From owner-freebsd-binup Fri Nov 30 12:39: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A7737B417; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.190.39]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011130203900.ZFIJ9080.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:39:00 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B531AAA; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B29720ADB; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:40:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:40:23 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Cc: Brett Glass , Matt Piechota , Jay Keller Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Message-ID: <20011130204022.GA581@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Reply-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011130151834.Q40720-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011130151834.Q40720-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [I should have moved this to -binup some time ago, but here we go.] On Ven nov 30, 2001 at 03:19:24pm -0500, Matt Piechota wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Brett Glass wrote: >=20 > > >And there is a solution: we have a package management suite, we should > > >use it to package the base system. > > > > I really do like this idea. >=20 > I don't know if we'd want to do the entire system this way, but the more > optional stuff would be nice (named, sendmail, etc). On the contrary, I think the whole system should be this way. A few advantages: 1- transparancy: we have a single install procedure for 3rd party and base apps 2- consistency: we can check the consistency of the system using the package's checksums 3- ease of upgrade: binary upgrade become a trivial matter 4- external distribution: seperate binary packages allow us to distribute stuff such as ftpd as seperate distinct packages Any disavantages? a. --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Pour information voir http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwH7rUACgkQttcWHAnWiGebPACfb/P6Q7u1Egcq/ApiJlVPRabH POcAoKLei8svmOEvqzGgJ8F4PEn0iebL =tfPv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sat Dec 1 9:16:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from fe020.worldonline.dk (fe020.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFFB237B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32218 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2001 17:16:16 -0000 Received: from 213.237.101.114.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk (HELO there) (213.237.101.114) by fe020.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 17:16:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Simon L.Nielsen To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org, The Anarcat Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:16:10 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: Brett Glass , Matt Piechota , Jay Keller References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011130151834.Q40720-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> <20011130204022.GA581@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20011130204022.GA581@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 November 2001 21:40, The Anarcat wrote: > [I should have moved this to -binup some time ago, but here we go.] Where did the thread start? > > I don't know if we'd want to do the entire system this way, but the more > > optional stuff would be nice (named, sendmail, etc). > On the contrary, I think the whole system should be this way. A few > advantages: [CUT] > Any disavantages? Actually IMHO no.. It will take some time to actually split up the base system but I think it will be worth the work. It will make the FreeBSD install much more flexible. Should we see if we can the the binup project moving a bit again? - -- /Simon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CRBa8kocFXgPTRwRAhBzAKCmCaSkrPmSJYelBQ5cTeCzwYAanACgyBDw Uv8au4L9FT76lEDOt82aIvs= =AitU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sat Dec 1 9:19: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7816337B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 90E5557; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:18:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:18:57 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Simon L . Nielsen" Cc: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org, The Anarcat , Brett Glass , Matt Piechota , Jay Keller Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Message-ID: <20011201171857.A13323@tao.org.uk> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011130151834.Q40720-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> <20011130204022.GA581@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org>; from simon@nitro.dk on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:16:10PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:16:10PM +0100, Simon L . Nielsen wrote: > Should we see if we can the the binup project moving a bit again? I think that part of it is waiting upon us pkgAPI guys to finish our spec. We're a-working on it. Joe --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwJEQEACgkQXVIcjOaxUBZWZQCfVtEaWGSII/3KZPDtawAKgqhL 5iIAn0+zth/5UR/T6hHPRdKBYIsgOOf/ =JueW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sat Dec 1 9:27:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from fe040.worldonline.dk (fe040.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE18737B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15955 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2001 17:27:51 -0000 Received: from 213.237.101.114.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk (HELO there) (213.237.101.114) by fe040.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 17:27:51 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Simon L.Nielsen To: Josef Karthauser Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:27:52 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> <20011201171857.A13323@tao.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20011201171857.A13323@tao.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011201172753.AE18737B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 01 December 2001 18:18, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > Should we see if we can the the binup project moving a bit again? > I think that part of it is waiting upon us pkgAPI guys to finish our > spec. We're a-working on it. Ok. Do you need any help with it? - -- /Simon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CRMY8kocFXgPTRwRAle4AJ99SQnhza39Th7QepKmqiXWMHVQdwCfcsb7 9WJBc48AFWD3BXXgKq6+9xw= =ptXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sat Dec 1 10:14:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BC937B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3D40744; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:14:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:14:29 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Simon L . Nielsen" Cc: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Message-ID: <20011201181429.A14352@tao.org.uk> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> <20011201171857.A13323@tao.org.uk> <20011201172752.A7AB7EA3D@transwarp.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201172752.A7AB7EA3D@transwarp.tao.org.uk>; from simon@nitro.dk on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:27:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:27:52PM +0100, Simon L . Nielsen wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2001 18:18, Josef Karthauser wrote: >=20 > > > Should we see if we can the the binup project moving a bit again? > > I think that part of it is waiting upon us pkgAPI guys to finish our > > spec. We're a-working on it. > Ok. Do you need any help with it? Once the spec's written that's when the real work begins. I'd like to see the community response to it first though. Joe --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwJHgQACgkQXVIcjOaxUBZfOACeMEkqfjSn3Ct0iUrJB96TBUw3 VIoAoOOFEitivkRCAlwGu0Ym7n6zyW9F =IdkD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-binup Sat Dec 1 11:49:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C5937B4CF for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.190.39]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011201194904.MCZS10804.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:49:04 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033F519E5; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B57AE20AE5; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:50:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:50:42 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Cc: freebsd-binup@freebsd.org, Brett Glass , Matt Piechota , Jay Keller Subject: Re: OT: package management (was: Re: Updating ssh) Message-ID: <20011201195042.GC37583@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011129145159.00afd050@localhost> <20011130151834.Q40720-100000@cithaeron.argolis.org> <20011130204022.GA581@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="da4uJneut+ArUgXk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011201171617.BFFB237B417@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-binup@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --da4uJneut+ArUgXk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat Dec 01, 2001 at 06:16:10PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 >=20 > On Friday 30 November 2001 21:40, The Anarcat wrote: >=20 > > [I should have moved this to -binup some time ago, but here we go.] > Where did the thread start? -security. Discussion of /usr/bin/ssh vs /usr/local/bin/ssh. > > > I don't know if we'd want to do the entire system this way, but the m= ore > > > optional stuff would be nice (named, sendmail, etc). > > On the contrary, I think the whole system should be this way. A few > > advantages: > [CUT] > > Any disavantages? > Actually IMHO no.. It will take some time to actually split up the base= =20 > system but I think it will be worth the work. It will make the FreeBSD=20 > install much more flexible. Yes. But there *will* be a maintenance cost. The system not only won't make itself packaged magically, but will have to be checked for consistency before packaging. I mean, the different maintainers or the people touching the code will have to be concious of the packaging, contrarly to current pratice where everything is just thrown in and moved around. > Should we see if we can the the binup project moving a bit again? Err.. yeah, let's. :) a. --da4uJneut+ArUgXk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwJNJEACgkQttcWHAnWiGfrYwCgl7rrH/QaIvOt5GDMoZF5Lm/m HrIAoJ2VbAln/AFb37/x3rpdTfGLRUpy =iadF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --da4uJneut+ArUgXk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-binup" in the body of the message