From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 23 2:11:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocis.ocis.net (ocis.ocis.net [209.52.173.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7209D37B425 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix (host64.wireless.kamloops.net [64.114.144.93]) by ocis.ocis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02100; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:10:53 -0800 From: "Freddie Cash" Organization: PhoenixTek Consulting To: "Richard Maher" Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 02:12:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: disk space question Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C253D72.12601.6D48D66@localhost> In-reply-to: <95000AEE5C97FA40ADA5EECF715BAEE45E51@mail.ram6.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I ran out of space on the boot disk and I need more room for /usr. Is > it possible to combine two slices from two different hard disks and > mount them to the same point? If not, what else can be done? Theoretically, you *can* mount two different partitions to the same mount point using unionfs. However, there are several issues with unions and it is not recommended. Instead, cd to /usr and do a "du -h --max-depth=1" and figure out which directories are taking up the most space. Consider mounting those directories off the other disk, or moving it to a different partition and creating symlinks pointing back to where it used to be. I hope you didn't include /usr as part of your / partition. If you make only two partitions (three if you include swap), you should *always* have / and /usr as different partitions. Everything can be moved to /usr if need be (/home --> /usr/home, /var --> /usr/var, etc) to make more room in /. In the future, post technical-type questions like this to freebsd- questions. This is not the right list. Afterall, do you really want a bunch of newbies answering your technical questions? :) Cheers, Freddie PhoenixTek Consulting fcash@bigfoot.com Unix / Networking Services (250) 314-4029 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 23 10: 6:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ram6.com (mail.ram6.com [63.194.8.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BD637B419 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: disk space question Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:06:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <95000AEE5C97FA40ADA5EECF715BAEE4421C@mail.ram6.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Maher" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: disk space question Thread-Index: AcGLmi0Xw+21IlVATx6keoyP6idnSwAPulBw From: "Richard Maher" To: Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Freddie. This info really helps. Its my first Unix install and I am still experimenting. Pulled the install over the net using boot floppies. It went smooth. The instructions where clear. And I was blown away at the way it resolved missing dependencies by downloading them from various urls maintained by different groups or individuals! > However, there are several issues with=20 > unions and it is not recommended. I will avoid them. > I hope you didn't include /usr as part=20 > of your / partition. No I did not since I choose Auto when=20 partitioning at install time. Thanks Again, Richard ps. I will make sure next time that I post to freebsd-questions instead. -----Original Message----- From: Freddie Cash [mailto:fcash@bigfoot.com] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:12 AM To: Richard Maher Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disk space question > I ran out of space on the boot disk and I need more room for /usr. Is > it possible to combine two slices from two different hard disks and > mount them to the same point? If not, what else can be done? Theoretically, you *can* mount two different partitions to the same=20 mount point using unionfs. However, there are several issues with=20 unions and it is not recommended. Instead, cd to /usr and do a "du -h --max-depth=3D1" and figure out = which=20 directories are taking up the most space. Consider mounting those=20 directories off the other disk, or moving it to a different partition=20 and creating symlinks pointing back to where it used to be. I hope you didn't include /usr as part of your / partition. If you make only two partitions (three if you include swap), you should *always*=20 have / and /usr as different partitions. Everything can be moved to=20 /usr if need be (/home --> /usr/home, /var --> /usr/var, etc) to make=20 more room in /. In the future, post technical-type questions like this to freebsd- questions. 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andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41FD37B405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA57686; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:58:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:58:44 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Marc Smits Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: no echo using ppp on /dev/cuaa1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW most critical in making the modem answer calls is S0=1 (or 2 or 3 or 4); S0=0 means the modem won't anwer the phone. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 25 1:59:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3803F37B419 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA57683; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:57:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Marc Smits Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: no echo using ppp on /dev/cuaa1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Marc Smits wrote: > Eej all, > > When I try to dial in (FreeBSD 4.3) using user-PPP I get the response > "chat script failed", so I try to dial in manually. > > I used stty -f /dev/cuaa1 echo to switch on echo-ing, byt when I use ppp > it does not echo. It does ring however when I type ATD(number). > > How cat I switch on echoing on this device, so I can config my modem > (ig switch on tone-dialing :-) and dial in? > > Grtz, Marc > cu -l /dev/cuaa0 (or whatever device your modem is on) should put you in touch with the modem. Conventially Hayes commands can then be sent to the modem with AT, e.g., ATE0 turns modem echoing on (or is it off?). A variety of other AT commands, depending on the modem, work to set default proviles etc. Exist from cu with ~. (that's tilde dot, more than once if necessary). Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 25 20:17:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f3.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A543737B41A for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:17:22 -0800 Received: from 210.8.4.34 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:17:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.8.4.34] From: "Theng Ung" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvsup & make world Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:17:22 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2001 04:17:22.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[37672EA0:01C18DC4] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I want to update my system so I copy the file cvsup-file from /usr/share/examples/. I create a directory call /home/ncvs etc... as the instruction in that file. cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile, take several hours. OK, the cvsup had finish download. Here are the directy it created rwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 10:13 CVSROOT drwxr-xr-x 32 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 13:21 doc drwxr-xr-x 58 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 13:06 ports drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 14:19 src I go into src directory drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:14 Attic -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8488 Sep 15 15:35 COPYRIGHT,v -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 228992 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile,v -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 220652 Dec 24 09:49 Makefile.inc1,v -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 27753 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile.upgrade,v -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 23771 Sep 15 15:35 README,v -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 171321 Dec 24 18:04 UPDATING,v drwxr-xr-x 36 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:14 bin drwxr-xr-x 57 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:51 contrib drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:57 crypto drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:58 eBones ...... ............... Hmmm where do I do" make world" from here? I try make world but it complain as below. make: don't know how to make world. Stop If I try to rename one of the Makefile,* above it won't work either. Please advise. By the way I am using FreeBSD4.4Release. Regards, Theng _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 25 20:39:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7627E37B416 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nidoqueen-49.dynamic.rpi.edu (HELO Rozinante.dynamic.rpi.edu) (128.113.138.138) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 04:39:29 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: "Theng Ung" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup & make world Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:44:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122523444701.68820@Rozinante.dynamic.rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 25 December 2001 11:17 pm, Theng Ung wrote cvsup & make world: | Hi, | | I want to update my system so I copy the file cvsup-file from | /usr/share/examples/. I create a directory call /home/ncvs etc... as the | instruction in that file. | | cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile, take several hours. | | OK, the cvsup had finish download. Here are the directy it created | | rwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 10:13 CVSROOT | drwxr-xr-x 32 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 13:21 doc | drwxr-xr-x 58 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 13:06 ports | drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 14:19 src | | I go into src directory | | drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:14 Attic | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8488 Sep 15 15:35 COPYRIGHT,v | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 228992 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile,v | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 220652 Dec 24 09:49 Makefile.inc1,v | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 27753 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile.upgrade,v | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 23771 Sep 15 15:35 README,v | -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 171321 Dec 24 18:04 UPDATING,v | drwxr-xr-x 36 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:14 bin | drwxr-xr-x 57 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:51 contrib | drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:57 crypto | drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:58 eBones | ...... ............... | | Hmmm where do I do" make world" from here? | I try make world but it complain as below. | make: don't know how to make world. Stop | | If I try to rename one of the Makefile,* above it won't work either. | | Please advise. | | By the way I am using FreeBSD4.4Release. | | Regards, | | Theng | You want to cd to /usr/src in order to make world. Actually, the directions (in short) are: 1) su 2) cd /usr/src 3) make buildworld 4) make buildkernel 5) make installkernel 6) make installworld 7) mergemaster You may want to re-read the Handbook page on this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html Good luck Marci -- So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? - James Joyce, Finnegans Wake _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 25 21:22:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f126.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E927D37B405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 21:22:40 -0800 Received: from 210.8.4.34 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 05:22:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.8.4.34] From: "Theng Ung" To: mimerki@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup & make world Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:22:40 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2001 05:22:40.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[56EAB900:01C18DCD] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Hmmm in /usr/src, Only this directory exist. total 3 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:47 . drwxr-xr-x 18 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:07 .. drwxr-xr-x 47 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:47 sys Thanks >From: Marcia Barrett Nice >To: "Theng Ung" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: cvsup & make world >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:44:47 -0500 > >On Tuesday 25 December 2001 11:17 pm, Theng Ung wrote cvsup & make world: >| Hi, >| >| I want to update my system so I copy the file cvsup-file from >| /usr/share/examples/. I create a directory call /home/ncvs etc... as the >| instruction in that file. >| >| cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile, take several hours. >| >| OK, the cvsup had finish download. Here are the directy it created >| >| rwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 10:13 CVSROOT >| drwxr-xr-x 32 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 13:21 doc >| drwxr-xr-x 58 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 13:06 ports >| drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 14:19 src >| >| I go into src directory >| >| drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:14 Attic >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8488 Sep 15 15:35 COPYRIGHT,v >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 228992 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile,v >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 220652 Dec 24 09:49 Makefile.inc1,v >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 27753 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile.upgrade,v >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 23771 Sep 15 15:35 README,v >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 171321 Dec 24 18:04 UPDATING,v >| drwxr-xr-x 36 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:14 bin >| drwxr-xr-x 57 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:51 contrib >| drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:57 crypto >| drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:58 eBones >| ...... ............... >| >| Hmmm where do I do" make world" from here? >| I try make world but it complain as below. >| make: don't know how to make world. Stop >| >| If I try to rename one of the Makefile,* above it won't work either. >| >| Please advise. >| >| By the way I am using FreeBSD4.4Release. >| >| Regards, >| >| Theng >| > >You want to cd to /usr/src in order to make world. Actually, the >directions >(in short) are: >1) su >2) cd /usr/src >3) make buildworld >4) make buildkernel >5) make installkernel >6) make installworld >7) mergemaster > >You may want to re-read the Handbook page on this: >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html > >Good luck >Marci > >-- >So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, >paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? >- James Joyce, Finnegans Wake > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 25 23: 0:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E9537B419 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA60036; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:45:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Theng Ung Cc: mimerki@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup & make world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Theng Ung wrote: > Hi, > > > Hmmm in /usr/src, Only this directory exist. > > total 3 > drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:47 . > drwxr-xr-x 18 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:07 .. > drwxr-xr-x 47 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:47 sys > > Thanks > > >From: Marcia Barrett Nice > >To: "Theng Ung" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: cvsup & make world > >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:44:47 -0500 > > > >On Tuesday 25 December 2001 11:17 pm, Theng Ung wrote cvsup & make world: > >| Hi, > >| > >| I want to update my system so I copy the file cvsup-file from > >| /usr/share/examples/. I create a directory call /home/ncvs etc... as the > >| instruction in that file. > >| > >| cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile, take several hours. > >| > >| OK, the cvsup had finish download. Here are the directy it created > >| > >| rwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 10:13 CVSROOT > >| drwxr-xr-x 32 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 13:21 doc > >| drwxr-xr-x 58 root wheel 1536 Dec 26 13:06 ports > >| drwxr-xr-x 24 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 14:19 src > >| > >| I go into src directory > >| > >| drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:14 Attic > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 8488 Sep 15 15:35 COPYRIGHT,v > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 228992 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile,v > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 220652 Dec 24 09:49 Makefile.inc1,v > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 27753 Sep 15 15:35 Makefile.upgrade,v > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 23771 Sep 15 15:35 README,v > >| -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 171321 Dec 24 18:04 UPDATING,v > >| drwxr-xr-x 36 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:14 bin > >| drwxr-xr-x 57 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:51 contrib > >| drwxr-xr-x 8 root wheel 512 Dec 26 10:57 crypto > >| drwxr-xr-x 35 root wheel 1024 Dec 26 10:58 eBones > >| ...... ............... > >| > >| Hmmm where do I do" make world" from here? > >| I try make world but it complain as below. > >| make: don't know how to make world. Stop > >| > >| If I try to rename one of the Makefile,* above it won't work either. > >| > >| Please advise. > >| > >| By the way I am using FreeBSD4.4Release. > >| > >| Regards, > >| > >| Theng > >| > > > >You want to cd to /usr/src in order to make world. Actually, the > >directions > >(in short) are: > >1) su > >2) cd /usr/src > >3) make buildworld > >4) make buildkernel > >5) make installkernel > >6) make installworld > >7) mergemaster > > > >You may want to re-read the Handbook page on this: > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html > > > >Good luck > >Marci > > You downloaded the cvs repository by using the supfile you did. If you want to update your system, the supfile you want to use is stable-supfile. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 4: 4:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from raffles-it.com (dynamic-50.tnt1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.8.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC7437B430 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from arrow.lan.raffles-it.com (arrow.lan.raffles-it.com [192.168.100.51]) by raffles-it.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fBQC47125227; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:04:07 GMT (envelope-from dpd@raffles-it.com) Received: from arrow.lan.raffles-it.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arrow.lan.raffles-it.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBQC3R234091; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:03:27 GMT (envelope-from dpd@lan.raffles-it.com) Message-Id: <200112261203.fBQC3R234091@arrow.lan.raffles-it.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Theng Ung" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, dpd@arrow.lan.raffles-it.com Subject: Re: cvsup & make world In-Reply-To: Message from "Theng Ung" of "Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:17:22 +1100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-776722820P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:03:27 +0000 From: David Dooley Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-776722820P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Theng, All thought you now have the full CVS repository on your system it sounds like you need to extract it to the /usr/src hierarchy. I cvs all the src for all versions and then I extract the src I am interested in locally. To do this and set the version of src cd /usr cvs co -r Substitute for the release you which to build. One thing to rember is that subsequent 'updates' will use the same . The I use for most of my machines is RELENG_4 which get's me the latest version of the stable branch. 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TEL./FAX: +7(095) 797-04-82, 797-04-08, 107-78-58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 13:19:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f78.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2745037B42B for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:18:59 -0800 Received: from 210.8.4.34 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:18:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.8.4.34] From: "Theng Ung" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup & make world Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:18:59 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2001 21:18:59.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF469F90:01C18E52] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, thanks for all the replies. I think I use the wrong supfile according to one of response I get. I should have use e.g stable-supfile. If I update using stable-supfile will it only update what I has already install on my system ? or it install everything? Would anyone happen to know rougly what size will each supfile will download? say for cvsup stable-supfile and what about ports update? around 70MB? for ports update? Regards, Theng >From: David Dooley >To: "Theng Ung" >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, dpd@arrow.lan.raffles-it.com >Subject: Re: cvsup & make world >Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:03:27 +0000 > >Theng, > >All thought you now have the full CVS repository on your system it >sounds like you need to extract it to the /usr/src hierarchy. > >I cvs all the src for all versions and then I extract the src I am >interested in locally. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 13:49:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DABF37B416 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Wed, 26 Dec 01 16:49:41 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:49:40 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: not happy w/any window managers Message-ID: <3C31A9A9@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been try many wm's and have not found one that let's me resize windows like MS win. ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you can change size of both x and y too. Anybody know which one can do this? It has been frustrating, many wm's default to an eye candy screen and have a skeevy/tricky feel There's nothing I would like more than a gui that would replace my win2k - I am trying. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 14:24:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1101737B405 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nidoqueen-49.dynamic.rpi.edu (HELO Rozinante.dynamic.rpi.edu) (128.113.138.138) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 22:24:36 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: leegold , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: not happy w/any window managers Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:29:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C31A9A9@operamail.com> In-Reply-To: <3C31A9A9@operamail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122617294901.73557@Rozinante.dynamic.rpi.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you tried KDE2.x? I am running it and can resize windows as described. Not that I'm pushing my preferred wm or anything... Marci On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:49 pm, leegold wrote not happy w/any window managers: | I have been try many wm's and have not found one | | that let's me resize windows like MS win. | ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a | window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" | indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you | can change size of both x and y too. | | Anybody know which one can do this? | | It has been frustrating, many wm's default to | an eye candy screen and have a skeevy/tricky feel | There's nothing I would like more than a gui that | would replace my win2k - I am trying. | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? - James Joyce, Finnegans Wake _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 16:55:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9209B37B416 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:55:15 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Wed, 26 Dec 01 19:55:11 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:55:11 -0500 From: leegold To: Marcia Barrett Nice Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: RE: not happy w/any window managers Message-ID: <3C32C464@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to avoid KDE/Gnome and just find a WM that can do resizing as described below. I'm too worried about it. If I was real worried about it I'd get an Apple w/os X. >===== Original Message From Marcia Barrett Nice ===== >Have you tried KDE2.x? I am running it and can resize windows as described. >Not that I'm pushing my preferred wm or anything... > >Marci > >On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:49 pm, leegold wrote not happy w/any window >managers: >| I have been try many wm's and have not found one >| >| that let's me resize windows like MS win. >| ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a >| window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" >| indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you >| can change size of both x and y too. >| >| Anybody know which one can do this? >| >| It has been frustrating, many wm's default to >| an eye candy screen and have a skeevy/tricky feel >| There's nothing I would like more than a gui that >| would replace my win2k - I am trying. >| >| >| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >| with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > >-- >So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, >paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? >- James Joyce, Finnegans Wake > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 17:39:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Amelia.bsdprophet.org (cherry46.theshop.net [63.67.33.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500337B416 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdprophet.org (localhost.bsdprophet.org [127.0.0.1]) by Amelia.bsdprophet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBR1dIU00404; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:39:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Message-ID: <3C2A7BC6.D160AA87@bsdprophet.org> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:39:18 -0600 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: Marcia Barrett Nice , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: not happy w/any window managers References: <3C32C464@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recommend Icewm it will give you all the resizing you want. It is available in /usr/ports/x11-wm/icewm. Also you might want to install icepref, this is a gui configuration program for icewm. Also located i/usr/ports/x11-wm/icepref/ Scott leegold wrote: > > I'm trying to avoid KDE/Gnome and just find > a WM that can do resizing as described below. > I'm too worried about it. If I was real worried > about it I'd get an Apple w/os X. > > >===== Original Message From Marcia Barrett Nice ===== > >Have you tried KDE2.x? I am running it and can resize windows as described. > >Not that I'm pushing my preferred wm or anything... > > > >Marci > > > >On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:49 pm, leegold wrote not happy w/any window > >managers: > >| I have been try many wm's and have not found one > >| > >| that let's me resize windows like MS win. > >| ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a > >| window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" > >| indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you > >| can change size of both x and y too. > >| > >| Anybody know which one can do this? > >| > >| It has been frustrating, many wm's default to > >| an eye candy screen and have a skeevy/tricky feel > >| There's nothing I would like more than a gui that > >| would replace my win2k - I am trying. > >| > >| > >| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >| with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >-- > >So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, > >paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? > >- James Joyce, Finnegans Wake > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 18: 3:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A969537B416 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1cust70.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net ([67.201.21.70] helo=orange.home) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16JPt7-0002Us-00; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:03:17 -0800 From: Don Tyson To: leegold@operamail.com Cc: scott@bsdprophet.org, mimerki@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: not happy w/any window managers Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:03:10 -0500 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wednesday 26 December 2001 04:49 pm, leegold wrote not happy w/any window >managers: > I have been try many wm's and have not found one > > that let's me resize windows like MS win. > ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a > window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" > indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you > can change size of both x and y too. mwm can do all of that. it's not very fancy -- it's either classic or tired, depending on your point of view -- but it works smoothly and has full keyboard or mouse control to move, resize, minimize or maximize -- and ALT+F4 to kill. look in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/open-motif. Don Tyson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 26 23:30:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59BA37B419 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fBR7U0T10210; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:30:00 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:30:00 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: not happy w/any window managers Message-ID: <20011227182959.D997@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3C31A9A9@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C31A9A9@operamail.com>; from leegold@operamail.com on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:49:40PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 04:49:40PM -0500, leegold wrote: > I have been try many wm's and have not found one > > that let's me resize windows like MS win. > ie. you position the point ANYwhere along a > window's edge and the hand turns into a "double arrow" > indicating you can reposition. If done at a corner you > can change size of both x and y too. > > Anybody know which one can do this? Nearly all of them do. For example, even the humble fvwm2 does that very well. The trick is that you have to _configure_ your chosen window manager to behave the way you want it to behave. Some people don't like the behaviour you are seeking (though I can't imagine why not) and each window manager's defaults are just meant as a starting point. When you use a GUI like Microsoft or OS/2 or MacOS, you are pretty much stuck with how the vendor likes it. People who use X don't want to be told what to prefer. Like you, they tend to have definite likes and dislikes, and want to be able to tell their window managers just about everything that they want them to do and how to present windows, commands, options, etc. Everything. It's all there like a well trained puppy dog, just wishing you would tell it what to do to please you. > It has been frustrating, many wm's default to > an eye candy screen and have a skeevy/tricky feel I heartily agree. Window managers are best chosen by assessing their configuration opportunities and limitations, but unfortunately many people tend to judge by first impressions, hence the sleezy gooey look of their defaults. You're ready to step past that and see what's really inside the box. > There's nothing I would like more than a gui that > would replace my win2k - I am trying. You're nearly there. Spend some time browsing the man page with your personal home directory copy of its config file (of fvwm2 or any simple window manager) in your trusty text editor, and enjoy the vast new world that opens up to you. If you're coming from Microsoft and you see how much is possible, it'll blow your mind! :-) If you have picked a window manager, read the man page and the config file, and still can't work out how to do it, send the specific question to the other mailing list freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (along with any relevant info like which window manager name and version), and someone will throw you a clue. Once you've configured the hell out of a simple window manager (any small one), you'll be better able to assess the other window managers. 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-1110 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 27 7:51:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3EC37B429 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway3.uscg.mil (nobody@mail.dandy.net [209.128.224.7]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29148 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:51:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200112271551.KAA29148@rastaban.dandy.net> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: rich465@dandy.net Subject: Download Prob? Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:51:46 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to download the 4.4 image for i386, I get about 125 meg and my ISP boots me, is it split up some where so I can download and put together and burn a CD? Thanks Rich Wineland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 27 8:33: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D712137B417 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:33:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011227163259.46295.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.129.137.39] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:32:59 PST Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: AlCapone Subject: adding freebsd box to home lan To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okie, I have just installed freebsd on one of my boxes and I would like to add it to my home lan. I have read handbook part about networking and it seems that my configuration is fine. /etc/rc.conf (part with networking) defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" #my winxp gateway box hostname="gangster.chicago30s.com" #complitely fake, I do not have a domain ifconfig_ep0="inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifcoinfig -m ep0 (ep0 my network, 3com 3c509) ep0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::220:afff:fe58:e700%ep0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:20:af:58:a7:00 media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP supported media: media 10baseT/UTP media 10base5/AUI OK. I am using box with winxp on it as a gateway, another box with win98 is in the lan and works fine - can use internet, pings, all nice. My freebsd 4.4 box pings itself as 192.168.0.3, but does not ping gateway (192.168.0.1) and another lan box (192.168.0.2), those 2 win boxes do not ping bsd either. NIC is fine, just checked by plugging into another pc, physical connection is fine too - my hub's light is led showing that. Bottom line - I wan to add my freebsd box to home lan (2 more win boxes) and then use my winxp box as a gateway for freebsd's internet. As mail-list-name implies, I am new to both freebsd and unix, so don't blame me if I missed something important :) cheers, AlCapone ----------------------------------------------- What is difficult takes time, what is impossible takes a little longer. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 27 10:51:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8135037B417 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fBRIpgFa067758 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:51:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03706; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:51:42 +0100 (CET) From: "Consol" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: port 6000 // X11 forwarding by SSH Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:51:48 +0100 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi..... I seem to have an open port according to nmap and nessus.... The port is 6000 and it does X11 forwarding..... I would like this disabled. I have tried changing the ssh_config files however when I start X and run an nmap localhost I still see the port being open....... Does anybody have some medicine for me? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 27 12:29:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Amelia.bsdprophet.org (cherry46.theshop.net [63.67.33.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D08837B419 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdprophet.org (localhost.bsdprophet.org [127.0.0.1]) by Amelia.bsdprophet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBRKTQU01235; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:29:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Message-ID: <3C2B84A6.FD06B1FB@bsdprophet.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:29:26 -0600 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AlCapone Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding freebsd box to home lan References: <20011227163259.46295.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You need to add the other boxes in /etc/hosts file on your FreeBSD box. However, It would be much better to use the FreeBSD box as a gateway and let the window boxes just be desktops, since that is about all they are good for. In the long run you will find that your FreeBSD box a much better gateway. Scott AlCapone wrote: > > Okie, I have just installed freebsd on one of my boxes > and I would like to add it to my home lan. I have read > handbook part about networking and it seems that my > configuration is fine. > > /etc/rc.conf (part with networking) > defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" #my winxp gateway box > hostname="gangster.chicago30s.com" #complitely fake, I > do not have a domain > ifconfig_ep0="inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > ifcoinfig -m ep0 (ep0 my network, 3com 3c509) > ep0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast > 192.168.0.255 > inet6 fe80::220:afff:fe58:e700%ep0 prefixlen 64 > scopeid 0x1 > ether 00:20:af:58:a7:00 > media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP > > supported media: > media 10baseT/UTP > media 10base5/AUI > > OK. I am using box with winxp on it as a gateway, > another box with win98 is in the lan and works fine - > can use internet, pings, all nice. My freebsd 4.4 box > pings itself as 192.168.0.3, but does not ping gateway > (192.168.0.1) and another lan box (192.168.0.2), those > 2 win boxes do not ping bsd either. > NIC is fine, just checked by plugging into another pc, > physical connection is fine too - my hub's light is > led showing that. > > Bottom line - I wan to add my freebsd box to home lan > (2 more win boxes) and then use my winxp box as a > gateway for freebsd's internet. > > As mail-list-name implies, I am new to both freebsd > and unix, so don't blame me if I missed something > important :) > > cheers, > AlCapone > ----------------------------------------------- > What is difficult takes time, what is impossible takes > a little longer. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 27 19:28:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from krynn.brundoggy.com (mawi145-230.dsl.tds.net [204.71.145.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D18D37B416 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mawi145-230.dsl.tds.net (mawi145-230.dsl.tds.net [204.71.145.230]) by krynn.brundoggy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBS3TNI00401 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:29:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:29:17 -0600 (CST) From: Greg To: Subject: New kernel renumbers drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed and FreeBSD 4.4 and rebuilt the kernel. After doing so my drive has been renumbered and I get an 'initial' error on the Promise ATA100 card. I don't believe I commented out anything in the kernel that would generate this problem. I've included the lines from the GENERIC and my KERNEL along with the dmesg from the GENERIC boot and the new kernel boot. What is 'ign0' (in GENERIC but not edited kernel dmesg)? The Promise ATA100 shows up as atapci0 in GENERIC but atapci1 in the new one. Thanks in advance. GENERIC BOOT DMESG ================== real memory = 75497472 (73728K bytes) avail memory = 68759552 (67148K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel.GENERIC" at 0xc0480000. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 ign0 at device 1.0 on pci0 isab0: at device 2.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfc80-0xfcbf,0xfcd8-0xfcdb,0xfce0-0xfce7,0xfcf0-0xfcf3,0xfcf8-0xfcff mem 0xffbe0000-0xffbfffff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xfcf8 on atapci0 ata3: at 0xfce0 on atapci0 pci0: at 14.0 orm0:
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C18F9A.2DAF6710-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 9:30:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1ED37B41E for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Fri, 28 Dec 01 12:30:19 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:30:18 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: ppp.conf Message-ID: <3C3D0AD5@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I only see a ppp.conf sample file. I do not see a ppp.options file. I thought ppp.options was used for kernel ppp when not using pap/chap. I am confused since I see about 10 different ways and scripts for ppp. I have not found one cogent explanantion in any freebsd document. For example the handbook say something about kernel ppp for a cisco hub(?) I want to connect to my ISP THAT"S ALL. And it's bewildering. FreeBSD is not easy for someone with average intelligence like me. YEs, I will keep hacking until I can connect, I will keep hacking untill I can get an X windows where I can be even remotely as productive as the GUI on win2k. It's all a hack - I still can't find step by step documention with technical side bars. I rarely get anything out of man pages. They seem like they are written in another language not english. Another eg. I try blackbox wm, I get a pitchblack screen and a staic task bar of some kind. No usability. I try gwm, I get a real color fest here again I'll spend weeks hacking it until I get productive. Fonts? I got all the fonts again, at least a day figuring the fonts. ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend a couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take me thru it line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average intelligence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 10:23:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Amelia.bsdprophet.org (cherry46.theshop.net [63.67.33.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31B537B416 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdprophet.org (localhost.bsdprophet.org [127.0.0.1]) by Amelia.bsdprophet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBSINeU02907; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:23:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Message-ID: <3C2CB8AC.568FB454@bsdprophet.org> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:23:40 -0600 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp.conf References: <3C3D0AD5@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a link for a step by step howto on ppp. I found it by going to the FreeBSD home page, looking under "For Newbies" (which is on the left column) then going into the documentation link. Took three clicks of my mouse. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer/index.html Scott leegold wrote: > > I only see a ppp.conf sample file. I do not see a ppp.options > file. > > I thought ppp.options was used for kernel ppp > when not using pap/chap. > > I am confused since I see about 10 different > ways and scripts for ppp. I have not found one > cogent explanantion in any freebsd document. > For example the handbook say something about > kernel ppp for a cisco hub(?) > > I want to connect to my ISP THAT"S ALL. > And it's bewildering. FreeBSD is not easy > for someone with average intelligence like me. > > YEs, I will keep hacking until I can connect, > I will keep hacking untill I can get an X windows > where I can be even remotely as productive as the GUI > on win2k. It's all a hack - I still can't find step by step > documention with technical side bars. > > I rarely get anything out of man pages. They seem like > they are written in another language not english. > > Another eg. I try blackbox wm, I get a pitchblack screen > and a staic task bar of some kind. No usability. I try > gwm, I get a real color fest here again I'll spend weeks > hacking it until I get productive. Fonts? I got all the fonts > again, at least a day figuring the fonts. > > ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend > a couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take me thru > it line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average intelligence. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 10:29:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7D37B432 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from BradMorgan ([24.53.83.156]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GP2GNI00.NKW; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:28:30 -0500 From: "Brad Morgan" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Download Prob? Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C2C9ED6.3D5CD25@bsdprophet.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > rich465@dandy.net wrote: > > > > I'm trying to download the 4.4 image for i386, I get about 125 > meg and my ISP > > boots me, is it split up some where so I can download and put > together and burn > > a CD? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rich Wineland > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message If you have an FTP client that supports restartable transfers you can just pick up where your ISP left you. Not all of the FreeBSD servers support restartable transfers, but some of them do. Regards, Brad Morgan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 11:32:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web14404.mail.yahoo.com (web14404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BCBA37B41B for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011228193209.84759.qmail@web14404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.129.137.39] by web14404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:09 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: AlCapone Subject: Re: adding freebsd box to home LAN To: dgkerr@juno.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011228.092543.1292.0.dgkerr@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there, I have tried to use two disks from 3com. I statred phpdsabl.bat from floppy2 (actually I burned them on cd) and got this: blah blah The PNP mode has been turned off. blah blah program starts again !!!ERROR!!! The configuration parameter specifies is onl available for 3c509b NICs in ISA mode. The 3c5x9 NIC, NIC number 1, failed to configure. Plug 'n Play mode is disabled. Power cycle the computer to have the change take effect. blah blah clsoe the window if you're on win95 Now, that does not look too good, so I thought I'd put this in letter. >Posted by George >Manually set the NIC, and the IRQ. I have not been > successful on two or > three of these until Plug and Play is disabled. That made me little confused: where am I supposed to get irq's from to set? And, George, what did you mean that you "have not been successful on two or three.." of what? NIC's? One more thing, if I do get IRQ's somehow, could anyone please explain me where to set them in freebsd? cheers, AlCapone ----------------------------------------------------- What is difficult takes time, what is impossible takes a little longer. --- dgkerr@juno.com wrote: > Hi All, > > I do not qualify as an expert by any means, but... > > In my limited experience with a 3com 3c509 NIC and > FreeBSD, you need to > get the dos disk, boot in dos and disable plug an > play on this NIC. > Manually set the NIC, and the IRQ. I have not been > successful on two or > three of these until Plug and Play is disabled. > > Also, what is bandwidth on the rest of your LAN? Is > it 100baseT? You > may have issues with a 10baseT and 100baseT on the > same network. > > Regards, > George > > > > On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:35:24 -0500 "AlCapone" > > writes: > > Good Morning Gentlemen, > > I want to clarify few things: first of all, > besides my gateway > > (winxp, > > 192.168.0.1 && 12.34.56.78) and frebsd box > (192.168.0.3) I have > > another pc > > (win98se 192.168.0.2) which is using winxp as it's > gateway, so winxp > > is > > configured properly to allow sharing, so gateway > problem are out of > > the way. > > I do want to point out though, that ifconfig -m > ep0 gives me this > > (ep0 my > > 3com 3c509 nic with 2 physical exits, coax and > tp): > > > > ifcoinfig -m ep0 (ep0 my network, 3com 3c509) > > ep0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 192.168.0.3 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast > 192.168.0.255 > > inet6 fe80::220:afff:fe58:e700%ep0 prefixlen 64 > scopeid 0x1 > > ether 00:20:af:58:a7:00 > > media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP > > > > supported media: > > media 10baseT/UTP > > media 10base5/AUI > > > > I have heard that there should be line 'status' > right by 'media' and > > I am > > missing it. What are you opinions on missing > 'status', how do I > > bring it up? > > On www.freebsddiary.org forums, Daniel Schrock, > asked me to post my > > ifconfig -i and ifconfig -r results. I am not sure > if they are of > > any use to > > find the problem, but just to be on the safe side > here they're: > > > > netstat -i > > > > Name Mtu Network Address IpktsIerrsOpkrtsOerrs > > ep0 1500 00:20:af:58:e7:00 1664 0 184 183 > > ep 1500 192.168.0 gangster 491 - 183 - > > ep 1500 fe80:1::220 fe80:1::220:afff: 0 - 0 - > > lp* 1500 0 0 0 0 > > lo 16384 10 0 10 0 > > lo 16384 ::1 ::1 0 - 0 - > > lo 16384 fe80:3::1 fe80:3:1 0 - 0 - > > lo 16384 127 localhost 4 - 4 - > > ooo* 1500 0 0 0 0 > > sl0* 552 0 0 0 0 > > faith 1500 0 0 0 0 > > (last column - Coll - did not fit, but its exactly > like last on in > > here - > > oerrs) > > > > netstat -r > > > > Routing tables > > > > Internet: > > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > > default 1337g UGSc 0 0 ep0 > > localhost localhost UH 0 4 lo0 > > 192.168.0 link#1 UC 2 0 ep0 > > 1337g 0:50:ba:53:ef:a5 UHLW 2 187 ep0 942 > > gangster 0:20:af:58:e7:0 UHLW 0 6 lo0 > > > > Internet6: > > Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire > > :: ::1 UGRSc lo0 > > ::1 ::1 UH lo0 > > ::ffff:0.0.0.0 ::1 UGRSc lo0 > > fe80:: ::1 UGRSc lo0 > > fe80::%ep0 link#1 UC ep0 > > fe80::220:afff:fe5 0:20:af:58:e7:0 UHL lo0 > > fe80::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 > > fe80::1%lo0 link#3 UHL lo0 > > ff01:: ::1 U lo0 > > ff02:: ::1 UGRSc lo0 > > ff02::%ep0 link#1 UC ep0 > > ff02LL%lo0 ::1 UC lo0 > > > > Again, there are my boxes in lan > > > > winxp-> 1337g -> 192.168.0.1 -> winxp gateway for > freebsd > > win98se -> eugene -> 192.168.0.2 -> doesnt appear > here, another lan > > box > > freebsd 4.4 -> gangster -> 192.168.0.3 -> freebsd > box itself > > > > XP - 2 NICs 12.34.56.78 and 192.168.0.1 > > 98 - 1 NIC 192.168.0.2 > > BSD - 1 NIC 192.168.0.3 > > > > Cable modem --- straight (no cross) ----> > 12.34.56.78 > > 192.168.0.1 --- straight ----> Hub (no uplink > port) > > 192.168.0.2 --- straight ----> Hub (no uplink > port) > > 192.168.0.3 --- straight ----> Hub (no uplink > port) > > > > > > Bottom line: on other 2 forums, final reply was - > "throw your junky > > nic away > > and buy something better, nowadays nobody uses > 10baseT or exchange > > it with > > your win98". Might be a good idea to take my dlink > from win98 and > > switch > > with freebsd's 3com, yet I hope there is something > I could do, > > becuase some > > time ago when I was using slackware for few weeks > I had had the > > same > > problem - loops back but doesn't work, and I did > fix it somehow - > > too bad > > dont remember how exactly... > > Thanks for any help, guys, I appreciate that! > > > > cheers, > > AlCapone > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What is difficult take time, what is impossible > takes a little > > longer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Annelise Anderson" > > > To: "Scott Corey" > > Cc: "AlCapone" ; > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: adding freebsd box to home lan > > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Scott Corey wrote: > > > > > > > You need to add the other boxes in /etc/hosts > file on your > > FreeBSD box. > > > > However, It would be much better to use the > FreeBSD box as a > > gateway and > > > > let the window boxes just be desktops, since > that is about all > > they are > > > > good for. In the long run you will find that > your FreeBSD box a > > much > > > > better gateway. > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > AlCapone wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okie, I have just installed freebsd on one > of my boxes > > > > > and I would like to add it to my home lan. I > have read > > > > > handbook part about networking and it seems > that my > > > > > configuration is fine. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Definitely the FreeBSD box as the gateway is > "better,", but > > > if you need to run Windows as the Internet > connection, the > > > FreeBSD machine can get there through it--with a > default > > > route of the internal interface on the Windows > gateway. > > > However, you have to use either Windows > connection sharing > > > (which may assign your other machines an IP > address) or > > > you need a Windows program like Sygate (which is > what I've > > > used) that basically does network address > transalation > > > (and will also forward ports and the like, as > well as > > > act as a DHCP server) on the Windows gateway. > > > > > > Annelise > > > > > > -- > > > Annelise Anderson > > > Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating > System for Your PC > > > Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com > > > Book Website: > http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > > > > > George Kerr > Web-Pilot > www.milehirc.com > dgkerr@juno.com > web-pilot@attbi.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 12: 0:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C24A37B41E for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA70000; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:45:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp.conf In-Reply-To: <3C3D0AD5@operamail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, leegold wrote: > I only see a ppp.conf sample file. I do not see a ppp.options > file. > > I thought ppp.options was used for kernel ppp > when not using pap/chap. > > I am confused since I see about 10 different > ways and scripts for ppp. I have not found one > cogent explanantion in any freebsd document. > For example the handbook say something about > kernel ppp for a cisco hub(?) > > I want to connect to my ISP THAT"S ALL. > And it's bewildering. FreeBSD is not easy > for someone with average intelligence like me. > > YEs, I will keep hacking until I can connect, > I will keep hacking untill I can get an X windows > where I can be even remotely as productive as the GUI > on win2k. It's all a hack - I still can't find step by step > documention with technical side bars. > > I rarely get anything out of man pages. They seem like > they are written in another language not english. The man page for ppp is detailed but includes a step-by-step description of what to do. Remember that FreeBSD has two different implementations of the point-to-point protocol, user ppp and kernel ppp. You use one or the other, not both. User ppp is the most up-to- date and the one to which the ppp manual page refers (the other is pppd). Also keep in mind that there's dial-up and dial-in. You want to dial-up your ISP, not set up your computer (right now) to accept dial-in. Annelise > Another eg. I try blackbox wm, I get a pitchblack screen > and a staic task bar of some kind. No usability. I try > gwm, I get a real color fest here again I'll spend weeks > hacking it until I get productive. Fonts? I got all the fonts > again, at least a day figuring the fonts. Almost all wm's give you menus with a mouse right-click and a mouse left-click. Try those before giving up. > > ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend > a couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take me thru > it line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average intelligence. man ppp Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 14: 9:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3793737B41F for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:09:32 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Fri, 28 Dec 01 17:09:28 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:09:28 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: ppp.conf Message-ID: <3C2D7276@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, I've read this page. It's from version 2.2 and seems to be for chap authentication. Erols my ISP does not use chap anymore. I think the documentation for as essential a thing as connecting to an ISP that does not use pap/chap is not good. Thank god for this Linux book by Hofler I have. It's helped me more than anything else. Maybe I should try Debian. I just don't see why this all has to be such a hack. Millions of people use Rcn/starpower/erols, why can't FreeBSd say "Lets have config. for the 20 major ISPs", you update the scripts like ports. Who cares. I'll figure it out this weekend thanks for the assistance >===== Original Message From Scott Corey ===== >This is a link for a step by step howto on ppp. I found it by going to >the FreeBSD home page, looking under "For Newbies" (which is on the left >column) then going into the documentation link. Took three clicks of my >mouse. > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer/index.html > >Scott > > >leegold wrote: >> >> I only see a ppp.conf sample file. I do not see a ppp.options >> file. >> >> I thought ppp.options was used for kernel ppp >> when not using pap/chap. >> >> I am confused since I see about 10 different >> ways and scripts for ppp. I have not found one >> cogent explanantion in any freebsd document. >> For example the handbook say something about >> kernel ppp for a cisco hub(?) >> >> I want to connect to my ISP THAT"S ALL. >> And it's bewildering. FreeBSD is not easy >> for someone with average intelligence like me. >> >> YEs, I will keep hacking until I can connect, >> I will keep hacking untill I can get an X windows >> where I can be even remotely as productive as the GUI >> on win2k. It's all a hack - I still can't find step by step >> documention with technical side bars. >> >> I rarely get anything out of man pages. They seem like >> they are written in another language not english. >> >> Another eg. I try blackbox wm, I get a pitchblack screen >> and a staic task bar of some kind. No usability. I try >> gwm, I get a real color fest here again I'll spend weeks >> hacking it until I get productive. Fonts? I got all the fonts >> again, at least a day figuring the fonts. >> >> ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend >> a couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take me thru >> it line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average intelligence. >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 28 19:10:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2867B37B405 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBT3A1029194 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200112290310.fBT3A1029194@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 6:59:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C8B837B41F for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 06:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO warhawk) (202.1.200.98) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 14:59:23 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Annelise Anderson'" , "'leegold'" Cc: , Subject: RE: ppp.conf Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:59:16 +0500 Message-ID: <001301c19079$66fc5520$62c801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc'ed to doc, rant about ppp docs] *snip ppp.conf rant* > The man page for ppp is detailed but includes a step-by-step > description of what to do. > > Remember that FreeBSD has two different implementations of > the point-to-point protocol, user ppp and kernel ppp. You > use one or the other, not both. User ppp is the most up-to- > date and the one to which the ppp manual page refers (the > other is pppd). > > Also keep in mind that there's dial-up and dial-in. You > want to dial-up your ISP, not set up your computer (right > now) to accept dial-in. * snip* > > ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend a > > couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take > me thru it > > line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average > > intelligence. The man does have a point, I think, maybe we should take the default and papchap sections from ppp.conf.sample, and put it in ppp.conf.sample.for.plain.old.ISP or something of the sort. Speaking from personal experience, trying to construct my own ppp.conf file from the man page/handbook led me to nothing but misery...took the better part of a week before I wised, threw everything into the wind, and just substitued my ISP's phone number and logon info into the papchap section of ppp.conf.sample, and have never looked back. Honestly, I do believe that the docco does make mountains out of molehills. ( This was trying to get 3.1 on the 'net, have not read the new handbook section, but I think the manpage is definitely more useful as a reference than an instructional document. Nothing wring with that in itself, btw) I mean the sections for dial-in and ppp filters is helpful (and I did chase them up later, they are useful,), but I think it's an information overload for a newbie. I wholeheartedly recommend making the ppp.conf sample file the first stop before chasing up anything else. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 13: 0:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29C37B423; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA77833; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Haikal Saadh Cc: "'leegold'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ppp.conf In-Reply-To: <001301c19079$66fc5520$62c801ca@warhawk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Haikal Saadh wrote: > > > ppp-on, ppp-off, what's ppp.conf.sample? Print it out and spend a > > > couple hrs figuring it out - is there a doc. that will take > > me thru it > > > line by line? Wwould be a real help for people of average > > > intelligence. > > The man does have a point, I think, maybe we should take the default and > papchap sections from ppp.conf.sample, and put it in > ppp.conf.sample.for.plain.old.ISP or something of the sort. As installed, there's a ppp.conf in /etc/ppp. All anyone usually needs to do is enter the phone number, username, and password in the papchap: section (and get the device right for the modem). The handbook has a good (but a bit incomplete, I think) "working file" for pppoe. > Speaking from personal experience, trying to construct my own ppp.conf > file from the man page/handbook led me to nothing but misery...took the I don't know why anyone tries to do this; the basics are there. Dialing in is more difficult...and the confusion between dialing out, dialing in, and user vs. kernel implementation. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 15:46:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4E337B405 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:46:25 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Sat, 29 Dec 01 18:46:24 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:46:24 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: no luck w/ppp - ripping out hair has commenced. Message-ID: <3C318120@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can post on questions, but this is a newbie issue in a way too. There should be imo ready made scripts or config instructions avail. for the top 20 isp. what a time saver that would be. I have nothing againts knowing what's going on under the hood and i buy $50 books to that end. Would someone please allow me to email them personally and help me connect to my ISP. My isp uses login authentication NOT pap/chap, and recommends kernel ppp (pppd) for this purpose. All the documention I see for this case cites hacking two files: /etc/ppp/options AND /etc/ppp/chat.script. Note: there is no mention of ppp.conf anywhere for kernel ppp. The lehey book and freebsd unleashed cites to use ppp.conf for user ppp,w/pap/chap ONLY. Unless something about ppp.conf has radically changed that none of my books cite. Please do not mention ppp.conf file. The literature does not indicate it for kernel ppp w/login authentication. So I copied the chat and options directly from Unleashed w/slight mods. per my modem device and isp. I chmoded (750) appropiately to be able to use the /dev and the files as (rwx)root, I am su root ( wheel grouP) as i try this. I do # ppd There's no modem "statup" ie. modem noises - it never gets that far. I get the error message: "Connection Script failed". I have spent two days strait so far w/FreeBSD trying to connect, I would appreciate help. Here's the files: options: /dev/cuaa4 115200 crtscts modem connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat.script" noipdefault defaultroute Note: there's no sbin/chat file on my pc I have no idea what that above connect line's doing, I can't find any explaination (yes I've #man chat) THe chat script is one line but I break it up here. I overwrite my isp# and user,pw w/ones. ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' "" AT OK ATDT1111111 CONNECT "" TIMEOUT 10 ogin:-\\r-ogin: 1111 TIMEOUT 5 sword: 1111 What is wrong? The modem is not even getting "turned on". I can log in fine w. Minicom on cuaa4. I've had to create both options and the chat.script they were not there by default. I'm begining to rip out hair. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 20:45:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (operamail.infinite.com [199.29.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FDE37B405 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:45:52 -0800 (PST) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Sat, 29 Dec 01 23:43:27 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: leegold Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:43:26 -0500 From: leegold To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: ppp finally worked Message-ID: <3C3391AA@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can connect w/pppd. I saw several other examples on the web of options and chat files and kept trying different options that made some kind of "sense" until it worked. Disregard my venting, thanking you for the help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 29 21:10:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [216.187.106.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE6137B417; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 738F47A72; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-12-09 - 2001-12-29 Message-Id: <20011230051002.738F47A72@m20.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:10:02 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 28-Dec : pkgdb - packages database tool more about one of the portupgrade tools http://freebsddiary.org/pkgdb.php?2 26-Dec : an ATI XPERT 128 patch for XFree86-4 I could not find any documentation, so a patch solved it http://freebsddiary.org/xfree86-4.php?2 17-Dec : Make the keyboard work on a headless server (read also about t-shirts!) Sometimes it doesn\'t work. Here\'s what to do! http://freebsddiary.org/headless.php?2 11-Dec : Got ports? Here is THE way to upgrade them! Forget doing your port upgrades by hand! http://freebsddiary.org/portupgrade.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message