From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 29 17:58:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hub.itb.ac.id (mx1.itb.ac.id [202.249.47.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF9EF37B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from myusuf@powerlearn.ee.itb.ac.id) Received: (qmail 19989 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 00:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO powerlearn.ee.itb.ac.id) (167.205.50.138) by mx1.itb.ac.id with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 00:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 59673 invoked by uid 1116); 30 Apr 2001 00:55:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 00:55:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:55:41 +0700 (JAVT) From: Muhammad Yusuf To: Chris Phillips Cc: FreeBSD Newbies , FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Any mail server software that could run on FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I heard (and read off course) that qmail is better than sendmail, is that right????? tia. regards, myusuf. -------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chris Phillips wrote: > sendmail, pre-installed, recommended > qmail > exim > postfix > > -Chris Phillips > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 29 23:11:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web3306.mail.yahoo.com (web3306.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.201.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B111037B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith_proffitt@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010430061116.24936.qmail@web3306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.161.80.120] by web3306.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:16 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: KP Subject: Install problems (DFE-530TX+, fd0, config> di fe0, and more. To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First, I want to thank the people that respond to my call for help. Thank you. Keith Proffitt keith_proffitt@yahoo.com -------- My system is: OS = FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0 HD = 3052MB [11024/9/63] CPU = Pentium/P54C (199.43-MHz 586-class CPU) Memory = 64MB Videocard = Diamond’s Stealth III S540 NIC = DLink DFE-530TX+ (I have read people saying rl is the driver for this.) CDROM = Mitsumi CRMC-FX820S Mouse = PS/2 (logitec wheel mouse) Soundcard = Opti soundcard. No SCSI or USB device --------- I am extremely new to any *NIX OS (brought up on MS). I need to know how to config the kernal to see (identify) the DLink DFE-530TX+ NIC and load the proper device driver (rl ???). My attempts have been to re-install the OS several times, modify the rc.conf file, and compile a cutomized kernel. All have failed and caused other problems. Below is the dmesg output, messages log, and kernel configuration file. Again, thanks for any help. ------------- DMESG ------------- Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Sun Apr 29 14:47:49 PDT 2001 root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/YHVH Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (199.43-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) config> di sn0 config> di lnc0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 No such device: fe0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ed0 No such device: ed0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di cs0 config> q avail memory = 62513152 (61048K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02d9000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02d909c. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug md0: Malloc disk npx0:

on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: on motherboard
pci0: on pcib0
isab0: at device 7.0
on pci0
isa0: on isab0
atapci0: port
0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
pci0: (vendor=0x1186, dev=0x1300) at
17.0 irq 10
pci0: at 18.0 irq 11
fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7
irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: at port
0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0
vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem
0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 8250
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on
isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
plip0: on ppbus0
lpt0: on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: on ppbus0
ad0: 3052MB [11024/9/63] at
ata0-master WDMA2
acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave using PIO3
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
cd9660: RockRidge Extension
fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 0 of 0-3 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 7 of 7-9 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 16 of 16-18 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 19 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 2127 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 2127 (No status)
fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 2127 (No status)

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messages log
-------------
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The
FreeBSD Project.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980,
1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: The Regents of the
University of California. All rights reserved.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Sun
Apr 29 14:47:49 PDT 2001
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel:
root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/YHVH
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Timecounter "i8254" 
frequency 1193182 Hz
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: CPU: Pentium/P54C
(199.43-MHz 586-class CPU)
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id
= 0x52c  Stepping = 12
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel:
Features=0x1bf Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: real memory  = 67108864
(65536K bytes)
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di sn0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di lnc0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di ie0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di fe0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: No such device: fe0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Invalid command or syntax. 
Type `?' for help.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di ed0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: No such device: ed0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Invalid command or syntax. 
Type `?' for help.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> di cs0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: config> q
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: avail memory = 62513152
(61048K bytes)
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Preloaded elf kernel
"kernel" at 0xc02d9000.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Preloaded userconfig_script
"/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02d909c.
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Intel Pentium detected,
installing workaround for F00F bug
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: md0: Malloc disk
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: npx0: on
motherboard
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: pcib0: on motherboard
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: pci0: on pcib0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: isa0: on isab0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on
atapci0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: pci0: (vendor=0x1186, dev=0x1300) at 17.0 irq 10
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: pci0: at 18.0 irq 11
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes
threshold
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on
fdc0 drive 0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: atkbd0: flags
0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: kbd0 at atkbd0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: psm0: irq 12 on
atkbdc0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: psm0: model MouseMan+,
device ID 0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: vga0: at
port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sc0: at
flags 0x100 on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sc0: VGA <16 virtual
consoles, flags=0x300>
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sio0: configured irq 4 not
in bitmap of probed irqs 0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq
4 flags 0x10 on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sio0: type 8250
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: sio1: configured irq 3 not
in bitmap of probed irqs 0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: ppc0: at
port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: ppc0: Generic chipset
(NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: plip0: on ppbus0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: lpt0: on ppbus0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: ppi0: on
ppbus0
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: ad0: 3052MB [11024/9/63] at ata0-master WDMA2
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: acd0: CDROM at
ata0-slave using PIO3
Apr 29 16:23:38  /kernel: Mounting root from
ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
Apr 29 16:27:55  login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0
Apr 29 19:55:34  reboot: rebooted by root
Apr 29 19:55:35  syslogd: exiting on signal 15
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The
FreeBSD Project.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980,
1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: The Regents of the
University of California. All rights reserved.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Sun
Apr 29 14:47:49 PDT 2001
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel:
root@:/usr/src/sys/compile/YHVH
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Timecounter "i8254" 
frequency 1193182 Hz
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: CPU: Pentium/P54C
(199.43-MHz 586-class CPU)
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id
= 0x52c  Stepping = 12
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel:
Features=0x1bf Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: real memory  = 67108864
(65536K bytes)
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di sn0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di lnc0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di ie0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di fe0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: No such device: fe0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Invalid command or syntax. 
Type `?' for help.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di ed0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: No such device: ed0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Invalid command or syntax. 
Type `?' for help.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> di cs0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: config> q
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: avail memory = 62513152
(61048K bytes)
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Preloaded elf kernel
"kernel" at 0xc02d9000.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Preloaded userconfig_script
"/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02d909c.
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: Intel Pentium detected,
installing workaround for F00F bug
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: md0: Malloc disk
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: npx0: on
motherboard
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: pcib0: on motherboard
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: pci0: on pcib0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: isa0: on isab0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on
atapci0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: pci0: (vendor=0x1186, dev=0x1300) at 17.0 irq 10
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: pci0: at 18.0 irq 11
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes
threshold
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on
fdc0 drive 0
Apr 29 19:57:32  /kernel: atkbdc0:

I am running freebsd 4.2 and still very much a newbe to this whole = thing=20 .

I am running kde 2.0

In the k menu I have at least 4 of every Dir. and 4 of every file. =

An example is ... 4 find files 4 home Dir. only 1 games 1 office.. if = you go=20 to the sub nav you get 4 of every thing but just for fun there is the = random=20 file or app with only 1 entry with no real difference that I can=20 discover.

So do I reinstall or is there a file some where that I am not = finding. All of=20 my resident UNIX guru=92s have not been able to help on this one.

Thanx in advance

Dan

AKA Walt Dezne

------=_NextPart_000_014C_01C0D2DC.CB84F3E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 2 7:36:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f70.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBDD37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevsurf7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:36:31 -0700 Received: from 207.104.236.34 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2001 14:36:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.104.236.34] From: "K Old" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Chilisoft on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:36:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2001 14:36:31.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[47958890:01C0D315] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a need for Chilisoft ASP on a FreeBSD box. Unfortunately, Chilisoft is only on Solaris, Linux, HP-UX and AIX. I was thinking that I might be able to use the closest install, maybe Linux. I was wondering if this would get me by for the time being? Any thoughts, suggestions? Does anyone else have it running on FreeBSD? Thanks, Kevin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 2 10:22:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD4737B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2BCB; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:27:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF04231.257FF095@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:21:53 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: postmaster Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: duplicate kde menu icons/files References: <014f01c0d306$b4a74720$0b00a8c0@walt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > postmaster wrote: > > I am running freebsd 4.2 and still very much a newbe to this whole > thing . > > I am running kde 2.0 > > In the k menu I have at least 4 of every Dir. and 4 of every file. Two possibilities as to the cause" 1) a bug in kappfinder that creates duplicates under ~/.kde/share/applnk every time you run it. 2) you installed KDE multiple times, each time failing to uninstall the original. I'm guessing the first. Try subscribing to the approriate kde mailing list (at www.kde.org). david To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 2 11:40: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from legba.tvnet.hu (legba.tvnet.hu [195.38.96.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8FB37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keppler@satimex.tvnet.hu) Received: from satimex.tvnet.hu (marvin.satimex.tvnet.hu [195.38.110.197]) by legba.tvnet.hu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28181 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:40:03 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3AF05517.272EECD0@satimex.tvnet.hu> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:42:32 +0200 From: Keppler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: printing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! 1., I'm using apsfilter to print out dvi files in an Epson FX 1050 dot matrix printer. If the printer needs the next sheet of paper, the whole system seems to freeze. I can not use the X environment, or swich into an other virtual terminal while I don't give that paper for my printer. The printed output is fine, and the system goes well after the end of the printing process, but theese freezing makes me nervous. 2., Yesterday I mounted a read only floppy, and copied some files into my home directory. After the copy the system said two times, that "he" cannot write something into my floppy (note: the floppy was read only) and then the whole system crashed. Any ideas? Thanks, Istvan from Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 3: 0:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from excusma003.corp.wang.com (fwus1.us.getronics.com [192.84.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB9637B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 03:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Richard.Noel@getronics.com) Received: by excusma003.corp.wang.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <81D533F949E2CF1194FB00805FD4CBB702EAB39D@res02-wnt248.corp.wang.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22No=EBl=2C_Richard=22?= To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Broken link ... Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:00:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, The link ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ on http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html is broken. Thanks, Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 3:13:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from excusma003.corp.wang.com (fwus1.us.getronics.com [192.84.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1298F37B440 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 03:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Richard.Noel@getronics.com) Received: by excusma003.corp.wang.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <81D533F949E2CF1194FB00805FD4CBB702EAB39E@res02-wnt248.corp.wang.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22No=EBl=2C_Richard=22?= To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: RE: Broken link ... Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:13:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org P.S. I was trying to locate a zipped version of the FreeBSD man pages = that we can install on our Nokia firewall. > -----Original Message----- > From: No=EBl, Richard =20 > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:01 AM > To: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org' > Subject: Broken link ... >=20 > Hello, > The link ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ on > http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html is broken. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Richard >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 6:47: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de (mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de [130.183.70.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C051B37B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sutter@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de) Received: from robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de (robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de [130.183.136.59]) by mpehp1.mpe-garching.mpg.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21876 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:46:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de (localhost.mpe-garching.mpg.de [127.0.0.1]) by robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f43DlES30960 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:47:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sutter@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de) Message-Id: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> Reply-To: robert@mpe.mpg.de To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:47:14 +0200 From: Robert Suetterlin Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I found out two weeks ago, that one has to switch on soft-updates for ffs manually. I was wondring how many newbies know about this fact, how many of us have done it, how we found out and if there are other tuning facts we should care for. If the above is total gibberish to you, please do the following. Type the command 'mount' on your shell and see if any of your mounted filesystems has 'soft-updates' in the parantheses. If this is not the case, and Your kernel has FFS (look in /sys//conf/GENERIC), please read 'man tunefs' the option to look for is '-n enable'. Also look into /usr/share/doc/smm (I guess that is 'System Manager Manual') under 05.fastfs is more information on the fast filesystem and soft updates. Why You should bother? Have You ever tried to delete a large directory structure, like /usr/ports ? Have You ever wondered why this takes half an hour or longer? Well I did, but I thought I had to live with it ... or change to another OS with a quicker Filesystem. Don't chang OS ... switch on softupdates. Have any of You found other tuning parameters that increased the speed of their machine by an order of magnitude? If so, please tell me, or tell me where to read about it. Sincerely, Robert S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 9:38:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (ancmail1.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1882437B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.115]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GCRQ8100.30N; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3AF18949.9F14549C@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:37:29 -0800 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@mpe.mpg.de, freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Survey on tuning facts. References: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Suetterlin wrote: > I was wondring how many newbies know about this fact, how many of us have done it, how we found out and if there are other tuning facts we should care for. I for one knew, from lurking in freebsd-questions, the OpenBSD FAQ, the FreeBSD manual. These are places I can remember reading about it. It has usually been in the faqs under "Why doesn't *bsd use async mounts (like linux does)?" I was newbie enough not to know what async mounts are or to have run into a noticeable difference until I read through the faqs. I'm not sure about any other tuning tips for newbies. I imagine that the O'Reilly book on the subject might apply to freebsd though. I think that the OpenBSD faq has a section on tuning, but I don't think they're all that newbie oriented, even though their FAQ is well written. As far as that magnitude of improvement, I'm still unaware of any, even after extensive reading. > Have any of You found other tuning parameters that increased the speed of their machine by an order of magnitude? If so, please tell me, or tell me where to read about it. > Sincerely, > > Robert S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 10:21:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D2937B43C for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p50.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.50]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA198828; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:21:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00274; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:20:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:20:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: robert@mpe.mpg.de Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Survey on tuning facts. In-Reply-To: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If the above is total gibberish to you, please do the following. > Type the command > 'mount' on your shell and see if any of your mounted > filesystems has 'soft-updates' in the parantheses. Thanks for the suggestion. I have the option in MYKERNEL, so I did this tunefs -n enable /dev/da0etc in single user mode. But now I donbt see anything in parentheses with "mount". But async 55 or something instead of 1 or 2. Maybe this is how it looks in 4.0. Are there any contra arguments against soft updates ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 11:29:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fep03-svc.mail.telepac.pt (fep03-svc.mail.telepac.pt [194.65.5.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0402F37B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@angra.uac.pt) Received: from david ([212.55.170.172]) by fep03-svc.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010503183713.GHPN19807.fep03-svc.mail.telepac.pt@david> for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:37:13 +0100 From: david Reply-To: david@angra.uac.pt To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: hex versus binary Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:23:13 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050318282500.00520@david> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'm a newbie in the world of C programming. I don't know to to address my C programming questions. Here goes my question: When i'm writing my library "konst.h" and I want do define a number in hexadecimal mode, I put: #define CSQ 0x00000010 what do I write when I want to define a number but in binary mode? 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Thank You for your time and consideration, Tony Grijalva 702.951.3051 tonyg@codernet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 11:57: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D302D37B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAAAA; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:02:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF1A9FC.42BA58F0@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:57:00 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david@angra.uac.pt Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: hex versus binary References: <01050318282500.00520@david> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org david wrote: > > Hello! > I'm a newbie in the world of C programming. > I don't know to to address my C programming questions. Here goes my question: Why in the world are you asking the freebsd-newbies list questions on C programming? Am I missing something? Has the list charter radically changed since the last time I looked? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 16: 9:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BEF37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05317; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma004950; Thu, 3 May 01 18:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3AF1E4D5.8783EBFE@confusion.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:08:05 -0500 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?No=EBl?=@hecky.it.northwestern.edu, Richard Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Broken link ... References: <81D533F949E2CF1194FB00805FD4CBB702EAB39E@res02-wnt248.corp.wang.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp.freebsd.org aka ftp.freesoftware.com is down due to some complicated issues. See Jordan's recent post to -announce for details. For now, try a mirror instead. L: "Noël, Richard" wrote: > > P.S. I was trying to locate a zipped version of the FreeBSD man pages that > we can install on our Nokia firewall. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Noël, Richard > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:01 AM > > To: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org' > > Subject: Broken link ... > > > > Hello, > > The link ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ on > > http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html is broken. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Richard > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 3 22:35:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894E337B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 22:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f445ZTk02367; Thu, 3 May 2001 22:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Subject: RE: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c0d45c$07603840$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sadly, the art of tuning UNIX systems is rapidly disappearing because for one thing so many of the kernel parameters today are self-tuning, but the biggest reason is that it's easier to throw money at bigger hardware than to tune the system. Still, the sync/async/softupdates thing is still very serious and anyone managing a FreeBSD server needs to know about it. Beyond that, if your doing some unusual things on your server you do need to go off the defaults. For example, on our Usenet news server, which handles many itty-bitty files, I've created the spools with a smaller frag size and smaller number of bytes per inode because you need all those extra inodes on a newsspool (but, it makes the disks run slower so don't ever do this on anything other than a newsserver) Also, for another example, on a major BGP router with close to 100K routes in it I had to raise NMBCLUSTERS and VM_KMEM_SIZE as well as MAXUSERS. But, beyond these things your going to get better tuning results by good hardware selection, (espically disks) and by recompiling your kernel to remove unneeded drivers. If your doing normal things on your server the defaults will probably serve you best. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert Suetterlin >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:47 AM >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Survey on tuning facts. > > >Howdy, > > I found out two weeks ago, that one has to switch on >soft-updates for ffs manually. > >I was wondring how many newbies know about this fact, how many of >us have done it, how we found out and if there are other tuning >facts we should care for. > >If the above is total gibberish to you, please do the following. >Type the command 'mount' on your shell and see if any of your >mounted filesystems has 'soft-updates' in the parantheses. > If this is not the case, and Your kernel has FFS (look in >/sys//conf/GENERIC), please read 'man tunefs' the >option to look for is '-n enable'. Also look into >/usr/share/doc/smm (I guess that is 'System Manager Manual') under >05.fastfs is more information on the fast filesystem and soft updates. > >Why You should bother? Have You ever tried to delete a large >directory structure, like /usr/ports ? Have You ever wondered why >this takes half an hour or longer? Well I did, but I thought I >had to live with it ... or change to another OS with a quicker >Filesystem. Don't chang OS ... switch on softupdates. > > >Have any of You found other tuning parameters that increased the >speed of their machine by an order of magnitude? If so, please >tell me, or tell me where to read about it. > > >Sincerely, > > Robert S. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 0: 8:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cassini.dc.kau.se (cassini.dc.kau.se [193.10.220.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC9037B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 00:08:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgen.sigvardsson@kau.se) Received: from munin.dc.kau.se (not verified[193.10.220.94]) by cassini.dc.kau.se with MailMarshal (4,0,7,0) id ; Fri, 04 May 2001 09:08:30 +200 Received: from js-pc (js-pc.cs.kau.se [193.10.222.81]) by munin.dc.kau.se (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA08093 for ; Fri, 04 May 2001 09:08:28 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rgen=20Sigvardsson?= Organization: University of Karlstad To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:18:56 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> In-Reply-To: <200105031347.f43DlES30960@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> X-Linux-User: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0105041018560S.15338@js-pc> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 03 May 2001 15:47, Robert Suetterlin wrote: > Howdy, > > I found out two weeks ago, that one has to switch on soft-updates for ffs > manually. [snip] I found that option as well. If I would not have found it when I did, I would have uninstalled FreeBSD 2 hours later. Without soft updates, it's shit slow. SCSI/IDE/whatever. Why is it not on by default? Maybe I'm not getting the point, but eventhough you *should* be aware of these things as a UNIX/BSD admin, it would be a nice gesture since just building a new kernel with the option turned on, would be sooo much faster. - -- Jörgen Sigvardsson, B. Sc. Lecturer, Computer Science Dept. Karlstad University Tel: +46-(0)54-700 1786 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68mXwJtcD8rikkmwRAgkQAJ98Yb1QIF42uoeNMz23pyic7NzaFQCfXmSf 7oSQ6jW6SeHRiFR65v7eA7I= =brUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:11: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D993937B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f449B3k03186; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Sigvardsson?=" , Subject: RE: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 02:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c0d47a$24b7d560$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <0105041018560S.15338@js-pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jörgen >Sigvardsson > >I found that option as well. If I would not have found it when I >did, I would >have uninstalled FreeBSD 2 hours later. Without soft updates, it's >shit slow. >SCSI/IDE/whatever. > >Why is it not on by default? Because it's new. >Maybe I'm not getting the point The point of BSD has always been rock-solid reliability. If you want feature-o-the-day then you use Linux. Soft Updates is only a year or so old, it's not got the mileage on it yet to be switched on by default. The fact that nobody has reported problems yet with it is a good sign but its a pretty fundamental feature to introduce, so the mantra is to introduce these new features very gradually. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:25:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2516837B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p29.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.29]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA88688; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:25:39 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00345; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:55:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:55:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rgen=20Sigvardsson?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Survey on tuning facts. In-Reply-To: <0105041018560S.15338@js-pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Fri, 4 May 2001, J=F6rgen Sigvardsson wrote: > I found that option as well. If I would not have found it when I did, I w= ould=20 > have uninstalled FreeBSD 2 hours later. Without soft updates, it's shit s= low.=20 > SCSI/IDE/whatever.=20 Depends on what you are doing. For me it is mostly a very reliable desktop with everything I want for network experiments etc. And IMHO it is simpler than Linux. The handbook etc. Best, H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:25:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C41037B440 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p29.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.29]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA88690; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:25:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00355; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:02:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:02:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Survey on tuning facts./inodes In-Reply-To: <001801c0d45c$07603840$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, well, I have a "question". On Thu, 3 May 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > you do need to go off the defaults. For example, on our > Usenet news server, which handles many itty-bitty files, I've > created the spools with a smaller frag size and smaller number of > bytes per inode because you need all those extra inodes on a > newsspool (but, it makes the disks run slower so don't ever do > this on anything other than a newsserver) Also, for another Here is leafnode on /var, and some times ago, I lost some mails with the message "no inodes anymore", when fetching mails with fetchmail. texpire, ok. But how could I have prevented this from happening, how do I get more inodes on /var ? Hope it is "newbie" enough to be asked here. The danger to ask questions on newbies and get answers by newbies, well, maybe not in this case ;-) Thanks, H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:38:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cassini.dc.kau.se (cassini.dc.kau.se [193.10.220.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC7F37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgen.sigvardsson@kau.se) Received: from munin.dc.kau.se (not verified[193.10.220.94]) by cassini.dc.kau.se with MailMarshal (4,0,7,0) id ; Fri, 04 May 2001 11:38:23 +200 Received: from js-pc (js-pc.cs.kau.se [193.10.222.81]) by munin.dc.kau.se (2.5 Build 2626 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA09839 for ; Fri, 04 May 2001 11:38:22 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rgen=20Sigvardsson?= Organization: University of Karlstad To: Subject: Re: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:48:50 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <003601c0d47a$24b7d560$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <003601c0d47a$24b7d560$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> X-Linux-User: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0105041248500T.15338@js-pc> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 04 May 2001 11:11, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >Why is it not on by default? > > Because it's new. > > >Maybe I'm not getting the point > > The point of BSD has always been rock-solid reliability. If you want > feature-o-the-day then you use Linux. Soft Updates is only a year or so > old, it's not got the mileage on it yet to be switched on by default. Ok, fair enough. Out of curiousity: what is the required mileage for features to be considered rock-solid? - -- Jörgen Sigvardsson, B. Sc. Lecturer, Computer Science Dept. Karlstad University Tel: +46-(0)54-700 1786 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68okTJtcD8rikkmwRAjjrAJsED/wTDMI2n3cfdlktmDFB7GgMZwCfV0U8 YxZPStIPXZu7T12KsAbEvdU= =9i6l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:54:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6BF37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f449snk03306; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Sigvardsson?=" , Subject: RE: Survey on tuning facts. Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 02:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: <003701c0d480$42313f40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <0105041248500T.15338@js-pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jörgen >Sigvardsson > >Out of curiousity: what is the required mileage for features to be >considered >rock-solid? > I don't think there's a hard and fast rule, I think though that a lot depends on how invasive the new feature is. People typically don't like new things that deal with the filesystem, and FreeBSD just went to CAM not too long ago, which upset a lot of people (particularly when favorite drivers broke under it) I suspect that they are taking this particular feature more slowly than usual. Certainly, if Soft Updates had been introduced back in the 2.0.X days it probably would have gone in without comment. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 2:57:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E029537B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f449vFk03323; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" Cc: Subject: RE: Survey on tuning facts./inodes Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 02:57:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c0d480$9924c4c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Heiko Recktenwald [mailto:uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de] > >Here is leafnode on /var, and some times ago, I lost some mails >with the message "no inodes anymore", when fetching mails with fetchmail. >texpire, ok. But how could I have prevented this from happening, how do I >get more inodes on /var ? > You can modify the number of inodes with the -i flag to newfs, by increasing the density you increase the inode count. A lot of other things get changed too so read all of the options. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 8:37: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from envoy.cythereinc.com (6321146195.cythereinc.com [63.211.46.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93C837B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg.diamond@nurunnewyork.com) Received: by 6321146195.cythereinc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:36:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1116383010B7D31182A900508B8B8605B01536@6321146195.cythereinc.com> From: Greg Diamond To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: FreeBSD gateway - what am i missing? Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:36:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to set up a FreeBSD box to act as a gateway (+ firewall/nat) I set up a box with 2 nic cards: rl0: IP 111.222.33.44 netmask 255.255.255.0 #public ip (static) - connected to DSL Modem dc0: IP 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 #internal ip - connected out to hub gateway_enabled="yes" default_router 111.222.33.1 #my isp assigned gateway i re-compiled the kernel to include options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT i connected my NT Server to the hub and assigned it IP 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway 192.168.1.1 i edited the `hosts` files on both my FreeBSD and NT machines also edited my desktop firewall on my NT box to allow local traffic i figured at this point i should be able to at least have my machines ping each other, but to no avail NT to FreeBSD --> request time out FreeBSD to NT --> `Permission Denied` i tried adding to no avail: route add -net 192.168.1.1/16 -interface dc0 and tried running the routed which just storms me with permission denied i have netstart run at boot time from the rc.local script what step am i missing? is there other info of my setup/config i need to post? i'm rather new to unix, and using FreeBSD as my learning box instead of a Linux distro. I've have pretty good luck so far the past few weeks with it, setting up x/kde/apache/mysql/php as a server/workstation with success.. been pretty happy as a newbie so far ;-) but stumped with this issue ;-( any help, or maybe a link to a good newbie walk thru for this setup.. i've been searching and hacking at it for a while without success. thanx Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 9:15:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85BC437B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tperlin@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010504161521.1438.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.200.148.220] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 May 2001 09:15:21 PDT Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Erlin Subject: Re: FreeBSD gateway - what am i missing? To: Greg Diamond , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" In-Reply-To: <1116383010B7D31182A900508B8B8605B01536@6321146195.cythereinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're missing NAT. Go to http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ and check the "setting up a dual-homed host" link. That's where I got most of the info below: Add to /etc/rc.conf firewall_enable="YES" firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall" firewall_type="open" firewall_quiet="YES" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="ep0" natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" Create /etc/natd.conf with use_sockets yes That should help. Once you get that running, you should be able to do 'ipfw list' to see firewall rules and 'top' should show natd running. Then ask questions on -questions. You're likely to get a better response. --Tim --- Greg Diamond wrote: > I am trying to set up a FreeBSD box to act as a > gateway (+ firewall/nat) > > I set up a box with 2 nic cards: > rl0: IP 111.222.33.44 netmask 255.255.255.0 > #public ip (static) - > connected to DSL Modem > dc0: IP 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > #internal ip - connected out > to hub > gateway_enabled="yes" > default_router 111.222.33.1 #my isp assigned > gateway > > i re-compiled the kernel to include > options IPFIREWALL > options IPDIVERT > > i connected my NT Server to the hub and assigned it > IP 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway > 192.168.1.1 > > i edited the `hosts` files on both my FreeBSD and NT > machines > also edited my desktop firewall on my NT box to > allow local traffic > > i figured at this point i should be able to at least > have my machines ping > each other, but to no avail > NT to FreeBSD --> request time out > FreeBSD to NT --> `Permission Denied` > > i tried adding to no avail: > route add -net 192.168.1.1/16 -interface dc0 > and tried running the routed which just storms me > with permission denied > i have netstart run at boot time from the rc.local > script > > what step am i missing? is there other info of my > setup/config i need to > post? > i'm rather new to unix, and using FreeBSD as my > learning box instead of a > Linux distro. > I've have pretty good luck so far the past few weeks > with it, setting up > x/kde/apache/mysql/php as a server/workstation with > success.. been pretty > happy as a newbie so far ;-) but stumped with this > issue ;-( > any help, or maybe a link to a good newbie walk thru > for this setup.. i've > been searching and hacking at it for a while without > success. > > thanx > Greg > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 12: 1:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from courier.netrail.net (courier.netrail.net [205.215.10.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E7F37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cschreiber@netrail.net) Received: from cschriaber (localhost.netrail.net [127.0.0.1]) by courier.netrail.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F229FC; Fri, 4 May 2001 15:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Christian S." To: "Tim Erlin" , "Greg Diamond" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD gateway - what am i missing? Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010504161521.1438.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You may wish to try (After doing that) "ipfw add pass all from any to any" just to see if you can ping. After that, start tightening down the bolts (Obviously, delete the "ipfw" line I just gave you, once you've verified that it works) Smells like rulesets to me, but I could be wrong. Regards, Christian > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tim Erlin > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:15 PM > To: Greg Diamond; 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' > Subject: Re: FreeBSD gateway - what am i missing? > > > You're missing NAT. Go to > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ and check the > "setting up a dual-homed host" link. That's where I > got most of the info below: > > Add to /etc/rc.conf > > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall" > firewall_type="open" > firewall_quiet="YES" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="ep0" > natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" > > Create /etc/natd.conf with > > use_sockets yes > > That should help. Once you get that running, you > should be able to do 'ipfw list' to see firewall rules > and 'top' should show natd running. > > Then ask questions on -questions. You're likely to get > a better response. > > --Tim > > --- Greg Diamond > wrote: > > I am trying to set up a FreeBSD box to act as a > > gateway (+ firewall/nat) > > > > I set up a box with 2 nic cards: > > rl0: IP 111.222.33.44 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > #public ip (static) - > > connected to DSL Modem > > dc0: IP 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > #internal ip - connected out > > to hub > > gateway_enabled="yes" > > default_router 111.222.33.1 #my isp assigned > > gateway > > > > i re-compiled the kernel to include > > options IPFIREWALL > > options IPDIVERT > > > > i connected my NT Server to the hub and assigned it > > IP 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway > > 192.168.1.1 > > > > i edited the `hosts` files on both my FreeBSD and NT > > machines > > also edited my desktop firewall on my NT box to > > allow local traffic > > > > i figured at this point i should be able to at least > > have my machines ping > > each other, but to no avail > > NT to FreeBSD --> request time out > > FreeBSD to NT --> `Permission Denied` > > > > i tried adding to no avail: > > route add -net 192.168.1.1/16 -interface dc0 > > and tried running the routed which just storms me > > with permission denied > > i have netstart run at boot time from the rc.local > > script > > > > what step am i missing? is there other info of my > > setup/config i need to > > post? > > i'm rather new to unix, and using FreeBSD as my > > learning box instead of a > > Linux distro. > > I've have pretty good luck so far the past few weeks > > with it, setting up > > x/kde/apache/mysql/php as a server/workstation with > > success.. been pretty > > happy as a newbie so far ;-) but stumped with this > > issue ;-( > > any help, or maybe a link to a good newbie walk thru > > for this setup.. i've > > been searching and hacking at it for a while without > > success. > > > > thanx > > Greg > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > > the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOvL76CkK9qTvGvteEQI9lQCggrjbYU1+q3fO2eL6jdWTfPtPad4An30i K65SWmu9tqbU7Y0F/u0K/Uav =GhOz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 17: 0:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pcshs.com (rs13ws44.internal.pcshs.com [204.99.13.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E67B37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jeremy.Ford@pcshs.com) Subject: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 Message-ID: From: Jeremy.Ford@pcshs.com Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:30:13 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on scottsdale-notes-smtp1/PCSHS(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 05/04/2001 04:59:18 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You wouldn't happen to have any pdf or doc files to download and print would you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 22:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from guriga.xamar.net (edtn008278.hs.telusplanet.net [161.184.160.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD1C37B424; Fri, 4 May 2001 22:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aabdulle@telusplanet.net) Received: from xamar.net (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guriga.xamar.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f455bCR01964; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aabdulle@telusplanet.net) Received: from 192.168.1.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ahmed) by www.xamar.net with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <1601.192.168.1.2.989041032.squirrel@www.xamar.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: subscribe From: "Ahmed" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Reply-To: aabdulle@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 4 22:48:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from guriga.xamar.net (edtn008278.hs.telusplanet.net [161.184.160.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0B137B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 22:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aabdulle@telusplanet.net) Received: from xamar.net (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guriga.xamar.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f455mgR02052 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aabdulle@telusplanet.net) Received: from 192.168.1.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ahmed) by www.xamar.net with HTTP; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <1612.192.168.1.2.989041722.squirrel@www.xamar.net> Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: help From: "Ahmed" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: aabdulle@telusplanet.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 4:47:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from filer.fr.clara.net (filer.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8A337B424; Sat, 5 May 2001 04:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@fr.clara.net) Received: from munster.noc.fr.clara.net (munster.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.20]) by filer.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1163D2F4A; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:47:02 +0200 (CEST) From: James Tapping X-Sender: james@munster.noc.fr.clara.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd bootdisk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I am new too FreeBSD and coming from the linux world...I have an old 486 machine that I use as a NAT gateway using Debian Linux, and I have never managed to get the machine to boot from the harddrive (even after using a /boot partition etc), so i quite happily use a boot-diskette. So my question is what and how does one do the equivalent thing in FreeBSD? Yes, I have tried installing a FreeBSD on the machine and it doesn't want to boot either, the machine justs asks for a diskette (nothing in the bios settings either, its an IBM 433 DXS) Any ideas? Thanks James please reply personally as I am not subscribed to questions@ on newbies cheers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 9:42:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236D37B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sybols@gte.net) Received: from gte.net (208-44-67-246.lb-dyn.charterpipeline.com [208.44.67.246]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id LAA343712 Sat, 5 May 2001 11:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AF42C89.7030306@gte.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:38:33 -0700 From: John User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001103 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd bootdisk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I remember during the install FreeBSD gives the option to create a bootdisk. However I have been using the a "grub" boot disk for linux, bsd's and windoze. It will start about anything, a little hard to learn though. It also can be installed on the hd, it has menu options and can start operating systems on the second hd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 10:37:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C3F0A37B43C for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 10:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tperlin@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010505173730.30486.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.81.48.149] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 May 2001 10:37:30 PDT Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Erlin Subject: Re: help To: aabdulle@telusplanet.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1612.192.168.1.2.989041722.squirrel@www.xamar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please be more specific. --- Ahmed wrote: > help > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 13:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.fr.clara.net (lorraine.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C03837B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@fr.clara.net) Received: from munster.noc.fr.clara.net (munster.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.20]) by mail2.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBCA351F4; Sat, 5 May 2001 22:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:59:44 +0200 (CEST) From: James Tapping X-Sender: james@munster.noc.fr.clara.net To: John Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd bootdisk In-Reply-To: <3AF42C89.7030306@gte.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello At which moment? This is why i'm stuck :-) Grub boot disk? could you point me to an image? cheers On Sat, 5 May 2001, John wrote: > I remember during the install FreeBSD gives the option to create a bootdisk. > However I have been using the a "grub" boot disk for linux, bsd's and > windoze. > It will start about anything, a little hard to learn though. It also can > be installed on the hd, it has > menu options and can start operating systems on the second hd. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 14:54:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91FB37B423; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f45LsMZ22454; Sun, 6 May 2001 07:54:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 07:54:22 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: James Tapping Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd bootdisk Message-ID: <20010506075422.L220@welearn.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from james@fr.clara.net on Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:47:02PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Follow-ups to James and -questions please. No discussion of install problems should be held on -newbies. On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:47:02PM +0200, James Tapping wrote: > > Hello > > I am new too FreeBSD and coming from the linux world...I have an old > 486 machine that I use as a NAT gateway using Debian Linux, and I > have never managed to get the machine to boot from the harddrive > (even after using a /boot partition etc), so i quite happily use a > boot-diskette. So my question is what and how does one do the > equivalent thing in FreeBSD? That arrangement is a Linuxism that I've heard of before but don't fully understand. There is no direct equivalent for FreeBSD, because the two operating systems boot entirely differently. In order to solve your problem for FreeBSD, you need to start again with a totally FreeBSD approach, first defining the problem in an OS-independent manner. > Yes, I have tried installing a FreeBSD on the machine and it doesn't > want to boot either, the machine justs asks for a diskette (nothing > in the bios settings either, its an IBM 433 DXS) > > Any ideas? What version of FreeBSD are you installing? How much RAM does the machine have? That could be a limiting factor. How big is the hard disk, are you using all of it, and how have you sliced it (DOSSpeak=partition) for FreeBSD? We usually use a single slice and make partitions within that, unlike Linux. Did the standard FreeBSD installation succeed? If so, where do you first read the word "FreeBSD" when you try to boot? If the machine has FreeBSD installed and is asking for a boot diskette, I can't imagine that it would be FreeBSD making that request. Perhaps scraps of the old boot manager remain? > please reply personally as I am not subscribed to questions@ on newbies No problem. Perhaps you'll see someone on freebsd-questions correct me (and cc you) if I've said anything wrong. Meanwhile, James, can you provide some more information to freebsd-questions so that the support volunteers can help you? Exactly what have you got, and what have you done with it so far? If anyone can help you, they will do so on freebsd-questions with a cc to you but you might have to help the helpers a little more. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 23: 6:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drake.host4u.net (drake.host4u.net [216.71.64.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E237B422; Sat, 5 May 2001 23:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsddiary@drake.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by drake.host4u.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21311; Sun, 6 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200105060607.BAA21311@drake.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-04-15 - 2001-05-05 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 25-Apr : It is time for a move.... new job, new city http://freebsddiary.org/newjob.php?2 22-Apr : New website goes live Everything is ready http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010423.php?2 18-Apr : latest changes ready for testing your chance to test drive the new web server http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010418.php?2 16-Apr : Massive website changes php is the place we wanna go http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010416.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 5 23:13: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from baku.host4u.net (baku.host4u.net [216.71.64.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FD337B424; Sat, 5 May 2001 23:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsddiary@baku.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by baku.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04867; Sun, 6 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200105060607.BAA04867@baku.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-04-15 - 2001-05-05 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly with the aim of increasing awareness of what's available on the on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 18-Apr : latest changes ready for testing your chance to test drive the new web server http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010418.html?2 16-Apr : Massive website changes php is the place we wanna go http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010416.html?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message