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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:18:45AM +0100, Søren Schmidt stood up and spoke:
> > Is the 0x03051106 the KT133A? I guess so. Well, since I seem to have the
> > KT133 (without the A), I guess my values would be fairly useless...
> > However, if I'm wrong and the 0x03051106 *is* the KT133 that I have, I will
> > certainly post pciconf output!
>
> Its the KT133 with or without the A :) its the revid that tells them apart
Sounds like another VIA idea ;-) Anyway, here's my pciconf output (which
somehow looks different from what you posted yesterday as an example). I've
also included my dmesg.boot below once again - I hope that this helps you
verify that my chip is indeed the kind of chip from which you wanted the
values ;-)
root@poison> pciconf -r -b pci0:0:0 0x0:0xff
0x00000006 0x00000011 0x00000005 0x00000003
0x00000006 0x00000000 0x00000010 0x00000022
0x00000003 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000006
0x00000000 0x00000008 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000008 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x000000d0
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x000000a0 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000016 0x000000f4 0x0000006b 0x000000b4
0x00000047 0x0000000a 0x00000030 0x00000030
0x000000ee 0x00000080 0x00000010 0x00000010
0x00000020 0x00000020 0x00000030 0x00000030
0x0000003f 0x0000003a 0x00000000 0x00000020
0x000000d4 0x000000d4 0x000000d4 0x000000c4
0x00000010 0x0000000c 0x00000065 0x0000002d
0x00000008 0x0000007f 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x000000de 0x00000088 0x000000cc 0x0000000c
0x0000000e 0x00000083 0x000000e2 0x00000000
0x00000001 0x000000b4 0x00000019 0x00000002
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x0000000f 0x000000c0 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000080 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000002 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000032 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000002 0x000000c0 0x00000020 0x00000000
0x00000013 0x00000002 0x00000000 0x0000001f
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x0000006f 0x00000022 0x00000010 0x00000063
0x000000db 0x00000063 0x0000002a 0x00000070
0x00000011 0x000000ff 0x00000010 0x0000000f
0x00000027 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000001 0x00000000 0x00000002 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000003 0x00000003 0x00000000
0x00000022 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00000000 0x00000080 0x00000000 0x00000000
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root@poison.ncptiddische.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JODIE
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 996633567 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) processor (996.63-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x642 Stepping = 2
Features=0x183f9ff
AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
real memory = 805240832 (786368K bytes)
avail memory = 779374592 (761108K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0366000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
Using $PIR table, 8 entries at 0xc00fdba0
npx0: on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: on motherboard
pci0: on pcib0
pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: on pcib1
pci1: at 0.0 irq 11
isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0: on isab0
atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pci0: at 7.2 irq 10
pci0: at 7.3 irq 10
chip1: at device 7.4 on pci0
pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe003,0xdc00-0xdcff irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0
bktr0: mem 0xdc001000-0xdc001fff irq 10 at device 16.0 on pci0
iicbb0: on bti2c0
iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only
smbus0: on bti2c0
bktr0: Hauppauge Model 44354 C221
bktr0: Detected a MSP3415D-B3 at 0x80
bktr0: Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Philips FR1216 PAL FM tuner, msp3400c stereo, remote control.
pci0: (vendor=0x109e, dev=0x0878) at 16.1 irq 10
ed0: port 0xe800-0xe81f irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0
ed0: address 00:20:18:2f:42:2d, type NE2000 (16 bit)
orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xcbfff on isa0
fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold
ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP
Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0:
ppbus0: MLC,PCL,PML
lpt0: on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ad0: 57241MB [116301/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4
acd1: CD-RW at ata1-slave using PIO4
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
Greetings
Nils
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 10:44:31PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>=20
> Ok, there's packet loss. From this extract you can see
> that the client receives through sequence 641, then the
> next packet it receives starts at sequence 993.
>=20
> 15:28:09.879928 transwarp.tao.org.uk.telnet > genius.tao.org.uk.kpop: P 6=
09:641(32) ack 64 win 33304 8399> (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:09.881926 transwarp.tao.org.uk.telnet > genius.tao.org.uk.kpop: P 9=
93:1025(32) ack 64 win 33304 68402> (DF) [tos 0x10]
>=20
> If you look at the server you can see the (tiny) packets
> being transmitted:
>=20
> 15:28:18.255648 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 609:641(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.255775 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 641:673(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.255864 genius.kpop > transwarp.telnet: . ack 97 win 33288 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.255955 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 673:705(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256084 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 705:737(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256223 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 737:769(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256351 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 769:801(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256479 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 801:833(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256607 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 833:865(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256734 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 865:897(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.256884 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 897:929(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.257011 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 929:961(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.257138 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 961:993(32) ack 64 win =
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.258068 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 993:1025(32) ack 64 win=
33304 (DF) [tos 0x10]
> 15:28:18.258221 transwarp.telnet > genius.kpop: P 1025:1057(32) ack 64 wi=
n 33304 (DF) [tos 0x10
>=20
> The first one is through 641. The server then sends 11 packets
> (641 through 993) that the client misses completely. The
> next packet the client sees is the 993:1025 packet.
>=20
> So there is nothing wrong with the TCP protocol. The question
> now is whether this is packet loss due to the physical layer
> or whether it is a queueing problem. What kind of network
> cards do these machines have and what kind of switching
> infrastructure is between them?
No switching infrastructure. It's a 10mb/s half duplex ethernet
network, with two hubs between the two machines.
> One thing that doesn't make sense is that the client
> is responding to each packet with its own ack but
> the server doesn't see the acks until it finishes
> transmitting a big stream of data packets. This
> implies half-duplex operation.
Yes, it is half-duplex.
Joe
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:No switching infrastructure. It's a 10mb/s half duplex ethernet
:network, with two hubs between the two machines.
:
:...
:
:Yes, it is half-duplex.
:
:Joe
I think there may be a problem with your hub setup (e.g. exceeding the
hub count or end-to-end length limitations) that is either resulting
in packet loss, or the packet burst is locking up the ethernet long
enough to cause a timeout. The problem looks very much like an
unrecognized collision to me.
I recommend replacing the hubs with switches. The whole topology will
be happier.
-Matt
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:17:39AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
=20
> I think there may be a problem with your hub setup (e.g. exceeding the
> hub count or end-to-end length limitations) that is either resulting
> in packet loss, or the packet burst is locking up the ethernet long
> enough to cause a timeout. The problem looks very much like an
> unrecognized collision to me.=20
I'll try cutting some of the intermediate infrastructure out and see if
that helps.
> I recommend replacing the hubs with switches. The whole topology will
> be happier.
Of course. I've not found a well priced switch though. (on a budget).
Thanks for helping me with this. I'll get back once I've reduced the
network to something smaller.
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:I'll try cutting some of the intermediate infrastructure out and see if
:that helps.
:
:> I recommend replacing the hubs with switches. The whole topology will
:> be happier.
:
:Of course. I've not found a well priced switch though. (on a budget).
:
:Thanks for helping me with this. I'll get back once I've reduced the
:network to something smaller.
:
:Joe
I use cheap 8 and 16-port netgear switches mostly. But even a little
5-port switch may work for you, at least to start, to split your one
logical segment into five.
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:32:34AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :I'll try cutting some of the intermediate infrastructure out and see if
> :that helps.
> :
> :> I recommend replacing the hubs with switches. The whole topology =
will
> :> be happier.
> :
> :Of course. I've not found a well priced switch though. (on a budget).
> :
> :Thanks for helping me with this. I'll get back once I've reduced the
> :network to something smaller.
> :
> :Joe
>=20
> I use cheap 8 and 16-port netgear switches mostly. But even a little
> 5-port switch may work for you, at least to start, to split your one
> logical segment into five.
There's not a lot of traffic on this side of the network, so hubs aren't
too bad.
Ok, this is the topology:
laptop ---- [upstairs 10base hub]-----[Downstairs 10base hub] -----|
|
DSL ~~~~~~[Alcatel Router] ----- [FXP server FXP] -----|
I get the same problem if I plug the laptop directly into the downstairs
hub, and also if I plug it into the router (which has four hub ports on
it). The server is configured as an ethernet bridging firewall.
I think that it is extremely unlikely that the network infrastructure is
failing in the same way when I plug into three different parts of it.
Also, I didn't used to have this problem even with the came cabling.
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:>=20
:> I use cheap 8 and 16-port netgear switches mostly. But even a little
:> 5-port switch may work for you, at least to start, to split your one
:> logical segment into five.
:
:There's not a lot of traffic on this side of the network, so hubs aren't
:too bad.
:
:Ok, this is the topology:
:
:
:laptop ---- [upstairs 10base hub]-----[Downstairs 10base hub] -----|
: |
: DSL ~~~~~~[Alcatel Router] ----- [FXP server FXP] -----|
:
:I get the same problem if I plug the laptop directly into the downstairs
:hub, and also if I plug it into the router (which has four hub ports on
:it). The server is configured as an ethernet bridging firewall.
:
:I think that it is extremely unlikely that the network infrastructure is
:failing in the same way when I plug into three different parts of it.
:Also, I didn't used to have this problem even with the came cabling.
:
:Joe
:...
Well, the amount of traffic isn't the problem. You have three hubs,
one of them being the Alcatel. Hmm. It's within what you are allowed
to do with HUBs but I don't trust it. I would either replace the
downstairs hub with a switch, or I would do this:
[upstairs]-----[downstairs-small-switch]
| |
| |
down alcatel
stairs router...
hub
|
(other stuff)
It would also be a good idea to test the laptop more directly,
by connecting the FXP server to a switch and then connecting the
laptop directly to the same switch.
The problem with HUBs is collision detection latency, but even a
collision occuring locally (i.e. between two downstairs machines)
can screw up the whole net if the hub configuration goes out of spec.
Collision detection problems often rear their ugly heads with small
packets, because the ethernet controllers don't even get 'late collision'
errors.
-Matt
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 12:38:59PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> Well, the amount of traffic isn't the problem. You have three hubs,
> one of them being the Alcatel. Hmm. It's within what you are allowed
> to do with HUBs but I don't trust it. I would either replace the=20
> downstairs hub with a switch, or I would do this:
You've misunderstood the topology slightly. The server has two fxp
interfaces, one is connected to the DSL router, and the other is
connected to a hub which is chained to another hub.
The router is also an unused hub.
> It would also be a good idea to test the laptop more directly,
> by connecting the FXP server to a switch and then connecting the
> laptop directly to the same switch.
I've connected the laptop to the both of the server's fxps, in the first
case using the combinations of the upstairs and downstairs hub, and in
the later case via the hub on the router on the other side. I get
exactly the same behaviour. This to me says that it's not the hubs.
To test it further I'll build an ethernet crosser cable and plug the
laptop directly into the server. That'll settle it.
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:I've connected the laptop to the both of the server's fxps, in the first
:case using the combinations of the upstairs and downstairs hub, and in
:the later case via the hub on the router on the other side. I get
:exactly the same behaviour. This to me says that it's not the hubs.
:To test it further I'll build an ethernet crosser cable and plug the
:laptop directly into the server. That'll settle it.
:
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What kind of ethernet does the laptop have?
-Matt
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Dobre rano
I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, or if it's intentional,
or what... but an archive made with `tar' does not include any
whiteouts. As far as I can see, neither does `pax'. Which is
great if I want to get the deleted files back, but...
Is there a way to archive a directory that contains whiteouts
without losing them? I can't seem to get anything to work.
(Not that I *need* to, I'm just curious...)
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Not so long ago, I pondered...
> So I just now went back into -current and used `newfs -N' with
> different parameters, and as far as I could see, in fact, the
> new defaults of -b 16384 -f 2048 that the man pages referred to
> several times were not in effect.
I think I know what's happening. That partition I tried to newfs
already had fsize and bsize in the disklabel, and those values
were (re)used. Another partition I re-newfs'ed had zero in the
disklabel, though they had been earlier newfs'ed with the old
defaults, so when I tried to newfs this one, I got the new defaults
instead, as promised by the man page.
> So, is there a good reason why the -stable and -current man pages
> for newfs do not seem to match the reality of what the program does?
I think the man pages need to be enhanced to make mention of what
happens with non-zero disklabel values. In rereading the man pages
in both -stable and -current, I got no obvious hint that this made
any difference. I probably should have known better, but...
In particular, I'd suggest wording similar to what follows, to make
this more clear:
-b block-size
The block size of the file system, in bytes. It must be a power
of 2. The default size is 16384 bytes, and the smallest allow-
able size is 4096 bytes. If the disklabel contains a non-zero
bsize, that value will be used unless a different value is
explicitly specified. The optimal block:fragment ratio is
8:1. Other ratios are possible, but are not recommended, and may
produce unpredictable results.
[...]
-f frag-size
The fragment size of the file system in bytes. It must be a
power of two ranging in value between blocksize/8 and blocksize.
The default is 2048 bytes. If the disklabel contains a non-
zero fsize, that value will be used unless a different value
is specified.
[...]
(From the -current man page for newfs: )
EXAMPLES
newfs /dev/ad3s1a
Creates a new ufs file system on ad3s1a. If the disklabel values for
bsize and fsize are zero, newfs will use a block size of 16384 bytes,
a fragment size of 2048 bytes and the largest possible number of
cylinders per group. These values tend to produce better performance
for most applications than the historical defaults (8192 byte block
size and 1024 byte fragment size). This large fragment size may lead to
large amounts of wasted space on filesystems that contain a large number
of small files. Otherwise, newfs will use the existing disklabel values
of bsize and fsize for the block size and fragment size respectively.
Assuming that this does reflect reality. I'm sure someone with a much
better grip on the english language than I can state it far more
succinctly, just as someone with a much better grip on newfs than I
could far more accurately describe reality.
thanks
barry bouwsma
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Mike Smith wrote:
> > I've done most of the gruntwork of making AIO a loadable system.
> >
> > I'd appreciate some feedback and testing, especially since I know
> > of no programs which use AIO.
>
> Where's the demand-load of the aio module? Are you going to trap ENOSYS
> in the libc side of things?
Please, no.
There is so much "goo" around the module loading these days; there
are incursions into "mount" and all sorts of other programs that
should not know about module loading.
Either load it by hand/at startup, or generalize the mechanism by
adding a data page to modules to describe what they provide, and
then present default fault handlers for the classes of services
so that the kernel can do the demand-loading (if necessary).
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Terry Lambert writes:
> There is so much "goo" around the module loading these days; there
> are incursions into "mount" and all sorts of other programs that
> should not know about module loading.
The kldload(2) interface alone is enough to make me cringe. The way
in which it locates a module to load appears to be black magic.
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 04:36:25PM -0300, Joao Carlos wrote:
> Is there any way to create routes using only the source information on the
> packets?
man ipfw, specifically the section on 'ipfw fwd'.
ipfw fwd changes nexthop, thus it can be used for policy routing.
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unfortunatly Bill, he wants to combile it with bridging
(policy bridging?) and luigi never installed fwd or divert
on the bridge ipfw hook..
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> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 04:36:25PM -0300, Joao Carlos wrote:
> > Is there any way to create routes using only the source information on the
> > packets?
>
> man ipfw, specifically the section on 'ipfw fwd'.
>
> ipfw fwd changes nexthop, thus it can be used for policy routing.
>
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> Terry Lambert writes:
> > There is so much "goo" around the module loading these days; there
> > are incursions into "mount" and all sorts of other programs that
> > should not know about module loading.
>
> The kldload(2) interface alone is enough to make me cringe. The way
> in which it locates a module to load appears to be black magic.
What part of searching a path for a matching file is "black magic"?
Shells have been doing this for decades...
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Hi,
I have tried this too, it makes absoutely no difference at all. My mallocs
fail after a certain no. of runs of my code(and there is no memory leak),
and there was no difference by increasing MAXDSIZ/DFLDSIZ.
Thanks,
Anjali
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> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 04:45:33PM +0530, Anjali Kulkarni wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can any one tell me how to increase the default kernel memory limit?
ie., the memory from which mallocs occur(from kmem_map). I tried making the
VM_KMEM_SIZE option to the maximum(200M), but it didnt seem to have any
effect:(. M/c memory is 1GB.
>
> Look at LINT: options MAXDSIZ/MAXSSIZ/DFLDSIZ
>
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:I'm going to blame the USB ethernet driver for dropping packets; Thomas
:Zenker has been reporting similar problems on -net. He says that he did
:not have problems with packet loss with 4.3, but has not been able to
:track down what changed. Maybe you could compare notes with him and see
:what you can come up with.
:
:Mike "Silby" Silbersack
new-reno was artifically limiting the max number of in-transit
packets to 4. This is probably why the USB ethernet worked
with 4.3, but it destroyed TCP performance for everything else
and was removed.
I don't think there is kernel solution to the USB problems, short
of fixing the driver (if that's even possible). The packets are
being sent from the server and the only thing the client has
control over is the receive window advertisement. You could artifically
reduce the window advertisement on the client to deal with lots of small
packets but it would destroy performance for larger packets / data
streams.
-Matt
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:Hi,
:
:I have tried this too, it makes absoutely no difference at all. My mallocs
:fail after a certain no. of runs of my code(and there is no memory leak),
:and there was no difference by increasing MAXDSIZ/DFLDSIZ.
:
:Thanks,
:Anjali
MAXDSIZ and DFLDSIZ are associated with USER malloc()s, not
kernel malloc()s.
If you are trying to use malloc() in kernel code there are some
rather severe limits. 'vmstat -m' will give you a rundown on the
statistics.
KVM is only 1G, and a lot of is used-up. You cannot allocate
(directly map) hundreds of megabytes of kernel memory.
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Mike Smith writes:
> > Terry Lambert writes:
> > > There is so much "goo" around the module loading these days; there
> > > are incursions into "mount" and all sorts of other programs that
> > > should not know about module loading.
> >
> > The kldload(2) interface alone is enough to make me cringe. The way
> > in which it locates a module to load appears to be black magic.
>
> What part of searching a path for a matching file is "black magic"?
>
> Shells have been doing this for decades...
%%%
/*
* Load /boot/kernel/procfs.ko
* XXX: why does this work?
*/
chdir("/");
kldload("procfs");
/*
* Load /boot/kernel/procfs.ko
* XXX: why does this work?
*/
chdir("/");
kldload("procfs.ko");
/*
* Load /boot/kernel/procfs.ko
*/
kldload("/boot/kernel/procfs.ko"); /* Proper interface */
/*
* Move procfs.ko from /boot/kernel to /tmp, then load the copy in /tmp.
*/
system("/bin/mv /boot/kernel/procfs.ko /tmp");
chdir("/tmp");
kldload("procfs.ko"); /* XXX: this doesn't work. */
%%%
If that's not black magic, I'd like to know what is. I'd like to
refer you to the kldload(2) manual, but unfortunately it doesn't
document how kldload(2) works. :(
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