From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 26 18:19:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7DB37B407 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from achornback@worldnet.att.net) Received: from tomcat ([12.93.208.38]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010827011913.BMFX18450.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@tomcat> for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:19:13 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "FreeBSD-Hardware" Subject: Server Design Issues (was: Re: 3ware stuff not ready for heavy duty useage-Ah ha) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:19:11 -0400 Message-ID: <00ac01c12e96$47365640$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ya know, After reading this thread (it had been stored since I couldn't get to it last week, vacation with the fiancee and all...), I've got some comments about the whole situation. Let's see here... you're investing loads of cash in drives, a 3Ware controller and the supporting hardware to build a server. That's good... good hardware is always a good base for a good server. Problem is, you're only using a case/enclosure with a single power supply? *shakes his head* You invest in the RAID controller to add redundancy to the machine. You invest in a bunch of drives to utilize that redundancy. Then you gamble on it all by using a case with a single power supply? What is wrong with this picture? A good, quality case with redundant power supplies (such as the offerings from InWin, not affiliated with them just a very satisfied customer and user) only runs about $200 for a 2 x 300W powered box. Seems to me that you're putting the cart before the horse here. What is the single most fundamental requirement of any computer system? Electrical power. Without enough of it, you get strange/wierd results. That "server" with 13 drives and a 300 Watt power supply... might work for some, but I'd only be interested in purchasing it if it came with a fire extinguisher and an insurance policy. I realize this is an apples to oranges comment, but I'm going to make it anyway. My new workstation, a HP NetServer LC2000 has a warning in the documentation that states that if you're going to use the hot-swap backplane for more than 3 HDDs, that you need to get the redundant power supply. By comparison, my old ALR 6X6 has 3 x 350 Watt power supplies in it right now, with room for a fourth to bring it to 1400 Watts. True, it is an older technological implementation (being from 1998 and all). But, there's something that you need to look at here. If it was possible to build a machine cheaply and reliably to host multiple large sized HDDs, wouldn't someone like Dell, Compaq, HP or Gateway/ALR be doing it already? They're not in business to see how many power supplies they can cram into a machine, they're in business to make money by shipping a reliable system (yeah, I said reliable and I know all of you out there have horror stories about some component or another from these folks). I realize that we all have different skill levels here as far as system and server building, but, I would think that HP or another one of the big companies would have more resources to do more research and come up with a viable plan of attack for prodiving a solution than we, individually, could. Now, I'm not saying that everyone should go get an "off the shelf" machine for everything that they need to do, but, at least take a look at how the big companies do things hardware wise. Not looking for a flame war here... --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 27 7:41:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from webpimps.net (lgb-DSL71-cust207.mpowercom.net [208.57.71.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0301337B403 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from click46@webpimps.net) Received: from WorldClient [127.0.0.1] by webpimps.net [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.2.R) for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:38:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:38:38 -0700 From: "Aaron" To: msmith@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: X-Mailer: WorldClient Standard 3.1.2 X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: click46@webpimps.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20010827144140.0301337B403@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops, my bad. Hit reply on the wrong message. What I meant to ask was that adding a drive with data already on it could not be added and mirrored on the fly is a limitation of the card or just not implemented in the drivers. Sorry for the confusion, - aaron >> >> I need to add RAID 1 to one of our web servers. I went ahead and purchased >> the 3ware 6200 controller, and have run into these potential problems, even >> before I've installed the hardware: >> >> 1. Can a drive containing data be added to this controller and then have the >> drive mirror'ed on the second drive? I asked this question from 3ware and >> they said they will get back to me. > > No, it cannot. This basically kills the rest of your questions. > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E --------------------------------------------- click46[wp] - AIM the click46 - ICQ 43450396 webpimps.net | bsdatwork.com | nerdserve.net moderator - o/c cooling forum @ hardforum.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 27 8:25:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from star.rila.bg (star.rila.bg [212.39.75.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3337B408; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vlady@star.rila.bg) Received: from star.rila.bg (vlady@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by star.rila.bg (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7RFPuc28049; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:25:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vlady@star.rila.bg) Message-Id: <200108271525.f7RFPuc28049@star.rila.bg> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: "Vladimir Terziev" Subject: Cisco AIR-PCI 352 card strange behaviour (re-send) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:25:56 +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a dual-boot machine with Cisco AIR-PCI 352 card on it. The machine boots FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE and Windows'98. The AIR-PCI 352 card works either with FreeBSD and Win98, but it has different behaviour under both. When it works under Win98, ping to my gateway machine is ~ 6ms. When it works under FreeBSD, ping is ~ 200ms. That is very strange for me and I want to know what is the reason for this behaviour and how I can drop the ping under FreeBSD to be similar to ping under Win98? Any suggestions? Vladimir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 27 10:44:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.avatar.com (ns1.avatar.com [199.33.206.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C68837B417 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kory@avatar.com) Received: from tomcat (tomcat.avatar.com [199.33.206.20]) by ns1.avatar.com (8.12.0.Beta8/8.12.0.Beta8) with SMTP id f7RHg5UM021212 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kory Hamzeh" To: Subject: Seeking Tape Drive Recommendations Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c12f1f$dd2ba040$14ce21c7@avatar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since I can't seem to get the OnStream DI-30 drive to work properly, I need to find another tape drive. I would like it to have a 15 gig capacity, if possible. What tape drives work reliably for 4.3-RELEASE? Cost is an issue also, were trying to keep the price of the new drive under $500. It may be wishful thinking. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 27 17:49:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.avatar.com (ns1.avatar.com [199.33.206.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA7D37B403 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kory@avatar.com) Received: from tomcat (tomcat.avatar.com [199.33.206.20]) by ns1.avatar.com (8.12.0.Beta8/8.12.0.Beta8) with SMTP id f7S0l0UM022873 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kory Hamzeh" To: Subject: Errors using the OnStream DI30 ADR Drive Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:49:03 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c12f5b$3be24ae0$14ce21c7@avatar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20010824082704.Q459@k7.mavetju.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Note: I posted this question to freebsd-question and did not receive any replies. I'm trying -hardware to see if I get lucky. I'm running 4.3-RELEASE GENERIC kernel with an OnStream DI-30 IDE tape drive. Things seem to work well as long as I use a 32K block size, however, the drive seems to get this error: ast0: WEOF - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=24 ascq=00 error=04 whenever an end of file mark is written to it. Checking the mail archives, I noticed that someone else had the exact same problem, but no there was no follow up postings. Any help on how to fix this problem with be great. Any suggestion of an inexpensive way to backup a 30gig drive would be good too, that way I can throw out the onstream drive. Thanks, Kory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 15:47:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailsat.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BDE37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: (from root@localhost) by mailsat.halenet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f7SMlPh43077 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:47:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (temp23.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.123]) by mailsat.halenet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with SMTP id f7SMlLS43057 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:47:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <008601c13013$68d9ca60$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: Subject: HP LC3 rebooting problem Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:47:24 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Does anyone on this list know if it is possible to reboot a Netserver LC3 remotely without having to physically turn it off at the switch. Has anyone done this successfully. I have a LC3 PII 450 which loads Freebsd OK everything works except I cannot get it to reboot. I wrote to HP and this was their response "Hewlett-Packard has not tested FreeBSD on any NetServer. Consequently, our support will be limited. The NetServer LC3 will not power off automatically when a supported operating system (such as NT Server 4.0) performs a shutdown. The server must be turned off." This would seem a little restrictive to me as the machine would not be able to be rebooted remotely Has any one come across this problem, and found a solution Thanks in Advance Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 16:38:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B571D37B405 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from achornback@worldnet.att.net) Received: from tomcat ([12.93.212.177]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010828233832.BCOZ28026.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@tomcat>; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:38:32 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Tim McCullagh" , Subject: RE: HP LC3 rebooting problem Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: <014301c1301a$4b223320$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <008601c13013$68d9ca60$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tim McCullagh > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:47 PM > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: HP LC3 rebooting problem > > Hi > > Does anyone on this list know if it is possible to reboot a Netserver LC3 > remotely without having to physically turn it off at the switch. Has > anyone done this successfully. > > I have a LC3 PII 450 which loads Freebsd OK everything works except I > cannot get it to reboot. > > I wrote to HP and this was their response > > "Hewlett-Packard has not tested FreeBSD on any NetServer. > Consequently, our > support will be limited. The NetServer LC3 will not power off > automatically > when a supported operating system (such as NT Server 4.0) performs a > shutdown. > The server must be turned off." > > This would seem a little restrictive to me as the machine would > not be able > to be rebooted remotely > > Has any one come across this problem, and found a solution Tim, this might be a kludge, but it should work in theory. Have you tried using a Berkshire Watchdog card in the server? Once FreeBSD goes through the shutdown, the machine should go into an "inert" stage. At that time, the timer on the Berkshire card should go into effect and without seeing any activity, the card should time out and reboot the machine on it's own. 'course, I believe that this solution may require some hacking on the wiring harness, which wouldn't be good if you needed to have the machine serviced under the HP service contract. --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 21:26: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sphinx.wuhjuhbuh.2y.net (syr-66-24-24-88.twcny.rr.com [66.24.24.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B30A37B405 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian.szymanski@cornell.edu) Received: (from www@localhost) by sphinx.wuhjuhbuh.2y.net (8.11.4/8.10.1) id f7T4Q2X01015 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:26:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sphinx.wuhjuhbuh.2y.net: www set sender to brian.szymanski@cornell.edu using -f To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: scsi adapter to buy? Message-ID: <999059161.3b8c6ed99eb72@wuhjuhbuh.2y.net> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Szymanski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I was planning on purchasing a Seagate Cheetah X15 36LP, and, being new to SCSI, was wondering what sort of adapter I should get for it (its replacing an IDE drive). How much should I spend/what brands are good to buy/what's supported? If anyone can point me in the direction of a good place to read about SCSI adapters (and their support under fbsd), or can give specific recommendations/reasoning, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time, Brian Szymanski brian.szymanski@cornell.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 21:28:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7CB37B407 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:28:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84C9E18EA; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B3A18E9; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Brian Szymanski Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scsi adapter to buy? In-Reply-To: <999059161.3b8c6ed99eb72@wuhjuhbuh.2y.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If anyone can point me in the direction of a good place to read about SCSI > adapters (and their support under fbsd), or can give specific > recommendations/reasoning, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm a fan of Tekram (www.tekram.com) I have three different models of their cards - all of which (IMHO) seem to run better and with less problems then any Adaptec card I've ever had. The really nice part is that they're very cheap compared to the Adaptecs. :) (I've also used them under multiple OS's - from Microsoft, to Novell, Linux, and of course FreeBSD.) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 21:49:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C80137B403 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA34331; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:49:18 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Brian Szymanski Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scsi adapter to buy? Message-ID: <20010828224918.A34271@panzer.kdm.org> References: <999059161.3b8c6ed99eb72@wuhjuhbuh.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <999059161.3b8c6ed99eb72@wuhjuhbuh.2y.net>; from brian.szymanski@cornell.edu on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 12:26:01AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:26:01 -0400, Brian Szymanski wrote: > Howdy, > > I was planning on purchasing a Seagate Cheetah X15 36LP, and, being new to > SCSI, was wondering what sort of adapter I should get for it (its replacing an > IDE drive). How much should I spend/what brands are good to buy/what's > supported? > > If anyone can point me in the direction of a good place to read about SCSI > adapters (and their support under fbsd), or can give specific > recommendations/reasoning, it would be greatly appreciated. Well, supported hardware is generally listed in the release notes for each release. Sometimes it can be a little out of date, though. (note -- I work for Adaptec, so I may be a bit biased) That said, I would recommend an Adaptec U160 controller, for a couple of reasons. The first is driver support -- Justin Gibbs writes both the FreeBSD and Linux drivers, and they generally work very well. The second is hardware availability. The Symbios/LSI driver is very good, as is the QLogic driver, but those boards are difficult (LSI) and almost impossible (QLogic) to find out in the "channel" market. Anyway, as far as cost, you're looking at $155 for the 19160 white box version (i.e. no cables, probably no drivers or anything else included) to $348 for the 39160 kit. (kit means that it comes with cables, drivers for Windows, etc.) (Prices are from www.microx-press.com, you might find cheaper prices elsewhere.) For a list of Adaptec SCSI controllers, see: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/prodtechindex.html?cat=%2fTechnology%2fSCSI&source=home You want an Ultra160 board, so the main issue is what sort of connectors you want on the board. With more connectors and more busses, you'll pay more, but get more flexibility. So once you figure out what you might use your controller for (i.e. just disks, or CD burners, scanners, tape drives, etc.) you can decide what sort of connector/bus arrangement you want. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 28 22:12:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD8237B407 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA34665; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:12:12 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Rick Hamell Cc: Brian Szymanski , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scsi adapter to buy? Message-ID: <20010828231212.A34602@panzer.kdm.org> References: <999059161.3b8c6ed99eb72@wuhjuhbuh.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:29:15PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:29:15 -0700, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > If anyone can point me in the direction of a good place to read about SCSI > > adapters (and their support under fbsd), or can give specific > > recommendations/reasoning, it would be greatly appreciated. > > I'm a fan of Tekram (www.tekram.com) I have three different > models of their cards - all of which (IMHO) seem to run better and with > less problems then any Adaptec card I've ever had. The really nice part is > that they're very cheap compared to the Adaptecs. :) (I've also used them > under multiple OS's - from Microsoft, to Novell, Linux, and of course > FreeBSD.) You'll probably want to make sure you get one of their DC-390U3* Ultra160 controllers. The DC-315/395 controllers have a Tekram Ultra SCSI chip that (apparantly) doesn't have its own SCSI phase engine and so requires multiple interrupts per transaction. They also had some older boards based on the AMD 53c974 chip, which have similar issues and will be fairly slow. (I think that was the DC-390T) If you get one of their Ultra160 boards, though (which use LSI Logic chips) you should be fine; the sym driver works well. Tekram has been very good about supporting FreeBSD -- they've even written CAM drivers for their various SCSI controllers. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 29 13:56:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2283237B405 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA39805; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:56:28 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Michael VanLoon Cc: Rick Hamell , Brian Szymanski , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scsi adapter to buy? Message-ID: <20010829145628.A39707@panzer.kdm.org> References: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54CC5@ecx1.edifecs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54CC5@ecx1.edifecs.com>; from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 01:47:46PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:47:46 -0700, Michael VanLoon wrote: > > From: Kenneth D. Merry [mailto:ken@kdm.org] > > You'll probably want to make sure you get one of their > > DC-390U3* Ultra160 > > controllers. The DC-315/395 controllers have a Tekram Ultra > > SCSI chip that > > (apparantly) doesn't have its own SCSI phase engine and so requires > > multiple interrupts per transaction. > > I would second (or third) this. The latest Tekram cards came out very well > in recent StorageReview.com tests, being pretty much equal with Adaptec's > latest (faster in some tests, slower in others, but never far apart). > > They are very well built, and come with very complete cabling. I especially > like their split bus where you can put non-LVD stuff on the non-LVD bus > (like CD-ROMs, Jaz drives, older tape drives, etc.), and still have the LVD > bus run full speed. (For those who don't know, putting any LVD bus on a > fast (Ultra-80 or Ultra-160) LVD bus dumbs the entire bus down to SE > (Single-Ended, a.k.a. old SCSI) mode, slowing everything down, which is why > you don't want to mix non-LVD devices on an LVD bus with LVD drives.) The Adaptec 19160, 29160N and 29160 boards have the same sort of arrangement. The AIC-3860 bridge chip on the board separates the LVD and SE segments of the bus. (They didn't do that with the 39160, since you can just put any SE peripherals on one bus. The 29160LP doesn't have a bridge chip -- it doesn't really have enough connectors to justify it.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 1 15:43:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFC737B420; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f81MnOY01941; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200109012249.f81MnOY01941@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Aaron" Cc: msmith@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:38:38 PDT." <20010827144140.0301337B403@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:49:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's a function of the way the card works. The card has to "bless" a drive *before* you put any data on it. All (decent) RAID controllers work like this. > Whoops, my bad. Hit reply on the wrong message. What I meant to ask was > that adding a drive with data already on it could not be added and > mirrored on the fly is a limitation of the card or just not implemented > in the drivers. > > Sorry for the confusion, > > - aaron > > > >> > >> I need to add RAID 1 to one of our web servers. I went ahead and > purchased > >> the 3ware 6200 controller, and have run into these potential problems, > even > >> before I've installed the hardware: > >> > >> 1. Can a drive containing data be added to this controller and then > have the > >> drive mirror'ed on the second drive? I asked this question from 3ware > and > >> they said they will get back to me. > > > > No, it cannot. This basically kills the rest of your questions. > > > > -- > > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > > --------------------------------------------- > click46[wp] - AIM the click46 - ICQ 43450396 > webpimps.net | bsdatwork.com | nerdserve.net > moderator - o/c cooling forum @ hardforum.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. 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