From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 18 0:54: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.Alameda.net [64.81.63.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1025637B405 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 842A63A239; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:53:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:53:56 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: I wanted to share this before I maybe will wipe the machine Message-ID: <20011118005356.Z8046@seven.alameda.net> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DNS root /root # uptime 2:11AM up 1128 days, 15:15, 2 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01 DNS root /root # uname -a FreeBSD DNS.Lamb.net 2.2.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 7 12:17:56 PDT 1997 root@DNS.Lamb.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DNS i386 -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Nov 18 11:46:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8598E37B405 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from c1063714-a.threespace.com ([65.8.240.251]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011118194610.MJZL22550.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1063714-a.threespace.com> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:46:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011118142138.0156e090@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:43:27 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Re: RTFM: it works!! In-Reply-To: <20011116150722.H1363-100000@we-24-126-55-112.we.mediaone.n et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As somebody usually on the low end of the knowledge curve, I had to throw this in on behalf of the perennial neophytes in the group. Sometimes, R'ing the FM is hindered by one's inability to know where to find the FM. Particularly when dealing with Open Source projects, you always get the sense that there may be scads of documentation out there, but where do you find it? It ain't usually on the shelves at your local bookseller. And an Internet search is only as good as your ability to give good search parameters. You want to set up a Windows network? Then type "Windows networking" into your favorite search engine and then sift through half a million pages (most of which are advertising) to find the information you need. Yeah, right. So you ask your resident "expert" or list of experts for the information that you think they may have readily available, hoping to save yourself some time. Well this person has been answering questions far beneath his level of comprehension/interest for the past ten days, and here you come with another stupid one. "Why can't you just read the source code like I did when I was learning and figure it out for yourself? And if it doesn't work, then submit a patch." Idiots like me shouldn't even be allowed to install FreeBSD. Sure would cut down on stupid support questions. Anyway, as somebody who just wants to *do* stuff with FreeBSD/UNIX (as opposed to learning how it all really works at its core), I just had to get that off my chest. I feel better already. :-) --Chip Morton At 06:18 PM 11/16/2001, you wrote: >So I've been playing with Solaris lately. Being a BSD junkie, time still >trying to get used to it. Sure there maybe alot of you out there that >have plenty of Solaris experience, but unfortunately I don't so I have to >do alot of RTFM'ing. Unix started off as a hobby for me, now it's almost >and obsession. ;) > >Luckily, I've been messing with BSD for so many years that it's easy for >me to find the answers that I need with a bit of digging and reading. > >I had a Canon ImageRunner printer that I wanted to print to via the >Solaris box, but I didn't know what rp name to use so I just cracked the >manuals open and found my answer. Now I'm happlly printing. Only took >me about 15-30 minutes to figure everything out (tried a few rp names before >I decided to read the manual). > >Now everyone knows that RTFM'ing is the way to go, and in times when >you're really stuck then you ask the Unix elders to give you a helping >hand. > >I bring up this subject because one of my coworkers never bothers to read >manuals or look up information via the Internet. And it bugs me, because >its me he's always coming to for answers. The one thing that bugs me the >most is when he asks me where the driver disks are for whatever peice of >hardware. I tell him, "DTFD!" When in doubt, just Download The F***** >Drivers. ;) It's not like we have quirky hardware here, most the stuff is >name brand so the drivers are totally available. *sigh* > >Well, I just had to get that off my chest. I feel better now. :) > >Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 19 16:37:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from net2.gendyn.com (nat2.gendyn.com [204.60.171.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4202937B417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [153.11.11.3] (helo=plunger.gdeb.com) by net2.gendyn.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 165yuy-00074x-00 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:37:40 -0500 Received: from clcrtr.gdeb.com ([153.11.109.11]) by plunger.gdeb.com with SMTP id TAA22631 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from gdeb.com (gpz.clc.gdeb.com [192.168.3.12]) by clcrtr.gdeb.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fAK0hsK59366 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:43:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from deischen@gdeb.com) Message-ID: <3BF9A5C7.15A57DEA@gdeb.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:37:27 -0500 From: Daniel Eischen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Internet problems? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've been having problems here trying to get to a lot of places on the Internet (yahoo & sun to name just a couple). From what I can tell, traceroute always seems to get hung up at Alter/Exodus. $ traceroute www.yahoo.com traceroute to www.yahoo.akadns.net (64.58.76.229), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 inet-gw0.pcnet.net (204.213.232.1) 1.106 ms 0.653 ms 1.169 ms 2 Serial1-1-0.GW1.HAR1.ALTER.NET (157.130.0.153) 0.862 ms 0.898 ms 0.840 ms 3 564.at-5-0-0.XR2.BOS4.ALTER.NET (152.63.26.70) 2.607 ms 2.663 ms 2.517 ms 4 178.ATM7-0.GW5.BOS4.ALTER.NET (152.63.25.61) 3.142 ms 2.821 ms 2.564 ms 5 exodus-bos4-oc12-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.60.86) 10.619 ms 4.836 ms 4.742 ms 6 bbr02-g1-0.wlhm01.exodus.net (64.14.70.52) 5.380 ms 5.017 ms 7.302 ms 7 bbr02-p0-0.wlhm03.exodus.net (216.32.173.26) 6.095 ms 6.992 ms 7.009 ms 8 bbr01-p5-0.jrcy01.exodus.net (209.185.9.9) 8.825 ms 8.739 ms 8.906 ms 9 bbr01-p0-1.whkn01.exodus.net (209.1.169.53) 15.364 ms 12.188 ms 13.224 ms Anyone know what's going on? This has been going on for hours. Thanks, -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 3:59: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zork.punq.net (punq.net [207.154.84.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4F9C37B417 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12933 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Nov 2001 11:58:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 03:58:59 -0800 From: Marcus Reid To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree Message-ID: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Coffee-Level: high Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: A letter from Seth LaForge seen at http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree be extremely useful? It seems to me that he makes a couple of excellent points. The reporting of little bugs is often too much of a pain for most end-users of software to vigilantly report the bugs that affect them. I think it might be of benefit to a lot of projects if users could simply cd /usr/ports/some/crapplication && make bugreport. -- Marcus Reid Blazingdot "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 7: 2:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from security2.nrl.navy.mil (security2.nrl.navy.mil [132.250.188.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6509537B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11201 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 15:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO security2.nrl.navy.mil) (132.250.188.6) by security2.nrl.navy.mil with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 15:02:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:02:26 -0500 From: Gary Geisbert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSD - a.k.a. - Microsoft Business Software Division Message-Id: <20011120100226.4706ff14.geisbert@code1200.nrl.navy.mil> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's an article on the Cyclone programming language, and how they referred to BSD as "Microsoft Business Software Division". Let's give a big round of applause for ntsecurity.net http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262 -- Gary Geisbert geisbert@code1200.nrl.navy.mil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 8:39:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260337B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from optusnet.com.au (golax7-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.181.136]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAKGdTg05596 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:39:29 +1100 Message-ID: <3BFA8828.9DB3BDCB@optusnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:43:20 +1000 From: Ian Pulsford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD - a.k.a. - Microsoft Business Software Division References: <20011120100226.4706ff14.geisbert@code1200.nrl.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Geisbert wrote: > > Here's an article on the Cyclone programming language, and how they > referred to BSD as "Microsoft Business Software Division". Let's give a > big round of applause for ntsecurity.net > > http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262 > Actually it was the "*Micsosoft* Business Systems Division", the well known highend software-controlled blender company. IanP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 11:58:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from itouch.co.nz (itouch.co.nz [203.99.66.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E1337B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonc.itouch ([192.168.2.21]) by itouch.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166H2Q-000Pub-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:58:34 +1300 Received: (from jonc@localhost) by jonc.itouch (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAKJwY586000; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:58:34 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:58:34 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Marcus Reid Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree Message-ID: <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com>; from marcus@blazingdot.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > Hi: > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > be extremely useful? That's what send-pr(1) is for. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:16:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127A937B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA6BBCFE; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10990; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:16:11 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAKKEHi74160; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Marcus Reid Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Nov 2001 12:14:16 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> Message-ID: Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > be extremely useful? Well, of course we have send-pr(1) (those with appropriately configured mail systems) and http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#gnats which do most of that, if more awkwardly. A cross-platform system is needed for the many things not maintained by FreeBSD people. Bug report systems which require an e-mail address will loose some bug reports from rabid spam haters and privacy extremists, but maybe it's worth it -- who can say? I've been wondering if a Wiki-type system wouldn't be valueable as a semi-official FreeBSD system as on option for the easist possible reporting of bugs and also for adding documentation. Unfortunately, it would require some volunteers to process the information into real PRs and documents and to restore vandalized Wiki pages (which doesn't seem to be a big problem on Wikis, but I'm no Wike expert). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:34: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4866737B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78151 invoked by uid 100); 20 Nov 2001 20:34:09 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:34:09 -0600 To: Jonathan Chen Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree In-Reply-To: <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan Chen types: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > > Hi: > > > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > > be extremely useful? > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. Except send-pr isn't the right tool use for reporting bugs with ports. They should go to the port maintainer. In the cases where that's ports@freebsd.org, send-pr works. Otherwise, it's wrong. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:43:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from itouch.co.nz (itouch.co.nz [203.99.66.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C6C37B41B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonc.itouch ([192.168.2.21]) by itouch.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166Hjc-0000Sw-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:43:12 +1300 Received: (from jonc@localhost) by jonc.itouch (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAKKhCN86374; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:43:12 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:43:12 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree Message-ID: <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:34:09PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:34:09PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: > Jonathan Chen types: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > > > be extremely useful? > > > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. > > Except send-pr isn't the right tool use for reporting bugs with > ports. They should go to the port maintainer. In the cases where > that's ports@freebsd.org, send-pr works. Otherwise, it's wrong. Well, I'm of the opinion that it should go into the generic bug database. In most cases, the ports-people then reassigns it to the maintainer. In some cases, they find out that the port-maintainer has disappeared, and can reassign or find a a new maintainer. It's also easier to track bug-reports in a central location for everyone that's interested, rather than have the maintainer answer tons of small email. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "If everything's under control, you're going too slow" - Mario Andretti To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:48:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A99E37B418 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 166Hoe-0003Vm-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:48:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree In-Reply-To: <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > > be extremely useful? > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. Does your send-pr help you check the current PRs for a similar or related issue? Does your send-pr allow you to view the text of the PRs? Does your send-pr allow you to follow-up on another existing PR? Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:50:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94F0737B417 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78576 invoked by uid 100); 20 Nov 2001 20:50:36 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15354.49692.861105.524846@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:50:36 -0600 To: Jonathan Chen Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree In-Reply-To: <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan Chen types: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:34:09PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Jonathan Chen types: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > > > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > > > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > > > > be extremely useful? > > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. > > Except send-pr isn't the right tool use for reporting bugs with > > ports. They should go to the port maintainer. In the cases where > > that's ports@freebsd.org, send-pr works. Otherwise, it's wrong. > > Well, I'm of the opinion that it should go into the generic bug database. > In most cases, the ports-people then reassigns it to the maintainer. > In some cases, they find out that the port-maintainer has disappeared, > and can reassign or find a a new maintainer. I'm not familiar with gnats, so I don't know if it can deal with the case of assigning a problem to someone who isn't a committer. Since such people problably don't monitor the bugs database, it also needs to send them an email notice when a bug is assigned to them. If those two things work properly, all that's needed is for someone monitoring the ports mail list to step forward and do the assignment, instead of recommending that people send problem reports to the maintainer. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 12:55:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from itouch.co.nz (itouch.co.nz [203.99.66.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2337B418 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonc.itouch ([192.168.2.21]) by itouch.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166Hvo-0000fz-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:55:48 +1300 Received: (from jonc@localhost) by jonc.itouch (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAKKtlh86485; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:55:47 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:55:47 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree Message-ID: <20011121095547.A86456@jonc.itouch> References: <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from reed@reedmedia.net on Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:48:23PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 12:48:23PM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Jonathan Chen wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:58:59AM -0800, Marcus Reid wrote: > > > > A letter from Seth LaForge seen at > > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > > a little bug-reporting facility integrated into the ports tree > > > be extremely useful? > > > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. > > Does your send-pr help you check the current PRs for a similar or related > issue? > > Does your send-pr allow you to view the text of the PRs? > > Does your send-pr allow you to follow-up on another existing PR? Well, if you've got access to email and a web-browser, yes to all. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older, it starts avoiding you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 13: 1:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454B137B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 166I1D-0003Wb-00; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:01:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Jonathan Chen Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree In-Reply-To: <20011121095547.A86456@jonc.itouch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > http://lwn.net/2001/1115/letters.php3 got me thinking.. Wouldn't > > > That's what send-pr(1) is for. > > > > Does your send-pr help you check the current PRs for a similar or related > > issue? > > > > Does your send-pr allow you to view the text of the PRs? > > > > Does your send-pr allow you to follow-up on another existing PR? > > Well, if you've got access to email and a web-browser, yes to all. That's the point. This thread is about discussing a way to make it easier. So no -- send-pr doesn't do it. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 13:26:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFD937B416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09826; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:26:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011120141856.04aa2150@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:26:03 -0700 To: Gary Geisbert , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSD - a.k.a. - Microsoft Business Software Division In-Reply-To: <20011120100226.4706ff14.geisbert@code1200.nrl.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:02 AM 11/20/2001, Gary Geisbert wrote: >Here's an article on the Cyclone programming language, and how they >referred to BSD as "Microsoft Business Software Division". Let's give a >big round of applause for ntsecurity.net > >http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262 A typical case of irresponsible copy editing. As an author, I see this happen all the time. A copy editor will take it upon him or herself to expand acronyms incorrectly or inappropriately, modify the word ordering of commonly used technical terms, "correct" the grammar of technical idioms, or remove the passive voice (even when it was used intentionally for emphasis or to present concepts in a particular order). Many copy editors seem to feel that if they do not make such arbitrary changes, they are not doing their jobs! But the result is, virtually always, to make the author look foolish or at best unknowledgeable. A small number of responsible publications send proofs back to the author so that he or she can fix these gaffes, but the majority (alas) do not. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 15: 8:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD0537B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EE7BCFE; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23613; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:08:34 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAKN6eV74204; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Jonathan Chen Cc: Mike Meyer , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Nov 2001 15:06:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> Message-ID: <5hzo5hxcsg.o5h@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's also a problem with some system, non-port stuff. I wasted a bunch of time doing a PR only to have it summarily (and rudely, I thought) rejected and told to report it elsewhere. While we're still dreaming of the ideal bug system, I probably should at least try to get some PR web page to list such stuff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 15:13:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAE137B419 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0172DBCFE for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24868 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:13:52 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAKNBxP74207; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD - a.k.a. - Microsoft Business Software Division References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011120141856.04aa2150@localhost> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Nov 2001 15:11:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011120141856.04aa2150@localhost> Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > A typical case of irresponsible copy editing. I'd much rather see some of that than the seemingly usual case of no copy editing (on the Internet). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 15:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6A137B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 99A8B14C2E; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:17:23 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Cc: Jonathan Chen , Mike Meyer , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> <5hzo5hxcsg.o5h@localhost.localdomain> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Nov 2001 00:17:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5hzo5hxcsg.o5h@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) writes: > I wasted a bunch of time doing a PR only to have it summarily > (and rudely, I thought) rejected and told to report it elsewhere. PR number please? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 15:50:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDAC37B41B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA30039 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:50:15 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda30031; Tue Nov 20 15:50:06 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.6/8.9.1) id fAKNnu415133 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(10.1.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdB15123; Tue Nov 20 15:49:44 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id fAKNniu30636 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:49:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200111202349.fAKNniu30636@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdH30633; Tue Nov 20 15:49:34 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeros Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:49:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html :) Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Email: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD Ministry of Management Services Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 16:40:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D532637B41C for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74427BD0F; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15471; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:40:27 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAL0cWV74216; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug reporting integrated into the ports tree References: <20011120035859.A12914@blazingdot.com> <20011121085834.C85915@jonc.itouch> <15354.48705.154268.123909@guru.mired.org> <20011121094312.A86329@jonc.itouch> <5hzo5hxcsg.o5h@localhost.localdomain> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Nov 2001 16:38:32 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1hn11hx8jb.11h@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > PR number please? I omitted identifying details on purpose. It was just a documentation problem which readers could decipher. Thanks anyway, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 19:34:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C437B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64C8786E1; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:04:11 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:04:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: vpatterson@win2000mag.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, misc@OpenBSD.org Subject: http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262# Message-ID: <20011121140411.F98911@monorchid.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The article on this page, entitled "New Cyclone Programming Language: Bugs be Gone!", contains the statement: Linux x86 versions currently support Cyclone. Windows platforms also support Cyclone using Cywin software that provides a UNIX environment for Windows platforms. Although the development team says that they've had success using Cyclone on Micsosoft Business Systems Division (BSD), Irix, and Solaris, your mileage may vary on those OSs. I am not aware of a Microsoft Business Systems Division, but BSD is a registered trade mark of Wind River Systems, and its use is not permitted except to refer to the BSD flavour of UNIX, as represented by BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. On behalf of the BSD community, I would like to ask you to correct this error. Greg Lehey FreeBSD Core Team -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 20: 5:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.uunet.ca (mail1.uunet.ca [209.167.141.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934DE37B41A for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.ak.com (1cust9.tnt4.hamilton.on.da.uu.net [64.10.95.9]) by mail1.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <148368-1914>; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:05:37 -0500 Received: from orion.ak.com ([10.0.0.2]) by orion.ak.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id VGXTX1F6; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:01:40 -0500 Received: by orion.ak.com (Microsoft Exchange Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 4.50.2113) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG11202001-230128-7081.MMD@ak.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:01:28 -0500 Received: from mail6.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.27]) by munin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <783946-13310>; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:36:26 -0500 Received: from openbsd.cs.colorado.edu ([128.138.192.83]) by mail6.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <330043-25158>; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:36:21 -0500 Received: from openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (localhost.cs.colorado.edu [127.0.0.1]) by openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAL3YkWh007258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (domo@localhost) by openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with SMTP id fAL3YRVI016431; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by openbsd.org (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (localhost.cs.colorado.edu [127.0.0.1]) by openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAL3YMWV019918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from domo@localhost) by openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id fAL3YMNv020852 for misc-list; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by openbsd.cs.colorado.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAL3YEWU001980 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64C8786E1; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:04:11 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:34:11 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: vpatterson@win2000mag.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262# Message-ID: <20011121140411.F98911@monorchid.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The article on this page, entitled "New Cyclone Programming Language: Bugs be Gone!", contains the statement: Linux x86 versions currently support Cyclone. Windows platforms also support Cyclone using Cywin software that provides a UNIX environment for Windows platforms. Although the development team says that they've had success using Cyclone on Micsosoft Business Systems Division (BSD), Irix, and Solaris, your mileage may vary on those OSs. I am not aware of a Microsoft Business Systems Division, but BSD is a registered trade mark of Wind River Systems, and its use is not permitted except to refer to the BSD flavour of UNIX, as represented by BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. On behalf of the BSD community, I would like to ask you to correct this error. Greg Lehey FreeBSD Core Team -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 20 21:16: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from torpy.unbc.ca (torpy.unbc.ca [142.207.144.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB6237B405 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ugrad.unbc.ca (ugrad.unbc.ca [142.207.112.20]) by torpy.unbc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA3030883 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (karlj000@localhost) by ugrad.unbc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11159 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:13:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ugrad.unbc.ca: karlj000 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Karlson To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.ntsecurity.net/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=23262# In-Reply-To: <20011121140411.F98911@monorchid.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am not aware of a Microsoft Business Systems Division, but BSD is a > registered trade mark of Wind River Systems, and its use is not > permitted except to refer to the BSD flavour of UNIX, as represented > by BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. > On behalf of the BSD community, I would like to ask you to correct > this error. Heh. The only bright spot in an awful day. This is great. -- Jeremy Charm is a way of getting the answer "Yes" -- without having asked any clear question. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 21 1:27:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604B537B41A; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id fAL9RsE69990; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:27:54 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAKA3uN05231; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:03:56 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200111201003.fAKA3uN05231@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Australian wine (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sym README.sym sym_conf.h sym_defs.h sym_fw.h sym_fw1.h sym_fw2.h sym_hipd.c) References: <20011120104050.T84417@monorchid.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20011120104050.T84417@monorchid.lemis.com> ; from Greg Lehey "Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:40:50 +1030." Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:03:56 +0000 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moved to -chat. > I suppose a lot of this was my fault. I wasn't feeling the brightest > in Brighton, and my sleep rhythm was a little out. Otherwise we > probably would have found a way to ensure they didn't return to > Australia. > > So how about a wine-tasting at the BSDCon in February? Agreed! I'll bring some .ZA wine :-) M -- o Mark Murray \_ FreeBSD Services Limited O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 21 3:54:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stinky.akitanet.co.uk (akita-14.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.206.114.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2E637B405; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paul@localhost) by stinky.akitanet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALBs8P00382; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:54:08 GMT (envelope-from paul) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Paul Robinson To: Mark Murray , Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Australian wine (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sym README.sym sym_conf.h sym_defs.h sym_fw.h sym_fw1.h sym_fw2.h sym_hipd.c) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:54:07 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20011120104050.T84417@monorchid.lemis.com> <200111201003.fAKA3uN05231@grimreaper.grondar.org> In-Reply-To: <200111201003.fAKA3uN05231@grimreaper.grondar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112111540701.00356@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 20 November 2001 10:03 am, Mark Murray wrote: > > So how about a wine-tasting at the BSDCon in February? > > Agreed! I'll bring some .ZA wine :-) And if I make it over to BSDCon, I'll make sure I have some world famous English wine. People always laugh when I say English wine is world famous - it is genuinely famous, although mostly for being astonishingly bad - not exactly the best place in the world for growing vines... I'll just try and bring a keg or three of some proper ale instead. :-) -- Paul Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 21 10:57:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stinky.akitanet.co.uk (akita-14.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.206.114.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E568337B405 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paul@localhost) by stinky.akitanet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fALIvqN00768; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:57:52 GMT (envelope-from paul) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Paul Robinson To: Technical Information , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: RTFM: it works!! Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:57:51 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011118142138.0156e090@threespace.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011118142138.0156e090@threespace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112118575108.00356@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 18 November 2001 7:43 pm, Technical Information wrote: > Sometimes, R'ing the FM is hindered by one's inability to know where to > find the FM. Particularly when dealing with Open Source projects, you > always get the sense that there may be scads of documentation out there, > but where do you find it? It ain't usually on the shelves at your local Which is why when asked for help, even if I know the answer, I'll take the person through finding out for themselves. Through that, they get to see how to find stuff from mailing lists and google, how to use man(1), how to dig through the handbook. After all that, they can normally find out in the future what they need to know. If they come and ask me, I'll ask them what their digging around came up with - if nothing, chances are, it doesn't exist, or they are being lazy. All this whining - no wonder nobody of a non-tech nature wants to come and join the fun. :-) -- Paul Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 21 15:40:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from softweyr.com (softweyr.com [65.88.244.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F5337B405; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from homer.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39] helo=softweyr.com) by softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166hYP-000O5C-00; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3BFC4B04.599B300@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:47:00 -0700 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Greg Lehey , Ruslan Ermilov , G?rard Roudier , Gerard Roudier , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Australian wine (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sym README.sym sym_conf.h sym_defs.h sym_fw.h sym_fw1.h sym_fw2.h sym_hipd.c) References: <20011120104050.T84417@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011115092648.D40270@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011115173030.H1646-100000@gerard> <20011116072258.H72194@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011119160105.F32927@sunbay.com> <200111200350.fAK3oS779538@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <20011120104050.T84417@monorchid.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: > : So how about a wine-tasting at the BSDCon in February? > > I'm all for that. If I can swing it, I'll bring some of my wife's > mead as well. She makes excellent fruity meads. It appears I'll be driving to the Con this year, so I can load up my rather extensive cargo capabilities with local specialities, including "The Unofficial NOT 2002" Amber Ale, and that all-time favorite, "Polygamy Porter". http://www.wasatchbeers.com/pages/beers.html Maybe we can get somebody from Washington (state) to bring us some GOOD wine? ;^) Followups redirected to -chat. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 22 9:55:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A89437B418 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.6] ([194.78.144.27]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.16) with ESMTP id fAMHtX029918 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:55:34 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:55:13 +0100 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List From: Brad Knowles Subject: New "Powered By FreeBSD" Nokia Operator Logo... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I've done some further hacking on the logo, and put it up at . Note that the only way I could finally manage to get this logo transferred to my phone was to use a program called MonkeyLogo on my Palm Vx to manually re-create this picture (what a PITA!) and then send it to myself via SMS. Sigh.... Anyway, I hope others on here get a chance to enjoy this. If anyone has a better B&W image of the "BSD-ie" (read: beastie ;-), or other appropriate B&W graphic that will fit into a 30 pixel by 14 pixel space, please let me know. -- Brad Knowles, H4sICIFgXzsCA2RtYS1zaWcAPVHLbsMwDDvXX0H0kkvbfxiwVw8FCmzAzqqj1F4dy7CdBfn7 Kc6wmyGRFEnvvxiWQoCvqI7RSWTcfGXQNqCUAnfIU+AT8OZ/GCNjRVlH0bKpguJkxiITZqes MxwpSucyDJzXxQEUe/ihgXqJXUXwD9ajB6NHonLmNrUSK9nacHQnH097szO74xFXqtlbT3il wMsBz5cnfCR5cEmci0Rj9u/jqBbPeES1I4PeFBXPUIT1XDSOuutFXylzrQvGyboWstCoQZyP dxX4dLx0eauFe1x9puhoi0Ao1omEJo+BZ6XLVNaVpWiKekxN0VK2VMpmAy+Bk7ZV4SO+p1L/ uErNRS/qH2iFU+iNOtbcmVt9N16lfF7tLv9FXNj8AiyNcOi1AQAA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 22 19:51:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57B037B416 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from c1063714-a.threespace.com ([65.8.240.251]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011123035115.EENS8136.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1063714-a.threespace.com> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:51:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011122224913.01cd3e48@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:50:57 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List From: Technical Information Subject: Re: New "Powered By FreeBSD" Nokia Operator Logo... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you happen to know which Nokia phones happen to support this graphic logo feature? I'm still having problems figuring out custom ring tones. :-/ --Chip Morton At 12:55 PM 11/22/2001, Brad Knowles wrote: >Folks, > > I've done some further hacking on the logo, and put it up at > . > Note that the only way I could finally manage to get this logo > transferred to my phone was to use a program called MonkeyLogo on my Palm > Vx to manually re-create this picture (what a PITA!) and then send it to > myself via SMS. Sigh.... > > Anyway, I hope others on here get a chance to enjoy this. > > > If anyone has a better B&W image of the "BSD-ie" (read: beastie > ;-), or other appropriate B&W graphic that will fit into a 30 pixel by 14 > pixel space, please let me know. > >-- >Brad Knowles, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 22 21:58:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.thpoon.com (CPE0080c8f2c614.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.42.106.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A81F637B405 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 43039 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 05:58:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tea.thpoon.com) (qmailr@192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 05:58:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10075 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Nov 2001 05:58:08 -0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Reentrant readn() and writen() for socket communication From: Arcady Genkin X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 23 Nov 2001 00:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <873d363u6n.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Academic Rigor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stevens' UNIX Network Programming show sample readn()[1] and writen() functions to read/write from/to a socket. The functions handle interrupted read()/write() system calls by examining errno value. This approach is not thread-safe (because of usage of errno global). Is there a reentrant way to detect under-reads/writes, or had I better off with just using recv() with MSG_WAITALL flag? Footnotes: [1] Here's the code of readn() for easy reference: ssize_t readn( int fd, void *vptr, size_t n ) { size_t nleft; ssize_t nread; char *ptr; ptr = vptr; nleft = n; while ( nleft > 0 ) { if ( (nread = read(fd, ptr, nleft)) < 0 ) { if (errno == EINTR) nread = 0; /* and call read() again */ else return (-1); } else if ( nread == 0 ) break; /* EOF */ nleft -= nread; ptr += nread; } return (n - nleft); /* >= 0 */ } Many thanks, -- Arcady Genkin i=1; while 1, hilb(i); i=i+1; end To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 22 22:39:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.thpoon.com (CPE0080c8f2c614.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.42.106.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4016F37B405 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 43182 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 06:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tea.thpoon.com) (qmailr@192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 06:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 10131 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Nov 2001 06:39:30 -0000 To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: AUUG conference (was: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/sym README.sym sym_conf.h sym_defs.h sym_fw.h sym_fw1.h sym_fw2.h sym_hipd.c) References: <20011115092648.D40270@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011115173030.H1646-100000@gerard> <20011116072258.H72194@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011115233727.T6136@tao.org.uk> <20011116101247.E62122@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011115234617.U6136@tao.org.uk> <20011116102753.F62122@monorchid.lemis.com> <20011116112322.J62122@monorchid.lemis.com> From: Arcady Genkin X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 23 Nov 2001 01:39:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87wv0i2dp9.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Academic Rigor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > http://www.auug.org.au/winter/auug2001/photos/room-party/p0001821.jpg > > Who's the poor lady and what are you doing to her? :) ... and what's that big tube sticking out of your mouth? ;^) [/you/ meaning the guy in the picture] -- Arcady Genkin i=1; while 1, hilb(i); i=i+1; end To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 23 2:55:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3861937B405 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 167E1B-000B89-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:57:13 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: ISBN for latest C standard Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:57:13 +0200 Message-ID: <42788.1006513033@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I'm looking for the ISBN number for the latest C standard from the IEEE. Can anyone help me? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 23 6:27:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9137B4EC for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 06:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4319C14C2E; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:27:35 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reentrant readn() and writen() for socket communication References: <873d363u6n.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 23 Nov 2001 15:27:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <873d363u6n.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arcady Genkin writes: > The functions handle interrupted read()/write() system calls by > examining errno value. This approach is not thread-safe (because of > usage of errno global). In FreeBSD, errno is local to each thread. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 23 8:31:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from saffron.via-net-works.ie (saffron.via-net-works.ie [212.17.32.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357EE37B416 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nectarine.dialups.via-net-works.ie ([212.17.34.153] helo=cooperationireland.org) by saffron.via-net-works.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 167JEo-0007zf-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:31:39 +0000 Received: from IT3 (it3 [199.107.2.144]) by cooperationireland.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fANGVbv48187 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:31:38 GMT (envelope-from relyod@cooperationireland.org) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011123162453.00bb86d0@199.107.2.1> X-Sender: relyod@199.107.2.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:24:53 +0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Mike Doyle Subject: Looking for sendmail logfile analysis tool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd ideally like something that does a similar type of analysis of sendmail logs to what Webalizer does for apache and squid log files. Can't find anything in the Ports, though I may be looking in the wrong place, nor do any of the links on the sendmail.org site seem immediately obvious. Any hints ? <>< ============================================================= ><> Michael Doyle email: relyod@cooperationireland.org Network Administrator personal email: relyod@indigo.ie Co-operation Ireland http://www.cooperationireland.org/ Phone: +353-1-661 0588 Fax: +353-1-661 8456 ********************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 23 9: 5:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611E537B418 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.247.143.155.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.143.155] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 167JlT-00006e-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:05:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3BFE8202.BC9195D1@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:06:10 -0800 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Doyle Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for sendmail logfile analysis tool References: <3.0.5.32.20011123162453.00bb86d0@199.107.2.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Doyle wrote: > > I'd ideally like something that does a similar type > of analysis of sendmail logs to what Webalizer does for > apache and squid log files. > > Can't find anything in the Ports, though I may be looking in the > wrong place, nor do any of the links on the sendmail.org site > seem immediately obvious. > > Any hints ? Contact Mark Peek @ whicstle.com. Tell him to look in the /data/mail/sendmail directory on Alpo. There are two shell scripts there. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 23 10:37:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from news.lucky.net (news.lucky.net [193.193.193.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCFF37B405 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by news.lucky.net (8.Who.Cares/8.Who.Cares) id UOK32393 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:37:26 +0200 (envelope-from artem@inobject.com) From: "Artem Zagorulko" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: unicode Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:04:58 +0200 Organization: Fidolook Express 2.000 www.fidolook.da.ru Message-ID: <9tll0f$36b$1@bn.utel.com.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bn.utel.com.ua 1006524239 3275 212.113.40.176 (23 Nov 2001 14:03:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@utel.net.ua X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Fidolook Express 2.000 for MS OE5 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1971401476 Hi, all! I use g++ 2.95.3 and need to work with unicode:(. But there are no functions like a swprintf(), swscanf(), fwprintf() ets. Does it receive with newest version of g++. If not what do I have to do? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 0: 5:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EF037B416 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 167Xo8-0005y7-00; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:05:04 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:05:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Mike Doyle Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for sendmail logfile analysis tool In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011123162453.00bb86d0@199.107.2.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Mike Doyle wrote: > I'd ideally like something that does a similar type > of analysis of sendmail logs to what Webalizer does for > apache and squid log files. Have a look at http://www.reedmedia.net/software/sendmail_stats/ Maybe it can help. sendmail_stats reports: * Time/date of log beginning and end * Total bytes transferred and total MB transferred * Total bytes in and total MB in * Number of messages sent out * Number of messages coming in * Messages per hour graph * Top 20 sending hosts * Total number of sending hosts and number of their attempted messages * Top 20 destination hosts * Total number of destination hosts and number of messages sent to them * Top 20 local deliveries * Total number of local accounts that received mail * Total number of messages delivered locally * Top 20 senders * Total number of senders and total number of messages sent I rarely use sendmail anymore. I have received several patches for it that I still need to integrate and release. Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 6:33:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEB837B405 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 06:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.153.187]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011124143336.JDJT28953.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:33:36 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAOEXSn14373; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:33:28 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03319; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:32:49 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:32:48 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Re: New "Powered By FreeBSD" Nokia Operator Logo... Message-ID: <20011124143248.B273@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011122224913.01cd3e48@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011122224913.01cd3e48@threespace.com>; from tech_info@threespace.com on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 10:50:57PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 10:50:57PM -0500, Technical Information wrote: > Do you happen to know which Nokia phones happen to support this graphic > logo feature? I'm still having problems figuring out custom ring tones. :-/ > > --Chip Morton AFAIK, every GSM model Nokia has sold here in Europe for the last couple of years has this feature. I'm not so sure about their US models -- a lot of them aren't GSM and they seem to lag behind the European releases a bit. As for software for getting the logos onto the phone, I can highly recommend LogoManager (http://www.logomanager.co.uk/); that site should also be able to tell you exactly which models are supported. Windows-only, unfortunately, but a useful bit of software nevertheless. The comms/gnokii port may also do the trick. Again, I disclaim all knowledge of whether any of this applies to non-GSM handsets. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 9: 7:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFEB437B418 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24541 invoked by uid 100); 24 Nov 2001 17:03:26 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15359.53982.352684.717547@guru.mired.org> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:03:26 -0600 To: Scott Mitchell Cc: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Re: New "Powered By FreeBSD" Nokia Operator Logo... In-Reply-To: <20011124143248.B273@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011122224913.01cd3e48@threespace.com> <20011124143248.B273@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott Mitchell types: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 10:50:57PM -0500, Technical Information wrote: > > Do you happen to know which Nokia phones happen to support this graphic > > logo feature? I'm still having problems figuring out custom ring tones. :-/ > > --Chip Morton > AFAIK, every GSM model Nokia has sold here in Europe for the last couple of > years has this feature. I'm not so sure about their US models -- a lot of > them aren't GSM and they seem to lag behind the European releases a bit. They lag behind because a lot of them aren't GSM. Even with the GSM phones, the features list is tailored to the carrier. If I can set the logo on my GSM Nokia, it isn't listed in the manual. Want to try SMS'ing it to me? http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 9:36:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E63737B41A for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.153.94]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011124173205.QWEN23920.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:32:05 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAOHW2n14801; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:32:02 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04626; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:30 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:31:29 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Mike Meyer Cc: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: Re: New "Powered By FreeBSD" Nokia Operator Logo... Message-ID: <20011124173129.C273@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011122224913.01cd3e48@threespace.com> <20011124143248.B273@localhost> <15359.53982.352684.717547@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <15359.53982.352684.717547@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 11:03:26AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 11:03:26AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: > They lag behind because a lot of them aren't GSM. Even with the GSM > phones, the features list is tailored to the carrier. If I can set the > logo on my GSM Nokia, it isn't listed in the manual. > > Want to try SMS'ing it to me? Sure, send me your number. It'll have to wait until Monday though -- my data cable is at the office (and IR doesn't work on the Win2K box at home) so I won't be able to get it onto my own phone until then... Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 16:32:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (cpe-66-1-147-119.ca.sprintbbd.net [66.1.147.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748A037B405 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by sharmas.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2C62A5E332; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:36:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:36:47 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: IBM Public license compatible ? Message-ID: <20011124163647.B24114@sharma-home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know ? --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: arun@sharma-home.net Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by sharmas.dhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E855E074 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAOMRVB11697; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:27:31 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ache) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:27:31 +0300 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Arun Sharma Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: charmap for UTF-8 Message-ID: <20011124222731.GC11600@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20011123221320.A18485@sharma-home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011123221320.A18485@sharma-home.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 22:13:20 -0800, Arun Sharma wrote: > I was trying to define a collation order for hi_IN.UTF-8 and found that > there is an existing charmap file for UTF-8 published by IBM under > IBM public license. > > http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/oss/cvs/locale/ul/src/cmap/charmap.utf8?sortby=rev I don't know details of IBM public license. If it have no additional restrictions compared with FreeBSD license, it could be used. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 24 21:24: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD84337B419 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02218; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:23:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011124220927.04a0dcf0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:23:42 -0700 To: Arun Sharma , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Public license compatible ? In-Reply-To: <20011124163647.B24114@sharma-home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:36 PM 11/24/2001, Arun Sharma wrote: >Does anyone know ? The IBM Public License is more like BSD than the GPL. (When you distribute a derivative work, there's an obligation to state how source code may be obtained, but you do not have to provide it unconditionally or for free.) There's also a significant amount of verbiage about patent claims. See http://www.research.ibm.com/jikes/license/license3.htm --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message