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Hi, I hope that this will be enough information:

Background:

I purchased a book called "FreeBSD Unleased" yesterday and used the CD that came with it to begin installing FreeBSD 4.4.

Steps Taken:

I chose to install FreeBSD 4.4 using by creating the 2 boot floppies on a seperate Windows98 box from the CD that came with the book.  I used the boot.flp for the first disk and mfsroot.flp for the second floppy.

Next, I booted my Dell OptiPlex GMT 5166 (a P2 166MHz with 96MB RAM) from the floppies I created and put the FreeBSD 4.4 CD in the CD ROM.  The Dell computer has 2 IDE hard drives on the same IDE channel and the CD ROM is the only device on the second IDE channel.  This Dell already has RedHat Linux 6.0 installed on it, but I would rather start the whole system over with FreeBSD 4.4.

After getting through both boot floppies decompressing, I selected the visual option to make some changes to the kernel configuration.  I disabled all of the conflicting devices (all of which were under networking) and disabled the SCSI device drivers under Storage (I have no SCSI devices.)

Problem:

Finally, when I am satisfied with the modifications, I move on to the next step in the installation, which is the hardware detection.  The process always hangs right after the line that displays "plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0" which is followed by a carriage return, a line feed, then a grey-solid-block character.

I read and reread the Installation Guide from FreeBSD.org and noticed that the next line I should expect to see in the hardware detection would be one related to the first hard drive on the first ide channel.

Both hard drives are 1.2GB Western Digital Caviar.  I have never had a problem with them and RH Linux 6.0 boots up just fine.  

Pleading:

I am confused and don't know which step to take next to install FreeBSD 4.4.  Please help!

Thank you kindly for reading all of that.

Best Regards,

Kevin Anderson
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 10:02:17PM +0200, Mad wrote:
> I run "cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile"
> Connecting to cvsup1.freebsd.org
> connected to cvsup1.freebsd.org
> >>Then i get
> "Protocol negotiation failed......etc... for upgrading information"
> do i need to upgrade cvsup to the latest release or what i?am doing wrong...

Well, the rest of the message contains a URL that you should check
out.  The message is pretty clear about this, too...  Read the page
referenced at that URL, and upgrade your CVSup client according to the
instructions it contains :)

-giorgos


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Just delete the message it has a virus in it
It has been going on freebsd-security all day long


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Just figured I would forward this to the newbie list FYI

Take a look at:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99237

As I said don't open it, but there are always the naysayers

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hi,
i opened that mail.. and nothing happened to me...
i am currently on my windows 2000 machine...

just wanted to check in that nothing happened on my
win2k machine...
thanks,
regards,
hiten pandya

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Not sure which list to send to, since this is both a newbie story and a few
questions, so I'll try both.

Anyway, I bought a little PC to set up my first FreeBSD system (the first that I
actually _own_, that is), and to my pleasant surprise, it was pretty easy to
install.  I just booted directly from the Wind River distribution CDs I bought
(for about $30), followed the online instructions at freebsd.org while walking
through the installation, and lo! the machine came up under FreeBSD!  It was
actually somewhat faster and simpler than Windows NT, although the installation
of UNIX is far, far geekier (but as a geek this is not an obstacle for me).

Now that I have the machine up and running, I have several tasks next on my list
(in no particular order):

1. Install a POP3 server of some kind (qpopper, because I've used it before,
probably).
2. Install Apache so that I can run a prototype Web site.
3. Get X Windows to run from my Windows machine.
4. Try to get PPTP working so that I can get direct Net access from the UNIX
box.
5. Check video and network card support.

With respect to (1) and (3), I installed qpopper from the CD using
/stand/sysinstall, but I don't see any kind of daemon running for it after the
boot.  Ditto for the "core" set of XFree86 stuff.  Do I need to to other things
to start such components besides running sysinstall?

With respect to (2), I can't find Apache on the distribution CD; anyone know
where I can find it on the CD set (if it is there)?  I don't have direct
Internet access from the FreeBSD machine yet, which limits my ability to
download stuff from the Apache site.

With respect to (4), I installed PPTP client from the CD with sysinstall, then
fiddled with ppp.conf in a way that was suggested to me to get PPTP to work with
my ADSL modem (I won't be using PPTP or PPP for any other purpose).  My first
attempt to run PPTP produced a process that pretty much pegged the system, and I
saw the following in ppp.log:

Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: Using interface: tun0
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Warning: Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (line
7) - missing colon
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: PPP Started (direct mode).
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: bundle: Establish
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: Connected!
Oct 31 00:28:00 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: opening -> carrier
Oct 31 00:28:01 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: carrier -> lcp
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected!
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 17 secs: 0
octets in, 270 octets out
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: : 0 packets in, 5 packets out
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase:  total 15 bytes/sec, peak 21 bytes/sec
on Wed Oct 31 00:28:17 2001
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> closed
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: bundle: Dead
Oct 31 00:28:17 freebie ppp[614]: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal).

I fixed the missing colon and tried again, and now I get (at the console):

# /usr/local/sbin/pptp 10.0.0.138
warn[open_unixsock:pptp_callmgr.c:308]: Call manager for 10.0.0.138 is already
running.
fatal[callmgr_main:pptp_callmgr.c:124]: Could not open unix socket for
10.0.0.138
fatal[launch_callmgr:pptp.c:214]: Call manager exited with error 256
#

What's the call manager?  I don't see any new processes or daemons in the
system.

I'd really like to get PPTP going, so that I can pull stuff off the Net to my
system.

Finally, with respect to (5), should I look for specific drivers on the Web
somewhere for my network and video cards?  The network card seems to be working
just fine, but I just picked a 3C503 driver during installation, and I don't
know if that is optimal.  As for the video card, the machine has a g2force video
card in it, whatever that is, and I can't even find out where to look for a
support site on the Web for this card.  It works fine in VGA mode, of course,
but if I want to run X Windows on the console, I'm not sure what sort of
additional support I need in order to make it work with the card (VGA support is
very generic, but things get fuzzier in graphics modes).  It is not necessary
that I have elaborate support for everything the card can do.

Anyway, overall, this looks like great fun.  It's not a production system, so I
don't have to panic when something doesn't work, and it's nice to have a
mainframe on my desktop, after spending so many years using somebody else's
mainframes!








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On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, [iso-8859-1] =D8.W.T wrote:

> hello Kastaki :)
> well yea i assumed the same thing like 3 weeks then i discoverd that samb=
a
> dosent work whit winME at all


That is not correct. I have samba set up on my file server at home and my
win me box doesn't have any problem reading from it.


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On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Not sure which list to send to, since this is both a newbie story and a few
> questions, so I'll try both.
> 
> Anyway, I bought a little PC to set up my first FreeBSD system (the first that I
> actually _own_, that is), and to my pleasant surprise, it was pretty easy to
> install.  I just booted directly from the Wind River distribution CDs I bought
> (for about $30), followed the online instructions at freebsd.org while walking
> through the installation, and lo! the machine came up under FreeBSD!  It was
> actually somewhat faster and simpler than Windows NT, although the installation
> of UNIX is far, far geekier (but as a geek this is not an obstacle for me).
> 
> Now that I have the machine up and running, I have several tasks next on my list
> (in no particular order):
> 
> 1. Install a POP3 server of some kind (qpopper, because I've used it before,
> probably).
> 2. Install Apache so that I can run a prototype Web site.
> 3. Get X Windows to run from my Windows machine.
> 4. Try to get PPTP working so that I can get direct Net access from the UNIX
> box.
> 5. Check video and network card support.
> 
> With respect to (1) and (3), I installed qpopper from the CD using
> /stand/sysinstall, but I don't see any kind of daemon running for it after
 the  boot.

For installed packages (or ports), try pkg_info -L /var/db/pkg/<portname>
to see what it installed, including documentation.  I haven't run qpopper
for a while; my pop3 server uses an entry in inetd.conf to run.

  Ditto for the "core" set of XFree86 stuff.  Do I need to to
other things
> to start such components besides running sysinstall?
> 
> With respect to (2), I can't find Apache on the distribution CD; anyone know
> where I can find it on the CD set (if it is there)?  

It's in packages/www/apache; if the CD-ROM is mounted, you can 
find it with the command
find /cdrom -name "apache*"
which will give you three results:

/cdrom/packages/All/apache-1.3.20.tgz
/cdrom/packages/Latest/apache.tgz
/cdrom/packages/www/apache-1.3.20.tgz

> Anyway, overall, this looks like great fun.

Actually it is. 

	Annelise

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don't know if this helps but many of the optiplex series are very particular
about drivers and hardware configurations...  don't know, but have you
checked the compatability list to see if it's been tested on your model?
one other thing, have you changed any jumpers or data bus cables for the
drive?  the optiplex models i've seen were all jumpered to cable select with
the appropriate cable...    just my 2 cents... good luck!

pkak
Kevin Anderson wrote on 10/28/01 5:05 am:

Hi, I hope that this will be enough information:

Background:

I purchased a book called "FreeBSD Unleased" yesterday and used the CD that
came with it to begin installing FreeBSD 4.4.

Steps Taken:

I chose to install FreeBSD 4.4 using by creating the 2 boot floppies on a
seperate Windows98 box from the CD that came with the book.  I used the
boot.flp for the first disk and mfsroot.flp for the second floppy.

Next, I booted my Dell OptiPlex GMT 5166 (a P2 166MHz with 96MB RAM) from
the floppies I created and put the FreeBSD 4.4 CD in the CD ROM.  The Dell
computer has 2 IDE hard drives on the same IDE channel and the CD ROM is the
only device on the second IDE channel.  This Dell already has RedHat Linux
6.0 installed on it, but I would rather start the whole system over with
FreeBSD 4.4.

After getting through both boot floppies decompressing, I selected the
visual option to make some changes to the kernel configuration.  I disabled
all of the conflicting devices (all of which were under networking) and
disabled the SCSI device drivers under Storage (I have no SCSI devices.)

Problem:

Finally, when I am satisfied with the modifications, I move on to the next
step in the installation, which is the hardware detection.  The process
always hangs right after the line that displays "plip0: <PLIP network
interface> on ppbus0" which is followed by a carriage return, a line feed,
then a grey-solid-block character.

I read and reread the Installation Guide from FreeBSD.org and noticed that
the next line I should expect to see in the hardware detection would be one
related to the first hard drive on the first ide channel.

Both hard drives are 1.2GB Western Digital Caviar.  I have never had a
problem with them and RH Linux 6.0 boots up just fine.

Pleading:

I am confused and don't know which step to take next to install FreeBSD 4.4.
Please help!

Thank you kindly for reading all of that.

Best Regards,

Kevin Anderson
Newbie

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it fricking killed my win2k box :/
DONT open it... !!! 
and never read mailing list on a win2k box :p
On Tuesday 30 October 2001 22:07, Scott Corey wrote:
> Just figured I would forward this to the newbie list FYI
>
> Take a look at:
> http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99237
>
> As I said don't open it, but there are always the naysayers
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: - Tue Oct 30 14:44:47 2001
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> hi,
> i opened that mail.. and nothing happened to me...
> i am currently on my windows 2000 machine...
>
> just wanted to check in that nothing happened on my
> win2k machine...
> thanks,
> regards,
> hiten pandya
>
> --- Scott Corey  wrote:
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> > It has been going on freebsd-security all day long
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Well, I guess we all get to be newbies sometime. It's a long time since I've 
worked actively with networking, and I see much has changed since BSD Unix 
4.3 (what I used for years).

I'm on FBSD4.4-Stable, set up as a dual homed host. dc0 connects to a 
switch, which each computer is connected to (home LAN). Each computer has a 
static IP, with the FBSD machine as default route/gateway. Everything works 
(which isn't much, as I only use the BSD box at present as a shared internet 
connection - I'll get to samba, sendmail, apache, etc later...one thing at a 
time :-).
The second NIC is an Orinoco/Wavelan, which does DHCP to my ISP's server 
(access point) to get an IP address, all traffic to the FBSD machine get's 
routed to the access point gateway address, DNS server, etc. So far no 
problems. I'm running natd and ipfw, although my ruleset isn't ideal yet 
(but that's another thing for another post). The IP's given via DHCP are 
class A non routable (10.10.2.0), which the ISP re-nat's out to the I'net. 
It all works, is stable and I'm satisfied.

From monday next week my ISP goes over to PPTP (VPN), running on a Linux 
server at their site. I have no idea what is is, although I've read the man 
pages (twice) and read extensively on Deja. It's a long time since I've 
worked with this stuff, like I said :-)  From what was described to me, I 
connect on the outbound interface (Wavelan) as before to get a DHCP supplied 
address (still in the 10.10.2.0 range). Then I point my pptp client (have 
installed the linux version from the ports) at a specific address in that 
Class A internal net range that gives me a *real* routable IP address, which 
I then use as the default gateway, etc etc. Meaning all routing info etc 
will be rewritten when I connect via DHCP, and will then need to be 
rewritten again when I get a routable IP for the other end of the 
connection. Somewhere up in all this PPTP (and I thing PPP) comes into the 
picture. Where and how, I'm not really sure about.

From what I've read, it seems that pptp is to be used together with ppp 
(user or kernel). But ppp is for dialup connection on the serial port, 
right? I don't see how it can be configured to run over an ethernet (albeit 
wireless, not that that should have any influence), although I know there is 
a special version for that (PPPoE). The speed settings allowed for ppp end 
far under the bandwidth I have!

The ISP uses the VPN (PPTP) system only as a means of authenticating users 
and controlling bandwidth (2Mb/sec is the package offered) and getting a 
real IP to each client/customer. So, I want to do DHCP via ethernet to a 
machine to get another address to run PPTP over PPP (also via ethernet) to 
NAT my local net out to the Internet, changing my routing tables and 
ifconfig info twice in the process???? Or what?  Where does natd and ipfw 
fit in in this case, if at all? I used to be good at this. Guess I'm getting 
older ;-)  I don't understand why the ISP doesn't simply use a simpler 
method for all of this, LOL! (Actually they do, the CD provided 
autoconfigures everything in Windows! I won't stoop that low ;-)

The more I write, the more confused I get. I'll go read over the man pages 
one more time, in the meantime if anyone could lend a hand in configuring 
all of this (just tell me where to look/the general stuff, I'll figure out 
the details) I would be most appreciative.

Regards,
Thor


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hi paul,

i think the best way to do this.... i think is to
install the FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE version and then do and
upgrade with the boot floppies... which should... i
hope just work fine....

and you won't have any problems with that 99% because
all the old networking communications devices are
supported in FreeBSD 4.3...

thanks...
regs..
hiten pandya

--- Paul K A Kell <paul@qx.net> wrote:
> don't know if this helps but many of the optiplex
> series are very particular
> about drivers and hardware configurations...  don't
> know, but have you
> checked the compatability list to see if it's been
> tested on your model?
> one other thing, have you changed any jumpers or
> data bus cables for the
> drive?  the optiplex models i've seen were all
> jumpered to cable select with
> the appropriate cable...    just my 2 cents... good
> luck!
> 
> pkak
> Kevin Anderson wrote on 10/28/01 5:05 am:
> 
> Hi, I hope that this will be enough information:
> 
> Background:
> 
> I purchased a book called "FreeBSD Unleased"
> yesterday and used the CD that
> came with it to begin installing FreeBSD 4.4.
> 
> Steps Taken:
> 
> I chose to install FreeBSD 4.4 using by creating the
> 2 boot floppies on a
> seperate Windows98 box from the CD that came with
> the book.  I used the
> boot.flp for the first disk and mfsroot.flp for the
> second floppy.
> 
> Next, I booted my Dell OptiPlex GMT 5166 (a P2
> 166MHz with 96MB RAM) from
> the floppies I created and put the FreeBSD 4.4 CD in
> the CD ROM.  The Dell
> computer has 2 IDE hard drives on the same IDE
> channel and the CD ROM is the
> only device on the second IDE channel.  This Dell
> already has RedHat Linux
> 6.0 installed on it, but I would rather start the
> whole system over with
> FreeBSD 4.4.
> 
> After getting through both boot floppies
> decompressing, I selected the
> visual option to make some changes to the kernel
> configuration.  I disabled
> all of the conflicting devices (all of which were
> under networking) and
> disabled the SCSI device drivers under Storage (I
> have no SCSI devices.)
> 
> Problem:
> 
> Finally, when I am satisfied with the modifications,
> I move on to the next
> step in the installation, which is the hardware
> detection.  The process
> always hangs right after the line that displays
> "plip0: <PLIP network
> interface> on ppbus0" which is followed by a
> carriage return, a line feed,
> then a grey-solid-block character.
> 
> I read and reread the Installation Guide from
> FreeBSD.org and noticed that
> the next line I should expect to see in the hardware
> detection would be one
> related to the first hard drive on the first ide
> channel.
> 
> Both hard drives are 1.2GB Western Digital Caviar. 
> I have never had a
> problem with them and RH Linux 6.0 boots up just
> fine.
> 
> Pleading:
> 
> I am confused and don't know which step to take next
> to install FreeBSD 4.4.
> Please help!
> 
> Thank you kindly for reading all of that.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kevin Anderson
> Newbie
> 
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thanks,
regards,

Hiten Pandya
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Hi Phil!

Welcome to the "brighter side of life" ...   ;-)

Good to hear of new people on the list. What sort of background do you come 
from??

Regards,
Pete.

At 08:15 AM 1/11/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>Just wanted to drop my first email to say hi to everyone. I'm new to 
>FreeBSD, but think it's great!
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil.

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hi,
I've problem with inet connection speed. Sometimes (mostimes) 
lost too many packets are lost (abouve 50%) that it slows 
inet so. The host I was trying it on is on our LAN.
Nothing like this happens in 4.3 release.
Anyone has same experience?
info: I386, 4.4 stable, AMDK6-2, MVP, PLANET 83xx based 
ethernet card(mii+rl0),
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Kevin Anderson wrote:

> Hi, I hope that this will be enough information:
> 
> Background:
> 
> I purchased a book called "FreeBSD Unleased" yesterday and used the CD that came with it to begin installing FreeBSD 4.4.
> 
> Steps Taken:
> 
> I chose to install FreeBSD 4.4 using by creating the 2 boot floppies 
on a seperate Windows98 box from the CD that came with the book.  
I used the boot.flp for the first disk and mfsroot.flp for the second floppy.

I assume you really used kern.flp, not boot.flp.  boot.flp is a 2.88-size
image for 2.88 floppy drives (which few of us have) and is also used as
the image the boots from a CD.

[Wish you'd do carriage returns here so the responder doesn't have to
put them in for you....]

[snip]

Anyway, somewhere you say it's hanging at plip0.  Try, in visual kernel
config at the start of the install, commenting out the ppp0 device,
since that's the parallel port driver that seems to be giving you
trouble.  Don't comment out too much else (ethernet cards you don't
have and probably scsi can be commented out).

I heard of someone else having this problem with 4.4; I'm not sure
why.

	Annelise


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Hi Pete,

I am self taught when it comes to computers. I did an A-level in Computing
at 18, and am currently doing a degree with the Open University in
"Information Technology & Computing".

I am currently working for a big department store (here in England). I work
in the head-office dept arranging new store equipment and the till software,
hardware (like network cables, wavepoints, LANcards, etc.)  The
In-Store-Processors we use are Unix based, although the tills work on WinNT
(no hate mail please :)  )

Having seen the power of Unix, I made a move from Microsoft - first to Linux
(currently RedHat 7.1) and recently to FreeBSD 4.4.

I like the power Unix has to offer (sinister laughter emanating) and want to
take control of it. I've managed to get it talking to my WinME / RedHat7.1
box. Am a computer freak by nature! (Don't know how my wife puts up with it)

Am working on a website at http://www.wintellect.co.uk - I want to make it
Linux/Unix based, any ideas / suggestions welcome! (Ignore what's currently
there, it was a bad attempt at something that went HORRIBLY wrong).

How about you?

Kind regards

Phil

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> Hi Phil!
>
> Welcome to the "brighter side of life" ...   ;-)
>
> Good to hear of new people on the list. What sort of background do you
come
> from??
>
> Regards,
> Pete.
>
> At 08:15 AM 1/11/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >
> >Just wanted to drop my first email to say hi to everyone. I'm new to
> >FreeBSD, but think it's great!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Phil.
>
> --
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> open Windows.
>
>



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Hi Pete,

I am self taught when it comes to computers. I did an A-level in Computing
at 18, and am currently doing a degree with the Open University in
"Information Technology & Computing".

I am currently working for a big department store (here in England). I work
in the head-office dept arranging new store equipment and the till software,
hardware (like network cables, wavepoints, LANcards, etc.)  The
In-Store-Processors we use are Unix based, although the tills work on WinNT
(no hate mail please :)  )

Having seen the power of Unix, I made a move from Microsoft - first to Linux
(currently RedHat 7.1) and recently to FreeBSD 4.4.

I like the power Unix has to offer (sinister laughter emanating) and want to
take control of it. I've managed to get it talking to my WinME / RedHat7.1
box. Am a computer freak by nature! (Don't know how my wife puts up with it)

Am working on a website at http://www.wintellect.co.uk - I want to make it
Linux/Unix based, any ideas / suggestions welcome! (Ignore what's currently
there, it was a bad attempt at something that went HORRIBLY wrong).

How about you?

Kind regards

Phil

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:26 PM
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> Hi Phil!
>
> Welcome to the "brighter side of life" ...   ;-)
>
> Good to hear of new people on the list. What sort of background do you
come
> from??
>
> Regards,
> Pete.
>
> At 08:15 AM 1/11/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >
> >Just wanted to drop my first email to say hi to everyone. I'm new to
> >FreeBSD, but think it's great!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Phil.
>
> --
> Computers are just like air conditioners; They don't work properly if you
> open Windows.
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                         FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit
                                       
   (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list.
   It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/)
   
   FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about
   installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests
   are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to
   questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies.
   
   FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and
   covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt
   with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on
   our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how
   to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to
   use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories,
   moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the
   FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to
   freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are
   doing the same things that we do as newbies.
   
   One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find
   help when we need it. Here are some suggestions:
   
When something doesn't work the way you expect

    1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and
       security advisories.
    2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at
       http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html
    3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of
       `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question
       to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
       
Mailing lists

   When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only
   one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG.
   FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as
   more general and advanced questions.
   
   You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a
   question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you
   personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and
   followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them
   different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to
   freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the
   recent questions and their answers.
   
   Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at
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   FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when
   they get questions which are difficult to understand.
   http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too.
   
   If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and
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   the support mailing list.
   
   Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing
   list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might
   get the answer right away. It's always worth trying.
   
   Other mailing lists
   (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS)
   cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll
   need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's
   probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for
   advice about where to post a more specialised question.
   
   FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional
   announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick
   Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too.
   
Manuals

   You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to
   use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not
   always as easy as it sounds!
   
   If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a
   brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need,
   always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you
   do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction.
   
   Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is
   encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at
   http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html
   
Other resources

   A resource list is available at
   http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and
   inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It
   includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web
   pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a
   suggestion for good material to be included, please write to
   freebsd-newbies and tell us about it.
   
But I have seen people asking questions here!

   It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a
   mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from
   time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't
   belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose
   job it is to sort these problems out privately.
   
   The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It
   is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies
   so we all make mistakes. That's OK.
   
   One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions,
   believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies,
   not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the
   situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to
   redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently.
   There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either.
   
   So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions
   as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies
   can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on
   our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not
   allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the
   mistakes that we need to make in order to learn.
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On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Annelise Anderson wrote:

[snip]

> I assume you really used kern.flp, not boot.flp.  boot.flp is a 2.88-size
> image for 2.88 floppy drives (which few of us have) and is also used as
> the image the boots from a CD.
>
[snip]

After a couple of FreeBSD installations, I installed FreeBSD 4.4 last
week.
And I did it again. Put in the wrong floppy. I find the names of the
floppy images rather confusing.

How about changing "boot.flp" to "boot288.flp" and the kernel.flp and
mfsroot.flp to "boot144a.flp" and "boot144b.flp" ?

Janko van Roosmalen




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On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Janko van Roosmalen wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Annelise Anderson wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > I assume you really used kern.flp, not boot.flp.  boot.flp is a 2.88-size
> > image for 2.88 floppy drives (which few of us have) and is also used as
> > the image the boots from a CD.
> >
> [snip]
> 
> After a couple of FreeBSD installations, I installed FreeBSD 4.4 last
> week.
> And I did it again. Put in the wrong floppy. I find the names of the
> floppy images rather confusing.
> 
> How about changing "boot.flp" to "boot288.flp" and the kernel.flp and
> mfsroot.flp to "boot144a.flp" and "boot144b.flp" ?
> 
> Janko van Roosmalen
> 
It used to be that there was only one.
I sort of like the boot288.flp idea, but I deal more with what is
that what ought to be. :)

I tried to use the boot.flp image to make a floppy, but it refused--
file too large.  Of course, it's time-consuming to download the
wrong one.

	Annelise 

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