From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 0:38:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBE937B71A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26500; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:37:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdG26498; Sun Mar 11 18:37:45 2001 Message-ID: <005801c0aa06$afbe8bc0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Kathy Quinlan" , "Jesper Holmberg" Cc: References: <20010310110336.A8589@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> <030401c0a946$d22c5720$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> Subject: Re: Enough is enough (About Unix) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:38:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Definitely prefer ee over anything else .... it does the basics quite adequately ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: "Jesper Holmberg" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Enough is enough (About Unix) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesper Holmberg" > To: "FreeBSD-newbies" > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:03 PM > Subject: Enough is enough (About Unix) > > > > Now, I have have yet another small question: should I use Emacs or Vi > > for editing? > Lol > > I use ee much easier > with vi I have to keep referring to the man page and it is a pain > > regards, > > Kat (a newbie who has learnt a lot administering a home network) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 0:54:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD337B71C for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26515; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:54:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdt26513; Sun Mar 11 18:54:11 2001 Message-ID: <00b701c0aa08$fbd25620$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Tyler K McGeorge" , "Tatsu" , References: <65264625931.20010310155319@rpg.pl> <000d01c0a9f9$d41a0600$103b7c18@palisor.yi.org> Subject: Re: Installation Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:55:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't think its even possible to install FreeBSD without sendmail / ftp / etc, its simple enough to stop things working though with a line in rc.conf eg sendmail_enable="NO" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler K McGeorge" To: "Tatsu" ; Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Installation > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tatsu > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:53 AM > Subject: Installation > > > | I want to learn how to make a FreeBSD server to work : > > Don't we all. > > | I dont want to have any sandmail working, ftp etc. nothing just pure > | system no services... > > Sendmail is an intergral part of the system. Usually the only reason > you would ever get rid of sendmail would be to replace it with a > version from a different mail daemon. > > | Or maybe thats not a good idea ? > > Good and bad are rough subjects when it comes to things like this. > It would be a very valuable experience, but chances are, it would > take far more knowledge than you probably already have about > FreeBSD. You would most likely become confused, lost and > discouraged. I've been running FreeBSD for a little over a year now > and I'm just now getting around to customizing my kernal (oi, spare > time is sparse) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 1:21:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C920337B71A for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26547; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:21:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdQ26545; Sun Mar 11 19:21:15 2001 Message-ID: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Bill Schoolcraft" , "Jesper Holmberg" Cc: "FreeBSD-newbies" References: Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:22:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've been using Unix type OS's for a while (1996) and have never > used emacs yet. Life with all the Unix's is difficult enough and I > have a motto of "I pick and choose my own battles...." and vi is a > battle enough. I've always wondered why whoever it was that developed VI had to make it so obtuse ... maybe there is a logical reason but thankfully the default FreeBSD includes the infinitely more user-friendly ee. I'm doing a bit on Open BSD at present & it doesn't have ee, so looks like I'll need to figure out some basic VI commands > > When I become a "vi pro" if there is such a thing, then I might > venture towards emacs. > > > -- > Bill Schoolcraft > PO Box 210076 -o) > San Francisco CA 94121 /\ > "UNIX, A Way Of Life." _\_v > http://forwardslashunix.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 1:29:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from baku.host4u.net (baku.host4u.net [216.71.64.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E32F37B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:29:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsddiary@baku.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by baku.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01909; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:23:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 03:23:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200103110923.DAA01909@baku.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-02-18 - 2001-03-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 19-Feb : Job search I'm looking for a job.... http://freebsddiary.org/jobsearch.html?2 22-Feb : FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE schedule You heard it here first.... http://freebsddiary.org/freebsd43release.html?2 27-Feb : NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered - a solution After several months, a solution which works http://freebsddiary.org/nfs-portmap.html?2 28-Feb : Which BSD site is sending out spam? Did you get spam from a BSD site today? http://freebsddiary.org/bsdsearch.html?2 2-Mar : BSDSearch spam followup some of the reaction from BSDSearch http://freebsddiary.org/bsdsearch-2.html?2 10-Mar : Creating an NTP server with a cheap clock Not really useful outside Europe http://freebsddiary.org/dcf77.html?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 4:57:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f78.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC36A37B719 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasonla_@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:57:17 -0800 Received: from 64.29.224.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:57:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.29.224.29] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Solaris 2.x Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:57:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2001 12:57:17.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD447D20:01C0AA2A] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know where I can download Solaris 2.x? Sun doesn't carry it anymore. I wanted to try out Solaris, but I have an old pentium 166 and ISA buses, and apparenlty Solaris 8 requires PCI and at least 64 megs of RAM. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 5:30:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A946B37B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from u98jobj@stud.hh.se) Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@L22-212.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26293; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:30:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:30:33 +0100 (CET) From: Joel Bjork To: jasonla@pobox.com Subject: RE: Solaris 2.x Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Mar-01 Jason La wrote: > Anyone know where I can download Solaris 2.x? Sun doesn't carry it > anymore. > I wanted to try out Solaris, but I have an old pentium 166 and ISA > buses, > and apparenlty Solaris 8 requires PCI and at least 64 megs of RAM. > > Thanks. I don't think those versions were ported to intel. Considering how poorly it performs on Intel I think you're better off with FreeBSD. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Joel Bjork Date: 11-Mar-01 Time: 14:30:33 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 14:20:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50E537B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA23447; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:19:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma023358; Sun, 11 Mar 01 16:19:29 -0600 Message-ID: <3AABFA0A.2931FE09@confusion.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:19:54 -0600 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: lhsmith@cfl.rr.com, Jesper Holmberg , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, b.j.smith@ieee.org, thebs@theseus.com, "Denis J. Cirulis" Subject: Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking References: <01030800251100.00557@r55h47.res.gatech.edu> <20010308115639.A4298@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> <022801c0a7c0$024f8860$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AA79277.32455314@cfl.rr.com> <028b01c0a7e <015101c0a8e3$3e8f5fc0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm gonna go through the list of why we use Linux, keeping in mind that I personally prefer BSD, but administer heterogenious networks that often include various components. The systems I administer while at flooz include: NT (blech, migrating away) OpenBSD BSD/OS Linux Solaris IOS (I don't know much, so I've never done anything with it, but of course we use it in our Cisco gear) Doug Young wrote: > > The situation here that resulted in a move of all systems previously running > linux over to BSD > > (a) an all volunteer organization (few people to do stuff) Being a company with funding and employees, this is less of a problem > (b) remotely hosted systems (can take some days before anyone gets there) We are also remote hosted, but it's a colo with remote hands for simple things such as fsck, and as we're paid, we can get someone there in a few hours notice, less during weekdays. > (c) continual power failures (occupational hazard in parts of OZ) Redundant UPS, generators, etc. All handled by the colo > (d) lack of UPS & inability to acquire such a beast (committees etc) See c > (e) repeated problems with linux O/Ses after power cuts (they just got badly > broken) My experience says it's not as bad as yours, plus we don't have many power cuts (though we once lost a DB server when a power strip blew itself up) > > At this point items (a) to (d) are unchanged, all remote systems now have > some version of BSD, > and we no longer have a downtime issue. If people wish to argue about the > technicalities then so be it ... we don't have the problem anymore so thats > all that mattered here. I'm as comfortable with Linux as FreeBSD, though I personally prefer FreeBSD. Our other admins are similarly proficient. THe use of linux comes down to commercial software, for which we pay, not being officially supported under FreeBSD. Had that not been the case, I don't know which we'd be using. It'd be a lot more of a toss up, but as an intern and the most junior member of the systems team, I wouldn't get say anyway. I'm not even sure why I'm writing this, just thought the newbies should get both sides of the coin I suppose. Keep in mind that in the end I prefer FreeBSD, so I'm to some extent just playing devil's advocate. Laurence http://www.isp.nwu.edu/~laurence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Berland" > To: "Doug Young" > Cc: ; "Jesper Holmberg" ; > ; ; ; > "Denis J. Cirulis" > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking > > > I'm not going to really get involved with this, but let me share a > > little anecdotal evidence. A few times, just to see what would happen, > > I pulled the power cord for a power strip that contained not one, not > > two, not three, but ten Linux servers. Nine came up without problems. > > The tenth needed a little help with the fsck. I've done this sort of > > thing more than once, and I'd rate 1 in 10 as a reasonable rate. Never > > did I need to reinstall. FreeBSD had better results, 1 in 100 or so. > > Also, no reinstalls. Both systems may need a reinstall on very very > > rare occasions, so rare I've never seen it happen. You'd have to hose > > the system very badly. It's all pretty reliable. Let's not become the > > FUD spreaders here. > > > > Needing sleep, writing papers at 3 am, wishing I wasnt, > > Laurence > > > > http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence > > > > Doug Young wrote: > > > > > > My point remains .... our FreeBSD systems invariably recover after a > power > > > failure, the previous linux ones rarely did. Given the difficulty in > getting > > > to the remote systems thats more than sufficient justification for the > move > > > from linux to FreeBSD. We'd never consider running any form of Windows > on > > > remote systems ... we do have some Win2000 boxes but they are all kept > close > > > to home where they can get a hug when needed. In comparison the FreeSD > boxes > > > typically run for about a year before upgrade, the linux ones lasted > maybe > > > two months at best, and the (local) Win2000 systems probably get 6 > months > > > between re-installs. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lourdes H. Smith" > > > To: "Doug Young" > > > Cc: "Jesper Holmberg" ; > > > ; ; > ; > > > "Denis J. Cirulis" > > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking > > > > > > > Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking > > > > > > > > Lourdes' husband here -- > > > > > > > > Okay Doug, you are so full of crap, my wife came to me with > > > > questions based on your misinformation. That's sad. Learn the > > > > systems and only talk about _what_you_know_! I rebuke your comments > > > > below. The key here is _technical_facts_. Now if you want to talk > > > > about those, come to ELUG (http://www.elug.org). We cater to all > > > > OSS (Open Source Software) users. > > > > > > > > Doug Young wrote: > > > > > Try the following on both a linux & a BSD system > > > > > setup two identical systems,one with linux & other with BSD > > > > > give them both a few jobs to do, then hit the "reset" button > > > > > (you do have power failures in Sweden don't you ??) > > > > > invariably the BSD system will recover with no damage but > > > > > the linux one will need a total re-install > > > > > > > > I have maintained over 100 production Linux systems over the years > > > > (since 1995 on corporate networks). I have never, ever had to > > > > re-install. Same goes for BSD (which I've used limitedly since 1995 > > > > as well). [ Side note: I've been an NT administrator even longer > > > > (1992-1999), and re-installs are a fact of life (not as bad as Win9x > > > > -- but I find NTFS will destroy itself after 2-3 years of good use > > > > when it "assumes" a journal flush is good). ] > > > > > > > > Now I know you are _trying_ to "stress" the fact that most Linux > > > > distributions don't come with a "journaling filesystem", but the > > > > default, Linux Ext2 filesystem is quite a reliable filesystem, > > > > despite its simplicity. In fact, of all the major UFS (UNIX > > > > Filesystems), it fragments the least (although fragmentation on any > > > > UFS not even close to being as bad as any Windows OS). > > > > > > > > > We did have exclusively linux in our servers but since the > changeover to > > > > > FreeBSD the uptimes have increased to the point where machines > > > > > generally keep going constantly from one upgrade til the next ... > > > usually > > > > > a year or so later. The Redhat / Slackware / Debian systems rarely > went > > > > > for a month before something or other broke. We do have the odd > Win2000 > > > > > Server system (required for certain software applications) & their > > > uptime > > > > > is generally superior to linux ..... no comparison with BSD though. > > > > > > > > Everyone's going to have their own comments. My main Linux-based > > > > Samba-NFS file server (which also does mail, CVS and everything else > > > > under the sun) for over 50 NT, Solaris and Linux clients is running > > > > RedHat 6.2 with kernel 2.2.16+Ext3+NFS3. Crash recovery times are > > > > <<5 minutes -- but I've only seen that happen once. It stays up > > > > forever (until stupid Florida Power goes down). > > > > > > > > "Denis J. Cirulis" wrote: > > > > > I don't want to claim BSD or Linux, I must say I'm using both BSD > > > > > and Linux about 5 years. > > > > > > > > Same boat. No bigotry. > > > > > > > > > You're wrong about power failures: first you can switch to > > > > > ReiserFS and after power failure you wouldn't be asked to do > > > > > fsck. Journaling FS rocks, but I haven't seen any for FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > ReiserFS has issues as an NFS server. Regardless, I have extensive > > > > knowledge of Ext3 on *PRODUCTION* systems. I'm also moving into > > > > using XFS (I repackage their kernels from CVS in RPM format) since > > > > Ext3 doesn't run on 2.4. XFS is a pretty advanced system. > > > > > > > > I recently did a presentation on Linux JFS options (focus on Ext3 > > > > and XFS). You can find it here: > > > > > > > > > http://www.smithconcepts.com/files/presentations/ELUG_JFS_2001Mar05a.pdf > > > > > > > > > One I must say that *BSD under heavy load are more powerfull. > > > > > > > > That's the power of its mature VM and scheduler systems. Linux is > > > > getting there. Linux 2.4 really improves _a_lot_. Linus is getting > > > > good at balancing simplicity and single-user performance against > > > > server/multiuser performance. > > > > > > > > -- Bryan "TheBS" Smith > > > > Engineering/SysAdmin, Theseus Logic, Inc. > > > > Contributing Author, "Samba Unleashed" > > > > [ Note: One chapter was the "Samba Unleashed" appendix on BSD > > > > ;-P ] > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > Laurence Berland > > Intern, Flooz.com > > Northwestern '04 > > stuyman@confusion.net > > http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence > > > > "The world has turned and left me here" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland Intern, Flooz.com Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 14:57: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552937B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27262; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:56:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdj27260; Mon Mar 12 08:56:06 2001 Message-ID: <02a101c0aa7e$9984eac0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Laurence Berland" Cc: , "Jesper Holmberg" , , , , "Denis J. Cirulis" References: <01030800251100.00557@r55h47.res.gatech.edu> <20010308115639.A4298@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> <022801c0a7c0$024f8860$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AA79277.32455314@cfl.rr.com> <028b01c0a7e Subject: Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:57:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > NT (blech, migrating away) > OpenBSD > BSD/OS > Linux > Solaris > IOS (I don't know much, so I've never done anything with it, but of > course we use it in our Cisco gear) We had the odd NT .... as you say it is a dog. I've sometimes thought that a BSOD could be invoked by just poking ones tongue at it :), however the Win2K replacement is a horse of a different color completely ... still way short of BSD / Solaris in terms of uptimes but its almost usable now. I dunno where Bill gets his advice that W2K stays up for 6 months or more, but I regularly get a week & sometimes two out of it without a UPS, maybe a month when a UPS is used, I'd so probably use W2K in preference to linux. (assuming no application support issues) > > THe use of linux comes down to commercial software, for which we pay, > not being officially supported under FreeBSD. Had that not been the > case, I don't know which we'd be using. It'd be a lot more of a toss > up, but as an intern and the most junior member of the systems team, I > wouldn't get say anyway. I guess our use of FreeBSD in Apana is close to its ideal, in style of operation if not in magnitude. The only relevant services / applications needed are things like DNS / FTP / http (apache & ColdFusion) / SMTP (sendmail) / POP3 (cucipop) / database (mySQL) which are all supported. With many commercial clients I can install whatever I'm prepared to support ... in a few cases I've got Solaris / StarOffice in to replace Win98 / MS Office, however its almost obligatory to use some rendition of Windows O/S in commercial offices because of stuff like the DOS based accounting apps. I've been experimenting with various emulators etc also the very nice VNC remote control thingy. Thats a huge improvement on the quite usable (but bandwidth hogging) Windows Terminal Sevices. Both Solaris & SCO have interesting products too but still reliant on having a Windows box lurking around someplace. Maybe the use of BSD on workstations will get a boost after Sun releases Solaris 9 with Gnome .... if nothing else they will get rid of that ugly great paw thats currently plastered all over the place !! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 10:27: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2214B37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4413; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:31:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3AAD14E4.98A62DC3@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:26:44 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesper Holmberg Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Enough is enough (About Unix) References: <20010310110336.A8589@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jesper Holmberg wrote: > The conclusion I will draw from this is to keep using both. Hope that > doesn't upset anyone. No problem with that. I use both Slackware and FreeBSD and haven't made up my mind between them yet. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 11: 2: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEB537B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5C11; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:06:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3AAD1D20.48F149B1@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:01:52 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) References: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Young wrote: > > I've always wondered why whoever it was that developed VI had to make > it so obtuse ... Obtuse? Maybe I'm dating myself, but I can remember the day when vi was considered to be very user friendly. At one time, line editors were all there were. Even DOS had only edlin once upon a time. Compared to what was available, vi was a breath of fresh air. Most terminals back then had only alphanumerics and ESC. No ALT, no CTRL, no arrow keys. Which is why you use hjkl to move around and have to switch between editing and command modes. If the all of the terminals back them had Meta keys I'm sure Bill Joy (the whoever it was) would have used them to make it simpler. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 11: 9:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.kent.edu (smtp02.kent.edu [131.123.250.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB6137B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkeatts@kent.edu) Received: from kent.edu (tech-1.geology.kent.edu [131.123.7.181]) by smtp02.kent.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12916 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAD1ED9.F5B269A3@kent.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:09:23 -0500 From: "Merida J. Keatts" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Correction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Under the "Learning about FreeBSD" section, sentence one: the link to the "latest mainstream release" takes the newbie (me) to the Announcement page for release 3.4, dated December 1999. The main FreeBSD page Announcement reveals that the latest release is 4.2 as of Nov 2000. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 12:22: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18F837B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA79963; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:21:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdj79960; Tue Mar 13 06:21:35 2001 Message-ID: <03c301c0ab32$2c7d5660$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" Cc: "FreeBSD-newbies" References: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> <3AAD1D20.48F149B1@acuson.com> Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:22:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The period when VI was considered "user-friendly" was undoubtedly around the time when the CEO of IBM declared that the world market for personal computers could go as high as five units. Whether or not "old school" unix agree with the "point & click" philosophy, there is no escaping the fact that the vast majority of PC users have come from a GUI environment & therefore expect something more intuitive than arcane. There may well be reasons for using VI if one is a developer, however for someone who merely wishes to change a word or a line in some .conf file its a total overkill. At least we have "ee" & even "pico" available. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "FreeBSD-newbies" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:01 AM Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) > Doug Young wrote: > > > > I've always wondered why whoever it was that developed VI had to make > > it so obtuse ... > > Obtuse? Maybe I'm dating myself, but I can remember the day when vi was > considered to be very user friendly. At one time, line editors were all > there were. Even DOS had only edlin once upon a time. Compared to what > was available, vi was a breath of fresh air. > > Most terminals back then had only alphanumerics and ESC. No ALT, no > CTRL, no arrow keys. Which is why you use hjkl to move around and have > to switch between editing and command modes. If the all of the terminals > back them had Meta keys I'm sure Bill Joy (the whoever it was) would > have used them to make it simpler. > > David > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 12:43:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7679537B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2682; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:48:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3AAD34E4.E4B72CC1@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:43:16 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) References: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> <3AAD1D20.48F149B1@acuson.com> <03c301c0ab32$2c7d5660$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Young wrote: > > The period when VI was considered "user-friendly" was undoubtedly around the > time when the CEO of IBM declared that the world market for personal > computers > could go as high as five units. This was 1981-82. The IBM PC was still relatively new, but there were certainly more than five units :-) For a Unix user at that time, vi *was* the friendliest editor. Maybe you always remember your first love fondly, but even today I still use vi for editing configuration files, even if I happen to already have XEmacs up and running... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 12:53:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC1B37B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA80536; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:53:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdD80531; Tue Mar 13 06:53:11 2001 Message-ID: <041201c0ab36$96629280$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" Cc: "FreeBSD-newbies" References: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> <3AAD1D20.48F149B1@acuson.com> <03c301c0ab32$2c7d5660$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AAD34E4.E4B72CC1@acuson.com> Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:54:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually I still have nightmares thinking about trying to get anything to work in linux. I'm messing around with OpenBSD at present (which doesn't have "ee") so there doesn't appear to be any immediate alternative to VI .... mind you pico is high on the list of apps to install. > This was 1981-82. The IBM PC was still relatively new, but there were > certainly more than five units :-) For a Unix user at that time, vi > *was* the friendliest editor. > > Maybe you always remember your first love fondly, but even today I still > use vi for editing configuration files, even if I happen to already have > XEmacs up and running... > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 13:16:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A029437B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:16:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3A0B; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3AAD3CB8.152300F9@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:16:40 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) References: <00ed01c0aa0c$c386e160$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> <3AAD1D20.48F149B1@acuson.com> <03c301c0ab32$2c7d5660$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AAD34E4.E4B72CC1@acuson.com> <041201c0ab36$96629280$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Young wrote: > > Actually I still have nightmares thinking about trying to get anything to > work in linux. > I'm messing around with OpenBSD at present (which doesn't have "ee") so > there > doesn't appear to be any immediate alternative to VI .... mind you pico is > high on > the list of apps to install. Of course, use what you want, but every Unix system will have vi, but might not have ee or pico. It might not be the easiest, but vi is something that newbies should learn. You don't have to learn all the vi commands, but only a few of them can take you a long ways. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 13:57: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CECC37B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cschindl@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.142]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17301; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29186; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cschindl@localhost) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29180; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac2.wam.umd.edu: cschindl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) From: "c. schindler" To: David Johnson Cc: Doug Young , FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Enough is enough (emacs vs vi) In-Reply-To: <3AAD3CB8.152300F9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i agree. vi is very powerful editor once u get comfortable with it. pico is decent for newbies, but if your are writing large scale programs, vi is better for maneuvering through all those lines of code. ---------------- chris news for freeBSD-newbies, stuff that really matters On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, David Johnson wrote: > Doug Young wrote: > > > > Actually I still have nightmares thinking about trying to get anything to > > work in linux. > > I'm messing around with OpenBSD at present (which doesn't have "ee") so > > there > > doesn't appear to be any immediate alternative to VI .... mind you pico is > > high on > > the list of apps to install. > > Of course, use what you want, but every Unix system will have vi, but > might not have ee or pico. It might not be the easiest, but vi is > something that newbies should learn. You don't have to learn all the vi > commands, but only a few of them can take you a long ways. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 17:53:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.oss.ru (relay.oss.ru [212.119.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F4D37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rusegg@yahoo.com) Received: from red ([212.119.34.100]) by relay.oss.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA27385 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:55:16 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200103130155.EAA27385@relay.oss.ru> From: kirill To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Правильная регистрация X-Mailer: Mail Bomber Reply-To: rusegg@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:56:50 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Регистрация в 30 Российских поисковых системах и каталогах - 30$. Регистрация в 20 международных поисковых системах и каталогах - 20$. Регистрация сайта в поисковых системах Rambler.ru, Yandex.ru и Aport.ru с появлением Вашего сайта на первой странице запроса по Вашим ключевым словам - договорная. Если у вас нет интернет представительства возможно изготовление страницы с Вашими координатами, описанием услуги или товара, которая будет расположенна по адресу ваше_имя.narod.ru - 50$ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 18: 0:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF5437B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA99528; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:00:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdO99526; Tue Mar 13 12:00:29 2001 Message-ID: <018801c0ab61$82496780$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: <200103130155.EAA27385@relay.oss.ru> Subject: Re: ?????????? ??????????? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:01:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmmm .... now thats a good question. If it was posted in a language that a few people could read it might even get some responses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirill" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: ?????????? ??????????? > > Регистрация в 30 Российских поисковых системах и каталогах - 30$. > > Регистрация в 20 международных поисковых системах и каталогах - 20$. > > Регистрация сайта в поисковых системах Rambler.ru, Yandex.ru и Aport.ru > с появлением Вашего сайта на первой странице запроса по Вашим ключевым словам - договорная. > > Если у вас нет интернет представительства возможно изготовление страницы > с Вашими координатами, описанием услуги или товара, которая будет расположенна > по адресу ваше_имя.narod.ru - 50$ > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 18: 1:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from theloft.thedenn.com (ool-18b955d9.dyn.optonline.net [24.185.85.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB5637B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@thedenn.com) Subject: RE: ?????????? ??????????? Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <55E857B71651F848A7852708268C9D161FC6@theloft.thedenn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: ?????????? ??????????? Thread-Index: AcCrYQGoTkNtTypFQcO5ZbQ32DKw1wAAA3Uw From: "Steve" To: "Doug Young" , , Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think he wants to give us money.;) -----Original Message----- From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:01 PM To: rusegg@yahoo.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ?????????? ??????????? Hmmmm .... now thats a good question. If it was posted in a language that a few people could read it might even get some responses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirill" To: Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: ?????????? ??????????? > > =D0=E5=E3=E8=F1=F2=F0=E0=F6=E8=FF =E2 30 = =D0=EE=F1=F1=E8=E9=F1=EA=E8=F5 =EF=EE=E8=F1=EA=EE=E2=FB=F5 = =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=E0=F5 =E8 =EA=E0=F2=E0=EB=EE=E3=E0=F5 - 30$. > > =D0=E5=E3=E8=F1=F2=F0=E0=F6=E8=FF =E2 20 = =EC=E5=E6=E4=F3=ED=E0=F0=EE=E4=ED=FB=F5 =EF=EE=E8=F1=EA=EE=E2=FB=F5 = =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=E0=F5 =E8 =EA=E0=F2=E0=EB=EE=E3=E0=F5 - 20$. > > =D0=E5=E3=E8=F1=F2=F0=E0=F6=E8=FF =F1=E0=E9=F2=E0 =E2 = =EF=EE=E8=F1=EA=EE=E2=FB=F5 =F1=E8=F1=F2=E5=EC=E0=F5 Rambler.ru, = Yandex.ru =E8 Aport.ru > =F1 =EF=EE=FF=E2=EB=E5=ED=E8=E5=EC =C2=E0=F8=E5=E3=EE =F1=E0=E9=F2=E0 = =ED=E0 =EF=E5=F0=E2=EE=E9 =F1=F2=F0=E0=ED=E8=F6=E5 =E7=E0=EF=F0=EE=F1=E0 = =EF=EE =C2=E0=F8=E8=EC =EA=EB=FE=F7=E5=E2=FB=EC =F1=EB=EE=E2=E0=EC - =E4=EE=E3=EE=E2=EE=F0=ED=E0=FF. > > =C5=F1=EB=E8 =F3 =E2=E0=F1 =ED=E5=F2 =E8=ED=F2=E5=F0=ED=E5=F2 = =EF=F0=E5=E4=F1=F2=E0=E2=E8=F2=E5=EB=FC=F1=F2=E2=E0 = =E2=EE=E7=EC=EE=E6=ED=EE =E8=E7=E3=EE=F2=EE=E2=EB=E5=ED=E8=E5 =F1=F2=F0=E0=ED=E8=F6=FB > =F1 =C2=E0=F8=E8=EC=E8 =EA=EE=EE=F0=E4=E8=ED=E0=F2=E0=EC=E8, = =EE=EF=E8=F1=E0=ED=E8=E5=EC =F3=F1=EB=F3=E3=E8 =E8=EB=E8 = =F2=EE=E2=E0=F0=E0, =EA=EE=F2=EE=F0=E0=FF =E1=F3=E4=E5=F2 =F0=E0=F1=EF=EE=EB=EE=E6=E5=ED=ED=E0 > =EF=EE =E0=E4=F0=E5=F1=F3 =E2=E0=F8=E5_=E8=EC=FF.narod.ru - 50$ > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 18: 4:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAAA37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:04:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA99590; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:04:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdy99588; Tue Mar 13 12:04:08 2001 Message-ID: <019501c0ab62$04c778a0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Steve" , , References: <55E857B71651F848A7852708268C9D161FC6@theloft.thedenn.com> Subject: Re: ?????????? ??????????? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:05:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ahhhhhhh ......you speaka da greek then :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: "Doug Young" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: RE: ?????????? ??????????? > I think he wants to give us money.;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:01 PM > To: rusegg@yahoo.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: ?????????? ??????????? > > > Hmmmm .... now thats a good question. If it was posted in a language > that > a few people could read it might even get some responses. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:56 AM > Subject: ?????????? ??????????? > > > > > > Регистрация в 30 Российских поисковых системах и каталогах - 30$. > > > > Регистрация в 20 международных поисковых системах и каталогах - 20$. > > > > Регистрация сайта в поисковых системах Rambler.ru, Yandex.ru и > Aport.ru > > с появлением Вашего сайта на первой странице запроса по Вашим ключевым > словам - договорная. > > > > Если у вас нет интернет представительства возможно изготовление > страницы > > с Вашими координатами, описанием услуги или товара, которая будет > расположенна > > по адресу ваше_имя.narod.ru - 50$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 12 21: 5:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from baboo.booboy.com (mail.booboy.com [208.218.138.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012CB37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slewe@booboy.com) Received: from localhost (slewe@localhost) by baboo.booboy.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2D20sU00366 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:00:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from slewe@booboy.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:00:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sung To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Random MOTD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know what the package is to get random MOTD? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 13 5:53:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85E937B723 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 05:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from liana_2010@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 05:52:30 -0800 Received: from 200.236.100.23 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:52:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.236.100.23] From: "Liana L Gomes de Vasquez Rivas" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Instalation... Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:52:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2001 13:52:30.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8B73940:01C0ABC4] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody! I'm new on Freebsd. Our server here has Freebsd 2.2.7. So, we decided to install an extra hard drive and start from scratch again. We are trying to download freebsd 4.2 Once we do that, can we burn a cd and try to install it on this new HD? Can we do it on DOS mode? Do I still have to make those boot disks?? Please give me as much hints as you can. I also printed out the whole FreeBSD Handbook, which I hope helps me out on this. Thank you for your help. Liana - the clueless _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 13 6:27: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.174.154.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B3637B71B for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krepel@fokus.gmd.de) Received: from fokus.gmd.de (quant [193.175.133.183]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00018; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:26:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3AAE2E32.702E06F1@fokus.gmd.de> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:26:58 +0100 From: Falco Krepel Organization: GMD FOKUS - CATS Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en, de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Liana L Gomes de Vasquez Rivas Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Instalation... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Liana, When you burn the CD with the ISO image, then you can boot from CD, but only when your server supports booting from CD. After booting the installation process starts. Follow the instructions. On the CD it is the INSTALL.TXT file with all important information for installing FreeBSD, also other installing procedures are explained (e.g. creating boot floppies). DOS isn't required to install FreeBSD. At this point it isn't easy to give you detailed installation instructions because it depends on many parameters. But when your server must be running during all the time, you must use another machine. Regards, Falco -- Falco Krepel Phone: +49-(0)30 - 34 63 - 7 276 GMD-FOKUS Fax: +49-(0)30 - 34 63 - 8 276 Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 e-mail: krepel@fokus.gmd.de 10589 Berlin WWW: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/krepel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 13 6:52: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fep04-svc.swip.net (fep04.swip.net [130.244.199.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A8337B724 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:52:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from waca@swipnet.se) Received: from swipnet.se ([130.244.216.59]) by fep04-svc.swip.net (InterMail vM.5.01.02.00 201-253-122-103-101-20001108) with ESMTP id <20010313145159.PSYB23254.fep04-svc.swip.net@swipnet.se>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:51:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3AAE34CD.CD9A9DBD@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:55:09 +0100 From: daniel Reply-To: waca@swipnet.se Organization: western and central asia buiseness X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Falco Krepel Cc: Liana L Gomes de Vasquez Rivas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Instalation... References: <3AAE2E32.702E06F1@fokus.gmd.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are going to download anyway ... any reason for not installing straight over ftp ? Daniel Falco Krepel wrote: > > Hi Liana, > > When you burn the CD with the ISO image, then you can boot from CD, but > only when your server supports booting from CD. After booting the > installation process starts. Follow the instructions. > > On the CD it is the INSTALL.TXT file with all important information for > installing FreeBSD, also other installing procedures are explained (e.g. > creating boot floppies). DOS isn't required to install FreeBSD. > > At this point it isn't easy to give you detailed installation > instructions because it depends on many parameters. > > But when your server must be running during all the time, you must use > another machine. > > Regards, > Falco > > -- > Falco Krepel Phone: +49-(0)30 - 34 63 - 7 276 > GMD-FOKUS Fax: +49-(0)30 - 34 63 - 8 276 > Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 e-mail: krepel@fokus.gmd.de > 10589 Berlin WWW: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/krepel > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 1:20:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f168.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D2537B719; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasonla_@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:20:08 -0800 Received: from 64.29.224.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:20:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.29.224.29] Reply-To: jasonla@pobox.com From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: X working with NV15 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:20:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2001 09:20:08.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6C94B50:01C0AC67] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a NV15 video card, and I have no clue how to get it to work correctly with X.... I tried using the NV10 driver in XFree 3.x, but it caused my card do to freak out. I looked and XFree 4.z only has support for NV10's... help? -- Jason La jasonla@pobox.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 6:32:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scan1.fhg.de (scan1.fhg.de [153.96.1.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A631737B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael.haertl@gmx.net) Received: from scan1.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scan1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2EEWUv05572; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:32:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from iis.fhg.de (iis.iis.fhg.de [153.96.172.2]) by scan1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2EEWT205568; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:32:29 +0100 (MET) Received: by iis.fhg.de with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:32:28 +0100 (MET) from sunserv02.iis.fhg.de Received: from gmx.net by sunserv02.iis.fhg.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26246; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:32:27 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3AAF8076.DB482AE@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:30:14 +0100 From: Michael Haertl Organization: private X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sung Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Random MOTD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sung wrote: > Anyone know what the package is to get random MOTD? > > Thanks! look for fortune michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 7:17:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.okb.lv (mail.okb.lv [195.114.34.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7FE37B719 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from monster@okb.lv) Received: from krypt.okb.lv ([58.2.2.40]) by mail.okb.lv with smtp MTA id 14dD4C-0007vC-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.Org; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:20:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:16:41 +0200 From: Denis J.Cirulis To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Software RAID under fbsd X-Mailer: stuphead version 0.5.02 (GTK+ 1.2.8; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE; i386) Organization: A/S Ogres KomercBanka Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello FreBSD ! Could please somebody tell me where to get good documentation on setting up a Software RAID0 on FreeBSD system and is this possible ? -- 4.4 Number of da beasties. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 11:17: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.eng.cstone.net (nomad.eng.cstone.net [209.145.66.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC55A37B71A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wer@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomad.eng.cstone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2EJErn22433; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:14:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AAFC32D.F4207802@cstone.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:14:53 -0500 From: "William E. Reid" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Denis J.Cirulis" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Software RAID under fbsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You would probably want to use vinum. It is possible and very easy. You can get a RAID0 up and running by reading "man vinum". -=Bill "Denis J.Cirulis" wrote: > Hello FreBSD ! > > Could please somebody tell me where to get good documentation on setting up a Software RAID0 on FreeBSD system and is this possible ? > -- > 4.4 Number of da beasties. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 14:23:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D736737B719 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neophyte13@mindspring.com) Received: from neophyte (user-38ldg1i.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.192.50]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31162 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:23:55 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "" To: Subject: Subscribe freebsd-questions Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:46:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subscribe freebsd-questions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 22: 8:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0EAF37B71E for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from educatee2001@yahoo.com) Received: from co3018900-a.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au (HELO co3018900a) (203.164.78.30) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 06:08:40 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <006301c0ad16$7d484d30$0100a8c0@co3018900a> From: "Educatee" To: Subject: How could I configure FTP? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:09:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How could I configure so that the administrator or root could ftp files into my FreeBSD 4.1? I got permission denay. thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 14 22: 9:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36DFE37B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from educatee2001@yahoo.com) Received: from co3018900-a.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au (HELO co3018900a) (203.164.78.30) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 06:09:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <006d01c0ad16$a1b31dd0$0100a8c0@co3018900a> From: "Educatee" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: How could I configure FTP to put file? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:10:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How could I configure so that the administrator or root could ftp files into my FreeBSD 4.1? I got permission denay. thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 5: 6:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AC5737B71C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from educatee2001@yahoo.com) Received: from co3018900-a.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au (HELO co3018900a) (203.164.78.30) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 13:06:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <000701c0ad50$e01511c0$0100a8c0@co3018900a> From: "Educatee" To: "FreebsdQuestion" , "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:07:22 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org when I boot up my FreeBSD4.1, I see this line, can you tell me what it means? and how to fix it. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- : My unqualified host name (fire) unknown; sleeping for retry Mar 15 16:05:33 fire sendmail[130]: unable to qualify my own domain name (fire) -- using short name ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 8:54:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8D437B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA08650; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:54:44 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d03.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d03.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.63]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA08512; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:54:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:52:26 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone point to a good tutorial? Yes, I've read man mail (for all the good it does). ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13: 7:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from theloft.thedenn.com (ool-18b955d9.dyn.optonline.net [24.185.85.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98E837B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephen@thedenn.com) Subject: Current vs. Release vs. Stable Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:04:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <55E857B71651F848A7852708268C9D161FCD@theloft.thedenn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Current vs. Release vs. Stable Thread-Index: AcCtk5Ll8WLeWluITgSFp0rrgEB79w== From: "Steve" To: "Freebsd-Newbies (E-mail)" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK. I've read a number of documents but it's just not sinking in. I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this issue for me. What is the difference between the current, release, and stable branches of any given version? thanx in advance. -steve //404b Brain Not Found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13:25:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5C337B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GA9CUX00.A2M; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:25:45 -0900 Message-ID: <3AB133D3.6CF4184F@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:47 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Current vs. Release vs. Stable References: <55E857B71651F848A7852708268C9D161FCD@theloft.thedenn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve wrote: > > OK. I've read a number of documents but it's just not sinking in. > I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this issue for me. > What is the difference between the current, release, and stable branches > of any given version? > > thanx in advance. > > -steve Current branch - development branch, newest features are developed and tested in this branch. Not necessarily stable and not intended for production use, except for testing purposes. The next major release number with significant new features will come from this branch eventually. stable branch - a branch that does not change feature wise very much at all, but gets bug fixes and occasionally new device drivers - stresses stability. Good for general use and production. There are actually stable branches for each major release branch (2.x, 3.x, 4.x). 3.x and 4.x are currently maintained. You can read the feature list for the x.0 release to differentiate major differences in the respective branches. release - a periodic "snapshot" of stable branch. The easiest way to track the stable branch is to start with the latest release. Releases are sold on CD and help to fund development. That's my newbie understanding of the branches, but I believe it's pretty accurate. If in doubt, post to freebsd-questions, there are more "experts" lurking there :) Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13:30:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6732D37B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from [129.250.38.56] (helo=dfw-corpmmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14dfJw-0001on-00; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:30:08 +0000 Received: from [204.1.38.26] (helo=yongdell) by dfw-corpmmp1.email.verio.net with smtp id 14dfJv-0007ca-00; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:30:08 +0000 From: "Yong Lim" To: "Steve" , "Freebsd-Newbies (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Current vs. Release vs. Stable Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:31:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <55E857B71651F848A7852708268C9D161FCD@theloft.thedenn.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Steve, I have read and re-read the subject quite a few times and let me see if this will help. Of course, reading more will help. As you know FreeBSD is at release 4.2 okay. There are changes going into the source as you read this. There are two places that the committers commit their codes; either current or stable branch. The current is the source code for release version 5.0 and stable is for release to 4.3. Basically, release is a snap shot of stable that they and you maybe have tested. The current is pretty exotic stuff while stable is...'stable' and release is just what you can get from CD at freebsdmall.com. You will see suggestions that after you get the CD and installed that you track the stable branch which would go to 4.3 release and you don't have to do another CD install. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:05 PM To: Freebsd-Newbies (E-mail) Subject: Current vs. Release vs. Stable OK. I've read a number of documents but it's just not sinking in. I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on this issue for me. What is the difference between the current, release, and stable branches of any given version? thanx in advance. -steve //404b Brain Not Found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13:32:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF2837B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:32:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA54601; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:32:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdT54599; Fri Mar 16 07:32:16 2001 Message-ID: <011e01c0ad97$7bf514a0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "ML Duke" , References: Subject: Re: mail Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:32:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Theres a bit of usable (explicit) info about configuring sendmail & cucipop in my Pedantic FreeBSD (http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd/ I'll need to update it shortly because there is at least one error (doesn't stop things working though) and the info only relates to situations with all public range IPs. I've had machines running with NAT / multiple IPs / combination of public / private IPs etc and also had imap running but those aren't covered at all. Unfortunately I haven't seen any other user-friendly explanations of sendmail configuration around at sites I frequent (like eg freebsddiary / bsdvault /mostgraveconcern etc.) If anyone is aware of any I'd appreciate being informed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ML Duke" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: mail > Can anyone point to a good tutorial? > Yes, I've read man mail (for all the good > it does). > > ML Duke > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13:37:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F3837B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.telford@sympatico.ca) Received: from johnny2k ([64.229.45.126]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010315213750.GGRE21254.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@johnny2k>; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c0ad98$62a1f7b0$7e2de540@johnny2k> From: "John Telford" To: "Doug Young" , "ML Duke" , References: <011e01c0ad97$7bf514a0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Re: mail Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Me too! > Unfortunately I haven't seen any other user-friendly explanations of > sendmail configuration around at sites I frequent (like eg > freebsddiary / bsdvault /mostgraveconcern etc.) If anyone is aware of > any I'd appreciate > being informed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 13:44: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF3937B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA54748; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:44:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdM54744; Fri Mar 16 07:44:01 2001 Message-ID: <014601c0ad99$1fb91a40$817e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "John Telford" , "ML Duke" , References: <011e01c0ad97$7bf514a0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> <000c01c0ad98$62a1f7b0$7e2de540@johnny2k> Subject: Re: mail Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:44:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe you guys would like give me some feedback about what could be improved in Pedantic FreeBSD .... prefer criticism from newbies rather than experts because they are the ones who use it !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Telford" To: "Doug Young" ; "ML Duke" ; Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:39 AM Subject: Re: mail > Me too! > > Unfortunately I haven't seen any other user-friendly explanations of > > sendmail configuration around at sites I frequent (like eg > > freebsddiary / bsdvault /mostgraveconcern etc.) If anyone is aware of > > any I'd appreciate > > being informed. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 15: 3: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3BAA37B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from educatee2001@yahoo.com) Received: from co3018900-a.belrs1.nsw.optushome.com.au (HELO co3018900a) (203.164.78.30) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2001 23:03:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003c01c0ada4$33a66ac0$0100a8c0@co3018900a> From: "Educatee" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: When I use pkg_add, where is this information recorded? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:03:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I install a software using pkg_add say ymessenger.tgz, where is this information recorded? When I use pkg_delete, it says the software is not install, but if I run pkg_add again, it says it's installed. Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 16:37:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C337B71A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA15807; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:37:45 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d41.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.101]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA19843; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:37:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:35:30 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mail In-Reply-To: <011e01c0ad97$7bf514a0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Doug Young wrote: Thanks, guys, but your answers didn't relate to my question, much [Grin]. sendmail is configured and working fine, though it's a bit of a mystery (to me, my Unix Mentor/AIX Systems Engineer has it all figured out -- I think) why "smtp.concentric.net" works for out- going mail in Pine, but does _not_ work in the DS macro, i.e., "DSsmtp.concentric.net" in /etc/sendmail.cf (I'm running 3.2). Instead, that entry had to be changed to "DSmailhub.concentric.net" in order to get _mail_, working from the _command line_. To be explicit, a mail "session" looks something like the following: %mail freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Hey, Guys! How do you get mail to send the same letter to ten people listed in a file? Thanks. Duke . EOT %The message above is on it's way, and mail has returned me to the command line. Mail has a lot of capability, but I'm going a little nuts trying to figure out how to use some of the more useful features of it. Thanks. (And I will be having a look at that web site, shortly.) Duke > Theres a bit of usable (explicit) info about configuring sendmail & > cucipop in my Pedantic FreeBSD (http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd/ > I'll need to update it shortly because there is at least one error > (doesn't stop things working though) and the info only relates > to situations with all public range IPs. I've had machines running > with NAT / multiple IPs / combination of public / private IPs etc > and also had imap running but those aren't covered at all. > > Unfortunately I haven't seen any other user-friendly explanations of > sendmail configuration around at sites I frequent (like eg > freebsddiary / bsdvault /mostgraveconcern etc.) If anyone is aware of > any I'd appreciate > being informed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ML Duke" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:52 AM > Subject: mail > > > > Can anyone point to a good tutorial? > > Yes, I've read man mail (for all the good > > it does). > > > > ML Duke > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 16:43:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0082137B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA13476; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:43:48 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d41.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.101]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA20207; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:43:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:41:34 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd In-Reply-To: <011e01c0ad97$7bf514a0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't seem to get there from here. Tried Lynx and Netscape, both. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 20:44: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BCF37B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from treznor@sunflower.com) Received: from treznor (dv016s59.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.59.16]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01683; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:43:27 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c0add2$d90cb540$103b7c18@palisor.yi.org> From: "Tyler K McGeorge" To: "Educatee" , "FreeBSD Newbies" References: <003c01c0ada4$33a66ac0$0100a8c0@co3018900a> Subject: Re: When I use pkg_add, where is this information recorded? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:37:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org pkg_info(1) A good idea is to look for the "SEE ALSO" in the man pages for related items. ----- Original Message ----- From: Educatee To: FreeBSD Newbies Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: When I use pkg_add, where is this information recorded? | When I install a software using pkg_add say ymessenger.tgz, where is this | information recorded? When I use pkg_delete, it says the software is not | install, but if I run pkg_add again, it says it's installed. | | Thanks. | | | _________________________________________________________ | Do You Yahoo!? | Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 15 22:52:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from troll.apana.org.au (troll.apana.org.au [203.3.126.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DE937B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner (bryden.apana.org.au [203.3.126.129]) by troll.apana.org.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2G6qGB06442; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:52:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Message-ID: <027601c0ade5$cb2094c0$817e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "ML Duke" Cc: References: Subject: Re: troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:49:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd/ gotta have the trailing "/" ----- Original Message ----- From: "ML Duke" To: "Doug Young" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd > I can't seem to get there from here. > > Tried Lynx and Netscape, both. > > Duke > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 16 8:19:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vulture.cnd.gatech.edu (vulture.cnd.gatech.edu [199.77.147.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5CF37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlee@cnd.gatech.edu) Received: from thor (thor.cnd.gatech.edu [199.77.147.56]) by vulture.cnd.gatech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16183 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c001c0ae35$22a03bc0$38934dc7@cnd.gatech.edu> From: "Jeff Lee" To: Subject: samba Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:21:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could anyone instruct me or point me to the documentation on how to get samba sharing running on my 4.3-beta PC? 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Company name: __________________________________________ Contact name: __________________________________________ Phone: _________________________________________________ Fax: ___________________________________________________ Mailing Address:________________________________________ City, Zip, State:_______________________________________ Country:________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 16 17:35:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F9C37B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA55695 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:30:15 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:30:15 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200103170130.MAA55695@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 17 3:24:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E97C37B71D for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sphinX@euromedia.ro) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48847E6A for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E619D3ECC; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:24:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: sphin X To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: ide programming resourses Reply-To: sphinX@euromedia.ro X-Originating-Ip: [212.120.197.104] Message-Id: <20010317112423.E619D3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, this is my first post here. i've just installed freebsd (not complete yet) and trying to find my way around. from what i gathered so far most people use freebsd for networking etc. i'm planning to use it as a desktop - workstation and would like to make apps for it... is there anyone here coming from ms-win background that has programed in visual studio or any borland visual env? are there any corresponding ide-visual programming tools for freebsd and if so could u give me some pointers? thanx in advance...not sure if this post is for here, but i get the feeling that if i talk about visual stuff in a bsd development list, i'd probably get seriously flamed... _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> http://www.everyone.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 17 9: 1:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (mail2.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7777E37B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neurosys@bellsouth.net) Received: from neurowin1 (adsl-80-1-243.mia.bellsouth.net [65.80.1.243]) by mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id MAA26941 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:01:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c0af03$f55f4c80$0100a8c0@neurosys.com> From: "Neurosys" To: References: <20010317112423.E619D3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: The ports mailing list... Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:01:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do i sign up for the ports mailing list?? Neurosys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 17 11:35:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904CD37B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@vivdev.com) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dhcp043-10-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.10.43]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23653 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: lists@vivdev.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c0af03$f55f4c80$0100a8c0@neurosys.com> References: <20010317112423.E619D3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:34:21 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: lists Subject: Re: The ports mailing list... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org for a list of lists send email to Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG with the term << lists >> in the body of the message. to your question, freebsd-ports Porting software to FreeBSD send email to Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG with the term << subscribe freebsd-ports >> in the body and majordomo should guide you from there. lemme know if this fails/works i'm not the admin, btw >How do i sign up for the ports mailing list?? > >Neurosys > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 17 23:17:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from baku.host4u.net (baku.host4u.net [216.71.64.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C8737B71A for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsddiary@baku.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by baku.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00378; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:07:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:07:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200103180707.BAA00378@baku.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-02-25 - 2001-03-17 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 13-Mar : new ipfilter option is really cool! shows the state table like top show the process table http://freebsddiary.org/ifstat-t.html?2 10-Mar : Creating an NTP server with a cheap clock Not really useful outside Europe http://freebsddiary.org/dcf77.html?2 2-Mar : BSDSearch spam followup some of the reaction from BSDSearch http://freebsddiary.org/bsdsearch-2.html?2 28-Feb : Which BSD site is sending out spam? Did you get spam from a BSD site today? http://freebsddiary.org/bsdsearch.html?2 27-Feb : NFS Portmap: RPC: Program not registered - a solution After several months, a solution which works http://freebsddiary.org/nfs-portmap.html?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message