From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Nov 25 13:49:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from axel.truedestiny.net (b76168.upc-b.chello.nl [212.83.76.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C337B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axel.truedestiny.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9542A49A24 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:49:47 +0100 (CET) Received: by axel.truedestiny.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26D5E49A23; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:49:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:49:45 +0100 From: Axel Scheepers To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Subject: mosix lookalike for fBSD ? Message-ID: <20011125224944.C7404@mars.thuis> Reply-To: Axel Scheepers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Recently I experiented with some linux boxes running mosix. I was wondering if there is a somewhat similar solution for FreeBSD ? Now I use pvm for some small test things and have to say that it works pretty well (cross platform etc.) My environnement exists of 3 fBSD boxes, all pentium class machines and a somewhat better workstation which runs solaris Intel (Can't afford a 'real' sun ;-) After looking at mosix I liked the fact that you can dynamically upgrade in performance by adding nodes without having to change software, which is imho ideal for a large scale low cost application server for X. Can anyone point out some starting points of similar projects for FreeBSD ? I noticed that this list isn't quite busy and so I thought I might ask this in the wrong list(only tech notes etc..), if so I'm sorry for the inconvience. Thanks in advance, -- Axel Scheepers UNIX System Administrator email: axel@axel.truedestiny.net ascheepers@vianetworks.nl http://axel.truedestiny.net/~axel ------------------------------------------ Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down ------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Nov 25 15:23: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from elm.phenome.org (elm.phenome.org [194.153.169.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5328437B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from elm.phenome.org (joshua@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elm.phenome.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fAPNMtJA003912; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:22:55 GMT Received: (from joshua@localhost) by elm.phenome.org (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fAPNMnLB003910; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:22:49 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:22:49 +0000 From: Joshua Goodall To: Axel Scheepers Cc: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mosix lookalike for fBSD ? Message-ID: <20011125232249.A11675@roughtrade.net> References: <20011125224944.C7404@mars.thuis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011125224944.C7404@mars.thuis> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 10:49:45PM +0100, Axel Scheepers wrote: > Hi, > Recently I experiented with some linux boxes running mosix. I was wondering > if there is a somewhat similar solution for FreeBSD ? Bottom line: no. Mosix was at some point developed for BSD/OS (92-93) but that work is long since obsoleted. > After looking at mosix I liked the fact that you can dynamically upgrade > in performance by adding nodes without having to change software, which > is imho ideal for a large scale low cost application server for X. well... if your application is primarily computation, it's applicable. But your application is X; that's mostly communication-bound or unmigrateable (local framebuffers etc). Y'see, Mosix has trouble when it comes to migrating things like socket endpoints. > Can anyone point out some starting points of similar projects for FreeBSD ? > I noticed that this list isn't quite busy and so I thought I might ask this > in the wrong list(only tech notes etc..), if so I'm sorry for the inconvience. > Thanks in advance, AFAIK there aren't any. The KSE work occuring in -current may lead to a framework that could be extended to handle process migration, but not before 2003 (based on current expected release dates) Joshua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Nov 25 16:33:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from axel.truedestiny.net (b76168.upc-b.chello.nl [212.83.76.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2562737B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axel.truedestiny.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E13D49A24; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:33:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by axel.truedestiny.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6365349A23; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:33:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:33:43 +0100 From: Axel Scheepers To: Joshua Goodall Cc: Axel Scheepers , freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mosix lookalike for fBSD ? Message-ID: <20011126013343.A79127@mars.thuis> Reply-To: Axel Scheepers References: <20011125224944.C7404@mars.thuis> <20011125232249.A11675@roughtrade.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011125232249.A11675@roughtrade.net>; from joshua@roughtrade.net on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:22:49PM +0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:22:49PM +0000, Joshua Goodall wrote: > Y'see, Mosix has trouble when it comes to migrating things like > socket endpoints. > Oops, sorry I didn't know that. Does anyone know a different way to acomplish a clusterized X application server, of course preferrably running *BSD ? -- Axel Scheepers UNIX System Administrator email: axel@axel.truedestiny.net ascheepers@vianetworks.nl http://axel.truedestiny.net/~axel ------------------------------------------ Think big. Pollute the Mississippi. ------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Sun Nov 25 18:12: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.noos.fr (camus.noos.net [212.198.2.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3D837B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 121992703 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2001 02:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cdlpc) ([212.198.229.145]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.70 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Nov 2001 02:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c1761f$b1e31e80$91e5c6d4@cybercable.fr> Reply-To: "Cyrille Lefevre" From: "Cyrille Lefevre" To: "Axel Scheepers" , "Joshua Goodall" Cc: References: <20011125224944.C7404@mars.thuis> <20011125232249.A11675@roughtrade.net> <20011126013343.A79127@mars.thuis> Subject: Re: mosix lookalike for fBSD ? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:11:39 +0100 Organization: ACME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Axel Scheepers" wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:22:49PM +0000, Joshua Goodall wrote: > > Y'see, Mosix has trouble when it comes to migrating things like > > socket endpoints. http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/txt_applications.html says : Who will currently not benefit much Communication bound applications - with little computation. This will be resolved when we finish the development of a ``migratable socket''. I see this sentence for a long time, now... > Oops, sorry I didn't know that. Does anyone know a different way to > acomplish a clusterized X application server, of course preferrably > running *BSD ? Cyrille. - -- Cyrille Lefevre home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAGy5BrcilDwD0PGEQKiVwCfVUwchJR86vM+IJWoUPt3BX2YLhQAn3UP yfYMxGGrsu8C24ZWYXsM/zpK =fERB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message