From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 10 20:13: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.runbox.com (pluto.runbox.com [193.71.199.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3F937B40B for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dapf@runbox.com) Received: from [216.219.32.225] (helo=a) by pluto.runbox.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 159I6v-0003Ww-00 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: <002701c0f224$eb40f0a0$0200a8c0@a> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Diego_A._Puertas_Fern=E1ndez?= To: Subject: 3com Winmodem Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:16:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello list I have a 3com/US Robotics modem, the 3CP263594A-OEM, and I want to install it on a FreeBSD 4.3 box, but a friend has told me that the modem is a WinModem and it only works with Windows. Is that true? and if it is, why can't FreeBSD, or Linux, or any other UNIX, work with it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 2:44:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6785037B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 02:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:44:14 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9C7D@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Diego_A=2E_Puertas_Fern=E1ndez=27?= Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 3com Winmodem Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:44:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have a 3com/US Robotics modem, the 3CP263594A-OEM, and I > want to install > it on a FreeBSD 4.3 box, but a friend has told me that the modem is a > WinModem and it only works with Windows. > If FreeBSD does not detect it as a serial port it is probably a winmodem. Get yourself an external (non-usb) modem and you'll be all happy. They have pretty flashing lights too, so you can see what's going on on the wire. > > Is that true? and if it is, why can't FreeBSD, or Linux, or > any other UNIX, work with it. > Because the manufacturers do not release the hardware specs to open source developers. This is a FAQ by the way, so search the mailing list archives before posting questions like this. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 8:40:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.hei.net (salmon.hei.net [209.222.163.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C63C337B40A for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@hei.net) Received: (qmail 33582 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 15:40:47 -0000 Received: from trout.hei.net (HELO trout) (209.222.163.131) by salmon.hei.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 15:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c0f356$8a9c25c0$83a3ded1@hei.net> From: "John Hengstler" To: Subject: Hardware search Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:44:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Is there such a device/adapter on the market that will take a serial dumb terminal and convert it to Ethernet to allow to be connected to a hub.....Similar device is a print server (transforms a parallel port to Ethernet(network))... Thanks in advance... John Hengstler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 11:35: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from odin.wrath.net (024man167.chartermi.net [24.213.24.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0537B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ircd@wrath.com) Received: from danrc ([192.168.1.2]) by odin.wrath.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2172.1); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: Subject: Digital Subscriber Lines Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:34:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 18:40:24.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[248AF5E0:01C0F36F] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought I'd ask here before I wandered the web finding every piece of information but what I want. How many conductors does DSL use? Telephones only use two, is this the case with DSL as well? Is there anything special about a DSL cable? Is it just generic RJ12 or even worse, RJ11? I've never seen DSL (I've got cable internet access and DSL isn't offered here yet) and I don't know if they want to run a "special" wire for DSL. (If another imbecile swiss-cheeses my house and then zigzags, coils, and weaves a "special" generic RG6 cable like the cable man did, he's going to get an earful). Why am I asking? I just finished running Category5 and RG6 throughout my house and now it's time to start dinking around with the telephone lines from the consumer interface (the box strapped on the side of your house) to my patch panel. Thanks for your time -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 11:40:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08C537B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5CIeKr37134; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:40:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Brian" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:34:39 EDT." <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:40:20 +0200 Message-ID: <37132.992371220@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net>, "Brian" writes: >I thought I'd ask here before I wandered the web finding every piece of >information but what I want. > >How many conductors does DSL use? Telephones only use two, is this the case >with DSL as well? Yes. DSL is supposed to run on the already installed phone connection. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 11:59:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from odin.wrath.net (024man167.chartermi.net [24.213.24.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8365337B403 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ircd@wrath.com) Received: from danrc ([192.168.1.2]) by odin.wrath.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2172.1); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01c0f371$c7da7250$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: References: <37132.992371220@critter> Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 19:05:02.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[953BF610:01C0F372] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" To: "Brian" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines > In message <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net>, "Brian" writes: > >I thought I'd ask here before I wandered the web finding every piece of > >information but what I want. > > > >How many conductors does DSL use? Telephones only use two, is this the case > >with DSL as well? > > Yes. > > DSL is supposed to run on the already installed phone connection. > I was just curious, because I saw DSL installed at a house once. They ran a wire through the crawlspace and put a new RJ12 wallplate on the wall (There was already a RJ12 wallplate about four feet away) and then used some kind of goofy converter to hook up the DSL modem. I couldn't get in behind the rat's nest of wires to see what this contraption consisted of and the wire on the outside of the house was in conduit. I thought it was rather peculiar because this house was only around ten years old and had RJ12 run throughout. Thanks for your prompt response -Brian > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 12: 0:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7AF37B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8EB3618D9; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D1018D8; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: John Hengstler Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hardware search In-Reply-To: <000b01c0f356$8a9c25c0$83a3ded1@hei.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there such a device/adapter on the market that will take a serial dumb > terminal and convert it to Ethernet to allow to be connected to a > hub.....Similar device is a print server (transforms a parallel port to > Ethernet(network))... They make do it yourself adapters for just that thing. Use to use them to connect Wyse Terminals to SCO boxes. :) You just need to know the correct wiring... Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 12:23:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F137B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vze2j9fk@verizon.net) Received: from Skip (adsl-141-150-208-199.delval.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.150.208.199]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA41765696 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <200106121923.TAA41765696@smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:26:13 -0400 From: Skip To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net>; from ircd@wrath.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:34:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > How many conductors does DSL use? Telephones only use two, is this the case > with DSL as well? Yes - 2 conductors. It's delivered over your phone line so it uses the same wires. - -- Skip ID: 0xC776B889 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAjsmbMEACgkQxmxWbMd2uIlthgCdGJcsNd9IFjt7RbozBBIZvCfn DvQAoLlTKskP6abduI9D2KE2h35yOe9E =jEUr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 13:31: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.hei.net (salmon.hei.net [209.222.163.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D09DD37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@hei.net) Received: (qmail 35491 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 20:31:00 -0000 Received: from trout.hei.net (HELO trout) (209.222.163.131) by salmon.hei.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 20:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c0f37f$15d8cda0$83a3ded1@hei.net> From: "John Hengstler" To: "Rick Hamell" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Hardware search Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:34:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The terminals are Wyse terminals, but I don't want to hook them directly to the server, but convert the serial to Ethernet like an external print server.... We have remote locations that dial into a box (serially), but I would rather connect through a network (inet) and use them on a telnet basis.... I am not actually sure a device exists, but thought I would put the question out there. Wyse has the Winterm suites which has tcp/ip enabled in the firmware, but we have a good 500 dumb terminals (Wyse 50), that would have to be converted which could be somewhat cost prohibitive to buy new/used winterms. John Hengstler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Hamell" To: "John Hengstler" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Hardware search > > > Is there such a device/adapter on the market that will take a serial dumb > > terminal and convert it to Ethernet to allow to be connected to a > > hub.....Similar device is a print server (transforms a parallel port to > > Ethernet(network))... > > They make do it yourself adapters for just that thing. Use to use > them to connect Wyse Terminals to SCO boxes. :) You just need to know the > correct wiring... > > Rick > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 14:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB83837B407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) Received: from banks.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (banks [129.215.144.55]) by rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13574; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:52:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from richard@localhost) by banks.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id WAA21367; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:52:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:52:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200106122152.WAA21367@banks.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> From: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines To: "Brian" , In-Reply-To: Brian's message of Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:59:17 -0400 Organization: just say no Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was just curious, because I saw DSL installed at a house once. They ran a > wire through the crawlspace and put a new RJ12 wallplate on the wall (There > was already a RJ12 wallplate about four feet away) and then used some kind > of goofy converter to hook up the DSL modem. There's a splitter that separates the plain telephone audio frequencies from the higher frequencies used for the data connection. The high-frequency part is then connected to the DSL modem. -- Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 12 15: 0:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C2537B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C38@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: "'Koster, K.J.'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Diego_A=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Puertas_Fern=E1ndez=27?= Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 3com Winmodem Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:07:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Koster, K.J. [mailto:K.J.Koster@kpn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:44 AM > > > Is that true? and if it is, why can't FreeBSD, or Linux, or > > any other UNIX, work with it. > > > Because the manufacturers do not release the hardware specs > to open source > developers. > > This is a FAQ by the way, so search the mailing list archives > before posting > questions like this. To be more specific. A "WinModem" is actually a crippled modem. They throw out as much hardware as possible to make it cheap, then load all the work onto your CPU. Basically, WinModems are evil. Just being connected sucks away CPU resources, where a "real" modem does all that work itself, causing no work for your CPU. Why won't it work? Because it requires that software, you know the software that does all the work on your CPU for the hardware they removed from the modem. That software is written by the modem manufacturers for Windows. And as someone else said, they don't open the binary interface to just anyone, so it's pretty hard for someone else to just whip up some software. There's a reason why these things are so incredibly cheap: they suck. :-) Though it doesn't always hold true, in this case it does so extremely well: you get what you pay for... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 13 6:11: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns5.pacific.net.au (ns5.pacific.net.au [203.143.252.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A666F37B403 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckay@thehub.com.au) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp50.dyn249.pacific.net.au [203.143.249.50]) by ns5.pacific.net.au (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03591; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:10:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5DDCXQ20923; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:12:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200106131312.f5DDCXQ20923@dungeon.home> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: mckay@thehub.com.au Subject: Problem reading multi-session CDROM Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:12:33 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a number of multi-session CDs that were burned on an NT box. All the files in session 1 are present in session 2, plus some extras. Same for session 3, and so on. Normally I can read them in my FreeBSD boxes without difficulty: the last session is visible to FreeBSD, and contains all the files. But now I've found a completely unreadable one. # mount /cdrom cd9660: /dev/acd0c: Invalid argument # This CD has two sessions. But, unlike other CDs, when I examine it with cdcontrol, it shows 3 tracks. There is an extra track (of 63 seconds) between the "real" ones. What could be in there? How do I find out? And, lastly, who do I talk to to work out how to make these things mountable? I've verified the CD is not damaged, by successfully reading every file on a Win98 box (actually a dual boot on the self same FreeBSD box that is having trouble reading it). Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 13 9:48:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C637B401; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from sexta.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.16.13] ident=exim) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15ADoo-00020U-00; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:48:34 +0300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sexta.cs.huji.ac.il ident=danny) by sexta.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 15ADon-0005Lp-00; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:48:33 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-0.24 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DELL Latitude C800, CD blues, second take Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:48:33 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, This notebook came with a fixed/internal (non removable) CD-R drive which FreeBSD 4.3-stable fails to detect, windows on the other hand likes it, it's a TEAC CD-224E. If I insert a CD drive in the 'Modular Bay', this one gets detected just fine, but the internal is still ignored, again window sees both just fine. I've placed the dmesg of both runs - with and without the removable cd-drive -so maybe someone can shed some light- in: ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/users/danny/dmesg- and ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/users/danny/dmesg+ danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 13 16:52:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.knology.net (user-24-214-63-13.knology.net [24.214.63.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EBB237B408 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@havk.org) Received: (qmail 4941 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 23:47:50 -0000 Received: from user-24-214-92-252.knology.net (HELO bsd.havk.org) (24.214.92.252) by user-24-214-63-13.knology.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 23:47:50 -0000 Received: by bsd.havk.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 031201A839; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:52:19 -0500 From: Steve Price To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: external storage Message-ID: <20010613185219.Y60043@bsd.havk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any experience with or preferences for external storage devices? I'm looking for an external box that is either SCSI or GigE that initially has about 100GB of storage but having one that is easily expandable by either adding more drives or "daisy chaining" them together would be nice. It needs to be extremely robust with multiple power supplies and all the goodies that would make it viable for a mission- critical, 24x7, has to be there datastore. It is preferable that it doesn't cost a half million dollars and be as big as my house. Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 13 19:15:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from firewall.moonworld.org (dsl-64-34-46-105.telocity.com [64.34.46.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86B937B40D for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moonhunt@moonworld.org) Received: from moonworld.org (moonhunt.moonworld.org [192.168.1.1]) by firewall.moonworld.org (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f5E2DC003861; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:13:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from moonhunt@moonworld.org) Message-ID: <3B281E33.A042A348@moonworld.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:15:15 -0500 From: HyunSeog Ryu Reply-To: r.hyunseog@ieee.org Organization: Moon world X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Digital Subscriber Lines References: <00d801c0f36e$5727c470$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------48BF91589D0126328B718614" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------48BF91589D0126328B718614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on what kind of DSL you are talking. :-) ADSL can run on normal telephone wire. So same phone line (2 conductors) can be shared with ADSL,too. Sometimes telco may put load coil to increase the signal and decrease noise. In that case, DSL line quality may decrease or unable to install. SDSL uses 2 conductors, but it is dedicated purpose. It can not be shared with phone line. HSDL uses 4 conductors. Two transmit signal, two receive signal. I didn't check the wire detailed. This is all what I know. Sometimes telco uses HDSL for T1 local loop. If I remember correctly, DSL line is same as telephone cooper line. Hyun Brian wrote: > > I thought I'd ask here before I wandered the web finding every piece of > information but what I want. > > How many conductors does DSL use? Telephones only use two, is this the case > with DSL as well? > > Is there anything special about a DSL cable? Is it just generic RJ12 or > even worse, RJ11? I've never seen DSL (I've got cable internet access and > DSL isn't offered here yet) and I don't know if they want to run a "special" > wire for DSL. (If another imbecile swiss-cheeses my house and then zigzags, > coils, and weaves a "special" generic RG6 cable like the cable man did, he's > going to get an earful). > > Why am I asking? I just finished running Category5 and RG6 throughout my > house and now it's time to start dinking around with the telephone lines > from the consumer interface (the box strapped on the side of your house) to > my patch panel. > > Thanks for your time > -Brian > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message --------------48BF91589D0126328B718614 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=EUC-KR; name="moonhunt.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for HyunSeog Ryu Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="moonhunt.vcf" begin:vcard n:Ryu;HyunSeog tel;pager:(414)557-2253 tel;fax:(262)792-7733 tel;work:(262)792-7965 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.moonworld.org/~moonhunt org:Norlight Telecommunications;Applications Engineering adr:;;275 North Corporate Drive;Brookfield;WI;53045-5818;US version:2.1 email;internet:r.hyunseog@ieee.org title:Network Engineer note;quoted-printable:nic-handile : HR201, HR201-ARIN, HR1-APNIC and work for AS#7260=0D=0A fn:HyunSeog Ryu end:vcard --------------48BF91589D0126328B718614-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 10:47:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2B537B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5EHld476755 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: APM on Dell Inspiron 7500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I suspend the machine I get the following: Jun 14 11:01:12 janus /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (00c0 != 0000). Jun 14 11:01:12 janus last message repeated 59 times Because I moved the mouse before the resume was completed. The mouse at that point no longer worked, requiring a reboot. Waiting until the first beep does solve the problem. Anyone else have this problem?? _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 12:49:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from kheops.demo.telefonica.com.pe (kheops.demo.telefonica.com.pe [200.37.84.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DE337B403; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rcc@demo.telefonica.com.pe) Received: from elcsa20008 (khephren.demo.telefonica.com.pe [200.37.84.131]) by kheops.demo.telefonica.com.pe (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5EK1Mt19875; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:01:22 -0500 (PET) Message-ID: <01bd01c0f50a$0dbf1ac0$4d01190a@tp.com.pe> From: "Richard Cotrina" To: Cc: Subject: PCCard D-Link DFE-680TXD Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:41:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all : Is the PCMCIA Ethernet Adapter D-Link DFE-680TXD supported under FreeBSD ? Anyone got it to work under FreeBSD ? Thanks for your answers, Richard Cotrina To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 18:34:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ictus.catastrophe.net [207.227.243.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26BCB37B407 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 43054 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jun 2001 01:34:23 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:34:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Reply-To: To: Cc: Eric Monti Subject: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: http://www.catastrophe.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there - A friend of mine was wondering the following.. " Have you ever run or seen run freebsd using both a SCSI and IDE hard-drive? below is the system configuration (this is apparently a system that ken might have mucked up) Adapter: adaptec ultra 160 Drive(s): seagate cheetah 18Gb also using IDE CDROM 48x drive and ultra dma 20gb drive " I suggested that he just rebuild a kernel with both SCSI and IDE support. Is there anything else he'll need to know? Thanks. Please CC as well. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 18:38:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.libam.com (094.dsl108154.surewest.net [63.108.154.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0C037B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by mail.libam.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26610; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:46:37 -0700 Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C43@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: Eric Monti Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:44:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time somebody has ever tried this. Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE CD-ROM drive falls under this category. Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. > From: uid0@catastrophe.net [mailto:uid0@catastrophe.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:34 PM > > Hello there - > > A friend of mine was wondering the following.. > > " > Have you ever run or seen run freebsd using both a SCSI and IDE > hard-drive? > > below is the system configuration (this is apparently a > system that ken > might have mucked up) > > Adapter: adaptec ultra 160 > Drive(s): seagate cheetah 18Gb > > also using IDE CDROM 48x drive > and > ultra dma 20gb drive > " > > I suggested that he just rebuild a kernel with both SCSI and IDE > support. Is there anything else he'll need to know? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 19:33:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ictus.catastrophe.net [207.227.243.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C531437B409 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 43593 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jun 2001 02:33:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:33:08 -0500 (CDT) From: eric To: Michael VanLoon Cc: "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , , Eric Monti Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C43@ecx1.edifecs.com> Message-ID: Organization: http://www.catastrophe.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeow - Mr. Attitude :0 Ok - I let my little kluser friend know ;) I've done it in linux, but not under freeBSD. On or about Jun 14, 2001 at 18:44 [-0700] Michael VanLoon proclaimed: ; Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time somebody has ; ever tried this. ; ; Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE CD-ROM drive falls ; under this category. ; ; Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 19:35:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.libam.com (094.dsl108154.surewest.net [63.108.154.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CCC37B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by mail.libam.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26808; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:44:19 -0700 Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C44@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: "'eric'" Cc: "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, Eric Monti Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:41:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nah not attitude... just the way it was worded made me laugh. :-) It was more the way it was phrased than anything else... > From: eric [mailto:eric@catastrophe.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:33 PM > > Yeow - Mr. Attitude :0 > > Ok - I let my little kluser friend know ;) > > I've done it in linux, but not under freeBSD. > > > On or about Jun 14, 2001 at 18:44 [-0700] Michael VanLoon proclaimed: > > ; Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time > somebody has > ; ever tried this. > ; > ; Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE > CD-ROM drive falls > ; under this category. > ; > ; Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:40:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tandem.milestonerdl.com (tandem.milestonerdl.com [204.107.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0663A37B403 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:40:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@milestonerdl.com) Received: from tandem (tandem [204.107.138.1]) by tandem.milestonerdl.com (8.11.2/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F42JZ71403; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:02:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:02:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Marc Rassbach To: Michael VanLoon Cc: "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, Eric Monti Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C43@ecx1.edifecs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yet don't laugh..... RedHat 7.0 will choke with a SCSI boot and an IDE as a secondary. So it is not as foolish a question as it seems. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Michael VanLoon wrote: > Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time somebody has > ever tried this. > > Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE CD-ROM drive falls > under this category. > > Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. > > > From: uid0@catastrophe.net [mailto:uid0@catastrophe.net] > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:34 PM > > > > Hello there - > > > > A friend of mine was wondering the following.. > > > > " > > Have you ever run or seen run freebsd using both a SCSI and IDE > > hard-drive? > > > > below is the system configuration (this is apparently a > > system that ken > > might have mucked up) > > > > Adapter: adaptec ultra 160 > > Drive(s): seagate cheetah 18Gb > > > > also using IDE CDROM 48x drive > > and > > ultra dma 20gb drive > > " > > > > I suggested that he just rebuild a kernel with both SCSI and IDE > > support. Is there anything else he'll need to know? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:45:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D197D37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:45:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 89466 invoked by uid 106); 15 Jun 2001 03:45:15 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 03:45:15 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Marc Rassbach" , "Michael VanLoon" Cc: "Eric Monti" , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" , "uid0@catastrophe.net" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:45:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Message-Id: <20010615034515.D197D37B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use SCSI & IDE in all our boxes, no problems at all. -Simon On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:02:19 -0500 (CDT), Marc Rassbach wrote: >Yet don't laugh..... > >RedHat 7.0 will choke with a SCSI boot and an IDE as a secondary. > >So it is not as foolish a question as it seems. > >On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Michael VanLoon wrote: > >> Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time somebody has >> ever tried this. >> >> Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE CD-ROM drive falls >> under this category. >> >> Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. >> >> > From: uid0@catastrophe.net [mailto:uid0@catastrophe.net] >> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:34 PM >> > >> > Hello there - >> > >> > A friend of mine was wondering the following.. >> > >> > " >> > Have you ever run or seen run freebsd using both a SCSI and IDE >> > hard-drive? >> > >> > below is the system configuration (this is apparently a >> > system that ken >> > might have mucked up) >> > >> > Adapter: adaptec ultra 160 >> > Drive(s): seagate cheetah 18Gb >> > >> > also using IDE CDROM 48x drive >> > and >> > ultra dma 20gb drive >> > " >> > >> > I suggested that he just rebuild a kernel with both SCSI and IDE >> > support. Is there anything else he'll need to know? >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:47:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A478B37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 15AkZy-0004Bc-00; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:47:26 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Simon" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) References: <20010615034515.D197D37B405@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:47:26 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have a number of boxes with fast scsi striped for performance and then a very large cheap slow ide for quick backup. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:48:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029DE37B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:48:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5F3mKg44687; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Randy Bush Cc: Simon , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keep in mind that newer IDE drives in fact match or outperform quite a lot of SCSI drives very nicely. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Randy Bush wrote: > i have a number of boxes with fast scsi striped for performance and then a > very large cheap slow ide for quick backup. > > randy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:59:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.libam.com (094.dsl108154.surewest.net [63.108.154.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424F537B406 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by mail.libam.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA27041; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:02:43 -0700 Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:00:16 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C46@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: "'Marc Rassbach'" Cc: "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, Eric Monti Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:00:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's um... sad... yet not entirely unexpected... > From: Marc Rassbach [mailto:marc@milestonerdl.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:02 PM > > Yet don't laugh..... > RedHat 7.0 will choke with a SCSI boot and an IDE as a secondary. > So it is not as foolish a question as it seems. > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Michael VanLoon wrote: > > Sorry but this made me laugh... like this is the first time > somebody has > > ever tried this. > > > > Every *BSD system that has a SCSI controller and an IDE > CD-ROM drive falls > > under this category. > > > > Yes, I've been doing it with NetBSD and FreeBSD since 1993. > > > > > From: uid0@catastrophe.net [mailto:uid0@catastrophe.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:34 PM > > > > > > Hello there - > > > > > > A friend of mine was wondering the following.. > > > > > > " > > > Have you ever run or seen run freebsd using both a SCSI and IDE > > > hard-drive? > > > > > > below is the system configuration (this is apparently a > > > system that ken > > > might have mucked up) > > > > > > Adapter: adaptec ultra 160 > > > Drive(s): seagate cheetah 18Gb > > > > > > also using IDE CDROM 48x drive > > > and > > > ultra dma 20gb drive > > > " > > > > > > I suggested that he just rebuild a kernel with both SCSI and IDE > > > support. Is there anything else he'll need to know? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 20:59:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.libam.com (094.dsl108154.surewest.net [63.108.154.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BC737B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by mail.libam.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA27038; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:01:23 -0700 Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C45@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: "'Randy Bush'" , Simon Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:58:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually I have been doing this for years as well. Put a complete root filesystem on the IDE drive for disaster recovery, and then selective backups to it as needed. I usually disable the drive in the BIOS then, letting the system boot SCSI, and the *BSD kernel probes the IDE drive and autoconfigures it after boot, so it's still accessible when the system is up. > From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:47 PM > > i have a number of boxes with fast scsi striped for > performance and then a > very large cheap slow ide for quick backup. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 22:40: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ictus.catastrophe.net [207.227.243.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CF837B408 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 71332 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jun 2001 05:39:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:39:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Reply-To: To: Joseph Gleason Cc: , Eric Monti Subject: Re: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) In-Reply-To: <005e01c0f55d$3cae6680$0b2d2d0a@battleship> Message-ID: Organization: http://www.catastrophe.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anything about RedHat, and linux in general, should provide you with ample side splitting material for weeks on end. On or about Jun 15, 2001 at 01:37 [-0400] Joseph Gleason proclaimed: ; That makes me laugh. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 14 22:46:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B62C37B403 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5F5jbg47745; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Joseph Gleason Cc: Randy Bush , Simon , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) In-Reply-To: <006601c0f55d$65c11450$0b2d2d0a@battleship> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to see some of those as well. Frankly, there aren't many I directly trust (bonnie, iozone)... You might check out lmbench. On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Joseph Gleason wrote: > Speaking of which...does anyone have any good tools that measure not only > sequencal IO, but also various seeks and such...to simulate real > performance. Other than the standard buildworld. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Jacob" > To: "Randy Bush" > Cc: "Simon" ; > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 23:48 > Subject: RE: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) > > > > > > Keep in mind that newer IDE drives in fact match or outperform quite a lot > of > > SCSI drives very nicely. > > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Randy Bush wrote: > > > > > i have a number of boxes with fast scsi striped for performance and then > a > > > very large cheap slow ide for quick backup. > > > > > > randy > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 2:17:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sneeze.tasam.com (sneeze.tasam.com [63.99.164.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4744C37B405 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@fireduck.com) Received: from battleship (sneeze.tasam.com [63.99.164.10]) by sneeze.tasam.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f5F9H5N47345 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01c0f57b$e5733890$0b2d2d0a@battleship> From: "Joseph Gleason" To: Subject: hardware to control multiple FreeBSD boxes via serial? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking for a peice of hardware that allows me and my crew to control a bunch of FreeBSD boxes via serial console. So basicly I am looking for a box with a bunch of serial ports and an ethernet ports. By a bunch I mean 20 or 30 ports. Some features I am looking for: - Allows admin to telnet in and then specify which port to attach to - Some sort of authentication (obviously) - Per port access controls (certain users can access certain ports, etc) - Cheap. Our ISP robs us blind, thus we have very little money. - Allows multiple connections at once to diffrent ports (admins working on multiple machines) I know a livingston portmaster 2 can do most of it, but it really isn't designed with this sort of use in mind. I am wondering if there are any other options. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 4:38:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B052D37B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 17067 invoked by uid 501); 15 Jun 2001 11:44:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 11:44:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:44:21 -0300 (BRT) From: Paulo Fragoso To: Subject: Reboots Message-ID: <20010615081926.V10848-100000@mirage.nlink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We've got a router using 1 - Etinc (Wan card) and 3 - 3Com 3c905C-TX. We are using 4.2-RELEASE and that system reboots several times at day. We've compiled the kernel with -g and following: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kerneldebug.html We can find this: hercules{root}:/sys/compile/KERNEL3:14# gdb -k GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd". (kgdb) symbol-file kernel.debug Reading symbols from kernel.debug...done. (kgdb) exec-file /var/crash/kernel.1 (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.1 IdlePTD 4304896 initial pcb at 352100 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x9fc00e00 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc019ed4c stack pointer = 0x10:0xc03234dc frame pointer = 0x10:0xc03234f8 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net tty trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... done Uptime: 4m36s xl0: command never completed! xl0: command never completed! xl1: command never completed! xl1: command never completed! xl2: command never completed! xl2: command never completed! dumping to dev #ad/0x30001, offset 131104 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 469 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) where #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 #1 0xc018741f in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:309 #2 0xc018779c in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc0317baf, howto=0) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:556 #3 0xc0295c35 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc032349c, eva=2680163840) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:951 #4 0xc029590d in trap_pfault (frame=0xc032349c, usermode=0, eva=2680163840) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:844 #5 0xc02954c7 in trap (frame={tf_fs = -1071906800, tf_es = 6422544, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -1070451468, tf_esi = 6422528, tf_ebp = -1070451464, tf_isp = -1070451512, tf_ebx = 1, tf_edx = -1614803456, tf_ecx = 1, tf_eax = 6422528, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1072042676, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66182, tf_esp = -1036100864, tf_ss = -1070249612}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:443 #6 0xc019ed4c in m_copym (m=0xc0a84900, off0=0, len=40, wait=1) at ../../kern/uipc_mbuf.c:621 #7 0xc01dc08b in ip_forward (m=0xc0a84900, srcrt=0) at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:1508 #8 0xc01db1c2 in ip_input (m=0xc0a84900) at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:563 #9 0xc01db52f in ipintr () at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:759 (kgdb) up 10 #9 0xc01db52f in ipintr () at ../../netinet/ip_input.c:759 759 ip_input(m); (kgdb) list 754 s = splimp(); 755 IF_DEQUEUE(&ipintrq, m); 756 splx(s); 757 if (m == 0) 758 return; 759 ip_input(m); 760 } 761 } 762 763 /* (kgdb) How we aren't expert with kernel dumps any answer will help us. Is that a hardware problmes, or any DOS attack? We are using DUMMYNET for some control flow, can be this the problem? We've changed the motherboard (was an Intel now an ASUS), 3 network adapter (was two ISA and an Intel fxp now three 3Com) and the memory. We are using same Etinc Wan Adapter (eth0). Many Thanks, Paulo. -- __O _-\<,_ Why drive when you can bike? (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 9:21: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCC337B40A for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (msgrel1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.77]) by msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC2F1C3B; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A495351D; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id JAA20226; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106151620.JAA20226@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Marc Rassbach Cc: Michael VanLoon , "'uid0@catastrophe.net'" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Eric Monti Subject: Re: freebsd w/ scsi and ide (fwd) Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:02:19 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:26 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Rassbach wrote: > Yet don't laugh..... > > RedHat 7.0 will choke with a SCSI boot and an IDE as a secondary. > > So it is not as foolish a question as it seems. Yes, as most people noted, FreeBSD with both SCSI and IDE drives will work fine. However, there's a gotcha: the FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE CDROM appears to be unable to upgrade existing systems, at least in some cases. I've got an old P300 with both SCSI and IDE drives. The system boots from SCSI (dual aic7880/aic7860, although only the 7880 is used), and uses the IDE drive as additional storage. It was running 4.2-RELEASE. When I tried to upgrade to 4.3-RELEASE using the WindRiver CDROMs, the upgrade failed because sysinstall appeared to be unable to locate sh/csh, find, cpio, etc. (the debug window contained lots of "command not found" errors, and the holographic shell couldn't be started, presumably because sh/csh couldn't be found). I ended up having to blow away my root partition and use the regular "install from scratch" method (which did work fine). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 10:22:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC1537B405 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Received: from DougBarton.net (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06726; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Message-ID: <3B2A445C.39601425@DougBarton.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:36 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Gleason Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware to control multiple FreeBSD boxes via serial? References: <004a01c0f57b$e5733890$0b2d2d0a@battleship> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joseph Gleason wrote: > > I am looking for a peice of hardware that allows me and my crew to control a > bunch of FreeBSD boxes via serial console. http://www.digi.com/solutions/termsrv/portserver.shtml -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 10:36:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA8137B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5FHaPg49171; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Joseph Gleason Cc: Subject: Re: hardware to control multiple FreeBSD boxes via serial? In-Reply-To: <3B2A445C.39601425@DougBarton.net> Message-ID: <20010615103430.T24453-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another option is that if you already have a FreeBSD box, there are a variety of multiport serial cards that you can use. This gives you slightly more overall flexibility than Doug's suggestion (i.e.- this could also be a diskless server for the other FreeBSD boxes). On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Doug Barton wrote: > Joseph Gleason wrote: > > > > I am looking for a peice of hardware that allows me and my crew to control a > > bunch of FreeBSD boxes via serial console. > > http://www.digi.com/solutions/termsrv/portserver.shtml > > > -- > If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough. > > Do YOU Yahoo!? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 10:39:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.sysadmin-inc.com (ns2.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A875D37B40A for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@sysadmin-inc.com) Received: (qmail 31925 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2001 17:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 98wkst) (10.10.1.70) by ns2.sysadmin-inc.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 17:39:46 -0000 From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: 3ware 6200 and ata 100? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has 3ware come out with a controller similar to the 6200 that supports ata 100? Thanks, Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 10:56:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.136.132.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8774437B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: (from rbw@localhost) by malkavian.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f5FHtXm09629; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:55:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:55:33 -0700 From: "brian j. peterson" To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3ware 6200 and ata 100? Message-ID: <20010615105533.D81918@malkavian.org> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Brezny , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from peter@sysadmin-inc.com on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 01:39:10PM -0400 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yup. http://www.3ware.com/products/Escalade7k.asp?Title=Product&subTitle=371&ImageNumber=2 On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 01:39:10PM -0400, Peter Brezny wrote: > Has 3ware come out with a controller similar to the 6200 that supports ata > 100? > > Thanks, > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services Inc. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== | rbw aka bjp | god's final message to his creation: | | rbw@myplace.org | we apologize for the inconvenience. | ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 11:15:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.siscom.net (mail2.siscom.net [209.251.2.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C4C837B405 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from radams@siscom.net) Received: (qmail 6790 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 18:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jason) (209.251.2.49) by mail2.siscom.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 18:15:37 -0000 Message-ID: <025201c0f5c8$91a751e0$3102fbd1@siscom.net> From: "Robert J. Adams" To: "Peter Brezny" , References: Subject: Re: 3ware 6200 and ata 100? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:55:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter, Yes, the 7000's.. check out www.3ware.com -j --- Robert J. Adams radams@siscom.net http://www.siscom.net Looking to outsource news? http://www.newshosting.com SISCOM Network Administration - President, SISCOM Inc. Phone: 937-222-8150 FAX: 937-222-8153 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brezny" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: 3ware 6200 and ata 100? > Has 3ware come out with a controller similar to the 6200 that supports ata > 100? > > Thanks, > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services Inc. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 12:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CEA37B407 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5FJwdT01218; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200106151958.f5FJwdT01218@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Peter Brezny" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3ware 6200 and ata 100? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:10 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:58:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has 3ware come out with a controller similar to the 6200 that supports ata > 100? The 7000 family supports ATA-100, but due to the fact that you only put one drive on a port, it's basically unnecessary; the ata-66 model is 'equivalent' to an ATA-133 controller in terms of bandwidth available to a single drive in a fully-loaded configuration. There are good reasons to buy a 7000 family controller, but the "must have" appeal of ATA-100 is not one of them. Regards, Mike -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jun 15 21:52:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9C137B408 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@ait.ac.th) Received: from bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th (on@bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.2]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f5G4w2e04427; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:58:02 +0700 (ICT) From: Olivier Nicole Received: (from on@localhost) by bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01240; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:52:16 +0700 (ICT) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:52:16 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200106160452.LAA01240@bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th> To: john@hei.net Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <002301c0f37f$15d8cda0$83a3ded1@hei.net> (john@hei.net) Subject: Re: Hardware search Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >he server, but convert the serial to Ethernet like an external print s>erver.... There used to be boxes called terminal server, that had 16 serial and one ethernet ports. Bridge (now 3com?) used to have such thing, DEC did too. but that was 10 years ago. Olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 2:27:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from proxon.bnc.net (proxon.bnc.net [62.225.99.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FE837B408 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noses@proxon.bnc.net) Received: (from noses@localhost) by proxon.bnc.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5G9RHb71933; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:27:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from noses) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:27:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200106160927.f5G9RHb71933@proxon.bnc.net> From: Noses To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Casing wanted Organization: Noses' cave In-Reply-To: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C1F@ecx1.edifecs.com> X-Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.hardware,mpc.lists.freebsd.hardware User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C1F@ecx1.edifecs.com> MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM (Michael VanLoon) wrote: > Hmmm... Are you sure just biting the bullet and going SCSI raid wouldn't be > a better solution in this case? Both servers are running right now. I've gone the cheapest route and used Chenbro Net series casings (with as much power as possible). First tests show that 3ware's RAID5 isn't really up to fast writing (but vinum isn't either) but the 8 Maxtor 80 GB IDE drives are actually faster than vinum on 8 IBM DDYS (36GB) connected to a AHA29160. Using the 3ware RAID as 0+1 is quite fast, only the third alternative (having a SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controller behind the Adaptec controller) gave us even more (especially write) performance. I didn't get the numbers, just relative comparisons and it looks like 3ware is giving most bang/bucks although I'd have preferred them to use SCSI based servers. Well... I'm just waiting for the first admin to open one of the planned IDE boxes and strangling himselv with all those IDE cables... Bottom line: The 3ware Escalade 6000 series isn't that bad as it seems... Noses. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 2:39:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC42237B409 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5G9nwT09423; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200106160950.f5G9nwT09423@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Noses Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Casing wanted In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:27:17 +0200." <200106160927.f5G9RHb71933@proxon.bnc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:49:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Bottom line: The 3ware Escalade 6000 series isn't that bad as it seems... Just FWIW, if you're obsessed with RAID 5, the 7000 series should be somewhat faster. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 2:42:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7714337B406 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.daemontech.net [208.135.51.161]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C54120F13; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200106160927.f5G9RHb71933@proxon.bnc.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Hodge Podge To: Noses Subject: Re: Casing wanted Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16-Jun-01 Noses wrote: > In article <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54C1F@ecx1.edifecs.com> > MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM (Michael VanLoon) wrote: >> Hmmm... Are you sure just biting the bullet and going SCSI raid wouldn't be >> a better solution in this case? > > Both servers are running right now. I've gone the cheapest route and used > Chenbro Net series casings (with as much power as possible). First tests > show that 3ware's RAID5 isn't really up to fast writing (but vinum isn't > either) but the 8 Maxtor 80 GB IDE drives are actually faster than vinum on > 8 IBM DDYS (36GB) connected to a AHA29160. Using the 3ware RAID as 0+1 is > quite fast, only the third alternative (having a SCSI-to-SCSI RAID > controller behind the Adaptec controller) gave us even more (especially > write) performance. I didn't get the numbers, just relative comparisons and > it looks like 3ware is giving most bang/bucks although I'd have preferred > them to use SCSI based servers. Well... I'm just waiting for the first admin > to open one of the planned IDE boxes and strangling himselv with all those > IDE cables... > > Bottom line: The 3ware Escalade 6000 series isn't that bad as it seems... > > > Noses. > You should get a version 7000 3Ware controller. 3wares Raid 5 performance has been greatly enhanced from what I have come to learn, especially for writes. Nicole > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Nicole Harrington | AKA Hodge Podge * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- nicole@unixgirl.com http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole@deviantimages.com http://www.deviantimages.com/ -- Powered By Coca-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Why do doctors call what they do practice? -- -- The Best Place for Your Web Site - www.Kinkyhosting.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 3:57: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kyx.net (s216-232-31-82.bc.hsia.telus.net [216.232.31.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF55B37B403 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@kyx.net) Received: from zyx (unknown [216.232.31.79]) by mail.kyx.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 478591DC03; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dragos Ruiu Organization: dragostech.com inc. To: Olivier Nicole , john@hei.net Subject: Re: Hardware search Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 03:58:17 +0000 X-Mailer: KYX-CP/M [core01-v01-02a] Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200106160452.LAA01240@bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200106160452.LAA01240@bazooka.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061603581702.13044@zyx> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I cannot speak to their quality as I've only seen their ads but Equinox makes ethernet based serial servers and a little quality google time will likely turn up others for you... cheers, --dr On Saturday 16 June 2001 04:52, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > > to > > t>he server, but convert the serial to Ethernet like an external print > s>erver.... > > There used to be boxes called terminal server, that had 16 serial and > one ethernet ports. > > Bridge (now 3com?) used to have such thing, DEC did too. but that was > 10 years ago. > > Olivier > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 6:32:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from proxon.bnc.net (proxon.bnc.net [62.225.99.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5047E37B403 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noses@proxon.bnc.net) Received: (from noses@localhost) by proxon.bnc.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GDWTl72619; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:32:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from noses) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:32:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200106161332.f5GDWTl72619@proxon.bnc.net> From: Noses To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware to control multiple FreeBSD boxes via serial? Organization: Noses' cave In-Reply-To: <004a01c0f57b$e5733890$0b2d2d0a@battleship> X-Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.hardware,mpc.lists.freebsd.hardware User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <004a01c0f57b$e5733890$0b2d2d0a@battleship> you wrote: > I am looking for a peice of hardware that allows me and my crew to control a > bunch of FreeBSD boxes via serial console. What about a classical terminal server like the Livingston Portmaster II. You should be able to get a used Portmaster at reasonable prices... Noses. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jun 16 8:38:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from proxon.bnc.net (proxon.bnc.net [62.225.99.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AB837B408 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noses@proxon.bnc.net) Received: (from noses@localhost) by proxon.bnc.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GFbt573003; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:37:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from noses) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200106161537.f5GFbt573003@proxon.bnc.net> From: Noses To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Casing wanted Organization: Noses' cave In-Reply-To: <200106160950.f5G9nwT09423@mass.dis.org> X-Newsgroups: muc.lists.freebsd.hardware,mpc.lists.freebsd.hardware User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <200106160950.f5G9nwT09423@mass.dis.org> msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith) wrote: >> Bottom line: The 3ware Escalade 6000 series isn't that bad as it seems... > Just FWIW, if you're obsessed with RAID 5, the 7000 series should be > somewhat faster. Not really; the final solution will be running striping and mirroring and I'm quite impressed by the result. If you want to try too: MSI dual P3 mainboard with two P3/1GHz 2 GB RAM 9 Maxtor 80 GB (8 on the Escalade 6800, one for FreeBSD) It definitely is a nice machine and will be doing its job quite well. The SCSI test system will probably used for software development and the final application will be runnig on ten systems with IDE RAIDs. Or do you know an affordable (non-XEON) dual mainboard with 64bit PCI slots which would give an advantage with the Escalade 7000 series? Noses. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message