From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 0:53:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF0437B401; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markp@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from markp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f687oVK80232; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markp) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:50:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107080750.f687oVK80232@freefall.freebsd.org> To: markp@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28784: mh doc fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Old Synopsis: New Synopsis: mh doc fixes Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: markp Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 8 00:48:44 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled PR. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28784 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 6:59:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBBC37B407; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010708135927.WART1573.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 06:59:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3B48673E.FE13F587@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 08:59:26 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: dbopen man page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have some questions about the dbopen(3) man page. 1. It seems to me that the list of includes should include something like #include otherwise the various flags for open(2) are not defined (like O_RDWR, etc), and these are needed for dbopen. 2. If I do something like this: db->get(db,&key,&data,0); db->del(db,&key,0); then after the del command, the values pointed to by data are no longer valid (that is *(data.data) will have a new value). With hindsight this is obvious, but it caught me out, and maybe a warning in the man page would be appropriate. (Or maybe it is there and I didn't see it.) 3. This is nothing to do with FreeBSD, but maybe someone here knows. In Red-Hat Linux the dbopen man page is the same as for FreeBSD, but in the include files dbopen is supposed to have an extra 2nd argument of type DBX*. Anyone know what this is? The programs I wrote for FreeBSD won't compile in Red-Hat Linux. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 10:17:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B0737B403 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GG5004T6ZWOYK@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:14:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.4/8.9.3) id f68HIQd39154; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:18:26 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:17:45 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: What's happened to the handbook? In-reply-to: <20010708140918.S80862@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:09:18PM +0930 To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Documenters Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010708121745.A37827@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010708140918.S80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, July 08, 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > I just looked up the online handbook on the web site, and I note that > the format has changed. In particular, the sections I looked at (on > kernel debugging) are now all double spaced. Is that intentional? It > looks terrible. This patch to docbook.css removes the line-height attributes that I consider unnecessary. It fixes the odd spacing in itemized lists (in which the bullet is a line above the actual text) and the paragraph, blockquote and address spacing. -- +-------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Experience is what you get | | chris@calldei.com | when you were expecting something else. | +-------------------+-----------------------------------------+ --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="docbook.css.diff" Index: docbook.css =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/misc/docbook.css,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 docbook.css --- docbook.css 2001/07/03 12:30:32 1.3 +++ docbook.css 2001/07/08 17:13:48 @@ -27,7 +27,6 @@ */ BODY ADDRESS { - line-height: 1.3; margin: .6em 0; } @@ -39,7 +38,6 @@ HTML BODY { margin: 1em 8% 1em 10%; - line-height: 1.5; } .LEGALNOTICE { @@ -53,7 +51,6 @@ BODY DL { margin: .8em 0; - line-height: 1.2; } BODY FORM { @@ -108,12 +105,10 @@ BODY OL { margin: 0 0 0 5%; - line-height: 1.5; } BODY P { margin: .6em 0; - line-height: 1.5; } BODY PRE { @@ -122,17 +117,8 @@ color: #461b7e; } -BODY TD { - line-height: 1.3 -} - -BODY TH { - line-height: 1.3; -} - BODY UL, BODY DIR, BODY MENU { margin: 0 0 0 5%; - line-height: 1.5; } HTML { --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 10:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640DC37B406 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f68He1F63827; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (ns1.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D162637B403 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkamm@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at) Received: from homebox.kammerhofer.org (isdn119.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.119]) by ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25721 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:37:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from mkamm@localhost) by homebox.kammerhofer.org (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f677atR50474; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:36:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mkamm) Message-Id: <200107070736.f677atR50474@homebox.kammerhofer.org> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:36:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Kammerhofer Reply-To: Martin Kammerhofer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28822: handbook: IS_INTERACTIVE vs INTERACTIVE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28822 >Category: docs >Synopsis: handbook: IS_INTERACTIVE vs INTERACTIVE >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 08 10:40:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Martin Kammerhofer >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Graz University of Technology >Environment: System: FreeBSD homebox.kammerhofer.org 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Thu Jul 5 16:54:13 CEST 2001 admin@homebox.kammerhofer.org:/usr.extra/obj/usr/src/sys/LEND4 i386 >Description: This is a quote from the handbook: 4.5.1.22. I really do not want to spend all day staring at the monitor. Any better ideas? OK, do this before you go to bed/work/the local park: # cd /usr/ports # make -DBATCH install This will install every port that does not require user input. Then, when you come back, do: # cd /usr/ports # make -DIS_INTERACTIVE install to finish the job. From what I read in bsd.port.mk IS_INTERACTIVE has to be used inside a port's Makefile to mark it as interactive, but to tell make(1) to ignore interactive ports one uses INTERACTIVE. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: s/-DIS_INTERACTIVE/-DINTERACTIVE/ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 12:23:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540E637B401; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f68JFX077452; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107081915.f68JFX077452@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28784: mh doc fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: mh doc fixes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 8 12:15:22 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28784 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 12:23:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACFD37B403; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f68JN8q78444; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107081923.f68JN8q78444@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28776: various whitespace fixes for articles/freebsd-questions Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: various whitespace fixes for articles/freebsd-questions State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 8 12:22:54 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28776 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 15:45:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ED637B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobooker@vt.edu) Received: from vt.edu ([24.4.150.157]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010708224508.BSMA19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vt.edu> for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:45:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3B48E315.CA61F725@vt.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:47:49 -0400 From: Ichthyroid X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Virginia Tech} (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Chapter 6.8: groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With regard to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/users-groups.html in Example 6-8, the output shows jru is a member of teamteo, a misspelling of teamtwo. Also "The argument to the -M is a comma-delimited list of users who are members of the group. If you've read the preceeding sections, you'll know that the password file also contains a group for each user; the group in the password file is automatically added to the group list by the system and will not (should not) appear in the list of members when using pw(8) to query group membership." I don't quite understand this, but I take it to mean that if user jru is specified to be in group jru from his password file, then if you "pw groupshow jru" then jru will not be listed. If this is right, you may want to clarify the sentence. When you say "will not appear" it refers to the group. But I *think* you mean the USER will not appear. Either way, it's a confusing paragraph. Anywany, thanks for providing the documentation! John Booker To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 16: 1: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18ACC37B403 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29C73E28; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) To: Ichthyroid Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Chapter 6.8: groups In-Reply-To: <3B48E315.CA61F725@vt.edu>; from jobooker@vt.edu on "Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:47:49 -0400" Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:00:56 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010708230056.B29C73E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ichthyroid writes: > With regard to: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/users-groups.html > > in Example 6-8, the output shows jru is a member of teamteo, a > misspelling of teamtwo. Fixed, thanks! > Also > "The argument to the -M is a comma-delimited list of users who are > members of the group. If you've read the preceeding sections, you'll > know that the password file also contains a group for each user; the > group in the password file is automatically added to the group list by > the system and will not (should not) appear in the list of members when > using pw(8) to query group membership." > > I don't quite understand this, but I take it to mean that if user jru is > specified to be in group jru from his password file, then if you "pw > groupshow jru" then jru will not be listed. If this is right, you may > want to clarify the sentence. When you say "will not appear" it refers > to the group. But I *think* you mean the USER will not appear. Either > way, it's a confusing paragraph. Agreed. How about this: "The argument to the -M option is a comma-delimited list of users who are members of the group. If you've read the preceeding sections, you will know that the password file also contains a group for each user. The latter (the user) is automatically added to the group list by the system; the user will not show up as a member when using the groupshow command to pw(8), but will show up when the information is queried via id(1) or similar tool." > Anywany, thanks for providing the documentation! > John Booker > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 8 21: 5:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8F037B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@nuxi.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6945WR25535 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6945Vj87755 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:05:31 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: our "Project database" website should be documented Message-ID: <20010708210531.E85258@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone add a link to our project's data base at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html ? (sorry I do not remember the URL of the project page, else I would not be looking here for it). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 3:36:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F208937B407 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 03:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from srrao@india.hp.com) Received: from redsea.india.hp.com (redsea.india.hp.com [15.76.97.3]) by atlrel2.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1EB25A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from india.hp.com (ebnt9772.india.hp.com [15.76.97.72]) by redsea.india.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 SMKit7.02) id QAA09878 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:07:43 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3B498A7B.418D62BA@india.hp.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:12:03 +0530 From: Srinivasa Rao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Boot Image Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I could not contact the site for boot image. "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.3-RELEASE/floppies/" The error I got is: "An error occurred reading the contents of the folder. Make sure the file name is valid and you have permission to access the location specified" Could you please suggest other sites "ftp" , "http" to get this image. Thanks & Regards Srini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 3:37:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DC437B412 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 03:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from srrao@india.hp.com) Received: from redsea.india.hp.com (redsea.india.hp.com [15.76.97.3]) by atlrel2.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD07745 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from india.hp.com (ebnt9772.india.hp.com [15.76.97.72]) by redsea.india.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3 SMKit7.02) id QAA09978 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:09:27 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3B498AE3.32A8D655@india.hp.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:13:47 +0530 From: Srinivasa Rao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Free Bsd - Boot image Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I could not contact the site for boot image. "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.3-RELEASE/floppies/" The error I got is: "An error occurred reading the contents of the folder. Make sure the file name is valid and you have permission to access the location specified" Could you please suggest other sites "ftp" , "http" to get this image. Thanks & Regards Srini To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 4:25:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD8237B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 04:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 16D631360E; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:25:23 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Srinivasa Rao Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Boot Image Message-ID: <20010709072523.A6913@peitho.fxp.org> References: <3B498A7B.418D62BA@india.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B498A7B.418D62BA@india.hp.com>; from srrao@india.hp.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 04:12:03PM +0530 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 04:12:03PM +0530, Srinivasa Rao wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I could not contact the site for boot image. > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.3-RELEASE/floppies/" >=20 > The error I got is: > "An error occurred reading the contents of the folder. Make sure the > file name is valid and you have permission to access the location > specified" >=20 > Could you please suggest other sites "ftp" , "http" to get this image. >=20 The handbook contains numerous mirror sites... http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjtJlKMACgkQObaG4P6BelDtyQCeO1lzWpuszJfcVWv+TZxvYRhc hCUAn35XfJxhSk6UKQ3bUtxwr/GZ7ZG2 =im2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 6:23:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wiproecmx1.wipro.com (wiproecmx1.wipro.com [164.164.31.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049BB37B406 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sumanth.vidyadhara@wipro.com) Received: from ecvwall11.wipro.com (ecvwall1.wipro.com [192.168.181.23]) by wiproecmx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f69Ng4L22581 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:42:07 -0500 (GMT) Received: from ecvwall11.wipro.com ([192.168.181.23]) by ecmail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GG7JRG00.N8U for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:51:16 +0530 Received: from sumanth ([192.168.205.201]) by platinum.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GG7JSS00.C0T for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:52:04 +0530 Message-ID: <075701c1087b$7f6cf050$c9cda8c0@sumanth> From: "sumanth vidyadhara" To: Subject: How to read tunables for Network drivers Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:01:45 +0530 Organization: Wipro Global R&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0754_01C108A9.98FA72D0" ------=_NextPart_000_0754_01C108A9.98FA72D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, we are writing a nic driver for ethernet card in freebsd 4.3. I have a doubt on how do we get the configuration parameters like = setting the transmit descriptors,recevice decriptors,also some driver = specific tunables at load time of the driver module. Is there any call where the driver module can read that and populate the = variables in the driver(like Space.c in sco or unixware). Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sumanth ------=_NextPart_000_0754_01C108A9.98FA72D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
  we are writing a nic driver = for =20 ethernet card in freebsd 4.3.
I have a doubt on how do we  get = the=20 configuration parameters like setting the transmit descriptors,recevice=20 decriptors,also some driver specific tunables at load time of the driver = module.
 
Is there any call where the driver = module can read=20 that and populate the variables
in the driver(like Space.c in sco or=20 unixware).
 
Any help is greatly = appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Sumanth
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0754_01C108A9.98FA72D0-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 9:10:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A0937B407 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f69GAAc89573; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A76C37B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b078.otenet.gr [195.167.121.206]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f69G62C07985 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:06:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f69FBFk23804; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:11:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200107091511.f69FBFk23804@hades.hell.gr> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:11:15 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28836: bring tags to the end of the line that ends, in articles/multi-boot Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28836 >Category: docs >Synopsis: bring tags to the end of the line that ends, in articles/multi-boot >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 09 09:10:10 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Jun 24 18:34:43 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: The multi-boot article has a couple of tags preceded by whitespace. Correct this, to match the style of other documents in the repository. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch begins here --- Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.15 article.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml 2001/07/06 13:02:49 1.15 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml 2001/07/09 15:08:04 @@ -229,8 +229,7 @@ Press Esc to continue ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - +--------------------------------------------------------------------- ** May say FAT16 or FAT32 if you are using the OEM SR2 update. See ). @@ -728,8 +727,7 @@ can boot off a DOS floppy, and run: - A:\> FDISK /MBR - + A:\> FDISK /MBR to put the original, simple DOS boot code back into the --- patch ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 10:42:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz (dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.19.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C1937B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from horcicka@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz) Received: from localhost (horcicka@localhost) by dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f69Hg9j16630 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:42:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from horcicka@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:42:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Horcicka To: Subject: Broken Handbook's TOC Message-ID: <20010709193659.H15920-100000@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am not sure - did someone notice the broken table of contents in the html version of handbook? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html It is broken at least one day. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 11: 0:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2BE37B406 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f69I0Pq04399 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107091800.f69I0Pq04399@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver f [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/22] docs/26001 doc typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy o [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/03/28] docs/26194 doc BSD Family Tree needs updated o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/10] docs/26489 doc incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP o [2001/04/18] docs/26692 doc boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in o [2001/04/21] misc/26742 doc misleading information in handbook o [2001/04/25] docs/26861 doc accept(2) manpage documents non-existant o [2001/05/02] docs/27027 doc Update src/share/misc/iso639 o [2001/05/02] docs/27040 doc rc(8) and syscons(4) talk about rc.conf.l o [2001/05/08] docs/27209 doc [PATCH] ascii.7 table rearrangement and u o [2001/05/14] docs/27320 doc excessively vague information in pppoe pa o [2001/05/18] docs/27430 doc Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/05/29] docs/27731 doc Incorrect example code in dev handbook ca o [2001/05/29] docs/27758 doc ptrace(2) man page outdated o [2001/06/02] docs/27833 doc No man page for locate.rc o [2001/06/02] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/06/06] docs/27915 doc man 5 passwd does not properly explain th o [2001/06/09] docs/28000 doc adding and changing information in vidcon s [2001/06/14] docs/28144 doc no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in oth o [2001/06/20] docs/28306 doc docbook.css and OBJDIR o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/03] docs/28679 doc Images in handbook/advanced-networking mi o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl a [2001/07/04] docs/28705 doc the rest of those unfinished closing tags a [2001/07/05] docs/28723 doc www2.cz.FreeBSD.org is dead - remove it p o [2001/07/05] docs/28730 doc request for addition of a few more detail o [2001/07/05] docs/28731 doc inconsistent use of and tags of f o [2001/07/06] docs/28779 doc a few whitespace and typo fixes for artic o [2001/07/06] docs/28783 doc tag whitespace corrections for a o [2001/07/08] docs/28822 doc handbook: IS_INTERACTIVE vs INTERACTIVE o [2001/07/09] docs/28836 doc bring tags to the end of the li 71 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 11:27:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5354C37B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA25085; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:34:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3B49F7F3.D07B3E93@i-clue.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:29:07 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Srinivasa Rao Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free Bsd - Boot image References: <3B498AE3.32A8D655@india.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Srinivasa Rao schrieb: > > Hi, > > I could not contact the site for boot image. > "ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.3-RELEASE/floppies/" > > The error I got is: > "An error occurred reading the contents of the folder. Make sure the > file name is valid and you have permission to access the location > specified" > > Could you please suggest other sites "ftp" , "http" to get this image. Use another ftp client. M$ Internet Explorer has a well-known bug which causes your problems. Command line ftp in Windoze will work. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 17:16:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomsk.portland.co.uk (tomsk.portland.co.uk [212.15.64.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916C737B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@orinoco.portland.co.uk) Received: from orinoco.portland.co.uk (unknown [10.14.0.20]) by tomsk.portland.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B038E21816 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:16:41 +0100 (BST) Received: by orinoco.portland.co.uk (Postfix, from userid -2) id BC35A52FE; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:11:37 +0100 (GMT) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Озеленение и ландшафтный дизайн From: Компания "\"Русский" "Сад\"" Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Message-Id: <20010710001137.BC35A52FE@orinoco.portland.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:11:37 +0100 (GMT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Здравствуйте! 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Компании "Русский Сад" (095) 922-4686 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 21:40: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A937B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6A4e1M18932; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from whizkidtech.net (r3.bfm.org [216.127.220.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A3937B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6A4Wxc01335; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:32:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Message-Id: <200107100432.f6A4Wxc01335@whizkidtech.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:32:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Reply-To: adam@whizkidtech.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28860: Adding anti-alising to png images Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28860 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Adding anti-aliasing to PNG images created from EPS >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 09 21:40:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: G. Adam Stanislav >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 4.3-20010525-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE #0: Fri May 25 12:00:06 GMT 2001 root@usw3.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: Now that peps-1.0 has been committed in the ports, we can use it instead of eps2png. That will produce anti-aliased images that look much better than what we have now. P.S. It will be a good idea to redo all png images created from eps files before (perhaps by touching all .eps files so they have a new date and are forced to be reconverted). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc.images.mk.OLD Mon Jul 9 23:19:56 2001 +++ doc.images.mk Mon Jul 9 23:22:29 2001 @@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ .for _curimage in ${IMAGES_GEN_PNG} ${_curimage}: ${_curimage:S/.png$/.eps/} - eps2png -res ${EPS2PNG_RES} -output ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} + peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} .endfor .for _curimage in ${IMAGES_GEN_EPS} >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 9 23:11: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE0A37B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010710061057.UODP26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:10:57 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6A6Aqb21245; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107100610.f6A6Aqb21245@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: What's happened to the handbook? In-Reply-To: <20010708121745.A37827@holly.calldei.com> References: <20010708140918.S80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010708121745.A37827@holly.calldei.com> Comments: In-reply-to Chris Costello message dated "Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:17:45 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1966678556P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:10:52 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1966678556P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Chris Costello wrote: > This patch to docbook.css removes the line-height attributes > that I consider unnecessary. It fixes the odd spacing in > itemized lists (in which the bullet is a line above the actual > text) and the paragraph, blockquote and address spacing. I don't know much about CSS, but the end result looks a lot better to me, at least on the release notes. I'd like to see this committed. Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1966678556P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7Spxs2MoxcVugUsMRAt1fAJ9Lw0TG324Gxl11HvGqd7vugdVOxwCg+9KQ 8HK38TwTMYd9HazAcaZLM+4= =QrDE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1966678556P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 0: 8:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED2437B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juergen@ek-p.de) Received: from gate (dtm2-d931afb2.pool.mediaWays.net [217.49.175.178]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA24101 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:07:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c1090f$23c8b4c0$b2af31d9@gate> Reply-To: "Juergen" From: "Juergen" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:38:43 +0200 Organization: EK-projects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-bugs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 0: 8:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4A537B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juergen@ek-p.de) Received: from gate (dtm2-d931afb2.pool.mediaWays.net [217.49.175.178]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA24302 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:08:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001301c1090f$29a3e1d0$b2af31d9@gate> Reply-To: "Juergen" From: "Juergen" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:39:13 +0200 Organization: EK-projects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 0: 9: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C328E37B406 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juergen@ek-p.de) Received: from gate (dtm2-d931afb2.pool.mediaWays.net [217.49.175.178]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA24457 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:08:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001401c1090f$30de50c0$b2af31d9@gate> Reply-To: "Juergen" From: "Juergen" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:39:42 +0200 Organization: EK-projects MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-questions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 0:20:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B13937B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6A7K1I51296; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru [62.76.89.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C0937B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (root@bitmcnit.bryansk.su [192.168.121.2]) by rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6A7BTD08488 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:11:29 +0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id LAA09048 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:07:41 +0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6A6vBn01599; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:57:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200107100657.f6A6vBn01599@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:57:11 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28864: [patch] make clean in DocProj dirs leave generated files Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28864 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] make clean in DocProj dirs leave generated files >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 10 00:20:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alex Kapranoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Inner Mongolia >Environment: System: FreeBSD kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Jun 24 22:56:52 MSD 2001 root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su:/usr/src/sys/compile/KAPRAN i386 >Description: 1. Recent conversion to using CSS stylesheets for html-based formats missed adding docbook.css to CLEANFILES. 2. ${INDEX_SGML} is now generated whether ${GEN_INDEX} is defined or not. So add it to CLEANFILES unconditionally. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc.docbook.mk.orig Tue Jul 10 10:33:39 2001 +++ doc.docbook.mk Tue Jul 10 10:36:24 2001 @@ -135,23 +135,28 @@ .if ${_cf} == "html-split" _docs+= index.html HTML.manifest ln*.html CLEANFILES+= `[ -f HTML.manifest ] && xargs < HTML.manifest` HTML.manifest ln*.html +CLEANFILES+= docbook.css .elif ${_cf} == "html-split.tar" _docs+= ${DOC}.html-split.tar CLEANFILES+= `[ -f HTML.manifest ] && xargs < HTML.manifest` HTML.manifest ln*.html CLEANFILES+= ${DOC}.html-split.tar +CLEANFILES+= docbook.css .elif ${_cf} == "html" _docs+= ${DOC}.html CLEANFILES+= ${DOC}.html +CLEANFILES+= docbook.css .elif ${_cf} == "html.tar" _docs+= ${DOC}.html.tar CLEANFILES+= ${DOC}.html ${DOC}.html.tar +CLEANFILES+= docbook.css .elif ${_cf} == "txt" _docs+= ${DOC}.txt CLEANFILES+= ${DOC}.html ${DOC}.txt ${DOC}.html-text +CLEANFILES+= docbook.css .elif ${_cf} == "dvi" _docs+= ${DOC}.dvi @@ -205,13 +210,13 @@ # Index generation # INDEX_SGML?= index.sgml +CLEANFILES+= ${INDEX_SGML} .if defined(GEN_INDEX) HTML_SPLIT_INDEX?= html-split.index HTML_INDEX?= html.index PRINT_INDEX?= print.index -CLEANFILES+= ${INDEX_SGML} CLEANFILES+= ${HTML_SPLIT_INDEX} ${HTML_INDEX} ${PRINT_INDEX} .endif >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 3:38: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shelly.viewinternet.com (shelly.viewinternet.com [210.56.192.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00CE837B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boman@viewinternet.com) Received: (qmail 8813 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 10:37:52 -0000 Received: from venus.viewinternet.com (HELO boman) ([210.56.192.71]) (envelope-sender ) by shelly.viewinternet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jul 2001 10:37:52 -0000 From: "Michael Boman" To: Subject: Handbook addition Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:56 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-lpd - -alternatives.html Another alternative spooler is cups, /usr/ports/print/cups easy-to-use, www-based config. Give it a try and recomend it to the rest of the BSD users =) /Mike - -- Michael Boman Tel: +65 232 8877 Ass. 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Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AAeYg48016 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:40:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:40:34 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, [ WRS =3D=3D WindRiver Systems ] WRS intend to produce a second printed edition of the Handbook in late fall= =20 2001. To that end, they are "sponsoring" some ongoing work in order to=20 address the comments received from the last printing, and improve the=20 quality of the Handbook for all FreeBSD users. In talking with Murray Stokely we've identified an initial list of things t= hat need to happen to the Handbook before it's ready for primetime. Some of these are things that WRS can do, and contribute back to the community. Others are discussions we need to have on the -doc list, and, as ever, people to stand up and do the work :-) The expected changes are: 1. Generate an index. WRS are putting a lot of effort in to this, and expect to have it finished by the end of July.=20 2. Supplement the ASCII art with images. Something else on WRS' todo list, although it doesn't prevent anyone else with an artistic bent from picking some of the existing ASCII art and producing images for it as well. WRS expect to have this done by the end of August. 3. Stylesheet and wordlist We're quite inconsistent about the use and spelling of terms, and the stylesheet for authors is quite small. We're talking to O'Reilly about the licensing behind their stylesheet and wordlist=20 at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/stylesheet.html and the possiblity of making this available to all open source documentation projects (probably as a guide). [ "We're talking to O'Reilly"? OK, Murray and I were sat discussing this at Usenix, got up to leave, and the chap next to us introduced himself as Chuck Torporek, an editor at O'Reilly. Serendipity at its best. ] We probably also need a stylesheet for images that talks about size, fonts that we use, and so on. I know much less about this, so I'll hand wave at this point, and anyone with any experience should feel=20 free to chime in. 4. Spelling corrections 'nuff said. 5. Integration of Randy Pratt's install guide to replace much of the existing material in chapter 2. 6. Licensing Some sections of the Handbook are under inconsistent copyrights and licenses. I (nik) would like the entirety of the Handbook (and indeed, the FreeBSD docs as a whole) to be available under a consistent license, with the copyright transferred to a single entity --=20 probably the FreeBSD Foundation. Where sections of the Handbook do not do this, we will be contacting the original authors to ask them whether they would consider relicensing their work. If they are not happy for this to happen then we will need to replace the content=20 with text under a 'free-er' license. [ "we" in this context means the Doc. Proj. We haven't really discussed licenses in any great detail before, and it's a=20 discussion we should have -- it's going to form part of the=20 O'Reilly doc. summit in a few weeks time, and I'd like to go there knowing that I'm accurately representing the views of the community. ] 7. Attribution. Content in the Handbook is currently attributed in a number of different ways. Murray and I are considering; 1. Moving the existing attribution in to <*info> sections in the document (, , and so on, as necessary). 2. Writing tools to collate this information and automatically generate a "Contributors" section in the Handbook, in much the same way that the Index is automatically generated. This=20 might look something like: Author: Contribution: J. Bloggs Wrote much of the original networking section. F. Bloggs Rewrote the networking section to talk about IPv6. and so on. The intention is always that attribution information is retained in the .sgml, and that we have flexibility in determining how it is presented (and that it should never be ommitted). 8. Removing some content to other documents. As a minimum, we expect to move the following chapters and/or sections=20 Source Tree Guidelines and Policies -> Developer's Handbook Kernel Debugging -> Developer's Handbook PC Hardware Compatability -> Book in its own right (?) Bibliography -> Book in its own right (?) In addition, for printing, it is envisaged that the PGP keys section will list individual key fingerprints, but not the whole key (unless we can print this section in 4 point type. . .) The PGP key info won't be removed, but it will just be excised for printing. 9. Adding additional content Chern Lee is working on a chapter for "Configuration and Tuning", and Chris Shumway is working on extending the X11 chapter. 10. Use admonition graphics. Cute little icons to go next to Tips, Notes, Warnings, and so on. The icons that come with the DocBook stylesheets are serviceable,=20 but boring. I've singularly failed to get replacements for these, WRS might be able to spare some time from a designer for a set. Comments and suggestions are, as ever, sought. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtK26EACgkQk6gHZCw343WXDgCeLO7c0kDSl1z+Z3Vm0xQsgTsv nyIAoI1Fo2iE9s+prKaqsTJCGrRSgkau =72IT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 4:32:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2126837B405; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B863E28; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:32:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:40:34 +0100" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:32:47 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > 2. Supplement the ASCII art with images. > > Something else on WRS' todo list, although it doesn't prevent anyone > else with an artistic bent from picking some of the existing ASCII art > and producing images for it as well. WRS expect to have this done by > the end of August. Do we have a mechanism so that we can keep the ASCII art and display it where necessary? I.e., I'd rather not see the ASCII art thrown away; not everybody wants to start a graphics-capable browser to read the docs (I know I don't). > 3. Stylesheet and wordlist > > We're quite inconsistent about the use and spelling of terms, > and the stylesheet for authors is quite small. We're talking to > O'Reilly about the licensing behind their stylesheet and wordlist > at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/stylesheet.html and the > possiblity of making this available to all open source documentation > projects (probably as a guide). I'm not quite sure what this is. Is this a stylesheet as in a DSSSL stylesheet? It seems that the link above is what we need; it talks about how certain things should be written, etc. Do we need a license to look at it? Or am I missing something? > 5. Integration of Randy Pratt's install guide to replace much of the > existing material in chapter 2. I haven't read Randy Pratt's install guide, but just about anything is better than the outdated stuff we have! Unless somebody else (e.g., Randy Pratt) wants to do this, I will (or I'll check in someone else's patches to do it). > 6. Licensing > > Some sections of the Handbook are under inconsistent copyrights > and licenses. I (nik) would like the entirety of the Handbook (and > indeed, the FreeBSD docs as a whole) to be available under a consistent > license, with the copyright transferred to a single entity -- > probably the FreeBSD Foundation. Where sections of the Handbook do > not do this, we will be contacting the original authors to ask them > whether they would consider relicensing their work. If they are not > happy for this to happen then we will need to replace the content > with text under a 'free-er' license. I don't see a problem with individual copyright holders as long as they're using a reasonable license. Their name in the copyright notice is also a form of credit; not everybody thinks it's appropriate to clutter the main text with "I rewrote this" type of attributions. > 8. Removing some content to other documents. > > As a minimum, we expect to move the following chapters and/or > sections > > Source Tree Guidelines and Policies -> Developer's Handbook > Kernel Debugging -> Developer's Handbook Perhaps now's a good time to bring this up: what exactly is the Developer's Handbook supposed to be? Right now, it seems it's a more advanced (read: more technical) version of the Handbook. This is good, but it contains three types of content: general programming information (e.g., sockets), FreeBSD-specific programming information (e.g., kernel API), and (soon? already?) general information for/about FreeBSD developers and/or the development process (e.g., source tree guidelines). It would be nice to break up it into those three sections, but at least the latter bits (info for/about FreeBSD developers) shouldn't be in it. Perhaps we can take that and the Committer's Guide and make it into The Big Book of the FreeBSD Community (please don't use that name, though!). > PC Hardware Compatability -> Book in its own right (?) This should probably be in the relnotes. > Bibliography -> Book in its own right (?) Erm, the bibliography should really stay with the document (book) that it goes along with. However, the Handbook's Bibliography section should be spelled Other Links. > 9. Adding additional content > > Chern Lee is working on a chapter for "Configuration and Tuning", > and Chris Shumway is working on extending the X11 chapter. Yes! This is exactly what we need more of. We have plenty of people doing the minor whitespace/spelling fixes, but we've been down on new or updated content lately (and I'm not helping :-/). And while WRS is sponsering this stuff, perhaps they can get another computer to act as www.freebsd.org; having freefall do that isn't good for security. Oh, and maybe they can help fix the "broken Handbook" problem that comes up every so often on the lists; it's quite real, and is happening more and more often now :-/. Regards, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 6:20:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451FB37B405; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:20:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6ACvre48545; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:57:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:57:53 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="reI/iBAAp9kzkmX4" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:32:47AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --reI/iBAAp9kzkmX4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:32:47AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Nik Clayton writes: > > 2. Supplement the ASCII art with images. > >=20 > > Something else on WRS' todo list, although it doesn't prevent anyo= ne > > else with an artistic bent from picking some of the existing ASCII= art > > and producing images for it as well. WRS expect to have this done= by > > the end of August. >=20 > Do we have a mechanism so that we can keep the ASCII art and display > it where necessary? I.e., I'd rather not see the ASCII art thrown > away; not everybody wants to start a graphics-capable browser to read > the docs (I know I don't). Yes we do. See section 4.2.6 of the primer. We've previously talked about adding another format to the set that's generated; html-no-images (or similar). That's trivial to generate (since we already generate it in order to produce the plain text version of the docs). However, it brings up an additional issue -- currently, the output formats are all produced in the 'current' directory. This works OK for the formats that we have, since none of them have filenames that 'collide' with one another. It won't work with a hypothetical 'html-no-images' format. The likes of 'book.html' is perfectly legitimate in this format, which would collide with the files generated by the 'html' format. It's also feasible that people would want an 'html-split-no-images' format as well, the output files for which would collide with the output from the 'html-split' format. > > 3. Stylesheet and wordlist > >=20 > > We're quite inconsistent about the use and spelling of terms, > > and the stylesheet for authors is quite small. We're talking to > > O'Reilly about the licensing behind their stylesheet and wordlist > > at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/author/stylesheet.html and the > > possiblity of making this available to all open source documentati= on > > projects (probably as a guide). >=20 > I'm not quite sure what this is. Is this a stylesheet as in a DSSSL > stylesheet? =20 No. I'm thinking more in terms Strunk and White, the Chicago Manual of Style, and so on. Not that we need to be that comprehensive, but we probably need to a little more comprehensive than the current few paragraphs in the primer. > It seems that the link above is what we need; it talks > about how certain things should be written, etc. Do we need a license > to look at it? Or am I missing something? We're not the only documentation project that would benefit from this sort of thing. If a number of projects adopt the O'Reilly style then perhaps O'Reilly could help out -- set up a mailing list where notifications of changes to the style or wordlist are sent to, so that each project 'tracking' the O'Reilly work is alerted, and so on. =20 > > 5. Integration of Randy Pratt's install guide to replace much of the > > existing material in chapter 2. >=20 > I haven't read Randy Pratt's install guide,=20 http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/ > but just about anything is > better than the outdated stuff we have! Unless somebody else (e.g., > Randy Pratt) wants to do this, I will (or I'll check in someone else's > patches to do it). Randy (and Murray) are working on it at the moment I believe. > > 6. Licensing > >=20 > > Some sections of the Handbook are under inconsistent copyrights > > and licenses. I (nik) would like the entirety of the Handbook (and > > indeed, the FreeBSD docs as a whole) to be available under a consi= stent > > license, with the copyright transferred to a single entity -- > > probably the FreeBSD Foundation. Where sections of the Handbook do > > not do this, we will be contacting the original authors to ask them > > whether they would consider relicensing their work. If they are n= ot > > happy for this to happen then we will need to replace the content > > with text under a 'free-er' license. >=20 > I don't see a problem with individual copyright holders as long as > they're using a reasonable license. =20 We still have to define 'reasonable' in this context. There are a half dozen or so 'documentation' licenses out there; the GNU Free Documentation License, the Open Content License, and whatever licenses people like Apple are using for Darwin. Then there's the BSD-style license I (fairly abitrarily) slapped on the Handbook. I'm also uncertain how things like the copyright notice on chapter 13, or appendix F, 4,3,=20 I guess it's not so much copyright as license that I'm concerned about. > Their name in the copyright > notice is also a form of credit; not everybody thinks it's appropriate > to clutter the main text with "I rewrote this" type of attributions. You snipped the bit where we discussed attribution. Any thoughts? > > 8. Removing some content to other documents. > >=20 > > As a minimum, we expect to move the following chapters and/or > > sections > >=20 > > Source Tree Guidelines and Policies -> Developer's Handbook > > Kernel Debugging -> Developer's Handbook >=20 > Perhaps now's a good time to bring this up: what exactly is the > Developer's Handbook supposed to be? =20 I'll leave this to Murray and/or Asmodai, as the Dev. Handbook is their initiative. > > Bibliography -> Book in its own right = (?) >=20 > Erm, the bibliography should really stay with the document (book) that > it goes along with. However, the Handbook's Bibliography section > should be spelled Other Links. I was envisioning a 'meta' bibliography. Books/articles that need a bibliography include this one, and the stylesheets can be configured to only include information about books that are referenced in the main text. At the same time, we could then have a separate 'bibliography' book that just contained details about every other document listed in the bibliographies of all the other books. > > 9. Adding additional content > >=20 > > Chern Lee is working on a chapter for "Configuration and Tuning", > > and Chris Shumway is working on extending the X11 chapter. >=20 > Yes! This is exactly what we need more of. We have plenty of people > doing the minor whitespace/spelling fixes, but we've been down on new > or updated content lately (and I'm not helping :-/). >=20 > And while WRS is sponsering this stuff, perhaps they can get another > computer to act as www.freebsd.org; having freefall do that isn't good > for security. Oh, and maybe they can help fix the "broken Handbook" > problem that comes up every so often on the lists; it's quite real, > and is happening more and more often now :-/. Working on it (I've just pinged admins@freebsd.org about this). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --reI/iBAAp9kzkmX4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtK+9EACgkQk6gHZCw343XliQCcC5sBzm9vOIaI9wOryUYl47rK 1YgAnRbvdHCHFBR0mFrLXbSkrdO7lP9K =qZs/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --reI/iBAAp9kzkmX4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 6:54:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655DE37B403; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8803E2F; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:57:53 +0100" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:54:50 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:32:47AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Do we have a mechanism so that we can keep the ASCII art and display > > it where necessary? I.e., I'd rather not see the ASCII art thrown > > away; not everybody wants to start a graphics-capable browser to read > > the docs (I know I don't). > > Yes we do. See section 4.2.6 of the primer. > > We've previously talked about adding another format to the set that's > generated; html-no-images (or similar). That's trivial to generate > (since we already generate it in order to produce the plain text version > of the docs). > > However, it brings up an additional issue -- currently, the output formats > are all produced in the 'current' directory. This works OK for the > formats that we have, since none of them have filenames that 'collide' > with one another. > > It won't work with a hypothetical 'html-no-images' format. The likes of > 'book.html' is perfectly legitimate in this format, which would collide > with the files generated by the 'html' format. It's also feasible that > people would want an 'html-split-no-images' format as well, the output > files for which would collide with the output from the 'html-split' > format. Okay, so it's possible but not exactly trivial. Well, that's good enough. At this point, it'd just be nice if whoever replaces the ASCII art with something else leave the ASCII art intact, perhaps in a comment. > > I don't see a problem with individual copyright holders as long as > > they're using a reasonable license. =20 > > We still have to define 'reasonable' in this context. There are a half > dozen or so 'documentation' licenses out there; the GNU Free > Documentation License, the Open Content License, and whatever licenses > people like Apple are using for Darwin. Then there's the BSD-style > license I (fairly abitrarily) slapped on the Handbook. Berkeley stuck their BSDL on the man pages that shipped with 4.4BSD. I mean they stuck it on them verbatim; it still mentions distribution in source and binary form :-). At least you modified the one you stuck on the Handbook to actually refer to documentation rather than source code. Well, I guess we need to come up with one de-facto license and ask that new documentation use it, and try to convince the other copyright holders to adopt it. > > I'm also uncertain how things like the copyright notice on chapter 13, > or appendix F, 4,3, Which chapter 13 ;-)? On my local build, 13 is l10n; on www.freebsd.org (which is messed up right now), it's x11. Neither has anything that resembles a license at the top. > I guess it's not so much copyright as license that I'm concerned about. > > > Their name in the copyright > > notice is also a form of credit; not everybody thinks it's appropriate > > to clutter the main text with "I rewrote this" type of attributions. > > You snipped the bit where we discussed attribution. Any thoughts? I like the idea of sticking attributions somewhere away from the mainline text. Since this is what you proposed, I felt no need to comment on it. > > Erm, the bibliography should really stay with the document (book) that > > it goes along with. However, the Handbook's Bibliography section > > should be spelled Other Links. > > I was envisioning a 'meta' bibliography. Books/articles that need a > bibliography include this one, and the stylesheets can be configured to > only include information about books that are referenced in the main > text. > > At the same time, we could then have a separate 'bibliography' book that > just contained details about every other document listed in the > bibliographies of all the other books. Okay, that makes sense. "Bibliography of all FreeBSD Documents". I'll see about doing that. > > And while WRS is sponsering this stuff, perhaps they can get another > > computer to act as www.freebsd.org; having freefall do that isn't good > > for security. Oh, and maybe they can help fix the "broken Handbook" > > problem that comes up every so often on the lists; it's quite real, > > and is happening more and more often now :-/. > > Working on it (I've just pinged admins@freebsd.org about this). I hope you mean about the first part, not the part about the corrupted Handbook. I think the latter is caused either by a malfunction in Jade, or, more likely, a malfunction in the way Jade is run. I recall logging into freefall and seeing two instances of jade running; this either means that the build took more than 12 hours, that the build scripts used the -j option to make(1), or some other weirdness. Since this happens quite often on freefall but never for anybody else (that I know of), it's likely that it has something to do with the build environment. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 7:20:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Mercury.acs.unt.edu (mercury.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5570837B408 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elzubeir@unt.edu) Received: from eaglemail.unt.edu (eaglemail.unt.edu [129.120.209.20]) by Mercury.acs.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20685 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:20:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by eaglemail.unt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08176 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:20:38 -0500 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Handbook Translation Message-ID: <994774838.3b4b0f36864aa@eaglemail.unt.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Mohammed Elzubeir MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 129.120.16.158 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We are currently in the process of translating the FreeBSD Handbook to the Arabic Language. So far we have chapter 18 and 1 (most of 2) done. I would like to work out the details of: 1. Any particular thing we should pay attention to while doing the translation. 2. Any specific format we have to stick to. 3. How we can post our contributions and make it part of the FreeBSD site ... /usr/share/doc/.. etc. Thank you. Mohammed Elzubeir Aunyx - Arabic Unix Project http://www.aunyx.org/ Unix, the 'right' way [elzubeir@fakkir.net] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 7:20:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1135837B408; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6ADvvQ48881; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:57:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:57:57 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: Dima Dorfman , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710145757.J16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLfjTIIQuAzj8yil" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:57:53PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --SLfjTIIQuAzj8yil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:57:53PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:32:47AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Nik Clayton writes: > > > 2. Supplement the ASCII art with images. > > >=20 > > > Something else on WRS' todo list, although it doesn't prevent an= yone > > > else with an artistic bent from picking some of the existing ASC= II art > > > and producing images for it as well. WRS expect to have this do= ne by > > > the end of August. > >=20 > > Do we have a mechanism so that we can keep the ASCII art and display > > it where necessary? I.e., I'd rather not see the ASCII art thrown > > away; not everybody wants to start a graphics-capable browser to read > > the docs (I know I don't). >=20 > Yes we do. See section 4.2.6 of the primer. >=20 > We've previously talked about adding another format to the set that's > generated; html-no-images (or similar). That's trivial to generate > (since we already generate it in order to produce the plain text version > of the docs). >=20 > However, it brings up an additional issue -- currently, the output formats > are all produced in the 'current' directory. This works OK for the > formats that we have, since none of them have filenames that 'collide' > with one another. >=20 > It won't work with a hypothetical 'html-no-images' format. The likes of > 'book.html' is perfectly legitimate in this format, which would collide > with the files generated by the 'html' format. It's also feasible that > people would want an 'html-split-no-images' format as well, the output > files for which would collide with the output from the 'html-split' > format. Looks like I forgot to finish this before sending :-) =20 I'm thinking that perhaps we should have an output directory (that defaults= =20 to ${.curdir}) and that the output is placed in subdirectories of this,=20 according to the format, ${.curdir}/html/book.html, ${.curdir}/ps/book.ps, ${.curdir}/html-split-no-images/index.html, and so on. Maybe make the directory names all caps, or have a leading '_', or something, so that they cluster at the beginning of ls(1) output. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --SLfjTIIQuAzj8yil Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtLCeQACgkQk6gHZCw343XK6QCfSCbX4y0Pfa6YuDGz2XOBQhAf gF0AoIYCB3vOvCkNjwy2bbALjMdOOauf =Jsch -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLfjTIIQuAzj8yil-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 7:21:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5254937B405; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6AELYm22097 ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA55611 ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:21:33 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710162133.D52928@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:54:50AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dima Dorfman said on Jul 10, 2001 at 06:54:50: > Berkeley stuck their BSDL on the man pages that shipped with 4.4BSD. > I mean they stuck it on them verbatim; it still mentions distribution > in source and binary form :-). I'd call PDF a binary form :-) The O'Reilly style guide looks quite good. How about simply linking to it (as a suggestion/recommendation to authors) on the documentation project page, rather than copying it or seeking to formally co-opt it? It doesn't say anything about writing style, which some people on this list were worried about earlier (formal vs informal). R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 8:20:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEC837B406; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AF2e577916; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:02:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:02:40 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710160240.K16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hl1kWnBARzJiTscN" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:54:50AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --hl1kWnBARzJiTscN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:54:50AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Nik Clayton writes: > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:32:47AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > > Do we have a mechanism so that we can keep the ASCII art and display > > > it where necessary? I.e., I'd rather not see the ASCII art thrown > > > away; not everybody wants to start a graphics-capable browser to read > > > the docs (I know I don't). > >=20 > > Yes we do. See section 4.2.6 of the primer. > Okay, so it's possible but not exactly trivial. Well, that's good > enough. At this point, it'd just be nice if whoever replaces the > ASCII art with something else leave the ASCII art intact, perhaps in a > comment. The ASCII art will always be retained, otherwise the plain text output format would stop working. In that respect, there's no change. > > > I don't see a problem with individual copyright holders as long as > > > they're using a reasonable license. =3D20 > >=20 > > We still have to define 'reasonable' in this context. There are a half > > dozen or so 'documentation' licenses out there; the GNU Free > > Documentation License, the Open Content License, and whatever licenses > > people like Apple are using for Darwin. Then there's the BSD-style > > license I (fairly abitrarily) slapped on the Handbook. >=20 > Berkeley stuck their BSDL on the man pages that shipped with 4.4BSD. > I mean they stuck it on them verbatim; it still mentions distribution > in source and binary form :-). At least you modified the one you > stuck on the Handbook to actually refer to documentation rather than > source code. >=20 > Well, I guess we need to come up with one de-facto license and ask > that new documentation use it, and try to convince the other copyright > holders to adopt it. >=20 > > I'm also uncertain how things like the copyright notice on chapter 13, > > or appendix F, 4,3, >=20 > Which chapter 13 ;-)? On my local build, 13 is l10n; on > www.freebsd.org (which is messed up right now), it's x11. Neither has > anything that resembles a license at the top. The x11 chapter, which has a note that the chapter remains copyright Greg -- I've got no idea what license Greg gave when he donated this chapter to the doc. project. It may have included a "Do not distribute for profit" clause. We need to go through the documentation and clear these up. > > > And while WRS is sponsering this stuff, perhaps they can get another > > > computer to act as www.freebsd.org; having freefall do that isn't good > > > for security. Oh, and maybe they can help fix the "broken Handbook" > > > problem that comes up every so often on the lists; it's quite real, > > > and is happening more and more often now :-/. > >=20 > > Working on it (I've just pinged admins@freebsd.org about this). >=20 > I hope you mean about the first part, not the part about the corrupted > Handbook. I think the latter is caused either by a malfunction in > Jade, or, more likely, a malfunction in the way Jade is run. I recall > logging into freefall and seeing two instances of jade running; this > either means that the build took more than 12 hours, that the build > scripts used the -j option to make(1), or some other weirdness. Since > this happens quite often on freefall but never for anybody else (that > I know of), it's likely that it has something to do with the build > environment. It's something to do with freefall, as I've *never* seen this corruption when I build the docs locally. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --hl1kWnBARzJiTscN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtLGQ8ACgkQk6gHZCw343VR3gCbBcNpzz7EZXZPU1/bDGBh7DMh XFYAn0JE6ibXes5Lh9YMbYoXs72M7gS8 =6VHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hl1kWnBARzJiTscN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 8:21: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D9737B401; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AF50877937; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:05:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:05:00 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710160500.L16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710135450.EA8803E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010710162133.D52928@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OGLMwEELQbPC02lM" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710162133.D52928@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:21:33PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OGLMwEELQbPC02lM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:21:33PM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > The O'Reilly style guide looks quite good. How about simply linking > to it (as a suggestion/recommendation to authors) on the documentation > project page, rather than copying it or seeking to formally co-opt > it? =20 Because the O'Reilly site says it changes frequently. I'd like to get notice when that happens (yes, I know there are websites that'll do this for you, but I'd like to give O'Reilly the opportunity to be involved). Who knows, maybe we can convince them to put it under a BSD license. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --OGLMwEELQbPC02lM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtLGZwACgkQk6gHZCw343WtRwCfXP3UY0/naQSXXsRK1vYcjki/ OnMAnishhXhGrxuCjm08g8xDepY2HXCt =A1q+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OGLMwEELQbPC02lM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 8:40:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7747837B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (root@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.148]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23431; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:24 +0200 Received: (from alex@localhost) by fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AFeiX65848; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:44 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Mohammed Elzubeir Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook Translation Message-ID: <20010710174044.B65778@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de> References: <994774838.3b4b0f36864aa@eaglemail.unt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <994774838.3b4b0f36864aa@eaglemail.unt.edu>; from elzubeir@unt.edu on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 09:20:38AM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Mohammed Elzubeir (elzubeir@unt.edu): Hello Mohammed! > We are currently in the process of translating the > FreeBSD Handbook to the Arabic Language. So far we have > chapter 18 and 1 (most of 2) done. I would like to work Great! > 1. Any particular thing we should pay attention to > while doing the translation. I myself (German translation) found out, that it helps you a lot in later updates if you keep most of the formatting of the original SGML file and only change the content. I have no other tips, sorry. > 2. Any specific format we have to stick to. SGML? Sorry, what do you mean with "format"? > 3. How we can post our contributions and make it part > of the FreeBSD site ... /usr/share/doc/.. etc. You should find out how the handbook etc are built. You should create an Arabic subdir in the doc/ tree (locally in your tree) with the correct ISO name (whatever is correct for Arabian language). Then add the language specific share/ subdirs etc (see the other translations). After that, make sure everything builds ok and find a committer (probably a good idea to have one who is familiar of the Arabic language or at least can read/understand it :) who commits your initial work into the doc tree :) HTH Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 9: 6:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from titan.titan-project.org (titan.titan-project.org [216.127.78.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22BD37B40B for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Received: from localhost (cshumway@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.titan-project.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6AG6jM89433 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Shumway To: Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: <20010710090520.Y89273-100000@titan.titan-project.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > 9. Adding additional content > > Chern Lee is working on a chapter for "Configuration and Tuning", > and Chris Shumway is working on extending the X11 chapter. > And we will probably have some more content down the pipeline... --- Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org cshumway@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 9:22:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5D737B407; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f6AGMbp42821; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:22:37 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010710092237.A42023@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:57:53PM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:57:53PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > better than the outdated stuff we have! Unless somebody else (e.g., > > Randy Pratt) wants to do this, I will (or I'll check in someone else's > > patches to do it). > > Randy (and Murray) are working on it at the moment I believe. I think Randy could definitely use some help from Dima or anyone else getting this finished. I'm not working on this at the moment. > > Perhaps now's a good time to bring this up: what exactly is the > > Developer's Handbook supposed to be? Or for that matter, what exactly is the Handbook supposed to be? I'm more interested in clearly defining what we want the handbook to be and adding a paragraph to this affect to the Introduction chapter. Clearly the Handbook has a different purpose than a book like say, The Complete FreeBSD, we just need to define what that is exactly. As for the Developer's Handbook, I think its ok to leave this undefined for now since there are such huge gaps in the content and we're really not sure what sort of document we are going to end up with. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 10:40:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5037B403; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010710174012.ZWMT9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:40:12 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6AHeAO26213; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:32:47 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1054791284P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:40:10 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1054791284P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > 8. Removing some content to other documents. [snip] > > PC Hardware Compatability -> Book in its own right (?) > > This should probably be in the relnotes. Just to echo this. There is a "Hardware Compatability" list (both PC and Alpha) in the release documentation. It is *much* more up to date and detailed than what's in the Handbook; more importantly, it's tied pretty closely to the release notes. A pointer to the release documentation (from the handbook), with maybe some generic statements about what types of hardware are supported, should suffice IMHO. The list itself is a bit long to go in the Handbook. This brings up another point...that there's considerable overlap between some sections of the handbook and some files in the release documentation. In particular, see the "Installing FreeBSD" section of the Handbook and INSTALL.TXT or its RELNOTESng equivalent. It looks to me like these two sections had a common ancestor, but diverged considerably. I've wanted to audit these for consistency, but I'm not sure when I'll get time to do this. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1054791284P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7Sz362MoxcVugUsMRAokhAJ4hzYiBwRDOIsrcAYAFZ/sFkh/WNACgu+86 csVbuBIYr/LCXho/iBSEG6E= =h1Ho -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1054791284P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 12:45:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ocn.ne.jp (tsukasa1.tsukasa-unet.ocn.ne.jp [210.162.254.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A3DE37B403 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlm_info@yahoo.com) From: SUPER-OFFER To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: На рынке это стоит в 3 - 5 раз дороже, чем предлагаем Мы !!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Message-Id: <20010710194457.0A3DE37B403@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ( windows-1251 ) SUPER - предложение! База E-mail адресов. 311 тысяч адресов в виде текстовых файлов. все адреса - Российские пользователи без каких либо иных данных, кроме самого e-mail адреса. Цена ВСЕГО : 7$ !, или 200 руб. ! Адреса НЕ "забиты" ! Мы не занимаемся рассылкой, Мы лишь продаем список E-Mail адресов. Оплата ТОЛЬКО по WebMoney, или E-Gold ЦЕНА НЕ ОБСУЖДАЕТСЯ ! Связь по e-mail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 12:55:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (rh12.bfm.org [216.127.220.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8161237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AJtJu00312 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:55:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:54:38 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28860: Adding anti-alising to png images Message-ID: <20010710145438.A296@whizkidtech.net> References: <200107100432.f6A4Wxc01335@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107100432.f6A4Wxc01335@whizkidtech.net>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:32:59PM -0500 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-Assembly-Language: http://int80h.org/ X-Web-Search: http://phonecowboy.master.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 4.3-20010525-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:32:59PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >>Number: 28860 >>Category: docs >>Synopsis: Adding anti-aliasing to PNG images created from EPS >>Fix: >--- doc.images.mk.OLD Mon Jul 9 23:19:56 2001 >+++ doc.images.mk Mon Jul 9 23:22:29 2001 >@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ > > .for _curimage in ${IMAGES_GEN_PNG} > ${_curimage}: ${_curimage:S/.png$/.eps/} >- eps2png -res ${EPS2PNG_RES} -output ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} >+ peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} Oops, that last line should have been + peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -p -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} Note the "-p" please. Adam -- Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself... -- Mark Twain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 16:26:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F6237B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBBF26ACBC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:56:34 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:56:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Michael Boman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook addition Message-ID: <20010711085634.E92298@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from boman@viewinternet.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 06:39:56PM +0800 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 18:39:56 +0800, Michael Boman wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-lpd > - -alternatives.html > > Another alternative spooler is cups, /usr/ports/print/cups > > easy-to-use, www-based config. Give it a try and recomend it to the > rest of the BSD users =) That's for you to do. Write it up and submit it for the handbook. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 16:38: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694D437B405; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ANbqg24381; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6ANbpJ47680; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:37:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107102337.f6ANbpJ47680@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/vinum vinum.8 Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:26:05 +0930." <20010711082605.D64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010711082605.D64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200107101800.f6AI0Jg09923@freefall.freebsd.org> <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <200107041418.f64EIXJ57365@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010704173757.A296@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <20010705084955.A92314@sunbay.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:37:51 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [[ I've redirected this to doc@ because the greg cc'd core for reasons that make no sense to me ]] 1) WOULD YOU STOP CCING CORE UNTIL YOUVE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO RESOLVE THIS IN DOC. I've said it before and will say it again: take your fight elsewhere and if you can't resolve it, then come back to core. Now, onto the meat of the dispute: In message <20010711082605.D64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : > Nope, this was *you* who, with no valid reason, backed out my change : > without explaining. : : I first asked you to back it out, and when you refused (without : stating a valid reason), I did it myself. My valid reason is that the : name of the program is vinum, not VINUM. Your reason for this change : was bogus: you said that troff couldn't handle lower case in this : position, which is just plain wrong. Even if it were right, it would : be the wrong solution. You may wish to provide some more history here, since I've redirected it to doc@, where it belongs. : > From about two thousand -mdoc manpages that could be found in src/ : > tree (including src/contrib/ ones), this manpage was the only one : > with lowercased document title, : : After you had changed all the rest. Tradition is on RU's side here. man cp on my SunOS 4.1.3 box shows CP not cp. : > and this *is* a good reason to keep it in uppercase. : : No, it's not. Seems like a good reason to keep it upper case to me. Let's let doc deside. : > mdoc(7) police: removed HISTORY info from the .Os call. : : The HISTORY section is of interest; it seems that you have now decided : to axe it in all man pages. If this is a requirement of mandoc, we : should review whether we want to be that compliant. Get your facts straight. All he did was remove BSD from the .Os call. The history sections are still there. I just verified this. It means that we'll have: FreeBSD 4.3 April 18, 1994 FreeBSD 4.3 at the bottom of the page rather than: 4th Berkeley Distribution April 18, 1994 4th Berkeley Distribution which seems reasonable to me. Other BSDs have done this. Eg, he changed: .Os BSD4 to .Os : I find all of these changes objectionable. You shouldn't be required : to change correct punctuation to incorrect punctuation, correct number : to incorrect number (AUTHOR to AUTHORS), correct case to incorrect : case, nor to remove relevant information. Please point to the : document which mandates this, and the part of the document which makes : this a requirement, not a recommendation. In addition, please stop : changing these man pages until we've had a chance to discuss whether : we really want to modify our man pages in this manner. This one I can't comment on. It also seems that you are being to personal in attacking ru here. Maybe you are right on these issues, but it seems that you are wrapping them all together when they should be handled separately. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 16:49:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomsk.portland.co.uk (tomsk.portland.co.uk [212.15.64.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126137B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@orinoco.portland.co.uk) Received: from orinoco.portland.co.uk (unknown [10.14.0.20]) by tomsk.portland.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CB5B00C for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:49:49 +0100 (BST) Received: by orinoco.portland.co.uk (Postfix, from userid -2) id EF6ED51A2; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:46:41 +0100 (GMT) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Озеленение и ландшафтный дизайн From: Компания "\"Русский" "Сад\"" Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Message-Id: <20010710234641.EF6ED51A2@orinoco.portland.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:46:41 +0100 (GMT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Здравствуйте! 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Компания "Русский Сад" (095) 922-4686 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 19:16: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shelly.viewinternet.com (shelly.viewinternet.com [210.56.192.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9F0E37B408 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boman@viewinternet.com) Received: (qmail 24710 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 02:15:58 -0000 Received: from venus.viewinternet.com (HELO boman) ([210.56.192.71]) (envelope-sender ) by shelly.viewinternet.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2001 02:15:58 -0000 From: "Michael Boman" To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: Subject: RE: Handbook addition Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:18:03 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010711085634.E92298@wantadilla.lemis.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg! Okey, I get it =) - See below. > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:27 AM > To: Michael Boman > Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Handbook addition > > > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 18:39:56 +0800, Michael Boman wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing > > -lpd - -alternatives.html > > > > Another alternative spooler is cups, /usr/ports/print/cups > > > > easy-to-use, www-based config. Give it a try and recomend it to > > the rest of the BSD users =) > > That's for you to do. Write it up and submit it for the handbook. > > Greg > -- CUPS: The Common UNIX Printing System ("CUPS") is a cross-platform printing solution for all UNIX environments. It is based on the "Internet Printing Protocol" and provides complete printing services to most PostScript and raster printers. CUPS is provided under the GNU GPL. You can install cups using ports or packages. For ports you change directory to /usr/ports/print/cups and type "make all install clean". Once that is done you can start the cups daemon by typing "/usr/local/sbin/cupsd". For futher information regarding configuration of cups, or anything else regarding cups please point your browser to http://www.cups.org You may edit it in any way you see fit. I release this few lines at the same license the FreeBSD handbook is using, or as public domain - whatever you see fit. Best regards Michael Boman PS The first paragraph is stolen from www.cups.org =( An alternative to that paragraph can be this (stolen from CUPS port description in FreeBSD): CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems. It has been developed by Easy Software Products to promote a standard printing solution for all UNIX vendors and users. CUPS provides the System V and Berkeley command-line interfaces. CUPS uses the Internet Printing Protocol ("IPP") as the basis for managing print jobs and queues. The Line Printer Daemon ("LPD") Server Message Block ("SMB"), and AppSocket (a.k.a. JetDirect) protocols are also supported with reduced functionality. CUPS adds network printer browsing and PostScript Printer Description ("PPD") based printing options to support real-world printing under UNIX. CUPS also includes a customized version of GNU Ghostscript (currently based off GNU Ghostscript 5.50) and an image file RIP that are used to support non-PostScript printers. Sample drivers for HP and EPSON printers are included that use these filters. - - George Reid greid@ukug.uk.freebsd.org DS PPS Yeah, I've stole allot of text here, but gimme a break. It's early in the morning and I haven't had my coffe yet ;) DDS -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQA/AwUBO0u3WmrXqu72qtzYEQIWpQCaA5JfWBe3UkKsOntwdvarWkS6j14An3AM hfDl/4HZJ1Tg3MZenZjL3plg =6YkX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 10 20: 2: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A733D37B408 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 027B513; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF90A49A15 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Open Packages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Open Packages project is really starting to pick up speed, and before it gets too much bigger, I'd like to get its documentation started. So I'd like to invite anyone who is/has worked on the FreeBSD Ports Collection documentation to join Open Packages. If you already have a commit bit in FreeBSD, there will be one waiting for you in OP, just send me your ssh key. Chris Coleman Editor in Chief Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org Open Packages http://www.openpackages.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 0: 6:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7F437B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6B76LD26530; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:06:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:06:21 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Greg Lehey Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/vinum vinum.8 Message-ID: <20010711100621.A24098@sunbay.com> References: <200107101800.f6AI0Jg09923@freefall.freebsd.org> <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <200107041418.f64EIXJ57365@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010704173757.A296@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <20010705084955.A92314@sunbay.com> <20010711082605.D64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711082605.D64441@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:26:05AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Cc: list trimmed to -doc as per imp@] On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:26:05AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 5 July 2001 at 8:49:55 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 05:37:57PM -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 7:18:32 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >>> ru 2001/07/04 07:18:32 PDT > >>> > >>> Modified files: > >>> sbin/vinum vinum.8 > >>> Log: > >>> mdoc(7) police: > >>> Keep document title (.Dt) in CAPITALS, as required by the mdoc(7) manpage. > >> > >> This is WRONG. We discussed this requirement, and you came up with no > >> valid reasons. As a result, I fixed the problem in the next update. > >> It is really childish to have commit wars like this. Please back out > >> immediately. We'll discuss in core whether it makes any sense to > >> shout. I believe that the title of the document should be the name of > >> the command. > > > > Nope, this was *you* who, with no valid reason, backed out my change > > without explaining. > > I first asked you to back it out, and when you refused (without > stating a valid reason), I did it myself. My valid reason is that the > name of the program is vinum, not VINUM. Your reason for this change > was bogus: you said that troff couldn't handle lower case in this > position, which is just plain wrong. Even if it were right, it would > be the wrong solution. > Don't I said that the actual limitation is that troff(1) can't convert the document title to uppercase itself, not that it can't print it in lowercase? > > From about two thousand -mdoc manpages that could be found in src/ > > tree (including src/contrib/ ones), this manpage was the only one > > with lowercased document title, > > After you had changed all the rest. > This is simply not true. Search 4.4BSD manpages, for example. > > and this *is* a good reason to keep it in uppercase. > > No, it's not. > Yes, it is. ``VINUM'' in .Dt context is not the command name, it's a document _TITLE_. This is also consistent with .Sh being in uppercase. > > The purpose of inventing the -mdoc package (ten years ago) was to > > have a single style for all manpages, as opposed to the -man > > package, where everyone is free to use whatever style he likes > > (probably, you should convert to this format). > > > If you back this change out, please also coordinate the acceptance > > of this with OpenBSD, NetBSD, and GNU Groff maintainer, Werner > > Lemberg . > > > > Please also fix the rest of FreeBSD -mdoc manpages, the template > > file in /usr/src/share/misc/mdoc.template, /usr/src/share/examples/mdoc/ > > examples, and a bunch of other places. > > I think this is going somewhat over the top. > -mdoc likes consistency, that's what it was invented for. > > > > The phrase "due to troff limitation" that could be found in the mdoc(7) > > manpage on the .Dt subject means that troff(1) can't itself convert the > > title to uppercase. > > > > That is, to say the least, ambiguous. > The documented phrase "The document title is the subject of the man page and must be in CAPITALS due to troff limitations." looks ambiguos? > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 3:04:09 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > ru 2001/07/10 03:04:09 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > bin/cp cp.1 > > (etc) > > Log: > > mdoc(7) police: removed HISTORY info from the .Os call. > > The HISTORY section is of interest; it seems that you have now decided > to axe it in all man pages. If this is a requirement of mandoc, we > should review whether we want to be that compliant. > Why don't you look at the actual changes before complaining? I didn't remove the HISTORY section, I've fixed the .Os call so that all FreeBSD manpages print the correct operating system information at the bottom left (and in the nroff case, at the bottom right) corners of the manpage. Most manpages had their .Os argument equivalent to the HISTORY section contents, hence the commitlog. > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 11:00:19 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > ru 2001/07/10 11:00:19 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > lib/libcrypt crypt.3 > > share/man/man5 sysctl.conf.5 > > usr.sbin/diskpart diskpart.8 > > gnu/usr.bin/man/makewhatis makewhatis.local.8 > > lib/libc/sys setresuid.2 > > Log: > > mdoc(7) police: removed punctuation after the last SEE ALSO xref. > > I find all of these changes objectionable. You shouldn't be required > to change correct punctuation to incorrect punctuation, correct number > to incorrect number (AUTHOR to AUTHORS), correct case to incorrect > case, nor to remove relevant information. Please point to the > document which mandates this, and the part of the document which makes > this a requirement, not a recommendation. In addition, please stop > changing these man pages until we've had a chance to discuss whether > we really want to modify our man pages in this manner. > These changes were already discussed at various times in the -doc mailing list and with people who were active on -mdoc issues. Are you subscribed? The document in question is called mdoc(7). Please look at the ``A MANUAL PAGE TEMPLATE'', ``Author Name'', and the ``Section Headers'' section to see why AUTHORS vs. AUTHOR, and how the .An macro is treated differently while in the AUTHORS section. Please take a look at the ``A MANUAL PAGE TEMPLATE'': : .Dt DOCUMENT_TITLE [section number] [architecture/volume] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...] : The first items in the template are the macros `.Dd', `.Os', and `.Dt'; : the document date, the operating system the man page or subject source is : developed or modified for, and the man page title (in upper case) along ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : with the section of the manual the page belongs in. And then at the ``TITLE MACROS'' section, to see that DOCUMENT TITLE SHOULD BE IN UPPER CASE. Please see the ``Section Headers'' section, ``.Sh SEE ALSO'' part, to see how cross references should be sorted. The last one does not mandate that particular order, but "recommends" it, similar to how this is done by style(9), and I don't see anything wrong if all manpages use a single style. After all, this is the way most books have their INDEX built, i.e., sorted alphabetically, ignoring case differences. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 0:22:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CDC37B408; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6B7MCT28317; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Greg Lehey Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... Message-ID: <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010711081534.C64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711081534.C64441@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:15:34AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:15:34AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 3:04:09 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > ru 2001/07/10 03:04:09 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > bin/cp cp.1 > > bin/df df.1 > > bin/domainname domainname.1 > > bin/hostname hostname.1 > > bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 > > bin/pax pax.1 > > bin/ps ps.1 > > bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 > > bin/rcp rcp.1 > > bin/sh sh.1 > > bin/sh/bltin echo.1 > > bin/sync sync.8 > > Log: > > mdoc(7) police: removed HISTORY info from the .Os call. > > Why? I find this information interesting. > Reason 1, from mdoc(7): : The first items in the template are the macros `.Dd', `.Os', and `.Dt'; : the document date, the operating system the man page or subject source is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : developed or modified for, and the man page title (in upper case) along ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : with the section of the manual the page belongs in. These macros iden- : tify the page and are discussed below in TITLE MACROS. This means FreeBSD for us, i.e., what we currently get with empty or even omitted .Os call. Reason 2, from mdoc(7): : .Os [] [] : If the first parameter is empty, the default `FreeBSD 4.3' is : used. This means that when FreeBSD 4.4 will be released, all manpages will print FreeBSD 4.4 in the left bottom corner, automatically. Reason 3, traditional. Our neighbours, NetBSD and OpenBSD did this change a long time ago. Reason 4. This was asked for many times by various -doc guys, including Mike Pritchard and Sheldon Hearn , IIRC. Last time in the late of 2000, when I started to work on -mdocNG, which we currently use. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 2:51:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8269E37B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15KGf6-0000Ta-00; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:52:04 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300." <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:52:04 +0200 Message-ID: <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > Reason 1, from mdoc(7): Ruslan, I think Greg was probably confused by your commit log, which might have been taken to mean that you somehow axed the HISTORY section. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 3:13: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kalaid.f2f.com.ua (kalaid.f2f.com.ua [62.149.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EDD37B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Mail-In.Net (borey.f2f.com.ua [62.149.0.24]) by kalaid.f2f.com.ua (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6BAGPC30334; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:16:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.vega.com ([212.35.189.206]) by Mail-In.Net (8.11.3/8.H.Z) with ESMTP id f6BADiK33144; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:13:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BACZq06254; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:12:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3B4C269F.7CF8D6FC@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:12:47 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... References: <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > > > Reason 1, from mdoc(7): > > Ruslan, I think Greg was probably confused by your commit log, which > might have been taken to mean that you somehow axed the HISTORY section. > :-) It was my first impression too. Please try to be more clear in the future. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 3:35:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7E637B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6BAZLq51747; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:35:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:35:21 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... Message-ID: <20010711133521.A51149@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Maxim Sobolev , Sheldon Hearn , Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <3B4C269F.7CF8D6FC@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B4C269F.7CF8D6FC@FreeBSD.org>; from sobomax@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:12:47PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:12:47PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > > > > > Reason 1, from mdoc(7): > > > > Ruslan, I think Greg was probably confused by your commit log, which > > might have been taken to mean that you somehow axed the HISTORY section. > > :-) I don't like when people complain without looking at the actual changes. > It was my first impression too. Please try to be more clear in the future. > I wrote exactly what I meant: removed HISTORY section info from the .Os call. Most of the manpages in question had HISTORY information doubled in the .Os argument. Please try to be more careful in the future when commenting, and please read the mdoc(7) manpage to see that the .Os call can't be used in any section. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 5:50:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B6E37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BClfT97543; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:47:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:47:41 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: chris@calldei.com, Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: What's happened to the handbook? Message-ID: <20010711134741.B97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010708140918.S80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010708121745.A37827@holly.calldei.com> <200107100610.f6A6Aqb21245@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107100610.f6A6Aqb21245@intruder.bmah.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:10:52PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:10:52PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Chris Costello wrote: >=20 > > This patch to docbook.css removes the line-height attributes > > that I consider unnecessary. It fixes the odd spacing in > > itemized lists (in which the bullet is a line above the actual > > text) and the paragraph, blockquote and address spacing. >=20 > I don't know much about CSS, but the end result looks a lot better to > me, at least on the release notes. I'd like to see this committed. I've committed a compromise which isn't as extreme on the line height, and also fixes lists in all the sundry places they can occur (which Chris' patch didn't do). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtMSuwACgkQk6gHZCw343VgTgCfe+D4o2O56NtBQllS6Ogk1v56 +zUAn0CbdZ7+h2aNH4fpArmqrFHiYB2M =ZyQZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685A337B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:01:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BD0eT77800; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111300.f6BD0eT77800@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28779: a few whitespace and typo fixes for articles/filtering-bridge Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: a few whitespace and typo fixes for articles/filtering-bridge State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:00:30 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28779 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:11:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474AE37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BD5uj81250; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111305.f6BD5uj81250@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28778: whitespace fix for the tags of formatting-media article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: whitespace fix for the tags of formatting-media article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:05:49 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28778 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:20:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B2C37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BDJUA97769; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:19:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:19:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28730: request for addition of a few more details on 'cvs log' usage to the text of articles/committers-guide Message-ID: <20010711141930.C97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200107061250.f66Co4S12376@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107061250.f66Co4S12376@freefall.freebsd.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:50:04AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:50:04AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > I would write this like so: > =20 > &prompt.user; cvs log shazam Don't think so. Certainly the style in the rest of the documentation has been that the only markup used inside has been . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtMUmEACgkQk6gHZCw343W4fgCfY1P1HmR2JI3grYGleVMvGwiB y1oAoIrEjxlfNFsvqglCUIB31m91MpvJ =ElRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:21:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F42937B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BDDso82193; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111313.f6BDDso82193@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28783: tag whitespace corrections for articles/mh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: tag whitespace corrections for articles/mh State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:13:45 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28783 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:21:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A81237B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BDGZk82548; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111316.f6BDGZk82548@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mkamm@gmx.net, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28822: handbook: IS_INTERACTIVE vs INTERACTIVE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: handbook: IS_INTERACTIVE vs INTERACTIVE State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:16:27 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28822 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:31:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7A337B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BDOES83483; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111324.f6BDOES83483@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28836: bring tags to the end of the line that ends, in articles/multi-boot Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: bring tags to the end of the line that ends, in articles/multi-boot State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:24:04 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28836 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 6:31:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7213837B406; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BDMGa83109; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111322.f6BDMGa83109@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28730: request for addition of a few more details on 'cvs log' usage to the text of articles/committers-guide Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: request for addition of a few more details on 'cvs log' usage to the text of articles/committers-guide State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 06:22:07 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28730 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 7:11:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0EE37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BE93499232; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107111409.f6BE93499232@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28731: inconsistent use of and in committers-guide article for cvs commands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: inconsistent use of and in committers-guide article for cvs commands State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 07:08:52 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28731 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 7:47:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0576037B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010711144720.IYJM18257.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:47:20 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6BElK362770; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107111447.f6BElK362770@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , chris@calldei.com, Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: What's happened to the handbook? In-Reply-To: <20010711134741.B97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010708140918.S80862@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010708121745.A37827@holly.calldei.com> <200107100610.f6A6Aqb21245@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711134741.B97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:47:41 +0100." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_312577280P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:47:20 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_312577280P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > I've committed a compromise which isn't as extreme on the line height, > and also fixes lists in all the sundry places they can occur (which > Chris' patch didn't do). Thanks! Bruce. PS. Just to register my own personal opinion on aesthetics: In my version of a perfect world, the line spacing would be even tighter. --==_Exmh_312577280P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7TGb42MoxcVugUsMRArvZAJoCqvqSIVm98iU1caPOhOuPeRyWXgCeLjGo NhfvMtni8YVGivPinCzgmVg= =V1HL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_312577280P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 9:36:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B61E37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19803; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14411; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15180.32919.298039.21694@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:39 -0600 (MDT) To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Sheldon Hearn , Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... In-Reply-To: <20010711133521.A51149@sunbay.com> References: <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <3B4C269F.7CF8D6FC@FreeBSD.org> <20010711133521.A51149@sunbay.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > > > > > > > Reason 1, from mdoc(7): > > > > > > Ruslan, I think Greg was probably confused by your commit log, which > > > might have been taken to mean that you somehow axed the HISTORY section. > > > :-) > I don't like when people complain without looking at the actual changes. > > > It was my first impression too. Please try to be more clear in the future. > > > I wrote exactly what I meant: removed HISTORY section info from the .Os > call. A better description of this may have been 'Moved HISTORY section info from the .Os call into it's own section.' The 'move/remove' part was confusing, implying a completely removal of the information. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 9:50:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905A37B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BGN8Z99465; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:23:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:23:08 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:40:10AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: >=20 > > > 8. Removing some content to other documents. >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > > PC Hardware Compatability -> Book in its own righ= t (?) > >=20 > > This should probably be in the relnotes. >=20 > Just to echo this. There is a "Hardware Compatability" list (both PC > and Alpha) in the release documentation. It is *much* more up to date > and detailed than what's in the Handbook; more importantly, it's tied > pretty closely to the release notes. A pointer to the release > documentation (from the handbook), with maybe some generic statements > about what types of hardware are supported, should suffice IMHO. The > list itself is a bit long to go in the Handbook. I think we might be talking about two different things. I'm talking about Appendix F of the Handbook. I think you might be talking about the Supported Hardware section of chapter 2 (it's section 2.3). I'd have no problem with seeing 2.3 be replaced with a note that says "Please see the release notes for the version of FreeBSD you are installing." N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtMfWsACgkQk6gHZCw343XgegCgi9KoujSeELIosyp1VpA15SvW pq0An1FV/KZfn0DjT3Yo6MsVAKqvK0SE =uIdN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 10:32:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8228837B405; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010711173221.XBDV9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:32:21 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6BHWK142217; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:23:08 +0100." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1627440524P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:32:20 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1627440524P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > PC Hardware Compatability -> Book in its own righ= [snip] > > Just to echo this. There is a "Hardware Compatability" list (both PC > > and Alpha) in the release documentation. [snip] > I think we might be talking about two different things. I'm talking > about Appendix F of the Handbook. I think you might be talking about > the Supported Hardware section of chapter 2 (it's section 2.3). You're right...we're talking about two different things. (I'm not sure which one Dima was referring to.) The only issue I have with Appendix F is that some of it seems a little dated ("Jordan's Picks" for motherboards mentions those that support the Pentium, Pentium II, and Pentium Pro, for instance). I freely admit to being the wrong person to try to update this, though I'd be glad to give input. > I'd have no problem with seeing 2.3 be replaced with a note that says > "Please see the release notes for the version of FreeBSD you are > installing." Great...once I get my act together I'll see about doing this, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1627440524P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7TI2k2MoxcVugUsMRAt3RAJwMEX+IL7biJTlZN4ucYmjrX4htpACggkK9 o7/JMvKeGOBXtvKnLl87pYA= =Buzq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1627440524P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 10:36:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462DA37B405; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6BHaat22066; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, dima@unixfreak.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org> References: <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010711103636Y.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:36:36 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you'd care to nuke the "Jordan's picks" section, I'd be the first to applaud its demise. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 11: 3: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7158037B403; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f6BI35945771; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:05 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Nik Clayton , Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Message-ID: <20010711110305.I42757@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:32:20AM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:32:20AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > The only issue I have with Appendix F is that some of it seems a little > dated ("Jordan's Picks" for motherboards mentions those that support the > Pentium, Pentium II, and Pentium Pro, for instance). I freely admit to > being the wrong person to try to update this, though I'd be glad to give > input. The question is simply what do we do with the small percentage of Appendix F that has some useful information (although 0% is relevant for the Handbook). The only two sections that I would keep would be these : "The UART what it is and how it works." "Storage Devices" I don't think either is particularly relevant but someone has spent time writing a lot of technical information so I think perhaps we should move these out into two seperate tutorials and then at a later date if someone wants to write some super hardware document for FreeBSD then they've got these to start from. Are there any objections to me moving these two sections out of Appendix F into two new tutorials and then cvs removing the hw/ subdir? Does anyone have a better idea? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 12: 8:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAA837B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@soconnors.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-156.dragonite.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.104.156] helo=t9e3o7) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15KPLq-0002rN-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:08:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c10a3c$f494ea00$9c6887d9@t9e3o7> From: "sean oconnor" To: Subject: current documentation Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:08:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C10A45.50E216E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C10A45.50E216E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where can i download a half decent beginners guide to freebsd ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C10A45.50E216E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
where can i download a half decent = beginners guide=20 to freebsd
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C10A45.50E216E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 14:30:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E153837B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90ED66ACC1; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:00:24 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:00:24 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... Message-ID: <20010712070024.I92298@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1833.994845124@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:52:04AM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 11 July 2001 at 11:52:04 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:12 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >>> Why? I find this information interesting. >>> >> Reason 1, from mdoc(7): > > Ruslan, I think Greg was probably confused by your commit log, which > might have been taken to mean that you somehow axed the HISTORY section. > :-) Indeed. Having actually looked at the change, I'm completely in agreement, but I find the commit message very misleading. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 14:50: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7005E37B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BLo6971441; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DFF37B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6BLlDV70388; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200107112147.f6BLlDV70388@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Shill To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28896: FreeBSD Handbook typos Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28896 >Category: docs >Synopsis: FreeBSD Handbook typos >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 11 14:50:05 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Shill >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: My reference is book.pdf: Page 26 - 2.2.1.6. "Before installing over a Network" Paragraph 4 - Line 4 "Please to the user-ppp [...]" -> "Please _refer_ (?) to the user-ppp [...]" Page 44 - 3.2. "Permissions" Paragraph 2 - Line 2-3 "These permissions are stored as an octet broken into three pieces, one for the owner of the file, one for the group that the file belongs to, and one for everyone else." The wording is confusing. An octet is "a group or set of eight". How can one fit 9 bits in a set of 8? Page 101 "# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback" how many units to _allocate_ >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:14:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B9437B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (chern@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6C0EFb52188 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee To: Subject: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've tried out Dia, an open-source Visio clone, and made images for the ASCII drawings in the security/ipsec section of the handbook. In my opinion, they look relatively decent compared to the old ASCII. http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/ipsec.html They look a bit crufty at the moment, I'm assuming because of eps2png. I'm hoping Adam Stanislav's peps to see if it will have an improvement. Perhaps we can make Dia our standard for diagrams. I had a bit of trouble compiling it from ports. libiconv-1.6.1 broke for me, and gnomecore broke for Murray. If any of you run into the same problems, I've made packages of these two ports as well as dia itself. http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/dia-gnome-0.88.1.tgz http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/gnomecore-1.4.0.4_1.tgz http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/libiconv-1.6.1.tgz - Chern Lee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:20:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9788337B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C08AM02408; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:08:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:08:10 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28860: Adding anti-alising to png images Message-ID: <20010712010810.K97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200107100432.f6A4Wxc01335@whizkidtech.net> <20010710145438.A296@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7Ke/meiCZutM6I/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010710145438.A296@whizkidtech.net>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:54:38PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --C7Ke/meiCZutM6I/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:54:38PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:32:59PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > >>Number: 28860 > >>Category: docs > >>Synopsis: Adding anti-aliasing to PNG images created from EPS > >>Fix: > >--- doc.images.mk.OLD Mon Jul 9 23:19:56 2001 > >+++ doc.images.mk Mon Jul 9 23:22:29 2001 > >@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ > >=20 > > .for _curimage in ${IMAGES_GEN_PNG} > > ${_curimage}: ${_curimage:S/.png$/.eps/} > >- eps2png -res ${EPS2PNG_RES} -output ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} > >+ peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} >=20 > Oops, that last line should have been >=20 > + peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -p -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} >=20 > Note the "-p" please. Works for me. No one else has commented, so I'll commit this in 12-24 hours, along with the changes to textproc/docproj to adjust the dependencies. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --C7Ke/meiCZutM6I/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtM6mkACgkQk6gHZCw343V2xQCdGfwzSXFxbcPf1ggL7qQqn6+T dBwAn0rYcP6RWR4g+gqpTJrMtwLb4mRE =gc5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7Ke/meiCZutM6I/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:21: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3737B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id B501C55407; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A512E51610; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Chern Lee Cc: Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-11, Chern Lee scribbled: # I've tried out Dia, an open-source Visio clone, and made images for the # ASCII drawings in the security/ipsec section of the handbook. In my # opinion, they look relatively decent compared to the old ASCII. # # http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/ipsec.html # # They look a bit crufty at the moment, I'm assuming because of eps2png. # I'm hoping Adam Stanislav's peps to see if it will have an improvement. Looks pretty good to me (yeah... it may not be nearly as cleanly anti-aliased as Visio PS print-outs... but some of the Visio GIF output files that I have done aren't very clean either). There is also Kivio that provides a Visio clone for the KDE window environment. I think it's development (or at least 'maintained') by theKompany.com, and seems be okay. I don't know if it's to the caliber of Dia (since I haven't used Dia... nor have I used Kivio for a while). The URL to the Kivio site is: http://www.thekompany.com/products/kivio/index.php3?dhtml_ok=1 Dunno... just my one cent. :) -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:24:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F85637B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([62.31.194.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:24:47 +0100 From: John Murphy To: "sean oconnor" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: current documentation Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:25:08 +0100 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: References: <000a01c10a3c$f494ea00$9c6887d9@t9e3o7> In-Reply-To: <000a01c10a3c$f494ea00$9c6887d9@t9e3o7> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "sean oconnor" wrote: >where can i download a half decent beginners guide to freebsd The Handbook has a lot of good information for beginners. It's available in various formats from: ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook It's also online at http://www.uk.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8B337B401; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C0PMZ23888; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107120025.f6C0PMZ23888@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28864: [patch] make clean in DocProj dirs leave generated files Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] make clean in DocProj dirs leave generated files State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 17:25:15 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Applied, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28864 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:41:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6161D37B405; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C0Ygg24461; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107120034.f6C0Ygg24461@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28732: various minor corrections (mostly typos) to articles/committers-guide Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: various minor corrections (mostly typos) to articles/committers-guide State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 17:34:21 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: It seems I forgot to close this. The patch was applied three days ago, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28732 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:41:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AF537B406; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C0c0224849; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107120038.f6C0c0224849@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28777: various typo and tag fixes in articles/formatting-media Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: various typo and tag fixes in articles/formatting-media State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 17:37:48 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: nik applied this but forgot to close it. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->nik Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 17:37:48 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: JFYI http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28777 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:51:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6627937B413; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C0k3f27314; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107120046.f6C0k3f27314@freefall.freebsd.org> To: shill@free.fr, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28896: FreeBSD Handbook typos Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FreeBSD Handbook typos State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 11 17:45:32 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: All fixed, thanks! In the future, please note that the page number is useless to us; the title of the chapter and section are much more helpful. Thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28896 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 17:56: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE6837B406 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([62.31.194.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:56:00 +0100 From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: 1.2.2. What can FreeBSD do? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:56:21 +0100 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: <03tpktc8lkrnjk0prk58li2j497bgpb2b4@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 13th. bullet: >Source code for the entire system means you have the greatest degree >of control over your environment. Why be locked into a proprietary >solution at the mercy of your vendor when you can have a truly Open = System? Anyone think that last bit should be Open Source System? John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 18:24:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B6237B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([62.31.194.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:24:08 +0100 From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: 1.2.2. What can FreeBSD do? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:24:30 +0100 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: <9fupkt8f9qj2sc0a576a7vvlo5osiatqhu@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bullet 17: Education: Are you a student of computer science or a related engineering= field? There is no better way of learning about operating systems Perhaps: There is no better way to learn about operating systems John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 18:25:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F6C37B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx.my.domain ([62.31.194.122]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:25:09 +0100 From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Folded Table of Contents Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:25:30 +0100 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: <4htpkto8262ihjk24576hfu5o9l8o01qda@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there some efficient html magic that could fold the Table of Contents page? It's such a long way down to the end with all the subsections in view. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 19: 7:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7162D37B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f6C27PI74662; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:07:25 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Linh Pham Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from lplist@closedsrc.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:05:01PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:05:01PM -0700, Linh Pham wrote: > There is also Kivio that provides a Visio clone for the KDE > window environment. I think it's development (or at least 'maintained') > by theKompany.com, and seems be okay. I don't know if it's to the > caliber of Dia (since I haven't used Dia... nor have I used Kivio for a > while). The URL to the Kivio site is: > > http://www.thekompany.com/products/kivio/index.php3?dhtml_ok=1 This appears to be a problem : "Please note: While Kivio is a GPL application, all the stencil sets provided by theKompany.com, including the basic stencil shapes bundled with Kivio are copywritten and owned by theKompany.com. All information and images provided are copywritten and cannot be used in part or in whole for any other work, including free or commercial stencil sets. You are free to create your own stencil sets from your own work." If this can be resolved then great, we've got another tool that can be used. I think the general question that needs to be answered is how important is consistency? Adam Stanislav made some nice looking PostScript diagrams by hand. I actually prefer the Dia output, but his were still very good. The main problem I have with his images is that we now must rely on him to hand craft every PostScript file in the handbook if we want any kind of consistency. A far better option would be if we can all agree that we very much value consistency. If that is the case then it will mean standardizing on an open-source application (or set of applications, or simply a stencil-set to be used with any application) to draw network diagrams for our documentation. From what I've seen Dia and Kivio are sufficiently similar that we shouldn't have to choose between one or the other. We just must choose to standardize on those applications (and this means making new images to replaces the excellent ones that Adam made for the ISDN section) and not to allow any random .eps file that doesn't bear a strong resemblance to our existing diagrams. What does everyone else think about this? Adam? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 19:27:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0BA37B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 5832B55407; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4662851610; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:11:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Murray Stokely Cc: Chern Lee , Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements In-Reply-To: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-11, Murray Stokely scribbled: # This appears to be a problem : # # "Please note: While Kivio is a GPL application, all the stencil sets # provided by theKompany.com, including the basic stencil shapes # bundled with Kivio are copywritten and owned by theKompany.com. All # information and images provided are copywritten and cannot be used # in part or in whole for any other work, including free or # commercial stencil sets. You are free to create your own stencil # sets from your own work." I guess I didn't see that restriction :( The one thing that I do like about Kivio (from what I have read) is that it uses Python for scripting. I wonder how hard it is to create a standard set of stencils... # If this can be resolved then great, we've got another tool that can be # used. I think the general question that needs to be answered is how # important is consistency? Adam Stanislav made some nice looking # PostScript diagrams by hand. I actually prefer the Dia output, but # his were still very good. The main problem I have with his images is # that we now must rely on him to hand craft every PostScript file in # the handbook if we want any kind of consistency. I guess I'm glad that the only time I have to deal with Postscript files is when I take a PS file and convert it to PDF (of course, I do the conversion on a Windows machine... shame on me). Is there a decent PS to PDF converter available in the Ports collection? I don't remember seeing one. # A far better option would be if we can all agree that we very much # value consistency. If that is the case then it will mean # standardizing on an open-source application (or set of applications, # or simply a stencil-set to be used with any application) to draw # network diagrams for our documentation. From what I've seen Dia and # Kivio are sufficiently similar that we shouldn't have to choose # between one or the other. We just must choose to standardize on those # applications (and this means making new images to replaces the # excellent ones that Adam made for the ISDN section) and not to allow # any random .eps file that doesn't bear a strong resemblance to our # existing diagrams. Consistency is definitely a big point... it also shows professionalism and it makes it easier to process the visual data in the brain. -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 20:34:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eeoth.pair.com (eeoth.pair.com [209.68.1.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDDCD37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from whizkid@eeoth.pair.com) Received: (qmail 44723 invoked by uid 3033); 12 Jul 2001 03:34:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:34:47 -0400 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010711233447.A44030@eeoth.pair.com> References: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@osd.bsdi.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:07:25PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:07:25PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > "Please note: While Kivio is a GPL application, all the stencil sets > provided by theKompany.com, including the basic stencil shapes > bundled with Kivio are copywritten and owned by theKompany.com. All > information and images provided are copywritten and cannot be used > in part or in whole for any other work, including free or > commercial stencil sets. You are free to create your own stencil > sets from your own work." Heh, just because they were copywritten by them does not necessarily mean they were copyrighted by them. Copyright (a legal right) has nothing to do with copywriting (writing an advertisement). > If this can be resolved then great, we've got another tool that can be > used. I think the general question that needs to be answered is how > important is consistency? Adam Stanislav made some nice looking > PostScript diagrams by hand. I actually prefer the Dia output, but > his were still very good. The main problem I have with his images is > that we now must rely on him to hand craft every PostScript file in > the handbook if we want any kind of consistency. I liked the Dia images as well. I will certainly not be offended if you replace my drawings with Dia drawings (except in the section I both wrote and illustrated). It certainly would be better to have a standardized application: I may not always be around, plus it is good if the author of the text can create any drawing he wants even if he does not necessarily speak PostScript. For all it's worth, I am glad I inspired the idea of having real illustrations at all. :) > A far better option would be if we can all agree that we very much > value consistency. If that is the case then it will mean > standardizing on an open-source application (or set of applications, > or simply a stencil-set to be used with any application) to draw > network diagrams for our documentation. From what I've seen Dia and > Kivio are sufficiently similar that we shouldn't have to choose > between one or the other. We just must choose to standardize on those > applications (and this means making new images to replaces the > excellent ones that Adam made for the ISDN section) and not to allow > any random .eps file that doesn't bear a strong resemblance to our > existing diagrams. The best thing would be to write our own application under BSD license. Unfortunately, I have never done any XWindow programming, though this may be a good reason to start, I suppose. :) Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 21:33:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ssemail005a.crayfish.net (ssemail005a.crayfish.net [202.83.148.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0486F37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lucky@aqualife.co.jp) Received: from luck (zaqd3873704.zaq.ne.jp [211.135.55.4]) by ssemail005a.crayfish.net (8.9.3/3.7W Crayfish POPbeforeSMTP'd) with SMTP id NAA27504 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:33:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <000801c10a8c$1c9aa2c0$043787d3@luck> From: "Lucky" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:35:43 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AD7.8C41E660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AD7.8C41E660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear FreeBSD, Where can someone go in America to learn how to setup up and manage a = complete server for a company using freebsd? thank you Lucky ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AD7.8C41E660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AD7.8C41E660-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 23: 4:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [166.90.8.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0590A37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6C5xZw59909 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have recently made my first contribution to the FreeBSD documentation project - an article on embedded FreeBSD - covers installation and customization as well as general theory regarding disk-on-chip and ATA compact flash devices. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/solid-state/index.html I would appreciate your comments very much. In addition, I would like to thank Nik for helping me put together this first item. I am wondering what the status of the freebsdzine(.org) is currently. I have two additional documents ready - one regarding INN / News servers on FreeBSD: http://www.kozubik.com/published/inn_tutorial.txt and one very new one on building invisible firewalls with bridging and ipfw / IPSTEALTH: http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt Since there are already a few firewall docs in the documentation project, and since INN is for a limited audience, I thought the freebsdzine would be a good place for them, but my emails have gone unanswered, and there has not been a new issue since May. Any ideas ? If freebsdzine has been deprecated, then I will just keep the INN document on my own website. The bridging/ipfw/ipstealth document I am quite happy with, though, and would then like to give it to freebsd-doc. If that is the case, your comments on that document would also be appreciated. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 11 23:13:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A9A37B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6C6DHP02006; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:17 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: John Kozubik Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? Message-ID: <20010711231317.B1666@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from john@kozubik.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:59:35PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:59:35PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: > Since there are already a few firewall docs in the documentation project, > and since INN is for a limited audience, I thought the freebsdzine would > be a good place for them, but my emails have gone unanswered, and there > has not been a new issue since May. Any ideas ? I'd personally like to see both enter the doc tree as tutorials. I think one thing that Linux has always done better is to publish a wide range of Linux HOWTOs. Much of our howto information gets sent to the many FreeBSD e-zines and only rarely does this information make it back to the doc project. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 0:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5911C37B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C7U2m01990; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E3E37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos@theshell.com) Received: (qmail 15805 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 07:24:10 -0000 Received: from oxygen.theshell.com (root@63.236.138.8) by arsenic.theshell.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 07:24:10 -0000 Received: (from pavalos@localhost) by oxygen.theshell.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6C7O7u67001; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos) Message-Id: <200107120724.f6C7O7u67001@oxygen.theshell.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter J. Avalos" Reply-To: "Peter J. Avalos" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28906: [PATCH] Typos in en-handbook/serialcomms Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28906 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Typos in en-handbook/serialcomms >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 12 00:30:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Peter J. Avalos >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD oxygen.theshell.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 10 11:41:59 PDT 2001 support@oxygen.theshell.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/OXYGEN i386 >Description: Spelling and grammar errors in serialcomms chapter of handbook >How-To-Repeat: Read the serialcomms chapter of handbook >Fix: Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialcomms/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.24 diff -u -r1.24 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2001/04/17 01:37:48 1.24 +++ chapter.sgml 2001/07/12 07:13:32 @@ -1190,7 +1190,7 @@ prompt. If the data rates do not match, getty sees anything the user types as junk, tries going to the next speed and gives the login: prompt again. This - procedure can continue ad nauseum, but normally only takes a keystroke + procedure can continue ad nauseam, but normally only takes a keystroke or two before the user sees a good prompt. Obviously, this login sequence does not look as clean as the former locked-speed method, but a user on a low-speed @@ -1992,12 +1992,12 @@ Introduction - The FreeBSD/i386 operating system can boot on a system with only + The FreeBSD/i386 operating system can boot on a system with only a dumb terminal on a serial port as a console. Such a configuration - should be useful for two classes of people; system administrators who - wish to install FreeBSD on a dedicated file/compute/terminal server - machines that have no keyboard or monitor attached, and developers who - want to debug the kernel or device drivers. + should be useful for two classes of people: system administrators who + wish to install FreeBSD on machines that have no keyboard or monitor + attached, and developers who want to debug the kernel or device + drivers. Starting from version 3.1, FreeBSD/i386 employs a three stage bootstrap. The first two stages are in the boot block code which is >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 0:44:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [166.90.8.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D796C37B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6C7dLv89830; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? In-Reply-To: <20010711231317.B1666@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take them, they're yours :) Actually, I am probably only going to submit the bridging/ipfw/IPSTEALTH document, as the one on INN is quite old, and details a version of INN that is no longer relevant. I am led to believe that the information in this file I wrote is obsolete. I just fixed a few minor items in the bridging/ipfw/IPSTEALTH document - it is here: http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt I will be marking it up and submitting it soon. Your point about the lack of HOWTO documents is well taken. In fact, previously, I concluded that the lack of HOWTO documents was proof that a conscious decision had been made at some point to _not_ have HOWTO documents. I'm glad I was wrong. With that in mind, I plan on writing many more HOWTO documents. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:59:35PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: > > Since there are already a few firewall docs in the documentation project, > > and since INN is for a limited audience, I thought the freebsdzine would > > be a good place for them, but my emails have gone unanswered, and there > > has not been a new issue since May. Any ideas ? > > I'd personally like to see both enter the doc tree as tutorials. I > think one thing that Linux has always done better is to publish a wide > range of Linux HOWTOs. Much of our howto information gets sent to the > many FreeBSD e-zines and only rarely does this information make it > back to the doc project. > > - Murray > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 1: 9:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.online.kz (mail.online.kz [212.19.149.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E2037B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kfo@mail.online.kz) Received: from kairat (ip46.131.adsl.online.kz [212.154.131.46]) by mail.online.kz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13314 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:09:33 +0700 (AASD) Message-ID: <000801c10ab1$e76bb7d0$0100a8c0@dfb> From: "kairat" To: Subject: =?koi8-r?B?2sHQ0s/TINDPINDP0tTBzQ==?= Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:06:00 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AE4.29927590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AE4.29927590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =FA=C4=D2=C1=D7=D3=D4=D7=D5=CA=D4=C5, =ED=CF=D6=CE=CF =CC=C9 =D3=CB=C1=DE=C1=D4=D8 =D0=CF ftp 5448 = =D0=CF=D2=D4=CF=D7. =FA=C1=D2=C1=CE=C5=C5 =CF=C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=C0=D3=D8 = =CE=C1 ftp-=D3=C1=CA=D4 =CE=C1 org.pub =DA=C1=CA=D4=C9 = =D0=D2=CF=D3=D4=CF =CE=C5=D7=CF=DA=CD=CF=D6=CE=CF. =F3 =D5=D7=C1=D6=C5=CE=C9=C5=CD, =EB=C1=CA=D2=C1=D4. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AE4.29927590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10AE4.29927590-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 1:31:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D99037B405; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C8T9c10300; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107120829.f6C8T9c10300@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pavalos@theshell.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28906: [PATCH] Typos in en-handbook/serialcomms Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Typos in en-handbook/serialcomms State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Thu Jul 12 01:29:00 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: applied, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28906 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 1:37:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D49E37B403; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: from strontium.shef.vinosystems.com ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15KaKA-000K5d-00; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:51:46 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.shef.vinosystems.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6C6pkC72078; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:51:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: strontium.shef.vinosystems.com: ben set sender to ben@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:51:46 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Murray Stokely Cc: John Kozubik , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? Message-ID: <20010712075146.F82284@strontium.shef.vinosystems.com> References: <20010711231317.B1666@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711231317.B1666@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely wrote: > I'd personally like to see both enter the doc tree as tutorials. I > think one thing that Linux has always done better is to publish a wide > range of Linux HOWTOs. Much of our howto information gets sent to the > many FreeBSD e-zines and only rarely does this information make it > back to the doc project. There's a website ( I think) with some FreeBSD HOWTO type documents. Not sure if they're appropriate for the doc tree but they might be worth looking at. The ones I looked at seemed reasonable at a quick glance at least. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 1:48:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E137B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6C8mPm20396 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA45014 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:48:25 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape Message-ID: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There seems to be a problem with linespacing when I view the handbook in Netscape, which I don't think has been mentioned specifically before. It could be a browser bug because I see the problem with netscape (4.x) but not with mozilla, konqueror or opera. Take a look (with netscape 4.x) at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-fonts.html#ANTIALIAS While the first few lines are spaced slightly wide (in agreement with most of the handbook), lines further down are close spaced. This seems to happen when there's something like this in the sgml file some text here more text more text some screen stuff more text more text that is, if I include within a before closing the . In that case everything after the gets close-spaced when viewed in netscape. Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 1:54: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC00B37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4323E31; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape In-Reply-To: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on "Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:48:25 +0200" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:54:02 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010712085402.1E4323E31@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > that is, if I include within a before closing > the . In that case everything after the gets > close-spaced when viewed in netscape. > > Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? should go outside of , as it does it most (all?) documents. E.g.: Some text here Some screen stuff is here More text To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 2: 3:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D57A37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6C93Nm22245 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA45645 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:03:23 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape Message-ID: <20010712110323.G42931@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr> <20010712085402.1E4323E31@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712085402.1E4323E31@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:54:02AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dima Dorfman said on Jul 12, 2001 at 01:54:02: > Rahul Siddharthan writes: > > that is, if I include within a before closing > > the . In that case everything after the gets > > close-spaced when viewed in netscape. > > > > Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? > > should go outside of , as it does it most (all?) > documents. E.g.: > > Some text here > > Some screen stuff > is here > > More text I definitely disagree with that as a general statement (there is nothing wrong with "displayed text" in the middle of a paragraph, and mathematical equations are frequently displayed in the middle of a paragraph; a paragraph is a grammatical entity not a formatting one.) But if that's how the docbook system expects it to be, ok... Thanks R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 2:18:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400CA37B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6C9Htm23629 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA46179 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:30 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Linh Pham Cc: Murray Stokely , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010712111730.H42931@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from lplist@closedsrc.org on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 07:11:30PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh Pham said on Jul 11, 2001 at 19:11:30: > I guess I'm glad that the only time I have to deal with Postscript files > is when I take a PS file and convert it to PDF (of course, I do the > conversion on a Windows machine... shame on me). Is there a decent PS to > PDF converter available in the Ports collection? I don't remember seeing > one. The newest version of ghostscript (6.5) does a pretty good job. It includes a ps2pdf script which does things automatically, or you can use gs with command-line options to fine-tune it. Usually I need to do the reverse: given a PDF file I convert it to PS to take a printout... - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 2:45: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4051F37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40C33E2F; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:45:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape In-Reply-To: <20010712110323.G42931@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on "Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:03:23 +0200" Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:45:03 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010712094503.D40C33E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Dima Dorfman said on Jul 12, 2001 at 01:54:02: > > Rahul Siddharthan writes: > > > that is, if I include within a before closing > > > the . In that case everything after the gets > > > close-spaced when viewed in netscape. > > > > > > Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? > > > > should go outside of , as it does it most (all?) > > documents. E.g.: > > > > Some text here > > > > Some screen stuff > > is here > > > > More text > > I definitely disagree with that as a general statement (there is > nothing wrong with "displayed text" in the middle of a paragraph, and > mathematical equations are frequently displayed in the middle of a > paragraph; a paragraph is a grammatical entity not a formatting > one.) If we were going to redo all of the documents to follow this paradigm, I'd agree. Since we're not, I think it's more important to remain consistent. And it's not that bad. Although it's somewhat incorrect, you'll often see things like this in our documents: This is the begnning of our paragraph. To get a listing of a directory, we could use, &prompt.user; ls although &prompt.user; emacs . works too. This is the conclusion of our paragraph. Those 's really belong inside the paragraph, but it doesn't look too bad this way, even if it isn't entirely correct. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3: 1:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F7D37B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6CA1Sm28812 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id MAA48407 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:01:27 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape Message-ID: <20010712120127.J42931@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010712110323.G42931@lpt.ens.fr> <20010712094503.D40C33E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712094503.D40C33E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:45:03AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dima Dorfman said on Jul 12, 2001 at 02:45:03: > > If we were going to redo all of the documents to follow this paradigm, > I'd agree. Since we're not, I think it's more important to remain > consistent. And it's not that bad. Although it's somewhat incorrect, > you'll often see things like this in our documents: > > This is the begnning of our paragraph. To get a listing > of a directory, we could use, > > &prompt.user; ls > > although > > &prompt.user; emacs . > > works too. This is the conclusion of our paragraph. > > Those 's really belong inside the paragraph, but it doesn't > look too bad this way, even if it isn't entirely correct. True. It would look bad, however, if the paras were indented. What does the pdf version look like? (I couldn't generate it for some reason.) Anyway, I agree about remaining consistent, and in this case it's probably ok to break up the different paras anyway. I'm attaching the patch (for x11/chapter.sgml). Thanks - R --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="chapter.diff" *** chapter.sgml Thu Jul 12 11:50:48 2001 --- chapter.sgml Thu Jul 12 11:57:10 2001 *************** *** 1552,1574 **** section on TrueType fonts later. To install the above Type1 font collections, all you have ! to do is &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/urwfonts &prompt.root; make install clean ! and likewise with the freefont or other collections. To tell the X server that these fonts exist, you can add an appropriate line to your XF86Config file (in /etc/ for XFree86 version 3, or in /etc/X11/ for version 4), ! which reads FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW/" ! Alternatively, at the command line in your X session you can write &prompt.user; xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW &prompt.user; xset fp rehash ! This will work but will be lost when you log out from this session, unless you add it to your startup file (~/.xinitrc for a normal startx session, or ~/.xsession when logging in through a --- 1552,1582 ---- section on TrueType fonts later. To install the above Type1 font collections, all you have ! to do is ! &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/urwfonts &prompt.root; make install clean ! ! and likewise with the freefont or other ! collections. To tell the X server that these fonts exist, you can add an appropriate line to your XF86Config file (in /etc/ for XFree86 version 3, or in /etc/X11/ for version 4), ! which reads ! FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW/" ! ! Alternatively, at the command line in your X session ! you can write ! &prompt.user; xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW &prompt.user; xset fp rehash ! ! This will work but will be lost when you log out from this session, unless you add it to your startup file (~/.xinitrc for a normal startx session, or ~/.xsession when logging in through a *************** *** 1588,1596 **** in this example because it is more consistent with the other font rendering backends. To enable the freetype module just add the following line to the module section of your ! /etc/X11/XF86Config file. Load "freetype" - For XFree86 3.3.X you will need to run a separate TrueType font --- 1596,1604 ---- in this example because it is more consistent with the other font rendering backends. To enable the freetype module just add the following line to the module section of your ! /etc/X11/XF86Config file. ! Load "freetype" For XFree86 3.3.X you will need to run a separate TrueType font *************** *** 1616,1625 **** Now you need to add your TrueType directory to your fonts path. This is just the same as described above for Type1 fonts, that is, use &prompt.user; xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType &prompt.user; xset fp rehash ! or add a FontPath line to the XF86Config file. That's it. Now Netscape, Gimp, StarOffice, and all of your other X applications should now recognize your installed --- 1624,1636 ---- Now you need to add your TrueType directory to your fonts path. This is just the same as described above for Type1 fonts, that is, use ! &prompt.user; xset fp+ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType &prompt.user; xset fp rehash ! ! Or add a FontPath line to the XF86Config ! file. That's it. Now Netscape, Gimp, StarOffice, and all of your other X applications should now recognize your installed *************** *** 1644,1654 **** advanced things can be done with this file; this section describes only the simplest possibilities. ! First, you need to tell the X server about the fonts which you want anti-aliased. To do that, for each font directory you have ! a line, which looks like dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Type1" ! and likewise for the other font directories (URW, truetype, etc) containing fonts you'd like anti-aliased. Anti-aliasing makes sense only for scalable fonts (basically, Type1 and TrueType) so don't include bitmap font directories here. The --- 1655,1665 ---- advanced things can be done with this file; this section describes only the simplest possibilities. ! First, you need to tell the X server about the fonts which you want anti-aliased. To do that, for each font directory you have ! a line, which looks like dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Type1" ! and likewise for the other font directories (URW, truetype, etc) containing fonts you'd like anti-aliased. Anti-aliasing makes sense only for scalable fonts (basically, Type1 and TrueType) so don't include bitmap font directories here. The *************** *** 1660,1666 **** small text more readable and removes "staircases" from large text, but can cause eyestrain if applied to normal text.) To exclude point sizes between 9 and 13 from anti-aliasing, include the ! lines match any size > 8 --- 1671,1677 ---- small text more readable and removes "staircases" from large text, but can cause eyestrain if applied to normal text.) To exclude point sizes between 9 and 13 from anti-aliasing, include the ! lines match any size > 8 *************** *** 1668,1705 **** edit antialias = false; ! You may also find that the spacing for some monospaced fonts gets messed up when you turn on anti-aliasing. This seems to be an issue with KDE, in particular. One possible fix for this is to force the spacing for such fonts to be 100: add the ! following lines match any family == "fixed" edit family =+ "mono"; match any family == "console" edit family =+ "mono"; ! (this aliases the other common names for fixed fonts as "mono"), ! and then match any family == "mono" edit spacing = 100; ! Supposing you want to use the Lucidux fonts whenever monospaced fonts are required (these look nice, and don't seem to suffer from the spacing problem), you could replace that last line ! with match any family == "mono" edit family += "LuciduxMono"; match any family == "Lucidux Mono" edit family += "LuciduxMono"; match any family == "LuciduxMono" edit family =+ "Lucidux Mono"; ! (the last lines alias different equivalent family names). Finally, you want to allow users to add commands to this file, via their personal .xftconfig ! files. To do this, add a last line, includeif "~/.xftconfig" - That's all; anti-aliasing should be enabled the next time you start the X server. However, note that your programs must --- 1679,1716 ---- edit antialias = false; ! You may also find that the spacing for some monospaced fonts gets messed up when you turn on anti-aliasing. This seems to be an issue with KDE, in particular. One possible fix for this is to force the spacing for such fonts to be 100: add the ! following lines match any family == "fixed" edit family =+ "mono"; match any family == "console" edit family =+ "mono"; ! (this aliases the other common names for fixed fonts as "mono"), ! and then match any family == "mono" edit spacing = 100; ! Supposing you want to use the Lucidux fonts whenever monospaced fonts are required (these look nice, and don't seem to suffer from the spacing problem), you could replace that last line ! with match any family == "mono" edit family += "LuciduxMono"; match any family == "Lucidux Mono" edit family += "LuciduxMono"; match any family == "LuciduxMono" edit family =+ "Lucidux Mono"; ! (the last lines alias different equivalent family names). Finally, you want to allow users to add commands to this file, via their personal .xftconfig ! files. To do this, add a last line: ! includeif "~/.xftconfig" That's all; anti-aliasing should be enabled the next time you start the X server. However, note that your programs must --J2SCkAp4GZ/dPZZf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:21:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A50A37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CAHkS16868; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:46 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: sumanth vidyadhara Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to read tunables for Network drivers Message-ID: <20010712111746.S97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <075701c1087b$7f6cf050$c9cda8c0@sumanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dQ2XShfnd5GHxhN7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <075701c1087b$7f6cf050$c9cda8c0@sumanth>; from sumanth.vidyadhara@wipro.com on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:01:45PM +0530 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --dQ2XShfnd5GHxhN7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:01:45PM +0530, sumanth vidyadhara wrote: > we are writing a nic driver for ethernet card in freebsd 4.3. > I have a doubt on how do we get the configuration parameters like settin= g the transmit descriptors,recevice decriptors,also some driver specific tu= nables at load time of the driver module. >=20 > Is there any call where the driver module can read that and populate the = variables > in the driver(like Space.c in sco or unixware). >=20 > Any help is greatly appreciated. Don't know. Try the questions@ or hackers@ mailing lists. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --dQ2XShfnd5GHxhN7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtNeUkACgkQk6gHZCw343U4qwCeIz8Tn5PaoGKGUHmrIjMQXaFh vlgAniO1HcH/iD7ZUKhlopnuyoWN2Qdy =PZqk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dQ2XShfnd5GHxhN7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:27:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9AC37B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CAHKU16858; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:20 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Martin Horcicka Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Handbook's TOC Message-ID: <20010712111720.R97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010709193659.H15920-100000@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VdnGiXwuH6t1Tqzo" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010709193659.H15920-100000@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz>; from horcicka@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:42:09PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VdnGiXwuH6t1Tqzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:42:09PM +0200, Martin Horcicka wrote: > I am not sure - did someone notice the broken table of contents in the > html version of handbook? >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html >=20 > It is broken at least one day. Known bug, I'm working on a fix. On the assumption that it might be because the web build process is taking so long on freefall that it's running into a second copy of itself, and causing corruption that way, I've wrapped the webupdate scripts in calls to lockf(1), to make sure that two or more can't run at once. We'll see if that fixes the problem. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --VdnGiXwuH6t1Tqzo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtNeS8ACgkQk6gHZCw343WwfgCcCPWoYoKuR8L2441c9S0M5Sii b2oAn0wvP9NEybXf7a+6u+O3krbMrxql =HOR0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VdnGiXwuH6t1Tqzo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:27:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C1B37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CAFZg16848; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:15:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:15:35 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape Message-ID: <20010712111535.Q97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XQ/JOjNzrAcf1KaA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:48:25AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --XQ/JOjNzrAcf1KaA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:48:25AM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? Bit of both. The generated HTML isn't perfect, but Netscape could do a better job of rendering it -- Konq and IE get it right. Having looked at the markup, in this particular instance these should all be anyway, which is expected to be formatted as a separate block. I've made the necessary changes. FWIW, the DocBook stylesheets enforce this; is handled by code in dbverb.dsl which does this; (element screen ($verbatim-display$ %indent-screen-lines% %number-screen-lines%)) it might be worth rewriting that so it checks to see if an immediate ancestor of the screen element is , and if so, to adopt the same behaviour as that when processing the element. However, I'm not sure if it's worth it. If nothing else, the current style makes it very easy for the reader to skim the documentation picking out command lines to cut and paste -- putting those command lines inside paragraphs makes that a bit more difficult. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --XQ/JOjNzrAcf1KaA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtNeMcACgkQk6gHZCw343Wz2QCdE/SefU7y4dCCcVgPr/pS/uVR Q8QAoInL5rSMvcKZE3tIHKIr5Z/MPRYa =jt0F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XQ/JOjNzrAcf1KaA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:27:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4BE37B405; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CAJtQ16878; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:19:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:19:55 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Kozubik Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? Message-ID: <20010712111955.T97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010711231317.B1666@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2wYUONsACSj9OMJp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from john@kozubik.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:39:21AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2wYUONsACSj9OMJp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:39:21AM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: > Your point about the lack of HOWTO documents is well taken. In fact, > previously, I concluded that the lack of HOWTO documents was proof that a > conscious decision had been made at some point to _not_ have HOWTO > documents. I'm glad I was wrong. We sort of shot ourselves in the foot from a marketing point of view. =20 The Handbook has the content of 40 or 50 HOWTOs, but a single web link looks much less impressive than 50 of them. > With that in mind, I plan on writing many more HOWTO documents. Them's fighting words -- you realise that if you do that we may have to give you a commit bit. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --2wYUONsACSj9OMJp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtNecsACgkQk6gHZCw343UqAwCfbmgfnEin4NTv/9bcfuSXKgi/ 4eQAmgOGHm35y+t9SpH+ensWeb9hPQdp =zSVj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2wYUONsACSj9OMJp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:31:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561337B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6CAVbm32547 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id MAA49735 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:31:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:31:09 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spacing (again) in handbook with netscape Message-ID: <20010712123026.K42931@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010712104825.D42931@lpt.ens.fr> <20010712111535.Q97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712111535.Q97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:15:35AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton said on Jul 12, 2001 at 11:15:35: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:48:25AM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Am I not supposed to do this? Or is this just a bug with netscape? > > Bit of both. The generated HTML isn't perfect, but Netscape could do a > better job of rendering it -- Konq and IE get it right. > > Having looked at the markup, in this particular instance these should > all be anyway, which is expected to be formatted as a > separate block. I've made the necessary changes. OK, good. Then ignore the patch I sent a few minutes ago... R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 3:52: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6357C37B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:51:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CATgp16913; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:29:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:29:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010712112942.U97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FfX2iGK5t5ehHnsE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:14:15PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --FfX2iGK5t5ehHnsE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:14:15PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > Perhaps we can make Dia our standard for diagrams. =20 I'm trying to avoid mandating any particular image editor if at all possibl= e. I think it is worth trying to mandate a house style though. For example, take a look at=20 http://ora-design.ora.com/illus_dept/!active.html and the various graphics there (for example, under "Server Load Balancing"). It's clear they're all from the same source -- the=20 commonality of the icons, the width of lines, the size of arrowheads, the= =20 fact that lines are shown with rounded corners instead of right angles,=20 the font used for text in the image, the dashed lines to show different=20 domains,=20 I'm not saying that we should slavishly copy the O'Reilly style. However, having a style guide for images that spells out the house style should let people produce 'conforming' images whether they want to use Dia, Kivio, xfig, Sketch, or some other tool. Perhaps we could even have our own library of icons that can be used ("router", "host", "network cloud", "printer", ...) that can be used when putting together illustrations? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --FfX2iGK5t5ehHnsE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtNfBUACgkQk6gHZCw343VP6QCghvrdo+Tsnhg+DRwdtFkhJlcH MFoAn1wGOomlB+HTuwI2yDqGcuSTPyuj =UUlF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FfX2iGK5t5ehHnsE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6: 6:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9766737B409 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id A8A9555407; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F0951610; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Murray Stokely , Chern Lee , Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements In-Reply-To: <20010712111730.H42931@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-12, Rahul Siddharthan scribbled: # The newest version of ghostscript (6.5) does a pretty good job. It # includes a ps2pdf script which does things automatically, or you can # use gs with command-line options to fine-tune it. Thanks... I'll look into that. # Usually I need to do the reverse: given a PDF file I convert it to PS # to take a printout... Most of the time (since I work in Windows at work) I take Visio network diagrams and other files types and create PDFs so that I can distribute a more portable format to co-workers. There are times that I generatea PS file on a BSD machine and then use Acrobat Distiller to generate PDFs :) -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6:21:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF24E37B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:21:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E5E9855407; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D638651610 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Subject: HOWTO Article Submission Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have written a HOWTO on backing up Windows machines from FreeBSD using smbfs and Samba's smbclient. I would like to submit it to the documentation project and maybe have it added to the [growing] collection of HOWTO documents. I have also submitted the article for FreeBSDZine.org. The article has gone through a brief round of proofing by some of my co-workers, so the article might still contain errors. I have posted the article on two locations... the first one has a faster connection whereas the other one is where I will actually be making edits with, and then posting it to the first server in the list. http://aldmail.bnj.com/~lpham/howto_backup.html http://q.closedsrc.org/~question/howto/howto_backup.html Thanks -- Linh Pham [question@closedsrc.org] // Ask not for whom the ^G (or C-g) tolls. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6:30:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953B637B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6CDU2m51545 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:30:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id PAA57684 ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:30:00 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Linh Pham Cc: Murray Stokely , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010712153000.O42931@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010712111730.H42931@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from lplist@closedsrc.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:50:32AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh Pham said on Jul 12, 2001 at 05:50:32: > > Most of the time (since I work in Windows at work) I take Visio network > diagrams and other files types and create PDFs so that I can distribute > a more portable format to co-workers. There are times that I generatea > PS file on a BSD machine and then use Acrobat Distiller to generate PDFs > :) Ah, in that case you may want to use "epstopdf" (a script available in the teTeX distribution; I can send it to you separately if you like. It also calls ghostscript). If what you have is an image file for embedding elsewhere, rather than than a printable document, this is probably more suitable. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6:41:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7942437B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 707A255407; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECB251610; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Murray Stokely , Chern Lee , Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements In-Reply-To: <20010712153000.O42931@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-12, Rahul Siddharthan scribbled: # Ah, in that case you may want to use "epstopdf" (a script available in # the teTeX distribution; I can send it to you separately if you like. # It also calls ghostscript). If what you have is an image file for # embedding elsewhere, rather than than a printable document, this is # probably more suitable. I actually need to build the docproj port on my FreeBSD workstation anyways :) I had it on there before I wiped and re-built the machine (no thanks to an errant Enlighten DSM install... but that's another story.) I'll make sure that I include teTeX with the list of ports to build along with docproj :) Thanks -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFF637B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CDo0x43291; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7AE37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CDh0c29642; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200107121343.f6CDh0c29642@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Thierry Herbelot To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28915: inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNEL config) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28915 >Category: docs >Synopsis: inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNEL config) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 12 06:50:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Thierry Herbelot >Release: 4.3-Release >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD test.XXX 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Wed Jul 11 15:50:08 CEST 2001 herbelot@test.XXX:/usr/src/sys/compile/test i386 >Description: the man page for mkfifo(2) says : -------------- ERRORS Mkfifo() will fail and no fifo will be created if: [ENOTSUP] The kernel has not been configured to support fifo's. -------------- I do not see any FIFO config option in the LINT kernel config file, thus the man page seems to be wrong : it is not possible to compile a FreeBSD kernel without FIFO's >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: the manual lines cited should be removed >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 6:56:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (mail7.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10D3037B409 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from romulus007@netzero.net) Received: (qmail 21970 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 13:55:48 -0000 Received: from ip196.toronto86.dialup.canada.psi.net (HELO romulus) (154.20.80.196) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 13:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c10adb$308172b0$c450149a@romulus> Reply-To: "Romulus" <"Romulus" > From: "Romulus" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Please have some phucking RESPECT for the BSDs!!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:01:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10AB9.A4801710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10AB9.A4801710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For heaven's sakes, everyone knows the BSDs (FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD) = are way more stable, reliable and faster than Linux! Why is the development tools industry literally phucking us up the ass? = Yahoo, Walnut Creek, CDROM and other huge Internet sites relly on the = BSDs. It is also a great DESKTOP O/S too if it gets the same offerings = that Linux gets! Come on...Mac OS/X is based on FreeBSD! Need I say = more?? The day a tools vendor ships a NATIVE version that runs on the BSDs is = the day that more and more developers migrate to these same platforms = for good! BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!! You guys have no concept of PLANTING THE = SEED THAT BEARS BOUNTIFUL FRUIT. Do you? Finally, you guys are so STUPID that you are blinded by all the media = hype about Linux just because it has one guy (Linus), whom everyone's = rooting for against "big, bad Microsoft." What ever happened to supporting the product that's the most STABLE, = SECURED, and FASTEST? Meanwhile, the BSDs came out of the University of California at Berkeley = thanks to the great Bill Joy who just happens to be one of the worlds = greatest programmers and now Sun's top tech guru. Is it any surprise = that Solaris is also doing well? And Sun, shame on you for not shipping = a native JDK and J2EESDK for the BSDs! But I predict with Microsoft = screwing around with Corel and getting them to move C# and .NET over to = FreeBSD, I will bet my mother's retirement plan that a JDK magically = appears out of thin air around the time .NET is available! You guys, = too, are ASSHOLES in SOME regards -- not ALWAYS! :-) And you IBM, Oracle (er Horacle??), and Sybase! You ship your phucking = products and pump billions into Linux and ignore the cotton'pikin BSDs?? = Are you stupid or what??? All I'm saying to all you idiots is to SHIP = some products our way! Do you honestly abelieve that Linux is superior = to the BSDs? Gimme a break, dudes! Look at the mess Linux is in with their programming model compared to = the BSDs ports concept! The programmers involved in the BSDs would easily put any of those Linux = part time hackers to shame. The proof is in the FINAL PRODUCT. To conclude, if VISUAL TOOLS like Delphi, C++ Builder, RealBasic, = ActivePython, ActivePERL, JBuilder, Dylan, CommonLisp, etc. And Borland, for Pete's sakes, why don't you at least port the command = line version of the Delphi Object Pascal compiler over to the BSDs just = like the built-in C/C++ compilers that come standard with any Linux or = BSD distro??? For Criss sakes, use your noggin and sow some seeds for = future generations!! Shessh!!! Is this so hard to do?? I know I'd rather = do my low level coding in Object Pascal than waste time with all of = C++'s hassles! You did it already with the command line BCC 5 compiler = on X-86...why not do the same damn thing with Object Pascal on Linux and = FreeBSD? Oh well...I just felt that an END USER in the MIS world had to let you = astute business wizards know what we're thinking because most of you = guys seem to have a pickle stuck up your asses! You simply do not know = how to nuture a market that gets no respect from the Visual Tools arena, = yet ALL OF YOU ARE PROBABLY USING BSD code PRIVATELY. Right? Romulus. ---------------- ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10AB9.A4801710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For heaven's sakes, everyone knows the BSDs = (FreeBSD,=20 NetBSD, OpenBSD) are way more stable, reliable and faster than=20 Linux!
 
Why is the development tools industry literally = phucking=20 us up the ass? Yahoo, Walnut Creek, CDROM and other huge Internet sites = relly on=20 the BSDs. It is also a great DESKTOP O/S too if it gets the same = offerings that=20 Linux gets! Come on...Mac OS/X is based on FreeBSD! Need I say=20 more??
 
The day a tools vendor ships a NATIVE version = that runs on=20 the BSDs is the day that more and more developers migrate to these same=20 platforms for good!
 
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!! You guys have no = concept of=20 PLANTING THE SEED THAT BEARS BOUNTIFUL FRUIT. Do you?
 
Finally, you guys are so STUPID that you are = blinded by=20 all the media hype about Linux just because it has one guy (Linus), whom = everyone's rooting for against "big, bad Microsoft."
What ever happened to supporting the product = that's the=20 most STABLE, SECURED, and FASTEST?
Meanwhile, the BSDs came out of the University = of=20 California at Berkeley thanks to the great Bill Joy who just happens to = be one=20 of the worlds greatest programmers and now Sun's top tech guru. Is it = any=20 surprise that Solaris is also doing well? And Sun, shame on you for not = shipping=20 a native JDK and J2EESDK for the BSDs! But I predict with Microsoft = screwing=20 around with Corel and getting them to move C# and .NET over to FreeBSD, = I will=20 bet my mother's retirement plan that a JDK magically appears out of thin = air=20 around the time .NET is available! You guys, too, are ASSHOLES in SOME = regards=20 -- not ALWAYS! :-)
 
And you IBM, Oracle (er Horacle??), and Sybase! = You ship=20 your phucking products and pump billions into Linux and ignore the = cotton'pikin=20 BSDs?? Are you stupid or what??? All I'm saying to all you idiots is to = SHIP=20 some products our way! Do you honestly abelieve that Linux is superior = to the=20 BSDs? Gimme a break, dudes!
 
Look at the mess Linux is in with their = programming model=20 compared to the BSDs ports concept!
The programmers involved in the BSDs would = easily put any=20 of those Linux part time hackers to shame. The proof is in the FINAL=20 PRODUCT.
 
To conclude, if VISUAL TOOLS like Delphi, C++ = Builder,=20 RealBasic, ActivePython, ActivePERL, JBuilder, Dylan, CommonLisp,=20 etc.
 
And Borland, for Pete's sakes, why don't you at = least port=20 the command line version of the Delphi Object Pascal compiler over to = the BSDs=20 just like the built-in C/C++ compilers that come standard with any Linux = or BSD=20 distro??? For Criss sakes, use your noggin and sow some seeds for future = generations!! Shessh!!! Is this so hard to do?? I know I'd rather do my = low=20 level coding in Object Pascal than waste time with all of C++'s hassles! = You did=20 it already with the command line BCC 5 compiler on X-86...why not do the = same=20 damn thing with Object Pascal on Linux and FreeBSD?
 
Oh well...I just felt that an END USER in the = MIS world=20 had to let you astute business wizards know what we're thinking because = most of=20 you guys seem to have a pickle stuck up your asses! You simply do not = know how=20 to nuture a market that gets no respect from the Visual Tools = arena, yet=20 ALL OF YOU ARE PROBABLY USING BSD code PRIVATELY. Right?
 
Romulus.
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C10AB9.A4801710-- NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 7: 5: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A9F37B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 02C0B55407; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A351610; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Romulus Cc: Subject: Re: Please have some phucking RESPECT for the BSDs!!! In-Reply-To: <002201c10adb$308172b0$c450149a@romulus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think companies will listen to the community better if the message is in a professional and much more mature manner than what was written. Plus _spamming_ the sales department of all of those companies won't help, and many will just look at the subject line, frown and probably delete it. I don't want to speak for the community, but I think the community want to be portrayed as a whiny, immature crowd. >>> The reason why I included freebsd-doc was that from the mail headers, it showed freebsd-doc as the owner of the message-id. My guess is that freebsd-doc could have been bcc'd. -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 8:10:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8391D37B40B for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CFA1S58415; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru [62.76.89.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A846C37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (root@bitmcnit.bryansk.su [192.168.121.2]) by rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6CF1qD25457; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:01:52 +0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id SAA15873; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:58:30 +0400 Received: (from alex@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CExeq01850; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:59:40 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200107121459.f6CExeq01850@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:59:40 +0400 (MSD) From: Alex Kapranoff To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: honig@sprynet.com X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28916 >Category: docs >Synopsis: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 12 08:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alex Kapranoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Inner Mongolia >Environment: System: FreeBSD kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Jun 24 22:56:52 MSD 2001 root@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su:/usr/src/sys/compile/KAPRAN i386 >Description: I added some content (mostly removing obsolete info and providing additional links) along with converting the text to DocBook. A review would be appreciated. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # Makefile # article.sgml # echo x - Makefile sed 's/^X//' >Makefile << 'END-of-Makefile' X# $FreeBSD: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/Makefile,v 1.1 2000/06/26 09:10:24 nik Exp $ X XDOC?= article X XFORMATS?= html X XINSTALL_COMPRESSED?=gz XINSTALL_ONLY_COMPRESSED?= X XSRCS= article.sgml X XDOC_PREFIX?= ${.CURDIR}/../../.. X X.include "${DOC_PREFIX}/share/mk/doc.project.mk" END-of-Makefile echo x - article.sgml sed 's/^X//' >article.sgml << 'END-of-article.sgml' X X%man; X]> X X X X
X X Independent Verification of IPSec Functionality in FreeBSD X X X David X Honig X X X
honig@sprynet.com
X X X X 3 May 1999 X X X You installed IPsec and it seems to be working. How do you X know? I describe a method for experimentally verifying that IPsec is X working. X X X X X The Problem X X First, let's assume you have X installed IPsec. How do you know X it's working? Sure, your X connection won't work if its misconfigured, and it will work X when you finally get it right. &man.netstat.1; will list it. X But can you independently confirm it? X X X X The Solution X X First, some crypto-relevant info theory: X X X X encrypted data is uniformly distributed, i.e., has maximal X entropy per symbol; X X X X raw, uncompressed data is typically redundant, i.e., has X sub-maximal entropy. X X X X Suppose you could measure the entropy of the data to- and X from- your network interface. Then you could see the difference X between unencrypted data and encrypted data. This would be true X even if some of the data in encrypted mode was X not encrypted---as the outermost IP header must be, if the X packet is to be routable. X X X MUST X X Ueli Maurer's Universal Statistical Test for Random X Bit Generators( X MUST) quickly measures the entropy X of a sample. It uses a compression-like algorithm. The code is given below for a variant X which measures successive (~quarter megabyte) chunks of a X file. X X X X Tcpdump X X We also need a way to capture the raw network data. A X program called &man.tcpdump.1; lets you do this, if you have X enabled the Berkeley Packet Filter X interface in your kernel's config X file. X X The command X X X tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w dumpfile.bin X X X will capture 4000 raw packets to X dumpfile.bin. Up to 10,000 bytes per X packet will be captured in this example. X X X X The Experiment X X Here's the experiment. X X X X Open a window to an IPsec host and another window to an X insecure host. X X X X Now start capturing X packets. X X X X In the secure window, run the UNIX X command &man.yes.1;, which will stream the y X character. After a while, stop this. Switch to the X insecure window, and repeat. After a while, stop. X X X X Now run MUST on the X captured packets. You should see something like the X following. The important thing to note is that the secure X connection has 93% (6.7) of the expected value (7.18), and X the normal connection has 29% (2.1) of the X expected value. X X X&prompt.user; tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w ipsecdemo.bin X&prompt.user; uliscan ipsecdemo.bin X XUliscan 21 Dec 98 XL=8 256 258560 XMeasuring file ipsecdemo.bin XInit done XExpected value for L=8 is 7.1836656 X6.9396 -------------------------------------------------------- X6.6177 ----------------------------------------------------- X6.4100 --------------------------------------------------- X2.1101 ----------------- X2.0838 ----------------- X2.0983 ----------------- X X X X X X X Caveat X X This experiment shows that IPsec does X seem to be distributing the payload data X uniformly, as encryption should. However, X the experiment described here can not X detect many possible flaws in a system (none of which do I have X any evidence for). These include poor key generation or X exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of weak X algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the X code. X X X X IPsec---Definition X X Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for X IPv6. A protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication X at the IP (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application X socket; SSH secures only a login; X PGP secures only a specified file or X message. IPsec encrypts everything between two hosts. X X X X Installing IPsec X X Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support X in their base source. So you'll probably will need to include X option in your kernel config and, after X kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec connections using X &man.setkey.8; command. X X A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is X provided in FreeBSD X Handbook. X X X X usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME X X This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order X to be able to capture network data with &man.tcpdump.1;. Be sure X to run &man.config.8; after adding this, and rebuild and X reinstall. X X Xdevice bpf X X X X X Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block size=8 X bits) X X You can find the same code at X this link. X X X/* X ULISCAN.c ---blocksize of 8 X X 1 Oct 98 X 1 Dec 98 X 21 Dec 98 uliscan.c derived from ueli8.c X X This version has // comments removed for Sun cc X X This implements Ueli M Maurer's "Universal Statistical Test for Random X Bit Generators" using L=8 X X Accepts a filename on the command line; writes its results, with other X info, to stdout. X X Handles input file exhaustion gracefully. X X Ref: J. Cryptology v 5 no 2, 1992 pp 89-105 X also on the web somewhere, which is where I found it. X X -David Honig X honig@sprynet.com X X Usage: X ULISCAN filename X outputs to stdout X*/ X X#define L 8 X#define V (1<<L) X#define Q (10*V) X#define K (100 *Q) X#define MAXSAMP (Q + K) X X#include <stdio.h> X#include <math.h> X Xint main(argc, argv) Xint argc; Xchar **argv; X{ X FILE *fptr; X int i,j; X int b, c; X int table[V]; X double sum = 0.0; X int iproduct = 1; X int run; X X extern double log(/* double x */); X X printf("Uliscan 21 Dec 98 \nL=%d %d %d \n", L, V, MAXSAMP); X X if (argc < 2) { X printf("Usage: Uliscan filename\n"); X exit(-1); X } else { X printf("Measuring file %s\n", argv[1]); X } X X fptr = fopen(argv[1],"rb"); X X if (fptr == NULL) { X printf("Can't find %s\n", argv[1]); X exit(-1); X } X X for (i = 0; i < V; i++) { X table[i] = 0; X } X X for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) { X b = fgetc(fptr); X table[b] = i; X } X X printf("Init done\n"); X X printf("Expected value for L=8 is 7.1836656\n"); X X run = 1; X X while (run) { X sum = 0.0; X iproduct = 1; X X if (run) X for (i = Q; run && i < Q + K; i++) { X j = i; X b = fgetc(fptr); X X if (b < 0) X run = 0; X X if (run) { X if (table[b] > j) X j += K; X X sum += log((double)(j-table[b])); X X table[b] = i; X } X } X X if (!run) X printf("Premature end of file; read %d blocks.\n", i - Q); X X sum = (sum/((double)(i - Q))) / log(2.0); X printf("%4.4f ", sum); X X for (i = 0; i < (int)(sum*8.0 + 0.50); i++) X printf("-"); X X printf("\n"); X X /* refill initial table */ X if (0) { X for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) { X b = fgetc(fptr); X if (b < 0) { X run = 0; X } else { X table[b] = i; X } X } X } X } X} X X X
END-of-article.sgml exit >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 8:39:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF72737B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from romulus007@netzero.net) Received: (qmail 11523 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 15:39:19 -0000 Received: from ip245.toronto83.dialup.canada.psi.net (HELO romulus) (154.20.77.245) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 15:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> Reply-To: "Romulus" <"Romulus" > From: "Romulus" To: "Linh Pham" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Your reply! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:43:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh, Instead of me replying to you, personally, I'll simply provide a copy of an email I just sent out. <<---BEGIN OF INCLUDED MESSAGE--->> Rahul, Answer this one question! Does the BSDs get the same opportunities annointed to Linux? The answer is a resounding, "No!!!" Did I use the "F" word or did I change the spelling to be more respectful? The problem with you guys is that you have no clue how to get people's attention and REALLY MAKE THEM THINK LONG AND HARD at some of their unequitable business practices. I'm not only a developer, but I also write, and am astute in the fine art of MARKETING. All I hope is for these companies to open their eyes and give the BSDs a chance to run their products natively -- nothing more, nothing less. Is this so bad, Rahul? And for the record, I'm a developer who works for one of the largest banks in the world (34,000 employees) and am sick of these vendors pandering to only to Linux even though experts agree that the BSDs are a better OVERALL O/S. By the way, you write and act like a typical geek when you criticize my email client and Windows 2000 - Advanced Server O/S. After all, I still have to put food on the table and pay for my Audi TT. Right? So it should not be too hard for you to understand that I'm paid to create Delphi/PL-SQL/Java/ASP code on WINDOZE while I'm at the bank! Got it? Drivel? I think not! Sometimes the TRUTH HURTS, and it requires an OUTSIDER like me to ruffle some feathers NOW so that the FUTURE is a little brighter. Believe it or not, I've had some very possitive comments from some vendors so far as they can appreciate the point of view of a developer who WORKS FOR A 200 BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY and has INFLUENCE on what's PURCHASED (RDBMSs, development tools, etc.). Got it? Remember, Rahul, MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS! These companies only know about revenues. I only reminded them that they could make a lot more if they also shipped their products natively on the BSDs. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying, then you are as STUPID as an investor who paid $270 for a share of Red Hat stock. Did you, by the way? Fianlly, please stay off my back! And no, I am not even near to the point of being a BSD advocate or zealot. Hey, I have a life and see the BSDs simply as a tool! I'd rather be chasing skirts at a night club, playing basketball or pumping iron in the gym FOR FUN, so don't let your head get too FAT because I'm far from being a geek! Are you, or do you have a life? Romulus. ****************** IT Consultant (eCommerce/Application Development) (ASP, Java, J2EE, PHP, IIS-5, Win2K, Python, VB SQL Server-2000, PL/SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Delphi, C++) ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rahul Siddharthan" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Stupid rant received via -doc list Just who does this guy think he's helping with this sort of drivel? Moreover, if he himself has so much respect for BSD, why can't he use a well-behaved mail client on a respectable operating system? I'm ccing -advocacy, not sure why, probably because such "advocates" worry me. At least he doesn't give an impression of speaking "for" the project in any official sense. R <<---END OF INCLUDED MESSAGE--->> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linh Pham" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Please have some phucking RESPECT for the BSDs!!! I think companies will listen to the community better if the message is in a professional and much more mature manner than what was written. Plus _spamming_ the sales department of all of those companies won't help, and many will just look at the subject line, frown and probably delete it. I don't want to speak for the community, but I think the community want to be portrayed as a whiny, immature crowd. >>> The reason why I included freebsd-doc was that from the mail headers, it showed freebsd-doc as the owner of the message-id. My guess is that freebsd-doc could have been bcc'd. -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 8:46:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C06037B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6CFjmt26190; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: Romulus@Atheist.com, romulus007@netzero.net Cc: lplist@closedsrc.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Your reply! In-Reply-To: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:45:48 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please get this ranting off the freebsd-doc list. It has no place here and if you want to engage in your own peculiar brand of guerilla marketing (which frankly looks more like the tail end of a cocaine binge to me) then you're free to do it ELSEWHERE. Thank you. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 8:50:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9424937B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 78864 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jul 2001 15:50:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:50:44 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: Romulus Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your reply! Message-ID: <20010712115044.A77532@databits.net> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus>; from romulus007@netzero.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:43:52AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | Did I use the "F" word or did I change the spelling to be more respectful? Yes, incredibly respectful. Was that before or after you called everybody "stupid"? While I agree with the general idea of your email, calling people stupid and saying they are dumb will not get you anywhere. | unequitable business practices. I'm not only a developer, but I also write, | and am astute in the fine art of MARKETING. Do you market all your ideas by calling people stupid? | Remember, Rahul, MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS! These companies only know Have fun on your walk... perhaps you should follow your own ideas and offer some of your own money up front for a product? Get a lot of people to offer some money up front so Oracle or whoever *knows* they have some sure-sales. Heck, if people are offering money before there's even a product out, this will surely be an incentive to develop the product (in this case, a BSD-native port of their software). Happy Trolling, -pete -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 9: 9: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA77E37B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:08:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3B4DCB94.1070501@cream.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:08:52 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kozubik Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Kozubik wrote: > and one very new one on building invisible firewalls with bridging and > ipfw / IPSTEALTH: > > http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt I'm not really sure about the technical details, but this looks kinda similar to a document that I marked up a while ago, but never made it back into the document project. It's still available though on http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~andrew/docproj/filtering-bridges/ But I think it might be out of date now, and perhaps your document is more relevent. I marked the document up almost a year ago, but never pursued having it commited into the docs because I was busy with other stuff. Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 9:17:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow029o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613C937B403; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:16:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3B4DCD6C.1080002@cream.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:16:44 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Martin Horcicka , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Handbook's TOC References: <20010709193659.H15920-100000@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <20010712111720.R97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seems to be sorted now. Any ideas why the docs build should be taking so long on freefall? Is the machine just overloaded or is there a more sinister reason? Nik Clayton wrote: >> I am not sure - did someone notice the broken table of contents in the >> html version of handbook? > Known bug, I'm working on a fix. > > On the assumption that it might be because the web build process is > taking so long on freefall that it's running into a second copy of > itself, and causing corruption that way, I've wrapped the webupdate > scripts in calls to lockf(1), to make sure that two or more can't run at > once. We'll see if that fixes the problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 9:22: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D151D37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from romulus007@netzero.net) Received: (qmail 11217 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 16:21:47 -0000 Received: from ip108.toronto82.dialup.canada.psi.net (HELO romulus) (154.20.76.108) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 16:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> Reply-To: "Romulus" <"Romulus" > From: "Romulus" To: "Jason Sheets" , "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gentlemen, Why are you bitching at me? I am a developer for a large bank who uses millions of dollars of software (Oracle 8i, 9i, 9iAS, HP-UX, Solaris, Delphi, SAP R/4, PeopleSoft, Visual Studio, Win2k, etc.) from these companies. All I'm telling them is that my colleagues are fed up with their favoritism in support for only Linux at the EXPENSE of the BSDs. Do you understand me or are your heads polluted with C pointer memory leaks? And please get off your high horse thinking I'm some BSD zealot or advocate a la Linux! Hardly! I use what's most appropriate when its required and stay away from that EMOTIONAL crap. Perhaps you'll understand my perspective by reading a follow up to my original email: **** <<---BEGIN OF INCLUDED MESSAGE--->> Rahul, Answer this one question! Does the BSDs get the same opportunities anointed to Linux? The answer is a resounding, "No!!!" Did I use the "F" word or did I change the spelling to be more respectful? The problem with you guys is that you have no clue how to get people's attention and REALLY MAKE THEM THINK LONG AND HARD at some of their inequitable business practices. I'm not only a developer, but I also write, and am astute in the fine art of MARKETING. All I hope is for these companies to open their eyes and give the BSDs a chance to run their products natively -- nothing more, nothing less. Is this so bad, Rahul? And for the record, I'm a developer who works for one of the largest banks in the world (34,000 employees) and am sick of these vendors pandering only to Linux even though experts agree that the BSDs are a better OVERALL O/S. By the way, you write and act like a typical geek when you criticize my email client and Windows 2000 - Advanced Server O/S. After all, I still have to put food on the table and pay for my Audi TT. Right? So it should not be too hard for you to understand that I'm paid to create Delphi/PL-SQL/Java/ASP code on WINDOZE while I'm at the bank! Got it? Drivel? I think not! Sometimes the TRUTH HURTS, and it requires an OUTSIDER like me to ruffle some feathers NOW so that the FUTURE is a little brighter. Believe it or not, I've had some very positive comments from some vendors so far as they can appreciate the point of view of a developer who WORKS FOR A 200 BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY and has INFLUENCE on what's PURCHASED (RDBMSs, development tools, etc.). Got it? Remember, Rahul, MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS! These companies only know about revenues. I only reminded them that they could make a lot more if they also shipped their products natively on the BSDs. If you can't comprehend what I'm saying, then you are as STUPID as an investor who paid $270 for a share of Red Hat stock. Did you, by the way? Finally, please stay off my back! And no, I am not even near to the point of being a BSD advocate or zealot. Hey, I have a life and see the BSDs simply as a tool! I'd rather be chasing skirts at a night club, playing basketball or pumping iron in the gym FOR FUN, so don't let your head get too FAT because I'm far from being a geek! Are you, or do you have a life? Romulus. ****************** IT Consultant (eCommerce/Application Development) (ASP, Java, J2EE, PHP, IIS-5, Win2K, Python, VB SQL Server-2000, PL/SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Delphi, C++) ****************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Hubbard" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Your reply! << Please get this ranting off the freebsd-doc list. It has no place here and if you want to engage in your own peculiar brand of guerilla marketing (which frankly looks more like the tail end of a cocaine binge to me) then you're free to do it ELSEWHERE. Thank you. - Jordan >> ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Sheets To: romulus007@netzero.net Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Please have some phucking RESPECT for the BSDs!!! << Do you think this email is actually going to do any good? All it is going to do is degrade these companhies opinions of the users of the BSD operating systems. By cursing, swearing at them and insulting their intelligence you are decreasing their desire to do anything for the open source bsd family. This may be acceptable behavior in the Linux world, we do not like it and we do not want to be attached to it. The BSD community in general is much more mature than this and I am resentful that you felt it was needed to do this. You could have written an informative, polite and professional letter just as easily and you would get a much better response. Beside the lack of professional wording the spelling in this document leaves much to be desired and does not represent the community. Please do not speak for a community which you know nothing about again. Thanks, Jason >> ==================================== NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 9:47:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cartman.techsupport.co.uk (cabletel1.cableol.net [194.168.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD84D37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@techsupport.co.uk) Received: from ceri by cartman.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15Kjdk-0003Wn-00; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:48:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:48:36 +0100 From: Ceri To: Romulus Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! Message-ID: <20010712174836.A11915@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus>; from romulus007@netzero.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:27:44PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:27:44PM -0400, Romulus said: > Perhaps you'll understand my perspective by reading a follow up to my Or perhaps I could take this as a good reason to read up on procmail ? What is this post doing on -doc in the first place ? Ceri -- Your local RFC Nazi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 9:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from legolas.mt.sri.com (legolas.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA23037B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@legolas.mt.sri.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by legolas.mt.sri.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6CGxFI11962; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:59:15 -0600 From: Chris Jones To: "Romulus <@netbsd.org Romulus" Cc: Jason Sheets , Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, lplist@closedsrc.org, www@netbsd.org Subject: Re: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! Message-ID: <20010712105915.J11489@mt.sri.com> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYo4Elh1vtcYNvbq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus>; from romulus007@netzero.net on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:27:44PM -0400 X-Attribution: Jones Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zYo4Elh1vtcYNvbq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:27:44PM -0400, Romulus wrote: > Gentlemen, > Why are you bitching at me? Simple: Most of us believe that offensive language is not an effective way to improve our image. Many of us try very hard to make our user communities friendly and supportive, because we believe this will attract and retain more users. And remember that many of our users are not private individuals, but representatives of companies. Advocacy is great, but rude advocacy is worse than no advocacy at all. IMHO. Chris --=20 ---------------------------------------------------- chris@cjones.org Chris Jones Mad scientist at large www.netbsd.org www.postgresql.org www.schemers.org www.python.org --zYo4Elh1vtcYNvbq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtN12MACgkQDPY2T8RzaD+dqACfSurQkbEmc4vgkAc7HgvxIkpi 4+IAnjQQBtWjBFkNwYvu4iz354iWwgK2 =EbGR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYo4Elh1vtcYNvbq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 10:21:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3421D37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frederik@freddym.org) Received: from firewall.freddym.org (p3E9D16B6.dip.t-dialin.net [62.157.22.182]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06757; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by firewall.freddym.org (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id f6CGKNR13668; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:20:23 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: firewall.freddym.org: Host [127.0.0.1] claimed to be localhost Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:20:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Freddy Meerwaldt To: "Romulus\" <\"Romulus" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! In-Reply-To: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! > Why are you bitching at me? I am a developer for a large bank who uses You want to know why we're _bitching_ at you???? I havn't replied to your original mail, I only thought: "Just delete it and save your nervs...". But if you have no other words than phucking (which you actually write with an "f"....) or bitching etc. available - poor guy. > favoritism in support for only Linux at the EXPENSE of the BSDs. Do you > understand me or are your heads polluted with C pointer memory leaks? Oh, what friendly you can be.... BTW: You wrote that you're an IT consultant. If I'd be your boss, I would just look for a small wooden 1-room-apartement.... Sorry for the statement, but I can't resist when I hear such a crap. Best Regards, Freddy -- Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv ========================================================================== Frederik Meerwaldt ICQ: 83045387 Homepage: http://www.freddym.org Bavaria/Germany OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 10:26:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [166.90.8.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6CHL9q51390; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozubik To: Andrew Boothman Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? In-Reply-To: <3B4DCB94.1070501@cream.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mine is probably about the same, however it offers examples of the bridging firewall both with and without IP addresses. Mine is also a little longer and discusses more theory, I think. I think the main difference is that mine discusses the somewhat subtle nuances of enabling net.link.ether.bridge, vs enabling both that and net.link.ether.bridge_ipfw I should have it marked up next week, then will leave it to you to decide. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Andrew Boothman wrote: > John Kozubik wrote: > > > > and one very new one on building invisible firewalls with bridging and > > ipfw / IPSTEALTH: > > > > http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt > > I'm not really sure about the technical details, but this looks kinda > similar to a document that I marked up a while ago, but never made it > back into the document project. > > It's still available though on > http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~andrew/docproj/filtering-bridges/ > But I think it might be out of date now, and perhaps your document is > more relevent. > > I marked the document up almost a year ago, but never pursued having it > commited into the docs because I was busy with other stuff. > > Andrew. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 10:35: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA69837B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6CHXOt26519; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: Romulus@Atheist.com, romulus007@netzero.net Cc: jsheets@shadonet.com, jkh@osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, lplist@closedsrc.org Subject: Re: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! In-Reply-To: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010712103324K.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:33:24 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 15 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Romulus" Subject: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:27:44 -0400 > Why are you bitching at me? I am a developer for a large bank who uses > millions of dollars of software (Oracle 8i, 9i, 9iAS, HP-UX, Solaris, > Delphi, SAP R/4, PeopleSoft, Visual Studio, Win2k, etc.) from these Erm, who gives a shit? I'm telling you, and for the last time, that this has NOTHING to do with FreeBSD documentation and that's what the freebsd-doc list is for. If you're unable to understand such a simple fact as this then pretty much everything you have to say is invalidated anyway. MOVE ALONG. Thank you. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 11:17:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BFE37B403; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010712181755.VNWS9548.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:55 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6CIHsd01017; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107121817.f6CIHsd01017@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/09/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Nik Clayton , Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: State of the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010711110305.I42757@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010710113247.A2B863E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200107101740.f6AHeAO26213@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711172308.H97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <200107111732.f6BHWK142217@intruder.bmah.org> <20010711110305.I42757@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:05 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1797244966P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:17:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1797244966P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: Hi Murray-- > The only two sections that I would keep would be > these : > > "The UART what it is and how it works." > > "Storage Devices" Concur. > I don't think either is particularly relevant but someone has spent > time writing a lot of technical information so I think perhaps we > should move these out into two seperate tutorials and then at a later > date if someone wants to write some super hardware document for > FreeBSD then they've got these to start from. I'm a little uneasy about parts of the "Storage Devices" chapter, I have this cold, prickly feeling about it being out of date too. (I don't think that UARTs have changed much.) I agree that in its current form it should be moved out of the Handbook. > Are there any objections to me moving these two sections out of > Appendix F into two new tutorials and then cvs removing the hw/ > subdir? Does anyone have a better idea? No objections from this corner, and I can't come up with anything better. Cheers, Bruce. --==_Exmh_1797244966P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7TenS2MoxcVugUsMRAjkYAKCsUxrT3p98dKEu+Tuu8m4kA7YwlgCgylbM 2N2HvZqEoObn7oSI3KAIUbk= =nT6h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1797244966P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 13:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F258037B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CKU0s09281; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2962737B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23309; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:21:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Message-Id: <200107122021.QAA23309@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Reply-To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28926: minor error in loader.conf.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28926 >Category: docs >Synopsis: minor error in loader.conf.5 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 12 13:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Lucas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: System: FreeBSD turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #1: Tue Jan 30 19:12:26 EST 2001 mwlucas@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TURTLEDAWN i386 vanilla 5.0-C system >Description: It's "vice versa", not "vise versa". See http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=vice%20versa for confirmation. I know it's trivial, but every time I see it my eyeballs bulge and my blood pressure skyrockets. >How-To-Repeat: Read tuning(7). Go to the end. >Fix: *** tuning.7-fixed Thu Jul 12 08:47:51 2001 --- tuning.7 Thu Jul 12 08:46:23 2001 *************** *** 463,469 **** .Sy DUMMYNET feature to implement peak shaving or other forms of traffic shaping to prevent the overloaded service (such as web services) from effecting other ! services (such as email), or vice versa. In home installations this could be used to give interactive traffic (your browser, ssh logins) priority over services you export from your box (web services, email). .Sh SEE ALSO --- 463,469 ---- .Sy DUMMYNET feature to implement peak shaving or other forms of traffic shaping to prevent the overloaded service (such as web services) from effecting other ! services (such as email), or vise versa. In home installations this could be used to give interactive traffic (your browser, ssh logins) priority over services you export from your box (web services, email). .Sh SEE ALSO >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 13:41:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A353B37B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23395; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:41:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:41:34 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28926: minor error in loader.conf.5 Message-ID: <20010712164134.A23373@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200107122021.QAA23309@blackhelicopters.org> <200107122030.f6CKU0S09277@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200107122030.f6CKU0S09277@freefall.freebsd.org>; from gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:30:00PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I goofed on the template; the subject is entirely inaccurate. It should be: minor error in tuning(7). Sorry! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 13:44:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFB937B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CKf8Q11037; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107122041.f6CKf8Q11037@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28926: minor error in loader.conf.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: minor error in loader.conf.5 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Thu Jul 12 21:40:32 BST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28926 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 13:45: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (h24-68-206-125.sbm.shawcable.net [24.68.206.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2556037B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6CKj2W86930 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:45:02 -0600 From: Chad David To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: mmap(3) question Message-ID: <20010712144502.A86885@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On my -current machine an apropos mmap returns mmap(3) in the list with other memory allocators, but there is no mmap(3). Each of the other allocator functions is linked to malloc.3, but there is no mmap.3, so it is just hanging? Since there is already a mmap(2) writing a mmap(3) is probably a little silly. Should mmap(3) be linked to memory.3, or should it be removed from memory.3, or...? Chad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 13:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF94A37B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6CKo1v11887; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107122050.f6CKo1v11887@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/28926: minor error in loader.conf.5 Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28926; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28926: minor error in loader.conf.5 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:42:15 +0100 mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org wrote: >> Synopsis: minor error in loader.conf.5 ... > Read tuning(7). Go to the end. Now you're just trying to confuse me aren't you? :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 14:38:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r6.bfm.org [216.127.220.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCF537B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CLcCl03682; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:38:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:38:09 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Message-ID: <20010712163809.A3664@whizkidtech.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:14:15PM -0700 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-Assembly-Language: http://int80h.org/ X-Web-Search: http://phonecowboy.master.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 4.3-20010525-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:14:15PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: >for Murray. If any of you run into the same problems, I've made packages >of these two ports as well as dia itself. > >http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/dia-gnome-0.88.1.tgz >http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/gnomecore-1.4.0.4_1.tgz >http://people.freebsd.org/~chern/libiconv-1.6.1.tgz Well, it breaks for me when I try to build libgda. The last thing it says before crashing is: configure:5550: checking whether glib 1.3 or newer should be used You wouldn't happen to have a libgda-0.2.10.tgz, would you? Alas, there is none at ftp.freebsd.org. Adam -- Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself... -- Mark Twain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 16:50:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0592837B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6CNPkC20047; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:25:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:25:46 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Andrew Boothman Cc: Nik Clayton , Martin Horcicka , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken Handbook's TOC Message-ID: <20010713002546.B18498@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010709193659.H15920-100000@dzungle.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <20010712111720.R97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <3B4DCD6C.1080002@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B4DCD6C.1080002@cream.org>; from andrew@cream.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:16:44PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > Any ideas why the docs build should be taking so long on freefall? Is=20 > the machine just overloaded or is there a more sinister reason? I'm guessing overloaded, although the doc build process can be pretty intensive. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtOMfkACgkQk6gHZCw343XdkgCfXAuQz/sfjm9FZwGA9bdnRwdW efkAn2Fzk7kd72Mtw1yvtmu3Dx721k2w =I1h0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 19: 7:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.ecs.net (ns.ecs.net [194.21.74.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4BD37B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vincent.goh@lonza.it) Received: from miexhub.milano.lonzagroup.net ([194.21.243.6]) by ns.ecs.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA27222 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by miexhub.milano.lonzagroup.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <349T54Z0>; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:12:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Goh Vincent - Singapore - LIA To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:06:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I bought the FreeBSD handbook recently,and found out that the CD didn't contain the file of install.bat how can i do it now. regards, vincent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 21:40:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4D237B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from knollmotel@charter.net) Received: from [24.240.178.81] (HELO Stanley) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 13807565 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:46:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c10b56$6b6ec8c0$0201a8c0@242401789.hsacorp.net> From: "Stanley W. Sabens II" To: Subject: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont & Would Like To Get Listed On Yahoo For The Public To Find Us Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:43:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B34.E140A680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B34.E140A680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Subj: The Knoll motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont=20 Date: 7/6/2001 6:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time=20 From: StansKnoll Motel=20 To: feedback5@thechamplainchannel.com=20 Subj: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont =20 Date: 7/5/2001 4:20:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time =20 From: StansKnoll Motel =20 To: Doc@FreeBSD.org =20 Subj: The Knoll Motel Is the First Motel In The State Of Vermont. = Date: 7/5/2001 3:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time =20 From: StansKnoll Motel =20 To: feedback5@thechamplainchannel.com Hello, The State of Vermont Legislature has given my parents a Joint = Resolution Honoring The 50th Anniversary Of The Knoll Motel Its No R-37 = . They are the First Motel in the State of Vermont and this should be = listed in the History books of Vermont. The state of Vermont's web = link is at http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2002/acts/ACTR037.HTM We = are on the Internet at www.KnollMotel.com & KnollMotel@Charter.net = & StansKnollMotel@AOL.com . The address is The Knoll Motel 1015 = North Main Street Barre, Vermont 05641-2519 Tel # 802-479-3648 = FAX # 802-479-0800 We would be appreciative if you can get this = known to the public in the history books, Internet documents ect... as = this is a bit of Vermont history. The Main Motel has been updated = for modern times but the shape of the building is the same as when = opened. I would also like to know what other First Business are still = operated and owned by the original owners in the State Of Vermont. = Thank-You, Stanley W. Sabens II ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B34.E140A680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Subj: The Knoll motel Is The First Motel In The State Of=20 Vermont
Date: 7/6/2001 6:08:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: StansKnoll Motel
To: feedback5@thechamplainc= hannel.com


Subj:     The Knoll Motel Is = The First=20 Motel In The State Of Vermont   
Date:     = 7/5/2001=20 4:20:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time   
From:     StansKnoll=20 Motel   =20
To:    Doc@FreeBSD.org   =20


Subj:     The Knoll Motel Is the First Motel In = The=20 State Of Vermont.   
Date:     7/5/2001 = 3:30:46 AM=20 Eastern Daylight Time   
From:     StansKnoll=20 Motel   
To:  =20  feedback5@thechamplainchannel.com


Hello, The =  State of=20 Vermont Legislature  has given my parents a Joint Resolution = Honoring The=20 50th Anniversary Of The Knoll Motel  Its No R-37 .   They = are the=20 First Motel in the State of Vermont and this should be listed in the = History=20 books of  Vermont.  The state of Vermont's web link is at=20   http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2002/acts/ACTR037.HTM=20    We are on the Internet at www.KnollMotel.com =   &=20   KnollMotel@Charter.net    &=20   StansKnollMotel@AOL.com .   The address is =   The=20 Knoll Motel   1015  North Main Street  Barre, = Vermont=20  05641-2519   Tel # 802-479-3648   FAX #=20  802-479-0800    We would be appreciative if you can = get=20 this known to the public in the history books, Internet documents ect... = as this=20 is a bit of Vermont history.   The Main Motel  has been = updated=20  for  modern times but the shape of the building is the same = as when=20 opened.   I would also like to know what other First Business = are=20 still operated and owned by the original owners in the State Of Vermont. =   Thank-You,  Stanley W. Sabens=20  II
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B34.E140A680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 21:46:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hkueee2.eee.hku.hk (hkueee2.eee.hku.hk [147.8.180.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6CE37B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from h9907237@eee.hku.hk) Received: from eee.hku.hk (dhcp-2048.eee.hku.hk [147.8.182.48]) by hkueee2.eee.hku.hk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6D4k7q07641 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:46:07 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3B4E7D2A.1040605@eee.hku.hk> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:46:34 +0800 From: Wing User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 Netscape6/6.1b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Lucent WaveLAN drivers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir, We're a research team in the Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering in the University of Hong Kong in Asia. We're doing a research project about WaveLAN. After installing FreeBSD 4.2, we found that the Lucent WaveLAN card and adapter cannot be detected and as a result the WaveLAN card cannot function properly. How should I configure it? What's wrong in my installation process? Could you give us a helping hand? Thanks! Regards, Wing To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 12 21:47:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD737B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from knollmotel@charter.net) Received: from [24.240.178.81] (HELO Stanley) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 12194255 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:54:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c10b57$71a23280$0201a8c0@242401789.hsacorp.net> From: "Stanley W. Sabens II" To: Subject: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont & Would Like To Be Listed In Yahoo Search Engine Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:51:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B35.E9488220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B35.E9488220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Subj: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont=20 Date: 7/6/2001 5:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time=20 From: StansKnoll Motel=20 To: mhill@dca.state.vt.us=20 Subj: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of Vermont =20 Date: 7/5/2001 4:20:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time =20 From: StansKnoll Motel =20 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subj: The Knoll Motel Is the First Motel In The State Of Vermont. = Date: 7/5/2001 3:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time =20 From: StansKnoll Motel =20 To: Icweb@loc.gov =20 =20 Hello, The State of Vermont Legislature has given my parents a Joint = Resolution Honoring The 50th Anniversary Of The Knoll Motel Its No R-37 = . They are the First Motel in the State of Vermont and this should be = listed in the History books of Vermont. The state of Vermont's web = link is at http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2002/acts/ACTR037.HTM We = are on the Internet at www.KnollMotel.com & KnollMotel@Charter.net = & StansKnollMotel@AOL.com . The address is The Knoll Motel 1015 = North Main Street Barre, Vermont 05641-2519 Tel # 802-479-3648 = FAX # 802-479-0800 We would be appreciative if you can get this = known to the public in the history books, Internet documents ect... as = this is a bit of Vermont history. The Main Motel has been updated = for modern times but the shape of the building is the same as when = opened. I would also like to know what other First Business are still = operated and owned by the original owners in the State Of Vermont. = Thank-You, Stanley W. Sabens II ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C10B35.E9488220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subj: The Knoll Motel Is The First Motel In The State Of=20 Vermont
Date: 7/6/2001 5:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: StansKnoll Motel
To: mhill@dca.state.vt.us


Subj:     The Knoll Motel Is = The First=20 Motel In The State Of Vermont   
Date:     = 7/5/2001=20 4:20:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time   
From:     StansKnoll=20 Motel   =20
To:    freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG

Subj: =  =20   The Knoll Motel Is the First Motel In The State Of = Vermont. =20  
Date:     7/5/2001 3:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight = Time =20  
From:     StansKnoll Motel    =
To:=20     Icweb@loc.gov   
    =


Hello,=20 The  State of Vermont Legislature  has given my parents a = Joint=20 Resolution Honoring The 50th Anniversary Of The Knoll Motel  Its No = R-37 .=20   They are the First Motel in the State of Vermont and this = should be=20 listed in the History books of  Vermont.  The state of = Vermont's web=20 link is at =   http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2002/acts/ACTR037.HTM=20    We are on the Internet at www.KnollMotel.com =   &=20   KnollMotel@Charter.net    &=20   StansKnollMotel@AOL.com .   The address is =   The=20 Knoll Motel   1015  North Main Street  Barre, = Vermont=20  05641-2519   Tel # 802-479-3648   FAX #=20  802-479-0800    We would be appreciative if you can = get=20 this known to the public in the history books, Internet documents ect... = as this=20 is a bit of Vermont history.   The Main Motel  has been = updated=20  for  modern times but the shape of the building is the same = as when=20 opened.   I would also like to know what other First Business = are=20 still operated and owned by the original owners in the State Of Vermont. =   Thank-You,  Stanley W. Sabens=20  II
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C10B5F.268DA420-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 2:24:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A239937B406; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from roam@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6D9HYS47772; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107130917.f6D9HYS47772@freefall.freebsd.org> To: roam@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] No man page for pfind() Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: roam Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jul 13 02:11:48 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I believe this to be a doc issue. The manpage does need some mdoc(7) corrections, like, for instance.. --- pfind.9.orig Fri Jul 13 12:17:00 2001 +++ pfind.9 Fri Jul 13 12:18:08 2001 @@ -37,11 +37,12 @@ .Fn pfind "pid_t" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Pp -pfind takes a pid as its argument and returns a pointer to the proc structure w h -o's PID is the pid -specified in the argument +.Nm +takes a pid as its argument and returns a pointer to the proc structure with +the specified process ID. .Sh RETURN VALUES -pfind returns a pointer to a proc structure on success and a NULL on failure. +.Nm +returns a pointer to a proc structure on success and a null pointer on failure. .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by -Evan Sarmiento. +.An Evan Sarmiento . Also, the comments in the audit trail about the actual content seem relevant. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28929 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 5:20:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09EB37B401; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6DCHmm33394; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:17:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:17:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , doc@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS-UP: doc build now depends on ports/graphics/peps (was Re: docs/28860: Adding anti-alising to png images) Message-ID: <20010713131748.H18498@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200107100432.f6A4Wxc01335@whizkidtech.net> <20010710145438.A296@whizkidtech.net> <20010712010810.K97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mhjHhnbe5PrRcwjY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712010810.K97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:08:10AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --mhjHhnbe5PrRcwjY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:08:10AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:54:38PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 11:32:59PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > .for _curimage in ${IMAGES_GEN_PNG} > > > ${_curimage}: ${_curimage:S/.png$/.eps/} > > >- eps2png -res ${EPS2PNG_RES} -output ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} > > >+ peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} > >=20 > > Oops, that last line should have been > >=20 > > + peps -r ${EPS2PNG_RES} -p -o ${.TARGET} ${.ALLSRC} > >=20 > > Note the "-p" please. >=20 > Works for me. No one else has commented, so I'll commit this in 12-24 > hours, along with the changes to textproc/docproj to adjust the > dependencies. Done. ports/textproc/docproj now depends on the ports/graphics/peps port, instead of ports/graphics/eps2png. I have adjusted doc.images.mk to suit, and made the necessary changes to the Handbook. Thanks, N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --mhjHhnbe5PrRcwjY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtO5usACgkQk6gHZCw343XLewCfemvPKjjZvNYUVsHxZwDjZn1+ zk0AmgJSImQBYW06ETccrOHOzdiFjMcg =tP8S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mhjHhnbe5PrRcwjY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 5:24:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FA537B401; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DCGwr83515; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107131216.f6DCGwr83515@freefall.freebsd.org> To: adam@whizkidtech.net, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28860: Adding anti-aliasing to PNG images created from EPS Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Adding anti-aliasing to PNG images created from EPS State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 13 05:16:50 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28860 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 5:50:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9FA37B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6DCLkg33454; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:21:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:21:46 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Andrew Boothman Cc: John Kozubik , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? Message-ID: <20010713132146.I18498@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3B4DCB94.1070501@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wZdghQXYJzyo6AGC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B4DCB94.1070501@cream.org>; from andrew@cream.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:08:52PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wZdghQXYJzyo6AGC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 05:08:52PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > John Kozubik wrote: >=20 >=20 > > and one very new one on building invisible firewalls with bridging and > > ipfw / IPSTEALTH: > >=20 > > http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt >=20 > I'm not really sure about the technical details, but this looks kinda=20 > similar to a document that I marked up a while ago, but never made it=20 > back into the document project. >=20 > It's still available though on=20 > http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~andrew/docproj/filtering-bridges/ <...> > I marked the document up almost a year ago, but never pursued having it= =20 > commited into the docs because I was busy with other stuff. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/i= ndex.html N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --wZdghQXYJzyo6AGC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtO59kACgkQk6gHZCw343W+JQCfbfg2NC79+cNtCsicH1BLZnx9 FBkAnAunsBxZe+MRhljcr7BzS5Ag4o5f =g1NU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wZdghQXYJzyo6AGC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 7:28: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.compton.net (ns2.compton.net [216.183.11.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFA037B401; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dregan@powergate.ca) Received: from regan (216-183-13-33.powergate.ca [216.183.13.33]) by ns2.compton.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31191; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <02b101c10ba7$99364840$210db7d8@compton.net> From: "Regan" To: Subject: #1 online shopping site!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_02A7_01C10B85.EC547B40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 7:30:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7037B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DEU3N06217; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107131430.f6DEU3N06217@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Evan Sarmiento Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Reply-To: Evan Sarmiento Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR misc/28929; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Evan Sarmiento To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie Cc: Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Hello, I have updated the pfind and zpfind manpage, hopefully, they are all correct now. .\" -*- nroff -*- .\" .\" Copyright (c) 2001 Evan Sarmiento .\" .\" All rights reserved. .\" .\" This program is free software. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without .\" modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions .\" are met: .\" 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. .\" 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the .\" documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. .\" .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES .\" OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. .\" IN NO EVENT SHALL THE DEVELOPERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, .\" INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT .\" NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, .\" DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY .\" THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT .\" (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF .\" THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. .\" .Dd July 11, 2001 .Os .Dt pfind 9 .Sh NAME .Nm pfind, zpfind .Nd returns pointer to a proc structure in argument .Sh SYNOPSIS .Fd #include .Ft struct proc * .Fn pfind "pid_t" .Ft static struct proc * .Fn zpfind "pid_t" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Pp .Fn pfind takes a pid as its argument and returns a pointer to the proc structure whose PID is specified in the argument. .Pp .Nm takes a pid as its argument. If zpfind finds a process whose pid is equal to that of argument and is a zombie process, zpfind returns a pointer to that proc structure. .Pp Both zpfind and pfind lock the proc structure that is returned using .Fn PROC_LOCK "p" .Sh RETURN VALUES .Nm and .Nm zpfind both return a pointer to a locked proc structure on success and a NULL on failure. .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by .An Evan Sarmiento . 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------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C10B86.26B369E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 7:50:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389C237B406 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DEo3409292; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107131450.f6DEo3409292@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28915: inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNEL config) Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28915; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Thierry Herbelot Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28915: inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNEL config) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:49:38 -0700 Thierry Herbelot writes: > >Description: > the man page for mkfifo(2) says : > -------------- > ERRORS > Mkfifo() will fail and no fifo will be created if: > > [ENOTSUP] The kernel has not been configured to support fifo's. > -------------- > > I do not see any FIFO config option in the LINT kernel config file, > thus the man page seems to be wrong : it is not possible to compile > a FreeBSD kernel without FIFO's Man pages for calls that are defined by some standard (in this case, by POSIX.2) should document all allowed error returns even if they aren't possible in FreeBSD today. This allows program authors to write portable code; portable not only across platforms, but across different versions of FreeBSD (who's to say there won't be a kernel option for this tomorrow?). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 7:50:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A87937B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DEo2p09284; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107131450.f6DEo2p09284@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Reply-To: Ruslan Ermilov Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR misc/28929; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Evan Sarmiento Cc: dmwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:46:57 +0300 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:04:22AM -0400, Evan Sarmiento wrote: > > Hello, > > I have edited the manpage a bit. And I also looked at the current source a bit, > it does lock the proc structure. Here is my updated manpage. > Here's the cleaned up version module one technical question. It is my understanding from reading the code that pfind() will only locate processes that are on the `allproc' list (i.e., either runnable or sleeping), but not if the process is on `zombproc' list. Right? The manpage is silent on this. Please also tell me your e-mail address (if desired) to be included into the manpage's AUTHORS section. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pfind.9" .\" Copyright (c) 2001 Evan Sarmiento. .\" All rights reserved. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without .\" modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions .\" are met: .\" 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. .\" 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the .\" documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. .\" .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND .\" ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE .\" ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE .\" FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL .\" DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS .\" OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) .\" HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT .\" LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY .\" OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF .\" SUCH DAMAGE. .\" .Dd July 11, 2001 .Os .Dt PFIND 9 .Sh NAME .Nm pfind , zpfind .Nd locate a process by number .Sh SYNOPSIS .In sys/proc.h .Ft "struct proc *" .Fn pfind "pid_t pid" .Ft "struct proc *" .Fn zpfind "pid_t pid" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Fn pfind takes a .Fa pid as its argument and returns a pointer to the .Vt proc structure whose PID is specified in the argument. .Pp .Fn zpfind takes a .Fa pid as its argument. If .Fn zpfind finds a process whose PID is equal to that of argument and is a zombie process, .Fn zpfind returns a pointer to that .Vt proc structure. .Pp Both .Fn pfind and .Fn zpfind lock the .Vt proc structure that is returned using .Fn PROC_LOCK "p" . .Sh RETURN VALUES .Fn pfind and .Fn zpfind return a pointer to a .Vt proc structure on success and a .Dv NULL on failure. .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by .An Evan Sarmiento . --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 8: 0:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB64337B406 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DF0Cf10505; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107131500.f6DF0Cf10505@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28916; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Alex Kapranoff Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, honig@sprynet.com Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:51:40 -0700 Alex Kapranoff writes: > >Description: > I added some content (mostly removing obsolete info and > providing additional links) along with converting the text to > DocBook. A review would be appreciated. Could you please (1) separate the content changes from the DocBook conversion, and (2) send this in the form of a diff against the old version. (1) because content changes must be separate from markup changes (if not for `cvs diff` convenience, for translators), and (2) because sharballs for files already in the repository aren't very convenient to work with. 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To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seems that when I try to search the mailing list archives, I get "nothing found." I have tried searching all lists for things like "boot" and "install," but still 'nothing found.' FYI. --Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <20010713185810.N7860@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010713163057.24181.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010713163057.24181.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>; from tperlin@yahoo.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:30:57AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Erlin said on Jul 13, 2001 at 09:30:57: > Seems that when I try to search the mailing list > archives, I get "nothing found." I have tried > searching all lists for things like "boot" and > "install," but still 'nothing found.' Follow-up: it seems to me that searching -questions is not working. Including -questions with other lists in a search of multiple lists doesn't work either. 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It will be invoked automatically at installation/deinstallation time to determine whether or not installation/deinstallation should proceed. + + The script will be run at installation time by + pkg_add as + pkg-req ${PKGNAME} INSTALL. + At deinstallation time it will be run by + pkg_delete as + pkg-req ${PKGNAME} DEINSTALL. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 13:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8B937B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6DKA2b58595; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107132010.f6DKA2b58595@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Evan Sarmiento Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Reply-To: Evan Sarmiento Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR misc/28929; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Evan Sarmiento To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, ru@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: misc/28929: [patch] No man page for pfind() Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Hello again, You're right about the allproc and zombproc thing. I've included them in the man page now. I've also included my email address at the bottom. Here is the diff. --- pfind Thu Jul 12 04:00:58 2001 +++ pfind.orig Thu Jul 12 04:05:15 2001 @@ -38,13 +38,9 @@ .Fn pfind takes a .Fa pid -has its argument and returns a pointer to the +as its argument and returns a pointer to the .Vt proc -structure whose PID is specified in the argument only if the -.Fa pid -is on the -.Vt allproc -list +structure whose PID is specified in the argument. .Pp .Fn zpfind takes a @@ -53,9 +49,7 @@ If .Fn zpfind finds a process whose PID is equal to that of argument -and is a zombie process, meaning that it must reside on the -.Vt zombproc .Pp .Fn zpfind takes a @@ -53,9 +49,7 @@ If .Fn zpfind finds a process whose PID is equal to that of argument -and is a zombie process, meaning that it must reside on the -.Vt zombproc -list +and is a zombie process, .Fn zpfind returns a pointer to that .Vt proc @@ -80,7 +74,8 @@ on failure. .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by -.An Evan Sarmiento (kaworu@sektor7.ath.cx) . +.An Evan Sarmiento . +--lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- Thank you, Evan Sarmiento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 14:52:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBCD37B405; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r5.bfm.org [216.127.220.101]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:58:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010712155430.00b77c20@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:54:30 -0500 To: Nik Clayton From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010712112942.U97290@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:29 2001-07-12 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: >I'm trying to avoid mandating any particular image editor if at all possible. Good! I have just spent 24 hours (except about 4 hours of sleep) trying to install dia. It has way too many dependencies. I finally came to a point where the make kept crashing at the same place, and I was forced to give up. I am currently downloading Lee's tgz files and will see if that helps. >I think it is worth trying to mandate a house style though. > >For example, take a look at > > http://ora-design.ora.com/illus_dept/!active.html > >and the various graphics there (for example, under "Server Load >Balancing"). It's clear they're all from the same source -- the >commonality of the icons, the width of lines, the size of arrowheads, the >fact that lines are shown with rounded corners instead of right angles, >the font used for text in the image, the dashed lines to show different >domains, It would be nice if, when you click on any of the "eps" links, you got the eps files. But they only give you a gif image. In other words, if you want to emulate them, someone will have to draw the icons first. >Dia, Kivio, xfig, Sketch, or some other tool. Perhaps we could even >have our own library of icons that can be used ("router", "host", >"network cloud", "printer", ...) that can be used when putting together >illustrations? As long as someone is willing to create it. :) Cheers, Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 14:52:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B11A37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:52:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r5.bfm.org [216.127.220.101]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:06:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010712160205.00b78210@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:02:05 -0500 To: "Romulus" <"Romulus" > From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Let me CLEAR this CRAP up once and for all!! Cc: In-Reply-To: <010e01c10aef$994f0a00$c450149a@romulus> References: <00d001c10ae9$aa80a5a0$c450149a@romulus> <20010712084548V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:27 2001-07-12 -0400, Romulus wrote: >Gentlemen, >Why are you bitching at me? Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" will provide the answer to that question. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 15:32:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A376237B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@coffee.q9media.com) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6DMmYu25349; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:48:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107132248.f6DMmYu25349@coffee.q9media.com> To: doc@FreeBSD.org From: Mike Barcroft Subject: Committer Guide Change [RFC] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would appreciate comments on the patch at the end of this message, also available at: http://testbed.q9media.net/freebsd/committers-guide.20010713.patch Best regards, Mike Barcroft ----------------------------------------------------------------------- committers-guide.20010713.patch o Document 'MFC after:' line in commit log. Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.77 diff -u -r1.77 article.sgml --- en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 2001/07/13 15:36:28 1.77 +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml 2001/07/13 22:20:11 @@ -2215,6 +2215,13 @@ The name of the project (if any) from which the code was obtained. + + + MFC after: + If you wish to receive an e-mail reminder to MFC (merge + from current) at a later date, specify the number of days, + weeks, or months after which a MFC is planned. + @@ -2272,13 +2279,33 @@ Obtained from: OpenBSD + + Commit log for a change to -CURRENT with a planned + commit to -STABLE to follow at a later date. + + You want to commit some code which will be merged + from -CURRENT into the -STABLE branch after two weeks. + + ... + +MFC after: 2 weeks + + Where 2 is the number of days, + weeks, or months after which a MFC is planned. The + weeks option may be day, days, week, + weeks, month, months, or may be left off (in which case, days + will be assumed). + + In some cases you may need to combine some of these. Consider the situation where a user has submitted a PR containing code from the NetBSD project. You are looking at the PR, but it's not an area of the tree you normally work in, so you've decided to get the change reviewed by the - arch mailing list. + arch mailing list. Since the change is + complex you opt to MFC after one month, to allow adequate + testing. The extra information to include in the commit would look something like @@ -2286,7 +2313,8 @@ PR: foo/54321 Submitted by: John Smith <John.Smith@example.com> Reviewed by: -arch -Obtained from: NetBSD +Obtained from: NetBSD +MFC after: 1 month To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 16:16:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4138437B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@potamus.org) Received: from chris ([24.250.134.165]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010713231608.DRSJ26599.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@chris> for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c10bf1$ea1800b0$a586fa18@chris> From: "Chris Peterson" To: Subject: FreeBSD Handbook bug: bad FTP URL? Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:16:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In section 4.3.1 (Installing a Package) of the FreeBSD Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.ht ml), it says that packages can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ports/packages. I couldn't find that directory. The correct location seems to be ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages. chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 18:31:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4431E37B409 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6E1Vlj34565 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:31:47 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: marking up keystrokes Message-ID: <20010713183147.E27674@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is no consistency to the way we currently mark up keystrokes in the documentation. A quick glance will find many different styles: 1. CTRL+P 2. CTRL-P 3. ctrl-p 4. Ctrl-P Sometimes these are wrapped in a , but usually not. O'Reilly's style guide dictates the last entry, The only book I've got on my desk at the moment seems to switch back and forth between #2 and #4. I think we should standardize with #4 but #2 isn't bad either. In any case, I think that we should introduce some entities to keep everything nice and easy and also allow us to give the correct markup emphasis to keystrokes. &key.enter; &key.ctrl.p; &key.ctrl.alt.del; &key.esc.p; Does anyone have any objections to me adding these to freebsd.ent and using them throughout the Handbook? Other ideas? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 18:49:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from stuart.microshaft.org (ns1.microshaft.org [208.201.249.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C594E37B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jono@stuart.microshaft.org) Received: (from jono@localhost) by stuart.microshaft.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26688 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jono) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:49:34 -0700 From: "Jon O ." To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New article on Firewall-1 and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010713184933.B26470@networkcommand.com> Reply-To: "jono@networkcommand.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: A friend and I have written an article outlining how to create a VPN between Checkpoint Firewall-1 and FreeBSD using Kame and racoon. I've converted the article to the standard FreeBSD html style for your review here: http://www.securityreports.com/vpn/index.html Please send me any feedback you have. Also, I have another article in the first stages outlining how to create a VPN between FreeBSD and Windows 2000. My understanding is that I should write any docs in SGML then use a tool to convert to HTML (the FreeBSD HTML style). Is this correct? The article listed above is in HTML using another FreeBSD article as an example. I suppose it can't be converted to SGML from HTML and I should have just written it in SGML first ;)??? Thanks, Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 20:10:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3942F37B405 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6E3A2O15995; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.tgd.net (rand.tgd.net [64.81.67.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA93237B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@rand.tgd.net) Received: (qmail 31796 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 03:05:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-067-239.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (64.81.67.239) by rand.tgd.net with QMQP; 14 Jul 2001 03:05:53 -0000 Message-Id: <20010714030548.72991.qmail@wheel.tgd.net> Date: 14 Jul 2001 03:05:48 -0000 From: Sean Chittenden Reply-To: Sean Chittenden To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: sean@chittenden.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28958 >Category: docs >Synopsis: nice(1) documentation incorrect >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jul 13 20:10:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sean Chittenden >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD wheel.tgd.net 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Wed Jul 11 12:12:05 PDT 2001 sean@wheel.tgd.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WHEEL i386 >Description: The nice(1) man page seems to give incorrect usage of the command. nice --20 doesn't yield a priority of -20 (gives error actually). nice -20 give a niceness of -20. >How-To-Repeat: nice --20 date >Fix: Negative numbers are expressed as -number. Positive numbers are expressed as +number (in Examples:) nice -16 date I'd like to also see an example of a nice +20 command.... nice +20 make Execute command `make` at priority +20 so that normal user operations aren't disturbed as much. Maybe the `make` command should be replaced with setiathome or rc5 just to drive the point home. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 20:29:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4455137B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GGG00NED1PD1X@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:29:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.4/8.9.3) id f6E3U4J09676 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:30:05 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:30:04 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Problem with (and solution for) CSS on www.FreeBSD.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010713223004.C5855@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline And I'm sure anybody else with an automated build similar to this will have such a problem. A new docbook.css should be copied into the object/current directory each time the document is built. The Handbook on http://www.FreeBSD.org/ is still using the nasty revision 1.1 of docbook.css, and should be replaced. Anybody have any comments on this patch? I'd like to commit it soon so we can get a decent-looking online Handbook. -- +-------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Jury: | | chris@calldei.com | Twelve people who determine which client | | | has the better lawyer. | +-------------------+------------------------------------------+ --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doc.docbook.mk.patch" Index: doc.docbook.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk,v retrieving revision 1.37 diff -u -r1.37 doc.docbook.mk --- doc.docbook.mk 2001/07/12 00:24:59 1.37 +++ doc.docbook.mk 2001/07/14 03:23:46 @@ -540,5 +540,12 @@ -p ${DESTDIR} ${PACKAGES}/${.CURDIR:T}.${LANGCODE}.${_curformat}.tgz .endfor +# +# Always consider the docbook.css target out-of-date, so the latest version +# of the stylesheet is always installed. +# + +.PHONY: docbook.css + docbook.css: cp ${CSS_SHEET} ${.CURDIR}/docbook.css --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 23:12:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B4637B405 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EFF3E2F; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: marking up keystrokes In-Reply-To: <20010713183147.E27674@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray.stokely@windriver.com on "Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:31:47 -0700" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:12:48 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010714061248.54EFF3E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely writes: > &key.enter; > &key.ctrl.p; > &key.ctrl.alt.del; > &key.esc.p; > > Does anyone have any objections to me adding these to freebsd.ent > and using them throughout the Handbook? Other ideas? Having an entity for every possible combination of - seems awfully wasteful. Perhaps something like this: &key.ctrl;P (note that 'P' isn't part of the entity) which would render as "Ctrl-P", or P It's reasonable to have entities for the exotic comobinations (e.g., &key.ctrl.alt.del;), but I think having one for every letter will be a maintenance headache. If you only add the ones you need now, non-committers will have trouble contrbuting something where they need an entity that doesn't exist. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org P.S. Thanks for all your recent work on consistency; it's making things look much better. Perhaps you can get one of your minions to work on making references to -stable and -current consistent, too, with the use of the &stable; and ¤t; entities :-). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 23:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F2037B405 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6E6K3641745; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107140620.f6E6K3641745@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28958; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Sean Chittenden Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:14:44 -0700 Sean Chittenden writes: Please wrap lines at 72 characters. Thanks. > >Description: > The nice(1) man page seems to give incorrect usage of the > command. nice --20 doesn't yield a priority of -20 (gives error > actually). nice -20 give a niceness of -20. I bet you're using csh, aren't you? csh has a 'nice' builtin with a completely differnet syntax than nice(1). If you want to use the latter's syntax (as properly described in its man page), you can reference it as `/usr/bin/nice`. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 13 23:30: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE2137B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6E6U1a42198; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107140630.f6E6U1a42198@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sean Chittenden Subject: Re: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Reply-To: Sean Chittenden Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28958; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sean Chittenden To: Dima Dorfman Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:21:49 -0700 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dough! Good call. I think it's time for a beer. Thanks. -sc > Sean Chittenden writes: >=20 > Please wrap lines at 72 characters. Thanks. >=20 > > >Description: > > The nice(1) man page seems to give incorrect usage of the > > command. nice --20 doesn't yield a priority of -20 (gives error > > actually). nice -20 give a niceness of -20. >=20 > I bet you're using csh, aren't you? csh has a 'nice' builtin with a > completely differnet syntax than nice(1). If you want to use the > latter's syntax (as properly described in its man page), you can > reference it as `/usr/bin/nice`. --=20 Sean Chittenden --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Sean Chittenden iEYEARECAAYFAjtP5P0ACgkQn09c7x7d+q21FACghsYXEeeCMmDlEOKuufdY2oq8 hPoAnA5TWtj6laOHukJ485/ATdqJN5ef =LtC6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 1:54:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56BB37B401; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6E8jFe54500; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:45:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107140845.f6E8jFe54500@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sean@chittenden.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28958: nice(1) documentation incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: nice(1) documentation incorrect State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 14 01:44:55 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Originator was not using nice(1). http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28958 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 3:20: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezwv.com (hermes.ezwv.com [208.163.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE66137B401; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt@ezwv.com) Received: from k6-2.weeble.com (ip206102032075.dlup.ezwv.com [206.102.32.75]) by mail.ezwv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA21546; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:19:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Randy Pratt To: Murray Stokely , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: State of the Handbook Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:21:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010710114034.E16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710135753.G16152@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010710092237.A42023@meow.osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: <20010710092237.A42023@meow.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01071406212202.04407@k6-2.weeble.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 10 July 2001 12:22, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 01:57:53PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > better than the outdated stuff we have! Unless somebody else (e.g., > > > Randy Pratt) wants to do this, I will (or I'll check in someone else's > > > patches to do it). > > > > Randy (and Murray) are working on it at the moment I believe. > > I think Randy could definitely use some help from Dima or anyone > else getting this finished. I'm not working on this at the moment. I've been making some progress in between summer travels. I'll be away until August 1 but have no travel planned after that. I've been working toward integrating my install docs into Section 2 of the handbook following the existing portion. I've not modified the existing portion yet and will pick up any new changes after I return. Anyone who is interested in helping with this would certainly be welcomed. Just drop me a email and I'll get back to you after Aug 1. Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 3:20:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A19037B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6E9xdO92957; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:59:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:59:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problem with (and solution for) CSS on www.FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20010714105939.E35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010713223004.C5855@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KlAEzMkarCnErv5Q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010713223004.C5855@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:30:04PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --KlAEzMkarCnErv5Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 10:30:04PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > And I'm sure anybody else with an automated build similar to > this will have such a problem. A new docbook.css should be > copied into the object/current directory each time the document > is built. The Handbook on http://www.FreeBSD.org/ is still using > the nasty revision 1.1 of docbook.css, and should be replaced. > Anybody have any comments on this patch? I'd like to commit it > soon so we can get a decent-looking online Handbook. > +# > +# Always consider the docbook.css target out-of-date, so the latest vers= ion > +# of the stylesheet is always installed. > +# > + > +.PHONY: docbook.css > + > docbook.css: > cp ${CSS_SHEET} ${.CURDIR}/docbook.css Could we not do docbook.css: ${CSS_SHEET} instead? That way, if you've got local modifications to the stylesheet in the current directory (perhaps you're testing something), they get blown away at the first opportunity. But the 'official' sheet will still be preferred if it's more up to date. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --KlAEzMkarCnErv5Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtQGAsACgkQk6gHZCw343WcYQCeMf672e0qZ5L7520jDfzKc3to HCkAnii4DA9iWzXC5sjIFrvtDQQC0Kiw =GCeP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KlAEzMkarCnErv5Q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 3:21: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B02B37B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6EA8QL92999; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:08:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:08:26 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: marking up keystrokes Message-ID: <20010714110826.F35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010713183147.E27674@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="udcq9yAoWb9A4FsZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010713183147.E27674@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray.stokely@windriver.com on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:31:47PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --udcq9yAoWb9A4FsZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:31:47PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > There is no consistency to the way we currently mark up keystrokes > in the documentation. A quick glance will find many different styles:=20 >=20 > 1. CTRL+P > 2. CTRL-P > 3. ctrl-p > 4. Ctrl-P >=20 > Sometimes these are wrapped in a , but usually not. > O'Reilly's style guide dictates the last entry, The only book I've > got on my desk at the moment seems to switch back and forth between #2 > and #4. Let the stylesheets do the work. The markup for something like that would be: CtrlP This is used all over the place in the FAQ (and should probably be documented in the Primer). Valid values for 'action' are: Click Double-Click Other Press Seq Simul More details at http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/keycombo.html > I think we should standardize with #4 but #2 isn't bad either. In > any case, I think that we should introduce some entities to keep > everything nice and easy and also allow us to give the correct > markup emphasis to keystrokes. >=20 > &key.enter; > &key.ctrl.p; > &key.ctrl.alt.del; > &key.esc.p; >=20 > Does anyone have any objections to me adding these to freebsd.ent > and using them throughout the Handbook? Other ideas? Entities for the various keys might be handy, but they'd really need to be written as &keycode.foo; (since DocBook also has a KeyCode element, with which it could get confused. Then the markup might become something like &keycap.ctrl;&keycap.p; which is a small improvement. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --udcq9yAoWb9A4FsZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtQGhoACgkQk6gHZCw343UD8wCfRCeYB03ZOzUuMI+ypdaOzC0U 7awAn1eoQUAB9wcy8YJR5PGKR1xWtoSG =BR/S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --udcq9yAoWb9A4FsZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 3:21:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D6637B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6EAGiP93021; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:16:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:16:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Jon O ." Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New article on Firewall-1 and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010714111644.G35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010713184933.B26470@networkcommand.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010713184933.B26470@networkcommand.com>; from jono@microshaft.org on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:49:34PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:49:34PM -0700, Jon O . wrote: > Hello: >=20 > A friend and I have written an article outlining how=20 > to create a VPN between Checkpoint Firewall-1 and FreeBSD=20 > using Kame and racoon. I've converted the article to the=20 > standard FreeBSD html style for your review here: >=20 > http://www.securityreports.com/vpn/index.html >=20 > Please send me any feedback you have.=20 Looks good. It's not an area I'm familiar with, so I can't say more than that :-) > Also, I have another article in the first stages outlining=20 > how to create a VPN between FreeBSD and Windows 2000.=20 > My understanding is that I should write any docs in SGML then > use a tool to convert to HTML (the FreeBSD HTML style).=20 > Is this correct?=20 Yes. By far the easiest way to do it is. 1. Install the docproj/ meta-port, as described in the Doc. Proj. Primer, at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-prime= r/ 2. Get a local copy of the FreeBSD doc/ tree. Either use CVSup in "checkout" mode to do this, or get a full copy of the CVS repository locally. If you have the CVS repository locally then as a minimum you will need to checkout the doc/share, doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share, and=20 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles directories. 3. Place your document in a subdirectory of the articles/ directory, (perhaps vpn-w2k/) call it article.sgml, and give it a Makefile (which you can copy from any of the other articles). 4. Edit away. 5. To convert your document from DocBook to another format simply do =20 make FORMAT=3Dfoo where 'foo' is one of html, html-split, txt, ps, pdf, rtf, or pdb. 6. Submit article.sgml using send-pr. > The article listed above is in HTML > using another FreeBSD article as an example. I suppose > it can't be converted to SGML from HTML=20 I think there are mechanical converters around, but they tend to work best on big documents -- the Firewall 1 article isn't too big, so doing it manually should probably only take about 30 minutes. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtQHAwACgkQk6gHZCw343WjFACfZyJezbZ/udM11CGgAf/Th0Xc DSwAnAgwJ2a/Hc4+UJ9/Ky3KpmndD3+j =j1+P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OFj+1YLvsEfSXdCH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 9:33:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAB437B401; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GGH00JD120GVQ@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:33:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.4/8.9.3) id f6EGYHh13274; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:34:17 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:34:16 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Problem with (and solution for) CSS on www.FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <20010714105939.E35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 10:59:39AM +0100 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010714113416.D5855@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010713223004.C5855@holly.calldei.com> <20010714105939.E35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, July 14, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > instead? That way, if you've got local modifications to the stylesheet > in the current directory (perhaps you're testing something), they get > blown away at the first opportunity. But the 'official' sheet will > still be preferred if it's more up to date. That's a good point. Shall I commit that? -- +-------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Never lick a gift horse in the mouth. | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 10:50:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4FA37B403; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6EHVqp94309; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:31:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:31:52 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with (and solution for) CSS on www.FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20010714183152.A94134@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010713223004.C5855@holly.calldei.com> <20010714105939.E35484@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010714113416.D5855@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010714113416.D5855@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 11:34:16AM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 11:34:16AM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > On Saturday, July 14, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > > instead? That way, if you've got local modifications to the stylesheet > > in the current directory (perhaps you're testing something), they get > > blown away at the first opportunity. But the 'official' sheet will > > still be preferred if it's more up to date. >=20 > That's a good point. Shall I commit that? Yep. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtQgggACgkQk6gHZCw343UEHgCfQP5p3PoHjQdLwa0x3SaJfFFJ 1gEAnAoZNhZG0euJtW09LTPJbxBxbevr =N20G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 12:47:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mark9.vladsempire.net (hutch-740.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D3B37B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpaetzel@hutchtel.net) Received: from mark9.vladsempire.net (mark9.vladsempire.net [10.0.0.97]) by mark9.vladsempire.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 915F830D; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:54:14 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_EABHVT71OKN5DLEV2RL5" From: Josh Paetzel To: "Chris Peterson" , Subject: Re: FreeBSD Handbook bug: bad FTP URL? Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:54:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000901c10bf1$ea1800b0$a586fa18@chris> In-Reply-To: <000901c10bf1$ea1800b0$a586fa18@chris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01071414541402.00430@mark9.vladsempire.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------Boundary-00=_EABHVT71OKN5DLEV2RL5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 13 July 2001 18:16, Chris Peterson wrote: > In section 4.3.1 (Installing a Package) of the FreeBSD Handbook > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.h >t ml), it says that packages can be found at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ports/packages. I couldn't find that directory. The > correct location seems to be > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages. > > > chris Fixed it. Here's a patch. 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I couldn't find that directory. The correct location seems to be ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages. >How-To-Repeat: Read the handbook. >Fix: I sent a patch to the -docs mailing list. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 13:26:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mark9.vladsempire.net (hutch-613.hutchtel.net [206.10.68.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E737337B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpaetzel@hutchtel.net) Received: from mark9.vladsempire.net (mark9.vladsempire.net [10.0.0.97]) by mark9.vladsempire.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F49D30A; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:33:18 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Josh Paetzel To: "Chris Peterson" , Subject: docs/28970 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:33:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000901c10bf1$ea1800b0$a586fa18@chris> <01071414541402.00430@mark9.vladsempire.net> In-Reply-To: <01071414541402.00430@mark9.vladsempire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01071415331803.00430@mark9.vladsempire.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 14 July 2001 14:54, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Friday 13 July 2001 18:16, Chris Peterson wrote: > > In section 4.3.1 (Installing a Package) of the FreeBSD Handbook > > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using > >.h t ml), it says that packages can be found at > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ports/packages. I couldn't find that directory. The > > correct location seems to be > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages. > > > > > > chris > > Fixed it. Here's a patch. > > Josh P. Here is a compilation of the patch and the pr. Josh ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="packages-using.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 15:21:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30B237B40C for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6EMLdS47519 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:21:39 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: "2.1. Synopsis" vs "2.1 Synopsis" Message-ID: <20010714152139.B47232@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know this is a minor nit, but the presence of a trailing period after the section number but before the section name was one of the things that first caught my eye about the 1st edition handbook. I have not been able to find a single technical publication that uses this standard except for the KDE User's Guide which also uses Norm's stylsheets. I would like to add the following change to the stylsheets so that our sections look like : Chapter 7 Users and Basic Account Management 7.1 Synopsis instead of Chapter 7. Users and Basic Account Management 7.1. Synopsis I'm not as worried about the "chapter" labels, since I'm working on another change that will make it look like : Chapter 7 Users and Basic Account Management (in different size fonts) However, I think the section labels look much better without the extra period. I'm perfectly happy keeping these changes in our local tree, but I want to push back as much as possible to the doc project. Thoughts? - Murray p.s. You will need a reasonably up to date version of the the dsssl stylesheets for this change to take effect. I'm not sure when the change was made but a year old dsssl-docbook-modular port won't work. Index: freebsd.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.35 diff -u -r1.35 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 2001/07/12 01:40:31 1.35 +++ freebsd.dsl 2001/07/14 22:06:48 @@ -392,6 +392,12 @@ (list (list (normalize "warning") ": ") (list (normalize "caution") ": ") + (list (normalize "chapter") " ") + (list (normalize "sect1") " ") + (list (normalize "sect2") " ") + (list (normalize "sect3") " ") + (list (normalize "sect4") " ") + (list (normalize "sect5") " ") )) -- - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 21:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327E737B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6F4o2p32575; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107150450.f6F4o2p32575@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28970: Handbook fix for section 4.3.1 Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28970; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Josh Paetzel Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28970: Handbook fix for section 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:46:42 -0700 Josh Paetzel writes: > >Fix: > I sent a patch to the -docs mailing list. I've fixed this. Next time, please include the patch in the PR; nobody wants to have to dig through deleted mail or the archives. Also, the HTML files on the web site are generated from SGML/DocBook files; it'd be nice if you could send patches against those instead. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 14 21:54:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD3937B403; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6F4krc32425; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107150446.f6F4krc32425@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jpaetzel@hutchtel.net, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28970: Handbook fix for section 4.3.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook fix for section 4.3.1 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Jul 14 21:46:45 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: applied, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28970 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message