From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 9 20:58:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0712D37B401; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A3wbs00656; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:58:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200109100358.f8A3wbs00656@spoon.beta.com> To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.4-RC4 sysinstall bumps... Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:58:36 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok. Couple of quick issues that are cosmetic over functional, but they'll probably cause some confusion. 1.) In the system console configuration menu, you can't pick two items. So, basically, you can't set the screen saver AND the timeout without going down in to that menu twice. Thats kind of lame. 2.) In the partition menus and label menus, the disks are listed backwards. (ie - ad1 before ad0). This will bite you if you're not paying attention, and assume that the first disk is the boot disk, and put your boot partition there. This will probably cause a bunch of mail to -questions along the lines of "I installed, but why won't it boot?". 3.) Someone should run an intuitiveness check through the menus. In particular, the partition menu is bad. Once you partition the disks, the only way out is to select "Cancel". "Cancel" in my mind means (at worst) to abort the installation, and at best, to abort the partitioning. In addition, the text in the menu, "Use [TAB] to get to the buttons and leave this menu" don't exactly tell you which button is for getting out. I see this generating a lot of mail to -questions along the lines of "I partitioned my disk, but how do I get out and continue the install?". I realize these are pretty simply issues, but if you scare a novice user, or screw up someone who is in a hurry, you'll feel it. Even the last set of changes to sysinstall that moved menus, changed keystrokes, and altered defaults screwed me up for a couple of months, and I was doing > 10 installs a day. You get in to a rhythm of TAB, TAB, downarrow, enter, space, downarrow, tab, value, x,x,x.... (This reminds me of YellowBeard's "Crawl, Crawl, Roll, Stagger, Roll..., but I digress)... Otherwise, once installed, it looks pretty healthy, although I haven't played with vinum or sound yet ;) -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 9 21: 5:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF79637B403; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A45Bs00710; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:05:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200109100405.f8A45Bs00710@spoon.beta.com> To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone interested in working on a test harness? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:05:11 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just freed up my last 'committed' project, and I've got some spare cycles to burn. I've been thinking about how much goes untested in a release, and have been thinking about how to put together a test harness to check as many things as possible. Thats got me thinking (again) about a test harness, and a test plan. I'm thinking that the harness can be fairly simple, basically a configuration engine to run external binaries, and basically keep a running tally of passed, failed, skipped, and 'warning' tests. The test themselves would perform some little bit of work, and spew back an exit code that would put the test in to one of the four above bins. I'm thinking code for things like filesystems (reading/writing), mmap, basic networking (tcp/udp, IPv4 + 6), etc. would base a good base set. If there was a good tool for thrashing disks, for instance, it could be used in multiple ways... regular UFS, soft updates, vinum volumes, etc. The test plan could then basically describe how to set up a 'test system', and run the various tests on it. People lacking hardware could run a subset of the tests that were appropriate. Anyhow, I'm looking for anyone who would be willing to do some work in this area. Obviously, as I'm starting, its pretty open right now to suggestions/help. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Sep 14 0:39:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0367937B413; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 0A7EE4B6A6; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:39:20 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.4 RC5 (x86) Now Available Message-ID: <20010914003920.Z9233@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XaUbO9McV5wPQijU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --XaUbO9McV5wPQijU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This should be the last release candidate before the final release, so please test thoroughly. ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC5/ (or your local mirror) At this late stage in the game, it might be more effective if people can test using network installs, rather than waiting to download an ISO. 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