From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 0:16: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9522837B422; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014346ACB9; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:45:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:45:32 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: John Baldwin Cc: Normand Leclerc , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Vinum status Message-ID: <20010408164532.D57695@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3ACE7248.3030402@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 11:45:55PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 7 April 2001 at 23:45:55 -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 07-Apr-01 Normand Leclerc wrote: >> This patch is working on an unknown release. I had to fix it to work >> on 4.3 BETA RC2... I have sent the corrected patch... > > My patch is against current, and it apparently doesn't apply cleanly to > RELENG_4. Was this the patch for the dev_t size mismatch? I've already committed a fix to -STABLE (since that's where people are testing things, and where we need as much testing as possible before release), and I'm sure it would apply to -CURRENT as well. It's a pity it's not the correct fix. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 5:18:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E80A37B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.45.238]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBH3IR03.LTH; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:18:27 -0400 Received: from videotron.ca (client40.quantum.net [192.168.56.40]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f38CIPfa013266; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:18:25 -0400 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ia64 is just like Alpha. int = 32 bits. long and pointers are 64 bit. Exactly. I can tell you Alpha has a lot of problems with this so IA64 will have them too. Many ports can't be compiled because pointer arithmetic are done in ints. I've seen messages from some kernel modules that pointers were changed for ints (this is fine up to a certain point) and I'm not sure if I didn't see any modules converting ints to pointers. Many ports are not working. Take dhcpd3 for example. I don't have any error compiling it but the thing keeps droping all my packets saying they have bogus length. I didn't have time to debug the port yet but this probably will be my next step as I need dynamic dns updates from dhcpd. I know that Compaq C++ (the very newly beta version) is supposed to give us control on pointer size but we would need this capability for C also. My biggest frustration was a piece of software called alliance. This is a package for building chip masks. This is a very powerful package but all pointer arithmetics are done in ints. It is an error to keep ints of 32 bits on 64 bits machine like it would have been an error on ia32 to keep ints of 16bits. (I come from a dos world...) Normand, lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 8:51:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9BD37B423 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f38FrqR38295 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:53:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:51:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: XFreee86 and PCI cards on Alphas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I have a Alphastation 255. It has a Number Nine Trio 32/64 PCI card installed. Do you think I should have problems running X ? thanks Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 8:56: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDBB37B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f38FtcJ56077; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:55:32 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Riccardo Veraldi Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFreee86 and PCI cards on Alphas Message-ID: <20010408085532.A55952@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it on Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:51:40PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:51:40PM +0200, Riccardo Veraldi wrote: > I have a Alphastation 255. > It has a Number Nine Trio 32/64 PCI card installed. > Do you think I should have problems running X ? Nope. X11 (XFree86 3.3.6) will run fine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 8:59:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C89937B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21466; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f38FwmE14819; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: trimyourccs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) In-Reply-To: <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tcn writes: > It is an error to keep ints of 32 bits on 64 bits machine like it > would have been an error on ia32 to keep ints of 16bits. (I come from a > dos world...) It is not an error. It is standard industry practice, every major vendor with a 64-bit platform follows lp64. Almost nobody chose ilp64. Go read http://www.opengroup.org/public/tech/aspen/lp64_wp.htm I think the pointer size manipulation you're referring to in Compaq's CXX is the old Tru64 taso (Truncated Address Space) trick where they use 32-bit pointers and make sure that the entire program's address space fits in 4G. This can indeed be useful to run old, buggy code like your aliance program. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 12:18:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk (iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk [130.209.240.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1A137B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neugebar@dcs.gla.ac.uk) Received: from therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.241.134] helo=therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk.dcs.gla.ac.uk) by iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14mKhh-0002zk-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:18:29 +0100 Received: by therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk.dcs.gla.ac.uk (8.11.2/Dumb) id f38JISO97340; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:18:28 +0100 (BST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> From: Rolf Neugebauer Date: 08 Apr 2001 20:18:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andrew Gallatin's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0805 (Gnus v5.8.5) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > tcn writes: > > It is an error to keep ints of 32 bits on 64 bits machine like it > > would have been an error on ia32 to keep ints of 16bits. (I come from a > > dos world...) > > It is not an error. It is standard industry practice, every major > vendor with a 64-bit platform follows lp64. Almost nobody chose > ilp64. Go read http://www.opengroup.org/public/tech/aspen/lp64_wp.htm > > I think the pointer size manipulation you're referring to in Compaq's > CXX is the old Tru64 taso (Truncated Address Space) trick where they > use 32-bit pointers and make sure that the entire program's address > space fits in 4G. This can indeed be useful to run old, buggy > code like your aliance program. taso actually is a linker option, ie independent of the compiler. There is also a version of the GNU ld which implements this flag. IIRC this is not (yet?) part of the standard binutils distro, but is in a separate Linux branch. I once installed it on an Alpha/Linux box but can't remember were I downloaded it from :( If people are interested, there was a discussion about this on the alpha linux mailing list a while back which I could dig out my archive. Rolf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 12:51:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A3137B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24131; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f38Joc515187; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15056.49422.725576.853296@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Rolf Neugebauer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) In-Reply-To: References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rolf Neugebauer writes: > > taso actually is a linker option, ie independent of the compiler. Ah, yes. I was actually thinking of this (Tru64) option: -xtaso_short Directs the compiler to allocate 32-bit pointers by default. You can still use 64-bit pointers, but only by the use of pragmas. The -xtaso_short option also implies -xtaso; that is, -xtaso_short also causes the compiler to respect the pointer_size pragmas. The use of the -xtaso_short option can cause conflicts between the compiler's assumptions about pointer sizes and data layouts and the default values that were in effect when the system libraries were created. See protect_headers_setup(8) for details on how to avoid this conflict. > There is also a version of the GNU ld which implements this flag. IIRC > this is not (yet?) part of the standard binutils distro, but is in a > separate Linux branch. I once installed it on an Alpha/Linux box but > can't remember were I downloaded it from :( Oh, That's interesting. I thought the Linux people were fundamentally opposed to this. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 12:55:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C7337B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22376; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:55:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Rolf Neugebauer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) In-Reply-To: <15056.49422.725576.853296@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to suggest that if 32 bit support is absolutely criticial for a 'port' that this be hidden under linux or osf1 compatibility mode. I'd really like to avoid seeing 'native' alpha-FreeBSD have to deal with this stuff. > > Rolf Neugebauer writes: > > > > taso actually is a linker option, ie independent of the compiler. > > Ah, yes. I was actually thinking of this (Tru64) option: > > -xtaso_short > Directs the compiler to allocate 32-bit pointers by default. You can > still use 64-bit pointers, but only by the use of pragmas. The > -xtaso_short option also implies -xtaso; that is, -xtaso_short also > causes the compiler to respect the pointer_size pragmas. > > The use of the -xtaso_short option can cause conflicts between the > compiler's assumptions about pointer sizes and data layouts and the > default values that were in effect when the system libraries were > created. See protect_headers_setup(8) for details on how to avoid this > conflict. > > > > There is also a version of the GNU ld which implements this flag. IIRC > > this is not (yet?) part of the standard binutils distro, but is in a > > separate Linux branch. I once installed it on an Alpha/Linux box but > > can't remember were I downloaded it from :( > > Oh, That's interesting. I thought the Linux people were fundamentally > opposed to this. > > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 22:30: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E258F37B42C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f395U1187896; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942F337B42C for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doug@dt051n37.san.rr.com) Received: (from doug@localhost) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31704; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doug) Message-Id: <200104090525.WAA31704@dt051n37.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: dougb@freebsd.org Reply-To: dougb@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: alpha/26450: paradroid is a dork Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26450 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: paradroid is a dork >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Apr 08 22:30:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug >Release: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE-0405 i386 >Organization: AAAG >Environment: All freebsd systems >Description: paradroid is a dork >How-To-Repeat: Listen to paradroid ask the same questions about gnats over and over again. >Fix: paradroid should close this PR, thereby answering all of his questions. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Apr 8 22:32:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93BB37B422; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from eric@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f395WdQ92135; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104090532.f395WdQ92135@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dougb@freebsd.org, eric@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/26450: paradroid is a dork Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: paradroid is a dork State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: eric State-Changed-When: Sun Apr 8 22:31:28 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: bah http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26450 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 0:37:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7827537B423 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f397daR43117 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:39:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:37:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: PALcode firmware Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I have a PALcode which I think is very early, dated the year of release of my AlphaStation 255. Do I have to upgrade the firmware console or may I keep the one I have ?? thanks Rick P.S. can I Eventually upgrade the firmware safely after I install FreeBSD ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 0:45:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D0F37B424 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14mWMx-00041r-00; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 07:45:51 +0000 To: Riccardo Veraldi , From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: PALcode firmware Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:45:51 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.74 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hello I have a PALcode which I think is very early, dated the year of > release of my AlphaStation 255. Do I have to upgrade the firmware console > or may I keep the one I have ?? In general it is advisable to keep reasonably current with your console firmware. Updates are created by Compaq engineering to fix problems etc. For Tru64 the SRM upgrades are mandatory in a lot of cases. > P.S. can I Eventually upgrade the firmware safely after I install FreeBSD ? Yes, you can Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 1: 6:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FB637B43C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3988RR43700; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:08:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:06:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Subject: Re: PALcode firmware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I apologize in advance for my stupid questio nbut I am really new to FreeBSD/Alpha. I was used to Digital Unix. the alpha porting on FreeBSD is totally a 64 bit porting like NetBSD/alpha ?? thanks Rick On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:45:51 GMT > From: Wilko Bulte > To: Riccardo Veraldi , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PALcode firmware > > > > > Hello I have a PALcode which I think is very early, dated the year of > > release of my AlphaStation 255. Do I have to upgrade the firmware console > > or may I keep the one I have ?? > > In general it is advisable to keep reasonably current with your console > firmware. Updates are created by Compaq engineering to fix problems etc. > For Tru64 the SRM upgrades are mandatory in a lot of cases. > > > P.S. can I Eventually upgrade the firmware safely after I install FreeBSD ? > > Yes, you can > > Wilko > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 1:15:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC2937B423 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14mWq2-000OQV-00; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:15:54 +0000 To: Riccardo Veraldi , Wilko Bulte , From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: PALcode firmware Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:15:54 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.74 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I apologize in advance for my stupid questio nbut I am really new to > FreeBSD/Alpha. These are not stupid questions! Please feel free to ask. I also recommend to read the HARDWARE.TXT file that comes on the FreeBSD/alpha CD (or on the FTP server or whatever). > I was used to Digital Unix. > the alpha porting on FreeBSD is totally a 64 bit porting like NetBSD/alpha ?? > thanks Yes, FreeBSD is 64 bit. > > Rick > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:45:51 GMT > > From: Wilko Bulte > > To: Riccardo Veraldi , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: PALcode firmware > > > > > > > > Hello I have a PALcode which I think is very early, dated the year of > > > release of my AlphaStation 255. Do I have to upgrade the firmware console > > > or may I keep the one I have ?? > > > > In general it is advisable to keep reasonably current with your console > > firmware. Updates are created by Compaq engineering to fix problems etc. > > For Tru64 the SRM upgrades are mandatory in a lot of cases. > > > > > P.S. can I Eventually upgrade the firmware safely after I install FreeBSD ? > > > > Yes, you can > > > > Wilko > > -- > > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > > http://www.nlfug.nl > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 3: 5:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552EC37B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f39A7vR46111; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:07:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:05:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Subject: Re: PALcode firmware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone knows the project name of the EV4 233 MHz alpha cpu mounted on AlphaStations 255 ?? is it "Mustang" like the alphastation 200 ?? thanks Rick On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:15:54 GMT > From: Wilko Bulte > To: Riccardo Veraldi , > Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: PALcode firmware > > > I apologize in advance for my stupid questio nbut I am really new to > > FreeBSD/Alpha. > > These are not stupid questions! Please feel free to ask. > > I also recommend to read the HARDWARE.TXT file that comes on the FreeBSD/alpha > CD (or on the FTP server or whatever). > > > I was used to Digital Unix. > > the alpha porting on FreeBSD is totally a 64 bit porting like NetBSD/alpha ?? > > thanks > > Yes, FreeBSD is 64 bit. > > > > > Rick > > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:45:51 GMT > > > From: Wilko Bulte > > > To: Riccardo Veraldi , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Re: PALcode firmware > > > > > > > > > > > Hello I have a PALcode which I think is very early, dated the year of > > > > release of my AlphaStation 255. Do I have to upgrade the firmware console > > > > or may I keep the one I have ?? > > > > > > In general it is advisable to keep reasonably current with your console > > > firmware. Updates are created by Compaq engineering to fix problems etc. > > > For Tru64 the SRM upgrades are mandatory in a lot of cases. > > > > > > > P.S. can I Eventually upgrade the firmware safely after I install FreeBSD ? > > > > > > Yes, you can > > > > > > Wilko > > > -- > > > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > > > http://www.nlfug.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 5:17: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk (iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk [130.209.240.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4887837B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 05:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neugebar@dcs.gla.ac.uk) Received: from therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.241.134] helo=therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk.dcs.gla.ac.uk) by iona.dcs.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14mabL-0004C5-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:17:00 +0100 Received: by therese.dcs.gla.ac.uk.dcs.gla.ac.uk (8.11.2/Dumb) id f39CGkN06555; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:16:46 +0100 (BST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15056.49422.725576.853296@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> From: Rolf Neugebauer Date: 09 Apr 2001 13:16:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andrew Gallatin's message of "Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 56 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0805 (Gnus v5.8.5) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > Rolf Neugebauer writes: > > > > taso actually is a linker option, ie independent of the compiler. > > Ah, yes. I was actually thinking of this (Tru64) option: > > -xtaso_short > Directs the compiler to allocate 32-bit pointers by default. You can > still use 64-bit pointers, but only by the use of pragmas. The > -xtaso_short option also implies -xtaso; that is, -xtaso_short also > causes the compiler to respect the pointer_size pragmas. > > The use of the -xtaso_short option can cause conflicts between the > compiler's assumptions about pointer sizes and data layouts and the > default values that were in effect when the system libraries were > created. See protect_headers_setup(8) for details on how to avoid this > conflict. > > > > There is also a version of the GNU ld which implements this flag. IIRC > > this is not (yet?) part of the standard binutils distro, but is in a > > separate Linux branch. I once installed it on an Alpha/Linux box but > > can't remember were I downloaded it from :( > > Oh, That's interesting. I thought the Linux people were fundamentally > opposed to this. I am not sure about this. Folks on the linux-axp certainly seam to appreciate it. Someone in our department briefly used it feature and said it worked fine for one of the apps he needed it for. The Linux binutils are on any kernel.org mirror under pub/linux/devel/binutils. The version I just checked is 2.11.90.0.4 and ld/ChangeLog contains the following comment: 2000-07-27 Ivan Kokshaysky * emulparams/elf64alpha.sh: Implement "-taso" emulation specific option to fit 64-bit executable in the lower 31-bit address range. This is done by changing start address of .interp (the very first section of executable) and then setting EF_ALPHA_32BIT elf header flag. Ivan explained in a recent posting http://www.alphalinux.org/archives/axp-list/December2000/0034.shtml that Richard Henderson came up with the initial idea and he implemented it. I vaguely recall that Richard posted this idea to the same list but I couldn't find his message. In the same post Ivan also says that the change made it into the official 2.10 binutils but I couldn't find taso being referenced in the 2.10.1 source anywhere. Rolf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 6: 9:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3000C37B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f39DBWR49382 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:09:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: osf emulation. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there someting in the ports collection to run osf binaries ? Application like Netscape can be borrowed from OSF binary ? thanks Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 6:20:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312BB37B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06593; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f39DJox16986; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:19:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15057.46838.136992.723330@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:19:50 -0400 (EDT) To: Riccardo Veraldi Cc: Subject: Re: osf emulation. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Riccardo Veraldi writes: > > Is there someting in the ports collection to run osf binaries ? > Application like Netscape can be borrowed from OSF binary ? Yes. You install osf1_base from /usr/ports/emulators and then install netscape from /usr/ports/www Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 10:34:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E185E37B424; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39HXNG22158; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010409102856.A80923@sunbay.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release Makefile Cc: "David E. O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Apr-01 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:54:56AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 07-Apr-01 Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >> > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 06:48:55PM -0700, David E. O'Brien wrote: >> >> obrien 2001/04/06 18:48:55 PDT >> >> >> >> Modified files: >> >> release Makefile >> >> Log: >> >> Blow away all the help files on the MFSROOT for the Alpha. >> >> Someone did something that really blew up the size of the crunchgen'ed >> >> sysinstall+friends. >> >> >> >> Revision Changes Path >> >> 1.605 +4 -1 src/release/Makefile >> >> >> > Don't the supposed floppy size on Alpha always was 2.88M? >> >> > uname -a >> FreeBSD baz.osd.bsdi.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #152: Thu Apr 5 >> 11:33:18 PDT 2001 root@baz.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BAZ alpha >> > dmesg | grep ^fd >> fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 >> fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 >> fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold >> fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >> ^^^^ >> >> I don't know about you, but even if I did have a 2.88 drive in my alpha, I >> would be hard pressed to find 2.88 disks to feed it. Is this why you bumped >> up >> the fixit_crunch.conf file recently on the alpha? If so, I'd ask that you >> back >> it back down to something that fits on a 1.44 floppy. >> > What I was talking about here is that I am not that "someone" :-) > But I then figured out (by looking at the actual diff David made), that > he was refering to the mfsroot.flp floppy, not the fixit one. > > As for the fixit floppy, I originally thought too that the generated size > for it on Alpha should also be 1.44M. I then checked that before my change > (release/fixit_crunch.conf, revision 1.28) the size of the generated crunched > binary for was greater than 1.44M. I wondered. And then saw this in > release/Makefile: > > .elif ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" > BOOTSIZE= 1440 > FIXITSIZE= 2880 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > MFSSIZE= 2880 > > Per CVS, this is dated back to 1998, release/Makefile revision 1.405. > > I then checked with > ftp.FreeBSD.org:/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/X.Y-RELEASE/floppies > too. I guess no one uses the fixit floppy on the alpha then. Either that or we need to possibly build two version of it, one that is a 1440 and one that is a 2880. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 14:13:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8F037B423 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.45.238]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GBJMYG05.91L for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:13:28 -0400 Received: from videotron.ca (client40.quantum.net [192.168.56.40]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f39LDRfa019210 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD225F6.7060201@videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:13:26 -0400 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15056.49422.725576.853296@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The Linux binutils are on any kernel.org mirror under > pub/linux/devel/binutils. The version I just checked is 2.11.90.0.4 > and ld/ChangeLog contains the following comment: Nice. Any chance of having a port for it? Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 14:15:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC7237B422; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22902; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAL0aOSS; Mon Apr 9 14:15:13 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29987; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:15:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200104092115.OAA29987@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: XFree86-4 on alpha To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, jmz@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010408012022.A60088@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> from "Christian Weisgerber" at Apr 08, 2001 01:20:22 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - The x11/XFree86-4 ports builds fine. > > - xdm still dumps core when queried by an X display. This means > you cannot use an alpha to manage X terminals, i.e. you cannot > log into an alpha from an X display. (Depending on individual > work habits that ranges from "huh?" to very bad.) You can use this workaround for xdm: sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_fix=1 sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_print=1 sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_sigbus=0 I assume that it's an unliagned access error that's causing the core dump. Since you have the core dump and the program source, it's trivial to do a backtrace and identify where the bad code lives, and fix it. The maintainer might not be able to reproduce the problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 14:18:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD7E37B424 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26421 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:18:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: recent changes? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -current recent changes appear to have broken interrupts (sigh) again on my pc164.... let's do a sanity check... can folsk check in with whether things work fine for them with the current top of tree and for which platform? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 14:52:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF1F37B42C for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19715; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f39Lpqq17878; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:51:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15058.12023.983560.920671@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:51:51 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent changes? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > -current > > recent changes appear to have broken interrupts (sigh) again on my > pc164.... let's do a sanity check... can folsk check in with whether things > work fine for them with the current top of tree and for which platform? Its probably just the pc164. A sable works fine with -current as of 4am (EDT) this morning. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 15: 4: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800FA37B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26624; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:04:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent changes? In-Reply-To: <15058.12023.983560.920671@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org False alarm- I had a corrupted device.hints file... :-( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 16:14:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A454537B422 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14mkrk-0007Qi-00; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:14:36 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f39MZDR28105 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:35:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: XFree86-4 on alpha Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9atdf0$rcn$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010408012022.A60088@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <200104092115.OAA29987@usr08.primenet.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > You can use this workaround for xdm: > > sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_fix=1 > sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_print=1 > sysctl -w machdep.unaligned_sigbus=0 Those are our defaults. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Apr 9 16:40:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E8637B424 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:40:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f39NeSE02202; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:40:27 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bits mixups (Was: Re: Vinum status) Message-ID: <20010409164027.B2155@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010408030913.213D1380A@overcee.netplex.com.au> <3AD05711.7000002@videotron.ca> <15056.35511.810402.576637@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15056.49422.725576.853296@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3AD225F6.7060201@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD225F6.7060201@videotron.ca>; from nospam@videotron.ca on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:13:26PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:13:26PM -0400, tcn wrote: > > The Linux binutils are on any kernel.org mirror under > > pub/linux/devel/binutils. The version I just checked is 2.11.90.0.4 > > and ld/ChangeLog contains the following comment: > > Nice. Any chance of having a port for it? Talk to binutils@sourceware.cygnus.com. When I get some breathing room, I'll most likely bring it up. But nothing is stopping others from getting involved too. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 0:28:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84CC37B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3A7V5R57971 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:28:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: X -probeonly core dumps, XFree problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a S3 Trio 64 based video card it is a Number Nine exactly, on AlphaStation 255. I was not able to configure X11 because I cannot run XF86Setup since the XF86_VGA16 server is not included in the X distribution very weird! So I had to use the script xf86config which really does not work very well. SuperProbe anyway crashes with a core dump and trying to fix the /etc/XF86Config file by hand it works but when the monitor changes resolution for the X11 server the screen stays black nothing happens and after a while the system HALTs!! and I Am back to the SRM console very weird! anyone could give me a little hint please?? thanks a lot!! Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 10:59: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E61737B422 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bifrost@minions.com) Received: from minions.com ([63.192.211.186]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GBJ00D0VDPGLH@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frond (bifrost@frond [63.192.211.186]) by minions.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39HrdN52857 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:53:39 -0700 (PDT envelope-from bifrost@minions.com) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Subject: DEC SCSI Card To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So I just bought a UP2000 system with the expectation that I could boot multiple OS'es with it. Well, DOH Tru64 doesn't support Adaptec SCSI, so I'm off to buy a DEC SCSI card. I was hoping that someone on the list might have an extra DEC PCI SCSI Card that I could buy before I tromped off and paid through the nose for one. Anyone got a spare? --- Tom bifrost@minions.com "Where am I and why am I in this handbasket?" Beat up a Spammer today - http://spamhaus.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 12:52:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.co.ru (mailhub.co.ru [194.85.128.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2966337B422 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwarrior@mail.ru) Received: from mw ([62.105.150.36]) by mailhub.co.ru (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3AJqo828964 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:52:50 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <004e01c0c1f7$d2a53860$2496693e@mw> From: "=?koi8-r?B?8MHXxcwg88XS0dDJzg==?=" To: Subject: TRU 64 package on FreeBSD/alpha! Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:52:43 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0C219.559E9100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0C219.559E9100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All! I got little problem. I need to install mail server on my Alpha which runnin FreeBSD 4.2. And i can't do it :( This is what my server answers when i try to install: > # pkg_add cgatepro-tru64-34bx.tar.gz > tar: +CONTENTS not found in archive > pkg_add: unable to open table of contents file '+CONTENTS' - not a = package? Help me please with it, or reccomend another Mail server program (this = is Communigate Pro for TRU 64/DEC OSF/1)! Very big thanks...... Pavel ICQ#53170803 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0C219.559E9100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All!
I got little problem.
I need to install mail server on my Alpha which = runnin FreeBSD=20 4.2.
And i can't do it :(
 
This is what my server answers when i try to=20 install:
> # = pkg_add=20 cgatepro-tru64-34bx.tar.gz
> tar: +CONTENTS not found in = archive
>=20 pkg_add: unable to open table of contents file '+CONTENTS' - not a=20 package?
Help me please with it, or = reccomend another=20 Mail server program (this is Communigate Pro for TRU 64/DEC = OSF/1)!
 
Very big=20 thanks......
 
Pavel
ICQ#53170803
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0C219.559E9100-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 12:59:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE437B63E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12973; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3AJx0V20393; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:59:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15059.26116.235738.638989@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:59:00 -0400 (EDT) To: "=?koi8-r?B?8MHXxcwg88XS0dDJzg==?=" Cc: Subject: Re: TRU 64 package on FreeBSD/alpha! In-Reply-To: <004e01c0c1f7$d2a53860$2496693e@mw> References: <004e01c0c1f7$d2a53860$2496693e@mw> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All! I got little problem. I need to install mail server on my Alpha which runnin FreeBSD 4.2. And i can't do it :( This is what my server answers when i try to install: > # pkg_add cgatepro-tru64-34bx.tar.gz > tar: +CONTENTS not found in archive > pkg_add: unable to open table of contents file '+CONTENTS' - not a = package? pkg_add is correct -- this is not a FreeBSD package. You need to untar it & install it manually. You'll almost certainly need the osf1_base port to be able to run this. I don't think anybody has run this particular app before. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 13:17:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF7D37B422 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3AKKcR69596 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:20:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:17:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: tar makes the kernel crash Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was doung a tar -xvf ports.tgz after a while the kernel crashes wit this message: /kernel: unexpected machine check: /kernel: panic: machine check then it dumps a few registers and the pid and name of the program comm=tar anyone have some idea what it could be due ?? thanks Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 13:19:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDF337B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13646; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3AKJMq20444; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15059.27338.671638.750689@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT) To: Riccardo Veraldi Cc: Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Riccardo Veraldi writes: > > I was doung a tar -xvf ports.tgz > > after a while the kernel crashes wit this message: > /kernel: unexpected machine check: > /kernel: panic: machine check > > then it dumps a few registers and the pid and name of the program > comm=tar > > anyone have some idea what it could be due ?? > thanks Typically, an unexpected machine check implies bad hardware. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 13:35:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE3337B43E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3AKZ7G66378 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Alpha woes.. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, my alpha deadlocked again during a -j 4 buildworld today. Unfortunately, my alpha began its life as a NT workstation (PWS 500a) so it's halt/reset button functions as a reset button, i.e. you punch it and the machine resets, rather than getting a useful SRM prompt at which to examine regs, etc. Anyways, I decided to pull the lid off and attempt to locate the jumper to change the behavior of the button to be more useful (i.e. to halt). After failing to locate it by any obvious means, I went to Compaq's disappointing web site to attempt to find docco on how to do this but was unsuccessful. If anyone has any idea on how to get these things to halt and not reboot, I would really appreciate it. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 13:45:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1C637B424; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14471; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3AKj8L20499; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15059.28884.541304.633317@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha woes.. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > Well, my alpha deadlocked again during a -j 4 buildworld today. Unfortunately, > my alpha began its life as a NT workstation (PWS 500a) so it's halt/reset > button functions as a reset button, i.e. you punch it and the machine resets, > rather than getting a useful SRM prompt at which to examine regs, etc. > Anyways, I decided to pull the lid off and attempt to locate the jumper to > change the behavior of the button to be more useful (i.e. to halt). After > failing to locate it by any obvious means, I went to Compaq's disappointing web > site to attempt to find docco on how to do this but was unsuccessful. If > anyone has any idea on how to get these things to halt and not reboot, I would > really appreciate it. If you have an MX5, then there's a tiny little halt button on the motherboard between the memory Dimms and the back panel at the very top of the machine. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 13:54: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from switch2.switchpwr.com (switch1.switchpwr.com [12.14.48.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8F137B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mel@switchpwr.com) Received: from switchpwr.com (switch1.switchpwr.com [12.14.48.19]) by switch2.switchpwr.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3AKj5D15941; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD3728A.6AD3D77@switchpwr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:52:27 +0000 From: mel kravitz Organization: switching power inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; NetBSD 1.5Q alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bifrost@minions.com, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: KZPBA-CX scsi cards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Supported Qlogic 1040B, DEC KZPBA-CX cards can be had for $125.00 from eric@odscorp.com -Mel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 15: 8: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B1E37B43E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3AM7HG70101; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15059.28884.541304.633317@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Alpha woes.. Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Apr-01 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > Well, my alpha deadlocked again during a -j 4 buildworld today. > Unfortunately, > > my alpha began its life as a NT workstation (PWS 500a) so it's halt/reset > > button functions as a reset button, i.e. you punch it and the machine > resets, > > rather than getting a useful SRM prompt at which to examine regs, etc. > > Anyways, I decided to pull the lid off and attempt to locate the jumper to > > change the behavior of the button to be more useful (i.e. to halt). After > > failing to locate it by any obvious means, I went to Compaq's > disappointing web > > site to attempt to find docco on how to do this but was unsuccessful. If > > anyone has any idea on how to get these things to halt and not reboot, I > would > > really appreciate it. > > If you have an MX5, then there's a tiny little halt button on the > motherboard between the memory Dimms and the back panel at the very > top of the machine. Hmm, I did see that little pushbutton there and had wondered about that. Of course, this means I need to leave the case off all the time now. :-P > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 15:17:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE0C37B71E; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16790; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3AMGbB20668; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:16:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15059.34373.51036.284910@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:16:37 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha woes.. In-Reply-To: References: <15059.28884.541304.633317@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > > Hmm, I did see that little pushbutton there and had wondered about that. Of > course, this means I need to leave the case off all the time now. :-P I could have sworn that you could wire the little front button to do it too, but I can't find any docs on that. Sorry, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 17:53:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4176E37B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3B0rFG76679 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Trap spiffiness Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I finally got tired of needing to pull out the brown book to decode trap messsages on the alpha, so I've coded up a patch that enhances the printtrap() function to parse the a[012] registers for a given trap and print out the data in a more meaningful fashion. For example: db> x/x 0 0: fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) faulting va = 0x0 type = access violation cause = load instruction pc = 0xfffffc0000585ac0 ra = 0xfffffc000033c1ec curproc = 0xfffffe000915ccc0 pid = 22, comm = intr: atkbd0 db> The patch can be found at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/trap.patch Any objections? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 18: 3: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD52F37B424; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19515; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3B12XE20926; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15059.44329.741264.193186@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trap spiffiness In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > I finally got tired of needing to pull out the brown book to decode trap > messsages on the alpha, so I've coded up a patch that enhances the printtrap() > function to parse the a[012] registers for a given trap and print out the data > in a more meaningful fashion. For example: > Gee.. Just when I'd finally gotten them memorized ;) I like the patch, I'm all in favor of you comitting it. I think it might be interesting to see the user stack pointer (for emulator debugging) and to have an #ifdef SMP that printed out the cpu number too. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 18:34: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0715737B424 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3B1XIG78060; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15059.44329.741264.193186@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Trap spiffiness Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Apr-01 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > I finally got tired of needing to pull out the brown book to decode trap > > messsages on the alpha, so I've coded up a patch that enhances the > printtrap() > > function to parse the a[012] registers for a given trap and print out the > data > > in a more meaningful fashion. For example: > > > > Gee.. Just when I'd finally gotten them memorized ;) > > I like the patch, I'm all in favor of you comitting it. > I think it might be interesting to see the user stack pointer (for > emulator debugging) and to have an #ifdef SMP that printed out the > cpu number too. Ok, will do. > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 18:58:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9721337B422; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14n9u1-000Kh3-00; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:58:37 +0000 To: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Alpha woes.. Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:58:37 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.71 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can probably find out for you when I'm back home / in the office. That won't happen until this weekend at best. Count on sometime next week and feel free to ping me if I forget ;) Wilko from a rainy Hong Kong. > > John Baldwin writes: > > > > Hmm, I did see that little pushbutton there and had wondered about that. Of > > course, this means I need to leave the case off all the time now. :-P > > I could have sworn that you could wire the little front button to do > it too, but I can't find any docs on that. > > Sorry, > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Apr 10 18:59:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452DD37B422; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3B1xEG78707; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: Trap spiffiness Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Andrew Gallatin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Apr-01 John Baldwin wrote: > > On 11-Apr-01 Andrew Gallatin wrote: >> >> John Baldwin writes: >> > I finally got tired of needing to pull out the brown book to decode trap >> > messsages on the alpha, so I've coded up a patch that enhances the >> printtrap() >> > function to parse the a[012] registers for a given trap and print out the >> data >> > in a more meaningful fashion. For example: >> > >> >> Gee.. Just when I'd finally gotten them memorized ;) >> >> I like the patch, I'm all in favor of you comitting it. >> I think it might be interesting to see the user stack pointer (for >> emulator debugging) and to have an #ifdef SMP that printed out the >> cpu number too. > > Ok, will do. Just updated trap.patch. It prints out the cpuid, the kernel stack pointer, and for non-kthreads the user stack pointer now. On a somewhat related note, 64-bit kernel addresses really screw up the output of things like 'ps'. Would there be any large objection to dropping the first 5 'f's, the first three '0's from kernel pointers in ps output? Thus, instead of: fffffe000915e9c0 fffffc0000790000 you would get: e915e9c0 c0790000 etc. Granted, this is somewhat cryptic, but it would make ps work halfway decent. :-P >> Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 0: 4:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0914C37B423 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3B77DR73100; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:04:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash In-Reply-To: <15059.27338.671638.750689@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You mean it could be RAM or Disk or whatever ? I Actually changed the RZ26 original Quantum disk with a IBM DNES 18Gb, but everything seems to work fine with the disk which is really also very fast. thanks Rick On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andrew Gallatin > To: Riccardo Veraldi > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash > > > Riccardo Veraldi writes: > > > > I was doung a tar -xvf ports.tgz > > > > after a while the kernel crashes wit this message: > > /kernel: unexpected machine check: > > /kernel: panic: machine check > > > > then it dumps a few registers and the pid and name of the program > > comm=tar > > > > anyone have some idea what it could be due ?? > > thanks > > Typically, an unexpected machine check implies bad hardware. > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 0:19:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8767F37B422 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nEum-0000t8-00; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:19:44 +0000 To: Riccardo Veraldi , Andrew Gallatin , From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:19:44 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.72 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You mean it could be RAM or Disk or whatever ? Yes, bad RAM, CPU, overheating or something like that can cause a machine check. ECC on the memory can do a lot to avoid crashes, but sometimes you get a machinecheck anyway. How about cleaning the machine (dust is bad for cooling) & reseating the memory? I cannot tell from here, but it has fixed problems for me in the past. Wilko > I Actually changed the RZ26 original Quantum disk with a > IBM DNES 18Gb, but everything seems to work fine with the disk which is > really also very fast. > > thanks > > Rick > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Andrew Gallatin > > To: Riccardo Veraldi > > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash > > > > > > Riccardo Veraldi writes: > > > > > > I was doung a tar -xvf ports.tgz > > > > > > after a while the kernel crashes wit this message: > > > /kernel: unexpected machine check: > > > /kernel: panic: machine check > > > > > > then it dumps a few registers and the pid and name of the program > > > comm=tar > > > > > > anyone have some idea what it could be due ?? > > > thanks > > > > Typically, an unexpected machine check implies bad hardware. > > > > Drew > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 1:48:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7A537B422 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3B8p4R74721; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:48:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I actually cleaned it really a lot because it was full of dust. How do I make a reseat of the memory ?? I did not found any useful SRM utility instead on the VAXstation there is a cool PROM utility to test memory (test mem). I have a good experience of NetBSD/VAX but I do not have experience of FreeBSD/alpha, I have just been looking around for a good OS for my AlphaStation and excluding Linux at priori I have tryed NetBSD/alpha first and then I Switched to FreeBSD/alpha. I have not even tryed OpenBSD/alpha they don't even support ELF and LKM and shared libraries. Anyway my big problem for now is really the Xfree86 I am unable to make it work. And everytime I try to launch X it makes the kernel crash, the system complitely hangs and I have to manual power cycle it. I was thinking to mount the AlphaStation PCI card on a PC, configure it there and compy back on my AlphaStation the XF86Config file. My big problem is that XF86Setup does not work because it requres XF86_VGA16 which is not included in the XF86336 distribution on the CDROM!! I even tried to rebuild the Xfree86 compiling from the source tree but I do not know why XF86_VGA16 is not built! thanks Rick On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:19:44 GMT > From: Wilko Bulte > To: Riccardo Veraldi , > Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash > > > > You mean it could be RAM or Disk or whatever ? > > Yes, bad RAM, CPU, overheating or something like that can cause a > machine check. > > ECC on the memory can do a lot to avoid crashes, but sometimes you get > a machinecheck anyway. > > How about cleaning the machine (dust is bad for cooling) & reseating > the memory? I cannot tell from here, but it has fixed problems for me > in the past. > > Wilko > > > I Actually changed the RZ26 original Quantum disk with a > > IBM DNES 18Gb, but everything seems to work fine with the disk which is > > really also very fast. > > > > thanks > > > > Rick > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Andrew Gallatin > > > To: Riccardo Veraldi > > > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: Re: tar makes the kernel crash > > > > > > > > > Riccardo Veraldi writes: > > > > > > > > I was doung a tar -xvf ports.tgz > > > > > > > > after a while the kernel crashes wit this message: > > > > /kernel: unexpected machine check: > > > > /kernel: panic: machine check > > > > > > > > then it dumps a few registers and the pid and name of the program > > > > comm=tar > > > > > > > > anyone have some idea what it could be due ?? > > > > thanks > > > > > > Typically, an unexpected machine check implies bad hardware. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 12: 1:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8939237B423 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 19188 invoked by uid 962); 11 Apr 2001 19:01:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 19:01:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:01:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RC XP1000 In-Reply-To: <20010406150856.A374@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just for the sake of finishing on a happy note this machine had a few year old firmware on it from 1998ish, put a 2000ish firmware update I have laying around on it and it goes. Thanks for your help, I'll be back when it comes time to try and make the fancy compaq computer work :) you have been warned :) On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:25:55AM -0500, Chris Casey wrote: > > For what its worth, the 4.3-RC iso gets all the way to a blue screen when > > you would expect to get the installation menu and then stops. > > What does SRM think your console type is? > > >>> show console > > make sure SRM agrees with your beliefs. > Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 13:13:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E40437B424 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04517 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:13:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This might be worth noting somewhere.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:21:58 -0400 From: Jay Estabrook Reply-To: axp-list@redhat.com To: axp-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:22:27PM -0500, Hoover, Tony wrote: > > If AlphaBIOS/MILO is working for you, use it. Just because RedHat no longer > "supports" it doesn't mean that it no longer works. You may have to roll-your-own kernel boot command WRT flags and devices, but AFAIK, the install kernel that RH uses is GENERIC, so it should work from MILO, assuming the MILO is recent enough. [NOTE: by "recent enough", I mean that the MILO is known to be able to boot a recent kernel that was NOT configured to be built at the "legacy start address".] > However if you are wanting to switch to SRM/aboot, you will have to > get rid of the Adaptec. Only if you require booting from the Adaptec. Here's a guide for the SRM consoles that will support Adaptec for boot devices: 1. LX and SX with 5.8 firmware (their last) 2. DS10/DS20/ES40/XP1000 with 5.9 firmware (their latest) If your machine is not in this list, assume its SRM will NOT work with Adaptec for boot devices. --Jay++ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay A Estabrook Alpha Engineering - LINUX Project Compaq Computer Corp. - MRO1-2/K20 (508) 467-2080 200 Forest Street, Marlboro MA 01752 Jay.Estabrook@compaq.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Axp-list mailing list Axp-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 13:17:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C166637B422 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09508; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3BKH3c23158; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15060.48063.119868.802783@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:17:03 -0400 (EDT) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > > > This might be worth noting somewhere.... <...> > Here's a guide for the SRM consoles that will support Adaptec for boot > devices: > > 1. LX and SX with 5.8 firmware (their last) > 2. DS10/DS20/ES40/XP1000 with 5.9 firmware (their latest) > > If your machine is not in this list, assume its SRM will NOT work with > Adaptec for boot devices. As well as the UP1x00 and UP2000 motherboards from API Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 19: 4:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AD237B443 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nWSx-0004Wv-00; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:04:11 +0000 To: mjacob@feral.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW (fwd) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:04:11 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.75 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > This might be worth noting somewhere.... I'll update HARDWARE.TXT when I return home from HongKong. Hopefully this weekend I'll have time Wilko > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:21:58 -0400 > From: Jay Estabrook > Reply-To: axp-list@redhat.com > To: axp-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:22:27PM -0500, Hoover, Tony wrote: > > > > If AlphaBIOS/MILO is working for you, use it. Just because RedHat no longer > > "supports" it doesn't mean that it no longer works. > > You may have to roll-your-own kernel boot command WRT flags and > devices, but AFAIK, the install kernel that RH uses is GENERIC, so it > should work from MILO, assuming the MILO is recent enough. > > [NOTE: by "recent enough", I mean that the MILO is known to be able to > boot a recent kernel that was NOT configured to be built at the "legacy > start address".] > > > However if you are wanting to switch to SRM/aboot, you will have to > > get rid of the Adaptec. > > Only if you require booting from the Adaptec. > > Here's a guide for the SRM consoles that will support Adaptec for boot > devices: > > 1. LX and SX with 5.8 firmware (their last) > 2. DS10/DS20/ES40/XP1000 with 5.9 firmware (their latest) > > If your machine is not in this list, assume its SRM will NOT work with > Adaptec for boot devices. > > --Jay++ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jay A Estabrook Alpha Engineering - LINUX Project > Compaq Computer Corp. - MRO1-2/K20 (508) 467-2080 > 200 Forest Street, Marlboro MA 01752 Jay.Estabrook@compaq.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Axp-list mailing list > Axp-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/axp-list > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Apr 11 19:14:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2534137B43F for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14nWcy-0005xo-00; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:14:32 +0000 To: Andrew Gallatin , mjacob@feral.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Alpha PC164, SRM, and Adaptec 2940UW (fwd) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:14:32 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.75 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > 1. LX and SX with 5.8 firmware (their last) > > 2. DS10/DS20/ES40/XP1000 with 5.9 firmware (their latest) Does that mean that the embedded Adaptec chips on the DS20 now finally also work with SRM 5.9? Time to upgrade the DS20 at work I guess. But I don't have time to do that before 4.3R. So if someone has a DS20 please try!!?? Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 0:21:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462D437B43F for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3C7OjR87117 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:21:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: Interested in your opinion "machine check" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am very interested to know your useful and precious opinion. I have a AS 255/233MHz. I Removed the original rz26 SCSI2 Quantum disk and I installed a IBM DNES 318350 18GB Ultra Wide SCSI 2 Disk. The host adapter sym0 interface is a SCSI2 and I had to buy a Internal SCSI adapter to attach my SCSI3 disk plug to the SCSI2 AlphaStation SCSI interface. The adapter is a 50 pin SCSI2 male -> 68 pind SCSI3 female. AT first everything seemed to work fine. The disk is also very fast!! But I started having problems doing: tar -xzf ports.tar.gz pkg_add gnome* The system crashes with a machine check error when I use the disk very heavily. At the end I did myself a program in C which creates random BIG files and copy the files across the file system. As well the system crashed also with cp coying large files (more than 50MB). So I started thinking the problem is a DISK problem, but I do not know what the problem exactly can be. I used the same disk on OLD machines like VAXstation 4000/90 and VAXstation 4000/60. The Disk size (18GB) must not be an issue in this case. FreeBSD considers the disk as a Direct Access drive. Anyway I have 'machine check' when I make heavy operation on the disk. The crashes anyway are not predictable, they just happen by chance but often if I use the disk heavily. Sometimes only one pkg_add is enough anyway to make everything crash. My system also crashes (without a machine check) when I start X11 sometimes. In this case I had an error related to sym0 and to the da0 disk cache... so I suspect it is always because of my SCSI3 disk. Do u think that the problem could be solved if I change disk ??? The problem is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to find SCSI2 disks nowdays and all the disks are Ultra160 LVD. Anyway I have a 8GB U160 LVD on a VAXstation and it never gave me problems... Could this problem be due to a too much old SRM console ???? my SRM console is from Auhust 1996 perhaps it is too old... Could it be an incompatibility betwwen the sym0 FreeBSD scsi driver and the Disk ? I have to say I did not have this porblem installing NetBSD and doing many pkg_add. Any suggestions hints and opinions, even flames are very welcome since I don't really know how to fix this problem!! thanks Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 1: 0:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A1D37B440 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id QAA01277; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:59:57 +0900 Message-Id: <200104120759.QAA01277@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: Riccardo Veraldi Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:21:35 +0200." Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:59:57 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I do not know much about AS250/233. I once had similar kernel messages on one of alphapc164 or pc164lx boxes, if my memory serves me right; it took place when I added SIMMs or DIMMs to all banks. What I did then was to replace the power unit to a bigger one. I do not know if this helps much in your case. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 1:22:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DA637B440 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3C8PdR88166; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:22:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-Reply-To: <200104120759.QAA01277@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did u have too simptoms like machine check while u are heavily accessiong the disk ? I actually did A LOT of compilation work withotu haveing heavily disk access and nothing happened. So I think it's not the RAM in my case but maybe I am wrong thanks really for your comment Rick On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:59:57 +0000 > From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI > To: Riccardo Veraldi > Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" > > > I do not know much about AS250/233. > I once had similar kernel messages on one of alphapc164 or > pc164lx boxes, if my memory serves me right; it took place when > I added SIMMs or DIMMs to all banks. > What I did then was to replace the power unit to a bigger one. > I do not know if this helps much in your case. > > Yoriaki Fujimori > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 1:48:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3B37B42C for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2BLTK>; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B33@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Riccardo Veraldi' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Riccardo, > > I actually did A LOT of compilation work withotu haveing heavily disk > access and nothing happened. So I think it's not the RAM in > my case but maybe I am wrong > Well, if this is actually a PSU problem, the disk I/O may well be causing supply dips that causes the RAM to barf. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 3: 4:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D8037B424 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3CA7UR90357; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:04:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B33@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a very intelligent point of view which I have not been thinking about untill now.... mhmmm but anyway the power supply is 250W ... I guess anyway where I could find such power supply to change it, they must be something like DEC specific... I Also looked the power supply plugs and they does not look either ATX or AT style. They look like a double AT style plug they are actually 2 couples of plugs on the motherboard. thanks! Rick On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Koster, K.J. wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:48:09 +0100 > From: "Koster, K.J." > To: 'Riccardo Veraldi' > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" > > Dear Riccardo, > > > > > I actually did A LOT of compilation work withotu haveing heavily disk > > access and nothing happened. So I think it's not the RAM in > > my case but maybe I am wrong > > > Well, if this is actually a PSU problem, the disk I/O may well be causing > supply dips that causes the RAM to barf. > > Kees Jan > > ================================================ > You are only young once, > but you can stay immature all your life. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 3:14:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B996437B43E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id TAA01537; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:14:12 +0900 Message-Id: <200104121014.TAA01537@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: Riccardo Veraldi Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:04:18 +0200." Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:14:12 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a usual everyday use, 250W power supply should be enough, I guess. The point is the diffenrece between powers drawn by Quantum's old harddisk drive of yours and IBM's new one. I looked at data of AS 255/233 and I guess it is difficult to find a new power supply for that. Another thing you can probably try is to connect your new scsi disks to AS's external scsi connector, if you have got an appropriate case or the likes for that. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 3:39:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551CA37B42C for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3CAgVR91041; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:39:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-Reply-To: <200104121014.TAA01537@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes it's a good idea... I could try to feed the disk with an extern power supply. Anyway I not only have a HD, there is also the CDrom which sucks on the power supply of my AS 255. thanks Rick On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:14:12 +0000 > From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI > To: Riccardo Veraldi > Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Interested in your opinion "machine check" > > > In a usual everyday use, 250W power supply should be enough, I guess. > The point is the diffenrece between powers drawn by Quantum's old harddisk > drive of yours and IBM's new one. > I looked at data of AS 255/233 and I guess it is difficult to find a > new power supply for that. > Another thing you can probably try is to connect your new scsi disks > to AS's external scsi connector, if you have got an appropriate > case or the likes for that. > > Yoriaki Fujimori > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 3:55:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE1B37B440 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2BM46>; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:55:52 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B38@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Riccardo Veraldi' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:55:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Riccardo, > > Yes it's a good idea... I could try to feed the disk with an > extern power > supply. Anyway I not only have a HD, there is also the CDrom > which sucks on the power supply of my AS 255. > Well, you could simply unplug the cdrom and other unused stuff from the machine and see if that helps. I double an idle cdrom drive is going to draw a noticeable amount of power, though. Have you tried removing and replacing the RAM, as Wilko suggested earlier? If the contacts are very dirty you can carefully clean them with a glass fibre brush. Watch for static electricity, though. :-) You may want to do the same with the cache chips, if they're DIP format. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Apr 12 4:12:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6715D37B422 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 04:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3CBFsR91666; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:15:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:12:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B38@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes I removed and reinstalled the ram modules. But I do not know where the cache chips are really localted. Actually the AS compiled the XFree source during all the day and nothing happened (no that much big disk spinning). I came back home and start using tar and pkg_add and it crashed... The compilation test is more meaningfull for eventually ram problems. I Am concerned it must be something wrong with the Disk, or the disk having some strange influence on the power supply as you suggested me. I will look better at the power supply when I go home. Thanks for your precious considerations! bye Rick On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Koster, K.J. wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:55:50 +0100 > From: "Koster, K.J." > To: 'Riccardo Veraldi' > Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Interested in your opinion "machine check" > > Dear Riccardo, > > > > > Yes it's a good idea... I could try to feed the disk with an > > extern power > > supply. Anyway I not only have a HD, there is also the CDrom > > which sucks on the power supply of my AS 255. > > > Well, you could simply unplug the cdrom and other unused stuff from the > machine and see if that helps. > > I double an idle cdrom drive is going to draw a noticeable amount of power, > though. > > Have you tried removing and replacing the RAM, as Wilko suggested earlier? > If the contacts are very dirty you can carefully clean them with a glass > fibre brush. Watch for static electricity, though. :-) > > You may want to do the same with the cache chips, if they're DIP format. > > Kees Jan > > ================================================ > You are only young once, > but you can stay immature all your life. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 4: 8:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E0437B43E for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from nikita.fi.infn.it (nikita.fi.infn.it [192.84.146.189]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3DB8hR06460 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:08:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo Veraldi X-Sender: To: Subject: Xfree86 screen messed up. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I changed video board and removed the S3 and replaced with a Matrox Millennium II on my AlphaStation 255/233MHz Now X11 works. I mean it starts... the problem is that the screen is completely messed. It does not refresh the windows and I have to manually refresh the screen all the time. If you open a program like xv the images are not showed unless you explicity make a manual refresh or hide the xv windows with an other window and then expose it. It really is messy and unusable. Anyone had this problem ?? I am using XFree86 3.3.6 from the standard FreeBSD distribution. Thanks! Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 5: 4:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.159.1.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C132B37B449 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA47026 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:04:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:04:45 +0100 From: Geoff Buckingham To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Message-ID: <20010413130445.A46974@chuggalug.clues.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First let me say I was amazed at the improvements since I last looked at the alpha port before my multia died. However installing from the ISO on the graphics console of an AXPpci33 using an S3 virge card. I was unable to do a network install with RC2 as I only had an fxp card and a DE 201 lying around. The fxp seem to have a slight variation of... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24177 which I assume is fixed in CURRENT. The DE 201 isn't supported in the GENERIC kernel (is this down to space?) Installing from the CD, doing a 'standard' install allowing the installer to do the partitioning, but with softupdates on, on /,usr and var. I choose a 'X-developer' install, all went well except the main screen complained it was unable to install the Xset distribution. The debug screen had a cpio error 'premature end of archive' The Xfree86 config produced from the scripts was a failure as it used the SVGA driver, which produced a corrupted display, and corrupted the console once it had exited. The s3v driver worked fine, but also corrupts the console on exit. This all seems to have been recorded before, can I suggest something like: http://moon.hanya-n.org/comp/alpha/hct/graphics.html to help people figure out if they can get X working on their hardware. As I am suggesting it I will volunteer to do it if people think it would be useful. -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 6: 2: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E37837B440 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2BTFJ>; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:02:00 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B3C@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list' Subject: Re: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:01:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Geoff, > > I was unable to do a network install with RC2 as I only had > an fxp card > and a DE 201 lying around. The fxp seem to have a slight > variation of... > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24177 > > which I assume is fixed in CURRENT. > You have to set the variables explicitly during the installation. Boot from the floppy, interrupt at the point where the loader threatens to boot the kernel in 9..8..7.. and type something like: set fxp_iomap=1 (forgot the exact syntax, and the box is off at the moment). After the install you can set this in loader.rc. The problem is that this issue is limited to lower end Alpha boxes and the option limits the performance of the fxp card. That's why it's not enabled by default. If course, someone could code it to retry the probe if a bogus MAC address turns up, but the symptoms (MAC ff:ff:...) cannot be relied upon to be identical from box to box, so a reprobe would be yucky by design. Effort is best focused elsewhere. In short: set the flag and you can do a network install. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 6:53: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.159.1.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A2337B446 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA47212; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:53:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:53:02 +0100 From: Geoff Buckingham To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Message-ID: <20010413145302.A47184@chuggalug.clues.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B3B@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B3B@l04.research.kpn.com>; from Koster, K.J. on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:01:29PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 03:01:29PM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > Dear Geoff, > > > > > I was unable to do a network install with RC2 as I only had > > an fxp card > > and a DE 201 lying around. The fxp seem to have a slight > > variation of... > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24177 > > > > which I assume is fixed in CURRENT. > > > You have to set the variables explicitly during the installation. Boot from > the floppy, interrupt at the point where the loader threatens to boot the > kernel in 9..8..7.. and type something like: set fxp_iomap=1 (forgot the > exact syntax, and the box is off at the moment). After the install you can > set this in loader.rc. > > The problem is that this issue is limited to lower end Alpha boxes and the > option limits the performance of the fxp card. That's why it's not enabled > by default. > > If course, someone could code it to retry the probe if a bogus MAC address > turns up, but the symptoms (MAC ff:ff:...) cannot be relied upon to be > identical from box to box, so a reprobe would be yucky by design. Effort is > best focused elsewhere. > > In short: set the flag and you can do a network install. > I had understood from my reading of the CVS that this hadn't got back to the RELENG_4 branch yet. I could be wrong. PS obviously this is about 4.3rc2, one day I will learc to tpye :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 8: 7:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BD7437B507 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 20532 invoked by uid 962); 13 Apr 2001 15:07:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 15:07:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:07:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is any one using the compaq fortran sucessfully? I see the C compiler is in the ports tree, and at one time had the fortran compiler mostly working the last time I got a chance to mess with these machines. I'm not having much luck getting linux_base built on the 4.3-RC2 and a buildworld from a cvsup'd CURRENT wants a different libc (5) than what i have (4). So is there a good course of action to follow to get things straight or should i give up and take a nap? I'm impressed with the changes since 4.1 when i last tried this, things are looking good keep up the good work. Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 8:17: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6B037B423 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15017; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3DFGQ127516; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15063.6218.745676.478714@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Casey Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Casey writes: > > > Is any one using the compaq fortran sucessfully? I see the C compiler is > in the ports tree, and at one time had the fortran compiler mostly working > the last time I got a chance to mess with these machines. I'm not having No.. If you get it (mostly) working again, please make a port, or pass your changes on in some other way so that people can pick up where you've left off. > much luck getting linux_base built on the 4.3-RC2 and a buildworld from a Can you be more explicit, please? Eg, what exact problem are you seeing? > cvsup'd CURRENT wants a different libc (5) than what i have (4). So is I'm not sure I follow this either. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 8:36: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D692D37B446 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id AAA07756; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:35:51 +0900 Message-Id: <200104131535.AAA07756@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: Chris Casey Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:07:45 EST." Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:35:51 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I do not know how many things you would like to realize at one time. Just my small experience. Compaq's fortran for Linux/Alpha can create Linux binaries on FreeBSD/Alpha with linux-emulator. I have compiled many numerical analysis programmes with Compaq's fortran. Meanwhile, Compaq's ccc is merged(?) in FreeBSD4.3RC2 and it creates FreeBSD native binaries, but the fortran kit does not speak FreeBSD yet. So, you can not use the fortran kit for buildworld. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 8:49:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D003F37B446 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 20618 invoked by uid 962); 13 Apr 2001 15:49:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 15:49:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:49:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: <200104131535.AAA07756@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for not pasting my compile errors in the previous mail, they were long gone. Things are churning again and will post them when they reappear. The hope was to run the compaq fortran under the linux emulator, but I had the port bomb out during the libtool build. So there seems to be some hope for the fortran/linux_base combination. The last time I had a fbsd system up here with 4.1 the linux binaries compiled on redhat with the compaq compiler were faster than on linux. This got me the OK to try and make a complete useable system but I was not able to get the compiler to build everything due to some odd path problems in time so back to redhat it went. I know absolutly nothing about fortran, all the theorists here use it so that is the primary concern and what all this hinges on. They are not happy with the problems linux is giving them locking up the consoles all the time and the sticker shock of Tru64 is pretty bad. Thanks On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > > I do not know how many things you would like to realize at one time. > > Just my small experience. Compaq's fortran for Linux/Alpha can create > Linux binaries on FreeBSD/Alpha with linux-emulator. I have compiled > many numerical analysis programmes with Compaq's fortran. > > Meanwhile, Compaq's ccc is merged(?) in FreeBSD4.3RC2 and it creates > FreeBSD native binaries, but the fortran kit does not speak FreeBSD yet. > So, you can not use the fortran kit for buildworld. > > Yoriaki Fujimori > Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 10:35:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.phx.gblx.net (smtp10.phx.gblx.net [206.165.6.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F57237B50C for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp10.phx.gblx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18488; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:35:08 -0700 Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp10.phx.gblx.net, id smtpdrskPUa; Fri Apr 13 10:35:00 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13886; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:37:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200104131737.KAA13886@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Xfree86 screen messed up. To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it (Riccardo Veraldi) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:37:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Riccardo Veraldi" at Apr 13, 2001 01:08:43 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I changed video board and removed the S3 and replaced with a Matrox > Millennium II on my AlphaStation 255/233MHz > > Now X11 works. I mean it starts... > the problem is that the screen is completely messed. > It does not refresh the windows and I have to manually refresh the screen > all the time. If you open a program like xv the images are not showed > unless you explicity make a manual refresh or hide the xv windows with an > other window and then expose it. > It really is messy and unusable. Anyone had this problem ?? > I am using XFree86 3.3.6 from the standard FreeBSD distribution. Go into your config, and disable all acceleration. If this fixes you, enable acceleration one at a time, until it breaks again; disable that one, and go on to the next, until you have all non-broken aceleration enabled. You are probably running a slightly newer chip, and trying to do it with the older driver (e.g. you aren't running XFree86 4.x). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 10:53:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6272C37B422 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 21569 invoked by uid 962); 13 Apr 2001 17:53:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 17:53:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: <15063.6218.745676.478714@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org here is what I get now, the previous problems was a date issue: ===> Installing for linux_base-6.1 Linux mode is not enabled. Loading linux kernel module now... kldload: can't load linux: No such file or directory The linux kernel module could not be loaded. Please enable linux mode manually and retry. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base. chriss@ctest1:/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base> Apr 13 12:45:33 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined Apr 13 12:45:33 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined chriss@ctest1:/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base> linux kldload: can't load linux: No such file or directory chriss@ctest1:/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base> ls -l /modules/linux.ko -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 144586 Mar 30 18:30 /modules/linux.ko chriss@ctest1:/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base> Apr 13 12:48:03 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined Apr 13 12:48:03 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined *snip* so thats where I am now. I dont get the kernel messages until kldload is messed with. is this familiar? Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 11: 6:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 800F837B509 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 21639 invoked by uid 962); 13 Apr 2001 18:06:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 18:06:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:06:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: <15063.6218.745676.478714@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org that was 4.3-RC2 Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 11:16:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA937B505 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19299; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3DIG4f27957; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:16:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15063.16996.224279.872930@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:16:04 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Casey Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: References: <15063.6218.745676.478714@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Casey writes: > Apr 13 12:48:03 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined > Apr 13 12:48:03 ctest1 /kernel: link_elf: symbol osf1_wait4 undefined The linux abi depends on the osf/1 abi. Load osf1 and you'll be all set. Eg, "kldload osf1" now, and put osf1_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Apr 13 11:27: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from schottky.phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93ECE37B423 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chriss@phys.ksu.edu) Received: (qmail 21682 invoked by uid 962); 13 Apr 2001 18:27:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 18:27:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:27:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux/buildworld/compaq fortran In-Reply-To: <15063.16996.224279.872930@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, thats the tidbit i needed and now the linux module loads without complaint. Learning more every time I mess with these things. Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 14 1: 4:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55037B43F for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3E84n033082; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:04:43 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Message-ID: <20010414010443.A31906@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010413130445.A46974@chuggalug.clues.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010413130445.A46974@chuggalug.clues.com>; from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com on Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:04:45PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:04:45PM +0100, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > The DE 201 isn't supported in the GENERIC kernel (is this down to space?) I have no clue with this card is. Can you describe it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 14 1:11:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514AE37B509; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14oL9C-0006fp-00; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:11:11 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3E8EeU07101; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:14:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:14:40 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Geoff Buckingham , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Message-ID: <20010414101440.A7087@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20010413130445.A46974@chuggalug.clues.com> <20010414010443.A31906@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010414010443.A31906@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 01:04:43AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 01:04:43AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:04:45PM +0100, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > The DE 201 isn't supported in the GENERIC kernel (is this down to space?) > > I have no clue with this card is. Can you describe it? A DEC ethernet card, ISA bus. There were/are(?) driver problems, it is either le or ln IIRC. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte FreeBSD/alpha Powered http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Apr 14 2:58:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.159.1.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488A637B43E; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA51185; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:58:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:58:14 +0100 From: Geoff Buckingham To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing from 3.4rc2 ISO Message-ID: <20010414105814.A51147@chuggalug.clues.com> References: <20010413130445.A46974@chuggalug.clues.com> <20010414010443.A31906@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010414101440.A7087@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20010414101440.A7087@freebie.demon.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 10:14:40AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 10:14:40AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 01:04:43AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:04:45PM +0100, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > > The DE 201 isn't supported in the GENERIC kernel (is this down to space?) > > > > I have no clue with this card is. Can you describe it? > > A DEC ethernet card, ISA bus. One of the few that work with an SRM of the age of the AXPpci33 > > There were/are(?) driver problems, it is either le or ln IIRC. I believe it is the le, I am trying to get this working ATM. > > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte FreeBSD/alpha Powered http://www.freebsd.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message