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From: Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
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Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there????
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Terry Lambert said on Mar 24, 2001 at 01:32:45:
> I need a shell account; minimally, it needs to be able to run
> "elm", so I can get at my email from work or from home, without
> it having to be POP'ed off, and become inaccessible, unless I
> bring a work machine home or a home machine to work. In other
> words, I need to be able to get to a single shell, regardless of
> whether I am dialing up from home or the road, or telnet'ing in
> from work or a borrowed machine.
>
> I would like it if I could run traceroute, nslookup, and whois,
> as well, so that I can do directional diagnostics from another
> point on the net, when I'm having local connectivity trouble
> somewhere with a leased line link. It would be annoying, but I
> can live without that, if I can just get a shell account with
> elm access.
Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had
security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than
telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a
suitable provider for proper shell access.
I'm not sure whether elm supports it; I know mutt has good support for
it. I think most ISP's would support it too. Your mail stays on the
server, while your mail client runs on your local machine and accesses
the remote mailbox. You can read, delete, do whatever you like to the
remote mail which you would normally do to your local mail. So you
can access the same mailbox from either home or office. However, your
mail aliases, and your mail client configuration files, usually sit on
the local machine; so you'll need to sync those whenever you make
changes.
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote:
> > Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> wrote:
> >> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth....
> >>>
> >>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illit=
eracy
> >>> of the general media
> >>
> >> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's alwa=
ys
> >> been termed F&T around here.
> >
> > "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism.
>=20
> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to
> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it
> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally
> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No
> prizes for guessing who helped me.
You probably should credit the source, which is apparently
dcowart@cog.ufl.edu
http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=3D2&id=3D3ab0d5c7-0143fc00
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Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> wrote:
>>
>> You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more
>> than one commonwealth :-)
>
>Not any more, it fell; Dylan Hunt is still in the process
>of rebuilding it, the last time I heard anything about it.
Er, I was referring to various Eastern US states. What are you talking about?
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:50:57AM +0000, Tony Finch wrote:
> Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> wrote:
> >>=20
> >> You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more
> >> than one commonwealth :-)
> >
> >Not any more, it fell; Dylan Hunt is still in the process
> >of rebuilding it, the last time I heard anything about it.
>=20
> Er, I was referring to various Eastern US states. What are you talking ab=
out?
The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan
"Mullet" Hunt, who was accidentally sent 300 years into his future and
is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems
Commonwealth).
The production values are pretty dodgy, but there have been a few good
moments.
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On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote:
>>> Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> wrote:
>>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth....
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy
>>>>> of the general media
>>>>
>>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always
>>>> been termed F&T around here.
>>>
>>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism.
>>
>> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to
>> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it
>> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally
>> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No
>> prizes for guessing who helped me.
>
> You probably should credit the source, which is apparently
>
> dcowart@cog.ufl.edu
>
> http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00
I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html.
That's the only link to this page.
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:31:28AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote:
> >>> Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> wrote:
> >>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the ill=
iteracy
> >>>>> of the general media
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's al=
ways
> >>>> been termed F&T around here.
> >>>
> >>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism.
> >>
> >> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to
> >> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it
> >> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally
> >> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No
> >> prizes for guessing who helped me.
> >
> > You probably should credit the source, which is apparently
> >
> > dcowart@cog.ufl.edu
> >
> > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=3D2&id=3D3ab0d5c7-0143fc00
>=20
> I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html.
> That's the only link to this page.
Except for all of the web-based email/news archives, now ;-)
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On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 15:04:26 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 08:31:28AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Sunday, 25 March 2001 at 5:09:58 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 05:08:29PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote:
>>>>> Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy
>>>>>>> of the general media
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always
>>>>>> been termed F&T around here.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism.
>>>>
>>>> I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to
>>>> present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it
>>>> happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally
>>>> presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No
>>>> prizes for guessing who helped me.
>>>
>>> You probably should credit the source, which is apparently
>>>
>>> dcowart@cog.ufl.edu
>>>
>>> http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00
>>
>> I did in my diary entry at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/diary.html.
>> That's the only link to this page.
>
> Except for all of the web-based email/news archives, now ;-)
*sigh*
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At 2:56 PM +0200 3/25/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
> Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had
> security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than
> telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a
> suitable provider for proper shell access.
Keep in mind that virtually all providers I know of that support
IMAP will also support POP on the same boxes. Indeed, it's a lot
harder to get them to support IMAP if they already support POP than
the reverse. I believe that both Cyrus and UW IMAP packages come
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> So... I am now looking for a BSD/non-fixed-access friendly ISP.
Terry,
Take a look at sonic.net. Their shell is RH Linux, but they are a
friendly, locally-owned ISP with a very good service record. If
you search groups.google.com for sonic.net in the ba.internet
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> The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan
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> is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems
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Kris,
I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture?
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GS> On 2001-03-25 14:40 -0800, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> wrote:
>>
>> The TV series _Andromeda_ (starring Kevin Sorbo as Captain Dylan
>> "Mullet" Hunt, who was accidentally sent 300 years into his future and
>> is trying to rebuild a fallen galactic civilisation called the Systems
>> Commonwealth).
GS> Kris,
GS> I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture?
GS> http://www.fandomshop.com/movies/features/scooby030901.html
GS> Greg :)
Nope, that is the guy from the "Scream" series of movies (the tall
guy playing Shaggy, I assume you are thinking of. The other is
Freddy Prinze Jr.)
Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his
"Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if
I am not mistaken).
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-Neill
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On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote:
> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his
> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if
> I am not mistaken).
Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules....
[yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born]
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At 5:11 PM -0800 3/25/01, Gregory Sutter wrote:
> I'm trying to remember who Kevin Sorbo is. Is he in this picture?
>
> http://www.fandomshop.com/movies/features/scooby030901.html
No. According to <http://us.imdb.com/Title?0267913>, that is
Matthew Lillard. See
<http://us.imdb.com/PGallery?0000498&source=granitz> for more
pictures of him.
According to <http://us.imdb.com/Name?Sorbo,+Kevin>, Kevin Sorbo
is a much wussier Nancy-boy who spent three years modeling. ;-)
Heck, according to <http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Sorbo,+Kevin>, he was such
a wuss that he couldn't even beat out Dean Cain for the TV Series
"Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" (see
<http://us.imdb.com/Title?0106057> for more info on it). ;-) ;-)
You can go to <http://us.imdb.com/PGallery?0001757&source=granitz>
to see more pictures of Kevin Sorbo.
However, I can't blame you for getting the two confused. They do
look quite a lot alike. I'm just not sure who should be more
offended by your original question -- Kevin Sorbo that he would be in
such a wuss movie like "Scooby Doo", or Matt Lillard that you would
mistake him for Kevin Sorbo. ;-)
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Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote:
DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote:
>> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his
>> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if
>> I am not mistaken).
DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules....
DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born]
Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought
they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television!
Where in NZ, by the way?
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On 25 Mar 2001, at 23:08, Neill Robins wrote:
> Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote:
> DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote:
>
> >> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his
> >> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if
> >> I am not mistaken).
>
> DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules....
> DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born]
>
> Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought
> they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television!
Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays...
> Where in NZ, by the way?
The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just
told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast.
The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta
<http://www.wetafx.co.nz/WetaLtd-Index.html>. The are the same
people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta
are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director
and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the
LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally
enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the
first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will
be in Wellington. I hope so.
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Brad Knowles said on Mar 26, 2001 at 01:58:58:
> At 2:56 PM +0200 3/25/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
>
> > Rather than POP, have you considered IMAP? I believe it's had
> > security problems now and then, but it can't be worse than
> > telnet'ing... and it's better than nothing if you don't find a
> > suitable provider for proper shell access.
>
> Keep in mind that virtually all providers I know of that support
> IMAP will also support POP on the same boxes. Indeed, it's a lot
> harder to get them to support IMAP if they already support POP than
> the reverse. I believe that both Cyrus and UW IMAP packages come
> with a POP3 server in the box, and I know that UW IMAP is fully
> compatible with virtually all mailbox formats out there, which means
> you should be able to easily run it on a machine that already has an
> existing POP server implementation.
>
> So, what it comes down to is that this should not be a factor
> that should need to be considered.
I'm not sure I follow that. If it's harder to get them to support
IMAP when they support POP, it's harder for you to use IMAP.
An IMAP server must be running at their end. You can't use IMAP on
your mail client if they only have a POP server.
Still, I suppose a shell account is preferable, because you can access
it even when you're travelling and don't have your own laptop with
you.
R
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At 10:59 AM +0200 3/26/01, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
> I'm not sure I follow that. If it's harder to get them to support
> IMAP when they support POP, it's harder for you to use IMAP.
> An IMAP server must be running at their end. You can't use IMAP on
> your mail client if they only have a POP server.
Right, but if you go looking for places that have IMAP support,
they'll almost certainly also have POP support. The converse is not
necessarily true.
> Still, I suppose a shell account is preferable, because you can access
> it even when you're travelling and don't have your own laptop with
> you.
For what he wants, a shell account is certainly required.
Everything else is on top of the shell account, so that should be the
first thing he's looking for.
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Sunday, March 25, 2001, 11:18:23 PM, Dan Langille wrote:
DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 23:08, Neill Robins wrote:
>> Sunday, March 25, 2001, 10:24:40 PM, Dan Langille wrote:
>> DL> On 25 Mar 2001, at 20:30, Neill Robins wrote:
>>
>> >> Here: http://www.xenite.org/sorbo/ is a picture. He is most famous for his
>> >> "Hercules" series that came on USA. It was pre-Xena and cancelled (if
>> >> I am not mistaken).
>>
>> DL> Pre-Xena? Please! Xena was a spin-off of Hercules....
>> DL> [yes, both series were/are filmed in NZ and Lucy Lawless is NZ-born]
>>
>> Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought
>> they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television!
DL> Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays...
My roommate used to watch it fairly often, then Xena, for obvious
reasons.
>> Where in NZ, by the way?
DL> The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just
DL> told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast.
Well, it looks absolutely beautiful from the pictures I've seen,
mostly on the internet. I actually have a friend in Sydney who said
that if I could ever make it out, she would take me to NZ touring, and
I believe Auckland was one of the main points of interest.
DL> The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta
DL> <http://www.wetafx.co.nz/WetaLtd-Index.html>. The are the same
DL> people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta
DL> are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director
DL> and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the
DL> LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally
DL> enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the
DL> first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will
DL> be in Wellington. I hope so.
Yeah, I have seen the trailer when I saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden
Dragon" and it looks like it may be good (compared to some of the
crap they churn out nowadays). And speaking of LOTR, here is a
humourous clip:
http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrlow.mov for 160x
http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrhigh.mov for 240x
If you have the time to download one, it is pretty good, although it
may be slow.
Have a good one.
-Neill
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Subject: ->NIC<- Compat and Reliability
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Well, seeing as this is a tad OT, I decided to post to chat here:
I've been doing some searching around the Net for small time surfing
boxes and came across the "NIC". I was wandering if anyone has had any
experience with these and if there are any compatability issue's ( I
already assume the modem is of no use being a win-modem presumably)
I'm also looking too find out about the reliability of the unit's
seeing as they are relatively new, and if anyone has used them or are
useing them, what there thoughts are for useing them as a stand alone
cheap surfing box.
Also, if anyone has links too similar type's of unit's i'd be most
gratefull, modem's are not as important as ethernet, seeing as
everything will be running on a LAN.
oh, and if not already obvious, ability to work with FreeBSD is of most
concern.
Thanks
David
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I have been working with a fellow who finally got disgusted and
sent his back.
It has NO hard drive; it boots Linux from a CD-ROM. And it's a
brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell!
This user couldn't even get the system to execute a login script
when it dialed, so that it could log into a university computer
network.
He gave up and shipped it back. He can get a more functional
used laptop for less.
Don't know how reliable the hardware is. It might possibly work with
FreeBSD, but you'd have to do a stripped-down PicoBSD-like kernel
for it.
If you're looking for small, simple boxes, there are likely to be
better ways to go. I'd dump the CD-ROM for a small hard disk
myself.
--Brett
At 09:06 AM 3/26/2001, David wrote:
>Well, seeing as this is a tad OT, I decided to post to chat here:
>
>I've been doing some searching around the Net for small time surfing
>boxes and came across the "NIC". I was wandering if anyone has had any
>experience with these and if there are any compatability issue's ( I
>already assume the modem is of no use being a win-modem presumably)
>
>I'm also looking too find out about the reliability of the unit's
>seeing as they are relatively new, and if anyone has used them or are
>useing them, what there thoughts are for useing them as a stand alone
>cheap surfing box.
>
>Also, if anyone has links too similar type's of unit's i'd be most
>gratefull, modem's are not as important as ethernet, seeing as
>everything will be running on a LAN.
>
>oh, and if not already obvious, ability to work with FreeBSD is of most
>concern.
>
>Thanks
>
>David
>
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote:
> brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell!
http://localhost/cgi-bin/launchapp?/usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt
(according to http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue82/4475.html)
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On Monday 26 March 2001 13:48, Brett wrote:
> It has NO hard drive; it boots Linux from a CD-ROM. And it's a
> brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell!
I'm not really concerned about the lack of a hard drive, I guess i
should have mentioned that to start, I'm looking for 10-15 wee little
surfing boxes like this strickly for surfing (and cheap) and possibly
setting up a server for file storage etc.. later on. So something to
this effect would be ideal.
as for a shell, according to this story here:
http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue82/4475.html
it is possible to bring a shell and to check out the system and any
editing that you would like to do. This story is how i came across the
NIC in the first place.
> Don't know how reliable the hardware is. It might possibly work with
> FreeBSD, but you'd have to do a stripped-down PicoBSD-like kernel
> for it.
:-) this is the first thing that came across my mind reading up on
it.... I think it would be fun trying to make up a bootable FreeBSD
cdrom for this thing. With only 64MB of ram, I think possibly another
64MB's would be required, and with no hard drive, i guess some sort of
"swap across the network" would be necessary, is this even possible?
> If you're looking for small, simple boxes, there are likely to be
> better ways to go. I'd dump the CD-ROM for a small hard disk
> myself.
I would imagine this would be the best way to go, mind you I was
wondering if this might not be the "safest or securest way" when these
boxes will be for a public surfing terminal. Maybe add a few more
programs across the network if required along with file storage etc.
Cheers
David
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Interesting. None of their tech support people knew that, or
would admit to knowing that if they did. My guess, though, is
that they just didn't know.... All but one asked me what a
"shell" was.
--Brett
At 12:03 PM 3/26/2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote:
>
>> brain dead version of Linux; you can't even get to a shell!
>
>http://localhost/cgi-bin/launchapp?/usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt
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>
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On 26 Mar 2001, at 7:48, Neill Robins wrote:
> DL> The filming for Hercules and Xena was done in Auckland. Someone just
> DL> told me it was just west of Auckland, on the coast.
>
> Well, it looks absolutely beautiful from the pictures I've seen,
> mostly on the internet. I actually have a friend in Sydney who said
> that if I could ever make it out, she would take me to NZ touring, and
> I believe Auckland was one of the main points of interest.
Well don't concentrate on Auckland. Most tourist concentrate on the
south island. That's where the big mountains, glaciers, rain forests,
plains, etc are. Depending on what interests you, different areas will be
liked by different people.
> DL> The special effects (physical and digital) were by Weta
> DL> <http://www.wetafx.co.nz/WetaLtd-Index.html>. The are the same
> DL> people who worked on The Frightners and Heavenly Creatures. Weta
> DL> are heavily involved in Lord of The Rings. Peter Jackson is the director
> DL> and all of the three films were shot in New Zealand. You've seen the
> DL> LOTR trailer? That's NZ scenery in the background, perhaps digitally
> DL> enhance, I don't know. At present, they are post production and the
> DL> first film will be released December 2001. With luck, the premiere will
> DL> be in Wellington. I hope so.
>
> Yeah, I have seen the trailer when I saw "Crouching Tiger, Hidden
> Dragon" and it looks like it may be good (compared to some of the
> crap they churn out nowadays). And speaking of LOTR, here is a
> humourous clip:
> http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrlow.mov for 160x
> http://modernhumorist.com/mh/0101/rings/lotrhigh.mov for 240x
> If you have the time to download one, it is pretty good, although it
> may be slow.
Oh gawd some people have too much time!
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Hello everyone;
It's been quite awhile, hope everyone's doing fine.
I've been trying to get a handle on designing webpages using php and a
database, and was wandering if someone might have some time to give a
practical overview of actually "doing" it in real time.
I ask because sometimes a non-technically educated older person needs a
hands on demo to get the magical "click" happening up stairs.
This would be for FreeBSD or even OpenBSD, and i would imagine a
computer of some sort would be neccessary.
The only thing i can offer at present would be too pick up the bill at
a pizza place or even a fish restaurant for one's dining pleasure.
Or for the more adventurous i could arrange a couple night's stay in
Machu Picchu here: ( airfare not included :)
http://www.bed42.com/gringobills/ or here's another example
http://www.machupicchuperu.com/ hence the need for the practical demo
8-)
Let me know if there are any willing takers.
TIA
David
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Please disreguard my previous post, it was meant for another list. My
only excuse being my have open eyelids preventing me from seeing what
I'm typing :-)
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I don't have enough time to do this at the moment, so here's an outline for
something I'd like to see written. Any takers?
In a nutshell, I'd like to be able to send a message periodically to
-questions, the newsgroups, and possibly -stable, about changes to the
FAQ that have been made in the last week. =20
Given access to a complete CVS repo, and a date, this script should be
able to spit out a list of questions that have changed (ideally using
their ID in the FAQ, so we can construct links to them), and the
revision in which that question changed (so that we construct CVSweb
links to them). Access to the commit message associated with the change
would also be useful.
N
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In <20010327164215.D40583@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>,
Nik Clayton wrote:
> I don't have enough time to do this at the moment, so here's an outline for
> something I'd like to see written. Any takers?
>
> In a nutshell, I'd like to be able to send a message periodically to
> -questions, the newsgroups, and possibly -stable, about changes to the
> FAQ that have been made in the last week.
>
> Given access to a complete CVS repo, and a date, this script should be
> able to spit out a list of questions that have changed (ideally using
> their ID in the FAQ, so we can construct links to them), and the
> revision in which that question changed (so that we construct CVSweb
> links to them). Access to the commit message associated with the change
> would also be useful.
I have some time left this week - so I am going to do it. :-)
ciao,
-robert
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> > Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought
> > they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television!
>
> Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays...
I'm a big fan of Bruce Campbell, who appeared on both the Xena
and Hercules series as "Autolycus, King of Thieves", who was
showcased in the short lived series "Jack Of All Trades", which
was a "Wild Wild West" spoof. He otherwise known for his roles
in "The Evil Dead", "The Evil Dead II: Dead By Dawn", and "Army
Of Darkness". Oh yeah, also Cleopatra 2525.
He's an amazing comedic actor, IMO.
There are a lot of Robert Tapert, Sam Raimi productions out
there, including all three "Evil Dead" films, mentioned above,
Darkman, Xena, Hercules, and the new CBS Series "American
Gothic". They also did the M.A.N.T.I.S. pilot, and the action
Western "The Quick and the Dead". Raimi executive produced
"Hard Target" and "Timecop", and co-wrote "The Hudsucker Proxy".
Reniassance pictures is Bruce Campbell, Robert Tapert, and Sam
Raimi's production company.
Personally, I think Hercules fell apart except as comedy, when
they got rid of Anthony Quinn.
Terry Lambert
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> It's been quite awhile, hope everyone's doing fine.
>
> I've been trying to get a handle on designing webpages using php and a
> database, and was wandering if someone might have some time to give a
> practical overview of actually "doing" it in real time.
>
> I ask because sometimes a non-technically educated older person needs a
> hands on demo to get the magical "click" happening up stairs.
>
> This would be for FreeBSD or even OpenBSD, and i would imagine a
> computer of some sort would be neccessary.
>
> The only thing i can offer at present would be too pick up the bill at
> a pizza place or even a fish restaurant for one's dining pleasure.
>
> Or for the more adventurous i could arrange a couple night's stay in
> Machu Picchu here: ( airfare not included :)
There are a couple of fair books on PHP.
I suggest:
Php Essentials (Prima Tech Linux Series)
Julie C. Meloni
ISBN: 076152729X
I don't have this next one, but people seem to like it:
MySQL/PHP Database Application
Jay Greenspan, Brad Bulger
ISBN: 0764535374
Unfortunately, most PHP documentation is lacking. I personally have
no use for the books with the Red covers with the black and white
photos. I also have yet to see a decent reference for displaying
MIME content in a browser properly, without a lot of overhead, or a
kludge class that the programmer rolled as an example for their
book, but failed to fully flesh out.
Also beware of books with licenses which don't permit you to use
their example code in products.
I've been tempted to write a PHP4 book that went into precise
details about some of the more esoteric topics, but I would want
to wait for a major release, so that it doesn't find itself
immediately outdated.
Terry Lambert
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Terry Lambert wrote:
:> > Whoa, I never admitted that I actually watched those shows! :) I thought
:> > they was pure crap for what little time I had to watch television!
:>
:> Heh, I liked watching them when I was in USA on holidays...
:
:I'm a big fan of Bruce Campbell, who appeared on both the Xena
:and Hercules series as "Autolycus, King of Thieves", who was
:showcased in the short lived series "Jack Of All Trades", which
:was a "Wild Wild West" spoof. He otherwise known for his roles
:in "The Evil Dead", "The Evil Dead II: Dead By Dawn", and "Army
:Of Darkness". Oh yeah, also Cleopatra 2525.
You left out The Adventures of Brisco County (Jr.?)
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Is this at all possible?
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html
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/* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum <root@ihack.net> */
/* */
/* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */
#define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<<
unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1
,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9
^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j=
127;++j<n;c=z+c>y)a^=a>>14,a=a>>8^(y=a^a*8^a<<6)<<9,b=b>>8^(z=b^b/8^b>>4^b>>12)
<<17,i=s[j],i="7Wo~'G_\216"[i&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[i>>4]*2^i*257/8,s[j]=i^(i
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Of course it is. Fundamentally this is no different from a virus that
can, for example, infect PE and DOS executables. Different file formats,
different system calls, and that's all there is to it.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:40:17AM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
> Is this at all possible?
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html
>
>
> --
> /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum <root@ihack.net> */
> /* */
> /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */
>
> #define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<<
> unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1
> ,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9
> ^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j=
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> Is this at all possible?
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html
Maybe if you had WABI or WINE installed.
It would be hard for a virus to be executable on more than one
platform at a time, unless it wasn't really a virus.
Interpreted code would be easier.
The fact that you have to explicitly click the thing leads me
to believe that it's actually a bacterium, and they haven't
magically solved the ANDF problem that computer science has
been fighting ever since software started being distributed.
More than likely, from the user participation requirement,
it's something like a "Shockwave Flash" or similar bacterium.
I also doubt the 100 bytes claim; it may go looking for it,
but it's unlikely that it would be able to do something
about it.
There's also a very simple protection step that you could use
to thwart most virus code, but it would drop much of the floor
out from under the antivirus market: installed images, per VMS.
In other words, require priviledges to be able to mark files as
executable, and don't permit ordinary users the ability to do
that. VMS wasn't quite as anal: it permitted images installed
with priviledges, which permitted the linker to set the exec
bit, when run on behalf of an ordinary user.
I rather suspect that there are sufficient priviledge exploits
in most (not all) versions of Windows to make this a dubious
approach on platforms with known security compromises.
Likewise, a CRC or MD5 hash, stored as kernel metadata, would
not be capable of being easily compromised, as long as you had
a seperate signature store with which to compare it: infected
files simply would not run.
People have also suggested that locally, you could change your
system call entry points, which would render foreign executables
nonviable.
It's all an arms race, anyway. A bacterium could propagate
as source code, where the compiled version exploited attacks
against a remote system, and then compiled itself on the new
target system, and was still capable of outputting its own
source code (there are programs on the net that can take a
program, and make it capable of spitting out its own source
code).
In one experiment I did, my code would propagate to a subset of
the total targettable executable files in range, and only attach
itself (as a self-decompressor) if the compression achieved plus
the code attached was some other threshold smaller than the
original file. When a modified file was run, it would decompress
the original, and execute it with the same command line arguments
and descriptors, while a child was forked and run in the background
to go look for more files to treat. It would only run on systems
where the actual file size and data segment size were not required
to be the same; that change went into the 386BSD code in 1993 or
so, since it's required to permit "uncore" to work for perl, emacs,
LISP, etc.. Obviously, when I wrote this, I was living under some
serious disk space, but not CPU time, restrictions.
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>> Is this at all possible?
>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html
>
>Maybe if you had WABI or WINE installed.
>
>It would be hard for a virus to be executable on more than one
>platform at a time, unless it wasn't really a virus.
The way this virus works, is as follows:
It has one Linux ELF image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and =
Windows
PE files.
It has one Windows PE image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and =
Windows
PE files.
This doesn't mean the same file will be able to run under both Windows =
and
Linux, quite the contrary.
So it's simple a Linux program capable of editing (infection) to =
different
executable formats, as well as a Windows program capable of the same.
I hope this explanation clears up any confusion as to the possibility =
of
such a virus.
As for spreading, Benny (the author of Winux) thinks that it should be =
able
to spread from Linux to Windows, as many users have a FAT (Windows)
partition mounted, for exchanging data. As far as I know he haven't
explained how the Windows version of Winux would spread to Linux.
Bryan =D8stergaard
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I found out today that I'll be in Ottawa for most of April. Any interesting
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This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some reason, but
I get terrible download performance from ftp.freesoftware.com. For
other sites, my rates peak at greater than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky
if I can get 5 KB/s. The load doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000
possible" right now).
Anybody have an answer for or comments on this?
Thanks,
Bob
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Why not? The original Morris worm targeted both DEC and Sun.
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At 02:40 AM 3/28/2001, Rahul Siddharthan wrote:
>Is this at all possible?
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010327/wr/virus_winux_dc_1.html
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> The way this virus works, is as follows:
>
> It has one Linux ELF image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and Windows
> PE files.
> It has one Windows PE image capable of infecting both Linux ELF and Windows
> PE files.
>
> This doesn't mean the same file will be able to run under both Windows and
> Linux, quite the contrary.
> So it's simple a Linux program capable of editing (infection) to different
> executable formats, as well as a Windows program capable of the same.
>
> I hope this explanation clears up any confusion as to the possibility of
> such a virus.
I feel cheated.
> As for spreading, Benny (the author of Winux) thinks that it should be able
> to spread from Linux to Windows, as many users have a FAT (Windows)
> partition mounted, for exchanging data. As far as I know he haven't
> explained how the Windows version of Winux would spread to Linux.
UMSDOSFS?
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Bob Willcox wrote:
>
> This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some
> reason, but I get terrible download performance from
> ftp.freesoftware.com.
A.K.A. ftp.freebsd.org
> For other sites, my rates peak at greater
> than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky if I can get 5 KB/s. The load
> doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000 possible" right now).
>
> Anybody have an answer for or comments on this?
Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD
to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it
should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a
traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the
server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New
York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through
lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms
per hop. It's horrible.
I've been using ftp2.freebsd.org ever since.
Dave
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Indeed, ftp2.freebsd.org is _significantly_ faster. I'm getting greater
than 160 KB/s throughput from it (vs. 2-3 KB/s from ftp.freebsd.org).
Bob
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:28:56PM -0800, Dave Walton wrote:
> Bob Willcox wrote:
> >
> > This may be old news and may only be effecting me for some
> > reason, but I get terrible download performance from
> > ftp.freesoftware.com.
>
> A.K.A. ftp.freebsd.org
>
> > For other sites, my rates peak at greater
> > than 200 KB/s, but here I'm luky if I can get 5 KB/s. The load
> > doesn't seem that high ("934 out of 5000 possible" right now).
> >
> > Anybody have an answer for or comments on this?
>
> Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD
> to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it
> should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a
> traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the
> server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New
> York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through
> lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms
> per hop. It's horrible.
>
> I've been using ftp2.freebsd.org ever since.
>
> Dave
>
>
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dave Walton wrote:
:
:Yeah, I noticed this a few months ago when I was introducing BSD
:to someone. The FTP install was taking hours longer than it
:should have, because the throughput was so stinking low. I did a
:traceroute to see what was happening, and discovered that the
:server appears to have been moved from San Francisco to New
:York. The new route includes half a dozen hops through
:lightning.net, which are typically anywhere from 100ms to 300ms
:per hop. It's horrible.
lightning.net seem to have poor peering. My connections to ghem are through
level3.net and are quite fast.
:
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I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8,
AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box,
I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So,
is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid?
-r
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On 2001-03-29 15:17 +0200, Carin Warming <carin@warming.net> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> My boyfriend is having the dsb-devil tattoo'ed om his shoulder. (Don't ask
> :))
>
> Do you have a more detailed picture of the devil standig still ?
Carin,
Here is the highest quality graphic of the standing daemon that
I've seen:
http://www.zer0.org/daemons/wc/standing_daemon.jpg
Also, you and your boyf should know that it's a daemon, not a
devil. Here's an explanation:
http://www.daemonnews.org/199810/daemon.html
I hope he enjoys his tattoo! Maybe you could get one as well.
If you do, be sure to send a picture to <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>!
Greg
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:19:18PM -0800, Rich Morin scribbled:
| I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8,
| AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box,
| I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So,
| is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid?
Yes, FFS works cleanly with 8-bit except for the "/" character.
The userland tools are a totally different thing though...
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On Thursday, 29 March 2001 at 8:24:35 -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> [Apologies to JKH for bugging him with more of this.]
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:03:09AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> mutt doesn't handle a Reply-To: the way you want when it's a group
>> reply.
>
> Uh Greg, I _do_ use Mutt remember?
No, I don't remember. I didn't know.
> I'm the maintainer of /usr/ports/mail/mutt since the time I imported
> version 0.30.
You maintain a lot of things. Do you use them all on a regular basis?
>> It seems that Ruslan's procmail script should do what you want.
>
> I said it doesn't and it doesn't. See my explanation of why it
> doesn't. And if your procmail-FU is better than mine, please help
> with coming up with rules that will DTRT.
Well, I've put Ruslan's rule in my .procmailrc, and it's doing a great
job for me. I thought some other people came up with ideas which
might work for you. I personally keep all my mail in a single folder:
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Yep, they sure know their stuff. The fourth most popular
Linux distribution is... FreeBSD?
--Brett
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You know, I see stuff like this all the time. CompUSA circulars often
advertise the FreeBSD Power Pack in their section under the heading of
"Linux Distributions" along with Red Hat and Corel. I actually considered
mentioning the technical incorrectness of this to someone at CompUSA but on
further consideration decided that it wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
I don't mind seeing FreeBSD riding the coattails of Linux's increased
popularity. Besides, when someone moderately technical asks me what
FreeBSD is, I'm very likely to mention Linux somewhere in my
explanation. My own first knowledge of FreeBSD came as a result of looking
into various Linux distributions.
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>Yep, they sure know their stuff. The fourth most popular
>Linux distribution is... FreeBSD?
>
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Technical Information wrote:
:
:I don't mind seeing FreeBSD riding the coattails of Linux's increased
:popularity. Besides, when someone moderately technical asks me what
:FreeBSD is, I'm very likely to mention Linux somewhere in my
:explanation. My own first knowledge of FreeBSD came as a result of looking
:into various Linux distributions.
:
:--Chip Morton
:
Indeed. I've gotten a leeast one person to use FreeBSD by answering the
question "Is there a Linux distro that's easy to install, secure, and not a
flaming piece of shit?" with "FreeBSD". Lent him my CDs, spent an hour
explaining what he'd ha ve to do to get some piece of Linux binary software.
FreeBSD has done a good of job of running Linux software as most of the
Linux distros I've dealt with -- better than quite a lot of them. I don't
know if that should make me happy or sad.
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Rich Morin <rdm@cfcl.com> wrote:
> I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8,
> AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box,
> I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So,
> is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid?
8-bit cleanness is a given, considering that Europeans have used
various single-byte 8-bit character sets (ISO 8859, KOI, etc) on
FreeBSD for many years. The filesystem of course doesn't care,
apart from '/' (directory separator) and '\0' (string terminator)
it doesn't assign any meaning to particular characters.
UTF-8's multi-byte nature *will* produce many cosmetic problems
(e.g. ls(1) not aligning columns properly) throughout the system.
More work on this is needed.
Note that there's a freebsd-i18n list that deals with such issues.
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I find it amusing, on occasion, to tell folks that I run BSD/Linux.
The peculiar thing about these religious wars is that all of the
Unices (aka eclectic systems) are fishing from essentially the same
ponds. They all use bind, sendmail, etc. The big differences have
to do with the kernel, distribution models, and social engineering...
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> I recently started playing with Mac OS X, which allows Unicode (UTF-8,
> AFAIK) in its path names. Because I'm also using my trusty FreeBSD box,
> I'm wondering if there's any reason to worry about compatibility. So,
> is FreeBSD totally 8-bit clean or are there some tarpits I should avoid?
FreeBSD is _not_ 8 bit clean. Neither is being 8 bit clean, if
it were, sufficient.
Computational representation of Unicode data is either as
16 bit wchar_t instead of signed char data, or 32 bit wchar_t.
Both wchar_t values are unsigned. The 32 bit type does
nothing but waste space, since the people who whined about
it have failed to allocate anything beyond the default code
page in the 32 bit representation, which is all high bits 0,
and all low bits equal to the 16 bit varies, which is to say
ISO-10646. It seems that the complainers weren't coders.
FreeBSD, and the programs on it, frequently use "char" instead
of "unsigned char" to refer to character data. They also do
pointer arithmatic, and other manipulation, which assume that
character values are 8 bit. A common case is to attribute
character data by using "the next size up" (16 bit shorts) to
allow the data to be attributed. This usage really requires
the definition of a larger type, which itself implies that a
32 bit wchar_t is unacceptable.
Additionally, UTF-8 encoding is a problem. This is because in
order to process the data for collation, etc. (even the simple
sort of output by "ls" or a file borwser), it is _required_
to intern this data not as 8 bit clean character strings, but
as unencoded wchar_t arrays. This is particularly problematic
for external representation, as well, for things like pipe,
tty, and other device data. Think "cat a b > c", or worse, a
sed script, or think of the round trip requirement in your
mounting a legacy KOI-8or ISO 8859-2 FS into a "Unicode"
system using UTF-8 (quoted for obvious reasons of pseudo-truth
of the label), or vice-versa. You can not expect the legacy
system to perform the round-tripping of the data, which means
you have to put it in the kernel.
Finally, path names are permitted by POSIX to be 255 total
characters. UTF-8 encoded character strings for 255 16 bit
wchar_t characters vary from 255 to 1275 8 bit characters;
this value goes to 2550 8 bit characters for 32 bit wchar_t.
A FreeBSD system (any system) not capable of supporting a
file name of this length, and using UTF-8 for path data
renders these systems non-interoperable.
It is much, much cleaner to co got 16 bit wchar_t for both
internal and external representation, and deal with legacy
issues with Os translation, rather than trying to jam legacy
compatability by putting encoding and decoding, along with
the externalization exceptions, into each and every program.
All in all, I guess this says "FreeBSD doesn't have this
worked out, but neither does Mac OS X, and Windows barely
has it worked out, and is still fighting the legacy program
issue". Windows, by the way, handles compatability by having
an "old 8 bit" and "new 16 bit" namespace, and doing immediate
binding (not late binding) of names between the namespaces;
in other words, they bit the backward compatability bullet,
and are eating the legacy application conversion on a program
by program basis, as a problem for the program vendors to
resolve.
This type of thing becomes significantly easier, if you list
out all the legacy issues, and decide on a standard strategy
for how you are going to handle them.
PS: The above totally ignores the tools problem of how you
would go about representing statically initialized Unicode
character data in programs. In particular, the XPG/4
soloution for this was the use of trigraphs; this was very
much discouraged, with the stated preference being for the
use of message catalogs for storing such strings.
PPS: Nedless to say, this complicates "hello world"; the way
Microsoft dealt with this problem (user programs with names
that vary only by directory in which the executables exist)
vs. the way X/Open (the source of XPG/3 and XPG/4) dealt with
this problem (flat catalog namespace) are also very telling
about thinking out the commercial implications of the problem.
The Sun ([...]/com/sunsoft/machine/program/) also assume that
there will be no local developers on the machine, since catalog
installation by vendor requires root access, and can not be
performed by ordinary users, and is also very telling.
Terry Lambert
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From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 9:57: 3 2001
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
> On 30-Mar-01 Jamie Jones wrote:
> > http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm
>
> And once again, we manage to aim the gun straight at our feet, and fire! :-(
>
> "It has been brought to our attention that FreeBSD is not a Linux
> distribution. The data was revised to exclude FreeBSD, and the numbers
> above reflect the corrections. We apologize for the mistake."
>
> FreeBSD, the other white meat.
Arg. Reminds me of the "We're Linux users and you're not; Go
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Kristin Ford wrote:
>
> Hi Wes,
>
> We are working on restoring the FreeBSD data today. I believe that we have
> decided to post the chart both with and without FreeBSD listed. Does that
> seem acceptable? If not, let me know.
That would be great. I'll share this with my compatriots, perhaps
they'll leave you (and your inbox) alone. ;^)
> Yes lots of feedback, Linux developers are a tough crowd!!
And BSD developers even more so -- they're too used to getting lumped
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I'm about to do two things I'll be very ashamed of later:
1. Publically admit that I watch "Survivor" (it's all my girlfriend's
fault, I swear).
2. Woefully abuse the -chat mailing list for something utterly
unrelated to FreeBSD. :)
We've been watching this evil show for the last few weeks, desperately
hoping like everyone else that the odious Jerri would either be voted
off and/or simply fed to ravenous wild pigs, and of course, we've been
cruelly disappointed so far. So it was with our usual cautious
optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my
TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to
an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come
into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got
the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH!
If anyone taped yesterday's show, I would be eternally grateful for a
copy, a sledgehammer attack on my TiVo by said girlfriend also perhaps
being averted.
Thanks! I now return you to our regularly scheduled -chatter.
- Jordan
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At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>So it was with our usual cautious
>optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my
>TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to
>an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come
>into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got
>the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH!
That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-)
--Brett
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From: Joseph Mallett <jmallett@newgold.net>
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I'm tempted to ask this on one of the more technical lists, but since I
know it's off topic and not related (directly) to FreeBSD, I'm thinking
the _safest_ place to put it is here?
In any case, I'm head developer, project coordinator, whatever, for xMach
(www.xMach.org) which is based on Mach4 and Lites.
I'm trying to find someone who is knowledgeable of FreeBSD device drivers
or the Virtual Machine. Before today, Mach4 relied on Linux device drivers
if you wanted anything other than a HD driver and an NE2k driver. I
decided it was time they went. They were old, poorly written, etc., Linux
device drivers (which meant they were GPL). As long as they were there,
I'd keep relying on them and fixing them, each time feeling like we were a
little too much GPL. So they're gone. I'm looking for someone who would be
willing to put some FreeBSD device frameworks into the microkernel part of
xMach, so that we can use existing FreeBSD device drivers. If anyone is
willing to help, I'd appriciate an email or to talk to you on IRC
(irc.newgold.net/#xMach).
And if anyone is proficient with the workings of FreeBSD's VM, and the
changes from when it was taken from Mach (all those years ago), I think
it'd be really great (albeit not needed, per se) if someone could
integrate some (or all) of a modern FreeBSD VM into xMach (again, the
microkernel part, based on Mach4).
If nobody wants to help, it'd cool, but I figured I'd at least give it a
shot, as currently I'd like to continue to concentrate on integrating
FFS+SoftDep, and a few other things I feel like I can competently do.
Thanks for your time (and for distracting yourself from the usual business
of -chat),
/joseph
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Kevin,
I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent
actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions
(<http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm>). You have been extremely
responsive to feedback from user communities, and have preserved
scientific integrity by not simply erasing the FreeBSD data from the
page. Your willingness to accept input and your interest in properly
representing the data from your study are greatly appreciated.
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Greg
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On 2001-03-30 14:09 -0800, Gregory Sutter <gsutter@zer0.org> wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent
> actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions
Kristin,
I apologize for calling you "Kevin"! I experienced a slip of the mind.
Greg
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> >So it was with our usual cautious
> >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my
> >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to
> >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come
> >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got
> >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH!
>
> That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-)
Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one
of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that
TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-)
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Josef Grosch wrote:
:On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote:
:> At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
:>
:> >So it was with our usual cautious
:> >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my
:> >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to
:> >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come
:> >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got
:> >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH!
:>
:> That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-)
:
:Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one
:of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that
:TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-)
Surely JKH has his TiVo running under Linux emulation?
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Scheidt wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Josef Grosch wrote:
>
> :On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:42:52PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote:
> :> At 01:28 PM 3/30/2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> :>
> :> >So it was with our usual cautious
> :> >optimism that we tuned into the show last night, only to find that my
> :> >TiVo had somehow failed to change the channel and we were treated to
> :> >an hour of Comedy Central instead. To add insult to injury, we come
> :> >into work today and everyone is talking about how Jerri finally got
> :> >the boot. AAARRGGGGGHHH!
> :>
> :> That's what you get for running Linux.... ;-)
> :
> :Brett, you are a toad. Jordan feels bad enough that has had to reveal one
> :of his dark secrets but too rub salt into the wound by reminding him that
> :TiVo runs Linux is too much even for you. Have you no shame, Sir. ;-)
>
> Surely JKH has his TiVo running under Linux emulation?
that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like
Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16'
in like the USER_AGENT field. And like, I asked Kirk McKusick to visit
something on my site, and I saw a hit from his computer but like the
useragent line jumped out at me and I was like 'WTF!' then someone
reminded me =) It was most amusing at the time.
>
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From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 30 22:22: 4 2001
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Joseph Mallett wrote:
> that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like
> Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16'
> in like the USER_AGENT field. And like, I asked Kirk McKusick to visit
> something on my site, and I saw a hit from his computer but like the
> useragent line jumped out at me and I was like 'WTF!' then someone
> reminded me =) It was most amusing at the time.
That's why I put
sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null
sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null
in /etc/rc.local. There's no way my browser is going to identify itself
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> Spoken like a true spammer. Spammers often defend their actions by saying
> "you can always delete it." Well, that's just not good enough for me. It,
> most certainly, WOULD help to limit posting to subscribers. It might not
> stop all the spam but it would some. Personally, I'd like to see the lists
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> subjects that aren't of interest and you can browse and post (if
> registered/subscribed) from any browser. The archives are nice but you can't
> post without an e-mail account. Spammers prefer e-mail so using a forum
> might even stop more spam. I'm pretty sure FreeBSD could handle a web based
> forum :)
..an age-old discussion. Most of us don't have time to login to forums,
etc., unfortunately.
-C
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I've been receiving spam to various address, all off list, which looks like
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Joseph Mallett <jmallett@newgold.net> wrote:
> that reminds me of something interesting earlier today. I forgot that like
> Netscape-Linux ran under emulation and identified itself as 'Linux 2.2.16'
Hmm. Netscape-Tru64 doesn't do this.
HTTP_USER_AGENT=Mozilla/4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT alpha; Nav)
No fiddling required.
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At 7:20 AM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null
> sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null
Surely you mean:
sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) < /dev/null
sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) < /dev/null
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Thus spake Poul-Henning Kamp (phk@critter.freebsd.dk):
> >Jeez, can't you stick to *one* address so I don't have to update my
> >killfile every other week?
> It works for me using the "IQ < 75" criteria...
Btw, I recently did an IQ test for fun, and I got a result of ~65 or
such.
I found that quite amusing :-)
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Anyone have any knowledge of http://www.ponte.com/ they'd like to
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Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 7:20 AM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote:
>
>> sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) >/dev/null
>> sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) >/dev/null
>
> Surely you mean:
>
> sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=$(uname -s) < /dev/null
> sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=$(uname -r) < /dev/null
>
> instead?!?
Err... no? Since when did sysctl try to read from stdin anyway?
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At 4:58 PM +0100 3/31/01, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Err... no? Since when did sysctl try to read from stdin anyway?
Sorry, my brain-o. I don't know how, but I somehow missed that
"$(uname ... )" stuff in the middle. Sigh....
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To: Dan Langille <dan@langille.org>
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Subject: Re: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com?
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
> I've been receiving spam to various address, all off list, which looks like
> this:
>
> Received: from devel.omnilinux.com ([64.3.133.197]) by
> ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2V84Hf78654 for
> <webmaster@freebsddiary.org>; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:04:18 +1200
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> 00:04:04 -0800
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:04 -0800
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> To: webmaster@freebsddiary.org
> Subject: Merlin Server released by Abriasoft
> Content-Type: text/plain
> From: Abriasoft Promo <promos@abriasoft.com>
> Reply-to: muditm@abriasoft.com
> X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P561C0.CNM
>
>
> Anyone else seen similar?
Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is
spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And
from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I
received, AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an
article at my site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish
an article at your site.)
Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused
to media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate
receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted).
Jeremy C. Reed
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[trying to move this off -hackers]
If memory serves me right, Dennis wrote:
> At 02:18 PM 03/31/2001, David O'Brien wrote:
> >On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 08:49:55PM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote:
> > > Its not a "proprietary tree". I dont have time to clean it up
> > > and submit patches.
> >
> >But you do seem to have time to keep arguing with people???
> >I'm sure you'll have time to bitch again if 4.4 doesn't meet your needs
> >because you didn't submit some patch you needed.
>
> Only because the same morons (like yourself) continue ad infinitum to post
> your useless comments publicly.
As they say, it takes two to tango. About ten messages ago you asked if
someone could just let this thread die. Why don't you take the lead on
this and be that person?
I'm asking nicely and sincerely. That ought to count for something.
Thanks,
Bruce.
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Subject: Re: anyone getting offlist spam via omnilinux.com?
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On 31 Mar 2001, at 11:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is
> spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And
> from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I received,
> AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an article at my
> site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish an article at
> your site.)
>
> Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused to
> media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate
> receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted).
Interesting. You don't consider it spam yet it was sent unsolicited.... I
also received two copies, both to different addresses at
freebsddiary.org. I consider both instances to be spam.
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got any work? I'm looking for some.
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I examined some Hotmail emails that were originating with an abuser
about a year ago and could not find the X-Originating IP in emails sent
to windows or macs (I did view source in both cases). Is it that this
header only shows up on Unix machines? I've noticed that everyone who
has written to point this error out to me is a Unix user.
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 31 Mar 2001, at 11:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
>
> > Yes, I received the exact same message twice. But I do not believe it is
> > spam. The email was sent for two of my sites that I am an editor of. (And
> > from your example, it was sent for your website.) In the emails I received,
> > AbriaSoft simply wants me to review their software for an article at my
> > site. (I guess they want you to review it also and publish an article at
> > your site.)
> >
> > Yes, the emails may have been unsolicited, but they appear to be focused to
> > media sites that are basically related. As a journalist, I appreciate
> > receiving PR/media information (that is appropriately targeted).
>
> Interesting. You don't consider it spam yet it was sent unsolicited.... I
> also received two copies, both to different addresses at
> freebsddiary.org. I consider both instances to be spam.
The emails I received were quite appropriate for my sites:
We noticed that you provide information on open source software, and
we would appreciate it if you consider Merlin Server for a review
and/or a listing on your site. If you would like to write a product
review, please let us know and we can provide you with a copy of the
software.
(I also receive emails from a lot of other PR agencies who also ask me to
review their software, schedule interviews, etc. so I can publish news
about them at my site.)
I see your website has a lot of tutorials on Unix-related software; I see
that your website has articles written by outside contributors. I assume
that no one contributes articles to you, unless you ask them first (?).
Everyone has different opinions of "spam". I removed you from the Cc --
because this email (if sent to you) would be unsolicited.
(On a related note: the emails sent to several of my addresses in regards
to the BSD website a couple weeks ago, I definitely consider as spam --
because it went to my private mailboxes. If had just been sent to my
contact address for my BSD sites, I would have thought differently.)
Jeremy C. Reed
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Dale Chulhan - Home wrote:
> I examined some Hotmail emails that were originating with an abuser
> about a year ago and could not find the X-Originating IP in emails sent
> to windows or macs (I did view source in both cases). Is it that this
> header only shows up on Unix machines? I've noticed that everyone who
I don't think "X-" headers are platform specific. These headers are
generally added by the particular mail program generating or sending the
mail. As far as I can tell (but I didn't look very far), none of the mail
programs or mail processing tools I use (under Unix-type systems), use
that particular header.
When I am curious about a particular IP, I look at the
"Received: from" lines in the headers.
> has written to point this error out to me is a Unix user.
Is it an "error"?
Jeremy C. Reed
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