From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 6:28:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6878037B419; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:41:57 -0500 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fB9DgHn01455; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:42:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 08:42:17 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: nathan mace Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soundblaster Live! Message-ID: <20011209084216.A1187@nc.rr.com> References: <200112081630.fB8GUmb57296@realtime.exit.com> <20011208164439.56680.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011208164439.56680.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com>; from nmace85@yahoo.com on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 08:44:39AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nathan mace: |--- Frank Mayhar wrote: |> Bill Moran wrote: |> > nathan mace wrote: |> > > does anyone know if/when the soundblaster live! sound card will be |> > > suported under freebsd? |> > |> > It appears as though it is already supported. | |thanks for the info. but before i asked you guys i did a search on |google. it found a bunch of archived mailing list replies that indicated |that it wasn't working yet. they were dated earlier this year too. You might go back and review those threads in more detail (as they may be relevant to you). It could be you happened onto a thread related to a HW/SW incompatibility involving the SB Live. For example, there there was a really ugly problem with system freezes and hard disk corruption in PCs with MBs having a VIA '686b southbridge and a VIA k[xt]133 northbridge earlier this year. This problem was greatly aggravated by the presence of a SB Live! card, so much so that it often was attributed to the Live! rather than the MB chipset and BIOS. According to Søren Schmidt, the Live isn't blameless as it operates outside of the specs, but the key problem is the MB vendors programmed the VIA chips wrong. Søren's committed fixes to stable and current for this a while back though, so unless you pick up an old version of FreeBSD you shouldn't have to worry. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 12: 0:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uce55.uchaswv.edu (uce55.uchaswv.edu [12.4.161.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCC337B416; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (cheech.uchaswv.edu [172.16.0.7]) by uce55.uchaswv.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21532; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:02:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112092002.PAA21532@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nathan Mace To: "Freebsd-hardware" , "Freebsd-questions" Subject: memory question Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:07:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if a motherboard uses DDR ram, will it also use SDR ram? the reason i ask is i'm buying a new system, and the motherboard i have picked out is a Soyo Dragon Plus....but it uses DDR ram, and SDR ram is alot cheaper, but will it work? also, anyone have any experience with the Soyo Dragon Plus and freebsd? it has a CMI 8738 integrated sound card. that does work with BSD right? please cc any replies to me. thanks -- Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 12: 7:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE9237B419 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:07:44 -0800 Received: from 209.52.193.33 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:07:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.52.193.33] From: "Craig R" To: mace_nathan@uchaswv.edu Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: memory question Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:07:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2001 20:07:44.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A35FBF0:01C180ED] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SDR SDRAM will not work on a board that has only DDR slots. I tried to make the same "shortcut" when buying my EPoX EP-8KHA+ DDR mainboard. I don't know about the board that you are looking at, but my new board works perfect in FreeBSD except for a CD-ROM problem (which just needs to be MFC'd at this point) and no support for the onboard audio. Both of these may apply to your board, which is one of the others I was looking at. -Craig >From: Nathan Mace >To: "Freebsd-hardware" , "Freebsd-questions" > >Subject: memory question >Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:07:43 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.136.204.119] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBDDD0DF7007C4136E84ED888CC7755C50; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:00:56 -0800 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by >mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid ECC1C55947; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 >12:00:48 -0800 (PST)(envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id 1749E37B41B; Sun, > 9 Dec 2001 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid D607A2E8012; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:00:46 >-0800 >Received: from uce55.uchaswv.edu (uce55.uchaswv.edu [12.4.161.9])by >hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 2FCC337B416; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 >12:00:44 -0800 (PST) >Received: from there (cheech.uchaswv.edu [172.16.0.7])by uce55.uchaswv.edu >(8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21532;Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:02:28 >-0500 (EST) >From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:01:35 -0800 >Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org >Message-Id: <200112092002.PAA21532@uce55.uchaswv.edu> >X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] >Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG >List-ID: >List-Archive: (Web Archive) >List-Help: (List Instructions) >List-Subscribe: > >List-Unsubscribe: > >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > >if a motherboard uses DDR ram, will it also use SDR ram? the reason i ask >is >i'm buying a new system, and the motherboard i have picked out is a Soyo >Dragon Plus....but it uses DDR ram, and SDR ram is alot cheaper, but will >it >work? > >also, anyone have any experience with the Soyo Dragon Plus and freebsd? > >it has a CMI 8738 integrated sound card. that does work with BSD right? >please cc any replies to me. thanks > >-- >Nathan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 13:25:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D7437B405; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.145.17]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20011209212515.GAON16633.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:25:15 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9LOcn68342; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:24:38 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15128; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:24:04 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:24:03 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Nathan Mace Cc: Freebsd-hardware , Freebsd-questions Subject: Re: memory question Message-ID: <20011209212403.H280@localhost> References: <200112092002.PAA21532@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200112092002.PAA21532@uce55.uchaswv.edu>; from mace_nathan@uchaswv.edu on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 03:07:43PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 03:07:43PM -0500, Nathan Mace wrote: > if a motherboard uses DDR ram, will it also use SDR ram? the reason i ask is > i'm buying a new system, and the motherboard i have picked out is a Soyo > Dragon Plus....but it uses DDR ram, and SDR ram is alot cheaper, but will it > work? Nope. SDR DIMMS won't even fit in DDR slots, and I doubt they'd work if they did. Anyway, DDR isn't exactly expensive, even if it isn't quite as cheap as SDR... although RAM prices seem to be on their way back up, so I'd buy it now if I were you. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 13:34:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uce55.uchaswv.edu (uce55.uchaswv.edu [12.4.161.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B9D37B405; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (cheech.uchaswv.edu [172.16.0.7]) by uce55.uchaswv.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22893; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:36:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112092136.QAA22893@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nathan Mace To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: motherboard question (Was Re:memory question) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:41:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1CE@mspexch2.office.mktw.> In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1CE@mspexch2.office.mktw.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok, thanks for clearing up the RAM question, but what about the Dragon Plus motherboard? anyone have any comments for it under freebsd? nathan On Sunday 09 December 2001 04:24 pm, austad@marketwatch.com wrote: > No, it will not work. You must use DDR ram, it's twice as fast and well > worth the price. I have the same board, and it's screaming fast. Also, > sdram won't even fit in the slots, so you couldn't try it if you wanted to. > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathan Mace [mailto:mace_nathan@uchaswv.edu] > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:08 PM > > To: Freebsd-hardware; Freebsd-questions > > Subject: memory question > > > > > > if a motherboard uses DDR ram, will it also use SDR ram? the > > reason i ask is > > i'm buying a new system, and the motherboard i have picked > > out is a Soyo > > Dragon Plus....but it uses DDR ram, and SDR ram is alot > > cheaper, but will it > > work? > > > > also, anyone have any experience with the Soyo Dragon Plus > > and freebsd? > > > > it has a CMI 8738 integrated sound card. that does work with > > BSD right? > > please cc any replies to me. thanks > > > > -- > > Nathan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 13:48:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA3B37B419; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB9L6Jp43540; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:06:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: Nathan Mace Cc: Freebsd-hardware , Freebsd-questions Subject: Re: memory question In-Reply-To: <200112092002.PAA21532@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Message-ID: <20011209160405.C43519-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: I don't have any experience with that motherboard, but there is no way that it will use SDRAM. Additionally, you would not want to use SDRAM if you can use DDR. SDRAM may be a lot cheaper, but it runs at half the speed of DDR. DDR = Double Data Rate (of SDRAM) Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 4:04PM up 28 days, 32 mins, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Nathan Mace wrote: > if a motherboard uses DDR ram, will it also use SDR ram? the reason i ask is > i'm buying a new system, and the motherboard i have picked out is a Soyo > Dragon Plus....but it uses DDR ram, and SDR ram is alot cheaper, but will it > work? > > also, anyone have any experience with the Soyo Dragon Plus and freebsd? > > it has a CMI 8738 integrated sound card. that does work with BSD right? > please cc any replies to me. thanks > > -- > Nathan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 14:35:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3230A37B41B; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.153.41]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20011209223536.DGVO3849.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:35:36 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB9MZZn68580; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:35:35 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15725; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:35:00 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:35:00 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Nathan Mace Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: motherboard question (Was Re:memory question) Message-ID: <20011209223500.I280@localhost> References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D1CE@mspexch2.office.mktw.> <200112092136.QAA22893@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200112092136.QAA22893@uce55.uchaswv.edu>; from mace_nathan@uchaswv.edu on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:41:41PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:41:41PM -0500, Nathan Mace wrote: > ok, thanks for clearing up the RAM question, but what about the Dragon Plus > motherboard? anyone have any comments for it under freebsd? > No specific comments (haven't used that particular board), but there's no particular reason that it wouldn't work. You may find that not all of the onboard hardware (sound, network, whatever, I forget what the Dragon has) is fully supported, however. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 9 19:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD7F737B416 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from aohg12h2y28ok.ab.hsia.telus.net (HELO there) (142.179.135.75) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 03:30:11 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matt Payne Reply-To: mattapayne@yahoo.com Organization: High Performance Coatings To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:31:30 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011210033011.CD7F737B416@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-hardware _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 7: 5:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from delaluz.net (kenner2D-blk1-hfc-0251-d1db1583.rdc2.tx.coxatwork.com [209.219.21.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03B137B417; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from delaluz.net (proxy.galileo.edu [168.234.203.6]) by delaluz.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18097; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:16:56 -0600 Message-ID: <3C14CE2C.A51D95D4@delaluz.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:01:00 -0600 From: Gerardo Amaya Organization: De La Luz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: ATI radeon and NIC problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all I have a compaq presario 1700, I try to install FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE and RELEASE and I got a couple of problems First I have an ATI Radeon card, BSD can detect it. I try SuperProbe and it can not detect the chip, I read there are drivers for the radeon, is this true? I try to find it but I can find it anywhere. Also the NIC is not detected AFAIK, compaq use INTEL pro cards with its laptops. I check that the fxp driver is in the kernel and it is. So I'm really lost about it. Can someone help me with this please, I have to get this laptop to work before afternoon thanks Gerardo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 7:12:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from savvyworld.net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F66837B41D for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by savvyworld.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBAFCOP01480; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:12:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1007997144.3c14d0d89c015@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:12:24 -0800 From: Edwin Culp To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq presario 1700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 64.173.182.155 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Gerardo Amaya : > Hello all, I'm installing FreeBSD on my Presario 1700 and I got some > trouble. I really need help with these > > First of all I got a ATI radeon I try to run it with XFree and does not > work. When I run SuperProbe It can not detect the chip > I already heard that there is a radeon driver but I can't find it. First of all I'm running current 5.0 so YMMV on what I tell you but there shouldn't be too much difference:-) I haven't run SuperProbe for a while, I have been using X -configure and then using the generated values to manually do a xf86config. I'm sending you a copy of my /etc/X11/XF86Config Since current uses devfs you may have to change the mouse setting but everything else should work. I'm recognizing the card as an ATI Mach64 hopefully compaq hasn't made any changes. > > Also my NIC is not detected. AFAIK compaq only uses intel pro NICS I > really can not tell why it does not see it. First be sure that you have device miibus device dc in your kernel config file. I think GENERIC has it by default if you are not used to compiling kernel. In my /etc/rc.conf I have ifconfig_dc0="inet 24.20.19.75 netmask 255.255.255.128 media 100baseTX" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure that media 100baseTX is necessary I haven't tried without it because it works :-). BTW, you may want to add the following in your /boot/ snd_maestro3_load="YES" For you sound card. You can load it manually if you prefer with # kldload snd_maestro3 I also have to usr mixer volume controls to get the volume up to hear the speakers. I usually set it for about 85. At first I thought that sound didn't work.;-) Provecho, ed P.S. If this doesn't get you there, I suggest that you attach the output from dmesg and X -configure, at least. Suerte. > > If somebody have the same problem, please mail me, I really need to get > it work as fast as possible. > > I try with FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE and RELEASE > > thank you > > Gerardo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > --- --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 11:50:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from CRWdog.demon.co.uk (client-170-224.neoforma.com [12.44.170.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074FE37B405; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDAA3E3A; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATI radeon and NIC problem In-Reply-To: Message from Gerardo Amaya of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:01:00 CST." <3C14CE2C.A51D95D4@delaluz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1650249984P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:50:40 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20011210195040.2EDAA3E3A@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1650249984P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please include a 'dmesg'. Without it, we're only guessing. > Hello all I have a compaq presario 1700, I try to install FreeBSD 4.3 > STABLE and RELEASE and I got a couple of problems > > First I have an ATI Radeon card, BSD can detect it. I try SuperProbe and > it can not detect the chip, I read there are drivers for > the radeon, is this true? I try to find it but I can find it anywhere. There are many chips called "Radeon". If yours is a Radeon Mobility M6 (aka "LY"), then you'll need to use the latest XFree86 from CVS (http://www.xfree86.org/cvs.html), as there is no support in XFree86 4.1.0 (this chipset not existing at the time this was released). This works great for several people (myself included), problems with internal panel detection you might see references too on the XFree86 lists were recently fixed. Currently the CVS version of XFree86 4.1.99_X radeon driver supports: (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP), ATI Radeon VE QY (AGP), ATI Radeon VE QZ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LW (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility LZ (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP) > Also the NIC is not detected AFAIK, compaq use INTEL pro cards with its > laptops. I check that the fxp driver is in the kernel and > it is. So I'm really lost about it. I suspect you'll need to use 4.4-STABLE, my Omnibook 6100 Intel-based NIC wouldn't work with 4.4-RELEASE either, but a commit a couple of weeks later fixed it. > Can someone help me with this please, I have to get this laptop to work > before afternoon > > thanks > > Gerardo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > Regards, AS --==_Exmh_1650249984P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE8FRIQPHh895bDXeQRAgVIAKCujC0QWXE2OqkAqqqBoshh99nFdQCfX7HG T4A52sPqMOa+yiCE+KsEYfk= =aU/E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1650249984P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 13:47: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mafalda.univalle.edu.co (mafalda.univalle.edu.co [200.68.158.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F14737B405 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from libertad.univalle.edu.co (libertad.univalle.edu.co [192.168.18.91]) by mafalda.univalle.edu.co (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBALkq525474 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:46:53 -0500 (GMT) Received: from libertad.univalle.edu.co (gstgnzgr@localhost.univalle.edu.co [127.0.0.1]) by libertad.univalle.edu.co (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fBALw1uh055292 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:58:01 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (gstgnzgr@localhost) by libertad.univalle.edu.co (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) with ESMTP id fBALw17t055289 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:58:01 -0500 (COT) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:58:01 -0500 (COT) From: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: i286 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? Thanks for any help. ========================================================================= xxx-00/-xx xx-0 /-xxx UNIVERSIDAD DEL VALLE 0 / 0 CENTRO DE SERVICIOS DE INFORMACION 0/ 0 SEDE MELENDEZ /0 0 e-mail: gstgnzgr@calvin.univalle.edu.co ____00____ Telefonos: 3336450 ********** ICQ : 95848099 ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 13:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7E437B405 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27314 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2001 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2001 21:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron Subject: RE: i286 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Dec-01 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron wrote: > > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? > Thanks for any help. No. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 14: 1:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D08A37B405; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id fBAM14408531; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:01:04 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fBAKawo04656; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:36:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:36:57 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: nathan mace Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soundblaster Live! Message-ID: <20011210203657.GA288@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20011208151805.52714.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011208151805.52714.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:18:05AM -0800, nathan mace wrote: > does anyone know if/when the soundblaster live! sound > card will be suported under freebsd?=20 a) natively supported b) by 4front, commercial driver. has a nice mixer .... Andreas /// --=20 Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD Need a magic printfilter today ? http://www.apsfilter.org/ Songs from our band >> 64Bits << http://www.64bits.de Inofficial band pages with add-on stuff http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.ht= ml --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8FRzpd3o+lGxvbLoRAiKsAKCyRtLiJ0URwuxo65tmBad1pZngowCgnOHV AOXYoRtHbVC1L+QEx9/ks4U= =6kRV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 14: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE0D37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08126 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from sol.eng.fore.com (sol.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.155.73]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05053 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gravel.fore.com (gravel [169.144.87.66]) by sol.eng.fore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13579 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jritorto@localhost) by gravel.fore.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fBAM1hq01813 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:01:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gravel.fore.com: jritorto owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jacob Ritorto X-X-Sender: jritorto@gravel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Sun Type6 keyboard? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm rather new to PCing, but I greatly admire your work on FreeBSD. Sadly, though, since my fingers seem completely out of sorts on PC keyboards, I've been longing for a way to interface the Sun unix keyboards to this wonderfully cheap, fast platform for a while. Now that Sun uses USB keyboards, the hardware is in place and so my dream should be possible. How do I tell FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE to notice the Sun USB keyboard and treat it as the console input device? Kernel config file? Please help as running that SPARCclassic at home as an X display for the sole purpose of avoiding 'spoiling' my keyboarding skills is becoming unbearable.. thanks. --jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 14: 2:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6936137B405 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (yogotech.nokia.com [4.22.66.156]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17046; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:02:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBAM2Q903833; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15381.12530.404008.733531@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:02:26 -0700 To: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i286 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? Never in a million years. There exists no 'real' unix for the 286, since the 286 hardware is incapable of protecting processes well enough to be safe. However, there exists a couple of products that may be good enough, which work on both the 8086/8088 and 80286 product lines. 1) Minix (Andy Tanenbaum's teaching OS) 2) Coherent unix (the company went out of business, but you might be able to find a copy somewhere). 3) Xenix (again, no longer produced, but someone might have a version they'd be willing to part with.) 4) PC/IX - Again, not produced, but you might find someone willing to sell you one. Of the above, you're best bet is to get Minix, which I believe is still distributed. See: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html Of note, Bruce Evans, one of the earliest and most consistent FreeBSD developers, had a huge hand in making minix a more useful OS in the late 80's and early 90's. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 14:42: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C6737B41B; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBAMlZV04089; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200112102247.fBAMlZV04089@mass.dis.org> To: John Baldwin Cc: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: i286 In-Reply-To: Message from John Baldwin of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:52:17 PST." Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:47:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On 10-Dec-01 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron wrote: > > > > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? > > Thanks for any help. > > No. Your best bet for a 286 is Minix, which AFAIK is now freely available. I used to use a 286 laptop running Minix as a FreeBSD netinstall server. 8) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 10 21:53:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEDD37B417 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by valiant.cnchost.com id AAA08679; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:52:56 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200112110552.AAA08679@valiant.cnchost.com> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i286 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:02:26 MST." <15381.12530.404008.733531@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:52:56 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? > > Never in a million years. There exists no 'real' unix for the 286, > since the 286 hardware is incapable of protecting processes well enough > to be safe. Not that anyone cares any more but... i286 provides good enough protection -- you can have each prcoess in its own protected address space without any external h/w support (like we had to do for Moto 68000 based machines). What it didn't provide was support for paging. A company called Microport released a "real" unix for 286 in, I think, 1985. Another company called Bell Technologies used to sell PC/ATs bundled with Microport's Unix and their own drivers for various I/O devices until Intel bought them out. Microport is still around but don't know if they sell Unix on PC/ATs anymore! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 7:16:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from delaluz.net (kenner2D-blk1-hfc-0251-d1db1583.rdc2.tx.coxatwork.com [209.219.21.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD6637B405; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from delaluz.net ([216.230.150.30]) by delaluz.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32086; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:27:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3C162233.87B9FC80@delaluz.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:11:48 -0600 From: Gerardo Amaya Organization: De La Luz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DVD/CD-RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all I have a presario 1700 Laptop, I have a bay for the floppy or the DVD/CD-RW. The problem I have is that I installed FreeBSD 4.4 RELEASE via ftp so I have to use the floppy, that was good. now when I finished and I try to boot with the DVD/CD-RW It is not recognized by the system. What do I need to do in order to use both. I don't care about hot swapping capability just that whe I reboot with the floppy I get the floppy and with the DVD/CD-RW as well thanks Gerardo Amaya To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 8:14: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from savvyworld.net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE40B37B41B; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by savvyworld.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBBGDmR09467; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:13:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1008087228.3c1630bc9593b@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:13:48 -0800 From: Edwin Culp To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD/CD-RW References: <3C162233.87B9FC80@delaluz.net> In-Reply-To: <3C162233.87B9FC80@delaluz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 64.173.182.155 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gerardo, I would really like to see a dmesg with this new configuration. thanks, ed Quoting Gerardo Amaya : > Hello all > I have a presario 1700 Laptop, I have a bay for the floppy or the > DVD/CD-RW. > The problem I have is that I installed FreeBSD 4.4 RELEASE via ftp so I > > have to use the floppy, that was good. > now when I finished and I try to boot with the DVD/CD-RW It is not > recognized by the system. > What do I need to do in order to use both. I don't care about hot > swapping capability > just that whe I reboot with the floppy I get the floppy and with the > DVD/CD-RW as well > > > thanks > > Gerardo Amaya > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 8:17:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF45C37B419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13188 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sol.eng.fore.com (sol.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.155.73]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12640 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from gravel.fore.com (gravel [169.144.87.66]) by sol.eng.fore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28407 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jritorto@localhost) by gravel.fore.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fBBGH9303440 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gravel.fore.com: jritorto owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jacob Ritorto X-X-Sender: jritorto@gravel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun Type6 keyboard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, so last night I plugged the Sun kb into the usb on my already headless (serial console) FreeBSD box. I found a fairly busted old PC monitor lying about and watched the boot sequence. The FreeBSD loader thingie said that in fact a keyboard was sensed and began booting with that in mind (the console serial port remained silent). Unfortunately upon completion of boot, the Sun kb was unable to effectively communicate to the system. I hit just about every key, but only occasionally did a few little garbage characters spew forth. So there's some protocol convusion going down I guess. Any ideas? I'm encouraged that the boot loader knew there was a kb at least! --jake P.S. known good Sun kb. On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Hi all, > I'm rather new to PCing, but I greatly > admire your work on FreeBSD. Sadly, though, since > my fingers seem completely out of sorts on PC > keyboards, I've been longing for a way to > interface the Sun unix keyboards to this > wonderfully cheap, fast platform for a while. > Now that Sun uses USB keyboards, the > hardware is in place and so my dream should be > possible. How do I tell FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE to > notice the Sun USB keyboard and treat it as the > console input device? Kernel config file? > Please help as running that SPARCclassic > at home as an X display for the sole purpose of > avoiding 'spoiling' my keyboarding skills is > becoming unbearable.. > > thanks. > > --jake > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 8:59:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orac.moffetimages.com (dsl3-63-249-88-4.cruzio.com [63.249.88.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF7337B417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from DIABLO.moffetimages.com (dhcp-64.moffetimages.com [192.168.20.64]) by orac.moffetimages.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24735; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brianm@moffetimages.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011211085224.00ae07b8@orac.moffetimages.com> X-Sender: brianm@orac.moffetimages.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:00:20 -0800 To: Bakul Shah From: "Brian D. Moffet" Subject: Re: i286 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200112110552.AAA08679@valiant.cnchost.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:52 PM 12/10/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Not that anyone cares any more but... i286 provides good >enough protection -- you can have each prcoess in its own >protected address space without any external h/w support >(like we had to do for Moto 68000 based machines). What it >didn't provide was support for paging. A company called >Microport released a "real" unix for 286 in, I think, 1985. >Another company called Bell Technologies used to sell PC/ATs >bundled with Microport's Unix and their own drivers for >various I/O devices until Intel bought them out. Microport >is still around but don't know if they sell Unix on PC/ATs >anymore! SCO, at that time "Santa Cruz Operation" also provided a "real" Unix, ie Xenix. Supported paging only on the level of 64K segments. There were some rather interesting problems with it. There was a constant battle between Microport and SCO because of some technology that they used, which was claimed by SCO to be proprietary. The ability to change console screens (multiscreens they were called) was one of those. That came from SCO. Of course Xenix originally came from Microsoft in the early 80's, so it all boils down to that large company in the beginning ;-) The 286 version worked better than the 8086 version though. That was able to support memory management by taking advantage of the fact that it was a 16 nit machine, and used the segment register to act as a very crude memory management. There was no protection as you might guess. I remember we had what was called a "JAM" area, where the relocation information for libraries would be held. When a process started, the kernel would write the correct offsets (since the process had to know about the actual address) into this area, and then start the process running. I remember working on these two while I worked at SCO, I was in the tech support department. I eventually moved to kernel engineering to work on the 386 port of Unix. Too much trivia for you :-) Brian Brian D. Moffet brianm@moffetimages.com -- http://www.moffetimages.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 9:26:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F2737C083 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CFDDC18F1; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4F918F0; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:18:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:18:31 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Jacob Ritorto Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun Type6 keyboard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > the Sun kb was unable to effectively communicate > to the system. I hit just about every key, but > only occasionally did a few little garbage > characters spew forth. So there's some protocol > convusion going down I guess. > Any ideas? I'm encouraged that the boot > loader knew there was a kb at least! I doubt you're going to get it to work. The hardware is too different. It's like you're trying to plug a Serial port directly into a USB port. A similiar discussion was just had on one of the Sun mailing lists. The short answer on that side was don't plug any PC PS/2 stuff into the Sun, as it will fry. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 9:34:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.68.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EDB37BABF for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22136; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sol.eng.fore.com (sol.pit.comms.marconi.com [169.144.155.73]) by mailman.pit.comms.marconi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13372; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from gravel.fore.com (gravel [169.144.87.66]) by sol.eng.fore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00695; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jritorto@localhost) by gravel.fore.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fBBHXoJ03493; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:33:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gravel.fore.com: jritorto owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:33:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jacob Ritorto X-X-Sender: jritorto@gravel To: Rick Hamell Cc: Jacob Ritorto , Subject: Re: Sun Type6 keyboard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, the Sun type6 USB keyboard is not serial. It's usb. There is a difference between this and the regular Sun type6 keyboard. The Sun type6 usb keyboard is new for the sunblades. No keyboards were harmed in the making of this hardware compatibility check. Thanks.. --jake On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > the Sun kb was unable to effectively communicate > > to the system. I hit just about every key, but > > only occasionally did a few little garbage > > characters spew forth. So there's some protocol > > convusion going down I guess. > > Any ideas? I'm encouraged that the boot > > loader knew there was a kb at least! > > I doubt you're going to get it to work. The hardware is too > different. It's like you're trying to plug a Serial port directly into a > USB port. A similiar discussion was just had on one of the Sun mailing > lists. The short answer on that side was don't plug any PC PS/2 stuff into > the Sun, as it will fry. > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 9:43: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E53237B446 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD72518F1; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE7218F0; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Jacob Ritorto Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sun Type6 keyboard? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Actually, the Sun type6 USB keyboard is > not serial. It's usb. There is a difference > between this and the regular Sun type6 keyboard. > The Sun type6 usb keyboard is new for the > sunblades. No keyboards were harmed in the making > of this hardware compatibility check. My mistake... I thought you were using the PS2 type KB! :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 9:44:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E719437B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by rodney.cnchost.com id MAA06610; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:44:20 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200112111744.MAA06610@rodney.cnchost.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD+R Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:44:20 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These drives are now beginning to be available but the choices are confusing! Various web sites explain what each type of format does (at this point they are all 4.7GB per side but provide different amount of compatibility with traditional DVDs, {-,+}R formats are for write-once). Questions for the better informed people: - does freebsd support any of these formats? - which one is likely to survive? [assuming your crystal ball is clearer than mine] - are there any recommended drive models? any models to avoid? - how believeable are the claims of the dvd+rw alliance vs the dvd forum? - is DVD-RAM really preferable for all data use? - is the media compatible for DVD{+RW,-RW,-RAM}? Thanks for any info! -- bakul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 10:24:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3426E37B421 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (yogotech.nokia.com [4.22.66.156]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05533; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:23:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBBINYg00437; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:23:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15382.20261.860671.461839@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:23:33 -0700 To: Bakul Shah Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i286 In-Reply-To: <200112110552.AAA08679@valiant.cnchost.com> References: <15381.12530.404008.733531@caddis.yogotech.com> <200112110552.AAA08679@valiant.cnchost.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? > > > > Never in a million years. There exists no 'real' unix for the 286, > > since the 286 hardware is incapable of protecting processes well enough > > to be safe. > > Not that anyone cares any more but... i286 provides good > enough protection -- you can have each prcoess in its own > protected address space without any external h/w support > (like we had to do for Moto 68000 based machines). What it > didn't provide was support for paging. As I understand, don't you need paging for 'real' protection to work right, otherwise you're limited to one/two processes on the box? > A company called > Microport released a "real" unix for 286 in, I think, 1985. > Another company called Bell Technologies used to sell PC/ATs > bundled with Microport's Unix and their own drivers for > various I/O devices until Intel bought them out. Microport > is still around but don't know if they sell Unix on PC/ATs > anymore! Thanks for the info! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 10:32:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE6D37B423 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22195 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2001 18:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2001 18:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15382.20261.860671.461839@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: i286 Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron , Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Dec-01 Nate Williams wrote: >> > > Exist some kind of FreeBSD's version for intel 286 processor? >> > >> > Never in a million years. There exists no 'real' unix for the 286, >> > since the 286 hardware is incapable of protecting processes well enough >> > to be safe. >> >> Not that anyone cares any more but... i286 provides good >> enough protection -- you can have each prcoess in its own >> protected address space without any external h/w support >> (like we had to do for Moto 68000 based machines). What it >> didn't provide was support for paging. > > As I understand, don't you need paging for 'real' protection to work > right, otherwise you're limited to one/two processes on the box? Well, you have to do swapping to handle virtual memory rather than virtual memory, so it does limit your concurrency. You might be able to play tricks to emulate pages by using multiple selectors but that would be ugly. It would be a bit slow anyways. Go find a 486. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 10:56:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F9F37B419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:56:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by warspite.cnchost.com id NAA26541; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:55:43 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200112111855.NAA26541@warspite.cnchost.com> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: 9ustavo 9onzalez 9iron , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i286 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:23:33 MST." <15382.20261.860671.461839@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:55:43 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As I understand, don't you need paging for 'real' protection to work > right, otherwise you're limited to one/two processes on the box? Use of a page table to map a virtual address VA to a physical address PA is the most common method but not the only one. In the extreme case all you need is hardware that can do: PA = contents of a base_register + VA As long as the base register is not visible to user mode programs and the phys addr range for different processes didn't overlap, your process is protected! Actually, you don't even need virtual address space; just protectable address ranges (something you can do in i286) so that a process can only access address ranges open to it but this is not useful except for specialized closed system. The common method was in early 80s was to use two to four segments: code, initialized data, bss and stack. When you needed to make space for a new process, you swapped out an old process to disk instead of a few pages. This is how Unix upto V7 and, I believe also, system 3 (SVR3) worked. Please look up the Unix history for details. -- bakul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 13: 2:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A327337B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by glatton.cnchost.com id QAA14253; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200112112102.QAA14253@glatton.cnchost.com> To: Bryan-TheBS-Smith Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD+R In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:34:29 EST." <3C1651B5.A7A973A7@ieee.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:02:10 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your response. First, for everyone's info see http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html This is a pretty good FAQ. After a quick scan of this and some other webpages it seems DVD+RW is the way to go *if* you want to make DVD player compatible DVDs. DVD-RAM is only for data but can be written 100K times (as opposed to 1K for DVD{+,-}RW). > DVD uses the UDF (universal device format) filesystem, and Linux/BSD > support UDF. So provided the devices themselves have a driver, yes. That is good to know. > Panasonic DVD-RAM and Pioneer DVD-R/W drives are the two, officially > sactioned DVD rewritable standards by the DVD consortium. The standard names seems to be DVD-RW for what you are calling DVD-R/W, right? > So I don't see DVD-RAM as the "consumer" drive, but it is definately > going to live because of its unrivaled archival advantages, especially > media longevity. All rewritable DVD media seems to have similar longevity though the cartridge definitely offers protection. Of course, the usual problem in the computer world is that drives become rarer than hen's teeth way before the medium becomes unreadable. > PIONEER DVD-R/W Haven't found anything about this format. > Sony/Philips' [now defunct, see below] DVD-R+W standard, short of Is this the same as DVD+RW? > consortium has accepted it as an officially supported standard and two > is that Sony/Philips are dropping their DVD-R+W bastard in favor of > DVD-R/W. Websites seem to say Sony and Phillips are solidly behind DVD+RW not behind DVD-RW but since I am not familiar with the terminology you use I have no idea what you are talking about! > Although a new, 2nd gen DVD-R+W drive with 4.7GB capacity has finally > arrived, S/P has seemingly put its support behind Pioneer's DVD-R/W, a > standard that is now recognized by the DVD consortium (unlike DVD-R+W). References please? Thanks! -- bakul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 19: 7:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703A237B41B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07750 for hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:07:04 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I know the purists in the UNIX world favor SCSI -- and I do, too -- but I'm configuring a system that has IDE/ATAPI and need to figure out how best to distribute three devices among two IDE interfaces. The machine will be a Web proxy. It'll have a system hard drive (containing the OS and swap) and then a second very large one to hold the cache. There's also a CD-ROM. Which devices should go on which interface for the best performance, and why? --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 21:23:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp002pub.verizon.net (smtp002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9752D37B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gte.net (evrtwa1-ar4-4-34-145-186.evrtwa1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.145.186]) by smtp002pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fBC5NHP15852 Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:23:17 -0600 (CST) Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA55666; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:23:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:23:47 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: Brett Glass Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? Message-ID: <20011211212347.A55653@darkstar.gte.net> References: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:07:04PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've heard that putting a slow CDROM and a faster HD on the same cable causes that cable to run at the slower of the two speeds. IE PIO/DMA/33/66, etc. [RC] On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 08:07:04PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > Yes, I know the purists in the UNIX world favor SCSI -- and I do, too -- > but I'm configuring a system that has IDE/ATAPI and need to figure > out how best to distribute three devices among two IDE interfaces. > > The machine will be a Web proxy. It'll have a system hard drive > (containing the OS and swap) and then a second very large one > to hold the cache. There's also a CD-ROM. > > Which devices should go on which interface for the best > performance, and why? > > --Brett Glass > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 22:30:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F7737B41C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011212063012.QQLE21916.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:30:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3C16F99D.F66D3506@home.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:30:53 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bakul Shah Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD+R References: <200112112102.QAA14253@glatton.cnchost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bakul Shah wrote: > After a quick scan of this and some other webpages it seems > DVD+RW is the way to go *if* you want to make DVD player > compatible DVDs. DVD-RAM is only for data but can be written > 100K times (as opposed to 1K for DVD{+,-}RW). Despite the marketing hype, real-world testing (e.g. PC World) finds that DVD+RW suffers from the same problem as DVD-RW - that the discs are unrecognizable by most DVD-ROM drives and players. The RW discs (both types) get mis-interpreted as dual-layer discs, and the drives/players go nuts trying to read them, finally giving up. The ONLY format that is readable by almost every DVD-ROM *and* DVD player, which is available today, is DVD-R. I can personally attest that they are readable in several DVD-ROM drives, and my 3 year old DVD player. DVD+RW drives can NOT write DVD-R, and of course DVD+R is only vaporware at this time. > All rewritable DVD media seems to have similar longevity > though the cartridge definitely offers protection. Of > course, the usual problem in the computer world is that > drives become rarer than hen's teeth way before the medium > becomes unreadable. In the CD world it is generally recognized that the R media has a longer archival life than RW media. Since the DVD RW media chemical is similar to the CD-RW media, I think it probably has a similar life. In other words, for long term storage, my belief is that DVD-R will last the longest. That is, DVD-R should last well beyond the time it becomes obsolete. I only use DVD-RW media for temporary storage, figuring it may only last a few years. It may last longer, but why take the chance? If you want to keep your data a long time, why not use DVD-R, which is cheaper anyway? And before you ask :), I haven't yet tried reading (or writing) any DVD on FreeBSD... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 11 22:41: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4E537B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.3.185.85]) by femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011212064059.SQNJ26611.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:40:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3C16FC24.3BD0C3F1@home.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:41:40 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Clark Cc: Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, " =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Schmidt" Subject: Re: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? References: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org> <20011211212347.A55653@darkstar.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Clark wrote: > > I've heard that putting a slow CDROM and a faster > HD on the same cable causes that cable to run > at the slower of the two speeds. > > IE PIO/DMA/33/66, etc. This used to be the case, but apparently is NOT a limitation of the IDE interface itself. On my Windows machine, I have the latest/greatest Intel IDE driver for the Intel IDE interface in my chipset. It allows each device to run at the maximum speed of the device, regardless if you mix fast/slow devices on the same cable. So the interesting question is what does the latest/greatest FreeBSD IDE driver do when you mix fast/slow devices on the same cable... ;-) Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 12 11:15:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailrtr02.ntelos.net (mailrtr02.ntelos.net [216.12.0.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CB637B416 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from thunderbolt.net.cfw.com (thunderbolt.net.cfw.com [216.12.8.195]) by mailrtr02.ntelos.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fBCJFC310981 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:15:12 -0500 Subject: 4.4R cd boot on alpha? From: Eric Sproul To: FreeBSD Hardware Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 14:15:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1008184511.969.1.camel@thunderbolt.net.cfw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have another Alpha question. On an AlphaStation 400 with SRM V6.7-2, when I try to boot from the CDROM, it finds a valid boot block, but then fails. I presume I have the right device: >>>show device dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 RZ26L 442D dka200.2.0.6.0 DKA200 RZ28L-AS 0654 dka400.4.0.6.0 DKA400 RRD43 1084 dka0 and dka200 are hdd's, so dka400 must be the CDROM (the DEC labels are cryptic to me). so I do >>>boot dka400 -file '' -flags '' and get (boot dka400.4.0.6.0 -file '' -flags '') block 0 of dka400.4.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 370 blocks from dka400.4.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 2e400 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code halted CPU 0 halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = 4 This is a CD burned from the 4.4-install.iso image. I burned it on a Linux box with cdrecord. Can anyone tell me if I'm doing something wrong? I was following the installation procedure from the handbook (2.3.1.2, "Booting for the Alpha"). :) Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 13 17: 5:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274E37B41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from columbia ([12.93.208.99]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011214010451.DMQD13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@columbia>; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:04:51 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Brett Glass" , Subject: RE: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <009301c1843b$16f9efa0$6600000a@ach.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brett Glass > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:07 PM > To: hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? > > Yes, I know the purists in the UNIX world favor SCSI -- and I do, too -- > but I'm configuring a system that has IDE/ATAPI and need to figure > out how best to distribute three devices among two IDE interfaces. > > The machine will be a Web proxy. It'll have a system hard drive > (containing the OS and swap) and then a second very large one > to hold the cache. There's also a CD-ROM. > > Which devices should go on which interface for the best > performance, and why? Put the CD-Rom on a chain by itself, and put the two hard drives on a single chain. Why? This generally keeps the I/O stream from slowing down any time that the CD-Rom drive is polled. If the CD-Rom is only going to be used for installing the OS, why not remove it entirely before putting the system into production? That way, you can put each drive on it's own controller, which would maximize your throughput even further. --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 13 19:22:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from happy.cow.org (happy.cow.org [198.88.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDBC37B41F for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ravi@localhost) by happy.cow.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id fBE3K1o05998 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:20:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:20:01 -0500 From: ravi pina To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IDE RAID Revisited Message-ID: <20011213222001.E4731@happy.cow.org> Reply-To: ravi@cow.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey. can anyone suggest a good mobo that has onboard ide raid? does such a best exist? i recall seeing one a few months ago, but don't remember what make and comparability. thanks. -r -- echo "send pgp key" | mail ravi@cow.org Why, when I wind up my watch, I start it, but when I wind up a project, I end it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 13 21:35:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9163D37B405 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id fBE5ZjY23015; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:35:45 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:35:45 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: ravi pina Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE RAID Revisited Message-ID: <20011213213544.A14981@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20011213222001.E4731@happy.cow.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011213222001.E4731@happy.cow.org>; from ravi@cow.org on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:20:01PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 10:20:01PM -0500, ravi pina wrote: > can anyone suggest a good mobo that has onboard > ide raid? does such a best exist? i recall > seeing one a few months ago, but don't remember > what make and comparability. The onboard IDE raid controlers are crap. They provide almost no protection against anything and pretty much no performance gain either. If you want protection use a real IDE raid controler like the 3ware Escalade series. If you want performance use ccd or vinum. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8GYycXY6L6fI4GtQRAlZ0AKDZuEgR0Hdd5T/O5/WozE09+BYFYwCgxGVS K6L17HUQzVqD17Rv1gjl5dE= =JZfF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 13 21:46: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from out003pub.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2801F37B405 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gte.net (evrtwa1-ar4-4-34-145-186.evrtwa1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.145.186]) by out003pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fBE5k5P20841 Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:46:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA61003; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:46:41 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: "Andrew C. Hornback" Cc: Brett Glass , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? Message-ID: <20011213214641.A60944@darkstar.gte.net> References: <200112120307.UAA07750@lariat.org> <009301c1843b$16f9efa0$6600000a@ach.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <009301c1843b$16f9efa0$6600000a@ach.domain>; from achornback@worldnet.att.net on Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 08:03:06PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seem to remember that switching from one IDE channel to the other, on some IDE controllers at least, can take enough time to cause a performance hit. But its a pretty vague memory. [RC] On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 08:03:06PM -0500, Andrew C. Hornback wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brett Glass > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:07 PM > > To: hardware@freebsd.org > > Subject: Where to put the CD on an IDE system? > > > > Yes, I know the purists in the UNIX world favor SCSI -- and I do, too -- > > but I'm configuring a system that has IDE/ATAPI and need to figure > > out how best to distribute three devices among two IDE interfaces. > > > > The machine will be a Web proxy. It'll have a system hard drive > > (containing the OS and swap) and then a second very large one > > to hold the cache. There's also a CD-ROM. > > > > Which devices should go on which interface for the best > > performance, and why? > > Put the CD-Rom on a chain by itself, and put the two hard drives on a > single chain. > > Why? This generally keeps the I/O stream from slowing down any time that > the CD-Rom drive is polled. If the CD-Rom is only going to be used for > installing the OS, why not remove it entirely before putting the system into > production? That way, you can put each drive on it's own controller, which > would maximize your throughput even further. > > --- Andy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 14 16:43:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B0737B416 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBF0hJ087448 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:43:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:43:19 -0800 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Question about a strange hardware problem Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got an intermittent hardware problem on one of the CVSup mirror sites, and I would appreciate some experienced opinions about whether it's likely to be in the SCSI controller, the SCSI cable, the hard drive, or elsewhere. The symptom is that the checkouts.cvs file which maintains state between CVSup updates occasionally gets 1-bit errors at random places in it. I haven't seen any similar errors in the actual content on the mirror; but it is on a different drive, its access patterns are different, and errors there might be less noticeable. The errors in checkouts.cvs cause updates to break until I intervene manually, so I notice those pretty quickly. The motherboard is an Asus P2B-LS board with on-board Adaptec chip. Here's the relevant part of the dmesg output: ahc0: port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xe2000000-0xe2000fff irq 10 at device 6.0 on pci0 aic7890/91: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 30, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) The files with the 1-bit errors are on da0, which also has all of the OS files. The mirror content is on da1. The OS version is FreeBSD-4.2-STABLE from around last January, plus a few security patches. The system has been up for 317 days. It seems like if the problem were in the RAM (the obvious place), it would have crashed by now. I can't remember whether it has ECC memory or now, and the system isn't physically accessible to me. If the errors were on the SCSI cable, parity checking ought to detect them. And if the media were bad, I should be seeing some disk errors in the dmesg output. But I have never seen even one. The errors don't show up in specific disk blocks -- they appear to be at random places. Given all that, it seems to me that the problem must be in the drive electronics of da0. What do you think? As a test, I've moved the files that always show the errors over to da1 for a while, to see if that fixes it. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 14 17:37:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA57B37B419 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBF1hLb05808; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200112150143.fBF1hLb05808@mass.dis.org> To: John Polstra Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Question about a strange hardware problem In-Reply-To: Message from John Polstra of "Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:43:19 PST." Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:43:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The system has been up for 317 days. It seems like if the problem > were in the RAM (the obvious place), it would have crashed by now. That's not a given at all. > Given all that, it seems to me that the problem must be in the drive > electronics of da0. What do you think? As a test, I've moved the > files that always show the errors over to da1 for a while, to see if > that fixes it. That's a good test, and I'd want to see the results of it before making any more judgements, although you might just be masking the problem. 8( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 14 18: 0: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE3737B417; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBF203088401; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id fBF203608508; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200112150200.fBF203608508@vashon.polstra.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about a strange hardware problem In-Reply-To: <200112150143.fBF1hLb05808@mass.dis.org> References: <200112150143.fBF1hLb05808@mass.dis.org> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <200112150143.fBF1hLb05808@mass.dis.org>, Mike Smith wrote: > > The system has been up for 317 days. It seems like if the problem > > were in the RAM (the obvious place), it would have crashed by now. > > That's not a given at all. Agreed. I'm just playing a guessing game. > > Given all that, it seems to me that the problem must be in the drive > > electronics of da0. What do you think? As a test, I've moved the > > files that always show the errors over to da1 for a while, to see if > > that fixes it. > > That's a good test, and I'd want to see the results of it before making > any more judgements, although you might just be masking the problem. 8( I'll let you know what happens. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 14 19:45: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6651C37B417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.158.214.244] (HELO gforce.johnson.home) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 7819828 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:51:19 -0500 Received: (from glenn@localhost) by gforce.johnson.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBF3ixr01972 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:44:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from glenn) From: Glenn Johnson Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:44:58 -0600 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Iwill KK266PLUS-RAID motherboard Message-ID: <20011215034458.GA1941@gforce.johnson.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any experience with the Iwill KK266PLUS-RAID motherboard using FreeBSD. I am interested in if the onboard sound works and especially want to know if the AMI ATA/100 IDE RAID works with FreeBSD. Thanks in advance. -- Glenn Johnson glennpj@charter.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 15 8:31:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from delaluz.net (kenner2D-blk1-hfc-0251-d1db1583.rdc2.tx.coxatwork.com [209.219.21.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7E537B405; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from delaluz.net ([216.230.150.23]) by delaluz.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18155; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:42:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C1B79CD.CE4C3E84@delaluz.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:26:53 -0600 From: Gerardo Amaya X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Almost give up with this Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install XFree 4.1.0 and when I try # XFree86 -configure I get this error Fatal server error: XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it Is my card PCI or AGP?? I try to load the agp module and got the same error. I really need to run this thing thanks Gerardo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 15 8:56:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from savvyworld.net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8433837B405; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by savvyworld.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBFGuGg23761; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:56:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:56:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1008435376.3c1b80b0bbc06@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:56:16 -0800 From: Edwin Culp To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Almost give up with this References: <3C1B79CD.CE4C3E84@delaluz.net> In-Reply-To: <3C1B79CD.CE4C3E84@delaluz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ100843537638dc81202430683e9d7388282287d993" User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 64.173.182.155 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. ---MOQ100843537638dc81202430683e9d7388282287d993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gerardo, Would you please copy the attached XF86Config file to /etc/X11/XF86Config and then execute # startx Let me know the results? I have sent this to you privately and have received no feedback. I, too, have 1700 and this configuration works fine with my ATI mobility card. Provecho y Suerte ed Quoting Gerardo Amaya : > I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install > XFree 4.1.0 and when I try > > # XFree86 -configure > > I get this error > > Fatal server error: > > XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. > Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. > Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages. > This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. > > I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it > > Is my card PCI or AGP?? > I try to load the agp module and got the same error. > > I really need to run this thing > > thanks > > Gerardo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > --- ---MOQ100843537638dc81202430683e9d7388282287d993 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="XF86Config" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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root@localhost) by savvyworld.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBFH8od23898; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:08:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1008436130.3c1b83a289823@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:08:50 -0800 From: Edwin Culp To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MORE ! ! Re: Almost give up with this MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ100843613024b105c7c12fdf77b081985aca3f7c48" User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 64.173.182.155 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. ---MOQ100843613024b105c7c12fdf77b081985aca3f7c48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gerardo, Just realized that your return address may have problems. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- gerardo@delaluz.net (reason: 550 ... User unknown) So you may not be receiving the email that I have sent privately. I also thought of one more item that might be overlooked. If you haven't installed the wrapper program so that you can startx as any user other than root go to # cd /usr/ports/x11/wrapper # make install That will keep you from having set the root uid on /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 executable. ed Gerardo, Would you please copy the attached XF86Config file to /etc/X11/XF86Config and then execute # startx Let me know the results? I have sent this to you privately and have received no feedback. I, too, have 1700 and this configuration works fine with my ATI mobility card. Provecho y Suerte ed Quoting Gerardo Amaya : > I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install > XFree 4.1.0 and when I try > > # XFree86 -configure > > I get this error > > Fatal server error: > > XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. > Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. > Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages. > This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. > > I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it > > Is my card PCI or AGP?? > I try to load the agp module and got the same error. > > I really need to run this thing > > thanks > > Gerardo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > --- --- --- ---MOQ100843613024b105c7c12fdf77b081985aca3f7c48 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="XF86Config" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 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localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13143E17; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:47:51 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Gerardo Amaya Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, andy@CRWdog.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Almost give up with this In-Reply-To: Message from Gerardo Amaya of "Sat, 15 Dec 2001 10:26:53 CST." <3C1B79CD.CE4C3E84@delaluz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-802856960P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:47:51 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20011216024751.C13143E17@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-802856960P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please post a dmesg. Then we can tell you whether the help Edwin tried to give you (with the config file) or the help I tried to give you (advising that a Radeon M6 requires XFree86-4.1.99 from www.XFree86.org's CVS server later than Nov) is the appropriate path to follow. FYI, the chipid is the model of the graphics chipset, and this can be seen from either 'dmesg' output or a 'scanpci'. The Radeon M6 is aka the LY. Therefore, an LY is 0x4c59, and this *requires* support from XFree86.org. Or wait until next year when XFree86 4.2 is released. An ATI Rage 128 Mobility M1 is an LM, and this (and many others Rage/Radeon cards) will work with XFree86-4.1 from 'ports'. The M6/LY card will not. It might, if you force the chipset recognition code, but there are still potentially LCD panel detection issues with pre-December XFree86 code. Cheers, AS > I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install > XFree 4.1.0 and when I try > > # XFree86 -configure > > I get this error > > Fatal server error: > > XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. > Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. > Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages. > This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. > > I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it > > Is my card PCI or AGP?? > I try to load the agp module and got the same error. > > I really need to run this thing > > thanks > > Gerardo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > --==_Exmh_-802856960P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE8HAtXPHh895bDXeQRArSWAJ0YKYcEfF57Pw+NFOnSfobW15oTcQCfaLX+ Q5vbfUVg0c/SNiH6CCgMGSI= =odGV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-802856960P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 15 19: 7:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from savvyworld.net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C6D37B405; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by savvyworld.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBG37bq12193; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:07:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:07:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1008472057.3c1c0ff9d2348@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:07:37 -0800 From: Edwin Culp To: Andy Sparrow Cc: Gerardo Amaya , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, andy@CRWdog.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Almost give up with this References: <20011216024751.C13143E17@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20011216024751.C13143E17@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: 64.173.182.155 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the info, Andy. I didn't realize that Compaq was already using different chipsets. That is always a problem with Compaq laptops. The configuration filet that I sent works with the LM chipset. Gerardo, as Andy and I both said, send us a dmesg and/or scanpci, if the configuration file doesn't work. ed Quoting Andy Sparrow : > > Please post a dmesg. > > Then we can tell you whether the help Edwin tried to give you (with the > config > file) or the help I tried to give you (advising that a Radeon M6 requires > XFree86-4.1.99 from www.XFree86.org's CVS server later than Nov) is the > appropriate path to follow. > > > FYI, the chipid is the model of the graphics chipset, and this can be seen > from either 'dmesg' output or a 'scanpci'. > > The Radeon M6 is aka the LY. > > Therefore, an LY is 0x4c59, and this *requires* support from XFree86.org. Or > > wait until next year when XFree86 4.2 is released. > > An ATI Rage 128 Mobility M1 is an LM, and this (and many others Rage/Radeon > > cards) will work with XFree86-4.1 from 'ports'. > > The M6/LY card will not. It might, if you force the chipset recognition code, > > but there are still potentially LCD panel detection issues with pre-December > > XFree86 code. > > Cheers, > > AS > > I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install > > XFree 4.1.0 and when I try > > > > # XFree86 -configure > > > > I get this error > > > > Fatal server error: > > > > XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. > > Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. > > Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. > > > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > > the full server output, not just the last messages. > > This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > > Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. > > > > I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it > > > > Is my card PCI or AGP?? > > I try to load the agp module and got the same error. > > > > I really need to run this thing > > > > thanks > > > > Gerardo > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > > > --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 15 21: 5:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from CRWdog.demon.co.uk (adsl-216-103-105-71.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.105.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CE037B41A; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8E23E17; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:05:11 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Edwin Culp Cc: Gerardo Amaya , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Almost give up with this In-Reply-To: Message from Edwin Culp of "Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:07:37 PST." <1008472057.3c1c0ff9d2348@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_252272640P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:05:11 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20011216050511.5A8E23E17@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_252272640P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Thanks for the info, Andy. I didn't realize that Compaq was already > using different chipsets. That is always a problem with Compaq laptops. > The configuration filet that I sent works with the LM chipset. OK, that's a Rage 128 variant, exactly the same chipset as my Omnibook 6000. It uses the Mach64 driver. The Radeon Mobility M6 (LY) is the chipset in the Omnibook 6100 I had recently, and uses the Radeon driver. Lots of vendors are shipping this now, especially in higher-end laptops. It's possible that you can force the older Radeon driver (e.g. from XFree 4.1) to accept the chipset in the XFree86-config, but you potentially will still have the issues with the laptop panel not probing. There was an XFree86 commit that fixed this for me (and others with various machines) on 11/15/01. Cheers, AS > Gerardo, as Andy and I both said, send us a dmesg and/or scanpci, if the > configuration file doesn't work. > > ed > > Quoting Andy Sparrow : > > > > > Please post a dmesg. > > > > Then we can tell you whether the help Edwin tried to give you (with the > > config > > file) or the help I tried to give you (advising that a Radeon M6 requires > > XFree86-4.1.99 from www.XFree86.org's CVS server later than Nov) is the > > appropriate path to follow. > > > > > > FYI, the chipid is the model of the graphics chipset, and this can be seen > > from either 'dmesg' output or a 'scanpci'. > > > > The Radeon M6 is aka the LY. > > > > Therefore, an LY is 0x4c59, and this *requires* support from XFree86.org. Or > > > > wait until next year when XFree86 4.2 is released. > > > > An ATI Rage 128 Mobility M1 is an LM, and this (and many others Rage/Radeon > > > > cards) will work with XFree86-4.1 from 'ports'. > > > > The M6/LY card will not. It might, if you force the chipset recognition code, > > > > but there are still potentially LCD panel detection issues with pre-December > > > > XFree86 code. > > > > Cheers, > > > > AS > > > I have a compaq presario 1700 with a mobility radeon card. I install > > > XFree 4.1.0 and when I try > > > > > > # XFree86 -configure > > > > > > I get this error > > > > > > Fatal server error: > > > > > > XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. > > > Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. > > > Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. > > > > > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > > > the full server output, not just the last messages. > > > This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". > > > Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. > > > > > > I attach my scanpci -v output if someone wants to see it > > > > > > Is my card PCI or AGP?? > > > I try to load the agp module and got the same error. > > > > > > I really need to run this thing > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Gerardo > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > --==_Exmh_252272640P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE8HCuHPHh895bDXeQRAgzWAJoD2wrsIPbjrd/9CFbXZTEfE6OACwCfaY+8 IzY1SkMWsgAbWAK4e5fyoOs= =ddfr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_252272640P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message