From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 0:10:38 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 00:10:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mco-d3.ecui.com (unknown [64.182.83.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A3837B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 00:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Schneemann [62.155.169.150] by mco-d3.ecui.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id AAF3102006A; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 03:08:19 -0500 From: To: hjer@gmx.ch Cc: Subject: 20001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <200101010309589.SM01128@Schneemann> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:12:49 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org EUCH ALLEN EIN GESUNDES UND FROHES 2001 _____________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 7:30: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 07:30:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DD337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuriyama@localhost) by castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org (8.11.1+3.4W/8.11.1) id f01FU3h32667; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:30:03 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kuriyama) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 00:30:03 +0900 (JST) From: Jun Kuriyama Message-Id: <200101011530.f01FU3h32667@castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: doc/www build failure report Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org o www building failed with log: ============================================================ ===> ja_JP.eucJP/articles ===> ja_JP.eucJP/articles/diskless-x ===> ja_JP.eucJP/articles/multi-os ===> ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/book.sgml ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man1 ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5 ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6 ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man7 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man7 ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man8 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man8 ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbook ===> zh_TW.Big5 ===> zh_TW.Big5/books ===> zh_TW.Big5/books/faq touch /home/kuriyama/build/result/doc-all.done *** doc-all finished at Mon Jan 1 20:33:29 JST 2001 *** ============================================================ More information about this: http://home.jp.FreeBSD.org/~kuriyama/docbuild/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 7:44:17 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 07:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mco-d3.ecui.com (unknown [64.182.83.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509D937B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from Schneemann [62.155.169.150] by mco-d3.ecui.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A69F102006A; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 03:58:07 -0500 From: To: hjer@gmx.ch Cc: Subject: 20001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <200101010359282.SM01128@Schneemann> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:46:27 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org EUCH ALLEN EIN GESUNDES UND FROHES 2001 _____________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 11: 0:26 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 11:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FB137B404 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01J0JP07961 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101011900.f01J0JP07961@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 11:40:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 11:40:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mco-d3.ecui.com (unknown [64.182.83.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E500F37B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Schneemann [62.155.169.150] by mco-d3.ecui.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A37A102006A; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 03:44:42 -0500 From: To: hjer@gmx.ch Cc: Subject: 20001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20010101034516.SM01128@Schneemann> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:42:50 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org EUCH ALLEN EIN GESUNDES UND FROHES 2001 _____________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 12: 0:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 12:00:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E809937B698 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01K08E16089; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101012000.f01K08E16089@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, olgeni@uli.it Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C11337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EB832E92 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:53:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01JrKQ68469; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:53:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200101011953.f01JrKQ68469@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:53:20 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24005: ipsec_set_policy.3 typo fix: ispec -> ipsec Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24005 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ipsec_set_policy.3 typo fix: ispec -> ipsec >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 01 12:00:08 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: >Description: Typo in ipsec_set_policy.3: ispec -> ipsec. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch for /usr/src/lib/libipsec/ipsec_set_policy.3: *** ipsec_set_policy.3.orig Mon Jan 1 14:51:53 2001 --- ipsec_set_policy.3 Mon Jan 1 14:56:01 2001 *************** *** 251,257 **** on errors. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr ipsec_strerror 3 , ! .Xr ispec 4 , .Xr setkey 8 .Sh HISTORY The functions first appeared in WIDE/KAME IPv6 protocol stack kit. --- 251,257 ---- on errors. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr ipsec_strerror 3 , ! .Xr ipsec 4 , .Xr setkey 8 .Sh HISTORY The functions first appeared in WIDE/KAME IPv6 protocol stack kit. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 12: 0:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 12:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDCA37B402 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01K08q16080; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101012000.f01K08q16080@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, olgeni@uli.it Received: from vega.uli.it (vega.uli.it [62.212.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C965837B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from olgeni.localdomain.net (olgeni.uli.it [62.212.0.22]) by vega.uli.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016F632E92 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:52:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (from olgeni@localhost) by olgeni.localdomain.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01Jqi668355; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:52:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olgeni) Message-Id: <200101011952.f01Jqi668355@olgeni.localdomain.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:52:44 +0100 (CET) From: olgeni@uli.it Reply-To: olgeni@uli.it To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24004: setkey.8 layout fixes Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24004 >Category: docs >Synopsis: setkey.8 layout fixes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 01 12:00:03 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jimmy Olgeni >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Colby >Environment: >Description: Some meta-argument entries miss the .Pp request used in the man page to separate list items. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Patch for /usr/src/usr.sbin/setkey/setkey.8: *** setkey.8.orig Mon Jan 1 14:53:44 2001 --- setkey.8 Mon Jan 1 14:57:20 2001 *************** *** 184,189 **** --- 184,190 ---- .\" .Pp Meta-arguments are as follows: + .Pp .Bl -tag -compact -width Ds .It Ar src .It Ar dst *************** *** 331,336 **** --- 332,338 ---- .Ar calgo are specified in separate section. .\" + .Pp .It Ar src_range .It Ar dst_range These are selections of the secure communication specified as *************** *** 360,365 **** --- 362,368 ---- .Ar dst . They must be in numeric form. .\" + .Pp .It Ar upperspec Upper-layer protocol to be used. Currently *************** *** 378,383 **** --- 381,387 ---- as it requires extra reassembly at forwarding node .Pq not implemented at this moment . .\" + .Pp .It Ar policy .Ar policy is the one of following: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:17:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2952F37B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01NHnX46863; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:17:49 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012317.f01NHnX46863@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:17:18 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I've committed a fix for this in -current, will probably MFC shortly. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19818 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:27:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3878437B402; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01NRZw47785; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:27:35 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012327.f01NRZw47785@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24005: ipsec_set_policy.3 typo fix: ispec -> ipsec Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ipsec_set_policy.3 typo fix: ispec -> ipsec State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:27:21 GMT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24005 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:32:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:32:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D44037B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01NW9W48336; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012332.f01NW9W48336@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olgeni@uli.it, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24004: setkey.8 layout fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: setkey.8 layout fixes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:31:59 GMT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24004 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:42:45 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:42:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2B437B6A7; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01Nggj49499; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012342.f01Nggj49499@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23769: /usr/share/examples/atapi is empty Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: /usr/share/examples/atapi is empty Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23769 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:43: 2 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0FC37B402; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01Ngvn49566; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012342.f01Ngvn49566@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23772: /usr/share/examples/svr4 is empty Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: /usr/share/examples/svr4 is empty Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23769 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23772 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 15:43:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 15:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA5F37B400; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01Nh8h49634; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101012343.f01Nh8h49634@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23868: /usr/share/doc/psd/19.curses is empty Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: /usr/share/doc/psd/19.curses is empty Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23769 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23772 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jan 1 23:42:24 GMT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: And this one... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23868 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 17: 8:40 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 17:08:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C433B37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial-195-14-251-239.netcologne.de [195.14.251.239]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05647; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:08:36 +0100 (MET) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA83028; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:09:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:09:17 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200101020109.CAA83028@oranje.my.domain> X-Authentication-Warning: oranje.my.domain: marc set sender to van.woerkom@netcologne.de using -f From: Marc van Woerkom To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ update - wheeled mouse under XF4 Reply-To: 3d@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, could someone review and if ok commit this one: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23324 Thanks, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 17:10:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 17:10:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2DB37B402 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f021A9l60437; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:10:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101020110.f021A9l60437@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8131237B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26884; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200101020102.RAA26884@cfcl.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24010: assorted problems with hier(7) man page Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24010 >Category: docs >Synopsis: assorted problems with hier(7) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 01 17:10:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: This PR contains a variety of problems that are related to the hier(7) manual page. Once these problems are fixed, it might be nice to spruce up the page's format a bit... There are no listings for /usr/include/dev/{ppbus,ntfs,nwfs}. "msdosfs/ Chatacter set conversion tables" --- "msdosfs/ Character set conversion tables" There are no listings for /usr/libdata/{doscmd,doscmd/fonts, ldscripts} and no information in the /usr/libdata/gcc entry. "stallion/ holding the download firmware images" --- "stallion/ download images for Stallion firmware; see stlload(8)" There is no real information in the libdata/tcl entry. There are no listings for /usr/libexec/{lpr/ru,sendmail}. The entry for /usr/local is a bit garbled and incomplete. How about: local/ local executables, libraries, etc. Also used as the default destination for the FreeBSD ports framework. local/ should use the general layout sketched out by hier(7) for /usr. Exceptions are the man directory (directly under local/, rather than under local/share/), ports documentation (in share/doc//), and /usr/local/etc (mimics /etc). In /usr, the "ports" entry should be "ports/" (it's a directory). /usr/share/fonts has questions marks for its description; the actual directory is empty. Wazzup? /usr/share/locale is described as being for "internationalization files"; isn't it actually used for "localization files"? /usr/share/misc/termcap is described, but does not seem to exist. There is no listing for /usr/tmp. The listings in /usr/share/dict are not sorted alphabetically. Also, neither /usr/share/dict/{papers,special} seem to exist. The entry for /usr/share/doc has several problems. It lists "FAQ", rather than "faq" and totally fails to list a number of entries. "syscons/ console staff; see syscons(4)" --- "syscons/ console stuff; see syscons(4)" "src/ BSD and/or local source files" --- "src/ BSD, third-party, and/or local source files" Also, the /usr/src/{crypto,secure} entries should be "crypto/" and "secure/" (they are directories). There is no entry for /usr/src/CVS. The entry for /usr/src/contrib should read "src for file from contributed software" --- "src for files from contributed software" "tools used for maintaince and testing of FreeBSD" --- "tools used for maintenance and testing of FreeBSD" "architecture independant files" --- "architecture-independent files" The entry for /var/crash should read "default drectory to store kernel crash dumps; ..." --- "default directory to store kernel crash dumps; ..." There is no text in the description line for /var/cron. The entry for /var/cron/log is in error; this file is now in /var/log. There are entries for /var/quotas and /var/spool/secretmail, but no such directories exist. >How-To-Repeat: man hier >Fix: Edit the hier(7) man page. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jan 1 20:40: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 20:40:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A444737B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f024e2H82384; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101020440.f024e2H82384@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Crist J. Clark" Subject: Re: docs/23251: exports(5) man page erroneous in 4.2-STABLE Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark" Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23251; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Crist J. Clark" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, hunter@dina.kvl.dk Cc: Subject: Re: docs/23251: exports(5) man page erroneous in 4.2-STABLE Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:37:12 -0800 Off the top of my head, I do not see what is wrong with the example provided. However, does PR docs/23950 solve or partially solve this problem? -- Crist J. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 2 3:25:23 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 03:25:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mco-d1.ecui.com (unknown [64.182.83.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E8537B698; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gesundes neues [217.80.21.80] by mco-d1.ecui.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A86934B0050; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:15:53 +0100 From: To: merlyewn@gmx.ch Cc: Subject: ein gesundes Neues 2001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <200101021217586.SM00960@gesundes neues> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:22:42 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org EIN GESUNDES JAHR 2001 WIR WÜNSCHEN ALLEN EIN GESUNDS JAHR 2001 ! _______________________________________________________________________________ Versand mit PS@mail.exe http://www.aquadrat.de/download/psmail.htm _______________________________________________________________________________ http://www.selfproducer.de http://www.stripline.de ------------------------------- mit der Registrierung dieses Programmes entfallen alle Werbeeinblenungen und Fusszeilen --------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 2 17:20:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 17:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE4337B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f031K9040990; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:20:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101030120.f031K9040990@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620F37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA37370; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:18:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200101030118.RAA37370@cfcl.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24033: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24033 >Category: docs >Synopsis: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 02 17:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The SEE ALSO section of the vi(1) manual page puts more(1) in section 3: "ctags(1), more(3), curses(3), dbopen(3)" It should say: "ctags(1), more(3), curses(3), dbopen(3)" >How-To-Repeat: man vi >Fix: as above >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 2 18:30:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 18:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE53D37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f032U1R50391; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:30:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101030230.f032U1R50391@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: docs/24033: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 Reply-To: Rich Morin Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/24033; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Rich Morin To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/24033: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:19:16 -0800 Erm, the line should be "ctags(1), more(1), curses(3), dbopen(3)" ^ -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jan 2 21:10: 5 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 21:10:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3460C37B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f035A1U76007; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101030510.f035A1U76007@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, bnjf@optushome.com.au Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662E737B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0355T675218; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200101030505.f0355T675218@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: bnjf@optushome.com.au Sender: nobody@freebsd.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/24035: ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24035 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 02 21:10:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brad Forschinger >Release: 4.2-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD betwixt.uliginous.dyndns.org 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #9: Fri Dec 1 17:05:12 EST 2000 root@betwixt.uliginous.dyndns.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/BETWIXT i386 >Description: in the man pge PT_STEP The traced process is single stepped one instruction. The addr and data fields are not used. this is a lie. you must feed ptrace() a valid value for addr, just like PT_CONTINUE >How-To-Repeat: try and ptrace(PT_STEP, pid, 0, 0) something ;) >Fix: let users know that the addr is required >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 0:31:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 00:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.raditex.se (mail.raditex.se [192.5.36.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823D737B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.Raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by ns.raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23312; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:31:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: from frodo.sickla.raditex.se (frodo.sickla.raditex.se [192.168.37.9]) by gandalf.Raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA91476; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:31:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by frodo.sickla.raditex.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f038VQr62072; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:31:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f Sender: kaj@frodo.sickla.raditex.se To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/24033: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 References: <200101030230.f032U1R50391@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Rasmus Kaj Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 03 Jan 2001 09:31:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: Rich Morin's message of "Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:30:01 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: <847l4d2g0x.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "RM" == Rich Morin writes: RM> Erm, the line should be RM> "ctags(1), more(1), curses(3), dbopen(3)" RM> ^ And the fix seems to be simply to apply the following patch to /usr/src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.man/vi.1 : --- vi.1.orig Wed Jan 3 09:30:39 2001 +++ vi.1 Wed Jan 3 09:30:45 2001 @@ -1553,7 +1553,7 @@ 2nd choice for local directory startup file. .SH SEE ALSO .IR ctags (1), -.IR more (3), +.IR more (1), .IR curses (3), .IR dbopen (3) .sp -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Money is the root of all evil. Send $9.95 for more info \----------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 1:34:23 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 01:34:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E66037B402; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f01LYli00440; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:34:47 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:34:47 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: sam1600@iname.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? Message-ID: <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:50:16AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:50:16AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > Please tell me where I can download the freebsd > > manual in html format. > > > > I looked here: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/ > > I'm not sure the handbook is available from the FreeBSD FTP server as a > single HTML file. It certainly should be. See question 17 of the FAQ. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 3:16:24 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 03:16:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4106A37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from toad.stack.nl (toad.ipv6.stack.nl [2001:610:1108:5010:200:e8ff:fe55:346d]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2E214EE4 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:16:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by toad.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 816) id 2AE21975D; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:16:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: manpage To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:16:21 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010103111622.2AE21975D@toad.stack.nl> From: marcov@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (4.2 release and 5.0 current checked) man page syscons has a reference to 5 screenmap, a man page that doesn't exists. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 3:20: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 03:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0837B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03BK2G39891; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:20:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101031120.f03BK2G39891@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, ue@nathan.ruhr.de Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr3.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B59737B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4562 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2001 11:13:14 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f03BFLw51956; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:15:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Message-Id: <200101031115.f03BFLw51956@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:15:21 +0100 (CET) From: Udo Erdelhoff Reply-To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24041: Wrong path in FAQ (startup-config-files) Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24041 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Wrong path in FAQ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 03 03:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Udo Erdelhoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: FreeBSD German Documentation Projekt >Environment: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml, revision 1.132 Chapter seven, first question >Description: The answer to the question "Where are the system start-up configuration files?" gives "/usr/local/etc.rd" as the directory for local startup files. That should be "/usr/local/etc/rc.d". Patch below The typo was found by Dirk Gouders during a review of the German version of the FAQ. >How-To-Repeat: Read the FAQ >Fix: Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.132 diff -u -r1.132 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2001/01/01 05:09:56 1.132 +++ book.sgml 2001/01/03 11:04:09 @@ -4876,7 +4876,7 @@ &prompt.root; echo named_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf To start up local services in FreeBSD 3.1 or later, place - shell scripts in the /usr/local/etc.rd + shell scripts in the /usr/local/etc/rc.d directory. These shell scripts should be set executable, and end with a .sh. In FreeBSD 3.0 and earlier releases, you should edit the /etc/rc.local file. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 10:33:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C71737B400; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03IXkE99712; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101031833.f03IXkE99712@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rdm@cfcl.com, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24033: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: vi(1) man page puts more(1) in section 3 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Wed Jan 3 18:33:34 GMT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24033 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 10:37:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5247937B400; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03IbhD00438; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101031837.f03IbhD00438@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24041: Wrong path in FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Wrong path in FAQ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Wed Jan 3 18:37:28 GMT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24041 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 10:38:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:38:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F418337B400; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16697; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03Icjm65863; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , sam1600@iname.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? In-Reply-To: <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:34:47 +0000." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-563475004P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:38:45 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-563475004P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:50:16AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > Please tell me where I can download the freebsd > > > manual in html format. > > > > > > I looked here: > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/ > > > > I'm not sure the handbook is available from the FreeBSD FTP server as a > > single HTML file. > > It certainly should be. See question 17 of the FAQ. I agree that it should be, but the original poster said he couldn't find it and I can't either. This is where I just looked: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ We have versions of the handbook in pdb, pdf, ps, rtf, and txt format, compressed with bz2, gz, and zip. HTML is not one of these. :-( I'm not that familiar with the way we build the docs for our Web site, so I can't comment further. One other thing I noticed: the modification dates for the aforementioned files are all "Dec 20 00:47". Are these files supposed to get updated more frequently? Bruce. --==_Exmh_-563475004P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6U3G02MoxcVugUsMRAtHpAJ9h57yqWHBPpnIabfeb4a4RsAul3QCdEIsd Lp0vJ/J8muiIFT3RW5AbeFg= =rChm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-563475004P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 11:25:29 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 11:25:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2505037B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com (c1129767-a.elnsng1.mi.home.com [24.183.248.20]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with SMTP id OAA24818 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: Tim McMillen To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: various man page additions Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:29:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101031429260A.00440@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm new to the doc project and want to help. I'm currently reading the doc-proj primer, but I'm swamped. I'll get there, but please permit this message as a description of the fix. If I'm way off base in sending this message this way, let me know. When talking to Greg Lehey about some vinum issues he noted that "Vinum *is* vinum(4)" but I noticed man vinum pointed to vinum(8) I looked in man man and it does not say what the default search order is. He found it. >> man man does not seem to say what the default is. > Agreed. That should be fixed. It appears that the sequence is (from > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/lib/config.h_dist): > > static char *std_sections[] = > { > "1", "1aout", "8", "2", "3", "n", "4", "5", "6", "7", "9", "l", > NULL > }; > > This doesn't match FreeBSD's man section naming, so we should probably > fix that first. More from the discussion: >> As an aside, I also think man man should list a number of >> things about how to list the commands in a given section and get the >> command summaries. The whatis manpage doesn't say either. > Why not try fixing those pages and submitting the patches? If nobody > else wants to look at it, I will. As I said I don't know how to do this properly yet. I'm learning. Part of the problem is I don't know the conventions for what is and isn't included in a manpage. So some proposed fixes. --have man(1) state what the default manpage search order is. a decent spot is: (but it is not perfectly correct, it needs help) old: You may also specify the order to search the sections for entries and which preprocessors to run on the source files via command line options or environment variables. If enabled by the system administrator, formatted man pages will also be compressed with the `/usr/bin/gzip -c' command to save space. new: You may also specify the order to search the sections for entries and which preprocessors to run on the source files via command line options or environment variables. The default search order is sections "1", "1aout", "8", "2", "3", "n", "4", "5", "6", "7", "9", "l". If enabled by the system administrator, formatted man pages will also be compressed with the `/usr/bin/gzip -c' command to save space. --man(1) should state what the different man section names are. And perhaps should include the intro pages in the SEE ALSO section. As intro(1) does, though it skips 1aout since it doesn't have an intro page. --in either man(1) or whatis(1) or probably both, should have something like: Ex. To get a list of the commands in a given section try whatis 1 or whatis 8 the output can be somewhat ugly, but useful. A better command would be well, better. This should probably also be in each intro page. --help should be a basic command and should be mentioned in the default motd. it could display a quick tutorial on how to use the basic resources available. The FAQ, handbook and manpages. And how to install the documentation locally if they don't have net access set up yet. I will write the text and facilitate getting it made into an executeble. I could just write it as a shell script, but there may be better ways. I will post what I write on my website for comments. Thank you for your time, Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 12:10:14 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 12:10:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE16F37B699 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03KA3R27622; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:10:03 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101032010.f03KA3R27622@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, ue@nathan.ruhr.de Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr3.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EECD37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24337 invoked by alias); 3 Jan 2001 20:08:17 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f03K09e57382; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:00:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Message-Id: <200101032000.f03K09e57382@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:00:09 +0100 (CET) From: Udo Erdelhoff Reply-To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24052: FAQ markup, ispmail question Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24052 >Category: docs >Synopsis: The markup in the ispmail question of the FAQ could be better >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 03 12:10:02 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Udo Erdelhoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: FreeBSD German Documentation Project >Environment: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq revision 1.133 >Description: Almost all instaces of some.host.name were replaced by some.host.name in revision 1.87. One was left behind. Let's end his suffering... While I'm here, slap around various instances of sendmail and around sendmail.cf. >How-To-Repeat: read doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq revision 1.133 (Found during translation/integration of changes from 1.87) >Fix: (tested by make) Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.133 diff -r1.133 book.sgml 5959c5959 < after the above shown entry. This forces sendmail to --- > after the above shown entry. This forces sendmail to 5978c5978 < sendmail to use user@myISP.com rather than --- > sendmail to use user@myISP.com rather than 5980,5981c5980,5981 < sendmail to send all mail via < relay.myISP.com, allowing quicker mail --- > sendmail to send all mail via > relay.myISP.com, allowing quicker mail 6007c6007 < restart sendmail after updating sendmail.cf. --- > restart sendmail after updating sendmail.cf. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 13:34:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:34:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92C537B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14DvXc-0000Ht-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:33:52 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03LXqs62491; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:33:52 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:33:51 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: Tim McMillen Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: various man page additions Message-ID: <20010103213351.G85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <0101031429260A.00440@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <0101031429260A.00440@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim McMillen wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the doc project and want to help. Welcome! > So some proposed fixes. > --have man(1) state what the default manpage search order is. > > a decent spot is: (but it is not perfectly correct, it needs help) > old: > You may also specify the order to search the sections for entries and > which preprocessors to run on the source files via command line options > or environment variables. If enabled by the system administrator, > formatted man pages will also be compressed with the `/usr/bin/gzip -c' > command to save space. > > new: > You may also specify the order to search the sections for entries and > which preprocessors to run on the source files via command line options > or environment variables. The default search order is sections "1", > "1aout", "8", "2", "3", "n", "4", "5", "6", "7", "9", "l". If enabled > by the system administrator, formatted man pages will also be > compressed with the `/usr/bin/gzip -c' command to save space. This seems like a reasonable idea. > --man(1) should state what the different man section names are. I'm sure I've seen a list of the section numbers and what they are somewhere, though I can't find it now... *shrug* man's manual page seems as good a place as any. > --in either man(1) or whatis(1) or probably both, should have something > like: > Ex. To get a list of the commands in a given section try > whatis 1 or whatis 8 > the output can be somewhat ugly, but useful. A better command would be > well, better. > This should probably also be in each intro page. Putting that into just whatis(1) gets my vote, see what others think... > --help should be a basic command and should be mentioned in the default > motd. > it could display a quick tutorial on how to use the basic resources > available. The FAQ, handbook and manpages. And how to install the > documentation locally if they don't have net access set up yet. I will > write the text and facilitate getting it made into an executeble. I > could just write it as a shell script, but there may be better ways. I'd say it's better to do it in C from the start, saves pain converting it to C later on if you find the program gets a bit too advanced for a shell script. :-) > I will post what I write on my website for comments. cool, let us know a URL. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 13:49:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCB637B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA46848 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010103213351.G85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <0101031429260A.00440@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> <20010103213351.G85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:48:11 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: various man page additions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While you're looking at man(1), you might want to consider putting the initial search order into /etc/manpath.config. -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 14:56:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 14:56:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web9102.mail.yahoo.com (web9102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 499D937B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010103225608.50777.qmail@web9102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.44.54.66] by web9102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:56:08 CST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:56:08 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?hector=20colina?= Subject: request of information To: doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I have a question for you. I need to know if the FreeBSD Handbook have been translated of spanish. Of course, if not, I will like translated it. Thank you. Hector Colina _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 19:23:17 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 19:23:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from biperson.com (biperson.com [64.19.199.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7095A37B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by biperson.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAB09288 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:23:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:23:11 -0800 From: lolly@biperson.com Message-Id: <200101040323.TAB09288@biperson.com> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: If you come only once, you've been cheated. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our motto: More tail for less money. 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If it's got a hole and a temperature we've got it! http://64.19.199.34/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 21:50:27 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 21:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from uucp1.pcnet.ro (unknown [213.154.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1C837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sana.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.pcnet.ro (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id HAA09237 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:48:00 +0200 X-Mailer: WinNET Mail, v3.5 Message-ID: <796@sana.pcnet.ro> Reply-To: sana@pcnet.pcnet.ro (DBob) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:57:35 Subject: Re:FreeBSD Documentation Project From: sana@pcnet.pcnet.ro (DBob) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SANATRONIC - INDUSTRIAL & MEDICAL ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT - R&D AND MANUFACTURING Dear Sirs, We are very interested in the FreeBSD Documentation Project handbook. 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Bravu nr. 3/165 Bucharest - ROMANIA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 22:27:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 22:27:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from biperson.com (biperson.com [64.19.199.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AA337B404 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by biperson.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10545 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:27:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:27:24 -0800 From: lolly@biperson.com Message-Id: <200101040627.WAA10545@biperson.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: If you come only once, you've been cheated. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our motto: More tail for less money. We've got whining, spoiled, American bitches getting what's coming to them. And liking it! Spum guzzling hose hogs who can't live without a white boy's jimmy or a black boy's cactus in their mouths 24 hours a day! (We have to punish them when they swallow instead of taking it on the face!) Delicate, oriental beauties with tight cooters getting split down the middle, lumberjack style! Sign me up Jack!!! Gorgeous, buxom, chocolate wenches that will make your snicker caramel its nuts! Latin lovelies getting their tacos stuffed with the biggest beef in Texas! Remember that teacher with big knobs whose skirt you used to look up? Yes? Well, we got her too! Young? Old? Thick? Thin? Tall? Short? Whatever! If it's got a hole and a temperature we've got it! http://64.19.199.34/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 22:29:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 22:29:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CDB37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G6M00HSOKBJ9O@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:21:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f046Me710915 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:22:40 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:22:38 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: On moving mailing-lists.ent To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i Sender: chris@holly.calldei.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm working again on the New FreeBSD FAQ[*], and currently I have a little hack creating a dependancy on the Handbook for the mailing-lists.ent file, and I also have the rel.current entity defined separately in this document. This seems like something that should be in a language-specific share/ directory, rather than in a document-specific directory. Are there any reasons &rel.current and mailing-lists.ent have not already been moved outside of the handbook directory? -- * http://people.FreeBSD.org/~chris/newfaq/ for those interested +-------------------+------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Profanity: | | chris@calldei.com | The universal programming language | +-------------------+------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jan 3 22:37:55 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 22:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25A937B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02574; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f046bq492554; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101040637.f046bq492554@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: On moving mailing-lists.ent In-Reply-To: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com> References: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com> Comments: In-reply-to Chris Costello message dated "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:22:38 -0600." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_369697424P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:37:52 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_369697424P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Chris Costello wrote: > Are there any reasons &rel.current and mailing-lists.ent have > not already been moved outside of the handbook directory? Can't think of any, but if you do this, I can probably use at least mailing-lists.ent in RELNOTESng [1]. Bruce. [1] http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ More details, and a request for feedback, to follow in a day or so. --==_Exmh_369697424P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6VBpA2MoxcVugUsMRAk5AAKDN26pOFI48J3DNN4qmDgBfc+WpaACeK/UD 7Jxc5MnhhF9i9fzUSmgBt40= =U5Jr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_369697424P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 2: 7:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 02:07:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7691F37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id MAA09734; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: <3A544BAE.B3388752@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:08:46 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: christoph.sold@server.i-clue.de Organization: i-clue interactive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DBob Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Documentation Project References: <796@sana.pcnet.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DBob schrieb: > We are very interested in the FreeBSD Documentation Project > handbook. > > Perhaps you will be kind enough in sending us also your full line > catalogue on CD-ROM with application information and prices. > > Hoping to hear from you soon, I remain. You have written to a mailing list: To get a company selling FreeBSD, you may contact Walnut Creek (http://www.cdrom.com/). They sell the handbook, too. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 2:51: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 02:51:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.alphanet.sk (alpha.alphanet.sk [212.55.233.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEE537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gama (gama.alphanet.sk [212.55.233.36]) by alpha.alphanet.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f04BkPI07570 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:46:25 GMT (envelope-from ajo@alphanet.sk) Message-ID: <088401c0763c$77842c40$24e937d4@alphanet.sk> Reply-To: "Ajo" From: "Ajo" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:52:44 +0100 Organization: Alphanet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 6: 6: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 06:05:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wgate.com (mail.wgate.com [38.219.83.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C15E37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 06:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from wgate.com (nguyen.eng.tvol.net [10.32.1.113]) by mail.wgate.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YMS26B07; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3A54833C.9D0C8C9F@wgate.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:05:49 -0500 From: Don Nguyen Organization: WorldGate Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: How to upgrade an existing FreeBSD 3.0 to FreeBSD 4.x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, I have a question about how to upgrade my FreeBSD 3.0 operating system to FreeBSD 4.x. Is there any document or procedure? Thank you. -- Don Nguyen WorldGate Communications Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 7:43:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 07:43:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from javad.ru (ns.javad.ru [194.85.135.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2FB37B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from andreyn ([195.16.42.95]) by javad.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18512; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:43:34 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <000801c07665$377ce3c0$5f2a10c3@andreyn> From: "Narizhny Andrey" To: Cc: Subject: question Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:44:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0767E.5BA01AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0767E.5BA01AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20 Why you did not write about kernel configuration in 2.2.2. Installing = FreeBSD session of handbook? Regards. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0767E.5BA01AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello!

Why you did not write about kernel configuration in = 2.2.2. Installing FreeBSD session of=20 handbook?

Regards.  

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0767E.5BA01AB0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 8:59:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 08:59:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (poynting.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03A637B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from argon.firepipe.net (pm002-022.dialup.bignet.net [64.79.80.70]) by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015861A0A for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by argon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B92F19E0; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:59:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:59:44 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: will@argon.firepipe.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Keep me on cc: since I'm not on -doc, thanks! ] Hi -doc guys, It seems that sigmask(2) is referenced in both the sigsetmask(2) and sigblock(2) manpages (src/lib/libc/compat-43). But sigmask(2) itself has no manpage or even a MLINK. How about adding: MLINKS+= sigmask.2 sigblock.2 to src/lib/libc/compat-43/Makefile.inc ? Further, the sigsetmask(2) manpage's SYNOPSIS for sigmask(2) is missing the return type. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 9:16:38 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 09:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A974037B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f04HEAY05828; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:14:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:14:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On moving mailing-lists.ent Message-ID: <20010104171410.B4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 12:22:38AM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 12:22:38AM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > I'm working again on the New FreeBSD FAQ[*], and currently I > have a little hack creating a dependancy on the Handbook for the > mailing-lists.ent file, and I also have the rel.current entity > defined separately in this document. This seems like something > that should be in a language-specific share/ directory, rather > than in a document-specific directory. > > Are there any reasons &rel.current and mailing-lists.ent have > not already been moved outside of the handbook directory? No, and this is something that should be done. Do you want to liase with the repo-meisters to get this done? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 9:16:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 09:16:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6351437B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f04HCAl05823; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:09 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Nik Clayton , sam1600@iname.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? Message-ID: <20010104171209.A4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:38:45AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:38:45AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:50:16AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > > Please tell me where I can download the freebsd > > > > manual in html format. > > > > > > > > I looked here: > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/ > > > > > > I'm not sure the handbook is available from the FreeBSD FTP server as a > > > single HTML file. > > > > It certainly should be. See question 17 of the FAQ. > > I agree that it should be, but the original poster said he couldn't > find it and I can't either. This is where I just looked: > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ > > We have versions of the handbook in pdb, pdf, ps, rtf, and txt format, > compressed with bz2, gz, and zip. HTML is not one of these. :-( I'm > not that familiar with the way we build the docs for our Web site, so I > can't comment further. Bug in my script[1]. Specifically, if you make FORMATS=html\ html-split INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes install it won't do anything. FORMATS needs to contain html.tar and html-split.tar, so that the tarballs are built (which makes sense, in a perverse sort of way). > One other thing I noticed: the modification dates for the > aforementioned files are all "Dec 20 00:47". Are these files supposed > to get updated more frequently? Periodically, when I remember. Typically, once a week (sometimes a bit more if I've been on holiday, as I was last week). I've got a machine inside the uk.bsdi.com domain which keeps an up to date CVS tree on it. Periodically I run the attached script, which does the build. Then I've got an account on ftp.freesoftware.com, and I run mirror(1), which brings the updated files on to the FTP site. The build doesn't happen automatically because the machine I do the builds on has variable load, and I try and time it so the machine's only lightly used. Also, I've had zero time to invest in completely automating this. Of course, should anyone want to, this is exactly the sort of thing that can be cleaned up and put in something like doc/share/examples/. N PS: 'my' script? The vast majority of this was written by Alexey a while ago. His script, my bug :-) -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/x-sh Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="build-doc-packages2.sh" #!/bin/sh # # Build an updated package collection of the FreeBSD docs # # $FreeBSD$ # # Responsible. MAILERRORSTO=nik # Formats to build FORMATS="html html-split txt ps pdf rtf pdb" #FORMATS="html html-split ps pdf txt rtf" # Build area. Either set this to something else, or symlink it to a # directory as necessary. TMPDIR=/home/nik/doc-build/build # Subdirectory used to store old logs. LOGDIR=/home/nik/doc-build/logs # Current date (format YYMMDD). Will be used to store logs. DT=`LANG=C date +%y%m%d` # Log file names CVSLOG=$LOGDIR/tmp/cvs.log.$DT BUILDLOG=$LOGDIR/tmp/build.log.$DT # Compress logs and move out of the temporary directories backup_logs () { gzip $CVSLOG mv $CVSLOG.gz $LOGDIR/ gzip $BUILDLOG mv $BUILDLOG.gz $LOGDIR/ } # Check log directory for existence. if [ ! -d $LOGDIR ]; then mkdir -p $LOGDIR if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo mkdir $LOGDIR failed. exit 1 fi fi # Remove and re-create temporary log directory for current build logs. # It will clean up stale logs. rm -fr $LOGDIR/tmp mkdir -p $LOGDIR/tmp # Test for the existence of the build directory, create as necessary, # and then cd there if [ ! -d $TMPDIR ]; then mkdir -p $TMPDIR if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo mkdir $TMPDIR failed. exit 1 fi fi cd $TMPDIR if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo Could not cd to $TMPDIR. exit 1 fi # Clean out everything that's gone before rm -rf * if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo rm -rf failed. exit 1; fi # Check out a fresh tree, then create the package building area cvs -q -d /home/ncvs checkout -P doc > $CVSLOG 2>&1 cd doc mkdir packages mkdir archives # Do the build. First, build all the packages # # NIK_DOC_BUILD is a hack. The machine most of the builds are done on # has # # .if !defined(NIK_DOC_BUILD) # DOC_LANG=en_US.ISO_8859-1 # .endif # # in /etc/make.conf make -i-DNIK_DOC_BUILD FORMATS="$FORMATS" package > $BUILDLOG 2>&1 if [ $? != 0 ]; then tail -100 $BUILDLOG | \ mail -s "Doc build at `LANG=C date +%y.%m.%d` failed" $MAILERRORSTO backup_logs exit 1 fi # Now, build the various other compressed formats. Should take less time, # as the stuff's already built. No need to check for errors either. make -i -DNIK_DOC_BUILD FORMATS="$FORMATS html.tar html-split.tar" INSTALL_COMPRESSED="gz bz2 zip" INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes DOCDIR=${TMPDIR}/doc/archives install # Upload (?) updated packages somewhere ? cd packages # # # backup_logs # Remove temporary directories rm -r $LOGDIR/tmp --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 10:15:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 10:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA34D37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14EEU8-0002I3-00; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:47:32 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04HlWA68278; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:47:32 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:47:31 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: Will Andrews Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Andrews wrote: > It seems that sigmask(2) is referenced in both the sigsetmask(2) and > sigblock(2) manpages (src/lib/libc/compat-43). But sigmask(2) itself > has no manpage or even a MLINK. How about adding: > > MLINKS+= sigmask.2 sigblock.2 Do it, but they're the wrong way round. The source file comes first, MLINKS+= sigblock.2 sigmask.2 > Further, the sigsetmask(2) manpage's SYNOPSIS for sigmask(2) is missing > the return type. Fix it with ".Ft int" (but I'm sure you could have worked that out). -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 10:21:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 10:21:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (poynting.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06BB37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from argon.firepipe.net (pm002-022.dialup.bignet.net [64.79.80.70]) by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35601A0A; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by argon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E732019E0; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:21:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:21:37 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Will Andrews , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010104132137.H86630@argon.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 05:47:31PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: will@argon.firepipe.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 05:47:31PM +0000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Do it, but they're the wrong way round. The source file comes first, > > MLINKS+= sigblock.2 sigmask.2 Oops. :-) > Fix it with ".Ft int" (but I'm sure you could have worked that out). Well, I'm trying to figure out why it should be in *BOTH* manpages. And then there's the question of which one it should be in. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 11: 9:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69BA37B402; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G6N008OIJU43P@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:08:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f04J86p12211; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:08:06 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:08:05 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: On moving mailing-lists.ent In-reply-to: <20010104171410.B4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010104130804.D9710@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <20010104002238.C9710@holly.calldei.com> <20010104171410.B4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: chris@holly.calldei.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, January 04, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > No, and this is something that should be done. Do you want to liase > with the repo-meisters to get this done? Sure. I'm already moving the stuff around in my local tree, but what file should contain the rel.current entity? -- +-------------------+---------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | If you have a procedure with 10 parameters, | | chris@calldei.com | you probably missed some. | +-------------------+---------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 11:21:55 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:21:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212337B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08804; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04JLln10537; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101041921.f04JLln10537@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , sam1600@iname.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? In-Reply-To: <20010104171209.A4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010104171209.A4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:12:09 +0000." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_64912244P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:21:47 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_64912244P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > We have versions of the handbook in pdb, pdf, ps, rtf, and txt format, > > compressed with bz2, gz, and zip. HTML is not one of these. :-( I'm > > not that familiar with the way we build the docs for our Web site, so I > > can't comment further. > > Bug in my script[1]. Specifically, if you > > make FORMATS=html\ html-split INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes install > > it won't do anything. FORMATS needs to contain html.tar and > html-split.tar, so that the tarballs are built (which makes sense, in a > perverse sort of way). Hmmm. Interesting. Guess when/if I understand more about the doc-building process I'll know why. > > One other thing I noticed: the modification dates for the > > aforementioned files are all "Dec 20 00:47". Are these files supposed > > to get updated more frequently? > > Periodically, when I remember. Typically, once a week (sometimes a bit > more if I've been on holiday, as I was last week). [details elided] > The build doesn't happen automatically because the machine I do the > builds on has variable load, and I try and time it so the machine's only > lightly used. Also, I've had zero time to invest in completely > automating this. OK, got it. For some reason I thought that since the Web pages got rebuilt automatically, the doc files did too. Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_64912244P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6VM1K2MoxcVugUsMRAuM4AKD7vPt87RshNVGvjKP9EzaK1vNKdACg6+/r xtpZz8e7Od0yzvSszOTcx+I= =INhQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_64912244P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 13:33:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 13:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.port.ru (mx6.port.ru [194.67.23.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FD937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pax2-210.cis.ru ([212.109.194.210] helo=mail.ru) by smtp6.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #83) id 14EI15-000Lqt-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:33:47 +0300 Message-ID: <3A54EBCB.7C5CC805@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:31:55 +0600 From: Andrei Organization: INFERNO X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [ru] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=F7=CF=D0=D2=CF=D3?= ! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 13:44:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 13:44:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.colltech.com (ausproxy.colltech.com [208.229.236.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A437B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.colltech.com (mail2.colltech.com [208.229.236.41]) by mx1.colltech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/not) with ESMTP id PAA26795; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:44:39 -0600 Received: from colltech.com (dhcp5212.wdc.colltech.com [10.20.5.212]) by mail2.colltech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/not) with ESMTP id PAA14164; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:44:37 -0600 Message-ID: <3A54EEC1.3A9A6779@colltech.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:44:33 -0500 From: Daniel Hagan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/21230: The URL for splash window is gone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Those files disappeared in the great disk crash of 2000 in cslab.vt.edu, but John has another copy up on the web at http://www.baldwin.cx/splash/. Tell him I sent you ;-). Daniel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 14:45:57 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 14:45:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0140B37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01545 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:45:52 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:45:51 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: makeworld not in handbook Reply-To: dan@langille.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't find a reference to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html from http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Is this an error? If not, where do we know find makeworld documentation? cheers -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:27: 6 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:27:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA31937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13643 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:26:59 -0000 Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([207.44.96.65]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:27:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5415 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:27:01 -0000 Received: from du128182.mtz.ptd.net (HELO envy.geekhouse.net) ([204.186.128.182]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:27:01 -0000 Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04NQmL01507; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:26:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:26:46 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook Message-ID: <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@osd.bsdi.com References: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org>; from dan@langille.org on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:45:51AM +1300 Sender: jim@envy.geekhouse.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 11:45:51 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > I can't find a reference to > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > from > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > > Is this an error? If not, where do we know find makeworld > documentation? Well, if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing when I look at the handbook, something is seriously wrong. I'm not sure what happened (I'm looking into it now), but the layout is totally screwed. It goes from 16 to B.2 and a whole other mess of things that shouldn't be like they are. Hopefully I'll be able to find the problem and fix it shortly. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:34:31 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462FE37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from chris ([63.202.183.52]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G6N00MHEVPYYT@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:25:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:31:50 -0800 From: Chris Andrews Subject: Please change this To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@Livecast.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs d-multimedia.html Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast." Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when they do searches. Sincerely, Chris Andrews Chris Andrews President Livecast, Inc 300 Third St., Suite 5 Los Altos, CA 94022 phone 650-559-9975 fax 650-559-9974 chris@livecast.com Livecast is a VentureMakers Company To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:39: 8 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:39:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay4.inwind.it (relay4.inwind.it [212.141.53.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F1337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (62.98.154.30) by relay4.inwind.it (5.1.056) id 3A4B0A72001897B3; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:38:26 +0100 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:40:27 GMT Message-ID: <20010104.23402700@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> References: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 1/4/01, 11:45:51 PM, "Dan Langille" wrote=20 regarding makeworld not in handbook: > I can't find a reference to > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > from > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > Is this an error? If not, where do we know find makeworld > documentation? Actually, the chapters' sequence doesn't look consistent, either. I=20 seem to see much more serious trouble... :-) Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:43:12 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AF137B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f04Nh7u13026; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:43:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:43:07 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Chris Andrews Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this Message-ID: <20010104154307.E292@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@Livecast.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:31:50PM -0800 Sender: bright@fw.wintelcom.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Chris Andrews [010104 15:34] wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > d-multimedia.html The page you are referring to is an archive of an email message, it in no way intends to promote FreeBSD as having anything to do with your clue impared company. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:46:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:46:53 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F03537B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20032 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:46:55 -0000 Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([207.44.96.65]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12542 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:46:58 -0000 Received: from du128182.mtz.ptd.net (HELO envy.geekhouse.net) ([204.186.128.182]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:46:58 -0000 Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04Nkks01722; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:46:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:46:45 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Chris Andrews Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this Message-ID: <20010104184645.A1664@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@osd.bsdi.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@Livecast.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:31:50PM -0800 Sender: jim@envy.geekhouse.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebsd-multimedia.html Did you even bother looking at it? If you did, you'd notice the URL you specify above is to a mailing list archive. The word "Livecast" is mentioned because the poster says: news flash: I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual. > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We > would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or > industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast." So you're against people saying they have Livecast working? Heh. > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important > to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an > accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can > confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of > Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark > infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. What does this have to do with the message? This tells me you didn't even bother looking at the page you referenced. > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me > back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also > re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will > ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when > they do searches. This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived email sent from a private individual to a mailing list. FreeBSD.org has no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its mailing lists. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:47:24 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:47:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.144.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE13A37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com (c1129767-a.elnsng1.mi.home.com [24.183.248.20]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with SMTP id SAA03608; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: Tim McMillen To: Alfred Perlstein , Chris Andrews Subject: Re: Please change this Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:51:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010104154307.E292@fw.wintelcom.net> In-Reply-To: <20010104154307.E292@fw.wintelcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010418511808.00602@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday January 04, 2001 18:43, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Chris Andrews [010104 15:34] wrote: > > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" > > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/200001 > >23.freebs d-multimedia.html > > The page you are referring to is an archive of an email message, > it in no way intends to promote FreeBSD as having anything to do > with your clue impared company. Touche' :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:48:38 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpd.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05F3937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20479 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:48:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([207.44.96.65]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpc.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:48:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 17977 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from du128182.mtz.ptd.net (HELO envy.geekhouse.net) ([204.186.128.182]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2001 23:48:31 -0000 Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04NmIX01737; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:48:18 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook Message-ID: <20010104184818.B1664@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@osd.bsdi.com References: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i In-Reply-To: <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:26:46PM -0500 Sender: jim@envy.geekhouse.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 18:26:46 -0500, Jim Mock wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 11:45:51 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > > I can't find a reference to > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > > > from > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > > > > Is this an error? If not, where do we know find makeworld > > documentation? > > Well, if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing when I look at the > handbook, something is seriously wrong. I'm not sure what happened > (I'm looking into it now), but the layout is totally screwed. It goes > from 16 to B.2 and a whole other mess of things that shouldn't be like > they are. Hopefully I'll be able to find the problem and fix it > shortly. I just built a copy of the handbook locally and it looks fine, however the copy on the web site is definitely not right :-) Hopefully it'll fix itself when it builds again (I can't find anything wrong with it since it looks fine when built here with sources just checked out). - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:49:35 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:49:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D968F37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01699; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:49:18 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101042349.MAA01699@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: Jim Mock Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:49:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net> References: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org>; from dan@langille.org on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:45:51AM +1300 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Jan 2001, at 18:26, Jim Mock wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 11:45:51 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > > I can't find a reference to > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/makeworld.html > > > > from > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > > > > Is this an error? If not, where do we know find makeworld > > documentation? > > Well, if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing when I look at the > handbook, something is seriously wrong. I'm not sure what happened > (I'm looking into it now), but the layout is totally screwed. It goes > from 16 to B.2 and a whole other mess of things that shouldn't be like > they are. Hopefully I'll be able to find the problem and fix it > shortly. Thanks Jim. BTW: this was found when a user on IRC said they couldn't find it. So I went and looked and couldn't. And yes, I saw what you saw. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 15:59:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:59:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5498237B404; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f04NwFG66385; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:59:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Andrews Subject: RE: Please change this Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Jan-01 Chris Andrews wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > d-multimedia.html Did you look at this page at all? It is an archive of an _e-mail_ message sent by a private individual. In fact, since you have now sent a message to 2 of our lists that contains the word 'Livecast', you have just added 2 more messages to the mail archive that search engines will find when the archives are updated. Are you going to go through every e-mailbox of every person on the planet to delete all e-mails containing your company name? Please be realistic in this. The FreeBSD Project just archives mails sent to its lists by private individuals. It has no practical or desirable way of controlling the content that private individuals from all over the planet may send to its mailing lists. Note that we aren't providing a competeing product with your name or anything like that either. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16: 4:29 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ux1.depaul.edu (ux1.depaul.edu [140.192.1.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5A237B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bwolter@localhost) by ux1.depaul.edu (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16686; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:04:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:04:12 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Wolter X-Sender: bwolter@ux1 To: Tim McMillen Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Chris Andrews , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this In-Reply-To: <01010418511808.00602@tim.elnsng1.mi.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gee i hope we don't all get sued for using the word Livecast in our emails... i hear that can confuse the public understanding of the Livecast trademark. that would be terrible. we had better edit and resubmit our comments to better reflect our respect of the Livecast Corperation's intellectual property "rights". Livecast Livecast Livecast. ... asshole. peace, brian t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Tim McMillen wrote: > On Thursday January 04, 2001 18:43, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Chris Andrews [010104 15:34] wrote: > > > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > > > > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" > > > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/200001 > > >23.freebs d-multimedia.html > > > > The page you are referring to is an archive of an email message, > > it in no way intends to promote FreeBSD as having anything to do > > with your clue impared company. > > Touche' :) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16: 9:57 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA13637B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from chris ([63.203.71.212]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G6N00BMBX5J8M@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:56:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:02:48 -0800 From: Chris Andrews Subject: RE: Please change this In-reply-to: <20010104184645.A1664@envy.geekhouse.net> To: jim@osd.bsdi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@Livecast.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Thanks for your response. I did look at the page prior to sending the email. Unfortunately, search engines and the internet in general does not categorize these things - copy is copy. And I have to presume that whoever "owns" the site controls the copy. My other choice was not to send the email to you at all, and we are held to some strict guidelines as owners of the trademark in terms of working to contain usage to appropriate usage. We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Jim Mock [mailto:jim@osd.bsdi.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:47 PM To: Chris Andrews Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs d-multimedia.html Did you even bother looking at it? If you did, you'd notice the URL you specify above is to a mailing list archive. The word "Livecast" is mentioned because the poster says: news flash: I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual. > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We > would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or > industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast." So you're against people saying they have Livecast working? Heh. > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important > to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an > accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can > confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of > Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark > infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. What does this have to do with the message? This tells me you didn't even bother looking at the page you referenced. > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me > back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also > re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will > ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when > they do searches. This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived email sent from a private individual to a mailing list. FreeBSD.org has no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its mailing lists. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:10:46 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:10:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A6E37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA262630; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:10:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:10:38 -0500 To: chris@Livecast.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Please change this Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:31 PM -0800 1/4/01, Chris Andrews wrote: >TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > >It has come to our attention that you are using the >term "Livecast" on the page referenced below, and >possibly other pages. > >http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebsd-multimedia.html > >Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by >Livecast, Inc. We would like to ask you to please >change Livecast to a generic or industry term such >as "webcast" or "live webcast." > >Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, It does seem pretty minor to the people on this mailing list, as the page you referenced is merely an archive of messages that have been sent to the mailing list. And your message (the one above) was sent to the mailing list. Your message will also be archived. Please stop using the offending word in messages that you send to the mailing list, as the person who owns that trademark thinks it is very bad for mailing-list archives to include any mention of his product. Apparently he does not want anyone to know that his product exists, and he will take it very seriously if you mention his product anywhere. >We have had to continually police the use of Livecast >on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark >infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. We will wait with eager amusement to see you sue yourself for trademark infringement. Please note that I myself have not mentioned the offending word, other than to quote your usage of it, so there is no need to send your lawyers after me. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:12:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDFF37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA49326; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:12:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Hovey To: Chris Andrews Cc: jim@osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Please change this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Or to be able to tell what an email message is and what a web page is. On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Chris Andrews wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for your response. I did look at the page prior to sending the email. > Unfortunately, search engines and the internet in general does not > categorize these things - copy is copy. And I have to presume that whoever > "owns" the site controls the copy. > > My other choice was not to send the email to you at all, and we are held to > some strict guidelines as owners of the trademark in terms of working to > contain usage to appropriate usage. > > We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of > clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet. > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Mock [mailto:jim@osd.bsdi.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:47 PM > To: Chris Andrews > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Please change this > > > On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote: > > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" > > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > d-multimedia.html > > Did you even bother looking at it? If you did, you'd notice the URL you > specify above is to a mailing list archive. The word "Livecast" is > mentioned because the poster says: > > news flash: > > I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a > Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual. > > > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We > > would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or > > industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast." > > So you're against people saying they have Livecast working? Heh. > > > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important > > to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an > > accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can > > confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of > > Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark > > infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. > > What does this have to do with the message? This tells me you didn't > even bother looking at the page you referenced. > > > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me > > back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also > > re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will > > ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when > > they do searches. > > This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived > email sent from a private individual to a mailing list. FreeBSD.org has > no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way > of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its > mailing lists. > > - jim > > -- > jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org > http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:12:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from earth.wnm.net (earth.wnm.net [208.246.240.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4799237B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by earth.wnm.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f050CVr24197; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:12:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:12:31 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Charalabidis To: Chris Andrews Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Chris Andrews wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > d-multimedia.html > > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We would > like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or industry term such > as "webcast" or "live webcast." > I suggest you review and formally retract that request before it turns into a PR fiasco. I've never heard of your establishment but now I know that "oh yeah, it's those guys who wanted to censor an email archive (guffaw)." Please be advised that freebsd-questions is a widely distributed and archived list and that all the king's horses won't be able to erase this thread and the corresponding number of search engine hits from the net. You have effectively aggravated the situation you object to. Regards -ac -- ============================================================== Alex Charalabidis (AC8139) 5050 Poplar Ave, Ste 170 System Administrator Memphis, TN 38157 WebNet Memphis (901) 432 6000 Author, The Book of IRC http://www.bookofirc.com/ ============================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:19:59 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:19:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (lcmail2.lc.ca.gov [165.107.12.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C744337B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (PMDF V5.2-27 #40821) id <0G6N00C01Y8S9M@lcmail2.lc.ca.gov>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from tagalong ([165.107.42.145]) by lcmail2.lc.ca.gov (PMDF V5.2-27 #40821) with SMTP id <0G6N00CMZY8R9A@lcmail2.lc.ca.gov>; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:19:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:19:47 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson Subject: RE: Please change this In-reply-to: To: 'Garance A Drosihn' , chris@Livecast.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Garance A Drosihn [mailto:drosih@rpi.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 4:11 PM > To: chris@Livecast.com; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; > freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Please change this > [snip] > >We have had to continually police the use of Livecast > >on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark > >infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. > > We will wait with eager amusement to see you sue yourself > for trademark infringement. Let's get it in the archives one more time! ROTFL :) > Please note that I myself have not mentioned the offending > word, other than to quote your usage of it, so there is no > need to send your lawyers after me. Me either! (Still ROTFL!!!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:28:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6D137B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from chris ([63.202.183.22]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G6N00BCRYBEJY@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:21:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:27:46 -0800 From: Chris Andrews Subject: RE: Please change this In-reply-to: To: Garance A Drosihn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@Livecast.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I thought I understood your website (mailing list archive) but I did not until now. You did get a "form letter" which was inappropriate for this forum. Apologies for any inconvenience. Please ignore my earlier email and if I offended anyone, I'm sorry. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Garance A Drosihn [mailto:drosih@rpi.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 4:11 PM To: chris@Livecast.com; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this At 3:31 PM -0800 1/4/01, Chris Andrews wrote: >TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > >It has come to our attention that you are using the >term "Livecast" on the page referenced below, and >possibly other pages. > >http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freeb sd-multimedia.html > >Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by >Livecast, Inc. We would like to ask you to please >change Livecast to a generic or industry term such >as "webcast" or "live webcast." > >Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, It does seem pretty minor to the people on this mailing list, as the page you referenced is merely an archive of messages that have been sent to the mailing list. And your message (the one above) was sent to the mailing list. Your message will also be archived. Please stop using the offending word in messages that you send to the mailing list, as the person who owns that trademark thinks it is very bad for mailing-list archives to include any mention of his product. Apparently he does not want anyone to know that his product exists, and he will take it very seriously if you mention his product anywhere. >We have had to continually police the use of Livecast >on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark >infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. We will wait with eager amusement to see you sue yourself for trademark infringement. Please note that I myself have not mentioned the offending word, other than to quote your usage of it, so there is no need to send your lawyers after me. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:34:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:34:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shell.wetworks.org (shell.wetworks.org [63.160.175.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AE7E37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 58070 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO diskfarm.firehouse.net) (10.0.0.28) by 192.168.1.2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 00:34:16 -0000 Received: (from abc@localhost) by diskfarm.firehouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f050grO48776; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:42:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from abc) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:42:53 -0500 From: Alan Clegg To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this Message-ID: <20010104194253.H48257@diskfarm.firehouse.net> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Clegg , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@Livecast.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:27:46PM -0800 Sender: abc@diskfarm.firehouse.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless the network is lying to me again, Chris Andrews said: > Apologies for any inconvenience. Please ignore my earlier email and if I > offended anyone, I'm sorry. Genie, return to the bottle.. NOW! AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:51: 3 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:50:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A3037B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E7023574FC; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:51:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:51:37 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Chris Andrews Cc: jim@osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this Message-ID: <20010104185137.A48707@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , Chris Andrews , jim@osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010104184645.A1664@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@Livecast.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:02:48PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:02:48PM -0800, Chris Andrews scribbled: | Thanks for your response. I did look at the page prior to sending the email. | Unfortunately, search engines and the internet in general does not | categorize these things - copy is copy. And I have to presume that whoever | "owns" the site controls the copy. You can ask Yahoo.com, google.com, lycos.com and all the various other search engines and directories to help you remove the listing. The metadata has already been propagated, good luck stopping what's already done. | My other choice was not to send the email to you at all, and we are held to | some strict guidelines as owners of the trademark in terms of working to | contain usage to appropriate usage. Have you talked to your company's own IT and MIS professionals before doing this? It is usually a good idea to talk to the techinical people before performing possibly acts that may have disasterous public relations effects. | We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of | clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet. I think my following message would enlighten you on how difficult a task this would be. In addition, claiming that you have a clue does not imply that you reall have a clue. In order to remove your trademark from all of the FreeBSD archives, you should contact Egroups.com, Geocrawler.com, Deja.com and many other large commercial mailing list corporations. In addition, you should contact all the Usenet distributors that archive freebsd.org mailing lists through Usenet News. This includes at least the 100 largest Usenet news outsourcers inside the United States. For deja.com at least, they pride themselves on having the most complete mailing list and Usenet archives around. I think they would not remove the listings there. After that, you can contact all the universities in Asia, Europe, Oceania, Americas, and Africa who mirror FreeBSD mailing list archives. FreeBSD.org is in no way associated with any of the above internet sites. FreeBSD.org has no control over these sites. (Needless to mention again, but you have sent an email mentioning your trademark into the FreeBSD email archives, which was propagated instantly into the search engines, mailing list archivers, and Usenet. | -----Original Message----- | From: Jim Mock [mailto:jim@osd.bsdi.com] | Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:47 PM | To: Chris Andrews | Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG | Subject: Re: Please change this Generally, in the so-called clued-Unix world, it is considered a lack of clue to use such useless email quoting headers. | On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 at 15:31:50 -0800, Chris Andrews wrote: | > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE Using all capitals in an email is consider rude because it implies "shouting" and being directive. I think you probably would get less cooperation that way. | > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" | > on the page referenced below, and possibly other pages. | > | > | http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs | d-multimedia.html I assume you did a simple websearch on your trademark, but have you really found out what this website does? | Did you even bother looking at it? If you did, you'd notice the URL you | specify above is to a mailing list archive. The word "Livecast" is | mentioned because the poster says: | | news flash: | | I just got livecast to connect and remain connected with a | Lvl: value indicating my audio level, this is unusual. | | > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We | > would like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or | > industry term such as "webcast" or "live webcast." | | So you're against people saying they have Livecast working? Heh. | | > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important | > to us that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an | > accurate manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can | > confuse the public. We have had to continually police the use of | > Livecast on the Internet, including recently filing a trademark | > infringement lawsuit in federal court against CNN/SI. | | What does this have to do with the message? This tells me you didn't | even bother looking at the page you referenced. Do you realize that FreeBSD is a world-wide distributed effort? It is in no way a legal entity and exists virtually around the world. You can, however, effect a lawsuit against no one that would have no effect. In addition, how will you sue the thousands of individuals in Asia, Africa, Americas, Europe, and Oceania? You do realize that somone can simply copy the website to a country that has no copyright or trademark laws? The FreeBSD's license specifically allows for that, and no one can revoke that. FreeBSD essentially avoided the U.S. encryption export laws for a few years, against the United States Federal Government. | > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me | > back when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also | > re-submit your website to the major search engines, then that will | > ensure that the public gets up-to-date content from your site when | > they do searches. | | This is not part of the FreeBSD.org web site per se -- it is an archived | email sent from a private individual to a mailing list. FreeBSD.org has | no say over the content of the messages sent to its lists and has no way | of preventing the word "livecast" from being mentioned in mail to its | mailing lists. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 16:54:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:54:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg130-102.ricochet.net [204.179.130.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D566B37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00820; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200101050054.QAA00820@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:54:24 -0800 (PST) From: jessem@livecam.com Sender: jessem Reply-To: jessem@livecam.com Subject: Re: Please change this To: chris@Livecast.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This bozo is mine. Dear Sir, With respect to your comments, the limited nature of your investigation show a lack of due dilligence. As such, should this matter rise beyond this conversation and your intent to rectify this reach into legal matter, our corportation, a silent sponsor of activies of FreeBSD, will be force to to file briefs as friends of the court. Behaviour such as your, shows a lack of professionalism. As a member of an industry attempting to put live video in America's homes it is within your responsibilty to act in accordance with ethics and morals of society. Randoms threats, as you made here, will not go un-notice. Your actions smear the broadcast community with petty actions, such as this. Lastly, if this course of action was recommended by your counsel, I strongly suggest you consider measures to correct this sort of short-sightedness in the future. Respectfully, Jesse Monroy Livecam.com Zydeo, Inc. On 4 Jan, Chris Andrews wrote: > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > d-multimedia.html > > Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We would > like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or industry term such > as "webcast" or "live webcast." > > Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important to us > that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an accurate > manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can confuse the > public. We have had to continually police the use of Livecast on the > Internet, including recently filing a trademark infringement lawsuit in > federal court against CNN/SI. > > Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me back > when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also re-submit > your website to the major search engines, then that will ensure that the > public gets up-to-date content from your site when they do searches. > > Sincerely, > Chris Andrews > > > > > Chris Andrews > President > Livecast, Inc > 300 Third St., Suite 5 > Los Altos, CA 94022 > phone 650-559-9975 > fax 650-559-9974 > chris@livecast.com > Livecast is a VentureMakers Company > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 17:15:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 17:15:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dnull.com (dnull.com [209.133.53.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC53037B404 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from jigsaw.svbug.com (mg130-102.ricochet.net [204.179.130.102]) by dnull.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA84535; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:15:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101050115.RAA84535@dnull.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:15:28 -0800 (PST) From: jessem@livecam.com Reply-To: jessemonroy@email.com Subject: RE: Please change this To: chris@Livecast.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: jessem@jigsaw.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please note, your comments are no longer private. Base on your previous action, sending private messages is inappropriate. I saw the letter of apology, after I sent my letter. Your actions seem not only less that appropriate, but with regard for your own business or industry. I would suggest you take appropriate action. Jessem. On 4 Jan, Chris Andrews wrote: > HI, > > I made a mistake. Apparently I hit a nerve, but really all I thought I was > doing was sending an email to the webmaster of a site. What I was trying to > do was common practice (but I misunderstood both the website and who the > email was going to). > > I assume you got my letter of apology...to the list. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: jessem [mailto:jessem@spammie.svbug.com]On Behalf Of > jessem@livecam.com > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 4:54 PM > To: chris@Livecast.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Please change this > > > This bozo is mine. > > Dear Sir, > > With respect to your comments, the limited nature of your > investigation show a lack of due dilligence. As such, should > this matter rise beyond this conversation and your intent > to rectify this reach into legal matter, our corportation, > a silent sponsor of activies of FreeBSD, will be force to > to file briefs as friends of the court. > > Behaviour such as your, shows a lack of professionalism. > As a member of an industry attempting to put live video > in America's homes it is within your responsibilty to > act in accordance with ethics and morals of society. > Randoms threats, as you made here, will not go un-notice. > Your actions smear the broadcast community with petty > actions, such as this. > > Lastly, if this course of action was recommended by > your counsel, I strongly suggest you consider measures > to correct this sort of short-sightedness in the future. > > > Respectfully, > Jesse Monroy > Livecam.com > Zydeo, Inc. > > > > > On 4 Jan, Chris Andrews wrote: >> TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE >> >> It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the >> page referenced below, and possibly other pages. >> >> > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs >> d-multimedia.html >> >> Livecast is a registered trademark that is owned by Livecast, Inc. We > would >> like to ask you to please change Livecast to a generic or industry term > such >> as "webcast" or "live webcast." >> >> Although this might seem like a minor matter to you, it is important to us >> that the Livecast trademark be understood by the public in an accurate >> manner. Your page gets referenced by search engines which can confuse the >> public. We have had to continually police the use of Livecast on the >> Internet, including recently filing a trademark infringement lawsuit in >> federal court against CNN/SI. >> >> Please change this page(s) on your website, and if you would email me back >> when the change is completed, I would appreciate it. If you also re-submit >> your website to the major search engines, then that will ensure that the >> public gets up-to-date content from your site when they do searches. >> >> Sincerely, >> Chris Andrews >> >> >> >> >> Chris Andrews >> President >> Livecast, Inc >> 300 Third St., Suite 5 >> Los Altos, CA 94022 >> phone 650-559-9975 >> fax 650-559-9974 >> chris@livecast.com >> Livecast is a VentureMakers Company >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 19:13: 8 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 19:13:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.vaz.ru (ns.vaz.ru [195.144.198.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D76037B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from vladimir (dial139.vaz.ru [195.144.199.139] (may be forged)) by ns.vaz.ru (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f053D1J05824 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:13:02 +0400 (TLTK) Message-ID: <000001c076ce$4c5eddc0$8bc790c3@vladimir> From: "Vladimir Kovin" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:00:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jan 4 22:37:33 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 22:37:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E51B37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cx443070b ([24.0.36.170]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010105063533.KBHE3375.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx443070b>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:35:33 -0800 Message-ID: <007b01c076e2$4c367e20$aa240018@vista1.sdca.home.com> From: "Jeremiah Gowdy" To: , , References: Subject: Re: Please change this Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:39:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. Hey genius, as I'm sure you already know, that is a mailing list archive. I believe the person who posted that email message spoke of the trademarked term Livecast in a manner consistant with Fair Use. As far as "possibly other pages", you, the trademark holder, have posted the term Livecast to the FreeBSD mailing list archive in your own email, which certainly implies that it's an acceptable activity. Indeed, this entire thread you've started is all being put into the mailing list archive. You've caused your term, "Livecast", to be put into the mailing list QUITE a few more times than it would have been originally, and honestly you are misinterpreting your trademark rights if you believe you can keep people from REFERRING to your product in email or even in the newspaper or other form of media. Let me quote to you United States Code Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 107 "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement" I suggest you do not run around threatening people without knowing your rights and the rights of the people they are threatening. People can't represent themselves as BEING Livecast, or being associated with Livecast, but they can talk about Livecast. I could write a webpage about how I dislike Livecast and that would be my right, and I would not be infringing on your rights. Behavior such as this is the cause for the hatred between Internet Businesses and the Computer populus, which they are trying to sell to. How exactly do companies intend to stay in business when all they do is sue customers ? You sue, you piss people off, people don't like you anymore, you go out of business, you are forgotten in 6 months. Prefabricated letters such as yours cause people to think of companies such as yours as faceless lawyer ridden lawsuit mongers who use lawsuits to threaten people into getting their way, even if they are standing on thin ice as far as the law is concerned, simply because they know the average joe cannot afford to fight a lawsuit. These bully tactics only alienate people and eventually eat away at your business. Play it cool in the future. I say these words not to offend you, because I'm sure by now you see the error you made, but instead to inform you. If you want to remain "good" in the eyes of the consumers (us), and believe me, you do, then you need to not be so quick to draw your guns on your customers. Put the lawyers back in your pocket, and ask nicely. You'll get a much better response, and you can protect your trademark rights (if they apply) without ruining any possible customer base you may have in the FreeBSD community. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 1:50:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 01:50:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3DC37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f059Ogt09082; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:24:42 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:24:42 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jim Mock Cc: Dan Langille , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook Message-ID: <20010105092442.A9043@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200101042245.LAA01545@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:26:46PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:26:46PM -0500, Jim Mock wrote: > On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 11:45:51 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > Well, if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing when I look at the > handbook, something is seriously wrong. I'm not sure what happened > (I'm looking into it now), but the layout is totally screwed. It goes > from 16 to B.2 and a whole other mess of things that shouldn't be like > they are. Hopefully I'll be able to find the problem and fix it > shortly. Freefall is lagging behind some ports versions (the DSSSL stylesheets, Jade, et al). I'll update them, and see if that solves the problem. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 1:50:17 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 01:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66BE37B402; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f059n5E09141; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:49:05 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:49:05 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Nik Clayton , sam1600@iname.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? Message-ID: <20010105094905.B9043@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010104171209.A4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101041921.f04JLln10537@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101041921.f04JLln10537@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:21:47AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:21:47AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > We have versions of the handbook in pdb, pdf, ps, rtf, and txt format, > > > compressed with bz2, gz, and zip. HTML is not one of these. :-( I'm > > > not that familiar with the way we build the docs for our Web site, so I > > > can't comment further. > > > > Bug in my script[1]. Specifically, if you > > > > make FORMATS=html\ html-split INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes install > > > > it won't do anything. FORMATS needs to contain html.tar and > > html-split.tar, so that the tarballs are built (which makes sense, in a > > perverse sort of way). > > Hmmm. Interesting. Guess when/if I understand more about the > doc-building process I'll know why. The $FORMATS variable contains a space separated list of document formats that you want to build. If you specify 'html' or 'html-split' then HTML output is produced. However, unlike *every other format*, these are not self contained. For example, you might need to bundle up images with it before you can transport them. For this reason, we also have the 'html.tar' and 'html-split.tar' formats, which produce a tarball containing everything required to transport the documentation. When you do "make INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes install" compressed versions of the documents are generated and installed. book.ps.gz, book.rtf.gz, book.txt.gz, and so on. If the formats are 'html' or 'html-split' it makes no sense to compress them. Granted, you could install a book.html.gz, but what if that document uses images? Do you compress them first as well? And if the format is 'html-split', do you compress each individual .html file? It's for this reason that if you do "make INSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED=yes install" the html and html-split FORMATS are ignored. You have to explicitly include html.tar and html-split.tar in the list of formats, which will give you a book.html.tar.gz and book.html-split.tar.gz file. > > The build doesn't happen automatically because the machine I do the > > builds on has variable load, and I try and time it so the machine's only > > lightly used. Also, I've had zero time to invest in completely > > automating this. > > OK, got it. For some reason I thought that since the Web pages got > rebuilt automatically, the doc files did too. The documentation on the web site is built twice daily. It's just the files under doc/ on the FTP site that get built manually once a week or so. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 1:53:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 01:53:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8B137B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03511; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:53:44 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101050953.WAA03511@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: Nik Clayton Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:53:42 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: makeworld not in handbook Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20010105092442.A9043@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010104182645.A1426@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:26:46PM -0500 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Jan 2001, at 9:24, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 06:26:46PM -0500, Jim Mock wrote: > > On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 at 11:45:51 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > > Well, if you're seeing the same thing I'm seeing when I look at the > > handbook, something is seriously wrong. I'm not sure what happened > > (I'm looking into it now), but the layout is totally screwed. It goes > > from 16 to B.2 and a whole other mess of things that shouldn't be like > > they are. Hopefully I'll be able to find the problem and fix it > > shortly. > > Freefall is lagging behind some ports versions (the DSSSL stylesheets, > Jade, et al). I'll update them, and see if that solves the problem. Ahhh. btw: We've been seeing a lot of people on IRC being confused about kernel building (config -r or buildkernel), so I just submitted a PR [with patch]. After the third person in one day, I figured it was time. The PR # hasn't come to me yet so I'm worried I messed something up in send- pr. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 4:56:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 04:56:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM (unknown [24.69.168.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5992537B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05CuW305932; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:56:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lnb) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:56:32 -0500 From: Lanny Baron To: John Baldwin Cc: Chris Andrews , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this Message-ID: <20010105075632.A5548@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:59:13PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Livecast is a registered trademark of Livecast, Inc. - Livecast, Inc. is a VentureMakers Company All contents copyright Livecast, Inc." Glad it's a registered trademark. One problem. The Internet is PUBLIC DOMAIN. I have a great idea for you. Get your trade marked site off the Internet, and use a BBS for which only those that have paid for dialup access to your great and awesome site can access it. Have you read BUSINESS for DUMMIES? It would be very informative for you. A followup book that may be useful after reading Business for Dummies would be Dr. Susse's Green Eggs and Ham. Oh, if I mention Kleenex here, am i going to be sued? Same with Coke and Pepsi. Someone please send me a lawyer. I have $13.00 in my pocket. On a final note, please search every known search engine and type in Livecast. Why not sue the world while your at it. On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:59:13PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 04-Jan-01 Chris Andrews wrote: > > TO: WEBMASTER OR PERSON WHO CONTROLS YOUR WEBSITE > > > > It has come to our attention that you are using the term "Livecast" on the > > page referenced below, and possibly other pages. > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-multimedia/20000123.freebs > > d-multimedia.html > > Did you look at this page at all? It is an archive of an _e-mail_ message sent > by a private individual. In fact, since you have now sent a message to 2 of > our lists that contains the word 'Livecast', you have just added 2 more > messages to the mail archive that search engines will find when the archives > are updated. Are you going to go through every e-mailbox of every person on > the planet to delete all e-mails containing your company name? Please be > realistic in this. The FreeBSD Project just archives mails sent to its lists > by private individuals. It has no practical or desirable way of controlling > the content that private individuals from all over the planet may send to its > mailing lists. Note that we aren't providing a competeing product with your > name or anything like that either. > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------- Lanny Baron Proud to be 100% FreeBSD FreeBSD Systems, Inc; Freedom Technologies Corp. http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM 1.877.963.1900 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 5:24:59 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 05:24:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2E037B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f05DOeZ10582; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:24:40 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:24:40 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org, doc@freebsd.org, docs@gnome.org, kde-doc-english@master.kde.org, oswg-discuss@oswg.org, feedback@linuxdoc.org Subject: Speaking on DocBook at NordU2001, 12-16 Feb Message-ID: <20010105132440.A10407@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: nik@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, [ I've sent this to several mailing lists where I think (and hope) it's appropriate. Reply-to: points back to me, as I don't think discussion is likely to be appropriate for most of the lists. As far as I'm aware, all the lists I've posted to are appropriate for DocBook related material, my apologies if I've included one that isn't. For those lists I'm foreign to, I'm the FreeBSD Documentation Project Manager, where we've been using DocBook and related technologies for the past 2 to 3 years. ] I'm going to be speaking at the 3rd EurOpen/Usenix Conference in Stockholm, Sweden, on Feb 15th at 13:00. The topic is DocBook for Free Software Projects I would be delighted to meet with other DocBook users, particularly those from non-FreeBSD related projects. I suspect there are a lot of issues that we're all solving in similar ways, and I'm anxious to avoid excessive reinvention of the wheel if we can avoid it. The topic scope is rather broad, and I've only got 35 minutes or so, so this will be an overview of DocBook and its benefits, rather than an indepth look at all the ins and outs of writing and formatting DocBook. I'm happy to go through more detailed topics before or after my presentation as necessary. More information about the conference can be found at: http://www.nordu.org/NordU2001/ N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 6:59:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:59:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1897237B404; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@y.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.68]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f05Ex9F25280; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01436; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01432; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: y.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@y.glue.umd.edu To: Brian Wolter Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Brian Wolter wrote: > Livecast Livecast Livecast. > ... asshole. Livecast...sorry, just wanted in on the fun :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 7: 1:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 07:01:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F70B37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@y.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.68]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f05F1gF25353; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01582; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01578; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:01:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: y.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@y.glue.umd.edu To: Chris Andrews Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Please change this In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Chris Andrews wrote: > We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of > clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet. Obviously not. According to your own guidelines I cannot even send mail to you since you have the L-word in your domain name. How/why would anyone find out about your products when you forbid people to mention them? Try having a chat ith your marketting department, they probably know more than you do. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 7:12:18 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 07:12:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2995437B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14EYXL-0002tX-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:12:11 +0000 To: James Howard , Chris Andrews , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Cliff Sarginson Subject: RE: Please change this Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:12:11 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@btvs.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 192.250.24.58 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Chris Andrews wrote: > > > We "do have a clue" here, but it is a challenging task to have a goal of > > clarity in something as cloudy as the Internet. "You got the guns (lawyers...bucks..) But we got the numbers We're gonna win, we're taking over! C'mon !" (With deference to Jim Morrison) Best thing you could do Chris is to persuade your company to embrace Open Source and contribute to it. With the intelligently argued responses you have been receiving in response to your debacle you should maybe pass the message on... Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 7:26:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 07:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-026.ricochet.net [204.179.136.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A952837B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00554; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200101051524.HAA00554@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Please change this To: howardjp@well.com Cc: bwolter@students.depaul.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, chris@livecast.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Jan, James Howard wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Brian Wolter wrote: > >> Livecast Livecast Livecast. >> ... asshole. > > Livecast...sorry, just wanted in on the fun :) > With regards to this and other emails on this matter, our company produces machines that stream live-real-time video over the Internet. We use FreeBSD because it is our best choice. Letters like those sent by Mr. Andrews should not be indicative of our industry. My first letter to Mr. Andrews was in haste as I was scheduled to talk last night. However, my point, I believe, is clear. And to that end, I will meet personally with Mr. Andrews to assist him, if he feels this appropriate, and move this matter beyond any petty contention. I say this NOT as a member of the FreeBSD community, but as a member of the Live(video/cyber/web/internet)casting community. To finalize, our goal should be to allow any household, with sufficient means, to Live(video/cyber/web/internet)Cast whatever they feel appropriate, not to wrangle over petty issues. best regards, Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 10: 0:25 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 10:00:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from webmail.atlas.cz (w8.atlas.cz [195.119.187.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79D837B404; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by webmail.atlas.cz with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:00:03 +0100 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message From: To: "Chris Andrews" Cc: , Subject: RE: Please change this Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: <081101c07741$53db1460$bcbb77c3@atlas.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Thread-Index: AcB3QVPbTcY4N+MuEdS4yACQJ+UEcw== Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No you do not. How else could you attempt to claim the Livecast family = name as your trademark? As a representative of all Livecasts, I have no option but to request = you cease and desist using our name for your business purposes. Very truly yours, Rusty Livecast, Attorney At Law Livecast, Livecast & Livecast 1 Livecast Way Livecast City Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 10:16:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 10:16:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alice.twopoint.com (unknown [209.64.88.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42CB37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from twopoint.com (nimbus.twopoint.com [192.168.1.10]) by alice.twopoint.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23297; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:17:37 -0600 Sender: hamilton@alice.twopoint.com Message-ID: <3A561AE8.806E6F49@twopoint.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:05:12 -0600 From: Hamilton Hoover X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Chris Andrews , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please change this References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oh my! god forbid I ever do anything stupid enough to get me flamed on this list. Chris best of luck, they should get bored of you in a day or two -snicker- Hamilton Hoover Systems Administrator Two Point Conversions -Not a Livecast company! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 11: 6:35 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 11:06:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B45037B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24457; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05J6TC24442; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101051906.f05J6TC24442@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , sam1600@iname.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd manual in html format? In-Reply-To: <20010105094905.B9043@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001227101708E0.28727@weba4.iname.net> <200012291850.eBTIoHJ24177@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010101213447.A349@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101031838.f03Icjm65863@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010104171209.A4373@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200101041921.f04JLln10537@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010105094905.B9043@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:49:05 +0000." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1120580P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:06:28 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1120580P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:21:47AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > Hmmm. Interesting. Guess when/if I understand more about the > > doc-building process I'll know why. Wow. I'm sorry if you though this meant that you had to explain this to me! > The $FORMATS variable contains a space separated list of document > formats that you want to build. > > If you specify 'html' or 'html-split' then HTML output is produced. > > However, unlike *every other format*, these are not self contained. For > example, you might need to bundle up images with it before you can > transport them. OK, got it...it seems that this was the crucial point I needed. This has a few implications for RELNOTESng, have to go think about this a bit. Thanks for the well thought-out explanation! Bruce. --==_Exmh_1120580P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6Vhs02MoxcVugUsMRAmvyAKCqR/uiSMdDIRBQhJfMHE+ZUOn/JgCeI8Iv g9g5QcZTpRx2uGbt8ElHD7U= =nMK7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1120580P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 11: 6:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 11:06:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A8237B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f05J5iG86994; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:05:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A561AE8.806E6F49@twopoint.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:06:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please change this - THREAD DIE Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Chris Andrews Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Geez people. The guy made a mistake and apologized for it. Grow up and get over it. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 11:50:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 11:50:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B29C37B402; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29741; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05Jo0H24919; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, wilko@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: RELNOTESng update From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_81954488P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:50:00 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_81954488P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks-- I've updated my on-going work on what I hope will be the next-generation release notes. You can see what I've got (these are the release notes for 5.0-CURRENT) at: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ I've got a tarball of my working directory, plus the PDF, HTML, and TXT output for the i386 and alpha architectures (plus a placeholder for the ia64 to catch some bugs). I'll try to keep this in sync with the "real" RELNOTES.TXT files. To summarize the features: 1. Conditional text so we can support multiple architectures from one set of source files (no more editing {i386,alpha}/RELNOTES.TXT). 2. The Supported Hardware lists from HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT have been combined. 3. DocBook markup, so we can generate release notes in multiple formats. At this point I would like to get some input from people. In particular: 1. First and foremost, is the concept a Good Thing(TM)? I'm pretty convinced we need something like this (particularly to deal with multiple architectures and information listed in various places). But if the consensus is "no", I want to bail out now. 2. Since I only use i386 architecture machines, I want to make sure we can cover the alpha (and later the ia64, sparc, ppc, or whatever else turns up). So I'd like some alpha folks to look their version over. One question I'd like to get answered: The alpha has its own HARDWARE.TXT file listing different processor/motherboard notes. I'd like to know people's thoughts about folding this in as well (particularly from Wilko, since he's maintaining it). 3. At some point, I'll need to talk to someone who's familiar with "make release" to see about how to integrate this into the build. It'll be similar, but not identical, to how we handle the other docs. One disadvantage is that you won't see a RELNOTES.TXT file (or its equivalent) until a release gets made with documentation-building enabled. Thanks all! Bruce. --==_Exmh_81954488P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6ViVo2MoxcVugUsMRAqeMAKD3Z6ESftVkWOFGXkjgjstSIYUb+ACfco5U Hgjp5pP7HXvrxHnB40wkTvs= =Exfz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_81954488P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 12: 0:56 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:00:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D8D37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:00:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05K0rO62270; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101052000.f05K0rO62270@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gouders@et.bocholt.fh-ge.de, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23816: Use of Element in FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Use of Element in FAQ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Fri Jan 5 12:00:35 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23816 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 12:20: 8 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:20:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A83337B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05KK5m66663; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:20:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:20:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101052020.f05KK5m66663@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Subject: Re: docs/23823: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate Reply-To: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23823; it has been noted by GNATS. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, arensb@ooblick.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/23823: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:17:18 +0100 (CET) Uhm - I'm just curious: What has _NIS_ to do with DNS issues???? Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 12:29:40 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:29:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4566037B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f05KTd604865; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:29:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:29:38 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update Message-ID: <20010105122938.J23398@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800 Sender: brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > I've updated my on-going work on what I hope will be the > next-generation release notes. This looks great! Good work. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 12:37:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:37:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailout00.sul.t-online.com (mailout00.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741FF37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.com by mailout00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14EdcJ-0000tH-01; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:37:39 +0100 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.225.194.247]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14Edc1-11dilsC; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:37:21 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38339AB0C; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:38:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EC11D14B9F; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:37:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:37:19 +0100 To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update Message-ID: <20010105213719.A49975@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thus spake Bruce A. Mah (bmah@FreeBSD.ORG): I haven't taken a look yet, but the idea is great. One thing: > 3. DocBook markup, so we can generate release notes in multiple=20 > formats. If you're changing it anyways: Didn't Nik say lately, that he'd like stuff be converted to XML? I'll take a deeper look now. Alex --=20 cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iQEVAwUBOlYwfbRIIUSeqRcRAQF7Sgf8Cj4Nl4QCx9v6Jpd+HG1nTq86k+2IOwyk mjRwQn7wgRbz9QdDK2H95gKeYoYGTySPudvTupdM18bjC4Tslo1CLd0A1cYn6E15 ku2tg6VsL3vPNFWx79PwEujt5lwyHodnG+rE+BIhuI/jsAU+nDjj85na3T6SRRn4 61bVqliwMKntWqTzZ6X+8FzYVmrS86NTRlbZCLVX2Kz5pThJtStFg7RpTB8fFhWw WzTm/OqKMV2ZfX81VSqjFHDiwjChAH1udZ/oXjOxaWjq7UXF0DV8EZmyEjZJFIeN VcXRN2JunKdsW86EfwC+kt+sPXWOIxt+rfi2VN11pdkv0aLDMAb2Hg== =vuMD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 12:45: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 12:44:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE53B37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05KiwG69570; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101052044.f05KiwG69570@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24052: The markup in the ispmail question of the FAQ could be better Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: The markup in the ispmail question of the FAQ could be better State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Fri Jan 5 12:44:45 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Jup! Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 13: 6:31 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 13:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA26937B6B6 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14Ee43-00048u-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:06:19 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05L6Jm55296; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:06:19 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:06:18 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: Will Andrews Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010105210618.P85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20010104132137.H86630@argon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104132137.H86630@argon.firepipe.net> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Andrews wrote: > Well, I'm trying to figure out why it should be in *BOTH* manpages. And > then there's the question of which one it should be in. Thinking about it, the best solution might be to put sigblock, sigsetmask and sigmask all in one manpage with appropriate MLINKS. Something like this. Index: Makefile.inc =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/lib/libc/compat-43/Makefile.inc,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 Makefile.inc --- Makefile.inc 1999/08/27 23:58:12 1.9 +++ Makefile.inc 2001/01/05 21:01:16 @@ -8,9 +8,12 @@ setrgid.c setruid.c sigcompat.c .if ${LIB} == "c" -MAN2+= creat.2 killpg.2 sigblock.2 sigpause.2 sigsetmask.2 sigvec.2 +MAN2+= creat.2 killpg.2 sigpause.2 sigsetmask.2 sigvec.2 MAN3+= gethostid.3 setruid.3 MLINKS+=gethostid.3 sethostid.3 MLINKS+=setruid.3 setrgid.3 + +MLINKS+=sigsetmask.2 sigblock.2 +MLINKS+=sigsetmask.2 sigmask.2 .endif Index: sigsetmask.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/lib/libc/compat-43/sigsetmask.2,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 sigsetmask.2 --- sigsetmask.2 2000/04/21 09:39:18 1.8 +++ sigsetmask.2 2001/01/05 21:05:14 @@ -36,15 +36,19 @@ .Dt SIGSETMASK 2 .Os BSD 4.2 .Sh NAME -.Nm sigsetmask -.Nd set current signal mask +.Nm sigsetmask , +.Nm sigblock +.Nd manipulate current signal mask .Sh LIBRARY .Lb libc .Sh SYNOPSIS .Fd #include .Ft int .Fn sigsetmask "int mask" -.Fn sigmask signum +.Ft int +.Fn sigblock "int mask" +.Ft int +.Fn sigmask "int signum" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Bf -symbolic This interface is made obsolete by: @@ -52,11 +56,19 @@ .Xr sigprocmask 2 . .Pp .Fn Sigsetmask -sets the current signal mask. Signals -are blocked from delivery if the -corresponding bit in +sets the current signal mask to the specified +.Fa mask . +Signals are blocked from delivery if the corresponding bit in +.Fa mask +is a 1. +.Fn Sigblock +adds the signals in the specified .Fa mask -is a 1; the macro +to the current signal mask, +rather than overwriting it as +.Fn sigsetmask +does. +The macro .Fn sigmask is provided to construct the mask for a given .Fa signum . @@ -68,11 +80,13 @@ .Dv SIGSTOP to be blocked. .Sh RETURN VALUES -The previous set of masked signals is returned. +.Fn Sigblock +and +.Fn sigsetmask +return the previous set of masked signals. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr kill 2 , .Xr sigaction 2 , -.Xr sigblock 2 , .Xr sigprocmask 2 , .Xr sigsuspend 2 , .Xr sigvec 2 , @@ -80,6 +94,8 @@ .Sh HISTORY The .Fn sigsetmask -function call appeared in +and +.Fn sigblock +function calls first appeared in .Bx 4.2 -and has been deprecated. +and have been deprecated. and cvs rm sigblock.2 -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 13:20: 6 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 13:20:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0FD37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05LK2x76018; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101052120.f05LK2x76018@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Andrew Arensburger Subject: Re: docs/23823: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate Reply-To: Andrew Arensburger Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23823; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Andrew Arensburger To: Alexander Langer Cc: , Subject: Re: docs/23823: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:01:07 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Alexander Langer wrote: > Uhm - I'm just curious: > > What has _NIS_ to do with DNS issues???? Nothing directly. The gethost*() functions get the host information from either /etc/hosts, NIS, or DNS, as specified in /etc/host.conf . gethostbyname() is the classic "get host information" function, but it only handles IPv4 (AF_INET). gethostbyname2() is more generic and can handle IPv6 (AF_INET6). gethostbyname2("myhost.dom.ain", AF_INET6) works quite well for /etc/hosts and DNS. The only case in which it doesn't work, as far as I can tell, is with NIS. I don't know whether this is a limitation of NIS itself, or just FreeBSD's implementation of it. At any rate, the man page for gethostbyname2() implies that only AF_INET works. This doesn't appear to be true. -- Andrew Arensburger This message *does* represent the arensb@ooblick.com views of ooblick.com ACK and you shall receive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 13:27:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 13:27:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg136-026.ricochet.net [204.179.136.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FE337B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:27:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00996; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200101052127.NAA00996@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Please change this To: Livecast@atlas.cz Cc: chris@Livecast.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <081101c07741$53db1460$bcbb77c3@atlas.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is silly....... Am I being baited... here? Okay, Guys .. knock it off. I'll deal with this. I'll personally go to Livecast. But cut the chatter. We're starting to sound like a bunch of old hens. Jessem. On 5 Jan, Livecast@atlas.cz wrote: > No you do not. How else could you attempt to claim the Livecast family name as your trademark? > > As a representative of all Livecasts, I have no option but to request you cease and desist using our name for your business purposes. > > Very truly yours, > Rusty Livecast, Attorney At Law > Livecast, Livecast & Livecast > 1 Livecast Way > Livecast City > Czech Republic > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 14: 6:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 14:06:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (poynting.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B346A37B402; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from argon.firepipe.net (pm001-030.dialup.bignet.net [64.79.80.30]) by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBB41A50; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by argon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 85DDD18E8; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:40 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Will Andrews , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010105170640.B682@argon.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20010104132137.H86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010105210618.P85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010105210618.P85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:06:18PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: will@argon.firepipe.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:06:18PM +0000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Thinking about it, the best solution might be to put sigblock, > sigsetmask and sigmask all in one manpage with appropriate MLINKS. > Something like this. [...] Looks good to me. Since you're the doc committer here, you probably should do this. I know my place; I do not commit to manpages or other such doc items unless required as a ports/src committer. :-) -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 14:13:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 14:13:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C26A37B402 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14Ef7J-0004He-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 22:13:45 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05MDie14006; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:13:44 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:13:44 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: Will Andrews Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: sigmask(2) MLINK? against sigsetmask(2)/sigblock(2) manpages... Message-ID: <20010105221344.R85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20010104115943.F86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010104174731.J85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20010104132137.H86630@argon.firepipe.net> <20010105210618.P85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20010105170640.B682@argon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010105170640.B682@argon.firepipe.net> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Andrews wrote: > On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:06:18PM +0000, Ben Smithurst wrote: >> Thinking about it, the best solution might be to put sigblock, >> sigsetmask and sigmask all in one manpage with appropriate MLINKS. >> Something like this. > [...] > > Looks good to me. Since you're the doc committer here, you probably > should do this. ok, I'll see if anyone here has any objections first though. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 15:16: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 15:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA1937B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14Eg5Z-0008Cx-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:16:01 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05NGw170690; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:16:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:16:58 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, wilko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update Message-ID: <20010106001658.A70625@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > 1. Conditional text so we can support multiple architectures from one > set of source files (no more editing {i386,alpha}/RELNOTES.TXT). Yes! > 2. The Supported Hardware lists from HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT > have been combined. For alpha I have my doubts about this. There is far too much untested hardware on alpha, and experience has shown that x86 != alpha even when would expect no cpu-port specifics. This is fundamental problem because we lack a wide alpha user base. And hence lack widespread testing of hardware. > 3. DocBook markup, so we can generate release notes in multiple > formats. Good idea. > At this point I would like to get some input from people. In > particular: > > 1. First and foremost, is the concept a Good Thing(TM)? I'm pretty > convinced we need something like this (particularly to deal with > multiple architectures and information listed in various places). But > if the consensus is "no", I want to bail out now. For me it is a good thing. > 2. Since I only use i386 architecture machines, I want to make sure > we can cover the alpha (and later the ia64, sparc, ppc, or whatever > else turns up). So I'd like some alpha folks to look their version > over. One question I'd like to get answered: The alpha has its own > HARDWARE.TXT file listing different processor/motherboard notes. I'd > like to know people's thoughts about folding this in as well > (particularly from Wilko, since he's maintaining it). I'm more than willing to convert alpha/HARDWARE.TXT into the right input format. Assuming I'm allowed to bug someone about the right formatting tools etc ;-) I do not want to pull the HW.TXT into the Relnotes. I don't think that this is a good idea. For me release notes are a thing that should be as small and comprehensive as possible. More static info, like details on hardware support etc, should be kept seperate. > 3. At some point, I'll need to talk to someone who's familiar with > "make release" to see about how to integrate this into the build. It'll You want someone to look at that, no doubt. I've had some, um, interesting discussions with David when I screwed up the release makefile during introduction of alpha's HW.TXT. My bad, but not something to repeat. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 16:46:45 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 16:46:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668C237B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f060kiN07120; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:46:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101060046.f060kiN07120@freefall.freebsd.org> To: chris@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, chris@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/24010: assorted problems with hier(7) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: assorted problems with hier(7) man page Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->chris Responsible-Changed-By: chris Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jan 5 16:46:26 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm working on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24010 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 16:49:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 16:49:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9C937B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G6P00G9SU3WZ3@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:45:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f060kiP15876 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:46:44 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:46:37 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Request for review: Proposed patch to hier.7 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010105184637.A15054@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i Sender: chris@holly.calldei.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm asking for some public review on this patch (and a little help on the bits still marked "???"). I've tried to update hier.7 to something remotely recent, with the help of Rich Morin's PR on this subject (#24010). So far this seems to address just about everything this file needs to be useful again. Anybody have any feedback? I'd like to commit this within a week, if possible. http://people.FreeBSD.org/~chris/hier.7.patch Thanks. -- +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Going the speed of light is bad for your age. | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 21: 7:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 21:07:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6342F37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G6Q006J861F5E@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:03:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0654MT16679; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:04:22 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:04:00 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Request for review: Proposed patch to hier.7 In-reply-to: To: Rich Morin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010105230400.C15054@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <20010105184637.A15054@holly.calldei.com> <20010105202133.B15054@holly.calldei.com> Sender: chris@holly.calldei.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, January 05, 2001, Rich Morin wrote to me (but I don't think he'd mind this being posted to -doc): > /mnt/ empty directory commonly used by system administrators as a tem- > --- > /mnt/ empty directory; commonly used by system administrators as a tem- This seems fine either way. It is indeed an empty directory commonly used by system administrators for mounting temporary file systems. > /tmp/ temporary files, usually a mfs(8) memory-based filesystem (the > --- > /tmp/ temporary files, usually an mfs(8) memory-based filesystem (the > > ??? - Is mfs the default? I don't recall refusing it, but I don't think I > have it... That's a good question. The point of /tmp vs. /var/tmp is that /var/tmp is typically meant as something that is stored across reboots, where /tmp shouldn't have that assumption made. > gcc/ ??? > ??? There's no files in there, so your guess is as good as mine. That's what I was asking in the first post. -- +-------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | If I had it all to do over again, | | chris@calldei.com | I'd spell creat with an "e". - Kernighan | +-------------------+-------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 21:21:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 21:21:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021CF37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from raymond by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust15.tnt25.tco2.da.uu.net [63.36.12.15]) id QQjwth19764 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 05:21:49 GMT Message-ID: <000801c077ba$c51e65e0$0200000a@raymond> From: "Pamela Hicks" To: Subject: another resource trying very hard to help out Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:29:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07777.B5DF55A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07777.B5DF55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could you please give this site some recognition? http://bsdvault.net thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07777.B5DF55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07777.B5DF55A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jan 5 21:42:21 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 21:42:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (smtp.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23F437B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from che.idemnia.net ([64.229.240.132]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010106054213.HZFS3810.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@che.idemnia.net> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:42:13 -0500 From: reel Reply-To: reel@sympatico.ca Organization: Idemnia Networks To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Translation... Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:42:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010600441100.00429@che.idemnia.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just want to know if someone is currently working on the English to French translation of the INSTALL document. I can do it if it's an un-assignated task. Have a nice day! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 1:50:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 01:50:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from didata.com (unknown [196.14.162.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEA937B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from zandfexc2.didata.co.za (unverified) by didata.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:43:39 +0200 Received: by zandfexc2.didata.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:50:12 +0200 Message-ID: From: James Roney To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Hiya Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:47:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, proprobly a very idiotic question but i really need to know, do you guys support free shell acc's or give out free shell acc's Ta tons James Roney Technical Support Icon@World On Line ********************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and is legally privileged. 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All business is undertaken, subject to our standard trading conditions which are available on request. ******************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 4:49:29 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 04:49:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701C137B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06CnSr01024; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:49:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101061249.f06CnSr01024@freefall.freebsd.org> To: arensb@ooblick.com, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23823: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: gethostbyname2 man page is inaccurate State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sat Jan 6 04:48:53 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed to HEAD, leaving it open as a reminder to MFC. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->alex Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Jan 6 04:48:53 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I keep this open http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 7: 8:23 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 07:08:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB55337B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f06F8H716099; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:08:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:08:17 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: adrian@FreeBSD.org, dcs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Patch for features.sgml Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I finally got sick of seeing the old features page pop up whenever I pointed people to www.FreeBSD.org, so Adrian, Daniel, and I put together the following patch. It probably has non-ideal SGML, and other things could be added, but I figured it was a starting point. As such, I'm looking for a bored docs committer who feels like taking this one the rest of the way to commit-land :-). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services Index: features.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/features.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -r1.13 features.sgml --- features.sgml 2000/04/03 10:42:51 1.13 +++ features.sgml 2001/01/06 15:00:51 @@ -45,61 +45,42 @@ operating systems design to give you these advanced features:

    -
  • Bounce buffering gets around a limitation in the PC's ISA - architecture that limits direct-memory access to the first 16 - megabytes. - -

    Result: systems with more than 16 megabytes operate more - efficiently with DMA peripherals on the ISA bus.

    • -
  • A merged virtual memory and filesystem buffer cache continuously tunes the amount of memory used for programs and the - disk cache.

    Result: programs receive both excellent memory + disk cache. As a result, programs receive both excellent memory management and high performance disk access, and the system - administrator is freed from the task of tuning cache sizes.

    • + administrator is freed from the task of tuning cache sizes.
  • Compatibility modules enable programs for other operating systems to run on FreeBSD, including programs for Linux, SCO, - NetBSD, and BSDI. + NetBSD, and BSDI.
    • -

    Result: users will not have to recompile programs - already compiled for one of the compatible OS's, and will have - access to a greater selection of off-the-shelf software, like the - Microsoft FrontPage - Server extensions for BSDI or WordPerfect - for SCO.

    - -
  • Dynamically loadable kernel modules allows new filesystem - types, networking protocols or binary emulators to be added to the - kernel at runtime without having to generate a new kernel image. - -

    Result: Much time can be saved and 3rd party vendors can - deliver complete subsystems as kernel modules without having to - distribute source or have lengthy installation procedures.

    • - -
  • Shared libraries reduce the size of programs, saving disk - space and memory. FreeBSD uses an advanced shared library scheme - which offers many of the advantages of ELF, and the current version - offers ELF compatibility for both Linux and native FreeBSD - programs.
    • +
  • Kernel Queues allow programs to respond more efficiently + to a variety of asynchronous events including file and socket IO, + improving application and system performance.
    • + +
  • Accept Filters allow connection-intensive applications, + such as web servers, to cleanly push part of their functionality into + the operating system kernel, improving performance.
    • + +
  • Soft Updates allow improved file system performance + without sacrificing safety and reliability, by intelligently + analyzing, caching and rewriting or reordering disk meta-data + operations.
    • + +
  • Support for IPsec and IPv6 allows improved security in + networks, and support for the next-generation Internet Protocol, + IPv6.
    • +
-

Naturally, since FreeBSD is an ongoing effort, you can expect newer - features and higher levels of stability with each release.

- - -

What experts have to say . . .

- -
-

``FreeBSD has an outline-structured visual configuration editor - ... you can enter the configuration of every device the OS supports - and can therefore get a successful installation on the first try - almost every time. IBM, Microsoft, and others would do well to - emulate FreeBSD's approach.''

+

Work in-progress includes support for fine-grained SMP locking in + kernel, allowing higher performance on multi-processor machines, + support for Scheduler Activations, allowing parallelism in threaded + programs, file system snapshots, fsck-free booting, network + optimizations such as zero-copy sockets and event-driven socket IO, ACPI support, and advanced security features such as Mandatory + Access Control.

-

---Brett Glass, Infoworld, April 8 - 1996.

&footer; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9: 0:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2822D37B69C; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29597; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06H0Bn34252; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101061700.f06H0Bn34252@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update In-Reply-To: <20010105213719.A49975@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010105213719.A49975@cichlids.cichlids.com> Comments: In-reply-to alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) message dated "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:37:19 +0100." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_929063683P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:00:11 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_929063683P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Alexander Langer wrote: > > 3. DocBook markup, so we can generate release notes in multiple=20 > > formats. > > If you're changing it anyways: > Didn't Nik say lately, that he'd like stuff be converted to XML? Hmmm. I remember that this topic came up at the doc BOF at BSDCon, but I don't remember what the outcome was. Hopefully Nik will chime in with his thoughts along these lines. Most likely, however, I am exactly the *wrong* person to test the XML waters, since I know epsilon about either SGML or XML, so I *need* all those other SGML documents in the doc/ tree as examples so I can figure out how to do this one. If you've taken your "deeper look" yet, you'll see what a newbie I am at this DocBook thing. :-) Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_929063683P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6V08b2MoxcVugUsMRAgWEAJ0QoR3ciAtpH8OtFe6xfRUXCpMN1QCgsp44 hAR4PgMZgvBnwBExmC0gMN0= =yf48 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_929063683P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:23: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:23:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFC937B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.com by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14Ex3W-00021H-01; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:23:02 +0100 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.225.195.120]) by fmrl05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14Ex3G-1J2CaOC; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:22:46 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C122AB0C; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:23:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CD5C914BA1; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:22:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:22:18 +0100 To: Robert Watson Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, adrian@FreeBSD.ORG, dcs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patch for features.sgml Message-ID: <20010106182218.A831@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:08:17AM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Robert Watson (rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG): > looking for a bored docs committer who feels like taking this one the rest > of the way to commit-land :-). The markup is just fine. I committed it. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:24:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:24:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3878237B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f06HOM717697; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:24:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:24:22 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alexander Langer Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, adrian@FreeBSD.ORG, dcs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patch for features.sgml In-Reply-To: <20010106182218.A831@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Robert Watson (rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > looking for a bored docs committer who feels like taking this one the rest > > of the way to commit-land :-). > > The markup is just fine. > I committed it. Great, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:28: 5 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:28:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AC237B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@y.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.68]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f06HRlv13469; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00619; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00615; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:27:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: y.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:27:46 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@y.glue.umd.edu To: James Roney Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Hiya In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, James Roney wrote: > Hi there, proprobly a very idiotic question but i really need to know, do > you guys support free shell acc's or give out free shell acc's Yes, check out arbornet.org. Since they are running FreeBSD, maybe this can be on the FreeBSD website...? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:30:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:30:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201E437B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06HU1I17567; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200101061730.f06HU1I17567@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC0A37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from robert@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06HNnn17680; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:23:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert) Message-Id: <200101061723.f06HNnn17680@fledge.watson.org> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:23:49 -0500 (EST) From: rwatson@freebsd.org Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: rwatson@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24113: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove Hardening Pr. Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24113 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove others >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jan 06 09:30:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Robert Watson >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD web tree, projects/projects.sgml >Description: Patch attached removes FreeBSD Hardening Project, which is now defunct, and adds TrustedBSD Project reference and description. I have zero SGML skill, so the patch is worth testing and fixing as needed. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: projects.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/projects/projects.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.93 diff -u -r1.93 projects.sgml --- projects.sgml 2000/12/31 19:36:55 1.93 +++ projects.sgml 2001/01/06 17:20:50 @@ -318,13 +318,6 @@ strength is the ability to perform high speed packet filtering for a larget number of individual hosts within an intranetwork. -
  • FreeBSD Hardening Project -The goal of the FreeBSD Hardening Project is to develop a set of -modifications to the base FreeBSD system that, when applied, allow -for a far more secure environment. Services would, in general, be -disabled until specifically enabled, much like modern firewall -policies.
    • -
  • Lottery Scheduling Kernel: This work is based on @@ -349,6 +342,12 @@ allows you to monitor and/or selectively block syscalls on your system. It could be used either as a safety monitoring device, policy enforcement, or debugging tool. + +
  • TrustedBSD +provides a set of trusted operating system extensions to the FreeBSD operating +system. This includes features such as fine-grained privileges (capabilities), +Access Control Lists, and Mandatory Access Control.
    • + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:35:22 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7A137B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06HZLW18264; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200101061735.f06HZLW18264@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rwatson@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24113: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove others Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove others State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sat Jan 6 09:34:26 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. I changed the Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBA737B402; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10770; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06HZUg34503; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200101061735.f06HZUg34503@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2+ 01/03/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, wilko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update In-Reply-To: <20010106001658.A70625@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010106001658.A70625@freebie.demon.nl> Comments: In-reply-to Wilko Bulte message dated "Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:16:58 +0100." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_994126474P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:35:30 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_994126474P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > 1. Conditional text so we can support multiple architectures from one > > set of source files (no more editing {i386,alpha}/RELNOTES.TXT). > > Yes! I knew you would like this part. :-) > > 2. The Supported Hardware lists from HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT > > have been combined. > > For alpha I have my doubts about this. There is far too much > untested hardware on alpha, and experience has shown that x86 != alpha > even when would expect no cpu-port specifics. This is fundamental > problem because we lack a wide alpha user base. And hence lack widespread > testing of hardware. Perhaps I was unclear. The problem I was trying to address was that a device we support could show up in at least four places: src/release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT src/release/texts/alpha/RELNOTES.TXT src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install Ergo, if we start supporting a new device, we need to edit as many as four files, and that's *before* the translation teams get to the handbook. Jim Mock was talking about nuking the section of the handbook with this information. I support this. For the remaining three TXT files, my goal was to take the union of HARDWARE.TXT and i386/RELNOTES.TXT (which should be, but are not, consistent), and to use conditionals to make the result consistent with alpha/RELNOTES.TXT when we build for that platform. The result is that we only have *one* source file for our Supported Hardware list. (Note that this doesn't preclude the information showing up in multiple documents, should we want this.) If you're concerned that some people have been adding devices to the alpha list without actually verifying whether or not they work, mea culpa, I've probably done this. In the future, new devices get surrounded by the appropriate conditional unless there's strong reason to believe they've actually been tested on multiple architectures. An example of where (I think) this is done right is the Adaptec SCSI controllers, as well as the newer RAID controllers. I *think* this addresses your concern above. It not, could you clarify? > > 3. DocBook markup, so we can generate release notes in multiple > > formats. > > Good idea. Except that our release notes are now 40+ pages long in PDF format. :-p > > At this point I would like to get some input from people. In > > particular: > > > > 1. First and foremost, is the concept a Good Thing(TM)? I'm pretty > > convinced we need something like this (particularly to deal with > > multiple architectures and information listed in various places). But > > if the consensus is "no", I want to bail out now. > > For me it is a good thing. > > > 2. Since I only use i386 architecture machines, I want to make sure > > we can cover the alpha (and later the ia64, sparc, ppc, or whatever > > else turns up). So I'd like some alpha folks to look their version > > over. One question I'd like to get answered: The alpha has its own > > HARDWARE.TXT file listing different processor/motherboard notes. I'd > > like to know people's thoughts about folding this in as well > > (particularly from Wilko, since he's maintaining it). > > I'm more than willing to convert alpha/HARDWARE.TXT into the right > input format. Assuming I'm allowed to bug someone about the right formatting > tools etc ;-) I learned from reading Nik's FDP Primer. IMHO, DocBook/SGML is like HTML with different (and more) tags. (Pause for groans from the "real" -doc committers.) If you bug me, at least you'll get another newbie's perspective. > I do not want to pull the HW.TXT into the Relnotes. I don't think that this > is a good idea. For me release notes are a thing that should be as small and > comprehensive as possible. More static info, like details on hardware > support etc, should be kept seperate. I was leaning towards putting everything in a single file, but my enthusiasm for this is starting to wane. It sounds like you would like the Supported Hardware list out of the release notes and have the users read this in exactly one document, which would be analogous to HARDWARE.TXT (and which would also contain the content from alpha/ HARDWARE.TXT). Is that right? I think I could go for that, but I'd like to hear from Nik and Jordan as well. Doing this will mean generalizing the infrastructure I've set up so that it can handle multiple documents. But that's not necessarily bad. While we're at it, we could think about supporting eventual translations. (Pause for groans from the translation teams.) > > 3. At some point, I'll need to talk to someone who's familiar with > > "make release" to see about how to integrate this into the build. It'll > > You want someone to look at that, no doubt. I've had some, um, interesting > discussions with David when I screwed up the release makefile during > introduction of alpha's HW.TXT. My bad, but not something to repeat. Oh yeah, gonna try real hard not to break release or world. Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_994126474P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6V1di2MoxcVugUsMRAizcAKD7SBgwqaHdlL3VIlSel9AMVeCKkwCglT8j zb2ZDk74DIpLp0hLRhNunkQ= =l6pA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_994126474P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 9:40: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:40:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AE137B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06He3t18815; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101061740.f06He3t18815@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Chris Faulhaber Subject: Re: docs/24113: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove Hardening Pr. Reply-To: Chris Faulhaber Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/24113; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Chris Faulhaber To: rwatson@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24113: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove Hardening Pr. Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:32:14 -0500 On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 12:23:49PM -0500, rwatson@freebsd.org wrote: > > >Number: 24113 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: Update for projects.sgml to include TrustedBSD, remove others > +
  • TrustedBSD s/rusted/trusted/ :) -- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 10:11: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 10:11:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5689237B400; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14Exnw-000L4s-00; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:11:00 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06IBvB76333; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:11:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:11:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, wilko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELNOTESng update Message-ID: <20010106191157.F76196@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200101051950.f05Jo0H24919@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010106001658.A70625@freebie.demon.nl> <200101061735.f06HZUg34503@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200101061735.f06HZUg34503@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 09:35:30AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 09:35:30AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > 2. The Supported Hardware lists from HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT > > > have been combined. > > > > For alpha I have my doubts about this. There is far too much > > untested hardware on alpha, and experience has shown that x86 != alpha > > even when would expect no cpu-port specifics. This is fundamental > > problem because we lack a wide alpha user base. And hence lack widespread > > testing of hardware. > > Perhaps I was unclear. The problem I was trying to address was that a > device we support could show up in at least four places: > > src/release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT > src/release/texts/alpha/RELNOTES.TXT > src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT > doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install > > Ergo, if we start supporting a new device, we need to edit as many as > four files, and that's *before* the translation teams get to the > handbook. Agreed, this stinks. > Jim Mock was talking about nuking the section of the handbook with this > information. I support this. For the remaining three TXT files, my I support this as well. > goal was to take the union of HARDWARE.TXT and i386/RELNOTES.TXT (which > should be, but are not, consistent), and to use conditionals to make the > result consistent with alpha/RELNOTES.TXT when we build for that > platform. The result is that we only have *one* source file for our > Supported Hardware list. (Note that this doesn't preclude the > information showing up in multiple documents, should we want this.) > > If you're concerned that some people have been adding devices to the > alpha list without actually verifying whether or not they work, mea > culpa, I've probably done this. In the future, new devices get > surrounded by the appropriate conditional unless there's strong reason > to believe they've actually been tested on multiple architectures. An Sounds like the way to go. > example of where (I think) this is done right is the Adaptec SCSI > controllers, as well as the newer RAID controllers. Mike tends to test on Alpha, so that is good quality control. I'd like to go like: if it has not been tested on alpha it is not in the alpha version of the docs. > > Good idea. > > Except that our release notes are now 40+ pages long in PDF format. :-p Hmm. I myself (YMMV) don't like relnotes the size of Encyclopedia Brittanica. But I *hate* incomplete release notes. > > > like to know people's thoughts about folding this in as well > > > (particularly from Wilko, since he's maintaining it). > > > > I'm more than willing to convert alpha/HARDWARE.TXT into the right > > input format. Assuming I'm allowed to bug someone about the right formatting > > tools etc ;-) > > I learned from reading Nik's FDP Primer. IMHO, DocBook/SGML is like > HTML with different (and more) tags. (Pause for groans from the "real" > -doc committers.) If you bug me, at least you'll get another newbie's > perspective. We'll see. I'll wait a bit till we have other people's inputs. > > I do not want to pull the HW.TXT into the Relnotes. I don't think that this > > is a good idea. For me release notes are a thing that should be as small and > > comprehensive as possible. More static info, like details on hardware > > support etc, should be kept seperate. > > I was leaning towards putting everything in a single file, but my > enthusiasm for this is starting to wane. It sounds like you would like > the Supported Hardware list out of the release notes and have the users > read this in exactly one document, which would be analogous to > HARDWARE.TXT (and which would also contain the content from alpha/ > HARDWARE.TXT). Is that right? I think I could go for that, but I'd Yes, let's not overload relnotes. > like to hear from Nik and Jordan as well. Seconded. > that it can handle multiple documents. But that's not necessarily bad. > While we're at it, we could think about supporting eventual > translations. (Pause for groans from the translation teams.) There should not be much translation work in lists of supported hardware. > > > 3. At some point, I'll need to talk to someone who's familiar with > > > "make release" to see about how to integrate this into the build. It'll > > > > You want someone to look at that, no doubt. I've had some, um, interesting > > discussions with David when I screwed up the release makefile during > > introduction of alpha's HW.TXT. My bad, but not something to repeat. > > Oh yeah, gonna try real hard not to break release or world. Good luck! -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 11:49:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 11:49:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FDB37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from DAUGHTER (ffmdi4-145-253-082-001.arcor-ip.net [145.253.82.1]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA12806 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:49:38 +0100 (MET) Received: by DAUGHTER with Microsoft Mail id <01C07822.0AF31D60@DAUGHTER>; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:48:37 +0100 Message-ID: <01C07822.0AF31D60@DAUGHTER> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?b=FCbo?= To: "'doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: Downloadable Version of the Handbook Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To make it short: Is there a downloadable version of the Handbook, and if there is one where can i get it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 12:13:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:13:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr3.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69B8837B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25355 invoked by alias); 6 Jan 2001 20:12:33 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f06KFCM00294 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:15:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:15:12 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Strange sequences Message-ID: <20010106211512.L64806@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm currently preparing the German FAQ for its eventual import into the main CVS repository. One of the things on my TODO list is a cleanup of the SGML sourcecode: nuke around *list/programlisting/screen, death to emphasis remap, suppe-runs, the works. In other words, finish the cleanup started in the original revison 1.87. I've noticed several strange SGML comments within the sourcecode, see $subject. What's the purpose of these things? They look like HTML leftovers (in an SGML document???) and I cannot find any effect caused by them. Removing them doesn't change the HTML output. What's the stroy behind them? /s/Udo -- There's more than one way to skin a cat: Way number 32 -- Wrap it around a lonely frat man's pecker. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 12:39:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:39:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF4837B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14EzeG-0008G3-00; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:09:08 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f06K98069035; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:09:08 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:09:07 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?b=FCbo?= Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Downloadable Version of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010106200907.W85794@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <01C07822.0AF31D60@DAUGHTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01C07822.0AF31D60@DAUGHTER> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bübo wrote: > To make it short: Is there a downloadable version of the Handbook, and if there is one where can i get it? *sigh* Yes, like it clearly says at , you can get it from the FreeBSD FTP server in . -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 16:19:54 2001 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 16:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A962737B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4247E6A918; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:49:48 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:49:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: reel Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Translation... Message-ID: <20010107104948.G44092@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <01010600441100.00429@che.idemnia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01010600441100.00429@che.idemnia.net>; from reel@sympatico.ca on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 12:42:41AM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 6 January 2001 at 0:42:41 -0500, reel wrote: > I just want to know if someone is currently working on the English > to French translation of the INSTALL document. Check out http://www.freebsd-fr.org/. In particular: Nous recherchons plus particulièrement : des traducteurs anglais -> français pour la traduction du "Handbook", de la "FAQ", du site web, des pages de manuels, des "Newsletter"... Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 23:31:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3870037B6D5 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f077U1125563; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.monkeys.com (236.dsl9226.rcsis.com [63.92.26.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7EA37B840 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rfg@localhost) by mail.monkeys.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f077BsU57011; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:11:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101070711.f077BsU57011@mail.monkeys.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Reply-To: rfg@monkeys.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/24125: connect(2) can yield EWOULDBLOCK/EAGAIN Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 24125 >Category: docs >Synopsis: connect(2) can yield EWOULDBLOCK/EAGAIN >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jan 06 23:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ronald F. Guilmette >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Infinite Monkeys & Co. >Environment: >Description: It appears that the connect(2) function can yield a -1 (error) result and can set errno to EAGAIN/EWOULDBLOCK in some cases when trying to connect sockets that have previously been marked as non-blocking. Note however that the man page for connect(2) documents no such possibility. Given that the text associated with EAGAIN is "Resource temporarily unavailable" it is clear that some resource is being used up, but I have no idea which one or even how to find out which one. I *am* using quite a lot of sockets in the relevant program, but still, it is both annoying and troublesome to be getting an undocumented errno result from connect(2) and not even have it be clear which resource limitation is causing this. >How-To-Repeat: Sorry, but I do not have any nice simple program which can demon- strate this problem at the moment... only a rather large application program. But if you need a small example program which triggers the problem (i.e. the undocumented EAGAIN errno result), let me know and I will try to cook one up. >Fix: For the resource limitation: None known. For the documentation problem: Fix the ERRORS section of the connect(2) man page so that it includes EAGAIN and so that it specifies what resource limitations might cause this result. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jan 6 23:40:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE7737B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f077e2o26448; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101070740.f077e2o26448@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: docs/24125: connect(2) can yield EWOULDBLOCK/EAGAIN Reply-To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/24125; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/24125: connect(2) can yield EWOULDBLOCK/EAGAIN Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:38:28 -0800 A brief follow-up on my own PR. I dug around in the networking parts of the kernel and found that what was probably happening to cause EAGAIN errors to be issued in response to connect(2) call was a absence of available (auto assigned) port numbers for outgoing connections. /sbin/sysctl -a says (under default conditions): net.inet.ip.portrange.first: 1024 net.inet.ip.portrange.last: 5000 This leaves less than 4000 available auto-assigned port number for outgoing connections. It appears that if those all get used up then connect(2) will start to yield -1 with errno set to EAGAIN. This should, of course, be documented in the ERRORS section of the connect(2) man page. Increasing the currently set value of net.inet.ip.portrange.last (via sysctl) seems to make the problem go away. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message