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On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:15:39PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 04:13:09AM -0600, Joesh Juphland wrote:
> >=20
> > I cannot mount any of the NFS shares that I share from my server due to=
 a=20
> > problem with mountd and RPC.
> >=20
> > rc.conf looks like this:
> >=20
> > network_interfaces=3D"lo0"
> > removable_interfaces=3D"wi0"
> > nfs_server_enable=3D"YES"
> > nfs_server_flags=3D"-t -u -n 4"
> >
> > When I boot, mountd bombs out - log files show:
> >=20
> > mountd[119]: can't register mount
> >=20
> You wouldn't happen to have a portmap_enable=3D"NO" line in your rc.conf,
> would you?

portmap_enable=3D"NO" is the default on -stable.

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Matthew Emmerton wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This weekend I decided to do some assembly hacking on some object-only code
> that I've lost the C source for.  Since I haven't coded assembler for at
> least 8 years, and I threw my x86 assembly manuals out when I moved 6 months
> ago, there are a few things that are stumping me.
> 
> In particular, am I interpreting these instructions correctly?
> 
> 0x80839fb <uttstrbyt+43>:       movzbl (%edx,%eax,1),%eax
> 
> Takes %eax + %edx, obtains the byte value in memory at that address,
> zero-extends and places into %eax

Correct.
 
> 0x80839ff <uttstrbyt+47>:       movzwl 0xe90(%ebx,%eax,2),%edx
> 
> Takes %eax + %ebx + 0xe90, obtains the word value in memory at that address,
> zero-extends and places in %edx.

Here the correct address is %eax*2 + %ebx + 0xe90

-SB

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 07:08:58PM -0400, Matthew Emmerton wrote:
> In particular, am I interpreting these instructions correctly?
>=20
> 0x80839fb <uttstrbyt+43>:       movzbl (%edx,%eax,1),%eax
>=20
>=20
> Takes %eax + %edx, obtains the byte value in memory at that address,
> zero-extends and places into %eax
>=20
> 0x80839ff <uttstrbyt+47>:       movzwl 0xe90(%ebx,%eax,2),%edx
>=20
> Takes %eax + %ebx + 0xe90, obtains the word value in memory at that addre=
ss,
> zero-extends and places in %edx.

http://www.baldwin.cx/386htm/toc.htm

Specifically:

http://www.baldwin.cx/386htm/MOVZX.htm

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On 27-Oct-01 Matthew Emmerton wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This weekend I decided to do some assembly hacking on some object-only code
> that I've lost the C source for.  Since I haven't coded assembler for at
> least 8 years, and I threw my x86 assembly manuals out when I moved 6 months
> ago, there are a few things that are stumping me.
> 
> In particular, am I interpreting these instructions correctly?
> 
> 0x80839fb <uttstrbyt+43>:       movzbl (%edx,%eax,1),%eax
> 
> 
> Takes %eax + %edx, obtains the byte value in memory at that address,
> zero-extends and places into %eax
> 
> 0x80839ff <uttstrbyt+47>:       movzwl 0xe90(%ebx,%eax,2),%edx
> 
> Takes %eax + %ebx + 0xe90, obtains the word value in memory at that address,
> zero-extends and places in %edx.

Almost.  The '2' there is a multiplier on (I think) %eax, so it uses
'ebx + 2 * eax + 0xe90' for the memory address.  Either that or
'eax + 2 * ebx + 0xe90'.  Check the gas info page for the AT&T syntax to figure
out exactly which.  (Or use nasm's diassembler which turns out Intel format
asm.)  (ports/devel/nasm, ndisasm)

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Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> >Until newsyslog is fixed to not be able to stage a
> >denial of service attack against you, I really, really
> >recommend against its use.
> 
> Seems like it would be more user-friendly (to freebsd users
> in general) to fix newsyslog, instead of just telling people
> that they should not use it...  If people "just don't use"
> newsyslog, how does that guarantee that whatever they do
> use will not have the same problem that you described?

They will have to make their own solutions correct.

Every engineer is responsible for the correctness of their
code.  All I'[m saying here is that there is a known level
of incorrectness in newsyslog: use it at your peril.

If you want to fix it, I'm sure people would appreciate the
effort.

-- Terry

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[Posted to freebsd-questions will little result.  I figured I'd
 give -hackers a try before I give up and copy the output by hand.]

Can anyone suggest a means by which to capture the 'boot -v'
output without using a serial console?  I'm stuck without any
serial ports on my notebook.

-- 
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Hi,

Is there currently a way (sysctl, patch?) to disable dynamic route
addition? We have a few very busy web servers here, and we're running in
to a bug in FreeBSD 4.2 (which is related to a bug in previous versions of
FreeBSD - the one that's fixed by lowering net.inet.ip.rtexpire to 10 from
3600) where the dynamic route table grows but never flushes completely.
Here it is just as it hit the buffer space limit, according to vmstat -m:

Memory statistics by type                          Type  Kern
        Type  InUse MemUse HighUse  Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s)
     routetbl608495 85570K  85570K 85570K 51402924    0     0
16,32,64,128,256

The sister server (round robin) is pretty high as well:

     routetbl280443 39437K  39443K 85570K 37217727    0     0
16,32,64,128,256

Also, if this happens again, what additional information could I grab so I
or others could (hopefully) successfully find the bug?


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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 02:08:08PM -0500, Jon Parise wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a means by which to capture the 'boot -v'
> output without using a serial console?

dmesg(8), so long as it doesn't overrun the buffer.

-current is also writing boot messages to syslog presumably with the
facility of kern.*.

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:39:34PM -0800, Seth Kingsley wrote:

> > Can anyone suggest a means by which to capture the 'boot -v'
> > output without using a serial console?
> 
> dmesg(8), so long as it doesn't overrun the buffer.
> 
> -current is also writing boot messages to syslog presumably with the
> facility of kern.*.

Ah, I should have been more specific.

The machine is unable to boot, so I need to the 'boot -v' output
to diagnose that problem first.  It's a chicken-and-egg scenario.

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, David Kirchner wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there currently a way (sysctl, patch?) to disable dynamic route
> addition? We have a few very busy web servers here, and we're running in
> to a bug in FreeBSD 4.2 (which is related to a bug in previous versions of
> FreeBSD - the one that's fixed by lowering net.inet.ip.rtexpire to 10 from
> 3600) where the dynamic route table grows but never flushes completely.
> Here it is just as it hit the buffer space limit, according to vmstat -m:
>
> Memory statistics by type                          Type  Kern
>         Type  InUse MemUse HighUse  Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s)
>      routetbl608495 85570K  85570K 85570K 51402924    0     0
> 16,32,64,128,256
>
> The sister server (round robin) is pretty high as well:
>
>      routetbl280443 39437K  39443K 85570K 37217727    0     0
> 16,32,64,128,256
>
> Also, if this happens again, what additional information could I grab so I
> or others could (hopefully) successfully find the bug?

Many dynamic route related changes have been made since 4.2, your bug may
already be fixed.  You should invest time in transitioning to 4.4.

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 11:47:16AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there currently a way (sysctl, patch?) to disable dynamic route

I asume your "dynamic" routes are simple redirects.
sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.drop_redirect=1
or in /etc/rc.conf:
icmp_drop_redirect="YES"

Or get a better routing table in the first place.

> addition? We have a few very busy web servers here, and we're running in
> to a bug in FreeBSD 4.2 (which is related to a bug in previous versions of
> FreeBSD - the one that's fixed by lowering net.inet.ip.rtexpire to 10 from
> 3600) where the dynamic route table grows but never flushes completely.
> Here it is just as it hit the buffer space limit, according to vmstat -m:

What does netstat tells you about the expire time for these routes?
How are they flagged?

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 04:01:00PM -0500, Jon Parise wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 12:39:34PM -0800, Seth Kingsley wrote:
> 
> > > Can anyone suggest a means by which to capture the 'boot -v'
> > > output without using a serial console?
> > 
> > dmesg(8), so long as it doesn't overrun the buffer.
> > 
> > -current is also writing boot messages to syslog presumably with the
> > facility of kern.*.
> 
> Ah, I should have been more specific.
> 
> The machine is unable to boot, so I need to the 'boot -v' output
> to diagnose that problem first.  It's a chicken-and-egg scenario.

If you have an IR interface which you can set to IRDA1 FreeBSD will
see it a normal seriel interface.

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 09:21:33AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> Almost.  The '2' there is a multiplier on (I think) %eax, so it uses
> 'ebx + 2 * eax + 0xe90' for the memory address.  Either that or 'eax +
> 2 * ebx + 0xe90'.  Check the gas info page for the AT&T syntax to
> figure out exactly which.  (Or use nasm's diassembler which turns out
> Intel format asm.)  (ports/devel/nasm, ndisasm)

BTW, Gas now supports Intel syntax.
 
	* doc/c-i386.texi (i386-Arch): New section.
	(i386-Syntax): Mention .intel_syntax and .att_syntax.

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On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Mike Barcroft wrote:
> Just to clarify.  This is still a POLA violation.  If a log file is
> pulled out from underneath syslogd(8), one wouldn't expect it to start
> logging again, even if the file was re-created.

I disagree, if the file was re-created.

Actually, I find it weird and counter intuitive that syslogd will not
log to the files in the config file (/etc/syslog.conf) unless they
already exists.  It really feels like we are living with a programming
bug 25 years later....

If I didn't want syslogd to log something, I would not have it in
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Any idea why when I insert a breakpoint I get a
SIGTRAP 
and can't continue any further? Is this a bug in the 
FreeBSD distribution's gdb? I don't see this behavior
on any other platform that I am using. (Linux/
Solaris/ 
OSF1)

I am only seeing on this particular application. The
binary is 60MB dynamically linked (its 200MB on 
Solaris) it is linked against libc_r but I am
currently
running it single threaded.

Any thoughts on correcting this would be much 
appreciated.

This is 4.4-STABLE Cvsupped 2 weeks ago.
		

%r gdb maytag.Rd
GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
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Public License, and you are
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under certain conditions.
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warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
(gdb) b pf_open
Breakpoint 1 at 0x804c6ae: file
../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c, line 204.
(gdb) r -zqp1
Starting program:
/amd/ayr/vol/users2/home/kmacy/kmacy8/maytag.Rd -zqp1
No boot-time filesystem
(/u/kmacy/p4/ontap/control4/prod/build/bfs.Rd) found.
Using ethaddr 00:01:00:00:05:e3
Mon Oct 29 02:16:34 GMT [main_proc:info]: EMS engine
initialized
My sysid = 0x1
Partner sysid = 0x0
Mon Oct 29 02:16:34 GMT [main_proc:notice]: ,tapes not
found: skipping tape simulator initialization.
floppy boot? y
/etc/modules/sample.mod : can't open : Device not
configured

NetApp Release
/amd/raiders/vol/data2/build/scratch/kmacy/control4.561.295_22_34_40:
Sun Oct 28 17:56:19 PST 2001
Copyright (c) 1992-2001 Network Appliance, Inc.
Starting boot on Mon Oct 29 02:16:34 GMT 2001
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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40
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DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v0.6 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.16 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.0 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.1 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.11 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.12 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.14 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.4 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.6 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.8 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.10 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.2 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.5 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.13 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.17 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.9 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.3 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.18 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.19 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.20 setting FC mode to
40
DBG:disk_mode_sense_fc_page: v1.21 setting FC mode to
40

Breakpoint 1, pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0
"", valid_addrs=0x29957090) at
../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) n

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint
trap.
pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0 "",
valid_addrs=0x29957090) at ../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) n

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint
trap.
pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0 "",
valid_addrs=0x29957090) at ../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) s
0x28f66150 in _thread_sys_sigprocmask () from
/usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
(gdb) bt
#0  0x28f66150 in _thread_sys_sigprocmask () from
/usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#1  0x28f2dd4d in _thread_kern_scheduler () from
/usr/lib/libc_r.so.4
#2  0x0 in ?? ()
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint
trap.
pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0 "",
valid_addrs=0x29957090) at ../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) c
Continuing.

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint
trap.
pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0 "",
valid_addrs=0x29957090) at ../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) c
Continuing.
Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint
trap.
pf_open (unit=0x0, ethaddrs=0x299570b0 "",
valid_addrs=0x29957090) at ../sim/freebsd/pf/pf.c:204
204             int n = 0;
(gdb) exit
Undefined command: "exit".  Try "help".
(gdb) quit


               -Kip

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David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> writes:
> Actually, I find it weird and counter intuitive that syslogd will not
> log to the files in the config file (/etc/syslog.conf) unless they
> already exists.  It really feels like we are living with a programming
> bug 25 years later....
> 
> If I didn't want syslogd to log something, I would not have it in
> syslog.conf.

syslog.conf would require fields for user:group and permissions in
order for that to work, otherwise syslogd would have no idea how you
want your log files created.

Best regards,
Mike Barcroft

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Mike Silbersack wrote:
> > Also, if this happens again, what additional information could I grab so I
> > or others could (hopefully) successfully find the bug?
> 
> Many dynamic route related changes have been made since 4.2, your bug may
> already be fixed.  You should invest time in transitioning to 4.4.

THere's an interesting bug that appears to still be present
in 4.4, where if you create an IPSEC VPN, a ping to the
other end of the tunnel gets there, comes all the way back,
but is dropped by the local machine, if the dfefault route is
the machine hosting the tunnel.

If you remove the default route, and add a static route to
the other end of the tunnel, pointing through the gateway
host, there is no problem.

Note that leaving a static route while having a default route
still fails.

The tcpdump on the pinging host sees the packet back, but the
network stack of the host does not.

Can't tell you if this is a problem in the gateway host doing
a rewrite when it shouldn't, and the receiving host dropping
it, or the receiving host being too picky about the source of
the next hop for the echo reply...

If you want reproduction direction, I might be able to wrangle
them out of someone, but you will need at least 4 machines to
run them.

-- Terry

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David O'Brien wrote:
> Actually, I find it weird and counter intuitive that syslogd will not
> log to the files in the config file (/etc/syslog.conf) unless they
> already exists.  It really feels like we are living with a programming
> bug 25 years later....
> 
> If I didn't want syslogd to log something, I would not have it in
> syslog.conf.

The intents is to have the switchover be atomic, in that the
messages are not split in the middle of a line between files,
and in that the switchover can not result in the loss of any
messages.

By using the rename/create/signal approach, syslogd is
guaranteed to log new messages to the old file, despite the
rename, until signalled to close and reopen the file (or a
new file of another name, if syslog.conf is changed).

If it created the file itself, there would be a potential
race issue that would remain unresolved, which is hidden by
the seperation of the create and the subsequent signal.

Personally, I think that changing the syslogd is at most a
harmless thing, and at worst, something that can be safely
ignored, so I view the proposed change as nothing more than
someone making work for themselves.

The _useful_ thing to do would be to roll the newsyslog
functionality into syslogd; however, as a .conf file that
is expected to be distributed over NIS, I think that doing
the syntax change is probably a bad idea...

-- Terry

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Hello!

Really  micro  patch :-) fixing odd behavior (well, in fact, I deem an
error)  of  FreeBSD'  ip_icmp.c.  You  might  observe  this  bug doing
traceroute  while  standing  behind  a  GW's  interface  with  several
IP-addresses  (aliases).  In  this  case  you always got ICMP.TIMXCEED
(time  exceeded)  coming  from  IP-address  which  is the first on the
interface,  even  if  your  box  is  not  using this IP-address as its
next-hop.  Despite  of  the  code  selecting right IP-address for this
purpose  is  working  well it's being confused by wrong argument it is
being given. This patch

        http://www.morning.ru/~poige/patchzone/ip_icmp.c.diff

fixes namely this problem.

P.S. It seems the same problem belongs to OpenBSD and, may be, for all
*BSD derivatives.

P.P.S. the PR is already sent, now waiting...

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 07:40:34PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> By using the rename/create/signal approach, syslogd is
> guaranteed to log new messages to the old file, despite the
> rename, until signalled to close and reopen the file (or a
> new file of another name, if syslog.conf is changed).
> 
> If it created the file itself, there would be a potential
> race issue that would remain unresolved, which is hidden by
> the seperation of the create and the subsequent signal.

Come again?

1. syslogd calls open(2) with O_CREAT.  At this point syslogd happily
   keeps the file open and writes to it.
2. I rename the file.  As we all know, syslogd keeps writing to its open
   file.
3. syslogd is HUP'ed, goto #1.

No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
file.

-- 
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Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from 
Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts 
to test features of applications written for BSD?
Thanks.

-- 
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* Thomas S. Greenwalt <tomg@trancer.com> [011028 23:04] wrote:
> Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from 
> Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts 
> to test features of applications written for BSD?
> Thanks.

There's a tool called 'expect' you can probably find in the ports.

There's a been a couple of books about it published.

-- 
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 start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
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DejaGNU is a testsuite around expect and tcl/tk that is more of a test
suite builder.

There's also something called TET from OpenGroup
(http://www.opengroup.org) which some people think
highly of (I'm just now familiarizing myself with
it)

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

> * Thomas S. Greenwalt <tomg@trancer.com> [011028 23:04] wrote:
> > Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from
> > Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts
> > to test features of applications written for BSD?
> > Thanks.
>
> There's a tool called 'expect' you can probably find in the ports.
>
> There's a been a couple of books about it published.
>
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> 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology,"
>  start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
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I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
around we go.

I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.

Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.


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* Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org> [011029 00:43] wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
> which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
> loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
> around we go.
> 
> I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
> safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
> link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
> need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
> and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.

Where do you see mem* calling printf?

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* Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> [011029 00:53] wrote:
> * Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org> [011029 00:43] wrote:
> > 
> > I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
> > which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
> > loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
> > around we go.
> > 
> > I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
> > safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
> > link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.
> > 
> > Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
> > need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
> > and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.
> 
> Where do you see mem* calling printf?

Uh, nevermind. :)

Ok, what you want to do is use a nested flag in memcpy so you
don't recurse, there's some code in libc that's conditionally
compiled when compiling libc_r, _THREAD_SAFE or something is
defined, once you find that then just simply use the global
for non threaded programs and keys for threaded ones.

best of luck,
-- 
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 start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
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"David O'Brien" wrote:
| On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 07:40:34PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
| > By using the rename/create/signal approach, syslogd is
| > guaranteed to log new messages to the old file, despite the
| > rename, until signalled to close and reopen the file (or a
| > new file of another name, if syslog.conf is changed).
| > 
| > If it created the file itself, there would be a potential
| > race issue that would remain unresolved, which is hidden by
| > the seperation of the create and the subsequent signal.
| 
| Come again?
| 
| 1. syslogd calls open(2) with O_CREAT.  At this point syslogd happily
|    keeps the file open and writes to it.
| 2. I rename the file.  As we all know, syslogd keeps writing to its open
|    file.
| 3. syslogd is HUP'ed, goto #1.
| 
| No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
| Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
| file.

Here's a proposal to cope with that.  Add an optional sub-field
to any action field in syslog.conf that begins with a slash,
perhaps in the form `:0640:root:wheel'.

If the syslog.conf file has this thing on the pathname, add
O_CREAT to the open(2), and set the permissions and ownership as
specified.  If any of the three parts is missing, don't whine,
but process the other parts.

If the optional sub-field is completely missing (or has bad
elements), stick to the old behaviour.

This handles POLA, as older syslog.conf files will produce the
same results as always; while those who read the additional
comments in the new files can implement the new behaviour.

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On 29-Oct-01 David O'Brien wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 09:21:33AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
>> Almost.  The '2' there is a multiplier on (I think) %eax, so it uses
>> 'ebx + 2 * eax + 0xe90' for the memory address.  Either that or 'eax +
>> 2 * ebx + 0xe90'.  Check the gas info page for the AT&T syntax to
>> figure out exactly which.  (Or use nasm's diassembler which turns out
>> Intel format asm.)  (ports/devel/nasm, ndisasm)
> 
> BTW, Gas now supports Intel syntax.
>  
>       * doc/c-i386.texi (i386-Arch): New section.
>       (i386-Syntax): Mention .intel_syntax and .att_syntax.

But does objdump -d? :)

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 05:58:22PM +1000, Greg Black wrote:
> Here's a proposal to cope with that.  Add an optional sub-field
> to any action field in syslog.conf that begins with a slash,
> perhaps in the form `:0640:root:wheel'.

FWIW, we have a format like this in inetd.conf for unix domain
sockets. You can prefix sockets with :user:group:mode:. If someone
impliments something like this it would probably make sense to make
then the same.

	David.

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> e" writes:
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> >> We are using from 1993 Fiskars UPS 0.8 A UPS unit
> 
> Fiskars is part of Invensys/Powercom these days.

Together with a co-worker we reverse-engineered the protocols for ca. 6
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	marjan.mihelin@kclj.si, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Fiskars UPS 
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In message <3BDD4040.474429BE@webgiro.com>, Andrzej Bialecki writes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> 
>> In message <200110270910.f9R9AD328192@jhs.muc.de>, "Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs.muc.d
>> e" writes:
>> >"doc. dr. Marjan Mihelin, dipl. ing." wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >> We are using from 1993 Fiskars UPS 0.8 A UPS unit
>> 
>> Fiskars is part of Invensys/Powercom these days.
>
>Together with a co-worker we reverse-engineered the protocols for ca. 6
>different types of Fiskars UPSes - all of them used different packet
>formats, even different speeds and parity (!). We couldn't get any docs
>from them to help us, only a lousy Win* program... Keep that in mind the
>next time you go shopping for a UPS.

Yeah, you can't even trust their SNMP interface to get it right :-(

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org> [011029 00:43] wrote:
> > I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
> > which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
> > loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
> > around we go.
> >
> > I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
> > safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
> > link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.
> >
> > Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
> > need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
> > and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.
>
> Where do you see mem* calling printf?

that's in my wrapper around memcpy.


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On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> [011029 00:53] wrote:
> > * Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org> [011029 00:43] wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
> > > which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
> > > loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
> > > around we go.
> > >
> > > I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
> > > safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
> > > link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
> > > need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
> > > and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.
> >
> > Where do you see mem* calling printf?
>
> Uh, nevermind. :)
>
> Ok, what you want to do is use a nested flag in memcpy so you
> don't recurse, there's some code in libc that's conditionally
> compiled when compiling libc_r, _THREAD_SAFE or something is
> defined, once you find that then just simply use the global
> for non threaded programs and keys for threaded ones.

you mean like localtime.c:

#ifdef _THREAD_SAFE
        pthread_mutex_lock(&lcl_mutex);
#endif

and such?

problem is that i could do that if i was dropping it into libc itself, but
as a single .so that i want to LD_PRELOAD, i need a run-time conditional
rather than a precompiler conditional.  i think i may be asking for a
lot...


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In message <20011029023746.94559.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com>, k Macy writes:
>Any idea why when I insert a breakpoint I get a
>SIGTRAP 
>and can't continue any further? Is this a bug in the 

I've seen this on applications that use SIGIO on stdin. If this is the
case, a workaround is to disable the SIGIO signal while using the
debugger, e.g:

	(gdb) set $oldsigio = signal(23, (void *)1)

The signal handler can be put back later with:

	call signal(23, (void *)$oldsigio)

Ian

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > * Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> [011029 00:53] wrote:
> > > * Lamont Granquist <lamont@scriptkiddie.org> [011029 00:43] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to figure out the best way to write a wrapper around memcpy()
> > > > which can call fprintf() without winding up getting into a recursive
> > > > loop.  The problem is that fprintf() will call memcpy() and around and
> > > > around we go.
> > > >
> > > > I can use a global variable to prevent this, but that usage isn't thread
> > > > safe.  I can make it thread safe by using pthread keys, but then i have to
> > > > link in libc_r, and for non-pthreaded programs i don't want to do that.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have any suggestions?  Right now I'm almost thinking that I just
> > > > need to directly patch libc and libc_r.  It might be an ugly patch though,
> > > > and I'd rather not have this patch mandate recompiling all of libc.
> > >
> > > Where do you see mem* calling printf?
> >
> > Uh, nevermind. :)
> >
> > Ok, what you want to do is use a nested flag in memcpy so you
> > don't recurse, there's some code in libc that's conditionally
> > compiled when compiling libc_r, _THREAD_SAFE or something is
> > defined, once you find that then just simply use the global
> > for non threaded programs and keys for threaded ones.
> 
> you mean like localtime.c:
> 
> #ifdef _THREAD_SAFE
>         pthread_mutex_lock(&lcl_mutex);
> #endif
> 
> and such?

The _THREAD_SAFE macro has gone away anyways (in -current), and we 
(FreeBSD) shouldn't be conditionally compiling code in libc dependent
on whether libc_r is being built or not.  And I wouldn't recommend it
for user libraries either.

Take a look at how libgcc works (src/contrib/gcc.295/gthr-posix.h).

In your application library, make wrapper functions for whatever
thread routines you need to use in a threaded application.  Then
make weak _references_ to the actual (non-wrapped) pthread
routines.  So you'd have something like:

	/* File mylib_threads.c */
	#pragma weak pthread_mutex_lock
	#pragma weak pthread_mutex_unlock
	#pragma weak pthread_key_create
	#pragma weak pthread_key_delete
	#pragma weak pthread_once
	[add any others you might need]
	#pragma weak pthread_create

	static void app_is_threaded = &pthread_create;

	int mylib_is_threaded(void)
	{
		return (app_is_threaded != NULL);
	}

	int mylib_pthread_mutex_lock(pthread_mutex_t *mutex)
	{
		if (mylib_is_threaded())
			return (pthread_mutex_lock(mutex);
		else
			return (0);
	}

	...

By making the references to pthread_* weak, the linker will not
barf if libc_r isn't linked in, and all references will be NULL.
If the application is threaded (libc_r is linked in), then those
references will be resolved.

Make sure the weak pragmas are localized to the file that actually
implements the wrapper functions.  You don't want them visible to
other files that directly use pthreads.

-- 
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Hi There,

[posted to -questions some time back]

I'm trying to get the power monitoring functions of this motherboard going
and have run into some problems.

I've found this doesnt seem to be supported at all in 4.4 but have found
some code on http://people.freebsd.org/~nsouch/iicbus.html and attempted to
patch it.  Problem here with the diffs is they are out of sync with the
4.4-STABLE
tree.

Could anyone provide any help with getting this code either working or
provide any advice on the next steps.

Thanks in advance,

Si.

The diag info's.

FreeBSD breakbeat.inner-city.org.uk 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Tue
Oct
9 19:26:34 BST 2001
bill@breakbeat.inner-city.org.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BREAKBEAT  i386

FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Tue Oct  9 19:26:34 BST 2001
    bill@breakbeat.inner-city.org.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BREAKBEAT
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (267.27-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x650  Stepping = 0

Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
real memory  = 184483840 (180160K bytes)
avail memory = 175304704 (171196K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0413000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
pcib1: <VIA 82C598MVP (Apollo MVP3) PCI-PCI (AGP) bridge> at device 1.0 on
pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1
pci1: <ATI Mach64-GB graphics accelerator> at 0.0 irq 10
isab0: <VIA 82C596B PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <VIA 82C596 ATA66 controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on
pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
uhci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xdf00-0xdf1f irq 9 at device 7.2 on
pci0
usb0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ichsmb0: <SMBus controller> at device 7.3 on pci0
device_probe_and_attach: ichsmb0 attach returned 6

[snipped rest]

--
Simon Griffiths
Systems Administrator - Clay Cross Building Society
Tel:+44(0)1246 862120 - Fax: +44(0)1246 250397
--
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David O'Brien wrote:
> > If it created the file itself, there would be a potential
> > race issue that would remain unresolved, which is hidden by
> > the seperation of the create and the subsequent signal.
> 
> Come again?
> 
> 1. syslogd calls open(2) with O_CREAT.  At this point syslogd happily
>    keeps the file open and writes to it.
> 2. I rename the file.  As we all know, syslogd keeps writing to its open
>    file.
> 3. syslogd is HUP'ed, goto #1.
> 
> No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
> Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
> file.

Think multiple instances of syslogd.

Mike's justification was also my justification; you'd have to
change the configuration file format to get the same values.

If syslogd is running as someone capable of opening files in
a directory also does not necessarily imply the ability to
create the file (otherwise you'd be able to dismiss Mike's
objection with an fstat() after the hup, followed by the
create using the same properties -- so Mike's objection is
more subtle than it first appears, as well).

-- Terry

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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> * Thomas S. Greenwalt <tomg@trancer.com> [011028 23:04] wrote:
> > Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from
> > Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts
> > to test features of applications written for BSD?
> > Thanks.
> 
> There's a tool called 'expect' you can probably find in the ports.
> 
> There's a been a couple of books about it published.

Look also for "TET" and "ETET".  SVVS (the System V Verification
Suite, used for testing SVID compliance) uses TET.

-- Terry

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
> > Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
> > file.
> 
> Think multiple instances of syslogd.

You are going to have to help me out a little bit more -- I can think of
no problems with what I proposed vs. the existing way.  Both have a race
of which daemon opens the file first.
 
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Hello,

i really have no clue if i should mail this to you guys, but we've found some issue's in de jail's /proc. We were able to find information about processes running outside the jail, or running in other jails.
eg. when i run sshd in the host system, and it has PID 655, i can login on the jail, and by execution "ls -l /proc/665/file" i can see what binary is running on pid 655. So any user of the jail system can see what processes you run on that server. I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE on a i386. 

greetz,

Pieter Danhieux

Proof of concept shellscript:

#!/bin/sh
_COUNT=0;
while [ $_COUNT -le 65000 ];
do
if [ -f /proc/$_COUNT/file ];
then
 _USER=`/bin/ls -l /proc/$_COUNT/file | cut -d" " -f4`; 
 _PROC=`/bin/ls -l /proc/$_COUNT/file | cut -d" " -f14`;
echo "PID= $_TELLER     USER= $_USER    PROC= $_PROC";
fi
_COUNT=`expr $_COUNT + 1`;
done

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David O'Brien wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
> > > Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
> > > file.
> >
> > Think multiple instances of syslogd.
> 
> You are going to have to help me out a little bit more -- I can think of
> no problems with what I proposed vs. the existing way.  Both have a race
> of which daemon opens the file first.

Not if you don't use O_CREAT; then they don't.

-- Terry

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On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 07:40:34PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> The _useful_ thing to do would be to roll the newsyslog
> functionality into syslogd; however, as a .conf file that
> is expected to be distributed over NIS, I think that doing
> the syntax change is probably a bad idea...

After seeing all the mess here, I'll make a recomendation.  Perhaps
it's time to write a whole new tool that combines syslogd and
newsyslog and some other functionality all in one place, and fixes
all of the issues that have been put forth here.  Since it's a new
tool, it can start from a clean slate, and needs no compatability
features.  Both can be included for a suitable transition period,
and eventually syslogd could die.

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 01:16:29PM -0500, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 07:40:34PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > The _useful_ thing to do would be to roll the newsyslog
> > functionality into syslogd; however, as a .conf file that
> > is expected to be distributed over NIS, I think that doing
> > the syntax change is probably a bad idea...
> 
> After seeing all the mess here, I'll make a recomendation.  Perhaps
> it's time to write a whole new tool that combines syslogd and
> newsyslog and some other functionality all in one place, and fixes
> all of the issues that have been put forth here.  Since it's a new
> tool, it can start from a clean slate, and needs no compatability
> features.  Both can be included for a suitable transition period,
> and eventually syslogd could die.

I've been thinking for some time about a tool that gathers log lines
like syslogd, then passes them to DJB's multilog (part of the daemontools
package, http://cr.yp.to/daemontools).  multilog already can rotate logs,
limit both the total size and each individual file's size, log various
messages to various locations; it also does all of this in real time,
so it is not subject to DoS's between two rotations.

I'll try to get around to writing the syslogd-like message gathering
thing sometime soon..

G'luck,
Peter

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 09:42:19AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> David O'Brien wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > > No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
> > > > Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
> > > > file.
> > >
> > > Think multiple instances of syslogd.
> > 
> > You are going to have to help me out a little bit more -- I can think of
> > no problems with what I proposed vs. the existing way.  Both have a race
> > of which daemon opens the file first.
> 
> Not if you don't use O_CREAT; then they don't.

Why not?  If the file exists and I start up two syslogd's, there is a
race of which one open's the file first.  If I start up two syslogd's and
the file does not exist and then I touch the file.  There will be a race
if I ``kill -HUP <pid #1> <pid #2>''.  If I take care to HUP only one
syslogd, move the file to the side, touch the file again and HUP the
second syslogd there is no race.  I can similarly take this amount of
care with the way I would like syslogd to work such that there is no
race.
 
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Darren Reed wrote:

>In some email I received from Arjan de Vet, sie wrote:
>> I wrote similar patches (see http://home.iae.nl/users/devet/freebsd/)
>> trying to fix more or less the same bugs/problems.
>> 
>> Maybe it's a good idea if Giorgos and I together come up with 1 'big'
>> ipfilter /etc/rc.* and rc.conf.5 patch which includes the best parts of
>> both our patches?
>
>That sounds like a good plan.

OK, updated patches for stable and current are available from:

	http://home.iae.nl/users/devet/freebsd/

I include the README here:

	This is joint work with Giorgos Keramidas.

	Patches to fix and cleanup ipfilter/ipnat code in the /etc/rc.*
	framework both for -current and -stable, including an update to
	the rc.conf(5) manual page. Note that for stable 'ipfs' should
	be MFC'ed first!

	Overview of problems fixed:

	- ipmon(8) is started before loading any filter/NAT rules;

	- ipmon(8) and ipfs(8) do not solely depend on ipfilter_enable
	  anymore, they now also work when only ipnat_enable is true;

	- the multiple occurrences of code loading the ipfilter kernel
	  module have been removed;

	- the options have been removed from the _program variables in
	  defaults/rc.conf and the comments in that file have been
	  updated to reflect (possibly new) reality;

	- the rc.conf.5 manual page has been updated to reflect the
	  changes.

	After this patch has been applied the following ipfilter related
	PRs can be closed:

	kern/25344
	conf/26275
	bin/27016
	conf/31482

	conf/25223
	conf/25809

Darren: please wait for the comments of Doug Barton before committing,
he wants to review the patch for possible rc.* style issues first.

Arjan

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David O'Brien wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 12:26:22AM -0400, Mike Barcroft wrote:
> > Just to clarify.  This is still a POLA violation.  If a log file is
> > pulled out from underneath syslogd(8), one wouldn't expect it to start
> > logging again, even if the file was re-created.
> 
> I disagree, if the file was re-created.
> 
> Actually, I find it weird and counter intuitive that syslogd will not
> log to the files in the config file (/etc/syslog.conf) unless they
> already exists.  It really feels like we are living with a programming
> bug 25 years later....
> 
> If I didn't want syslogd to log something, I would not have it in
> syslog.conf.

This has bitten a number of support people - a server fills up and they
get a bit too loose with the "rm" command and logging stops.

I actually somewhat understand why syslogd does not open/create the file
using the current syslog.conf syntax - it is hard to descript user/group
ownership and access rights in the syslog.conf.  The thing that syslogd
does is write to the file that already exists such that the access rights
can be controlled externally to the syslogd process.

I really hate this and wish I could change this without suddenly causing
all of us old-timers to surprised.

For me I see two different POLA issues:

	1)  For those who have already understood and used syslog for
	    a long time - syslogd does not create a file...

	2)  For those who have not had much time with syslog - it is
	    rather upsetting to have configured syslog.conf and you
	    either HUP or reboot and yet the logging does not start.

As the world of FreeBSD (and other syslog systems) increases, the
ratio of people is catagory #2 vs #1 will continue to increase.  (Most
people do not spend much time playing with syslogd)

-- 
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* Michael Sinz <msinz@wgate.com> [011029 14:07] wrote:
> 
> This has bitten a number of support people - a server fills up and they
> get a bit too loose with the "rm" command and logging stops.
> 
> I actually somewhat understand why syslogd does not open/create the file
> using the current syslog.conf syntax - it is hard to descript user/group
> ownership and access rights in the syslog.conf.  The thing that syslogd
> does is write to the file that already exists such that the access rights
> can be controlled externally to the syslogd process.
> 

I'm jumping in having only paid cursory attention to the current
thread so my apologies if this makes little sense.

Why not add a flag or something to syslog or newsyslog which somehow
evaluates the space available and/or creates the new files.  We
could switch the system defaults via src/etc/defaults to advise
the use of this flag in 4.x and actually default to it in 5.x.

I guess this would have to address the permissions problem, perhaps
there's some way of addiding additional fields to syslog.conf?

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 start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
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SIGIO is used, but only for AIO and at this point no 
aio_* calls have been made. 

The loop for reading from STDIN may be a problem but I
don't see how - this same loop is used without
problems 
on Linux, OSF, and Solaris (although on Linux if you 
press Ctrl-C in gdb it often won't let you continue):

int 
sim_getc(char *cp)
{
        int r;


        sk_wait_for_fd(0);

        r = read(0, cp, 1);

        if (r <= 0) {
                dbg_printf("pccons_getchar: read
failed: %s\n", error_msg());
                sk_panic("pccons_getchar: failed read
on stdin");
        }

        return r;
}

sk_wait_for_fd is just:
void sk_wait_for_fd(int fd)
{
    int slot;
    sk_Msg *msg;
    if (sk_poll_one_fd(fd)>0) {
        /* fd is already ready */
        return;
    }
    slot = sk_add_poll_fd(fd);
    if(slot < 0)
        return;
    do {
        msg = sk_receive();
        if((msg->type == SK_SIGNAL_MSG) &&
(msg->data.l == HARD_SIG_00010))
            break;

    } while (1);
    sk_remove_poll_fd(slot);
}

beneath this it just uses poll

--- Ian Dowse <iedowse@maths.tcd.ie> wrote:
> In message
>
<20011029023746.94559.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com>,
> k Macy writes:
> >Any idea why when I insert a breakpoint I get a
> >SIGTRAP 
> >and can't continue any further? Is this a bug in
> the 
> 
> I've seen this on applications that use SIGIO on
> stdin. If this is the
> case, a workaround is to disable the SIGIO signal
> while using the
> debugger, e.g:
> 
> 	(gdb) set $oldsigio = signal(23, (void *)1)
> 
> The signal handler can be put back later with:
> 
> 	call signal(23, (void *)$oldsigio)
> 
> Ian


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Hi!

Forgive me if i overlooked documentation and sources, but i can't find any
references on subject. Could somebody shed light if i need to lock vnode
or not to call bread()?

Thanks!


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Thanks!

Precisely what I was looking for.  I coded up the routines today and they
seem to work fine.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Daniel Eischen wrote:
> The _THREAD_SAFE macro has gone away anyways (in -current), and we
> (FreeBSD) shouldn't be conditionally compiling code in libc dependent
> on whether libc_r is being built or not.  And I wouldn't recommend it
> for user libraries either.
>
> Take a look at how libgcc works (src/contrib/gcc.295/gthr-posix.h).
[...snip...]


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JFYI, Brett Halle (the director of CoreOS engineering for Apple) and I
will be speaking at the NLUUG's Autumn Conference in Ede, The Netherlands
on November 8th and then travelling on to BSDCon Europe in Brighton, UK
immediately thereafter (the 9th) and staying in the UK until November 14th.

If anyone's interested in meeting up with us, that's where we'll be!

- Jordan

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 05:53:05PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> If anyone's interested in meeting up with us, that's where we'll be!

Visit Oxford!  We have old stuff!

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:18:47AM +0000, George Reid wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 05:53:05PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > If anyone's interested in meeting up with us, that's where we'll be!
> 
> Visit Oxford!  We have old stuff!

Most of Europe is old stuff, some much older than Oxford. Oxford does have
some top notch pubs and great beer.


Josef

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From: kjerste soderberg <kjerstes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Panic w/ bqrelse: multiple ref .. we thought fixed a year ago
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Hello

Sorry to be cross posting it here BUT we did post this
to questions w/o any resolution or responses. well
actually we did get 1 response fr Kirk I think telling
us that this should not be happening in the 4.X
series.

Everyone pls take a look at this, as it is certainly a
strange 1.  We're also starting to suspect maybe a h/w
type of defect as this machine is startting to reboot
itself, yep it reboots ITSELF!!, when we load it up w/
tasks that bring the CPU utilization to 95%+,
(ACTUALLY ALL THESE 6 machines we use for stats apps
that really hammer the CPU ) The machine's mem chip
maybe? or mobo???

Pls answer to me as I'm not subscribed to this list.

Prev posted in questions:
We are having a big problem  
running FreeBSD 4.3-REL
1.4GHz AMD w/ 512MB RAM (single chip) w/ ABIT KT7A
mobo w/ the VIA 133A chipset.

and we are seeing 
 "bqrelse: multiple refs" problem.
 The panic then the dump, syncing disks..  
We thought this was fixed over a year ago in vfs_bio.c

This problem occured most recently when I exit'ed
a remote ssh session.
The exit took several seconds, and caused me to
believe something was wrong.  I  then logged back in,
and sure enough, we had a 'sh.core' dump
file (of zero size) and my running jobs had died. 
(The machine dumped.)

Later, I could not get in at all, (of course the
machine was dead at that point)  and the other 6
machines doing NFS writes failed as well. 

NFS structure IS:
This machine with this problem, call it PRIME1, 
NFS serves 6 other FBSD4.3 machines as clients. They
ALL mount PRIME1's /mnt/public and all
6 write into this directory with their own files.
SO we made this an NFS client ONLY, that's when it
started rebooting itself instead of giving us the
bqrelse mesg and staying at the dead console window.
The NFS server is now an older slower 4.2-REL machine
that doesn't do ANYTHING except serve NFS whereas this
machine WAS serving NFS AND doing some intensive
computing @same time, BTW all 6 of these machines w/
this stats app bring the CPU utilization to 95%+ for
12 hrs routinely.

So, this morning, searching the net, we found
several references (fr July 2000) to
"bqrelse" but none of the references seemed to
assert that the fix was such-and-such.  Does a fix
exist?  By the way, I maintain multiple FreeBSD
4.3-REL boxes and am doing lot's of NFS activity, in
addition to my
occasional SSH login.

I am willing to reconfig the kernel & make queue's
larger, change parameters or whatever else it takes to
make this work.

Pls help us.


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Subject: Re: C++ code in the FreeBSD kernel 
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In message <70E7B42B-C8CE-11D5-ACE1-003065675568@panasas.com> Denis Serenyi writes:
: Has anyone out there tried to get C++ code running in the freebsd kernel 
: (like as a .ko)?

Yes.  In fact, it used to work OK if you don't do exceptions.  But
there are some issues with the newer compilers I've never bothered to
track down.

Warner

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To: "Dr. Lorenzo Iania" <l.iania@sintesi.net>
Subject: Re: 4.4 boot question 
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In message <006f01c15d7c$1e995e20$0500000a@LORENZO> "Dr. Lorenzo Iania" writes:
: pci_cfgintr_search: linked (41) to configured irq 0 at 0:2:0

I have a patch for this:

Index: pci.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /cache/ncvs/src/sys/pci/Attic/pci.c,v
retrieving revision 1.141.2.10
diff -u -r1.141.2.10 pci.c
--- pci.c	2001/08/21 17:21:13	1.141.2.10
+++ pci.c	2001/08/27 07:01:38
@@ -1610,7 +1610,8 @@
 		 * If device doesn't have an interrupt routed, and is
 		 * deserving of an interrupt, try to assign it one.
 		 */
-		if ((type == SYS_RES_IRQ) && (cfg->intline == 255) &&
+		if ((type == SYS_RES_IRQ) &&
+		    (cfg->intline == 255 || cfg->intline == 0) &&
 		    (cfg->intpin != 0) && (start == 0) && (end == ~0UL)) {
 			cfg->intline = pci_cfgintr(pci_get_bus(child),
 			    pci_get_slot(child), cfg->intpin);

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In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110301439250.1884-100000@gardafou.k-net.eu.org> Jean-Francois Dive writes:
: I beleive that something to do as well is to remove the RTTI support from
: the compilation ...

Yes.  I also think that the default turned on exceptions, which caused 
some issues.  There were also a few headers I had to patch to make
them more properly type safe for C++.  Plus maybe a few things I'm
forgetting.

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In message <F39DyseVwrblZz02H6700000076@hotmail.com> "Joesh Juphland" writes:
: 2. Somehow, some way, in upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 on this laptop, I have 
: developed irq conflicts - maybe 4.4 just arranges things differently.

:-)  We now share interrupts for pccard.

: The end result ?  ep0 works, on irq 3, and ep1 bombs out with the infamous 
: "No card in database for "(null)"("(null)")

That's the real problem.  We're not able to read in the CIS.  Can you
send me a boot -v ?

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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 05:53:05PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> JFYI, Brett Halle (the director of CoreOS engineering for Apple) and I
> will be speaking at the NLUUG's Autumn Conference in Ede, The Netherlands
> on November 8th and then travelling on to BSDCon Europe in Brighton, UK
> immediately thereafter (the 9th) and staying in the UK until November 14th.

<JOKE> To be exact, the subject should say "... in the Netherlands and the
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I posted some of this info last friday but haven't had
any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
what the problem is.  Here's the details:

I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.  
The problem I'm having now is when I follow Alfred's
directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R) It
bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need to
stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
directory and tell the machine to execute this by
specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
configuration.  I also understand that I have to
create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it.  Can
someone verify if this is the case?
Alfred's instructions can be found here:
http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/

This is the console output that insues when I try and
build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:

"
auadwesm1203280# make
===> ficl
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/ficl
===> i386
===> i386/mbr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/mbr
===> i386/boot0
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0
===> i386/kgzldr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/kgzld
r
===> i386/btx
===> i386/btx/btx
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/b
tx
===> i386/btx/btxldr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/b
txldr
===> i386/btx/lib
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/l
ib
===> i386/boot2
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2
===> i386/libi386
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi3
86
cc -O -pipe 
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../common
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i
386/libi386/../btx/lib 
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../.. -I.
-DCOMPORT=
0x3f8 -DCOMSPEED=9600
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../../../lib/libstand/
 -DTERM_EMU -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  -c pxe.c -o
pxe.o
pxe.c:41: net.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:42: netif.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:43: nfsv2.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:44: iodesc.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:46: bootp.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:84: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:84: warning: its scope is only this definition
or declaration, which is pr
obably not what you want.
pxe.c:85: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:86: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:88: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:89: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:90: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:100: elements of array `pxe_ifs' have incomplete
type
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: invalid use of undefined type `struct
netif_stats'
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:103: invalid use of undefined type `struct
netif_dif'
pxe.c:105: variable-size type declared outside of any
function
pxe.c:107: variable `pxenetif' has initializer but
incomplete type
pxe.c:108: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:108: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:109: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:109: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:110: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:110: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:111: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:111: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:112: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:112: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:113: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:113: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:114: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:114: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:115: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:115: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:117: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:117: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c: In function `pxe_open':
pxe.c:256: `FNAME_SIZE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:256: (Each undeclared identifier is reported
only once
pxe.c:256: for each function it appears in.)
pxe.c:276: `rootip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:283: `BOOTP_PXE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:286: `rootpath' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:301: `gateip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:303: `myip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:303: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without
 a cast
pxe.c:304: `netmask' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:304: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without
 a cast
pxe.c:305: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without
 a cast
pxe.c:310: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without
 a cast
pxe.c: In function `pxe_close':
pxe.c:339: `rootpath' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:413: `NFS_FHSIZE' undeclared here (not in a
function)
pxe.c: In function `pxe_setnfshandle':
pxe.c:423: `NFS_FHSIZE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:423: size of array `buf' has non-integer type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:490: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:491: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_match'
pxe.c:84: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_match'
pxe.c:497: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:498: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_probe'
pxe.c:85: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_probe'
pxe.c:516: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:517: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_end'
pxe.c:90: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_end'
pxe.c:528: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_init'
pxe.c:86: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_init'
pxe.c: In function `pxe_netif_init':
pxe.c:531: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:532: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:537: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_get'
pxe.c:88: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_get'
pxe.c:543: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_put'
pxe.c:89: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_put'
pxe.c: In function `sendudp':
pxe.c:553: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:554: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:555: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:560: `netmask' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:560: `myip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:560: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:563: `gateip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c: In function `readudp':
pxe.c:589: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:590: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:105: storage size of `pxe_st' isn't known
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot.
auadwesm1203280# make
===> ficl
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/ficl
===> i386
===> i386/mbr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/mbr
===> i386/boot0
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0
===> i386/kgzldr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr
===> i386/btx
===> i386/btx/btx
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/btx
===> i386/btx/btxldr
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/btxldr
===> i386/btx/lib
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/btx/lib
===> i386/boot2
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2
===> i386/libi386
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386
cc -O -pipe 
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../common
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi38
6/../btx/lib 
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../.. -I.
-DCOMPORT=0x3f8 -DCOMSPEED=960
0
-I/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386/../../../../lib/libstand/
-DTERM_EMU -mpreferred-stack-
boundary=2  -c pxe.c -o pxe.o
pxe.c:41: net.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:42: netif.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:43: nfsv2.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:44: iodesc.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:46: bootp.h: No such file or directory
pxe.c:84: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:84: warning: its scope is only this definition
or declaration, which is probably not
 what you want.
pxe.c:85: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:86: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:88: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:89: warning: `struct iodesc' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:90: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:100: elements of array `pxe_ifs' have incomplete
type
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: invalid use of undefined type `struct
netif_stats'
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:102: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:102: warning: (near initialization for
`pxe_ifs[0]')
pxe.c:103: invalid use of undefined type `struct
netif_dif'
pxe.c:105: variable-size type declared outside of any
function
pxe.c:107: variable `pxenetif' has initializer but
incomplete type
pxe.c:108: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:108: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:109: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:109: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:110: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:110: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:111: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:111: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:112: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:112: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:113: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:113: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:114: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:114: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:115: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:115: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c:117: warning: excess elements in struct
initializer
pxe.c:117: warning: (near initialization for
`pxenetif')
pxe.c: In function `pxe_open':
pxe.c:256: `FNAME_SIZE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:256: (Each undeclared identifier is reported
only once
pxe.c:256: for each function it appears in.)
pxe.c:276: `rootip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:283: `BOOTP_PXE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:286: `rootpath' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:301: `gateip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:303: `myip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:303: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without a cast
pxe.c:304: `netmask' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:304: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without a cast
pxe.c:305: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without a cast
pxe.c:310: warning: passing arg 2 of `setenv' makes
pointer from integer without a cast
pxe.c: In function `pxe_close':
pxe.c:339: `rootpath' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:413: `NFS_FHSIZE' undeclared here (not in a
function)
pxe.c: In function `pxe_setnfshandle':
pxe.c:423: `NFS_FHSIZE' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:423: size of array `buf' has non-integer type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:490: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:491: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_match'
pxe.c:84: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_match'
pxe.c:497: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:498: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_probe'
pxe.c:85: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_probe'
pxe.c:516: warning: `struct netif' declared inside
parameter list
pxe.c:517: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_end'
pxe.c:90: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_end'
pxe.c:528: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_init'
pxe.c:86: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_init'
pxe.c: In function `pxe_netif_init':
pxe.c:531: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:532: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:537: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_get'
pxe.c:88: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_get'
pxe.c:543: conflicting types for `pxe_netif_put'
pxe.c:89: previous declaration of `pxe_netif_put'
pxe.c: In function `sendudp':
pxe.c:553: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:554: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:555: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:560: `netmask' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:560: `myip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c:560: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:563: `gateip' undeclared (first use in this
function)
pxe.c: In function `readudp':
pxe.c:589: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c:590: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
pxe.c: At top level:
pxe.c:105: storage size of `pxe_st' isn't known
*** Error code 1
 
Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/libi386.
*** Error code 1
 
Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386.
*** Error code 1
 
Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot.
"


Can someone show me how to build pxeldr using 4.4R or
is it stuffed on 4.4R?  Alternatively could someone
send me a working version of pxeldr so that I can try
this out?

Help greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Paul



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On 30-Oct-01 Paul Jansen wrote:
> I posted some of this info last friday but haven't had
> any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
> what the problem is.  Here's the details:
> 
> I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
> FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.  
> The problem I'm having now is when I follow Alfred's
> directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R) It
> bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need to
> stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
> directory and tell the machine to execute this by
> specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
> configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it.  Can
> someone verify if this is the case?
> Alfred's instructions can be found here:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/
> 
> This is the console output that insues when I try and
> build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:

You need pxeboot (not pxeldr, pxeldr is part of pxeboot).  Do you have the
sources for libstand (src/lib/libstand) installed?

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Le Mardi 30 Octobre 2001 14:30, vous avez écrit :
> I posted some of this info last friday but haven't had
> any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
> what the problem is.  Here's the details:
>
> I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
> FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.
> The problem I'm having now is when I follow Alfred's
> directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R) It
> bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need to
> stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
> directory and tell the machine to execute this by
> specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
> configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it.  Can
> someone verify if this is the case?
> Alfred's instructions can be found here:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/
>
> This is the console output that insues when I try and
> build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:
>


You can find pxeboot (instead of pxeldr) if /boot.
Just copy it into /tftpboot, and add the following in the dhcpd config file 
(for isc-dhcp version 3):

option space PXE;
option PXE.mtftp-ip    code 1 = ip-address;
option PXE.mtftp-cport code 2 = unsigned integer 16;
option PXE.mtftp-sport code 3 = unsigned integer 16;
option PXE.mtftp-tmout code 4 = unsigned integer 8;
option PXE.mtftp-delay code 5 = unsigned integer 8;

class "pxeclients" {
        match if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = 
"PXEClient";
        option vendor-class-identifier "PXEClient";
        option PXE.mtftp-ip 0.0.0.0;
        vendor-option-space PXE;
        next-server X.X.X.X;
        server-name "X.X.X.X";
        server-identifier X.X.X.X;
 
        option root-path "/path/to/FreeBSD/CDROM";
 
        filename "pxeboot";
}

where X.X.X.X is the IP address of the tftp boot server.

Henri.

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I be stumped:  

newsfeed-inn# uname -a
FreeBSD newsfeed-inn.meganews.com 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Mon Oct 29 15:08:57 PST 2001     root@newsfeed-inn.meganews.com:/n/FreeBSD/RELENG_4-2001-10-29/src/sys/compile/NEWSFEED-INN  i386

Diskcontroller is a 3ware 7800, with 4 maxtor 20GB IDE's on it, which have all been scanned 1x
with the maxblast software for a quick verification.

newsfeed-inn# disklabel -r twed0
# /dev/twed0c:
type: ESDI
disk: twed0s1
label: 
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 255
sectors/cylinder: 16065
cylinders: 2490
sectors/unit: 40017852
rpm: 3600
interleave: 1
trackskew: 0
cylinderskew: 0
headswitch: 0           # milliseconds
track-to-track seek: 0  # milliseconds
drivedata: 0 

8 partitions:
#        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
  c: 40017852        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 2490*)
  d: 40016828     1024     vinum                        # (Cyl.    0*- 2490*)

newsfeed-inn# cat /root/vinum.config
drive d1 device /dev/twed0d

newsfeed-inn# vinum
vinum -> create -f /root/vinum.config
   1: drive d1 device /dev/twed0d
** 1 Can't initialize drive d1: Operation not supported by device
0 drives:
0 volumes:
0 plexes:
0 subdisks:
vinum -> quit

It gets weirder:
newsfeed-inn# newfs -v /dev/twed0d
newfs: /dev/twed0d: `d' partition is unavailable
newsfeed-inn# newfs -v /dev/twed0c
newfs: /dev/twed0c: `c' partition is unavailable
newsfeed-inn# newfs /dev/twed0c
Warning: Block size and bytes per inode restrict cylinders per group to 22.
Warning: 68 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated
/dev/twed0c:    40017852 sectors in 9770 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors
        19540.0MB in 445 cyl groups (22 c/g, 44.00MB/g, 10944 i/g)
super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at:
 32, 90144, 180256, 270368, 360480, 450592, 540704,^C
newsfeed-inn# newfs /dev/twed0d
Warning: Block size and bytes per inode restrict cylinders per group to 22.
Warning: 1092 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated
/dev/twed0d:    40016828 sectors in 9770 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors
        19539.5MB in 445 cyl groups (22 c/g, 44.00MB/g, 10944 i/g)
super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at:
 32, 90144, 180256, 270368, 360480, 450592, 540704,^C
(A little surprised that newfs will newfs a non 4.2BSD/UFS labeled volume, but oh well).

So I can newfs it, but I can't vinum it.

I've tried zeroing out the label, and using sysinstall to put on the disklabel's,
and using just disklabel -w -r auto.  Can't get it to work.

Note that if I uncomment d1-d4, they all fail in the same way.

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* Paul Jansen <vlaero@yahoo.com.au> [011030 08:31] wrote:
> I posted some of this info last friday but haven't had
> any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
> what the problem is.  Here's the details:
> 
> I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
> FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.  
> The problem I'm having now is when I follow Alfred's
> directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R) It
> bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need to
> stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
> directory and tell the machine to execute this by
> specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
> configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it.  Can
> someone verify if this is the case?
> Alfred's instructions can be found here:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/
> 
> This is the console output that insues when I try and
> build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:

[snip]

I'm not seeing this problem when I build from a full copy of
the source tree.  Perhaps you only have a subset?

I also moved my obdir out of the way (mv /usr/obj /usr/obj.tmp)
and did a "make clean" before "make".

good luck,
-Alfred

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To: "Jose M. Alcaide" <jose@we.lc.ehu.es>
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Subject: Re: I will be in Europe and the UK from Nov 5th through Nov 14th.
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:05:40PM +0100, Jose M. Alcaide wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 05:53:05PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > JFYI, Brett Halle (the director of CoreOS engineering for Apple) and I
> > will be speaking at the NLUUG's Autumn Conference in Ede, The Netherlands
> > on November 8th and then travelling on to BSDCon Europe in Brighton, UK
> > immediately thereafter (the 9th) and staying in the UK until November 14th.
> 
> <JOKE> To be exact, the subject should say "... in the Netherlands and the
> UK..." since the UK is a part of Europe. Or, even better, "in the
> Continent and the UK" :-) :-) </JOKE>

I grant you that most of .nl is below sealevel, but we are _on_ the
Continent :) 

[back to our regular scheduled time_t bikeshed now]

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The typical solution is to create a pipe, and write a byte to it in order
to wake up the manager thread.

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Hi,
I have enclosed a short piece of code that seems to
reproduce the problem after 5 to 10 minutes.
I am running 4.3 freebsd off the release cd's.
Pretty much the generic kernel except for the
addition of dummynet and ipfw.  My platform
is a dell dimension 4100 with 1ghz p3, though
I doubt that is relevant.  To reproduce the problem,
compile and run the enclosed code in one window.
In another window su to root and run "ping -s 1024 -f 127.0.42.1".
As you will see, the code reports the gowing byte count as one
would expect.  Walk away for 5 to 10 minutes and when you come
back you should see the state I'm talking about. The flood ping stream
is still
running but the pipe is no longer counting bytes, it reports zero.  If
you kill the ping and restart it, the pipe again sees it.
Can someone tell why this is happening and how to avoid it ?

Thanks,
Rick

----------------------cut--------------------------------------------

main() {
        int  i;

restart:
   system("ifconfig lo0 -alias 127.0.42.1");
   system("ifconfig lo0 alias 127.0.42.1 netmask 255.255.255.0");
   system("ipfw -f flush");
   system("ipfw pipe 1 delete");
   system("ipfw add pipe 1 ip from 127.0.42.0/24 to any in");

   for(i=0;i<5;i++) {
        system("ipfw pipe 1 config queue 2048Bytes");
        sleep(1);
        system("ipfw pipe 1 show");
   }

   goto restart;
}

--------------------cut--------------------------------------



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Is there a "correct" way to mark a syscall as MPSAFE
when loading it as a KLD? 

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 10:47:33AM -0800, rick norman wrote:
> Hi,
> I have enclosed a short piece of code that seems to
> reproduce the problem after 5 to 10 minutes.
> I am running 4.3 freebsd off the release cd's.
> Pretty much the generic kernel except for the
> addition of dummynet and ipfw.  My platform
> is a dell dimension 4100 with 1ghz p3, though
> I doubt that is relevant.  To reproduce the problem,
> compile and run the enclosed code in one window.
> In another window su to root and run "ping -s 1024 -f 127.0.42.1".
> As you will see, the code reports the gowing byte count as one
> would expect.  Walk away for 5 to 10 minutes and when you come
> back you should see the state I'm talking about. The flood ping stream

It _might_ be a locking problem due to the frequent
reconfigurations of the pipe -- i think there was some
fix of this kind related to ipfw commands between 4.3 and 4.4.
I will see if i can reproduce the problem locally (but i have
4.4).

You are using dummynet in a very peculiar way:
more precisely, your pipe does not introduce any delay,
and this excludes the scheduler which is part of dummynet.
Also you are using the same pipe for icmp requests 
and replies, which are generated within the kernel, so
the behaviour should be quite deterministic in this
respect.

thanks for the report

	luigi

> Thanks,
> Rick
> 
> ----------------------cut--------------------------------------------
> 
> main() {
>         int  i;
> 
> restart:
>    system("ifconfig lo0 -alias 127.0.42.1");
>    system("ifconfig lo0 alias 127.0.42.1 netmask 255.255.255.0");
>    system("ipfw -f flush");
>    system("ipfw pipe 1 delete");
>    system("ipfw add pipe 1 ip from 127.0.42.0/24 to any in");
> 
>    for(i=0;i<5;i++) {
>         system("ipfw pipe 1 config queue 2048Bytes");
>         sleep(1);
>         system("ipfw pipe 1 show");
>    }
> 
>    goto restart;
> }
> 
> --------------------cut--------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
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This is fixed in 5.0-CURRENT, but the architectural improvements to
support the fix have not been merged, since they're still in flux.  My
general advice is to not mount procfs on systems with untrusted users. 
It's almost possible to not lose functionality in doing that -- I
understand DES has patches to truss to make it use ptrace(), which is the
last remaining instance I can think of.

(actually, I think ps -e requires procfs still)

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robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, opr wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> i really have no clue if i should mail this to you guys, but we've found some issue's in de jail's /proc. We were able to find information about processes running outside the jail, or running in other jails.
> eg. when i run sshd in the host system, and it has PID 655, i can login on the jail, and by execution "ls -l /proc/665/file" i can see what binary is running on pid 655. So any user of the jail system can see what processes you run on that server. I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE on a i386. 
> 
> greetz,
> 
> Pieter Danhieux
> 
> Proof of concept shellscript:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> _COUNT=0;
> while [ $_COUNT -le 65000 ];
> do
> if [ -f /proc/$_COUNT/file ];
> then
>  _USER=`/bin/ls -l /proc/$_COUNT/file | cut -d" " -f4`; 
>  _PROC=`/bin/ls -l /proc/$_COUNT/file | cut -d" " -f14`;
> echo "PID= $_TELLER     USER= $_USER    PROC= $_PROC";
> fi
> _COUNT=`expr $_COUNT + 1`;
> done
> 
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Hi

I suspect that there is some endless loop somewhere in my kernel
(-CURRENT).

I can escape to ddb but a trace ofcourse only goes back to spot where the
ddb gets called from the keyboard.

How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
(I know about where it is, but not exactly)

I hope that there is another way then to place printf's everywhere.


Thanks

Mark

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mark Santcroos wrote:

:How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
:(I know about where it is, but not exactly)
:

Use ddb to set a break -- you may need to do this upon boot (boot -d)

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when the system is looping, hit <CTL><ALT><ESC>
to drop into the debugger.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Andrew R. Reiter wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mark Santcroos wrote:
> 
> :How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
> :(I know about where it is, but not exactly)
> :
> 
> Use ddb to set a break -- you may need to do this upon boot (boot -d)
> 
> *-------------.................................................
> | Andrew R. Reiter 
> | arr@fledge.watson.org
> | "It requires a very unusual mind
> |   to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead
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Hi guys,

maybe this is of interest for some in the FreeBSD community. Contract
value is $4-6m.

-- 
Andre


[Forwarded from RISKS DIGEST 21.72]
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:56:01 -0400
From: "Landwehr, Carl E." <clandweh@nsf.gov>
Subject: NSF Trusted Computing program

  [Carl Landwehr, erstwhile security guru at the U.S. Naval Research Lab
and
  more recently at Mitretek, is now on a one-year leave at the National
  Science Foundation, as Director of the Trusted Computing program.  NSF
is
  a good source of funding, and this procurement should be of interest
to
  many RISKS readers.  As always, I recommend that we focus on
developing
  TRUSTWORTHY systems, not just UNTRUSTWORTHY systems that have to be
  TRUSTED because we have no alternative.  PGN]

The initial announcement for the new Trusted Computing program is at:
  http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf01160/nsf01160.html

The deadline for proposals is 5 Dec 2001; if you are in a position to
conduct research in this area, I encourage you to consider submitting a
proposal. NSF focuses on funding research at universities and
not-for-profit
organizations. I also hope you will consider helping me staff the review
panels for the proposals that are submitted.

My new contact information is provided below; please use this e-mail
address
for future correspondence.

Carl E. Landwehr, Program Director, Trusted Computing, CISE/CCR, Suite
1175
National Science Foundation, 4201 Wilson Blvd., Arlington, VA 22230
e-mail: clandweh@nsf.gov  phone: 703-292-8936  fax: 703-292-9059

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On Tuesday, 30 October 2001 at  8:26:14 -0800, Jaye Mathisen wrote:
>
> I be stumped:
>
> newsfeed-inn# uname -a
> FreeBSD newsfeed-inn.meganews.com 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Mon Oct 29 15:08:57 PST 2001     root@newsfeed-inn.meganews.com:/n/FreeBSD/RELENG_4-2001-10-29/src/sys/compile/NEWSFEED-INN  i386
>
> Diskcontroller is a 3ware 7800, with 4 maxtor 20GB IDE's on it, which have all been scanned 1x
> with the maxblast software for a quick verification.
>
> newsfeed-inn# cat /root/vinum.config
> drive d1 device /dev/twed0d
>
> newsfeed-inn# vinum
> vinum -> create -f /root/vinum.config
>    1: drive d1 device /dev/twed0d
> ** 1 Can't initialize drive d1: Operation not supported by device

Currently Vinum has to know about each kind of disk device before it
will use it.  It doesn't know about twed.  I'll send you a patch.

Greg
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The company I work for is willing to pay for someone to write a Compaq
Fibe Channel driver for FreeBSD.  Please write me personally if you are
interested.

Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
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Unfortunately, NSF is really interested in academic institutions and
non-profits.  NAI Labs, due to its association with NAI, counts as a
for-profit entity, and is likely not to be applicable for this grant. With
an appropriate academic or non-profit partner acting as the prime
contractor, we could act as a sub-contractor and be applicable for funds,
and there are a variety of useful activities this could cover relating to
FreeBSD.  Obviously, we would be interested in hearing from institutions
that are appropriately qualified and interested in such a partnership.

Interesting questions would include whether or not the FreeBSD Foundation
is qualified.  This is an opportunity we should not miss--if we don't get
these funds, someone else will. 

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Andre Oppermann wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> maybe this is of interest for some in the FreeBSD community. Contract
> value is $4-6m.
> 
> -- 
> Andre
> 
> 
> [Forwarded from RISKS DIGEST 21.72]
> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:56:01 -0400
> From: "Landwehr, Carl E." <clandweh@nsf.gov>
> Subject: NSF Trusted Computing program
> 
>   [Carl Landwehr, erstwhile security guru at the U.S. Naval Research Lab
> and
>   more recently at Mitretek, is now on a one-year leave at the National
>   Science Foundation, as Director of the Trusted Computing program.  NSF
> is
>   a good source of funding, and this procurement should be of interest
> to
>   many RISKS readers.  As always, I recommend that we focus on
> developing
>   TRUSTWORTHY systems, not just UNTRUSTWORTHY systems that have to be
>   TRUSTED because we have no alternative.  PGN]
> 
> The initial announcement for the new Trusted Computing program is at:
>   http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf01160/nsf01160.html
> 
> The deadline for proposals is 5 Dec 2001; if you are in a position to
> conduct research in this area, I encourage you to consider submitting a
> proposal. NSF focuses on funding research at universities and
> not-for-profit
> organizations. I also hope you will consider helping me staff the review
> panels for the proposals that are submitted.
> 
> My new contact information is provided below; please use this e-mail
> address
> for future correspondence.
> 
> Carl E. Landwehr, Program Director, Trusted Computing, CISE/CCR, Suite
> 1175
> National Science Foundation, 4201 Wilson Blvd., Arlington, VA 22230
> e-mail: clandweh@nsf.gov  phone: 703-292-8936  fax: 703-292-9059
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Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
> Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> >
> > * Thomas S. Greenwalt <tomg@trancer.com> [011028 23:04] wrote:
> > > Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from
> > > Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts
> > > to test features of applications written for BSD?
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > There's a tool called 'expect' you can probably find in the ports.
> >
> > There's a been a couple of books about it published.
> 
> Look also for "TET" and "ETET".  SVVS (the System V Verification
> Suite, used for testing SVID compliance) uses TET.

TET is owned by the Open Group and they license it for money
(at least they did a couple of years ago). It's also a pain
to use.

-SB

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There's a freeware version of TET (3.3).

*I* think it's also a bit of a pain to use. Use DejaGNU.


On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Sergey Babkin wrote:

> Terry Lambert wrote:
> >
> > Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > >
> > > * Thomas S. Greenwalt <tomg@trancer.com> [011028 23:04] wrote:
> > > > Are there any test suite packages available similiar to Visual Test from
> > > > Rational?  Not necessarily with a GUI, but the ability to build test scripts
> > > > to test features of applications written for BSD?
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > There's a tool called 'expect' you can probably find in the ports.
> > >
> > > There's a been a couple of books about it published.
> >
> > Look also for "TET" and "ETET".  SVVS (the System V Verification
> > Suite, used for testing SVID compliance) uses TET.
>
> TET is owned by the Open Group and they license it for money
> (at least they did a couple of years ago). It's also a pain
> to use.
>
> -SB
>
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--- Walter Bischof <bischof@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> From: Walter Bischof <bischof@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <beowulf@beowulf.org>
> Subject: Cluster computing software survey 
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:29:49 -0700 (MST)
> 
> Dear Sir,
> 
> We are conducting a survey on software in the
> cluster computing
> environment.  We would really appreciate it if you
> could please spend a
> few minutes to answer the following questions, and
> send your answers
> back to bischof@tiscali.co.uk.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Walter Bischof
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Are you currently using clusters as your high
> performance computing
>    solution?
>    [ ] Yes
>    [ ] No (If you answer "No", go to Question 4.)
> 
> 2. How many nodes do you have at your site?
>    [ ] More than 1024
>    [ ] Between 768 and 1023
>    [ ] Between 512 and 767
>    [ ] Between 256 and 511
>    [ ] Between 128 and 255
>    [ ] Between 64 and 127
>    [ ] Between 32 and 63
>    [ ] Between 16 and 31
>    [ ] Between 2 and 15
>    [ ] I don't have any nodes at the moment.
> 
> 3. How many CPU's do you have in total in your
> cluster?
>    [ ] More than 1024
>    [ ] Between 768 and 1023
>    [ ] Between 512 and 767
>    [ ] Between 256 and 511
>    [ ] Between 128 and 255
>    [ ] Between 64 and 127
>    [ ] Between 32 and 63
>    [ ] Between 16 and 31
>    [ ] Between 2 and 15
> 
> 4. What type of CPU's are you using?
>    [ ] Intel Itanium
>    [ ] Intel Pentium IV
>    [ ] Intel Pentium III
>    [ ] Intel Pentium II
>    [ ] Intel Pentium and lower
>    [ ] Compaq/Digital Alpha
>    [ ] Sun UltraSparc
>    [ ] Sun Sparc
>    [ ] IBM POWER
>    [ ] IBM PowerPC
>    [ ] HP PA-RISC
>    [ ] SGI MIPS
>    [ ] Not sure
> 
> 5. Which operating system are you running on the
> machines?
>    [ ] Linux on Intel x86
>    [ ] Linux on Compaq/Digital Alpha
>    [ ] Linux on Sun SPARC
>    [ ] Linux on Sun UltraSPARC
>    [ ] Tru64 UNIX (Digital UNIX)
>    [ ] IBM AIX
>    [ ] Sun Solaris on Intel x86
>    [ ] Sun Solaris on Sun SPARC
>    [ ] Sun Solaris on Sun UltraSPARC
>    [ ] HP-UX on HP PA-RISC
>    [ ] SGI Irix
>    [ ] FreeBSD on Intel x86
>    [ ] FreeBSD on Compaq/Digital Alpha
>    [ ] NetBSD on Intel x86
>    [ ] NetBSD on Compaq/Digital Alpha
>    [ ] NetBSD on Sun SPARC
>    [ ] NetBSD on Sun UltraSPARC
>    [ ] OpenBSD on Intel x86
>    [ ] OpenBSD on Compaq/Digital Alpha
>    [ ] OpenBSD on Sun SPARC
>    [ ] OpenBSD on Sun UltraSPARC
>    [ ] Other, please indicate:
>    [ ] Not sure
> 
> 6. What are using for inter-node communication?
>    [ ] Ethernet
>    [ ] Fast Ethernet
>    [ ] Gigabit Ethernet
>    [ ] Giganet
>    [ ] Myrinet
>    [ ] Quadrics QsNet
>    [ ] SCI
>    [ ] HIPPI
>    [ ] Other, please indicate:
>    [ ] Not sure
> 
> 7. Please check all the numerical libraries that are
> important to you:
>    [ ] BLAS
>    [ ] ATLAS
>    [ ] LAPACK
>    [ ] ScaLAPACK
>    [ ] PLAPACK
>    [ ] ODEPACK
>    [ ] DIFFPACK
>    [ ] QUADPACK
>    [ ] ARPACK
>    [ ] PARPACK
>    [ ] NAG library
>    [ ] IMSL library
>    [ ] Harwell library
>    [ ] Y12M subroutines
>    [ ] ITPACK
>    [ ] SPARSPACK
>    [ ] LAPACK95
>    [ ] BLAS95
>    [ ] PBLAS
>    [ ] BLACS
>    [ ] Other, please indicate:
>    [ ] Not sure
> 
> 8. If your computations involve sparse matrices, can
> you please tell
>    us more about it?
> 
> 
> 9. What other computational algorithms would you
> like to see
>    implemented in the form of libraries?
> 
> 
> 10. What do you use for parallel programming?  Check
> all that apply.
>     [ ] MPICH
>     [ ] LAM/MPI
>     [ ] Quadrics MPI
>     [ ] SHMEM
>     [ ] ScaMPI
>     [ ] PVM
>     [ ] POSIX Threads
>     [ ] HPF
>     [ ] MPI/FM
>     [ ] SCI-MPICH
>     [ ] MPI/Pro
>     [ ] OpenMP
>     [ ] Other vendor supplied MPI, please indicate:
>     [ ] Other, please indicate:
>     [ ] Not sure
> 
> 11. What do you use for your queueing system?  Check
> all that apply
>     [ ] LSF (Load Sharing Facility)
>     [ ] PBS (Portable Batch System)
>     [ ] DQS (Distributed Queueing System)
>     [ ] NQE (Network Queueing Environment)
>     [ ] SGE (Sun Grid Environment)
>     [ ] Other, please indicate:
>     [ ] Not sure
> 
> 12. If you use Linux on your cluster, which
> distribution do you use?
>     [ ] Red Hat
>     [ ] SuSE
>     [ ] Debian
>     [ ] Slackware
>     [ ] Mandrake
>     [ ] TurboLinux
>     [ ] Other, please indicate:
>     [ ] Not sure
> 
> 13. Which compilers do you use?  Check all that
> apply.
>     [ ] GCC (GNU C Compiler)
>     [ ] G77 (GNU Fortran 77 Compiler)
>     [ ] G++ (GNU C++ Compiler)
>     [ ] NAG Fortran Compiler
>     [ ] Compaq/Digital Fortran compiler
>     [ ] Compaq/Digital C compiler
>     [ ] IBM xlf Fortran compiler
>     [ ] IBM xlc C compiler
>     [ ] IBM xlC C++ compiler
>     [ ] Portland Group (PGI) C compiler
>     [ ] Portland Group (PGI) C++ compiler
>     [ ] Portland Group (PGI) Fortran compiler
>     [ ] Portland Group (PGI) HPF compiler
>     [ ] VAST F90 compiler
>     [ ] Absoft Pro Fortran compiler
>     [ ] SGI MIPSpro C compiler
>     [ ] SGI MIPSpro C++ compiler
>     [ ] SGI MIPSpro Fortran compiler
>     [ ] HP C compiler
>     [ ] HP C++ compiler
>     [ ] HP Fortram compiler
>     [ ] Sun WorkShop C compiler
>     [ ] Sun WorkShop C++ compiler
>     [ ] Sun WorkShop Fortran compiler
>     [ ] Other, please indicate:
>     [ ] Not sure
> 
> 14. Please tell us what applications do you use your
> cluster for.
> 
> 
> 15. Would well tuned and advanced numerical
> subroutines be of any value
>     to you?
>     [ ] Yes
>     [ ] No
> 
> 16. How much would you be willing to pay for high
> quality numerical
>     libraries?
>     [ ] More than USD $5000
>     [ ] Between USD $3000 and USD $4999
>     [ ] Between USD $1000 and USD $2999
>     [ ] Between USD $500 and USD $999
>     [ ] Between USD $200 and USD 499
>     [ ] Below USD $199
>     [ ] I wouldn't pay for it, I will use free
> versions
> 
> 17. If you use Linux, how would you like the
> numerical libraries to be
>     distributed?
>     [ ] As part of a Linux distribution
>     [ ] As add-on packages to a Linux distribution
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Is there anything in FreeBSD that gives this functionality?  My reading of
src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c in both -stable and -current seems to indicate
that there isn't any such functionality (i need the global functionality
that LD_PRELOAD doesn't give me).  I'd be willing to write a patch for it,
but I'd need some guidance on what would be a proper way to fix it.

I'm thinking of a patch to ldconfig to get /etc/ld.so.preload into the
hints file and then to hack gethints() in rtld.c to take an argument
indicating which path you want to return.



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I've just updated the ACPI CA subsystem to the Intel 20011018 snapshot. 

This primarily fixes a couple of bugs in the ACPI interpreter; see the
changelog at 

  http://developer.intel.com/technology/iapc/acpi/downloads/CHANGES.txt

for full details.

These changes may fix some situations where:

 - Devices had wrong or invalid resources.
 - The interpreter failed to communicate with BIOS SMI code.
 - The system would fault on certain AML code.
 - Debugging output was incorrect.

Please report any problems with this update to the ACPI list at
acpi-jp@jp.freebsd.org.

Regards,
Mike


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From owner-freebsd-hackers  Tue Oct 30 22:17: 7 2001
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Subject: Re: [PBS-USERS] Re: DRM standard API [was: SC2001 technical papers   online]
To: Richard Reigh <rreigh@bcm.tmc.edu>,
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Don't get me wrong.

I am not against companies making money from selling
products (even close source software), but I care how
they market their products.

I hope you still remember what M$ said about
Linux+Apahce, and how it carefully set up the
benchmark that showed Linux+Apache suck.

If you want more information about what Platform
people said, please go to:

http://www.sun.com/software/gridware/support.html

Technical Forums -> Compute Farms -> "some comments
overheard by Platform Computing rep."

 -Ron

--- Richard Reigh <rreigh@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
> >What I wanted to say was that there are a lot of
> >companies aggressively making money, they don't
> really
> >care about the technology.
> 
> Let's not forget that Veridian is also in the
> business of making money. I've
> seen quite a few suggestions from their employees
> that the solution to a
> user's problem is to upgrade to PBS Pro.
> 
> You may not like Platform's business practices, but
> at least their software
> doesn't suck like M$.
> 
> ******************************
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:04:16PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote:

There is the isp(4) driver, by Matt Jacob, that supports Qlogic 
FC HBAs.


> The company I work for is willing to pay for someone to write a Compaq
> Fibe Channel driver for FreeBSD.  Please write me personally if you are
> interested.
> 
> Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
>  - Keep on Routing in a Free World...
>   "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!"
> 
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Well, here's a short patch to add the necessarily functionality to
/var/run/ld-elf.so.hints and /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1.  If this is
acceptable, /sbin/ldconfig would need to be patched.

Looks like the major bug is that if you preload libraries globally you
break linux binary compatibility.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote:
> Is there anything in FreeBSD that gives this functionality?  My reading of
> src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c in both -stable and -current seems to indicate
> that there isn't any such functionality (i need the global functionality
> that LD_PRELOAD doesn't give me).  I'd be willing to write a patch for it,
> but I'd need some guidance on what would be a proper way to fix it.
>
> I'm thinking of a patch to ldconfig to get /etc/ld.so.preload into the
> hints file and then to hack gethints() in rtld.c to take an argument
> indicating which path you want to return.
>
>
>
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Le Mardi 30 Octobre 2001 17:17, vous avez écrit :

> > configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> > create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> > root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it.  Can
> > someone verify if this is the case?


Sorry. Forget this part. This is the content my /path/to/FreeBSD/CDROM :

- The entire content of the original CDROM
- A custom mfsroot with install.cfg
- A custom kernel with 'options MD_ROOT'
- A  directory called 'boot' with the following files (from /boot): boot1 
boot2 loader loader.rc


Henri

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Thats what I already said in my email :)


I was hoping that there is some way to dump the codepath of the kernel.

Or is it maybe possible from ddb to move the context of a certain process
and trace from there?

Mark

ps. I have narrowed it down already a bit more and hope to come with a bug
report on -current in the coming days.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:38:45PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
> when the system is looping, hit <CTL><ALT><ESC>
> to drop into the debugger.
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Andrew R. Reiter wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mark Santcroos wrote:
> > 
> > :How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
> > :(I know about where it is, but not exactly)
> > :
> > 
> > Use ddb to set a break -- you may need to do this upon boot (boot -d)
> > 
> > *-------------.................................................
> > | Andrew R. Reiter 
> > | arr@fledge.watson.org
> > | "It requires a very unusual mind
> > |   to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead
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How do I suspend one particular thread without suspending the whole process?
I can not use sleep or usleep can I?

TIA
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Sergey Babkin wrote:
> > Look also for "TET" and "ETET".  SVVS (the System V Verification
> > Suite, used for testing SVID compliance) uses TET.
> 
> TET is owned by the Open Group and they license it for money
> (at least they did a couple of years ago). It's also a pain
> to use.

I saved the public TET and ETET implementations, as well as the
draft Sepc 1170, and a number of other important documents when
UNIX International went under.

The documents were generaously hosted on the Digiboard FTP site.

There are currently freeware versions of these documents and code
floating around.  I _know_ there is a TET 3.x around, since I
have it on an old machine in the other room.

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Sorry, that one isn't backwards compatible with the present version of
the hints file.  This one behaves nicer.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote:
> Well, here's a short patch to add the necessarily functionality to
> /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints and /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1.  If this is
> acceptable, /sbin/ldconfig would need to be patched.
>
> Looks like the major bug is that if you preload libraries globally you
> break linux binary compatibility.
>
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote:
> > Is there anything in FreeBSD that gives this functionality?  My reading of
> > src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c in both -stable and -current seems to indicate
> > that there isn't any such functionality (i need the global functionality
> > that LD_PRELOAD doesn't give me).  I'd be willing to write a patch for it,
> > but I'd need some guidance on what would be a proper way to fix it.
> >
> > I'm thinking of a patch to ldconfig to get /etc/ld.so.preload into the
> > hints file and then to hack gethints() in rtld.c to take an argument
> > indicating which path you want to return.
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Mark Santcroos wrote:
> 
> Thats what I already said in my email :)
> 
> I was hoping that there is some way to dump the codepath of the kernel.
> 
> Or is it maybe possible from ddb to move the context of a certain process
> and trace from there?

tr PID
gives you teh stack of that PID

then set a breakpoint in a location that you know it will go through
(e.g. one of the return addresses given in the trace) and then 
continue.

> 
> Mark
> 
> ps. I have narrowed it down already a bit more and hope to come with a bug
> report on -current in the coming days.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:38:45PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
> > when the system is looping, hit <CTL><ALT><ESC>
> > to drop into the debugger.
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Andrew R. Reiter wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mark Santcroos wrote:
> > >
> > > :How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
> > > :(I know about where it is, but not exactly)
> > > :
> > >
> > > Use ddb to set a break -- you may need to do this upon boot (boot -d)
> > >
> > > *-------------.................................................
> > > | Andrew R. Reiter
> > > | arr@fledge.watson.org
> > > | "It requires a very unusual mind
> > > |   to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead
> > >
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Ah great. Thanks alot!

Mark

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:11:07AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
> Mark Santcroos wrote:
> > 
> > Thats what I already said in my email :)
> > 
> > I was hoping that there is some way to dump the codepath of the kernel.
> > 
> > Or is it maybe possible from ddb to move the context of a certain process
> > and trace from there?
> 
> tr PID
> gives you teh stack of that PID
> 
> then set a breakpoint in a location that you know it will go through
> (e.g. one of the return addresses given in the trace) and then 
> continue.
> 
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > ps. I have narrowed it down already a bit more and hope to come with a bug
> > report on -current in the coming days.
> > 
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 03:38:45PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote:
> > > when the system is looping, hit <CTL><ALT><ESC>
> > > to drop into the debugger.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Andrew R. Reiter wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mark Santcroos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > :How can I see in what piece of the kernel it is looping?
> > > > :(I know about where it is, but not exactly)
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > Use ddb to set a break -- you may need to do this upon boot (boot -d)
> > > >
> > > > *-------------.................................................
> > > > | Andrew R. Reiter
> > > > | arr@fledge.watson.org
> > > > | "It requires a very unusual mind
> > > > |   to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead
> > > >
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  Hi, freebsd-hackers.

Recently I was trying to change some syscalls numbers (i.e. syscall
exit would have number 5 and syscall open would have number 1).
My thought was, that for that operation one must edit file
/usr/src/sys/kern/syscalls.master and remake world. I edited the file
named above, rebooted in single-user mode, and ran "make buildworld &&
make buildkernel && make installkernel && make installworld".
Everything seems to be OK, new kernel has been built and installed (I
think it is `new', because /kernel has the creation date of "make
installkernel" and diff says it differs from /kernel.old ), but
        mov eax,1
        push eax
        int 80h

still performs exit.

Could you point me, what wrong assumptions/steps have I done?
Any help is very good.

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Did you type make init_sysent.c, after editing syscalls.master?

- Evan

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I looked in /boot on my 4.4R system and there was a
'pxeboot' file there.  I've since modded my ISCv3
DHCPD.conf file to serve this file out to machines
(after creating /tftpboot/boot/loader.rc) and it works
great. Next step will be to test getting this to work
using reservations from the MS DHCP server on our LAN
(pretty sure this will work) and people will be able
to boot diskless FreeBSD by pressing F12 at boot up.
Thanks fo your help John.

Paul

 --- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > 
> On 30-Oct-01 Paul Jansen wrote:
> > I posted some of this info last friday but haven't
> had
> > any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
> > what the problem is.  Here's the details:
> > 
> > I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
> > FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.  
> > The problem I'm having now is when I follow
> Alfred's
> > directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R)
> It
> > bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need
> to
> > stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
> > directory and tell the machine to execute this by
> > specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
> > configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> > create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> > root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it. 
> Can
> > someone verify if this is the case?
> > Alfred's instructions can be found here:
> > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/
> > 
> > This is the console output that insues when I try
> and
> > build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:
> 
> You need pxeboot (not pxeldr, pxeldr is part of
> pxeboot).  Do you have the
> sources for libstand (src/lib/libstand) installed?
> 
> -- 
> 
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Nickolay A.Kritsky wrote:
>   Hi, freebsd-hackers.
> 
> Recently I was trying to change some syscalls numbers (i.e. syscall
> exit would have number 5 and syscall open would have number 1).
> My thought was, that for that operation one must edit file
> /usr/src/sys/kern/syscalls.master and remake world. I edited the file
> named above, rebooted in single-user mode, and ran "make buildworld &&
> make buildkernel && make installkernel && make installworld".
> Everything seems to be OK, new kernel has been built and installed (I
> think it is `new', because /kernel has the creation date of "make
> installkernel" and diff says it differs from /kernel.old ), but
>         mov eax,1
>         push eax
>         int 80h
> 
> still performs exit.
> 
> Could you point me, what wrong assumptions/steps have I done?
> Any help is very good.

/usr/src/sys/kern/makesyscalls.sh syscalls.master

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mike Smith wrote:

>
> I've just updated the ACPI CA subsystem to the Intel 20011018 snapshot.
>
> This primarily fixes a couple of bugs in the ACPI interpreter; see the
> changelog at
>
>   http://developer.intel.com/technology/iapc/acpi/downloads/CHANGES.txt
>
> for full details.

This doesn't appear to fix the 64bit alignment problems which we had while
trying to use the code on ia64. Any news on when/whether Intel will accept
our 64bit patches?

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Henri,

FYI - this is my dhcpd.conf.  I didn't have to enable
a lot of the options you had in yours:

"
# dhcpd.conf

# define new options
option nfs-swap code 128 = string;
option swap-size code 129 = integer 32;

# option definitions common to all supported
networks...
option domain-name "jansen.org";
option domain-name-servers 203.57.68.5, 203.57.68.5;

ddns-update-style ad-hoc;

default-lease-time 600;
max-lease-time 7200;

authoritative;

# Use this to send dhcp log messages to a different
log file (you also
# have to hack syslog.conf to complete the
redirection).
log-facility local7;

subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
  range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.13 192.168.0.20;
  use-host-decl-names on;
  option routers 192.168.0.8;
  option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
  if substring (option vendor-class-identifier,0,9) =
"PXEClient" {
    filename "pxeboot"
  }
  option root-path "192.168.0.1:/diskless";
  option nfs-swap "192.168.0.1:/nfs-swap";
  option swap-size 10240;
}

host host12 {
   hardware ethernet 00:02:55:70:86:e8;
  fixed-address host12.jansen.org;
}
"

I found pxeboot in /boot on my 4.4r system and after
the  config file for ISC DHCPDv3 is in place and DHCPD
is started things work great.  I needed to make sure
the /tftpboot/boot/loader.rc existed and that I copied
my diskless kernel to /tftpboot/kernel.
Thanks for your suggestions.

Paul

 --- Henri Michelon <Henri.Michelon.ML@iiriam.fr>
wrote: > Le Mardi 30 Octobre 2001 14:30, vous avez
écrit :
> > I posted some of this info last friday but haven't
> had
> > any responses.  I'm hoping someone out there knows
> > what the problem is.  Here's the details:
> >
> > I saw Alfred Perlsteins page on how to setup
> > FreeBSD installs unsing PXE.
> > The problem I'm having now is when I follow
> Alfred's
> > directions to create the PXE loader (using 4.4R)
> It
> > bombs out.  It's my understanding the I just need
> to
> > stick 'pxeldr' into the root of the TFTP server
> > directory and tell the machine to execute this by
> > specifying it as the boot file in the DHCP
> > configuration.  I also understand that I have to
> > create a subdirectory called 'boot' under the TFTP
> > root directory with the file 'loader.rc' in it. 
> Can
> > someone verify if this is the case?
> > Alfred's instructions can be found here:
> > http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/
> >
> > This is the console output that insues when I try
> and
> > build pxeldr as per Alfred's instructions:
> >
> 
> 
> You can find pxeboot (instead of pxeldr) if /boot.
> Just copy it into /tftpboot, and add the following
> in the dhcpd config file 
> (for isc-dhcp version 3):
> 
> option space PXE;
> option PXE.mtftp-ip    code 1 = ip-address;
> option PXE.mtftp-cport code 2 = unsigned integer 16;
> option PXE.mtftp-sport code 3 = unsigned integer 16;
> option PXE.mtftp-tmout code 4 = unsigned integer 8;
> option PXE.mtftp-delay code 5 = unsigned integer 8;
> 
> class "pxeclients" {
>         match if substring (option
> vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = 
> "PXEClient";
>         option vendor-class-identifier "PXEClient";
>         option PXE.mtftp-ip 0.0.0.0;
>         vendor-option-space PXE;
>         next-server X.X.X.X;
>         server-name "X.X.X.X";
>         server-identifier X.X.X.X;
>  
>         option root-path "/path/to/FreeBSD/CDROM";
>  
>         filename "pxeboot";
> }
> 
> where X.X.X.X is the IP address of the tftp boot
> server.
> 
> Henri. 

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Hello Evan,

Wednesday, October 31, 2001, 2:41:57 PM, you wrote:

ES> Did you type make init_sysent.c, after editing syscalls.master?

ES> - Evan

No. I relied on "make buildkernel". I will try this now.

Maxime Henrion <mux@nebula.noos.fr> wrote :

MH> /usr/src/sys/kern/makesyscalls.sh syscalls.master

As far as I understand Makefile format, it is part of "make
init_sysent.c"

Thank you for your help

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Le Mercredi 31 Octobre 2001 12:49, vous avez écrit :
> Henri,
>
> FYI - this is my dhcpd.conf.  I didn't have to enable
> a lot of the options you had in yours:
>
>

My dhcpd.conf is a 'pxe' generic config. I used it with FreBSD pxeboot, 
pxelinux, pxegrub, bpbatch and 3COM .pxe files.
Some PXE boot loaders need some options, others not, and this config works 
with all pxe clients I have tested.

Henri.

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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:08:42AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:04:16PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote:
> 
> There is the isp(4) driver, by Matt Jacob, that supports Qlogic 
> FC HBAs.

Further clarifyin this: CPQ use QL2200 for use with Linux. 
CPQ KGPSA are Emulex LP[78]000, as used on Tru64,OVMS etc.

> 
> > The company I work for is willing to pay for someone to write a Compaq
> > Fibe Channel driver for FreeBSD.  Please write me personally if you are
> > interested.
> > 
> > Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
> >  - Keep on Routing in a Free World...
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I have successfully used sleep in this situation.  I wanted a process that
activated every hour (it did some "garbage collection"), so it went something
like

while (1) {
  sleep(3600);
  do_stuff();
}

and the other threads worked fine.


Arjan Knepper wrote:
> 
> How do I suspend one particular thread without suspending the whole process?
> I can not use sleep or usleep can I?
> 
> TIA
> Arjan
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On Wed, 2001-10-31 at 08:26, Arjan Knepper wrote:
> How do I suspend one particular thread without suspending the whole process?
> I can not use sleep or usleep can I?

You can use them, since they use nanosleep() which is I think
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If you are using digital unix pthreads implementation, there is
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Arjan Knepper wrote:
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> How do I suspend one particular thread without suspending the whole process?
> I can not use sleep or usleep can I?
> 

Also, if you do 

apropos pthread

you will see listed a whole bunch of functions, some of which may be more
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pthread_cond_timedwait

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> From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> This doesn't appear to fix the 64bit alignment problems which 
> we had while
> trying to use the code on ia64. Any news on when/whether 
> Intel will accept
> our 64bit patches?

Our next release will include a fix for this.

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Grover, Andrew wrote:

> > From: Doug Rabson [mailto:dfr@nlsystems.com]
> > This doesn't appear to fix the 64bit alignment problems which
> > we had while
> > trying to use the code on ia64. Any news on when/whether
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> > our 64bit patches?
>
> Our next release will include a fix for this.

Good news, thanks!

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Yes, well, there is something Linux called the Compaq Fibre Channel Driver,
and it's not QLogic based- nor is it Emulex based- I believe it's Tachyon-
lite.

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:08:42AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:04:16PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote:
> > 
> > There is the isp(4) driver, by Matt Jacob, that supports Qlogic 
> > FC HBAs.
> 
> Further clarifyin this: CPQ use QL2200 for use with Linux. 
> CPQ KGPSA are Emulex LP[78]000, as used on Tru64,OVMS etc.
> 
> > 
> > > The company I work for is willing to pay for someone to write a Compaq
> > > Fibe Channel driver for FreeBSD.  Please write me personally if you are
> > > interested.
> > > 
> > > Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
> > >  - Keep on Routing in a Free World...
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:49:19AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:

That is probably what we call the Jaguar in-house. It is (IIRC) a
dumb adapter, there is a Tachyon on it for sure.

Wilko

> Yes, well, there is something Linux called the Compaq Fibre Channel Driver,
> and it's not QLogic based- nor is it Emulex based- I believe it's Tachyon-
> lite.
> 
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:08:42AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 06:04:16PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote:
> > > 
> > > There is the isp(4) driver, by Matt Jacob, that supports Qlogic 
> > > FC HBAs.
> > 
> > Further clarifyin this: CPQ use QL2200 for use with Linux. 
> > CPQ KGPSA are Emulex LP[78]000, as used on Tru64,OVMS etc.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > The company I work for is willing to pay for someone to write a Compaq
> > > > Fibe Channel driver for FreeBSD.  Please write me personally if you are
> > > > interested.
> > > > 
> > > > Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
> > > >  - Keep on Routing in a Free World...
> > > >   "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!"
> > > > 
> > > > 
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"dumb" is relative and fungible.

It's a tradeoff between doing the connection management in firmware (as with
the QLogic) or in the Kernel (as with Tachyon products mostly). It depends on
whom you believe ultimately does a better job.

Doing it in firmware allows the driver writer to manage the ULP stuff a lot
better because you're not so distracted by the low level ruckus.

Doing it in the kernel allows you to avoid all those nagging and persistent
questions of "why the hell did the f/w do/say/barf&&turn-left-against-a-red
*that*?"

-matt


On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:49:19AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> That is probably what we call the Jaguar in-house. It is (IIRC) a
> dumb adapter, there is a Tachyon on it for sure.
> 
> Wilko


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Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> "dumb" is relative and fungible.
> 
> It's a tradeoff between doing the connection management in firmware (as with
> the QLogic) or in the Kernel (as with Tachyon products mostly). It depends on
> whom you believe ultimately does a better job.
> 
> Doing it in firmware allows the driver writer to manage the ULP stuff a lot
> better because you're not so distracted by the low level ruckus.
> 
> Doing it in the kernel allows you to avoid all those nagging and persistent
> questions of "why the hell did the f/w do/say/barf&&turn-left-against-a-red
> *that*?"

I'm personally a "firm" believer in having the card do the
work so as to avoid the unnecessary bus transfers from the
kernel doing the work.

Alfred and Eric Melville both have incredibly funny anecdotes
about Windows machines without GL accelerators configured as
servers, and with GL screen savers which eat most of the CPU
away from server applications...

-- Terry

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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:37:47AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> "dumb" is relative and fungible.

Sure..

> It's a tradeoff between doing the connection management in firmware (as with
> the QLogic) or in the Kernel (as with Tachyon products mostly). It depends on
> whom you believe ultimately does a better job.

Well, I generally would like to put my money on the firmware. This assumes
(as always..) good firmware.

> Doing it in firmware allows the driver writer to manage the ULP stuff a lot
> better because you're not so distracted by the low level ruckus.

<nod>

> Doing it in the kernel allows you to avoid all those nagging and persistent
> questions of "why the hell did the f/w do/say/barf&&turn-left-against-a-red
> *that*?"

But it tends to produce horrible drivers if you are not very careful.
I remember a WD33C93 driver here.. <shiver>

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 09:49:19AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > 
> > That is probably what we call the Jaguar in-house. It is (IIRC) a
> > dumb adapter, there is a Tachyon on it for sure.
> > 
> > Wilko
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hi,
I've got a problem with ssh forwarding. I wont to be able to run a service
which has one stable port to communicate (411) and then starts to
create another connections on random ports below 10000. Forwarding
just one port is throug our firewall was easy. But how to forward
whole 10000 ports?
can you help me?
thank you

Some info about firewall only 20/21/22/80/ and some other ports are allowed
non above 1000



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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote:
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

How 'specific' are you trying to get?  /dev/null is a pseudo-device
to which writes never fail.

What question are you _really_ trying to ask?

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> "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> 
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

The bit bucket.

You won't have to empty the one in your machine until the year
2038, which we assume someone will come up with a way of recyling
the used bits by then (or just compressing them into bus benches).

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Brian Reichert wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote:
> > Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
> 
> How 'specific' are you trying to get?  /dev/null is a pseudo-device
> to which writes never fail.
> 
> What question are you _really_ trying to ask?
> 
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Nicpon, John wrote:

> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
> 


Without actually looking at the code, the generic definition of /dev/null goes something to the effect of:


----
open /dev/null

while(1)
{
	select on /dev/null
	read byte from /dev/null
}
----

So basically, it just reads what is there, but does absolutely nothing with it.


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<ethers>Where does data go when it dies?</ethers>

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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote:
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

How 'specific' are you trying to get?  /dev/null is a pseudo-device
to which writes never fail.

What question are you _really_ trying to ask?

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> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

The same place where /dev/random gets its data from.  Unless
your computer is owned by gummint, in which case FBI gets it
as you have to keep a copy of all output.

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It's similar to the space/time wormhole that appears in your clothes dryer, and randomly sucks out only one sock out of every pair 
into a parallel universe.

Somewhere, there is a universe made up of nothing but odd socks, where they each lead a very happy odd-sockish singular life.

I assume that input to /dev/null goes to a parallel universe consisting entirely of unwanted, wayward data.

Nicpon, John wrote:

> <ethers>Where does data go when it dies?</ethers>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote:
> 
>>Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
>>
> 
> How 'specific' are you trying to get?  /dev/null is a pseudo-device
> to which writes never fail.
> 
> What question are you _really_ trying to ask?
> 
> 

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> "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> 
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

to the place where no data ever came back.

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> 
> > "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> > 
> > Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
> 
> to the place where no data ever came back.
> 

..on those "blank" tapes on which you should be backing up the data 
you do care about.

..to help fight the secret, hidden war against entropy.



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In message <2AACFCDB6086274CA42D44085EF1BAA2293FF4@msm-001.msg.stcorp.com>, Joh
n.Nicpon@SouthTrust.com writes:
>What question are you _really_ trying to ask?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?


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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:08:38PM -0700, Drew Eckhardt wrote:
> In message <2AACFCDB6086274CA42D44085EF1BAA2293FF4@msm-001.msg.stcorp.com>, Joh
> n.Nicpon@SouthTrust.com writes:
> >What question are you _really_ trying to ask?
> 
> What is the sound of one hand clapping?

If a bit falls into the bit bucket and signal is not raised does it make a
sound? 


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> "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> 
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

Answer 1.  Data is not like energy.  There is no "conservation of data"
law.  So the data simply "disappears".

Answer 2.  All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of
/dev/random.


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Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> Answer 2.  All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of
> /dev/random.

That would be so funny... I cat /dev/random, and I get your
files, as you delete them.  8-).

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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:08:38PM -0700, Drew Eckhardt wrote:
> In message <2AACFCDB6086274CA42D44085EF1BAA2293FF4@msm-001.msg.stcorp.com>, Joh
> n.Nicpon@SouthTrust.com writes:
> >What question are you _really_ trying to ask?
> 
> What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Can this go to -chat please??

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hi all,
i have been trying to connect to the FreeBSD Anonymous
CVS Server.. and it always keeps on saying no to me...
could some guide me thru this please..

thanks...

error:
cvs [login aborted]: connect to
anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:2401 failed: Connection refused


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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:13:23PM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote:
> hi all,
> i have been trying to connect to the FreeBSD Anonymous
> CVS Server.. and it always keeps on saying no to me...
> could some guide me thru this please..
>=20
> thanks...
>=20
> error:
> cvs [login aborted]: connect to
> anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:2401 failed: Connection refused

Hiten,

The anoncvs server is down at the moment.  There's been a discussion
about it recently on one of the other lists, although I can't remember
which one, maybe hubs@ ?  (Someone announced an unofficial one that
could be used in the meantime).

Joe

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Hi,
I want to write programs for X11 and KDE2 respectively. I tried to use
the qt-toolkit but I couldn't compile my program. As I started out with
the "Hello, World!" program from the Qt tutorial I guess I didn't make a
coding mistake :o)
I invoked g++ like this cos it complained about not finding header
files:
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Hi,

  is there any reason why pmap_collect() in /sys/i386/i386/pmap.c does =
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Hello Guys,

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> >
> > Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
>
> Answer 1.  Data is not like energy.  There is no "conservation of data"
> law.  So the data simply "disappears".

Doesn't thermodynamics second law actually imply that data has to
disappear and that with the heat death of the universe data will be at a
minimum?  For meaningful data to exist there needs to be order, while the
2nd law requires that systems evolve to less ordered states.

The only uncertainty about this that I've got is that random systems can
actually be very dense with data.  Think about a compressed and encrypted
file, which should be indistinguishable from /dev/random output.

I guess the difference between those two is that there is only a single
state which validly represents the comprssed and encrypted file.  On the
other hand there may be many states which represent the valid output of
/dev/random (of course you only obtain one of these states).  Since there
are more states for /dev/random there is more entropy (and actually the
compressed file having only one valid state would have minimal entropy).

Did I get that right?  My thermodynamics and info theory are a little
rusty...

Contribute to the Heat Death of the Universe!  pipe everything to /dev/null!


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Lamont Granquist wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> 
>>>"Nicpon, John" wrote:
>>>
>>>Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
>>>
>>Answer 1.  Data is not like energy.  There is no "conservation of data"
>>law.  So the data simply "disappears".
>>
> 
> Doesn't thermodynamics second law actually imply that data has to
> disappear and that with the heat death of the universe data will be at a
> minimum?  For meaningful data to exist there needs to be order, while the
> 2nd law requires that systems evolve to less ordered states.
> 
> The only uncertainty about this that I've got is that random systems can
> actually be very dense with data.  Think about a compressed and encrypted
> file, which should be indistinguishable from /dev/random output.
> 
> I guess the difference between those two is that there is only a single
> state which validly represents the comprssed and encrypted file.  On the
> other hand there may be many states which represent the valid output of
> /dev/random (of course you only obtain one of these states).  Since there
> are more states for /dev/random there is more entropy (and actually the
> compressed file having only one valid state would have minimal entropy).
> 
> Did I get that right?  My thermodynamics and info theory are a little
> rusty...
> 
> Contribute to the Heat Death of the Universe!  pipe everything to /dev/null!


Nah, you have it all wrong...

The data goes into a wormhole, much similar to the one that splits up your pairs of socks in the dryer, and the data wormhole simply 
sucks it into another universe.

No need to worry about the collapse of our universe because of /dev/null

BUT...Piping all that data to /dev/null MAY destroy the universe that keeps sending flying saucers to the houses of Art Bell fans in 
places like Lockjaw, Kentucky or Moose Turd, Montana...


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> Hi,
> 
>   is there any reason why pmap_collect() in /sys/i386/i386/pmap.c does =
> not
>   check PG_UNMANAGED flag? unmanaged page does not have pv_entry =
> associated,
>   so call pmap_remove_all() has side effect, PG_MAPPED and PG_WRITEABLE =
> are=20
>   roughly cleared.
> 
> --
> David Xu

Did you have something like this in mind?

@@ -1729,7 +1729,7 @@
        for(i = 0; i < vm_page_array_size; i++) {
                m = &vm_page_array[i];
                if (m->wire_count || m->hold_count || m->busy ||
-                   (m->flags & PG_BUSY))
+                   (m->flags & (PG_BUSY | PG_UNMANAGED)))
                        continue;
                pmap_remove_all(m);
        }

BTW; please stop posting MIME/HTML onto mailing lists.

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----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Peter Wemm" <peter@wemm.org>
To: "David Xu" <davidx@viasoft.com.cn>
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:43 AM
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> "David Xu" wrote:
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >=20
> > ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C162B1.0ECE7770
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset=3D"gb2312"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> >   is there any reason why pmap_collect() in /sys/i386/i386/pmap.c =
does =3D
> > not
> >   check PG_UNMANAGED flag? unmanaged page does not have pv_entry =3D
> > associated,
> >   so call pmap_remove_all() has side effect, PG_MAPPED and =
PG_WRITEABLE =3D
> > are=3D20
> >   roughly cleared.
> >=20
> > --
> > David Xu
>=20
> Did you have something like this in mind?
>=20
> @@ -1729,7 +1729,7 @@
>         for(i =3D 0; i < vm_page_array_size; i++) {
>                 m =3D &vm_page_array[i];
>                 if (m->wire_count || m->hold_count || m->busy ||
> -                   (m->flags & PG_BUSY))
> +                   (m->flags & (PG_BUSY | PG_UNMANAGED)))
>                         continue;
>                 pmap_remove_all(m);
>         }
>=20

Yes, I have changed and tested it yesterday, I have pushed a memory hog =
program into=20
system, run it about half an hour, almost every program was swapped out, =
still without
cause any problem, it seems it is safe to add this flag.

> BTW; please stop posting MIME/HTML onto mailing lists.
>=20
Sorry, my MS Outlook express sucks, I will replace it with better one!

> Cheers,
> -Peter
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 05:20:33PM -0800, Lamont Granquist wrote:
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> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > > "Nicpon, John" wrote:
> > >
> > > Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null
> >
> > Answer 1.  Data is not like energy.  There is no "conservation of data"
> > law.  So the data simply "disappears".
>=20
> Doesn't thermodynamics second law actually imply that data has to
> disappear and that with the heat death of the universe data will be at a
> minimum?  For meaningful data to exist there needs to be order, while the
> 2nd law requires that systems evolve to less ordered states.

Maybe, but the second law of thermodynamics is incorrect so who knows?

Joe

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Nicpon, John wrote:

> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

To boldy go where no Data has returned from before?

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> 
> "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> writes:
> > because `echo' nicely removes \n's from env vars when it prints them.
> 
> des@des ~% foo='bar
> quote> baz'
> des@des ~% echo $foo
> bar
> baz
> des@des ~% /bin/echo $foo
> bar
> baz
> 

Uhmz ?

bash-2.05# foo='bar
> baz'
bash-2.05# echo $foo
bar baz
bash-2.05# /bin/echo $foo
bar baz
bash-2.05# set |grep foo
foo=$'bar\nbaz'
bash-2.05# 

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"Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru> writes:
> Uhmz ?

Your shell is broken.

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"Nicpon, John" <John.Nicpon@SouthTrust.com> writes:
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

It goes into a special data sink in the CPU where it is converted to
heat which is vented through the heatsink / fan assembly.  This is why
CPU cooling is increasingly important; as people get used to faster
processors, they become careless with their data and more and more of
it ends up in /dev/null, overheating their CPUs.  If you delete
/dev/null (which effectively disables the CPU data sink) your CPU may
run cooler but your system will quickly become constipated with all
that excess data and start to behave erratically.  If you have a fast
network connection you can cool down your CPU by reading data out of
/dev/random and sending it off somewhere; however you run the risk of
overheating your network connection and / or angering your ISP, as
most of the data will end up getting converted to heat by their
equipment, but they generally have good cooling, so if you don't
overdo it you should be OK.

I hope this answers your question.

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 12:43:21PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> "Eugene L. Vorokov" <vel@bugz.infotecs.ru> writes:
> > Uhmz ?
> 
> Your shell is broken.
> 

Just tried it with  /bin/sh, /bin/csh and /bin/tcsh and they
all remove the newlines. That is a lot of broken shells.

May I aks which shell you are using?

-Guido

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Guido van Rooij <guido@gvr.org> writes:
> May I aks which shell you are using?

Zsh.

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> Guido van Rooij <guido@gvr.org> writes:
> > May I aks which shell you are using?
> 
> Zsh.

I am starting to wonder which sh is broken.....

Btw there is a difference between sh and {t,}csh: in the sh case the newline
is replaced with 1 space. In the case of the 2 others, there are 2 spaces.

-Guido

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:36:24PM +0100, Guido van Rooij wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> > Guido van Rooij <guido@gvr.org> writes:
> > > May I aks which shell you are using?
> > 
> > Zsh.
> 
> I am starting to wonder which sh is broken.....
> 
> Btw there is a difference between sh and {t,}csh: in the sh case the newline
> is replaced with 1 space. In the case of the 2 others, there are 2 spaces.

And this is not an echo issue, it is a shell variable expansion issue.
Witness (using /bin/sh) :

$ foo='bar
> baz'
$ echo $foo
bar baz
$ /bin/echo $foo
bar baz
$ echo "$foo"
bar
baz
$ /bin/echo "$foo"
bar
baz
$

G'luck,
Peter

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:36:24PM +0100, Guido van Rooij wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> > Guido van Rooij <guido@gvr.org> writes:
> > > May I aks which shell you are using?
> > 
> > Zsh.
> 
> I am starting to wonder which sh is broken.....

Neither really. First note that zsh doesn't claim to be fully compatible with
/bin/sh (or POSIX-compliant for that matter.)  Secondly, zsh has a lot
of options defining how it works.  In this case the option
SH_WORD_SPLIT defines which behaviour will be used.  If this option is
set it will replace the newline with a space.  If it is not set (which
is the default) the newline will be retained as it is.

> 
> Btw there is a difference between sh and {t,}csh: in the sh case the newline
> is replaced with 1 space. In the case of the 2 others, there are 2 spaces.



-- 
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:02:59PM -0600, Nicpon, John wrote:
> Please specifically define where data goes that is sent to /dev/null

That's what manpages are for - see null(4).

If you want it more specific src/sys/dev/null.c says:

[...]
static int
null_write(dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int flag)
{
        uio->uio_resid = 0;
        return 0;
}
[...]

The memory which holds the data is declared as unused now and may be
overwritten at any time.
Even if the data still exists you will loose the reference to the
holding memory on return of null_write().

In short: The data is tranfered into the kernel and dropped there.

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hi,
Im trying to use DirectConnect (peer2peer sharing) over draconian firewall
(almost no
ports allowed in both directions).
DC uses port 411 to comunicate with nods that shows you other users and
their
files. I managed to make a tunell for this port.
The problem is when I try to retrive any files from users. Than DC tryies to
establish
direct connection to user on ports from 410-415. How could I somehow 'catch'
this
request(SYN_SENT foo.foobar.com 41x) and forward it through ssh tunnel and
back?
Don't limit yourself to just one box, I also have another FreeBsd machine
ready to serve.
Martin



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> > Answer 2.  All the data goes into another dimension, and comes out of
> > /dev/random.

> That would be so funny... I cat /dev/random, and I get your
> files, as you delete them.  8-).

Of course you do, it is just that the bytes are in random order.

But I see that you are thinking of /dev/null as a bitbucket
for files.  Hmm... that means we can get rid of the unlink()
given an atomic rename() syscall.

    mv file1 file2 dir1 et cetera et cetera et cetera /dev/null

Neat!

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:29:39PM +0000, lg wrote:
> > In short: The data is tranfered into the kernel and dropped there.
> my source /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/mem.c [FreeBSD-4.3-RELEASE]
> says that data doesnt transfered into kernel.

I was looking into -current.
Null and *random have been seprarated in -current.

> kernel just do: (when you write to device with major 2, minor 2)
> ....
>  c = iov->iov_len;
> ....
>  iov->iov_base += c;
>  iov->iov_len -= c;
>  uio->uio_offset += c;
>  uio->uio_resid -= c;
> ....
>  [ where iov is uio->uio_iov ]
> 
>  so data doesnt go anywhere.

Sorry - you are right.
No data is copied into the kernel as it would be the job of
null_write() to do if needed.

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Hi 

I'm looking for comments on the following:

ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8
ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x9
ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x9
ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8
ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8

I've also experienced system lockups & panics.

This happens exclusively while doing:
- considerable disk I/O (buildworld) via ahc0
- watching TV via fxtv on a WinTV Primio

It feels like the datastream of the WinTV into the framebuffer (Matrox
G200 AGP) gets in the way with the data from/to the Adaptec 29160.

I ran the same systemdisk & all expansion cards in a PII-266 with Intel
chipset without any issue. The K7V is rock stable as long as I keep my
fingers from fxtv.

Suggestions on how to analyse/workaround this issue are most welcome.
Anything in the BIOS setup maybe?

Wilko


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FreeBSD freebie.xs4all.nl 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Thu Nov  1 23:47:04 CET 2001     root@freebie.xs4all.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBIE  i386

Mainboard: Asus K7V (VIA based, brandnew) with Athlon 700
           Also occured on a VIA based Abit KA7
	   (I got the Asus as the Abit died on me)

SCSI:
freebie# camcontrol devlist
<SEAGATE ST39103LC 0002>           at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0)
<TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1201 1R08>    at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass1,cd0)

dmesg:
FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Thu Nov  1 23:47:04 CET 2001
    root@freebie.xs4all.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBIE
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 700029024 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (700.03-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x621  Stepping = 1

Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PA
T,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
  AMD Features=0xc0400000<AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
real memory  = 268353536 (262064K bytes)
avail memory = 257622016 (251584K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc038f000.
Preloaded elf module "agp.ko" at 0xc038f09c.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
Using $PIR table, 8 entries at 0xc00f15e0
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
agp0: <VIA 82C691 (Apollo Pro) host to PCI bridge> mem 0xe4000000-0xe7ffffff
at
device 0.0 on pci0
pcib2: <VIA 82C598MVP (Apollo MVP3) PCI-PCI (AGP) bridge> at device 1.0 on
pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib2
pci1: <Matrox MGA G200 AGP graphics accelerator> at 0.0 irq 11
isab0: <VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge> at device 4.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <VIA 82C686 ATA66 controller> port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on
pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
uhci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 5 at device 4.2 on
pci
0
usb0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 4.3 on
pci
0
usb1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xa400-0xa43f irq 5 at device
9.0 on
 pci0
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:08:09:b7:41
miibus0: <MII bus> on xl0
nsphy0: <DP83840 10/100 media interface> on miibus0
nsphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
pcm0: <ESS Solo-1E> port
0x8800-0x8803,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x940f,0x9800-0x980f
,0xa000-0xa03f irq 15 at device 10.0 on pci0
ahc0: <Adaptec 29160 Ultra160 SCSI adapter> port 0x8400-0x84ff mem
0xe0000000-0x
e0000fff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0
aic7892: Ultra160 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs
ahc1: <Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter> port 0x8000-0x80ff mem
0xdf800000-0xdf80
0fff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0
aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
bktr0: <BrookTree 878> mem 0xe2000000-0xe2000fff irq 5 at device 13.0 on
pci0
iicbb0: <I2C generic bit-banging driver> on bti2c0
iicbus0: <Philips I2C bus> on iicbb0 master-only
iicsmb0: <I2C to SMB bridge> on iicbus0
smbus0: <System Management Bus> on iicsmb0
smb0: <SMBus general purpose I/O> on smbus0
smbus1: <System Management Bus> on bti2c0
smb1: <SMBus general purpose I/O> on smbus1
bktr0: Hauppauge Model 61204 AMA
bktr0: Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Philips PAL I tuner.
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x109e, dev=0x0878) at 13.1 irq 5
pcib1: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib1
orm0: <Option ROMs> at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xcbfff,0xd4000-0xd47ff
on
isa0
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0
psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: <System console> on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200>
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 5 flags 0x20 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Polled port
unknown: <PNP0400> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0501> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0501> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0700> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0f13> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0c01> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0000> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0303> can't assign resources
ad0: 29188MB <ST330630A> [59303/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66
Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s2a
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <SEAGATE ST39103LC 0002> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing
Enabled
da0: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C)
cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
cd0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1201 1R08> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device
cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present


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I have two 3com 3c589 10BT pc cards.  As vanilla as they come.

In a previous thread, I described how a bit of pccard.conf mumbo jumbo made 
it possible for me to get both cards up and running in 4.3-RELEASE.  It was 
explained to me that pccard.conf is deprecated, and that two pcmcia nics 
should "just work".

I then asked how to do it the old way, and it was suggested:

>Set the following sysctls at boot time:
>hw.pcic.intr_path="1"
>hw.pcic.irq="0"

Unfortunately, this does not solve the problem - the second 3com pcmica card 
still produces the dreaded "no card in database for null null" even though 
it is identical to the first card that comes up just fine.

I have _no preference_ about doing this with the deprecated pccard.conf 
method, or whatever, but I need to be able to use two 3com 3C589 cards in 
freeBSD 4.4.

Anyone have any ideas how to get this working ?

thanks,

Joesh


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I broke out a really old card to make a cheap solution work, and
now I'm confused.  It's an old 3c509 ISA card, which has been set
to 0x300, irq 5.  Those don't conflict, so no issue there.

Building a kernel with "device ep0" found it, but didn't like it
because it wasn't at the default IRQ 10.  So, I rebuilt a kernel
with

device          ep0     at isa? port 0x300 irq 5

Here's where my confusion came in, I get this in dmesg:

ep0 at port 0x300 irq 5 on isa0
ep0: Ethernet address 00:20:af:6a:d8:d6
ep1: <3Com 3C509-TP EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
ep1: No irq?!
ep1: ep_alloc() failed! (6)
device_probe_and_attach: ep1 attach returned 6

ep0 seems to work ok, and there is no ep1.  I'm not sure why it's
auto-looking for an additional card.  If I leave the 0 off:

device	ep	at isa? port 0x300 irq 5

config barfs, even though the default is "device ep".

I get the feeling that if I set this via config I'd be ok, but I don't
have easy access to the console of this particular machine.

I'm sure I'm missing something really simple, but how can I set
ep0 in the kernel config and not get an ep1 along with it?
Alternatives (eg, loader.conf or something) would be fine, I know
nothing about that.

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> ep0 at port 0x300 irq 5 on isa0
> ep0: Ethernet address 00:20:af:6a:d8:d6
> ep1: <3Com 3C509-TP EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
> ep1: No irq?!
> ep1: ep_alloc() failed! (6)
> device_probe_and_attach: ep1 attach returned 6

Set the card to whatever settings you desire using the 3c5x9cfg util (get
it from ftp.3com.com etc.)

Don't use hints (if this is FreeBSD 4 or -CURRENT)

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Leo Bicknell wrote:
> 
> I broke out a really old card to make a cheap solution work, and
> now I'm confused.  It's an old 3c509 ISA card, which has been set
> to 0x300, irq 5.  Those don't conflict, so no issue there.
> 
> Building a kernel with "device ep0" found it, but didn't like it
> because it wasn't at the default IRQ 10.  So, I rebuilt a kernel
> with
> 
> device          ep0     at isa? port 0x300 irq 5
> 
> Here's where my confusion came in, I get this in dmesg:
> 
> ep0 at port 0x300 irq 5 on isa0
> ep0: Ethernet address 00:20:af:6a:d8:d6
> ep1: <3Com 3C509-TP EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
> ep1: No irq?!
> ep1: ep_alloc() failed! (6)
> device_probe_and_attach: ep1 attach returned 6
> 
> ep0 seems to work ok, and there is no ep1.  I'm not sure why it's
> auto-looking for an additional card.  If I leave the 0 off:

It has been a while since I setup my 3C509 but what I remember is
having to turn off PNP on the card.

Kent

> 
> device  ep      at isa? port 0x300 irq 5
> 
> config barfs, even though the default is "device ep".
> 
> I get the feeling that if I set this via config I'd be ok, but I don't
> have easy access to the console of this particular machine.
> 
> I'm sure I'm missing something really simple, but how can I set
> ep0 in the kernel config and not get an ep1 along with it?
> Alternatives (eg, loader.conf or something) would be fine, I know
> nothing about that.
> 
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can someone please check this out, it makes "head -n" about five
times faster.  (also nukes a 'register', sorry :))


cvs diff: Diffing .
Index: head.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.bin/head/head.c,v
retrieving revision 1.10
diff -c -r1.10 head.c
*** head.c	28 Aug 1999 01:01:58 -0000	1.10
--- head.c	2 Nov 2001 08:18:07 -0000
***************
*** 131,146 ****
  void
  head(fp, cnt)
  	FILE *fp;
! 	register int cnt;
  {
! 	register int ch;
  
! 	while (cnt && (ch = getc(fp)) != EOF) {
! 			if (putchar(ch) == EOF)
! 				err(1, "stdout");
! 			if (ch == '\n')
! 				cnt--;
! 		}
  }
  
  void
--- 131,147 ----
  void
  head(fp, cnt)
  	FILE *fp;
! 	int cnt;
  {
! 	char *cp;
! 	int error, readlen;
  
! 	while (cnt && (cp = fgetln(fp, &readlen)) != NULL) {
! 		error = fwrite(cp, sizeof(char), readlen, stdout);
! 		if (error != readlen)
! 			err(1, "stdout");
! 		cnt--;
! 	}
  }
  
  void


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Hello

# please Cc: to me in reply time. because, i doesn't subscribe
# in to hackers and current.

There is a little problem in ports build on current, and I send an
email to you with its having been the function that you committed to
because the cause seemed to be lib function of current.

include/string.h cvslog:
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---
1.8 Wed Oct 10 2:19:09 JST 2001 UTC by ache
Implement strcasestr() which many others (f.e. Linux) already have
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---

Ports mail/mew2 has that problem, in current

ports build error message:
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---
mewls.c:128: conflicting types for `strcasestr'
/usr/include/string.h:86: previous declaration of `strcasestr'
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---

It is reported in ports-jp@jp.freebsd.org that there is the problem
that mewls.c which this ports includes don't build.
If Linux has the same problems in build of mew2, mew2 should solve it
as a problem of mew2. But he had the report that he had on to build
without a problem with Linux (gcc-2.95.4 or 3.0.2, glibc-2.2.4, PPC
etc...) in a mew-dist mailing list (This is a thing for Mew develop-
ment. http://www.mew.org/).

That report said, Linux's /usr/include/string.h
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---
#ifdef __USE_GNU
/* Similar to `strstr' but this function ignores the case of both strings.  */
extern char *strcasestr (__const char *__haystack, __const char *__needle)
     __THROW __attribute_pure__;
#endif
---8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<------8<---

This seems to be the prototyping that becomes effective when special
definitions of __USE_GNU is done. On this account a problem seems not
to have been caused by general program in that this prototyping was
not referred to, and mewls.c can build.
In implementation with current, even if you implemented it for the
reason that Linux included, there is the problem that behavior is
different from Linux in about prototyping reference.

I consider a method to solve this problem shuts up this function
in a cage of special definitions similar to __USE_GNU of Linux,
or remove it.
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:36:04 +0900, NINOMIYA Hideyuki wrote:

> In implementation with current, even if you implemented it for the
> reason that Linux included, there is the problem that behavior is
> different from Linux in about prototyping reference.

1) Our strcasestr() implementation is not related to Linux that way.
2) Program must not prototype by itself system-wide functions and should 
relay on system headers instead.
3) Programs which not follows rule #2 must be fixed by removing 
prototypes in question from their headers.

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:21:22AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:

I forgot to mention that I had the same config running fine
on the same Abit MB using 4.3-stable.

And that PII-266 is a VIA chipset of some sort, not an Intel like I
write below

Wilko

> Hi 
> 
> I'm looking for comments on the following:
> 
> ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8
> ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
> ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x9
> ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
> ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x9
> ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
> ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8
> ahc0: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase
> ahc0: PCI error Interrupt at seqaddr = 0x8
> 
> I've also experienced system lockups & panics.
> 
> This happens exclusively while doing:
> - considerable disk I/O (buildworld) via ahc0
> - watching TV via fxtv on a WinTV Primio
> 
> It feels like the datastream of the WinTV into the framebuffer (Matrox
> G200 AGP) gets in the way with the data from/to the Adaptec 29160.
> 
> I ran the same systemdisk & all expansion cards in a PII-266 with Intel
> chipset without any issue. The K7V is rock stable as long as I keep my
> fingers from fxtv.
> 
> Suggestions on how to analyse/workaround this issue are most welcome.
> Anything in the BIOS setup maybe?
> 
> Wilko
> 
> 
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Hi,

>>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 12:01:19 +0300
>>>>> "Andrey A. Chernov" <ache@nagual.pp.ru> said:

ache> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:36:04 +0900, NINOMIYA Hideyuki wrote:

> In implementation with current, even if you implemented it for the
> reason that Linux included, there is the problem that behavior is
> different from Linux in about prototyping reference.

ache> 1) Our strcasestr() implementation is not related to Linux that way.
ache> 2) Program must not prototype by itself system-wide functions and should 
ache> relay on system headers instead.
ache> 3) Programs which not follows rule #2 must be fixed by removing 
ache> prototypes in question from their headers.

I think nin said that having strcasestr() in our standard header
breaks existing program.  That is, our header seems not confirm
standard.  Mew2 could be compiled even on Linux which has
strcasestr().

Sincerely,

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I didn't see anything like this in the archives, so I'm sending this to
the questions list and hackers list for assistance.

I am running FreeBSD 4.3 on a L440GX+ motherboard with dual PCI buses: 32/33
and 32/66 dual Pentium III @ 700MHz with 256KB L2 cache.
The system is running in Uniprocessor mode. Although running the
tests on FreeBSD 4.1 has not caused the problem.

My problem:
I have an application that reads from a SCSI bus, and forwards the
SCSI CDB's to another system over TCP. When running a large load the
system gets SCSI bus device reset's that the application acknowledges
and clears an error bit. After a period of time, in this example about
2.5 hours, the system stops processing any SCSI CDB's. In DDB the ps
output show 11 runnable process, p_wchan == 0, and curproc points to one
of the processes.

However, when checking the run queues via gdb, none of the runnable
processes is in a run queue. According to rtqueuebits, queuebits, and
idqueuebits, only queue[12] has any runnable processes. Examing the
proc structures for the runnable processes, their priority is 6, so they
should be in queue[6]. I cannot determine anything obvious in the process
scheduling code, but something is happening.


I am attaching the system dmesg output from boot to taking the system dump,
the ddb output on the serial console, and the output from gdb of the process'
stack trace and proc structure.

If anyone needs more information just ask and I'll try to get it for you.

Does anyone believe upgrading to FreeBSD 4.4 would resolve the problem?

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We jp.FreeBSD.org daily SNAPSHOTs project please to announce the
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(1) Hostname change to 'snapshots.jp.FreeBSD.org'.

Our old service host, current.jp.FreeBSD.org does provide both
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So I decided to rename to our service host to 'snapshots.jp.FreeBSD.org'.

If you already know what CURRENT.jp.FreeBSD.org is, please keep in
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(2) Three new PCs for the service.

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>On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:21:22AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
>
>I forgot to mention that I had the same config running fine
>on the same Abit MB using 4.3-stable.

In 4.3-stable, we ignored the parity errors due to a logic bug.

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In message <20011102022333.L15052@elvis.mu.org>, Alfred Perlstein cleopede:
>can someone please check this out, it makes "head -n" about five
>times faster.  (also nukes a 'register', sorry :))

I'm curious--does using fgetln here always result in a win, or just
with short lines?  I'm thinking of the impact of realloc and memcpy
on speed.

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 07:26:48AM -0700, Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
> >On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:21:22AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> >
> >I forgot to mention that I had the same config running fine
> >on the same Abit MB using 4.3-stable.
> 
> In 4.3-stable, we ignored the parity errors due to a logic bug.

Eh.. somehow this worries me :-/  I have not experienced data corruption
that I know of. 

Would an experiment with a 2940 iso a 29160 be worthwhile?

W/

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Hi,

I believe that this is the same problem I have booting the 4.4 on my
notebook: everthing is all right using 4.3 stable, but it is impossible =
to
boot it using a 4.4 kernel and the solution proposed by Warner Losh did =
not
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source tree. So, now, I'm using the old but STABLE 4.3 on my notebook!
Probably it is a strange bug, but it is an effective bug!

Regards

Lorenzo

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* Greg Shenaut <greg@bogslab.ucdavis.edu> [011102 08:42] wrote:
> In message <20011102022333.L15052@elvis.mu.org>, Alfred Perlstein cleopede:
> >can someone please check this out, it makes "head -n" about five
> >times faster.  (also nukes a 'register', sorry :))
> 
> I'm curious--does using fgetln here always result in a win, or just
> with short lines?  I'm thinking of the impact of realloc and memcpy
> on speed.

Ugh, I should have checked that, my guess is that performance
isn't going ot be much worse, if there is a real problem
I'll rework it some more, possibly using fread instead of
fgetln.

-- 
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 start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.'
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On Friday 02 November 2001 00:21, Wilko Bulte wrote:
[snip problem description]
> I ran the same systemdisk & all expansion cards in a PII-266
> with Intel chipset without any issue. The K7V is rock stable
> as long as I keep my fingers from fxtv.
>
> Suggestions on how to analyse/workaround this issue are most
> welcome. Anything in the BIOS setup maybe?
>

Sorry, no idea how to fix this, but I saw a very similar problem 
under Linux while writing a driver for a data-acquisition board. 
On a K7M (AMD chipset) I couldn't access the on-board memory 
reliably, but using an INTEL chipset and CPU everything worked 
just fine. Your report makes me think that there's a generic bug 
in the Athlon and not a problem in the chipsets, which is what I 
originally suspected.

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:52:28AM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> On Friday 02 November 2001 00:21, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> [snip problem description]
> > I ran the same systemdisk & all expansion cards in a PII-266
> > with Intel chipset without any issue. The K7V is rock stable
> > as long as I keep my fingers from fxtv.
> >
> > Suggestions on how to analyse/workaround this issue are most
> > welcome. Anything in the BIOS setup maybe?
> >
> 
> Sorry, no idea how to fix this, but I saw a very similar problem 
> under Linux while writing a driver for a data-acquisition board. 
> On a K7M (AMD chipset) I couldn't access the on-board memory 
> reliably, but using an INTEL chipset and CPU everything worked 
> just fine. Your report makes me think that there's a generic bug 
> in the Athlon and not a problem in the chipsets, which is what I 
> originally suspected.

It appears things are more complicated than that. I have swapped
the Adaptec 29160 for a 2940UW. I am now running continous buildworlds,
a 'dd' of the SCSI disk and fxtv in parallel. 

This appears to work like a charm until now. I'll let it run and
see what develops

Wilko

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>It appears things are more complicated than that. I have swapped
>the Adaptec 29160 for a 2940UW. I am now running continous buildworlds,
>a 'dd' of the SCSI disk and fxtv in parallel. 
>
>This appears to work like a charm until now. I'll let it run and
>see what develops

I bet you the aic7892 on the 29160 does larger bursts than the 7880
on the 2940UW.  This isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:24:59PM -0700, Justin T. Gibbs wrote:
> >It appears things are more complicated than that. I have swapped
> >the Adaptec 29160 for a 2940UW. I am now running continous buildworlds,
> >a 'dd' of the SCSI disk and fxtv in parallel. 
> >
> >This appears to work like a charm until now. I'll let it run and
> >see what develops
> 
> I bet you the aic7892 on the 29160 does larger bursts than the 7880
> on the 2940UW.  This isn't quite an apples to apples comparison.

Oh, I was not claiming it is a comparison. It is just an attempt to
understand what is going on. 

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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:21:22AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention that I had the same config running fine
> on the same Abit MB using 4.3-stable.
>
> And that PII-266 is a VIA chipset of some sort, not an Intel like I
> write below
>
> Wilko

Hm, I'm not sure if the Via pci-bad-settings patch to the ata driver was
mfc'd yet.  Perhaps more than onboard IDE and SB Lives are affected?

Mike "Silby" Silbersack


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On Friday, November 02, 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > I'm curious--does using fgetln here always result in a win, or just
> > with short lines?  I'm thinking of the impact of realloc and memcpy
> > on speed.
> 
> Ugh, I should have checked that, my guess is that performance
> isn't going ot be much worse, if there is a real problem
> I'll rework it some more, possibly using fread instead of
> fgetln.

   Well, fgetln should probably be quicker than fread, due to the
fact that fgetln will buffer the next incoming line and return a
pointer into the stdio internal buffer, while fread has to copy
out N times into a separate buffer (also from the read buffer).

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Thanks to all who had suggestions.  Turned out the card had tossed
it's cookies, rerunning the 3com setup showed bogus values for the
port and IRQ, and simply resetting it and rebooting fixed the
problem.

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:50:07 -0500, Thomas David Rivers wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:36:04 +0900, NINOMIYA Hideyuki wrote:
> > 
> > > In implementation with current, even if you implemented it for the
> > > reason that Linux included, there is the problem that behavior is
> > > different from Linux in about prototyping reference.
> > 
> > 1) Our strcasestr() implementation is not related to Linux that way.
> > 2) Program must not prototype by itself system-wide functions and should 
> > relay on system headers instead.
> > 3) Programs which not follows rule #2 must be fixed by removing 
> > prototypes in question from their headers.
> 
>  What about the ANSI standard regarding polluting the user's
>  name space?

Use standard way - #define _ANSI_SOURCE to switch them off, as for other
FreeBSD extensions in that area (see string.h)

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 22:01:13 +0900, Hajimu UMEMOTO wrote:
> I think nin said that having strcasestr() in our standard header
> breaks existing program.  

Existen programs must be ported to FreeBSD first.

> That is, our header seems not confirm
> standard.  

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All those functions clearly marked as Nonstandard extensions in
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> Thanks to all who had suggestions.  Turned out the card had tossed
> it's cookies, rerunning the 3com setup showed bogus values for the
> port and IRQ, and simply resetting it and rebooting fixed the
> problem.

For the archives; this is -very- common for the 3c509; when it doubt
always refresh settings with the 3c5x9cfg.exe utility.

I've got code in my tree that adds checksum verification support to the
driver but there are interaction issues with PCCARD attached devices.

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Hi gang,

We have a program called unifdef(1) which is a nice concept and all
but a bit dated.

In particular it doesn't understand lines like:
	#if defined(foo) || defined(bar)

Is there a volunteer who would attempt to add the unifdef functionality
to cpp ?

There are plenty of files in the tree to test on...

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:16:21PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:52:28AM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> > On Friday 02 November 2001 00:21, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > [snip problem description]
> > > I ran the same systemdisk & all expansion cards in a PII-266
> > > with Intel chipset without any issue. The K7V is rock stable
> > > as long as I keep my fingers from fxtv.
> > >
> > > Suggestions on how to analyse/workaround this issue are most
> > > welcome. Anything in the BIOS setup maybe?
> > >
> > 
> > Sorry, no idea how to fix this, but I saw a very similar problem 
> > under Linux while writing a driver for a data-acquisition board. 
> > On a K7M (AMD chipset) I couldn't access the on-board memory 
> > reliably, but using an INTEL chipset and CPU everything worked 
> > just fine. Your report makes me think that there's a generic bug 
> > in the Athlon and not a problem in the chipsets, which is what I 
> > originally suspected.
> 
> It appears things are more complicated than that. I have swapped
> the Adaptec 29160 for a 2940UW. I am now running continous buildworlds,
> a 'dd' of the SCSI disk and fxtv in parallel. 
> 
> This appears to work like a charm until now. I'll let it run and
> see what develops

It takes a while, but then it fails: fxtv looses the picture and
cc (from the buildworld) started sig11-ing. [No, this is not then
RAM, it only happens when fxtv runs]

Seems I better loose the TVcard :-/

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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Silbersack wrote:
> Hm, I'm not sure if the Via pci-bad-settings patch to the ata driver
> was mfc'd yet.  Perhaps more than onboard IDE and SB Lives are
> affected?

Yes.  Download the latest BIOS for your VIA 82c686 based K7 board.

This fixed the problems I was observing of a similar nature.

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Hi,

  I'm having a hard time trying to install FreeBSD on a IBM PC330 server
(dual MP motherboard with one Pentium Pro 200Mhz, 96Mb RAM, AIC-7880P SCSI
chipset directly connected to the SCSI array with 3 x IBM 4Gb disks and an 
IBM SCSI CDROM, no ServeRAID controller).

  Whenever I boot (either from floppy or from CDROM) the kernel hangs on
"Waiting 15seconds for disks to settle" (no CapsLock/NumLock response).
Booting verbose yelds no significant messages (it gets to the
"noperif:ahc0:0:-1:-1" message and hangs).

  I have been able to succefully install RedHat and Debian Linux on the
machine; NetBSD boots too (though I haven't yet tried to install). It's
clear something is wrong with the FreeBSD drivers.

  Searching the mailling lists I saw other people accuse the very same
problem. Is there anything it can be done ? Any way I can help debug this
issue ?

 Thank you,
 Ady (@warpnet.ro)
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On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:40:28AM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Silbersack wrote:
> > Hm, I'm not sure if the Via pci-bad-settings patch to the ata driver
> > was mfc'd yet.  Perhaps more than onboard IDE and SB Lives are
> > affected?
> 
> Yes.  Download the latest BIOS for your VIA 82c686 based K7 board.
> 
> This fixed the problems I was observing of a similar nature.

Well, I am at the latest rev Asus has up for ftp (rev 1007).

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On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:40:28AM -0500, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Mike Silbersack wrote:
> > > Hm, I'm not sure if the Via pci-bad-settings patch to the ata driver
> > > was mfc'd yet.  Perhaps more than onboard IDE and SB Lives are
> > > affected?
> >
> > Yes.  Download the latest BIOS for your VIA 82c686 based K7 board.
> >
> > This fixed the problems I was observing of a similar nature.
>
> Well, I am at the latest rev Asus has up for ftp (rev 1007).
>
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Soren has said in the past that some companies only apply the patch if a
SB Live is detected.  You may wish to try pulling in the patch from
ata-pci.c (look for "VIA '686b southbridge fix applied\n") and see if it
helps you at all.

Mike "Silby" Silbersack


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In some email I received from Arjan de Vet, sie wrote:
> Darren Reed wrote:
> 
> >In some email I received from Arjan de Vet, sie wrote:
> >> I wrote similar patches (see http://home.iae.nl/users/devet/freebsd/)
> >> trying to fix more or less the same bugs/problems.
> >> 
> >> Maybe it's a good idea if Giorgos and I together come up with 1 'big'
> >> ipfilter /etc/rc.* and rc.conf.5 patch which includes the best parts of
> >> both our patches?
> >
> >That sounds like a good plan.
> 
> OK, updated patches for stable and current are available from:
> 
> 	http://home.iae.nl/users/devet/freebsd/
> 
> I include the README here:
[...]

How is this progressing ?

Darren

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