From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 4:24:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65F737B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25195; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:24:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdM25193; Sun Jan 14 22:24:09 2001 Message-ID: <00ee01c07e26$61539ae0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: <92.ee7dd35.27910a36@aol.com> Subject: Re: new documentaion Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:34:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are already quite a few current tutorials ..... freebsdvault.net, freebsddiary.org, & mostgraveconcern are three sites that come to mind that have extremely valuable user-friendly documentation, tutorials etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: new documentaion > Hello, > I have been using freebsd for awhile now, and I have noticed that > much of it's documentaion is quite dated, I believe documentaion is a key > part of support, especially for a newbie. Also there are many topics not > covered, I think this could all be changed. There are many of us on this list > right now who have enough knowledge to write good, up to date tutorials. > Anything that you think you know well about freebsd you could write a > tutorial about. Before long I think we would have a nice, cuurect, collection > of tutorials. > > I am going to be writing many tutorials in the next few weeks if > anyone wants to help me out, or write some too, that would be awesome. > > > Thanks alot guys, later > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 7:15:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183D037B402 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from neserve0.corp.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: neserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.92.148]) id QQjxyj05323; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:15:13 GMT Received: from localhost by neserve0.corp.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: rayhicks@localhost) id QQjxyj16298; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: Raymond Hicks X-Sender: rayhicks@neserve0.corp.us.uu.net To: Doug Young Cc: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new documentaition In-Reply-To: <00ee01c07e26$61539ae0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://bsdvault.net On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > There are already quite a few current tutorials ..... freebsdvault.net, > freebsddiary.org, > & mostgraveconcern are three sites that come to mind that have extremely > valuable user-friendly documentation, tutorials etc. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:32 AM > Subject: new documentaion > > > > Hello, > > I have been using freebsd for awhile now, and I have noticed that > > much of it's documentaion is quite dated, I believe documentaion is a key > > part of support, especially for a newbie. Also there are many topics not > > covered, I think this could all be changed. There are many of us on this > list > > right now who have enough knowledge to write good, up to date tutorials. > > Anything that you think you know well about freebsd you could write a > > tutorial about. Before long I think we would have a nice, cuurect, > collection > > of tutorials. > > > > I am going to be writing many tutorials in the next few weeks if > > anyone wants to help me out, or write some too, that would be awesome. > > > > > > Thanks alot guys, later > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 10: 3:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uvika.dn.ua (unknown [195.184.223.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8C337B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from uvika.dn.ua (i-ris.donbass.com [195.184.222.22]) by uvika.dn.ua (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f0EI2I899810 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:02:19 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <200101141802.f0EI2I899810@uvika.dn.ua> From: "Igor E. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 13:18:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f130.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C439F37B69C for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:18:40 -0800 Received: from 64.29.224.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:18:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.29.224.29] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new documentaion Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:18:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2001 21:18:40.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[9110A270:01C07E6F] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From what I have seen, the documentations that exists is too shallow and un-uniform to be of any use to newbies. Only the handbook and Complete FreeBSD seem to offer anything that is complete. >From: "Doug Young" >To: , >Subject: Re: new documentaion >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:34:44 +1000 > >There are already quite a few current tutorials ..... freebsdvault.net, >freebsddiary.org, >& mostgraveconcern are three sites that come to mind that have extremely >valuable user-friendly documentation, tutorials etc. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:32 AM >Subject: new documentaion > > > > Hello, > > I have been using freebsd for awhile now, and I have noticed >that > > much of it's documentaion is quite dated, I believe documentaion is a >key > > part of support, especially for a newbie. Also there are many topics not > > covered, I think this could all be changed. There are many of us on this >list > > right now who have enough knowledge to write good, up to date tutorials. > > Anything that you think you know well about freebsd you could write a > > tutorial about. Before long I think we would have a nice, cuurect, >collection > > of tutorials. > > > > I am going to be writing many tutorials in the next few weeks if > > anyone wants to help me out, or write some too, that would be awesome. > > > > > > Thanks alot guys, later > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 13:33:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD16237B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25708; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:32:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdy25706; Mon Jan 15 07:32:40 2001 Message-ID: <004b01c07e73$021f04e0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: , , References: Subject: Re: new documentaion Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:43:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I certainly wouldn't say that ...... I definitely prefer to use docs from the likes of bsdvault.net & freebsddiary.org to either of the "official" sources since they are written from a newbie viewpoint with infinitely more attention given to filling in the steps missing in documentation written by experts. Just the fact that more & more "user-friendly / newbie" sites are popping up is in itself a clear indication that despite recent improvements the official versions are still missing the boat to some extent. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason La" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: new documentaion > >From what I have seen, the documentations that exists is too shallow and > un-uniform to be of any use to newbies. Only the handbook and Complete > FreeBSD seem to offer anything that is complete. > > > >From: "Doug Young" > >To: , > >Subject: Re: new documentaion > >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:34:44 +1000 > > > >There are already quite a few current tutorials ..... freebsdvault.net, > >freebsddiary.org, > >& mostgraveconcern are three sites that come to mind that have extremely > >valuable user-friendly documentation, tutorials etc. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:32 AM > >Subject: new documentaion > > > > > > > Hello, > > > I have been using freebsd for awhile now, and I have noticed > >that > > > much of it's documentaion is quite dated, I believe documentaion is a > >key > > > part of support, especially for a newbie. Also there are many topics not > > > covered, I think this could all be changed. There are many of us on this > >list > > > right now who have enough knowledge to write good, up to date tutorials. > > > Anything that you think you know well about freebsd you could write a > > > tutorial about. Before long I think we would have a nice, cuurect, > >collection > > > of tutorials. > > > > > > I am going to be writing many tutorials in the next few weeks if > > > anyone wants to help me out, or write some too, that would be awesome. > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot guys, later > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 14 15:33:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3DF37B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from slip (ppp-asfm13-152.sirius.net [205.134.231.152]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17293 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: "| J || Randall |" To: Subject: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:39:30 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 15 3:27:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sina.com (unknown [202.106.187.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9964937B401 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41274 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 11:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (202.105.12.29) by 202.106.187.156 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 11:21:32 -0000 X-Sender: hangersales@sina.com From: Trend Hanger To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:25:57 +0800 Subject: We are exporting quality Hanger for cloth, pants Reply-To: hangersales@sina.com Organization: Trend Hanger Co. 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Johnson Sr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free-bsd newbies Subject: PPP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X is running with a KDE manager. earlier i ask if PPP could be configured from KDE, there aren't any steps in Greg's book on this. My modem is on com3, shouldn't i be using /dev/cuaa2 when i query the modem error says can't find it. Bill L. Johnson Sr. billsr@kconline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 6: 4:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from thessaloniki.telehorizon.com (unknown [195.66.101.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC3237B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by thessaloniki.telehorizon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03202 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from thdimi@thessaloniki.telehorizon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: thessaloniki.telehorizon.com: nobody set sender to thdimi@telehorizon.com using -f To: Message-ID: <979653658.3a64541a47daf@webmail.telehorizon.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:58 +0200 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0-pre13 X-Originating-IP: 195.66.101.98 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, i've sent this yesterday to the questions mailing-list but got now answer till now and i tought i'd give it a shot here as well.. well, here's what's up: when i have KDE loaded and i insert a _data_ cd in the cd-rom, there starts Kscd and asks me to "enter the local CDDB base Directory" !! It obviously thinks I have inserted an audio cd but.. why? Thereafter, i cannot mount or access the cd-rom.. When i'm out of XWindows my CD-ROM works just fine... Thanks in advance, Dimitri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 6:41:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2DD37B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28387; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:41:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdb28385; Wed Jan 17 00:41:11 2001 Message-ID: <018d01c07fcb$daba3960$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." , "free-bsd newbies" References: <3A640787.91E4AAAC@kconline.com> Subject: Re: PPP Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:51:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm always extremely suspicious of modems on COM3 / cuaa2 ..... invariably they have turned out to be winmodems. The only internal modems I've had any joy with have been 33.6k ISA ones I've used in neanderthal 386's to get around the problem with slow UART's ..... even then I've had a fair number of weird "no buffer space" issues. The default kernel only provides two serial ports anyway .... a compile is required to get cuaa2 / cuaa3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." To: "free-bsd newbies" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: PPP > X is running with a KDE manager. earlier i ask if PPP could be > configured from KDE, there aren't any steps in Greg's book on this. My > modem is on com3, shouldn't i be using /dev/cuaa2 when i query the modem > error says > can't find it. > > Bill L. Johnson Sr. > billsr@kconline.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 6:48:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7651C37B402 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.b2.fedb309 (4381) for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST Subject: Modem To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i want some more opinions. Thanks Arthur To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 7:10:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4578C37B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28425; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:09:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdP28423; Wed Jan 17 01:09:34 2001 Message-ID: <01cb01c07fcf$d1ce7420$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: Subject: Re: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:20:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Probably depends on where in the world you are ......we've had extremely good results from OZ made "Maestro's" in industrial WAN's & ISP type situations. Previous ones were mostly those dreadful generic asian disasters that lock solid at least once a day & support is totally non-existent. After a year or so I can't recall the Maestro's giving a hint of trouble. The manufacturer also employs a very helpful techno-nerd who speaks the accepted language of this country, so that wins them a heap of "brownie points" in my book.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: Modem > Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure > will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i > want some more opinions. Thanks > > Arthur > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 8:32:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hostorama.com (208-128-72-15.ipv4.intur.net [208.128.72.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F02E737B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 45857 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wk1) (12.45.139.50) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 16:45:51 -0000 From: "Eric Walters" To: , Subject: RE: Modem Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:32:30 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c07fd9$ec474b60$628a13ac@wk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-To: <5DBDB118A584D2119AB600805FA787320215BEE3@txcorp-msg-06.7-11.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From both a UNIX and DOS/Windows perspective I would highly recommend using a US Robotics. If you have plenty of time on your hands and feel like tinkering with initialization strings then a generic modem is for you. If you have more important things to be spending your time on than it is worth the extra money to buy a USR. My 2 cents worth, Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:48 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Modem Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i want some more opinions. Thanks Arthur To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 8:37:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sky.new.co.za (sky.new.co.za [196.25.18.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9BE37B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from snow (snow.new.co.za [196.25.18.131]) by sky.new.co.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26892 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:34:46 -0200 Message-ID: <006301c07fdb$8cdc7f40$831219c4@snow.new.co.za> Reply-To: "Wayne (Networld Support)" From: "Wayne (Networld Support)" To: Subject: Re: Modem Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:44:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would have to agree there, I have been using mine for over a year now and never had a problem , When i first started with Redhat it worked first time round and when i moved over to freebsd i had no problems either USR makes life easy and no fiddling with extra settings is required. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Eric Walters To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: 16 January 2001 23:52 Subject: RE: Modem >>From both a UNIX and DOS/Windows perspective I would highly recommend using >a US Robotics. If you have plenty of time on your hands and feel like >tinkering with initialization strings then a generic modem is for you. If >you have more important things to be spending your time on than it is worth >the extra money to buy a USR. > >My 2 cents worth, > >Eric > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of >GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:48 AM >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Modem > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i >want some more opinions. Thanks > > Arthur > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 8:38:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sky.new.co.za (sky.new.co.za [196.25.18.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B5737B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from snow (snow.new.co.za [196.25.18.131]) by sky.new.co.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26926 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:36:03 -0200 Message-ID: <007601c07fdb$bacaeb80$831219c4@snow.new.co.za> Reply-To: "Wayne (Networld Support)" From: "Wayne (Networld Support)" To: "free-bsd newbies" Subject: Re: PPP Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:45:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey This site helped me when i was setting mine up http://www.mcn.net/support/linux/kpppsetup.shtml Its steps thro the Kde ppp setup . Hope it helps a bit. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Bill L. Johnson Sr. To: free-bsd newbies Date: 16 January 2001 16:02 Subject: PPP >X is running with a KDE manager. earlier i ask if PPP could be >configured from KDE, there aren't any steps in Greg's book on this. My >modem is on com3, shouldn't i be using /dev/cuaa2 when i query the modem >error says >can't find it. > >Bill L. Johnson Sr. >billsr@kconline.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -----Original Message----- From: Bill L. Johnson Sr. To: free-bsd newbies Date: 16 January 2001 16:02 Subject: PPP >X is running with a KDE manager. earlier i ask if PPP could be >configured from KDE, there aren't any steps in Greg's book on this. My >modem is on com3, shouldn't i be using /dev/cuaa2 when i query the modem >error says >can't find it. > >Bill L. Johnson Sr. >billsr@kconline.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 10:11:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6146E37B402 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA74D6; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3A648E11.CDE58974@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:08:17 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > > Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure > will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i > want some more opinions. Thanks MODEMS FOR NEWBIES There are three types of modems commonly in use in the PC industry: external modems, internal component modems, and internal winmodems. The first two modems will work under any PC operating system. The latter will only work under Windows. Winmodems are bad things, even for Windows users. Telling the difference between a component modem (good) and an internal modem (evil) can be hard. But so far as I know, no external modem relies on software. If your OS can access the serial port then they will work with no problems. I personally prefer external modems. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 17:12:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E4A37B69C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:12:15 -0800 Received: from 203.121.16.73 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:12:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.121.16.73] From: "BSD Blood" To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:12:14 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 01:12:15.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[872CAFB0:01C08022] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using a external generic modem with rockwell chipset for nearly 4 years now. No problems at all with my other Unix workstations. >From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Modem >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i >want some more opinions. Thanks > > Arthur > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 16 21:12:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EA337B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29269; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:11:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdn29267; Wed Jan 17 15:11:36 2001 Message-ID: <004701c08043$faf99a40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "BSD Blood" , , References: Subject: Re: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:11:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Obviously some people have infinitely more patience with pox-ridden hardware than I have ..... the last generic modem I had was one of the silver colored spaceship styled "WebExcel" branded beasts .. possibly sold as either "Protac" or "Rockwell" in other parts of the planet than OZ. It did work fine ..... for maybe 6 - 8 hours. Now thats probably fair enough for the average 2 hour a day dialup user but it certainly is NOT on a permanent connection. Apparently the pretty color / design means the thing overheats quickly & it then needs a few hours rest to cool off before its prepared to do another shift. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BSD Blood" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Modem > I've been using a external generic modem with rockwell chipset for nearly 4 > years now. No problems at all with my other Unix workstations. > > > >From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com > >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > >Subject: Modem > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST > > > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be sure > >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but i > >want some more opinions. Thanks > > > > Arthur > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 0:14:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ratatosk.sveg.se.sykes.com (proxy.sveg.se.sykes.com [195.67.11.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B272F37B401 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:14:00 +0100 Message-ID: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108930@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= To: 'Doug Young' , BSD Blood , GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:13:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One model that I was positively surprised of was Diamond's SupraExpress. (I used the v.34) nice modem, no power switch so I assume it is supposed to manage a slightly longer periods of connection time. at least it managed to download fbsd 2.2.6 (or was it 3.1). Too bad that lightning broke it. Another working model is TeleWell, I've got the 56k model and works fine'n'fast. I've never used internal modems, and never will.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:12 AM > To: BSD Blood; GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Modem > > > Obviously some people have infinitely more patience with > pox-ridden hardware > than I have ..... the last generic modem I had was one of the silver > colored spaceship styled "WebExcel" branded beasts .. possibly sold as > either "Protac" or "Rockwell" in other parts of the planet > than OZ. It did > work fine ..... for maybe 6 - 8 hours. Now thats probably > fair enough for > the average 2 hour a day dialup user but it certainly is NOT > on a permanent > connection. Apparently the pretty color / design means the > thing overheats > quickly & it then needs a few hours rest to cool off before > its prepared to > do another shift. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BSD Blood" > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: Modem > > > > I've been using a external generic modem with rockwell > chipset for nearly > 4 > > years now. No problems at all with my other Unix workstations. > > > > > > >From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com > > >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > >Subject: Modem > > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST > > > > > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for > FreeBSD i can be sure > > >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. > Robotics is good but i > > >want some more opinions. Thanks > > > > > > Arthur > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 0:34:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6153837B404 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29478; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdf29476; Wed Jan 17 18:33:23 2001 Message-ID: <009701c08060$2b724a20$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= , "BSD Blood" , , References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108930@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> Subject: Re: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'day Jukka :) Normally I think we orstrayluns live in the best part of the globe but over the past week I've been looking enviously at the daily temperatures in your area .....its 1830 here now & still 87F ... was about 95F a few hours ago :( I dunno that many Diamond modems ever got this far from home .... same goes for most of the ones I notice in the hardware compatibility lists. There's no end of the dreaded generic winmodems from those asian countries, plus locally made & generally good quality Netcomm / Banksia / Maestro. We did have a very active distributor for Hayes before they turned turtle. I'm still using a few of them but they were awfully overpriced compared with Maestro. ($300+ vs $100). So you have lightning there too?? ..... anyone in OZ without industrial grade protection has gotta have geological specimens in the head !!!! I agree generally with your view re internal modems, however I did get reasonable results from most of the 33.6k Netcomms I used to rescue some prehistoric 386 Unisys boxes. Its not practical to put a $100 high speed serial card into a $20 box but a $30 modem is often OK. > One model that I was positively surprised of was Diamond's SupraExpress. > (I used the v.34) nice modem, no power switch so I assume it is supposed > to manage a slightly longer periods of connection time. at least it managed > to download fbsd 2.2.6 (or was it 3.1). Too bad that lightning broke it. > > Another working model is TeleWell, I've got the 56k model and works > fine'n'fast. > > I've never used internal modems, and never will.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:12 AM > > To: BSD Blood; GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Modem > > > > > > Obviously some people have infinitely more patience with > > pox-ridden hardware > > than I have ..... the last generic modem I had was one of the silver > > colored spaceship styled "WebExcel" branded beasts .. possibly sold as > > either "Protac" or "Rockwell" in other parts of the planet > > than OZ. It did > > work fine ..... for maybe 6 - 8 hours. Now thats probably > > fair enough for > > the average 2 hour a day dialup user but it certainly is NOT > > on a permanent > > connection. Apparently the pretty color / design means the > > thing overheats > > quickly & it then needs a few hours rest to cool off before > > its prepared to > > do another shift. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BSD Blood" > > To: ; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:12 AM > > Subject: Re: Modem > > > > > > > I've been using a external generic modem with rockwell > > chipset for nearly > > 4 > > > years now. No problems at all with my other Unix workstations. > > > > > > > > > >From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com > > > >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > > >Subject: Modem > > > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST > > > > > > > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for > > FreeBSD i can be sure > > > >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. > > Robotics is good but i > > > >want some more opinions. Thanks > > > > > > > > Arthur > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ___________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 0:43:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ratatosk.sveg.se.sykes.com (proxy.sveg.se.sykes.com [195.67.11.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B2A37B404 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:43:23 +0100 Message-ID: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108932@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= To: 'Doug Young' Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:43:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > G'day Jukka :) > > Normally I think we orstrayluns live in the best part of the > globe but over > the past week I've been looking enviously at the daily > temperatures in your > area .....its 1830 here now & still 87F ... was about 95F a > few hours ago :( Let's switch places, it's -15F here. (Or -25C as I'd usually say) ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 0:48:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5ED37B400 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29505; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:48:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpds29503; Wed Jan 17 18:48:19 2001 Message-ID: <00db01c08062$41704140$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= Cc: References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108932@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> Subject: Re: Modem Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:48:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We normally use C here too, but a long term net friend from yankeeland sent me a clock with temperature thingy that only talks imperial :) ..... dunno that negative range temperatures appeal much to me though :( ...... never gets anywhere near that low anywhere in OZ > Let's switch places, it's -15F here. > (Or -25C as I'd usually say) ;) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 4:51:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D66037B401 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 37434 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2001 12:48:47 -0000 Received: from aidialup82.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.110.82) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2001 12:48:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3A663D8A.450134B5@uswest.net> From: "Joe Warner" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "Jukka =?iso-8859-1?Q?Simil=E4?=" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Modem References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108932@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> <00db01c08062$41704140$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's been around 22-30+F where I'm at and I'd be willing to jump rope on my roof in my birthday suit all night if that would help me get my blasted US Robotics internal to work!!! ...grrrrrrrrr! ..and no, it's not a WINMODEM. Joe Doug Young wrote: > We normally use C here too, but a long term net friend from yankeeland sent > me a clock with temperature thingy that only talks imperial :) ..... dunno > that negative range > temperatures appeal much to me though :( ...... never gets anywhere near > that low anywhere in OZ > > > Let's switch places, it's -15F here. > > (Or -25C as I'd usually say) ;) > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 13:53:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.alacritech.com (smtp.alacritech.com [209.10.208.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594E337B6BE for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.0.222.235] by smtp.alacritech.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NY3553.00.2884f51f) with ESMTP id xqboaaaa for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:48:24 -0800 From: "Christopher Harrer" To: "Freebsd-Newbies" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:52:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe Chris Harrer Alacritech, Inc. 403 West Lincoln Hwy. Suite 108 Exton, PA 19341 w-(484)875-9520 c-(484)433-5767 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 16:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EA637B401 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:49:51 -0800 Received: from 203.121.16.73 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:49:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.121.16.73] From: "BSD Blood" To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:49:50 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 00:49:51.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[90763D90:01C080E8] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry to hear that. Actually, I bought my modem in OZ too, back in 1997, when I was a student. That modem's grey. No fancy stuffs or what so ever on the modem. >From: "Doug Young" >To: "BSD Blood" , , > >Subject: Re: Modem >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:11:38 +1000 > >Obviously some people have infinitely more patience with pox-ridden >hardware >than I have ..... the last generic modem I had was one of the silver >colored spaceship styled "WebExcel" branded beasts .. possibly sold as >either "Protac" or "Rockwell" in other parts of the planet than OZ. It did >work fine ..... for maybe 6 - 8 hours. Now thats probably fair enough for >the average 2 hour a day dialup user but it certainly is NOT on a permanent >connection. Apparently the pretty color / design means the thing overheats >quickly & it then needs a few hours rest to cool off before its prepared to >do another shift. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BSD Blood" >To: ; >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:12 AM >Subject: Re: Modem > > > > I've been using a external generic modem with rockwell chipset for >nearly >4 > > years now. No problems at all with my other Unix workstations. > > > > > > >From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com > > >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > > >Subject: Modem > > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:48:07 EST > > > > > >Hey guys ; what is a good externel modem to buy for FreeBSD i can be >sure > > >will work without problems? I have been told U. S. Robotics is good but >i > > >want some more opinions. Thanks > > > > > > Arthur > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 17 20:41:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from schoolcenter.com (ilcarb01-194.midwest.net [208.235.13.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A367037B698; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: educationlists@yahoo.com Reply-To: educationlists@yahoo.com To: educationlists@yahoo.com Subject: Tearcher Sites Message-Id: <20010118044116.A367037B698@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:41:16 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought I would let you know about this web site I came across. They do reviews of all kinds programs and products for education. This is the link for last month痴 product reviews, http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/tools/2000-11.asp I don稚 know if they have done this month痴 yet or not. Take care. -Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 18 2: 7:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4810B37B698 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule ([24.16.193.228]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010118100700.VOVQ9070.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@mule> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:07:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:07:11 -0800 From: Y X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Y Organization: CCAAFF X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1499516824.20010118020711@home.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Modem In-reply-To: <009701c08060$2b724a20$847e03cb@apana.org.au> References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108930@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> <009701c08060$2b724a20$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org using over 4 Diamonds here, always on, no problems for 2.5 years -- Best regards, Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 18 12:42:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (unknown [64.46.248.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B754F37B404 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (unknown [64.46.248.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42E4161B2 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01820 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:42:23 -0500 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:42:12 -0500 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569D8.00718030 ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:39:43 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <852569D8.00717D1A.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:42:27 -0700 Subject: What's going on? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, does anybody know what's going on with the Daemon News sites? I can't get in. Thanks Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 18 13: 7:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.virtuale.ws (ns1.virtuale.ws [210.155.63.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FF437B404 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns1.virtuale.ws (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14409; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:09:15 +0900 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:09:15 +0900 Message-Id: <200101182109.GAA14409@ns1.virtuale.ws> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Internet Entertainment Solution From: swesu@hotmail.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ………………………………………………………………… 　　　ライブチャットシステム販売のお知らせ ………………………………………………………………… 高額の費用がかかっていた動画のシステムを、この度 低価格で販売する事になりました。 ライブチャットシステムとは・・・ ───────────────────────── １．スタジオを用意し、そこにビデオカメラを設置。 　　女性がスタンバイします。 ２．会員の男性は、メンバー登録をすませ、IDとPWを 　　入力し、その動画を閲覧します。 ３．男性は、「チャット」というシステムを使い、 　　文字だけで女性とコミュニケーションをとります。 ４．その文字をスタジオの女の子はディスプレーで 　　見ながら会話します。女の子はビデオカメラに 　　向かって話をしたり、様々な動作をしたりすれば 　　いいだけです。それが会員男性にインターネット 　　を利用して配信されます。 ５．利用した時間分の課金が記録され、一定の時間で 　　請求メールを送信します。 ───────────────────────── この全てのシステムを用意するのに様々なライセンス や機材など込みで、1千万弱の費用がかかります。 今回は、この一連のシステム・ライセンス・機材を、 まとめて低価格で販売致します。後は、ADSLなどの 出来るだけ速い回線と少々の機材を用意するだけで、 すぐにこの「ライブチャットシステム」を利用する事 が出来ます。出会いサイトで目玉のコミュニケーション に利用するのもよし、アダルト関連で利用するもよし、 この低価格で用意できる様なシステムではありません。 是非この機会を見逃さず、新ビジネスで儲けて下さい。 特にどんなジャンルでも「女性の調達に困らない」様 な事業に最もマッチしています。 システム@ Windows NT ───────────────────────── ・Real Server ・DataBase(MSSQL) ・検針プログラム＆請求プログラム（手動） ・メンバー登録プログラム ・チャットプログラム ・Dual CPU(PU400x2）NTサーバー ・ビデオカメラ ・PC（NEC） ───────────────────────── 総額1千万弱で構\築したシステム@を300万円で 販売します。 システムA Redhat Linux 6.2 ───────────────────────── ・Real Server ・DataBase(MYSQL、MSQL) ・検針プログラム＆請求プログラム（自動） ・メンバー登録プログラム ・チャットプログラム ───────────────────────── 開発費用500万弱で構\築出来るシステムAを300万円で 販売します。 アダルトサイトで「ライブチャット」を行う場合、 既に実績のあるコンテンツ毎お譲りする事も出来ます。 この場合、既に1万人程度の顧客データもお譲りする 事が出来ます。webページも既に知名度のものをそのま ま、利用できますし、各種サーチエンジンなどにも 登録済みのドメインがそのまま利用できます。要するに 実績のあるサイトをそのままシステム・機材毎、お譲り 出来ると言うことです。新規のプロモーションなどの 必要もなく、ある程度の儲けも約束されているわけです。 こちらをご希望の場合は、ご相談下さい。 また、プログラムやサーバーなど、単体での販売も 考えております。Real Serverなどのライセンスは、 300万程しますが、当社では、ライセンス毎、低価格で お譲りすることが出来ますので、ご相談下さい。 具体的にどういったシステムなのか体験したい方は、 アダルトサイトですが、実際にご覧になれますので、 下記URLを訪問してみてください。 http://www.dreamroom.ws/ この機会を逃す手はありません。新規事業を検討の方、 今すぐ、ご連絡下さい。あらゆる件で、相談させて 頂きます。 ………………………………………………………………… <お問い合せはこちらまで>　→　info@dreamroom.ws ………………………………………………………………… To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 18 13: 8: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.virtuale.ws (ns1.virtuale.ws [210.155.63.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98DD37B69F for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ns1.virtuale.ws (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14444; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:09:17 +0900 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:09:17 +0900 Message-Id: <200101182109.GAA14444@ns1.virtuale.ws> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Internet Entertainment Solution From: swesu@hotmail.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ………………………………………………………………… 　　　ライブチャットシステム販売のお知らせ ………………………………………………………………… 高額の費用がかかっていた動画のシステムを、この度 低価格で販売する事になりました。 ライブチャットシステムとは・・・ ───────────────────────── １．スタジオを用意し、そこにビデオカメラを設置。 　　女性がスタンバイします。 ２．会員の男性は、メンバー登録をすませ、IDとPWを 　　入力し、その動画を閲覧します。 ３．男性は、「チャット」というシステムを使い、 　　文字だけで女性とコミュニケーションをとります。 ４．その文字をスタジオの女の子はディスプレーで 　　見ながら会話します。女の子はビデオカメラに 　　向かって話をしたり、様々な動作をしたりすれば 　　いいだけです。それが会員男性にインターネット 　　を利用して配信されます。 ５．利用した時間分の課金が記録され、一定の時間で 　　請求メールを送信します。 ───────────────────────── この全てのシステムを用意するのに様々なライセンス や機材など込みで、1千万弱の費用がかかります。 今回は、この一連のシステム・ライセンス・機材を、 まとめて低価格で販売致します。後は、ADSLなどの 出来るだけ速い回線と少々の機材を用意するだけで、 すぐにこの「ライブチャットシステム」を利用する事 が出来ます。出会いサイトで目玉のコミュニケーション に利用するのもよし、アダルト関連で利用するもよし、 この低価格で用意できる様なシステムではありません。 是非この機会を見逃さず、新ビジネスで儲けて下さい。 特にどんなジャンルでも「女性の調達に困らない」様 な事業に最もマッチしています。 システム@ Windows NT ───────────────────────── ・Real Server ・DataBase(MSSQL) ・検針プログラム＆請求プログラム（手動） ・メンバー登録プログラム ・チャットプログラム ・Dual CPU(PU400x2）NTサーバー ・ビデオカメラ ・PC（NEC） ───────────────────────── 総額1千万弱で構\築したシステム@を300万円で 販売します。 システムA Redhat Linux 6.2 ───────────────────────── ・Real Server ・DataBase(MYSQL、MSQL) ・検針プログラム＆請求プログラム（自動） ・メンバー登録プログラム ? チャットプログラム ───────────────────────── 開発費用500万弱で構\築出来るシステムAを300万円で 販売します。 アダルトサイトで「ライブチャット」を行う場合、 既に実績のあるコンテンツ毎お譲りする事も出来ます。 この場合、既に1万人程度の顧客データもお譲りする 事が出来ます。webページも既に知名度のものをそのま ま、利用できますし、各種サーチエンジンなどにも 登録済みのドメインがそのまま利用できます。要するに 実績のあるサイトをそのままシステム・機材毎、お譲り 出来ると言うことです。新規のプロモーションなどの 必要もなく、ある程度の儲けも約束されているわけです。 こちらをご希望の場合は、ご相談下さい。 また、プログラムやサーバーなど、単体での販売も 考えております。Real Serverなどのライセンスは、 300万程しますが、当社では、ライセンス毎、低価格で お譲りすることが出来ますので、ご相談下さい。 具体的にどういったシステムなのか体験したい方は、 アダルトサイトですが、実際にご覧になれますので、 下記URLを訪問してみてください。 http://www.dreamroom.ws/ この機会を逃す手はありません。新規事業を検討の方、 今すぐ、ご連絡下さい。あらゆる件で、相談させて 頂きます。 ………………………………………………………………… <お問い合せはこちらまで>　→　info@dreamroom.ws ………………………………………………………………… To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 18 23:24:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kumi.webnewslink.com (unknown [64.132.3.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4336D37B401; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc ([64.132.3.188]) by kumi.webnewslink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18949; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:10:02 -1000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:10:02 -1000 From: ami@e-hiddencam.com Message-Id: <200101190710.VAA18949@kumi.webnewslink.com> To: ami@e-hiddencam.com Subject: NEWS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 夏美です。 友達と一緒にアダルトサイトを作りました。 私も出演しています。 さくらと言う名前で出ています。 探してみて、感想でも聞かせて下さい。 夏美 http://63.100.42.104/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ If you are under 18 years of age or if it is illegal to view adult material in your community, please erase this message. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ ********************************************************** このメーリングリストから、あなたのお名前を削除したい場合は、 件名を"remove" とし、このメールにそのまま返信してくださ い。よろしくお願いします。 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 9:44:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (unknown [64.46.248.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A466737B402 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (unknown [64.46.248.1]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2995B16386 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08374 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:42:53 -0500 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:27:10 -0500 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569D9.005EB4C3 ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:14:22 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <852569D9.005DECE4.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:08:44 -0700 Subject: JAVA on FreeBSD? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know of any web pages/information regarding the use of the JAVA programming language on FreeBSD? We have a few people where I work that are into JAVA that would like to know what's available for FreeBSD. Thanks Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 10:31:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail02.vsnl.net (mail02.vsnl.net [203.197.12.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AB837B401 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from subdimension.com ([202.54.46.165]) by mail02.vsnl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7FA3W00.P8X for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:01:08 +0530 Message-ID: <3A688718.30CFBAA9@subdimension.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:57:37 +0530 From: Ani D X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot manager and filesystem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi i've got two hard disks. 4.2GB and 2.1GB. ad0 and ad2 (as shown in the freebsd install). now, i have windows on ad0 and want to install freebsd on ad2. when it asks me on which drive i want to install freebsd, i say ad2 and it takes me to a screen where it shows the partition info of ad2. that was the simple part. at this point it hasn't asked me to give the filesystem breakup info. next, it asks wether i want to install the freebsd boot manager in the mbr or standard boot loader or whatever. i choose the first option and then it asks on which disk. ad2 is already checked (probably because of the last step) here, i need need the boot loader in the mbr. so that's on ad0. so i uncheck ad2 and say ad0. but then it asks me to give the filesystem info like where to put swap, the native slice, etc. thing is...it automatically choses ad0 for the filesystem. how do i change this? when i go back and come to the bootmanager question and chose the first option, it directly takes me to the screen where i have to set up the filesystem structure. here, is there any way i can indicate that it has to be on ad2? where do i indicate which partition is bootable? when i said ad0 (on my last attempt) i got a boot loader that can load windows but chosing freebsd lands me at the boot prompt. what do i do? thanks ani d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 11:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAE337B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from WhizKid (rh8.bfm.org [216.127.220.201]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:59:42 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010119135731.009ccd20@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:57:31 -0600 To: Ani D , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: boot manager and filesystem In-Reply-To: <3A688718.30CFBAA9@subdimension.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:57 19-01-2001 +0530, Ani D wrote: >next, it asks wether i want to install the freebsd boot manager in the >mbr or standard boot loader or whatever. i choose the first option and >then it asks on which disk. ad2 is already checked (probably because of >the last step) here, i need need the boot loader in the mbr. so that's >on ad0. so i uncheck ad2 and say ad0. but then it asks me to give the >filesystem info like where to put swap, the native slice, etc. thing >is...it automatically choses ad0 for the filesystem. how do i change >this? when i go back and come to the bootmanager question and chose the >first option, it directly takes me to the screen where i have to set up >the filesystem structure. here, is there any way i can indicate that it >has to be on ad2? You need to have a boot manager on both disks to boot FreeBSD from the second one. Upon boot, the system will load the boot manager from the first disk. You press F5 to tell it to load the boot manager from Disk 2. After it does, you press F2 (or whichever) to boot FreeBSD from the second disk. I have Windows booting from disk 1, FreeBSD from disk 2, so if I want to boot Windows, I press F1 at the first boot prompt. If I want FreeBSD, I press F5 to boot from the second disk, then F2 to boot FreeBSD from the second disk. Adam --- Whiz Kid Technomagic - brand name computers for less. See http://www.whizkidtech.net/pcwarehouse/ for details. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 16:45:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B5837B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27478 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C08250.772853A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C08250.772853A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've tried installing from CD (4.0) I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) I've tried installing the 5.0 current ... and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to = X. Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me = it can't initialize the (X) server. What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and = grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to = make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts = of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm = starting over for the 20th+ time. Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are = you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get = source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to = get 4.2 to work) Any help appreciated. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C08250.772853A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've tried installing from CD = (4.0)
I've tried installing from ftp = (4.2)
I've tried installing the 5.0 = current
...
and in each case somehow the = installation goes=20 wacked when it comes to X.
 
Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it = pauses for 30=20 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server.
 
What I WANT to do is install minimally, = adding=20 things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink = installed=20 and then try to make sense of it.  But whenever it comes to X, I'm=20 cursed.
 
One time I got it running correctly, = but somehow I=20 ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up.  It was a = confusing mess.  So I'm starting over for the 20th+ = time.
 
Is anyone else having install problems = with=20 X?  What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I = should go=20 with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you = using?=20 (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work)
 
Any help appreciated.
 
Mike
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C08250.772853A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 17: 4:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA33637B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04852; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:04:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdoz4850; Sat Jan 20 11:03:57 2001 Message-ID: <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Mike" , References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:03:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install = X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been = gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most = experts believe so for security reasons). Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) = although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have = nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE = lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at = homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 = which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications = I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are = still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably = fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate = explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much = aggro.=20 If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / = StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, = mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have = docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like = the Handbook etc. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X I've tried installing from CD (4.0) I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) I've tried installing the 5.0 current ... and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to = X. Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me = it can't initialize the (X) server. What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and = grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to = make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts = of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm = starting over for the 20th+ time. Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install = are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get = source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to = get 4.2 to work) Any help appreciated. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had exactly the same problems = several times=20 when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main = use for=20 FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X = anyway=20 (seems most experts believe so for security reasons).
 
 Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" = setup to=20 work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use=20 regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) = days=20 thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE = sufficiently=20 to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then=20 I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has = reliable=20 support for applications I use  (particularly StarOffice / = Oracle that=20 as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what = its=20 worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things = its just=20 the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of = people so=20 much aggro. 
 
If I did have a pressing need for = FreeBSD 4.x=20 / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like = freebsddiary.org,=20 bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which = generally have=20 docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like = the=20 Handbook etc.
----- Original Message -----
 
From:=20 Mike =
Sent: Saturday, January 20, = 2001 10:46=20 AM
Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and = X

I've tried installing from CD = (4.0)
I've tried installing from ftp = (4.2)
I've tried installing the 5.0=20 current
...
and in each case somehow the = installation goes=20 wacked when it comes to X.
 
Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it = pauses for 30=20 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server.
 
What I WANT to do is install = minimally, adding=20 things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink = installed=20 and then try to make sense of it.  But whenever it comes to X, = I'm=20 cursed.
 
One time I got it running correctly, = but somehow=20 I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up.  It = was a=20 confusing mess.  So I'm starting over for the 20th+ = time.
 
Is anyone else having install = problems with=20 X?  What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I = should=20 go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD = are you=20 using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work)
 
Any help appreciated.
 
Mike
 
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C082D0.B0E9E1A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 17: 7:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE4E37B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6CCA; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3A68E41C.7280EA0D@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:04:28 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike wrote: > > I've tried installing from CD (4.0) > I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) > I've tried installing the 5.0 current > ... > and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to > X. When I got 4.2, I decided that I wanted to use XFree86-4.01. So I didn't install 3.3.6. But it didn't work, and I basically got the same problems as you. I tried several things to no avail, and wound up with a messed up system. So I reinstalled and it worked. What I did the second time differently is unknown. I didn't keep notes. > What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have > everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. It's not the kitchen sink :-) Even if you install all of the distribution sets you're getting nowhere near what other systems install as their default. Not even close. Unless you have a tiny drive that you must work with, I wouldn't worry about it. I would just go with the defaults in the installation until you know more about what's required or useful and what isn't. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 17:33:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1994437B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16219 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200101200130.MAA16219@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 17:40:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ams.amsinc.com (ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B71337B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA00042; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ben_Calvert@amsinc.com Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569DA.00093A4D ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:40:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: "Mike" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <852569DA.00093953.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:39:47 -0800 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi mike. you don't say what you're installing on? i've had lots of fun with various *nix's on my laptop. I end up having to manually configure X every time, so i've just gotten used to it. if you're using a laptop, you can generally find the necessary settings on one of the linux for laptops sites (can't remember them off the top of my head , search on google or something). then use xf86config. you'll need to know lots of fun technical stuff about your video system, but that should be available above if you've got a laptop. if this doesn't work, or you're on a desktop, it's pretty likely that someone on one of the lists has the same card as you, and can mail you their /etc/XF86Config file. be wary of this, it contains settings for the monitor too, so if your monitor doesn't work the same, be careful. good luck I've tried installing from CD (4.0) I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) I've tried installing the 5.0 current ... and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to X. Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server. What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm starting over for the 20th+ time. Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work) Any help appreciated. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 22:14:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942D237B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA27717; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <006401c082a8$539898c0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: "Doug Young" , , , References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X (now moving to the Ports system) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:15:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow! You guys are great! To make a long story short, I finally reinstalled with the full developer's version (source, X, Kernal src, everything) and lo and behold... X works with no probs. Kinda weird, hope somebody from the developers reads this as the X-User install appears to be broken. Now, I've got some linux experience as well (running a Redhat Firewall with web, mail, dns, firewall,etc..) but am looking to replace it with a BSD box. BSD is as close to Unix as I can get without paying exhorbinant (sp?) prices. TRIED solaris for the i386 and I have two words "Forget It!" Funny, I want my X working, but it's usually to have a few terms running, play some tunes, and browse (and research) the web in full color vs using lynx. Yet all my configuration and editing is done strictly with the command prompt. Firewall rules appear completely different than linux. I got alot to learn. Anyway, thanks for some ideas (I had checked those sites out, chock full of info, but either nobody ever does a minimal install or this is a relatively new problem?) Anyway, I prefer XF86Setup over XF86Config any day. Config is a nightmare if you don't understand what's going on. I've got a 10 gig drive dedicated for my BSD server, so space isn't an issue, just having things sitting around that I don't use/understand bugs me. I guess the next step is the CVS Tree? (or something like that) I configured it once, so can do it again, but is it upgrading my 4.2 for me? Giving me updates? or what? Can someone explain this thing a little better to me? Thanks to all again! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 19 22:18:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (unknown [150.101.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D752837B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from PhD_1.testname.com.au (bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27101; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:47:58 +1030 (CST) From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: "Doug Young" , "Mike" , Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:40:17 +1030 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> In-Reply-To: <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012016444104.02698@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Strange.... I tried to install RH6.2 on free space on my second HD. It balked (permanently) when it came to installing X. Then I obtained FreeBSD 4.2. Installed X with no trouble at all. The monitor is a cheap generic SVGA, the card Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro (4MB). Does this mean that certain combinations of HW & SW simply won't work together? I still don't understand why RH would not install, where FreeBSD went "like a charm" when SFAIK the versions of Xfree86 are the same. Brian. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > > I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most experts believe so for security reasons). > > Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro. > > If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the Handbook etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM > Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X > > > I've tried installing from CD (4.0) > I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) > I've tried installing the 5.0 current > ... > and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to X. > > Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server. > > What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. > > One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm starting over for the 20th+ time. > > Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work) > > Any help appreciated. > > Mike > > ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- Regards, Brian ******************************************************** Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow Flinders University Institute of International Education Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 bastill@sa.apana.org.au ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 20 9:57:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E817537B404 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([65.5.120.39]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010120175700.VWTQ11834.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:57:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3A6A7A68.ADB51D19@home.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:58:00 -0800 From: hawk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au Cc: Doug Young , Mike , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <01012016444104.02698@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oddly Enough it shouldnt do that ;) I have Several Linux/BSD installations on my Test cpu (debian, Mandrake, RH, Slackware, BEos, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD, hey its my test cpu ;) and in general, the only change you need to do to get the sever running is Play with the monitor type. I know strange, i think, the problem is that each distro detects monitors a different way? Possibly, oh well =) Brian Astill wrote: > Strange.... > I tried to install RH6.2 on free space on my second HD. It balked (permanently) > when it came to installing X. > Then I obtained FreeBSD 4.2. Installed X with no trouble at all. > The monitor is a cheap generic SVGA, the card Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro (4MB). > > Does this mean that certain combinations of HW & SW simply won't work together? > I still don't understand why RH would not install, where FreeBSD went "like a > charm" when SFAIK the versions of Xfree86 are the same. > > Brian. > > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > > > > I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most experts believe so for security reasons). > > > > Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro. > > > > If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the Handbook etc. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Mike > > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM > > Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X > > > > > > I've tried installing from CD (4.0) > > I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) > > I've tried installing the 5.0 current > > ... > > and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to X. > > > > Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server. > > > > What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. > > > > One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm starting over for the 20th+ time. > > > > Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work) > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Description: > ---------------------------------------- > > -- > Regards, > Brian > > ******************************************************** > Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow > Flinders University Institute of International Education > Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 > bastill@sa.apana.org.au > ******************************************************** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 20 11:12:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (unknown [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F03237B401 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:56 +0200 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'Joe.Warner@smed.com'" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: JAVA on FreeBSD? Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:07:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any web pages/information > regarding the use of the JAVA programming language > on FreeBSD? > http://www.freebsd.org/java :) > We have a few people where I work that are into > JAVA that would like to know what's available > for FreeBSD. > > Thanks > > Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 20 11:25: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 768D137B400 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55501 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2001 19:24:40 -0000 Received: from aidialup161.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.110.161) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 19:24:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3A6A8ED2.8CBC998F@uswest.net> From: "Joe Warner" To: "Stefan KORONKA" Cc: "'Joe.Warner@smed.com'" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: JAVA on FreeBSD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just what I was looking for! 8^) Thanks! Joe Stefan KORONKA wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know of any web pages/information > > regarding the use of the JAVA programming language > > on FreeBSD? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/java :) > > > We have a few people where I work that are into > > JAVA that would like to know what's available > > for FreeBSD. > > > > Thanks > > > > Joe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message