From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 4: 3:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.africaonline.co.ke (mx1.africaonline.co.ke [195.202.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC5637B411 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.202.85.241] (helo=spider) by smtp.africaonline.co.ke with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15l73s-0001fl-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:04:36 +0300 Message-ID: <00d001c1441f$4e6b14c0$f155cac3@uunet.co.ke> Reply-To: "Davidson Thaba" From: "Davidson Thaba" To: Subject: burning freeBSD on CD Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:02:59 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C14438.73A783E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C14438.73A783E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ive just installed freedbsd 4.4-RELEASE, via FTP i want to make a copy on CD, where do i get the image? ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C14438.73A783E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ive just installed = freedbsd=20 4.4-RELEASE, via FTP

i want to make a copy = on CD, where=20 do i get the image?

------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C14438.73A783E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 5: 7:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B1D37B41B for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 05:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.0.189]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id f8NC7kh21045 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:07:46 +0200 Received: from web.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.2.2.3 #18) id m15l830-007pUgC; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:07 +0200 Message-ID: <3BADD090.BAE478F9@web.de> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:07:44 +0200 From: Johann Kois X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [de] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: burning freeBSD on CD References: <00d001c1441f$4e6b14c0$f155cac3@uunet.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Davidson Thaba schrieb: > > ive just installed freedbsd 4.4-RELEASE, via FTP > > i want to make a copy on CD, where do i get the image? The ISO-Images? ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.4/ That's the "main" server. But you can also use the ftp-server in your country. For example: ftp.de.freebsd.org in Germany. Normally they are faster. But sometimes they don't have all the files from ftp.freebsd.org. The other way is to buy the cd-roms. For this take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html Johnny J.Kois@web.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 5:59:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEEA37B40B for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 05:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c4-pta-6.dial-up.net (c4-pta-6.dial-up.net [196.26.210.6]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2F4342; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:59:28 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:01:43 +0200 (SAST) From: The Psychotic Viper X-X-Sender: To: Piet Delport Cc: Dru , Raymond Pert , Subject: Re: PPP what next! In-Reply-To: <20010923025411.A23038@athalon> Message-ID: <20010923145634.S49297-100000@lucifer.fuzion.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Piet Delport wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 at 07:32:15 -0400, Dru wrote: > > If your prompt changes to all caps or PPP, you're connected. You've > > also lost that prompt for the duration of your connection, so open up > > another terminal using your ALT Function keys. Running a trace route > > or a ping to a URL is a good connection test. When you're finished, > > return to the terminal with the PPP prompt and type the word by. > > The prompt isn't necessarily lost. You can press to suspend > PPP and return to your prompt, then immediately type `bg' to let it > continue executing in the background. > > To shut it down again, type `fg' to bring it into the foreground, then > `close' to close the connection. Just a note though, when u fork ppp AFAIK it stops data transfer for the period you suspend it. You could try the 'bg' command inside ppp(IIRC does the same as forking though) , or 'shell'. I personally start ppp with the -background option and recall ppp if i need it then 'quit' it to return to the prompt(does not kill my ppp). Killing ppp is simply done with a killall -INT ppp. Works fine for me and I have a working ppp and the full use of all my local ttys. HTH PsyV To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 14:18:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za (msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za [196.2.46.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063C137B403 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siberiyan.dyndns.org ([196.30.181.236]) by msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GK4006J1WJAH8@msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:18:49 +0200 (SAST) Received: by siberiyan.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:19:11 +0200 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:19:11 +0200 From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: PPP what next! In-reply-to: <20010923145634.S49297-100000@lucifer.fuzion.ath.cx> To: The Psychotic Viper Cc: Dru , Raymond Pert , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: The Psychotic Viper , Dru , Raymond Pert , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010923231911.B1327@athalon> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.0ax BETA (http://www.vim.org/) X-Crypto: gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.6 (http://www.gnupg.org/) X-GPG-Key-ID: 0x6B191427 X-GPG-Fingerprint: C7FF A540 2199 F7BF 1933 5640 CD15 0FF3 6B19 1427 References: <20010923025411.A23038@athalon> <20010923145634.S49297-100000@lucifer.fuzion.ath.cx> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 at 15:01:43 +0200, The Psychotic Viper wrote: > On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Piet Delport wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 at 07:32:15 -0400, Dru wrote: > > > If your prompt changes to all caps or PPP, you're connected. > > > You've also lost that prompt for the duration of your connection, > > > so open up another terminal using your ALT Function keys. Running > > > a trace route or a ping to a URL is a good connection test. When > > > you're finished, return to the terminal with the PPP prompt and > > > type the word by. > > > > The prompt isn't necessarily lost. You can press to > > suspend PPP and return to your prompt, then immediately type `bg' to > > let it continue executing in the background. > > > > To shut it down again, type `fg' to bring it into the foreground, > > then `close' to close the connection. >=20 > Just a note though, when u fork ppp AFAIK it stops data transfer for > the period you suspend it. You could try the 'bg' command inside > ppp(IIRC does the same as forking though) , or 'shell'. I personally > start ppp with the -background option and recall ppp if i need it then > 'quit' it to return to the prompt(does not kill my ppp). Killing ppp > is simply done with a killall -INT ppp. Works fine for me and I have a > working ppp and the full use of all my local ttys. Yep, that's the better way. :-) Personally, i use a socket to control ppp. My ppp.conf contains a line like this: set socket /var/run/ppp "" 0117 Then, i have a script called `pppdial' that contains something like: #!/bin/sh /usr/sbin/ppp -background && /usr/local/sbin/ipcheck and a script called `pppc' that contains: #!/bin/sh exec /usr/sbin/pppctl /var/run/ppp "$@" Now, i go `pppdial' to connect, `pppc close' to disconnect, `pppc show ipcp' to show statistics, and so on. A plain `pppc' gets me an interactive session. --=20 Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7rlHPzRUP82sZFCcRAuxAAKCY23jws6UANO+LcrApEQ20DHenkwCfZ6vd UPanDdtL20y3uSYecz3SVX4= =JsTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 20:45:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp006pub.verizon.net (smtp006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C3537B403 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from verizon.net (pool-151-202-104-185.ny5030.east.verizon.net [151.202.104.185]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id f8O3jYh22061 Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:45:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3BAEB994.8A609E63@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:41:56 -0500 From: "Stanley V. Carroll" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: mounting floppy disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to mount a floppy disk on my 4.3 freebsd system in order to compile source code that was saved on it. Every time I try to mount the disk I receive the following error message. Incorrect I-node, I tried looking it up in the man pages, and various unix manuals, but I can't seem to find it. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 23 23:20:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.okb.lv (mail.okb.lv [195.114.34.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A9937B425 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krypt.okb.lv ([58.2.2.40]) by mail.okb.lv with esmtp MTA id 15lP91-0003H9-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:23:07 +0300 Received: by krypt.okb.lv (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3B654866F; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:17:35 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:17:35 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: two gateways Message-ID: <20010924091735.A5853@krypt.okb.lv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux Organisation: A/S Ogres KomercBanka, Riga, Latvia From: monster@okb.lv (Denis J. Cirulis) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I was wondering if this scheme would work. Box #1 is FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE with two network interfaces. First interface has external ISP assigned addres, the second has fake ip address (RFC1918). On box #1 kernel is compiled with IPFILTER to do NAT for 10.0.1.0/24,10.0.2.0/24 and 10.0.3.0/24 and for stateful firewalling, to protect my fake lans. On the box #2 there is also FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE where default route is 10.0.0.1. Will this structure work ? I'm asking because i can't test it myself for now because i must switch all my networks but this is production environment. ISP assigned | +------+ | | | 1 | | | +------+ 10.0.0.1 | | | | 10.0.0.2 +------+ | | | 2 | | | +------+ 10.0.1.0/24 | 10.0.2.0/24 / | \ / | \ | 10.0.3.0/24 -- Just GNU it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 0:49:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dambiec.com (CPE-61-9-151-134.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.151.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C03637B405 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from karun.dambiec.com (unknown [10.0.1.31]) by mail.dambiec.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D764A7F63; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Karun To: monster@okb.lv (Denis J. Cirulis), freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: two gateways Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:39:32 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010924091735.A5853@krypt.okb.lv> In-Reply-To: <20010924091735.A5853@krypt.okb.lv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01092407393200.02268@karun.dambiec.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I was wondering if this scheme would work. > Box #1 is FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE with two network interfaces. First > interface has external ISP assigned addres, the second has fake > ip address (RFC1918). On box #1 kernel is compiled with IPFILTER > to do NAT for 10.0.1.0/24,10.0.2.0/24 and 10.0.3.0/24 and for > stateful firewalling, to protect my fake lans. What is a fake lan? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7ruM9jSsAFBXXxwARAkllAJ4wkI+bs4t1fIYh20ffr/cSGae4UQCbBtxY cI9YyBaBdUJfXlQaTzcsJBg= =Dejj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 4:52: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.hanze.nl (mailhost.hanze.nl [145.33.4.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5200337B40B for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dep.st.hanze.nl (dep.st.hanze.nl [145.33.105.251]) by mailhost.hanze.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02700 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:51:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail1.st.hanze.nl (mail1.st.hanze.nl [145.33.105.253]) by dep.st.hanze.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03376 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:51:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200109241151.NAA03376@dep.st.hanze.nl> Received: from MAILST1/SpoolDir by mail1.st.hanze.nl (Mercury 1.44); 24 Sep 01 13:51:56 GMT+1 Received: from SpoolDir by MAILST1 (Mercury 1.44); 24 Sep 01 13:51:42 GMT+1 From: "C.A. Peters" Organization: Hanzehogeschool Groningen To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:51:32 MET MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: irc Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has freebsd.org an irc channel???? 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X-Rated: Oh Yeah Baby X-Men: Wolverine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -Real Geeks Like Their Women Rack Mounted On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, C.A. Peters wrote: =AD=AD=BB Has freebsd.org an irc channel???? =AD=AD=BB =AD=AD=BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org =AD=AD=BB with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message =AD=AD=BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 7:55:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f67.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D1937B41A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:55:32 -0700 Received: from 216.123.203.112 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:55:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.123.203.112] From: "randy vergan" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: NEED HELP BAD Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:55:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 14:55:32.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[F57C6630:01C14508] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 7:58:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E46537B417 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:58:31 -0700 Received: from 216.123.203.112 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:58:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.123.203.112] From: "randy vergan" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: NEED HELP BAD Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:58:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 14:58:31.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[60238F90:01C14509] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi i am a new user to linux. i was running mandrake 8.o but it was too complicated for me. i decided to install freebsd i heard good stuff about it. i want to learn linux and do almost everything i do in windows i want o listgen to mp3s on my d: drive and i want to chat in mirc which i installed bitch x abut it couldnt find it with where is and locate commands i was wondering if u guys could show me where i can learn some good commands and how yo do normal commnads in linux. Need help bad randy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 9:35:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.de (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CAC37B41C for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15lYhM-0000g7-03; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:35:12 +0200 Received: from SAURON (520010085642-0001@[217.83.88.165]) by fmrl01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15lYh4-2HJUHoC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:34:54 +0200 From: "Jens Greven" To: Subject: Setting up an X-Server with framebuffer-device Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:35:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Jens Greven" X-Sender: 520010085642-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, as I own a Dell Inspiron 800 with GeForce 2 Go graphics adapter, which is not supported yet by the XFSVGA-driver, so the only alternative seems to be installing the framebuffer-driver (which is said to work under linux at least). Has anyone out there any experiences with this driver or could someone help me setting it up? I got the XFree86-VirtualFrameBufferServer-4.1.0.tgz, XFree86-libraries-4.1.0.tgz and imake-4.1.0.tgz. Is this all or do I need something else? What do I have to do now? Any ideas welcome! Thanks in advance, Jens -- -------------------------------- Visit me at: www.jensgreven.de Mail me at: jens@jensgreven.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 9:37:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.isg.siue.edu (mail.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815B237B40A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client156-52.ll.siue.edu (client156-52.ll.siue.edu [146.163.156.52]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01297; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:37:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from vcardon@localhost) by client156-52.ll.siue.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id f8OGZfT01329; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:35:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:35:41 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: randy vergan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NEED HELP BAD Message-ID: <20010924113541.B1168@client156-52.ll.siue.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E39vaYmALEf/7YXx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: ; from rvergan@hotmail.com on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:58:31PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:58:31PM +0000, randy vergan wrote: > hi i am a new user to linux. i was running mandrake 8.o but it was too=20 > complicated for me. i decided to install freebsd i heard good stuff abou= t=20 > it. Ok. > i want to learn linux and do almost everything i do in windows >=20 > i want o listgen to mp3s on my d: drive and i want to chat in mirc which = i=20 > installed bitch x abut it couldnt find it with > where is and locate commands OK. > i was wondering if u guys could show me where i can learn some good comma= nds=20 > and how yo do normal commnads in linux. Although Linux and FreeBSD are very similar, you should really ask a=20 Linux mailinglist( that is if you really want to learn Linux). In any case, there are several good sites that are aimed at newbies.=20 Many of them are Linux oriented, but most of the information they=20 provide will also be useful on FreeBSD. I have included some links=20 below. http://www.linuxnewbies.org http://www.linuxdocs.org HTH, Victor --=20 Victor R. Cardona Powered by SuSE Linux 7.1 (i386) Professional GPG key ID E81B3A1C Key fingerprint =3D 0147 A234 99C3 F4C5 BC64 F501 654F DB49 E81B 3A1C --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r2DdZU/bSegbOhwRAiurAJ0YMXSp3A89I1jzqXVeM4X9JNcOtgCgmkuI q35CQ0ys1HtUkXNNjv8HvLk= =3szh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 10:52:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msg-proxy3.mweb.co.za (msg-proxy3.mweb.co.za [196.2.46.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D963B37B40D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siberiyan.dyndns.org ([196.30.181.159]) by msg-proxy3.mweb.co.za (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GK600FCMHN0GL@msg-proxy3.mweb.co.za> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:52:15 +0200 (SAST) Received: by siberiyan.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:52:34 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:52:34 +0200 From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: NEED HELP BAD In-reply-to: To: randy vergan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Mail-Followup-To: randy vergan , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <20010924195234.A6802@athalon> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 6.0ax BETA (http://www.vim.org/) X-Crypto: gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.6 (http://www.gnupg.org/) X-GPG-Key-ID: 0x6B191427 X-GPG-Fingerprint: C7FF A540 2199 F7BF 1933 5640 CD15 0FF3 6B19 1427 References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 at 14:58:31 +0000, randy vergan wrote: > hi i am a new user to linux. i was running mandrake 8.o but it was too > complicated for me. i decided to install freebsd i heard good stuff > about it. Great. > i want to learn linux and do almost everything i do in windows >=20 > i want o listgen to mp3s on my d: drive and i want to chat in mirc > which i installed bitch x abut it couldnt find it with where is and > locate commands For listening MP3's you have many options. The simplest is probably mpg123, which is a very light console MP3 player (i use it all the time). You can download and install it via the ports collection by su'ing to root and typing: # cd /usr/ports/audio/mpg123 # make install As for BitchX, you should be able to start it by typing `BitchX' (note the caps). > i was wondering if u guys could show me where i can learn some good > commands=20 Well, that depends a great deal on what you want to do. :-) It's highly recommended to start by reading the FreeBSD handbook, which should be installed locally on your system: $ lynx file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/basics.html Specifically, you might find this chapter useful: $ lynx file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/basics.html > and how yo do normal commnads in linux. I'm not sure i understand what you're asking here. --=20 Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE7r3LizRUP82sZFCcRAqfQAJ49V7y/N1/C5S9bnZd7oaXllKl4mQCVF4VY 5L1QbTYtz+jcqrNoGG3j2w== =BIhV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 15:36:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f139.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FE137B416; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:36:11 -0700 Received: from 12.32.200.241 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:36:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.32.200.241] From: "Derek True" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Recompiling Kernel 4.2 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:36:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 22:36:11.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F88D060:01C14549] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I have a quick question about recompiling my kernel. I'm running FreeBSD 4.2 with the security setting at high. I now need to change the time on this box but cannot due to the security settings. My question is twofold. 1- Can I change this setting without recompiling my kernel? If so how? 2- If not, Can I re-compile my kernel without wrecking all the other settings and software I have on the box? If so how? Thanks for your time Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 16: 3:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from home.com (c1737881-a.plano1.tx.home.com [65.10.46.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E3437B419; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mcbrune@localhost) by home.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f8ON3Zh06172; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:03:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mcbrune) From: mcbrune Message-Id: <200109242303.f8ON3Zh06172@home.com> Subject: Re: Recompiling Kernel 4.2 In-Reply-To: To: Derek True Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:03:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL92 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You don't need to recompile the kernel to change the time. You will need to edit either /etc/rc.conf or /etc/defaults/rc.conf (which ever has the security setting), and set it to -1. It will look like: kern_securelevel_enable="YES" kern_securelevel="2" Just change 2 or whatever the number is to -1 and reboot. After this, you can change your time with the command 'date' and then change the security setting back to the original setting with the command 'sysctl -w kern.securelevel=#'. Hope this helps, Corey > > Hello all, > > I have a quick question about recompiling my kernel. I'm running FreeBSD 4.2 > with the security setting at high. I now need to change the time on this box > but cannot due to the security settings. My question is twofold. > > 1- Can I change this setting without recompiling my kernel? If so how? > > 2- If not, Can I re-compile my kernel without wrecking all the other > settings and software I have on the box? If so how? > > Thanks for your time > > Tom > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 17:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E1237B407; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56EBA66E4C; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:17:20 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Derek True Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recompiling Kernel 4.2 Message-ID: <20010924171720.B64517@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sigmafour@hotmail.com on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 06:36:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 06:36:10PM -0400, Derek True wrote: >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > I have a quick question about recompiling my kernel. I'm running FreeBSD = 4.2=20 > with the security setting at high. I now need to change the time on this = box=20 > but cannot due to the security settings. My question is twofold. >=20 > 1- Can I change this setting without recompiling my kernel? If so how? >=20 > 2- If not, Can I re-compile my kernel without wrecking all the other=20 > settings and software I have on the box? If so how? These questions are answered in the FAQ and/or the handbook..please read it. Kris --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r80PWry0BWjoQKURAqjHAJ9SmZCmZs58fhRyAOJZssa8N46YKACePbZq id8liFCg4hI8XRR9zeJfcxk= =ikQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 17:49: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDF037B429 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b005.otenet.gr [195.167.121.133]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8P0mtc26566; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:48:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8P0mrE02113; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:48:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:48:53 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "C.A. Peters" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: irc Message-ID: <20010925034853.A2007@hades.hell.gr> References: <200109241151.NAA03376@dep.st.hanze.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200109241151.NAA03376@dep.st.hanze.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org C.A. Peters wrote: > Has freebsd.org an irc channel???? No, but most of the major IRC networks host a #freebsd or #freebsdhelp channel. I should know that, frequenting Undernet's #freebsd :P The FAQ contains an entry about this. Please have a look at it. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 22:10: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1173537B430 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shavedham [208.58.222.104] (leegold@operamail.com) by operamail.com; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 01:09:59 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Tue, 25 Sep 01 01:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c14580$6ab3e730$0201a8c0@shavedham> From: "leegold" To: Subject: help me understand: make, also file locks Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:01:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Coming from the ms world, i always installed programs by pressing a button. i suppose the programs were in binary form. With freebsd I often see the make command associated w/installing. if someone could just briefly explain make, make install, and make clean? Some apllications need a file lock dir. what is this for? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 22:27:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pineapple.theshop.net (pineapple.theshop.net [208.128.7.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6E937B433 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsdprophet.org (cherry46.theshop.net [63.67.33.111]) by pineapple.theshop.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8P5UpN49056; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:30:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Scott@bsdprophet.org) Message-ID: <3BB015CD.7E6381CF@bsdprophet.org> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:27:41 -0500 From: Scott Corey Organization: Open Source Education Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help me understand: make, also file locks References: <001701c14580$6ab3e730$0201a8c0@shavedham> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, Make is a program designed to simplify the maintenance of other programs. Your best bet on all the nitty gritty on make is the "Make -a Tutorial" at: http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/Make/index.html Scott leegold wrote: > > Coming from the ms world, i always installed programs > by pressing a button. i suppose the programs were in binary form. > With freebsd I often see the make command associated w/installing. > if someone could just briefly explain make, make install, and make clean? > > Some apllications need a file lock dir. what is this for? > > Thanks > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 24 22:50:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A1937B405 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkside (dial-216.ocis.net [209.52.174.167]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14432; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:50:34 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:41:01 -0700 Subject: Re: help me understand: make, also file locks Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: "leegold" Message-ID: <3BAFB67D.30076.6F3624@localhost> In-reply-to: <001701c14580$6ab3e730$0201a8c0@shavedham> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Coming from the ms world, i always installed programs > by pressing a button. i suppose the programs were in binary form. With > freebsd I often see the make command associated w/installing. if > someone could just briefly explain make, make install, and make clean? In a nutshell, the combination of make and the associated Makefile is like a more powerful, glorified batch file. The Makefile is simply a list of compilation, installation, deinstallation, deletion, etc commands. It also contains targets, which are simply sub-sections that include instructions for specific tasks (for example, install and deinstall). Makefiles and Windows Installation Scripts are very similar, although Makefiles are much more powerful. :) Have a look through some of the Makefiles included with various programs. Once you get past the seeming gobbledygook, you'll start to notice the general flow of the file and how it works. :) In FreeBSD, there are two ways to install a program: using ports, and using packages (okay, you can also install from source yourself, but it's not generally suggested). When you install a package, using the pkg_add command, the install works the same as in Windows: a script is read that copies the binaries to the right places and sets any initial config options. When you install a port, using the make command, you are doing the same steps as above, but you have to compile the source code into binary beforehand. The make command does all this for you (including downloading the source, checking any dependencies, compiling, and installing everything for you) according to the instructions included in the Makefile. Hope that clears it up a little for you. :) Cheers, Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com Linux is for people who hate Windows. FreeBSD is for people that like UNIX. -- unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 25 13:38:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from InterJet.reddingpath.com (reddingpath.com [63.109.166.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3955C37B405 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from workstation-1 ([172.16.1.25]) by InterJet.reddingpath.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23622 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109252030.NAA23622@InterJet.reddingpath.com> From: "Douglas R. Lockwood" To: FreeBSD-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:22:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Subscription X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please subscribe me to your (online?) magazine. dlockwood@snowcrest.net Douglas Lockwood dlockwood@reddingpath.com dlockwood@snowcrest.net 530.225.8000 (Work) 530.241.2803 (Work) 530.225.8037 (FAX) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 25 14:26:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4471F37B40D for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2661 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:26:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3BB0F676.294946C3@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:26:14 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: A7A266 Update. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just an update to my motherboard situation. I learned much better how the bug process works in FreeBSD, and how to find out who to contact should I need information about a bug. Those were the answers I was searching for. In the meantime, I got the shop that built my computer to replace (for free) my motherboard with a A7M266. I still haven't got FreeBSD all the way up and configured, but so far I am not experiencing the problems that have plagued me for the last two months. So I'll be rejoining the FreeBSD community :-) Lesson learned: the bleeding edge of technology is sharp and you can get cut. Don't buy hardware newer than the software you'll run on it. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 25 20:30: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scan.ji-net.com (scan.ji-net.com [203.130.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539E237B411 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 4090xdvd ([203.148.244.209]) by scan.ji-net.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f8Q3TqL13194 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:29:53 +0700 From: "Raymond Pert" To: Subject: RE: PPP what next! Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:32:21 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 In-Reply-To: <20010923145634.S49297-100000@lucifer.fuzion.ath.cx> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanx for all the replies. I've got PPP working fine now! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 25 20:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scan.ji-net.com (scan.ji-net.com [203.130.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B205B37B40A for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 4090xdvd ([203.148.244.209]) by scan.ji-net.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f8Q3TuL13235 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:29:57 +0700 From: "Raymond Pert" To: Subject: Couldn't open RGB_DB Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:32:25 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-874" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got blue screen backrounds an I hate 'em. My XF86 log file has a non fatal error. Couldn't open RGB_DB The path to RGB is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and the file rgb.txt sits there Do I need to define RGB_DB somewhere? ... and if so how? Thanx. Google turned up only linux specific info. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 25 22:22:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6879D37B40E for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dial-148-240-98-81.zone-3.dial.net.mx (HELO yahoo.com) (148.240.98.81) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 05:22:40 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3BB1681E.F7A52E37@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:31:10 -0500 From: "Adriel Cardenas G." Reply-To: adrielcgx@freebsdmx.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: ex-MX, es-ES, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Douglas R. Lockwood" Cc: FreeBSD-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subscription References: <200109252030.NAA23622@InterJet.reddingpath.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can go to: http://www.bsdtoday.com/ and use the subscribe box Regards "Douglas R. Lockwood" wrote: > > Please subscribe me to your (online?) magazine. > > dlockwood@snowcrest.net > > Douglas Lockwood > dlockwood@reddingpath.com > dlockwood@snowcrest.net > 530.225.8000 (Work) > 530.241.2803 (Work) > 530.225.8037 (FAX) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 14:55:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from angel.algonet.se (buffy.algonet.se [194.213.75.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD3CB37B434 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6407 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2001 23:52:37 +0200 Received: from zack.tninet.se (HELO tninet.se) (195.100.94.107) by buffy.algonet.se with SMTP; 26 Sep 2001 23:52:37 +0200 Received: from kemzen1 (sdu47-225.ppp.algonet.se [195.163.225.47]) by zack.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.2) with ESMTP id 180231.541308.1001zack-s1 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:55:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> From: "mad" To: Subject: Which is better ? Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:41:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD vs. Linux ? "order is for idiots genius rules chaos" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 15: 0:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E45637B447 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.46.72]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA292A; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:00:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:00:21 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mad Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which is better ? References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mad wrote: > > FreeBSD vs. Linux ? Loaded question. Are you trying to start a war :-) Since this is the freebsd-newbies list, you would expect the answer to be "FreeBSD". But the correct answer is "it depends". What do you want? What is the OS for? How do you work? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 15: 9:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from giles.algonet.se (giles.algonet.se [194.213.75.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F096A37B406 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16296 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2001 00:05:36 +0200 Received: from zack.tninet.se (HELO tninet.se) (195.100.94.107) by giles.algonet.se with SMTP; 27 Sep 2001 00:05:36 +0200 Received: from kemzen1 (sdu124-231.ppp.algonet.se [195.163.231.124]) by zack.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.2) with ESMTP id 751398.542101.1001zack-s0 ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:08:21 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> From: "mad" To: "David Johnson" Cc: References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> Subject: Re: Which is better ? Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:53:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hehe! no war =) ! I�ve heard FreeBSD is more stable than Linux and I�m wondering what is better to run on a laptop ? I wanna learn more about Unix =) I hate Windows!!! "order is for idiots genius rules chaos" ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "mad" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: Which is better ? > mad wrote: > > > > FreeBSD vs. Linux ? > > Loaded question. Are you trying to start a war :-) > > Since this is the freebsd-newbies list, you would expect the answer to > be "FreeBSD". > > But the correct answer is "it depends". What do you want? What is the OS > for? How do you work? > > David > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 15:23: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7171037B41C for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a103.otenet.gr [212.205.215.103]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8QMMrY11130; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:22:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8QMMQN44470; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:22:26 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:22:26 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: mad Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which is better ? Message-ID: <20010927012226.A44169@hades.hell.gr> References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mad wrote: > Hehe! no war =) ! > I?ve heard FreeBSD is more stable than Linux and I?m wondering what is > better to run on a laptop ? I wanna learn more about Unix =) Then visit http://www.freebsd.org/ > I hate Windows!!! Hatred leads to anger. Anger to the dark side. etc etc. Do not use UNIX because you hate Windows, but learn how it works and se if it's good for you. If you happen to like it, then it's OK. If not, then it's OK too. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 16:12:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.de (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8437B41A for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15mNn5-0005oZ-04; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:08:31 +0200 Received: from SAURON (520003065079-0001@[217.1.76.234]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15mNn2-244wLYC; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:08:28 +0200 From: "Jens Greven" To: Subject: Re: Which is better ? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:09:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Jens Greven" X-Sender: 520003065079-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! For running on a laptop, FBSD is cool, because since DOS6.2 I've never seen an OS booting so quick, so it's possible to shut down and reboot when neccessary. But you should make sure, that your hardware is supported. I myself have a Dell Inspiron 8000 with nVidia Geforce 2 Go, and it's really a pain in the a**... No chance to get XFree running under FreeBSD (I've heard that there are Linux drivers from nVidia) and as the drivers cannot be published to open source (cause nVidia uses 3rd party software, i. e. OpenGL from SGI) we have to wait until they feel the need of publishing FBSD drivers as well... I would encourage you all to sign the petition under http://nvidia.netexplorer.org to encourage them! If you find your hardware supported, I think FBSD is the "better" OS (compared to Linux), because Linux looks like a playground for geeks to me. FBSD makes a really professional impression, and a kind of "centralized management" as you find it at FSBD helps to keep up quality standars. If you look at current Linux distributions, you find a lot of bulls**t published with them, a basic system install takes 4 CDs and 4 GB of HD space, and you'll only use a few of those packages installed. But if your hardware ist not 100% supported by the UN*X of your choice, even Windows might be the "better" OD for you. After all, every system has it's pro's and con's. For example, if you work in a company, where most documents are MS-Office-documents, this might at leat force you to keep both OS'es on your system. Choice is yours! Jens -- -------------------------------- Visit me at: www.jensgreven.de Mail me at: jens@jensgreven.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 16:14:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uofu.net (mail.uofu.net [216.126.227.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6FC37B432 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.uofu.net [216.126.238.103] by mail.uofu.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A169A03D00D4; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:14:49 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: cabana To: "mad" Subject: Re: Which is better ? Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:08:44 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> In-Reply-To: <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01092616084400.18735@www.uofu.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I hate Windows!!! Well maybe it doesn't like you very much either! -Chris "What do you mean FreeBSD and Linux are different?" Dominguez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 20:40:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C6F37B422 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nortenet.pt (v1-pppS27.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.27]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8R3bhn10182 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:37:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3BB2A0D2.15788DD8@nortenet.pt> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:45:22 +0100 From: Guilherme Oliveira Organization: Host-Valley.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i586) X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-BR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to replicate audio cd's ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I've tryed to replicate audio cd's doing dd bs=2352, but burncd records all tracks as one. I've done dd with acd0c, racd0c and burncd with audio, raw, ... I have a HP9100 and FreeBSD 4.3. Or is another way to do this with other software ? I need a disc_to_disc copy to be fast and to record ISRC data to look up in CDDB databases. Thanks ! []'s -- guilherme@nortenet.pt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 20:41:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from westhost33.westhost.net (westhost33.westhost.net [216.71.84.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3171137B405 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (c502932-a.boulder1.co.home.com [24.182.232.32]) by westhost33.westhost.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18007 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:41:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c14706$3dec0b60$6a01a8c0@tom> From: "Tom Vilot" To: References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <20010927012226.A44169@hades.hell.gr> Subject: Re: Which is better ? Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:41:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hatred leads to anger. Anger to the dark side. etc etc. > Do not use UNIX because you hate Windows, > but learn how it works and se if it's good for you. > If you happen to like it, then it's OK. > If not, then it's OK too. Wow. See .... now right there is the reason to do FreeBSD. Notice how Giorgos lacks the arrogant self-righteousness of so many Linux advocates. Instead, he's pragmatic. Gotta love that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 20:43:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from westhost33.westhost.net (westhost33.westhost.net [216.71.84.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE0D37B420 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (c502932-a.boulder1.co.home.com [24.182.232.32]) by westhost33.westhost.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18614 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c14706$8b366be0$6a01a8c0@tom> From: "Tom Vilot" To: References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <01092616084400.18735@www.uofu.net> Subject: Re: Which is better ? Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:43:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I hate Windows!!! > Well maybe it doesn't like you very much either! Windows likes someone? Somewhere? ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 26 21:36:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ms18.hinet.net (ms18.hinet.net [168.95.4.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E12037B413; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 168.95.192.1 (61-216-51-248.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.216.51.248]) by ms18.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00618; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:36:20 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200109270436.MAA00618@ms18.hinet.net> From: "=?BIG5?Q?12345=A2I12345?=" To: "" <> Subject: =?BIG5?Q?2=A4p=AE=C9=A5=DF=A7Y=C0=B0=B1z=BA=F4=B8=F4=B6}=A9=B1=C0=E7=B7~!!?= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:42:42 +0800 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---RisingEdge.798C1A93.2001.09.27.10.42.42" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multipart message in mime format. -----RisingEdge.798C1A93.2001.09.27.10.42.42 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---RisingEdge.14FEBFB6.2001.09.27.10.42.42" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----RisingEdge.14FEBFB6.2001.09.27.10.42.42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="BIG5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2=A4p=AE=C9=A7=D6=B3t=BA=F4=AD=B6=BBs=A7@=A4=CE=AD=D7=A7=EF. =BA=F4=A7= }=A7K=B6O!! =BA=F4=AD=B6=BBs=A7@=B6W=A7C=BB=F9=A5u=ADnNT800=A4=B8. =A7K=B6O=BA=F4= =A7}=B1=BE=A4W. =A5=DF=A7Y=C0=B0=B1z=BA=F4=B8=F4=B6}=A9=B1=C0=E7=B7~=B0= =B5=A5=CD=B7N!! 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Message-ID: <20010927132953.A420@hades.hell.gr> References: <000b01bf544d$2802cb70$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <3BB24FF5.68B0015E@acuson.com> <002a01bf544f$011842e0$6800a8c0@kemzen1> <20010927012226.A44169@hades.hell.gr> <001801c14706$3dec0b60$6a01a8c0@tom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001801c14706$3dec0b60$6a01a8c0@tom> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Vilot wrote: > > See .... now right there is the reason to do FreeBSD. Notice how Giorgos > lacks the arrogant self-righteousness of so many Linux advocates. Instead, > he's pragmatic. Gotta love that. Hanging out too much with FreeBSD'ers in their mailing lists. Now see what I've become :P I'm one of *them*! /me runs screaming away ... -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 3:38: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.fan.priv.at (fan.priv.at [195.230.54.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D0537B43C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by gate.fan.priv.at (8.11.0/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8RAbZp24458; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:37:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:37:35 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which is better ? In-Reply-To: <20010927132953.A420@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unfortunatelly my knowledge is too limitated, to feel free to reply to emails from your mailing list, and time too is too less, so i eliminated myself from the question- mailing list. but such mails, can make my day better when i come at work and i am really pissed-off. i like that....so thanks a million adios alex On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Tom Vilot wrote: > > > > See .... now right there is the reason to do FreeBSD. Notice how Giorgos > > lacks the arrogant self-righteousness of so many Linux advocates. Instead, > > he's pragmatic. Gotta love that. > > Hanging out too much with FreeBSD'ers in their mailing lists. > Now see what I've become :P > I'm one of *them*! > /me runs screaming away ... > > -giorgos > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- alex@fan.priv.at........................ ________________||||||learning is a never_ending-process...... ________________||kill it with :$ top |||||||||||||||||||||||| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 4:12:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from inga.augusta.de (inga.augusta.de [213.179.139.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3CE37B443 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from case@localhost) by inga.augusta.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA35774 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:12:10 +0200 From: Wolfgang Kess To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which is better ? Message-ID: <20010927131209.A34063@inga.augusta.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jens@jensgreven.de on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:09:41AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:09:41AM +0200, Jens Greven wrote: > For running on a laptop, FBSD is cool, because since DOS6.2 I've never seen > an OS booting so quick, so it's possible to shut down and reboot when yes, I agree too. The 4.4, no X of course :), is running very nice on my vintage AT&T 486-SX25 Notebook. But you dare a make buildworld it runs about 42 hour ;-) > neccessary. But you should make sure, that your hardware is supported. I > myself have a Dell Inspiron 8000 with nVidia Geforce 2 Go, and it's really a > pain in the a**... No chance to get XFree running under FreeBSD (I've heard I purchased a Dell Latitude C800 without this fancy nVidia. The ATI Mobility is supported. Take a look at XIGs index of supported Notebooks by manufacturer http://www.xig.com/Pages/LX/LaptopMfgrs/Laptops_Dell.html Wolfgang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 7:12: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from skali.com (komodo.skali.com [202.186.13.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34C6037B61E for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([202.186.13.79]) by skali.com ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:11:45 +0800 Subject: Disable Magic Key? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "Shek Mohd Fahmi Abdul Latip" Reply-To: "Shek Mohd Fahmi Abdul Latip" X-Mailer: Skali Mail Version 1.1 X-Comment: This message was sent from 161.139.152.1 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <100159990501@skali.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org �Hi... Anybody know how to disable three magic keys (Ctrl+Alt+Del) in FreeBSD? ______________________________________________ Health is Wealth! Talk to Skali�s Health Expert http://www.skali.com/index.php?ch=4&action=view To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 8:11:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC8337B407 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pD958BF7B.dip.t-dialin.net (pD958BF7B.dip.t-dialin.net [217.88.191.123]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15041; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:11:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200109271511.RAA15041@post.webmailer.de> From: "Martin Moeller" To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Shek Mohd Fahmi Abdul Latip" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:13:12 +0200 Reply-To: "Martin Moeller" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 3.00 In-Reply-To: <100159990501@skali.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Disable Magic Key? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:11:59 -0700 (PDT), Shek Mohd Fahmi Abdul Latip wrote: >�Hi... > > >Anybody know how to disable three magic keys (Ctrl+Alt+Del) in FreeBSD? > Just compile options SC_DISABLE_REBOOT into your kernel. Greetings Martin --- chmod a+x /bin/laden --- Mit freundlichen Gr��en Martin M�ller e-mail: moeller@phicom.de PhiCom Datensysteme http://www.phicom.de Tel.: +49 (40) 4232 6801 - Fax: +49 (40) 4232 6811 Mobil: +49 (172) 274 34 33 ICQ # 82221572 Download public key from ldap://certserver.pgp.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 9:27:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bubo.vslib.cz (bubo.vslib.cz [147.230.16.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D126D37B409 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from A410A (a410a.kolej.vslib.cz [147.230.152.17]) by bubo.vslib.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id A49348354 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:27:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c14771$7c8a4ec0$1198e693@kolej.vslib.cz> From: "Martin Vana" To: Subject: how to change default editor? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:28:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, please can you help me how to change default editor? I want to use vim when im editing for example with chsh command. Thank you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 9:30:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bubo.vslib.cz (bubo.vslib.cz [147.230.16.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF24E37B446 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from A410A (a410a.kolej.vslib.cz [147.230.152.17]) by bubo.vslib.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id E4EC18354 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:30:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002401c14771$ea4ee4c0$1198e693@kolej.vslib.cz> From: "Martin Vana" To: Subject: Good Shell accoutn with ssh Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:31:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can you recommend me good free shell account with ssh? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 27 9:39:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from koza.acecape.com (koza2.acecape.com [66.9.36.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B06B37B622 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from networld (p64-69.acedsl.com [66.114.64.69]) by koza.acecape.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id f8RGdia06057; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c14773$509f1aa0$0200a8c0@networld> From: "Russell A. Khurshudian" To: "Martin Vana" , References: <000f01c14771$7c8a4ec0$1198e693@kolej.vslib.cz> Subject: Re: how to change default editor? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:41:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe you would set the default editor by changing your shell's "EDITOR" environment variable. If you are using (t)csh you can view your environment variables with the 'env' command and set them with setenv. The command would be 'setenv EDITOR ', where editor would be the editor of your choice (possibly vi, ee, emacs, etc..). With the BASH shell, you would do 'EDITOR=;export EDITOR'. Hope that helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Vana" To: