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I've been reading about unix systems and I like the freebsd system , I'm new 
to this system , and I'd like some help about how to install it in my 
wcomputer that has windows and also hot to use it and acces to the internet 
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I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE =
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jan 21 13:45: 6 2001
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I just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium.


I installed by booting to CD rom

Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI)

I do this:

mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1

and get the error:

cd9660: Invalid argument


Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick Dennis
Alaska






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I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just completed my first install of =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I installed by booting to CD =
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ROM=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do this:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c=20
/mnt/cd1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and get the error:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cd9660: Invalid argument</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any suggestions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rick Dennis</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alaska</FONT></DIV>
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jan 21 14:47: 2 2001
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hi,

been tinkerin with freeBSD in my "spare time" for about 3 months
time to get the windows box to talk to the my freeBSD box, snagglepuss

running freeBSD 4.2
Samba 2.0.7

i did testparm and my smb.conf seems to test out fine
after starting samba i get this message when checking my smbstatus 


ERROR: Failed to initialise share modes
Can't initialise shared memory - exiting

any words of wisdom would be helpful
please let me know if more information is needed

thanks


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jan 21 16:39:11 2001
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Try:
mount /cdrom

[Grin]

ML Duke

> I do this:
> 
> mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1
> 
> and get the error:
> 
> cd9660: Invalid argument
> 
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick Dennis
> Alaska
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: jonjet57 
> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG 
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:19 PM
> Subject: HELP
> 
> 
> I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE THE DISC TO DO SO. 
> IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME FROM THERE TO ME? PLESE REPLY.
> 



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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jan 21 18:25:10 2001
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I have a Creative Labs 3D Voodoo Banshee. In my case, redhat detected my 
video card perfectly. FreeBSD had problems with it. I'm using the same 
version of X. I believe it's in the OS; i.e. how they have enhanced the 
configuration, detection, etc.



>From: hawk <cyberhawk@home.com>
>To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au
>CC: Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>, Mike <mike@sixpak.net>, 
>freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X
>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:58:00 -0800
>
>Oddly Enough it shouldnt do that ;)
>I have Several Linux/BSD installations on my Test cpu (debian, Mandrake, 
>RH, Slackware, BEos, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD, hey its my test cpu ;)
>and in general, the only change you need to do to get the sever running is 
>Play with
>the monitor type. I know strange, i think, the problem is that each distro 
>detects
>monitors a different way? Possibly, oh well =)
>
>Brian Astill wrote:
>
> > Strange....
> > I tried to install RH6.2 on free space on my second HD.  It balked 
>(permanently)
> > when it came to installing X.
> > Then I obtained FreeBSD 4.2.  Installed X with no trouble at all.
> > The monitor is a cheap generic SVGA, the card Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro 
>(4MB).
> >
> > Does this mean that certain combinations of HW & SW simply won't work 
>together?
> > I still don't understand why RH would not install, where FreeBSD went 
>"like a
> > charm" when SFAIK the versions of Xfree86 are the same.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote:
> > >
> > > I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to 
>install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has 
>been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most 
>experts believe so for security reasons).
> > >
> > >  Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) 
>although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have 
>nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE 
>lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at 
>homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 
>which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I 
>use  (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still 
>quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly 
>straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation 
>about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro.
> > >
> > > If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / 
>StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, 
>mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have 
>docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the 
>Handbook etc.
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > >   From: Mike
> > >   To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> > >   Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM
> > >   Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X
> > >
> > >
> > >   I've tried installing from CD (4.0)
> > >   I've tried installing from ftp (4.2)
> > >   I've tried installing the 5.0 current
> > >   ...
> > >   and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes 
>to X.
> > >
> > >   Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells 
>me it can't initialize the (X) server.
> > >
> > >   What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and 
>grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to 
>make sense of it.  But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed.
> > >
> > >   One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with 
>parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up.  It was a confusing mess.  So 
>I'm starting over for the 20th+ time.
> > >
> > >   Is anyone else having install problems with X?  What kind of install 
>are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get 
>source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to 
>get 4.2 to work)
> > >
> > >   Any help appreciated.
> > >
> > >   Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
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> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Brian
> >
> > ********************************************************
> > Dr Brian Astill  Visiting Research Fellow
> > Flinders University Institute of International Education
> > Bus 8201 3480     FAX 8449 9199
> > bastill@sa.apana.org.au
> > ********************************************************
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Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd ???
I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz 
so help me out here 
AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........???




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hawk wrote:
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> I know strange, i think, the problem is that each distro detects
> monitors a different way? Possibly, oh well =)

Sounds reasonable for me. Especially depending on your video card. I
tried Redhat once and it insisted on using "superprobe" to detect my
video card. The installation would always *reboot* when it ran
superprobe, and I couldn't find any way to turn superprobe off. I later
found out that xf86config says *not* to probe my particular card.

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Mike wrote:

> I guess the next step is the CVS Tree? (or something like that) I configured
> it once, so can do it again, but is it upgrading my 4.2 for me? Giving me
> updates? or what?  Can someone explain this thing a little better to me?

I usually use cvsup, but there are a variety of ways to keep you system
in sync. In any case, there are two parts to your system, the sources
and the ports. I never bother with keeping the sources up to date. 4.3
will be here soon enough and I'm patient. I do keep the ports tree up to
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If you do decide to update your sources and do all that "build world"
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Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general.
Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows, and
AMD
isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better for
the
servers i run, better for the lab i run. =)  hope that answers it.

Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4 floating

points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700
each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;)

-Hawk


faisal wrote:

> Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd ???
> I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz
> so help me out here
> AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........???
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I'm guessing the intended use of the systems under discussion is mainly for
playing games ... if so AMD chips
may possibly be OK for the purpose. My experience with computers is totally
business related ..... I have no interest whatever in games. No associate of
mine who works in the same area would even think of using the things.


I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've
found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste
time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many
users wish to dual boot FreeBSD & Windows. From my experience with a fair
cross-section of machines running virtually every version of Windows, I
wouldn't wish an AMD on my worst enemy ... the weird "features" they give,
particularly with WinNT & Win2000 are just not worth the dollars saved.
Intel Pentiums are probably overpriced by comparison, but Celerons aren't
that much more expensive than comparable AMD's & they work properly (and
consistently) with every operating system known to mankind.


----- Original Message -----
From: "hawk" <cyberhawk@home.com>
To: "faisal" <fasi74@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:53 AM
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> Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general.
> Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows,
and
> AMD
> isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better
for
> the
> servers i run, better for the lab i run. =)  hope that answers it.
>
> Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4
floating
>
> points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700
> each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;)
>
> -Hawk
>
>
> faisal wrote:
>
> > Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd
???
> > I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz
> > so help me out here
> > AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........???
> >
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Hello Doug,

Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 02:49:04, you wrote:

DY> I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've
DY> found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste
DY> time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many

        on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a
        MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server
        machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one
        server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine
        is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the only
        problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums
        as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am
        asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs
        out using it.

        TIA
-- 
Best regards,
 Y




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Why do I keep hearing about win2k and nt when these things ahve no
relevance to this list. better yet, they dont even have any relevance to
the original question.

To answer you, i have an duron 800 overclocked running freebsd and
slackware and its the best experience yet.

Burke

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Y wrote:

> Hello Doug,
>
> Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 02:49:04, you wrote:
>
> DY> I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've
> DY> found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste
> DY> time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many
>
>         on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a
>         MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server
>         machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one
>         server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine
>         is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the only
>         problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums
>         as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am
>         asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs
>         out using it.
>
>         TIA
> --
> Best regards,
>  Y
>
>
>
>
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AMD chips are great! Especially if you want to experiment with overclocking. I'm a big fan of the concept of overclocking, not only because of the extra speed 
increase, but also because you can learn a lot about hardware by doing it... consider it to be a practical way of learning about some PC hardware.

Sorry, I digress a lot :-)

AMD processors work *beautifully*, provided that you take care in choosing and setting up your hardware properly:

First of all, it is absolutely *essential* that the heatsink + thermal paste are applied to the CPU core. If you do not do this, you *will* permanently damage the chip. 
Once they are applied properly, then the chance of heat damage to the chip is no greater than that of Intel chips. Take extra special care, and take your time, when 
installing the heatsink.

Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on hardware which performs to 
spec.)

Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips themselves must be good, and 
the construction of the module must be good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's 
have substandard RAM as their cause.

Four. A badly designed motherboard can mess with the operation of a PC, due to things like badly designed traces on the printed circuit board wreaking havoc with 
memory timings, etc, etc. Also, take care that the mobo that you choose has an appropriate chipset. At the moment, most mobos supporting AMD CPUs have VIA 
brand chipsets, but AMD have one or two chipsets on the market, too. You will not find an Intel chipset on a mobo supporting AMD. Avoid PC Chips brand 
motherboards like the plague.

(Check out the amd.com for lists of AMD-approved PSU's, mobos, etc.)

SO to sum up, AMD is great, especially for the person who likes to get under the hood. But remember to choose your all your supporting hardware carefully, because 
if you do, then you're system will *probably* be more stable.

Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card.

$0.02 by Andrew Nesbit.


23/01/01 9:49:04 PM, "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> wrote:

>I'm guessing the intended use of the systems under discussion is mainly for
>playing games ... if so AMD chips
>may possibly be OK for the purpose. My experience with computers is totally
>business related ..... I have no interest whatever in games. No associate of
>mine who works in the same area would even think of using the things.
>
>
>I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've
>found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste
>time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many
>users wish to dual boot FreeBSD & Windows. From my experience with a fair
>cross-section of machines running virtually every version of Windows, I
>wouldn't wish an AMD on my worst enemy ... the weird "features" they give,
>particularly with WinNT & Win2000 are just not worth the dollars saved.
>Intel Pentiums are probably overpriced by comparison, but Celerons aren't
>that much more expensive than comparable AMD's & they work properly (and
>consistently) with every operating system known to mankind.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "hawk" <cyberhawk@home.com>
>To: "faisal" <fasi74@yahoo.com>
>Cc: "freebad" <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:53 AM
>Subject: Re: AMD Duron
>
>
>> Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general.
>> Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows,
>and
>> AMD
>> isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better
>for
>> the
>> servers i run, better for the lab i run. =)  hope that answers it.
>>
>> Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4
>floating
>>
>> points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700
>> each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;)
>>
>> -Hawk
>>
>>
>> faisal wrote:
>>
>> > Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd
>???
>> > I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz
>> > so help me out here
>> > AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........???
>> >
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Sue:

> > new puppy-dog achievement. Once you've been a contented 386 or 486
> > user
> > for a while, your friends will start to notice.

An old computer is much more than no computer.
In this sense, I just got an Indy, well, no more soundcard driver troubles
anymore. Such an once luxurious "unix workstation" is slow today too.
It is still luxurious, if you want to learn..

I have a 486 that I like very much. 1542, in such a system, this is still
a great card. Etcpp. Maybe 200 MB is to small for email, but it worked
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Hello Rick,

have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ?


> just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium.
> I installed by booting to CD rom
> Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI)
> 
> I do this:
> mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1
> 
> and get the error:
> cd9660: Invalid argument
> 
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Rick Dennis
> Alaska
 
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Try using either:

/sbin/mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /mnt

or

/sbin/mount /dev/wcd0c /mnt


Those combinations are what I have used for the past few years.  The
first command is what I use for 4.2-stable and I know it works.



On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Michael Haertl wrote:

> Hello Rick,
> 
> have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ?
> 
> 
> > just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium.
> > I installed by booting to CD rom
> > Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI)
> > 
> > I do this:
> > mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1
> > 
> > and get the error:
> > cd9660: Invalid argument
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Rick Dennis
> > Alaska
>  
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Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote:
> Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum
> reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on
> hardware which performs to spec.)

Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v.  Pay no
attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is
relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on
the sticker on the side of the PS.

> Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this
> means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips
> themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be
> good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even
> you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have
> substandard RAM as their cause.

Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty
safe.  If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a
vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware.

> Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card.

Why not?


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Thanks to all for the help.

I soon discovered the problem came from trying to mount a CD-R in a
non-multi-session CDROM.

Since then, I picked up a newer CDROM and I can mount all my self-burned
CDs.

using the standard ' mount /cdrom ' works fine.


RD


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Hello Rick,

have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ?


> just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium.
> I installed by booting to CD rom
> Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI)
>
> I do this:
> mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1
>
> and get the error:
> cd9660: Invalid argument
>
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Rick Dennis
> Alaska

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I have a PC with the following configuration:

Pentium III 650MHz
256MB RAM
3COM 3C905C-TX
3 hard drives:
	Primary master:		IBM DPTA-373420
	Primary slave:		IBM DPTA-373420
	Secondary master:	IBM DPTA-373420
	Secondary slave:	ATAPI CD-ROM

The drives are all 32GB and all on the ATA-33 bus.  I have tried installing 
FreeBSD 4.1 and 4.2 but each time, when the machine boots after the 
install, I get a prompt:

No /boot/loader

 >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default:  0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:
No /kernel

 >>FreeBSD/i386  BOOT
Default:  0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:


I've tried changing the drive modes in the BIOS, using NORMAL, LBA and 
LARGE, reinstalling the OS after each change.  The result is still the 
same.  I've also tried the STANDARD install and the CUSTOM installation, 
even taking the defaults for the slice sizes some of the times.  Still the 
same thing.  I tried the default slice sizes so that the "/" slice would be 
at the beginning of the drive, hopefully within 1024 cylinders.  From what 
I understand though, FreeBSD 4.2 doesn't have this limitation and can be 
installed anywhere on the drive.

I can't see why there should be a problem installing on such a system with 
these types of drives.  I haven't had any problems installing FreeBSD on 
systems with 9GB SCSI drives or 13.6GB IDE drives.

Any information would be appreciated.  I would like to stay with FreeBSD 
and changing the hardware in the system is not an option.  I've looked 
through the Handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and the mailing list 
archives.  There are some similar messages but nothing that points me to 
getting this fixed.  I've tried some of the suggestions and have installed 
the system over 7 times, all with the same result.  Booting off of CD2 with 
the live filesystem, I see that the OS files are on the drive and I see 
that there is indeed a /boot/loader but I always get the same message as above.


Thanks,

Oscar



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The only problem is the tutorials are all in english.  I just downloaded those tutorials from the web page and will be working on translating them.  This will take time and I lack some of the specialized vocabulary, but I would like to see them in spanish as well.  I would be interested in proofreaders once I get some of the work done.

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> Solicito ayuda para conseguir un tutorial de freebsd en espanol..
> 
> gracias por su attencion....
> 
> Atte: Juan Palacios....
> 
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I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have
either the time or
the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively "fussy"


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: AMD Duron


> Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote:
> > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum
> > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on
> > hardware which performs to spec.)
>
> Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v.  Pay no
> attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is
> relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on
> the sticker on the side of the PS.
>
> > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this
> > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips
> > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be
> > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even
> > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have
> > substandard RAM as their cause.
>
> Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty
> safe.  If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a
> vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware.
>
> > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card.
>
> Why not?
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 12:27:11 2001
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 Well this is a production box so I'm perfectly content to wait for
"official
 upgrades" versus playing around with the kernel on a daily basis.  So
 basically the only thing that needs to be "kept up to date" is the ports
 tree?  No sources anywhere?

 CVSup is the one to use for a constant net connection right?

 Man, this whole box has been an experiment and a half.  I did such a poor
 job (or too good depending on how you look at it) on my firewall that I
 couldn't even ping localhost :)  I've resolved that but somehow only root
 can ping and normal users can't touch it.  I'm wanting to blow the whole
 thing out and start over, but then again, ya learn more by fixing things
 that doin it the MS way.

 I still have DNS and pop3 to install.  At least the web server can wait :)
 (DNS is crucial though, hope this little "Complete FreeBSD" book is right
on
 the money.  It appears to have been written for an earlier version of BSD,
 but at least I know it still references Bind 8.

 ----- Original Message -----
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 To: "Mike" <mike@sixpak.net>
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 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X (now moving to the Ports system)


> > Mike wrote:
> >
> > > I guess the next step is the CVS Tree? (or something like that) I
> configured
> > > it once, so can do it again, but is it upgrading my 4.2 for me? Giving
> me
> > > updates? or what?  Can someone explain this thing a little better to
me?
> >
> > I usually use cvsup, but there are a variety of ways to keep you system
> > in sync. In any case, there are two parts to your system, the sources
> > and the ports. I never bother with keeping the sources up to date. 4.3
> > will be here soon enough and I'm patient. I do keep the ports tree up to
> > date though.
> >
> > If you do decide to update your sources and do all that "build world"
> > stuff, remember that the Handbook says that you *MUST* subscribe to
> > freebsd-current and/or freebsd-stable.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 12:32:47 2001
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron
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Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety .....
spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid installation
"features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD
drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT & Win2000
that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU is
a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel ones) I
can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than a
year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had
heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah)

Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server ......
well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a day
before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several times
over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was only
when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems disappeared.
Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ... none
of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those
experienced with the AMD one.

The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't
concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual
booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently
"features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't see
the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of
those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly
gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever in
that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted their
game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment.


>         on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a
>         MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server
>         machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one
>         server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine
>         is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the
only
>         problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums
>         as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am
>         asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs
>         out using it.
>
>         TIA
> --
> Best regards,
>  Y
>
>
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 12:43:25 2001
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Hello,

	[replying also to -newbies since this might be of interest] 

libby charles-ccl044 wrote:
> 
> The only problem is the tutorials are all in english.  I just downloaded those tutorials from the web page and will be working on translating them.  This will take time and I lack some of the specialized vocabulary, but I would like to see them in spanish as well.  I would be interested in proofreaders once I get some of the work done.


There is a  general purpose FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish. To
subscribe send mail to:

	majordomo@es.freebsd.org

with the body of the message containing:

	subscribe freebsd

I already told this to Alfonso Palacios <alfonso@diginet.com.mx>, the
originator of this thread.

So far, the website, the faq and part of the handbook are translated.
You can visit:

	http://www.freebsd.org/es

SGML source can be found at:

	ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/.0/FreeBSD/branches/-current/doc/es_ES.ISO_8859-1

The coordinator of the Spanish translation project is Jesus Rodriguez
and he can be reached in the mentioned mailing list.

Greetings.

ncalvo
_

PS: I would be glad to help you proofreading, feel free to contact me.


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 13:10:12 2001
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron
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I have to disagree with Doug here.  I've had experience with two different
AMD CPUs directly and have built servers using them for customers for the
past six months.  NONE of these servers have had any type of problem for any
reason.  My current Linux server for home use has been operating flawlessly
for over six months (I had to boot it due to a power outage almost three
months ago that lasted longer than my UPS). This server runs a variety of
services so the processor is definently running (although I'm sure rarely at
100% unless I'm compiling something) all the time.

The other AMD processer was an old 200MHz that's been running and operating
for about four years.

I just purchased a 1GHz AMD processor for a windows box and I'm proud to say
that Windows hasn't crashed any more often than it did with my 450MHz Intel
processor.

I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad motherboard.
It happens.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Y" <ure@home.com>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron


> Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety .....
> spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid
installation
> "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD
> drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT &
Win2000
> that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU
is
> a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel ones)
I
> can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than a
> year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had
> heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah)
>
> Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server ......
> well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a
day
> before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several times
> over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was
only
> when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems disappeared.
> Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ...
none
> of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those
> experienced with the AMD one.
>
> The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't
> concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual
> booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently
> "features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't see
> the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of
> those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly
> gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever
in
> that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted
their
> game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment.
>
>
> >         on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a
> >         MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server
> >         machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one
> >         server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine
> >         is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro
the
> only
> >         problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums
> >         as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am
> >         asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs
> >         out using it.
> >
> >         TIA
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >  Y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
> >
>
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 13:17:36 2001
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Subject: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel?
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Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is
lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what
average kernel size do you guys have?

My FreeBSD box is configured as gateway/NATD/firewall, other than that there
are not too many bells and whistles. The resulting kernel is a whopping
1'932'208 bytes. Is there something obvious I did not see?

Also... how do I display the total size of all files in a single directory?

Have a lot of fun, Ben

PS: Dont forget to CC your answers to benlutz@datacomm.ch . thanks.



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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 13:22:15 2001
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron
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A bad half dozen motherboards & only with AMD ?? ..... while its possible I
very much doubt it,
especially since the problems with the socket 7 ones disappeared immediately
the CPU was replaced
with an Intel one. If others wish to use those things then its their funeral
.... I certainly won't use one in a
clients box & I won't have an AMD in any system I control again

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mike@sixpak.net>
To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>; "Y" <ure@home.com>;
<freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron


> I have to disagree with Doug here.  I've had experience with two different
> AMD CPUs directly and have built servers using them for customers for the
> past six months.  NONE of these servers have had any type of problem for
any
> reason.  My current Linux server for home use has been operating
flawlessly
> for over six months (I had to boot it due to a power outage almost three
> months ago that lasted longer than my UPS). This server runs a variety of
> services so the processor is definently running (although I'm sure rarely
at
> 100% unless I'm compiling something) all the time.
>
> The other AMD processer was an old 200MHz that's been running and
operating
> for about four years.
>
> I just purchased a 1GHz AMD processor for a windows box and I'm proud to
say
> that Windows hasn't crashed any more often than it did with my 450MHz
Intel
> processor.
>
> I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad motherboard.
> It happens.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> To: "Y" <ure@home.com>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron
>
>
> > Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety .....
> > spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid
> installation
> > "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD
> > drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT &
> Win2000
> > that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU
> is
> > a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel
ones)
> I
> > can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than
a
> > year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had
> > heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah)
> >
> > Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server
......
> > well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a
> day
> > before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several
times
> > over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was
> only
> > when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems
disappeared.
> > Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ...
> none
> > of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those
> > experienced with the AMD one.
> >
> > The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't
> > concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual
> > booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently
> > "features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't
see
> > the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of
> > those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly
> > gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever
> in
> > that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted
> their
> > game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment.
> >
> >
> > >         on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a
> > >         MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server
> > >         machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one
> > >         server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine
> > >         is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro
> the
> > only
> > >         problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums
> > >         as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am
> > >         asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs
> > >         out using it.
> > >
> > >         TIA
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >  Y
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Benjamin Lutz wrote:

> Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is
> lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what
> average kernel size do you guys have?

The Linux kernel is compressed on disk. I suspect the FreeBSD kernel may
not be.

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> I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad 
> motherboard.

I can't testify to which CPU is better, I have had good luck with both AMD
and Intel on FreeBSD.

I can, however, testify to the effects of a bad motherboard.

I had a cheap PC Chips MB with an 'illegal' BIOS chip.  I would get random
reboots all the time.  Sometimes after 3 minutes, sometimes after a week,
sometimes under heavy load, sometimes when idle.  There was no explaining
it.

Swapped out the MB and never had a problem since (same CPU and memory).

I can see how it would be real easy to blame the CPU (not that anyone is :-)
).

...Michael...



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Quite apart from all the dual-booting WinWhatever issues, the (FreeBSD 3.2)
news server episode here is a fair example of why I have no time for AMD ...
everything but the CPU was replaced several times over (with various breeds
of component readily available in OZ) without making the slightest
difference .... it was only when the AMD was replaced by an Intel that the
machine functioned for more than a day without crashing . Maybe its possible
to eventually find a combination of bits that do work properly with AMD but
I've got more than enough things to do than mess around with that nonsense.

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> > I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad
> > motherboard.
>
> I can't testify to which CPU is better, I have had good luck with both AMD
> and Intel on FreeBSD.
>
> I can, however, testify to the effects of a bad motherboard.
>
> I had a cheap PC Chips MB with an 'illegal' BIOS chip.  I would get random
> reboots all the time.  Sometimes after 3 minutes, sometimes after a week,
> sometimes under heavy load, sometimes when idle.  There was no explaining
> it.
>
> Swapped out the MB and never had a problem since (same CPU and memory).
>
> I can see how it would be real easy to blame the CPU (not that anyone is
:-)
> ).
>
> ...Michael...
>
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> Quite apart from all the dual-booting WinWhatever issues, the (FreeBSD 3.2)
> news server episode here is a fair example of why I have no time for AMD ...
> everything but the CPU was replaced several times over (with various breeds
> of component readily available in OZ) without making the slightest
> difference .... it was only when the AMD was replaced by an Intel that the
> machine functioned for more than a day without crashing . Maybe its possible
> to eventually find a combination of bits that do work properly with AMD but
> I've got more than enough things to do than mess around with that nonsense.

	Understandable... though totally 100% contradicts the my
experiences with AMD. BUT... I have heard of people with lots of
problems... the only unifiying factor was the CHIPSETS of the
motherboards. Of course in these cases these were companies building
bargain-basement home-PC boxes. For the record, Asus and Soltek are the
only motherboards I'll buy. Both run AMD chips flawlessly. :) In fact I've
now officially had more bad Intel chips pass through my hands then AMD
chips. :)

			Rick

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I should watch out for in the install process that would be different from
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2001 at 22:17:09 +0100, Benjamin Lutz wrote:
> Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is
> lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what
> average kernel size do you guys have?
>

> My FreeBSD box is configured as gateway/NATD/firewall, other than
> that there are not too many bells and whistles. The resulting kernel
> is a whopping 1'932'208 bytes. Is there something obvious I did not
> see?

I have a Linux box here:

[grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22

That's not very different.  Note that a lot of hardware support in
Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel.

> Also... how do I display the total size of all files in a single
> directory?

In general, not by asking two questions at once.  This one should go
to FreeBSD-questions.

> PS: Dont forget to CC your answers to benlutz@datacomm.ch . thanks.

Our convention is to group reply.  Your From: line is correct, but if
it wasn't, you should put in a Reply-To: header.

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Greg Lehey wrote:

> I have a Linux box here:
> 
> [grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22
> 
> That's not very different.  Note that a lot of hardware support in
> Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel.

Your Linux is a default kernel off of some distribution (the -22 gives
it away). A 2.2.16 kernel I just compiled to support only the hardware
actually present on the system weighs in at only 416,492 bytes. That's a
quarter the size you gave. (a FreeBSD kernel compiled for the same
system was over one megabyte).

Granted, FreeBSD has a different architecture than Linux. Comparing the
sizes of the kernels is like comparing apples and oranges. But Ben's
question was a good one, so I'll expand on it. Does putting the hardware
support into the kernel instead of modules account for this big of a
difference?

David


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On Tuesday, 23 January 2001 at 17:53:07 -0800, David Johnson wrote:
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>> I have a Linux box here:
>>
>> [grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22
>> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22
>>
>> That's not very different.  Note that a lot of hardware support in
>> Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel.
>
> Your Linux is a default kernel off of some distribution (the -22 gives
> it away). A 2.2.16 kernel I just compiled to support only the hardware
> actually present on the system weighs in at only 416,492 bytes. That's a
> quarter the size you gave. (a FreeBSD kernel compiled for the same
> system was over one megabyte).

It's also compressed.

> Granted, FreeBSD has a different architecture than Linux. Comparing
> the sizes of the kernels is like comparing apples and oranges. But
> Ben's question was a good one, so I'll expand on it. Does putting
> the hardware support into the kernel instead of modules account for
> this big of a difference?

I don't know.  As  you say, the comparison isn't too meaningful
anyway.  I suspect that new things like the CAM layer are much bigger
than their old counterparts.  My first BSD/386 kernel was only about
600 kB, so there has been a lot of growth.

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Doug Young wrote:
> 
> I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have
> either the time or
> the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively "fussy"

How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this
discussion?

AMDs aren't excessively fussy.  In fact, I find them to be less trouble
than Intel chips.

> > Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote:
> > > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum
> > > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on
> > > hardware which performs to spec.)
> >
> > Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v.  Pay no
> > attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is
> > relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on
> > the sticker on the side of the PS.
> >
> > > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this
> > > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips
> > > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be
> > > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even
> > > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have
> > > substandard RAM as their cause.
> >
> > Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty
> > safe.  If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a
> > vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware.
> >
> > > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card.
> >
> > Why not?


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jan 23 21:29:26 2001
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Hey can you tell me please hoe can you see the size of the kernal file what
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I think what you are asking is how do you see the size of the kernel
file...  what you do is go to the root directory than type:  ls -a kernel
what will show you the size of your kernel...


Later, Michael Black


On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, faisal wrote:

> Hey can you tell me please hoe can you see the size of the kernal file what
> files are they ?
> 
> thanks
> newbie
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On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 06:26:04PM -0800, dmp@pantherdragon.org wrote:
> Doug Young wrote:
> How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this
> discussion?
> 
> AMDs aren't excessively fussy.  In fact, I find them to be less trouble
> than Intel chips.

I agree. AMD chips have never given me any problems. I have used them
for years on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD systems. They have always
worked great. 
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Hello Doug,

Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 12:29:28, you wrote:

DY> Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety .....
DY> spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid installation
DY> "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD
DY> drive. ...........................

sounds like a VIA chipset DMA issue to me, has nothing to do with the
AMD chips. SP from www.via.com.tw should be applied, plus VIA DMATOOL,
plus HD_TACH would not hurt regardless of chip religion...sounds like
a system integrator issue to me...besides, this is not an
Offtopic'2000 group :-) I hope that you will sort it out eventually, -
there is a number of articles on MSFT website.

we even run W2K/NT4 on 4 SOYO 5EMA+ with "illegal" AMD K6-3 333 27/4

I know a website with rather high arrival rate hosted on MSI KT7Pro-2A
boards with a Thunderbirds... SCSI, of course.

Certainly, if you have fewer troubles w Intel, by all means use it, it's
a fine chip, excellent ingeneering, simply a dead end from
architectural point of view nowadays IMHO. And I would not care too
much for the Co that goes as far as selling "Spy Inside".

As for overclocking, those ingeneers aint stupid ;-)
-- 
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> Thanks all you guys out there i was the one who asked this question ...
> thank you for your opinions .
> well i dont know about high server but i have some experience with desktop
> machines i have used pentium III
> 550/650 mhz with 100/133 mhz front bus 128MB
> And i bought Duron 650 with 200 mhz front bus  64 MB for myself .
> And my still runs better dont know why !!!  but a friend of mine tells me
> that i should compare P III with Athlon which in my case is not so.....
>
>
> anyway thanks for the advises
> Faisal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dmp@pantherdragon.org>
> To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:26 PM
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>
>
> > Doug Young wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have
> > > either the time or
> > > the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively
> "fussy"
> >
> > How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this
> > discussion?
> >
> > AMDs aren't excessively fussy.  In fact, I find them to be less trouble
> > than Intel chips.
> >
> > > > Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote:
> > > > > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum
> > > > > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running
on
> > > > > hardware which performs to spec.)
> > > >
> > > > Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v.  Pay no
> > > > attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is
> > > > relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on
> > > > the sticker on the side of the PS.
> > > >
> > > > > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this
> > > > > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the
chips
> > > > > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must
be
> > > > > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but
even
> > > > > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have
> > > > > substandard RAM as their cause.
> > > >
> > > > Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty
> > > > safe.  If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a
> > > > vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware.
> > > >
> > > > > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card.
> > > >
> > > > Why not?
> >
> >
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Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying to
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> Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying to
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Doug, 
The site you gave me doesnt come up.

--- Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> wrote:
> Have a look at http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:36 AM
> Subject: PPP
> 
> 
> > Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying
> to
> > get my laptop onto the net, and I cant seem to do
> it.
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated!!
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OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
I need to configure these devices before I do the set
up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!

P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Jan 24 13: 5:13 2001
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If your hardware is supported, network configuration with FreeBSD is usually
a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a few dialog boxes
pop up
with simple english questions & thats about it. The unstated proviso is that
its
assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick to a very short
list
of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably every time but
some
people have either more time than I do or more interest in messing about.

Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due  to the often weird
components used so you'll need to check the hardware compatibility list
carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for laptop installers
but
I've never used it

If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it ... at least
every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family.

----- Original Message -----
From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM
Subject: Modem question


> OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
> guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
> FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
> whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
> RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
> on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
> I need to configure these devices before I do the set
> up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!
>
> P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.
>
> =====
> **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot)
> "Look at all the pretty C shells"
>
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	You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not for technical
questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :)

	Rick

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote:

> If your hardware is supported, network configuration with FreeBSD is usually
> a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a few dialog boxes
> pop up
> with simple english questions & thats about it. The unstated proviso is that
> its
> assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick to a very short
> list
> of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably every time but
> some
> people have either more time than I do or more interest in messing about.
> 
> Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due  to the often weird
> components used so you'll need to check the hardware compatibility list
> carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for laptop installers
> but
> I've never used it
> 
> If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it ... at least
> every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
> To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM
> Subject: Modem question
> 
> 
> > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
> > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
> > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
> > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
> > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
> > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
> > I need to configure these devices before I do the set
> > up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!
> >
> > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.
> >
> > =====
> > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot)
> > "Look at all the pretty C shells"
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Jan 24 14:28:59 2001
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Hi all,

   I did and read alot about upgrading the version, and about CVSup
   or re building the kernel for some reasons like to enable the
   sound card or any other things.

   But i still confused too much about this subject,
   I hope this will be my first guide from you.

   I'm on FreeBSD 4.2-Release.

   For Disk Quotas,

1)  I First Edit my kernel
   /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC   to   options QUOTA

   or should I cp GENERIC MYKERNEL
   and then edit MYKERNEL insted of GENERIC ?
   im confused here. :<


2)  Second I edit /etc/rc.conf to enable_quotas=``YES''


3)  Edit /etc/fstab to enable disk quotas
   /dev/da1s2g    /home    ufs rw,groupquota 1 2

   what is the 1 2 after groupquota ? should i write the groups name
   for example /dev/da1s2g    /home    ufs rw,groupquota test

   assuming that test is a group.

4) Now i should recompile the kernel, this is the problem :<
  what i should do now? can please kindly someone guide me throe this
  steps how to compile ?


===

For system UPdate,
im On FreeBSD 4.2-release as i mentiond.
If i want to upgrade to 4.2-stable
what i do?

Should i install /ports/net/cvsup-bin   ?

and then?


Sorry if my questions is too long or silly for you.
but the freebsd.org handbook, mention lot of things
and im confuse about it, i would like to take the info from here.


Thank you again and again.

-Marwan


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Jan 24 15:16:31 2001
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You have to configure your ppp.conf
and set it to what com your modem is on.
and set the number to your ISP and so forth

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
To: <freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: Modem question


> OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
> guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
> FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
> whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
> RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
> on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
> I need to configure these devices before I do the set
> up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!
> 
> P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.
> 
> =====
> **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot)
> "Look at all the pretty C shells"
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Thu Jan 25  0:28:34 2001
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To: RS <khalel1@yahoo.com>
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I double that, and recommend to ask in -mobile, since
they now A LOT about laptops..

Just when you ask, remember to tell your laptop model,
modem model (if you know it) and definitely the
freebsd version (the newer the better, at least on laptops)

Laptop internal modems tend to be winmodems, so you might need
to buy a pcmcia. 

And that said, you can see why you shouldn't ask questions
in -newbies. Below you can see that Doug said PCMCIA modems tend
to be winmodems, I say integrated modems tend to be winmodems.
Which is correct, or are they both? (I know that at least I'M right :) 

You can never be sure that answers on -newbies list are correct.

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> 
> 	You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not 
> for technical
> questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :)
> 
> 	Rick
> 
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> ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org
> 
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote:
> 
> > If your hardware is supported, network configuration with 
> FreeBSD is usually
> > a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a 
> few dialog boxes
> > pop up
> > with simple english questions & thats about it. The 
> unstated proviso is that
> > its
> > assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick 
> to a very short
> > list
> > of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably 
> every time but
> > some
> > people have either more time than I do or more interest in 
> messing about.
> > 
> > Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due  to 
> the often weird
> > components used so you'll need to check the hardware 
> compatibility list
> > carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for 
> laptop installers
> > but
> > I've never used it
> > 
> > If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it 
> ... at least
> > every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
> > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM
> > Subject: Modem question
> > 
> > 
> > > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
> > > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
> > > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
> > > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
> > > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
> > > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
> > > I need to configure these devices before I do the set
> > > up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!
> > >
> > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.
> > >
> > > =====
> > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot)
> > > "Look at all the pretty C shells"
> > >


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Thu Jan 25  0:43:16 2001
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I'm not 100% certain about all PCMCIA modems available elsewhere in
the world, but late last year I searched high & low in OZ for both PCMCIA
& GSM modems that weren't winmodems. There were only three, all industrial
grade external GSM models (Falcom / Ericsson / Siemens). The local agents
for
all other PCMCIA & internal products readily available here in OZ confirmed
that
their products were winmodems & only suitable for Win98 & possibly WinME.
I've yet to find any currently available internal modem (PCI / PCMCIA / GSM)
that works in FreeBSD, Solaris, WinNT, or Win2000.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jukka Similä" <jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com>
To: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>; "'Rick Hamell'"
<hamellr@heorot.1nova.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Modem question


> I double that, and recommend to ask in -mobile, since
> they now A LOT about laptops..
>
> Just when you ask, remember to tell your laptop model,
> modem model (if you know it) and definitely the
> freebsd version (the newer the better, at least on laptops)
>
> Laptop internal modems tend to be winmodems, so you might need
> to buy a pcmcia.
>
> And that said, you can see why you shouldn't ask questions
> in -newbies. Below you can see that Doug said PCMCIA modems tend
> to be winmodems, I say integrated modems tend to be winmodems.
> Which is correct, or are they both? (I know that at least I'M right :)
>
> You can never be sure that answers on -newbies list are correct.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> - www.jukkis.net - Jukkis - www.jukkis.net -
> --------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not
> > for technical
> > questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :)
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > *******************************************************************
> > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd
> > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware
> > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote:
> >
> > > If your hardware is supported, network configuration with
> > FreeBSD is usually
> > > a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a
> > few dialog boxes
> > > pop up
> > > with simple english questions & thats about it. The
> > unstated proviso is that
> > > its
> > > assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick
> > to a very short
> > > list
> > > of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably
> > every time but
> > > some
> > > people have either more time than I do or more interest in
> > messing about.
> > >
> > > Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due  to
> > the often weird
> > > components used so you'll need to check the hardware
> > compatibility list
> > > carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for
> > laptop installers
> > > but
> > > I've never used it
> > >
> > > If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it
> > ... at least
> > > every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "RS" <khalel1@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM
> > > Subject: Modem question
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you
> > > > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the
> > > > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the
> > > > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with
> > > > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD
> > > > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do
> > > > I need to configure these devices before I do the set
> > > > up PPP? If so, how?  TIA!!
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie.
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot)
> > > > "Look at all the pretty C shells"
> > > >
>
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Hi All,
have a pci diamond supra-max internal v.90 modem on com3,  when setting
up Kppp, error sorry can't open modem.  How do i know if bsd 4.0 knows i
have a modem?

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Hi Again All,
Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape???

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Apache is a server ..... Opera & Netscape (navigator /communicator) are
clients

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." <billsr@kconline.com>
To: "free-bsd newbies" <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:38 PM
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> Hi Again All,
> Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape???
>
> Bill L. Johnson Sr.
> billsr@kconline.com
>
>
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COM3 isn't enabled in default installations, a kernel compile is necessary
to use it.
I'd be VERY surprised if that modem will work anyway because I have never
met an internal PCI modem that isn't a winmodem ..... maybe some exist in
yankeeland but they certainly don't in OZ


----- Original Message -----
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> Hi All,
> have a pci diamond supra-max internal v.90 modem on com3,  when setting
> up Kppp, error sorry can't open modem.  How do i know if bsd 4.0 knows i
> have a modem?
>
> Bill L. Johnson Sr.
> billsr@kconline.com
>
>
>
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At 05:38 25-01-2001 -0500, Bill L. Johnson Sr. wrote:
>Hi Again All,
>Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape???

Apache is not a browser. It is a web server, that is the software
that runs a web site.

Adam

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Thu Jan 25  8:26: 3 2001
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Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely 
used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work?

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On 25-Jan-2001 James Polly wrote:
> Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely 
> used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work?
> 

I suggest you check out http://www.apache.org
In particular http://www.apache.org/httpd

Also, if you download the source and check out the default configuration files,
you will find they are very well-documented (look at httpd.conf).

As a brief, and perhaps mis-focused answer to your question (which was a tad
vague), Apache runs as a daemon on a *nix server (FreeBSD, Linux, HP/UX,
whatever).  

It reads config information from a file called httpd.conf, which can be
specified on the apache command line (something to the effect of
<path_to_httpd>/httpd -f <path_to_httpd.conf>/httpd.conf).

It is very easy to compile and install (though you should, of course, read all
documentation, first).  I managed to have my first web server up and running,
back when I could barely install FreeBSD on my own, in a few hours.

-Todd


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I have spent the last 48 - 72 hours pounding my head against the wall =
attempting to get a few things to work correctly.

FreeBSD 4.2 running on a pretty basic hardware setup.  It seems to be =
running just fine.  My problems are when I start trying to configure a =
few things

Sendmail and Qpopper I've managed to get working.  This was a pleasant =
surprise :)

DNS may NOT be working.  It's hard to tell from inside my network but =
I'm beginning to suspect that it's my secondary name server which is =
resolving the domain for the world.  Named is starting up and tells me =
things like Zone "name" (file) is using SOA minimum and that named is =
ready to answer queries.

However, the seconday won't load, my secondary DNS still has the old =
entries, and in Linux it used to say "Zone MASTER" now it just says =
"Zone".

The firewall is a nightmare.  I followed the default using client and =
simple and both of those lock me out and prevent forwarding.  I get =
"Failed to write packet back (Permission Denied)".  Only "open" works.  =
I also tried the example from the graveconcern site and I get the same =
problems.  I've followed the examples straight out of the complete =
FreeBSD book and STILL my inside network can't get out.  Just when I =
leave the firewall wide open.

Has anyone experienced similiar problems?  Anyone have any =
recommendations for me to conduct some last bit of research before I =
throw in the towel?  I'm not stupid, I've managed to get my linux server =
running, but I'm having WAY too many problems with no information here.  =
Some things are just NOT making sense.

Mike


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site and=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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At 11:28 25-01-2001 -0500, James Polly wrote:
>Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely 
>used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work?

Apache is a very complex piece of software to be explained "exactly"
in a single message. But you can read its FAQ at:

	http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html

That should either answer your questions or point you in the right
direction.

Cheers,
Adam

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First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.  Between
the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the
leap again.

This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server
which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3,
and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to transform
this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process.
Perhaps this will help some folks as well.

Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information.
People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page,
see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index".
I had no idea all that info was available.

Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE

Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning

Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better than
csh.  Besides, it easy :)

Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources?  Do
I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do YOU
recommend?

So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step
instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the
right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I can end
up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress.

Mike






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> So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step
> instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the
> right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I can end
> up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress.

	You really should post questions in -questions... that's what it
is for. -Newbies is *NOT* a technical list for many reasons. :) You might
also want to check some of my links below... 

	Rick

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Thu Jan 25 21: 7:26 2001
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I've only just started messing with CVS & firewalls after nearly two years
of FreeBSD .... got it updating ports & source but from what I've seen to
date I'd rate
the whole CVS bit as useless. Broken ports (yes there are a heap of them)
are still broken even after several weeks of updates. Its probably simpler
to just buy (or download the ISO) & replace the o/s every major version. At
least kernel compiles are a lot more straightforward than those stupid
thousand line disasters common to linux & they don't usually result in
987,000 error messages before crashing in a smouldering heap either.


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Frustrated but trying again


> First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.
Between
> the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the
> leap again.
>
> This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server
> which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with
php3,
> and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to transform
> this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process.
> Perhaps this will help some folks as well.
>
> Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information.
> People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first
page,
> see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on
"Index".
> I had no idea all that info was available.
>
> Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE
>
> Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning
>
> Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better than
> csh.  Besides, it easy :)
>
> Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources?
Do
> I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do YOU
> recommend?
>
> So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step
> instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the
> right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I can end
> up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we
progress.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>



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hi
well, mounting the cdrom wasn't such an issue. the problem i had (or
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it says that the devide is busy. "eject" seems to be missing from my
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or if u are in one of it's subdirectories...i checked for both of these
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so what's causing the "deive busy" and preventing the unmount

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hey mike
i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to
routing/natd/firewall

leave the firewall open

then install the services you need

dns first as the others will depend on it

www

smtp

pop3

then start tweaking the firewall

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young
Subject: Frustrated but trying again


First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.  Between
the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the
leap again.

This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server
which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3,
and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to transform
this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process.
Perhaps this will help some folks as well.

Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information.
People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page,
see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index".
I had no idea all that info was available.

Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE

Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning

Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better than
csh.  Besides, it easy :)

Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources?  Do
I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do YOU
recommend?

So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step
instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the
right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I can end
up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress.

Mike






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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26  5:18:43 2001
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I'd be interested in hearing if the kernel compile works properly .....
a few of us have been getting compile failures in 4.2


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> hey mike
> i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to
> routing/natd/firewall
>
> leave the firewall open
>
> then install the services you need
>
> dns first as the others will depend on it
>
> www
>
> smtp
>
> pop3
>
> then start tweaking the firewall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM
> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young
> Subject: Frustrated but trying again
>
>
> First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.
Between
> the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the
> leap again.
>
> This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server
> which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with
php3,
> and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to transform
> this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process.
> Perhaps this will help some folks as well.
>
> Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information.
> People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first
page,
> see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on
"Index".
> I had no idea all that info was available.
>
> Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE
>
> Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning
>
> Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better than
> csh.  Besides, it easy :)
>
> Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources?
Do
> I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do YOU
> recommend?
>
> So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step
> instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the
> right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I can end
> up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we
progress.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26  7: 7:29 2001
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The last time I recompiled I ran into problems with the USB section
during make.  I'll give it a whirl here in just a few and let you know
how it pans out.

Mike

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> I'd be interested in hearing if the kernel compile works properly
.....
> a few of us have been getting compile failures in 4.2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan" <rnera@optushome.com.au>
> To: "'Mike'" <mike@sixpak.net>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" <mike@inethouston.net>; "'Doug Young'"
> <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 12:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Frustrated but trying again
>
>
> > hey mike
> > i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to
> > routing/natd/firewall
> >
> > leave the firewall open
> >
> > then install the services you need
> >
> > dns first as the others will depend on it
> >
> > www
> >
> > smtp
> >
> > pop3
> >
> > then start tweaking the firewall
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM
> > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young
> > Subject: Frustrated but trying again
> >
> >
> > First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.
> Between
> > the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm
making the
> > leap again.
> >
> > This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux
server
> > which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache
with
> php3,
> > and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to
transform
> > this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire
process.
> > Perhaps this will help some folks as well.
> >
> > Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of
information.
> > People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the
first
> page,
> > see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on
> "Index".
> > I had no idea all that info was available.
> >
> > Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE
> >
> > Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow
morning
> >
> > Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better
than
> > csh.  Besides, it easy :)
> >
> > Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the
sources?
> Do
> > I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do
YOU
> > recommend?
> >
> > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by
step
> > instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step
in the
> > right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I
can end
> > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we
> progress.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> # umount /cdrom
> it says that the devide is busy.

You are using the directory you are trying to unmount.

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> > # umount /cdrom
> > it says that the devide is busy.
> 
> You are using the directory you are trying to unmount.

	Please ask and answer questions in -questions. That is what it is
for. -newbies is not for technical questions of any sort.


	Rick

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26  9:27:32 2001
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Rick,

I think you're carrying "the letter of the law" a little too
extensively.  Questions is great for technical questions and help on
problems.

But there are alot of questions that are definently "newbie related".
Isn't this the best place for those type of questions?

I know for me personally, wading thru 50+ emails a day in questions is a
bit too much.
If I'm incorrect in my assumptions, please forgive me, as I'm a newbie
myself :)

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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>
> > > # umount /cdrom
> > > it says that the devide is busy.
> >
> > You are using the directory you are trying to unmount.
>
> Please ask and answer questions in -questions. That is what it is
> for. -newbies is not for technical questions of any sort.
>
>
> Rick
>
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> I think you're carrying "the letter of the law" a little too
> extensively.  Questions is great for technical questions and help on
> problems.

	Sorry.... I disagree... This has been an ongoing problem. -newbies
was created with the cavet that ALL technical questions be asked in
-questions. There are multiple reasons for this, but the main reason is
that -newbies is just that. If you have a buisness dependant on your
system and get flawed information from -newbies accidently, it could make
things worse. 
	-Newbies is for helping the newbie know where to get information,
not what the actual information is. In my opinion this mailing list has
become a hinderance to the FreeBSD Project... nothing -newbie related gets
discussed here, including by myself.

					Rick

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26  9:40:41 2001
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Tried the compile with USB in and make failed

Took the USB stuff out and I'm now running a new kernel. :)

Currently I'm sitting behind a firewall while I work on this box.  I
prefer to not give the whole world access to my internal network while I
do this, so I that firewall has got to move up in my list of priorities.

So I'm going to configure sendmail, qpopper, DNS and Named, NAT, and the
firewall.  Once I've done that, I'll configure the second nic and put
the system on-line.  That's when I find out how bad I've botched
everything else up :)

Hopefully sometime today, if not, then tomorrow!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
To: "Ryan" <rnera@optushome.com.au>; "'Mike'" <mike@sixpak.net>;
<freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" <mike@inethouston.net>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again


> I'd be interested in hearing if the kernel compile works properly
.....
> a few of us have been getting compile failures in 4.2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan" <rnera@optushome.com.au>
> To: "'Mike'" <mike@sixpak.net>; <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" <mike@inethouston.net>; "'Doug Young'"
> <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 12:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Frustrated but trying again
>
>
> > hey mike
> > i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to
> > routing/natd/firewall
> >
> > leave the firewall open
> >
> > then install the services you need
> >
> > dns first as the others will depend on it
> >
> > www
> >
> > smtp
> >
> > pop3
> >
> > then start tweaking the firewall
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM
> > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young
> > Subject: Frustrated but trying again
> >
> >
> > First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug.
> Between
> > the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm
making the
> > leap again.
> >
> > This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux
server
> > which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache
with
> php3,
> > and of course a firewall.  With your help and input - I hope to
transform
> > this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire
process.
> > Perhaps this will help some folks as well.
> >
> > Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of
information.
> > People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the
first
> page,
> > see some articles, and that was it.  Holy Shit, I never clicked on
> "Index".
> > I had no idea all that info was available.
> >
> > Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE
> >
> > Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow
morning
> >
> > Step #4 - I'm installing bash.  I like bash, ALOT.  It's 10x better
than
> > csh.  Besides, it easy :)
> >
> > Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the
sources?
> Do
> > I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall?  What do
YOU
> > recommend?
> >
> > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by
step
> > instructions.  But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step
in the
> > right direction.  Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea?  I
can end
> > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we
> progress.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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To: "Mike" <mike@sixpak.net>, "Ryan" <rnera@optushome.com.au>,
	"'Michael J. Turner'" <mike@inethouston.net>
Cc: <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>
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Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:50:06 +1000
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> Took the USB stuff out and I'm now running a new kernel. :)

OK .... maybe thats whats broken
>
> So I'm going to configure sendmail, qpopper, DNS and Named, NAT, and the
> firewall.  Once I've done that, I'll configure the second nic and put
> the system on-line.  That's when I find out how bad I've botched
> everything else up :)

Sendmail is running by default, you simply need to allow some relaying
....everything you need to know there is at my site

I prefer cucipop to popper .... its never given me any trouble. Only the
IMAP mail applications are trouble.

NAT might be OK if you use NATD rather than ppp -nat, although it appears
that most experts advise against using NATD with user ppp




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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                                       
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   FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26 20:21: 6 2001
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Completed!  The DNS, Sendmail, Pop, NAT, and even the firewall!  Whoot =
Everything is running!

PS.. Definently the USB that screws up the 4.2 kernel compiles.

Mike
(One Happy guy :)


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Jan 26 21:25: 0 2001
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Mike wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I think you're carrying "the letter of the law" a little too
> extensively.  Questions is great for technical questions and help on
> problems.
>

I'd have to agree with mike here as well. Sending a message to questions
saying "How do I eject my CDROM " I doubt would give you many replies.


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sat Jan 27  1:49:27 2001
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If I retrive my e-mail using netscape how can I use ctm-src that I
recive by mail.


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sat Jan 27 16: 7:37 2001
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From: "John McGarrigle" <johnm@ic5.net>
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Subject: Problem with top in 4.2-RELEASE
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Hey,

I tried to run top after installing the latest 4.2-RELEASE, and got this
error message;

Ion:/etc# top
top: nlist failed

Just wondered if any of you guys could shed some light on the problem or
something similar :)

Thanks

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