From owner-freebsd-ppc Sun Jan 7 20:18:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.atl.bellsouth.net (mail3.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEA937B400; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from matter.net (adsl-20-74-101.asm.bellsouth.net [66.20.74.101]) by mail3.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id XAA07040; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from durkin@localhost) by matter.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f084HrQ00532; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gigantor.matter.net: durkin set sender to durkin+g6tshm@matter.net using -f Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:17:52 -0500 From: Craig Durkin To: Benno Rice Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net>; from Benno Rice on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:25:08AM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:25:08AM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: > > Basically I'd like the FreeBSD/powerpc port to support pretty much anything > with a powerpc in it, within reason. > Amen. The question is, however, is "pretty much anything with a powerpc in it" reliant upon that ppc not being 601/603(e)? :) I understand that various unixy efforts exist for these chips (MkLinux, NetBSD(?)), but is FreeBSD for these processors out of the question? Cheers Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sun Jan 7 20:21:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C627937B400 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A7D670606; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:20:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:20:59 +1100 From: Benno Rice To: Craig Durkin Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010108152058.B75065@rafe.jeamland.net> References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010107231752.A442@matter.net>; from durkin+fbsd@matter.net on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:17:52PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:17:52PM -0500, Craig Durkin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:25:08AM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: > > > > Basically I'd like the FreeBSD/powerpc port to support pretty much anything > > with a powerpc in it, within reason. > > > > Amen. The question is, however, is "pretty much anything with a powerpc in > it" reliant upon that ppc not being 601/603(e)? :) I understand that > various unixy efforts exist for these chips (MkLinux, NetBSD(?)), but is > FreeBSD for these processors out of the question? Depends. I think the 601 is out as far as I can see as it differs enough from the rest of them as to make it awkward. Not sure about the 603/603e. We'll have to see. It all depends on what resources are available to people who can make it work. -- Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 14:25:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5951137B698 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from matter.net (adsl-20-74-101.asm.bellsouth.net [66.20.74.101]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id RAA16000; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from durkin@localhost) by matter.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f08MP8i06527; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gigantor.matter.net: durkin set sender to durkin+g6tyde@matter.net using -f Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:25:08 -0500 From: Craig Durkin To: Matt Johnson Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010108172507.A874@matter.net> References: <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net>; <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Matt Johnson on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:43:39AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:43:39AM -0500, Matt Johnson wrote: > All of the Powermacs with a 601 chip have no Open Firmware and no PCI bus. > MkLinux (which was Apple's internal Linux distro for Macs) did support > these machines, but as far as I know any remnants of MkLinux have long > since vanished. 3rd party Linuxes for the PPC and NetBSD support as far as > I can tell all PowerPCs with Open Firmware and a normal PCI implementation. > I think other than the peripheral hardware (USB, etc.) in the NewWorld > machines, the pre-G3 Macs are structurally very similar to the Newworld > Macs. > I for one would very much like to see FreeBSD for both my Powermac G4 and > my 604e/200 UMAX machine. So then, OF and PCI bus are the deciding factors? I heard that mentioned before on this list, but I didn't know if that was the official scope of the project or not. If that's the case, then the 603(e) is most likely out, cause my PB1400c has a 603e and neither OF nor PCI. By the way, MkLinux support from Apple is pretty dead, and 3rd party support is semi-alive. http://www.mklinux.org has a lot of out-of-date info, but the mailinglists seem to be alive and kernels are created somewhat often. I for one would love to see FreeBSD for your machines as well, but I feel very left out with both of my Macs lacking PCI and OF. :( Cheers Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 14:55:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8EF37B6A1 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B622F6E2B21 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from beyotch.sympatico.ca ([64.230.185.61]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010108214710.ODIY27935.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@beyotch.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:47:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20010108163545.00a9a510@POP6.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1rchg77@POP6.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:47:10 -0500 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org From: Nicolas Quijano Subject: Status of PPC port ?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello there, I'm a Computer Science student, interested in operating systems, their kernels, low-level and systems programming. As I own both an x86 (Athlon) and PPC (Apple, 604e based) desktop computers, as well as an old Think Pad (P133), I am interested in the status of the PPC port of FreeBSD, as I am looking for ways to use my Mac as a server/development machine, since nowadays I use my much more recent desktop PC as my main work machine. I do know that OpenBSD and NetBSD both have PPC releases of their BSD based OSes, but I'll most probably be checking them all out, since I have an ADSL connection to the 'Net, and no download quotas (actually, we have a theoretical 4 gigs/month limit, but it has never been enforced...), it is not a problem to get all flavors of free/open BSDs, including Apple's Darwin. So, if you could provide me with a bit more information on FreeBSD's PPC port status, or pointers to such information, and its availability, I'd be much obliged... Thank you in advance, and a late Happy New Year !!! Sympathically yours, Nicolas Quijano, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 15: 1:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urpower.com (neutron.urpower.com [216.248.44.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6807937B69E for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rory@localhost) by mail.urpower.com (8.10.1/8.8.7) id f08MstS31967 for FreeBSD-PPC@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:54:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:54:55 -0500 From: Rory Arms To: FreeBSD-PPC@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Message-ID: <20010108175455.C30514@urpower.com> References: <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net>; <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> <20010108172507.A874@matter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010108172507.A874@matter.net>; from durkin+fbsd@matter.net on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 05:25:08PM -0500 Organization: URPOWER INC. Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 05:25:08PM -0500, Craig Durkin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:43:39AM -0500, Matt Johnson wrote: > > All of the Powermacs with a 601 chip have no Open Firmware and no PCI bus. > > MkLinux (which was Apple's internal Linux distro for Macs) did support > > these machines, but as far as I know any remnants of MkLinux have long > > since vanished. 3rd party Linuxes for the PPC and NetBSD support as far as > > I can tell all PowerPCs with Open Firmware and a normal PCI implementation. > > I think other than the peripheral hardware (USB, etc.) in the NewWorld > > machines, the pre-G3 Macs are structurally very similar to the Newworld > > Macs. Actually that is not entirely true. Take the PowerMac 7200 for instance, is a PPC-601 with PCI slots. I think the 7300 may have been as well. It also has an early version of OF that is only accessible via a serial console. LinuxPPC, which requires OF+PCI boots fine using a COFF image. The NewWorld PowerMacs have a nicer way of loading the first stage loader than OldWorld macs do. It makes it much easier to write a boot loader for it. All you have to do is write a "CHRP file" that in turn loads the OS. I believe it is basically file with FORTH commands. The biggest difference between the 2 is that in NewWorld the low level "MacOS ROM" (which had been in hardware since the original Macintosh) has been moved to a file in the System Folder of MacOS <10. I'm sure the reason this was done was to comply with MacOS X, which would make no use of it. Hence OSX/Darwin's requirements of a "G3" or better. > > I for one would very much like to see FreeBSD for both my Powermac G4 and > > my 604e/200 UMAX machine. I would too. I think a NewWorld machine would be an ideal system for FreeBSD. Even though hardware specs are tough to get, it sounds like a lot of other projects have been able save a lot of time by looking at Apple's Open Source projects, ie. MkLinux, and Darwin. -rory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 15:12:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from europa.damnsw.net (dt0b0n79.maine.rr.com [24.95.8.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03F437B6A4 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.95.8.9] (deimos.damnsw.net [24.95.8.9]) by europa.damnsw.net (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f08NCBC59410 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:12:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@damnsw.net) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010108175455.C30514@urpower.com> References: <20010108172507.A874@matter.net>; from durkin+fbsd@matter.net on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 05:25:08PM -0500 <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net>; <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> <20010108172507.A874@matter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:12:12 -0500 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Matt Johnson Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> > I for one would very much like to see FreeBSD for both my Powermac G4 and >> > my 604e/200 UMAX machine. > >I would too. I think a NewWorld machine would be an ideal system for >FreeBSD. >Even though hardware specs are tough to get, it sounds like a lot of other >projects have been able save a lot of time by looking at Apple's Open Source >projects, ie. MkLinux, and Darwin. > >-rory I'm not really up on the deal with FreeBSD and it's policy on borrowing code from NetBSD/OpenBSD...but they do have working bootable PowerPC Mac ports (which mostly focus on the G3 and up, but it does claim to support PCI based 604/604e Macs as well). They seem to have drivers for most of the core hardware (IDE controller, USB keyboards and mice, CD/DVD drive, ethernet, etc.) which could probably be used at least as guides for the people writing the device driver code for the FBSD/ppc port. I definitely think you should support Macs. As of now there exist plenty of people like me (people who own consumer-grade PowerPC Macs and like using Unix for a home system and whatnot) would definitely consider using such a port. And seeing as how the NewWorld Macs appear to be fairly easy to get booting, it would be very good to see support for them in addition to embedded machines and non-Mac PowerPC based machines (CHRP, PReP, etc., does any still use those types of thing? And what OS is their "native? OS?) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 15:16: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from salzburg-online.at (mail.salzburg-online.at [195.70.236.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6F137B401 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from Powermac (stargate-39-233.salzburg-online.at [213.153.39.233]) by salzburg-online.at (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f08NFh316673 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:15:43 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:15:37 +0100 Reply-To: julian.mayer@sbg.at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.337) From: Julian Mayer To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v337) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The biggest difference between the 2 is that in NewWorld the low level = "MacOS=20 > ROM" (which had been in hardware since the original Macintosh) has = been moved=20 > to a file in the System Folder of MacOS <10. I'm sure the reason this = was done=20 > was to comply with MacOS X, which would make no use of it. Hence = OSX/Darwin's=20 > requirements of a "G3" or better.=20 Actually, compatible systems for Darwin include: =0D=0D* Power = Macintosh 7300, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600 =0D* Power Macintosh = G3 =0D* PowerBook G3 (Wall Street) =0D* Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & = White) =0D* Power Macintosh G4 =0D* PowerBook G3 (bronze keyboard) =0D= * iBook =0D* iMac=20 The MacOSX/Darwin Bootloader has been pushed to the CVS repository = recently and supports some Old and all New World Machines (mainly all = 601/603 machines are unsupported). "It understands loading kernels from HFS+, UFS, TFTP and even EXT2. It = can load kernels in Mach-O and ELF format." Regards, Julian= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 17: 8:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE0137B400 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4FAF270606; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:07:47 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:07:47 +1100 From: Benno Rice To: Matt Johnson Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Message-ID: <20010109120747.D84860@rafe.jeamland.net> References: <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net>; <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> <20010107231752.A442@matter.net> <20010108172507.A874@matter.net> <20010108175455.C30514@urpower.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@damnsw.net on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 06:12:12PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 06:12:12PM -0500, Matt Johnson wrote: > > > > >> > I for one would very much like to see FreeBSD for both my Powermac G4 and > >> > my 604e/200 UMAX machine. > > > >I would too. I think a NewWorld machine would be an ideal system for > >FreeBSD. > >Even though hardware specs are tough to get, it sounds like a lot of other > >projects have been able save a lot of time by looking at Apple's Open Source > >projects, ie. MkLinux, and Darwin. > > > >-rory > > > I'm not really up on the deal with FreeBSD and it's policy on borrowing > code from NetBSD/OpenBSD...but they do have working bootable PowerPC Mac > ports (which mostly focus on the G3 and up, but it does claim to support > PCI based 604/604e Macs as well). They seem to have drivers for most of > the core hardware (IDE controller, USB keyboards and mice, CD/DVD drive, > ethernet, etc.) which could probably be used at least as guides for the > people writing the device driver code for the FBSD/ppc port. And I plan to do that, when I get to that point. FYI: You can now see what I'm up to at: http://people.freebsd.org/~benno/ > I definitely think you should support Macs. As of now there exist plenty > of people like me (people who own consumer-grade PowerPC Macs and like > using Unix for a home system and whatnot) would definitely consider using > such a port. As I've previously stated, my aim in regards my involvement in the PowerPC port is to support as much as I can. I'm currently getting it up and running on my iMac (G3), but then I'd like to go both towards the embedded chips (Motorola's Sandpoint eval units and the like) and towards the higher end (Apple's dual-G4 box and possibly even towards IBM's RS/6k boxes if I can get my hands on them). Note that all of this requires access to the hardware to make sure it all works. I've got people (thanks keichii =)) who are trying to convince Motorola that it's in their interests to at least loan us a Sandpoint unit, but if anyone who has contacts with any groups who could give us access to such hardware, and that includes the Apple stuff, could get in contact with me it would be hugely appreciated. -- Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 17:11:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9812637B400 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD1AF5751E; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:12:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:12:34 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Message-ID: <20010108191234.A88168@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at>; from julian.mayer@sbg.at on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 12:15:37AM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [To all on this thread, keep your line length to 72 letters please. :) ] On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 12:15:37AM +0100, Julian Mayer scribbled: | > The biggest difference between the 2 is that in NewWorld the low level "MacOS | > ROM" (which had been in hardware since the original Macintosh) has been moved | > to a file in the System Folder of MacOS <10. I'm sure the reason this was done | > was to comply with MacOS X, which would make no use of it. Hence OSX/Darwin's | > requirements of a "G3" or better. | | Actually, compatible systems for Darwin include: * Power Macintosh 7300, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500, 9600 * Power Macintosh G3 * PowerBook G3 (Wall Street) * Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White) * Power Macintosh G4 * PowerBook G3 (bronze keyboard) * iBook * iMac | | The MacOSX/Darwin Bootloader has been pushed to the CVS repository recently and supports some Old and all New World Machines (mainly all 601/603 machines are unsupported). | "It understands loading kernels from HFS+, UFS, TFTP and even EXT2. It can load kernels in Mach-O and ELF format." All of the people interested and contributing know about MkLinux / Darwin / Linux/PPC / NetBSD. I think that we will support whatever is at hand with the developers. There is no need for constant bickering over what should be supported. (Hint hint, bikeshed stops here. :-) ) For me, personally, I would like to support at least the G3/G4 and the _newer_ embedded platforms, especially PPC8420. This means that your junk from the garage would not be (at least speaking for myself) a great priority. We have enough work as is, and more outcry for more support won't change the fact that so few people are contributing. Besides, we are so far from PCI discussions....Gotta be able to boot to be able to talk PCI.... Michael -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 8 18:33:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE90437B402 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15676 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv3.apple.com (scv3.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0800 Received: from shakti (shakti.apple.com [17.202.42.184]) by scv3.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15234 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101090233.SAA15234@scv3.apple.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:39 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.357) From: Umesh Vaishampayan To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v357) In-Reply-To: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at> Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, January 8, 2001, at 03:15 PM, Julian Mayer wrote: > The MacOSX/Darwin Bootloader has been pushed to the CVS repository > recently and supports some Old and all New World Machines (mainly all 601/ > 603 machines are unsupported). > "It understands loading kernels from HFS+, UFS, TFTP and even EXT2. It > can load kernels in Mach-O and ELF format." Note that ELF format loading in BootX is not tested as extensively as Mach-O loading. Also Apple's UFS implementation is slightly different [1K directory blocks, big-endian on disk meta-data]. --Umesh Umesh Vaishampayan Apple Computer, Inc. MacOS X, kernel group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 9 12:15: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6F037B401 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (Ipitythefoolthattrustsident@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29314; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f09KEiv78687; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:14:44 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Message-ID: <20010109121444.B77750@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at> <20010108191234.A88168@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010108191234.A88168@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:12:34PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:12:34PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > I think that we will support whatever is at hand with the developers. > There is no need for constant bickering over what should be supported. > (Hint hint, bikeshed stops here. :-) ) To some degree there is -- maintainability and cleanliness of code. Also I will not support a toolchain that produces anything other than ELF. So if a particular Mac model needs a COFF kernel, I most likely won't help in making that happen. > For me, personally, I would like to support at least the G3/G4 and > the _newer_ embedded platforms, especially PPC8420. > This means that your junk from the garage would not be > (at least speaking for myself) a great priority. 100% agreed. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 9 13:19:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2772D37B69B for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DC19657525; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:18:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:18:58 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi & hardware support Message-ID: <20010109151858.A1597@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200101082315.f08NFh316673@salzburg-online.at> <20010108191234.A88168@peorth.iteration.net> <20010109121444.B77750@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010109121444.B77750@dragon.nuxi.com>; from TrimYourCc@NUXI.com on Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 12:14:44PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 12:14:44PM -0800, David O'Brien scribbled: | On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:12:34PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: | > I think that we will support whatever is at hand with the developers. | > There is no need for constant bickering over what should be supported. | > (Hint hint, bikeshed stops here. :-) ) | | To some degree there is -- maintainability and cleanliness of code. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Right. I thought that was implicit in FreeBSD work bearing the FreeBSD name. :) | Also I will not support a toolchain that produces anything other than | ELF. So if a particular Mac model needs a COFF kernel, I most likely | won't help in making that happen. agreed. Maintaining only ELF keeps the trouble and porting difficulty to a minimum. [snip parts that we both agree on.] -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message