From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 0:11:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C38E937B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Greenmantis@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 3273 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2001 07:11:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 3263 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2001 07:11:46 -0000 Received: from 63-225-87-228.customers.uswest.net (HELO nickswin2kbox) (63.225.87.228) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 07:11:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c11d7d$f054eea0$0200000a@nickswin2kbox> From: "Nick Turner" To: , References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:12:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Microsoft bashers > Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back > the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many > people on the internet. > > While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source > software is still very bugged. > > If anyone is wondering why KDE or Kthis or gnome that doesn't work right... > what do you expect! > It's open source and why don't you learn C and fix it yourself! > > Not really to bash anyone but I think Microsoft bashers really don't have a > clue themselves and I kinda like playing Asheron's Call or Everquest on a > windows machine! > Try playing that on a a Unix machine! > > Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get > formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than > not having a clue! How about getting a life! > > Joel Well I have a few things to say in reply to your message. First of all FreeBSD was never designed to be a game console for teenage kids to play silly internet games on. You are quite obviously very new to the FreeBSD OS. If you think that FreeBSD is buggy in comparison to Windows then a few things come to my mind. A) you're a idiot that has no life and likes to play Ashron's Call. B) Hasn't taken the time to notice that FreeBSD is running on the worlds busiest web servers in the world including Hotmail [Which I might add is owned now by Microsoft and yet STILL runs FreeBSD!! I guess they knew their own OS couldn't handle it!!]Yahoo, Digital River, Geocities etc. As for Unix software being buggy, well sometimes you get what you pay for... But I can't tell you the number of times that I have bought a $50 piece of software for Windows and have it screw up everything. (Yes I use Winblows 2KPro... but only as necessary. I am striving to become FreeBSD Wizard. Just an Apprentice at the moment.) Never had that happen with FreeBSD. Now I won't say that Windows is totally useless or insecure just mostly and mostly. Looks pretty though.Unless you are running Win2K, NT, or XP it has security holes in it big enough to drive a mining dump truck through. And next you'll be telling me that you can run personal firewalls to help patch Windows deficiencies. That is a little like sticking the bank guard in the vault and expect him to do perimeter patrol. By the time the thief has broke into the vault, it's a little late to arrest him. Whoopee, the guard detected him. Too late... My own personal opinion... If you want to play games on Unix go play in the Linux sandbox with the other kiddies. (Good luck trying to figure out which one of the six billion releases is going to work for you though.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 0:19:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from k0r3.reflektor.cz (k0r3.reflektor.cz [212.24.129.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB0CF37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 00:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cynic@mail.cz) Received: (qmail 32198 invoked by uid 204); 5 Aug 2001 07:19:28 -0000 Received: from cynic@mail.cz by k0r3.reflektor.cz with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.504885 secs); 05 Aug 2001 07:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 07:19:27 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010805092731.02b5f8e8@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 09:28:37 +0200 To: "Nick Turner" , , From: Cynic Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <000b01c11d7d$f054eea0$0200000a@nickswin2kbox> References: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This one was actually a fine example of MS- and Linux-bashing. Pitty. At 09:12 8/5/2001, Nick Turner wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >Well I have a few things to say in reply to your message. First of all >FreeBSD was never designed to be a game console for teenage kids to play >silly internet games on. You are quite obviously very new to the FreeBSD OS. >If you think that FreeBSD is buggy in comparison to Windows then a few >things come to my mind. A) you're a idiot that has no life and likes to play >Ashron's Call. B) Hasn't taken the time to notice that FreeBSD is running on >the worlds busiest web servers in the world including Hotmail [Which I might >add is owned now by Microsoft and yet STILL runs FreeBSD!! I guess they knew >their own OS couldn't handle it!!]Yahoo, Digital River, Geocities etc. As >for Unix software being buggy, well sometimes you get what you pay for... >But I can't tell you the number of times that I have bought a $50 piece of >software for Windows and have it screw up everything. (Yes I use Winblows >2KPro... but only as necessary. I am striving to become FreeBSD Wizard. Just >an Apprentice at the moment.) Never had that happen with FreeBSD. Now I >won't say that Windows is totally useless or insecure just mostly and >mostly. Looks pretty though.Unless you are running Win2K, NT, or XP it has >security holes in it big enough to drive a mining dump truck through. And >next you'll be telling me that you can run personal firewalls to help patch >Windows deficiencies. That is a little like sticking the bank guard in the >vault and expect him to do perimeter patrol. By the time the thief has broke >into the vault, it's a little late to arrest him. Whoopee, the guard >detected him. Too late... > >My own personal opinion... If you want to play games on Unix go play in the >Linux sandbox with the other kiddies. (Good luck trying to figure out which >one of the six billion releases is going to work for you though.) cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 9: 5: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hatrack.unc.edu.ar (unknown [170.210.248.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C369637B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hatrack.unc.edu.ar (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f75G4Nq15972 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:04:23 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09123; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:34:38 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:34:37 -0300 (ART) From: Maximiliano Eschoyez X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: joel2a@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803221311.00cb62e0@mail.intwebservices.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -> Well I just have to say that if there wasn't Windows we would all be back -> the days of console prompt typing and there certainly would not be as many -> people on the internet. I'm not saying that Windows isn't good. I think that Mr Gates let lots of people to have a computer at office/home with a relatively simple OS. -> While Unix is good and freebsd is cool to have much of the open source -> software is still very bugged. Microsoft's products still very bugged and are commercial ones. -> Word processing in a console and putting it through Postscript to get -> formatting! GIVE ME A BREAK! Some of you Microsoft bashers are worse than -> not having a clue! How about getting a life! Sorry, but you never tried to have very high quality with a slow machine. Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box, this is having a life. I'm not a Microsoft basher, I only like systems that follow KISS (Keep It Short and Simple). Of course, I work with video compression and I need graphical systems, but I still preferring text terminals Regards, M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 9:12:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hatrack.unc.edu.ar (unknown [170.210.248.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFAA37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hatrack.unc.edu.ar (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f75GBmM16552 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:11:48 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09137; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:42:03 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:42:03 -0300 (ART) From: Maximiliano Eschoyez X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: joel2a@yahoo.com Cc: Julian Peterson , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -> Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers. -> -> >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. -> -> lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under Un*x. I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are all written in the same way. If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. What's the problem? M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 9:44:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CAB37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaxCode4u@home.com) Received: from ci744227a ([24.248.250.163]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010805164438.FKUH16795.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@ci744227a> for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:44:38 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c11dce$00b2c970$a3faf818@ci744227a> From: "Jason Dodson" To: Subject: Win2k then FreeBSD Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:45:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C11DA4.178EC880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jason Dodson" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C11DA4.178EC880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want = then to install Win2k? correct?=20 Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it = possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the = FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? Thanks Jason HaxCode4u@home.com ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C11DA4.178EC880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard = drives and=20 start fresh.....
 
It is best to install FreeBSD with = BootManager on=20 whatever drive on want then to install Win2k?  = correct? 
 
Just checking....I  know that = Win2k writes=20 over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install=20 FreeBSD?  and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both = OS's?
 
Thanks
 
 
Jason
 
 
HaxCode4u@home.com
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C11DA4.178EC880-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 9:49:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from k0r3.reflektor.cz (k0r3.reflektor.cz [212.24.129.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C684437B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cynic@mail.cz) Received: (qmail 16985 invoked by uid 202); 5 Aug 2001 16:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 16:49:42 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010805185532.01e99878@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:58:53 +0200 To: "Jason Dodson" , From: Cynic Subject: Re: Win2k then FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <002301c11dce$00b2c970$a3faf818@ci744227a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org NT should not wipe out your MBR. win9x does it, but not NT AFAIK. anyway, (not that I have any experience with dualbooting NT and FreeBSD) the recommended practice is to install windows first, FreeBSD after that. It is my understanding that the most common practice is what you describe (i. e. using the FreeBSD boot manager to switch between OS's. do you plan to install each system on a separate disk, or on one disk (different partitions)? At 18:45 8/5/2001, Jason Dodson wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... > >It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want then to install Win2k? correct? > >Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? > >Thanks > > >Jason > > >HaxCode4u@home.com ------end of quote------ cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 9:54:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8849937B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaxCode4u@home.com) Received: from ci744227a ([24.248.250.163]) by femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010805165447.IJXR26098.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@ci744227a>; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:54:47 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c11dcf$6bd34c10$a3faf818@ci744227a> From: "Jason Dodson" To: "Cynic" Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010805185532.01e99878@mail.cz> Subject: Re: Win2k then FreeBSD Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:55:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jason Dodson" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I plan to install on different disk. See win you install with WinME or Win2k the bootloader automatically catches whatever previous OS you may have on the machine (if you are not upgrading) and assigns it to the bootmanager. I know that FreeBSD does not do this automatically...I am just trying to decide which would be easier to do for now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynic" To: "Jason Dodson" ; Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Win2k then FreeBSD > NT should not wipe out your MBR. win9x does it, but not NT AFAIK. > anyway, (not that I have any experience with dualbooting NT and > FreeBSD) the recommended practice is to install windows first, > FreeBSD after that. > It is my understanding that the most common practice is what you > describe (i. e. using the FreeBSD boot manager to switch between > OS's. > do you plan to install each system on a separate disk, or on one > disk (different partitions)? > > At 18:45 8/5/2001, Jason Dodson wrote the following: > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... > > > >It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want then to install Win2k? correct? > > > >Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? > > > >Thanks > > > > > >Jason > > > > > >HaxCode4u@home.com > ------end of quote------ > > > cynic@mail.cz > ------------- > And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files > were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. > - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 10: 1:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEB437B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageone (ppp-208-191-234-169.dialup.crchtx.swbell.net [208.191.234.169]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11806; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:01:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010805120142.00ebd550@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 12:01:42 -0500 To: "Jason Dodson" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: Win2k then FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <002301c11dce$00b2c970$a3faf818@ci744227a> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, install Win2K first and then FreeBSD and the easy boot will do the job for both partitions.... At 11:45 AM 8.5.2001 -0500, Jason Dodson wrote: >>>> ArialOk, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... ArialIt is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want then to install Win2k? correct? ArialJust checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? ArialThanks ArialJason ArialHaxCode4u@home.com <<<<<<<< Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 10:42:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD6C37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ITServices@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from aliorhan ([62.30.68.143]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:42:36 +0100 From: "Stuart Duckworth" To: Maximiliano Eschoyez , Julian Peterson , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, joel2a@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:43:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Reply-To: ITServices@cableinet.co.uk References: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <076f63642170581PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Aug 01, at 13:42, Maximiliano Eschoyez wrote: > > Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under > Un*x. > I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working > with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are > all written in the same way. > > If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > What's the problem? > Hello, I'd like to thank you Maximiliano for putting some politeness into this thread. My heart sank when its tone began to run into the usual personal insults and downright rudeness that characterise such so called 'flame wars.' If we, who think that open-source and free software are the key to developing the strength and capacity of ICT, can not rise above petty insults, how are we ever going to persuade the rest of the world that we are right and that the commercial houses should expose their code to public scrutiny? Let's keep it more friendly and more reasonable, please. Stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 10:44:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F9237B403; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@ohio.com) Received: from ohio.com (a1-1c148.neo.rr.com [24.93.162.148]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f75HedL01292; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6D85F2.54F59105@ohio.com> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 13:44:18 -0400 From: Jim Arnold Reply-To: jim@ohio.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-07-15 - 2001-08-04 References: <200108050607.BAA04682@drake.host4u.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is it just me or are the fonts now so small on The FreeBSD Diary that the text is unreadable? The old site was fine on my current setup with netscape linux 4.77, X 4.01, KDE, etc running at 1024 with netscape running helvetic at 14 pt. on a 15" monitor. Dan Langille wrote: > > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples > and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-newbies > and freebsd-questions with the aim of letting people know what's > available on the website. Before you post a question here it might > be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives > > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > These are the articles posted during this period: > > 2-Aug : Welcome to the new box > New face lift, new features, same great content > http://freebsddiary.org/face-lift.php?2 > > 30-Jul : Upcoming changes > Read what's in store... > http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010730.php?2 > > -- > Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited > The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples > FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Jim Arnold, Ohio.com Site Administrator jim@ohio.com, (o) 330.253.9524 (c) 330.730.0797 I'm currently running FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE which has been up for 9 days as of 08/05/01 01:30:00 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 11:18:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3356637B401; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parv@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([32.100.199.98]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010805181847.MFBT12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:18:47 +0000 Received: by worldnet.att.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 73FD350D5E; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:18:46 -0400 From: parv To: Jim Arnold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-07-15 - 2001-08-04 Message-ID: <20010805141846.A23170@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Jim Arnold , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200108050607.BAA04682@drake.host4u.net> <3B6D85F2.54F59105@ohio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B6D85F2.54F59105@ohio.com>; from jim@ohio.com on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 01:44:18PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this was, on the fateful occasion around Aug 05 13:44 -0400, sent by Jim Arnold > > is it just me or are the fonts now so small > on The FreeBSD Diary that the text is unreadable? > The old site was fine on my current setup with netscape > linux 4.77, X 4.01, KDE, etc running at 1024 with > netscape running helvetic at 14 pt. on a 15" monitor. > > Dan Langille wrote: > > ... > > These are the articles posted during this period: > > > > 2-Aug : Welcome to the new box > > New face lift, new features, same great content > > http://freebsddiary.org/face-lift.php?2 nope, you are not alone; if i allow fonts & stylesheet to take control, i also suffer from the same "improvement". then again i don't just for this reason... you never know when some designer in their infinite wisdom still specifies unreadable font sizes ... if you must know, i use georgia 18pt "netscape" encoding on 1024x768 pixels on 15" screen w/ netscape... also, there is a thread going on on this topic "tiny fonts" in the "reader's forum" on the freebsd diary... enjoy (: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 11:37:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF7A37B401; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parv@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([32.100.199.98]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010805183715.MKTO12706.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:37:15 +0000 Received: by worldnet.att.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 78BF150D5E; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:37:14 -0400 From: parv Cc: Jim Arnold , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-07-15 - 2001-08-04 Message-ID: <20010805143714.A55817@moo.holy.cow> References: <200108050607.BAA04682@drake.host4u.net> <3B6D85F2.54F59105@ohio.com> <20010805141846.A23170@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010805141846.A23170@moo.holy.cow>; from parv@worldnet.att.net on Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 02:18:46PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sorry; i sent the mail w/ incorrect address... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 12:10:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06D0D37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 2282 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2001 19:10:36 -0000 Received: from pd4b9ee94.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO kiste) (212.185.238.148) by mail.gmx.net (mail01) with SMTP; 5 Aug 2001 19:10:36 -0000 Message-ID: <00ee01c11de2$6ed5bc00$0408a8c0@localdomain> From: "Michael Nottebrock" To: "Rich Haney" , "Craig Rose" Cc: References: <022d01c11b69$bfa87990$0100a8c0@ezonichome> <20010802120336.A8669@haneys.net> Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:07:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Haney" Subject: Re: Setting up a DNS server > You'll need BIND, of course. It's nicely self-contained, so most other > non-essential packages can be eliminated. You shouldn't need any real > heavy-duty hardware if this is going to be the primary function - 500 MHz, > 128-256MB RAM and a good drive. > [...] As an alternative to the Buggy Internet Name Daemon, you could run the djbdns tools. Information about these can be found at http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html Greetings, Michael Nottebrock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 16:20:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp1fb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC3C37B403 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@blinx.net) Received: (apparently) from equinox ([24.168.44.136]) by nyc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:20:24 -0400 From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: , "'Maximiliano Eschoyez'" , "'Julian Peterson'" , , Subject: RE: Microsoft bashers Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c11e05$439ce4f0$8701a8c0@equinox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <076f63642170581PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stuart, I totally agree with you on that one. Maximiliano, thanks for that thread of politeness and decency :) -- Jonathan -- Jonathan M. Slivko Blinx Networks, Inc. http://www.blinx.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Stuart Duckworth Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 1:43 PM To: Maximiliano Eschoyez; Julian Peterson; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers On 5 Aug 01, at 13:42, Maximiliano Eschoyez wrote: > > Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under > Un*x. > I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working > with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are > all written in the same way. > > If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > What's the problem? > Hello, I'd like to thank you Maximiliano for putting some politeness into this thread. My heart sank when its tone began to run into the usual personal insults and downright rudeness that characterise such so called 'flame wars.' If we, who think that open-source and free software are the key to developing the strength and capacity of ICT, can not rise above petty insults, how are we ever going to persuade the rest of the world that we are right and that the commercial houses should expose their code to public scrutiny? Let's keep it more friendly and more reasonable, please. Stuart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 16:25:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-1.enteract.com (smtp-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7203D37B403 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@markemmanuel.org) Received: from [147.126.50.163] (unknown [147.126.50.163]) by smtp-1.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D426066; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:25:11 -0500 (CDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:26:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers From: markemmanuel To: stavros , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701c11cf9$1abfdae0$9865fea9@keinzeit> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's so true... Hah... Hah.. Linux groups did tend to talk more about MS than Linux. That's why I unsubscribed from them and got on the FreeBSD and PPC-NetBSD lists. Hah... Hah... Quoted from the Book of stavros Ch 6:7-13 on 8/4/01 10:21 AM: > Is this a Linux group now? I used to be in a Linux group but they never > discussed Linux; they discussed Microsoft. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 17:21:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7690B37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 00:21:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010805201842.00c35730@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:20:17 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: References: <001701c11cf9$1abfdae0$9865fea9@keinzeit> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rofl lmao! Maybe the linux people are crawling over to freebsd. At 06:26 PM 8/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >That's so true... Hah... Hah.. Linux groups did tend to talk more about MS >than Linux. That's why I unsubscribed from them and got on the FreeBSD and >PPC-NetBSD lists. Hah... Hah... > >Quoted from the Book of stavros Ch 6:7-13 on 8/4/01 10:21 AM: > > > Is this a Linux group now? I used to be in a Linux group but they never > > discussed Linux; they discussed Microsoft. > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 17:34:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5828437B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 00:34:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:33:51 -0400 To: Maximiliano Eschoyez From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_35326046==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_35326046==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. >What's the problem? Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! >"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less than $400! But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries do have a problem! I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. Just totally clueless! My point exactly! At 01:42 PM 8/5/01 -0300, you wrote: >-> Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers. >-> >-> >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. >-> >-> lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol > >Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under >Un*x. >I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working >with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are >all written in the same way. > >If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. >What's the problem? > > M@X > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --=====================_35326046==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" >I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal.
>What's the problem?

Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is!
You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is!

>"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box,"

A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS.
Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less than $400!

But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries do have a problem!
I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway.

Just totally clueless! My point exactly!



At 01:42 PM 8/5/01 -0300, you wrote:
-> Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers.
->
->  >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex.  It was very easy.
->
-> lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol

Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under
Un*x.
I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working
with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are
all written in the same way.

If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal.
What's the problem?

     M@X



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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 17:55:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from k0r3.reflektor.cz (k0r3.reflektor.cz [212.24.129.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F7BC37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cynic@mail.cz) Received: (qmail 17117 invoked by uid 202); 6 Aug 2001 00:55:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 00:55:13 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806025034.01e845e8@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 03:04:25 +0200 To: joel2a@yahoo.com, Maximiliano Eschoyez From: Cynic Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joel, as far as I can tell, you're (almost) the only basher on this list. You started this worthless waste of bandwith by accusing people on the list of MS-bashing. I don't know if you've had a few more pints of beer or what, but could you please put off the flamethrower? People are different, and people are free to do as they please. Does the fact that Max likes using prompt offend you? Maybe you could sue him, but please, be polite. Max has tool that does what he needs just fine. Why should he buy a new box? Would you be any happier if he used the same prompt on a 850MHz Duron? The only thing you can achieve with this approach is a ban from the freebsd mailing lists... I wonder why you at all subscribed. What was your motivation? Abusing people? Hm... no offence intended, but aren't you the same Joel who had fun from abusing public service of the PHP group, and just offended everyone and everything in sight? The (php-dev@) Joel kept shouting something about how PHP was worthless compared to ASP IIRC. If you're not the same person, I can assure you that you're not going to gain anything. If you are the same person, then, well, this mail wasn't worth the time I spent on it. At 02:33 8/6/2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >>I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. >>What's the problem? > >Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! >You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! > >>"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > >A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. >Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less than $400! > >But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries do have a problem! >I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. > >Just totally clueless! My point exactly! cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 18:44:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23C9537B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 01:44:22 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010805213349.00c2dcd0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 21:43:23 -0400 To: Cynic From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010806025034.01e845e8@mail.cz> References: <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lol, rofl. You people just are worth the entertainment! I'm trying French wine this time! lol Actually I support freebsd. And I got on this list because I sincerly beleive in it. Unlike the other baloney hypesters... who are trying to fake a windows product. (php for windows! laugh, another hype!) But I get really annoyed at all the clueless idiots who criticize microsoft. As far as banning, I could get more than a thousand different internet identities and still troll the heck out of all the clueless idiots. I think my next identity may be Maxwell. lol At 03:04 AM 8/6/01 +0200, you wrote: >Joel, > >as far as I can tell, you're (almost) the only basher on this >list. You started this worthless waste of bandwith by accusing >people on the list of MS-bashing. I don't know if you've had >a few more pints of beer or what, but could you please put off >the flamethrower? People are different, and people are free to >do as they please. Does the fact that Max likes using prompt >offend you? Maybe you could sue him, but please, be polite. > >Max has tool that does what he needs just fine. Why should he >buy a new box? Would you be any happier if he used the same >prompt on a 850MHz Duron? > >The only thing you can achieve with this approach is a ban >from the freebsd mailing lists... I wonder why you at all >subscribed. What was your motivation? Abusing people? > >Hm... no offence intended, but aren't you the same Joel who had >fun from abusing public service of the PHP group, and just >offended everyone and everything in sight? > >The (php-dev@) Joel kept shouting something about how PHP was >worthless compared to ASP IIRC. > >If you're not the same person, I can assure you that you're not >going to gain anything. If you are the same person, then, well, >this mail wasn't worth the time I spent on it. > > >At 02:33 8/6/2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote the following: >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >>I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > >>What's the problem? > > > >Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! > >You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! > > > >>"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > > > >A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. > >Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less > than $400! > > > >But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries > do have a problem! > >I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. > > > >Just totally clueless! My point exactly! > > > >cynic@mail.cz >------------- >And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files >were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. > - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 19: 5: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8BC237B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joel2a@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO star1) (198.252.45.169) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2001 02:05:04 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010805220230.00ca3bb0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: joel2a@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:04:06 -0400 To: Cynic From: joel2a@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lol, rofl. Stay in tune, maybe "joel" is getting famous. rofl lmao! lol At 03:04 AM 8/6/01 +0200, you wrote: >Joel, > >as far as I can tell, you're (almost) the only basher on this >list. You started this worthless waste of bandwith by accusing >people on the list of MS-bashing. I don't know if you've had >a few more pints of beer or what, but could you please put off >the flamethrower? People are different, and people are free to >do as they please. Does the fact that Max likes using prompt >offend you? Maybe you could sue him, but please, be polite. > >Max has tool that does what he needs just fine. Why should he >buy a new box? Would you be any happier if he used the same >prompt on a 850MHz Duron? > >The only thing you can achieve with this approach is a ban >from the freebsd mailing lists... I wonder why you at all >subscribed. What was your motivation? Abusing people? > >Hm... no offence intended, but aren't you the same Joel who had >fun from abusing public service of the PHP group, and just >offended everyone and everything in sight? > >The (php-dev@) Joel kept shouting something about how PHP was >worthless compared to ASP IIRC. > >If you're not the same person, I can assure you that you're not >going to gain anything. If you are the same person, then, well, >this mail wasn't worth the time I spent on it. > > >At 02:33 8/6/2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote the following: >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >>I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > >>What's the problem? > > > >Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! > >You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! > > > >>"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > > > >A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. > >Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less > than $400! > > > >But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries > do have a problem! > >I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. > > > >Just totally clueless! My point exactly! > > > >cynic@mail.cz >------------- >And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files >were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. > - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 19:18:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20209.mail.yahoo.com (web20209.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AABA37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maxwell233425@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010806021818.35106.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.252.45.169] by web20209.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:18:18 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: me too Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think Joel is absolutely correct in everything he says. You all are wrong for criticising Microsoft. Joel is my hero! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 19:24:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 507C637B405 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maxwell233425@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010806022421.87847.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.252.45.169] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:24:21 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: me too Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, Joel is right and absolutely correct! Now you all stop answering my mail and go on answering real freebsd newbie questions. What are you all answering questions that don't relate to freebsd for anyway! lol, more CLUELESS IDIOTS! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 19:46:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20208.mail.yahoo.com (web20208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FC5B37B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maxwell2z@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010806024610.87886.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.252.45.169] by web20208.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:46:10 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: MAXWELL HAMMER Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org YES, ABSOLUTELY, JOEL IS SO CORRECT IT'S JUST BRILLIANT! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 21:30:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.alink.net (spoon-server1-eth.sv.alink.net [207.135.64.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2391837B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@fbuc.org) Received: from tbird (cx527587-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.21.17.144]) by spoon.alink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03037 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008801c11e30$ac8c1690$1200a8c0@tbird> From: "Bad Mamma Jamma" To: Subject: Telnet and ftp hanging Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:31:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C11DF5.FFCCF620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C11DF5.FFCCF620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I have a newly setup FreeBSD box running 4.3-STABLE and when I = attemtpt to telnet to it from anywhere on my LAN, it hangs for about a = 60 seconds, then finally connects. This also happens with ftp. I've = never had this problem before. Am I missing something? =20 Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C11DF5.FFCCF620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hi there, I have a newly setup FreeBSD = box running=20 4.3-STABLE and when I attemtpt to telnet to it from anywhere on my LAN, = it hangs=20 for about a 60 seconds, then finally connects.  This also happens = with=20 ftp.  I've never had this problem before.  Am I missing=20 something? 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C11DF5.FFCCF620-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 21:45: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.fuzion.za.org (pta-dial-196-31-186-131.mweb.co.za [196.31.186.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BA137B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from psyv@sec-it.net) Received: from localhost (psyv@localhost) by lucifer.fuzion.za.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f764klx16392; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:46:48 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from psyv@sec-it.net) X-Authentication-Warning: lucifer.fuzion.za.org: psyv owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:46:46 +0200 (SAST) From: The Psychotic Viper X-Sender: psyv@lucifer.fuzion.za.org To: joel2a@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moron bashers In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I avoid feeding the trolls but this sucker asked for it....sorry if I offend anyone but this twat.(offend by filling ur mailbox up with one more msg) On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > >I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > >What's the problem? > > Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! > You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! and who knows/cares how old u are....u seem an idiot regardless. Time has not had an effect on u. Your childish and annoying. > > >"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > > A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. > Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less than > $400! You just keep wasting ur money on expensive hardware (and software) while the rest of us use our heads (tho in ur case i doubt u possess that skill) and spend it elsewhere. > > But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries do > have a problem! > I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. 3rd world ppl seem to have more intellect than you do. > > Just totally clueless! My point exactly! Care to elaborate? Cos I see one clueless thing and it happens to be you And an aside, changed the topic to Moron bashers for obvious reasons. As much as I dislike flaming or trolling what I loath is the clearly uneducated forming opinions then not respecting others different opinions. Proverb that fits best : Empty vessels make the most noise PsyV sorry for feeding the troll but now going to plead to have everyone devnull this fool. Stop this thread *begs* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 23:30:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AF937B401 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f766Uf801656; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "ML Duke" Cc: "rayhicks" , Subject: RE: Unix skills at work Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:30:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c11e41$503f0760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah Duke, Reread what I said. I never said he was incompetent. I said that based on what he told you that I saw someone who is representative of how depressing it can be made to be if your goal is to make it depressing. Your the one that is all hung up about competence. Let me be as blunt as it appears you need me to be. People like your friend have attitudes that stink. They may be competent, and most of the type with that attitude are very competent. But what they don't understand is that their attitude makes it miserable for everyone around them that they have to work with. As a result their superiors do as much as possible to isolate them from everyone else. Naturally this ruins what ability they would _normally_ have to affect their environment. This just makes them more and more bitter and they blame the organization for it, and eventually they quit and go elsewhere and the cycle starts all over again. Of course from their point of view it's never their fault, it's always someone else's. Go ahead and use your friend as a role model - for the technical knowledge part of it. But allow anything he says about the political/business/social part of it to go in one ear and out the other without stopping. He is a very, very poor role model for the attitude part unless your goal in your career is to become a bitter old crank that is only kept around because you have experience up the wazoo and this comes in handly to solve certain problems from time to time. Sorry you feel I'm attacking your friend. But people like that derive no joy from their jobs and I just pity them. While the rest of us are getting a kick out of this wonderful business called Unix administration, people like him are making up excuses like "I'm too old" and "I can't change" and "everything I do is futile because the Sun is going to explode in 10 billion years and the Earth is going to vaporize, what's the point of doing anything" One of these days you need to ask your friend the following questions: "If someone paid you 4 times the amount of money your making now to do a Unix administration job you hate, would you do it?" "Is the goal of a career to get a job that you love doing or to make a piss pot of money?" "If someone died and left you enough money to live off of for the rest of your life, would you quit your job?" Then, you answer the following question yourself: "In the average day, I spend half of my conscious life working and the other half running errands, commuting, eating, family time, hobby, vacation, watching TV, etc.. Is my job worth it if it makes 1/2 of my waking hours miserable? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ML Duke >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 12:27 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: rayhicks; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Unix skills at work > > >On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >The below is true. Forgot to mention my guy could >have acquired perfectly good hardware for about 2.5 >mill, and saved many thousands on software as well, >but all was there upon his arrival. He's good, pal. >Real good. Not much you can do about that. > >your: you're (you are) > >Duke > >> There is absolutely no coorelation between competence and the >> dollar value of the equipment that your responsible for. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Aug 5 23:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.de (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D25237B401; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15TdzM-0001iY-06; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:35:44 +0200 Received: from icg-pc202.icg-online.de (06192901197-0001@[217.88.166.152]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 15TdzB-0kxmsaC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:35:33 +0200 Received: from icg-pc206.hofheim.icg-online.de (IDENT:manfred@icg-pc206.hofheim.icg-online.de [10.1.2.206]) by icg-pc202.icg-online.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA88970; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:42:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from usselmann.m@icg-online.de) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:40:43 +0200 From: Manfred Usselmann To: majordomo@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers Message-Id: <20010806084043.54db344c.usselmann.m@icg-online.de> In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.2.2.20010803234841.00dfe600@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <4.2.2.20010805202033.00c35e90@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Organization: ICG IT Consulting GmbH X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.5.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu) X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.17-14smp (RH 7.0) User-Agent: Sylpheed (http://sylpheed.good-day.net/) X-Internet-Site: http://www.icg-online.de/iwg/?bereich=icg X-Address: Bahnstrasse 7, 65835 Liederbach, Germany Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 06192901197-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:33:51 -0400 joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > >I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > >What's the problem? > > Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! > You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! > > >"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > > A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. > Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less than > $400! > > But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries do > have a problem! > I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. > > Just totally clueless! My point exactly! > > > > At 01:42 PM 8/5/01 -0300, you wrote: > >-> Well maybe one last response since I've had a couple Guiness beers. > >-> > >-> >I did my masters thesis using emacs and latex. It was very easy. > >-> > >-> lol, I can't help from laughing, when was that? In the 1960's? lol > > > >Excuse me, but you don't know anything about text formating under > >Un*x. > >I'm writing my final work for my engineering estudies and I working > >with LaTeX and writing under Midnight Commander. And my papers are > >all written in the same way. > > > >If you want to know more I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > >What's the problem? > > > > M@X > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- ________________________________________________________________________ Manfred Usselmann usselmann.m@icg-online.de ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 0:24:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from filer.fr.clara.net (filer.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF51A37B401 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@fr.clara.net) Received: from munster.noc.fr.clara.net (munster.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.20]) by filer.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F293127; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:24:40 +0200 (CEST) From: James X-Sender: james@munster.noc.fr.clara.net To: Bad Mamma Jamma Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnet and ftp hanging In-Reply-To: <008801c11e30$ac8c1690$1200a8c0@tbird> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I usually find that this is due to the /etc/hosts and the reverse for each machine that you connect too or from, try a "host machine_ip' on both machines and see what is returned, if nothing, add the correct info into /etc/hosts. James On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Bad Mamma Jamma wrote: > > Hi there, I have a newly setup FreeBSD box running 4.3-STABLE and when I attemtpt to telnet to it from anywhere on my LAN, it hangs for about a 60 seconds, then finally connects. This also happens with ftp. I've never had this problem before. Am I missing something? > > Thanks, Mike > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 0:34:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A6A37B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f767Yc801787; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "kevin godfrey" , Subject: RE: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: <009301c11e4a$3f560620$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3B6C9E8B.8AA7DAEF@ticktockman.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't think that Microsoft has ever publically stated that it WAS part of Windows, much less the reasoning behind it. The reason that we all know that it was part of Windows is because the UCB Copyright is part of several command-line utilities, and is included in the winsock header files in the Microsoft C compiler. We presume that Windows is compiled using Microsoft's compiler products. Also, apparently in one of the early BSD TCP/IP stacks there was some bug that was later fixed that was duplicated in the Windows code. I have seen postings from people claiming to have viewed the actual source code to the older Windows (keep in mind that Windows source code is now available to large site licensees as well as to certain academic institutions) who say that there's little to no BSD code in the Windows TCP/IP stack. But I think these postings are red herrings because while you would of course expect that over time as a code distribution diverged that less and less BSD code would be present, Microsoft certainly had to start from somewhere. Remember also that the AT&T UNIX TCP/IP stack was taken directly from BSD. When Microsoft went to write TCP/IP in Windows, they certainly would have looked at an existing IP implementation to see how it was done. It would have been a serious problem if they had selected some decompiled commercial implementation (like FTP Software's) and even if they had selected something like AT&T UNIX which they most certainly have a source license for. Besides that most commercial implementations of the time were based on BSD anyway. The safest source implementation of TCP/IP at the time was BSD because of the nonrestrictive license and since it was used as the root of most competitive TCP/IP implementations, if you studied it you would be studying all of the rest of them. It seems to me that the expense of "clean rooming" the BSD TCP/IP code just so you could say that your product _wasn't_ built around BSD TCP/IP would have been totally unwarranted. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of kevin godfrey >Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 6:17 PM >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) > > >On a somewhat relevant tangent... More of a newbie history question... can >someone explain or point me in the right direction to a book or webpage that >explains how the BSD TCP/IP stack became part of Windows? > >I'm curious to know that history. > >Thanks! > >p.s. - Let the NT admin go... he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him, >and we know we don't bash. > >joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: >> >> rofl >> I did not even post that for trolling or flame bait. >> A whole zoo needs to be built for the peanut gallery! >> But since someone said I was trolling, come to think of it, a troll could >> get fat around here! lol >> >> At 01:39 AM 8/5/01 +0200, you wrote: >> >This thread is really very uninteresting. Please, guys, be so >> >kind, and let it die. >> > > >-- >kevin > >"plastic fruit for a starving nation" > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 1:12:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailin7.bigpond.com (juicer38.bigpond.com [139.134.6.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FAE37B405 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhysus@bigpond.net) Received: from winky ([144.135.24.69]) by mailin7.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GHN0FE00.6HZ for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:18:50 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-160-118.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.160.118]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 8311/18319105); 06 Aug 2001 18:18:50 From: "rhysus" To: Subject: So what's going on in there? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:16:04 +1000 Message-ID: <000001c11e50$0cbf11b0$0a646464@winky> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well I will start by introducing myself, I am Rhys Donaldson 23yr old FreeBSD starter! And want to get involved I have been doing a degree in computing at the University of Tasmania so I have little to offer but am interested in working with others to create new and exciting tools. Anyway to the point Hi! You have met another newbie! To email me back contact me at mad_hatter@hotmail.com. Rhys Donaldson, YANF (Yet Another Newbie of FreeBSD). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 2:55: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4B737B401 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DAlSault@aol.com) Received: from DAlSault@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id n.72.ddfbaac (7867) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 05:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: DAlSault@aol.com Message-ID: <72.ddfbaac.289fc36e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 05:54:54 EDT Subject: Thanks to all To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.ddfbaac.289fc36e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --part1_72.ddfbaac.289fc36e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank everyone for answering my questions and responding so quickly. I've gone carefully through the install procedures using the kern.flp and mfsroot.flp disks and it is clear that Windows 98 takes the entire disk. It left a mere 2 Meg for the install! ha. It was difficult to determine because instead of showing disk space in Mb, it showed it in "ST" and I had to cycle through the different units to get info I could interpret easily. I looked at the FIPS program info after I downloaded it, but it looks like a nightmare, full of places to go wrong and destroy my comp. All in all, i've decided the best thing to do would be to buy a new disk and install directly to it, leaving my windows disk completely alone. Thanks again. David --part1_72.ddfbaac.289fc36e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank everyone for answering my questions and responding so
quickly. I've gone carefully through the install procedures using the
kern.flp and mfsroot.flp disks and it is clear that Windows 98 takes the
entire disk. It left a mere 2 Meg for the install! ha. It was difficult to
determine because instead of showing disk space in Mb, it showed it in "ST"
and I had to cycle through the different units to get info I could interpret
easily. I looked at the FIPS program info after I downloaded it, but it looks
like a nightmare, full of places to go wrong and destroy my comp. All in all,
i've decided the best thing to do would be to buy a new disk and install
directly to it, leaving my windows disk completely alone. Thanks again.
David --part1_72.ddfbaac.289fc36e_boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 5:47:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.broadpark.no (unknown [217.13.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8A437B401 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from honeypot@online.no) Received: from smaaen (217-13-12-234.dd.nextgentel.com [217.13.12.234]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969457FEE; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:40:28 +0200 (CEST) From: therese X-X-Sender: To: "joel2a@yahoo.com" Cc: Cynic , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Microsoft bashers In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010805213349.00c2dcd0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Mvh. -o) Eli Therese Moseid / \ honeypot@online.no _\_v On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote: > Actually I support freebsd. And I got on this list because I sincerly > beleive in it. Why can't you discuss that instead of being rude, and wasting everyones time? If you honestly think Windows is so GREAT, then I don't think you know so much about computers after all. Because saying that windows is better than FreeBSD or Linux for other purposes than a desktop machine is crap. > Unlike the other baloney hypesters... who are trying to fake a windows > product. (php for windows! laugh, another hype!) WHat is Windows but that? And what are you but a fanatic "I think Windows is so GREAT and I'd like to praise Bill Gates"? Seriously, I don't have a problem about you feeling that way, but I think you should subscribe to a Windows list, and get off this one if you can't behave. > But I get really annoyed at all the clueless idiots who criticize microsoft. Like yourself, another clueless idiot, except you don't critizice Microspft, you critizizce people on a BSD mailinglist who have never said a word about Windows before you came in an started accusing them. > As far as banning, I could get more than a thousand different internet > identities and still troll the heck out of all the clueless idiots. > I think my next identity may be Maxwell. Again, feel free. In my opinion you'd only prove yourself to be a real loser by doing that. I'm sure you're a nice person, shame you have such troubles showing it. Or do you actually *like* being rude? T. > > At 03:04 AM 8/6/01 +0200, you wrote: > >Joel, > > > >as far as I can tell, you're (almost) the only basher on this > >list. You started this worthless waste of bandwith by accusing > >people on the list of MS-bashing. I don't know if you've had > >a few more pints of beer or what, but could you please put off > >the flamethrower? People are different, and people are free to > >do as they please. Does the fact that Max likes using prompt > >offend you? Maybe you could sue him, but please, be polite. > > > >Max has tool that does what he needs just fine. Why should he > >buy a new box? Would you be any happier if he used the same > >prompt on a 850MHz Duron? > > > >The only thing you can achieve with this approach is a ban > >from the freebsd mailing lists... I wonder why you at all > >subscribed. What was your motivation? Abusing people? > > > >Hm... no offence intended, but aren't you the same Joel who had > >fun from abusing public service of the PHP group, and just > >offended everyone and everything in sight? > > > >The (php-dev@) Joel kept shouting something about how PHP was > >worthless compared to ASP IIRC. > > > >If you're not the same person, I can assure you that you're not > >going to gain anything. If you are the same person, then, well, > >this mail wasn't worth the time I spent on it. > > > > > >At 02:33 8/6/2001, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote the following: > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>I'm only 23 and I like ASCII terminal. > > >>What's the problem? > > > > > >Yeah well maybe that's what the problem is! > > >You ARE 23 and you DON'T KNOW what the problem is! > > > > > >>"Try to run Office or Staroffice with a 486 box," > > > > > >A fine example of clueless with a 486 box but still criticising MS. > > >Try www.aberdeeninc.com where you can get an 850Mhz computer for less > > than $400! > > > > > >But I understand you people from primitive backward 3rd world countries > > do have a problem! > > >I wasn't saying freebsd was bad anyway. > > > > > >Just totally clueless! My point exactly! > > > > > > > >cynic@mail.cz > >------------- > >And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files > >were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. > > - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 6:25:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta08.onebox.com (mta08.onebox.com [64.68.76.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEF737B401 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ctjewett@zdnetonebox.com) Received: from onebox.com ([10.1.101.6]) by mta08.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010806132509.CARP18626.mta08.onebox.com@onebox.com> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:25:09 -0700 Received: from [199.186.63.159] by onebox.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:25:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 09:25:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Thanks to all -- A couple of suggestions From: "Christopher T. Jewett" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20010806132509.CARP18626.mta08.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are a few things that you should beware of before trying to install FreeBSD that I'm not so sure you've considered, judging from your email. 1. You're ISP being AOL is not compatible with FreeBSD. You won't be able to connect to their system through normal dial-up protocols, therefore you will not have an internet connection. This would make it impossible to install FreeBSD from FTP (which would be downright slow anyhow, over dialup.) My suggestion is burn a CD from the ISO image if you can get access to a CDR and a fast connection. 2. It appears as if you are attempting to install FreeBSD on a hard drive that is partitioned for Windows 98 to use the entire hard disk. The additional 2MB of disk space is something the FAT file system couldn't fill up, due to limitations of the file system architecture. It would be possible to use your existing hard disk for the OS installation, however it would require that you back-up the contents of your hard drive and use DOS's fdisk utility to repartition your hard drive into two equal partitions. (or however you prefer.) After that, you will find it necessary to re-install Windows 98 first, followed by FreeBSD second. 3. It sounds like you don't have a whole lot of experience working with Unix. I know you're probably sick of hearing this, but it's *SO* true. READ, READ, READ, READ as much as you possibly can before going in both feet forward. You want to at least be sure you can login, logout, reboot, shutdown, move in and out of directories, copy files, understand permissions, and know how to start and kill X. It may sound like a lot, but really it won't take long to discover all that, and it'll save you *a LOT* of headache after you install the system. 4. While I *DEFINATELY* prefer FreeBSD as a Unix system over Linux, might I suggest that Red Hat 7.2 or Mandrake Linux be a better starting point to learn Unix while still having the comfort of a GUI. FreeBSD will certainly *FORCE* you to learn Unix in a much cleaner, more organized environment, but it's certainly a *LOT* more intimidating. Just some suggestions before you begin. Welcome to Unix! It's such a FANTASTIC collection of code that just requires a little patience and learning. :-) Chris ---- DAlSault@aol.com wrote: > I want to thank everyone for answering my questions and responding > so > quickly. I've gone carefully through the install procedures using the > > kern.flp and mfsroot.flp disks and it is clear that Windows 98 takes > the > entire disk. It left a mere 2 Meg for the install! ha. It was difficult > to > determine because instead of showing disk space in Mb, it showed it > in "ST" > and I had to cycle through the different units to get info I could > interpret > easily. I looked at the FIPS program info after I downloaded it, but > it looks > like a nightmare, full of places to go wrong and destroy my comp. All > in all, > i've decided the best thing to do would be to buy a new disk and install > > directly to it, leaving my windows disk completely alone. Thanks again. > David > ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 6:35:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.kornet.net (unknown [211.48.62.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02AF37B401; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clubfriend@clubfriend.com) Received: from bown112 (211.38.171.177) by relay2.kornet.net; 6 Aug 2001 22:32:55 +0900 Message-ID: <006801c11e7b$fe8f4f20$b1ab26d3@kornet.net> Reply-To: "Youn, Roy" From: "Youn, Roy" To: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wK/H0MC7wdi68cfPtMK60LKy?= Subject: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?W8irurhdwK/H0Mb4xbq96sDPISEhyK69x8fRwbawxyEhtbXA/MfP?= =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?vLy/5CEhISE=?= Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 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freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.alink.net (spoon-server1-eth.sv.alink.net [207.135.64.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCE037B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@fbuc.org) Received: from tbird (cx527587-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.21.17.144]) by spoon.alink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05648; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004201c11e9b$c4da9cb0$1200a8c0@tbird> From: "Bad Mamma Jamma" To: "James" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Telnet and ftp hanging Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:17:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For the mean time I just added the necessary info to both /etc/hosts files. My next step of course will be to get a local nameserver setup. Thanks for your help everyone. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "James" To: "Bad Mamma Jamma" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: Re: Telnet and ftp hanging > > I usually find that this is due to the /etc/hosts and the reverse for each > machine that you connect too or from, try a "host machine_ip' on both > machines and see what is returned, if nothing, add the correct info into > /etc/hosts. > > James > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Bad Mamma Jamma wrote: > > > > > Hi there, I have a newly setup FreeBSD box running 4.3-STABLE and when I attemtpt to telnet to it from anywhere on my LAN, it hangs for about a 60 seconds, then finally connects. This also happens with ftp. I've never had this problem before. Am I missing something? > > > > Thanks, Mike > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 11: 0: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE27037B405 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2F20; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3B6EDB0C.60135496@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:59:40 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rhysus Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: So what's going on in there? References: <000001c11e50$0cbf11b0$0a646464@winky> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rhysus wrote: > > Well I will start by introducing myself, > I am Rhys Donaldson 23yr old FreeBSD starter! And want to get involved I > have been doing a degree in computing at the University of Tasmania so I > have little to offer but am interested in working with others to create > new and exciting tools. > Anyway to the point Hi! You have met another newbie! Welcome! Have fun! Don't troll and we'll all get along fine... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 11:49:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta11.onebox.com (mta11.onebox.com [64.68.76.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60ED37B406 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ctjewett@zdnetonebox.com) Received: from onebox.com ([10.1.101.8]) by mta11.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010806184930.IKOU9852.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:49:30 -0700 Received: from [199.186.63.159] by onebox.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:49:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:49:29 -0400 Subject: RE: Re: Thanks to all -- A couple of suggestions From: "Christopher T. Jewett" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1BoxPartBoundary99712377014189997123770" Message-Id: <20010806184930.IKOU9852.mta11.onebox.com@onebox.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --1BoxPartBoundary99712377014189997123770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just thought I'd give you my two cents worth... I installed FreeBSD on a Dell Laptop with Windows '98 already on it. The process is rather simple actually. In spite of the intimidatingdisclaimers, FIPS is quite stable, and I've resized several hard diskpartitions without incident. I suppose they're taking a preemptive shotagainst litigation in the event that things don't work quite right. Anyway, you should be able to install on the existing hard drive after 1) performing a complete backup and 2) defragging the hard drive. This moves everything to the start ofthe partition, allowing you to chop off the end without truncating anydata in the process. Once you have the hard drive partitioned the installationis fairly straightforward. Enjoy! Mark Van Tuyl >---- DAlSault@aol.com wrote: >> I want to thank everyone for answering my questions and responding >> so >> quickly. I've gone carefully through the install procedures usingthe >> >> kern.flp and mfsroot.flp disks and it is clear that Windows 98 takes >> the >> entire disk. It left a mere 2 Meg for the install! ha. It was difficult >> to >> determine because instead of showing disk space in Mb, it showed it >> in "ST" >> and I had to cycle through the different units to get info I could >> interpret >> easily. I looked at the FIPS program info after I downloaded it, but >> it looks >> like a nightmare, full of places to go wrong and destroy my comp.All >> in all, >> i've decided the best thing to do would be to buy a new disk and install >> >> directly to it, leaving my windows disk completely alone. Thanks again. >> David ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com --1BoxPartBoundary99712377014189997123770 Content-type: message/rfc822; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Description: email message Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by mta05.onebox.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with ESMTP id <20010806182122.RAKT10107.mta05.onebox.com@imo-d03.mx.aol.com> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:21:22 -0700 Received: from oldcpgmr@netscape.net by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 3.52.983f64 (16245) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-in03.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILININ39-0806142116; Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:21:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:21:16 -0400 From: oldcpgmr@netscape.net To: "Christopher T. Jewett" Subject: RE: Re: Thanks to all -- A couple of suggestions Message-ID: <7C8CFB64.17DA4B7E.00A40C08@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Just thought I'd give you my two cents worth... I installed FreeBSD on a Dell Laptop with Windows '98 already on it. The process is rather simple actually. In spite of the intimidating disclaimers, FIPS is quite stable, and I've resized several hard disk partitions without incident. I suppose they're taking a preemptive shot against litigation in the event that things don't work quite right. Anyway, you should be able to install on the existing hard drive after 1) performing a complete backup and 2) defragging the hard drive. This moves everything to the start of the partition, allowing you to chop off the end without truncating any data in the process. Once you have the hard drive partitioned the installation is fairly straightforward. Enjoy! Mark Van Tuyl >---- DAlSault@aol.com wrote: >> I want to thank everyone for answering my questions and responding >> so >> quickly. I've gone carefully through the install procedures using the >> >> kern.flp and mfsroot.flp disks and it is clear that Windows 98 takes >> the >> entire disk. It left a mere 2 Meg for the install! ha. It was difficult >> to >> determine because instead of showing disk space in Mb, it showed it >> in "ST" >> and I had to cycle through the different units to get info I could >> interpret >> easily. I looked at the FIPS program info after I downloaded it, but >> it looks >> like a nightmare, full of places to go wrong and destroy my comp. All >> in all, >> i've decided the best thing to do would be to buy a new disk and install >> >> directly to it, leaving my windows disk completely alone. Thanks again. >> David >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, >all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --1BoxPartBoundary99712377014189997123770-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 11:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CD237B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id f76IpTI08815 ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts003d32.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d32.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.140]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA16137; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:49:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: rayhicks , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Unix skills at work In-Reply-To: <000e01c11e41$503f0760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Ah Duke, > > Reread what I said. I never said he was incompetent. I said that > based on what he told you that I saw someone who is representative of how > depressing it can be made to be if your goal is to make it depressing. Your > the one that is all hung up about competence. > > Let me be as blunt as it appears you need me to be. People like your Sorry, but you didn't understand a thing he said. Likely can't due to a skewered education. Don't have time for a proper (and likely pointless) answer. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 12:37: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hatrack.unc.edu.ar (unknown [170.210.248.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94DC37B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hatrack.unc.edu.ar (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f76JaMJ18668 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:36:22 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09972; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:06:58 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:06:58 -0300 (ART) From: Maximiliano Eschoyez X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: rhysus Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: So what's going on in there? In-Reply-To: <000001c11e50$0cbf11b0$0a646464@winky> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rhys, -> am interested in working with others to create -> new and exciting tools. What kind of tools are you interested on? I'm programming with C/C++ developing a software video encoder/decoder for interactive videoconferences. Regards, M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 13: 8:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunspare.hccnet.nl (sunspare.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9776D37B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon196405@bigfoot.com) Received: from none52aqg24pmy by sunspare.hccnet.nl via uds186-55.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.55.186] with SMTP id WAA28049 (8.8.8/1.13); Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:08:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Simon Siemonsma" To: "Jason Dodson" , Subject: RE: Win2k then FreeBSD Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:07:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C11EC4.36334EC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002301c11dce$00b2c970$a3faf818@ci744227a> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C11EC4.36334EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it is possible to install W'2000 first and then install FreeBSD with the bootmanager. In case you do it the other way round, there is a tool on the FreeBSD CD to install the bootmanager afterwards. I don't remember how it is called, but it works fine. Simon Siemonsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Dodson Sent: zondag 5 augustus 2001 18:45 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Win2k then FreeBSD Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want then to install Win2k? correct? Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? Thanks Jason HaxCode4u@home.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C11EC4.36334EC0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 13:28:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate3.cinetic.de (mailgate3.cinetic.de [212.227.116.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5DC37B403 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:28:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from survive@web.de) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mailgate3.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id f76KSp614296 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:28:51 +0200 Received: from web.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.2.2.2 #11) id m15Tqzb-007oTNC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 22:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3B6EF11E.F7B45C92@web.de> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 21:33:50 +0200 From: Thilo Matschke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: isdn-driver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try to get a isdn-connection running. But my system has no driver for my FritzPci-Card. I have installed 4.3 FreeBSD (Windriver) and looked in the /dev-directory, no isic0 no ifpi0 driver, need the ifpi0-driver, as far as I understood the explanations, searched www.freebsd.org, couldn't find it, do you have any ideas, thanks for the help, t***O To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Aug 6 15:45:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ?????? 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(8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f77BJYv25244; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B6FCF84.DA6E5177@ticktockman.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 04:22:44 -0700 From: kevin godfrey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) References: <009301c11e4a$3f560620$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [big snip] > Remember also that the AT&T UNIX TCP/IP stack was taken directly from > BSD. When Microsoft went to write TCP/IP in Windows, they certainly > would have looked at an existing IP implementation to see how it was > done. It would have been a serious problem if they had selected some > decompiled commercial implementation (like FTP Software's) and even > if they had selected something like AT&T UNIX which they most certainly > have a source license for. Besides that most commercial implementations > of the time were based on BSD anyway. The safest source implementation of > TCP/IP at the time was BSD because of the nonrestrictive license and since > it was used as the root of most competitive TCP/IP implementations, if you > studied it you would be studying all of the rest of them. Thanks for the answer Ted. It helped me understand a little better the history. So as I see it, most of the major operating systems TCP/IP implementations are based on BSD. If I recall correctly, didn't Linux adopt the BSD stack not too long ago? Or am I mistaken? 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What can I do to obtain the result below: 1st partition: 9Gb 2nd partition: 3 Gb (with /usr = 2.4Gb) Thanks for your help. fabrice To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 6:17:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D9F37B405 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from js@jonsonn.de) Received: from [195.20.224.208] (helo=mrvdom01.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15U6jr-0001PL-00; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:17:39 +0200 Received: from a3e43.pppool.de ([213.6.62.67] helo=jonsonn) by mrvdom01.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15U6jq-0000Lj-00; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:17:38 +0200 From: "Jonas Sonntag" To: "Simon Siemonsma" , "Jason Dodson" , Subject: AW: Win2k then FreeBSD Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:19:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org and it's nearly that simple to have outlook reply in text-only from. just go to extras->options->email form->send in form: text only so maybe the freebsd-only guys can also read your mails -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]Im Auftrag von Simon Siemonsma Gesendet: Montag, 6. August 2001 22:08 An: Jason Dodson; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Betreff: RE: Win2k then FreeBSD Yes, it is possible to install W'2000 first and then install FreeBSD with the bootmanager. In case you do it the other way round, there is a tool on the FreeBSD CD to install the bootmanager afterwards. I don't remember how it is called, but it works fine. Simon Siemonsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Dodson Sent: zondag 5 augustus 2001 18:45 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Win2k then FreeBSD Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want then to install Win2k? correct? Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD bootmanager for both OS's? 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Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 7:53:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 863A937B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freefabri@yahoo.it) Message-ID: <20010807145346.77008.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.161] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:53:46 CEST Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:53:46 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: Compaq Proliant 2500 + FreeBSD 4.3 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, has anyone installed FreeBSD 4.3 on a Compaq Proliant 2500? Do I have to make some boot floppies or can I boot the machine with the installation cdrom? The scsi array is a 2SL-SMART Array. If I have to make the floppies where can I find the documentation which can help me ? Thanks in advance Up the BSDaemons!!! ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Once you have signed in, you should change your password by visiting http://www.egroups.co.uk/myprofile To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 10:31:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9C937B40C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageone (ppp-208-191-234-62.dialup.crchtx.swbell.net [208.191.234.62]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18049; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:31:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010807123143.0108abd8@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 12:31:43 -0500 To: "Jonas Sonntag" , "Simon Siemonsma" , "Jason Dodson" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: AW: Win2k then FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, installing Win2K first causes less problems for setting up boot manager... At 03:19 PM 8.7.2001 +0200, Jonas Sonntag wrote: >and it's nearly that simple to have outlook reply in text-only from. >just go to extras->options->email form->send in form: text only >so maybe the freebsd-only guys can also read your mails > >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]Im Auftrag von Simon Siemonsma >Gesendet: Montag, 6. August 2001 22:08 >An: Jason Dodson; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Betreff: RE: Win2k then FreeBSD > > >Yes, it is possible to install W'2000 first and then install FreeBSD with >the bootmanager. >In case you do it the other way round, there is a tool on the FreeBSD CD to >install the bootmanager afterwards. I don't remember how it is called, but >it works fine. > >Simon Siemonsma >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Dodson >Sent: zondag 5 augustus 2001 18:45 >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Win2k then FreeBSD > > >Ok, about to just wipe off my 4 hard drives and start fresh..... > >It is best to install FreeBSD with BootManager on whatever drive on want >then to install Win2k? correct? > >Just checking....I know that Win2k writes over the MBR but is it possible >to install Win2k first then install FreeBSD? and just use the FreeBSD >bootmanager for both OS's? > >Thanks > > >Jason > > >HaxCode4u@home.com > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > > > > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 10:33:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA99837B40B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA29F9 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3B702663.287BA1E3@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:33:23 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Best video card? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbie-chat question: what video cards have you been successful with under XFree86-4? I just purchased a new computer with a Rage 128 card. I can't get into XFree86-4 with this card. It hangs the system. But it works just fine under XFree86-3. I am toying with the idea of simply replacing the video card rather than going through the incredible convolutions needed to get DRI under FreeBSD working. What cards have you found successful under XFree86-4? I want really good 2D acceleration, but 3D acceleration is not a great concern. Thanks, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 10:36:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D59537B40B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2C15; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3B70270B.34BAD6D@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:36:11 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin godfrey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) References: <009301c11e4a$3f560620$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <3B6FCF84.DA6E5177@ticktockman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org kevin godfrey wrote: > So as I see it, most of the major operating systems TCP/IP implementations are > based on BSD. If I recall correctly, didn't Linux adopt the BSD stack not too > long ago? Or am I mistaken? IIRC, Linux used to use the BSD stack, but they have reimplemented it in 2.4x. Why? I don't know. It wasn't broken, so I can only guess embarassment was the cause. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 10:47:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from e-boxen.com (unknown [207.167.15.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9666337B403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.lawrence@business-aid.net) Received: (qmail 10155 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 17:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO business-aid.net) (150.0.4.1) by 207-167-15-38.dsl.worldgate.ca with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 17:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3B7028B1.76B693FC@business-aid.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:43:14 -0600 From: Thorel Reply-To: joe.lawrence@business-aid.net Organization: Business Assistance Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq Proliant 2500 + FreeBSD 4.3 References: <20010807145346.77008.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi how are you all? Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? Thanxs Joe Lawrence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 10:47:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from e-boxen.com (unknown [207.167.15.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3CB637B403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.lawrence@business-aid.net) Received: (qmail 19036 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2001 17:36:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO business-aid.net) (150.0.4.1) by 207-167-15-38.dsl.worldgate.ca with SMTP; 7 Aug 2001 17:36:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3B7028D0.85D401D5@business-aid.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:43:44 -0600 From: Thorel Reply-To: joe.lawrence@business-aid.net Organization: Business Assistance Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: open ports References: <20010807145346.77008.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi how are you all? Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? Thanxs Joe Lawrence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 11:37:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web14701.mail.yahoo.com (web14701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3566F37B40A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vassd2000@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010807183731.46148.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.251.12.114] by web14701.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:37:31 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: vass D Subject: Re: open ports To: joe.lawrence@business-aid.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3B7028D0.85D401D5@business-aid.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm too new to answer that in detail, but there are different ways of doing it... one is to enable the firewall and allow only the ports (and even ip addresses) u like open for others to connect. another way is to remap the ports so if people scan u, they usualy scan for well known services-ports, they get nothing on the standard ports, but your services listen to a remaped port (its number is chosen by you). i think there is also spesific apps that block (or monitor) only certain ports...not sure though. dont know if they are popular in unix world. they're used a lot in ms-win for blocking netbios etc. probably your best bet is to enable the firewall. --- Thorel wrote: > Hi how are you all? > Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports > on my freebsd computer? > > Thanxs > > Joe Lawrence > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 11:44:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srv6-bra.bra.terra.com.br (srv6-bra.bra.terra.com.br [200.177.250.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7DB37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mattao@terra.com.br) Received: from terra.com.br (webmail4.poa.terra.com.br [200.176.2.122]) by srv6-bra.bra.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03143 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:44:27 -0300 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:44:27 -0300 Message-Id: Subject: Re: open ports MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Luciano_Moreira_Matt=E3o?=" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.4.3.2.5 X-SenderIP: 200.202.39.170 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Handbook have one chapter about this (chapter 4), try this link: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Luciano > ---------- Mensagem original ----------- > > De : owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Para : freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc : > Data : Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:43:44 -0600 > Assunto : open ports > > Hi how are you all? > Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? > > Thanxs > > Joe Lawrence > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > Luciano Moreira Matt=E3o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12: 9:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.alink.net (spoon-server1-eth.sv.alink.net [207.135.64.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ABC37B406 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@fbuc.org) Received: from tbird (cx527587-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.21.17.144]) by spoon.alink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15824 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001201c11f74$98465ca0$1200a8c0@tbird> From: "Bad Mamma Jamma" To: Subject: Sound not configured right Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:09:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11F39.D4A7ACC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11F39.D4A7ACC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm attempting to get my sound card going and I'm having some = problems. I have a Crystal 4236 onboard sound card in a Dell Optiplex = GX1 running 4.3-STABLE. I added "device pcm" and "device csa" to the = kernel, recompiled, rebooted and per the handbook cat'd /dev/sndstat and = got "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such file or directory". Can anyone offer = any suggestions as to what I may be doing wrong? I checked the archives = and didn't find anything. Thanks for your time. =20 Regards, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11F39.D4A7ACC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Hi all, I'm attempting to get my sound = card going=20 and I'm having some problems.  I have a Crystal 4236 onboard sound = card in=20 a Dell Optiplex GX1 running 4.3-STABLE.  I added "device pcm" and = "device=20 csa" to the kernel, recompiled, rebooted and per the handbook cat'd = /dev/sndstat=20 and got "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such file or directory".  Can anyone = offer=20 any suggestions as to what I may be doing wrong?  I checked the = archives=20 and didn't find anything.  Thanks for your time.  =
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C11F39.D4A7ACC0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:18: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [144.137.83.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5554937B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karun@dambiec.com) Received: from karun.dambiec.com ([10.0.0.1] helo=dambiec.com ident=karun) by karun.dambiec.com with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15UCCu-0005a0-00 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 05:08:00 +1000 Message-ID: <3B703C8F.E54269EA@dambiec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 05:07:59 +1000 From: Karun X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. What books would you recommend? I have had experience using Linux. Karun Dambiec karun@dambiec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:19:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2fb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF3737B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@blinx.net) Received: from equinox ([24.168.44.136]) by nyc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:19:22 -0400 From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: "'Karun'" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:19:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c11f75$edbdfb10$8701a8c0@equinox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3B703C8F.E54269EA@dambiec.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ is always a very good reference. You can buy it in hardcover at http://www.freebsdmall.com. -- Jonathan -- Jonathan M. Slivko Blinx Networks, Inc. http://www.blinx.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Karun Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:08 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Books Hello, I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. What books would you recommend? I have had experience using Linux. Karun Dambiec karun@dambiec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:35:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secfw2.sec.gov (mail.sec.gov [204.192.28.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8159237B410 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RothW@SEC.GOV) Received: by secfw2.sec.gov; id PAA21997; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from unknown(162.138.5.35) by secfw2.sec.gov via smap id xma021925; Tue, 7 Aug 01 15:35:12 -0400 Received: by HQ-SEC-MT1.sec.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Roth, William" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Complete FreeBSD v. FreeBSD Handbook Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:35:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the difference in content between these two books. I have the Complete which is at times very clear and helpful and other times somewhat haphazardly edited. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan M. Slivko [mailto:jslivko@blinx.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:20 PM To: 'Karun'; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ is always a very good reference. You can buy it in hardcover at http://www.freebsdmall.com. -- Jonathan -- Jonathan M. Slivko Blinx Networks, Inc. http://www.blinx.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Karun Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:08 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Books Hello, I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. What books would you recommend? I have had experience using Linux. Karun Dambiec karun@dambiec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:39:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (unknown [207.23.161.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AA337B409 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@bigfoot.com) Received: from darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [207.23.161.23]) by enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01450 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:39:53 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Freddie Cash Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:38:49 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000401c11f75$edbdfb10$8701a8c0@equinox> In-Reply-To: <000401c11f75$edbdfb10$8701a8c0@equinox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080712384903.45699@darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello, > I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. > What books would you recommend? > I have had experience using Linux. "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey is a very nice guide for=20 beginners, and can be purchased bindled with the FreeBSD CDs. "The FreeBSD Handbook" is also handy to have around and is available=20 online ( http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ ) or in dead-tree format. Check the FreeBSD documentation site for more ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc.html ) HTH. --=20 Cheers, Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com Copyright: Big business uses it to lock away knowledge and software. Copyleft: Free software zealots use it prevent business from locking=20 anything up. Copycenter: Take it to the copy centre and make as many copies as you=20 need. -- paraphrased from Kirk McKusick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:53:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hatrack.unc.edu.ar (unknown [170.210.248.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC91F37B405 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar) Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hatrack.unc.edu.ar (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f77Jqk521473 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:52:46 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10795 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:23:39 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:23:39 -0300 (ART) From: Maximiliano Eschoyez X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: Newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books In-Reply-To: <01080712384903.45699@darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -> > I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. -> > What books would you recommend? -> > I have had experience using Linux. -> -> "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey is a very nice guide for -> beginners, and can be purchased bindled with the FreeBSD CDs. I did my first steps with it. All the steps are very well described there (configuring sound, recompiling the kernel, etc). I think that it's a very good book. Cheers, M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 12:55:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [144.137.83.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B05237B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karun@dambiec.com) Received: from karun.dambiec.com ([10.0.0.1] helo=dambiec.com ident=karun) by karun.dambiec.com with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15UCn3-0005hi-00; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 05:45:21 +1000 Message-ID: <3B704551.F1E022EB@dambiec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 05:45:21 +1000 From: Karun X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maximiliano Eschoyez , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maximiliano Eschoyez wrote: > -> > I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. > -> > What books would you recommend? > -> > I have had experience using Linux. > -> > -> "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey is a very nice guide for > -> beginners, and can be purchased bindled with the FreeBSD CDs. > > I did my first steps with it. All the steps are very well described > there (configuring sound, recompiling the kernel, etc). I think > that it's a very good book. > > Cheers, > > M@X > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I think i might buy The complete freebsd 3rd edition when i have AUS$105 from EverythinLinux Does anybody know where you can buy it for less in Australia? Karun Dambiec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 13:14:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunspare.hccnet.nl (sunspare.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD9A37B40A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon196405@bigfoot.com) Received: from none52aqg24pmy by sunspare.hccnet.nl via uds187-59.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.59.187] with SMTP id WAA00118 (8.8.8/1.13); Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:14:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Simon Siemonsma" To: "Bad Mamma Jamma" , Subject: RE: Sound not configured right Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:14:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001201c11f74$98465ca0$1200a8c0@tbird> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you do MAKEDEV snd0? Did your system recognise the card at start-up? You can see this by using dmesg, or at the messages scrolling over your screen at start-up. When it is not recognised, you should see something like "unknown PCI card". Simon Siemonsma -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bad Mamma Jamma Sent: dinsdag 7 augustus 2001 21:10 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Sound not configured right Hi all, I'm attempting to get my sound card going and I'm having some problems. I have a Crystal 4236 onboard sound card in a Dell Optiplex GX1 running 4.3-STABLE. I added "device pcm" and "device csa" to the kernel, recompiled, rebooted and per the handbook cat'd /dev/sndstat and got "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such file or directory". Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what I may be doing wrong? I checked the archives and didn't find anything. Thanks for your time. Regards, Mike Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 13:59:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.alink.net (spoon-server1-eth.sv.alink.net [207.135.64.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0C37B50D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:57:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@fbuc.org) Received: from tbird (cx527587-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.21.17.144]) by spoon.alink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05833; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004101c11f83$a0ee6780$1200a8c0@tbird> From: "Bad Mamma Jamma" To: "Simon Siemonsma" , References: Subject: Re: Sound not configured right Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:57:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org MAKEDEV did it. I checked dmesg and the card was in there and detected fine. I think I need more coffee. Thanks for your help Simon. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Siemonsma" To: "Bad Mamma Jamma" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: RE: Sound not configured right > Did you do MAKEDEV snd0? > > Did your system recognise the card at start-up? > You can see this by using dmesg, or at the messages scrolling over your > screen at start-up. > When it is not recognised, you should see something like "unknown PCI card". > > Simon Siemonsma > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bad Mamma Jamma > Sent: dinsdag 7 augustus 2001 21:10 > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Sound not configured right > > > > Hi all, I'm attempting to get my sound card going and I'm having some > problems. I have a Crystal 4236 onboard sound card in a Dell Optiplex GX1 > running 4.3-STABLE. I added "device pcm" and "device csa" to the kernel, > recompiled, rebooted and per the handbook cat'd /dev/sndstat and got "cat: > /dev/sndstat: No such file or directory". Can anyone offer any suggestions > as to what I may be doing wrong? I checked the archives and didn't find > anything. Thanks for your time. > > Regards, Mike > > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 14: 3:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (dced.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D41337B42F for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.115]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GHPUCF00.Q8Y for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:00:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3B705769.D1BD0924@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 13:02:33 -0800 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maximiliano Eschoyez wrote: > > -> > I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. > -> > What books would you recommend? > -> > I have had experience using Linux. > -> > -> "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey is a very nice guide for > -> beginners, and can be purchased bindled with the FreeBSD CDs. > > I did my first steps with it. All the steps are very well described > there (configuring sound, recompiling the kernel, etc). I think > that it's a very good book. I agree. It was very helpful as a tutorial-type book and has a lot of reference material. It is not current with the 4.x branch, but most of the stuff in the book is not very release dependent. The Corporate Networker's Guide to FreeBSD, by Ted Mittelstaedt (I hope the title is right? Maybe Ted can forgive me if I'm wrong, since I shelled out the $50 US for it :) ) is a good book also and current with the 4.x branch, in fact it came with an install CD with 4.2 release. It is also thinner, but with less reference material than "The Complete FreeBSD". I own both, they've helped in different ways with many things. I think if you want a Windows/Unix print and file server, Ted's book seems to have very good specifics for how to set that up (unless you want to use a non-postscript printer, but the book indicates that that was intentional). It's a little more light on setting up things pertinent mostly to a home workstation, but the title does reflect that, so no complaints here. I guess it depends on what you wish to use FreeBSD for. A lot of people seem to forget that when comparing FreeBSD to Linux or especially Windows ... it's useful as a desktop with a _little_ work, but it's actually pretty nice to setup as a functioning network server. my two cents as a well-read newbie, Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 15: 1: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.af-inet.net (cx793560-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [65.5.163.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967B337B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaron@af-inet.net) Received: from localhost (jaron@localhost) by mail.af-inet.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f77LvGJ32988; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Agemo Noraj To: Thorel Cc: Subject: Re: open ports In-Reply-To: <3B7028D0.85D401D5@business-aid.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Thorel wrote: > Hi how are you all? > Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? > > Thanxs > > Joe Lawrence The quickest way to turn off and on common services is to edit /etc/inetd.conf If you see something that doesn't have a '#' in the beginnging of the line, ask your self if you wan't others to be able to play with that service. Put a '#' in front, and then from the command line, killall -HUP inetd To further complicate the issues, if you want the service available but only to certain hosts, from the command line man hosts.allow or man hosts.deny If you want to have even more control over incoming/outgoing connections, from the command line, man ipfw or man ipf If your wondering what ports you have open on your box. From the command line, netstat -an | grep LISTEN If your wondering what services those ports are, from the command line, grep /etc/services Agemo Noraj -_-_-_-_-_ " What an excellent day for an exorcism. " _-_-_-_-_- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 15: 6:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (dced.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BD937B403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.115]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GHPXF400.D05; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:06:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3B7066FA.7A012000@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 14:08:58 -0800 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karun Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: What I plan to use freebsd for. Was (Re: FreeBSD Books) References: <3B705769.D1BD0924@dnr.state.ak.us> <3B70589E.D6B2553A@dambiec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karun wrote: > > I'm planning to use a computer running freebsd, as a server for my adsl > modem and also for dambiec.com, which the ip is updated using a dynamic dns > client. The server will have to keep attempting to connect to the internet > when it is disconnected and update the ip for the domain once reconnected. I > also plan to use a firewall on the server, and apache as well as an email > server. > > Karun Dambiec FreeBSD can do that type of mission well. I'm not actually sure on the dynamic dns, I don't have adsl yet. The regular userland ppp client handles that and I think it includes the pppoe client. You'd have to ask a question about that on freebsd-questions. I've never needed a web server at home, but it will not be much different than linux and I have set that up at work for an internal help request server. It wasn't too bad, for an complete apache newbie, like myself. I personally liked OpenBSD for setting up a firewall, but I'm not sure what their support for adsl is like, except that they have support for pppoe. Again, I don't have it yet, so I haven't looked that hard at it. OpenBSD recently dumped IP Filter from their current branch, but the last release, 2.9, still includes it as the packet filter. FreeBSD has support for IP Filter, but defaults to IPFW. From things that I've read on packet filters, I preferred the stateful inspection of IP Filter, but FreeBSD docs do not really cover it much - you'll have to look to IP Filter's own how-to and docs to figure out how to configure them. However, they're pretty good, so it shouldn't be too hard on Open or FreeBSD. As to your earlier book question, Ted Mittlestaedt's book might be just the ticket, but I haven't yet read the portions on apache or dsl connections, if there is a section on dsl even??? Except for the adsl stuff, most of the tasks you mention are best covered by other general Unix books, IMO. Apache, the Definitive Guide, published by O'Reilly and Associates, will probably provide more useful info than the FreeBSD docs on Apache, except for possibly the location of certain files. I haven't looked at O'Reilly's Sendmail book, but I've been told it is good. A book that covers lots of Unix stuff, including Sendmail, would be Unix System Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth, et al. The latest version has information specific to Red Hat Linux and FreeBSD, I bet it would be a great book, I have the previous version and it is very practical and useful in general. Hope that helps, Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 15:14:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta7-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122E537B40B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:14:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@pandromeda.com) Received: from thorn.pandromeda.com ([210.54.116.186]) by mta7-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20010807222010.SYRY159157.mta7-rme.xtra.co.nz@thorn.pandromeda.com>; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:20:10 +1200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010808095344.02fcbe58@pop3.xtra.co.nz> X-Sender: meda7@pop3.xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:13:58 +1200 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Julian Peterson Subject: Re: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) Cc: David Johnson , kevin godfrey In-Reply-To: <3B70270B.34BAD6D@acuson.com> References: <009301c11e4a$3f560620$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <3B6FCF84.DA6E5177@ticktockman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:36 7/08/2001 -0700, you wrote: >kevin godfrey wrote: > > > So as I see it, most of the major operating systems TCP/IP > implementations are > > based on BSD. If I recall correctly, didn't Linux adopt the BSD stack > not too > > long ago? Or am I mistaken? > >IIRC, Linux used to use the BSD stack, but they have reimplemented it in >2.4x. Why? I don't know. It wasn't broken, so I can only guess >embarassment was the cause. um, no, there's nothing embarrassing about having BSD code in Linux. In fact quite the opposite. There's a bunch of good BSD stuff, and it's used where appropriate. This isn't some dirty secret, it's recognition of what works best. FYI, here's a bit from the "Wonderful World of Linux 2.4" "Linux 2.4 also includes a completely rewritten networking layer. In fact, it has been made as unserialized as possible so that it will scale far better than any previous version of Linux. Additionally, the entire subsystem has been redesigned to be as stable as possible on multiprocessor systems and many possible crashes have been eliminated (this is part of the so called "soft net" changes that have been recently integrated.)." Hope that helps. Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 16:39:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgr1.xmission.com (mgr1.xmission.com [198.60.22.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E155E37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr1.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15UGRn-0000tf-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:39:39 -0600 Received: from [166.70.9.107] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15UGRm-0007bl-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:39:39 -0600 From: Joe Warner To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" , "'Karun'" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:36:49 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <000401c11f75$edbdfb10$8701a8c0@equinox> In-Reply-To: <000401c11f75$edbdfb10$8701a8c0@equinox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080717385600.00260@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can purchase this publication, as well as many others, like The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey at: http://mall.daemonnews.org/ Cheers Joe On Tue, 07 Aug 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ is always a very good reference. You > can buy it in hardcover at http://www.freebsdmall.com. -- Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan M. Slivko > Blinx Networks, Inc. > http://www.blinx.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Karun > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:08 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD Books > > Hello, > I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. What > books would you recommend? > I have had experience using Linux. > > Karun Dambiec > karun@dambiec.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Joe Warner Daemon News Bringing BSD Together Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 16:51:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [144.137.83.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6BC37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karun@dambiec.com) Received: from karun.dambiec.com ([10.0.0.1] helo=dambiec.com ident=www-data) by karun.dambiec.com with smtp (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15UGTT-0006LZ-00; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:41:23 +1000 Received: from prx3.act.schools.net.au ([203.36.54.22]) (proxying for 172.16.1.3, 10.2.108.15) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karun) by www.dambiec.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4180.203.36.54.22.997227683.squirrel@www.dambiec.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books From: "Karun Dambiec" To: In-Reply-To: <01080717385600.00260@blackmirror.xmission.com> References: <01080717385600.00260@blackmirror.xmission.com> Cc: Reply-To: karun@dambiec.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.0 [rc1]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thankyou, ordering it from daemon news actually costs AUS$128 for the book then postage has to be paid. So it is actually more than buying it locally. Karun Dambiec > > You can purchase this publication, as well as many others, like The > Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey at: > > http://mall.daemonnews.org/ > > > Cheers > > Joe > > > > On Tue, 07 Aug 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: >> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ is always a very good reference. You >> can buy it in hardcover at http://www.freebsdmall.com. -- Jonathan >> >> -- >> Jonathan M. Slivko >> Blinx Networks, Inc. >> http://www.blinx.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Karun >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:08 PM >> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >> Subject: FreeBSD Books >> >> Hello, >> I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. >> What books would you recommend? >> I have had experience using Linux. >> >> Karun Dambiec >> karun@dambiec.com >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- > Joe Warner > Daemon News > Bringing BSD Together > Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org > Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 18: 6:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from s8.bn3.com (unknown [209.10.227.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C3D237B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reepy@reepy.org) Received: (qmail 14790 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2001 01:06:23 -0000 Received: from mitax2-025.dialup.optusnet.com.au (HELO pentiumiii600) (198.142.223.25) by 209.10.227.232 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 01:06:23 -0000 Message-ID: <01b601c11fa6$5b6d3380$0200a8c0@localdomain> From: "Mark Greed" To: Cc: References: <20010807145346.77008.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Compaq Proliant 2500 + FreeBSD 4.3 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:06:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've ran freeBSD 4.2 on a Compaq Proliant 1500 (with a smart-2p scsi controller) and it worked amazingly well. This really gave me a lot more respect for freebsd. For some reason i found that the freebsd cd wouldn't boot on my machine, yet other cds would, so all you need to do is set up the boot floppies, chuck the cd in the drive and it will boot from the floppies then recognise the cd. The doco should be on the cd under floppies/README.TXT or check out the hand book at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Since it is a SCSI system, you might have a bit of a problem if you haven't configured the array properly with logical drives and the raid stuff (raid is great on these) using compaq's utility which you can download from http://www.compaq.com/smartstart.html and boot from that cd. At least i think that was it, but it could be diffferent because you machine is newer. But once you have that going it works amazingly well! I was so impressed. I had to set up this server for a class at highschool, and when Win2k wouldn't recognise the scsi stuff, i switched to freebsd, which is what i wanted to do all along. It worked like a dream! And i really impressed (and confused) everyone. Once i figured all of that out i was happy, but it took a while to figure out. I hope this helps you. Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabrizio Ravazzini To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Compaq Proliant 2500 + FreeBSD 4.3 > Hello all, has anyone installed FreeBSD 4.3 on a > Compaq Proliant 2500? > Do I have to make some boot floppies or can I boot the > machine with the installation cdrom? > The scsi array is a 2SL-SMART Array. > If I have to make the floppies where can I find the > documentation which can help me ? > Thanks in advance > > > Up the BSDaemons!!! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ____________________________ BN3 Hosted Customer Service Solution, basic service FREE. CRM enable your web site in 5 minutes! http://www.bn3.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 19: 2:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgr1.xmission.com (mgr1.xmission.com [198.60.22.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BBB37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr1.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15UIfa-0008EV-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:02:02 -0600 Received: from [166.70.9.44] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15UIfZ-00063S-00; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:02:02 -0600 From: Joe Warner To: joe.lawrence@business-aid.net, Thorel , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq Proliant 2500 + FreeBSD 4.3 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:58:53 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010807145346.77008.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> <3B7028B1.76B693FC@business-aid.net> In-Reply-To: <3B7028B1.76B693FC@business-aid.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01080720011907.00260@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi how are you all? OMG, you sound like SirCam. ;-) Seriously, you'll probably have better luck asking this on FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org. This list isn't for asking/answering technical questions. Thanks and good luck. Joe On Tue, 07 Aug 2001, Thorel wrote: > Hi how are you all? > Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? > > Thanxs > > Joe Lawrence > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Joe Warner Daemon News Bringing BSD Together Daemon News E-Zine http://www.daemonnews.org Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Print Magazine http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 19:10: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBD437B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C1E6ACE7; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:40:13 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:40:13 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David Johnson Cc: kevin godfrey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux using BSD TCP/IP stack? (was: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers)) Message-ID: <20010808114013.E78395@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <009301c11e4a$3f560620$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <3B6FCF84.DA6E5177@ticktockman.com> <3B70270B.34BAD6D@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B70270B.34BAD6D@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 10:36:11AM -0700 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 7 August 2001 at 10:36:11 -0700, David Johnson wrote: > kevin godfrey wrote: > >> So as I see it, most of the major operating systems TCP/IP implementations are >> based on BSD. If I recall correctly, didn't Linux adopt the BSD stack not too >> long ago? Or am I mistaken? > > IIRC, Linux used to use the BSD stack, but they have reimplemented it in > 2.4x. Why? I don't know. It wasn't broken, so I can only guess > embarassment was the cause. No, AFAIK Linux never used BSD code. It seems they were concerned about the BSD wars of the time. And last time I looked at it (earlier this year), it was still very different. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 19:20:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from binary.ath.cx (unknown [200.171.41.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C9D37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from binary@binary.ath.cx) Received: (from binary@localhost) by binary.ath.cx (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f782IVB00645; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:18:31 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from binary) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:18:30 -0300 From: BinarySoul To: FFONT@bouyguestelecom.fr Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk space Message-ID: <20010807231830.B486@binary.ath.cx> References: <733921995D61D4118F7900508BDF874806A3ABBF@bt1sqtgj.bpa.bouyguestelecom.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <733921995D61D4118F7900508BDF874806A3ABBF@bt1sqtgj.bpa.bouyguestelecom.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try using PowerQuest PartitionMagic(R), fips or another 'Damage Free' Partitioner. FFONT@bouyguestelecom.fr escreveu: > Hi everybody, > I have my machine under FreeBSD 4-3 Stable and Windows 98 and two > partitions. > 1st partition: Windows 10 Gb > 2nd partition: FreeBSD 2 Gb > I would like to reduce my Windows partition and increase FreeBSD's one > because my /usr is full (1.4 Gb) > So I can't install new applications under FreeBSD. > > What can I do to obtain the result below: > > 1st partition: 9Gb > 2nd partition: 3 Gb (with /usr = 2.4Gb) > > Thanks for your help. > fabrice > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 20: 0:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from binary.ath.cx (unknown [200.171.41.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF7537B403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from binary@binary.ath.cx) Received: (from binary@localhost) by binary.ath.cx (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f782wdR00953; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:58:39 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from binary) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:58:38 -0300 From: BinarySoul To: Bad Mamma Jamma Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound not configured right Message-ID: <20010807235838.C486@binary.ath.cx> References: <001201c11f74$98465ca0$1200a8c0@tbird> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001201c11f74$98465ca0$1200a8c0@tbird> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm... have you created the snd devices? just type: #cd /dev #./MAKEDEV snd0 #ls -la /dev > /dev/dsp If you hear some kind of noise, its working :) Bad Mamma Jamma escreveu: > > Hi all, I'm attempting to get my sound card going and I'm having some problems. I have a Crystal 4236 onboard sound card in a Dell Optiplex GX1 running 4.3-STABLE. I added "device pcm" and "device csa" to the kernel, recompiled, rebooted and per the handbook cat'd /dev/sndstat and got "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such file or directory". Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what I may be doing wrong? I checked the archives and didn't find anything. Thanks for your time. > > Regards, Mike > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 21:15:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web20205.mail.yahoo.com (web20205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF92D37B405 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsdmaillist@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010808041513.31400.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.138.46.49] by web20205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:15:13 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone, I bought the complete FreeBSD book, with the 4.2-stable release on cd. It also came with several other cds containing packages and other utilities. I bought it on ebay and only paid $25 US after shipping. If there are not any on ebay, I believe you can get it for about $50 Us at Comp USA. It's called the BSD Power Pak. Hope that helps. Sincerely, Preston __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 22:52:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE8D37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f785qg808284; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Brian Raynes" , "freebsd newbies" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:52:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c11fce$56795200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3B705769.D1BD0924@dnr.state.ak.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brian Raynes >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 2:03 PM >To: freebsd newbies >Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books > > >The Corporate Networker's Guide to FreeBSD, by Ted Mittelstaedt (I hope >the title is right? Maybe Ted can forgive me if I'm wrong, since I :-) See the book website, URL is in the sig. >shelled out the $50 US for it :) ) is a good book also and current with >the 4.x branch, in fact it came with an install CD with 4.2 release. It >is also thinner, but with less reference material than "The Complete >FreeBSD". > >I own both, they've helped in different ways with many things. I think >if you want a Windows/Unix print and file server, Ted's book seems to >have very good specifics for how to set that up (unless you want to use >a non-postscript printer, but the book indicates that that was >intentional). It was. Businesses by nature are more willing to throw a few hundred dollars at a problem to solve it rather than a complicated software solution, while home users typically want to avoid spending anything if possible and so will spend 10 times longer to get a software solution going. In the case of Postscript, the cost of a PostScript SIMM for the typical HP Laserjet is going to be much cheaper for a business than the time the network administrator takes to set up Ghostscript. I myself have used both solutions at home and I'd vote for the PostScript SIMM every time as a result of that experience. Of course, color printing is different since most color printers that don't cost an arm and a leg don't support PostScript, so Ghostscript is a requirement. But I've observed that the cheap color printers tend to drink color ink like there's no tomorrow and I can't see many businesses justifying the expense of them. So, I left the complicated Ghostscript setups to the mailing list. :-) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Aug 7 23:44:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F359E37B403 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f786i7b08458; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "kevin godfrey" Cc: Subject: RE: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c11fd5$8546f680$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3B6FCF84.DA6E5177@ticktockman.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of kevin godfrey >Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:23 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Actual Microsoft Question (Was: Re: Microsoft Bashers) > > >Thanks for the answer Ted. It helped me understand a little better the >history. >So as I see it, most of the major operating systems TCP/IP >implementations are >based on BSD. If I recall correctly, didn't Linux adopt the BSD >stack not too >long ago? Or am I mistaken? If not, that means that Windows, Apple >(as of OS >X) and Linux are made up of the BSD TCP/IP implementation. Possibly >even BeOS >(I believe it is, but I cannot confirm. When I was working on a utility for >BeOS, I remember running across some mention of the BSD TCP/IP >implementation). >If I'm not mistaken, that's a pretty impressive feat. > What's the most impressive is that most people have pretty much followed the TCP/IP implementation put forth on BSD. It's not so much that the IP stack code has been copied verbatim, but rather that most of the interfaces that the original BSD code defined have been followed. Even the poor DOS implementations have a SERVICES file for example. Even NetWare does! With a networking protocol as complicated as TCP/IP, you would think that everyone would be out attempting to invent a better wheel. But IP implementations have pretty much stayed the same across most platforms. I mean, just look at Telnet for example. Every Windows version that came with the Microsoft-supplied IP stack includes the Telnet program. Yet there is not a single Microsoft operating system that comes with a Telnet server, and in fact a Telnet server makes little sense for a Windows OS anyway. That ought to be proof enough of the importance even non-UNIX people put on copying a UNIX implementation of TCP/IP. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 1: 8:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [144.137.83.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1A437B401; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 01:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karun@dambiec.com) Received: from karun.dambiec.com ([10.0.0.1] helo=dambiec.com ident=karun) by karun.dambiec.com with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15UOED-0007N3-00; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:58:09 +1000 Message-ID: <3B70F111.37FF0881@dambiec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:58:09 +1000 From: Karun X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Mail Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I am presently using exim on debian as my mail server, as it is part of the installation. I am planning to migrate the server to freebsd, and i am not sure about the different features of mail servers. I am hosting a small server which only has about 20 email addresses at dambiec.com and i have settings for the rbl in the exim config. Anybody have any sugestions about what server to use? I use the imap protocol and was thinking about possibly using courier. Karun Dambiec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 4:32: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sr3.terra.com.br (sr3.terra.com.br [200.176.3.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9C037B411 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gandalf@sum.desktop.com.br) Received: from srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br (srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br [200.177.250.46]) by sr3.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28758; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:31:55 -0300 Received: from marcelo.middle.earth (200.207.52.86.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.207.52.86] (may be forged)) by srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f78BVs922913; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:31:54 -0300 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:43:21 -0300 (BRST) From: Marcelo Pereira X-Sender: gandalf@marcelo.middle.earth To: Karun Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books In-Reply-To: <3B703C8F.E54269EA@dambiec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What do you think about 'FreeBSD Handbook' ?? This is a great book and you can read about all you need in this book. See ya, Marcelo Pereira -- Remember that only God and Esc+:w saves. __ (_.\ Marcelo Pereira | / / ___ marcelo@pereira.com | / (_/ _ \__ Matematica/99 - Imecc | _______\____/_\___)___Unicamp_______________/ --- You, with your fast fingers, wrote: :> Hello, :> I am planning to purchase a book about FreeBSD and learn about it. What :> books would you recommend? :> I have had experience using Linux. :> :> Karun Dambiec :> karun@dambiec.com :> :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 4:39:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B48C37B42A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from js@jonsonn.de) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15URg8-0001Ko-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:39:12 +0200 Received: from b050a.pppool.de ([213.7.5.10] helo=jonsonn) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15URg7-00028G-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:39:11 +0200 From: "Jonas Sonntag" To: Subject: AW: open ports Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:41:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i was wondering about the same some time ago and turned off everything i do not actually need. everything but a service called 'SUN Remote Procedure Call' running on tcp 111. i'm still curious to know what this is for, and how i could maybe turn it off, if i don't have use for it. can someone help? i'm using 4.3-RELEASE tnx. j. -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]Im Auftrag von Agemo Noraj Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. August 2001 23:57 An: Thorel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Betreff: Re: open ports On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Thorel wrote: > Hi how are you all? > Ok i have a question how do i turn on and of ports on my freebsd computer? > > Thanxs > > Joe Lawrence The quickest way to turn off and on common services is to edit /etc/inetd.conf If you see something that doesn't have a '#' in the beginnging of the line, ask your self if you wan't others to be able to play with that service. Put a '#' in front, and then from the command line, killall -HUP inetd To further complicate the issues, if you want the service available but only to certain hosts, from the command line man hosts.allow or man hosts.deny If you want to have even more control over incoming/outgoing connections, from the command line, man ipfw or man ipf If your wondering what ports you have open on your box. From the command line, netstat -an | grep LISTEN If your wondering what services those ports are, from the command line, grep /etc/services Agemo Noraj -_-_-_-_-_ " What an excellent day for an exorcism. " _-_-_-_-_- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 5:23:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secfw2.sec.gov (mail.sec.gov [204.192.28.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917F637B40A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RothW@SEC.GOV) Received: by secfw2.sec.gov; id IAA11411; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:23:44 -0400 Received: from unknown(162.138.5.35) by secfw2.sec.gov via smap id xma011341; Wed, 8 Aug 01 08:23:28 -0400 Received: by HQ-SEC-MT1.sec.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Roth, William" To: "Roth, William" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Complete FreeBSD v. FreeBSD Handbook Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:23:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who has both. What does the Handbook have that Complete does not. I used Complete. I found it very informative. It guides you thru many but not all basic steps. My own complaint is that it is occassionally a little sloppily edited--it has HOW-TOs and other pre-existing docs inserted. Sometimes, the cut-n-paste job was not smooth. Basically, I am very happy with the book, but I don't want to buy the Handbook if it just reiterates the same content. If somebody who has read both could comment... Bud To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 6:24:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A3937B403 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 06:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f78Crol36340; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:53:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:53:49 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Roth, William" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD v. FreeBSD Handbook Message-ID: <20010808135349.M23891@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EOHJn1TVIJfeVXv2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from RothW@SEC.GOV on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --EOHJn1TVIJfeVXv2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0400, Roth, William wrote: > Who has both. What does the Handbook have that Complete does not. I used > Complete. I found it very informative. It guides you thru many but not = all > basic steps. My own complaint is that it is occassionally a little slopp= ily > edited--it has HOW-TOs and other pre-existing docs inserted. Sometimes, = the > cut-n-paste job was not smooth. Basically, I am very happy with the book, > but I don't want to buy the Handbook if it just reiterates the same conte= nt. >=20 > If somebody who has read both could comment... Read the Handbook online, at=20 http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ =20 It is also available in a variety of different formats (including PS and PD= F) from=20 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/ We're gearing up to print a second edition of the Handbook around October / November time. You can see the current task list for that process at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/handbook.html And if you think that any content in the Handbook is not clearly written, or could be improved upon, you are strongly encouraged to help out by submitting changes and commentary, and by joining the doc@FreeBSD.org mailing list. Contributors are acknowledged in the Handbook, so this could be your chance to see your name in print. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --EOHJn1TVIJfeVXv2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtxNl0ACgkQk6gHZCw343WvewCeOjIayORGe540RPTrzG3ErXEM vr4AoIjkbbL9MAoQ7UFkebcwt+628h0a =5eP6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EOHJn1TVIJfeVXv2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 7: 0:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srv12-poa.poa.terra.com.br (srv12-poa.terra.com.br [200.176.2.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D470937B405 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gandalf@sum.desktop.com.br) Received: from srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br (srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br [200.177.250.46]) by srv12-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f78E0Dq19617; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:00:21 -0300 (GMT) Received: from marcelo.middle.earth (200.207.52.86.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.207.52.86] (may be forged)) by srv9-sao.sao.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f78E0A906551; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:00:10 -0300 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:11:36 -0300 (BRST) From: Marcelo Pereira X-Sender: gandalf@marcelo.middle.earth To: "Roth, William" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Complete FreeBSD v. FreeBSD Handbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi... The 'Handbook' is free and you can download the {ps,pdf,html} files at the freebsd site... See ya Marcelo Pereira -- Remember that only God and Esc+:w saves. __ (_.\ Marcelo Pereira | / / ___ marcelo@pereira.com | / (_/ _ \__ Matematica/99 - Imecc | _______\____/_\___)___Unicamp_______________/ --- You, with your fast fingers, wrote: :> Who has both. What does the Handbook have that Complete does not. I used :> Complete. I found it very informative. It guides you thru many but not all :> basic steps. My own complaint is that it is occassionally a little sloppily :> edited--it has HOW-TOs and other pre-existing docs inserted. Sometimes, the :> cut-n-paste job was not smooth. Basically, I am very happy with the book, :> but I don't want to buy the Handbook if it just reiterates the same content. :> :> :> If somebody who has read both could comment... :> :> Bud :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 8: 1:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB2D837B40B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 1823 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2001 15:01:33 -0000 Received: from pd4b9eee2.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO kiste) (212.185.238.226) by mail.gmx.net (mail10) with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 15:01:33 -0000 Message-ID: <00a101c1201b$1905c960$0408a8c0@localdomain> From: "Michael Nottebrock" To: "Jonas Sonntag" , References: Subject: Re: open ports Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:02:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Jonas Sonntag" > [...] > everything but a service called 'SUN Remote Procedure Call' running on tcp > 111. i'm still curious to know what this is for, and how i could maybe > turn it off, if i don't have use for it. > can someone help? > i'm using 4.3-RELEASE > [...] This is the rpc portmapper service. You will need it, if you need to run an NFS server on your machine. To turn it off for good, edit /etc/rc.conf and reboot the machine: portmap_enable="NO" # Run the portmapper service (or NO). Instead of rebooting, you can of course just 'killall portmap' (as root). Note that this will stop the NFS server daemon from working (you will not be able to export file systems). You don't need the portmapper for accessing NFS-exported filesystems on other machines. See also: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/nfs.html Greetings, Michael Nottebrock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 8:18:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obtintsrv.orientalfg.com (unknown [209.88.166.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C5437B40D for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CarlosF@ORIENTALFG.com) Received: by OBTINTSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <29E99247AFFFD111A79C00E0291F01F6F408CD@nt_hatorey> From: Carlos Figueroa To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:21:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1201D.CC310B92" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1201D.CC310B92-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 10: 2: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (dced.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654DE37B414 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.115]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GHRDZD00.05T; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:02:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3B717111.ED45BE9A@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:04:17 -0800 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: FreeBSD Books References: <002701c11fce$56795200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > home users typically want to avoid spending anything if possible and so will > spend 10 times longer to get a software solution going. That's me right now. If I was getting paid, even poorly, I would quickly justify PostScript over the alternative. Of course, my favorite solution, in a production environment, has been the HP JetDirect Card. It _seems to me_ to require almost no administration of any significance after install. I guess that would hardly justify a book chapter though:) I've been the only person in our Department (I'm a State employee) who has run into inconvenience because of no queue on the Samba server. If you want to copy a print file directly to a port in Windows, you need to have a Windows printer share. We use Samba here, but the printers are mostly not shared that way since the JetDirect cards arrived. The printers could still be shared that way, but it would defeat the purpose of the Department in going to the JetDirect Cards in the first place (to eliminate the print serving administration). > So, I left the complicated Ghostscript setups to the > mailing list. :-) Good choice. O'Reilly's Network Printing book has the best coverage of how to do that that I could find, why try to duplicate within part of a chapter what seems to require two or three to cover adequately in someone else's book?? And yes, all my birthday and christmas presents are gift certificates from Barnes & Noble and Borders spent on computer books - my library is getting pretty large in the last two years. Thanks for writing "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" :) Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 13:25:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4FE37B406 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from HaxCode4u@home.com) Received: from jasondod ([24.6.45.31]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010808202551.JMRL24642.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@jasondod> for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c12048$512507c0$0400a8c0@jasondod> From: "Jason Dodson" To: Subject: Win2k and BootManager....for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:25:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jason Dodson" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I have FreeBSD installed on my IDE RAID drives and I have win2k installed on a seperate IDE drive (non-raid). How do I set up FreeBSD to allow for selection of Win2k at boot time? Thanks Just a link or something will do.... Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 14:25:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [144.137.83.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721B137B416 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karun@dambiec.com) Received: from karun.dambiec.com ([10.0.0.1] helo=dambiec.com ident=karun) by karun.dambiec.com with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1 (Debian)) id 15Uafs-0000I6-00 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:15:32 +1000 Message-ID: <3B71ABF3.A09D8E7C@dambiec.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 07:15:32 +1000 From: Karun X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: The Complete FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am going to purchase The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edtion. I would also like to purchase Ted's book but as a Student i can't afford to buy both books. Karun Dambiec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 14:32:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from itouch.co.nz (itouch.co.nz [203.99.66.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB20F37B406; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@itouch.co.nz) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by itouch.co.nz (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f78LVld18667; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:31:47 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:31:47 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: Karun Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail Server Message-ID: <20010809093147.A16091@itouchnz.itouch> References: <3B70F111.37FF0881@dambiec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B70F111.37FF0881@dambiec.com>; from karun@dambiec.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 05:58:09PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 05:58:09PM +1000, Karun wrote: > Hello > I am presently using exim on debian as my mail server, as it is part of > the installation. I am planning to migrate the server to freebsd, and i > am not sure about the different features of mail servers. I am hosting a > small server which only has about 20 email addresses at dambiec.com and > i have settings for the rbl in the exim config. Anybody have any > sugestions about what server to use? If you've got the most experience using exim, why not stick with it? # cd /usr/ports/mail/exim # make && make install && make clean Tweak the /etc/rc.conf configs as recommended, and you're away. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Internet: an empirical test of the idea that a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards can produce Shakespeare To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 14:33:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from devserver (unknown [64.132.176.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34A737B447 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from support@tipclub.com) Received: from mail pickup service by devserver with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:32:31 -0400 From: To: Subject: Welcome To Tipclub Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:32:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2001 21:32:31.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[A13995B0:01C12051] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have been referred to us to receive a Free Trial Membership to the first-ever online Tip Club. 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Learn more about how tip clubs work: http://www.bni-sac.com/sacbee17jul.html http://centralohio.thesource.net/Files/9508162.html http://www.entrepreneur.com/Magazines/MA_SegArticle/0,1539,266943----1-,00 html http://austin.bcentral.com/austin/stories/1997/05/12/smallb4.html http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/120699/abc_biztips.shtml http://columbus.bcentral.com/columbus/stories/1998/09/21/smallb1.html http://atlanta.bcentral.com/atlanta/stories/1999/07/19/smallb1.html http://columbus.bcentral.com/columbus/stories/2000/10/09/smallb1.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 14:37:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunspare.hccnet.nl (sunspare.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AD537B401 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon196405@bigfoot.com) Received: from none52aqg24pmy by sunspare.hccnet.nl via uds3-33.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.33.3] with SMTP id XAA10151 (8.8.8/1.13); Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:37:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Simon Siemonsma" To: "Jason Dodson" , Subject: RE: Win2k and BootManager....for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:37:25 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002b01c12048$512507c0$0400a8c0@jasondod> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understood that both systems are already installed. What you need is a boot manager. On the FreeBSD CD in the tools directory you will find a tool to install the bootmanager. You will find more details in the README file. (in Windows I recommend to open it with IE, otherwise it is not readable) I found it most practical to run it from a bootable floppy. Only install the boot manager at the drive which the BIOS uses to start-up the system. Simon Siemonsma > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Dodson > Sent: woensdag 8 augustus 2001 22:26 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Win2k and BootManager....for FreeBSD > > > Ok, I have FreeBSD installed on my IDE RAID drives and I have win2k > installed on a seperate IDE drive (non-raid). How do I set > up FreeBSD to > allow for selection of Win2k at boot time? > > Thanks > > > Just a link or something will do.... > > > Jason > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 17: 5:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.wasantara.net.id (unknown [202.159.65.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7A7B37B401 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bimasena@palembang.wasantara.net.id) Received: (qmail 26166 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 01:23:41 -0000 Received: from palembang.wasantara.net.id (202.159.86.163) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 01:23:41 -0000 Received: from PALEMBANG/SpoolDir by palembang.wasantara.net.id (Mercury 1.44); 9 Aug 01 07:08:19 +0700 Received: from SpoolDir by PALEMBANG (Mercury 1.44); 8 Aug 01 23:47:04 +0700 Received: from palembang (202.159.86.137) by palembang.wasantara.net.id (Mercury 1.44); 8 Aug 01 23:47:01 +0700 X-Sender: bimasena@palembang.wasantara.net.id (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD-newbies From: Dayan Subject: Apology from Dayan Message-ID: <1B072811E9@palembang.wasantara.net.id> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings ! Just a few hours a go, I had a mistake. In order to get various FreeBSD lists in one line and for the ease, I subscribe some of those lists to my recently [freebsd-lists-for-dayan-only@yahoogroups.com] list. I did not realized what kind off mess would happened then, until I received respond mails about it from those lists. I then immediately deleted all those lists from my Yahoogroups list. Now, I got every list, after resubscribe. That was not a spam neither violation action to any list I subscribe. Please do accept of my apology for this inconvenience. BTW, I am now in a process to migrate to FreeBSD. That is why I am 'hungry' of any information for the preparation. :) Sincerely, Sharif Dayan Palembang-Indonesia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 18:23: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.equinox.net (unknown [204.68.168.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7F5A37B409 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmcalpine@macconnect.com) Received: (qmail 2844 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 01:23:05 -0000 Received: from 66-108-96-32.nyc.rr.com (HELO ?10.0.1.3?) (66.108.96.32) by relay02.equinox.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 01:23:05 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:23:05 -0400 Subject: Question About DU From: Brendan McAlpine To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B71ABF3.A09D8E7C@dambiec.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How does the DU command measure disk space? Does it return results in 1K block files? ie., in the following example bash-2.01$ du -s mrtg 3199 mrtg Does this mean that my mrtg folder is 3199K big? TIA Brendan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 18:30:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from k0r3.reflektor.cz (k0r3.reflektor.cz [212.24.129.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA4C737B403 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cynic@mail.cz) Received: (qmail 9996 invoked by uid 202); 9 Aug 2001 01:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zvahlav.mail.cz) (212.24.143.100) by k0r3.reflektor.cz with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 01:30:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809033754.00b4f558@mail.cz> X-Sender: cynic@mail.cz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 03:39:51 +0200 To: Brendan McAlpine , From: Cynic Subject: Re: Question About DU In-Reply-To: References: <3B71ABF3.A09D8E7C@dambiec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :: $ man du :: The du utility displays the file system block usage for each file argu=AD :: ment and for each directory in the file hierarchy rooted in each directo= =AD :: ry argument. If no file is specified, the block usage of the hierarchy :: rooted in the current directory is displayed. If the -k flag is speci=AD :: fied, the number of 1024-byte blocks used by the file is displayed, oth= =AD :: erwise getbsize(3) is used to determine the preferred block size. Par= =AD :: tial numbers of blocks are rounded up. ... :: -h "Human-readable" output. Use unit suffixes: Byte, Kilobyte, :: Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte and Petabyte At 03:23 8/9/2001, Brendan McAlpine wrote the following: --------------------------------------------------------------=20 >How does the DU command measure disk space? Does it return results in 1K >block files? > >ie., in the following example > >bash-2.01$ du -s mrtg >3199 mrtg > >Does this mean that my mrtg folder is 3199K big? > >TIA > >Brendan > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message=20 ------end of quote------=20 cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 19:25:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4B237B401 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from TGuida01@optonline.net) Received: from p1 (ool-18bc47cb.dyn.optonline.net [24.188.71.203]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GHS003IH42JCU@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:25:32 -0400 From: Thom Guida Subject: Hello All To: freeBSD-newbies@freeBSD.org Reply-To: Tguida01@optonline.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org By trade I am an IT Recruiter for over 26 yrs., by necessity the untrained, learned by the seat of the pants office tech. We use MS Win2K Server & WS. They have been good for our needs but my increasing paranoia have sent me to the UNIX world for a possible FreeBSD server w/Samba handling our MS WS applications. I now have some hands on in both worlds and now know why *nix oriented support REKs typically pay better than MS ones. I have been lurking in "newbies" and "mobile" and see the amount of cooperation and problem solving capability as comfort (as I try to move forward) and testimony to how "bright" and experienced the contributors are. My hat is off to you all and I hope I have enough spare time, patience and capability to learn this OS. Respectfully, Thom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Aug 8 22:59:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949CC37B401 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f795x2b11341; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Karun" , Subject: RE: The Complete FreeBSD Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c12098$63baf840$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3B71ABF3.A09D8E7C@dambiec.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As a student you should be able to bug your student library to order a copy. It might also be available via interlibrary loan. In fact checking the local library here they bought 2 copies and they already have 2 holds pending for people wanting to check them out when they get in. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Karun >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:16 PM >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: The Complete FreeBSD > > >I am going to purchase The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edtion. I would also >like to purchase Ted's book but as a Student i can't afford to buy both >books. > >Karun Dambiec > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 0:11: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50FF37B405 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f797Axb11520; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Brian Raynes" Cc: "freebsd newbies" Subject: RE: FreeBSD Books Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: <005b01c120a2$70e2ff40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3B717111.ED45BE9A@dnr.state.ak.us> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Raynes [mailto:brian_raynes@dnr.state.ak.us] >though:) I've been the only person in our Department (I'm a State >employee) who has run into inconvenience because of no queue on the >Samba server. If you want to copy a print file directly to a port in >Windows, you need to have a Windows printer share. We use Samba here, >but the printers are mostly not shared that way since the JetDirect >cards arrived. You can directly LPR to the JetDirect cards even while they are being used by Windows systems connected to them with that silly JetDirect Port software. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 0:20:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from filer.fr.clara.net (filer.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE47337B401 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@fr.clara.net) Received: from munster.noc.fr.clara.net (munster.noc.fr.clara.net [212.43.195.20]) by filer.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619EA2F9D; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:20:41 +0200 (CEST) From: James X-Sender: james@munster.noc.fr.clara.net To: Brendan McAlpine Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question About DU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think its bytes, but the -h option is friendlier --human... James On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Brendan McAlpine wrote: > How does the DU command measure disk space? Does it return results in 1K > block files? > > ie., in the following example > > bash-2.01$ du -s mrtg > 3199 mrtg > > Does this mean that my mrtg folder is 3199K big? > > TIA > > Brendan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 3:35:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com (cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com [137.237.241.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FC537B403 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@harris.com) Received: by cindrpmx1.corp.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: <95B669A7D872D41182A600508BDFFB8C01BECD6B@mlbmx7.ess.harris.com> From: "Potts, Ross" To: 'Cynic' , Brendan McAlpine , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Question About DU Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:35:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try du -k. That's what works on my solaris machines. -----Original Message----- From: Cynic [mailto:cynic@mail.cz] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:40 PM To: Brendan McAlpine; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question About DU :: $ man du :: The du utility displays the file system block usage for each file = argu=AD :: ment and for each directory in the file hierarchy rooted in each = directo=AD :: ry argument. If no file is specified, the block usage of the = hierarchy :: rooted in the current directory is displayed. If the -k flag is = speci=AD :: fied, the number of 1024-byte blocks used by the file is displayed, = oth=AD :: erwise getbsize(3) is used to determine the preferred block size. = Par=AD :: tial numbers of blocks are rounded up. ... :: -h "Human-readable" output. Use unit suffixes: Byte, Kilobyte, :: Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte and Petabyte At 03:23 8/9/2001, Brendan McAlpine wrote the following: --------------------------------------------------------------=20 >How does the DU command measure disk space? Does it return results in = 1K >block files? > >ie., in the following example > >bash-2.01$ du -s mrtg >3199 mrtg > >Does this mean that my mrtg folder is 3199K big? > >TIA > >Brendan > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message=20 ------end of quote------=20 cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 9: 6:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from micro-mania.net (micro1.micro-mania.net [204.214.90.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CBC37B403 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zwade@micro-mania.net) Received: from micro-mania.net [204.214.90.154] by micro-mania.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5BD240024; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:09:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3B72B55B.9DD7A196@micro-mania.net> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 10:07:55 -0600 From: "Z. Wade" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies Subject: preferred printers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0CA91589C510FCF79008E26F" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------0CA91589C510FCF79008E26F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I am about to go shopping for a new printer. I am currently using freeBSD 4.2. My question is simple. Do any of you have "favorite" printers? Have any of you found a certain type and model to be superior to others, for use with our favorite OS? If so, could you please make a comment or two? Regards, Z. Wade Hampton Missoula, MT -- My Cyber Space Home http://www.zwade.net UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven. Learn it. Use it. Live it. --------------0CA91589C510FCF79008E26F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all,
I am about to go shopping for a new printer.
I am currently using freeBSD 4.2.
My question is simple.
Do any of you have "favorite" printers?
Have any of you found a certain type and model to be superior to others, for use with our favorite OS?
If so, could you please make a comment or two?

Regards,
Z. Wade Hampton
Missoula, MT
  

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UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven.
Learn it.  Use it.  Live it.
  --------------0CA91589C510FCF79008E26F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 10:17:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mlbmx2.corp.harris.com (mlbmx2.corp.harris.com [137.237.90.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9C437B401 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpotts@harris.com) Received: by mlbmx2.corp.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: <95B669A7D872D41182A600508BDFFB8C01BECD6F@mlbmx7.ess.harris.com> From: "Potts, Ross" To: "'Z. Wade'" , newbies Subject: RE: preferred printers Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C120F7.348EF6C0" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F7.348EF6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Best to consult the compatibility list in the release info. -----Original Message----- From: Z. Wade [mailto:zwade@micro-mania.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:08 PM To: newbies Subject: preferred printers Hello all, I am about to go shopping for a new printer. I am currently using freeBSD 4.2. My question is simple. Do any of you have "favorite" printers? Have any of you found a certain type and model to be superior to others, for use with our favorite OS? If so, could you please make a comment or two? Regards, Z. Wade Hampton Missoula, MT -- My Cyber Space Home http://www.zwade.net UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven. Learn it. Use it. Live it. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F7.348EF6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Best to consult the compatibility list in the release info.
-----Original Message-----
From: Z. Wade [mailto:zwade@micro-mania.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:08 PM
To: newbies
Subject: preferred printers

Hello all,
I am about to go shopping for a new printer.
I am currently using freeBSD 4.2.
My question is simple.
Do any of you have "favorite" printers?
Have any of you found a certain type and model to be superior to others, for use with our favorite OS?
If so, could you please make a comment or two?

Regards,
Z. Wade Hampton
Missoula, MT
  

-- 
My Cyber Space Home
http://www.zwade.net
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C120F7.348EF6C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 16: 7:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (a98210.ntown.com [208.245.98.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F23F37B401; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from rigel.milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15967; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:23:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: by rigel.milkyway.org with Microsoft Mail id <01C12106.614644C0@rigel.milkyway.org>; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:06:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01C12106.614644C0@rigel.milkyway.org> From: Toby Swanson To: "'Karun'" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Mail Server Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Qpopper and sendmail are one choice. -----Original Message----- From: Karun [SMTP:karun@dambiec.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:58 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mail Server Hello I am presently using exim on debian as my mail server, as it is part of the installation. I am planning to migrate the server to freebsd, and i am not sure about the different features of mail servers. I am hosting a small server which only has about 20 email addresses at dambiec.com and i have settings for the rbl in the exim config. Anybody have any sugestions about what server to use? I use the imap protocol and was thinking about possibly using courier. Karun Dambiec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 19:38: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D2437B403 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmarcus@psych.fslife.co.uk) Received: from modem-744.articuno.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.22.232] helo=c5x0l3) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15V2BR-0002Bb-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 03:37:57 +0100 From: "mark" To: Subject: bsd 4.4 installation Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:49:24 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've picked up a copy of BSD v4.4 and Im having trouble installing it (Bet you've never heard that one before!). It seems to recognise all my hardware during the initial stages, then it tries to mount the floppy as root/boot? I think it's meant to go for the cd or HD instead but I'm not sure. Anyway, it then gives a double panic error (?) and hangs with the message "syncing disks". I hope this question isn't too dumb, but if you could help me out I'd be very grateful. Mark W P.S I'm booting from a floppy as my BIOS doesn't recognise my CD-ROM. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Aug 9 22:50:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B34137B401 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f7A5oZb14597; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Z. Wade" , "newbies" Subject: RE: preferred printers Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:50:35 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c12160$5fe7fa60$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12125.B3892260" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3B72B55B.9DD7A196@micro-mania.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12125.B3892260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What kind of printing do you want to do? Color? B&W? high-volume? low-volume? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Z. Wade Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:08 AM To: newbies Subject: preferred printers Hello all, I am about to go shopping for a new printer. I am currently using freeBSD 4.2. My question is simple. Do any of you have "favorite" printers? Have any of you found a certain type and model to be superior to others, for use with our favorite OS? If so, could you please make a comment or two? Regards, Z. Wade Hampton Missoula, MT -- My Cyber Space Home http://www.zwade.net UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven. Learn it. Use it. Live it. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12125.B3892260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  = ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12125.B3892260-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 10 7:22:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.com (sentry.granch.com [212.109.197.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3586537B403 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.com) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.com (8.11.5/8.11.4) id f7AEMiI16943; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:22:44 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from shelton) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Rashid N. Achilov" Organization: Granch Ltd. To: FFONT@bouyguestelecom.fr, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disk space Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:22:44 +0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <733921995D61D4118F7900508BDF874806A3ABBF@bt1sqtgj.bpa.bouyguestelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <733921995D61D4118F7900508BDF874806A3ABBF@bt1sqtgj.bpa.bouyguestelecom.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081021224404.12704@sentry.granch.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 07 August 2001 19:28, FFONT@bouyguestelecom.fr wrote: >> > What can I do to obtain the result below: > > 1st partition: 9Gb > 2nd partition: 3 Gb (with /usr = 2.4Gb) > To reduce Windows partition you can use Partition Magic - it's excellent toolkit for similar tasks. For my pity, it doesn't support FreeBSD partitions and can't shrink/grow it. So, you have to create new "slice" at freed space, create new filesystem and mount it at any mount point. New STABLE includes 'growfs' utility, but I know nothing about it's reilability. -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Web: http://granch.ru/~shelton Granch Ltd. system administrator, e-mail: achilov@granch.ru PGP: 83 CD E2 A7 37 4A D5 81 D6 D6 52 BF C9 2F 85 AF 97 BE CB 0A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 10 19:10:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A8637B403 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7B2A1D79577 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200108110210.f7B2A1D79577@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 10 20:56:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web13602.mail.yahoo.com (web13602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E2D837B407 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bzdik@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010811035614.82120.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.16.193.228] by web13602.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:56:13 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bzdik BSD Subject: Re: The Complete FreeBSD To: Karun , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3B71ABF3.A09D8E7C@dambiec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Karun wrote: > I am going to purchase The Complete FreeBSD 3rd Edtion. I would also > like to purchase Ted's book but as a Student i can't afford to buy > both > books. > > Karun Dambiec If you look at handbook you'll get the updated Complete and Beyond for free, whilst Ted's book is invaluable know-how on how to set thing in enterprise fishtanks. Hurry slowly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Aug 10 23:21: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from digitalfoundry.ca (109-host230.in2net.com [208.181.109.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A03637B401 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rey@digitalfoundry.ca) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200108102316.AA24445334@digitalfoundry.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Rey Lim" Reply-To: To: Subject: Booting X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_5__ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I installed Freebsd just today, and after i get that "Freebsd has now been installed on your system" message, i exited install and rebooted. But once i rebooted and got to the boot menu, freebsd wasn't on the list. I have two windows operating systems installed on my computer, windows 98 and windows 2000. (They were installed before freebsd was installed), and windows 98 is on a seperate hdd, while win2k and freebsd is on another paritioned hdd. And yes, i did put an X mark beside install Boot Manager during the installation of FreeBSD. A friend told me to install the boot manager through DOS, and that i needed some other files that i couldn't find on the ISO image that i burned from you guys. (boot0) Need some help on this, because freebsd ain't booting. Thanks Rey p.s. btw..i have no experience whatsoever with freebsd, or any unix os', so that kinda puts me in a bad position. --------------------- Web development and design services @ http://www.digitalfoundry.ca __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 11 0: 6:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunspare.hccnet.nl (sunspare.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A27F37B406 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon196405@bigfoot.com) Received: from none52aqg24pmy by sunspare.hccnet.nl via uds180-55.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.55.180] with SMTP id JAA14725 (8.8.8/1.13); Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:06:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Simon Siemonsma" To: , Subject: RE: Booting Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:06:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200108102316.AA24445334@digitalfoundry.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look in the tools directory on your FreeBSD 4.3 CD. The readme file, states wich files you need. Simon Siemonsma > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rey Lim > Sent: zaterdag 11 augustus 2001 8:17 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Booting > > > Hi, > > > I installed Freebsd just today, and after i get that > "Freebsd has now been installed on your system" message, i > exited install and rebooted. But once i rebooted and got to > the boot menu, freebsd wasn't on the list. I have two > windows operating systems installed on my computer, windows > 98 and windows 2000. (They were installed before freebsd was > installed), and windows 98 is on a seperate hdd, while win2k > and freebsd is on another paritioned hdd. > And yes, i did put an X mark beside install Boot Manager > during the installation of FreeBSD. > A friend told me to install the boot manager through DOS, > and that i needed some other files that i couldn't find on > the ISO image that i burned from you guys. (boot0) > Need some help on this, because freebsd ain't booting. > > Thanks > > Rey > > p.s. btw..i have no experience whatsoever with freebsd, or > any unix os', so that kinda puts me in a bad position. > > --------------------- > Web development and design services @ http://www.digitalfoundry.ca > > > > __________________________________________________ > D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" > http://www.doteasy.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 18-7-2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 11 22:59:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from drake.host4u.net (drake.host4u.net [216.71.64.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A0E37B403; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsddiary@drake.host4u.net) Received: (from freebsddiary@localhost) by drake.host4u.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17592; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200108120607.BAA17592@drake.host4u.net> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-07-22 - 2001-08-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-newbies and freebsd-questions with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 2-Aug : Welcome to the new box New face lift, new features, same great content http://freebsddiary.org/face-lift.php?2 30-Jul : Upcoming changes Read what's in store... http://freebsddiary.org/changes20010730.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Aug 11 23: 5: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.intrstar.net (zeus.intrstar.net [207.3.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078A937B408 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmclamb@intrstar.net) Received: from ryanscomputer (etherloop.intrstar.net [208.33.177.126]) by zeus.intrstar.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA26170 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 02:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c122f5$7c973220$0704ed0a@ryanscomputer> From: "Ryan Mclamb" To: Subject: hi Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 02:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C122D3.F35BAD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C122D3.F35BAD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I try to install FreeBSD, it gives me a 'No Disk Found!' 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When I try to install FreeBSD, it gives = me a 'No=20 Disk Found!' Error, can you please help me?
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