From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Apr 1 5:40:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA5C37B71C; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 05:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f31Ce4w05940; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:40:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:40:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: SLOT 1 <-> FC-PGA converter in DUAL-SMP systems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs. We use with great success and with reliability TYAN's Thunder 2500 mainboard (2x 866MHz) for our server box. We wish to upgrade this machine with to 1000 MHz Intel PIII CPUs within the next months. As we know, this mainboard has two SLOT 1 for CPUs and the most Intel-launched CPUs today are FC-PGA types. My first though was to obtain high quality (but from whom?) Slot 1 to FC-PGA converters as offered by several vendors but in the past I read much about high frequency/impedance problems with CPUs in such converter boards, especially for dual SMP systems. Has anyone experiences with such converters in DUAL-SMP boxes and CPUs >933 MHz? Can you name me please some high quality vendors of such boards? Thanks. Oliver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Apr 1 15:23:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3i239.cruzio.com [205.179.211.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C18837B71B; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f31MC7u00385; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200104012212.f31MC7u00385@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: movsl generic_bcopy hang using NSC GX Geode CPU Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org System hangs on "rep movsl" in "generic_bcopy()" in "i386/i386/support.s" using NSC Geode (586) CPU. Not sure exactly what list is most appropriate, "hardware" and "small" seemed best. Using: OS: custom picoBSD (not one of the standard PICOBSD conf files) built on latest 4.3 RC cvsupped as of this weekend (end of March 2001). Problem has been completely solid over last month using 4.3 Beta, don't know about earlier versions. Hardware: NatSemi Geode GX 8.1 CPU (300 Mhz) on a National Semiconductor Centaurus "reference/development" motherboard (aka a Geode SP4GX00). PicoBSD must be built with a "cpu I586_CPU" option to run on this board. Problem: Pressing backspace (or delete, or cntrl-H) on the console with even number of text characters on the display line hangs the CPU. System/network otherwise runs fine. Backspace when using telnet into the system always works fine. Problem has never been reproduced under any other circumstances except console backspace with even number of cmd-line (or display-line) chars. The machine hangs on the "rep movsl" instruction in "generic_bcopy" (called via "bcopy_toio()" in syscons code "sc_vtb_copy()/scvtb.c" to scroll screen image). The code-block _will_ work if the equivalent "rep movsb" code is used instead of a movsl, _OR_ the unmodified "rep movsl" can be made to work if an immediately prior byte-wise scan has been made of the movsl source/dest buffers (just a for-loop *p++ before the "bcopy_toio()". The code path is routinely used w/o problems; when the "backspace-on-odd" problem occurs the input arguments appear `normal' although I have not attempted to check related buffer alloc/memory mapping... both the "from" and "to" addresses are often word (not longword) aligned, apparently without ill effect (the CR0 Alignment Check bit is set on in "locore.s" at system init and stays on). On an ASUS Pentium III motherboard this problem does not occur with the "same" picoBSD system (identical except built with cpu "I686_CPU"). I have not been able to detect any machine/interrupt activity after this instruction, but I am only using a post-code board (don't have a logic analyzer or ICE). This all suggests a mid--rep-instruction fault-failure scenario...? But... any additional advice, hints, directions, configs I've probably missed, etc., most welcome. I'm just going to live with the work-around for just know instead of chase it all the way down, maybe later... Work-around Fix: In routine "ENTRY(generic_bcopy)" in "i386/i386/support.s" remove the movsl longword copy optimization and just let the "rep movsb" do it all: ------------------------------- --- old_support.s Sun Apr 1 14:19:07 2001 +++ support.s Sun Apr 1 14:54:45 2001 @@ -450,12 +450,14 @@ cmpl %ecx,%eax /* overlapping && src < dst? */ jb 1f +#if 0 shrl $2,%ecx /* copy by 32-bit words */ cld /* nope, copy forwards */ rep movsl movl 20(%esp),%ecx andl $3,%ecx /* any bytes left? */ +#endif rep movsb popl %edi ------------------------------- Advice, insight, and help most appreciated! - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Apr 1 21:17:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8032837B71A; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00088; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:17:08 +1000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:15:55 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: "Bruce R. Montague" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: movsl generic_bcopy hang using NSC GX Geode CPU In-Reply-To: <200104012212.f31MC7u00385@mail.cruzio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Bruce R. Montague wrote: > System hangs on "rep movsl" in "generic_bcopy()" in > "i386/i386/support.s" using NSC Geode (586) CPU. > ... > Problem: Pressing backspace (or delete, or cntrl-H) > on the console with even number of text characters > on the display line hangs the CPU. System/network > otherwise runs fine. Backspace when using telnet > into the system always works fine. Problem has > never been reproduced under any other circumstances > except console backspace with even number of cmd-line > (or display-line) chars. > > The machine hangs on the "rep movsl" instruction in > "generic_bcopy" (called via "bcopy_toio()" in > syscons code "sc_vtb_copy()/scvtb.c" to scroll screen > image). The code-block _will_ work if the equivalent > "rep movsb" code is used instead of a movsl, _OR_ > the unmodified "rep movsl" can be made to work if > an immediately prior byte-wise scan has been made > of the movsl source/dest buffers (just a for-loop > *p++ before the "bcopy_toio()". > > The code path is routinely used w/o problems; when > the "backspace-on-odd" problem occurs the input > arguments appear `normal' although I have not > attempted to check related buffer alloc/memory > mapping... both the "from" and "to" addresses are > often word (not longword) aligned, apparently without > ill effect (the CR0 Alignment Check bit is set on > in "locore.s" at system init and stays on). Alignment Check is only active at non-kernel privilege, and then only when enabled in eflags. > ... > This all suggests a mid--rep-instruction fault-failure > scenario...? But... any additional advice, hints, > ... I think it is more likely to be an alignment and/or access problem, caused by a combination of hardware and software bugs. Syscons shouldn't use generic_bcopy to access hardware. Note that it already knows not to use bcopy for hardware accesses. It abuses the implementation detail `generic_bcopy' on i386's and uses the unusual bcopy_{from,to}_io functions on other machines. It should use the bus space functions on all machines, but then it would have the problem of determining the ones with the correct width and/or alignment and/or highest efficiency (at least on alphas, the bcopy_{from,to}_io functions give the largest chance of working and the lowest efficiency by using a width of 1). However, frame buffers are supposed to look like ordinary memory. However2, video device memory has caused problems before: - syscons used to use plain bcopy in a few places. This caused problems when bcopy is i586_bcopy (which does 8-byte wide accesses). - pcvt still says that some chipsets have problems with even 16-bit accesses and uses bcopyb (byte copy) to access font memory. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 2 11: 1:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cair.stonehenge-net.com (dsl081-053-197.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.53.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362B537B718 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@stonehenge-net.com) Received: from stonehenge-net.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cair.stonehenge-net.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f32I1rH00461 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@stonehenge-net.com) Message-ID: <3AC8BE87.8070803@stonehenge-net.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:01:43 -0700 From: Ben Calvert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RC i386; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010225 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: fdisk, eject, and castlwood orb drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i think i got over enthusiastic here... i brought my new orb drive home, hooked it up, put the disk in, and tried to format it as ufs... which didn't work. using sysinstall, fdisk wrote out the table, but disklabel always says "error mounting /dev/ad1s1e on /orb". i tried to do it manually, with similar results. has anyone had more success? oh - eject doesn't like it either: bash-2.04$ /usr/local/sbin/eject /dev/ad1 eject: No such file or directory am i going to have to install dos somewhere on this machine just to use this drive ?:( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 2 14:24:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com (chifw.quakeroats.com [207.122.210.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304ED37B71B; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Scott_Thompson@quakeroats.com) Received: by chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Thompson, Scott" To: "'Hartmann, O.'" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SLOT 1 <-> FC-PGA converter in DUAL-SMP systems Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:26:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i believe that a-bit makes a dual pIII FPGA motherboard. this would eliminate the need for the bridges. -----Original Message----- From: Hartmann, O. [mailto:ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:40 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SLOT 1 <-> FC-PGA converter in DUAL-SMP systems Dear Sirs. We use with great success and with reliability TYAN's Thunder 2500 mainboard (2x 866MHz) for our server box. We wish to upgrade this machine with to 1000 MHz Intel PIII CPUs within the next months. As we know, this mainboard has two SLOT 1 for CPUs and the most Intel-launched CPUs today are FC-PGA types. My first though was to obtain high quality (but from whom?) Slot 1 to FC-PGA converters as offered by several vendors but in the past I read much about high frequency/impedance problems with CPUs in such converter boards, especially for dual SMP systems. Has anyone experiences with such converters in DUAL-SMP boxes and CPUs >933 MHz? Can you name me please some high quality vendors of such boards? Thanks. Oliver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 3 8: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from logatome.francenet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D9337B71E for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e-masson@kisoft-services.com) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Nantes10.francenet.net [193.149.110.74]) by logatome.francenet.fr (8.10.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f33F0Ak30342 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:00:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C34BE6CD0; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:52:09 +0200 (CEST) To: Mailing List FreeBSD Hardware Subject: Perle SX cards (Specialix) & cpu requirements From: Eric Masson Date: 03 Apr 2001 16:52:08 +0200 Message-ID: <86lmpirq7b.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Specialix multiport serial SX cards are driven by si(4). Main use will be ppp dialout & dialin (ppp(8)). Is a 486DX4/100 sufficient to handle an 8 port version of the card or should I get a more powerful CPU ? TIA Eric Masson -- CF : Tu vois l'intérêt d'en faire tourner une sous WinCE ? PAD: L'écran bleu ? SP : Voilà. Une sorte de "Game over" aléatoire, en fait... + SP in Guide du Macounet Pervers : Playstation II c plus fort que toi+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 3 21: 1:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.noos.fr (claudel.noos.net [212.198.2.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400FA37B71B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clefevre@poboxes.com) Received: (qmail 3412559 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2001 04:01:22 -0000 Received: from d165.dhcp212-198-231.noos.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.231.165]) (envelope-sender ) by claudel.noos.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Apr 2001 04:01:22 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3441fJ70990; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:01:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from clefevre@poboxes.com) To: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" Cc: "Graywane" , Subject: nvidia vs. radeon (was Re: Questions regarding new computer purchase.) References: <20010329210534.A2016@home.com> <001901c0b8de$1b3543e0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre In-Reply-To: <001901c0b8de$1b3543e0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Sender: clefevre-lists@noos.fr From: Cyrille Lefevre Date: 04 Apr 2001 06:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" writes: > 3. GeForce 2 cards are available in several favours : > - SDRAM or DDR RAM > - MX, GTS or Ultra Chipset > - 32Mb or 64Mb > - Any of these are supported by XFree86, FreeBSD support is not > really an issue. supported in 2d but not in 3d until the linux nvidia driver is ported to freebsd. that what I understood. how about the radeon chip from ATI ? is it well supported in 2d ? in 3d ? Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@poboxes.com UNIX is user-friendly; it's just particular work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr about who it chooses to be friends with. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 3 21:12: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DA937B719 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garycor@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010404041206.CSFF10447.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:12:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3ACA9F54.17403AFD@home.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:13:08 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrille Lefevre Cc: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" , Graywane , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nvidia vs. radeon (was Re: Questions regarding new computer purchase.) References: <20010329210534.A2016@home.com> <001901c0b8de$1b3543e0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > how about the radeon chip from ATI ? is it well supported in 2d ? in 3d ? I got an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon card working in 2D using XFree86 4.02. I have not used it much yet, so I don't know if there are any subtle problems, but for running KDE and doing simple things it was fine. I believe 3D is not yet supported on this new ATI chip. Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 4 1: 5:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from relay.tpu.ru (relay.tpu.ru [212.192.99.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E8637B719 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 01:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pg@ie.tusur.ru) Received: from tcde-gw.tpu.ru (tcde-gw.tpu.ru [195.208.172.240]) by relay.tpu.ru (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3483aR15758 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:03:45 +0800 Received: from cedar.ie.tusur.ru (cedar [192.168.100.1]) by tcde-gw.tpu.ru (8.11.1/Cedar1_MH) with ESMTP id f348FFS02123 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:15:21 +0800 (TSD) (envelope-from pg@ie.tusur.ru) Received: from willow (willow.ie.tusur.ru [212.192.122.73]) by cedar.ie.tusur.ru (8.9.3/Cedar1_MH) with SMTP id QAA89031 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:05:11 +0800 (TSD) (envelope-from pg@ie.tusur.ru) Message-ID: <000d01c0bce6$4cfb2000$497ac0d4@ie.tusur.ru> From: "Pavel Gubin" To: Subject: ATA problems on MicroStar MS6340M KM-133 SocketA motherboard Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:04:48 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've encountered a problem running misc FreeBSD releases on MS6340M M/B. System: Microstar MS6340M SocketA Athlon/Duron uATX motherboard - KM133 chipset north bridge=VT8365 (~KT133 + integrated S3 Savage SVGA on chip), south bridge=VT62C686B UATA100 Award BIOS v6.0; versions tried: 2.8, 4.0 (tried with external S3 Trio3D/2X AGP - no difference) Athlon 700 SocketA CPU (replacing with Duron 700 makes no difference) 64M PC133 Samsung DIMM (8M used for videobuffer if using integrated video) Fujitsu MPF3102AT 10Gb UATA66 drive (1st controller, UATA66 cable) (replacing with Quantum Fireball CR43A013 4.3Gb UATA66 makes no significant difference) Philips PCA362CDA 36x CD-ROM (2nd controller, standard cable) Previous variant of system: All devices but motherboard are the same; M/B - Gigabyte GA7ZM SocketA KT133+VT82C686A (UDMA66), SVGA - S3 Trio3D/2X AGP FreeBSD versions tried: 4.2-RELEASE, 4.3-RC, 5.0-CURRENT 1. FreeBSD (all versions) doesn't sense if UATA66 drive connected to UATA66 controller by a non-ATA66 cable (whereas BIOS senses), which leads to ICRC errors and falling back to PIO mode. 2. Strange transfer rates measured by iozone 2.01 (200Mb file on 700Mb /tmp filesystem mounted async, 8192b chunks) - write/read, Mb/s: UDMA mode: ---------- MS6340M --------- GA7ZM BIOS v2.8 BIOS v4.0 4.2 ~22/23(*) ~5/17(*) ~22/23 4.3 ~ 7/23 ~4/14 ~ 7/23 5.0 ~ 7/23 ~4/14 ~ 7/23 PIO mode: all combinations of FreeBSD/BIOS gives xfer rate ~7-8 Mb/s write/read (at 100% CPU load...) (*) 4.2 was slightly hacked to limit UDMA to UDMA33 mode, because working in UDMA66 leads to ICRC errors and fallback to PIO; this problem only appears with 4.2-RELEASE running on MS6340M; 4.3/5.0 on MS6340M and all versions on GA7ZM runs without errors, (**) Forcing drive to be UATA33 (using Fujitsu's firmware modification utility) changes nothing; using Quantum drive instead of Fujitsu changes maximum xfer rates (~14 Mb), but essentially situation remains the same, including ICRC on 4.2+MS6340M (***) CDROM drive works with errors when in UDMA mode on MS6340M, whereas on GA7ZM it works OK. So, the question: can I (or anybody else) do with this stuff to make it work properly? Thanks in advance, /pg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 4 9:38:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424D737B71F for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34GcYw53430 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:38:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:38:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Subject: SCSI HDD problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs. On one machine I changed today an Adaptec 2940UW with Adaptec 2949U2W. Both controllers worked with FreeBSD in the same server long time before, but with several different harddrivedisks. Last week we changed a machine's drives and I got a spare IBM DDRS 39130D 8,5 GB LVD disk. This disk is now attached to the Adaptec 2940U2W controller. The box is a FreeBSD 4.3-RC2 SMP box. The kernel starts the normal way, but when initializing the SCSI bus there occurs an error, a lot of errors about 'untagged' statements and several 'SCB 3 3 4 ...' statements occur. I can not dump this, it's to fast on the screen. End of this procedure is a reboot of the kernel. I tried a GNERERIC kernel and tried to start a single user mode session because I think there is a problem with the tagged queuing command cache of the disks 9I would like to disable it, but it seems to be impossible). On the other hand, maybe the controller is damaged but it worked before well with other LVD disks (IBM DNES ...). Is there a trick to start the SCSI system without enabling tagged queuing command caches ? Oliver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 4 22:42:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397AF37B424 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F247158EB9; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c0bd93$b1329be0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: "Pavel Gubin" Cc: References: <000d01c0bce6$4cfb2000$497ac0d4@ie.tusur.ru> Subject: Re: ATA problems on MicroStar MS6340M KM-133 SocketA motherboard Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:45:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Read the following : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=96095+102310+/usr/local/www/db/t ext/2001/freebsd-hardware/20010325.freebsd-hardware http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=104519+106764+/usr/local/www/db/ text/2001/freebsd-hardware/20010401.freebsd-hardware and I don't know why 4.3-RC solved the problem, still waiting for a "higher wisdom" to enlighten me. Regards, Kulraj Gurm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel Gubin" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:04 AM Subject: ATA problems on MicroStar MS6340M KM-133 SocketA motherboard > Hello, > > I've encountered a problem running misc FreeBSD releases on MS6340M M/B. > > System: > Microstar MS6340M SocketA Athlon/Duron uATX motherboard - KM133 chipset > north bridge=VT8365 (~KT133 + integrated S3 Savage SVGA on chip), > south bridge=VT62C686B UATA100 > Award BIOS v6.0; versions tried: 2.8, 4.0 > (tried with external S3 Trio3D/2X AGP - no difference) > Athlon 700 SocketA CPU (replacing with Duron 700 makes no difference) > 64M PC133 Samsung DIMM (8M used for videobuffer if using integrated video) > Fujitsu MPF3102AT 10Gb UATA66 drive (1st controller, UATA66 cable) > (replacing with Quantum Fireball CR43A013 4.3Gb UATA66 makes no > significant difference) > Philips PCA362CDA 36x CD-ROM (2nd controller, standard cable) > > Previous variant of system: > All devices but motherboard are the same; > M/B - Gigabyte GA7ZM SocketA KT133+VT82C686A (UDMA66), > SVGA - S3 Trio3D/2X AGP > > FreeBSD versions tried: 4.2-RELEASE, 4.3-RC, 5.0-CURRENT > > 1. FreeBSD (all versions) doesn't sense if UATA66 drive connected > to UATA66 controller by a non-ATA66 cable (whereas BIOS senses), > which leads to ICRC errors and falling back to PIO mode. > > 2. Strange transfer rates measured by iozone 2.01 (200Mb file on > 700Mb /tmp filesystem mounted async, 8192b chunks) - write/read, Mb/s: > > UDMA mode: ---------- MS6340M --------- GA7ZM > BIOS v2.8 BIOS v4.0 > 4.2 ~22/23(*) ~5/17(*) ~22/23 > 4.3 ~ 7/23 ~4/14 ~ 7/23 > 5.0 ~ 7/23 ~4/14 ~ 7/23 > > PIO mode: all combinations of FreeBSD/BIOS gives xfer rate > ~7-8 Mb/s write/read (at 100% CPU load...) > > (*) 4.2 was slightly hacked to limit UDMA to UDMA33 mode, because > working in UDMA66 leads to ICRC errors and fallback to PIO; > this problem only appears with 4.2-RELEASE running on MS6340M; > 4.3/5.0 on MS6340M and all versions on GA7ZM runs without errors, > (**) Forcing drive to be UATA33 (using Fujitsu's firmware modification > utility) changes nothing; using Quantum drive instead of Fujitsu > changes maximum xfer rates (~14 Mb), but essentially situation > remains the same, including ICRC on 4.2+MS6340M > (***) CDROM drive works with errors when in UDMA mode on MS6340M, > whereas on GA7ZM it works OK. > > > So, the question: can I (or anybody else) do with this stuff to > make it work properly? > > Thanks in advance, > /pg > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 4 22:47:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FFF37B43E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 84E1C158EB9; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01c0bd94$5abfc2a0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: "Cyrille Lefevre" Cc: "Graywane" , References: <20010329210534.A2016@home.com><001901c0b8de$1b3543e0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> Subject: Re: nvidia vs. radeon (was Re: Questions regarding new computer purchase.) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:50:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This should help answer some of your questions : http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.3/Status22.html#22 http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.3/Status6.html#6 I have very little experience running 3D applications on FreeBSD. So can't really answer your query fully. Regards, Kulraj Gurm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrille Lefevre" To: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" Cc: "Graywane" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: nvidia vs. radeon (was Re: Questions regarding new computer purchase.) > "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" writes: > > > 3. GeForce 2 cards are available in several favours : > > - SDRAM or DDR RAM > > - MX, GTS or Ultra Chipset > > - 32Mb or 64Mb > > - Any of these are supported by XFree86, FreeBSD support is not > > really an issue. > > supported in 2d but not in 3d until the linux nvidia driver is ported > to freebsd. that what I understood. > > how about the radeon chip from ATI ? is it well supported in 2d ? in 3d ? > > Cyrille. > -- > home: mailto:clefevre@poboxes.com UNIX is user-friendly; it's just particular > work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr about who it chooses to be friends with. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 7 9:40:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04A037B43E for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id f37Ge7K09860; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:40:07 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f37GbcA16138; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:37:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:37:38 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: xpert@xfree86.org Subject: which pci 3d accelerator card to choose for XFree86-4 Message-ID: <20010407183738.A14928@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RC SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ! I'm looking for a fast *PCI* graphic adapter with 32 MB memory for my old SMP machine which only has a PCI bus. Which is the fastest card and offers best graphic acceleration=20 for XFree86-4 (4.0.3) ? Cards I saw are with GTS 2 MX chipset and Voodoo4 4500 chip. Which is preferable concerning XFree86 support and speed ? Prefereable would be suggestions about cards with video out and which are still buyable ;-) Andreas /// --=20 Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 4.2 SMP Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6z0JRd3o+lGxvbLoRAurpAJ46BlJHYFxBGdeM4SwI2DtLbMyiKwCfUREu ch+3219ijP4fHz3XE5/W+E0= =Dsnm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 7 10:34: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.dpmms.cam.ac.uk (smtp.dpmms.cam.ac.uk [131.111.24.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0992537B422; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.c.aitchison@dpmms.cam.ac.uk) Received: from [131.111.24.245] (helo=harrier.dpmms.cam.ac.uk ident=exim) by rhea.dpmms.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 14lway-000311-00; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:33:56 +0100 Received: from werdna (helo=localhost) by harrier.dpmms.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.01 #2) id 14lwb2-0000V0-00; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:34:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:34:00 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Andrew C Aitchison To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, xpert@xfree86.org Subject: Re: [Xpert]which pci 3d accelerator card to choose for XFree86-4 In-Reply-To: <20010407183738.A14928@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanner: exiscan *14lway-000311-00*wPD0twMUf4k* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I'm looking for a fast *PCI* graphic adapter with 32 MB memory > for my old SMP machine which only has a PCI bus. The 3dLabs glint Oxygen VX1 that came with my SGI flat panel is PCI, and has 32MB memory. As well as the digital video connector, it has a standard VGA output, which I have verified works with XFree86. I haven't done any timing tests with it, but I believe that 3d acceleration is not yet supported, so you might not call it fast. -- Dr. Andrew C. Aitchison Computer Officer, DPMMS, Cambridge A.C.Aitchison@dpmms.cam.ac.uk http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 7 12:22:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C3037B42C; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joeo@cracktown.com) Received: from localhost (joeo@localhost) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04533; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:22:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: To: Andreas Klemm Cc: , Subject: Re: which pci 3d accelerator card to choose for XFree86-4 In-Reply-To: <20010407183738.A14928@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For a PCI bus 3D card that mostly works today on FreeBSD and uses XFree86-4.0.x pick up a PCI bus Voodoo4. One of a couple of different web sites that talk about getting it up and running is at... http://www.teleport.com/~anholt/devel/dri/ You could also try asking around on "freebsd-multimedia" The only other card that had some working 3D support for FreeBSD in XF4.0.2 was the G400, but the DMA mechanisms that the DRI architecture uses in that version of XFree86 pretty much require that it be an AGP card. On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I'm looking for a fast *PCI* graphic adapter with 32 MB memory > for my old SMP machine which only has a PCI bus. > > Which is the fastest card and offers best graphic acceleration > for XFree86-4 (4.0.3) ? > > Cards I saw are with GTS 2 MX chipset and Voodoo4 4500 chip. > Which is preferable concerning XFree86 support and speed ? > > Prefereable would be suggestions about cards with video out > and which are still buyable ;-) > > Andreas /// > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 7 15:32: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from speedus.com (saturn.speedus.net [63.251.16.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621F837B422 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benf@nexgen.com) Received: from nexgen.com (p18-95.dialup.speedus.net [63.251.18.95]) by speedus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04556; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ACF9519.3040109@nexgen.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:30:49 -0400 From: Benjamin Flom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thompson, Scott" Cc: "'Hartmann, O.'" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SLOT 1 <-> FC-PGA converter in DUAL-SMP systems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We sell Slot 1 -> FCPGA convertor boards. They are of high quality and have worked flawlessly to date. x86 Computers LLC PO Box 350201 Brooklyn, New York 11235-0201 Phone: (800) 986-3713 Facsimile: (800) 986-3714 mail@x86computers.com Thompson, Scott wrote: > i believe that a-bit makes a dual pIII FPGA motherboard. this would > eliminate the need for the bridges. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartmann, O. [mailto:ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 7:40 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: SLOT 1 <-> FC-PGA converter in DUAL-SMP systems > > > Dear Sirs. > > We use with great success and with reliability TYAN's Thunder 2500 > mainboard (2x 866MHz) for our server box. We wish to upgrade this > machine with to 1000 MHz Intel PIII CPUs within the next months. > As we know, this mainboard has two SLOT 1 for CPUs and the most > Intel-launched CPUs today are FC-PGA types. My first though was to > obtain high quality (but from whom?) Slot 1 to FC-PGA converters as > offered by several vendors but in the past I read much about high > frequency/impedance problems with CPUs in such converter boards, > especially for dual SMP systems. > > Has anyone experiences with such converters in DUAL-SMP boxes and > CPUs >933 MHz? Can you name me please some high quality vendors of > such boards? > > Thanks. > > Oliver > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message