From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 27 3: 5:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3236037B423 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 03:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fredrik@speechcraft.com) Received: from d1o74.telia.com (d1o74.telia.com [62.20.224.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4RA5AM21429; Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from molly.telia.com (t5o74p76.telia.com [212.181.216.76]) by d1o74.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01793; Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:05:30 +0000 (/etc/localtime) From: Fredrik Olausson X-Sender: fredrik@molly.telia.com To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jmallett@xMach.org, dscheidt@tumbolia.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The desktop apathy In-Reply-To: <20010526152631Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 May 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Apple couldn't have done Aqua as a plain old X window manager. Well, they > > Right - that's something I left out of my previous message. To have > suggested that Apple could have accomplished their goals by simply > bolting a new look-and-feel on top of X was just ludicrous (sorry). Don't apologise, I don't have a clue about the technical parts of OSX so I don't mind being corrected. > They're trying to make an OS that your grandmother could use, with > a good printing model and lots of API support for mainstream apps. > X with a new window manager that most certainly is not. They > were right to start from scratch. Then how much will OSX then benifit the Unix community as a whole? I understand that parts of the Unix model are slightly archaic, but isn't gradual change a la KDE better than just throwing the standards aside and rolling your own? Both QT and GTK allow for good component-based programming similar to the MFC, wouldn't an expansion of the stuff previously written have benefitted both Apple and the rest of the Unix industry? Is there a way to "re-marry" the two? -Fredrik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message