From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 29 0:58:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274E537B401 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6T7vq859417; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:57:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "leegold" Cc: Subject: RE: newsgroup way over my head Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 00:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c11804$2ae3ea00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <005101c1178b$61e67230$0c00000a@webmaster> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your in an insecure network to where your going to move to SSH, then don't forget that there's other protocols (pop3, for example) that you are going to want to take a look at too. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of M >Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:33 AM >To: leegold >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: newsgroup way over my head > > >hm .... could it be that kerberos gives you an authenticated ID to recognize >you? > >SSH doesn't, just encrypts the data ..... > >Sheesh, I love telnet ... but if everytime I SU to ROOT it goes in plain >text, then I'm moving to SSH. Today I'll try to move to 4.3, wish me luck >(-: > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marcia Barrett Nice" >To: "leegold" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:53 AM >Subject: Re: newsgroup way over my head > > >> I think your question may be a bit much for -newbies, but I'm going to >> try giving you some links and hope they answer your questions. >> >> From SecurityPortal.com: >> http://securityportal.com/lskb/10000100/kben10000105.html > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 29 1:22:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77437B403 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6T8MA859484; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Marcia Barrett Nice" , "leegold" Cc: Subject: RE: newsgroup way over my head Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:22:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01c11807$9006ffa0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3B62C3CF.2FA4AABC@saintmail.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marcia Barrett >Nice >find however. Support for Kerberos is built into Windows 2000, however >MS has added a proprietary extension which can cause problems. > Just a point - Microsoft has released documentation on this so-called "proprietary" extension. It's true that they did so under a bit of pressure but they did do it. What they did was use a field marked "vendor defined" to carry their own additional information. Use of this field did not prevent UNIX Kerberized hosts from obtaining tickets from a 2000 server. In truth, the only thing that was controversial about their extension was that they didn't immediately release docs on it. The actual extension modification itself was not controversial, (except to certain fanatical people) as it occurred within the guidelines of the standard. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 29 2:43:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from btclick.com (mta03.btfusion.com [62.172.195.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199BB37B401; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 02:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tobanks@attglobal.net) Received: from escher.webnology.co.uk ([217.34.193.225]) by btclick.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GH8AQK00.U0D; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:37:32 +0100 Received: from mx1.prserv.net (DAVINCI.WEBNOLOGY.CO.UK [90.0.0.1]) by escher.webnology.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id PHGJFK6Z; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 07:42:36 +0100 Reply-To: From: "tobanks@attglobal.net" To: "4848@earthlink.net" <4848@earthlink.net> Subject: Are you a foreign resident? 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Ask about Kerberos later, after you become more familiar with your environment. The answers below are correct, but since your asking help with them, take heed. The above statement isn't exactly true, you'll learn that later on. But for now assuming you understand telnet, ssh is an encrypted telnet. Agemo Noraj -_-_-_-_-_ " What an excellent day for an exorcism. " _-_-_-_-_- On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, leegold wrote: > I asked in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc the follow and would appreciate > if anyone could help me with understanding the answer, it's a constant fight learning unix. > And, I don't think it has to be a "fight". Could anyone *help*. > > > newbie a bit overwhelmed by terminology: > > what is the difference between ssh vs. Kerberos? > > they're security and crypto protocols, right? > > Thanks, > > Lee G. > > Uh, apples and oranges. Kerberos is an authentication > and access control mechanism. 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(Any attempts to disrupt the removal email address etc., will not allow us to be able to retrieve and process the remove requests.) ====================================================================== **** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 15:49:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www.musicman.com (musicman.com [139.171.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B271237B401 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johng@musicman.com) Received: from localhost (johng@localhost) by www.musicman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA48065 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:49:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from johng@musicman.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:49:54 -0400 (EDT) From: john To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Drive Configuration Question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an Adaptec raid card with two Raid-I drives I'm trying to configure. The machine is now booting from a third IDE drive, with FreeBSD version 4.2. I'm trying to address two problems: 1) The disk label editor will not allow me to set a mount point. I've obviously left out a step, but I'm not sure what. 2) I can't mount the RAID drives, even though the label editor shows that they have FreeBSD installed on them. I'm trying to mount da0 or some component of it, by saying "mount da0", "mount da0s1a" or some variation thereof. It always says "unknown special file or file system". What should I do, where can I go for more info? Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 16:53:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207537B403; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from merlin@netlink.co.uk) Received: from [213.122.152.206] (helo=maesd.A470.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15RjKX-0005WJ-00; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:53:42 +0100 Received: by maesd.A470.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7933134D6; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:37:13 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) Message-ID: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt 1.2.5i (OpenBSD 2.8) Organization: A470 X-PGP-812C54B1: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed FreeBSD 4.3 on hard disk two in a box, with Windows 2000 on hard disk one. I chose not to install the boot loader as I wasn't sure if it would work. Will the boot loader that comes with FreeBSD be able to reside on hard disk one, and dual boot hard disk one and FreeBSD on hard disk two ? How can I install the boot loader ? Should I reboot the FreeBSD CD, and take it from there ? Help ! -- Darren Wyn Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 17:24:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E92437B406; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageone (ppp-208-191-234-183.dialup.crchtx.swbell.net [208.191.234.183]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15796; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:23:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010731192359.01aea8f0@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:23:59 -0500 To: Darren Wyn Rees , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) In-Reply-To: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed FreeBSD with Win2000 on several machines and installed the Easy Boot Manager feature used in the sysinstall. One install with a Pentium went smoothly as silk, but others were very difficult. On the smooth one, Win2K was already installed on the first drive and I installed FreeBSD on a second drive. Afterwards, the Boot Manager popped right up as it should. On the "tough" machines, I found that if Win2K were installed after FreeBSD, it will overwrite the Easy Boot Manager. Also, I found it easier to PARTITION the first drive and install Win2K first and then FreeBSD. That made those machines work fine as dual boot. However, I have not figured out how to make Easy Boot install properly on the tough machines if I try to install FreeBSD on the second drive. Also, Win2k will not install properly on the second drive in part of the first partition does not have a DOS partition to write the setup files. Again, if Win2K is installed second, it will overwrite the Easy Boot... at least that was my experience.... The motherboard seemed to be the variable on this.... Hope this helps some one... maybe me if some one can tell me what I did wrong.... At 10:37 PM 7.31.2001 +0000, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: >I've installed FreeBSD 4.3 on hard disk two in a box, >with Windows 2000 on hard disk one. I chose not to >install the boot loader as I wasn't sure if it would >work. > >Will the boot loader that comes with FreeBSD be able >to reside on hard disk one, and dual boot hard disk >one and FreeBSD on hard disk two ? > >How can I install the boot loader ? Should I reboot >the FreeBSD CD, and take it from there ? > >Help ! > >-- >Darren Wyn Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 17:57:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9F037B403; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from merlin@netlink.co.uk) Received: from [213.122.40.78] (helo=maesd.A470.com) by rhenium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15RkKZ-0003d7-00; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:57:48 +0100 Received: by maesd.A470.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D038034D6; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:41:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:41:23 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) Message-ID: <20010731234123.A27711@maesd.A470.com> References: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com>; from merlin@netlink.co.uk on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:37:13PM +0000 User-Agent: Mutt 1.2.5i (OpenBSD 2.8) Organization: A470 X-PGP-812C54B1: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:37:13PM +0000, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: > I've installed FreeBSD 4.3 on hard disk two in a box, > with Windows 2000 on hard disk one. I chose not to > install the boot loader as I wasn't sure if it would > work. > > Will the boot loader that comes with FreeBSD be able > to reside on hard disk one, and dual boot hard disk > one and FreeBSD on hard disk two ? FreeBSD is the secondary slave, disk one is primary master, I've tried re-installing it, and installing the boot manager, but when I boot the machine the FreeBSD boot loader just comes up with gibberish ... F1 FreeBSD F5 Drive 1 or F1 ???? F5 Drive 0 WTF. Totally confused. I can boot into Windows 2000, but no way of booting into the FreeBSD disk. -- Darren Wyn Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 18:13:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3B37B401; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageone (ppp-208-191-234-183.dialup.crchtx.swbell.net [208.191.234.183]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22696; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010731201332.01aea8f0@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:13:32 -0500 To: Darren Wyn Rees , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) In-Reply-To: <20010731234123.A27711@maesd.A470.com> References: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's exactly the results I had with certain machines trying to use two hard drives. After many tries, I resorted to a partitioning of the first hard disk with Win2K in the first one. During sysinstall, select the Boot Manager for the first drive and it'll work.... F1 Dos F5 FreeBSD On my pentium, it worked with two hard drives.... but not the others no matter what. At 11:41 PM 7.31.2001 +0000, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: >On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 10:37:13PM +0000, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: > >> I've installed FreeBSD 4.3 on hard disk two in a box, >> with Windows 2000 on hard disk one. I chose not to >> install the boot loader as I wasn't sure if it would >> work. >> >> Will the boot loader that comes with FreeBSD be able >> to reside on hard disk one, and dual boot hard disk >> one and FreeBSD on hard disk two ? > >FreeBSD is the secondary slave, disk one is primary master, > >I've tried re-installing it, and installing the boot manager, >but when I boot the machine the FreeBSD boot loader just >comes up with gibberish ... > > F1 FreeBSD > F5 Drive 1 > >or > > F1 ???? > F5 Drive 0 > >WTF. > >Totally confused. I can boot into Windows 2000, but no >way of booting into the FreeBSD disk. > >-- >Darren Wyn Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 19:34:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3956A37B401; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from spatula.home ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:15:47 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Andrew Boothman To: Darren Wyn Rees Subject: Re: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 03:15:44 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> <20010731234123.A27711@maesd.A470.com> In-Reply-To: <20010731234123.A27711@maesd.A470.com> Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080103154402.00374@spatula.home> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 01 August 2001 12:41 am, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: > FreeBSD is the secondary slave, disk one is primary master, > > I've tried re-installing it, and installing the boot manager, > but when I boot the machine the FreeBSD boot loader just > comes up with gibberish ... > > F1 FreeBSD > F5 Drive 1 > > or > > F1 ???? > F5 Drive 0 Sorry if I'm being stupid here, but isn't the above correct? When you boot the machine you would see the second of the two menus you gave above. F1 will boot into Win2000, F5 will switch to the other drive. If you switch to the other drive, you see the first of the two menus. When F1 will boot into FreeBSD and F5 will switch you back to the other drive. I have a similar situation on my machine where I have two HDDs, with Win98SE on the primary master drive, and FreeBSD on the secondary master drive. I have menus identical to yours on my box, and everything works perfectly. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 20:26:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from boss (unknown [210.183.236.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C026C37B40C for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from boss@palza.net) From: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?yLK068jG?= To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W77LuLJdIGZyZWVic2QtbmV3Ymllc7TUwMcgsMe9wsC7ILHiv/ggteW4s7TPtNkuLg==?= Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:22:12 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0127_01C0F01A.93A22C00" X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20010801032515.C026C37B40C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. 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by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA09874; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:57:48 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Unix skills at work Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all. I know a rather rather skilled Unix fella. Recently asked him about his work. What he said follows. Thought some of you might be interested in some views of an engineer/admin who works within the enterprise environment. --------------------------------------------------------------- Not much to say, really. It's work. Everyday, what weren't broken gets upgraded and broken. Philosophically, they're paying me a large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long run. But I've come to understand that this is the way most of our educated professionals think. It is very clear, though, that they don't understand syllogistic logic. 'Course, I ain't been college educated, but I would have thought logic would be a prerequisite to computer science. Then again, if I had the benefit of an education, I might understand why it no longer applies. I am something of the problem child at (X-Company) -- I have trouble getting with the "program" and staying on the "same page." On one hand, I'm expected to think independently and be "pro-active." On the other, I'm tolerated and guided because I forget about the "vision" and cut straight to what works. They find that an annoyance, since it's "old-fashioned" and indicates a lack of innovative reasoning. In a way, though, it's worked out well. They tolerate me because my systems don't break and they keep me away from the visionary innovations because I can't get through my thick skull why they want broken (err... 'scuse me) innovative systems. Ah, well... it seems like the really serious systems, they leave to me and don't bother me about it -- and -- the pay checks have always cleared the bank, so far. So I would have to say that this is just another gig. I remember when the old linotype operators struggled with the "new" qwerty keyboard. Most couldn't make the transition. At the time, I couldn't understand why and figured it would never happen to me. As it turns out, it has happened to me. I won't be able or willing to make the transition to the new way of thinking. Mostly, I think, because I don't like it, don't respect it and have been there, done it. Still, it's their time in the sun and mine has passed -- they deserve the chance to repeat the same mistakes as I did. There is truly an interesting symmetry in all this. anonymous To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 31 23:21:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B68637B40B for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f716Ld869340; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "ML Duke" , Subject: RE: Unix skills at work Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c11a52$3880f360$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Boy, this guy is what Scott Adams modeled Wally on in Dilbert. On one hand he says: >Ah, well... it seems like the really serious systems, they leave >to me and don't bother me about it and on the other he says: >Philosophically, they're paying me a >large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long >run. That's the first time I've heard administration on "the really serious systems" called "nothing beneficial in the long run" I think that most likely his superiors have just thrown up their hands and decided that here's a guy who is valuable enough to keep around because he knows some things very, very well, but he is never going to transcend beyond that. He wants to pigeonholed and they have indulged him. No wonder he is working in an enterprise environment, that's the only kind of environment that is large enough to have little cubbyholes here and there that need people stuffed into. The linotype operator story is an excuse. IT administration isn't a repetitive clerical job. All your seeing here is a guy that has a lot of experience that could be very valuable to everyone around him if he just made a little effort to present it well - who has turned his back to his organization and is selfishly unwilling to share it. Talk about deserving the chance to make the same mistakes - did he ever ask anyone if they wanted to have that chance? I don't see interesting symmetry here - I just see someone who is representative of how depressing it can be made to be if your goal is to make it depressing. What a waste. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:58 PM >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Unix skills at work > > >Hi all. I know a rather rather skilled Unix fella. >Recently asked him about his work. What he said follows. >Thought some of you might be interested in some views >of an engineer/admin who works within the enterprise >environment. >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Not much to say, really. It's work. Everyday, what weren't broken >gets upgraded and broken. Philosophically, they're paying me a >large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long >run. But I've come to understand that this is the way most of our >educated professionals think. It is very clear, though, that >they don't understand syllogistic logic. 'Course, I ain't been >college educated, but I would have thought logic would be a >prerequisite to computer science. Then again, if I had the benefit >of an education, I might understand why it no longer applies. > >I am something of the problem child at (X-Company) -- I have >trouble getting with the "program" and staying on the "same >page." On one hand, I'm expected to think independently and be >"pro-active." On the other, I'm tolerated and guided because I >forget about the "vision" and cut straight to what works. They >find that an annoyance, since it's "old-fashioned" and indicates >a lack of innovative reasoning. > >In a way, though, it's worked out well. They tolerate me because >my systems don't break and they keep me away from the visionary >innovations because I can't get through my thick skull why they >want broken (err... 'scuse me) innovative systems. > >Ah, well... it seems like the really serious systems, they leave >to me and don't bother me about it -- and -- the pay checks have >always cleared the bank, so far. So I would have to say that this >is just another gig. > >I remember when the old linotype operators struggled with the >"new" qwerty keyboard. Most couldn't make the transition. At the >time, I couldn't understand why and figured it would never happen >to me. As it turns out, it has happened to me. I won't be able or >willing to make the transition to the new way of thinking. >Mostly, I think, because I don't like it, don't respect it and >have been there, done it. Still, it's their time in the sun and >mine has passed -- they deserve the chance to repeat the same >mistakes as I did. > >There is truly an interesting symmetry in all this. > >anonymous > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 1 2:34:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D2637B403; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from merlin@netlink.co.uk) Received: from [213.122.52.2] (helo=maesd.A470.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15RsOh-0004EC-00; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:34:36 +0100 Received: by maesd.A470.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D76D434D6; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:18:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:18:21 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: Andrew Boothman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing boot manager (dual boot, two disks, w2k, freebsd) Message-ID: <20010801081821.A28988@maesd.A470.com> References: <20010731223713.A27921@maesd.A470.com> <20010731234123.A27711@maesd.A470.com> <01080103154402.00374@spatula.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01080103154402.00374@spatula.home>; from andrew@cream.org on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:15:44AM +0100 User-Agent: Mutt 1.2.5i (OpenBSD 2.8) Organization: A470 X-PGP-812C54B1: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:15:44AM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > > F1 FreeBSD > > F5 Drive 1 [...] > I have a similar situation on my machine where I have two HDDs, with Win98SE > on the primary master drive, and FreeBSD on the secondary master drive. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 1 11:59:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0011337B401 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@jwebmedia.com) Received: from [209.145.133.59] (account jkoenig@accessus.net HELO jwebmedia.com) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 11638682 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3B68534F.30FB0FE3@jwebmedia.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:06:55 -0500 From: Joseph Koenig Reply-To: joe@jwebmedia.com Organization: jWeb New Media Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: So many install problems... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sure someone is gonna say RTFM and I'm sorry, I bet this gets covered all the time, but I can't find any help and the list archives don't seem to be working. All I'm trying to do is install FreeBSD on a new system. It's the BSD PowerPak 4.2 from Walnut Creek (Is that my problem?). The system I'm trying to install on is a Dell PowerEdge 2500SC 1GHz PIII, 512MB ECC SDRAM, 3x18GB U160 Seagate Cheetah's in a RAID 5. The raid controller is an Adaptec 2100. The bios tells me there are 2 containers, which is correct. However, FreeBSD tells me there are no hard disks in the system, and says the controller may not have been probed properly. If I go into the UserConfig thing, I can't pick the driver for this card. Adaptec's site says to just let the kernel do it's normal configuration and that it will recognize the card and the drives. Should that be correct? How should I go about installing FreeBSD on this system? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 1 13: 1:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413C437B403 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA379A; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:08:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3B68600F.34D84921@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:01:19 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unix skills at work References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > Not much to say, really. It's work. Everyday, what weren't broken > gets upgraded and broken. Philosophically, they're paying me a > large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long > run. I've heard of some IT departments that work this way, but many do not. Most IT departments don't want to operate under an upgrade-fix-upgrade-fix cycle because it's a complete waste of time. But sometimes they don't have a choice. Sometimes there is a director or vice president in the way. When the guy signing the paycheck says he wants to implement the solution he saw in a PC Magazine advert, your choices are limited. > But I've come to understand that this is the way most of our > educated professionals think. There is a period of time just after formal academic education when the "educated professional" thinks they know it all (sort of like teenagers). Give them a year or two and reality will complete their education. Beware those that are always taking extension and/or graduate classes but never spend any time in the trenches. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 6:40: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.baerum.kommune.no (mail.baerum.kommune.no [195.134.40.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C1C837B405 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no) Received: from SA-D01-Message_Server by mail.baerum.kommune.no with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:39:45 +0200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:39:34 +0200 From: "Idar Tollefsen" To: Subject: Mouse trouble (console and X) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, As I just got X running, ran into this small problem. I had moused running, using /dev/mouse which was a symlink to /dev/sysmouse. When I started X with this configuration, the mouse fired off quite a few clicks and placed itself in the top right corner and then went dead. I went back to the console and killed moused just to find that the mouse now was non-functional in X. Back on the console again, I changed /dev/mouse to point to /dev/psm0 (as I have a PS/2 mouse). This made the mouse work correctly in X, but only when moused isn'r running. moused still starts and operates correctly even tough it now points to /dev/psm0 instead of /dev/sysmouse trough /dev/mouse. Is there a way to make moused and X cooperate to share the mouse? And what exactly does=20 /dev/sysmouse do? I read somewhere that it was an abstraction to the actual mouse device...? Note that I have tried both "ps/2" and "auto" as protocols for moused, both for /dev/psm0 and /dev/sysmouse. - IT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 8:47:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ezonicmail.ns1.ezonic.net (unknown [209.189.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1DB37B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@webzonic.com) Received: from ezonichome (unverified [66.74.164.119]) by ezonicmail.ns1.ezonic.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:45:00 -0700 From: "Craig Rose" To: Subject: Setting up a DNS server Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:42:34 -0700 Message-ID: <022d01c11b69$bfa87990$0100a8c0@ezonichome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm new to FreeBSD and Like a lot of you (I'm sure) tired of MS. I want to convert our DNS servers to FreeBSD Can anyone tell me the best install options and ports to use with this type of install. Also, any sites or recommended books on the subject would be great. Thanks in advance, Craig Rose Web-Zonic, Inc. DBA. e-Zonic.Net CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 9: 4:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garion.haneys.net (dsl-64-34-250-237.telocity.com [64.34.250.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD08637B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:04:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@garion.haneys.net) Received: (from rich@localhost) by garion.haneys.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f72G3kn08689; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rich) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:03:36 -0400 From: Rich Haney To: Craig Rose Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server Message-ID: <20010802120336.A8669@haneys.net> References: <022d01c11b69$bfa87990$0100a8c0@ezonichome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <022d01c11b69$bfa87990$0100a8c0@ezonichome>; from craig@webzonic.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:42:34AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You'll need BIND, of course. It's nicely self-contained, so most other non-essential packages can be eliminated. You shouldn't need any real heavy-duty hardware if this is going to be the primary function - 500 MHz, 128-256MB RAM and a good drive. O'Reilly's "DNS and BIND" should be on the bookshelf of anyone who ever thought about running a nameserver. Rich On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 at 08:42, Craig Rose used 0.8K bytes to say: > I'm new to FreeBSD and Like a lot of you (I'm sure) tired of MS. > I want to convert our DNS servers to FreeBSD > > Can anyone tell me the best install options and ports to use with this > type of install. > Also, any sites or recommended books on the subject would be great. > > Thanks in advance, > > Craig Rose > Web-Zonic, Inc. > DBA. e-Zonic.Net > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all > copies of the original message. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 9:44:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D6C37B403 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 3BA0416B65 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 18:44:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5AB243021A; Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:54:03 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802184358.071b96a8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:45:12 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server In-Reply-To: <022d01c11b69$bfa87990$0100a8c0@ezonichome> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I'm new to FreeBSD and Like a lot of you (I'm sure) tired of MS. >I want to convert our DNS servers to FreeBSD > >Can anyone tell me the best install options and ports to use with this >type of install. >Also, any sites or recommended books on the subject would be great. get the OīReilly book DNS & BIND, 4th edition. there are resources on the BIND site in my sig, which themselves will point to other resources, so get reading. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 10:12:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD4137B403 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaxCode4u@home.com) Received: from jasondod ([24.6.45.31]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010802171214.SJSL12480.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@jasondod> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: <00e801c11b76$46ae3f40$0400a8c0@jasondod> From: "Jason Dodson" To: Subject: wanting to host a website....have the domain name.....help Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:12:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jason Dodson" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alrighty, I recently installed FreeBSD and I am loving it. I have a friend who bought a domain name a while back and I want to host the website on my FreeBSD box. Now how do I go about doing this? I have read about and believe that I understand the DNS but I still would like to know just how I am supposed to get the NetSolutions domain name that he bought to point to my server? I know this may seem like a really general question but any time I write the NetSolutions people they send me a pre-formatted listing of things to do that looks like someone just cut and pasted it and then sent that to me......I just need to know what I need to have up and running on my machine and what I need to do with NetSolutions.......any references, webpages, or personal replies are welcome! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 11:27:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from filer.fr.clara.net (filer.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C5037B405 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@fr.clara.net) Received: from munster.noc.fr.clara.net (munster.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.20]) by filer.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462D03143; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:24:29 +0200 (CEST) From: James X-Sender: james@munster.noc.fr.clara.net To: Jason Dodson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanting to host a website....have the domain name.....help In-Reply-To: <00e801c11b76$46ae3f40$0400a8c0@jasondod> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The company through who your friend 'bought' the DN from may have a web based DNS admin page for doing what you want...(sometimes they charge extra) this is the kind of thing you need - www IN A ip_of_your_server James On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Jason Dodson wrote: > Alrighty, I recently installed FreeBSD and I am loving it. I have a friend > who bought a domain name a while back and I want to host the website on my > FreeBSD box. Now how do I go about doing this? I have read about and > believe that I understand the DNS but I still would like to know just how I > am supposed to get the NetSolutions domain name that he bought to point to > my server? I know this may seem like a really general question but any time > I write the NetSolutions people they send me a pre-formatted listing of > things to do that looks like someone just cut and pasted it and then sent > that to me......I just need to know what I need to have up and running on my > machine and what I need to do with NetSolutions.......any references, > webpages, or personal replies are welcome! > > > Jason > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 11:34:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5D237B405 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BB31518EC; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0FB18E9; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Jason Dodson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanting to host a website....have the domain name.....help In-Reply-To: <00e801c11b76$46ae3f40$0400a8c0@jasondod> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're really better off asking questions like this on -questions... That's what it is for. -Newbies is not really meant to be the place. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 12:34:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B6837B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joncheng2000@yahoo.com) Received: from joncheng ([64.229.67.138]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010802193425.QXXV20283.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@joncheng> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:34:25 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c11b8b$6e9754a0$0200a8c0@joncheng> From: "Jon Cheng" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010802184358.071b96a8@mail.Go2France.com> Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am interested in setting up my DNS server with freebsd too. However, I am on DSL and my ip is static for only as long as I leave my server on. (usually my ip stays for about 2 weeks) Is this sufficient to serve as a DNS server? thanks -jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Conrad" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server > > >I'm new to FreeBSD and Like a lot of you (I'm sure) tired of MS. > >I want to convert our DNS servers to FreeBSD > > > >Can anyone tell me the best install options and ports to use with this > >type of install. > >Also, any sites or recommended books on the subject would be great. > > get the OīReilly book DNS & BIND, 4th edition. there are resources on the > BIND site in my sig, which themselves will point to other resources, so get > reading. > > Len > > > http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 12:42:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lucy.tbscom.com (mail2.tbscom.com [205.215.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189037B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsmith@coolbluei.com) Received: from coolblueinteractive.org (coolblueinteractive.org [205.215.40.48]) by coolblueinteractive.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f72JgaS29174 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:42:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacob Smith X-Sender: jsmith@lucy.tbscom.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server In-Reply-To: <002701c11b8b$6e9754a0$0200a8c0@joncheng> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Hi, I am interested in setting up my DNS server with freebsd too. However, >I am on DSL and my ip is static for only as long as I leave my server on. >(usually my ip stays for about 2 weeks) Is this sufficient to serve as a >DNS server? In my very humble opinion, no. You might want to look at something like http://www.tzo.com. Jake Smith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 12:51: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E3537B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joncheng2000@yahoo.com) Received: from joncheng ([64.229.67.138]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010802195103.RGDI20283.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@joncheng> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: <01a101c11b8d$c141d3e0$0200a8c0@joncheng> From: "Jon Cheng" To: References: Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jacob, so if I switch to cable service, in which I get a static ip, then it would be sufficient? thanks, -jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server > >Hi, I am interested in setting up my DNS server with freebsd > too. However, > >I am on DSL and my ip is static for only as long as I leave my server on. > >(usually my ip stays for about 2 weeks) Is this sufficient to serve as a > >DNS server? > > In my very humble opinion, no. > > You might want to look at something like http://www.tzo.com. > > Jake Smith > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 14:43: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (unknown [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9152E37B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leegold@operamail.com) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Thu, 2 Aug 01 17:43:04 -0400 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:43:04 -0400 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: Recursively copying a directory - explain please. Message-ID: <3B9AAD71@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please explain what the difference is between copying a directory vs. Recursively copying a directory. Thanks, LeeG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 2 14:57:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A438037B401 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA558; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3B69CCC0.302A4E35@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:57:20 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recursively copying a directory - explain please. References: <3B9AAD71@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > > Please explain what the difference is between copying > a directory vs. Recursively copying a directory. Copying a directory only copies the directory and the files contained within it. Recursively copying a directory does the same thing, and in addition, copies any subdirectories (also recursively). The following diagram may be useful /fubar/testone /fubar/testtwo /fubar/subdir /fubar/subdir/example /fubar/subdir/sample /fubar/subdir/newdir /fubar/subdir/newdir/adinfinitem A "cp /fubar/*" will only copy the first two items. A "cp -r /fubar/*" will copy all of the above items. 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If it has any relevans, I'm currently running 4.3-RELEASE on an Alpha. I've looked in the handbook and the LINT file under sys/i386/conf. The handbook seems to give only examples of the most commonly used once, while the LINT file seems to be more complete. Is the LINT file the closest I can get to such a list? - IT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 4: 0:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.baerum.kommune.no (mail.baerum.kommune.no [195.134.40.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F08837B401 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no) Received: from SA-D01-Message_Server by mail.baerum.kommune.no with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:00:29 +0200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:00:09 +0200 From: "Idar Tollefsen" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Does install slice or partition or whatever? Or do I have to do it first? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm an absolute newbie. I've got my floppies here with the images but = I'm=20 > afraid to start the install process because I have no idea whether or = not I=20 > should have run some kind of disk slicing or partitioning program first. = Does=20 > the install destroy my windows98 os and apps, or does it automatically = slice=20 > my disk and place itself in the unused memory portion? The installation process wil let you partition your harddrive. It will destroy your win98 installation unless it resides in an allready separate partition or you are installing FreeBSD on a unused harddrive, both of which seems unlikely since you're asking. You could possible try to get hold of a program like PartitionMagic to resize (i.e. shrink) your Win98 partition first, before you install = FreeBSD. PartitionMagic will let you do that without destroying the partition. After you have done that, the installation process will show you that there is a part of you harddrive that's in use, and you could simply add more partitions for FreeBSD use after the one that Win98 uses. Another hint would be to ask these questions on the freebsd-newbies list. 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click here to be removed from our mailing list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 6:11:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C63037B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2481918EA; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D33418E9; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Idar Tollefsen Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Does install slice or partition or whatever? Or do I have to do it first? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Another hint would be to ask these questions on the freebsd-newbies > list. I've posted my reply there to contiune the discussion on the > correct list. Um... no... -newbies is not for technical questions. This belongs in -questions. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 6:16:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com (cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com [137.237.241.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFC937B403 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@harris.com) Received: by cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: <95B669A7D872D41182A600508BDFFB8C01BECD3E@mlbmx7.ess.harris.com> From: "Potts, Ross" To: 'David Johnson' , leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Recursively copying a directory - explain please. Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:16:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Make SURE there are no links back to something already copied, i.e.: /fubar/dir1 /fubar/dir1/a/link1(link to ../dir1) and so on. I caught hell trying to clean up for a demo. Just went and started tarring away before realizing I had filled a 20 gig drive with nothing but recursive links. Even thought I didn't create the links, I still should have caught them right away. -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson [mailto:djohnson@acuson.com] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:57 PM To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recursively copying a directory - explain please. leegold wrote: > > Please explain what the difference is between copying > a directory vs. Recursively copying a directory. Copying a directory only copies the directory and the files contained within it. Recursively copying a directory does the same thing, and in addition, copies any subdirectories (also recursively). The following diagram may be useful /fubar/testone /fubar/testtwo /fubar/subdir /fubar/subdir/example /fubar/subdir/sample /fubar/subdir/newdir /fubar/subdir/newdir/adinfinitem A "cp /fubar/*" will only copy the first two items. A "cp -r /fubar/*" will copy all of the above items. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 8:42:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08E2037B43A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Exel@SpeakEasy.Net) Received: (qmail 47268 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2001 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO POWERHOUSE) ([216.27.144.120]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Aug 2001 15:42:44 -0000 From: "Alex Vargas" To: Subject: Custom Kernel Question Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Re: FreeBSD 4.3-Stable root@darkside.shadoworld:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DARKSIDE Sup, Newbies, I've been running FreeBSD for a couple of years now, and I still consider myself newbie to the whole experience. Mostly, I had the help of a friend who was a programmer and he pretty much helped me get my box up and stable from Day-1. Lately, my friend has gone M.I.A., and there are some key changes I need to make to my box: specifically I must enable multiple CPU support (I just upgraded the machine with another processor). So, my question is this: I know how to compile a customer kernel from scratch -- but what I would like to do is take my current kernel and use that one as a basis for the re-compile. Is there a way for me to either decompile and then recompile my current kernel, thereby preserving my current system settings. Or, better still, a way to extract the configs used at the time of compile and use those when I recompile. Any help in this is greatly appreciated. Thanks, in advance, for all your considerations. Peace. -Alex Vargas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 8:55:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3731C37B401 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5E2118EA; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944D218E9; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Alex Vargas Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom Kernel Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask all technical questions in -questions. That is what it is for. -newbies is for finding out WHERE to get help, or discuss -newbie related items. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 10: 1:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E0A37B405 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joncheng2000@yahoo.com) Received: from joncheng ([64.229.64.33]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010803170130.IZVR20283.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@joncheng> for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:01:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c11c3f$3c1c75a0$0200a8c0@joncheng> From: "Jon Cheng" To: References: Subject: Re: which window manager for xfree86 has most laptop support? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As the subject of the email sugguests, which x11-wm has the best laptop support? like battery remaining, high/medium/low cpu usage, etc? thanks, -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 11:32:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secfw2.sec.gov (mail.sec.gov [204.192.28.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFF937B401 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RothW@SEC.GOV) Received: by secfw2.sec.gov; id OAA06342; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:32 -0400 Received: from unknown(162.138.5.35) by secfw2.sec.gov via smap id xma006289; Fri, 3 Aug 01 14:32:13 -0400 Received: by HQ-SEC-MT1.sec.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Roth, William" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Custom Kernel Question Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Like many gnewbies (I add the g cuz I am new to Open Source unices, but not computers in general), much of what I did in the Windoze world was using word, excel, powerpoint, etc. I am familiarizing myself with the KDE office suite, and wondered if others who do desktop publishing type stuff would be willing to share their experiences and advice. I always have a lot of problems with printers (and sound cards). Do many people use CUPS? Do they find that they can get their desktop wordprocessing done well? I really like KDE and chose it over Gnome in large part because of Konqueror and Koffice. I am really not trying to start a flamewar, but curious about what experiences/thoughts other new users have. Bud -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:55 AM To: Alex Vargas Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom Kernel Question Please ask all technical questions in -questions. That is what it is for. -newbies is for finding out WHERE to get help, or discuss -newbie related items. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 11:38:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secfw2.sec.gov (mail.sec.gov [204.192.28.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0B637B403 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RothW@SEC.GOV) Received: by secfw2.sec.gov; id OAA07473; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:38:44 -0400 Received: from unknown(162.138.5.35) by secfw2.sec.gov via smap id xma007379; Fri, 3 Aug 01 14:38:04 -0400 Received: by HQ-SEC-MT1.sec.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:38:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Roth, William" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: wordprocessing & GUI choice Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:38:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I apologize for resending, but I forgot to change the subject and to turn off html. (My employer picked Outlook--not me!) Like many gnewbies (I add the g cuz I am new to Open Source unices, but not computers in general), much of what I did in the Windoze world was using word, excel, powerpoint, etc. I am familiarizing myself with the KDE office suite, and wondered if others who do desktop publishing type stuff would be willing to share their experiences and advice. I always have a lot of problems with printers (and sound cards). Do many people use CUPS? Do they find that they can get their desktop wordprocessing done well? I really like KDE and chose it over Gnome in large part because of Konqueror and Koffice. I am really not trying to start a flamewar, but curious about what experiences/thoughts other new users have. Bud -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:55 AM To: Alex Vargas Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom Kernel Question Please ask all technical questions in -questions. That is what it is for. -newbies is for finding out WHERE to get help, or discuss -newbie related items. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 11:56:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9322E37B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6D44; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:56:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3B6AF3E8.2B08EFEC@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:56:40 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roth, William" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: wordprocessing & GUI choice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Roth, William" wrote: > Like many gnewbies (I add the g cuz I am new to Open Source unices, but not > computers in general) ... Ha! The "G" generally refers to GNU, and not Open Source, and especially not FreeBSD. It seems rather incongrous calling yourself a "gnewbie" to FreeBSD :-) > ... I am familiarizing myself with the KDE office Hmmm, maybe you're a "knewbie!" > ...Do many people use CUPS? I haven't used it yet. It sounds interesting, and I suppose one of these days I will. KOffice isn't quite ready for the big time. There will be a 1.1 release soon, and it will be a lot closer then. In the meantime you can use StarOffice or Applix. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 12: 9:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (unknown [207.23.161.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852B837B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@bigfoot.com) Received: from darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [207.23.161.23]) by enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10650 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:09:45 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Freddie Cash Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wordprocessing & GUI choice Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:08:43 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080312084306.34840@darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On August 3, 2001 11:38 am, you wrote: > I apologize for resending, but I forgot to change the subject and to > turn off html. (My employer picked Outlook--not me!) Sure sure, that's what they all say. :) > Like many gnewbies (I add the g cuz I am new to Open Source unices, > but not computers in general), much of what I did in the Windoze > world was using word, excel, powerpoint, etc. I am familiarizing You poor poor soul. Having to suffer with MS Office like that. :) > myself with the KDE office suite, and wondered if others who do > desktop publishing type stuff would be willing to share their > experiences and advice. I always have a lot of problems with > printers (and sound cards). Do many people use CUPS? Do they find > that they can get their desktop wordprocessing done well? I really > like KDE and chose it over Gnome in large part because of Konqueror > and Koffice. I am really not trying to start a flamewar, but curious > about what experiences/thoughts other new users have. I don't do much DTP, but I do a lot of lesson writing, note taking, and=20 time-card/expense tracking using KOffice. KDE 2.1.1 is very nice, much=20 improved over KDE1. However, I have become very fond of WordPerfect 8=20 in Windows and have recently installed the Linux version of WordPerfect=20 8 on my FreeBSD box. As nice as KOffice is, nothing beats familiarity=20 with a product, and WordPerfect is my current preference. Haven't done anything with printing yet, although we have setup all our=20 Linux desktops to print via NetWare print servers. Used straight lpd=20 for that one. I chose KDE over GNOME mainly for the sense of completeness and=20 togetherness. There were just too many places to configure things in=20 GNOME that overlapped eachother. Plus, I really did not like the=20 Nautilus file manager. I also find that KDE is quicker and lighter on=20 my litle P-II 333. :) Now, if I could just figure out why KMail=20 crashes whenever I download more than 100 messages, taking KDE with it.=20 :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 12:25:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secfw2.sec.gov (mail.sec.gov [204.192.28.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52C537B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RothW@SEC.GOV) Received: by secfw2.sec.gov; id PAA17966; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:25:42 -0400 Received: from unknown(162.138.5.35) by secfw2.sec.gov via smap id xma017763; Fri, 3 Aug 01 15:24:46 -0400 Received: by HQ-SEC-MT1.sec.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:25:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Roth, William" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: wordprocessing & GUI choice Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I stand corrected. I am a knewbie, not gnewbie, as someone pointed out. :) I too felt that kde was a little more comprehensive than Gnome. Basically, printing gives me a headache. Now, if I could just figure out why KMail crashes whenever I download more than 100 messages, taking KDE with it. I don't have problems downloading 500+ emails with KMail--although I was running Debian with a Linux 2.4.x kernel, not FreeBSD. I have not used kmail on FreeBSD yet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 12:26:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DFC37B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id f73JQFR28183 ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts003d29.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d29.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.137]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA25568; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:24:06 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Unix skills at work In-Reply-To: <005301c11a52$3880f360$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is all the reply this one is worth. Duke On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:21:38 -0700 > From: Ted Mittelstaedt > To: ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Unix skills at work > > Boy, this guy is what Scott Adams modeled Wally on in Dilbert. > On one hand he says: > > >Ah, well... it seems like the really serious systems, they leave > >to me and don't bother me about it > > and on the other he says: > > >Philosophically, they're paying me a > >large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long > >run. > > That's the first time I've heard administration on "the really serious > systems" called "nothing beneficial in the long run" > > I think that most likely his superiors have just thrown up their hands > and decided that here's a guy who is valuable enough to keep around > because he knows some things very, very well, but he is never going to > transcend beyond that. He wants to pigeonholed and they have indulged > him. No wonder he is working in an enterprise environment, that's the > only kind of environment that is large enough to have little cubbyholes > here and there that need people stuffed into. > > The linotype operator story is an excuse. IT administration isn't a > repetitive clerical job. All your seeing here is a guy that has a lot > of experience that could be very valuable to everyone around him if > he just made a little effort to present it well - who has turned his > back to his organization and is selfishly unwilling to share it. Talk > about deserving the chance to make the same mistakes - did he ever ask > anyone if they wanted to have that chance? > > I don't see interesting symmetry here - I just see someone who is > representative of how depressing it can be made to be if your goal is > to make it depressing. What a waste. > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke > >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:58 PM > >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Unix skills at work > > > > > >Hi all. I know a rather rather skilled Unix fella. > >Recently asked him about his work. What he said follows. > >Thought some of you might be interested in some views > >of an engineer/admin who works within the enterprise > >environment. > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >Not much to say, really. It's work. Everyday, what weren't broken > >gets upgraded and broken. Philosophically, they're paying me a > >large amount of money to accomplish nothing beneficial in the long > >run. But I've come to understand that this is the way most of our > >educated professionals think. It is very clear, though, that > >they don't understand syllogistic logic. 'Course, I ain't been > >college educated, but I would have thought logic would be a > >prerequisite to computer science. Then again, if I had the benefit > >of an education, I might understand why it no longer applies. > > > >I am something of the problem child at (X-Company) -- I have > >trouble getting with the "program" and staying on the "same > >page." On one hand, I'm expected to think independently and be > >"pro-active." On the other, I'm tolerated and guided because I > >forget about the "vision" and cut straight to what works. They > >find that an annoyance, since it's "old-fashioned" and indicates > >a lack of innovative reasoning. > > > >In a way, though, it's worked out well. They tolerate me because > >my systems don't break and they keep me away from the visionary > >innovations because I can't get through my thick skull why they > >want broken (err... 'scuse me) innovative systems. > > > >Ah, well... it seems like the really serious systems, they leave > >to me and don't bother me about it -- and -- the pay checks have > >always cleared the bank, so far. So I would have to say that this > >is just another gig. > > > >I remember when the old linotype operators struggled with the > >"new" qwerty keyboard. Most couldn't make the transition. At the > >time, I couldn't understand why and figured it would never happen > >to me. As it turns out, it has happened to me. I won't be able or > >willing to make the transition to the new way of thinking. > >Mostly, I think, because I don't like it, don't respect it and > >have been there, done it. Still, it's their time in the sun and > >mine has passed -- they deserve the chance to repeat the same > >mistakes as I did. > > > >There is truly an interesting symmetry in all this. > > > >anonymous > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 12:29:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01D437B407 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA718; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:29:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3B6AFB93.3A124FE6@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:29:23 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roth, William" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wordprocessing & GUI choice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Roth, William" wrote: > Now, if I could just figure out why KMail > crashes whenever I download more than 100 messages, taking KDE with it. > > I don't have problems downloading 500+ emails with KMail--although I was > running Debian with a Linux 2.4.x kernel, not FreeBSD. I have not used > kmail on FreeBSD yet. Interesting. I haven't had any problems downloading 100+ emails with kmail under FreeBSD. But then again, it's not often that I get that many emails. I would do a search on the KDE mailing lists, freebsd-questions archive, and then if all else fails, ask in freebsd-questions (warning: high volume list). David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 13:19:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hatrack.unc.edu.ar (unknown [170.210.248.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA4F37B403 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hatrack.unc.edu.ar (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f73KIqZ21347 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:18:52 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07782 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:48:32 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:48:32 -0300 (ART) From: Maximiliano Eschoyez X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: Newbies Subject: Re: wordprocessing & GUI choice In-Reply-To: <01080312084306.34840@darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -> > Like many gnewbies (I add the g cuz I am new to Open Source unices, -> > but not computers in general), much of what I did in the Windoze -> > world was using word, excel, powerpoint, etc. I am familiarizing -> -> You poor poor soul. Having to suffer with MS Office like that. :) Yes, you can simulate differential equations in real time with a 486 box but you can use it for MS Orifice text processing. What's wrong? What I'm missing? I can't understand why MS soft is huge and sloooow ;-) I don't hate GUI applications but for wordprocessing I moved to LaTeX2e. I prefer to type text under a console en then produce the PostScript version. It's incredible how fast you can format a text in excellent quality without a lot of processing power. Regards, M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 19:10:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1023737B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f742A1l42643 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200108040210.f742A1l42643@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 19:27:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5D8137B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 02:27:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:26:13 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Microsoft bashers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many people on the internet. While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source software is still very bugged. If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work right... what do you expect! It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on a windows machine! Try playing that on a a Unix machine! Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than not having a clue! How about getting a life! Joel _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 20: 9:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A9F37B403 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id f7439GI12601 ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts004d01.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d01.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.157]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA00943; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 23:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:07:15 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: rayhicks Cc: "'Ted Mittelstaedt'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Unix skills at work In-Reply-To: <001601c11c54$e0cb6060$d5902799@sysenglt112> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, rayhicks wrote: > my only comment is : > > what is ones definition of a "rather skilled Unix fella"? One who configures and administers Sun & BSD OS's running on about 7 mil worth of hardware and processing data in support of contracts in the 3 mil range. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 20:11:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530C137B405 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@pandromeda.com) Received: from thorn.pandromeda.com ([210.54.116.186]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010804031127.KPUH525330.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@thorn.pandromeda.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 15:11:27 +1200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010804144700.00ba6428@pop3.xtra.co.nz> X-Sender: meda7@pop3.xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:10:42 +1200 To: joel2a@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Julian Peterson Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:26 3/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back >the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many >people on the internet. yeah uh huh. oh I forgot, Microsoft invented the GUI right? And the Internet too? Sure. >While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source >software is still very bugged. And Windows isn't? FreeBSD and Linux (and Unix in general) are far more stable than Windows. >If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work >right... what do you expect! >It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! They have work to be done on them, granted. The cool thing is work *is* being done on them... at a dizzing rate. Both of those desktop environments have come a long way very quickly, and personally I'd choose either over Windows any day. I find I'm much more productive because I can tailor my desktop to exactly the way I want. Windows doesn't work right... what can I do about that? >Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have >a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on >a windows machine! >Try playing that on a a Unix machine! I'm more of a Quake player myself... Games are one of things that will come as market share improves. As it is I've never felt like I'm missing out, but then I'm not much of a gamer. There's a bunch of solutions to that anyway... dual boot, wine, lokigames.com, and the PS2 >Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get >formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than >not having a clue! How about getting a life! I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. All I had to do was write, all of the formatting and layout was taken care of. I watched one guy struggle through with Word... after a few hundred pages with images it got so very very slow, and eventually corrupted itself. *shrug* If you want a GUI for latex, there's Lyx If you really really feel that you can't live without a GUI word processor, well there's Abiword, Wordperfect, Applix, Kword, and Staroffice (just off the top of my head). Julian. PS. For not wanting to bash anyone, you do a pretty lousy job. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 20:26:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3A6F37B405 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 03:26:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010803231933.00d5bb40@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:25:05 -0400 To: Julian Peterson From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010804144700.00ba6428@pop3.xtra.co.nz> References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Laff. I figured I'd get some flame responses but whatever. I think people would get along much better if they would just leave Microsoft in their corner and quit bashing them. They have their good points even if not always perfect. And I have an ISP business thanks to Windows NT. So if ya don't like Microsoft go write to your senator. End of story I'm not responding to anymore responses in this mailing list on that subject. Joel At 03:10 PM 8/4/01 +1200, you wrote: >At 22:26 3/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back >>the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as >>many people on the internet. > >yeah uh huh. oh I forgot, Microsoft invented the GUI right? And the >Internet too? Sure. > > >>While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source >>software is still very bugged. > >And Windows isn't? FreeBSD and Linux (and Unix in general) are far more >stable than Windows. > > >>If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work >>right... what do you expect! >>It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > >They have work to be done on them, granted. The cool thing is work *is* >being done on them... at a dizzing rate. Both of those desktop >environments have come a long way very quickly, and personally I'd choose >either over Windows any day. I find I'm much more productive because I >can tailor my desktop to exactly the way I want. > >Windows doesn't work right... what can I do about that? > > >>Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have >>a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on >>a windows machine! >>Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > >I'm more of a Quake player myself... > >Games are one of things that will come as market share improves. As it is >I've never felt like I'm missing out, but then I'm not much of a gamer. >There's a bunch of solutions to that anyway... dual boot, wine, >lokigames.com, and the PS2 > > >>Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get >>formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than >>not having a clue! How about getting a life! > >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. All I >had to do was write, all of the formatting and layout was taken care >of. I watched one guy struggle through with Word... after a few hundred >pages with images it got so very very slow, and eventually corrupted >itself. *shrug* > >If you want a GUI for latex, there's Lyx > >If you really really feel that you can't live without a GUI word >processor, well there's Abiword, Wordperfect, Applix, Kword, and >Staroffice (just off the top of my head). > > >Julian. > > >PS. For not wanting to bash anyone, you do a pretty lousy job. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 20:53:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8F7F37B405 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 03:53:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:52:44 -0400 To: Julian Peterson From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010804144700.00ba6428@pop3.xtra.co.nz> References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers. >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol Joel At 03:10 PM 8/4/01 +1200, you wrote: >At 22:26 3/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back >>the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as >>many people on the internet. > >yeah uh huh. oh I forgot, Microsoft invented the GUI right? And the >Internet too? Sure. > > >>While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source >>software is still very bugged. > >And Windows isn't? FreeBSD and Linux (and Unix in general) are far more >stable than Windows. > > >>If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work >>right... what do you expect! >>It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > >They have work to be done on them, granted. The cool thing is work *is* >being done on them... at a dizzing rate. Both of those desktop >environments have come a long way very quickly, and personally I'd choose >either over Windows any day. I find I'm much more productive because I >can tailor my desktop to exactly the way I want. > >Windows doesn't work right... what can I do about that? > > >>Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have >>a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on >>a windows machine! >>Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > >I'm more of a Quake player myself... > >Games are one of things that will come as market share improves. As it is >I've never felt like I'm missing out, but then I'm not much of a gamer. >There's a bunch of solutions to that anyway... dual boot, wine, >lokigames.com, and the PS2 > > >>Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get >>formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than >>not having a clue! How about getting a life! > >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. All I >had to do was write, all of the formatting and layout was taken care >of. I watched one guy struggle through with Word... after a few hundred >pages with images it got so very very slow, and eventually corrupted >itself. *shrug* > >If you want a GUI for latex, there's Lyx > >If you really really feel that you can't live without a GUI word >processor, well there's Abiword, Wordperfect, Applix, Kword, and >Staroffice (just off the top of my head). > > >Julian. > > >PS. For not wanting to bash anyone, you do a pretty lousy job. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 3 21: 8: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0961837B406 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@pandromeda.com) Received: from thorn.pandromeda.com ([210.54.116.186]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010804040758.KMYE479902.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@thorn.pandromeda.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:07:58 +1200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010804160538.02f8a678@pop3.xtra.co.nz> X-Sender: meda7@pop3.xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:07:58 +1200 To: joel2a@yahoo.com From: Julian Peterson Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010804144700.00ba6428@pop3.xtra.co.nz> <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:52 3/08/2001 -0400, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: >Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers. > > >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. > >lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol It's a mistake to confuse glitz with function. Then again it's a mistake to feed the trolls. *sigh* Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 2:19:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (unknown [199.29.68.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7420F37B405 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 02:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leegold@operamail.com) Received: from shavedham [207.172.128.205] (leegold@operamail.com) by operamail.com; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 05:18:02 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Sat, 4 Aug 01 05:18:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c11cc6$72f5d3a0$cd80accf@shavedham> From: "leegold" To: Cc: References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> <4.2.2.20010803231933.00d5bb40@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 05:18:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Obviously you're trolling for an OS War. You enjoying yourself Joel (is that really your name)? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Julian Peterson" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers > Laff. I figured I'd get some flame responses but whatever. > I think people would get along much better if they would just leave > Microsoft in their corner and quit bashing them. > They have their good points even if not always perfect. > And I have an ISP business thanks to Windows NT. So if ya don't like > Microsoft go write to your senator. > > End of story I'm not responding to anymore responses in this mailing list > on that subject. > > Joel > > At 03:10 PM 8/4/01 +1200, you wrote: > >At 22:26 3/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >>Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back > >>the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as > >>many people on the internet. > > > >yeah uh huh. oh I forgot, Microsoft invented the GUI right? And the > >Internet too? Sure. > > > > > >>While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > >>software is still very bugged. > > > >And Windows isn't? FreeBSD and Linux (and Unix in general) are far more > >stable than Windows. > > > > > >>If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work > >>right... what do you expect! > >>It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > > > >They have work to be done on them, granted. The cool thing is work *is* > >being done on them... at a dizzing rate. Both of those desktop > >environments have come a long way very quickly, and personally I'd choose > >either over Windows any day. I find I'm much more productive because I > >can tailor my desktop to exactly the way I want. > > > >Windows doesn't work right... what can I do about that? > > > > > >>Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have > >>a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on > >>a windows machine! > >>Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > > > >I'm more of a Quake player myself... > > > >Games are one of things that will come as market share improves. As it is > >I've never felt like I'm missing out, but then I'm not much of a gamer. > >There's a bunch of solutions to that anyway... dual boot, wine, > >lokigames.com, and the PS2 > > > > > >>Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > >>formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than > >>not having a clue! How about getting a life! > > > >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. All I > >had to do was write, all of the formatting and layout was taken care > >of. I watched one guy struggle through with Word... after a few hundred > >pages with images it got so very very slow, and eventually corrupted > >itself. *shrug* > > > >If you want a GUI for latex, there's Lyx > > > >If you really really feel that you can't live without a GUI word > >processor, well there's Abiword, Wordperfect, Applix, Kword, and > >Staroffice (just off the top of my head). > > > > > >Julian. > > > > > >PS. For not wanting to bash anyone, you do a pretty lousy job. > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 3: 1:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E10A37B428 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f74A0f894883; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "ML Duke" , "rayhicks" Cc: Subject: RE: Unix skills at work Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c11ccc$51a72860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't let the size of the weenie fool you with the power in it. John Roth, CEO and Clarence Chandran, COO or Nortel Networks were paid many millions of dollars in salary last year. However, despite their vaunted million-dollar business acumen, Notel announted a loss of 19.2 BILLION dollars second quarter. There is absolutely no coorelation between competence and the dollar value of the equipment that your responsible for. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:07 PM >To: rayhicks >Cc: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Unix skills at work > > >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, rayhicks wrote: > >> my only comment is : >> >> what is ones definition of a "rather skilled Unix fella"? > >One who configures and administers Sun & BSD OS's running >on about 7 mil worth of hardware and processing data in >support of contracts in the 3 mil range. > >Duke > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 6:56:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F6537B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15T1v0-0004WD-00; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 07:56:42 -0600 Received: from [166.70.9.20] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15T1uz-0000uT-00; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 07:56:42 -0600 From: Joe Warner To: joel2a@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:26:33 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080407555900.00263@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Normally, I wouldn't respond to such flame bait but I'd like to point out that WIN98 crashed on me for the 10th or was it the 20th time last night because my boy's Bird Hunter game couldn't handle DirectX 8. After the 2nd or third time of reinstalling the game, EXPLORER.EXE became corrupt and I had to reinstall my system files AGAIN so that I could successfully get to the desktop. Then I had to go back and reinstall the game AGAIN and install DirectX 7.0 to get it to work. I gladly forgo the lack of sophisticated gaming on FreeBSD as long as I don't have to deal with problems like that. I've installed application after application on FreeBSD and have NEVER had a problem. That's what I like about FreeBSD, should an app lock up, you just kill it and restart it. It doesn't take the whole damn OS down with it like Windows. I'd also like to point out that Windows wouldn't be the OS that it is without it's borrowed (I could use another word but I'll be nice) implementation of the BSD TCP/IP stack. Don't believe me? Get on any WIN95 machine, open the WINSOCK.DLL with Notepad and feast your eyes on the header! They also borrowed Kerberos for use in WIN2K. I have no idea why you thought there was Windows bashing going on and felt the need to send your troll bait to this list but I can honestly tell you that people don't usually discuss Windows topics here because it's a FreeBSD focused list. I keep Windows around mostly so my kids can play their games and use FreeBSD for more serious activities. Windows is fine but it does everything for you, it's expensive and it's closed. FreeBSD forces you to actually use your brain, is stable and best of all...it's FREE. On Fri, 03 Aug 2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back > the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many > people on the internet. > > While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > software is still very bugged. > > If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work right... > what do you expect! > It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > > Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have a > clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on a > windows machine! > Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > > Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than > not having a clue! How about getting a life! > > Joel > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Joe Warner Daemon News Bringing BSD Together Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 7:58:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.ravenet.com (unknown [63.250.63.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F1A37B403 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bud@ravenet.com) Received: from eerie ([128.175.145.21]) by shrike.ravenet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-55144U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:15:38 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: bud@ravenet.com (Bud Roth) To: Joe Warner , joel2a@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 06:59:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> <01080407555900.00263@blackmirror.xmission.com> In-Reply-To: <01080407555900.00263@blackmirror.xmission.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080406591300.00403@eerie> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, my dissatisfaction with Microsoft is not about the quality of their software, but two things: First, the proprietary approach to software design leaves computer savvy individuals unable to inspect the code--a barrier to learning and to the progress of computer science. There is nothing _wrong_ with this, but I would rather use products that provide the opportunity for those able to take advantage of it to inspect the code. FreeBSD does that, so I am using it. It is not buggy at all. It is a full fledged operating system. FreeBSD/Linux gui's are a different matter--but they are not necessary to running a server or many useful services that these OSs are popular for. I may have some bugs in them, but my experience is about the same as with Windows--an occasional crash. I also think MS Office is the best product in its field, but even so, I'd rather switch to Koffice. Why? The reason is my second dissatisfaction: Because MS has done things that are wrong: As affirmed by the appellate court, the federal district judge hearing the MS case found that MS engaged in various monopolistic practices designed to squelch competition. This hurts innovation, pricing, and ultimately the consumer. MS was warned about its anti-competitve practices in the media and by the DOJ. It chose to continue its illegal practices and disregard the laws that apply to all of us. That puts them in the same category as the warez dealers--a software vendor making illegal profits. For this reason, I feel it worthwhile to avoid using MS products. If you enjoy them, that is fine. I don't have a bone to pick with people that have thought thru these issues and come down in favor of using MS products. It is a free world. I just want to make it a free software world. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 8:21:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ren-5.cais.net (ren-5.cais.net [205.252.14.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154A537B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stavros@cais.com) Received: from keinzeit ([205.252.222.226]) by ren-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f74FL9x02827 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c11cf9$1abfdae0$9865fea9@keinzeit> From: "stavros" To: References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> <01080407555900.00263@blackmirror.xmission.com> <01080406591300.00403@eerie> Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:21:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this a Linux group now? I used to be in a Linux group but they never discussed Linux; they discussed Microsoft. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 8:36:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63FF37B401; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaxCode4u@home.com) Received: from ci744227a ([24.248.250.163]) by femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010804153608.HNJF15269.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@ci744227a>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:36:08 -0700 Message-ID: <00c001c11cfb$42b0b310$a3faf818@ci744227a> From: "Jason Dodson" To: , Subject: Installing FreeBSD on machine with Win2K Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:36:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C11CD1.59853810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jason Dodson" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C11CD1.59853810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am installing FreeBSD on a machine that has 3 Harddrives. =20 hd0 - Win2k Boot info (ntdlr, boot.ini, etc...) hd1 - FreeBSD=20 hd2 - Win2k Pro (existing) Now, after I install I want to continue to use the Win2k boot manager = rather than the FreeBSD bootManager. What are the lines I need to put = in the boot.ini for Win2k so I can have an option to select FreeBSD? =20 Thanks Jason ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C11CD1.59853810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am installing FreeBSD on a machine = that has 3=20 Harddrives. 
hd0 - Win2k Boot info (ntdlr, boot.ini, = etc...)
hd1 - FreeBSD
hd2 - Win2k Pro (existing)
 
Now, after I install I want to continue = to use the=20 Win2k boot manager rather than the FreeBSD bootManager.  What are = the lines=20 I need to put in the boot.ini
for Win2k so I can have an option to = select=20 FreeBSD? 
 
Thanks
 
 
Jason
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C11CD1.59853810-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 9:50:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426837B401; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageone (ppp-208-191-234-136.dialup.crchtx.swbell.net [208.191.234.136]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17712; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:50:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010804115044.00ea22f8@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:50:44 -0500 To: "Jason Dodson" , , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on machine with Win2K In-Reply-To: <00c001c11cfb$42b0b310$a3faf818@ci744227a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ...try: c:\free.bsd="FreeBSD 4.3" (in place of "c" of course use whatever is yours...." At 10:36 AM 8.4.2001 -0500, Jason Dodson wrote: >>>> ArialI am installing FreeBSD on a machine that has 3 Harddrives. hd0 - Win2k Boot info (ntdlr, boot.ini, etc...) hd1 - FreeBSD hd2 - Win2k Pro (existing) ArialNow, after I install I want to continue to use the Win2k boot manager rather than the FreeBSD bootManager. What are the lines I need to put in the boot.ini for Win2k so I can have an option to select FreeBSD? ArialThanks ArialJason <<<<<<<< Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 10:29:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1038D37B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15T5F0-0005xe-00; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:29:34 -0600 Received: from [166.70.9.61] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15T5Ey-0001bf-00; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:29:33 -0600 From: Joe Warner To: joel2a@yahoo.com, Julian Peterson Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:16:08 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> <4.2.2.20010803231933.00d5bb40@pop.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803231933.00d5bb40@pop.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080411285100.00445@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 03 Aug 2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > Laff. I figured I'd get some flame responses but whatever. Pheh, what did you expect? You falsly accused members of this list of rampant Microsoft bashing. FWIW, and I think I can safely speak for everyone, we've got better things to do than sit around and bash Microsoft. > I think people would get along much better if they would just leave > Microsoft in their corner and quit bashing them. Again..(see response above) > They have their good points even if not always perfect. Agreed and may I point out that even Microsoft likes FreeBSD. This is why Microsoft's Hotmail.com still uses FreeBSD for their DNS servers and why they have recently announced that they will be including specific BSD components in their .NET initiative. > And I have an ISP business thanks to Windows NT. So if ya don't like > Microsoft go write to your senator. Again...(see first response) > > End of story I'm not responding to anymore responses in this mailing list > on that subject. Good! Here's some advice..why don't you post your flame bait on a Windows mailing list? You'll probably get more people to agree with you. Joe > > Joel > > At 03:10 PM 8/4/01 +1200, you wrote: > >At 22:26 3/08/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >>Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back > >>the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as > >>many people on the internet. > > > >yeah uh huh. oh I forgot, Microsoft invented the GUI right? And the > >Internet too? Sure. > > > > > >>While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > >>software is still very bugged. > > > >And Windows isn't? FreeBSD and Linux (and Unix in general) are far more > >stable than Windows. > > > > > >>If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work > >>right... what do you expect! > >>It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > > > >They have work to be done on them, granted. The cool thing is work *is* > >being done on them... at a dizzing rate. Both of those desktop > >environments have come a long way very quickly, and personally I'd choose > >either over Windows any day. I find I'm much more productive because I > >can tailor my desktop to exactly the way I want. > > > >Windows doesn't work right... what can I do about that? > > > > > >>Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have > >>a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on > >>a windows machine! > >>Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > > > >I'm more of a Quake player myself... > > > >Games are one of things that will come as market share improves. As it is > >I've never felt like I'm missing out, but then I'm not much of a gamer. > >There's a bunch of solutions to that anyway... dual boot, wine, > >lokigames.com, and the PS2 > > > > > >>Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > >>formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than > >>not having a clue! How about getting a life! > > > >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. All I > >had to do was write, all of the formatting and layout was taken care > >of. I watched one guy struggle through with Word... after a few hundred > >pages with images it got so very very slow, and eventually corrupted > >itself. *shrug* > > > >If you want a GUI for latex, there's Lyx > > > >If you really really feel that you can't live without a GUI word > >processor, well there's Abiword, Wordperfect, Applix, Kword, and > >Staroffice (just off the top of my head). > > > > > >Julian. > > > > > >PS. For not wanting to bash anyone, you do a pretty lousy job. > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Joe Warner Daemon News Bringing BSD Together Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 12:18:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-2.enteract.com (smtp-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B57637B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@markemmanuel.org) Received: from [147.126.50.163] (unknown [147.126.50.163]) by smtp-2.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F20679F; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:18:47 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 14:19:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers From: markemmanuel To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All I've got to say about the GUI, if you don't like UNIXish Oses, is MacOS. Then again, you probably hate MacOS too. I'd rather play with KDE or GNOME than work in a Windows environment. If it wasn't for FreeBSD, you wouldn't have a Yahoo account. If it weren't for *nix, we'd have strong backbone for the internet. We have lives so we don't waste our time playing Everquest. Not really to bash you but I think people don't have a clue themselves. You really don't have any clue what you are talking about yourself. Some of you *nix bashers are worse than not having a clue. Why are you even on this FreeBSD list? Get a clue and get a life! markemmanuel Quoted from the Book of joel2a@yahoo.com Ch 6:7-13 on 8/3/01 9:26 PM: > Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back > the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many > people on the internet. > > While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > software is still very bugged. > > If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work right... > what do you expect! > It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > > Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have a > clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on a > windows machine! > Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > > Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than > not having a clue! How about getting a life! > > Joel > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 13:10: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DE937B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@bigfoot.com) Received: from darkside (dial-21.ocis.net [209.52.173.53]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29142; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:09:52 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: joel2a@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:03:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B6BF288.10559.897726E@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Aug 2001, at 22:26, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be > back the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not > be as many people on the internet. And the problem with that would be? :) > While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > software is still very bugged. And MS products are not? At least with OSS you can fix the bug yourself, or write up really nice bug reports, and check the current status of the bug database. Unless you are multi-million dollar customer, there's very little chance of that happening at MS. > If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work > right... what do you expect! It's open source and why don't you learn > C and fix it yourself! Yeah, I know. That why I said, "Now, if only *I could figure out* why ..." I wasn't complaining, I was just mumbling about not being able to figure it out yet. You have to be carfeul about not taking something out of context like this. > Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't > have a clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or > Everquest on a windows machine! Try playing that on a a Unix machine! What does playing games and bashing MS have in common? When did you see anyone bashing MS on this list? And why would I try to play a Windows-only game on Unix? I might as well try to shoot myself in the foot, it'd be a lot easier. Besides, I prefer the old-school RPGs where you actually had to think and use your imagination. :) but, that's just me. > Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse > than not having a clue! How about getting a life! What's wrong with using the tool that best suits you? Me, I liked using Wordstar, WordPrefect, and MultiMate in DOS. I also liked MS Works 3 for Windows, and still like WordPerfect 8+ for Windows AND Unix. Everybody has to use the tools they are most comfortable with. Which is the nice thing about the Unix/OSS world: there's an abundant array of choices. Not so in the Windows world. Unless you really like bashing your head against the wall. :) Personnally, I think you need to cut back on the caffeine, alcohol, and late nights. :) There's nothing wrong with healthy discussion and debate. However, making blanket statements like the above is not, and can very easily get you in trouble, banned, or otherwise ostracised from the community. Now, how did a healthy conversation about people's preferences for GUI environments and wordprocessors turn into an "MS bad! No, MS good!" shouting match?? :) Cheers, Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com Reject complexity, embrace simplicity, and leave your ego at the door. - Colonel Kernel @ http://dualboot.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 13:17:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C213237B405 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 843BA18EA; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7426418E9; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Freddie Cash Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <3B6BF288.10559.897726E@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And MS products are not? At least with OSS you can fix the bug > yourself, or write up really nice bug reports, and check the current > status of the bug database. Unless you are multi-million dollar > customer, there's very little chance of that happening at MS. Umm... I work for Lockheed-Martin doing tech support for Nike. We have at least 15 KNOWN bug reports with Microsoft right now. The oldest one is almost 3 years old now. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 13:29:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DCF37B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id f74KTFI00400 ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts006d31.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d31.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.43]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA16790; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 13:27:08 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: rayhicks , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Unix skills at work In-Reply-To: <003a01c11ccc$51a72860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: The below is true. Forgot to mention my guy could have acquired perfectly good hardware for about 2.5 mill, and saved many thousands on software as well, but all was there upon his arrival. He's good, pal. Real good. Not much you can do about that. your: you're (you are) Duke > There is absolutely no coorelation between competence and the > dollar value of the equipment that your responsible for. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 14:57:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zachary.ucsf.EDU (zachary.ucsf.edu [128.218.240.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B63EE37B401; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney454@myrealbox.com) Received: from melanie.ucsf.edu. by zachary.ucsf.EDU (4.1/GSC4.24) id AA10065; Sat, 4 Aug 01 14:41:48 PDT Received: from smtp.myrealbox.com by melanie.ucsf.edu. 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Processed in 0.611957 secs); 04 Aug 2001 23:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 4 Aug 2001 23:30:04 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010805013833.02008c48@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:39:14 +0200 To: newbies@freebsd.org From: Cynic Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: References: <3B6BF288.10559.897726E@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This thread is really very uninteresting. Please, guys, be so kind, and let it die. At 22:17 8/4/2001, Rick Hamell wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >> And MS products are not? At least with OSS you can fix the bug >> yourself, or write up really nice bug reports, and check the current >> status of the bug database. Unless you are multi-million dollar >> customer, there's very little chance of that happening at MS. > > Umm... I work for Lockheed-Martin doing tech support for Nike. We >have at least 15 KNOWN bug reports with Microsoft right now. The oldest >one is almost 3 years old now. > > Rick > >******************************************************************* >Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd >Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com >***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------end of quote------ cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 17:56:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19E6C37B405 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 00:56:26 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010804205244.00c6f990@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 20:55:26 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010805013833.02008c48@mail.cz> References: <3B6BF288.10559.897726E@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rofl I did not even post that for trolling or flame bait. A whole zoo needs to be built for the peanut gallery! But since someone said I was trolling, come to think of it, a troll could get fat around here! lol At 01:39 AM 8/5/01 +0200, you wrote: >This thread is really very uninteresting. Please, guys, be so >kind, and let it die. > >At 22:17 8/4/2001, Rick Hamell wrote the following: >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> And MS products are not? At least with OSS you can fix the bug > >> yourself, or write up really nice bug reports, and check the current > >> status of the bug database. Unless you are multi-million dollar > >> customer, there's very little chance of that happening at MS. > > > > Umm... I work for Lockheed-Martin doing tech support for Nike. We > >have at least 15 KNOWN bug reports with Microsoft right now. The oldest > >one is almost 3 years old now. > > > > Rick > > > >******************************************************************* > >Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > >Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com > >***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >------end of quote------ > > >cynic@mail.cz >------------- >And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files >were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. > - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 18:14:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from death.arcdiv.com (death.arcdiv.com [64.94.4.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DB437B403 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@ticktockman.com) Received: from ticktockman.com (c207-202-216-52.sea1.cablespeed.com [207.202.216.52]) by death.arcdiv.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f751Dwv15151 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6C9E8B.8AA7DAEF@ticktockman.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 18:16:59 -0700 From: kevin godfrey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) References: <3B6BF288.10559.897726E@localhost> <4.2.2.20010804205244.00c6f990@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On a somewhat relevant tangent... More of a newbie history question... can someone explain or point me in the right direction to a book or webpage that explains how the BSD TCP/IP stack became part of Windows? I'm curious to know that history. Thanks! p.s. - Let the NT admin go... he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him, and we know we don't bash. joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > > rofl > I did not even post that for trolling or flame bait. > A whole zoo needs to be built for the peanut gallery! > But since someone said I was trolling, come to think of it, a troll could > get fat around here! lol > > At 01:39 AM 8/5/01 +0200, you wrote: > >This thread is really very uninteresting. Please, guys, be so > >kind, and let it die. > > -- kevin "plastic fruit for a starving nation" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 22:59:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drake.host4u.net (drake.host4u.net [216.71.64.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E86137B401; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsddiary@drake.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by drake.host4u.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04682; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:07:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 01:07:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200108050607.BAA04682@drake.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-07-15 - 2001-08-04 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-newbies and freebsd-questions with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 2-Aug : Welcome to the new box New face lift, new features, same great content http://freebsddiary.org/face-lift.php?2 30-Jul : Upcoming changes Read what's in store... http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010730.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 4 23:18:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web13609.mail.yahoo.com (web13609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E092837B401 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bzdik@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010805061821.18236.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.16.193.228] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:18:21 PDT Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 23:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bzdik BSD Subject: RE: Unix skills at work To: Ted Mittelstaedt , ML Duke , rayhicks Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <003a01c11ccc$51a72860$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it Clarence who is heavily doped all the time and the whole Nortel knows that? Saw him trying to make a speech in Dallas a year ago... before the crash. --- Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Don't let the size of the weenie fool you with the power in it. > > John Roth, CEO and Clarence Chandran, COO or Nortel Networks were > paid many millions of dollars in salary last year. However, despite > their vaunted million-dollar business acumen, Notel announted a > loss of 19.2 BILLION dollars second quarter. > > There is absolutely no coorelation between competence and the > dollar value of the equipment that your responsible for. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate > Networker's Guide > Book website: > http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke > >Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:07 PM > >To: rayhicks > >Cc: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: RE: Unix skills at work > > > > > >On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, rayhicks wrote: > > > >> my only comment is : > >> > >> what is ones definition of a "rather skilled Unix fella"? > > > >One who configures and administers Sun & BSD OS's running > >on about 7 mil worth of hardware and processing data in > >support of contracts in the 3 mil range. > > > >Duke > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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