From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 0:51:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B745537B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hmc.edu (giblet.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.60.100]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAP8pd821371 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:51:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C00B11B.1050209@hmc.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:51:39 -0800 From: John McCullough User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: cardbus help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd like to get card bus working, however under 5.0-current my pcmcia controller is failing to load with the message: pccbb0: at device 15.0 on pci2 pcib2: device pccbb0 requested unsupported memory randge 0x10000000-0xffffffff (decoding 0xf4000000-0xfbffffff, 0xfff00000-0xfffff) pccbb0: Could not grab register memory any insight? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 0:59:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2944937B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAP8xZn01853 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:59:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27882 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:59:34 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3559 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Nov 2001 08:59:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:59:32 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: BSD Freak Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Syncing my souce with 4.4-RELEASE not 4-STABLE Message-ID: <20011125085932.GA3542@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: BSD Freak , FreeBSD Questions References: <78e5c79772.7977278e5c@mbox.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <78e5c79772.7977278e5c@mbox.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 04:35:51PM +1100, BSD Freak wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I manage several FreeBSD boxes remotely. They are in a difficult to > get to location. The currently run 4.3-RELEASE and I would like to > upgrade them to 4.4-RELEASE (not 4.4-STABLE). I beleive this can be > sone by syncing my source tree and doing a 'build world' . > > Thus far I have only seen instructions on syncing a source tree with > either -CURRENT or -STABLE not -RELEASE. Anyone got an url or manpage > that will give me instructions on updating my source to 4.4-RELEASE > and then 'build world' ..... That is easy. Just follow the instructions for upgrading to -STABLE except that the tag specified for cvsup when getting the source should be RELENG_4_4_0_RELEASE (for 4.4-RELEASE) instead of RELENG_4 (for 4-STABLE.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 1:21:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bps.jodocus.org (c115139.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.115.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508B437B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joost@localhost) by bps.jodocus.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAP9LFs02524; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joost) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:14 +0100 From: Joost Bekkers To: Chuck Root Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW/VLAN Message-ID: <20011125102114.A2493@bps.jodocus.org> References: <3BFF5C8C.1CC4A6FF@mauibuilt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3BFF5C8C.1CC4A6FF@mauibuilt.com>; from puga@mauibuilt.com on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 10:38:36PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 10:38:36PM -1000, Chuck Root wrote: > I am trying to use a freebsd box with 2 fxp NIC's in it as a firewall > between 2 points on a 802.1q tagged vlan trunk. > > I am bridging the interfaces using the BRIDGING option in the kernel and > I am using ipfw to filter pakets. > > The bridge and ipfw work fine with normal pakets but the ones with > 802.1q tages slip right on by. > > is there any way to do this? > > I have tried bridging the vlans them selfs with no luck. > The reason why 802.1q packets don't get filtered is this: The bridge code only sends ip packets through the firewall, all others (802.1q;ipx;arp;ipv6;....) will be passed no matter what. The reason why you can't bridge the vlan interfaces is because bridging only works on ethernet interfaces. At this point there is nothing you can do about it. (aside from changing the kernel code) -- greetz Joost joost@jodocus.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 2:29:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5AE37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75D8A66B27; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:29:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:29:13 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tom Kersten Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem building custom KERNEL..... Message-ID: <20011125022913.A87083@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011125050557.52660.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011125050557.52660.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com>; from tomkersten98@yahoo.com on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 09:05:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 09:05:57PM -0800, Tom Kersten wrote: > Hello, >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am trying to build a custom kernel and have run into > an error when I try to run 'make'. The problem seems > to occur when it is trying to work with "umass.o". > This is the first error that the debug kicks out: >=20 > "umass.o: In function 'umass_cam_attach_sim':=20 >=20 > This is then followed by what appears to be numerous > attempts to to something with umass.c(*)...all > attempts are return with the error "undefined error > to' + some file name. I have attached my new kernel > config file. If you need more information please let > me know. FAQ; this question has been asked and answered about a million times. Kris --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AMf4Wry0BWjoQKURAjuDAJ4/xNb3Ms86REv3cwRyEPtawWJCqACeKyV/ 83DjQKF+iL3WWKfjnFRb0TM= =Wwj3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 2:41:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9396537B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED293D43 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:41:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:41:29 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now running gv-3.5.8. make install works. However when trying to view a postscript file I get the following error message from the gv X binary: GhostScript Messages /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpng.so.4" not found Error: Postscript interpreter failed in main window. I note that I have the port png-1.2.0 (Library for manipulating PNG images) installed and the ports packing list shows that it provides /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5, not ".4". As I don't have a /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.4 library I am unsure why gv has tried to link against this version, as consequently doesn't work, when if it linked against libpng.so.5 everything would be working fine. I also note that ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/gv doesn't depend on the library directly, so perhaps the problem is that one of the libraries that it links against in turns requires libpng.so.4 [sjmudd@unicorn postfix-temp]$ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/gv /usr/X11R6/bin/gv: libm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libm.so.2 (0x2809d000) libXaw3d.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7 (0x280b9000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x2810c000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x28121000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x2816b000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x28174000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x2818a000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x28198000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x281a6000) libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x28280000) libXThrStub.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXThrStub.so.6 (0x28319000) How can I tell which library is out of date (if this is the case) and rebuild it accordingly? Is this something I should reports to freebsd-ports or am I doing something wrong somewhere? Thanks for any pointers. Regards, Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 3: 1:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0540037B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.177.56]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011125110149.KVNN20714.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:01:49 -0500 Received: from anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04561A1F; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:01:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C00CF50.21B0F04B@anarcat.dyndns.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:00:32 -0500 From: The Anarcat X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: fr-CA,fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: setantae Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: can't do reverse dns with /etc/hosts References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <20011115012039.GA61093@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123172728.02c61518@mail.enterit.com> <20011124103734.GB386@irrelevant.org> <3BFFF17E.D2E2F7C1@anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011124214006.GA943@rhadamanth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunatly, traceroute to 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets traceroute: sendto: Permission denied 1 traceroute: wrote 10.0.0.1 40 chars, ret=-1 traceroute makes a lookup only if it receives a reply: traceroute to 10.0.0.2 (10.0.0.2), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 foo (10.0.0.2) 2.634 ms 4.243 ms 4.105 ms Good to know, though... A. setantae wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:14:06PM -0500, John Smith wrote: > > > > > > Simon Dick wrote: > > > > > > I guess my method of just using ping and seeing what IP it tries > > > to ping won't be suitable for this? :) > > > > no because I want to test reverse DNS. ping doesn't lookup the name of a > > given address, IIRC. > > Ok, how about traceroute then ? > > Ceri > > -- > keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 3:43:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFD837B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.154.118]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011125114330.XVCR18045.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:43:30 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAPBhSn17576; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:43:28 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11124; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:42:55 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:42:54 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Nils Holland Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp collecting IP addresses... Message-ID: <20011125114254.F273@localhost> References: <20011125002040.K33390-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20011125002040.K33390-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net>; from nils@tisys.org on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 12:29:53AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 12:29:53AM +0100, Nils Holland wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been using (user) ppp on FreeBSD (now 4.4-STABLE) for years on one > of my boxes in order to provide on-demans Internet access to my other > machines (using the -auto and -nat options). However, today I noticed > something strange, which doesn't look entirely normal to be, but has also > never caused problems - at least not that I know. Here's what I'm talking > about: > > When I was routinely changing the configuration of the Ethernet interface > on my ppp-enabled machine, I entered "ifconfig" and saw something like > that: Try adding 'iface clear' to your ppp.linkdown file... seems to do the trick for me. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 3:59:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E13837B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:59:10 -0800 Received: from 202.98.16.2 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:59:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.98.16.2] From: "Liu Siwei" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hi, Can you tell me why? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:59:09 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2001 11:59:10.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[979CB670:01C175A8] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm a FreeBSD user. My system is FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE. I have installed xcin2.5.2.3. I use zh_CN.EUC locale, in my .cshrc I set: setenv LANG zh_CN.EUC setenv LC_ALL zh_CN.EUC setenv XMODIFIERS @im=xcin-zh_CN.EUC My desktop Environment is gnome1.4, I can run xcin2.5 proper. But I can't switch input mode to input any Chinese Word!? why? why? Best Regard. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 4: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from spaceport.skyforge.net (spaceport.skyforge.net [217.204.199.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6014737B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubbles (bubbles.skyforge.net [217.204.199.165]) by spaceport.skyforge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAPC1ka00557; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:01:47 GMT (envelope-from davidr@skyforge.net) Message-ID: <001201c175a8$fb138300$a5c7ccd9@skyforge.net> From: "David Richards" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15360.16939.977619.120550@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: cannot burn a CD with burncd Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:01:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "David Richards" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am having the same problem as well. I was told to write a little sector before, but i cant even do that. david ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Meyer" To: "Nils Holland" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: cannot burn a CD with burncd > Nils Holland types: > > Having said that, I'd like to add the following: Exactly this very > > question where people try to burn "raw", i.e. non-ISOFS'ed files to a CD > > and then wonder why their CD doesn't work seems to turn up here at least > > once a week and at the most once per day. I'm currently not that > > informed about what's actually in the handbook, but could it be that the > > usage of burncd, as well as the need to create iso files before burning, > > is not really explained there and should be added? Or, is this question in > > the FAQ? It surely belongs there, as I have seen only very few questions > > being asked more often than this one. > > Is looking in the handbook a major pain or something? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html > >. > > Of course, that doesn't deal with this specific problem with > burncd. If you feel that that belongs in the FAQ, feel free to submit > a PR to add it. > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 4:14: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D1E37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E78DB66B27; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:13:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 04:13:57 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Simon J Mudd Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011125041357.A88473@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sjmudd@pobox.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not=20 > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > running gv-3.5.8. Did you update your ports collection completely? The only reason it would still be looking for an old version of libpng is you have an old gv port. Kris --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AOCFWry0BWjoQKURAvbYAKDs3n9lcJqUSMdVn/KqlLlnDscM3ACfdRJI UEbWGx79Pr1RCF8Q4BE/1HU= =phMF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 5:13: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ash25.adelaide.on.net (mail.internode.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C989C37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from there ([150.101.146.30]) by internode.on.net (PMDF V6.0-24 #37831) with SMTP id <01KB4ZVFBOSM00616O@internode.on.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:15:54 +1030 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:41 +1030 From: Ian Moore Subject: x11-4.1 and anti-aliased fonts (again) To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-id: <01KB4ZVFJIEG00616O@internode.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've read all the posts I can find on this subject, but can't find anything that helps. Does anyone actually have anti-aliasing working & if so, how did you do it? Cheers, Ian PS Well done to those responsible for the new installation stuff in the handbook - it's excellent (except the anti-aliasing bit which doesn't appear to work :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 5:13: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ash25.adelaide.on.net (mail.internode.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB83B37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from there ([150.101.146.30]) by internode.on.net (PMDF V6.0-24 #37831) with SMTP id <01KB4ZVFBOSM00616O@internode.on.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:15:56 +1030 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:15:46 +1030 From: Ian Moore Subject: x11-4.1 and anti-aliased fonts (again) To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-id: <01KB4ZVGTFC000616O@internode.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've read all the posts I can find on this subject, but can't find anything that helps. Does anyone actually have anti-aliasing working & if so, how did you do it? Cheers, Ian PS Well done to those responsible for the new installation stuff in the handbook - it's excellent (except the anti-aliasing bit which doesn't appear to work :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 5:13:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ash25.adelaide.on.net (mail.internode.on.net [203.16.214.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C943037B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from there ([150.101.146.30]) by internode.on.net (PMDF V6.0-24 #37831) with SMTP id <01KB4ZVFBOSM00616O@internode.on.net> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:15:55 +1030 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:15:26 +1030 From: Ian Moore Subject: x11-4.1 and anti-aliased fonts (again) To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-id: <01KB4ZVG7EB000616O@internode.on.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've read all the posts I can find on this subject, but can't find anything that helps. Does anyone actually have anti-aliasing working & if so, how did you do it? Cheers, Ian PS Well done to those responsible for the new installation stuff in the handbook - it's excellent (except the anti-aliasing bit which doesn't appear to work :-) ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 5:53:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0607537B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08263D4E; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:53:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:53:18 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <20011125041357.A88473@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Kris, Thanks for your reply. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not > > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > > running gv-3.5.8. > > Did you update your ports collection completely? The only reason it > would still be looking for an old version of libpng is you have an old > gv port. Yes, the "current ports collection" also uses gv 3.5.8. My guess is the problem is depenency related but this information isnt' shown in the port. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 6: 1:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1692F37B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0928A2B775; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:01:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AF91231D; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:00:24 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:00:24 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Simon J Mudd Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011126010024.D579@k7.mavetju.org> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Simon J Mudd , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sjmudd@pobox.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > running gv-3.5.8. > > make install works. > > However when trying to view a postscript file I get the following error > message from the gv X binary: > > GhostScript Messages > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpng.so.4" not found > > Error: Postscript interpreter failed in main window. > > I note that I have the port png-1.2.0 (Library for manipulating PNG > images) installed and the ports packing list shows that it provides > /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5, not ".4". Please install pkg_tree and run it through less. Then search for png and you'll see the ports which are still depending on the old png-port. If you re-install them (make, make deinstall and make install) they'll know to use libpng.so.5 instead of libpng.so.4. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 6: 3:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEF537B41C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 167zsw-0006ac-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:03:54 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id B4F5D1105; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:03:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:03:53 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: x11-4.1 and anti-aliased fonts (again) Message-ID: <20011125150353.A1491@raggedclown.net> References: <01KB4ZVGTFC000616O@internode.on.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01KB4ZVGTFC000616O@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:15:46PM +1030, Ian Moore wrote: > Hello, > I've read all the posts I can find on this subject, but can't find anything > that helps. Does anyone actually have anti-aliasing working & if so, how did > you do it? > Cheers, > Ian > > PS Well done to those responsible for the new installation stuff in the > handbook - it's excellent (except the anti-aliasing bit which doesn't appear > to work :-) ) > Mmm. 3 copies of your message. Even reading the same message 3 times didn't help me come up with an answer for you :( -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 6:29: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A3C37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1675566B27; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:28:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:28:59 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Simon J Mudd Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011125062859.A89395@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011125041357.A88473@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sjmudd@pobox.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:53:18PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:53:18PM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > Hi Kris, >=20 > Thanks for your reply. >=20 > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > > > Hello, > > >=20 > > > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not=20 > > > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > > > running gv-3.5.8. > >=20 > > Did you update your ports collection completely? The only reason it > > would still be looking for an old version of libpng is you have an old > > gv port. >=20 > Yes, the "current ports collection" also uses gv 3.5.8. >=20 > My guess is the problem is depenency related but this information=20 > isnt' shown in the port. Yes - in fact, gv doesn't even link against libpng, so I'm not sure what's going on with your binary. Kris --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AQAqWry0BWjoQKURAkNQAKD1e0FP0vFgtzMWZ3ZGskFa3rKGYACePtnw HtGEjGQOv9/azC0/gTCmfgg= =aydx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qDbXVdCdHGoSgWSk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 6:40:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BECE37B41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC503D4E; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:40:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:40:21 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <20011125062859.A89395@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Yes - in fact, gv doesn't even link against libpng, so I'm not sure > what's going on with your binary. Well I assure you that the gv X windows appears with the error message I indicated in an earlier message. My "guess" is that one of the libraries that gv uses depends in turn on libpng. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 6:53:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D884137B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99FB3D43 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:53:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:53:11 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <20011126010024.D579@k7.mavetju.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > Please install pkg_tree and run it through less. Then search for > png and you'll see the ports which are still depending on the old > png-port. If you re-install them (make, make deinstall and make > install) they'll know to use libpng.so.5 instead of libpng.so.4. Hi Edwin, Thanks, this tool is quite useful. AFAIKS I have several packages on my system which depend on png-1.0.11, which aren't now installed. I guess I'm doing to have to update these packages too. However I have several duplicate packages installed, amongst them: kdelibs-2.1.1 Libraries for KDE2 kdelibs-2.2_3 Libraries for KDE2 I've in the past found that installing or upgrading ports doesn't tidily remove the previously installed ports and can cause all sorts of problems. In cases where the port's configuration files are important (a web o mail server for example), won't the make deinstall remove all these configuration files, thus losing vital information? While the port system works quite well, I've found it rather lacking regarding dependency checking, upgrade procedures and son compared to other packaging mechanisms, of which rpm comes to mind as being the one I'm most familiar with. The fact that the ports allow me to get into the situation I'm in is really asking for trouble later down the road as I'm seeing now. Is this a valid criticism? (No, I'm not trying to start up a flame war - I like FreeBSD, but haven't migrated over completely from a rpm linux distribution partly because I don't feel the package management is good enough yet. That or the documentation is not clear enough for someone like myself used to other environments.) Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 7:24: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from work.fantomas.sk (work.fantomas.sk [195.168.3.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A0937B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 07:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uhlar@localhost) by work.fantomas.sk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24526 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:23:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:23:53 +0100 From: "Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ipfirewall optimalizations Message-ID: <20011125162353.A24468@fantomas.sk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Echelon: nuclear bomb plane crash terrorist attack djihad spy echelon sucks Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am just setting quite complicated firewall using ipfw; I want to restrict some tcp and udp services to accept only on some local IP's and only from some ip ranges. I'd like to know if it's good idea to 'optimize' it by jumping between rules this way: 100 skipto 1000 tcp from any to any {port1} in 200 skipto 2000 tcp from any to any {port2} in 999 allow ip from any to any 1000 skipto 10000 tcp from any to {local_ip_1} 1001 deny ip from any to any 2000 skipto 20000 tcp from any to {local_ip_2} 2001 deny ip from any to any 10000 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to any 10001 allow ip from {ip_range_2} to any 10002 deny ip from any to any 20000 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to any 20001 allow ip from {ip_range_2} to any 20002 deny ip from any to any Is jumping between rules fast enough? Is it better to do the jumping then try put all checks into one rule like this? 1000 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to {local_ip_1} {port1} in 1001 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to {local_ip_1} {port1} in 1002 deny ip from any to any {port1} in 2000 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to {local_ip_1} {port1} in 2001 allow ip from {ip_range_1} to {local_ip_1} {port1} in 2002 deny ip from any to any {port1} in btw I have much more rules. -- Matus "fantomas" Uhlar, uhlar@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I don't wish to receive spam to this address. Varovanie: Nezelam si na tuto adresu dostavat akukolvek reklamnu postu. "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8: 9: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D152D37B41B; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAPG8oG00299; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:08:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" , "FreeBSD SCSI" Subject: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:08:50 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I've been sifting through the handbook and the Web and some books, looking for a procedure that would allow me to install my spare DDS drive on the system, and I haven't found out how to do it, so I'll ask here. I have just attached an HP 6000e external DDS drive (C1533A) as the one and only device on an Adaptec 2930W SCSI adapter that was already present when I installed FreeBSD (although it had nothing attached to it at the time). FreeBSD appears to be aware of the controller, but not of the drive. The SCSI BIOS on the adapter card sees the tape drive and recognizes it. All I have to do, it seems, is figure out how to persuade FreeBSD to see this drive. I assume I have to install a driver or enable something, but how? I didn't see any sign of a sa0 or nsa0 device in the kernel configuration file. What do I have to change or add? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8:13: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FD337B429 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAPGCWV48964; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:12:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:12:32 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Message-ID: <20011125171232.A48911@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:08:50PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:08:50PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Please don't crosspost camcontrol devlist will tell you what the FreeBSD kernel sees as far as SCSI devices. You want to include the 'sa' device for sequential access aka SCSI tape devices Wilko > Well, I've been sifting through the handbook and the Web and some books, looking > for a procedure that would allow me to install my spare DDS drive on the system, > and I haven't found out how to do it, so I'll ask here. > > I have just attached an HP 6000e external DDS drive (C1533A) as the one and only > device on an Adaptec 2930W SCSI adapter that was already present when I > installed FreeBSD (although it had nothing attached to it at the time). FreeBSD > appears to be aware of the controller, but not of the drive. The SCSI BIOS on > the adapter card sees the tape drive and recognizes it. All I have to do, it > seems, is figure out how to persuade FreeBSD to see this drive. I assume I have > to install a driver or enable something, but how? I didn't see any sign of a > sa0 or nsa0 device in the kernel configuration file. What do I have to change > or add? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8:24:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [216.33.66.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907A537B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 6052A81D2D; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:24:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:24:39 -0600 From: Alfred Perlstein To: we'uns Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Running FreeBSD on older machines (was: Re: size) Message-ID: <20011125102439.B13393@elvis.mu.org> References: <001a01c175cb$59ccf620$6401a8c0@office> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001a01c175cb$59ccf620$6401a8c0@office>; from mpj900@optonline.net on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:07:58AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Welcome aboard Paul. * we'uns [011125 10:07] wrote: > Greetings. I got this email address out of the FreeBSD Newsletter, > issue#1. I'm not sure if you're the right guys to address such a > query to so if this seems out of place I apologize, but perhaps > you can direct it to the right folks. The most appropriate list for such questions is 'questions@freebsd.org' this list deals more with people working on FreeBSD development. You also probably want to set your mailer to wrap lines at 70 characters. > I've got an old P1 135 (I think, may be 125, can't remember), > 1.7G HD, 32M RAM...in short, a dinosaur. I want to experiment with > FreeBSD and would like to do so on a machine that is non-critical > so I have time to learn it without being under the gun. I was > reading in the newsletter that Dave Filo was using BSD on an old > (probably wasn't old back in '97, haha!) P100, 32M RAM machine and > that the release number for BSD then was 2.2 STABLE (what is > "stable", or was that an aside by the author?). I've seen FreeBSD > releases in the somewhat recent past at 3.4 I believe, and it has > me wondering: will an older machine like mine will be large enough > to handle the newer releases? FreeBSD should run ok on the older machine that you mention. You haven't given too many specs, but if it's a plain-jane 100mhz Pentium it should work fine. Have a look at this page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html it should give you a jumpstart on installing over the net, if you want media check out: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html You want to get version 4.4 of FreeBSD, that is the most recent 'stable' version. And yes, we do call it 'stable', the reason is that we do development mostly on a newer version of FreeBSD, when that version (5.0) becomes ready it becomes the 'stable' version and only bugfixes will go into it. > Thanks much for taking time out to consider this email. 'Hope > you guys had a great Thanksgiving and will have a great holiday > season. Same to you, have a great holiday. -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' http://www.morons.org/rants/gpl-harmful.php3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8:25: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E76B37B420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAPGOTG00347; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:24:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <001501c175cd$abeebd60$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Wilko Bulte" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011125171232.A48911@freebie.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:24:23 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks! It does indeed see the tape drive, and says freebie# camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,sa0) Now, there are already two lines for something similar in my kernel configuration file: device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) So something already seems to be defined. Given this, what do I have to add so that the device becomes configured (i.e., so that I can manipulate it with an mt command and use it for the dump command)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilko Bulte" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 17:12 Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:08:50PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Please don't crosspost > > camcontrol devlist will tell you what the FreeBSD kernel sees as far > as SCSI devices. > > You want to include the 'sa' device for sequential access aka SCSI tape > devices > > Wilko > > > Well, I've been sifting through the handbook and the Web and some books, looking > > for a procedure that would allow me to install my spare DDS drive on the system, > > and I haven't found out how to do it, so I'll ask here. > > > > I have just attached an HP 6000e external DDS drive (C1533A) as the one and only > > device on an Adaptec 2930W SCSI adapter that was already present when I > > installed FreeBSD (although it had nothing attached to it at the time). FreeBSD > > appears to be aware of the controller, but not of the drive. The SCSI BIOS on > > the adapter card sees the tape drive and recognizes it. All I have to do, it > > seems, is figure out how to persuade FreeBSD to see this drive. I assume I have > > to install a driver or enable something, but how? I didn't see any sign of a > > sa0 or nsa0 device in the kernel configuration file. What do I have to change > > or add? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > ---end of quoted text--- > > -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8:26:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29B0737B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO cheech.uchaswv.edu) (12.4.161.218) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 16:26:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:32:06 -0500 From: Nathan Mace To: freebsd-questions Subject: a better fdisk? Message-Id: <20011125113206.6d3e4ebd.nmace85@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in linux there is a program called 'cfdisk'...it is a sort of command-line GUI that is the best fdisk program i have ever used in terms of seeing what you are doing. is there a similar program for freebsd? please Cc the replies to me nathan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 8:39:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kirk.sector14.net (66-61-170-163.mtc2.cox.rr.com [66.61.170.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0059D37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dgl@localhost) by kirk.sector14.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAPGdFS29434; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:39:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dgl) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:39:11 -0500 From: Doug Lee To: Wayne Lubin Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sound problem Message-ID: <20011125113910.A29092@kirk.sector14.net> Mail-Followup-To: Doug Lee , Wayne Lubin , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011123215904.3573.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011123215904.3573.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>; from wayneclubin@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0800 Organization: Bartimaeus Group Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 01:59:04PM -0800, Wayne Lubin wrote: > The problem I am having is that half the time I boot > up my sound works fine, and the other half I get the > error that the /dev/dsp device is busy. Now for a > little backgroung and some more details. Try doing a fstat /dev/dsp0 when you get the "Device busy" message. If it doesn't list anything, fstat /dev/audio0 and /dev/dspW0, if you have that one; and any other sound devices, to see if there is really something locking the card. You should be able to get a complete list of your sound device names by doing ls -l /dev/dsp0 noting the major device number (the one before the comma), then doing something like this (replace "128," with the number you see, with the comma): ls -l /dev |grep "128," If any of those fstat commands show a process, that's probably the problem. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to suggest. Notice, btw, that I'm having you fstat /dev/dsp0, not /dev/dsp. /dev/dsp is a symlink to /dev/dsp0, and nothing will be holding that open. Also, if a fstat shows a process, the R/W column will tell you if it's trying to play sound (W) or record sound (R). One more idea below... > Just purchased the sound blaster 16 pci card. Compiled > into the kernel > > device pcm > device sbc > > At boot the related messages are > > pcm0: port 0x6200-0x623f irq 9 at > device 20.0 on pci0 > > and yes I did the MAKEDEV snd0 and the subsequent > related devices all seem to be in /dev > > Note that there is no message relative the the sbc > device. Is this a problem? Is this true both when you do get sound and when you don't? That strikes me as odd...but so does the fact that your card is being recognized as something other than SoundBlaster. The PCM and SBC drivers say they support ESS-based cards also, but I note that there's an snd_ess.ko kernel module...wonder what that's for... Good luck... > I grabed the xmms port, but the port did not provide > an entry in my gnome start menu, and so to start it I > enter the command line as superuser > > /path_to_xmms & > > Then when I try to play an mp3 I get the message in > the gnome terminal, the same terminal that I used to > start xmms > > ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device > (/dev/dsp): Device busy > > and nothing plays. At which time I shutdown the > system(reboot seems to never help this problem) turn > back on, and sometimes PRESTO I have sound and > everthing works. About half the times I boot it comes > up with sound, and the other half I don't because of > the /dev/dsp busy thing. > > Help would be greatly appreciated. thanks. > > Wayne -- Doug Lee dgl@visi.com http://www.visi.com/~dgl Bartimaeus Group doug@bartsite.com http://www.bartsite.com The very smart may feel they have nothing to learn from anyone; The very wise will find something to learn from everyone. (7/14/01) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 9: 5:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBFB37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 1682if-0002J9-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:05:29 +0000 Received: from dsl-64-194-5-249.telocity.com ([64.194.5.249] helo=ns.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with asmtp (011805090) id 1682if-000271-00 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:05:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3C012670.8F0FFE0A@ns.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:12:16 -0800 From: Joseph Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Promiscuous mode? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Setting up a LAN behind a DSL Router on a 486 -DX2 Box: BSD 4.2 for network card dmesg ==> ed0: device timeout ed0: promiscuous mode enabled What is promiscuous mode ? How does one figure out if a card is actually been seen by the machine. Pinging to hostname is useless as the packets do not go past "loopback" and needless to say the machine is invisible to the LAN. lsdev does not help either. Thanks. -- Joe -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 9:10:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D5B37B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAPHAMR42076; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joseph Maxwell" , Subject: RE: Promiscuous mode? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:10:22 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c175d4$110150e0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C012670.8F0FFE0A@ns.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Maxwell >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:12 AM >To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Promiscuous mode? > > >Hello, > >Setting up a LAN behind a DSL Router on a 486 -DX2 Box: BSD 4.2 >for network card > > dmesg ==> > > ed0: device timeout > ed0: promiscuous mode enabled > >What is promiscuous mode ? > This indicates the ability of the NIC to be set to receive all packets that are on the LAN and is used for diagnostic applications like packet analyzers. > >How does one figure out if a card is actually been seen by the >machine. Pinging >to hostname is useless as the packets do not go past "loopback" and needless >to say the machine is invisible to the LAN. > Most likely you have an interrupt set wrong. The NE2000 series (ed0 uses that) and the other cards like the SMC and 3com that are managed by that driver all have a mechanism to set the interrupt to a specific IRQ. Sometimes that interrupt is set by jumpers, other times by a DOS program that you use to configure NVRAM on the card. Whatever it is, the IRQ set into the driver and the IRQ set into the card must match. Generally it's most useful for you to include your ENTIRE dmesg when mailing the list. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >lsdev does not help either. > >Thanks. > >-- Joe -- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 9:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bps.jodocus.org (c115139.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.115.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95137B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joost@localhost) by bps.jodocus.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAPHIKt03957; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:18:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joost) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:18:19 +0100 From: Joost Bekkers To: Joseph Maxwell , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? Message-ID: <20011125181819.A3911@bps.jodocus.org> References: <3C012670.8F0FFE0A@ns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3C012670.8F0FFE0A@ns.net>; from jaymax@ns.net on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:12:16AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:12:16AM -0800, Joseph Maxwell wrote: > Hello, > > Setting up a LAN behind a DSL Router on a 486 -DX2 Box: BSD 4.2 > for network card > > dmesg ==> > > ed0: device timeout > ed0: promiscuous mode enabled > You wouldn't be trying to use an isa nic? If so, check your irq setting. > What is promiscuous mode ? > During 'normal' operations a network card only takes packets from the net which have the cards mac address as a destination (and the broadcast packets) In promiscuous mode it takes all packets. -- greetz Joost joost@jodocus.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 9:23:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7BD37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAPHNIR42106; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joost Bekkers" , "Chuck Root" Cc: Subject: RE: IPFW/VLAN Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:23:17 -0800 Message-ID: <002001c175d5$df44dac0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011125102114.A2493@bps.jodocus.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joost Bekkers >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 1:21 AM >To: Chuck Root >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: IPFW/VLAN > > >On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 10:38:36PM -1000, Chuck Root wrote: >> I am trying to use a freebsd box with 2 fxp NIC's in it as a firewall >> between 2 points on a 802.1q tagged vlan trunk. >> >> I am bridging the interfaces using the BRIDGING option in the kernel and >> I am using ipfw to filter pakets. >> >> The bridge and ipfw work fine with normal pakets but the ones with >> 802.1q tages slip right on by. >> >> is there any way to do this? >> >> I have tried bridging the vlans them selfs with no luck. >> > >The reason why 802.1q packets don't get filtered is this: >The bridge code only sends ip packets through the firewall, all >others (802.1q;ipx;arp;ipv6;....) will be passed no matter what. > Ahem - ARP is an IP protocol... >The reason why you can't bridge the vlan interfaces is because >bridging only works on ethernet interfaces. > >At this point there is nothing you can do about it. (aside from >changing the kernel code) > See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=45862+48717+/usr/local/www/db/text /2001/freebsd-stable/20010211.freebsd-stable for a message from one of the kernel developers as to why ipfw cannot filter bridged packets. Consider that ipfw gets it's name from IP = Internet Protocol + FW Firewall. As others have pointed out a program intended for filtering IP packets is not the correct vehicle for filtering bridged packets. There's been periodic interest in writing a bridge filter, however nobody has stepped forward to do the work. I'll point out, though, that hubs that have management and filtering capability built into them are not that expensive. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-- >greetz Joost >joost@jodocus.org > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 9:47:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bps.jodocus.org (c115139.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.115.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8759737B41D for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joost@localhost) by bps.jodocus.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fAPHkfH04060; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:46:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joost) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:46:40 +0100 From: Joost Bekkers To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Chuck Root , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW/VLAN Message-ID: <20011125184640.A3977@bps.jodocus.org> References: <20011125102114.A2493@bps.jodocus.org> <002001c175d5$df44dac0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <002001c175d5$df44dac0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:23:17AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:23:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > >The reason why 802.1q packets don't get filtered is this: > >The bridge code only sends ip packets through the firewall, all > >others (802.1q;ipx;arp;ipv6;....) will be passed no matter what. > > > > Ahem - ARP is an IP protocol... > To you and me it is. To the network however it is not. Ip has an ether_type of 0x0800 Arp has an ether_type of 0x0806 -- greetz Joost joost@jodocus.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 10:18: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB9537B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.159.96.3] (HELO john-u99hwzhn2y.charter.net) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 53582127 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:24:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:17:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: John Wilson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: USB mouse... it's dead. Message-ID: X-Warning: UNAuthenticated Sender MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I am trying to get a Logitech USB mouse to function under FreeBSD 4.4-stable. Unfortunately, everything that I've tried from the handbook and FreeBSD FAQ results with a non-functional mouse. I have the following in my kernel config: device uhci device ohci device usb device ums /dev/ums0 already exists. I ran MAKEDEV anyway, with no change. 'usbd' comes up with no errors. 'dmesg' reports finding ums0, and also correctly reports that it is a Logitech receiver. 'usbdevs' also reports the same. 'vidcontrol -m on' returns with no output, yet, I have no mouse in console mode. I'm not even going to attempt getting this to work in X until I figure out why it's not even coming up in console mode. I've searched through dejanews as well as the problem reports on freebsd.org with no solutions. Is this a known issue with the current release? There are quite a lot of recent posts on dejanews with people stating the same problem- this coming from a release that is supposed to support USB mice "out of the box." If there is something obvious that I am missing, I'd appreciate a suggestion or three. Thank you for your time with this matter, John Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 10:21:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BB437B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21207 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 18:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO z5w4q9) ([66.92.216.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Nov 2001 18:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c175dd$aa5c9160$05d85c42@kibserv.org> From: "Jason Cribbins" To: Cc: "Mike Semcheski" , , References: <00da01c172bd$2de74080$05d85c42@kibserv.org> <20011122034430.B226@gohan.cjclark.org> Subject: Re: natd failed to write packet back Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:33:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:48:57PM -0500, USER wrote: > > I have a similar problem but this is affecting my clients. It seems if a > > laptop stays connected longer than the default lease time I get the > > following message > > natd[89]: failed to write packet back (Host is down) > > > > and it repeats sometimes several hundred times an minute. > > > > On the client side the laptop in question loses all IP connectivity but > > winipcfg reports a valid lease with up to 8 hours remaining in the lease. > > Release/Renew within the client machine resolve this trouble and often the > > same IP is reissued. > > If all connectivity is lost, the natd(8) message telling you the "host > is down" seems quite appropriate. The fact you are losing connectivity > sounds more like issues with DHCP or some other network configuration > problem. It sounds like natd(8) is just reporting the problem, not > causing it. > Its not conectivity.. when the problem occurs the computer claims to have a valid IP and lease and can even ping everything on the local side of the NAT Gateway but nothing on the other side. The NAT Gateway is also the DHCP server. I did note that the problem seems to affect computers that are inactive for long periods more. I leave one computer connected to ICQ and it will happen quite often. I later installed a program called WeatherBug and the problem almost never occurs now. ICQ polls the server every few minutes or maybe a couple times an hour or who knows. Weatherbug polls every 1 second or less when connected since it has to update wind direction/speed and temp info in near real-time. The problem still seems to kick in around lease renewal time and the assigned IP the computer claims to lease is the same as before. A constant ping to an ip beyond the gateway does not prevent the trouble as the program weatherbug does. I am trying other applications to see if there is a pattern. So far it seems constant TCP traffic is the only thing that prevents the trouble. If you think of anything else let me know. Otherwise in a few weeks we are converting a Netopia DSL router for use on the new T1 line and it will have the ability to handle NAT/DHCP in the router and our problem wont matter anymore. We used this router in the past for NAT/DHCP without any trouble at all. Just waiting for the Line to be dropped and the upgrade modules to arrive. Maybe I will just have everyone deal with things as they are now until we make this conversion to the new office complete. > > I checked /var/log/security and it seems to be completely empty. Is logging > > to security disabled or is it possible for there to be no messages in a case > > like this. > > All depend on your syslog.conf(5). > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 10:41:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f75.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492E437B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:41:42 -0800 Received: from 216.209.246.34 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:41:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.209.246.34] From: "Pierre-Luc Drouin" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem to read datas with Plextor W1610A cd burner Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:41:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2001 18:41:42.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[D34D57F0:01C175E0] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm able to burn cds with my plextor w1610a cd burner, but i'm unable to copy files from a cd to my hd. From dmesg: acd0: CD-RW at ata1-master using PIO4 acd1: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 i can mount a cd and list files on it, but when i try to copy a file, it says error messages: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout acd0: failure to send atapi packet command cause plextor says that's better to set dma channel on, i've tried sysctl hw.atamodes=dma,dma,dma,pio .When i do that, i'm unable to mount a cd In both configurations, when i try to use my cd burner to read, freebsd frozes and i must reset my computer... _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 10:44: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtapop1pub.verizon.net (mtapop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B85737B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-138-88-75-218.res.east.verizon.net [138.88.75.218]) by mtapop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id MAA3897151 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:43:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:48:08 -0500 From: bad bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem to activate it, just plain confused. thanks for any help or pointers. bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 10:54:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D26E37B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24961; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:54:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011125125426.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:54:26 -0600 To: bad bob , FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo In-Reply-To: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I assume you have the interface installed and have run "ifconfig -a"...to see if it displays there. At 01:48 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: >I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 >interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of >the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem >to activate it, just plain confused. >thanks for any help or pointers. >bob > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11: 1:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out003pub.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6237B37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-138-88-75-218.res.east.verizon.net [138.88.75.218]) by out003pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAPIuHP09130 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:56:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C0140D5.CE535F34@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:04:53 -0500 From: bad bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo References: <3.0.5.32.20011125125426.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jack, Sorry, can't see it there in the ifconfig -a command. I have just reinstalled from the april CDs, trying to find that driver... Is there a pointer on how to pull the driver in? thanks bob jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > > I assume you have the interface installed and have run "ifconfig -a"...to > see if it displays there. > > At 01:48 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: > >I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 > >interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of > >the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem > >to activate it, just plain confused. > >thanks for any help or pointers. > >bob > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Server Admin > > Sage-American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:16:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fe030.worldonline.dk (fe030.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D44E437B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5782 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2001 19:16:23 -0000 Received: from 213.237.13.224.adsl.hc.worldonline.dk (HELO lapdancer.dk) (213.237.13.224) by fe030.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 19:16:23 -0000 Subject: How do I update a port? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 25 Nov 2001 20:13:50 +0100 Message-Id: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How do I update my Analog port from 5.03 to 5.1? --=20 .............................. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards S=F8ren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:29:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out006pub.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4603A37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-138-88-75-218.res.east.verizon.net [138.88.75.218]) by out006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id fAPJRse12553 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:27:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C0147AB.162B360@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:34:03 -0500 From: bad bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo References: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to follow up my own post with - perhaps - more info: using FreeBSD 4.3, april 2001 CDs. upon reinstall, with the bootup I see the sis0 interface in the boot messages that display and roll by quickly. I see the ethernet interface address (mac address) but when I do an ifconfig -a, i do not see the sis0 listed. Still looking for hints thanks bob bad bob wrote: > > I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 > interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of > the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem > to activate it, just plain confused. > thanks for any help or pointers. > bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:30:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071CE37B41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.148.177]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with ESMTP id <20011125193018.KGYU23920.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:18 +0000 Received: from boog.goatsucker.org (boog.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.3]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAPJUAn18710; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:10 GMT (envelope-from scott@boog.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by boog.goatsucker.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14472; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:29:35 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:29:35 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Message-ID: <20011125192934.J273@localhost> References: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011125171232.A48911@freebie.xs4all.nl> <001501c175cd$abeebd60$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <001501c175cd$abeebd60$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:24:23PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:24:23PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Thanks! It does indeed see the tape drive, and says > > freebie# camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,sa0) > > Now, there are already two lines for something similar in my kernel > configuration file: > > device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) > device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) > > So something already seems to be defined. Given this, what do I have to > add so that the device becomes configured (i.e., so that I can manipulate > it with an mt command and use it for the dump command)? It seems like you're almost there already. Is there any mention of the drive in your 'dmesg' output? I expect there would be, since camcontrol thinks the drive is sa0. Do /dev/sa0, /dev/nsa0, /dev/esa0 (and the /dev/r*sa0 forms of these) exist? They were probably created at install time, but if not, 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sa0' should create them for you. What does 'mt -f /dev/sa0 status' say? IME, modulo the cabling and termination magic that can bite you on any system, SCSI stuff tends to Just Work. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:33:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB05A37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2766 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 19:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wastegate.net) (209.166.135.58) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 19:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 932 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 19:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mother) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 19:33:26 -0000 From: "Doug Reynolds" To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Julian Morgan" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:33:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Doug Reynolds" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2195;2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Apache and minimum server requirements Message-Id: <20011125193328.EB05A37B416@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 01:34:54 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >> Would you people please let me know what are your thoughts on the minimum >server >> specs for the following >> >> I have a web site that is running freebsd4.3stable >> it is a personal web site - so there might be 20 hits per day max >> it has thumb nails - 10 per page, 5K each in a picture gallary... >> It has 3 cgi scripts , web counter, a program called newspro - which you >> might have heard - is an automated news message board, >> and it has cgi password authentication... >> >> I will not have this server run anything else - but maybe ssh and ftp - >so >> I can update the code, but squid and sendmail will not be running >> >> I was thinking I could get away with a pentium 200 with 64MegRam (maybe >128 >> - but I don't think so... I run apache,qmail,ftp,ssh,socks5,ntp,and dual dialup on an AMD k6-266 with 64megs. I get around 200-300 mails a day. so if you aren't running a mailserver, that should be fine. if you were running a decent mail server, I'd go with 128megs of ram --- doug reynolds | the maverick | mav@wastegate.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:34:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CD537B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAPJY7C00541; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:34:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <004001c175e8$26b827b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Scott Mitchell" Cc: "Wilko Bulte" , "FreeBSD Questions" References: <000701c175cb$78d2b410$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011125171232.A48911@freebie.xs4all.nl> <001501c175cd$abeebd60$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011125192934.J273@localhost> Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:34:07 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko hit the problem in a separate e-mail: I had to have a tape in the drive! Now I'm full of nostalgia--I haven't had to worry about actually mounting tapes on drives since the days when the tape was on an open reel! Anyway, once I put a tape in the drive, the mt command worked fine. Now I need to try my first backup. Some questions that I couldn't find clear answers for, though: 1. Will dump backup files that are locked by readers? What about files locked by writers? 2. If the answer to question 1 is "no," how can I backup the root filesystem or other filesystems that always have some files allocated to someone? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Mitchell" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "Wilko Bulte" ; "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 20:29 Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 05:24:23PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Thanks! It does indeed see the tape drive, and says > > > > freebie# camcontrol devlist > > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,sa0) > > > > Now, there are already two lines for something similar in my kernel > > configuration file: > > > > device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) > > device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) > > > > So something already seems to be defined. Given this, what do I have to > > add so that the device becomes configured (i.e., so that I can manipulate > > it with an mt command and use it for the dump command)? > > It seems like you're almost there already. Is there any mention of the > drive in your 'dmesg' output? I expect there would be, since camcontrol > thinks the drive is sa0. > > Do /dev/sa0, /dev/nsa0, /dev/esa0 (and the /dev/r*sa0 forms of these) > exist? They were probably created at install time, but if not, 'cd /dev; > ./MAKEDEV sa0' should create them for you. > > What does 'mt -f /dev/sa0 status' say? > > IME, modulo the cabling and termination magic that can bite you on any > system, SCSI stuff tends to Just Work. > > Scott > > -- > =========================================================================== > Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels > Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" > scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:35:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E437B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([212.228.234.119]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16853k-000JSt-0X; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:33:57 +0000 To: =?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin Golding Subject: Re: How do I update a port? References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> In-Reply-To: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk>, Søren Neigaard writes >How do I update my Analog port from 5.03 to 5.1? man portsupgrade if you get no luck with that cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portsupgrade and go mad. Kevin, cutting a long story short :-) -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23DA37B41E for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00592; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:35:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011125133536.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:35:36 -0600 To: bad bob , FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo In-Reply-To: <3C0147AB.162B360@bellatlantic.net> References: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Then look at the /var/log/messages for the recent boot up so you have more time to study what the device is being labeled as... perhaps you haven't made the dev yet in /dev At 02:34 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: >to follow up my own post with - perhaps - more info: >using FreeBSD 4.3, april 2001 CDs. >upon reinstall, with the bootup I see the sis0 interface in the >boot messages that display and roll by quickly. I see the ethernet >interface address (mac address) but when I do an ifconfig -a, >i do not see the sis0 listed. >Still looking for hints >thanks >bob > > >bad bob wrote: >> >> I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 >> interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of >> the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem >> to activate it, just plain confused. >> thanks for any help or pointers. >> bob > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 11:44:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (sdf.lonestar.org [209.221.165.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571CC37B41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by sdf.lonestar.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAPJiCu02896; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:44:12 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:44:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Rakesh Prajapati To: Subject: help mounting zip drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi , I am unable to moutn my USB zip drive , I am using the following commands. What am I missing? www# mount /dev/ad0 /zip mount: /dev/ad0 on /zip: incorrect super block www# mount -t msdos /dev/ad0 /zip msdos: /dev/ad0: Invalid argument The following is the output from dmesg acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 acd1: CD-RW at ata1-slave using PIO3 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 650KB/s transfers da0: 96MB (196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 96C) Your help is appreciated. Thanks Raks rprajapa@lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12: 4:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B231C37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4988 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 20:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wastegate.net) (209.166.135.58) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 20:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 1008 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 20:04:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mother) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 20:04:44 -0000 From: "Doug Reynolds" To: "BSD Freak" , "FreeBSD Questions" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:04:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Doug Reynolds" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (5.0.2195;2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Syncing my souce with 4.4-RELEASE not 4-STABLE Message-Id: <20011125200448.B231C37B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:35:51 +1100, BSD Freak wrote: >I manage several FreeBSD boxes remotely. They are in a difficult to >get to location. The currently run 4.3-RELEASE and I would like to >upgrade them to 4.4-RELEASE (not 4.4-STABLE). I beleive this can be >sone by syncing my source tree and doing a 'build world' . > >Thus far I have only seen instructions on syncing a source tree with >either -CURRENT or -STABLE not -RELEASE. Anyone got an url or manpage >that will give me instructions on updating my source to 4.4-RELEASE >and then 'build world' ..... you would want to sync to 4.4-RELENG, because that is the base 4.4-RELEASE with the security patches included. it should be listed in the sample cvsup config file --- doug reynolds | the maverick | mav@wastegate.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:25:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA3437B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-138-88-75-218.res.east.verizon.net [138.88.75.218]) by out007pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAPKQYN20284 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:26:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C01548B.2881201A@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:28:59 -0500 From: bad bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo References: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> <3.0.5.32.20011125133536.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG thanks again for the comeback, looked there and am not able to make the dev in /dev. Did a makedev on it.. no luck. Looked in the makedev file, and it is not listed. Interesting little itch. At least I know I am on the trail, your suggestions help. Thanks bob jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > > Then look at the /var/log/messages for the recent boot up so you have more > time to study what the device is being labeled as... perhaps you haven't > made the dev yet in /dev > > At 02:34 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: > >to follow up my own post with - perhaps - more info: > >using FreeBSD 4.3, april 2001 CDs. > >upon reinstall, with the bootup I see the sis0 interface in the > >boot messages that display and roll by quickly. I see the ethernet > >interface address (mac address) but when I do an ifconfig -a, > >i do not see the sis0 listed. > >Still looking for hints > >thanks > >bob > > > > > >bad bob wrote: > >> > >> I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 > >> interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of > >> the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem > >> to activate it, just plain confused. > >> thanks for any help or pointers. > >> bob > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Server Admin > > Sage-American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:25:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A2A37B41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:25:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08742; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0153B9.7020004@owt.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:25:29 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: bad bob , FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo References: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> <3.0.5.32.20011125133536.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > Then look at the /var/log/messages for the recent boot up so you have more > time to study what the device is being labeled as... perhaps you haven't > made the dev yet in /dev It doesn't work. More code is needed to recognize the SiS900 on SiS-745 chipset motherboards. When you add sis to the kernel. It still doesn't recognize the PHY. You end up with messages like the following in your dmesg sis0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xcffcd000-0xcffcdfff irq 5 at device 3.0 on pci0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 sis0: MII without any PHY! device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 Kent > > At 02:34 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: > >>to follow up my own post with - perhaps - more info: >>using FreeBSD 4.3, april 2001 CDs. >>upon reinstall, with the bootup I see the sis0 interface in the >>boot messages that display and roll by quickly. I see the ethernet >>interface address (mac address) but when I do an ifconfig -a, >>i do not see the sis0 listed. >>Still looking for hints >>thanks >>bob >> >> >>bad bob wrote: >> >>>I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 >>>interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of >>>the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem >>>to activate it, just plain confused. >>>thanks for any help or pointers. >>>bob >>> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> >> >> > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Server Admin > > Sage-American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:31:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fe170.worldonline.dk (fe170.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 173EB37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14606 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2001 20:30:37 -0000 Received: from 213.237.13.224.adsl.hc.worldonline.dk (HELO lapdancer.dk) (213.237.13.224) by fe170.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 20:30:37 -0000 Subject: Re: How do I update a port? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard To: Kevin Golding Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 25 Nov 2001 21:29:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1006720153.2495.2.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Reading man..... Should I do a pkgdepfix first? What would happend when I do a portupgrade, will it upgrade and install the port(s), or would I be required to do a "make install" in the new port dir? /S=F8ren On Sun, 2001-11-25 at 20:33, Kevin Golding wrote: > In message <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk>, S=F8ren Neigaard > writes > >How do I update my Analog port from 5.03 to 5.1? >=20 > man portsupgrade >=20 > if you get no luck with that >=20 > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portsupgrade >=20 > and go mad. >=20 > Kevin, > cutting a long story short :-) --=20 .............................. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards S=F8ren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:34:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E46237B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-138-88-75-218.res.east.verizon.net [138.88.75.218]) by out007pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAPKZlN25442 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:35:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C0156B3.19CA7182@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:38:11 -0500 From: bad bob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BA45DSL (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kent Stewart Cc: jacks@sage-american.com, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo References: <3C013CE8.607CB57F@bellatlantic.net> <3.0.5.32.20011125133536.0102e200@mail.sage-american.com> <3C0153B9.7020004@owt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart wrote: > > jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > > > Then look at the /var/log/messages for the recent boot up so you have more > > time to study what the device is being labeled as... perhaps you haven't > > made the dev yet in /dev > > It doesn't work. More code is needed to recognize the SiS900 on SiS-745 > chipset motherboards. When you add sis to the kernel. It still doesn't > recognize the PHY. You end up with messages like the following in your dmesg > > sis0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem > 0xcffcd000-0xcffcdfff irq 5 at device 3.0 on pci0 > sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 > sis0: MII without any PHY! > device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 > > Kent Bingo! Thanks Kent! Thanks Jack! I went thru the logs and rebooted again and I see one pass with an ether mac address and one with all zeroes as the address. I guess I will have to stick in an ether card! Thanks bob > > > > > At 02:34 PM 11.25.2001 -0500, bad bob wrote: > > > >>to follow up my own post with - perhaps - more info: > >>using FreeBSD 4.3, april 2001 CDs. > >>upon reinstall, with the bootup I see the sis0 interface in the > >>boot messages that display and roll by quickly. I see the ethernet > >>interface address (mac address) but when I do an ifconfig -a, > >>i do not see the sis0 listed. > >>Still looking for hints > >>thanks > >>bob > >> > >> > >>bad bob wrote: > >> > >>>I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 > >>>interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of > >>>the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem > >>>to activate it, just plain confused. > >>>thanks for any help or pointers. > >>>bob > >>> > >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > > Best regards, > > Jack L. Stone, > > Server Admin > > > > Sage-American > > http://www.sage-american.com > > jacks@sage-american.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > . > > > > > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:35:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fe090.worldonline.dk (fe090.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15F4537B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6426 invoked by uid 0); 25 Nov 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Received: from 213.237.13.224.adsl.hc.worldonline.dk (HELO lapdancer.dk) (213.237.13.224) by fe090.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 20:35:25 -0000 Subject: Re: How do I update a port? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard To: Kevin Golding Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 25 Nov 2001 21:32:52 +0100 Message-Id: <1006720373.2495.4.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh and when reading "man pkgdepfix", what does "-o" do and do I need this too? /S=F8ren On Sun, 2001-11-25 at 20:33, Kevin Golding wrote: > In message <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk>, S=F8ren Neigaard > writes > >How do I update my Analog port from 5.03 to 5.1? >=20 > man portsupgrade >=20 > if you get no luck with that >=20 > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portsupgrade >=20 > and go mad. >=20 > Kevin, > cutting a long story short :-) --=20 .............................. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards S=F8ren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:46:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (w050.z065104054.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.104.54.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F7A37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAPKkkI67869 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:46:46 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Koss To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem building kernel.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_ioctl.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_ipc.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_machdep.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_mib.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_misc.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_signal.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_socket.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_stats.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_sysctl.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/linux_sysent.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_sysvec.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_util.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_uid16.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/imgact_linux.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linux/linux_sysent.c:14: linux_proto.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. The strange thing is that linux_proto.h IS IN /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. Not sure why its not finding it. Thanks Loren P.S. make buildworld works fine. Should I first make installworld and then build the kernel?? I usually don't do it in that order.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 12:53:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mrtwig.citlink.net (mrtwig.citlink.net [207.173.229.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE33937B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net ([207.173.255.209]) by mrtwig.citlink.net (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license a3e2d54ac3b1df4217e834deb9d77e31) with ESMTP id <20011125205742.MNFD136188.mrtwig@blacklamb.mykitchentable.net> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:57:42 -0600 Received: from bigdaddy (bigdaddy [192.168.1.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08D08EE655; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:27:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001101c175ef$67b6c7b0$0301a8c0@bigdaddy> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= , "Kevin Golding" Cc: References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> Subject: Re: How do I update a port? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:26:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Golding" To: "Søren Neigaard" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: How do I update a port? > In message <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk>, Søren Neigaard > writes > >How do I update my Analog port from 5.03 to 5.1? > > man portsupgrade > > if you get no luck with that > > cd /usr/ports/sysutils/portsupgrade FYI, it's portupgrade (no "s") :) Drew > and go mad. > > Kevin, > cutting a long story short :-) > -- > kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:27:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (smtp-server.nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1EB37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-25-8.nyc.rr.com [24.168.25.8]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAPLWgAa016639; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:32:43 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011125162507.00bb9490@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:27:38 -0500 To: Loren Koss , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scott Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:46 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: >For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build >my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: > >mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- >-I. -I@ -I@/../include >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c > Yup, a lot of folks are having a similar problem. However, all you have to do to fix it is, before compilation either remove or rename /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE (I'm assuming MICHELLE is the name of your kernel) That should fix it HTH Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:43:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (w050.z065104054.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.104.54.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CA437B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAPLhV373051; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:43:31 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Koss To: Scott Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011125162507.00bb9490@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just tried that with no luck.. And yes, MICHELLE is the name of the kernel. Do you mean before compilation of world or kernel? Thanks Loren On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Scott wrote: > At 12:46 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: > >For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build > >my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: > > > >mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- > >-I. -I@ -I@/../include > >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c > >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c > >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c > > > > Yup, a lot of folks are having a similar problem. However, all you have to > do to fix it is, before compilation either remove or rename > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE > (I'm assuming MICHELLE is the name of your kernel) > That should fix it > > HTH > Scott Robbins > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:48:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7585737B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11880; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:48:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3C016720.9060700@owt.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:48:16 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loren Koss Cc: Scott , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Loren Koss wrote: > I just tried that with no luck.. And yes, MICHELLE is the name of the > kernel. Do you mean before compilation of world or kernel? This usually only happens when you cvsup RELENG_4 and don't do a buildkernel. The makefile is supposed to take care of the problem. Most people only see it if they do a kernel build using the config method, which you are told not to do in /usr/src/UPDATING Kent > > Thanks > Loren > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Scott wrote: > > >>At 12:46 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: >> >>>For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build >>>my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: >>> >>>mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- >>>-I. -I@ -I@/../include >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c >>> >>> >>Yup, a lot of folks are having a similar problem. However, all you have to >>do to fix it is, before compilation either remove or rename >>/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE >>(I'm assuming MICHELLE is the name of your kernel) >>That should fix it >> >>HTH >>Scott Robbins >> >> >> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:51:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from unix.pciway.com (w050.z065104054.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.104.54.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296E937B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (loren@localhost) by unix.pciway.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAPLpfg78181; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loren@pciway.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: Loren Koss To: Kent Stewart Cc: Scott , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. In-Reply-To: <3C016720.9060700@owt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent, Yes, I am tracking RELENG_4. I am not using the config method, I am doing: 1. make buildworld 2. make buildkernel KERNCONF=MICHELLE Step 1 completed fine, step 2 is failing with the error I posted previously.. Should I wipe my src and re-cvsup?? I'm not sure what else to try.. Loren On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Loren Koss wrote: > > > I just tried that with no luck.. And yes, MICHELLE is the name of the > > kernel. Do you mean before compilation of world or kernel? > > > This usually only happens when you cvsup RELENG_4 and don't do a > buildkernel. The makefile is supposed to take care of the problem. Most > people only see it if they do a kernel build using the config method, > which you are told not to do in /usr/src/UPDATING > > Kent > > > > > > Thanks > > Loren > > > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Scott wrote: > > > > > >>At 12:46 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: > >> > >>>For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build > >>>my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: > >>> > >>>mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- > >>>-I. -I@ -I@/../include > >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c > >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c > >>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c > >>> > >>> > >>Yup, a lot of folks are having a similar problem. However, all you have to > >>do to fix it is, before compilation either remove or rename > >>/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE > >>(I'm assuming MICHELLE is the name of your kernel) > >>That should fix it > >> > >>HTH > >>Scott Robbins > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > . > > > > > > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:54:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.whitcraft.com (mail.whitcraft.com [209.150.13.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E884F37B417; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ykbd [206.215.143.106] by mail.whitcraft.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A923485009C; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:56:51 EDT From: ntukunwytj8@msn.com Subject: Read this for details Date: Sun, 25 Nov 101 16:58:54 EDT Message-Id: <20011125215436.E884F37B417@hub.freebsd.org> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stop Searching And Start Earning Begin The Winter Of 2001 With distributorships in your area readily available. 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For A Free Investment Package Follow the link below http://3468642680/~gung/biz1/ Remve me fron any furhter mailings mailto:ardgiepohbgim@yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 13:58:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCD137B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12359; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:58:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3C016973.4080305@owt.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:58:11 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loren Koss Cc: Scott , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Loren Koss wrote: > Kent, > > Yes, I am tracking RELENG_4. I am not using the config method, I am > doing: > > 1. make buildworld > 2. make buildkernel KERNCONF=MICHELLE > > Step 1 completed fine, step 2 is failing with the error I posted > previously.. Should I wipe my src and re-cvsup?? I'm not sure what else > to try.. There was an email from someone on stable where they went into the linux modules and did a "make cleandir" twice. You have crufty stuff left over from earlier builds and the build tree needs to be cleaned up. The linux_proto.h used to be generated and now it exists. You have competing definitions. I did the cleandir twice in /usr/src and recvsuped. The problem went away. I don't know what the simplest approach is. You should be asking this question on -stable anyway. This is not the right list for stable questions. Kent > > Loren > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >> >>Loren Koss wrote: >> >> >>>I just tried that with no luck.. And yes, MICHELLE is the name of the >>>kernel. Do you mean before compilation of world or kernel? >>> >> >>This usually only happens when you cvsup RELENG_4 and don't do a >>buildkernel. The makefile is supposed to take care of the problem. Most >>people only see it if they do a kernel build using the config method, >>which you are told not to do in /usr/src/UPDATING >> >>Kent >> >> >> >>>Thanks >>>Loren >>> >>>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Scott wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>At 12:46 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>For some reason after getting latest from the stable tree, I can't build >>>>>my kernel.. Anyone else having problems?? Here's the error I get: >>>>> >>>>>mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- >>>>>-I. -I@ -I@/../include >>>>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../i386/linux/linux_dummy.c >>>>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_file.c >>>>>/usr/src/sys/modules/linux/../../compat/linux/linux_getcwd.c >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yup, a lot of folks are having a similar problem. However, all you have to >>>>do to fix it is, before compilation either remove or rename >>>>/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MICHELLE >>>>(I'm assuming MICHELLE is the name of your kernel) >>>>That should fix it >>>> >>>>HTH >>>>Scott Robbins >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >>> >>>. >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Kent Stewart >>Richland, WA >> >>mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com >>http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html >>FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ >> >> > > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14: 8:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18937B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from prayforwind.com ([199.243.132.83]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011125220837.UNRM7882.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@prayforwind.com> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:08:37 -0500 Received: (from gtabug@localhost) by prayforwind.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAPMIMA01855 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:18:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gtabug) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:18:21 -0500 From: Steve Brown To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Where to start RTFM'ing to configure Sawfish user menus? Message-ID: <20011125171821.A1837@prayforwind.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everyone, I got Sawfish, looks perfect except for 1 small thing: I've no idea how/where to configure it's user menus. I just want to add a few things to it (staroffice,etc). Doc's seem to indicate I need to write menus in Lisp and compile them? Do I need to get lisp then or do I have it? I used pkg_add -r sawfish to get it (ver 1.4, today, FreeBSD 4.4) Are there any sample menus anywhere for me to modify or look at? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:12:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (smtp-server.nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F1F37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-25-8.nyc.rr.com [24.168.25.8]) by nycsmtp1out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fAPMH1DM001793; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:17:01 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011125170704.00c11750@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:12:05 -0500 To: Loren Koss From: Scott Subject: Re: Problem building kernel.. Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011125162507.00bb9490@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 13:43 2001/11/25 -0800, Loren Koss wrote: >I just tried that with no luck.. And yes, MICHELLE is the name of the >kernel. Do you mean before compilation of world or kernel? Before compiling the kernel. I ~think~ there's something about it in /usr/src/UPDATING--I had the problem and found the solution with a look on deja--it worked and since then, others have mentioned that it solved their problem as well. This would be after make buildworld but before make buildkernel (or makekernel) HTH Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:18:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ampa.pair.com (ampa.pair.com [209.68.1.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF70D37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 50353 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Nov 2001 22:18:23 -0000 Date: 25 Nov 2001 22:18:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011125221823.50352.qmail@ampa.pair.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: User-PPP problems From: mikeirw@elementalspace.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I posted this question earlier this week, but could not provide the ppp.log until now. Here's my problem: I can connect fine using pppd via xisp, but I would like to use user-ppp. When I type ppp, then dial agn, it goes through its thing, I authenticate, get an IP address, and ppp shows "PPP", so I assume that everything is up and running. But when I try to ping a domain or an IP address, I get nothing - no response whatsoever. I can neither browse, ftp, email, or anything at all. I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, but I'm attaching a file called user-ppp that contains a copy of all relevant commands, config files, and the ppp.log. I really appreciate any help on this matter, as I've exhausted every possibility I can think of. -- Mike Irwin mikeirw@elementalspace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:20:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ampa.pair.com (ampa.pair.com [209.68.1.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6878337B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 50495 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Nov 2001 22:20:23 -0000 Date: 25 Nov 2001 22:20:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20011125222023.50494.qmail@ampa.pair.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: User-PPP problems (Try #2) From: mikeirw@elementalspace.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.53 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------3c016ea787b9b" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ------------3c016ea787b9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I apologize, but the attachment did not seem to go through the first time. I'll try again... I posted this question earlier this week, but could not provide the ppp.log until now. Here's my problem: I can connect fine using pppd via xisp, but I would like to use user-ppp. When I type ppp, then dial agn, it goes through its thing, I authenticate, get an IP address, and ppp shows "PPP", so I assume that everything is up and running. But when I try to ping a domain or an IP address, I get nothing - no response whatsoever. I can neither browse, ftp, email, or anything at all. I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, but I'm attaching a file called user-ppp that contains a copy of all relevant commands, config files, and the ppp.log. 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package Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:23:49 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111251424415.SM03488@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just got another machine up and running FBSD4.4 and installed the lates= t=20 Xfree86 from sysinstall and it was working just great. I then added some=20 other fonts in the ports and added the necessary lines to the XF86Config=20 file. I discovered that the webfonts package is breaking X. If I leave it= in=20 like shown below then I get this message: failed to set font path: (all the font paths listed) fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' But if I comment it out then X starts just fine. I thought maybe there wa= s a=20 limited number of fontpath lines, so I tried by commenting out anthere li= ne=20 and uncommenting webfonts, but it still broke X. Seems webfonts break X.=20 Anyone else seen this problem? I have 20 fontpath lines. Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/jmk" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mozilla" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/non-cjk" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/nucleus" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/sharefont" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/util" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/webfonts" EndSection I noticed that the webfonts directory contains ttf fonts. Can I just copy= =20 these to the TrueType fonts directory? -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:31:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E0137B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E2D2466B27; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:31:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:31:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Simon J Mudd Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011125143152.B93136@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011126010024.D579@k7.mavetju.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8GpibOaaTibBMecb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sjmudd@pobox.com on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 03:53:11PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 03:53:11PM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > I've in the past found that installing or upgrading ports doesn't tidily= =20 > remove the previously installed ports and can cause all sorts of problems. Use portupgrade to upgrade your ports. Kris --8GpibOaaTibBMecb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AXFXWry0BWjoQKURAqZ3AJ41PunZDKWIVqcwTBqH9htrLhUmPwCg18Ay +YFTUlWJboMdP74XO4jII2U= =eyIW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8GpibOaaTibBMecb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:32:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F4937B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B801E66B27; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:32:50 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= Cc: Kevin Golding , FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do I update a port? Message-ID: <20011125143250.C93136@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> <1006720153.2495.2.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1006720153.2495.2.camel@lapdancer.dk>; from neigaard@e-box.dk on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:29:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:29:12PM +0100, S=F8ren Neigaard wrote: > Reading man..... Should I do a pkgdepfix first? It will tell you if you need to. > What would happend when I do a portupgrade, will it upgrade and > install the port(s), or would I be required to do a "make install" > in the new port dir? Well, that's something the manpage tells you about, but the answer is the former. Kris --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AXGRWry0BWjoQKURAv9YAKCLEnj3kirjXOT3CM3c0awMASVR6QCgqBgl /WMu67bmgqgN59qw3yKWExs= =6w27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0lnxQi9hkpPO77W3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:33:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCA037B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 851EE66BE2; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:33:19 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= Cc: Kevin Golding , FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do I update a port? Message-ID: <20011125143319.D93136@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <1006715630.2002.36.camel@lapdancer.dk> <1006720373.2495.4.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1006720373.2495.4.camel@lapdancer.dk>; from neigaard@e-box.dk on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:32:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --UoPmpPX/dBe4BELn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:32:52PM +0100, S=F8ren Neigaard wrote: > Oh and when reading "man pkgdepfix", what does "-o" do and do I need > this too? It looks like you have an old portupgrade port, btw..pkgdepfix no longer exists. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 14:45:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450A37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tspivey8 ([24.76.54.195]) by femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:45:15 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: tyler spivey Reply-To: tyler spivey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: this spam Message-Id: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:45:15 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is this a frequent occurents on this list? just wondering. and is there some page that will tell me how to parse email headers/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 0:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0A937B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB88BD58; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03203; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:09 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAPMvhm81445; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Steve Brown Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to start RTFM'ing to configure Sawfish user menus? References: <20011125171821.A1837@prayforwind.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 25 Nov 2001 14:57:42 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011125171821.A1837@prayforwind.com> Message-ID: <26d726tq55.726@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Brown writes: > I've no idea how/where to configure it's user menus. I > just want to add a few things to it (staroffice,etc). > Doc's seem to indicate I need to write menus in Lisp > and compile them? > Do I need to get lisp then or do I have it? I used > pkg_add -r sawfish to get it (ver 1.4, today, FreeBSD 4.4) > Are there any sample menus anywhere for me to modify or look at? Do like this: $ whereis sawfish sawfish: /usr/ports/x11-wm/sawfish $ cat /usr/ports/x11-wm/sawfish/pkg-descr Lisp configurable window manager WWW: http://sawmill.sourceforge.net/ Which should have the FM or tell you where to find it. Then maybe $ locate sawfish and $ cat /usr/ports/x11-wm/sawfish/pkg-plist From the latter, you'll see: 1) whether it comes with some samples 2) That it comes with "info" system help files (which probably answers most of your other questions). 3) A bunch of lisp files for you to modify. I'll guess it has a lisp interpreter built into it, since they can be small enough for that. The "info" thing should tell you where to put lisp files for it to interpret/compile. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 0:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303AA37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by seward.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 386D31DCA0A; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:07:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:07:13 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Slow restores on a DLT4000 Message-ID: <20011119150711.A7781@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am a new owner of a pair of DLT4000 drives. I've been testing them using dump and restore. I get fairly good throughput on dumps; about 1.6 megs/second, which seems similar to 'average' expectations that have been published. During a dump, the drive does not stream, but runs, stops, rewinds, runs, stops, rewinds... My thinking is that the tape drive is able to write to a tape faster than my platters can provide the bits. Restoring data off a level 0 dump takes about twice as long as the dump itself, and it also fails to stream. Also, it takes just as long to retrieve a few files off of a dump as it does to restore an entire dump. It seems like the drive simply reads the tape sequentially, and if it sees a file I've marked, it writes it to the disk. Consequently, if the file is at the end of the tape, it will take 4 hours to find the file on a 20 Gig dump. Is this (slow) behavior due to the way dump/restore works, or due to the DLT4000? Is there any kind of drive/backup program that allows for some kind of random access on the tape drive? (I used to have a 4mm DAT, and I seem to recall that restoring a single file or two was very fast and efficient. It has been a while since I've done it, though.) -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 0:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4809237B41B for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by seward.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B0EA1DCA0C; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:16:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:16:22 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Manuel Hendel Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: problems with plugins for mozilla Message-ID: <20011119151620.C7781@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Manuel Hendel , FreeBSD Questions References: <20011119151020.GA30613@he0.easygolucky.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011119151020.GA30613@he0.easygolucky.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Manuel Hendel (Manuel.Hendel@easygolucky.de) wrote: > I'm using mozilla 0.9.5. Today I tried to install the realplayer > plugin, without success. I copied the files to ~/.mozilla/plugins. Is > that ok? Can anyone help solving this? Are you by chance using the FreeBSD's native Mozilla and trying to install Linux plug-ins? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that works. If you have Linux emulation, and install the linux-gtk port, it's fairly trivial to download and install a pre-build Linux Mozilla that will play well with any linux plugin (Java, Flash, presumably RealPlayer)... -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 0:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319FD37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by seward.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 478941DCA0B; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:13:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:13:06 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Noor Dawod Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Message-ID: <20011119151303.B7781@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Noor Dawod , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Noor Dawod (noor@comrax.com) wrote: > Hi, > > I want to buy a SCSI tape backup (DAT) for our server. Can anyone recommend > a good one? fast and reliable that works under FreeBSD. I think just about any SCSI tape drive will work under FreeBSD. I've used a couple different types of SCSI drives (DAT, DLT) under FreeBSD and found it to be utterly painless to set them up. > While we're at it, how do you back up to one of these tape drives? In believe FreeBSD recognizes a SCSI tape drive as /dev/nrsa0. Most of the tape backup programs (certainly dump, maybe tar and cpio) use the correct device by default. The mt command (man mt) is also useful for manipulating the tape drive (checking the status, positioning the tape to the right file, rewinding or retensioning the tape, etc). -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 0:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BD237B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by kraeusen.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25F971DCA2B; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:18:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:07:13 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Slow restores on a DLT4000 Message-ID: <20011119150711.A7781@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am a new owner of a pair of DLT4000 drives. I've been testing them using dump and restore. I get fairly good throughput on dumps; about 1.6 megs/second, which seems similar to 'average' expectations that have been published. During a dump, the drive does not stream, but runs, stops, rewinds, runs, stops, rewinds... My thinking is that the tape drive is able to write to a tape faster than my platters can provide the bits. Restoring data off a level 0 dump takes about twice as long as the dump itself, and it also fails to stream. Also, it takes just as long to retrieve a few files off of a dump as it does to restore an entire dump. It seems like the drive simply reads the tape sequentially, and if it sees a file I've marked, it writes it to the disk. Consequently, if the file is at the end of the tape, it will take 4 hours to find the file on a 20 Gig dump. Is this (slow) behavior due to the way dump/restore works, or due to the DLT4000? Is there any kind of drive/backup program that allows for some kind of random access on the tape drive? (I used to have a 4mm DAT, and I seem to recall that restoring a single file or two was very fast and efficient. It has been a while since I've done it, though.) -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 1:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BBB37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by seward.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C7A91DCA0D; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:20:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:20:56 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: parv Cc: dochawk@psu.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla does irrelevant search instead revisiting page Message-ID: <20011119152055.D7781@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , parv , dochawk@psu.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200110172009.f9HK9AB81768@fac13.ds.psu.edu> <20011119021957.A9463@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011119021957.A9463@moo.holy.cow> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG parv (parv_@yahoo.com) wrote: > ok, now that i have installed 0.9.5 version, i am getting the > same symptoms. the only workaround i have found is to clear > both memory and disk cache in "edit/preferences/advanced/cache". > > i have set both cache limits to be zero as "every time-compare-cache" > setting didn't help. somehow i have a feeling that zero cache limit > won't prove to be helpful either. > > of course, i am assuming that zero limit would mean "not to cache > anything", a la netscape, not "cache until memory/disk fills". I too am experiencing weird problems with Mozilla 0.9.5. What I've noticed is that the back button does not always return you to the proper page. Maybe your problems are related. This has been reported by other people, too (and on multiple platforms). Funny thing is that 0.9.4 worked flawlessly. I think there's been one other Mozilla release where I've been sorry I upgraded, but in general things do get better! -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15: 4: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ampa.pair.com (ampa.pair.com [209.68.1.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01EE637B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 53293 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Nov 2001 23:03:48 -0000 Date: 25 Nov 2001 23:03:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20011125230348.53292.qmail@ampa.pair.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User-PPP problems From: mikeirw@elementalspace.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.53 Cc: Dru Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-25-2001 06:03 pm, you wrote: > What email program are you using Mike? The attachment just looks like > gobblygook. You may have to just append its contents to your (well > written) email. Thanks Dru. Here's what the file contained (I apologize for the wrapping): ##### ifconfig (before) ##### lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 faith0: flags=8000 mtu 1500 tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6 ##### netstat -rn (before) ##### Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#2 UHL lo0 fe80::%tun0/64 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 Uc tun0 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 link#6 UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 ff02::%tun0/32 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 UC tun0 ##### netstat -rn (after) ##### Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 12.67.1.36 UGSc 0 0 tun0 12.67.1.36 12.64.96.232 UH 1 0 tun0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#2 UHL lo0 fe80::%tun0/64 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 Uc tun0 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 link#6 UHL lo0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 ff02::%tun0/32 fe80::2c50:cf97:11f5:9181%tun0 UC tun0 ##### ppp.log ##### Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Command: default: set device /dev/cuaa1 Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Command: default: set speed 115200 Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Command: default: set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 "" ATE1Q0 OK-AT-OK \dATDT\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Command: default: enable dns Nov 25 16:52:52 foo ppp[754]: Phase: PPP Started (interactive mode). Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: /dev/tty: dial agn Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set phone 318-0105 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set login Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set timeout 300 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: deny lqr Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set authname atap.tn00606 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Command: agn: set authkey ******** Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Phase: bundle: Establish Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: Connected! Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Phone: 318-0105 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Send: ATE1Q0^M Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Expect(5): OK Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Received: ATE1Q0^M^M Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Received: OK^M Nov 25 16:52:55 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Send: ATDT318-0105^M Nov 25 16:52:57 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT Nov 25 16:53:25 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Received: ATDT318-0105^M^M Nov 25 16:53:25 foo ppp[754]: Chat: Received: CONNECT 44000 V42bis^M Nov 25 16:53:25 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: /dev/cuaa1: CD detected Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: carrier -> login Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Nov 25 16:53:26 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Stopped Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: LayerStart Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Stopped Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x03a02add Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(1) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: AUTHPROTO[4] 0xc023 (PAP) Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(1) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: AUTHPROTO[4] 0xc023 (PAP) Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Ack-Rcvd --> Opened Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: LayerUp Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: Phase: bundle: Authenticate Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: his = PAP, mine = none Nov 25 16:53:27 foo ppp[754]: Phase: Pap Output: MyUserID ******** Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS () Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: LayerStart. Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: MPPE: Not usable without CHAP81 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: PRED1[2] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: Phase: bundle: Network Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: LayerStart. Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 10.0.0.1 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: PRIDNS[6] 165.87.13.129 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: SECDNS[6] 165.87.201.244 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(1) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: PRED1[2] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: MPPE: Not usable without CHAP81 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: [EMPTY] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 12.67.1.36 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(2) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 12.67.1.36 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(1) state = Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: PRIDNS[6] 165.87.13.129 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: SECDNS[6] 165.87.201.244 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(2) state = Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 10.0.0.1 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(2) state = Req-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(3) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: <0x4>[2] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: SendConfigRej(3) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: <0x4>[2] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigNak(2) state = Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 12.64.96.232 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] changing address: 10.0.0.1 --> 12.64.96.232 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(3) state = Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 12.64.96.232 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(4) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: [EMPTY] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(4) state = Ack-Rcvd Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: [EMPTY] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Ack-Rcvd --> Opened Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: LayerUp. Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: Out = <0xffffffff>[-1], In = <0xffffffff>[-1] Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(3) state = Ack-Sent Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: LayerUp. Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: myaddr 12.64.96.232 hisaddr = 12.67.1.36 Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: Command: MYADDR: delete ALL Nov 25 16:53:28 foo ppp[754]: Command: MYADDR: add 0 0 HISADDR Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Command: /dev/tty: quit Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: LayerDown: 12.64.96.232 Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(4) state = Opened Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Closing Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(4) state = Closing Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: LayerFinish. Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: Connect time: 48 secs: 0 octets in, 59 octets out Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: : 0 packets in, 1 packets out Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: total 1 bytes/sec, peak 11 bytes/sec on Sun Nov 25 16:54:16 2001 Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Closing --> Closed Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: bundle: Terminate Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: LayerDown. Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Starting Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: LayerFinish. Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: CCP: deflink: State change Starting --> Initial Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: LayerDown Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(2) state = Opened Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Closing Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: open -> lcp Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(2) state = Closing Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Closing --> Closed Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> logout Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: logout -> hangup Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 81 secs: 305 octets in, 355 octets out Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: : 14 packets in, 14 packets out Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: total 8 bytes/sec, peak 107 bytes/sec on Sun Nov 25 16:54:16 2001 Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: bundle: Dead Nov 25 16:54:16 foo ppp[754]: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal). ##### ppp.conf ##### default: set log Phase Chat Connect lcp ipcp ccp command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATE1Q0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" enable dns agn: set phone 318-0105 set login set timeout 300 deny lqr set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 set authname MyUserID set authkey MyPasswd ##### ppp.linkup ##### MYADDR: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR ##### hosts ##### 127.0.0.1 localhost 10.0.0.1 foo.bar.com foo ##### host.conf ##### hosts bind ##### resolv.conf ##### domain attglobal.net nameserver 165.87.13.129 nameserver 165.87.201.244 ##### rc.conf ##### hostname="foo.bar.com" kern_securelevel_enable="NO" moused_enable="YES" nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" sendmail_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" router_enable="NO" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15:28:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB68137B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from d226-39-102.home.cgocable.net ([24.226.39.102] helo=x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 1688h6-0003so-00; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:28:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (genisis@localhost) by x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAPNYt292667; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:34:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com: genisis owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:34:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dru X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: User-PPP problems In-Reply-To: <20011125221823.50352.qmail@ampa.pair.com> Message-ID: <20011125183347.G92613-100000@x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 Nov 2001 mikeirw@elementalspace.com wrote: > I posted this question earlier this week, but could not provide the > ppp.log until now. Here's my problem: > > I can connect fine using pppd via xisp, but I would like to use > user-ppp. When I type ppp, then dial agn, it goes through its thing, I > authenticate, get an IP address, and ppp shows "PPP", so I assume that > everything is up and running. But when I try to ping a domain or an IP > address, I get nothing - no response whatsoever. I can neither browse, > ftp, email, or anything at all. > > I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, but I'm attaching a file called > user-ppp that contains a copy of all relevant commands, config files, > and the ppp.log. > > I really appreciate any help on this matter, as I've exhausted every > possibility I can think of. Do you have any better luck when you dial in "term" mode? If that works, you have a config problem, if that doesn't work, you have a physical connection problem. Dru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15:34:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD98337B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:34:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112106g.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.128.208] helo=kushkush) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1688mp-0005G7-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:34:11 -0800 Message-ID: <017a01c17609$f9af19f0$6400a8c0@kushkush> From: "Moti Levy" To: Subject: pppoe ? and ssh login problem ? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:36:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fellow BSD'ers , I'm having a strange problem with my freebsd box i'm running a 4.4 current ( installed from the iso image ) . i'm using it to connect a small home network ( 4 pc's ) to the internet . i have a dsl modem connected to a 3com nic . things are running smoothly for a while and than i get disconnected from the web . i dont care about the disconnect as much but ( there's always a but ;-) . as soon as the ppp hangs i cannot login to the box using ssh fromanywhere including from the internal lan !!! i can connect to the web server to the ssl web server , i csn telnet to port 25 and i can view the samba shares but not login . only way for me to login is to go to he console and HUP pppd ;-( . any idea's / similar problems ? I dont have netgraph compiled into the kernel and i am using ipnat to masq the internel lan . my ppp version is -> PPP Version 2.3.2 - Sep 18 2001 thanks barazani To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15:37:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D16937B491 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAPNakC01073; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:36:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000e01c1760a$0d14ebf0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Christopher Farley" , "Noor Dawod" Cc: References: <20011119151303.B7781@northernbrewer.com> Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:36:47 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have always had excellent luck with Hewlett-Packard DAT drives. As long as you don't reuse tapes beyond their useful lives (whatever number of passes the manufacturer recommends, usually several hundred at least), and keep the drive clean per HP's instructions, it is very reliable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Farley" To: "Noor Dawod" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 22:13 Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > Noor Dawod (noor@comrax.com) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to buy a SCSI tape backup (DAT) for our server. Can anyone recommend > > a good one? fast and reliable that works under FreeBSD. > > I think just about any SCSI tape drive will work under FreeBSD. > I've used a couple different types of SCSI drives (DAT, DLT) under > FreeBSD and found it to be utterly painless to set them up. > > > While we're at it, how do you back up to one of these tape drives? > > In believe FreeBSD recognizes a SCSI tape drive as /dev/nrsa0. > > Most of the tape backup programs (certainly dump, maybe tar and cpio) > use the correct device by default. > > The mt command (man mt) is also useful for manipulating the tape drive > (checking the status, positioning the tape to the right file, rewinding > or retensioning the tape, etc). > > -- > Christopher Farley > www.northernbrewer.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15:46:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622FB37B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from chris ([24.250.134.165]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011125234637.CHNY13005.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@chris> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:46:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c1760b$7a8be1b0$a586fa18@chris> From: "Chris Peterson" To: Subject: FTP install silently fails and then installer has DNS resolution problems? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:47:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.4 over FTP. Unfortunately, I can never complete the install because the install step to FTP all the files fails repeatedly. The computer is behind a NAT, so I am using passive FTP and DHCP behind the NAT. After I select FTP from ftp.freebsd.org, everything seems to be working. About half way through copying the files for the / partition, the installer unexpectedly asks me to choose an FTP server again. I choose ftp.freebsd.org again, but now the installer cannot resolve any DNS names, even ftp.freebsd.org which worked a few minutes earlier. I have reproduced this problem six times out of six attempts.. If I try to configure the network settings again, I see that my netmask has changed from 255.255.255.0 to 0xffffffff. I know these are equivalent numbers, but if I change it back to 255.255.255.0, sometimes the DNS resolution will work again, but usually not. Also, when I try to choose one of the FTP mirrors (such as ftp4.freebsd.org) as my install media, I get errors that the installer cannot log into ftp4.freebsd.org. thanks for your help, chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 15:49:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514F837B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:49:52 -0800 Received: from 216.209.246.127 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:49:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.209.246.127] From: "Pierre-Luc Drouin" To: mikeirw@elementalspace.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User-PPP problems (Try #2) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:49:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2001 23:49:52.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[E04942E0:01C1760B] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think problem is that you have not put DNS in /etc/resolv.conf file. Mine looks like this: #/etc/resolv.conf file domain my.domain nameserver 198.235.216.134 nameserver 209.226.175.223 Your have to put your dns, if you want your box be able to match an ip address with domain name you write, for examble, in your browser. >From: mikeirw@elementalspace.com >To: questions@freebsd.org >Subject: User-PPP problems (Try #2) >Date: 25 Nov 2001 22:20:23 -0000 > >I apologize, but the attachment did not seem to go through the first >time. I'll try again... > >I posted this question earlier this week, but could not provide the >ppp.log until now. Here's my problem: > >I can connect fine using pppd via xisp, but I would like to use >user-ppp. When I type ppp, then dial agn, it goes through its thing, I >authenticate, get an IP address, and ppp shows "PPP", so I assume that >everything is up and running. But when I try to ping a domain or an IP >address, I get nothing - no response whatsoever. I can neither browse, >ftp, email, or anything at all. > >I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, but I'm attaching a file called >user-ppp that contains a copy of all relevant commands, config files, >and the ppp.log. > >I really appreciate any help on this matter, as I've exhausted every >possibility I can think of. > >-- >Mike Irwin >mikeirw@elementalspace.com ><< user-ppp >> _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 16:18:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63A637B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQ0IhC88143 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:18:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvsup question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess I do not understand the time stamps on the updates in a CVS repository. Could someone straighten me out??? I ran a cvsup with no date to pick up a change made to nvi. The latest timestamp I found in the cvsup log was 2001.11.24.20.26.57. So I added *default date=2001.11.25.00.00.00, ran another cvsup and got the following: Updating collection src-all/cvs Edit src/sys/isa/sio.c Add delta 1.291.2.22 2001.11.02.16.45.05 jlemon Edit src/sys/net/if_tun.c Add delta 1.74.2.6 2001.11.23.13.13.19 brian Edit src/usr.bin/ftp/complete.c Add delta 1.5 99.08.28.01.01.30 peter Edit src/usr.sbin/dev_mkdb/dev_mkdb.8 Add delta 1.5.2.2 2001.07.22.12.40.55 dd Edit src/usr.sbin/dev_mkdb/dev_mkdb.c Add delta 1.4 99.08.28.01.16.04 peter All this happend in a 5 minute span from cvsup3.FreeBSD.org. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 16:20:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBF437B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp id 1689V6-0006hq-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:19:56 +0000 Received: from dsl-64-194-5-249.telocity.com ([64.194.5.249] helo=ns.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 1689V5-0001km-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3C018C54.7C38C125@ns.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:27:00 -0800 From: Joseph Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? References: <001801c175d4$110150e0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, My apologies for not including the dmesg file, was unconsciously trying to reduce bandwith presumably, anyway here it is along w/ output from some other files viz:- routing table from netstat -r, LAN Configuration from ifconfig. I was looking for conflicts earlier but could have missed something else ?? Hope you can see it from here, thanks -- Joe -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From GENERIC kernel: device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 From dmesg below: ed0 at port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd8000 irq 10 on isa0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dmesg ==> Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Nov 20 13:02:55 GMT 2000 jkh@bento.FreeBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping = 5 Features=0x3 real memory = 20971520 (20480K bytes) config> di sn0 config> di lnc0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 config> di cs0 config> q avail memory = 16314368 (15932K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0436000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc043609c. md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16450 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16450 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ed0 at port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd8000 irq 10 on isa0 ed0: address 00:40:05:a0:40:18, type NE2000 (16 bit) ad0: 2442MB [4962/16/63] at ata0-master BIOSPIO ad1: 521MB [1060/16/63] at ata0-slave BIOSPIO acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using BIOSPIO Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout ed0: promiscuous mode enabled ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout ed0: device timeout fd0: Seek to cyl 0, but not really there (ST3 = 20) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- netstat -r ==> Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default gateway UGSc 0 0 ed0 localhost localhost UH 1 82 lo0 192.168.2 link#2 UC 0 0 ed0 => gateway link#2 UHLW 1 0 ed0 => Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH lo0 fe80::%ed0 link#2 UC ed0 fe80::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 ff01:: ::1 U lo0 ff02::%ed0 link#2 UC ed0 ff02::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 UC lo0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ifconfig ==> lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 ed0: flags=8943 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.2.13 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 inet6 fe80::240:5ff:fea0:4018%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:40:05:a0:40:18 faith0: flags=8000 mtu 1500 gif0: flags=8010 mtu 1280 gif1: flags=8010 mtu 1280 gif2: flags=8010 mtu 1280 gif3: flags=8010 mtu 1280 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Maxwell > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:12 AM > >To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Promiscuous mode? > > > > > >Hello, > > > >Setting up a LAN behind a DSL Router on a 486 -DX2 Box: BSD 4.2 > >for network card > > > > dmesg ==> > > > > ed0: device timeout > > ed0: promiscuous mode enabled > > > >What is promiscuous mode ? > > > > This indicates the ability of the NIC to be set to receive all packets that > are on the LAN and is used for diagnostic applications like packet analyzers. > > > > >How does one figure out if a card is actually been seen by the > >machine. Pinging > >to hostname is useless as the packets do not go past "loopback" and needless > >to say the machine is invisible to the LAN. > > > > Most likely you have an interrupt set wrong. The NE2000 series (ed0 uses > that) > and the other cards like the SMC and 3com that are managed by that driver all > have a mechanism to set the interrupt to a specific IRQ. Sometimes that > interrupt > is set by jumpers, other times by a DOS program that you use to configure > NVRAM > on the card. Whatever it is, the IRQ set into the driver and the IRQ set into > the card must match. > > Generally it's most useful for you to include your ENTIRE dmesg when mailing > the list. > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >lsdev does not help either. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- Joe -- > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 17:10:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E94337B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 19C5C66C29; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:10:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:10:37 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Simon J Mudd , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011125171037.A97187@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011125041357.A88473@xor.obsecurity.org> <20011125062859.A89395@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011125062859.A89395@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 06:28:59AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 06:28:59AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:53:18PM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > > Hi Kris, > >=20 > > Thanks for your reply. > >=20 > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >=20 > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:41:29AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > >=20 > > > > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not= =20 > > > > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > > > > running gv-3.5.8. > > >=20 > > > Did you update your ports collection completely? The only reason it > > > would still be looking for an old version of libpng is you have an old > > > gv port. > >=20 > > Yes, the "current ports collection" also uses gv 3.5.8. > >=20 > > My guess is the problem is depenency related but this information=20 > > isnt' shown in the port. >=20 > Yes - in fact, gv doesn't even link against libpng, so I'm not sure > what's going on with your binary. I bet gv is actually fine, but the problem is actually with the ghostscript port which is used to do the actual PS rendering. ghostscript uses png. The moral of the story is that when you upgrade one port, you must cvsup your entire ports collection and upgrade all ports which depend on it. The easiest way to do this is probably portupgrade -r Kris --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AZaMWry0BWjoQKURAuHZAJ4/LFS7zt6ZTPaztWUQcUhrUCjCDwCfX/By eevfGW21fXTGExAuZTC9e/k= =iy+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 17:21:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97D9E37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32422 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 01:21:09 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15361.39173.28696.229731@guru.mired.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:21:09 -0600 To: Simon J Mudd Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <67718098@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon J Mudd types: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > However I have several duplicate packages installed, amongst them: > > kdelibs-2.1.1 Libraries for KDE2 > kdelibs-2.2_3 Libraries for KDE2 > > I've in the past found that installing or upgrading ports doesn't tidily > remove the previously installed ports and can cause all sorts of problems. You're right - you have to remove the old port/package to get it cleaned up tidily. That's usually recommended, but some people would rather avoid it because doing so may mean rebuilding a lot of ports that depend on it. > In cases where the port's configuration files are important (a web o mail > server for example), won't the make deinstall remove all these > configuration files, thus losing vital information? If it does, that's a nono on the port authors part. Ports that require configuration are supposed to install sample config files and tell you to copy and edit those, or otherwise avoid remove your config files. If you find a port that removes configuration information, a note to the port author is in order. If you can't recover the removed copy from a backup afterwards, then fixing your admin procedures is in order. Putting such things in a source code control system makes all this a much saner. You branch from the sample file to the real one, then the updated is a vendor update and the software handles much of the merge work. > While the port system works quite well, I've found it rather lacking > regarding dependency checking, upgrade procedures and son compared to > other packaging mechanisms, of which rpm comes to mind as being the one > I'm most familiar with. If that's the case, you're getting into trouble with ports for the same reason I hate rpm - you're not really using the tools properly. > The fact that the ports allow me to get into the situation I'm in is > really asking for trouble later down the road as I'm seeing now. > Is this a valid criticism? Based on my experience with rpm, I'd say implying that ports/pkgs are worse than rpm is invalid. But the point of your criticism is valid. The ports/package/install system are undergoing an overhaul, but that isn't far enough along to be used in -current. For now, you can use the portupgrade port/pkg to help with the task of maintaining the package database. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 17:27:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C9E637B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32505 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 01:27:04 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15361.39528.690783.177183@guru.mired.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:27:04 -0600 To: bad bob Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: activating sis900 ether interface ECS K7S5A Mobo In-Reply-To: <130411223@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG bad bob types: > I have read the docs, scanned the archives, and find that the sis0 > interface (as I think the ECS K7S5A mobo implements it) is part of > the standard generic kernel. I can not seem to find it, can't seem > to activate it, just plain confused. > thanks for any help or pointers. I hate to be the one to tell you - but that version of the SiS 900 isn't supported in FreeBSD yet. Ditto for the onboard audio, and the onboard IDE doesn't run at full speed. The SiS 735 looks to be killer hardware, and there seem to be a lot of people using boards built around, so look for the support to appear, probably in time for 4.5 - if the documentation gets into the right hands. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:12:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B8437B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQ2CrC01985 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:12:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:12:54 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have my router set to send messages to syslog on my FreeBSD system when connect attempts and the like are discarded, but nothing is being logged. When I look at traffic with tcpdump, there are lots of messages being sent to FreeBSD by the router, but I don't know where they are going. What do I have to do to make this work? Currently I have syslogd starting with "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*" as options (the router is at 10.0.0.30). The router is supposed to be sending messages as facility local1, so I have local1.* /var/log/router.log in the syslog.conf file. What am I doing wrong? Is there a tool that will show me the contents of the packets being sent by the router, so I can see exactly what facility and text it is actually sending? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:13:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6180A37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:13:45 -0800 Received: from 216.209.246.123 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:13:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.209.246.123] From: "Pierre-Luc Drouin" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: I'm unable to read files from my cd burner! Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:13:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 02:13:45.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9E4A6E0:01C1761F] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm able to burn cds with my plextor w1610a cd burner, but i'm unable to copy files from a cd to my hd. From dmesg: acd0: CD-RW at ata1-master using PIO4 acd1: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 i can mount a cd and list files on it, but when i try to copy a file, it says error messages: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout acd0: failure to send atapi packet command Because plextor says that's better to set dma channel on, i've tried sysctl hw.atamodes=dma,dma,dma,pio  .When i do that, i'm unable to mount a cd. In both configurations, when i try to use my cd burner to read, freebsd frozes and i must reset my computer... Someone could tell me what can i do to read files from my cd burner? Do i have to use sysctl to change channel configuration or something else? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:15:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426937B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAQ2FB486539; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:15:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:15:11 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: "Anthony D'asero" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ? In-Reply-To: <000801c17391$d4917840$0301a8c0@tonyl0hivzdf57> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, Anthony D'asero wrote: > Hi: I did install the 4.4 version of Linux X86, and after spending 6 > hours trying to get thru LOGIN I get a dollar sign, and nothing else. > What do you use this thing for, it does not seem to be able to do any > thing. Please help me understand, I am lost. Go to the book store, buy "UNIX for dummies" [seriously]. It will probably make more sense after that or maybe not... Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:42:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A5237B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD0EBCA3; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02779; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:42:51 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAQ2eOK81525; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:40:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: "Pierre-Luc Drouin" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm unable to read files from my cd burner! References: From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 25 Nov 2001 18:40:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Pierre-Luc Drouin" writes: > In both configurations, when i try to use my cd burner to read, freebsd > frozes and i must reset my computer... If my OS was freezing, I'd ask my question on freebsd-stable or freebsd-current, depending on which OS version had the problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:47:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4475F37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38ldiv0.dsl.mindspring.com ([209.86.203.224] helo=Main) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Bna-0007CG-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c17624$85c958f0$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: Subject: Scripting Problems please help Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:46:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175E9.D905A4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175E9.D905A4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to bother you but I am going crazy... I am trying to write a = simple script to traverse directories and create playlist files in those = directories. I have tried several things but keep getting errors. I am = obviously having issues with the spaces inside the directory names (see = below for scripts I have triedand errors I am getting). Any help you = guys/gals could offer would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! (Oh, please = reply directly as I am not signed up for the mailing list, probably = would be a good idea to do that though.) OK, I have mp3 files n several directories. Here is a sample of = directories. /usr/test /usr/test/W /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851 /usr/test/W/When in Rome /usr/test/W/White Town /usr/test/W/Wil Smith What I woudl like to do is have a script search each of the directories = for mp3 files and dump that output into a .m3u (playlist file) in it. = for example.. /usr/test/test.m3u /usr/test/W/W.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Wall of Voodoo.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/Dark Continent.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/WoV Live.m3u /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Weatheran, The.m3u /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851/Global 851.m3u /usr/test/W/When in Rome/When in Rome.m3u /usr/test/W/White Town/White Town.m3u /usr/test/W/Wil Smith/Wil Smith.m3u It is ok for parent directories to include mp3s from subdirectories... = so Weatherman, The.m3u would also include the mp3s in it's subdirectory. With help, I have been able to figure out how to get a list of the = subdirectories, wrap the subdirectories in qoutes but after that is = where it all falls apart. My script seems to disregard the qoutes I put = in there and sees the spaces and then fails miserably. I haven't been able to get specifically named m3u files, but putting a = songs.m3u file in each directory will work just as good. I have tried 2 = scripts so far. One that wraps the directory in qoutes=20 "/usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851/" and one that builds the directory like Unix does when you tab out the = directory: /usr/test/W/Weatherman,\ The/Global\ 851/ SCRIPT 1 #!/bin/sh # # Catalog MP3 files on a directory basis # MP3_ROOT=3D"/usr/test" # Find Directories under /usr/test then wrap entire directory in qoutes = to encompass spaces for mp3_dir in `find $MP3_ROOT -type d -print | sed -e 's/^/\"/' -e = 's/$/\"/'` ; do # Find mp3 files in individual directories, clean them up for = playlist, dump to m3u file in that directory find $mp3_dir -iname '*.mp3' # | sed -e = 's;/usr/test;http://12.159.64.5;' -e 's/ /%20/g' > $mp3_dir/songs.m3u done When I run this script, though, this is what I get. -snip- root:/usr/test>./parse find: ./parse: cannot create "/usr/test"/songs.m3u: directory = nonexistent "/usr/test": No such file or directory find: ./parse: cannot create "/usr/test/W"/songs.m3u: directory = nonexistent "/usr/test/W": No such file or directory find: ./parse: cannot create "/usr/test/W/Wall/songs.m3u: directory = nonexistent "/usr/test/W/Wall: No such file or directory -snip SCRIPT 2 #!/bin/sh # # Catalog MP3 files on a directory basis # MP3_ROOT=3D"/usr/test" for mp3_dir in `find $MP3_ROOT -type d -print | sed -e 's/ /\\ /'` ; do find $mp3_dir -iname "*.mp3" | sed -e = 's;/usr/test;http://12.159.64.5;' -e 's/ /%20/g' > $mp3_dir/songs.m3u done And when I run this script -snip- find: ./parse: cannot create /usr/test/W/Wall/songs.m3u: directory = nonexistent /usr/test/W/Wall: No such file or directory find: ./parse: cannot create of/songs.m3u: directory nonexistent of: No such file or directory find: ./parse: cannot create Voodoo/songs.m3u: directory nonexistent Voodoo: No such file or directory -snip- ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175E9.D905A4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to bother you but I am going = crazy... I am=20 trying to write a simple script to traverse directories and create = playlist=20 files in those directories.  I have tried several things but keep = getting=20 errors.  I am obviously having issues with the spaces inside the = directory=20 names (see below for scripts I have triedand errors I am getting).  = Any=20 help you guys/gals could offer would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!  = (Oh,=20 please reply directly as I am not signed up for the mailing list, = probably would=20 be a good idea to do that though.)
 
OK, I have mp3 files n several = directories. =20 Here is a sample of directories.
 
/usr/test
/usr/test/W
/usr/test/W/Wall of=20 Voodoo
/usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent
/usr/test/W/Wall = of=20 Voodoo/WoV Live
/usr/test/W/Weatherman, = The
/usr/test/W/Weatherman,=20 The/Global 851
/usr/test/W/When in Rome
/usr/test/W/White=20 Town
/usr/test/W/Wil Smith
 
What I woudl like to do is have a = script search=20 each of the directories for mp3 files and dump that output into a = .m3u=20 (playlist file) in it.  for example..
 
/usr/test/test.m3u
/usr/test/W/W.m3u
/usr/test/W/Wall of=20 Voodoo/Wall of Voodoo.m3u
/usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark = Continent/Dark=20 Continent.m3u
/usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/WoV=20 Live.m3u
/usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Weatheran,=20 The.m3u
/usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851/Global=20 851.m3u
/usr/test/W/When in Rome/When in = Rome.m3u
/usr/test/W/White=20 Town/White Town.m3u
/usr/test/W/Wil Smith/Wil Smith.m3u
 
It is ok for parent directories to = include mp3s=20 from subdirectories... so Weatherman, The.m3u would also include the = mp3s in=20 it's subdirectory.
 
With help, I have been able to figure = out how to=20 get a list of the subdirectories, wrap the subdirectories in qoutes but = after=20 that is where it all falls apart.  My script seems to disregard the = qoutes=20 I put in there and sees the spaces and then fails = miserably.
 
I haven't been able to get specifically = named m3u=20 files, but putting a songs.m3u file in each directory will work just as=20 good.  I have tried 2 scripts so far.  One that wraps the = directory in=20 qoutes
"/usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global=20 851/"
and one that builds the directory like = Unix does=20 when you tab out the directory:
/usr/test/W/Weatherman,\ The/Global\=20 851/
 
SCRIPT 1
#!/bin/sh
       =20 #
        #  Catalog MP3 = files on a=20 directory basis
       =20 #
MP3_ROOT=3D"/usr/test"
# Find Directories under /usr/test then = wrap entire=20 directory in qoutes to encompass spaces
for mp3_dir in `find = $MP3_ROOT -type=20 d -print | sed -e 's/^/\"/' -e 's/$/\"/'` ; do
        = # Find=20 mp3 files in individual directories, clean them up for playlist, dump to = m3u=20 file in that directory
        = find=20 $mp3_dir -iname '*.mp3' # | sed -e  = 's;/usr/test;http://12.159.64.5;' -e=20 's/ /%20/g' > $mp3_dir/songs.m3u
done
 
When I run this script, though, this is = what I=20 get.
-snip-
root:/usr/test>./parse
find: = ./parse: cannot=20 create "/usr/test"/songs.m3u: directory nonexistent
"/usr/test": No = such file=20 or directory
find: ./parse: cannot create "/usr/test/W"/songs.m3u: = directory=20 nonexistent
"/usr/test/W": No such file or directory
find: = ./parse: cannot=20 create "/usr/test/W/Wall/songs.m3u: directory = nonexistent
"/usr/test/W/Wall:=20 No such file or directory
-snip
 
SCRIPT 2
#!/bin/sh
       =20 #
        #  Catalog MP3 = files on a=20 directory basis
       =20 #
MP3_ROOT=3D"/usr/test"
for mp3_dir in `find $MP3_ROOT -type d = -print | sed=20 -e 's/ /\\ /'` ; do
        find = $mp3_dir=20 -iname "*.mp3" | sed -e  's;/usr/test;http://12.159.64.5;' -e 's/ = /%20/g'=20 > $mp3_dir/songs.m3u
done
 
And when I run this script = -snip-
find: ./parse: cannot create=20 /usr/test/W/Wall/songs.m3u: directory nonexistent
/usr/test/W/Wall: = No such=20 file or directory
find: ./parse: cannot create of/songs.m3u: = directory=20 nonexistent
of: No such file or directory
find: ./parse: cannot = create=20 Voodoo/songs.m3u: directory nonexistent
Voodoo: No such file or=20 directory
-snip-
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message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:56:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rasmus.uib.no (rasmus.uib.no [129.177.12.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9537B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from root by rasmus.uib.no for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with local (Exim 3.16) id 168Bw5-0001or-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:55:57 +0100 From: exiscan@uib.no To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:55:57 +0100 X-Scanner: exiscan *168Bw5-0001or-00*nUxvqddJNsw* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An EMail directed to you, with subject 'Re', from , contained a virus or other harmful content. The virus was sent from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no [129.177.46.31] ID: 168Bw2-0001on-00 exiscan@uib.no can be contacted for further information. -=----------= START OF SCANNER OUTPUT =-------------=- ----------textfile1 ----------stuff.MP3.pif File stuff.MP3.pif is infected by virus: KeyLog DLL.Trojan Total Files Scanned: 2 Total Viruses Found: 1 Total Infected Files Found: 1 Scan Mode: Secure *** End Of Summary *** HEADERS OF THE INFECTED MAIL Received: from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no (aol.com) [129.177.46.31] by rasmus.uib.no for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with smtp (Exim 3.16) id 168Bw2-0001on-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:55:54 +0100 From: "Jan Øyvind Åkre" <_jan.akre@student.uib.no> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:55:54 +0100 -=-----------= END OF SCANNER OUTPUT =--------------=- -- Message generated by exiscan (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) at the University of Bergen using Inoculan/ETrust More info about the virii: http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 18:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rasmus.uib.no (rasmus.uib.no [129.177.12.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C4237B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from root by rasmus.uib.no for questions@FreeBSD.org with local (Exim 3.16) id 168Bwr-0001rx-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:45 +0100 From: exiscan@uib.no To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:45 +0100 X-Scanner: exiscan *168Bwr-0001rx-00*Ytz5OQXmJRY* http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An EMail directed to you, with subject 'Re', from , contained a virus or other harmful content. The virus was sent from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no [129.177.46.31] ID: 168Bwo-0001rY-00 exiscan@uib.no can be contacted for further information. -=----------= START OF SCANNER OUTPUT =-------------=- ----------textfile1 ----------README.MP3.scr File README.MP3.scr is infected by virus: KeyLog DLL.Trojan Total Files Scanned: 2 Total Viruses Found: 1 Total Infected Files Found: 1 Scan Mode: Secure *** End Of Summary *** HEADERS OF THE INFECTED MAIL Received: from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no (aol.com) [129.177.46.31] by rasmus.uib.no for questions@FreeBSD.org with smtp (Exim 3.16) id 168Bwo-0001rY-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 From: "Jan Øyvind Åkre" <_jan.akre@student.uib.no> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 -=-----------= END OF SCANNER OUTPUT =--------------=- -- Message generated by exiscan (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) at the University of Bergen using Inoculan/ETrust More info about the virii: http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 19:28:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mrtwig.citlink.net (mrtwig.citlink.net [207.173.229.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC3037B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net ([207.173.248.249]) by mrtwig.citlink.net (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license a3e2d54ac3b1df4217e834deb9d77e31) with ESMTP id <20011126033320.HQEB60244.mrtwig@blacklamb.mykitchentable.net>; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:33:20 -0600 Received: from tagalong (unknown [192.168.1.11]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78C36EE653; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:29:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "FreeBSD Questions" References: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:28:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Accepting syslog messages from a router > I have my router set to send messages to syslog on my FreeBSD system when > connect attempts and the like are discarded, but nothing is being logged. When > I look at traffic with tcpdump, there are lots of messages being sent to FreeBSD > by the router, but I don't know where they are going. What do I have to do to > make this work? > > Currently I have syslogd starting with "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*" as options (the router > is at 10.0.0.30). The router is supposed to be sending messages as facility > local1, so I have > > local1.* /var/log/router.log I am not sure if this will work for you or not but try this: +local1 *.* /var/log/router.log I think you have to identify the facility with the "+". Then on the next line, "*.*" says "log everything" to your file. HTH, Drew > in the syslog.conf file. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Is there a tool that will show me the contents of the packets being sent by the > router, so I can see exactly what facility and text it is actually sending? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 19:30:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f263.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBD437B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:23 -0800 Received: from 203.168.20.127 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:30:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.168.20.127] From: "midrash midrash" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Kde Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 03:30:23.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE8A0770:01C1762A] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG when i start my X server with xwrapper or xdm it doesnt load kde. i already have ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession. ----------- my .xsession-errors --------------- Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server xsetroot: unable to open display ':0' Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server xset: unable to open display ":0" Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server ksplash: cannot connect to X server :0 kdeinit: Launched DCOPServer, pid = 428 result = 0 _KDE_IceTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed _KDE_IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running Cannot establish any listening sockets DCOPServer self-test failed. kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. kdeinit: Launched DCOPServer, pid = 435 result = 0 _KDE_IceTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed _KDE_IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running Cannot establish any listening sockets DCOPServer self-test failed. kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server ksmserver: cannot connect to X server :0 connect() failed: : Connection refused------------ eof ------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 19:47:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40F637B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:47:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [141.150.208.208] ([141.150.208.208]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id VAA64663785 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:45:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200111260345.VAA64663785@smtppop3pub.verizon.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:52:22 -0500 From: Skip Ford To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp collecting IP addresses... Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from nils@tisys.org on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 12:29:53AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nils Holland wrote: > > When I was routinely changing the configuration of the Ethernet interface > on my ppp-enabled machine, I entered "ifconfig" and saw something like > that: > > tun0: flags=8051 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::210:5aff:feb3:1695%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 > inet 192.168.0.1 --> 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 212.68.69.166 --> 255.255.255.255 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 212.68.71.5 --> 255.255.255.255 netmask 0xffffffff > inet 212.68.69.218 --> 255.255.255.255 netmask 0xffffffff Adding 'disable iface-alias' to ppp.conf seems to work. - -- Skip ID: 0x7EDDDB0A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAjwBvG8ACgkQBMKxVH7d2wqdogCgqSFhQmgzNYCMehCh8nSPbgkT lcAAn34SUB5aMRFifv7bveMPJCGimZmd =h0FT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 19:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.austclear.com.au (ns1.austclear.com.au [192.43.185.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7037B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from tungsten.austclear.com.au (tungsten.austclear.com.au [192.168.166.65]) by ns1.austclear.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQ3vhY81110; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:57:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from ahl@austclear.com.au) Received: from tungsten (tungsten [192.168.166.65]) by tungsten.austclear.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03582; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:57:42 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200111260357.OAA03582@tungsten.austclear.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router In-Reply-To: Message from "Drew Tomlinson" of "Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:28:43 -0800." <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:57:42 +1100 From: Tony Landells Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is the actual command line for the running syslogd? If you also have "-s" (which is set by default in /etc/defaults/rc.conf) then syslogd won't accept connections from other servers. If you don't have "-s", then try running syslogd with no options to check whether you get anything, which will at least tell you whether it's your command line or syslog.conf that needs fixing. Tony -- Tony Landells Senior Network Engineer Ph: +61 3 9677 9319 Australian Clearing Services Pty Ltd Fax: +61 3 9677 9355 Level 4, Rialto North Tower 525 Collins Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 19:59:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ideal.net.au (ion.ideal.net.au [203.20.241.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58D537B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from helium.ideal.net.au (helium.staff.ideal.net.au [202.3.35.2]) by mail.ideal.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA65837 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:59:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chris@ideal.net.au) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126145236.03933008@mail.ideal.net.au> X-Sender: chris@mail.ideal.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:59:23 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Aitken Subject: Spawning an application with a shell in tow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have a bit of a problem that ive narrowed it down to a small part. I have a perl script that needs to spawn off the expect application. This works great when I execute it from command line on my FreeBSD box, but when I try and launch it from my cgi-bin from the web server (apache) expect barfs because it doesnt have a shell (expect needs a loaded shell to work properly). Is there any way to spawn off my command so that it utilises a shell, or some sort of shell equivilant so expect can run... This is how im executing the script.... $foo = `/usr/local/bin/expect /scripts/bar.exp Arg1 Arg2`; When I check the apache error logs I get this.... can't read "env(SHELL)": no such variable while executing "spawn $env(SHELL)" Any help on this would be appreciated. Cheers Chris -- Chris Aitken - Administration/Database Designer - IDEAL Internet email: chris@ideal.net.au phone: +61 2 4628 8888 fax: +61 2 4628 8890 __-----------------------------------------__ # ln -s /dev/null /bin/laden If you don't like my typing, all flames to /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20: 6:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572D37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fAQ46B683324 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:06:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:06:10 -0500 (EST) From: doug X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All of the modules listed below were commited in the time between my cvsup runs. The date tag apparently works on what is put in the CVS version line not when the commit is really made. So using date= does not really mean no new updates will be picked up. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 doug@safeport.com wrote: > I guess I do not understand the time stamps on the updates in a CVS > repository. Could someone straighten me out??? > > I ran a cvsup with no date to pick up a change made to nvi. The latest > timestamp I found in the cvsup log was 2001.11.24.20.26.57. So I added > > *default date=2001.11.25.00.00.00, > > ran another cvsup and got the following: > > Updating collection src-all/cvs > Edit src/sys/isa/sio.c > Add delta 1.291.2.22 2001.11.02.16.45.05 jlemon > Edit src/sys/net/if_tun.c > Add delta 1.74.2.6 2001.11.23.13.13.19 brian > Edit src/usr.bin/ftp/complete.c > Add delta 1.5 99.08.28.01.01.30 peter > Edit src/usr.sbin/dev_mkdb/dev_mkdb.8 > Add delta 1.5.2.2 2001.07.22.12.40.55 dd > Edit src/usr.sbin/dev_mkdb/dev_mkdb.c > Add delta 1.4 99.08.28.01.16.04 peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:12:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (chmls20.mediaone.net [24.147.1.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC2C37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQ4DMx06091 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQ4CAw02712; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:12:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:12:09 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011126041209.GB886@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/25/01 02:45 PM, tyler spivey sat at the `puter and typed: > is this a frequent occurents on this list? > just wondering. and is there some page that will tell me how to parse ema= il headers/ >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message =20 Fairly regular. You might want to check out the following: Procmail: http://www.procmail.org (I think) - it's in the ports spambnc in the ports junkfilter also in the ports Procmail is the filter tool itself, the others are sets of procmail recipes designed to filter out spam. These often work on a rotating set of domains that are allowing spam, and usually need to be updated regularly. Someone also mentioned SpamAssasin - google should turn it up easily enough. FTR, I tried junkfilter, and the only thing it caught was the freebsd questions mail - all of it. Might have been my bad, but . . . I just worked up a set of my own basic spam recipes for procmail, and a blacklist and whitelist. Certainly made a dent, but I suspect no tool will get all of it without getting some false positives (tossing the mail you meant to keep). HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Grelb's Commentary: Likelihoods, however, are 90% against you. --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AcEZeAPWYrNkRWIRAo4WAJwNLnhRBPqVIYgS1ZDJb+694csjmwCcCqhs OIFXHcjwyUDYHqbQ0S8L2Dg= =yFFp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:15: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2517E37B416; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQ4Ek125298; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQ4Erg02759; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:53 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-ID: <20011126041452.GC886@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, that's rich! On 11/26/01 03:56 AM, exiscan@uib.no sat at the `puter and typed: > An EMail directed to you, with subject > 'Re', > from , contained a virus or other harmful conten= t. >=20 > The virus was sent from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no [129.177.46.31] > ID: 168Bwo-0001rY-00 > exiscan@uib.no can be contacted for further information. >=20 >=20 > -=3D----------=3D START OF SCANNER OUTPUT =3D-------------=3D- > ----------textfile1 > ----------README.MP3.scr > File README.MP3.scr is infected by virus: KeyLog DLL.Trojan > =20 > Total Files Scanned: 2 > Total Viruses Found: 1 > Total Infected Files Found: 1 > Scan Mode: Secure > =20 > *** End Of Summary *** > =20 > =20 > HEADERS OF THE INFECTED MAIL > =20 > Received: from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no (aol.com) [129.177.46.31]=20 > by rasmus.uib.no for questions@FreeBSD.org with smtp (Exim 3.16) > id 168Bwo-0001rY-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 > From: "Jan =D8yvind =C5kre" <_jan.akre@student.uib.no> > To: questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type=3D"multipart/alternative"; > boundary=3D"=3D=3D=3D=3D_ABC1234567890DEF_=3D=3D=3D=3D" > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Unsent: 1 > Message-Id: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -=3D-----------=3D END OF SCANNER OUTPUT =3D--------------=3D- > =20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Message generated by exiscan (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) > at the University of Bergen using Inoculan/ETrust > More info about the virii: http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/ >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >=20 >=20 --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AcG8eAPWYrNkRWIRAqY/AJ0WVlLbi4ewFPezuWSPSmNoeTTF+QCbBl7C CHwxuC2pUHgf9m3v8brp6Uo= =N4Cp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:15: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2517E37B416; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQ4Ek125298; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQ4Erg02759; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:14:53 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-ID: <20011126041452.GC886@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, that's rich! On 11/26/01 03:56 AM, exiscan@uib.no sat at the `puter and typed: > An EMail directed to you, with subject > 'Re', > from , contained a virus or other harmful conten= t. >=20 > The virus was sent from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no [129.177.46.31] > ID: 168Bwo-0001rY-00 > exiscan@uib.no can be contacted for further information. >=20 >=20 > -=3D----------=3D START OF SCANNER OUTPUT =3D-------------=3D- > ----------textfile1 > ----------README.MP3.scr > File README.MP3.scr is infected by virus: KeyLog DLL.Trojan > =20 > Total Files Scanned: 2 > Total Viruses Found: 1 > Total Infected Files Found: 1 > Scan Mode: Secure > =20 > *** End Of Summary *** > =20 > =20 > HEADERS OF THE INFECTED MAIL > =20 > Received: from tunnel-46-31.vpn.uib.no (aol.com) [129.177.46.31]=20 > by rasmus.uib.no for questions@FreeBSD.org with smtp (Exim 3.16) > id 168Bwo-0001rY-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 > From: "Jan =D8yvind =C5kre" <_jan.akre@student.uib.no> > To: questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type=3D"multipart/alternative"; > boundary=3D"=3D=3D=3D=3D_ABC1234567890DEF_=3D=3D=3D=3D" > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Unsent: 1 > Message-Id: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:42 +0100 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -=3D-----------=3D END OF SCANNER OUTPUT =3D--------------=3D- > =20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Message generated by exiscan (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) > at the University of Bergen using Inoculan/ETrust > More info about the virii: http://www.ca.com/virusinfo/encyclopedia/ >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >=20 >=20 --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AcG8eAPWYrNkRWIRAqY/AJ0WVlLbi4ewFPezuWSPSmNoeTTF+QCbBl7C CHwxuC2pUHgf9m3v8brp6Uo= =N4Cp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:16:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8847B37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA46424 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:37:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Hovey To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam In-Reply-To: <20011126041209.GB886@keyslapper.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a daily issue of it in my work.. Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, an act of gymnastics.. Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... Never do business with a spammer..=20 Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > On 11/25/01 02:45 PM, tyler spivey sat at the `puter and typed: > > is this a frequent occurents on this list? > > just wondering. and is there some page that will tell me how to parse e= mail headers/ > >=20 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > =20 > Fairly regular. You might want to check out the following: > Procmail: http://www.procmail.org (I think) - it's in the ports > spambnc in the ports > junkfilter also in the ports >=20 > Procmail is the filter tool itself, the others are sets of procmail > recipes designed to filter out spam. These often work on a rotating > set of domains that are allowing spam, and usually need to be updated > regularly. >=20 > Someone also mentioned SpamAssasin - google should turn it up easily > enough. >=20 > FTR, I tried junkfilter, and the only thing it caught was the freebsd > questions mail - all of it. Might have been my bad, but . . . >=20 > I just worked up a set of my own basic spam recipes for procmail, and > a blacklist and whitelist. Certainly made a dent, but I suspect no > tool will get all of it without getting some false positives (tossing > the mail you meant to keep). >=20 > HTH > Lou > --=20 > Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org > Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) > http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC >=20 > Grelb's Commentary: > Likelihoods, however, are 90% against you. >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:24:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85B837B41C for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168DK1-0005CR-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:24:45 +0100 Received: from pd9017296.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.114.150]) by mrvdom00.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168DK1-0002m6-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:24:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:22:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: Chris Peterson Cc: Subject: Re: FTP install silently fails and then installer has DNS resolution problems? In-Reply-To: <000b01c1760b$7a8be1b0$a586fa18@chris> Message-ID: <20011126031645.U44699-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Chris Peterson wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.4 over FTP. Unfortunately, I can never > complete the install because the install step to FTP all the files fails > repeatedly. The computer is behind a NAT, so I am using passive FTP and DHCP > behind the NAT. > > After I select FTP from ftp.freebsd.org, everything seems to be working. > About half way through copying the files for the / partition, the installer > unexpectedly asks me to choose an FTP server again. I choose ftp.freebsd.org > again, but now the installer cannot resolve any DNS names, even > ftp.freebsd.org which worked a few minutes earlier. I have reproduced this > problem six times out of six attempts.. I have seen something similar when I tried to do a network installation. Try to type your ftp-server's IP instead of its domain name. ftp4.freebsd.org would be 205.149.189.91 Regards, Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:37:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3302F37B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from 372b401 ([12.79.160.100]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011126043717.DBOJ5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@372b401> for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:37:17 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c17634$11fdb0a0$46a04f0c@372b401> From: "Edward Tottle" To: Subject: Visual Basic? Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:59:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sir, Does BSD have an application similar to Visual Basic for programming in a GUI environment? Thank you. eltottle@att.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:41:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ideal.net.au (ion.ideal.net.au [203.20.241.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E8B37B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from helium.ideal.net.au (helium.staff.ideal.net.au [202.3.35.2]) by mail.ideal.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA68131 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:41:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chris@ideal.net.au) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126153909.03a53fc0@mail.ideal.net.au> X-Sender: chris@mail.ideal.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:41:47 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Aitken Subject: Re: Spawning an application with a shell in tow In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126145236.03933008@mail.ideal.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:59 PM 26/11/2001, you wrote: >Is there any way to spawn off my command so that it utilises a shell, or >some sort of shell equivilant so expect can run... This is how im >executing the script.... I had a reply suggesting I add a sh -c to the front of my spawning which seems to partly solve my problem but ive noticed another occurance in the error logs of apache which I cannot explain.. [snip date shite] Premature end of script headers: /location/to/script.cgi No matter if the script has EVERYTHING hashed out, it comes up with this error, and in the browser barfs with an internal server error.... however, if I execute the perl script command line on the freebsd box, it executes perfectly.... execute it from the web server and it dies... any ideas ? Thanks Chris -- Chris Aitken - Administration/Database Designer - IDEAL Internet email: chris@ideal.net.au phone: +61 2 4628 8888 fax: +61 2 4628 8890 __-----------------------------------------__ # ln -s /dev/null /bin/laden If you don't like my typing, all flames to /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:42: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE3137B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQ4gP822832 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQ4fZq02956 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:41:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:41:35 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011126044135.GD886@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126041209.GB886@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/25/01 11:16 PM, Stephen Hovey sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a > daily issue of it in my work.. >=20 > Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, > an act of gymnastics.. >=20 > Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER > sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >=20 > Never do business with a spammer..=20 >=20 > Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. All good points, but that doesn't address the point that spammers are unscrupulous individuals (and who would want to do business with such a person?) who think nothing of getting their advertising by *STEALING* the resources of every system that has to handle their email outside of their ISP. The courts have stated that it is illegal for companies to market their product by using dialers to fax fliers to every fax number they can, what makes email that much different? Sure, they aren't wasting my paper, but they are stealing space on my hard drive and stealing my bandwidth (however little). Stealing is stealing, wether it's a penny or a car. I know I'm probably burning more cycles on my system trying to filter it out, but it's a principle. I'd rather do that than give them the satisfaction of actually getting their crap in front of me. Now let's move on to the content. That recent message wasn't particularly offensive, but what makes them think they are targeting their advertising appropriately? 99.9% of the time, that stuff is so poorly targeted, the people behind it should be fired on principle alone. Some moron just sent one to the OpenSSL list asking for marketing oriented cross links. How stupid is that? Now, the vast majority of the spam I get is porn related. Now that offends me. Not that I'm opposed to the existence of an adult entertainment industry, but would they be allowed to send this content in bulk mailings thru the USPS? I doubt it. They don't even consider that many of the people getting their messages are children. Yes, children. I'm in my 30s and I still find it offensive to have this thrown at me like this. If I want to buy anything in this category, I'll darn well go find it. I don't like seeing it tossed about like this when I have a 2 year old that could be walking up behind my wife at the computer when some spam loaded with javascript decides to help her out by starting the browser and asking her to join a bondage group. That's offensive. Don't get into the whole 'she should use a real mail client' thing. Rare as you'll hear me admit it, Windows point&clickers have just as much right to the internet as any of us. Hell, someone just sent a damn Windoze virus to the list, so go figure! So, yes, there MUST be tools out there to help minimize this crap until the government (all of them) decide to finally think the subject thru with just a little bit of intelligence and see that the business of spam is damaging, offensive, dishonest, and is so ineffective that it should simply not be allowed. And I *don't* think the original post was too far OT, but I realize this thread is going that way, so I'll wrap up. I could also go on and on as to the offenses and logic and all that other crap, but I just realized I'm also on the verge of starting a holy war on this thread, so goodbye. Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Every living thing wants to survive. -- Spock, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3 --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Acf/eAPWYrNkRWIRAg6qAJwJ6RhvdgNzNI/v86428IZ3JBXZFwCeIrpa a/2SrJW1tQ1nO7j+L+ZBblw= =3E4J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZwgA9U+XZDXt4+m+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:58: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC2037B419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAQ4w1L87780; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:58:01 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: Chris Aitken Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spawning an application with a shell in tow In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126153909.03a53fc0@mail.ideal.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Chris Aitken wrote: > At 02:59 PM 26/11/2001, you wrote: > > >Is there any way to spawn off my command so that it utilises a shell, or > >some sort of shell equivilant so expect can run... This is how im > >executing the script.... > > I had a reply suggesting I add a sh -c to the front of my spawning > which seems to partly solve my problem but ive noticed another > occurance in the error logs of apache which I cannot explain.. > > [snip date shite] Premature end of script headers: > /location/to/script.cgi > > No matter if the script has EVERYTHING hashed out, it comes up with > this error, and in the browser barfs with an internal server error.... > > however, if I execute the perl script command line on the freebsd box, > it executes perfectly.... execute it from the web server and it > dies... > > > any ideas ? It needs to output: Content-Type: text/plain\n Before any ouput of the cgi script. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 20:58:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61DA37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168Dqs-0007cs-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:58:42 +0100 Received: from pd9017296.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.114.150]) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168Dqr-0006tr-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:58:42 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:56:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: Edward Tottle Cc: Subject: Re: Visual Basic? In-Reply-To: <001f01c17634$11fdb0a0$46a04f0c@372b401> Message-ID: <20011126034557.J44699-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Edward Tottle wrote: > Does BSD have an application similar to Visual Basic for programming in a > GUI environment? The "problem" is, you may program about anything in and on FreeBSD yourself. To give you a first idea of FreeBSD's possibilities have a look at www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html and - if you like - www.freebsd.org/ports/java.html On lang.html you will find a long list of supported and *free* computer-languages, java.html is specialized on JAVA. Regards, Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 21:26:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F4137B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com ([24.6.228.202]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011126052627.GFIQ539.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com> for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:26:27 -0800 Subject: Getting keys mapped correctly Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Sean LeBlanc X-mda: Mail::Internet Mail::Sendmail Sendmail +mmhack 1.1 on Linux Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Mime-version: 1.0 Content-disposition: inline Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:32:58 -0700 Message-id: <20011125223258.A9588@hostwiththemost> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm having some difficulties getting things right when I'm at the console only. I run mutt and Emacs a lot. Most things work for me in the shell (bash) as a normal user. However, if I try to run Emacs and mutt I run into all kinds of trouble. Both look terrible, unless I switch TERM to scoansi (this is something Lehey's book mentions). Once I do that, keys work fine, and apps look okay. The only issue is: no color. Is there any way I can remedy this? BTW, all is well when I do this from, say, Konsole or xterm in KDE. I get color and the keys are working correctly. Term is xterm-color in these apps, BTW. -- Sean LeBlanc:seanleblanc@home.com Yahoo:seanleblancathome ICQ:138565743 MSN:seanleblancathome AIM:sleblancathome To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 22:12:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83EC37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD7077900128; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:13:04 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: what is the DCOPserver Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:12:17 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111252213415.SM03488@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have fbsd 4.4-r with xfce-3.8.6 as my wm, also have kde and gnome insta= lled=20 so I can run certain programs. When I run Konsole I get the following err= or: There was a error setting up inter-process communications for kde. the er= ror=20 was: could not read network connection list. /home/wayne/.DCOPserver_wayne.gibson.org_:0 please check that the DCOPserver program is running There's no man entry for DCOP or DCOPserver. What is the DCOPserver? Is this something that has to be stared by rc.con= f or=20 services or whatever? I then hit the okay button (kde is toooooo much lik= e=20 winblows - why an ok button when it's obviously not okay?), the konsole l= oads=20 up fine. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 22:14:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wombat.bytecraft.au.com (wombat.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940DD37B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lt99101401.bytecraft.au.com (unknown [203.39.118.42]) by wombat.bytecraft.au.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 98B8F3F77; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> Reply-To: "MurrayTaylor" From: "MurrayTaylor" To: "tyler spivey" , References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Subject: Re: this spam Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:05 +1100 Organization: Bytecraft Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG IFF you are running the Cyrus IMAP server you get the Sieve stuff too which is quite helpful.... RFC3028 details most of it ----- Original Message ----- From: "tyler spivey" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: this spam > is this a frequent occurents on this list? > just wondering. and is there some page that will tell me how to parse email headers/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 22:19:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37A737B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AEF6550A00E0; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:19:34 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Eterm error when going su Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:18:47 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111252219368.SM03488@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have Eterm 0.9.1 installed and working. but when I su I get the followi= ng=20 error: _su: cannot open /etc/termcap. _su: using dumb terminal settings. /etc/termcap is symlinked to /usr/share/misc/termcap. The permissions are= set=20 to read and execute by all. Any ideas what this means and how I can fix it? -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 22:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F81637B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644282B775; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:31:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5B66013D; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:31:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:31:31 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Louis LeBlanc Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-ID: <20011126173131.E579@k7.mavetju.org> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Louis LeBlanc , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126041452.GC886@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011126041452.GC886@keyslapper.org>; from leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:14:53PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:14:53PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > Oh, that's rich! And replying to it, full message quoted, without any usefull information added to it, that's a smart thing to do too. (in case you're wondering, that's sarcasm showing you that it wasn't a good thing to do) Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 22:58: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACE037B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-008dcwashp081.dialsprint.net ([63.178.91.169] helo=moo.holy.cow) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168FiI-0006Pr-00; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:57:59 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3319450CF0; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:59:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:59:41 -0500 From: parv To: Edwin Groothuis Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTIFICATION: Virus stopped Message-ID: <20011126015941.A4921@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126041452.GC886@keyslapper.org> <20011126173131.E579@k7.mavetju.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126173131.E579@k7.mavetju.org>; from edwin@mavetju.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:31:31PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in message <20011126173131.E579@k7.mavetju.org>, wrote Edwin Groothuis thusly... > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:14:53PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > > Oh, that's rich! > > And replying to it, full message quoted, without any usefull > information added to it, that's a smart thing to do too. (in case > you're wondering, that's sarcasm showing you that it wasn't a good > thing to do) very funny, edwin. seriously ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:11:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F0837B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ7BSR43500; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:11:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joost Bekkers" Cc: "Chuck Root" , Subject: RE: IPFW/VLAN Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:11:27 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c17649$90e06600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011125184640.A3977@bps.jodocus.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joost, This is a tremendous simplification of the issue and isn't correct either. I'm going to split hairs here and explain it in gory detail because there's others that may wonder how FreeBSD bridging might be used with their networks. The type field is an ETHERNET, not an IP, standard. Now, ARP packets, by the standards definition, (RFC 826) are not permitted to cross networks. (they are actually supposed to stay within physical networks but the concept of bridging sort of bends that rule) So, the idea that their type field would change as the packet traveled through an internetwork is a moot issue - it can't because an ARP packet can't travel through an internetwork. However, if they _were_ allowed to be forwarded (as other TCP/IP broadcasts can be forwarded if the router is set to allow it) then their type would change, same as IP packets type would change, if they were forwarded on different media. In short, the Ethernet type has nothing to do with whether or not the packet is considered an IP packet. The Ethernet type is only for IP packets that happen to traverse an Ethernet network, it's a concept that's bound to Ethernet. If you look at the original e-mail from Robert Watson, you will note that he does a bit of hand-waving on this issue, in fact specifically mentioning ARP is passed. The simple reason they can get away with this is because ARP packets are never supposed to be routed and are always supposed to be bridged. So, it made someone's life a whole lot easier to pretend that ARP packets aren't IP packets, even though they are. In reality, what they are actually doing here is tying ipfw specifically to Ethernet when it comes to treatment of ARP packets. This is philosophically wrong as a FreeBSD system could theoredically have a broadcast-type interface on it in which ARP had meaning and Ethernet typing didn't. (for example, if someone wrote an ARCnet driver for it, which is highly unlikely) But you can't let philosophy get in the way of a running system, and the default rule of treating ARP like a non-IP packet works, so that's why it's done. But don't get the idea that just because ipfw treats ARP as a non-IP packet that it is. ipfw is not the authoratative source of what constitutes a TCP/IP packet. Also, if you think about it you will realize that modification of ipfw to filter IP packets that are _bridged_ is a ugly hack too. Bridges are supposed to be packet-neutral, and filtering should occur based on the MAC address, nothing else. Anything other than that is a layer 3 function and properly the domain of a router. However, the pressing need for so-called "transparent" firewalls has created a real need for this and it's easier to modify ipfw to filter bridged IP traffic - even though it ties it to a media type - than to write a specific "transparent firewall" kind of filter that's completely tied to Ethernet interfaces only. The biggest loss of NOT having an Ethernet-specific ipfw-like filtering program, is that there's no convenient vehicle to use for adding in code for filtering based on MAC addresses, which is certainly the domain of a bridge. There's a growing need in FreeBSD to write an ipfw-like program that is for Ethernet interfaces only and that handles MAC address filtering, spanning tree, VLAN filtering, and other Ethernet-specific protocols. Handling NetBIOS and IPX filtering would be a real plus too, although that would make it _very_ kludgy. (but no worse than ipfw in my opinion) In summary, there's really only one use of the bridging code in FreeBSD - the manufacture of transparent firewalls. Don't get fooled by the word "bridging" in the FreeBSD documentation - FreeBSD lacks a significant amount of what network managers have come to expect that a real Ethernet bridge can do. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Joost Bekkers [mailto:joost@bps.jodocus.org] >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:47 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Chuck Root; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: IPFW/VLAN > > >On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 09:23:17AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> > >> >The reason why 802.1q packets don't get filtered is this: >> >The bridge code only sends ip packets through the firewall, all >> >others (802.1q;ipx;arp;ipv6;....) will be passed no matter what. >> > >> >> Ahem - ARP is an IP protocol... >> > >To you and me it is. To the network however it is not. >Ip has an ether_type of 0x0800 >Arp has an ether_type of 0x0806 > > >-- >greetz Joost >joost@jodocus.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:26:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6682637B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ7QGR43531; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:26:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Christopher Farley" , "Noor Dawod" Cc: Subject: RE: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c1764b$a22764c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000e01c1760a$0d14ebf0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony >Atkielski >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:37 PM >To: Christopher Farley; Noor Dawod >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > > >I have always had excellent luck with Hewlett-Packard DAT drives. As long as >you don't reuse tapes beyond their useful lives (whatever number of >passes the >manufacturer recommends, usually several hundred at least), and keep >the drive >clean per HP's instructions, it is very reliable. > I have used Exabyte, HP, Sony, Archive, and a few other 4 and 8mm helical scan DAT drives over the past 10 years at various companies I've worked at. HP DAT drives on average are no better or worse than any other heli-scan DAT drive. DAT drives are fine for light-duty backup tasks, such as a full backup once a month and an incremental once a week (or whenever the network admin feels like it) However ALL heli-scan DAT drives WILL eventually get out of alignment. This is exactly what happens to a VCR. With VCR's though, they are so cheap you just toss them in the trash and buy another. DAT drives are something else. If you have only a single DAT drive in your setup you likely will not notice this problem until the drive is very, very, very out of alignment. But if you have multiple DAT drives you will notice it rather quickly espically if each drive comes from a different manufacturer, because each will go out of alignment differently. The result is that after a year or so of _heavy_ use (and I'm talking 2/3 to full usage of a tape cartridge every night) each tape drive will not be able to read tapes from the other drive in it. Each drive will of course continue to be able to read it's OWN tapes. The problem will continue to progress until eventually the drive claims that every tape you put in it - including ones that are brand new - have a large number of bad blocks on them. Heli-scan technology was a good thing when it came out, but today there's DLT which is much better in terms of reliability in a production environment. If you must use DAT, then keep an eye on the number of bad blocks that the drive reports were found during a backup operation. When that figure starts to rise then get the tape drive realigned before you start tossing tapes. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Farley" >To: "Noor Dawod" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 22:13 >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > > >> Noor Dawod (noor@comrax.com) wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I want to buy a SCSI tape backup (DAT) for our server. Can >anyone recommend >> > a good one? fast and reliable that works under FreeBSD. >> >> I think just about any SCSI tape drive will work under FreeBSD. >> I've used a couple different types of SCSI drives (DAT, DLT) under >> FreeBSD and found it to be utterly painless to set them up. >> >> > While we're at it, how do you back up to one of these tape drives? >> >> In believe FreeBSD recognizes a SCSI tape drive as /dev/nrsa0. >> >> Most of the tape backup programs (certainly dump, maybe tar and cpio) >> use the correct device by default. >> >> The mt command (man mt) is also useful for manipulating the tape drive >> (checking the status, positioning the tape to the right file, rewinding >> or retensioning the tape, etc). >> >> -- >> Christopher Farley >> www.northernbrewer.com >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:40:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECAF37B405 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from trine (213-187-161-49.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.161.49]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B777E15 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:40:34 +0100 (MET) From: "Kjell" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:46:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Reply-To: kjell@la3sg.net Message-ID: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG List members! I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and turn it back on again when power returns. I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. Does anyone have any experience with these programs? Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? Regards from Kjell (LA3SG) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:49:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8520F37B417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 36129 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 07:49:04 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15361.62448.90570.917298@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:49:04 -0600 To: "Totally Jayyness" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help In-Reply-To: <66931026@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Totally Jayyness types: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C175E9.D905A4A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Sorry to bother you but I am going crazy... I am trying to write a = It would be less bother if you fixed your mailer to send just one copy of the message as plain text, instead of one copy as plain text and another as HTML. At least it wasn't pure HTML. > simple script to traverse directories and create playlist files in those = > directories. I have tried several things but keep getting errors. I am = > obviously having issues with the spaces inside the directory names (see = Yup. That makes things more difficult. > OK, I have mp3 files n several directories. Here is a sample of = > directories. > > /usr/test > /usr/test/W > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live > /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The > /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851 > /usr/test/W/When in Rome > /usr/test/W/White Town > /usr/test/W/Wil Smith > > What I woudl like to do is have a script search each of the directories = > for mp3 files and dump that output into a .m3u (playlist file) in it. = > for example.. > > /usr/test/test.m3u > /usr/test/W/W.m3u > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Wall of Voodoo.m3u > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/Dark Continent.m3u > /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/WoV Live.m3u > /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Weatheran, The.m3u > /usr/test/W/Weatherman, The/Global 851/Global 851.m3u > /usr/test/W/When in Rome/When in Rome.m3u > /usr/test/W/White Town/White Town.m3u > /usr/test/W/Wil Smith/Wil Smith.m3u > > It is ok for parent directories to include mp3s from subdirectories... = > so Weatherman, The.m3u would also include the mp3s in it's subdirectory. This has been gone over recently. The problem is shell evaluation in loops doesn't work the obvious way. Or possibly at all. So you have to get the names with spaces in them in a variable *outside* of the loops. Read works nicely for this: #!/bin/sh find . -type d -print | while read x do (cd "$x"; ls *.mp3 > "$x.m3u") done Read solves the problems with spaces and loops. I put the cd and ls in parens to get it in a subshell so the next iteration of the loop will happen in the top directory. It might not be required, but I'm paranoid. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:50:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE4937B416 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75173D43 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:50:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:50:35 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <20011125171037.A97187@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: [snip] > > Yes - in fact, gv doesn't even link against libpng, so I'm not sure > > what's going on with your binary. > > I bet gv is actually fine, but the problem is actually with the > ghostscript port which is used to do the actual PS rendering. > ghostscript uses png. That sounds entirely possible. In fact I'll now update ghostview and try again. > The moral of the story is that when you upgrade one port, you must > cvsup your entire ports collection and upgrade all ports which depend > on it. That also sounds sensible. > The easiest way to do this is probably portupgrade -r I think my point is this: - why isn't this enforced by the ports collection? - why is it currenlty allowed - why do the ports collection allow you to have two "conflicting" ports installed at the same time - this really causes the problem I've encountered. - ideally you shouldn't be allowed to uninstall/upgrade a port on which other ports depend, unless as you say you upgrade the dependent ports too. I think this information should be available at make install or make deinstall time. Using pkg_tree, I've found that my current system is "a real mess". I've not been using FreeBSD that long, since 3.4-RELEASE, and even in that time I've seen several problems of this type. In fact while I have 207 packages installed in my system I currently have 240 unsatisfied dependencies (as witnessed by 'pkg_tree | grep unknown | wc -l'). I'm not sure whether I should take this to mean that I shouldn't follow -STABLE, or quite what, but it does concern me that other packages I have installed may be in the same situation. If they are libraries and only minor version is different then the may be no problem. This is one aspect where I think rpm is much better. I know I've taken this somewhat off-topic. Thanks for helping me out on my understanding of the problem. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 25 23:50:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from www.stonehenge-net.com (dsl081-053-198.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.53.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE45A37B41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by www.stonehenge-net.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQ7nWT03173; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:49:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@stonehenge-net.com) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: ben X-X-Sender: ben@www To: Kjell Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> Message-ID: <20011125234744.J3074-100000@www> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've been using apcupsd on sun, freebsd and hpux systems for 6 months or so, but with apc products. it's probibable tha they support your ups. good luck, ben On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Kjell wrote: > List members! > > I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS > that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and > turn it back on again when power returns. > > I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it > turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown > does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for > machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > > I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. > Does anyone have any experience with these programs? > > Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? > > Regards from Kjell (LA3SG) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:14:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4F137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ8E4R43637; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Peterson" , Subject: RE: FTP install silently fails and then installer has DNS resolution problems? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:14:04 -0800 Message-ID: <001901c17652$4fce4ac0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000b01c1760b$7a8be1b0$a586fa18@chris> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Peterson >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:47 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: FTP install silently fails and then installer has DNS >resolution problems? > > >I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.4 over FTP. Unfortunately, I can never >complete the install because the install step to FTP all the files fails >repeatedly. The computer is behind a NAT, so I am using passive FTP and DHCP >behind the NAT. > >After I select FTP from ftp.freebsd.org, everything seems to be working. >About half way through copying the files for the / partition, the installer >unexpectedly asks me to choose an FTP server again. I choose ftp.freebsd.org This is a symptom of a broken network connection. When I've dealt with this in the past the problem has either been bad hardware, (the NIC, the driver, the hub, etc.) or a circuit/line problem. What network adapter do you have in your machine? One thing you might try is FTPing the ISO file and burning a CD and doing a CD installation. People have also done floppy installations although this is time consuming. If you go the floppy route, do a minimal installation and then once the system is booted off the harddisk, you can FTP the tarballs down and then selectively install features. >again, but now the installer cannot resolve any DNS names, even >ftp.freebsd.org which worked a few minutes earlier. I have reproduced this >problem six times out of six attempts.. > >If I try to configure the network settings again, I see that my netmask has >changed from 255.255.255.0 to 0xffffffff. I know these are equivalent >numbers, but if I change it back to 255.255.255.0, sometimes the DNS >resolution will work again, but usually not. > When you ifconfig the netmask it jars loose the network driver and things start working again. (sometimes) What is the NIC? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:20:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D23D37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ8KBR43654; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joseph Maxwell" Cc: Subject: RE: Promiscuous mode? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:20:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c17653$2959d200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C018C54.7C38C125@ns.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Very few DX2's I've encountered had PCI buses so I'm almost positive you have an ISA NE2000 in the system even though you don't say so. What your looking at is a classic "unseized interrupt" and is almost always caused by a mismatch between the interrupt that the card is using and the one that FreeBSD is using. You must look at the jumpers or run the softset utility for the card under DOS to determine what IRQ it's using, then tell the FreeBSD system in userconfig during the boot process to use that interrupt. If the FreeBSD system and the card both agree on IRQ 10 then set them both to some other IRQ, as what's happening is that on your system something else is using IRQ10 and not letting it go (soundcard, perhaps?) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Maxwell [mailto:jaymax@ns.net] >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 4:27 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? > > >Hello, > >My apologies for not including the dmesg file, was unconsciously >trying to reduce >bandwith presumably, anyway here it is along w/ output from some other files >viz:- routing table from netstat -r, LAN Configuration from ifconfig. > >I was looking for conflicts earlier but could have missed something else ?? > >Hope you can see it from here, thanks > >-- Joe -- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------- > >>From GENERIC kernel: >device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 >From dmesg below: >ed0 at port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd8000 irq 10 on isa0 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------- > >dmesg ==> > >Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. >Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Nov 20 13:02:55 GMT 2000 > jkh@bento.FreeBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC >Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz >CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping = 5 > Features=0x3 >real memory = 20971520 (20480K bytes) >config> di sn0 >config> di lnc0 >config> di ie0 >config> di fe0 >config> di cs0 >config> q >avail memory = 16314368 (15932K bytes) >Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0436000. >Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc043609c. >md0: Malloc disk >npx0: on motherboard >npx0: INT 16 interface >isa0: on motherboard >fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 >fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 >ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 >atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 >atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 >kbd0 at atkbd0 >vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 >sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> >sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 >sio0: type 16450 >sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 >sio1: type 16450 >ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 >ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode >plip0: on ppbus0 >lpt0: on ppbus0 >lpt0: Interrupt-driven port >ppi0: on ppbus0 >ed0 at port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd8000 irq 10 on isa0 >ed0: address 00:40:05:a0:40:18, type NE2000 (16 bit) >ad0: 2442MB [4962/16/63] at ata0-master BIOSPIO >ad1: 521MB [1060/16/63] at ata0-slave BIOSPIO >acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using BIOSPIO >Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >ed0: promiscuous mode enabled >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >ed0: device timeout >fd0: Seek to cyl 0, but not really there (ST3 = 20) >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------- > >netstat -r ==> > >Routing tables > >Internet: >Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire >default gateway UGSc 0 0 ed0 >localhost localhost UH 1 82 lo0 >192.168.2 link#2 UC 0 0 ed0 => >gateway link#2 UHLW 1 0 ed0 => > >Internet6: >Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire >::1 ::1 UH lo0 >fe80::%ed0 link#2 UC ed0 >fe80::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 >ff01:: ::1 U lo0 >ff02::%ed0 link#2 UC ed0 >ff02::%lo0 fe80::1%lo0 UC lo0 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------- > >ifconfig ==> >lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 >ed0: flags=8943 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.2.13 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255 > inet6 fe80::240:5ff:fea0:4018%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > ether 00:40:05:a0:40:18 >faith0: flags=8000 mtu 1500 >gif0: flags=8010 mtu 1280 >gif1: flags=8010 mtu 1280 >gif2: flags=8010 mtu 1280 >gif3: flags=8010 mtu 1280 >lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x8 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 >ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 >sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > >Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Maxwell >> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:12 AM >> >To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Promiscuous mode? >> > >> > >> >Hello, >> > >> >Setting up a LAN behind a DSL Router on a 486 -DX2 Box: BSD 4.2 >> >for network card >> > >> > dmesg ==> >> > >> > ed0: device timeout >> > ed0: promiscuous mode enabled >> > >> >What is promiscuous mode ? >> > >> >> This indicates the ability of the NIC to be set to receive all packets that >> are on the LAN and is used for diagnostic applications like packet >analyzers. >> >> > >> >How does one figure out if a card is actually been seen by the >> >machine. Pinging >> >to hostname is useless as the packets do not go past "loopback" >and needless >> >to say the machine is invisible to the LAN. >> > >> >> Most likely you have an interrupt set wrong. The NE2000 series (ed0 uses >> that) >> and the other cards like the SMC and 3com that are managed by that >driver all >> have a mechanism to set the interrupt to a specific IRQ. Sometimes that >> interrupt >> is set by jumpers, other times by a DOS program that you use to configure >> NVRAM >> on the card. Whatever it is, the IRQ set into the driver and the >IRQ set into >> the card must match. >> >> Generally it's most useful for you to include your ENTIRE dmesg >when mailing >> the list. >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt >tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate >Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >lsdev does not help either. > > > >Thanks. > > > >-- Joe -- > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:24:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65E237B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CBF3D4E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:24:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:24:06 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Packaging with ports (was: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4) In-Reply-To: <15361.39173.28696.229731@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > Simon J Mudd types: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > However I have several duplicate packages installed, amongst them: > > > > kdelibs-2.1.1 Libraries for KDE2 > > kdelibs-2.2_3 Libraries for KDE2 > > > > I've in the past found that installing or upgrading ports doesn't tidily > > remove the previously installed ports and can cause all sorts of problems. > > You're right - you have to remove the old port/package to get it > cleaned up tidily. That's usually recommended, but some people would > rather avoid it because doing so may mean rebuilding a lot of ports > that depend on it. I'm still surprised that I'm allowed to install kdelibs-2.2_3 over kdelibs-2.1.1. That IMHO shouldn't be allowed. Those files with different paths aren't affected. Those files with the same names which differ will effectively wipe out the older version. this conflict effectively makes the stored package information wrong and misleading. There appears also to be no check if "another package uses" each file. Doing that with each file in the packing list would ensure that "common files" weren't deleted, even if you did get into the state I'm in. > > In cases where the port's configuration files are important (a web o mail > > server for example), won't the make deinstall remove all these > > configuration files, thus losing vital information? > > If it does, that's a nono on the port authors part. Ports that require > configuration are supposed to install sample config files and tell you > to copy and edit those, or otherwise avoid remove your config > files. If you find a port that removes configuration information, a > note to the port author is in order. If you can't recover the removed > copy from a backup afterwards, then fixing your admin procedures is in > order. Ok, this isn't very clear (to me) nor I think explained in the ports documentation. If the sample config files are the ones which are marked installed and the real ones aren't marked at all then you are right I guess the real config files won't be lost if you make deinstall a package. I wasn't really clear about this. > Putting such things in a source code control system makes all this a > much saner. You branch from the sample file to the real one, then the > updated is a vendor update and the software handles much of the merge > work. I think thats a separate issue. It obviously makes sense to use a source control system when the files are important and are modified on a regular basis. It also makes sense that deinstalling a package doesn't remove this "vital" information, though from what you say this doesn't appear to be a problem - it was my misunderstanding. > > While the port system works quite well, I've found it rather lacking > > regarding dependency checking, upgrade procedures and son compared to > > other packaging mechanisms, of which rpm comes to mind as being the one > > I'm most familiar with. > > If that's the case, you're getting into trouble with ports for the > same reason I hate rpm - you're not really using the tools properly. Perhaps. There is certainly a large "culture difference" between FreeBSD and Linux, between system setup and use and many other things. However what rpm and the packages collection try to provide (IMO) are basically similar, although maybe attacked from different angles. I'm not sure what you hate about rpm. Perhaps you could enlighten me? I think that perhaps "make install" in ports is rather dangerous. there appears to be no checks that the installed software will overwrite existing packages or software. Perhaps this could be improved, or am I missing some command to avoid this problem? > > The fact that the ports allow me to get into the situation I'm in is > > really asking for trouble later down the road as I'm seeing now. > > Is this a valid criticism? > > Based on my experience with rpm, I'd say implying that ports/pkgs are > worse than rpm is invalid. But the point of your criticism is > valid. The ports/package/install system are undergoing an overhaul, > but that isn't far enough along to be used in -current. For now, you This is what I'd heard. However, while I am subscribed to -current, which I follow very briefly, I haven't noticed any talk about the packaging (ports) system it's shortcoming and good points and how they are considering improving it. > can use the portupgrade port/pkg to help with the task of maintaining > the package database. Ok. Again thanks for your insight. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:40:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490DD37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ8eLR43697; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Stephen Hovey" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > > > >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >daily issue of it in my work.. > >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >an act of gymnastics.. > >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... > >Never do business with a spammer.. > >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. > Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've seen some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small amount of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to expend in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the effort that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message for ALL of them. Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have the same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is postponing the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the Internet cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's your right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the efforts of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:42:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142BB37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 168HL7-0001JX-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:42:09 +0000 Received: from dsl-64-194-5-249.telocity.com ([64.194.5.249] helo=ns.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp id 168HL2-0003bu-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:42:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3C020204.D3081058@ns.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:49:08 -0800 From: Joseph Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? References: <001d01c17653$2959d200$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds like that may be the problem. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Very few DX2's I've encountered had PCI buses so I'm almost positive you > have an ISA NE2000 in the system even though you don't say so. You are correct - A Netgear EA201 16 bit ISA > > What your looking at is a classic "unseized interrupt" and is almost > always caused by a mismatch between the interrupt that the > card is using and the one that FreeBSD is using. You must look at the > jumpers or run the softset utility for the card under DOS to determine > what IRQ it's using, then tell the FreeBSD system in userconfig during the > boot process to use that interrupt. > > If the FreeBSD system and the card both agree on IRQ 10 then set them > both to some other IRQ, as what's happening is that on your system something > else is using IRQ10 and not letting it go (soundcard, perhaps?) So this involves rebuilding of the kernel, am I correct? > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Joseph Maxwell [mailto:jaymax@ns.net] > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 4:27 PM > >To: Ted Mittelstaedt > >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 0:52: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A9537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ8psR43733; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Joseph Maxwell" Cc: Subject: RE: Promiscuous mode? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:51:54 -0800 Message-ID: <002801c17657$98f96cc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C020204.D3081058@ns.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG no - when booting the installation CD it asks if you want to modify any of the kernel settings. Select this option and then go into the network settings for ed0 and change it to whatever IRQ your card is using. Then save settings and they will be reused next time the system is booted. This is explained in detail in the installation section in the handbook. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Maxwell >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:49 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? > > >Sounds like that may be the problem. > >Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Very few DX2's I've encountered had PCI buses so I'm almost positive you >> have an ISA NE2000 in the system even though you don't say so. > >You are correct - A Netgear EA201 16 bit ISA > >> >> What your looking at is a classic "unseized interrupt" and is almost >> always caused by a mismatch between the interrupt that the >> card is using and the one that FreeBSD is using. You must look at the >> jumpers or run the softset utility for the card under DOS to determine >> what IRQ it's using, then tell the FreeBSD system in userconfig during the >> boot process to use that interrupt. >> >> If the FreeBSD system and the card both agree on IRQ 10 then set them >> both to some other IRQ, as what's happening is that on your system >something >> else is using IRQ10 and not letting it go (soundcard, perhaps?) > >So this involves rebuilding of the kernel, am I correct? > >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt >tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate >Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Joseph Maxwell [mailto:jaymax@ns.net] >> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 4:27 PM >> >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1: 3:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from foo31-249.visit.se (foo31-249.visit.se [62.119.31.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD137B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by foo31-249.visit.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQ92lu01127 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:02:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from martin) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:02:47 +0100 From: Martin Karlsson To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com>; from MurrayTaylor@bytecraftsystems.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:14:05PM +1100 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep on spamming? Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. -- ------------------------------------------------ Martin Karlsson martin.karlsson@visit.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1: 5:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BF2D37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11613 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2001 09:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO r) (213.126.110.203) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 09:05:07 -0000 From: "Rogier Steehouder" To: Rakesh Prajapati Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:06:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [FBSD-Q] help mounting zip drive Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C02141E.10579.45E275@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25 Nov 2001 at 19:44, Rakesh Prajapati wrote: > www# mount -t msdos /dev/ad0 /zip > msdos: /dev/ad0: Invalid argument > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device ad0 -> da0? MAKEDEV? ZIP disks have slices on them, try da0[a-f]? With kind regards, Rogier Steehouder -- ___ _ -O_\ // | / Rogier Steehouder //\ / \ r.j.s@gmx.net // \ <---------------------- 25m ----------------------> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:11:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe14.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3340937B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:11:27 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.133.13] Reply-To: "default" From: "default" To: "FreeBSD-Questions" Subject: Question about using CNAMES with mod-ssl port Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:07:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 09:11:27.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[547C6FE0:01C1765A] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm usint the mod-ssl port for my secure server... and just noticed something strange. I had setup a CNAME URL to use for my secure server because I don't want to have to use my actual hostname. This worked fine, up until tonight, when I re-arranged Apache's directory structures... Now, when I type in https://secure.mydomain.com it refreshes the URL in the browser to show https://myrealhostname.mydomain.com The CNAME does work, and I am not attempting to use name based virtual hosts or anything like that, I am only using this domain for my SSL server, but, ... I doubt that I can change this without writing some sort of CGI script or something which would be too troublesome but... if anyone has any ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:12:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917A937B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card3-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 168Ho1-0005sy-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:12:01 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168HnP-0000n9-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:11:23 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:11:23 +0000 From: setantae To: Drew Tomlinson Cc: Anthony Atkielski , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Message-ID: <20011126091123.GA2864@rhadamanth> Mail-Followup-To: setantae , Drew Tomlinson , Anthony Atkielski , FreeBSD Questions References: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:28:43PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > > I have my router set to send messages to syslog on my FreeBSD system > > when connect attempts and the like are discarded, but nothing is being > > logged. When I look at traffic with tcpdump, there are lots of messages > > being sent to FreeBSD by the router, but I don't know where they are > > going. What do I have to do to make this work? > > > > Currently I have syslogd starting with "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*" as options > > (the router is at 10.0.0.30). The router is supposed to be sending > > messages as facility local1, so I have > > > > local1.* /var/log/router.log > > I am not sure if this will work for you or not but try this: > > +local1 > *.* /var/log/router.log No, that's not right. The +line takes a hostname, not a facility. This works for me (where netpilot is in the same domain as the loghost) : +netpilot *.* /var/log/netpilot It's in the fine manual. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:15:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574EF37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from trine (213-187-161-49.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.161.49]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005557D03 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:15:12 +0100 (MET) From: "Kjell" To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:21:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Is shutdown -p now working? Reply-To: kjell@la3sg.net Message-ID: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG List members! When I issue a "shutdown -p now" I receive the same messages as when I issue a "shutdown -h now" with the exception of a line "shutdown: power-down by ******" towards the top. The last line is still "Please press any key to reboot" "halt -p" behaves in a similar way. My generic kernel is compiled with "device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management" and I have tried putting "apm_enable="YES"" into my rc.conf file. Am I missing something? Regards from Kjell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:15:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B647637B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQ9FdR43800; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:39 -0800 Message-ID: <002901c1765a$ea4c7ce0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kjell >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:47 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > > >List members! > >I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS >that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and >turn it back on again when power returns. > >I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it >turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown >does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for >machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > >I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. >Does anyone have any experience with these programs? > >Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? > The difference between your Liebert dumb UPS and the APC dumb BackUPS (which is what bkpupsd program is written for) is that APC put a timer in the BackUPS, so that when the BackUPS receives the signal to shut itself off, it waits for a set period of time before actually doing it. Obviously the Liebert just shuts off immediately. If you have an ATX system that will indeed power itself off with bkpupsd, then you can change your UPS cable connections so that instead of the turn-off line being connected to DTR or CTS of the com port, it's instead connected to something like the 5v+ of the mouse port. Of course you will want to put in a 1K protection resistor or something like that so that you don't blow up the mouse port. The idea here is that this power will disappear when the ATX system shuts off completely by which it will then be safe to shut off the Liebert. Your going to have to do a little probing with a VOM to confirm that. If, however, you have an AT system then you have a problem because logically it's impossible for a program to be written that toggles off the serial port AFTER the system is completely stopped - because once the system is stopped then programs cannot run, and since the system will still be powered and in operation, there's not going to be anything you can sense that is going to change state then. What you will need then is a black box that on receipt of a logic 0 from the com port controlled by bkpupsd, will wait a spell then signal it's own logic 0 to the Liebert. This could be anything from some relays and a capacitor, to something totally electronic built around a 555 chip. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:20:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCB937B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:19:06 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: kjell@la3sg.net, "Kjell" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is shutdown -p now working? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:18:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112604184301.01114@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 26 November 2001 04:21, Kjell wrote: > List members! > > When I issue a "shutdown -p now" I receive the same messages as > when I issue a "shutdown -h now" with the exception of a line > "shutdown: power-down by ******" towards the top. The last line is still > "Please press any key to reboot" > "halt -p" behaves in a similar way. > > My generic kernel is compiled with "device apm0 at nexus? disable > flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management" and I have tried putting > "apm_enable="YES"" into my rc.conf file. > > Am I missing something? Try just putting device apm in the kernel config. I have no idea why the more complex expression is the default; I should probably put in a PR about that. But from what I can tell, it's more common for the just-plain "device apm" to work. This is certainly the case with Dell laptops. > > Regards from Kjell > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:21:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A3937B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26674; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C02099C.3080102@owt.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:21:32 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Karlsson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Karlsson wrote: > A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not > buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me > they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep > on spamming? > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. > Considering how easy it is to track them down, I don't understand either. If everyone that received a spam, looked at the headers and responded to each message, the people that do this would be inundated in messages to abuse@... It would be a reverse DoS. The http oriented http://www.arin.net/whois/ makes it even easier because they will even point you to apnic or ripe depending on where the message originated. I have one spammer that is using phoenix.dnscamp.com. Dnscamp.com is a Australian domain; however, if you use a traceroute IP, I found that phoenix.dnscamp.com was attached to alter.net in the USA. My attitude is that it is a theft of service and approach it like some one stole something from me. They really did because I have to invest time to track them down and that time is lost forever. If you let the harmless looking ones get away with it, you lose down the road. I figure you have to track them all down. They really should consider me a anti-spam activist. If my replies bounce, I get even more interested in tracking them down. The ultimate story is still http://belps.freewebsites.com/index2.htm, which is the site "Behind Enemy Lines -...". Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA It is hard to believe you are soaring with Eagles when you accept SPAM like a mouse. mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:22: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nelly.internal.irrelevant.org (irrelevant.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFEB37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from simond by nelly.internal.irrelevant.org with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Hxd-0000bx-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:21:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:21:57 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: Kjell Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is shutdown -p now working? Message-ID: <20011126092157.GB2132@irrelevant.org> References: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:21:26AM -0000, Kjell wrote: > List members! > > When I issue a "shutdown -p now" I receive the same messages as > when I issue a "shutdown -h now" with the exception of a line > "shutdown: power-down by ******" towards the top. The last line is still > "Please press any key to reboot" > "halt -p" behaves in a similar way. > > My generic kernel is compiled with "device apm0 at nexus? disable > flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management" and I have tried putting > "apm_enable="YES"" into my rc.conf file. > > Am I missing something? Yes, try removing the disable part from the apm line by any chance? -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:22:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375537B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card3-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 168Hxh-00062E-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Ht4-0000pQ-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:17:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:17:14 +0000 From: setantae To: Martin Karlsson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011126091714.GA3094@rhadamanth> Mail-Followup-To: setantae , Martin Karlsson , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011125224515.WGVK6448.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> <008901c17641$8d338440$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:02:47AM +0100, Martin Karlsson wrote: > A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not > buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me > they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep > on spamming? > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. And if you do have thoughts on this, please air them in -chat. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:24:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 105A037B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 37576 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 09:24:47 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.2655.623856.97716@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:24:47 -0600 To: Louis LeBlanc Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Stephen Hovey Subject: Re: this spam In-Reply-To: <37557804@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Louis LeBlanc types: > On 11/25/01 11:16 PM, Stephen Hovey sat at the `puter and typed: > >=20 > > My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a > > daily issue of it in my work.. > >=20 > > Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, > > an act of gymnastics.. > >=20 > > Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER > > sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... > >=20 > > Never do business with a spammer..=20 > >=20 > > Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. > > > All good points, but that doesn't address the point that spammers are > unscrupulous individuals . Quite correct. The proper response to SPAM is not to hit delete and forget it; it's to hit complain and forget it. If the mail agent you're using doesn't make complaining about spam painless, find one that does. Personally, I use vm and vm-complain. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:33:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E1537B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from trine (213-187-161-49.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.161.49]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1682D82F2; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:33:26 +0100 (MET) From: "Kjell" To: Simon Dick Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:39:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Is shutdown -p now working? Reply-To: kjell@la3sg.net Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C020DDB.8044.7519C1@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011126092157.GB2132@irrelevant.org> References: <3C020996.31827.646C29@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Date sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:21:57 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: Kjell Copies to: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is shutdown -p now working? > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:21:26AM -0000, Kjell wrote: > > List members! > > > > When I issue a "shutdown -p now" I receive the same messages as > > when I issue a "shutdown -h now" with the exception of a line > > "shutdown: power-down by ******" towards the top. The last line is still > > "Please press any key to reboot" > > "halt -p" behaves in a similar way. > > > > My generic kernel is compiled with "device apm0 at nexus? disable > > flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management" and I have tried putting > > "apm_enable="YES"" into my rc.conf file. > > > > Am I missing something? > > Yes, try removing the disable part from the apm line by any chance? Please expand! Do not see what you mean? Kjell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:33:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42CC37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 168I95-00025p-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:33:47 +0000 Received: from dsl-64-194-5-249.telocity.com ([64.194.5.249] helo=ns.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp id 168I94-0004Kp-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:33:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3C020E26.54332F6@ns.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:40:54 -0800 From: Joseph Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? References: <002801c17657$98f96cc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks!! Thanks!!! Thanks!!!! It worked Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > no - when booting the installation CD it asks if you want to modify > any of the kernel settings. Select this option and then go into the > network settings for ed0 and change it to whatever IRQ your card is > using. Then save settings and they will be reused next time the > system is booted. > > This is explained in detail in the installation section in the handbook. > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Maxwell > >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:49 AM > >To: Ted Mittelstaedt > >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: Promiscuous mode? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:35:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B50BB37B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 37894 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 09:35:08 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.3276.17081.713574@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:35:08 -0600 To: ben Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <108069515@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered from top posting. ben types: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Kjell wrote: > > I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS > > that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and > > turn it back on again when power returns. You really don't want to turn the computer back on when the power returns with a dumb UPS. The problem is that the battery in the ups won't have any charge on it, so in the - not uncommon - event that you get power back and it goes away shortly thereafter, you'll be shut down with no warning. The only time in the last decade I've had a file system fried was because of power coming back just long enough for it to start fsck'ing - three times in a row. > > I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it > > turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown > > does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for > > machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > > > i've been using apcupsd on sun, freebsd and hpux systems for 6 months or > so, but with apc products. it's probibable tha they support your ups. Yes, but does it manage to not cut power to the computer until after the shutdown has finished? If so, could you provide a pointer to the documentation? Thanx, http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 1:42: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4306C37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from trine (213-187-161-49.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.161.49]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8F47DAE; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:42:00 +0100 (MET) From: "Kjell" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:48:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Reply-To: kjell@la3sg.net Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C020FDE.24171.7CF4E7@localhost> In-reply-to: <002901c1765a$ea4c7ce0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Date sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:39 -0800 > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kjell > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:47 PM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > > > > > >List members! > > > >I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS > >that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and > >turn it back on again when power returns. > > > >I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it > >turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown > >does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for > >machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > > > >I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. > >Does anyone have any experience with these programs? > > > >Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? > > > > The difference between your Liebert dumb UPS and the APC dumb BackUPS (which > is > what bkpupsd program is written for) is that APC put a timer in the BackUPS, > so that when the BackUPS receives the signal to shut itself off, it waits for > a set period of time before actually doing it. Obviously the Liebert just > shuts off immediately. > > If you have an ATX system that will indeed power itself off with bkpupsd, then > you can change your UPS cable connections so that instead of the turn-off > line being connected to DTR or CTS of the com port, it's instead connected to > something like the 5v+ of the mouse port. Of course you will want to > put in a 1K protection resistor or something like that so that you don't blow > up the mouse port. The idea here is that this power will disappear when the > ATX system shuts off completely by which it will then be safe to shut off the > Liebert. Your going to have to do a little probing with a VOM to confirm > that. Good point. Will look into this. > > If, however, you have an AT system then you have a problem because logically > it's impossible for a program to be written that toggles off the serial port > AFTER the system is completely stopped - because once the system is stopped > then programs cannot run, and since the system will still be powered and in > operation, there's not going to be anything you can sense that is going to > change > state then. > > What you will need then is a black box that on receipt of a logic 0 from the > com port controlled by bkpupsd, will wait a spell then signal it's own logic 0 > to the Liebert. This could be anything from some relays and a capacitor, to > something totally electronic built around a 555 chip. I have followed this line, but I ended up with a small microprocessor project to be built into the UPS in order to take care of all possible races etc.. I concluded it was better to go out and buy a new smarter UPS than do this. To turn my ATX back on again I have tried to use the "wake on ring" feature, but it does not seem to be as reliable as I want. Another possibility I see is to pulse the power on connector on the main board. Do you see any other possibilities? Tnx from Kjell > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2: 2:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C72537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from area51 (c1665.kelvn1.qld.optusnet.com.au [203.164.81.80]) by mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQA2sD28928 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:02:54 +1100 From: "Christopher Smith" To: Subject: PCI IDE controllers Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:02:57 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c17661$8693c120$0a00a8c0@area51> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking at adding 3 - 6 IDE drives in a RAID array (using vinum) to an existing server. As such, I'm going to have to add extra disk controllers to accommodate them. I was wondering if anyone had recommendations for add-in PCI controllers in terms of driver compatibility (FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE), reliability and speed. As this is being done pretty much on the cheap and only to be shared amongst a household of 3 - 4 people, "real" IDE RAID controllers like the 3Ware cards are not an option - neitehr are the pseudo-RAID controllers. I'm only after opinions on standard, ATA-66/100 PCI cards. Cheers, CS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2: 4:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe51.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F4037B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:04:37 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.133.13] Reply-To: "default" From: "default" To: "FreeBSD-Questions" Subject: A good way to setup multiple cgi-bin on mod-ssl port Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:04:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 10:04:37.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1A9F1D0:01C17661] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've been experimenting and haven't come up with anything that works yet... I'm trying to use one secure server that will allow access to all of the domains above it by directory structure; for example, my regular webserver's document root is /www and so is my secure server's. So when someone accesses the secure server, they can use https://mysecuredomain.com/otherdomain/ This is working but, I cannot use the cgi-bin on the other domains ... I was thinking I could use the ExecCGI directive in a directory tag, but it does not seem to be working. Even when I add this in for the secure server: SSLOptions +StdEnvVars Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2: 6:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C287037B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28082; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:06:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3C021414.5080709@owt.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:06:12 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI IDE controllers References: <000f01c17661$8693c120$0a00a8c0@area51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christopher Smith wrote: > I'm looking at adding 3 - 6 IDE drives in a RAID array (using vinum) to > an existing server. As such, I'm going to have to add extra disk > controllers to accommodate them. I was wondering if anyone had > recommendations for add-in PCI controllers in terms of driver > compatibility (FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE), reliability and speed. As this is > being done pretty much on the cheap and only to be shared amongst a > household of 3 - 4 people, "real" IDE RAID controllers like the 3Ware > cards are not an option - neitehr are the pseudo-RAID controllers. I'm > only after opinions on standard, ATA-66/100 PCI cards. I think the best supported ones are the Promise Ultra cards. I don't think FreeBSD will even recognize the Maxtor cards. Kent > > Cheers, > CS > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:22:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32C9937B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 38964 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 10:22:29 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.6117.389492.58321@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:22:29 -0600 To: Simon J Mudd Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <74296747@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon J Mudd types: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > I bet gv is actually fine, but the problem is actually with the > > ghostscript port which is used to do the actual PS rendering. > > ghostscript uses png. > I think my point is this: > - why isn't this enforced by the ports collection? It mostly is. Somewhere along the way you deleted the old libpng. If you used the package routines, you had to tell it "-f" to make it do so. If you used ports, it warned you about the dependencies when you did the "make deinstall" so you could deal with them as required. > - why is it currenlty allowed Because sometimes it does no harm, so there's no point in forcing people to rebuild ports that don't need it. This is the general Unix philosophy: give the user all the rope they need to do the job. That's far more than enough for them to hang themselves. Some systems consider that a problem, but Unix isn't one of them. > - why do the ports collection allow you to have two "conflicting" ports > installed at the same time Because there are times when you want to do that. It can even be done safely if you install to different locations. See the paragraph on the Unix philosophy above. > - this really causes the problem I've encountered. Having two copies installed wasn't the root of the problem. Removing one and ignoring the warnings about dependencies was the problem. Before claiming that it shouldn't allow that, see the paragraph otUP. > - ideally you shouldn't be allowed to uninstall/upgrade a port > on which other ports depend, unless as you say you upgrade the > dependent ports too. I think this information should be available > at make install or make deinstall time. No, no, a thousand times no. A port upgrade may be a port revision, meaning the application source code hasn't changed, but the port author tweaked something for some reason - for instance, making the port PREFIX-clean. There's no reason to upgrade everything it depends on in that case. Even if the application port code changed, if files in the port are used by but not built into the dependent application, the dependent application may not need rebuilding. In fact, the library versioning used by FreeBSD is designed with such application upgrades in mind. There's a problem because the pkg database gets screwed up if you delete the old package and install the new one. portupgrade deals with that for you. > Using pkg_tree, I've found that my current system is "a real mess". I've > not been using FreeBSD that long, since 3.4-RELEASE, and even in that time > I've seen several problems of this type. I've been admin'ing FreeBSD since 3.0-RELEASE (since the day of the release, as a matter of fact), and was using it before that. I've seen this problem exactly once - but I also have a good idea of when it's safe to ignore dependency warnings. If you think you shouldn't be allowed to ignore such dependencies, StpotUP. > I'm not sure whether I should take this to mean that I shouldn't follow > -STABLE, or quite what, but it does concern me that other packages I > have installed may be in the same situation. If they are libraries and > only minor version is different then the may be no problem. FreeBSD library versioning is specified that minor version numbers increasing indicate backwards compatability; major version numbers changing indicate that applications can't depend on the old behavior. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:22:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293F837B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQAMSR44372; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Martin Karlsson" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:22:27 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c17664$3fa0e240$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Martin Karlsson >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:03 AM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > > >A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not >buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me >they don't...) yes, they do. I hate to be the one to tell you but if you send out 100's of millions of e-mail messages your going to get one or two suckers that will respond. There was a very good site run by "Rolf" a while back that dealt specifically with Make Money Fast spams. (MMF) He specialized in collecting MMF's and printing them out and mailing them to the US Postmasters who were responsible for the addresses that the spammers where listing in the MMF's to send money to. (a quick FYI it doesen't cost you anything to send mail to the postmaster) Often, the postmasters would set a "watch" on the addresses (invariably these are PO boxes to prevent the victims from finding out who was really getting the money) and many people were caught. (it's a federal crime to use the Postal System to receive money from pyramind schemes) Anyway, he had a number of testimonials from contrite former spammers who reported response rates in the .000001 - .000002 % range from MMF spams. (as if the miserable response rates somehow made it so what they were doing wasn't illegal) This is just one more of those schemes where the thief spends thousands of dollars of other people's money so he can get $20. It's no different than the people that bust into your car with a crowbar and cause $2K worth of damage smashing your dashboard to extract a stereo that they can sell to a pawnshop for $20. > So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep >on spamming? They don't "make" money, you need to adjust your terminology there. They steal it. Another common scam is setting a website up with banner adverts on it, then spamming the world with an e-mail with the site URL in it. People often will go to the site to get the spammers real e-mail address and their site access will increment the banner advertisement counter and put another .0001 cent in the account of the spammer. If that ever happens to you you always want to take the time to e-mail the advertiser in the banner as to what's going on, so they can pull their advertising from the spammers website. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:25:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailin5.bigpond.com (mailin5.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71AC37B41E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from wskatinka ([144.135.24.84]) by mailin5.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNEL6Z00.66U for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:30:35 +1000 Received: from 144.137.224.179 ([144.137.224.179]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9k 8341/21476599); 26 Nov 2001 20:23:48 Message-ID: <080501c17665$1185a430$fe00a8c0@wskatinka> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: References: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> <3C020FDE.24171.7CF4E7@localhost> Subject: Re: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:27:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, We build and design such modules, for all "dumb ups's, they are based on an AVR micrcontroller, and interpret the signals to and from the UPS, and when a power down command is issued (by toggling DTR CTS) we delay by a user amount (sent to the module through the serial port). We custom build these units, and hope to have a range on the market soon. But for a one off, if you tell me the model of your UPS I can give you a quote, (most modules are priced around us$35 +shipping) communication to the module is by any terminal program of your choice. Regards, Kat. ____________________________________________________________________________ /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 ____________________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kjell" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" > To: , > Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > Date sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:15:39 -0800 > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kjell > > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:47 PM > > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > >Subject: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > >List members! > > > > > >I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS > > >that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and > > >turn it back on again when power returns. > > > > > >I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it > > >turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown > > >does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for > > >machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > > > > > >I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. > > >Does anyone have any experience with these programs? > > > > > >Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? > > > > > > > The difference between your Liebert dumb UPS and the APC dumb BackUPS (which > > is > > what bkpupsd program is written for) is that APC put a timer in the BackUPS, > > so that when the BackUPS receives the signal to shut itself off, it waits for > > a set period of time before actually doing it. Obviously the Liebert just > > shuts off immediately. > > > > If you have an ATX system that will indeed power itself off with bkpupsd, then > > you can change your UPS cable connections so that instead of the turn-off > > line being connected to DTR or CTS of the com port, it's instead connected to > > something like the 5v+ of the mouse port. Of course you will want to > > put in a 1K protection resistor or something like that so that you don't blow > > up the mouse port. The idea here is that this power will disappear when the > > ATX system shuts off completely by which it will then be safe to shut off the > > Liebert. Your going to have to do a little probing with a VOM to confirm > > that. > Good point. Will look into this. > > > > If, however, you have an AT system then you have a problem because logically > > it's impossible for a program to be written that toggles off the serial port > > AFTER the system is completely stopped - because once the system is stopped > > then programs cannot run, and since the system will still be powered and in > > operation, there's not going to be anything you can sense that is going to > > change > > state then. > > > > What you will need then is a black box that on receipt of a logic 0 from the > > com port controlled by bkpupsd, will wait a spell then signal it's own logic 0 > > to the Liebert. This could be anything from some relays and a capacitor, to > > something totally electronic built around a 555 chip. > I have followed this line, but I ended up with a small microprocessor > project to be built into the UPS in order to take care of all possible > races etc.. I concluded it was better to go out and buy a new smarter > UPS than do this. > > To turn my ATX back on again I have tried to use the "wake on ring" > feature, but it does not seem to be as reliable as I want. Another > possibility I see is to pulse the power on connector on the main board. > Do you see any other possibilities? > > Tnx from Kjell > > > > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:42:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8C9B37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19166 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 10:42:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:42:37 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help Message-ID: <20011126054237.A19153@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <66931026@toto.iv> <15361.62448.90570.917298@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15361.62448.90570.917298@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:49:04AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [snip] > > What I woudl like to do is have a script search each of the directories = > > for mp3 files and dump that output into a .m3u (playlist file) in it. = > > for example.. > > #!/bin/sh > find . -type d -print | > while read x > do > (cd "$x"; ls *.mp3 > "$x.m3u") > done Might I suggest the following small changes, assuming you want *all* the mp3 files listed in one playlist. #!/bin/sh find . -type d -print | while read x do (cd "$x"; ls | grep -i mp3 >> "~/playlist.m3u") done which also has the advantage of listing files which end in uppercase or mixed case, i.e. song.MP3 or song.Mp3. --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:51:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4140837B41E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAQApTR44436; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:51:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:51:28 -0800 Message-ID: <002c01c17668$4d649bc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C020FDE.24171.7CF4E7@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kjell >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:48 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? > > >I have followed this line, but I ended up with a small microprocessor >project to be built into the UPS in order to take care of all possible >races etc.. I concluded it was better to go out and buy a new smarter >UPS than do this. > What you want is the "APC SmartUPS" - I checked again and I made a mistake on the model in my earlier message - the BackUPS has a delay timer but it only works the other direction - the UPS signals the computer to shut down a certain time period before it shuts down, not the other way round. Only the SmartUPS has the input you want - here's an extract from the pinout explanation for the pertinent pin: "...The UPS will shut down when a high RS-232 level is sustained on pin 1 for 4.5 seconds. The UPS responds to this signal only after a delay and during a power utility failure (when the UPS is operating on battery). Pin 1 is also the RS-232 data input (RXD)..." Go to www.apc.com and do a search for "Serial port pin-outs on Smart-UPS products" in their knowledgebase. >To turn my ATX back on again I have tried to use the "wake on ring" >feature, but it does not seem to be as reliable as I want. Another >possibility I see is to pulse the power on connector on the main board. >Do you see any other possibilities? > Check your BIOS settings. I'm positive that I've seen a BIOS option on a new BIOS that will make the computer power up if power is applied to the mains (basically ignoring the soft switch the first time the system is powered) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 2:52:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from keep.scn.ru (SCN-SibInet.sibinet.ru [213.24.217.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE17B37B41F; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 02:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from scn.ru (alx.sc.ten [10.0.7.13]) by keep.scn.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA86845; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:52:54 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from alx@scn.ru) Message-ID: <3C021D7C.773ABAFE@scn.ru> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:46:20 +0700 From: "Alex N. Zhuravlev" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Promise FastTrak TX2v2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msF38001164D588AE78F3A68B8" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msF38001164D588AE78F3A68B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! Sorry for crosspost - it's very urgent. Is there any possibility to use subject hardware in Raid 1 mode with FreeBSD 4.4-Stable ? If yes answer please in details and directly - I am currently out of list. Thanks, Alex N. 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[...] > >And we must have a solution > >that can be serviced by astronauts / kosmonauts easily. > > > what hardware are they already using and how much data is it storing? > Maybe someone can write a FreeBSD driver for it. [...] for our current experiment on the ISS we use a venerable sun laptop that contains the control-software and records housekeeping data (like 1-5MB every month). The real data is just standard video images recorded by Standard VCRs. These are no options in the planned for experiment. [...] > >> 3) What exactly is a HSM going to do for you? > >HSM is useful if You have a hirarchy of storage with different > >qualities. > That's what I said. > > You indicated that your doing archival only - ie: "one quality" in your > terms. Is this not true? [...] Sorry. I seem to keep to much of my thoughts to myself: A data rate of 260MByte per second, the size and power limits seemed to prohibit real time compression. (We need 'lossless' compression, and there has not been an algorithm selected / designed yet.) I concluded we would have to record the 45 Minute 260MB/s databursts to some kind of fast intermediate storage (for example RAM or Solid State Disks, etc.). Then we could spend some time (e.g. a day) on transferring that data to permanent storage and possibly reprocessing / compressing offline. Sometimes experimentalists would like to read some 'old' data back into the machinery to do a little analysis online (via telescience) before a shuttle takes the 'tapes' back to earth. In addition the system should 'automatically' record metadata and implement redundancy. To me there seemed to exist two possible solutions (except for the completely handmade thingy): 1) a kind of batchmode system running {record, reprocess, store} and {reread, reprocess, manipulate} jobs that would be similar to a VCR and would require implementing metadata and redundancy 'by hand'. 2) or using some kind of storage manager, that could handle these tasks and manage resources 'automatically'. [...] > >150TB of data per year. If there is a > >shuttle mission each month, they will have to transport 10TB of data > >each time. > So then have someone design an optical solution for you. [...] I have monitored the 'optical solutions' market for three years now and I do not trust in them beeing able to deliver better data density than magnetic media in the next ten years... but then I would be delighted if they proved me wrong. [...] > >I also would like to use the > >same general technique today that we will launch in five years (and then > >use for up to ten more). So I would like to use standard hardware and > >software solutions. These will most likely adept to the future > >automatically. > Any standard solution will be hopelessly obsolete 10 years from now and > getting > parts for it will cost astronomically. [...] You are completely right --- talking about fixed hardware. (I see that my paragraph hints to such a thing.) Yet I thought about a combination of software and hardware, where both could be upgraded independently while still keeping standard interfaces available, and called that a 'standard solution'. I mean something like Intel CPU, PC Architecture and *BSD. All have changed over the last ten years quite a lot. But still I could run a software that would rely on 'standard' interfaces (like files, ports, pipes, etc.) from ten years back on todays most modern hardware and newest *BSD version. And the prices would even have dropped. [...] > > An HSM would be an important building block in my > >concept of a solution to the data storage problem, as it relieves me of > >all the problems connected with hirarchical storage management. > No, it relieves you of having to redesign a storage solution sometime in the > future when you START needing HSM. [...] Exactly that is what I was looking for. A solution that can be deployed now. That can already be used and experimented with at the same time that the experiment is build and improved. And it's components will evolve on market preasure over the next five years. [...] > I think that your grossly underestimating the technical problems of handling > 10TB of data a month in a 494x435x248mm space, with power of 200W (at 28VDC). [...] > You could end up with a need for 50TB of data [...] > You have an application here that's crying out for a custom-built > high-capacity data storage device that takes small space and little > power and your screwing around looking for an off the shelf HSM array > that will do it. Such an animal doesen't exist. You need to take > that R&D budget you have and put it towards R&D with one of the major > technical players - perhaps IBM - that can supplement your budget. Of > course your going to end up with a custom-built solution but that's > the entire point of the exercise as then such solution can be > translated into a real product. > > Instead of attempting to get some sort of standard now, what you need > to do is trust in the Capatalistic system to use whatever work your > R&D budget creates and make commercial products out of it. Then 10 > years from now such high-capacity arrays will cost $100 and be > available from Costco. Attempting to use off-the-shelf products now > does not help anybody realize any R&D leverage from your budget - > which is the entire point of the money spent on ISS. > > The dollars are available from the hardware manufacturers. Your > project would have high marketing value to them. Leverage that value! Yes. Maybe that is the best strategy to go with... and it would be in the best spirit of the ISS project. Considering my 'spare' time and all I heard in several discussions this will be a likely solution. Regards, Robert. -- Robert Suetterlin (robert@mpe.mpg.de) phone: (+49)89 / 30000-3546 fax: (+49)89 / 30000-3950 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:18:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ubermail.mweb.co.za (ubermail.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B593D37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [196.2.53.147] (helo=Debug) by ubermail.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 168Jhw-0008RG-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:13:52 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: vikashb@mweb.co.za Subject: Open Ingres II on FreeBSD 4.4 under Linux emulation Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:02:33 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.33 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I currently have a SCO OSR 5.0.4 box running Open Ingres II, I want to get rid of this OS and replace it with FBSD. Before I can do that I need to get ingres working on BSD. Which approach would be better Linux emulation or IBCS2 ? Am I beating a dead horse here ? Has any one attempted this before ? Thanks Vikash --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using M-Web Airmail. http://airmail.mweb.co.za/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:18:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe63.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E0537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:18:50 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.133.13] Reply-To: "default" From: "default" To: "FreeBSD-Questions" , "Paulius Bulotas" References: <20011126110253.GA58371@noname> Subject: Re: A good way to setup multiple cgi-bin on mod-ssl port Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:18:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-13" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 11:18:50.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FF0B9E0:01C1766C] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Paulius, That costs more money doesn't it? :) This is kindof an experimental thing ... and I don't have much money to work with, so I am just using a test cert right now... But ... I did find an answer to my problem... Took me a couple of hours of fooling around with it, and I still am unsure of why my first attempts didn't work... But now I have it up, and this is what I added to make it work: I turned on the addhandler for cgi-scripts (I realize this isn't needed, but it helped me experiment), and added this to the apache.conf: SSLOptions +StdEnvVars SetHandler cgi-script AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all Thanks, Jordan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulius Bulotas" To: "default" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:02 AM Subject: Re: A good way to setup multiple cgi-bin on mod-ssl port > Hi, > > why can't you get a wildcard certificate and use it? for your > *.domain.com? > > Paulius > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:22:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC96537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:22:16 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168Jq2-0001HS-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:22:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:22:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Jwhtencate Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: mail loops back to me In-Reply-To: <39.1e2133e9.2930a54f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 Jwhtencate@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have a common problem that I do find back in several FAQ's but I > don't seem to be able to find the solution. > > > =A0=A0 ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > someone@vwhatever.com > =A0 =A0 (reason: system config error) > > =A0=A0 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 553 5.3.5 whatever.com.mydomainname.com. config error: mail loops back to= me > (MX problem?) > 554 5.3.5 Someone@whatever.com... Local configuration error > > > I see so many FAQs about this subject but no answer is understandable eno= ugh > for me to find the solution. > I never see mentioned that my domain name is actually added to the addres= s of > the person i want to send an email to. > The strange thing is: =A0it does not always go wrong !!! > If I send an email to any AOL address or hotmail address, it all works fi= ne > and people do get the email but every other one (in general overseas) com= es > back in the way I described. > > Anyone one any idea ? Looks like there are potentially two problems here; fixing the first may make the second go away. 1. Check that any absolute addresses in your DNS configuration end with a "." This might fix your problem. 2. If it doesn't, ensure that you tell sendmail that it should be handling mail for that domain. You do this by creating a list of domain names (one per line) in /etc/mail/local-host-names. --=20 jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk "I like oranges more than apples!?" - that's like comparing apples and oran= ges! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:27:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0BC37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQBRUC03404; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:27:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <007e01c1766d$57595670$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Tony Landells" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <200111260357.OAA03582@tungsten.austclear.com.au> Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:27:31 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The default was "-s", which I changed in rc.conf to "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*"; if I understood correctly, this would tell syslogd to accept any remote messages coming from my own subnet (the router is at 10.0.0.30). But nothing was accepted with that. I finally tried running syslogd with _no_ options, and now the messages are being accepted. I'd still like to know why the -a option doesn't seem to work. I don't like leaving syslogd open to every machine on the network (even though nothing actually gets past the firewall). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Landells" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 04:57 Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router > What is the actual command line for the running syslogd? > > If you also have "-s" (which is set by default in /etc/defaults/rc.conf) > then syslogd won't accept connections from other servers. > > If you don't have "-s", then try running syslogd with no options > to check whether you get anything, which will at least tell you > whether it's your command line or syslog.conf that needs fixing. > > Tony > -- > Tony Landells > Senior Network Engineer Ph: +61 3 9677 9319 > Australian Clearing Services Pty Ltd Fax: +61 3 9677 9355 > Level 4, Rialto North Tower > 525 Collins Street > Melbourne VIC 3000 > Australia > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:30:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from i01sv4138.ids1.intelonline.com (i01sv4138-p.ids1.intelonline.com [147.208.166.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85C537B41D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from i01sv4081 (unverified [10.81.26.30]) by i01sv4138.ids1.intelonline.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: From: Matthias Bartels To: "questions@freebsd.org" X-Originating-IP: [217.4.90.93] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:30:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-mailer: AspMail 4.0 4.02 (SMT4DD4B4F) Subject: sound problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i have a problem with my onboard sound (ASUS A7A266). i recompiled and installed my kernel with: device pcm after making MAKEDEV snd0, as described in the handbook everything worked fine. But when i want to use the sound e.g. with xmms nothing happens, it means i could hear nothing with windoofs everything works fine has anybody an idea what i am doing wrong? Thank you Matze Ringtones, Logos und crazy Mailbox Ansagen für Dein Nokia-Handy @ www.genie.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:34:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D2937B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:34:11 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168K13-0001Sr-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:33:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:33:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Scott Mitchell , Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? In-Reply-To: <004001c175e8$26b827b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Wilko hit the problem in a separate e-mail: I had to have a tape in > the drive! Now I'm full of nostalgia--I haven't had to worry about > actually mounting tapes on drives since the days when the tape was > on an open reel! > > Anyway, once I put a tape in the drive, the mt command worked fine. > Now I need to try my first backup. > > Some questions that I couldn't find clear answers for, though: > > 1. Will dump backup files that are locked by readers? What about > files locked by writers? Yes, and yes. All file locks are advisory, pretty much; this is in contrast to NT (where you get the problems you mention). > 2. If the answer to question 1 is "no," how can I backup the root > filesystem or other filesystems that always have some files > allocated to someone? Well, you _can_ just dump them. It depends on what files are open, and by what; if you've got a database in a non-quiescent state you might want to switch it to journalling-only mode for the duration of the backup (or whatever the procedure is for hot backups) and switch it back afterwards. The trick to this is to try some restores while you're getting this worked out (to make sure everything you expect to be restored is) - you don't need to restore directly to the root, you can stick a copy somewhere. And, of course, to run periodic random restores to ensure everything is working.* jan * You don't need to be told this, of course, but it's worth saying anyway. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk Theoremhood is positively decidable. It just takes time at least exponential in the length of the proof. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:49:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ADA37B41F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:07 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168KG1-0001ci-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Robert Suetterlin Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: storing 10TB in 494x435x248mm, with power of 200W (at 28VDC) (was: why are You asking here) In-Reply-To: <20011126120431.C1170@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Robert Suetterlin wrote: > You are completely right --- talking about fixed hardware. (I see that > my paragraph hints to such a thing.) Yet I thought about a combination > of software and hardware, where both could be upgraded independently > while still keeping standard interfaces available, and called that a > 'standard solution'. I mean something like Intel CPU, PC Architecture > and *BSD. All have changed over the last ten years quite a lot. But > still I could run a software that would rely on 'standard' interfaces > (like files, ports, pipes, etc.) from ten years back on todays most > modern hardware and newest *BSD version. And the prices would even have > dropped. I'm interested in this. You indicated that hard radiation was a problem. This means using rad-hardened kit at looking at a fairly short component lifetime; hardened, erm, hardware tends to lag about n years behind state-of-the-art (or off-the-shelf), for a reasonable value of n. I think Ted's suggestion (ie, get a big player to build it for you - ideally for the marketing value, but probably for a huge sack of cash) seems to be the best approach here. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk YKYBPTMRogueW... you try to move diagonally in vi. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 3:55:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368DE37B41F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQBtEC03499; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:55:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <008901c17671$360f02e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: References: <001801c1764b$a22764c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:55:14 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted writes: > Heli-scan technology was a good thing when it came > out, but today there's DLT which is much better in > terms of reliability in a production environment. I'd use DLT if it didn't cost four times as much as DAT for both drives and media. With the light use I give my drive, and the fact that the drive reading the tape is always the same drive that wrote it, I hope not to have any problems any time soon. > When that figure starts to rise then get the tape > drive realigned before you start tossing tapes. Is realignment any cheaper than just buying a new drive? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 4:20:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AFE37B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQCKUC03548; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:20:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <009401c17674$bdea3010$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "setantae" , "Drew Tomlinson" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> <20011126091123.GA2864@rhadamanth> Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:20:30 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What options do you have on the syslogd command line, if any? ----- Original Message ----- From: "setantae" To: "Drew Tomlinson" Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" ; "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:11 Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:28:43PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > > > > I have my router set to send messages to syslog on my FreeBSD system > > > when connect attempts and the like are discarded, but nothing is being > > > logged. When I look at traffic with tcpdump, there are lots of messages > > > being sent to FreeBSD by the router, but I don't know where they are > > > going. What do I have to do to make this work? > > > > > > Currently I have syslogd starting with "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*" as options > > > (the router is at 10.0.0.30). The router is supposed to be sending > > > messages as facility local1, so I have > > > > > > local1.* /var/log/router.log > > > > I am not sure if this will work for you or not but try this: > > > > +local1 > > *.* /var/log/router.log > > No, that's not right. > The +line takes a hostname, not a facility. > > This works for me (where netpilot is in the same domain as the loghost) : > > +netpilot > *.* /var/log/netpilot > > It's in the fine manual. > > Ceri > > -- > keep a mild groove on > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 4:24:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB4037B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQCO3C03560; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:24:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Jan Grant" Cc: "Scott Mitchell" , "Wilko Bulte" , "FreeBSD Questions" References: Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:24:03 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any equivalent to the NTBackup option that verifies an entire backup immediately after it is written? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Grant" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "Scott Mitchell" ; "Wilko Bulte" ; "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:33 Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > Wilko hit the problem in a separate e-mail: I had to have a tape in > > the drive! Now I'm full of nostalgia--I haven't had to worry about > > actually mounting tapes on drives since the days when the tape was > > on an open reel! > > > > Anyway, once I put a tape in the drive, the mt command worked fine. > > Now I need to try my first backup. > > > > Some questions that I couldn't find clear answers for, though: > > > > 1. Will dump backup files that are locked by readers? What about > > files locked by writers? > > Yes, and yes. All file locks are advisory, pretty much; this is in > contrast to NT (where you get the problems you mention). > > > 2. If the answer to question 1 is "no," how can I backup the root > > filesystem or other filesystems that always have some files > > allocated to someone? > > Well, you _can_ just dump them. It depends on what files are open, and > by what; if you've got a database in a non-quiescent state you might > want to switch it to journalling-only mode for the duration of the > backup (or whatever the procedure is for hot backups) and switch it back > afterwards. > > The trick to this is to try some restores while you're getting this > worked out (to make sure everything you expect to be restored is) - you > don't need to restore directly to the root, you can stick a copy > somewhere. And, of course, to run periodic random restores to ensure > everything is working.* > > jan > > * You don't need to be told this, of course, but it's worth saying > anyway. > > -- > jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ > Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk > Theoremhood is positively decidable. > It just takes time at least exponential in the length of the proof. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 4:48:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from berbee.com (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC74737B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:48:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Debug (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by berbee.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAQCmK727091 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:48:20 -0600 Message-Id: <200111261248.fAQCmK727091@berbee.com> To: questions@freebsd.org From: zietlow@berbee.com Subject: Unknown user "root" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:48:20 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.22 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, this is a weird one. I just did a buildworld and installworld. I ran mergemaster to update my /etc files. I accidently hit the m for merge between my existing /etc/master.passwd and the new /etc/master.passwd. This took out all my user accounts and my root password. I went and copied the master.passwd.bak from /var/backups. I went to boot up the computer and I get these two messages "chown: root: illegal user name" right after the network setup. then when starting inet I get "no such user 'root' service ignored. I ended up powering down the computer (turned ctl-alt-del off) when I booted back up into single user mode the old /etc/master.passwd was there with the old passwd hashes. I went to delete the passwords out of there, same messages. I went to add a new user account it said something about pw and exit code 74. I can't get into my computer. I looked all over /etc Am I over looking something that would fix this? Any suggestions. I can't seem to find anything on google or anyone else having an issue like this. It's 4.4 Stable. TIA Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 4:54:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B652037B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQCsB122921 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQCsGm05622; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:54:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:54:16 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011126125416.GB5373@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> <002b01c17664$3fa0e240$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002b01c17664$3fa0e240$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/01 02:22 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: > . . . > Another common scam is setting a website up with banner adverts on it, th= en > spamming the world with an e-mail with the site URL in it. People often = will > go to the site to get the spammers real e-mail address and their site acc= ess > will increment the banner advertisement counter and put another .0001 cen= t in > the account of the spammer. If that ever happens to you you always want = to > take > the time to e-mail the advertiser in the banner as to what's going on, so > they can pull their advertising from the spammers website. Very good idea. Never thought of that myself. Of course it would have me cruising porn sites half the day . . . NSWTMOT L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Menu, n.: A list of dishes which the restaurant has just run out of. --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Ajt4eAPWYrNkRWIRArWtAJ9HqkxIOUdhrw2WyvjELppO4RfT0QCfUnx8 nFQqicraiorLgrhE3VhxeGY= =rRUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XOIedfhf+7KOe/yw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 4:57:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CDA37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQCv9r40828; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:57:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:57:09 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" Cc: Edward Tottle , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Visual Basic? Message-ID: <20011126075709.A40812@blackhelicopters.org> References: <001f01c17634$11fdb0a0$46a04f0c@372b401> <20011126034557.J44699-100000@big> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011126034557.J44699-100000@big>; from root@pukruppa.de on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:56:43AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are also a variety of free IDEs. Check under /usr/ports/devel. I understand that KDevelop is very popular. Personally, I use Emacs, which isn't what you're looking for. On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:56:43AM +0000, P. U. (Uli) Kruppa wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Edward Tottle wrote: > > Does BSD have an application similar to Visual Basic for programming in a > > GUI environment? > The "problem" is, you may program about anything in and on > FreeBSD yourself. To give you a first idea of FreeBSD's > possibilities have a look at > www.freebsd.org/ports/lang.html and - if you like - > www.freebsd.org/ports/java.html > > On lang.html you will find a long list of supported and > *free* computer-languages, java.html is specialized on JAVA. > > Regards, > > Uli. > > ************************************ > * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * > * Germany * > * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * > ************************************ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5: 3: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CC1B37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19564 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 13:03:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:03:18 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Message-ID: <20011126080318.A19559@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:24:03PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:24:03PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Is there any equivalent to the NTBackup option that verifies an entire backup > immediately after it is written? you mean like 'tar --verify'? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5: 8: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.dnt.md (dnt.md [195.138.124.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA2F37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sl@localhost) by zeus.dnt.md (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fAQD7vW58209 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:07:57 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:07:56 +0200 From: Veaceslav Revutchi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: wav file format Message-ID: <20011126150756.A57658@zeus.dnt.md> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi i need to burn an audio cd with burncd using wav files. i know wav has a header which if burned will sound like a click on a stereo syst. The questions is: how long is that header and can I get rid of it with 'dd''s skip option? thanks. slava To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5: 8:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F44737B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQD87H00274; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:08:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <00b301c1767b$64c28850$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Devin Smith" Cc: References: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011126080318.A19559@tharmas.rintrah.org> Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:08:07 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What if I'm doing backups with dump? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devin Smith" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 14:03 Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:24:03PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Is there any equivalent to the NTBackup option that verifies an entire backup > > immediately after it is written? > > you mean like 'tar --verify'? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:13: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F9437B41E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bossen (h139n2fls31o846.telia.com [217.208.108.139]) by mailf.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQDCw006410; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:12:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:15:55 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Stormwall X-X-Sender: To: Matthias Bartels Cc: "questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: sound problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126141254.C2179-100000@bossen.myhome.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! > i have a problem with my onboard sound (ASUS A7A266). > > i recompiled and installed my kernel with: > > device pcm > > after making MAKEDEV snd0, as described in the handbook everything > worked fine. > > But when i want to use the sound e.g. with xmms nothing happens, it > means i could hear nothing > with windoofs everything works fine > > has anybody an idea what i am doing wrong? > One issue can be that you dont have set the right permisstions to dsp and mixer. By setting these permission users can play music. Run as root: chmod 622 /dev/dsp chmod 666 /dev/mixer Hope this might help you! Best Regards, Tor Stormwall * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * | M A Y T H E S O U R C E B E W I T H Y O U | | | | Tor Stormwall mailto:tor@stormwall.org | | http://www.creson.com/~tor | | | | http://www.sslug.dk http://www.stormwall.org | | http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.muf.se | | | * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:16:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848B037B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA91324 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:16:42 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "FreeBSD Question List" Subject: Softupdates Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:20:26 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've started using softupdates on a new server. Wow!!! Question: Is it safe to use softupdates on ALL disks? I have a nagging recollection that someone once said it should NOT be used on /. Thanks, Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:47:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C2A837B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:47:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011126134749.38550.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.137.2.145] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:47:49 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:47:49 -0800 (PST) From: Asep Ruspeni Subject: bandwidth speed test To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hallo, my name is Asep Ruspeni my office connected to internet using "256 kbps", but i feel it much slower (even in holiday hour, say on sunday at 23.00) need some help : - is there any tools/commands i could use (especially in freebsd) to test the ACTUAL bandwidth i received from the ISP ? so the fact i could gain from this test will be the good reasons to change to another ISP. thank you in advance. asep ruspeni __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:51:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13AC637B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19690 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 13:51:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:51:51 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Message-ID: <20011126085151.A19682@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011126080318.A19559@tharmas.rintrah.org> <00b301c1767b$64c28850$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00b301c1767b$64c28850$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:08:07PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:08:07PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > What if I'm doing backups with dump? I don't think dump has any inherent way to verify. You might try restore the very last file, which should give a general idea about whether it worked. Nothing like tar --verify, though. Sorry. --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:51:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D57C37B41D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-154.wobline.de [212.68.69.162]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fAQDpKN24633; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:51:20 +0100 Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQDqUt51253; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:52:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by jodie.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQDor607329; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:51:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:50:53 +0100 (CET) From: Nils Holland To: "Patrick O'Reilly" Cc: FreeBSD Question List Subject: Re: Softupdates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126144141.A6950-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > I've started using softupdates on a new server. Wow!!! > > Question: Is it safe to use softupdates on ALL disks? I have a nagging > recollection that someone once said it should NOT be used on /. Without doubt, softupdates makes it likely that you would lose more data in case of a power failure or (which is very rare under FreeBSD) a system crash. There is actually no technical reason why softupdates should not be enabled on /. It is only a recommendation that someone may have given, and it's your job to decide if you want to follow that recommendation or not. On my own systems, I have softupdates enabled for everything, including /. There have not been any problems so far, while performance has obviously increased compared to softupdates turned off. In order to protect myself from the increased chance of data loss, I keep regular backups, which is a good idea anyway. One more thing that happens in conjunction with softupdates is the following: If you have softupdates turned on for /usr, have a look at df -h before you empty /usr/obj (or any other big directory) the next time. Right after the directory has been emptied, do df -h again. Then wait a minute and do even one more df -h. You will notice that the updating of the free space on your filesystems gets delayed with softupdates turned on. This may mean that under heavy file creation activities, your filesystem may already be full before it's actually visible that it's full, i.e. before the accountig information have been updated. However, I don't think that this should keep you from turning softupdated on for /. All in all I think you can safely turn softupdates on for /. Greetings Nils Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:52:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD9537B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQDqIH00419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:52:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <00c201c17681$91287110$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: What is the best secure_level setting? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:52:19 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking at secure_level in FreeBSD and wondering what setting is appropriate. The default seems to be the lowest possible setting of -1, but I don't see any obvious reason why I can't run at +1. What levels do you all run your systems at normally? I've already been warned that X servers won't run on a machine at secure_level=1, but for me that's just another reason not to use X servers on the host machine, not a reason to keep the secure_level lower. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:57:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD46637B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11553; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:57:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011126075714.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:57:14 -0600 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Stephen Hovey" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ...well, here we go again: "...as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message for ALL of them...." That's getting too close to censorship to suit me. You never know where that decision to filter ends depending on the person or his own abberations. "...please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the efforts..." That kind of talk is offensive to me and is as bad as the spam (which I just delete and get on with other stuff). While I've noticed you get on the "soapbox" a lot (every day) and dictate behavior to people on just about everything, try to use better language! Just help, without scolding everyone so much and clean up the talk! ...just another opinion and nothing personal! I'm beginning to believe your soapboxing is spam in disguise... ...book sales perhaps? ...hmmm... maybe your ad at the footer of very message makes me think that...? At 12:40 AM 11.26.2001 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >>To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>Subject: Re: this spam >> >> >> >>My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >>daily issue of it in my work.. >> >>Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >>an act of gymnastics.. >> >>Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >>sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >> >>Never do business with a spammer.. >> >>Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. >> > >Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've >seen >some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after >they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small >amount >of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) > >While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, >that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, >that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating >each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being >responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to >expend >in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the >effort >that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message >for >ALL of them. > >Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have >the >same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you >can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for >complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is >postponing >the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the >Internet >cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's >your >right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the >efforts >of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading >your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. > > >Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:58:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7F937B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA92542; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:58:25 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "Nils Holland" Cc: "FreeBSD Question List" Subject: RE: Softupdates Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:02:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011126144141.A6950-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: nils@jodie.ncptiddische.net [mailto:nils@jodie.ncptiddische.net]On > Behalf Of Nils Holland > Sent: 26 November 2001 15:51 > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > > > I've started using softupdates on a new server. Wow!!! > > > > Question: Is it safe to use softupdates on ALL disks? I have a nagging > > recollection that someone once said it should NOT be used on /. > > Without doubt, softupdates makes it likely that you would lose more data > in case of a power failure or (which is very rare under FreeBSD) a system > crash. There is actually no technical reason why softupdates should not be > enabled on /. It is only a recommendation that someone may have given, and > it's your job to decide if you want to follow that recommendation or not. > > On my own systems, I have softupdates enabled for everything, including /. > There have not been any problems so far, while performance has obviously > increased compared to softupdates turned off. In order to protect myself > from the increased chance of data loss, I keep regular backups, which is a > good idea anyway. > > One more thing that happens in conjunction with softupdates is the > following: If you have softupdates turned on for /usr, have a look at df > -h before you empty /usr/obj (or any other big directory) the next time. > Right after the directory has been emptied, do df -h again. Then wait a > minute and do even one more df -h. You will notice that the updating of > the free space on your filesystems gets delayed with softupdates turned > on. This may mean that under heavy file creation activities, your > filesystem may already be full before it's actually visible that it's > full, i.e. before the accountig information have been updated. However, I > don't think that this should keep you from turning softupdated on for /. > > All in all I think you can safely turn softupdates on for /. > > Greetings > Nils > Nils, thanks for that explanation - that's pretty much the way I understood it - but it is good to have confirmation. Regards, Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 5:59:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9754E37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card3-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 168MHq-00034b-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:59:06 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168MGP-0000hO-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:37 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:37 +0000 From: setantae To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Message-ID: <20011126135737.GA811@rhadamanth> Mail-Followup-To: setantae , Anthony Atkielski , FreeBSD Questions References: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> <20011126091123.GA2864@rhadamanth> <009401c17674$bdea3010$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <009401c17674$bdea3010$0a00000a@atkielski.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:20:30PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > What options do you have on the syslogd command line, if any? Just this in /etc/rc.conf : syslogd_flags="-a 212.250.77.217/32" Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6: 2:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CAF37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card3-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 168ML3-00039z-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:02:25 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168MIz-0000iS-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:00:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:00:17 +0000 From: setantae To: zietlow@berbee.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unknown user "root" Message-ID: <20011126140017.GB811@rhadamanth> References: <200111261248.fAQCmK727091@berbee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111261248.fAQCmK727091@berbee.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 12:48:20PM +0000, zietlow@berbee.com wrote: > Hi there, this is a weird one. I just did a buildworld and installworld. I ran > mergemaster to update my /etc files. I accidently hit the m for merge between > my existing /etc/master.passwd and the new /etc/master.passwd. This took out > all my user accounts and my root password. I went and copied the > master.passwd.bak from /var/backups. I went to boot up the computer and I get > these two messages "chown: root: illegal user name" right after the network > setup. then when starting inet I get "no such user 'root' service ignored. I > ended up powering down the computer (turned ctl-alt-del off) when I booted back > up into single user mode the old /etc/master.passwd was there with the old > passwd hashes. pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd to rebuild the databases. -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6: 4:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4403F37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA86773; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Hovey To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get all wound up and sick over it. On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: this spam > > > > > > > >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a > >daily issue of it in my work.. > > > >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, > >an act of gymnastics.. > > > >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER > >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... > > > >Never do business with a spammer.. > > > >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. > > > > Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've > seen > some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after > they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small > amount > of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, > that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating > each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being > responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to > expend > in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the > effort > that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message > for > ALL of them. > > Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have > the > same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you > can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for > complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is > postponing > the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the > Internet > cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's > your > right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the > efforts > of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading > your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6: 9:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nelly.internal.irrelevant.org (irrelevant.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270937B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from simond by nelly.internal.irrelevant.org with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168MPz-00012G-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:07:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:07:31 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: Devin Smith Cc: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? Message-ID: <20011126140731.GM2132@irrelevant.org> References: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011126080318.A19559@tharmas.rintrah.org> <00b301c1767b$64c28850$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011126085151.A19682@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126085151.A19682@tharmas.rintrah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 08:51:51AM -0500, Devin Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:08:07PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > What if I'm doing backups with dump? > > I don't think dump has any inherent way to verify. You might try restore the very last file, which should give a general idea about whether it worked. Nothing like tar --verify, though. Sorry. He could try a restore with the -N flag, which basically does a restore but doesn't write anything to disk. -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:16:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51A037B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:16:10 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168MY7-0003O1-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:15:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:15:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Scott Mitchell , Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Time for my first backup, how do I install a DDS drive?? In-Reply-To: <009d01c17675$3cf20630$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Is there any equivalent to the NTBackup option that verifies an entire backup > immediately after it is written? restore -N; for more than this (rudimentary) support, you might want to investigate something that does most of your thinking for you (for example, amanda) -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk "NOP" is a trivial implementation of an executable Z subset. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:20: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB9137B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:19:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: "Patrick O'Reilly" , "Nils Holland" Subject: Re: Softupdates Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:19:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: "FreeBSD Question List" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 26 November 2001 09:02, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > > From: nils@jodie.ncptiddische.net [mailto:nils@jodie.ncptiddische.net]On > > Behalf Of Nils Holland > > Sent: 26 November 2001 15:51 > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > > > I've started using softupdates on a new server. Wow!!! > > > > > > Question: Is it safe to use softupdates on ALL disks? I have a nagging > > > recollection that someone once said it should NOT be used on /. > > > > Without doubt, softupdates makes it likely that you would lose more data > > in case of a power failure or (which is very rare under FreeBSD) a system > > crash. Let's not exagerate this. The only data you are more likely to lose is the data that was in the process of being written as you crashed; if anything, soft updates will likely increase the reliability of fsck recovery (at least that's my experience; I'd had multiple fsck recovery failures without and none with); it certainly won't decrease it. Also, you most definately should turn off write-caching if you turn on softupdates. In fact, you should do this anyway: softupdates are really rather safe, but write caching is quite dangerous, and doubly so with softupdates enabled. To do this, set hw.ata.wc=0 in your /boot/loader.conf (assuming IDE devices). > > There is actually no technical reason why softupdates should not > > be enabled on /. It is only a recommendation that someone may have given, > > and it's your job to decide if you want to follow that recommendation or > > not. The main reason for this is the following, which is a very valid point, and which has a greater effect on smaller file systems and file systems that tend to be run closer to their maximum size: > > One more thing that happens in conjunction with softupdates is the > > following: If you have softupdates turned on for /usr, have a look at df > > -h before you empty /usr/obj (or any other big directory) the next time. > > Right after the directory has been emptied, do df -h again. Then wait a > > minute and do even one more df -h. You will notice that the updating of > > the free space on your filesystems gets delayed with softupdates turned > > on. This may mean that under heavy file creation activities, your > > filesystem may already be full before it's actually visible that it's > > full, And perhaps more to the point it may fill up (write failure) when it would never have filled up without softupdates. This is probably an issue for /tmp more than /, if they are on separate partitions, but at the same time /tmp is where you gain one of your biggest performance gainst, so it's better to use a large enough /tmp that you can enable softupdates on it than to disable them. If you are lucky enough to have /tmp on a separate physical drive, itdeal would be to enable write cache on /tmp as well since you don't care what you lose on /tmp if you crash . . . -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:27:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A8337B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([199.243.149.34]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011126142715.DJKU21717.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:27:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAQEJ0t53607; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:19:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@xena.gsicomp.on.ca) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Emmerton To: vikashb@mweb.co.za Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Ingres II on FreeBSD 4.4 under Linux emulation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 vikashb@mweb.co.za wrote: > Greetings, > > I currently have a SCO OSR 5.0.4 box running Open Ingres II, > I want to get rid of this OS and replace it with FBSD. > > Before I can do that I need to get ingres working on BSD. > > Which approach would be better > Linux emulation or IBCS2 ? > Am I beating a dead horse here ? I would go with Linux emulation. It's much more proven and easier to fix should you run into problems. (I've run various Progress DB apps for Linux on FreeBSD without hitches, wherease the SCO version of the same apps won't even load.) -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:28:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2489D37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:28:09 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168MiJ-0003XD-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:26:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:26:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: What is the best secure_level setting? In-Reply-To: <00c201c17681$91287110$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I am looking at secure_level in FreeBSD and wondering what setting is > appropriate. The default seems to be the lowest possible setting of -1, but I > don't see any obvious reason why I can't run at +1. What levels do you all run > your systems at normally? > > I've already been warned that X servers won't run on a machine at > secure_level=1, but for me that's just another reason not to use X servers on > the host machine, not a reason to keep the secure_level lower. As always, it depends on your intended use for the system. There's additional frustration to work around when updating your system at a higher secure level, but this is pretty irrelevant if you're sitting at the console. "As high as is convenient" is the right number to use, where "convenience" includes a risk assessment in the case of a system compromise. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk Leverage that synergy! Ooh yeah, looking good! Now stretch - and relax. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:33:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E5A837B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19853 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 14:33:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:33:53 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: Asep Ruspeni Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bandwidth speed test Message-ID: <20011126093353.A19826@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: Asep Ruspeni , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011126134749.38550.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011126134749.38550.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com>; from asepruspeni@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:47:49AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:47:49AM -0800, Asep Ruspeni wrote: > hallo, my name is Asep Ruspeni > > my office connected to internet using "256 kbps", but > i feel it much slower (even in holiday hour, say on > sunday at 23.00) > > need some help : > - is there any tools/commands i could use (especially > in freebsd) to test the ACTUAL bandwidth i received > from the ISP ? > so the fact i could gain from this test will be the > good reasons to change to another ISP. > try wget ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/iozone3_67.tar when no one else is on the network. It should download the whole file and give the average speed of the download after it finishes. Try this with a couple largish files on several different servers. e.g. ftp2.freebsd.org ftp3.freebsd.org ftp4.freebsd.org Remember though that the 256 is usually the *maximum* speed. The guaranteed speed is usually much lower. --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:44: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC11137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 61413 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 14:43:56 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.21804.774942.105080@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:43:56 -0600 To: Devin Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help In-Reply-To: <99357027@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Devin Smith types: > [snip] > > > What I woudl like to do is have a script search each of the directories = > > > for mp3 files and dump that output into a .m3u (playlist file) in it. = > > > for example.. > > > > #!/bin/sh > > find . -type d -print | > > while read x > > do > > (cd "$x"; ls *.mp3 > "$x.m3u") > > done > > Might I suggest the following small changes, assuming you want *all* the mp3 > files listed in one playlist. > > #!/bin/sh > find . -type d -print | > while read x > do > (cd "$x"; ls | grep -i mp3 >> "~/playlist.m3u") > done > > which also has the advantage of listing files which end in uppercase or mixed case, i.e. song.MP3 or song.Mp3. Ah - good point; the "grep -i" instead of ls'ing for just the thing you want in one case. You could also use "ls *.[Mm][Pp]3". You do need to change it to "grep -i 'mp3$' to avoid false positives, though. However, if you just want one big playlist, why fool with the read loop at all: find . -name '*.[Mm][Pp]3' | sed 's;^.*/;;' > ~/playlist.m3u or find . -type f | sed -n -e 's;^.*/;;' -e '/[Mm][Pp]3$/p' > ~/playlist.m3u or find . -type f | grep -i 'mp3$' | sed 's;^.*/;;' > ~/playlist.m3u or ... Oh yeah, while I'm here - it's best to capture the output of a while loop directly, not by appending to a file in the middle of the loop. That keeps you from getting fouled up if you try and run it a second time: find . -type d | while read x do (cd "$x"; ls) done | grep -i 'mp3$' > ~/playlist.m3u I moved the grep outside the loop so you only run it once while I was at it. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:50:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C982937B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpage.com (poomba.magpage.com [216.155.24.136]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQEoTG65084 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:50:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C0256B4.5020506@magpage.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:50:28 -0500 From: Daniel Frazier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011112 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: out of memory error... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RRT-Status: UNKNOWN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello all, The standard class for users on our shell server is defined like this in /etc/login.conf... standard:\ :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ :welcome=/etc/motd:\ :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K:\ :path=~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ :manpath=/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ :cputime=1h30m:\ :datasize=24M:\ :stacksize=2M:\ :memorylocked=4M:\ :memoryuse=10M:\ :filesize=16M:\ :coredumpsize=8M:\ :openfiles=24:\ :maxproc=32:\ :priority=0:\ :requirehome:\ :umask=022:\ :ignoretime@:\ :tc=default: One of the users on this box has recently been complaining about recieving an error when trying to use cpan. This is what he provided us to show the error... alaska:/home1/users/sgodin> perl -MCPAN -e 'shell' cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.59) ReadLine support available (try 'install Bundle::CPAN') cpan> m CPAN CPAN: Storable loaded ok Going to read /home1/users/sgodin/.cpan/Metadata Going to read /home1/users/sgodin/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Going to read /home1/users/sgodin/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz Going to read /home1/users/sgodin/.cpan/sources/modules/03modlist.data.gz Out of memory! Lockfile removed. Callback called exit. alaska:/home1/users/sgodin> This is definately caused when trying to read that last gzip's archive into memory, but I can't tell which limit specifically was being reached. Can anyone tell which limit it was, or suggest a way to determine this? The only way I've thought of so far would be to raise one limit at a time and see if that affects the situation, but is there a better way? IMHO, it seems there should be... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Frazier Tel: 302-239-5900 Ext. 231 Systems Administrator Fax: 302-239-3909 MAGPAGE, We Power the Internet WWW: http://www.magpage.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 6:52:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB9B137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 61508 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 14:52:25 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.22313.190992.881771@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:52:25 -0600 To: Brian T.Schellenberger Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: /tmp (Was: Softupdates) In-Reply-To: <68103924@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian T.Schellenberger types: > If you are lucky enough to have /tmp on a separate physical drive, itdeal > would be to enable write cache on /tmp as well since you don't care what you > lose on /tmp if you crash . . . In that case, merge /tmp into the swap partition, and mount it via mfs like so: /dev/da1s1b /tmp mfs rw,nosymfollow,nosuid,-s=262144 0 0 which creates a 128 meg /tmp as a swap-backed memory file system. I don't think you can turn on softupdates. On the other hand, you don't really care, as data doesn't get written to disk unless it's swapped out anyway. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.23055.336143.894625@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:04:47 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the best secure_level setting? In-Reply-To: <7413761@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski types: > I am looking at secure_level in FreeBSD and wondering what setting is > appropriate. The default seems to be the lowest possible setting of -1, but I > don't see any obvious reason why I can't run at +1. What levels do you all run > your systems at normally? > > I've already been warned that X servers won't run on a machine at > secure_level=1, but for me that's just another reason not to use X servers on > the host machine, not a reason to keep the secure_level lower. Once you turn it up to 1, you can't install a new kernel or load kernel modules. Other things - hardware health monitors, for instance - also fail. For those reasons, I run things that aren't accessible from the internet at large at -1. If an attacker has a shell account on such a machine, the network is already fubar'ed, and I like being able to install new kernels and run hardware health monitors on them. Things that can be reached from the internet are set to 3. System things on them don't change very often, so this isn't much of an inconvenience. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. 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[64.4.14.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCBA37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:11:15 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.195.212.67] From: "Paul '" To: Subject: www ftp mirrors? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 15:11:15.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[9764CFF0:01C1768C] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm looking to obtain some bootable floppy images for 4.4 release and cant seem to find a www mirror of any freebsd ftp site. I would get them via ftp but here at work our firewall turns around all external ftp access. Does FreeBSD have an official www source for floppy images? what about a full installation via www, is this possible? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:13:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu [134.129.125.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B0537B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fAQFDfU18648; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:13:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tinguely) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:13:41 -0600 (CST) From: mark tinguely Message-Id: <200111261513.fAQFDfU18648@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> To: joost@bps.jodocus.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: RE: IPFW/VLAN Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, puga@mauibuilt.com In-Reply-To: <000101c17649$90e06600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In reality, what they are actually doing here is tying ipfw specifically > to Ethernet when it comes to treatment of ARP packets. This > is philosophically wrong as a FreeBSD system could theoredically have > a broadcast-type interface on it in which ARP had meaning and Ethernet > typing didn't. (for example, if someone wrote an ARCnet driver for it, > which is highly unlikely) Actually, there are now a couple ARCnet drivers for FreeBSD. The existing ARP code in the network stack is ethernet length-centric, but there are patches to correct that. Possibly the ipfw code can adapt these changes also. --mark tinguely. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from webs1.accretive-networks.net (webs1.accretive-networks.net [207.246.154.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CF537B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (davidk@localhost) by webs1.accretive-networks.net (8.11.1/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQFIKT31330; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: David Kirchner X-X-Sender: To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Stephen Hovey , Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Message-ID: <20011126071615.P15780-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggestion. Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:23:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D8937B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24872; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:23:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011126092308.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:23:08 -0600 To: Stephen Hovey , Ted Mittelstaedt From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: this spam Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen: You are rigt and that was my very point earlier.... it may be okay to suggest that a mailserver administrator decide what is spam, until he decides it is YOUR emails... that's way too much powe to give to a single person or place... then censorship sets in without bounds to some who go to extremes.... people being people... I can spot spam 99% of the time without opening the message... only that 1% of the time do I open one and then delete... a lot less effort. I doubt if spam will ever be stopped, but I don't mind those who look for tools to slow it down... until THEY want to decide what I should or shouldn't read! ...Plain censorship! At 09:04 AM 11.26.2001 -0500, Stephen Hovey wrote: > >Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get >all wound up and sick over it. > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Re: this spam >> > >> > >> > >> >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >> >daily issue of it in my work.. >> > >> >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >> >an act of gymnastics.. >> > >> >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >> >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >> > >> >Never do business with a spammer.. >> > >> >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. >> > >> >> Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've >> seen >> some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after >> they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small >> amount >> of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) >> >> While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, >> that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >> Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, >> that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating >> each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being >> responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to >> expend >> in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the >> effort >> that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message >> for >> ALL of them. >> >> Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have >> the >> same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you >> can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for >> complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is >> postponing >> the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the >> Internet >> cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's >> your >> right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the >> efforts >> of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading >> your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:46:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f220.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E03937B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:46:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:46:03 -0800 Received: from 66.46.21.253 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:46:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.46.21.253] From: "Miroslav Pendev" To: alx@scn.ru Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise FastTrak TX2v2 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:46:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 15:46:03.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[7446B150:01C17691] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Alex, I have P4, 1.5GHz, ASUS P4B and Fastrack TX2 (bios 2.00 build 2) (which is probably v.2) and FreeBSD 4.4 RELEASE - in RAID 1 mode works PERFECT!!! with 2x40GB Quantum HDD and 20 GB for the system. the device is ar0 as detected by GENERIC kernel. I did not try to boot from the RAID 1, but probably it sholud work, also! hope that's helping you! Miro IT Administrator *I love FreeBSD* >Hi ! >Sorry for crosspost - it's very urgent. >Is there any possibility to use subject hardware in Raid 1 mode with >FreeBSD 4.4-Stable ? If yes answer please in details and directly - I >am >currently out of list. >Thanks, >Alex N. Zhuravlev. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:53:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web11704.mail.yahoo.com (web11704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 940DE37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011126155309.44804.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.140.253.2] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:53:09 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Erlin Subject: X and multiple monitors To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd like to be able to plug my laptop into an external monitor and either extend my existing workspace onto that monitor or set up a second workspace there. I'm not sure where to start looking for info about this. I'm using XFree86 4 and Windowmaker. Is this sort of thing a function of X or the window manager? Anyone know of a good how-to, or other resources? TIA. --Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:19:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416AC37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11629 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:18:28 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fAQGJrB31548 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:19:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:19:53 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam (Geez) Message-ID: <20011126161952.GB31370@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011126071615.P15780-100000@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126071615.P15780-100000@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/01 07:18 AM, David Kirchner sat at the `puter and typed: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >=20 > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam= is OK, > > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly = the > > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailse= rver, >=20 > This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when > they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify > them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it > happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, > too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggestion. > Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) Now, I was afraid this would turn into a holy war, and It looks to be headed down that path. No one can reasonably claim that letting your users get spammed is a form of censorship. Especially if they are allowed to opt out of the filtering process. Do I want to censor content on my computer? Da..rn straight. I have a child at home and I want to make sure she doesn't learn about certain things until I think she's ready. That's my job as a father. In spite of my Catholic upbringing (or maybe because of it?), I'm dead against any form of censorship. So long as censorship is defined as the prevention of a willful exchange of information between parties, in which no other party is exploited or harmed against their will. Is that a good enough definition? I'm not a lawyer, so I know someone out there will be inclined to expand upon that, but please don't. This is getting far enough OT. Anyway, No, I wouldn't rail you for your suggestion above, I think it keeps you out of the censorship crowd pretty well, while still offering protection to those users who have better things to do. Few people still pay a timescale for their internet access, but their ISPs do essentially pay for every second their customers are dialed up. It uses resources. When all their customers have to spend more time on the line to get all the spam filtered, this increases the level of resources that must be available. So, I still think ISPs are fully justified in simply saying 'your mail will be filtered to prevent spam from stealing ISP resources'. So long as they notify their users. The censorship issue is not appropriate (IMHO) to this discussion, tho. Aside from dragging this further down OT road, it is minor and easily avoided so far as it applies to the topic of spam. Sorry to everyone for dropping another slew of opinions (and that's all they are, no need to argue it because I'm stubborn :). I will follow this thread for at least a little while, but I'll endeavor to keep my 2 cents out of it from here on. HAND Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Gravity brings me down. --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AmuoeAPWYrNkRWIRAmvOAJ43wZdiBAxeqfjPt7rdD8ptjS3HUQCfdt4t Cplg63GqbHibFYykygddOko= =MVSP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:24: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A17937B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38ldg1r.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.192.59] helo=Main) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168OXt-0004dI-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c17696$972dd5e0$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: "Mike Meyer" , "Devin Smith" , Cc: References: <15362.21804.774942.105080@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:22:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks so much for the help guys. I will try that while/read combo. I currently have a script that will build a list of all the mp3 files and them parse them to a playlist. It is fairly simple but it gets that job done. # Parse mp3 files into m3u playlist find /mp3 -iname "*.mp3" > /mp3/allsongsbydir.txt sed -e 's;/mp3;http:12.159.64.5;' -e 's/ /%20/g' /mp3/allsongsbydir.txt > /mp3/allsongs.m3u So if I touched up that while/read, I should have something like this? #!/bin/sh find /usr/test -type d -print | while read songs do (cd "$songs"; find -iname "*.mp3" > "$songs.m3u") done ok, cool... I hope that is right. Can't wait to try it. Hmmm, ok, this looks like it will put just the songs in the output file, though, in order for the playlist to work, it needs the path to the file also... so I make this change... (find "$songs" -iname "*.mp3" > "$songs.m3u") And I think that puts me right back into the same problem as before, haven't real time tested it yet. Will do that as soon as I can and see what I get, in both formats. If worse comes to worse, I will build all the songs.m3u files in each directory... then figure out how to script adding the directory path in front of each song in the .m3u files. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Meyer" To: "Devin Smith" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help > Devin Smith types: > > [snip] > > > > What I woudl like to do is have a script search each of the directories = > > > > for mp3 files and dump that output into a .m3u (playlist file) in it. = > > > > for example.. > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > find . -type d -print | > > > while read x > > > do > > > (cd "$x"; ls *.mp3 > "$x.m3u") > > > done > > > > Might I suggest the following small changes, assuming you want *all* the mp3 > > files listed in one playlist. > > > > #!/bin/sh > > find . -type d -print | > > while read x > > do > > (cd "$x"; ls | grep -i mp3 >> "~/playlist.m3u") > > done > > > > which also has the advantage of listing files which end in uppercase or mixed case, i.e. song.MP3 or song.Mp3. > > Ah - good point; the "grep -i" instead of ls'ing for just the thing > you want in one case. You could also use "ls *.[Mm][Pp]3". You do need > to change it to "grep -i 'mp3$' to avoid false positives, though. > > However, if you just want one big playlist, why fool with the read > loop at all: > > find . -name '*.[Mm][Pp]3' | sed 's;^.*/;;' > ~/playlist.m3u > or > find . -type f | sed -n -e 's;^.*/;;' -e '/[Mm][Pp]3$/p' > ~/playlist.m3u > or > find . -type f | grep -i 'mp3$' | sed 's;^.*/;;' > ~/playlist.m3u > or > ... > > Oh yeah, while I'm here - it's best to capture the output of a while > loop directly, not by appending to a file in the middle of the > loop. That keeps you from getting fouled up if you try and run it a > second time: > > find . -type d | > while read x > do > (cd "$x"; ls) > done | grep -i 'mp3$' > ~/playlist.m3u > > I moved the grep outside the loop so you only run it once while I was > at it. > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:34:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sun5.cww.telecomitalia.it (proxy03.csi.telecomitalia.it [212.210.43.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654B337B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun5.cww.telecomitalia.it (helo=netsiel.it) by sun5.cww.telecomitalia.it with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 168OhM-0002LO-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:33:36 +0100 Message-ID: <3C026ED7.2E48DFF8@netsiel.it> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:33:27 +0100 From: Fabrizio Fresco X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Erlin Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X and multiple monitors References: <20011126155309.44804.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tim Erlin wrote: > > I'd like to be able to plug my laptop into an external > monitor and either extend my existing workspace onto > that monitor or set up a second workspace there. I'm > not sure where to start looking for info about this. > I'm using XFree86 4 and Windowmaker. Is this sort of > thing a function of X or the window manager? Anyone > know of a good how-to, or other resources? This is a XFree thing, see http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO.html bye To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:47: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4972A37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQGkm106124 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111261646.fAQGkm106124@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: successfully builidng openoffice? From: "Richard E. Hawkins" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:46:48 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Iknow the port is broken, but I've seen a few comments about functional builds. I've tried checking out from cvs, but that doesn't do it either. I added the stl4port, and follow the direction to tell it where the headers are (./configure --with-stlport4-home=/usr/local/include/stlport), but now it can't find the libraries. I haven't been able to find anything vaguely recent with the freebsd archive, geocrawler, or google . . . hawk -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:58:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9439637B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 63449 invoked by uid 100); 26 Nov 2001 16:58:18 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15362.29866.50899.442237@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:58:18 -0600 To: "Totally Jayyness" Cc: Subject: Re: Scripting Problems please help In-Reply-To: <002401c17696$972dd5e0$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> References: <15362.21804.774942.105080@guru.mired.org> <002401c17696$972dd5e0$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Totally Jayyness types: > #!/bin/sh > find /usr/test -type d -print | > while read songs do > (cd "$songs"; find -iname "*.mp3" > "$songs.m3u") > done -iname is nice touch. They just keep adding hooks. The "-print" on the first find is irrelevant. That version should create a file with the directory name in each directory, that list the mp3 files in that directory and all of it's subdirectories, recursively. You said that was Ok, but didn't say it was a requirement. > Hmmm, ok, this looks like it will put just the songs in the output file, > though, in order for the playlist to work, it needs the path to the file > also... so I make this change... > > (find "$songs" -iname "*.mp3" > "$songs.m3u") No. That one will just create a songs.m3u in the top directory containting the files found in the last directory you searched. Let's get the problem statement straight. You have a tree of files, some of which are mp3's, possibly called Mp3 or MP3 or mP3. Do you want a playlist created in each directory containing 1) the mp3s in that directory, 2) the mp3s in that directory and all subdirectories of it, or 3) something I've overlooked? In each playlist, do you want the path to the file from a) the directory the playlist is in, b) the top of the tree you're runnings this from, c) absolute or d) something I've overlooked. 1a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; ls | grep -i '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 1b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 1c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; find . -iname '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 2b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done ls is the wrong tool for listing filenames with the path. So the only case it works for is when all you want is files in the current directory with the path relative to that directory (i.e. - none). Find always lists files with full path information. So we create playlist by the path information off - being careful to preserve multiple spaces in the names. To get names relative to the current directory, you cd into that directory and run find (or ls for 1a) just putting the output in the playlist. Whether you start the outer find with "." or "/mp3dir" is irrelevant, because the inner find is going to start at "." after the cd. To get paths relative to the top directory, you run the outer find on ., the inner find on the directory name, and redirect the output appropriately. To get full paths, do the same except that you start the outer find with the full path. If you want to keep find from descending into subdirectories, use "-maxdepth 1". If you need option 3 or d, it's going to wait until after I get some sleep. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 8:59: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FC437B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQGwvH00992 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:58:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <00e201c1769b$a36bbd40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Calculating swap file size Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:58:53 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since memory isn't very expensive these days, I'm thinking of adding more RAM to my FreeBSD machine; it has 256 MB, but I was thinking of going to 1 GB, which is the capacity of this machine. Currently, I have a 800 MB swap partition (or is it a slice?--I know it's not a filesystem) defined. Is this enough for 1 GB of RAM? Is there any kind of strong correlation between RAM size and swap file size that I have to be concerned about? Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when RAM is exhausted, or does it have to use the swap file all the time (as in a one-to-one VM mapping scheme)? If the swap file is of less than optimal size, what happens? I looked at the swapinfo command and it shows 0% of the swap file used (the system is not heavily loaded by any measure). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9: 5:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mrtwig.citlink.net (mrtwig.citlink.net [207.173.229.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E030E37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net ([207.173.248.249]) by mrtwig.citlink.net (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license a3e2d54ac3b1df4217e834deb9d77e31) with ESMTP id <20011126171009.CNMP60244.mrtwig@blacklamb.mykitchentable.net>; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:10:09 -0600 Received: from tagalong (unknown [165.107.42.150]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 14E0CEE653; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000b01c1769c$8d6c1110$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "setantae" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <004401c1761f$dc01be10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <005d01c1762a$730a3f80$0b01a8c0@lc.ca.gov> <20011126091123.GA2864@rhadamanth> <009401c17674$bdea3010$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:05:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "setantae" ; "Drew Tomlinson" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:20 AM Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router > What options do you have on the syslogd command line, if any? I use "-a 192.168.1.1" which is the IP address of my router. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "setantae" > To: "Drew Tomlinson" > Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" ; "FreeBSD Questions" > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:11 > Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:28:43PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > I have my router set to send messages to syslog on my FreeBSD system > > > > when connect attempts and the like are discarded, but nothing is being > > > > logged. When I look at traffic with tcpdump, there are lots of messages > > > > being sent to FreeBSD by the router, but I don't know where they are > > > > going. What do I have to do to make this work? > > > > > > > > Currently I have syslogd starting with "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*" as options > > > > (the router is at 10.0.0.30). The router is supposed to be sending > > > > messages as facility local1, so I have > > > > > > > > local1.* /var/log/router.log > > > > > > I am not sure if this will work for you or not but try this: > > > > > > +local1 > > > *.* /var/log/router.log > > > > No, that's not right. > > The +line takes a hostname, not a facility. > > > > This works for me (where netpilot is in the same domain as the loghost) : > > > > +netpilot > > *.* /var/log/netpilot > > > > It's in the fine manual. > > > > Ceri > > > > -- > > keep a mild groove on > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:10:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D62237B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQHAR342285; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:10:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:10:27 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size Message-ID: <20011126121027.A42249@blackhelicopters.org> References: <00e201c1769b$a36bbd40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00e201c1769b$a36bbd40$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:58:53PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it depends on what you're doing. If you're doing kernel debugging, 800M of swap will not let you dump a kernel image to disk. This would be bad. If you're a user, 800M of swap should be more than enough. I have 1G of RAM, and never even touch swap. FreeBSD only uses swap when it runs out of physical memory. Once swap is allocated, however, it tends to hang on to it. There's a FAQ entry about this. On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:58:53PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Since memory isn't very expensive these days, I'm thinking of adding more RAM to > my FreeBSD machine; it has 256 MB, but I was thinking of going to 1 GB, which is > the capacity of this machine. Currently, I have a 800 MB swap partition (or is > it a slice?--I know it's not a filesystem) defined. Is this enough for 1 GB of > RAM? Is there any kind of strong correlation between RAM size and swap file > size that I have to be concerned about? Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when > RAM is exhausted, or does it have to use the swap file all the time (as in a > one-to-one VM mapping scheme)? If the swap file is of less than optimal size, > what happens? > > I looked at the swapinfo command and it shows 0% of the swap file used (the > system is not heavily loaded by any measure). > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:16: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from yosemite.icn.state.ia.us (yosemite.icn.state.ia.us [165.206.54.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938E037B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by yosemite.icn.state.ia.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Ballard, Shawn" To: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Compaq 5i driver needs copied to Hard Disk after sysinstall Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:15:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Installing FreeBSD 4.4 on a Compaq DL380 and the 5i smart array controller. Install using floppies, recognize all drives (Yeah), but come to the end of the installation where if you exit /stand/sysinstall the system reboots. I need to get my driver off the floppy and onto my hard drive at this time. If I start an emergency shell, I cannot access the floppy because sysinstall has it locked. How can I copy the driver I need on the floppy to the directory I require. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Shawn Ballard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:24:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.23.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CDA37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from xena (xena.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.148]) by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5963F15554 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:24:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008001c1769f$2497f2a0$94cba8c0@xena> From: "Drew Derbyshire" To: Subject: console data intermixed with kernel output Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:24:02 -0500 Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why is the daily security kernel output configured to include the /dev/console output, which is basically a duplicate of the kernel output? If anything like log in vain is enabled, it makes the output twice as long and three times as hard to read. -ahd- -- Internet: ahd+xena@kew.com Voice: 781-279-9812 Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be taught how not to. So it is with the great programmers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:26: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cswgraphics.com (host-64-65-195-100.choiceone.net [64.65.195.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DC137B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from citystamp.com (wanid.cswgraphics.com [64.65.195.58]) by cswgraphics.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29792; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:23:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C01299D.4CE28DAA@citystamp.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:25:49 -0500 From: "Matthew P. Marino" Reply-To: bind9@citystamp.com Organization: City Stamp Works Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrew C. Hornback" Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt , Michael Lucas , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Life working at an ISP (was: RE: Lockdown of FreeBSD machine directly on Net) References: <000a01c16a03$3f81c580$6600000a@ach.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Life aint much different anywhere else. My office is in a 12x14 room. 3 routers, 2 hubs, 9 servers and a co-worker. There is NO AC duct in the room. We leave the door wide open with 2 ceiling tiles poped out( air won't come in if it can't get out!!) because if we don't, machines start dropping parts. Consequently a lot of software wanders out of the office at night. There's no cash flow reasons here. It's just that the building is tight for space, what with ever second person being a manager of some sort. We are all cross bearers and crutch masters. My saving grace is that my manager recognizes that the conditions suck and otherwise respects us for not whining about it. t is, there's nothing like trying to > > >> figure out how to make something work with inadequate equipment, > > > > > > Example (and yes, these are true stories) - Your primary > > >server, the Dual > > >Celeron 500 MHz has begun to exhibit overheating problems. You find out > > >that this comes from a combination of being overclocked (d0h!) by the > > >previous administrator, and the fact that the fans on the > > heatsinks are not > > >turning to keep the extremely dinky heatsink cool. You clock the machine > > >down to where it's supposed to be, and go ask management for funding to > > >purchase proper heat reduction solution hardware. Management > > tells you to > > >go get bent, that they're having cashflow issues. My solution, > > bring in a > > >power drill, drill a number of holes in the bottom of the case, > > and park the > > >machine over an A/C vent, thus preventing it from overheating again. > > > > :-) That way instead of spending a miserable 5 cents an hour on > > the increased > > electric bill that new fans would consume, you get to spend 5 _dollars_ an > > hour running the A/C full blast!! > > Well, the problem is, they didn't wanna spend the less than $10 per > processor for the coolers that I wanted to slap on there. I mean, if a > company is having cashflow problems to the point where they can't afford to > write a check for $20, it's a good sign that it's time to leave, PERIOD. > > > I've seen some pretty funny cooling systems before. That story reminds me > > of the time I walked into a customer server room and saw one of those > > floor A/C units sitting in a corner. You know, the ones that > > have 2 big tubes > > one that blows cold air, and the other is supposed to be run > > somewhere else > > that it dumps the heat it's pulling out of the room that it's blowing cold > > air into. Only problem with this one is both tubes were > > blowing into the same room. I asked the network admin who said > > they had to > > get the cooler because their stuff was overheating. I then pointed out > > that the A/C unit was putting just as much heat back into the room as it > > was sucking out, and got a comment that was something along the lines of > > "are you stupid or what, can't you feel the cold air blowing out of it?" > > Ahh yes... the server admins with degrees in thermodynamics... *snickers* > > As far as my example goes, my "office" had two A/C ducts and a fan. For a > small 6x12 room loaded with hardware (6 servers, a Cisco 2600 series, pair > of network hubs, 3Com/USR Total Control rack and the boxes to feed it with), > it got majorly hot in there. Got even worse when I'd close the door (and > tie it shut with a network cable, since there was no knob on the door, much > less a lock) so I could get stuff done. > > --- Andy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:30:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mudd.csap.af.mil (mudd.csap.af.mil [192.203.1.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8F637B420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.20.202] (helo=mailcenter.csap.af.mil) by mudd.csap.af.mil with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 168PZx-0005pv-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:30:01 -0600 Received: from scout.csap.af.mil(really [192.168.70.97]) by mailcenter.csap.af.mil via sendmail with smtp id for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:44:53 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #6 built 1999-Jul-12) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:15:11 -0600 (CST) From: Carlos Garcia Reply-To: Carlos Garcia Subject: ftp://current.freebsd.org To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 2xFSGczqo4FBoz28wxOG3Q== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is current.freebsd.org ftp server down? I keep getting: $ ftp current.freebsd.org Connected to usw2.freebsd.org. 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp> bye $ ftp current.freebsd.org Connected to usw2.freebsd.org. 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp> ftp> bye $ date Mon Nov 26 11:10:43 CST 2001 $ -thanks -CRGarcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:34:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gltg.com (office.gltg.com [198.88.118.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0914C37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:34:40 -0800 (PST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Driver for Seagate Traven IDE Tape Drive in FREEBSD Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <488032BB60E2914F886E451728AB8A6D3ED48F@exchange.gltg.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Driver for Seagate Traven IDE Tape Drive in FREEBSD Thread-Index: AcF2oCS3wdqNeBQJTQaCtuQagWx2/g== From: "Bardaville, Phil" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: I'm a newbie to the FREEBSD device world and am having a problem installing a Traven IDE Tape drive in FREEBSD 4-3 STABLE. DMESG returns the following: ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad0: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 ata1-slave: tape device - NO DRIVER! 1). What do I need to do to get this thing working? Thanks in advance! Phil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:44:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fe070.worldonline.dk (fe070.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32E5A37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9331 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2001 17:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lapdancer.dk) (213.237.13.224) by fe070.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 17:44:42 -0000 Subject: Difference between Linux and Unix tar? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 26 Nov 2001 18:42:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1006796532.2917.1.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sometimes when I pack a tar from a Linux box and unpack it on a Unix (Compaq Tru64) box I get this eror: tar: ././@LongLink : Unknown filetype What is this? --=20 .............................. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards S=F8ren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:49:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0179337B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQHnhw63189; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:43 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: =?IBM437?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and Unix tar? Message-ID: <20011126174943.GA93514@dan.emsphone.com> References: <1006796532.2917.1.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1006796532.2917.1.camel@lapdancer.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Nov 26), Søren Neigaard said: > Sometimes when I pack a tar from a Linux box and unpack it on a Unix > (Compaq Tru64) box I get this eror: tar: ././@LongLink : Unknown > filetype > > What is this? The official tar format cannot store symlinks with very large paths; gnu tar uses a special format to store them correctly, but Tru64 tar doesn't know about it. You'll have to build gnu tar on the Tru64 box if you want to extract those tarfiles completely. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 9:51:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAEEF37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20432 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 17:51:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:51:36 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and Unix tar? Message-ID: <20011126125136.B20373@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Neigaard?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1006796532.2917.1.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1006796532.2917.1.camel@lapdancer.dk>; from neigaard@e-box.dk on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:42:11PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 06:42:11PM +0100, Søren Neigaard wrote: > Sometimes when I pack a tar from a Linux box and unpack it on a Unix > (Compaq Tru64) box I get this eror: tar: ././@LongLink : Unknown > filetype > > What is this? try unpacking with gnutar. I have a vague memory that this is caused by differences in the handling of long file names between gnu tar and posix tar (or something like that). --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10: 4: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A33237B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20551 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Nov 2001 18:04:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:04:23 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: Paul ' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www ftp mirrors? Message-ID: <20011126130423.A20450@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: Paul ' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from smak_420@hotmail.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:10:13AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:10:13AM -0500, Paul ' wrote: > i'm looking to obtain some bootable floppy images for 4.4 release and cant > seem to find a www mirror of any freebsd ftp site. > > I would get them via ftp but here at work our firewall turns around all > external ftp access. > > Does FreeBSD have an official www source for floppy images? what about a > full installation via www, is this possible? > > looks like most of the ftpx.freebsd.org sites also have http interfaces to them. try http://ftp3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10:11:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B9537B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from swam (freegw.xs4all.nl [213.84.87.28]) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id fAQIBKwB027517; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:11:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005401c176a5$ce1d6980$0a00a8c0@xs4all.nl> From: "Sven Vermeulen" To: "FreeBSD Questions" , "Christopher Smith" References: <000f01c17661$8693c120$0a00a8c0@area51> Subject: Re: PCI IDE controllers Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:11:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I use the Chaintech ATA100 Raid Controller with a High Point HPT370 chipset and works with FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE. I didn't try vinum to work with the controller... Sven. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Smith To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: PCI IDE controllers > I'm looking at adding 3 - 6 IDE drives in a RAID array (using vinum) to > an existing server. As such, I'm going to have to add extra disk > controllers to accommodate them. I was wondering if anyone had > recommendations for add-in PCI controllers in terms of driver > compatibility (FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE), reliability and speed. As this is > being done pretty much on the cheap and only to be shared amongst a > household of 3 - 4 people, "real" IDE RAID controllers like the 3Ware > cards are not an option - neitehr are the pseudo-RAID controllers. I'm > only after opinions on standard, ATA-66/100 PCI cards. > > Cheers, > CS > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10:21:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A9637B41E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38lc2nf.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.10.239] helo=gohan.cjclark.org) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168QN4-0002Py-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:20:48 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by gohan.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id fAQ97rl00488; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:07:53 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: John Smith Cc: Simon Dick , Jim Conner , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: can't do reverse dns with /etc/hosts Message-ID: <20011126010753.E222@gohan.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <20011115012039.GA61093@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123172728.02c61518@mail.enterit.com> <20011124103734.GB386@irrelevant.org> <3BFFF17E.D2E2F7C1@anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BFFF17E.D2E2F7C1@anarcat.dyndns.org>; from anarcat@anarcat.dyndns.org on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:14:06PM -0500 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:14:06PM -0500, John Smith wrote: > > > Simon Dick wrote: > > > > I guess my method of just using ping and seeing what IP it tries > > to ping won't be suitable for this? :) > > no because I want to test reverse DNS. That does not make any sense. You want to test reverse-DNS without using DNS? ITYM, "I want to test address-to-hostname translation using /etc/hosts." I couldn't sleep so I wrote a quick program. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="iplookup.c" /* * Copyright (c) 2001 Crist J. Clark * $Id: iplookup.c,v 1.2 2001/11/26 09:07:02 cjc Exp $ */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { struct hostent *h; struct in_addr a; int i, j; for (i = 1; i < argc; i++) { if (inet_aton(argv[i], &a) == 0) errx(EX_USAGE, "could not parse IP address: %s", argv[i]); if ((h = gethostbyaddr((char *)&a, sizeof a, AF_INET)) == NULL) errx(EX_OSERR, "address, %s, failed: %s", argv[i], hstrerror(h_errno)); printf("%s\n", h->h_name); for (j = 0; h->h_aliases[j] != NULL; j++) printf("\t%s\n", h->h_aliases[j]); } return 0; } --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10:28:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [167.112.160.7] (harpo.christianacare.org [167.112.160.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 530FB37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ES09807 by [167.112.160.7] via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 18:28:31 UT Received: from earthlink.net (WS20002 [167.112.81.19]) by es09807.ChristianaCare.ORG with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XPT11AMC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0289BD.73BD3554@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:13 -0500 From: Brian Rudy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dial up Internet Connection Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msB9664F8AA2807CF8D02C9774" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msB9664F8AA2807CF8D02C9774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all; I am running FreeBSD V. 4.3 and have a modem attached to one of the serial ports on the box. I use KDE as my windows manager and can dial (successfully) my ISP while I'm in KDE (using KDE's Internet Dialer) and can do everything on the internet that I want to do. What I would like to do is be able to dial the internet without starting KDE. Can someone walk me through what I need to do to make this happen? Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance Brian. -- #################################################################### Click on the link below, for your own FREE personal e-mail certificate and it's benefits. If you have any questions about digital signatures, ask me. http://www.thawte.com/getinfo/products/personal/contents.html Many people think self-esteem can be bestowed on us by others. 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I use KDE as my windows manager and can dial > (successfully) my ISP while I'm in KDE (using KDE's Internet Dialer) and > can do everything on the internet that I want to do. > > What I would like to do is be able to dial the internet without > starting KDE. Can someone walk me through what I need to do to make > this happen? > > Any and all help is greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance > Brian. > follow the instructions on: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ppp.html --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10:46:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D837B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1525C3D43 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:46:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:46:29 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Re: Packaging with ports (was: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4) In-Reply-To: <15362.24392.352816.293375@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > I'm still surprised that I'm allowed to install kdelibs-2.2_3 > > over kdelibs-2.1.1. That IMHO shouldn't be allowed. > > I've already addressed why it's allowed, and should continue to be > allowed. If there are no conflicts it makes sense (using a different PREFIX for example). If there are conflicts it doesn't make sense. What I was getting at here is that it's easy to shoot yourself in the toe and _sometimes_ it's IMO too easy. In the end I don't think we are arguing about content, more about end-user (system administrator in this case) presentation of the packaging system. > > Those files with different paths aren't affected. > > Those files with the same names which differ will effectively wipe out the > > older version. this conflict effectively makes the stored package > > information wrong and misleading. > > Yup. That's just one reason for deleting the old version of a package > before installing a new one. perhaps portupgrade should be a basic part of the port system. that way it would be more consistent if I could do a "make upgrade" [snip] > You aren't supposed to install two packages that use the same > file. That usually indicates an error on the users part. > > A check could probably be added to pkg_add for that. Doing it for > ports is more interesting. But these days an installed port is registered as if it were a package. So is there any difference from a users point of view between the two? > > > If that's the case, you're getting into trouble with ports for the > > > same reason I hate rpm - you're not really using the tools properly. > > I'm not sure what you hate about rpm. Perhaps you could enlighten me? > > Basically, it just didn't work worth diddly. There's no option - at > least on the version I have - to make it automatically install rpm's > that are required but aren't on the system. Yes, I agree this is one of the things about ports that I really like. While /usr/ports when "clean" is not tiny it is very useful, and not having to search here or there for required packages is definitely a god-send. I heartedly agree. Obviously all the information about all ports is also at hand which for contributed rpms isn't the case either. > I'd also rather install from sources, so I can tweak things - in > particular, setting the prefix. Some rpms are now relocatable, so in that sense you can do what you want. Installing and building from source is obviously more in the FreeBSD way, and while it can be done from the .src.rpms you still have to find the appropriate src.rpm and that goes back to your previous point of finding the rpm. > > I think that perhaps "make install" in ports is rather dangerous. > > there appears to be no checks that the installed software will > > overwrite existing packages or software. Perhaps this could be > > improved, or am I missing some command to avoid this problem? > > Nope, you're not missing a command. The problem is that "make install" > normally just hands things off to the installation procedure for the > program that was ported. It might be possible to add a > "checkoverwrites" target that uses the plist, but I'm not sure. Some > ports build the plist on the fly. This obviously complicates the installation process, one of the current pains with rpm. However with rpm (and the ports could do the same thing) you install into an install root to generate the binaries. With the ports you'd need to do this before recopying the files to their final locations. I can see people seeing this "double copy" process as being unnecessary, but it does allow you to generate your plist dynamically. An alternative would simply to see if you would install over a file _while installing_ and be able to stop/warn the user if that happens. In rpm this is automatic. This isn't contemplated for the reasons you state with the ports. [snip] > Since it's not in -current, that's not the right list to listen > to. You want the libh list. You might also want to check out the > OpenPorts (I think that's the name) project, which is a port/package > system which isn't tied to a specific OS distribution. Ok. Thanks for the pointers. rpm isn't tied to a specific distribution either, but it's fair to say that some of the critisms you mention are points where it is weak. I'll have to see how openports works. Thanks for your time. I'm surprised not to see many comments about this topic on -questions or perhaps most people here manage to keep their system a little more "stable" than mine. Regards, Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 10:51:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from inswsod02.gs.com (inswsod02.gs.com [207.17.37.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244B237B41A; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from insdbod02.inz.gs.com (unknown [207.17.36.75]) by inswsod02.gs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FB21BE9F; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gsln02e.ln.fw.gs.com by insdbod02.inz.gs.com with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:51:02 -0500 Received: by gsln02e.ln.fw.gs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:51:01 -0000 Message-Id: From: "Dracopoulos, Dimitris" To: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org'" Cc: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Cannot boot from floppy and cannot read/write it any more - But it works in Linux somehow Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:51:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The floppy in my system stopped working a few weeks ago (I did not notice this immediately as I was not using it often). Here are the very strange symptoms I am experiencing: 1) The system will not boot from a boot floppy (I have tried a few different boot floppies including Linux/Win98 ones which they all work in other machines). My BIOS (AMIBIOS) complains that it cannot find a boot record in the floppy). The boot sequence set in my BIOS is floppy->cdrom->hard disk. When I disable booting from hard disk and cdrom then it keeps prompting me for inserting another floppy with a boot record. Booting from my CDROM or hard disk works fine! In any case, I have not change any settings in BIOS since it was last working.. 2) I am not able to read or write a floppy while in FreeBSD (version 4.3). Using mtools the lights comes on but I keep waiting. Mounting /dev/fd0 has a similar problem and keep reporting errors periodically. Under no circumstances I am able to read or write a floppy (I tried the GENERIC kernel as well). HOWEVER, and while in Linux (Debian potato) read and write in a floppy works absolutely fine! My system is able to boot Windows98 as well (for my job purposes only!) and there I cannot write any floppy as well (but I am only able to list the files in a floppy something which I cannot do in FreeBSD). 3) I have tried a brand new drive and a different IDE cable as well and the symptoms are identical. The floppy was working a few weeks ago. 4) I 've tried all the above with a very bare system (just the hard disk/memory/graphics card) and still I have the same problems. I started thinking that it might have to do something with a BIOS virus but then why under Linux it works fine? (and why I am able to boot from a CDROM and the hard disk). Has anyone any ideas on this? Any help will be appreciated. My system specs are: Motherboard: Tyan 1832 (Tiger 100) with AMIBIOS 1.16a Dual Intel Pentium 3 (500Mhz) (rest of specs not so relevant as I mentioned above that I tried the floppy with the very bare system as well). Cheers Dimitris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11: 5: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.25.224.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AF1337B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2373 invoked by uid 1007); 26 Nov 2001 19:09:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:09:33 +0100 From: Maciek To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vi + color + prompt Message-ID: <20011126200933.A2356@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have tcsh and I will heave color prompt -> %n@%m:%~%#" can "%n" be white and "%m" can be red? It makes in vi but i don't know how? Can You help me? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11: 7:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4C337B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DD03D43 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:07:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:07:35 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mwm@mired.org (Mike Meyer) writes: > Simon J Mudd types: > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > I bet gv is actually fine, but the problem is actually with the > > > ghostscript port which is used to do the actual PS rendering. > > > ghostscript uses png. > > I think my point is this: > > - why isn't this enforced by the ports collection? > > It mostly is. Somewhere along the way you deleted the old libpng. If > you used the package routines, you had to tell it "-f" to make it do > so. If you used ports, it warned you about the dependencies when you > did the "make deinstall" so you could deal with them as required. I don't (normally) use packages, using ports directly. AFAIKT ports and packages are "identical", except that with ports you build the package before installing it. The packages are pre-built "ports". Is this understanding wrong? > > - why is it currenlty allowed > > Because sometimes it does no harm, so there's no point in forcing > people to rebuild ports that don't need it. If it's not required it shouldn't be a problem. If it _is_ required then maybe several other ports _should_ be rebuilt. > This is the general Unix philosophy: give the user all the rope they > need to do the job. That's far more than enough for them to hang > themselves. Some systems consider that a problem, but Unix isn't one > of them. I am aware of that. I've not been using UNIX for _that_ long and am sure you have more experience than me in this, but I personally like a package manager which doesn't easily let me mess up my installed ports/packages. My _feeling_ is that currently FreeBSD ports can let you do this. The fault may be mine, it may be the documentation, and that's really why I haved asked on -questions to try and determine what's going wrong. > > - why do the ports collection allow you to have two "conflicting" ports > > installed at the same time > > Because there are times when you want to do that. It can even be done > safely if you install to different locations. See the paragraph on the > Unix philosophy above. Understood. If the locations _are_ different then yes allow multiple installs. I agree. However, allowing you to install multiple ports with conflicting locations should at least provoke a warning, which can be overridden if the user knows what he is doing. > > - this really causes the problem I've encountered. > > Having two copies installed wasn't the root of the problem. Removing > one and ignoring the warnings about dependencies was the > problem. Before claiming that it shouldn't allow that, see the > paragraph otUP. The problem perhaps is that once you've isntalled two conflicting copies of a port it is impossible to uninstall one without affecting the other one. You also don't know which port is _really_ installed completely (if at all). So you can't go back from this situation, and it's easy to get into it. This may be a matter of putting newbie-wrappers around the existing tools, or having the man pages warn in the appropriate places. Current port documentation doesn't really cater for this. > > - ideally you shouldn't be allowed to uninstall/upgrade a port > > on which other ports depend, unless as you say you upgrade the > > dependent ports too. I think this information should be available > > at make install or make deinstall time. > > No, no, a thousand times no. A port upgrade may be a port revision, > meaning the application source code hasn't changed, but the port > author tweaked something for some reason - for instance, making the > port PREFIX-clean. Fine. > There's no reason to upgrade everything it depends > on in that case. You'd only need to do that if you change the dependencies of the port you are upgrading: If you want to upgrade portA-1.2.3 -> portA-1.2.4 and both depend on portB, (no version specific information here), then there's no problem. This would be the normal situation. If you want to upgrade portA-1.2.3 -> portA-2.0.1 and the dependency for portA-2.0.1 is for a package portB-X and the installed version of portB is less than X, then this doesn requires portB to be upgraded. Obviously this is the situation where "all hell may break loose" because this may require further package upgrades. Ideally the packaging system would tell you two things: (A) you can't do this if other ports depend on the installed version of portB (B) if you do this you'll need to upgrade other ports which depend on portB to ensure that the system stays "stable". rpm does (A) which is obviously easier, and I'm not aware of a packaging system which does (B). > > Using pkg_tree, I've found that my current system is "a real mess". I've > > not been using FreeBSD that long, since 3.4-RELEASE, and even in that time > > I've seen several problems of this type. > > I've been admin'ing FreeBSD since 3.0-RELEASE (since the day of the > release, as a matter of fact), and was using it before that. I've seen > this problem exactly once - but I also have a good idea of when it's > safe to ignore dependency warnings. If you think you shouldn't be > allowed to ignore such dependencies, StpotUP. I don't think the dependency warnings are the problem. You are right they are there. However a (ignorant?) sys admin who installs a newer version of a port/package without uninstalling the older one first can have problems. I guess this can also happen if the package depencies change and a newer version of a package is required: the ports will install the package over the top of the currently installed version (without warning). Thus deleting packages doesn't seem to be the problem it's more installing is "too easy". > > I'm not sure whether I should take this to mean that I shouldn't follow > > -STABLE, or quite what, but it does concern me that other packages I > > have installed may be in the same situation. If they are libraries and > > only minor version is different then the may be no problem. > > FreeBSD library versioning is specified that minor version numbers > increasing indicate backwards compatability; major version numbers > changing indicate that applications can't depend on the old behavior. I think this is true of other versions of unix too. I am aware however of the effort made to ensure that upgrade compatibility means that normally you shouldn't have trouble cvsuping to the next -release, and that's very good. I hope you don't think I've been picking on you. I appreciate your time, even if I've laboured the points with you somewhat. I don't know anyone personally who is sufficiently knowledgable about FreeBSD to "teach me way". Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:13:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1-2.free.fr (postfix1-2.free.fr [213.228.0.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190B037B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (nas-cbv-1-107-117.dial.proxad.net [62.147.107.117]) by postfix1-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B62EAB1FE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:12:23 +0100 (CET) From: "Philippe Gras" <_pgras@free.fr> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:15:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D837B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smui01.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.21]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168RDw-0001Gz-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:15:24 -0500 Received: by smui01.slb.mindspring.net id OAA0000016910; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:14:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:14:29 -0500 From: To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Can't send questions to list from work ?? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 63.228.157.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I signed up for this list by sending at e-mail to majordomo at work with my work e-mail. I am recieving e-mails from this list to my work address but when I try to send an e-mail to the list from work, I recieve the e-mail back after about a day saying it can't be delivered? Any Ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:17:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from webs1.accretive-networks.net (webs1.accretive-networks.net [207.246.154.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2057D37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (davidk@localhost) by webs1.accretive-networks.net (8.11.1/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQJHNI31989; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: David Kirchner X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: Can't send questions to list from work ?? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:17:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DD737B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nt01 (213-84-170-22.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.170.22]) by smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id fAQJHa87040832 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:17:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00f601c176ae$ef36d620$9600000a@nt01> From: "Bob Verbrugge" To: References: Subject: freebsd install Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:17:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Trying to install freebsd from a DOS partition (first time). When the installer tries to mount the DOS partition, i get the following error: error mounting /dev/ad0s2 on /dist invalid argument (22) I try to install freebsd on a second harddisk, the dos partition is the third partition on the first hard disk (where NT is installed). The dos partition is a 2G FAT32 partition. Any idea what goes wrong? Thanks, Bob. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:42:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net [209.85.227.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9D37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (big@localhost.KuwaitNet.Net [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (8.12.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAQJgMX1058216; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (big@localhost) by FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id fAQJgMfZ058213; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net: big owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:42:22 +0300 (AST) From: Bashar To: Maciek Cc: Subject: Re: vi + color + prompt In-Reply-To: <20011126200933.A2356@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl> Message-ID: <20011126224125.L56862-100000@FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i (insert) control V Esc [nm where n is a number it will be like ^[[31m for yellow KuwaitNet Communications Inc. 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Support" "Think KuwaitNet" On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Maciek wrote: > Hi, > I have tcsh and I will heave color prompt -> %n@%m:%~%#" > can "%n" be white and "%m" can be red? > It makes in vi but i don't know how? > > Can You help me? > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:42:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD2137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.0) id fAQJgYS08163 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <200111261942.fAQJgYS08163@tao.thought.org> Subject: the latest GUILG00.GZ To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Mailing List) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) Organization: <> thought.org: pvblic service Unix since 1986... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got an older version of xwp on another server that I could certainly drop into place. ...But until the open source Sun 6.0 office suite is stable, can anyone point me to the newer GUILG00? thanks, people, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 11:56:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5989E37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smui00.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.20]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168RrG-00043I-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:56:02 -0500 Received: by smui00.slb.mindspring.net id OAA0000001599; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:56:01 -0500 From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: re: Scripting Problems Please Help Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 63.228.157.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Let's get the problem statement straight. You have a tree of files, >some of which are mp3's, possibly called Mp3 or MP3 or mP3. >Do you want a playlist created in each directory containing 1) the> >mp3s in that directory, 2) the mp3s in that directory and all >subdirectories of it, or 3) something I've overlooked? >In each playlist, do you want the path to the file from a) the >directory the playlist is in, b) the top of the tree you're runnings >this from, c) absolute or d) something I've overlooked. Sorry if this is a Duplicate e-mail, some of my e-mails don't seem to make it to the list for some reason. Thanks for all your help. Ok, sorry if I am not explaining this well. Will try to give better examples. This is what I am looking for the script to accomplish. 1. Place a songs.m3u file in each directory below the /mp3 root. 2. the songs.m3u file will contain all mp3 files found in that direcotry and any subdirectories off of the current directory it is in currently. 3. the entire path to the file needs to be preserved for each mp3 (/mp3/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/Mexican Radio.mp3) inside the songs.m3u file So, in the base directory, there should be a master songs.m3u that will contain every mp3 with full path to it. - In the /mp3/A directory, there will be a songs.mp3 with all the mp3s in and under the /mp3/A directory, and full paths from root to them under it. /mp3/A/A-Ha/Crying in the rain.mp3 /mp3/A/Alphaville/Big in Japan.mp3 /mp3/A/Alphaville/Singles/Forever Young.mp3 /mp3/A/Anthrax/rock song.mp3 - In the /mp3/A/Aphaville directory, there will be a songs.m3u with all mp3s under it and full patsh from root to them. /mp3/A/Alphaville/Big in Japan.mp3 /mp3/A/Alphaville/Singles/Forever Young.mp3 - Then a /mp3/A/Alphaville/Singles/songs.m3u with just the files in it's directory, since there are no subdirectories under it, with full paths to the mp3s. /mp3/A/Alphaville/Singles/Forever Young.mp3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; ls | grep -i '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 1b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 1c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; find . -iname '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 2b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done ls is the wrong tool for listing filenames with the path. So the only case it works for is when all you want is files in the current directory with the path relative to that directory (i.e. - none). Find always lists files with full path information. So we create playlist by the path information off - being careful to preserve multiple spaces in the names. To get names relative to the current directory, you cd into that directory and run find (or ls for 1a) just putting the output in the playlist. Whether you start the outer find with "." or "/mp3dir" is irrelevant, because the inner find is going to start at "." after the cd. To get paths relative to the top directory, you run the outer find on ., the inner find on the directory name, and redirect the output appropriately. To get full paths, do the same except that you start the outer find with the full path. If you want to keep find from descending into subdirectories, use "-maxdepth 1". If you need option 3 or d, it's going to wait until after I get some sleep. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12: 2:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web14804.mail.yahoo.com (web14804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F192937B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:02:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011126200249.89001.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.88.118.10] by web14804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:02:49 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: krzysztof Subject: Seagate Traven IDE tape drive driver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: I'm a newbie to the FREEBSD device world and am having a problem installing a Traven IDE Tape drive in FREEBSD 4-3 STABLE. DMESG returns the following: ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad0: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 ata1-slave: tape device - NO DRIVER! My kernel has the following entries: # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices 1). What do I need to do to get this thing working? Thanks in advance! Phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12: 7:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net (eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net [212.68.64.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8489937B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (sven@localhost) by eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAQK7XT1471083 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:07:34 GMT (envelope-from sven@crashme.org) X-Authentication-Warning: eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net: sven owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:07:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Sven Brandenburg X-Sender: sven@eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2 ip adresses on 1 interface Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hullo :-) I may be plain stupid but iirc this used to work : --- bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 212.68.64.165 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 inet6 fe80::250:4ff:fe66:fbf0%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:50:04:66:fb:f0 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 212.68.64.136 alias bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 212.68.64.165 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 inet6 fe80::250:4ff:fe66:fbf0%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 212.68.64.136 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 ether 00:50:04:66:fb:f0 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active bash-2.04# ping 212.68.64.136 PING 212.68.64.136 (212.68.64.136): 56 data bytes ^C --- 212.68.64.136 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss bash-2.04# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire [..snip..] 212.68.64 link#1 UC 12 0 xl0 212.68.64.136 link#1 UHLW 0 2 xl0 --- i dont know what im missing here - please help me out, looks like i am blinded somehow, the idea is just to add another ip address to the interface xl0 in the same /24 v4 subnet - nothing fancy at all. regards :-) Sven Brandenburg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:24:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1414B37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO mlevy) (12.27.148.78) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 20:24:22 -0000 Message-ID: <03b901c176b8$c0102c70$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Bara Zani" To: "Jeff Craton" <_jeff@onlinecommercecorp.com> Cc: References: <200111261521.KAA22514@ns2.therackroom.net> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:27:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dear jeff youre systems is infected with the W32.Badtrans.B@mm worm !!!! please make sure you clean it up . refrence about that worm can be found in the bottom ... to list members using MS clients , don't open any attachments for mr craton ! We saw this rising on Friday and today found out that MessageLabs is seeing 400 copies/hour over the weekend (which is extremely high volume of infected messages given it was the weekend); http://www.messagelabs.com/viruseye/report.asp?id=86 We've talked about the potential of this delivery mechanism on NTBugtraq several times, but tomorrow those of you who manage email servers are likely going to find numerous copies in your mail stores (or user's inboxes). This thing exploits a vulnerability in some versions of Internet Explorer (see below) that was first fixed back on March of this year. The way these versions of IE handled certain MIME types allowed files to be delivered that would automatically execute when the email was opened (when using Outlook) or rendered in the Preview Pane (when using Outlook Express). It was subsequently used by Nimda in two of its propagation mechanisms (it used .eml and .nws files via HTML to delivery the MIME header, and also mass mailed messages formed specifically to exploit this vulnerability). TruSecure's analysis of this over the weekend leads us to believe that a great many people must not have applied the patch, or other packages that deliver the patch. This should be considered carefully by anyone who thinks there's a reasonable amount of time within which people apply such patches, we're talking more than 6 months and 4 packages that contained the fix for each affected version, yet we still seem to be seeing this thing get considerable legs. Although this is a BadTrans variant, it has been repackaged (compressed) and as such probably requires an AV update to be detected. Most AV Vendors should have updates available by the time you read this, check with them. Ultimately the message comes with a MIME Content Type of "audio/x-wav", and a double extension (.doc.scr) ending in .scr or .pif. The attachment itself is a Win32 executable. If executed it will mass-mail itself, probably as replies to unread messages in your inbox. NTBugtraq posters may have already received some in response to their list messages (I have). See your AV Vendor for more details. That done, take a minute to review the possible IE patch mechanisms described below. We predicted, when this vulnerability was first discovered, that this was going to be heavily exploited. Nimda's email component didn't seem to work very well, still unclear precisely why, but its web browser propagation certainly seemed effective. Now this BadTrans variant, and we will likely see more. If you cannot get your browsers to one of the unaffected versions for some reason other than time/manpower, drop me a note and let me know why. I'd like to understand what's preventing this vulnerability from going away. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:28:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1041B37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO mlevy) (12.27.148.78) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 20:28:23 -0000 Message-ID: <03de01c176b9$4fb565c0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Bara Zani" To: "Philippe Gras" <_pgras@free.fr>, References: <20011126191223.6B62EAB1FE@postfix1-2.free.fr> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:31:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C1768F.6641E540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C1768F.6641E540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable same virus warning goes for mister gras !!! ------=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C1768F.6641E540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
same virus warning goes for mister gras=20 !!!
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:32:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EF537B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27037 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:31:18 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fAQKWif07732; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:32:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:32:44 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Message-ID: <20011126203243.GG31370@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126191223.6B62EAB1FE@postfix1-2.free.fr> <03de01c176b9$4fb565c0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <03de01c176b9$4fb565c0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/26/01 03:31 PM, Bara Zani sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > same virus warning goes for mister gras !!! >=20 And you, apparently :) Sorry. Probably shoulda stuck with a BSD client? L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC When speculation has done its worst, two plus two still equals four. -- S. Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:33:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FCD37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27105 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:32:18 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fAQKXhR07851; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:33:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:33:43 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Message-ID: <20011126203343.GH31370@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126191223.6B62EAB1FE@postfix1-2.free.fr> <03de01c176b9$4fb565c0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <03de01c176b9$4fb565c0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11/26/01 03:31 PM, Bara Zani sat at the `puter and typed: > > same virus warning goes for mister gras !!! > Sorry, didn't even check the size of that file. Just made a stupid assumption and skipped the 'think before you send' step. My bad L -- Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org Ô¿Ô¬ A princess should not be afraid -- not with a brave knight to protect her. -- McCoy, "Shore Leave", stardate 3025.3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:34:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net (eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net [212.68.64.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D06237B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (sven@localhost) by eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAQKXwE1471314; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:33:59 GMT (envelope-from sven@crashme.org) X-Authentication-Warning: eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net: sven owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:33:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Sven Brandenburg X-Sender: sven@eltanin.draconis.mw.lg.supercluster.net To: Alan Edmonds Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 2 ip adresses on 1 interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Alan Edmonds wrote: > I think you need to set the netmask to 255.255.255.255 for the second > IP address. Dang! Thats it! thanx for ya help :-) Sven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 12:57:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BBA37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56BAE66B27; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:57:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:57:39 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Simon J Mudd Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Message-ID: <20011126125739.A17576@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011125171037.A97187@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sjmudd@pobox.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 08:50:35AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 08:50:35AM +0100, Simon J Mudd wrote: > > The easiest way to do this is probably portupgrade -r >=20 > I think my point is this: > - why isn't this enforced by the ports collection? Not possible. > - why is it currenlty allowed Why is it allowed to do rm -rf /? > - why do the ports collection allow you to have two "conflicting" ports= =20 > installed at the same time > - this really causes the problem I've encountered. > - ideally you shouldn't be allowed to uninstall/upgrade a port > on which other ports depend, unless as you say you upgrade the > dependent ports too. I think this information should be available > at make install or make deinstall time. Yeah, there are lots of things that are true in an ideal world..yes, this is arguably a deficiency in the ports collection and it will be fixed someday. In the meantime just work with the proper tools - it only takes minimum effort to update ports if you go about it the right way. > Using pkg_tree, I've found that my current system is "a real mess". I've= =20 > not been using FreeBSD that long, since 3.4-RELEASE, and even in that tim= e=20 > I've seen several problems of this type. >=20 > In fact while I have 207 packages installed in my system I currently have= =20 > 240 unsatisfied dependencies (as witnessed by > 'pkg_tree | grep unknown | wc -l'). >=20 > I'm not sure whether I should take this to mean that I shouldn't follow= =20 > -STABLE, or quite what, but it does concern me that other packages I=20 > have installed may be in the same situation. If they are libraries and= =20 > only minor version is different then the may be no problem. >=20 > This is one aspect where I think rpm is much better. Okay, don't get me started on all the ways rpm is much worse :) Kris --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AqhlWry0BWjoQKURAvf1AJ9n92ogBpcFcmhFEvKp8Y6PPtxLTQCgq5Yl qp+2DoPGtZ8ZjphOzTYkFfw= =BC9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13: 2:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6760537B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C93666BE2; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:02:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:02:17 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: What is the best secure_level setting? Message-ID: <20011126130217.B17576@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <00c201c17681$91287110$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00c201c17681$91287110$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:52:19PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:52:19PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I am looking at secure_level in FreeBSD and wondering what setting is > appropriate. The default seems to be the lowest possible setting of -1, but I > don't see any obvious reason why I can't run at +1. What levels do you all run > your systems at normally? -1. It all depends on your security model and how much inconvenience you're willing to take. My personal belief is that securelevel isn't a truly useful security feature for most people since it's too difficult and painful to make it actually achieve the objectives they probably wanted from it (see the -security archives for discussion). Kris --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Aq3ZWry0BWjoQKURAmkPAKCBvoiMHxCWUXF4hi161kpKJf+NBgCdFFgN f1klw2dxZj7DRtVp33/TWx4= =yND3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13: 3:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D372137B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D0FE66B27; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:03:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:03:25 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Daniel Frazier Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: out of memory error... Message-ID: <20011126130325.C17576@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3C0256B4.5020506@magpage.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kfjH4zxOES6UT95V" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C0256B4.5020506@magpage.com>; from dfrazier@magpage.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:50:28AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:50:28AM -0500, Daniel Frazier wrote: > hello all, >=20 > The standard class for users on our shell server is defined like this in > /etc/login.conf... >=20 > standard:\ > :copyright=3D/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ > :welcome=3D/etc/motd:\ > :setenv=3DMAIL=3D/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=3DK:\ > :path=3D~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ > :manpath=3D/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ > :cputime=3D1h30m:\ > :datasize=3D24M:\ > :stacksize=3D2M:\ > :memorylocked=3D4M:\ > :memoryuse=3D10M:\ > :filesize=3D16M:\ > :coredumpsize=3D8M:\ > :openfiles=3D24:\ > :maxproc=3D32:\ > :priority=3D0:\ > :requirehome:\ > :umask=3D022:\ > :ignoretime@:\ > :tc=3Ddefault: >=20 > One of the users on this box has recently been complaining about > recieving an error when trying to use cpan. This is what he provided > us to show the error... Erm, you have low memory resource sizes, and then some user gets an out of memory error running some application..you do the math :) Kris --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Aq4dWry0BWjoQKURAtiqAKCjl2/98PZFll2dgg8Hz1Ob8lDWMQCgktAY X57iIcoVsbVkJbX5qhXOA20= =6/OE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13: 5:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747F837B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 24D4666B27; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:15 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size Message-ID: <20011126130515.D17576@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <00e201c1769b$a36bbd40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00e201c1769b$a36bbd40$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:58:53PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:58:53PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Since memory isn't very expensive these days, I'm thinking of adding more RAM to > my FreeBSD machine; it has 256 MB, but I was thinking of going to 1 GB, which is > the capacity of this machine. Currently, I have a 800 MB swap partition (or is > it a slice?--I know it's not a filesystem) defined. Is this enough for 1 GB of > RAM? Is there any kind of strong correlation between RAM size and swap file > size that I have to be concerned about? Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when > RAM is exhausted, or does it have to use the swap file all the time (as in a > one-to-one VM mapping scheme)? If the swap file is of less than optimal size, > what happens? The main factor when using machines with a lot of RAM is that you need to have a swap partition at least as large as your RAM size in order to obtain kernel panic dumps when things do wrong. If you can't obtain a panic dump, it's probably going to be impossible for a developer to track down any weird kernel problems you run into at some point down the line. Kris --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Aq6KWry0BWjoQKURAoQqAJ4oHRQ4qI9bBoYS/0ZbYaW6vKO0dgCgyRWD u5xHEHH9HDtQ100OF4g27uc= =CB5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jCrbxBqMcLqd4mOl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13: 5:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EEA37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BB5C666C29; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:05:48 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Carlos Garcia Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp://current.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20011126130548.E17576@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cgarcia@mailcenter.csap.af.mil on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:15:11AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:15:11AM -0600, Carlos Garcia wrote: > Is current.freebsd.org ftp server down? > I keep getting: If you're running -current you should be subscribed to that list, where this has already been discussed. Kris --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Aq6sWry0BWjoQKURAsRPAJ9PQID/R038sRHvCmPCd7hH5nvRsgCfSpaP VpyvmvMsLKu6usq/3wwVn8M= =0+3U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ytoMbUMiTKPMT3hY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13:27:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (fmfdns02.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF5E37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmsmsxvs042.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxv042-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.48.110]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.46 2001/10/25 21:02:55 root Exp $) with SMTP id VAA08743 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:27:44 GMT Received: from fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com ([132.233.42.26]) by fmsmsxvs042.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.6) with SMTP id M2001112613284106004 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:28:41 -0800 Received: by fmsmsx26.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Frost, Stephen C" To: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "Frost, Stephen C" Subject: Solution for "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: swap_zone == NULL"? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:27:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings FreeBSD gurus - I am brand new to the OS. I test NIC drivers for Intel products and we are turning towards an emphasized support for FreeBSD. One of my test boxes produces the following error on bootup: "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: swap_zone == NULL" A quick Google search suggests that this is an issue of the kernel failing to deal with an abundance of RAM. The test box in question has 8GB of RAM. Pulling RAM out as a 'workaround' is not an option, as I am to test on these specifically configured OEM machines. This one is a Dell 6400 quad Zeon 550. Suggestions? Patches? Anything? Please reply via direct email. Much gratitude - -=C. Stephen Frost=- Intel Corp. ICG - Network Quality Labs Software QA Engineer 503.264.8300 (standard disclaimers apply within... ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13:40:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9218E37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:40:27 -0800 Received: from 65.64.1.181 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:40:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.64.1.181] From: "Todd Reed" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Setting up Network Printer Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:40:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2001 21:40:27.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6BF4DF0:01C176C2] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to setup a printer on my FreeBSD server. The printer is a network printer that runs on TCP/IP. Does anyone know of any tutorials or can give me a heads up on this process? I'm having trouble! --Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13:42:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pianosa.catch22.org (pianosa.catch22.org [64.81.48.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F98437B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by pianosa.catch22.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D298717A; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:42:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:42:10 -0800 From: "Rev. Joe Doyle" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: cdda2wav segfaulting Message-ID: <20011126134210.D12873@nebcorp.com> Reply-To: "Rev . Joe Doyle" Mail-Followup-To: "Rev. Joe Doyle" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I just updated to FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE, and since then, cdda2wav has been segfaulting: please:OBJ/i386-freebsd-cc> ./cdda2wav -O wav -D /dev/acd0a foo.wav cdrom device (/dev/acd0a) is not of type generic SCSI. Setting interface to cooked_ioctl. 266240 bytes buffer memory requested, 4 buffers, 27 sectors #Cdda2wav version 1.10_freebsd_4.4-stable_i386_i386 real time sched. soundcard support AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 1-11 no no audio 2 Table of Contents: total tracks:11, (total time 857793:44.30) 1.(633077:45.45), 2.(295698:29.25), 3.(355976:59.23), 4.(531846:32.40), 5.(828826:30.46) 6.(731804:06.14), 7.(724493:15.23), 8.(180879:21.45), 9.(583168:30.54), 10.(426712:10.50), 11.(337495:53.45), lead-out(3860071680) CDINDEX discid: PJB4VosOwU_qo_BDdwqhQqs1vNE- CDDB discid: 0x7355660b CD-Text: not detected CD-Extra: not detected W Sector offset 0 exceeds track size (ignored) End track is no valid audio track (ignored) samplefile size will be 346030124 bytes. recording -19281565.-3648 seconds stereo with 16 bits @ 44100.0 Hz ->'foo'... overlap:min/max/cur, jitter, percent_done: ??/??/??/??????? 0%Sorry, this driver and/or drive does not support cdda reading. cooked: Read cdda : Invalid argument sector 0 + 2848849920, buffer 28136000 + 41000 request defined buff:: Bad file descriptor parent writer sem request failed zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) ./cdda2wav -O wav -D /dev/acd0a foo.wav It's reading the CD and getting track data and doing the checksum for cddb lookups, but chokes on the reading of the data. I've tried rebuilding cdda2wav (from the cdrtools port), to no avail. Here is the output of uname -a: FreeBSD please.tellme.com 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Fri Nov 16 19:53:32 PST 2001 root@please.tellme.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PLEASE i386 I'm also including my kernel conf, though that has not changed since cdda2wav stopped working. Any tips would be appreciated. -Joe --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PLEASE.conf" # # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on # Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.21 2001/01/12 23:45:14 scottl Exp $ machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident PLEASE maxusers 32 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options USER_LDT options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev device isa device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs. device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # sound device pcm --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 13:49:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail48.fg.online.no (mail48-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C49D37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 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"'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Solution for "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: swap_zone == NULL"? Message-ID: <20011126170307.A43499@blackhelicopters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from stephen.c.frost@intel.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:27:41PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm glad to hear that Intel is looking to augment their FreeBSD support. Your best bet for finding specific problems like this is to search the mailing list archives at www.freebsd.org/search/ . I'd check the archives for -questions first, and if that doesn't give you any good results try the -hackers archive. Let us know if that doesn't help! ==ml On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:27:41PM -0800, Frost, Stephen C wrote: > > Greetings FreeBSD gurus - > > I am brand new to the OS. I test NIC drivers for Intel products and we are > turning towards an emphasized support for FreeBSD. One of my test boxes > produces the following error on bootup: "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: > swap_zone == NULL" > > A quick Google search suggests that this is an issue of the kernel failing > to deal with an abundance of RAM. The test box in question has 8GB of RAM. > Pulling RAM out as a 'workaround' is not an option, as I am to test on these > specifically configured OEM machines. This one is a Dell 6400 quad Zeon > 550. > > Suggestions? Patches? Anything? > > Please reply via direct email. > > Much gratitude - > > -=C. Stephen Frost=- > Intel Corp. > ICG - Network Quality Labs > Software QA Engineer > 503.264.8300 > (standard disclaimers apply within... ) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 14: 5:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCEE37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.177.56]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011126220517.WFQI11528.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:05:17 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7371A29; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 40E2F20ACB; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:06:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:06:41 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Simon Dick , Jim Conner , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: can't do reverse dns with /etc/hosts Message-ID: <20011126220641.GA1160@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: The Anarcat , cjclark@alum.mit.edu, Simon Dick , Jim Conner , FreeBSD Questions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <20011115012039.GA61093@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123172728.02c61518@mail.enterit.com> <20011124103734.GB386@irrelevant.org> <3BFFF17E.D2E2F7C1@anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011126010753.E222@gohan.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126010753.E222@gohan.cjclark.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Lun nov 26, 2001 at 01:07:53 -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:14:06PM -0500, John Smith wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > Simon Dick wrote: > > >=20 > > > I guess my method of just using ping and seeing what IP it= tries > > > to ping won't be suitable for this? :) > >=20 > > no because I want to test reverse DNS. >=20 > That does not make any sense. You want to test reverse-DNS without > using DNS?=20 yes. Well, actually, I want to test the resolver's reverse functionality without *forcing* use of DNS. > ITYM, "I want to test address-to-hostname translation using > /etc/hosts." No. "I want to test address-to-hostname translation using the resolver, whatever *it's* using (DNS/hosts/YP)." > I couldn't sleep so I wrote a quick program. Exactly what I was looking for. I enhanced it to provide both addr and name lookups. I think this is a useful tool that could be included in the base system, even if so trivial. It can be very useful to test an installation or configuration of the resolver. Index: iplookup.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /u/anarcat/ncvs/iplookup.c,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- iplookup.c 26 Nov 2001 20:28:40 -0000 1.1 +++ iplookup.c 26 Nov 2001 22:01:40 -0000 1.2 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ /* * Copyright (c) 2001 Crist J. Clark - * $Id: iplookup.c,v 1.1 2001/11/26 20:28:40 anarcat Exp $ + * $Id: iplookup.c,v 1.2 2001/11/26 22:01:40 anarcat Exp $ */ =20 #include @@ -17,21 +17,38 @@ { struct hostent *h; struct in_addr a; - int i, j; + int i, name_l; + char addr[24]; + char **p; =20 for (i =3D 1; i < argc; i++) { - if (inet_aton(argv[i], &a) =3D=3D 0) - errx(EX_USAGE, "could not parse IP address: %s", - argv[i]); - - if ((h =3D gethostbyaddr((char *)&a, sizeof a, AF_INET)) =3D=3D NULL) + if (name_l =3D (inet_aton(argv[i], &a) =3D=3D 0)) { + h =3D gethostbyname(argv[i]); + } else { + h =3D gethostbyaddr((char *)&a, sizeof a, AF_INET); + } + if (h =3D=3D NULL) errx(EX_OSERR, "address, %s, failed: %s", argv[i], hstrerror(h_errno)); =20 - printf("%s\n", h->h_name); + if (name_l) { + printf("%s: ", h->h_name); + a.s_addr =3D inet_addr(h->h_addr); + for (p =3D h->h_addr_list ; p !=3D NULL && *p ;) { + addr[0] =3D '\0'; + inet_ntop(h->h_addrtype, *p, addr, sizeof addr); + printf("%s",addr); + if (++p !=3D NULL && *p) { + printf(", "); + } + } + printf("\n"); + } else { + printf("%s: %s\n", argv[i], h->h_name); + } =20 - for (j =3D 0; h->h_aliases[j] !=3D NULL; j++) - printf("\t%s\n", h->h_aliases[j]); + for (p =3D h->h_aliases; p !=3D NULL && *p; p++) + printf("\t%s\n", *p); } =20 return 0; --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Pour information voir http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwCvPAACgkQttcWHAnWiGf+JwCcC0jbJdxdaP79ak1MrXTEN6zE dYYAoJthVVn3Lr3jnqD1zisP1ue1XNb5 =RGZ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 14:20:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.magpage.com (trinity.magpage.com [216.155.0.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7C037B426 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpage.com (poomba.magpage.com [216.155.24.136]) by trinity.magpage.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAQMKPY32090; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:20:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C02C029.7060706@magpage.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:20:25 -0500 From: Daniel Frazier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011112 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: out of memory error... References: <3C0256B4.5020506@magpage.com> <20011126130325.C17576@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RRT-Status: UNKNOWN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:50:28AM -0500, Daniel Frazier wrote: > >>hello all, >> >>The standard class for users on our shell server is defined like this in >>/etc/login.conf... >> >>standard:\ >> :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ >> :welcome=/etc/motd:\ >> :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K:\ >> :path=~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ >> :manpath=/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ >> :cputime=1h30m:\ >> :datasize=24M:\ >> :stacksize=2M:\ >> :memorylocked=4M:\ >> :memoryuse=10M:\ >> :filesize=16M:\ >> :coredumpsize=8M:\ >> :openfiles=24:\ >> :maxproc=32:\ >> :priority=0:\ >> :requirehome:\ >> :umask=022:\ >> :ignoretime@:\ >> :tc=default: >> >>One of the users on this box has recently been complaining about >>recieving an error when trying to use cpan. This is what he provided >>us to show the error... >> > > Erm, you have low memory resource sizes, and then some user gets an > out of memory error running some application..you do the math :) > yah, I got that much... :-P I'm just trying to narrow it down to which specific limit was being reached. The most likely culprit is the memoryuse setting but there are others that relate to memory usage. Are you saying that "Out of memory!" specifically points to the memoryuse=10M being reached? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Frazier Tel: 302-239-5900 Ext. 231 Systems Administrator Fax: 302-239-3909 MAGPAGE, We Power the Internet WWW: http://www.magpage.com/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 14:28: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cs.cmu.edu (CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.222.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21F2937B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from PIPER.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU by cs.cmu.edu id aa11109; 26 Nov 2001 17:27 EST From: davide+freebsd@cs.cmu.edu To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ThinkPad install can't find ep(4) driver In-Reply-To: <22723.1006189432@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14170.1006813650.1@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <14171.1006813650@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, for the benefit of posterity, it *is* in there. Though the installer says it is looking for PCMCIA devices, it will not tell you if it actually finds any. Should you happen to hit Alt-F2 to switch to the alternate console, however, you will see the kernel's device probe message. If you go back to the installer, eventually you will be prompted for server information, etc. Dave Eckhardt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 14:29: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from acmey.gatech.edu (acmey.gatech.edu [130.207.165.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9717C37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by acmey.gatech.edu (Postfix, from userid 19753) id BFED131F1C; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acmey.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86C8330DF; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:28:56 +0000 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:28:56 +0000 (EDT) From: Michael Imamura X-Sender: gte255n@acmey.gatech.edu To: chip Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eterm error when going su In-Reply-To: <200111252219368.SM03488@there> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > I have Eterm 0.9.1 installed and working. but when I su I get the following > error: > > _su: cannot open /etc/termcap. > _su: using dumb terminal settings. > > /etc/termcap is symlinked to /usr/share/misc/termcap. The permissions are set > to read and execute by all. > Any ideas what this means and how I can fix it? Just a shot in the dark (and because I didn't see any other replies), check the value of $TERM from within Eterm ("echo $TERM"). If it's "Eterm", then that might be causing some problems. Try starting Eterm with "Eterm --term-name xterm-color" to see if that fixes the problem. The term name can also be set in the theme config file (look for the line that starts with "term_name"). Hope this helps. - Michael Imamura mimamura@resnet.gatech.edu LUG@GT Web Guy http://www.lugatgt.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 14:57:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B66637B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from arvi.dik.cvut.cz (HELO arvi) (147.32.108.253) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 22:57:41 -0000 Message-ID: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi> From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Radek_V=E1clav=EDk?= To: Subject: IPFW rules Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01C176D6.1E5DB0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Toto je zpráva ve formátu MIME obsahující více èástí. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01C176D6.1E5DB0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have already posted this questing on the news server, but didn't get = an answer :-(. Perhaps someone here (maybe the author) can help. My problem is this one: I have a network, which has a relatively slow connection out to the world. And due to a lots of ftp traffic, other services (like ssh, telnet, vnc..etc) are getting very slow because of = high ping and packet loss. Therefore, I would like to set priority to packets = at different ports (for the firewall to handle these packets prior to the = other ones - like ftp). And this is it. How to create rule for this? I don't want to strictly restrict the bandwitch for ftp (to have full = use of the line for ftp when not using the other services). And even if I'd = decide to do so (rules for this work fine), I don't know, what ports to = restrict ( 2o only doesn't work, cause a lot of users download from different ftp ports). Thanks a lot for help! 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Hi=20 all,
 
I have=20 already posted this questing on the news server, but didn't get an = answer :-(.=20 Perhaps someone here (maybe the author) can help.

My problem is this one: I have a network, which has a = relatively=20 slow
connection out to the world. And due to a lots of ftp traffic,=20 other
services (like ssh, telnet, vnc..etc) are getting very slow = because of=20 high
ping and packet loss. Therefore, I would like to set priority to = packets=20 at
different ports (for the firewall to handle these packets prior to = the=20 other
ones - like ftp). And this is it. How to create rule for = this?
I=20 don't want to strictly restrict the bandwitch for ftp (to have full use=20 of
the line for ftp when not using the other services). And even if = I'd=20 decide
to do so (rules for this work fine), I don't know, what ports = to=20 restrict
( 2o only doesn't work, cause a lot of users download from = different=20 ftp
ports).

Thanks a lot for help!
 
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 15: 0:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15F037B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A99F40E100CC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:00:47 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: Michael Imamura Subject: Re: Eterm error when going su Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:00:03 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111261500743.SM03544@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 26 November 2001 02:28 pm, Michael Imamura wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > > I have Eterm 0.9.1 installed and working. but when I su I get the > > following error: > > > > _su: cannot open /etc/termcap. > > _su: using dumb terminal settings. > > > > /etc/termcap is symlinked to /usr/share/misc/termcap. The permissions= are > > set to read and execute by all. > > Any ideas what this means and how I can fix it? > > Just a shot in the dark (and because I didn't see any other replies), there haven't been any other replies. > check the value of $TERM from within Eterm ("echo $TERM"). If it's > "Eterm", then that might be causing some problems. it is Eterm > Try starting Eterm with "Eterm --term-name xterm-color" to see if that > fixes the problem. =20 I did, it doesn't work. > The term name can also be set in the theme config file > (look for the line that starts with "term_name"). I opened up the themes.cfg file and changed the term_name line to xterm-c= olor=20 but am still getting the same errors when going to su. I verified the cha= nge=20 with echo $TERM.=20 > Hope this helps. Unfortunately is doesn't. Any other ideas? I am going to give this machin= e to=20 a friend so he can learn fbsd, and I would like it to work without any=20 errors, no matter how small. -- Chip > - Michael Imamura mimamura@resnet.gatech.edu > LUG@GT Web Guy http://www.lugatgt.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 15: 6:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DD937B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:06:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1cust79.tnt2.tucson.az.da.uu.net ([63.11.142.79] helo=aol.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Up3-00044l-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:05:57 -0800 From: "Walter Doll" <_azdolls@earthlink.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; 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majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 15: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.snet.net (mta1.snet.net [204.60.203.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B500B37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from enkil (brpt-sh6-port162.snet.net [204.60.25.162]) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id fAQN8eKA024199; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:08:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003101c176d0$6b3e6190$010aa8c0@my.net> From: "Jae Carlson" To: "FreeBSD" , "Robin Skoglund" <_robinsko@online.no> References: <200111262148.WAA18090@mail48.fg.online.no> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stop spreading this virus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Skoglund To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 15:15:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F3B37B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.177.56]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011126231529.XPOA11528.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:15:29 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43FE19FE; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CAC4020ACB; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:16:54 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Simon Dick , Jim Conner , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: can't do reverse dns with /etc/hosts Message-ID: <20011126231654.GA1281@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: The Anarcat , cjclark@alum.mit.edu, Simon Dick , Jim Conner , FreeBSD Questions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <20011115012039.GA61093@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011114173647.D66694@blossom.cjclark.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123164749.0245ec60@mail.enterit.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011123172728.02c61518@mail.enterit.com> <20011124103734.GB386@irrelevant.org> <3BFFF17E.D2E2F7C1@anarcat.dyndns.org> <20011126010753.E222@gohan.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011126010753.E222@gohan.cjclark.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon Nov 26, 2001 at 01:07:53AM -0800, Crist J. Clark wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 02:14:06PM -0500, John Smith wrote: >=20 > I couldn't sleep so I wrote a quick program. I submitted a pr about this. bin/32318: no userland tool available to test resolver facilities I guess I should have asked your approval before hacking the code and making a pr about it, but it is a so trivial program... :) a. --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwCzWUACgkQttcWHAnWiGfsAQCgoeh4bqbOIuCdHeuibzo7bCye Dc0Ani6fi8G/KhFBD01YSqIU+3x0hrlY =9ejR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 15:21:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1843737B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAQNKpQ64099; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:20:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:20:51 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" Cc: "Patrick O'Reilly" , Nils Holland , FreeBSD Question List Subject: Re: Softupdates Message-ID: <20011126172050.A63285@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org>; from bts@babbleon.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:19:52AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: [snip] > Also, you most definately should turn off write-caching if you turn on > softupdates. In fact, you should do this anyway: softupdates are really > rather safe, but write caching is quite dangerous, and doubly so with > softupdates enabled. > > To do this, set > > hw.ata.wc=0 > > in your /boot/loader.conf (assuming IDE devices). In my experience, the current crop of ATA disks (I mostly have IBM) write _much_ slower with write caching disabled (on the order of a magnitude or more). Consequently, I find disabling it most undesirable. Instead, I suggest that you invest in a UPS so that your chance of suddenly dropping power to the disk is acceptably low...this is what I have done. (I don't think your average system crash where power stays up should be a problem since the disk would then have time to flush its cache.) BTW, the performance on SCSI disks doesn't seem to be nearly as adversly affected by disabling write caching (perhaps due to their higher-level command interface, esp. command tag queuing). Any disk experts out there should correct me on this if I'm off base (but this has been my experience). [snip] Bob -- Bob Willcox Boucher's Observation: bob@vieo.com He who blows his own horn always plays the music Austin, TX several octaves higher than originally written. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 16:32:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.ecxnetwork.net (mx0.ecxnetwork.net [208.144.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C7337B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsvr.ecx.com ([208.144.33.135]) by mx0.ecxnetwork.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR07Dp72713 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:07:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JHilgeman@ecx.com) Received: by mailsvr.ecx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:30:31 -0800 Message-ID: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F077@mailsvr.ecx.com> From: Jonathan Hilgeman To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: UNIX Socket Error (MySQL) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:30:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I keep getting this error randomly when trying to connect to the MySQL server: Can't create UNIX socket (55) It happens when trying to connect either through PHP or via the shell (mysql command). I haven't had this problem before - any thoughts? It only happens temporarily, and then resumes working immediately. - Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 16:47:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.ecxnetwork.net (mx0.ecxnetwork.net [208.144.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58B337B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsvr.ecx.com ([208.144.33.135]) by mx0.ecxnetwork.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR0Mep73004 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JHilgeman@ecx.com) Received: by mailsvr.ecx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:45:58 -0800 Message-ID: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F07A@mailsvr.ecx.com> From: Jonathan Hilgeman To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Problems Galore Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:45:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I just posted about a problem with sockets and MySQL, and now I'm getting error messages when trying to connect to the box via FTP. These aren't as frequent, but I'm now inclined to think that it's something to do with my FreeBSD system itself. The load averages are low - there's no process that ever goes above 10% (mySQL does only occasionally), and I've got plenty of free RAM. What can I check? - Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:14:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5222637B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112103a.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.128.106] helo=kushkush) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168WpR-0001NU-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:14:30 -0800 Message-ID: <009601c176e1$23deaec0$6e00a8c0@kushkush> From: "Bara Zani" To: Subject: pppoe and network hang ups ? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:16:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fellow BSD'ers , I'm having a strange problem with my freebsd box i'm running a 4.4 current ( installed from the iso image ) . i'm using it to connect a small home network ( 4 pc's ) to the internet . i have a dsl modem connected to a 3com nic . things are running smoothly for a while and than i get disconnected from the web . i dont care about the disconnect as much but ( there's always a but ;-) . as soon as the ppp hangs i cannot login to the box using ssh fromanywhere including from the internal lan !!! i can connect to the web server to the ssl web server , i csn telnet to port 25 and i can view the samba shares but not login . only way for me to login is to go to he console and HUP pppd ;-( . any idea's / similar problems ? I dont have netgraph compiled into the kernel and i am using ipnat to masq the internel lan . my ppp version is -> PPP Version 2.3.2 - Sep 18 2001 thanks barazani To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:18:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8572437B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7D64613607; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C96ABA1A; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:35:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:35:57 -0800 (PST) From: Linh Pham To: Todd Reed Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Setting up Network Printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011126143539.A55912-100000@q.closedsrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-26, Todd Reed scribbled: # I'm trying to setup a printer on my FreeBSD server. The printer is a # network printer that runs on TCP/IP. Does anyone know of any tutorials or # can give me a heads up on this process? I'm having trouble! Take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/index.html -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] # Every solution breeds new problems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:28:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.rsasecurity.com (mail.rsasecurity.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE06637B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdtihq24.securid.com by tholian.rsasecurity.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 01:28:23 UT Received: from ebola.securitydynamics.com (ebola.securid.com [192.168.7.4]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11648 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from spirit.dynas.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ebola.securitydynamics.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id fAR1SJO13287 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21252 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 01:28:18 -0000 Received: from explorer.rsa.com (HELO mikko.rsa.com) (10.81.217.59) by spirit.dynas.se with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 01:28:18 -0000 Received: (from mikko@localhost) by mikko.rsa.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAR1SGL31811; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikko) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mikko Tyolajarvi Message-Id: <200111270128.fAR1SGL31811@mikko.rsa.com> To: JHilgeman@ecx.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX Socket Error (MySQL) Newsgroups: local.freebsd.questions References: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F077@mailsvr.ecx.com> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In local.freebsd.questions you write: >I keep getting this error randomly when trying to connect to the MySQL >server: >Can't create UNIX socket (55) >It happens when trying to connect either through PHP or via the shell (mysql >command). I haven't had this problem before - any thoughts? It only happens >temporarily, and then resumes working immediately. man errno... 55 ENOBUFS No buffer space available. An operation on a socket or pipe was not performed because the system lacked sufficient buffer space or because a queue was full. Is this a busy server? Have you done any tuning? Unless you have already, start by building a new kernel with a higher "maxusers" value; try 128 (default is 32). You probably also need to raise the value of "option NMBCLUSTERS". See tuning(7) and LINT. $.02, /Mikko -- Mikko Työläjärvi_______________________________________mikko@rsasecurity.com RSA Security To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:40:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.ecxnetwork.net (mx0.ecxnetwork.net [208.144.33.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD36237B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsvr.ecx.com ([208.144.33.135]) by mx0.ecxnetwork.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR1FBp73725 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JHilgeman@ecx.com) Received: by mailsvr.ecx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:38:29 -0800 Message-ID: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F07F@mailsvr.ecx.com> From: Jonathan Hilgeman To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: How to Kill Active UNIX Domain Sockets Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:38:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about the barrage of questions today, but can someone tell me how I can close down "Active UNIX domain sockets" that are listed in netstat? I have 28 pages of this (with different addresses at the beginning): d68fce00 stream 0 0 0 0 0 0 /tmp/mysql.sock How can I close all these? I think they're barraging my server. - Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:42: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvm.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBC637B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.0-025 #39332) id <01KB1B7Y471S989V9V@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:57:24 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from student.canterbury.ac.nz (rbm49.tacacs.canterbury.ac.nz [172.31.164.87]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.0-025 #39332) with ESMTP id <01KB1B7XVZGG8WYFRJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz>; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:57:25 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from rbm49 by student.canterbury.ac.nz with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 166z4Q-0006bZ-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:59:34 +1300 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:59:34 +1300 From: Richard B Mahoney Subject: Re: ps2pdf In-reply-to: <"from mbartels"@genie.de> To: Matthias Bartels Cc: Subscribers to FreeBSD-Questions Reply-To: Richard B Mahoney Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Bartels , Subscribers to FreeBSD-Questions Message-id: <20011123075934.B25011@student.canterbury.ac.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-rmd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthias, On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 09:28:34AM +0100, Matthias Bartels wrote: > i have problem using ps2pdf >=20 > i am using latex to generate dvi files, this files i convert using >=20 > dvips -f -j0 -Pcmz -t a4 myDviFile.dvi > output.ps >=20 > i convert this ps file with >=20 > ps2pdf output.ps >=20 > But when i try to open this document under windows with acroread i get > an error message: >=20 > "... The Root element is missing or invalid." Opening the same pdf > under FreeBSD works fine. >=20 I use `dvips -Pcmz -G0 master.dvi -o master.ps' before using ps2pdf. No one has ever had trouble reading my docs on either a Mac or PC. For a wider range of opinion, may like to post your question to comp.text.tex. Many regards, Richard Mahoney --=20 +----------------------- Richard Mahoney -----------------------+ | 78 Jeffreys Rd +64-3-351-5831 | | Christchurch New Zealand | +--------------[mailto:rbm49@it.canterbury.ac.nz]---------------+ --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 55O5sxHAhlYuLv4K2UhNR5EMb2j/eNTC iQA/AwUBO/1LFla60siGOGUrEQKf5QCglHjQ4Pl5xxZRCD6IBBTdQsN1YbQAnA1V 8gcrMnXh2NzMOPLXwRD7Gyfc =87gg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:44: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C287137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.75]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA24604 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA09358 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from w20-575-38.mit.edu (W20-575-38.MIT.EDU [18.187.0.57]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA16145 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from arvinds@localhost) by w20-575-38.mit.edu (8.9.3) id UAA17280; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:43:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200111270143.UAA17280@w20-575-38.mit.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: PCI controller based modems support? Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:43:58 -0500 From: Arvind Sankar Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see in src/sys/dev/sio.c that there is support for a few pci controller-based modem cards in 4.x. Does anyone have a mapping of the device id's to model names? There seem to be a couple of usrobotics modems that are controller-based and work under linux, does anyone have experience with them under bsd? Thank you for your time. -- arvind p.s. as an aside, what do the tags old_RELENG_4 etc on sio.c mean? Is this different from the regular RELENG_4 series? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 17:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CE437B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D28D66BE2; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:50:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:49:59 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Daniel Frazier Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: out of memory error... Message-ID: <20011126174959.A20635@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3C0256B4.5020506@magpage.com> <20011126130325.C17576@xor.obsecurity.org> <3C02C029.7060706@magpage.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C02C029.7060706@magpage.com>; from dfrazier@magpage.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:20:25PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 05:20:25PM -0500, Daniel Frazier wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:50:28AM -0500, Daniel Frazier wrote: > >=20 > >>hello all, > >> > >>The standard class for users on our shell server is defined like this in > >>/etc/login.conf... > >> > >>standard:\ > >> :copyright=3D/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ > >> :welcome=3D/etc/motd:\ > >> :setenv=3DMAIL=3D/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=3DK:\ > >> :path=3D~/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin:\ > >> :manpath=3D/usr/share/man /usr/local/man:\ > >> :cputime=3D1h30m:\ > >> :datasize=3D24M:\ > >> :stacksize=3D2M:\ > >> :memorylocked=3D4M:\ > >> :memoryuse=3D10M:\ > >> :filesize=3D16M:\ > >> :coredumpsize=3D8M:\ > >> :openfiles=3D24:\ > >> :maxproc=3D32:\ > >> :priority=3D0:\ > >> :requirehome:\ > >> :umask=3D022:\ > >> :ignoretime@:\ > >> :tc=3Ddefault: > >> > >>One of the users on this box has recently been complaining about > >>recieving an error when trying to use cpan. This is what he provided > >>us to show the error... > >> > >=20 > > Erm, you have low memory resource sizes, and then some user gets an > > out of memory error running some application..you do the math :) > >=20 >=20 >=20 > yah, I got that much... :-P I'm just trying to narrow it down to > which specific limit was being reached. The most likely culprit is > the memoryuse setting but there are others that relate to memory > usage. Are you saying that "Out of memory!" specifically points to > the memoryuse=3D10M being reached? That would be a good one to start with..10M looks quite low if you expect to be able to run anything. Kris --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8AvFHWry0BWjoQKURAuGAAKDIIxT7vB/ERjWdPHVuErloTFj+sACgpu/i vqFROpMlB0WXhRRHIpxLEto= =GRYf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:12: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ampa.pair.com (ampa.pair.com [209.68.1.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6009137B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 80134 invoked by uid 65534); 27 Nov 2001 02:12:04 -0000 Date: 27 Nov 2001 02:12:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20011127021204.80133.qmail@ampa.pair.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Trivial pppd question From: mikeirw@elementalspace.com User-Agent: Instant Web Mail 0.53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am wondering if there is a way to suppress pppd from announcing itself on all terminals when opening or closing a connection. For example, if I have two or three xterms open in an X session, and begin a pppd connection, I get a message on all the terms that pppd is opening, the ip address, etc. It's not a big deal, but it's just a nuisance to have those messages appear over an open file. Thanks, -- Mike Irwin mikeirw@elementalspace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:12:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from shark.amis.net (shark.amis.net [212.18.32.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7069837B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (unknown [217.72.73.69]) by shark.amis.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D43907C11 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) From: "Straus Zdenko" <_zdenko.straus@amis.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: <20011127021145.D43907C11@shark.amis.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: 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[216.33.237.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B31C37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:27 -0800 Received: from 168.234.203.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:18:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.234.203.5] From: "Oscar Castaneda" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: sony vaio sr laptop compatability inquiry Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:18:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 02:18:27.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC823F30:01C176E9] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, im about to buy a sony vaio sr 33k laptop. It does not include a floppy drive, and since i dont give it much importance im not caring about it. However i was wondering if anybody out there has tried out this laptop with FreeBSD. If there´s someone out there, my q´s are: - Does FreeBSD support the external CD-ROM drive, else i wont be able to install it with no floppy drive, or not? - Are there any obscure hardware issues with this laptop? - The vendor site says it supports 800x600, will i be able to view a 1024x768 resolution? Any advice, considerations, opinions, /etc.. are welcome, thanks to all, oscar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:19: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pianosa.catch22.org (pianosa.catch22.org [64.81.48.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E237B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by pianosa.catch22.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B71624B; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:34 -0800 From: "Rev. Joe Doyle" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdda2wav segfaulting Message-ID: <20011126181834.A8238@nebcorp.com> Reply-To: "Rev . Joe Doyle" Mail-Followup-To: "Rev. Joe Doyle" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011126134210.D12873@nebcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011126134210.D12873@nebcorp.com>; from doyle@nebcorp.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:42:10PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To follow up, I updated my port of cdrtools, rebuilt, and now everything is happy again. Thanks to Philip Hallstrom for the tip. -Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:24:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2850E37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 601AD66B27; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:24:05 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Radek_V=E1clav=EDk?= Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW rules Message-ID: <20011126182405.A21196@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi>; from radekvaclavik@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:34PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:34PM +0100, Radek V=E1clav=EDk wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > I have already posted this questing on the news server, but didn't get an= answer :-(. Perhaps someone here (maybe the author) can help. >=20 > My problem is this one: I have a network, which has a relatively slow > connection out to the world. And due to a lots of ftp traffic, other > services (like ssh, telnet, vnc..etc) are getting very slow because of hi= gh > ping and packet loss. Therefore, I would like to set priority to packets = at > different ports (for the firewall to handle these packets prior to the ot= her > ones - like ftp). And this is it. How to create rule for this? > I don't want to strictly restrict the bandwitch for ftp (to have full use= of > the line for ftp when not using the other services). And even if I'd deci= de > to do so (rules for this work fine), I don't know, what ports to restrict > ( 2o only doesn't work, cause a lot of users download from different ftp > ports). Use dummynet Kris --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD4DBQE8AvlEWry0BWjoQKURAm3TAJ0QSOK0ngI2KM6djqvd7WN281Ff4gCXV8gc 3hdsjMJHgUn+LN0LAbp2zQ== =RvTX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:24:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from thunder.shellsandhosting.com (shellsandhosting.com [64.39.176.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562E937B41C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter (critter [10.0.0.2]) by thunder.shellsandhosting.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAQMSW704008; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:28:32 GMT (envelope-from admin@shellsandhosting.com) Message-ID: <003f01c176ea$e9e5a250$0200000a@critter> From: "ShellsAndHosting.com Administration" To: , "Straus Zdenko" <_zdenko.straus@amis.net> References: <20011127021145.D43907C11@shark.amis.net> Subject: Re: Re: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:26:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C176C1.00956140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C176C1.00956140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stop the viruses already! 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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C176C1.00956140-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:29:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.austclear.com.au (ns1.austclear.com.au [192.43.185.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B22B37B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from tungsten.austclear.com.au (tungsten.austclear.com.au [192.168.166.65]) by ns1.austclear.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAR2TAY84825; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:29:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from ahl@austclear.com.au) Received: from tungsten (tungsten [192.168.166.65]) by tungsten.austclear.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19877; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:29:09 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200111270229.NAA19877@tungsten.austclear.com.au> To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:27:31 BST." <007e01c1766d$57595670$0a00000a@atkielski.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19874.1006828149.1@tungsten> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:29:09 +1100 From: Tony Landells Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The default was "-s", which I changed in rc.conf to "-a 10.0.0.0/24:*"; > if I understood correctly, this would tell syslogd to accept any remote > messages coming from my own subnet (the router is at 10.0.0.30). But > nothing was accepted with that. I finally tried running syslogd with > _no_ options, and now the messages are being accepted. > I'd still like to know why the -a option doesn't seem to work. I don't > like leaving syslogd open to every machine on the network (even though > nothing actually gets past the firewall). The point of my suggestion was to determine whether the problem was your command line or your configuration file. Now that we know it's the command line, we can focus our debugging. Did you do a "ps" listing while you were having problems to check that the running syslogd had the command line you expected? Use something like "ps wwax" or "ps wwaxl", with your "-a ..." option set in rc.conf and see what the syslogd command looks like. If it looks fine, you may want to use the "-d" argument as well (running the command by hand) and shoot a couple of syslog messages from somewhere else that match your address restriction, and see what syslogd says it's doing with it. I haven't used the "-a" argument myself, so I can't tell you whether it looks right or wrong. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:36:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.nji.com (mail.nji.com [216.44.116.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1235B37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from kahuna (mpb-92.nji.com [216.44.117.92]) by ns1.nji.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA11777 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:36:37 -0500 From: "Michael Greenberg" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:39:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: pkg_update w/Apache Message-ID: <3C02B6A8.18970.1632248@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got an older version of apache+mod_ssl installed, and I downloaded the newest package. I try to pkg_update it and the following happens: # pkg_update apache+mod_ssl-1.3.22+2.8.5_1.tgz Updating apache+mod_ssl packages to version 1.3.22 There are no apache+mod_ssl packages installed Well, that prompts me to check, so I do: # pkg_info | grep apache apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 The Apache 1.3 webserver... Well, after a man pkg_update, I tried (sorry about funny line- wrapping problems, if any -- I'm not sure how Pegasus formats this): # pkg_update -r apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 apache+mod_ssl- 1.3.22+2.8.5_1.tgz Updating apache+mod_ssl package version 1.3.20 to 1.3.22 Package apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 is not installed. What's going on? How can I update my version of Apache? Should I use the port tree? I'm not entirely comfortable using ports with just what the Handbook/FAQ/manpages tell me. Any help would be appreciated, Mike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 18:48: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tsl.ru (ns.tsl.ru [195.161.154.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0A637B446 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hold.crystall.local (dial-up-14.tsl.ru [195.161.155.78]) by ns.tsl.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21677 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:47:41 +0900 Received: from c1110101.crystall.local (c1110101.crystall.local [192.168.1.253]) by hold.crystall.local (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAQNHmt01909 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:17:48 +0900 (YAKT) (envelope-from kulemzinn@mail.ru) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:18:19 +0900 From: Igor Kulemzin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Organization: Amursky Crystall X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14054551560.20011127081819@mail.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: '/stand' files changing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've run 'make world', but when I look for changed files I've found that '/stand' directory stay unchanged. 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/l/9D/3yCg== --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 20:13:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from minn.mail.amerion.net (minn.mail.amerion.net [216.177.129.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487D737B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:13:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ogloth (tnt-1-93.dynamic.minn.net [216.177.138.93]) by minn.mail.amerion.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fAR3nUu11846 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:49:30 -0800 From: "Eric Rahmig" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:13:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) Reply-To: erahmig@minn.net Message-ID: <3C02BE71.26378.46004AC@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Simon, I haven't seen any replies to your email so I'll give you my input in the hopes it may be helpful. I recently experienced a similar problem. I no longer remember the exact order of events leading up to the problem. I do remember that one of the things I did was to install the gv port. The message I was getting was: /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpng.so.5" not found I double checked /usr/local/lib and, sure enough, libpng.so.5 was there. The problem seemed to be limited to printing postscript (via gs and magicfilter in my case). Text printed just fine. It turns out that somehow the permissions on the /var/run directory had been changed from 755 to 750. Since gs runs as daemon:daemon when invoked from an lpd input filter the dynamic loader was unable to read the "hints" files in /var/run and so printed the "libpng.so.5 not found" message. I figured this out by modifying the lpd input filter. Instead of having it invoke gs directly I had it call a shell script. The script used the truss command to run gs and print all the system calls it made. By scanning this output I was able to see a "permission denied" error when trying to read the "hints" files in /var/run. Once I did chmod 755 /var/run postscript printing started working again. Hope this helps, Eric On 25 Nov 2001, at 11:41, Simon J Mudd wrote: > Hello, > > I'm running 4.4-STABLE and am having problems with the gv port not > working. I've just deleted the port and reinstalled it, and am now > running gv-3.5.8. > > make install works. > > However when trying to view a postscript file I get the following error > message from the gv X binary: > > GhostScript Messages > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpng.so.4" not found > > Error: Postscript interpreter failed in main window. > > I note that I have the port png-1.2.0 (Library for manipulating PNG > images) installed and the ports packing list shows that it provides > /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.5, not ".4". > > As I don't have a /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.4 library I am unsure why gv > has tried to link against this version, as consequently doesn't work, when > if it linked against libpng.so.5 everything would be working fine. > > I also note that ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/gv doesn't depend on the library > directly, so perhaps the problem is that one of the libraries that it > links against in turns requires libpng.so.4 > > [sjmudd@unicorn postfix-temp]$ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/gv > /usr/X11R6/bin/gv: > libm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libm.so.2 (0x2809d000) > libXaw3d.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7 (0x280b9000) > libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x2810c000) > libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x28121000) > libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x2816b000) > libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x28174000) > libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x2818a000) > libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x28198000) > libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x281a6000) > libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x28280000) > libXThrStub.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXThrStub.so.6 (0x28319000) > > How can I tell which library is out of date (if this is the case) and > rebuild it accordingly? > > Is this something I should reports to freebsd-ports or am I doing > something wrong somewhere? > > Thanks for any pointers. > > Regards, > > Simon > -- > Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 > Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -----------------+--------------------------------------------------------- Eric Rahmig | "It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it erahmig@minn.net | is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to | make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that | it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself | into anything." -- G.K. Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 20:18:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6E437B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jon13579@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.a0.1e0418c9 (1321) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jon13579@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:18:31 EST Subject: ftpchroot difficulty To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been attempting to setup chroot'ed ftp accounts, but I have not been able to get them to work. I created /etc/ftpchroot, and I put a username in the file, but this has had no effect. Can anyone explain this and give a suggestion how to remedy it? Thanks, Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 20:35:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sw2.swtch.com.au (sw2.swtch.com.au [203.87.73.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC7937B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (unverified [203.87.73.12]) by sw2.swtch.com.au (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.189) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:04:55 +0930 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:04:55 +0930 Message-ID: From: "Redback Productions" <_support@redbackproductions.com.au> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) 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id B4C3A37B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-1120d0r.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.52.27] helo=Main) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168a95-0003wn-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c176fe$6b9481f0$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: , References: Subject: Re: ftpchroot difficulty Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:46:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gonna ask the obvious question here. You have stopped and restarted ftpd since you did this correct? I had this trouble myself until I stopped and restarted ftpd killall -HUP ftpd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: ftpchroot difficulty > I've been attempting to setup chroot'ed ftp accounts, but I have not been > able to get them to work. I created /etc/ftpchroot, and I put a username in > the file, but this has had no effect. Can anyone explain this and give a > suggestion how to remedy it? > > Thanks, > Jon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 20:57:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A773D37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:57:50 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: Bob Willcox Subject: Re: Softupdates Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:57:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: "Patrick O'Reilly" , Nils Holland , FreeBSD Question List References: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org> <20011126172050.A63285@luke.immure.com> In-Reply-To: <20011126172050.A63285@luke.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112623573601.00696@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 26 November 2001 18:20, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: > > [snip] > > > Also, you most definately should turn off write-caching if you turn on > > softupdates. In fact, you should do this anyway: softupdates are really > > rather safe, but write caching is quite dangerous, and doubly so with > > softupdates enabled. > > > > To do this, set > > > > hw.ata.wc=0 > > > > in your /boot/loader.conf (assuming IDE devices). If you use softupdates *and* enable write caching then you will screw up your disk with a simple sequence like rm -r foo/* shutdown -p now because the softupdates process will just finish writing its updates before the power is clobbered. At least that happens with my hardward, so softupdates is not compatible with write-cache-enabled. And from what I can tell (no rigorous testing), softupdates w/o write cache is just as fast as non-softupdates w/ write cache, but lots safer. I know that I've crashed 8 times in the last 36 hours and I'm darn glad I don't enable write caching! (Of course that's not the norm, but sometimes I manage that sort of thing.) > > In my experience, the current crop of ATA disks (I mostly have IBM) > write _much_ slower with write caching disabled (on the order of a > magnitude or more). Consequently, I find disabling it most undesirable. > Instead, I suggest that you invest in a UPS so that your chance of > suddenly dropping power to the disk is acceptably low...this is what I > have done. (I don't think your average system crash where power stays > up should be a problem since the disk would then have time to flush its > cache.) > > BTW, the performance on SCSI disks doesn't seem to be nearly as adversly > affected by disabling write caching (perhaps due to their higher-level > command interface, esp. command tag queuing). > > Any disk experts out there should correct me on this if I'm off base > (but this has been my experience). > > [snip] > > > Bob -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 20:59: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wiprom2mx2.wipro.com (wiprom2mx2.wipro.com [203.197.164.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6637B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from m2vwall3.wipro.com (m2vwall3.wipro.com [164.164.29.237]) by wiprom2mx2.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR4whf29391 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:28:45 +0530 (IST) Received: from 192.168.2.18 by m2vwall3.wipro.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:28:26 +0530 Received: from Gautham ([192.168.2.215]) by sarovar.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNG0HL00.R5Y; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:28:33 +0530 Message-ID: <03fe01c17771$7eb3b1c0$d702a8c0@Gautham> From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: "Paul '" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions @ FreeBSD.org" References: Subject: Re: www ftp mirrors? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:29:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPartTM-000-ba63d192-e2e4-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-ba63d192-e2e4-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try this search on google : "Parent Directory" freebsd ".iso" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul '" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: www ftp mirrors? > i'm looking to obtain some bootable floppy images for 4.4 release and cant > seem to find a www mirror of any freebsd ftp site. > > I would get them via ftp but here at work our firewall turns around all > external ftp access. > > Does FreeBSD have an official www source for floppy images? what about a > full installation via www, is this possible? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ------=_NextPartTM-000-ba63d192-e2e4-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5 Content-Type: text/plain; name="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Wipro and/or its Customers and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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In such cases, please notify us immediately at mailto:mailadmin@wipro.com and delete this mail from your records. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPartTM-000-ba63d192-e2e4-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:10:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1FB37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:10:15 -0800 Received: from 24.116.158.21 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:10:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.158.21] From: "Charles Burns" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: XFree 4.* memory usage Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:10:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 05:10:15.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCAA73C0:01C17701] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Loking at 'top', I notice that XFree 4.2 (or whatever the newest version is) appears to be using about 68MB of RAM. This is without a window manager, just the checkerboard background and the X cursor. Is this normal? My system: AMD based PC, X having been compiled with some optimizations. Could that be it? CFLAGS="-s -O2 -march=pentiumpro -malign-functions=4 -fexpensive-optimizations -fschedule-insns2 -mwide-multiply -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" Charles Burns _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:29:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22F137B405; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAR5TJ594395; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:29:19 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: questions@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:29:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Help wanted on FreshPorts2 Reply-To: dan@langille.org Message-ID: <3C02DE58.21958.101FAE13@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking to add more people to the FreshPorts project. If interested, please read: http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=2548 If you have any questions, please reply off-list. Cheers. Thanks. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:33:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFF137B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smui04.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.26]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168Tor-0007Ia-04 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:01:41 -0500 Received: by smui04.slb.mindspring.net id PAA0000017115; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:54:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:54:19 -0500 From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Mass Renaming of Files Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 63.228.157.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did ask this question another place and was basically told that this was a somewhat hard to accomplish (and possibly dangerous) process when doing mass renaming of files and folders. Thought I would ask here, though, to see if any of you had any experience in this type of thing and found a simpler solution. I am trying to parse directories and files into lists, but I am running into a lot of issues because there are spaces in directory names and file names. Do any of you know of a script that could be written or possibly existst that would search for and replace spaces with underscores? I would need to do this across about 300 directories with about 30gigs worth of files (no idea of actual number of files). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:42:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9637B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAR5h6N90972 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:43:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: FreeBDS-Questions Subject: Low throughput on server: how to remedy? Message-ID: <20011127003256.D90942-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: I have a server running FreeBSD 4.4 release, hooked up to a network via a 100 MBit switch. When I retrieve files via FTP over this link, the files are coming in at 38 MBit/sec maximum. Now, the 38 MBit/sec figure is when there is barely any traffic going through the wire other than between the server and ONE client. I am wondering why the throughput is not even half what the switch can handle. The switch and NIC's are set to 100 MBit full duplex, so I know that the server simply cannot pump out any more data. I don't think the server is underpowered, but here are the specs: Intel Celeron 400 MHz 256 MB RAM 40 GB 7200 RPM IDE Quantum HDD (ATA-33) 3Com 3c905 NIC I checked the top output during a download, and I see maybe 5% CPU usage going towards user processes, and 90% for interrupts. Could it be that maybe the NIC is causing such high rate of interrupts? Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 12:32AM up 15 days, 9:01, 1 user, load averages: 1.02, 1.02, 0.99 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:49:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471F737B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC3C2B696; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:48:20 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D836C1FF; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:47:41 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:47:41 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: jayyness@mindspring.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files Message-ID: <20011127164741.F579@k7.mavetju.org> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , jayyness@mindspring.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jayyness@mindspring.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:54:19PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:54:19PM -0500, jayyness@mindspring.com wrote: > Do any of you know of a script that could be written or possibly existst that would search for and replace spaces with underscores? What kind of rename/move are you talking about? There is, normally, no reason to worry, since you always can use "mv 'blaat blaat' /some/other/place" without having to worry about spaces. If you have to do selections in directories regarding files, it might be easier to use Midnight Commander or something. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:56:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6587537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73060 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 05:56:18 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:56:18 -0600 To: David Kirchner Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <34363616@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Kirchner types: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, > > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the > > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, > This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when > they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify > them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it > happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, > too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggestion. > Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) It's happened. At least one ISP has been sued as a result. The ISP contended that electronic mail isn't 100% reliable to start with, and that similar services never reveal the details of how they are protecting users from being bothered. The latter clinched the case, and the user lost. I'm an anti-spammer, but I'm also anti-vigilante and against the "email arms race" that has arisen. I'd much rather people had an easy way to complain to the spammers ISP than that the ISP provided filtering, with or without an opt-out. I couldn't get one of my clients to turn off the email filtering that denied me the chance to complain about SPAM. Given that they were mostly blocking viruses that wouldn't do anything on my system anyway, it really was pitiful. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F90137B42F for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAR60TN91056 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:00:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:00:29 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: FreeBDS-Questions Subject: Re: Low throughput on server: how to remedy? In-Reply-To: <20011127003256.D90942-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> Message-ID: <20011127010011.X91048-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Problem fixed... ignore the original message. Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 1:00AM up 15 days, 9:28, 1 user, load averages: 1.18, 1.09, 1.03 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 22:11:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F52437B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73204 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 06:11:53 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:11:53 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size In-Reply-To: <11745395@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski types: > Since memory isn't very expensive these days, I'm thinking of adding more RAM to > my FreeBSD machine; it has 256 MB, but I was thinking of going to 1 GB, which is > the capacity of this machine. Currently, I have a 800 MB swap partition (or is > it a slice?--I know it's not a filesystem) defined. It's a partition. Slices are MS-DOS things. Partitions are BSD things. > Is this enough for 1 GB of RAM? How much ram you have isn't the critical question. The critical question is how much virtual space you need. If you need 800MB of virtual and have 1Gig of real, you need 0 swap. > Is there any kind of strong correlation between RAM size and swap file > size that I have to be concerned about? There are two: 1) you need at least RAM size + 64K to get a dump. 2) The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x ram size. > Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when RAM is exhausted, or does it > have to use the swap file all the time (as in a one-to-one VM > mapping scheme)? Neither. It doesn't do a ono-to-one VM scheme, but the system is opportunistic about putting things on swap and tagging the page as "free" if it can. > If the swap file is of less than optimal size, what happens? Things are less than optimal. :-) > I looked at the swapinfo command and it shows 0% of the swap file used (the > system is not heavily loaded by any measure). In your situation, there are three reasonable alternatives: 1) Remove the swap entirely. While there's been some work recently to deal with being out of virtual better, but I'm not sure I trust it. After all, the flip side of RAM being cheap is that disk is also cheap. 2) Leave swap as it is. You can then use paging activity as a warning that you need RAM - or paging space - as system usage picks up. 3) Grow swap to 1Gig + 64K. That way you can get crash dumps. Oh yeah - this has to be on a *single* swap partition. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. 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for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73377 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 06:32:49 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.13201.327012.470117@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:32:49 -0600 To: Simon J Mudd Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Packaging with ports (was: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4) In-Reply-To: <119510040@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon J Mudd types: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > I'm still surprised that I'm allowed to install kdelibs-2.2_3 > > > over kdelibs-2.1.1. That IMHO shouldn't be allowed. > > I've already addressed why it's allowed, and should continue to be > > allowed. > If there are no conflicts it makes sense (using a different PREFIX for > example). If there are conflicts it doesn't make sense. It's not that simple. If I'm upgrading from libfoo.so.1 to libfoo.so.2, then instaling .2 over .1 means I don't break the applications that depend on .1. Later, when I delete .1 I'm probably going to screw up .2. On the other hand, at that time I'll be reinstalling everything that depends on .1 anyway, so reinstalling .2 isn't that much of a problem. > What I was getting at here is that it's easy to shoot yourself in the toe > and _sometimes_ it's IMO too easy. > > In the end I don't think we are arguing about content, more about end-user > (system administrator in this case) presentation of the packaging system. Yup. I've agreed that having packages test the plist and warn you if any of the files already exist would be a good thing. Even for ports, it'd be a good thing - just a lot harder to do. > > > Those files with different paths aren't affected. > > > Those files with the same names which differ will effectively wipe out the > > > older version. this conflict effectively makes the stored package > > > information wrong and misleading. > > Yup. That's just one reason for deleting the old version of a package > > before installing a new one. > perhaps portupgrade should be a basic part of the port system. that way it > would be more consistent if I could do a "make upgrade" There are two problems with that. One is that it's a stop-gap, waiting on the libh work. The second is that it would require putting ruby in the base system. That in itself will generate a lot of resistance. > [snip] > > You aren't supposed to install two packages that use the same > > file. That usually indicates an error on the users part. > > A check could probably be added to pkg_add for that. Doing it for > > ports is more interesting. > But these days an installed port is registered as if it were a package. > So is there any difference from a users point of view between the two? For the ultimate end-user, no. As a sysadmin, I certainly think so. Ports provide a lot more flexibility, but use a lot more resources. > > Basically, it just didn't work worth diddly. There's no option - at > > least on the version I have - to make it automatically install rpm's > > that are required but aren't on the system. > Yes, I agree this is one of the things about ports that I really like. > While /usr/ports when "clean" is not tiny it is very useful, and not > having to search here or there for required packages is definitely a > god-send. I heartedly agree. Obviously all the information about all > ports is also at hand which for contributed rpms isn't the case either. You don't need /usr/ports installed to get the "automaticly fetch dependencies" feature. pkg_add will do the same thing for you. If you're fetching the packages from a remote site, it will try to fetch the dependency packages remotely as well. > > > I think that perhaps "make install" in ports is rather dangerous. > > > there appears to be no checks that the installed software will > > > overwrite existing packages or software. Perhaps this could be > > > improved, or am I missing some command to avoid this problem? > > Nope, you're not missing a command. The problem is that "make install" > > normally just hands things off to the installation procedure for the > > program that was ported. It might be possible to add a > > "checkoverwrites" target that uses the plist, but I'm not sure. Some > > ports build the plist on the fly. > This obviously complicates the installation process, one of the current > pains with rpm. However with rpm (and the ports could do the same thing) > you install into an install root to generate the binaries. With the > ports you'd need to do this before recopying the files to their final > locations. I can see people seeing this "double copy" process as being > unnecessary, but it does allow you to generate your plist dynamically. You don't have to go through that. Ports have "packing lists" in them. The catch is that some ports generate them dynamically depending on the build-time environment. If it weren't for that, you could take the packing list and PREFIX and check for the files. Once the package is built, the plist is fixed, so the problem goes away. > An alternative would simply to see if you would install over a file _while > installing_ and be able to stop/warn the user if that happens. In rpm > this is automatic. This isn't contemplated for the reasons you state with > the ports. That alternative doesn't get you anything, which is why I never mentioned it. You get half-way through installing a package and it complains, so what happens next? If you abort the install, you've got half of a package installed and have to figure out how to back it out. If you overwrite the file anyway, you may have just broken some other package, and won't be able to remove that other package without breaking this one. If you don't overwrite the file, you may break *this* package, and will have to change the packing list on the fly to keep backing this package out from breaking the other package. I figure it's much easier just to do it beforehand in the first place. BTW, if it's not obvious, two ports installing the same file is considered a problem in the ports. The only exceptions are when the two ports are two different versions of one application - say a development and stable version, or one that expects a4 paper and one that expects us letter, or with different language options. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 22:44:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from longfellow.nbrewer.com (nbrewer.dsl.visi.com [208.42.141.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB6237B416 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by longfellow.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 63F4D1880; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:44:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:44:29 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: kjell@la3sg.net Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dumb UPS support under FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20011127004426.A62219@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , kjell@la3sg.net, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C01F367.8646.DBFD8@localhost>; from kmidtset@c2i.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:46:47AM -0000 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kjell (kmidtset@c2i.net) wrote: > List members! > > I am looking for a program that will work with my (Liebert) dumb UPS > that will perform an orderly shutdown of my computer by power fail, and > turn it back on again when power returns. > > I have spent some time with the bkpupsd program, and found that it > turns the UPS off at the same time it calls shutdown. Thus shutdown > does not get time to sync discs etc.. This renders bkpupsd useless for > machines with both latching (AT) and soft (ATX) power switches. > > I have found the mgeupsd and upsd programs in the ports collection. > Does anyone have any experience with these programs? > > Are there any other programs I may use? After some modification? You might want to try nut. According to their site at http://www.exploits.org/nut/library they explicitly support Leibert UPSes, and have a customized driver for them. I use a different type of UPS (APC SmartUPS), but I did have success scripting a safe rc.shutdown script (after repeated and risky experimentation). The biggest problem with nut is the lack of good on-line documentation. If you fetch and extract the tarball, there are very good docs included in the distribution. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 22:48:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E4BB37B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73599 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 06:48:45 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.14157.861168.682892@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:48:45 -0600 To: Simon J Mudd Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <96683653@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I should know better than to reply before reading all of a thread....] Simon J Mudd types: > The problem perhaps is that once you've isntalled two conflicting copies > of a port it is impossible to uninstall one without affecting the other one. Correct. > You also don't know which port is _really_ installed completely (if at all). You may be able to figure it out by looking at the dates in /var/db/pkgs. Since I normally want to resolve the situation, it doesn't matter. > So you can't go back from this situation, and it's easy to get into it. Backing out is easy. Decide which one you want to install. Delete both packages, using the force option if necessary, and then install the one you want installed. Poof, you're done. If you're using portupgrade, you'll want to fix the db. Depending on the packages, you may want to note the dependency list of the one you didn't reinstall so you can reinstall those as well. > > There's no reason to upgrade everything it depends > > on in that case. > If you want to upgrade portA-1.2.3 -> portA-2.0.1 and the dependency for > portA-2.0.1 is for a package portB-X and the installed version of portB is > less than X, then this doesn requires portB to be upgraded. Obviously > this is the situation where "all hell may break loose" because this may > require further package upgrades. Ideally the packaging system would > tell you two things: > > (A) you can't do this if other ports depend on the installed > version of portB > (B) if you do this you'll need to upgrade other ports which depend > on portB to ensure that the system stays "stable". > > rpm does (A) which is obviously easier, and I'm not aware of a packaging > system which does (B). Ok, FreeBSD does A, assuming the packages database is up to date. What happens for B is that it installs the old version as well as the new one. In some cases, this works. In the cases where it doesn't, the only harm done is that you'll have to reinstall the newer B a second time. Getting warnings would give you the option of not upgrading A until you had time to deal with all hell breaking loose. This can't be fixed as a general problem because applications - and hence packages - change names. I.e. - cdrecord has become cdrtools. If I have cdrecord installed, and install something that wants part of cdrtools that wasn't in cdrecord, there's currently no way to solve the problem. > Thus deleting packages doesn't seem to be the problem it's more installing > is "too easy". I *never* expected to hear that said about *anything* associated with a Unix system. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 22:52:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6C1237B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73765 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 06:52:26 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.14378.386000.808488@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:52:26 -0600 To: Igor Kulemzin Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: '/stand' files changing In-Reply-To: <126825447@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Igor Kulemzin types: > I've run 'make world', but when I look for changed files > I've found that '/stand' directory stay unchanged. Why? Because they aren't part of world, they are part of release. If what you want to do is update sysinstall from sources, it's in /usr/src/release/sysinstall. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:13:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE2D37B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR7AhR46649; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Robert Suetterlin" Cc: Subject: RE: storing 10TB in 494x435x248mm, with power of 200W (at 28VDC) (was: why are You asking here) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:10:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c17712$9f775880$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011126120431.C1170@robert2.mpe-garching.mpg.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert >Suetterlin >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:05 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: storing 10TB in 494x435x248mm, with power of 200W (at 28VDC) >(was: why are You asking here) > > >Hello Ted, > >thanks for discussing this problem so far, it really helps making up >my mind when I get different opinions on this topic. > your welcome > >[...] >> >> 3) What exactly is a HSM going to do for you? >> >HSM is useful if You have a hirarchy of storage with different >> >qualities. >> That's what I said. >> >> You indicated that your doing archival only - ie: "one quality" in your >> terms. Is this not true? >[...] >Sorry. I seem to keep to much of my thoughts to myself: A data rate of >260MByte per second, the size and power limits seemed to prohibit real >time compression. (We need 'lossless' compression, and there has not >been an algorithm selected / designed yet.) The only people I know of in the industry that have the experience with on-the-fly high compression that might possibly help you is Stac Electronics, they have some patented algorithms that could possibly be scaled up to what you want. I would not discount on-the-fly compression if I were you. Even if you got a small amount of compression it would reduce the storage needs tremendously. It's an option that because the benefits are so large it's worth exploring. >I concluded we would have to >record the 45 Minute 260MB/s databursts to some kind of fast >intermediate storage (for example RAM or Solid State Disks, etc.). Then >we could spend some time (e.g. a day) on transferring that data to >permanent storage and possibly reprocessing / compressing offline. >Sometimes experimentalists would like to read some 'old' data back into >the machinery to do a little analysis online (via telescience) before a >shuttle takes the 'tapes' back to earth. In addition the system should >'automatically' record metadata and implement redundancy. > Would the experimentalists really need the high resolution to do online analysis? What about recording 2 databursts at the same time - a high resolution one and a low resolution one? The low resolution one would spool off to temp storage and perhaps only be saved for a few days, or downloaded Earthside. That might be enough to figure out where the interesting things are. >To me there seemed to exist two possible solutions (except for the >completely handmade thingy): 1) a kind of batchmode system running >{record, reprocess, store} and {reread, reprocess, manipulate} jobs that >would be similar to a VCR and would require implementing metadata and >redundancy 'by hand'. 2) or using some kind of storage manager, that >could handle these tasks and manage resources 'automatically'. > Well, I think you got 2 redundancy needs here. First is what you would call data integrity problems, that's what you want the metadata for, all it does is verify that the storage medium isn't trash. It's important for storage media like tape because tape is nowhere near got the critical reliability that you want. But, I'd pose the question, what if the storage medium were "perfect" or nearly so, would there be the same redundancy needs? The second redundancy is, well what happens if a shuttle on a return trip crashs and your tapes get disintegrated. >[...] >> >150TB of data per year. If there is a >> >shuttle mission each month, they will have to transport 10TB of data >> >each time. >> So then have someone design an optical solution for you. >[...] >I have monitored the 'optical solutions' market for three years now and >I do not trust in them beeing able to deliver better data density than >magnetic media in the next ten years... but then I would be delighted if >they proved me wrong. >[...] >> >I also would like to use the >> >same general technique today that we will launch in five years (and then >> >use for up to ten more). So I would like to use standard hardware and >> >software solutions. These will most likely adept to the future >> >automatically. >> Any standard solution will be hopelessly obsolete 10 years from now and >> getting >> parts for it will cost astronomically. >[...] >You are completely right --- talking about fixed hardware. (I see that >my paragraph hints to such a thing.) Yet I thought about a combination >of software and hardware, where both could be upgraded independently >while still keeping standard interfaces available, and called that a >'standard solution'. I mean something like Intel CPU, PC Architecture >and *BSD. All have changed over the last ten years quite a lot. But >still I could run a software that would rely on 'standard' interfaces >(like files, ports, pipes, etc.) from ten years back on todays most >modern hardware and newest *BSD version. And the prices would even have >dropped. I would caution you about that. One of the poorest-kept secrets in computer hardware today is we have long since gotten into the area of diminishing returns in the "industry standard" Wintel architecture. There's a lot of future computer technology, like voice recognition, artificial intelligence, and so on that is going to require an order of magnitude more powerful computer hardware than what we got today. Microsoft and Intel both know it, and both of them are caught between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they must break with the past and go to a totally new architecture to break away from the old IBM PC/XT limitations. On the other, if they do that then they redefine the market and in so doing open the door for a huge host of new competitors. But if they do nothing, then people are going to eventually stop buying new hardware and software except for replacement of failed electronics, and both of them will go out of business. I think we are seeing the warning shots across the bow now, the computer market is getting restless and is sending the message loud and clear that the same _old_ Wintel in a new box won't cut it anymore. They aren't buying anymore and it's hurting the entire technology sector. I suspect that in 10 years that computers are going to look very, very different than they do today with fundamentally different internal architectures. I hope that FreeBSD keeps up! >> >> Instead of attempting to get some sort of standard now, what you need >> to do is trust in the Capatalistic system to use whatever work your >> R&D budget creates and make commercial products out of it. Then 10 >> years from now such high-capacity arrays will cost $100 and be >> available from Costco. Attempting to use off-the-shelf products now >> does not help anybody realize any R&D leverage from your budget - >> which is the entire point of the money spent on ISS. >> >> The dollars are available from the hardware manufacturers. Your >> project would have high marketing value to them. Leverage that value! >Yes. Maybe that is the best strategy to go with... and it would be in >the best spirit of the ISS project. Considering my 'spare' time and all >I heard in several discussions this will be a likely >solution. Well I'm sure that we would be interested in future news here on this espically if it involves FreeBSD. Keep us apprised! Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:21:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1F337B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR7LiR46674; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: RE: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:21:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c17714$2abf0ea0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <008901c17671$360f02e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@freebie.atkielski.com] >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:55 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > > >Ted writes: > >> Heli-scan technology was a good thing when it came >> out, but today there's DLT which is much better in >> terms of reliability in a production environment. > >I'd use DLT if it didn't cost four times as much as DAT for both drives and >media. With the light use I give my drive, and the fact that the >drive reading >the tape is always the same drive that wrote it, I hope not to have >any problems >any time soon. > I myself use DAT at home, light duty, and have had no problems. I mainly wanted to emphasize that while DAT is fine for light use, it won't stand up to a tape cassette's worth of data totally rewritten every night for a year. You have to be a little careful when recommending solutions to note the environment they work in. >> When that figure starts to rise then get the tape >> drive realigned before you start tossing tapes. > >Is realignment any cheaper than just buying a new drive? > It depends on the drive - on the Exabyte 8mm drives it certainly was. On the others, not so much. But there's another reason to do periodic alignmnets - hardware compression. DAT tape is pretty interchangeable from manufacturer's drive to manufacturer's drive as long as the drive's hardware compression is switched off. But if it's turned on, some drives use compression schemes that other's can't read. It would suck mightily if you had 3 years of backup tape saved up, all hardware compressed, and you replaced the tape drive and found all old tapes to be unreadable. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:28:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from syndicate.tek-shop.com (tek-shop.com [63.206.17.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3767237B41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (adsl-64-160-145-191.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.160.145.191]) by syndicate.tek-shop.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id fAR7SF951440 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:28:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@tek-shop.com) Message-Id: <200111270728.fAR7SF951440@syndicate.tek-shop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Reply-To: eric@tek-shop.com Organization: TekShop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: error starting kdm from getty Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:22:28 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to start kdm by including the folllowing in /etc/ttys: ttyv7 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure kdm starts upon bootup, but I get an error on my console that says [kdm_config]: unknown command line option 'ttyv7' anybody know what that's about?? typing that into google doesn't yield much, nor does kde's site. thanks eric www.tek-shop.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:33:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C859937B42B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR7WcR46714; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:32:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "mark tinguely" , Cc: , Subject: RE: IPFW/VLAN Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:32:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <200111261513.fAQFDfU18648@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: mark tinguely [mailto:tinguely@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu] >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:14 AM >To: joost@bps.jodocus.org; tedm@toybox.placo.com >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; puga@mauibuilt.com >Subject: RE: IPFW/VLAN > > > >> In reality, what they are actually doing here is tying ipfw specifically >> to Ethernet when it comes to treatment of ARP packets. This >> is philosophically wrong as a FreeBSD system could theoredically have >> a broadcast-type interface on it in which ARP had meaning and Ethernet >> typing didn't. (for example, if someone wrote an ARCnet driver for it, >> which is highly unlikely) > >Actually, there are now a couple ARCnet drivers for FreeBSD. The existing >ARP code in the network stack is ethernet length-centric, but there are >patches to correct that. Possibly the ipfw code can adapt these changes >also. > Holy cow! (sounds of picking himself up off the floor) Next thing you know someone will write a Token Ring driver for FreeBSD. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:36:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13504.mail.yahoo.com (web13504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE9F037B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:36:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011127073655.24137.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.150.128.129] by web13504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:36:55 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: chia an Subject: running stable To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011125230348.53292.qmail@ampa.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to all bsd_users, please give ur hand to solve my problem, 1.i dont know how to make my freebsd become stable, so i get source from my friend and copy into /usr/src, and then iam running make world from /usr/src, its completely without any problem, and then going to continue with mergemaster, there was alot of text appear and ask me : how should i deal with this [leave it and hand it later]? because i dont know how to solve it, i am just press enter through finished.still no problem! then i rebooting my computer and i still dont know what is the diffrent after i got stable source and running with make world and mergemaster!is it true if it will appear FreeBSD4.4 STABLE?but how to make it true? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:45:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13503.mail.yahoo.com (web13503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D267737B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:45:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011127074519.86171.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.150.128.129] by web13503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:45:19 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: chia an Subject: cant compile kernel To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i cant compile my kernel, there wan an error occur : ../../conf/ldscript.i386:130 invalid assignment to location counter **Error code 1 how to solve it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:47: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13509.mail.yahoo.com (web13509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D67A37B41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011127074700.26940.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.150.128.129] by web13509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:00 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: chia an Subject: running stable To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to all bsd_users, please give ur hand to solve my problem, 1.i dont know how to make my freebsd become stable, so i get source from my friend and copy into /usr/src, and then iam running make world from /usr/src, its completely without any problem, and then going to continue with mergemaster, there was alot of text appear and ask me : how should i deal with this [leave it and hand it later]? because i dont know how to solve it, i am just press enter through finished.still no problem! then i rebooting my computer and i still dont know what is the diffrent after i got stable source and running with make world and mergemaster!is it true if it will appear FreeBSD4.4 STABLE?but how to make it become stable one __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:48:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13502.mail.yahoo.com (web13502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9056537B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:48:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011127074823.8139.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.150.128.129] by web13502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:48:23 PST Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: chia an Subject: config problem To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG after startup iam running dmesg |more and there was an error appear : config> #di sn0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di lnc0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di ie0 invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di fe0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di ed0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di cs0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di bt0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di aic0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di aha0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #di adv0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> #q Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. how to solve this problem?Prior someone have suggestion to me like this: (cd /boot ,,edit kernel.conf Remove the drivers out of there that you removed from the kernel. I suggest you make a backup copy of kernel.conf first. Then when you reboot the next time you shouldn't see any problems.) this step doesnt work, i hope others can give me solution!thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:52:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05CC37B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR7qWR46771; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Stephen Hovey" Cc: Subject: RE: this spam Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:52:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011126092308.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: jacks@sage-american.com [mailto:jacks@sage-american.com] >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:23 AM >To: Stephen Hovey; Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: this spam > > >Stephen: You are rigt and that was my very point earlier.... it may be okay >to suggest that a mailserver administrator decide what is spam, until he >decides it is YOUR emails... Your missing the point Jack. spam is mail that is unsolicited and sent to multiple recipients, many hundreds of thousands of recipients. A spam message that you receive is no more sent "to you" than my germs are when I sneeze in a room you happen to be in. However, I have a suggestion for you - if your mailserver admin is spam filtering, then if you don't like it then run your own mailserver and you can do whatever the heck you want. We have many (including myself, BTW) customers that do this and we could care less if they do. Do you think that it makes any difference to an ISP if the incoming SMTP is going to their mailserver then being sucked off that server via POP3 to a mail client vs the incoming SMTP going directly to that mail client owner's mailserver? Well maybe to some ass-backwards ISP's like Excite@Home which prohibit such behavior it does (hmm - now those guys are going bankrupt, do you think there's a connection? Nahhhhhh!) You guys are missing the boat here. If you spend five minutes actually READING the RFC's and documentation on Internet e-mail you will realize that kludges like POP3 and IMAP exist only to allow intermittently-connected dialup hosts to deal with e-mail. The original design of the Internet expected that ALL hosts participating in mail would be DIRECTLY connected ALL THE TIME. Mail was to go directly from the sender's workstation to the recipient's workstation. ISP's have a legitimate reason to filter spam BESIDES user's demands that they do so - because since the ISP concentrates hundreds to thousands of e-mailboxes on it's mailserver (because of all the weenie Windows clients that couldn't run an SMTP server if they tried) a typical spam run places the burden on that ISP of paying for the storage for all that spam. When you pay an ISP for a mailbox, your paying that ISP to handle your legitimate mail for you. The ISP prices the cost of the mailbox based on a statistical average of how much storage that they expect all users to use. If the ISP allows incoming spam to enter their mailserver it totally screws this average. The ISP is then put into the position where they either have to pass the increased storage cost on to people like you, or reduce their profits. So the choices are the ISP loses customers or it weakens itself financially to the point of going bankrupt. >that's way too much powe to give to a single >person or place... then censorship sets in without bounds to some who go to >extremes.... people being people... > Yah - I'll bet you will be eating those words when your ISP comes to you and jacks up your mailbox price an extra $5 a month to pay for all that "non censorship" your advocating. It's pretty easy to have these high-falutin ideals when your not paying for them. And if you honestly would pay the extra $5 for a mailbox then you better wake up and come to the real world because 99.99% of all customers won't. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 23:58:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DD337B417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ivfo8b.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.225.11] helo=gohan.cjclark.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168d8S-0005Gn-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:58:33 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by gohan.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id fAR0mff00633; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:48:41 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Radek_V=E1clav=EDk?= Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW rules Message-ID: <20011126164841.B418@gohan.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi>; from radekvaclavik@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:34PM +0100 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:34PM +0100, Radek Václavík wrote: [snip] > My problem is this one: I have a network, which has a relatively slow > connection out to the world. And due to a lots of ftp traffic, other > services (like ssh, telnet, vnc..etc) are getting very slow because of high > ping and packet loss. Therefore, I would like to set priority to packets at > different ports (for the firewall to handle these packets prior to the other > ones - like ftp). And this is it. How to create rule for this? > I don't want to strictly restrict the bandwitch for ftp (to have full use of > the line for ftp when not using the other services). And even if I'd decide > to do so (rules for this work fine), I don't know, what ports to restrict > ( 2o only doesn't work, cause a lot of users download from different ftp > ports). Look at dummynet(4) and 'pipe' rules in ipfw(8). But catching the ftp data connections with the rules is non-trivial. I do not believe that there is any simple functionality for this built into any tools. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0: 1:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3406437B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR819R46809; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "David Kirchner" Cc: "Stephen Hovey" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:01:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c17719$ac8d1760$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <20011126071615.P15780-100000@localhost> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: David Kirchner [mailto:davidk@accretivetg.com] >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:18 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Stephen Hovey; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: this spam > > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get >spam is OK, >> that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >> Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the >mailserver, > >This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when >they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify >them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it >happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, >too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggestion. >Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) > There's some good tools out there (that are available right with all the anti-spam filters) that make it very easy for server admins to create a list of users that want to opt-out of spam filtering. Certainly, if it makes anyone feel better to have them on there you should install them. But over the last year since subscribing to blacklist services (which was our last major anti-spam change that we did) we have had exactly 0 customers request to be put on the opt-out list. I therefore believe that the effort spent on installing an opt-out list were a complete waste of time, and I don't advocate bothering with it unless you start getting complaints from users. Consider that a legitimate sender is going to immediately telephone the recipient if his legitimate message gets bounced back to him, so there's always a feedback path for this. E-mail isn't the only way to contact people after all. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0: 5: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BE737B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smui02.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.25]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168VL4-00042D-00; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:39:02 -0500 Received: by smui02.slb.mindspring.net id NAA0000009301; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:55:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:55:51 -0500 From: To: Mike Meyer Cc: Totally Jayyness , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Scripting Problems please help Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 63.228.157.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FROM: Mike MeyerDATE: 11/26/2001 08:58:18SUBJECT: RE: Scripting Problems please help Totally Jayyness <> types: >Let's get the problem statement straight. You have a tree of files, >some of which are mp3's, possibly called Mp3 or MP3 or mP3. >Do you want a playlist created in each directory containing 1) the >mp3s in that directory, 2) the mp3s in that directory and all >subdirectories of it, or 3) something I've overlooked? Ok, first off, I REALLY appreciate the help. And sorry if I am not explaining myself well. >In each playlist, do you want the path to the file from a) the >directory the playlist is in, b) the top of the tree you're runnings >this from, c) absolute or d) something I've overlooked. This is what I am looking for... using a small portion of my test directory, we have (making the songs up, since I am work and don't have access to my box at the moment): /usr/test /usr/test/W /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/mexican radio.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/another song.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/third song.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/dark continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/light continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/grey continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/mexican radio.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/lola.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/freddie.mp3 The output I am looking for is: /usr/test/songs.m3u /usr/test/W/songs.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/songs.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/songs.m3u /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/songs.m3u The contentents of /usr/test/songs.m3u would contain all mp3s found in subdirectories below it. /usr/test/W/songs.m3u would contain all songs in subdirectories under /W. /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodo/songs.m3u would contain all songs in subdirectories under it, etc. For this example, the output of all 3 files would be exactly the same though, since I didn't include other letters (X,Y,Z) or other bands (Who, The). /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/mexican radio.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/another song.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/third song.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/dark continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/light continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/grey continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/mexican radio.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/lola.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/WoV Live/freddie.mp3 The contentents of /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/songs.m3u would be: /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/dark continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/light continent.mp3 /usr/test/W/Wall of Voodoo/Dark Continent/grey continent.mp3 I actually eventually have to turn all the ' ' (spaces) into '%20' but I think that will be simple versus getting the songs.m3u files built. From you example below, it looks like it might be possible to have the songs.m3u file actually be named after the last directory (W.m3u, Wall of Voodoo.m3u, Dark Continent.m3u) by probably using a command similar to -maxdepth flag, but songs.m3u is more than fine... I can find how to do that later. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; ls | grep -i '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 1b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 1c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -maxdepth 1 -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2a: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') (cd "$songs"; find . -iname '.mp3$' > "$playlist") done 2b: find . -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done 2c: find /mp3dir -type d | while read songs do playlist=$(echo "$songs.m3u" | sed 's;.*/;;') find "$songs" -iname '*.mp3' > "$songs/$playlist" done ls is the wrong tool for listing filenames with the path. So the only case it works for is when all you want is files in the current directory with the path relative to that directory (i.e. - none). Find always lists files with full path information. So we create playlist by the path information off - being careful to preserve multiple spaces in the names. To get names relative to the current directory, you cd into that directory and run find (or ls for 1a) just putting the output in the playlist. Whether you start the outer find with "." or "/mp3dir" is irrelevant, because the inner find is going to start at "." after the cd. To get paths relative to the top directory, you run the outer find on ., the inner find on the directory name, and redirect the output appropriately. To get full paths, do the same except that you start the outer find with the full path. If you want to keep find from descending into subdirectories, use "-maxdepth 1". If you need option 3 or d, it's going to wait until after I get some sleep. ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-007dcwashp294.dialsprint.net ([63.178.90.160] helo=moo.holy.cow) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168dFp-0005qF-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:06:09 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 799BF50CEF; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:07:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:07:49 -0500 From: parv To: jayyness@mindspring.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files Message-ID: <20011127030749.A38784@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: jayyness@mindspring.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from jayyness@mindspring.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:54:19PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG my good (wo)man, wrap your damn lines around 65 or so characters. it is more important if want a reply. in message , wrote jayyness@mindspring.com thusly... > > Thought I would ask here, though, to see if any of you had any > experience in this type of thing and found a simpler solution. > > I am trying to parse directories and files into lists, but I am > running into a lot of issues because there are spaces in directory > names and file names. > > Do any of you know of a script that could be written or possibly > existst that would search for and replace spaces with underscores? below is a perl program which changes the file name to [a-zA-Z0-9_-.] only characterset, optionally only [a-z0-9_-.]. beware of a bug: this doesn't check if you there is already another file w/ the same name as the translated one. say if you have 2 files: 'pq' and 'p q'. the script will move 'p q' to 'pq', obliterating the old 'pq'. -------- sanefilename.perl ----- #! /usr/local/bin/perl -w ## author: parv, parv_@yahoo.com ## date: aug 31 2001 ## ## license: free to use as you please w/ credit given ## ## script name: sanefilename.perl ## ## purpose: ## change file names which are not composed of [a-zA-Z0-9-_.] ## characters; optionally, not use [A-Z] ## ## usage: ## sanefilename.perl [-low] file [file2 file3 ...] ## (-low option excludes [A-Z] characters]) use strict; # modules to move & parse file name use File::Basename; use File::Copy; # module to parse option use Getopt::Long qw(:config posix_default require_order); die " \* give file name(s) to change to sane version(s) \n" unless (@ARGV); # check option if names needed to be lowercased my $lowercase = 0; GetOptions('lowercase|lower|low' => \$lowercase) || die " * wrong option given. \n"; # create alpha list to be used as regex in file renaming below my $valid_alpha; if ( $lowercase ) { $valid_alpha = join('', ('a' .. 'z')) } else { $valid_alpha = join('', ('a' .. 'z', 'A' .. 'Z')) } foreach (@ARGV) { my ($old_file,$path) = fileparse($_,''); die "\* destination, $path, is either not a directory or is not writeable, exiting... \n" unless (-d $path || -w $path); unless ( -e $path . $old_file ) { print " - ${path}${old_file} doesn't exist, skipping...\n"; next; } if ( $old_file !~ m#[^\d\Q${valid_alpha}_-.\E]# ) { print " - ok ${path}${old_file} ...\n"; next; } #else #{ my $new_file = $old_file; $new_file =~ tr [A-Z] [a-z] if ($lowercase); # change all the wrong characters to - $new_file =~ s#[^\d\Q${valid_alpha}-_.\E]#-#g; # prefer - to _ $new_file =~ s#(?:\Q_-|-_\E)#-#g; # prefer . to - or _ $new_file =~ s#(?:\Q._|_.|-.|.-\E)#.#g; # minimize the consecutive ocurrance of . - _ to one of each $new_file =~ s#([\Q.-_\E]){2,}#$1#g; # remove end non [${valid_alpha}\d] characters #$new_file =~ s#(?:([^\d${valid_alpha}])$|^$1)##; $new_file =~ s#(?:[^\d${valid_alpha}]$|^[^\d${valid_alpha}])##; if ( $old_file eq $new_file ) { print " # sane name seem to be calculated same as the insane;\n ${path}${old_file} is not moved...\n"; next; } #else #{ print " - ${path}${old_file} -> ${path}${new_file} ... \n"; move("${path}${old_file}","${path}${new_file}") || die "\* couldn't move ${path}${old_file} to ${path}${new_file}: $! \n" ; #} #} } print "...done\n"; -------- sanefilename.perl ----- -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0: 7:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF04437B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by Mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:07:37 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_989GH0XTULZKF5E00RDM" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: Edwin Groothuis , jayyness@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:07:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011127164741.F579@k7.mavetju.org> In-Reply-To: <20011127164741.F579@k7.mavetju.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112703072100.65893@i8k.babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------Boundary-00=_989GH0XTULZKF5E00RDM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 27 November 2001 00:47, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:54:19PM -0500, jayyness@mindspring.com wrote: > > Do any of you know of a script that could be written or possibly existst > > that would search for and replace spaces with underscores? I have a script called "unmsdos" that makes names "unix-friendly" (eliminates spaces as well as leading dashes, ampersands, parentheses, and other cruft. It also invokes my "uncrnl" program to undo CR-NL if it's a text file. Enjoy. BTW, is this worth cleaning up and turning into a port sometime? Opinions welcome. > > What kind of rename/move are you talking about? > > There is, normally, no reason to worry, since you always can use > "mv 'blaat blaat' /some/other/place" without having to worry about > spaces. Well, you can, but *what* a pain. And when do you do things like piping an ls into xargs, it gets the names all wrong. Spaces in file names are totally for the birds. > > If you have to do selections in directories regarding files, it > might be easier to use Midnight Commander or something. > > Edwin -- Brian T. 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charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > Simon J Mudd types: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > I'm still surprised that I'm allowed to install kdelibs-2.2_3 > > > > over kdelibs-2.1.1. That IMHO shouldn't be allowed. > > > I've already addressed why it's allowed, and should continue to be > > > allowed. > > If there are no conflicts it makes sense (using a different PREFIX for > > example). If there are conflicts it doesn't make sense. > > It's not that simple. If I'm upgrading from libfoo.so.1 to > libfoo.so.2, then instaling .2 over .1 means I don't break the > applications that depend on .1. Later, when I delete .1 I'm probably > going to screw up .2. On the other hand, at that time I'll be > reinstalling everything that depends on .1 anyway, so reinstalling .2 > isn't that much of a problem. I understand, but still think a warning is appropriate. As you say forcing the installation of .2, may partially corrupt .1. If this is a library with include files and stuff then it is almost certain that the .1's include.h files have been overwritten. > > What I was getting at here is that it's easy to shoot yourself in the toe > > and _sometimes_ it's IMO too easy. > > > > In the end I don't think we are arguing about content, more about end-user > > (system administrator in this case) presentation of the packaging system. > > Yup. I've agreed that having packages test the plist and warn you if > any of the files already exist would be a good thing. Even for ports, > it'd be a good thing - just a lot harder to do. ok. Thanks. > > > > Those files with different paths aren't affected. > > > > Those files with the same names which differ will effectively wipe out the > > > > older version. this conflict effectively makes the stored package > > > > information wrong and misleading. > > > Yup. That's just one reason for deleting the old version of a package > > > before installing a new one. > > perhaps portupgrade should be a basic part of the port system. that way it > > would be more consistent if I could do a "make upgrade" > > There are two problems with that. One is that it's a stop-gap, waiting > on the libh work. The second is that it would require putting ruby in > the base system. That in itself will generate a lot of resistance. I've seen that ruby is quite large. Perhaps another tool to do the same job would be appropriate. You reasons for not including this _now_ make sense. One thing I like about FreeBSD is that the base system is small. [snip] > You don't need /usr/ports installed to get the "automaticly fetch > dependencies" feature. pkg_add will do the same thing for you. If > you're fetching the packages from a remote site, it will try to fetch > the dependency packages remotely as well. I wasn't aware of this, and yes it is very useful. Ok. I think we finally understand each other even if our points of view are different. Thanks, I'll have to get subscribed to libh. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:19:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lv.raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [194.126.106.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38E237B41C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: Message by Barricade lv.raad.tartu.ee with ESMTP id fAR8JQt24690; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <200111270819.fAR8JQt24690@lv.raad.tartu.ee> Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 27 Nov 01 10:18:46 +0200 From: "Toomas Aas" Organization: Tartu City Government To: chia an , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:18:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: config problem In-reply-to: <20011127074823.8139.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> X-info: Headers changed by Barricade Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi chia! On 26 Nov 01 at 23:48 you wrote: > after startup iam running dmesg |more and there was an > error appear : > config> #di sn0 > Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. > Remove the drivers out of there that you removed from > the kernel. Did you remove the lines or did you just add '#' in front of each line? > this step doesnt work, i hope others can give me > solution!thanks It looks like adding # in front of the lines in kernel.conf doesn't cut it. You have to completely remove the lines. -- Toomas Aas | toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee | http://www.raad.tartu.ee/~toomas/ * Character density: The number of very weird people in the office. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:26:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF8537B7D9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR8QOR46889; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Frost, Stephen C" , Subject: RE: Solution for "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: swap_zone == NULL"? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:24 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c1771d$3344fa40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Frost, Stephen >C >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM >To: 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG' >Cc: Frost, Stephen C >Subject: Solution for "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: swap_zone == NULL"? > > > >Greetings FreeBSD gurus - > >I am brand new to the OS. I test NIC drivers for Intel products and we are >turning towards an emphasized support for FreeBSD. One of my test boxes >produces the following error on bootup: "panic: swap_pager_swap_init: >swap_zone == NULL" > >A quick Google search suggests that this is an issue of the kernel failing >to deal with an abundance of RAM. The test box in question has 8GB of RAM. >Pulling RAM out as a 'workaround' is not an option, as I am to test on these >specifically configured OEM machines. This one is a Dell 6400 quad Zeon >550. > >Suggestions? Patches? Anything? Well first of all you have made one of the cardinal sins of a tester. You have identified a problem, that's good. You have researched it, that's better. You have make a hypothesis, that's excellent. you HAVEN'T tested this hypothesis - that's BAD! Pull some of the RAM out of the server and retest. Make SURE that the problem is gone. Put the RAM back in and make SURE that the problem comes back. Then once you have verified that it's indeed an overabundance of ram, please tell us! Sorry, but nobody likes being sent on wild goose chases, and the problem your reporting could possibly be caused by something else. Be kind to us - there's not many on this list that have such hardware. Also, one last thing, I see by your phone number that your in Portland. There's local FreeBSD folks here that could lend you some help. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:27:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED58137B505 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB343D43 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:27:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:27:44 +0100 (CET) From: Simon J Mudd To: Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <15363.14157.861168.682892@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > There's no reason to upgrade everything it depends > > > on in that case. > > If you want to upgrade portA-1.2.3 -> portA-2.0.1 and the dependency for > > portA-2.0.1 is for a package portB-X and the installed version of portB is > > less than X, then this doesn requires portB to be upgraded. Obviously > > this is the situation where "all hell may break loose" because this may > > require further package upgrades. Ideally the packaging system would > > tell you two things: > > > > (A) you can't do this if other ports depend on the installed > > version of portB > > (B) if you do this you'll need to upgrade other ports which depend > > on portB to ensure that the system stays "stable". > > > > rpm does (A) which is obviously easier, and I'm not aware of a packaging > > system which does (B). > > Ok, FreeBSD does A, assuming the packages database is up to date. What > happens for B is that it installs the old version as well as the new > one. In some cases, this works. In the cases where it doesn't, the > only harm done is that you'll have to reinstall the newer B a second > time. Getting warnings would give you the option of not upgrading A > until you had time to deal with all hell breaking loose. > > This can't be fixed as a general problem because applications - and > hence packages - change names. I.e. - cdrecord has become cdrtools. If > I have cdrecord installed, and install something that wants part of > cdrtools that wasn't in cdrecord, there's currently no way to solve > the problem. There are ways: I think rpm uses an obsoletes tag which implies "during the upgrade" that some package (other than one of the same name with a lower version number) must be removed. Obviously in these cases you have to provide explicit information to the package tools. > > Thus deleting packages doesn't seem to be the problem it's more installing > > is "too easy". > > I *never* expected to hear that said about *anything* associated with > a Unix system. You appear to be misinterpreting my comments here. I love unix's flexibility. In an ideal world a packaging tool isn't important, but in a production machine which you unfortunately _have_ to control and maintain having a system which keeps an eye on what's installed helps a lot. However you need to trust the tool, and currently I don't trust "ports" or pkg_add sufficiently because it doesn't warn me enough. Perhaps I need to do: setenv PORTS_SIMON_WANTS_LOTS_OF_WARNINGS=true cd /usr/ports/.... make install I'll have to work on a patch and send it in... :-) Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:41:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652F237B684 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from tinkles ([144.135.25.69]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNGB3Z00.38K for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:47:59 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-183-13.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.183.13]) by PSMAM01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9k 8374/20088371); 27 Nov 2001 18:41:16 Message-ID: <001101c17720$10a397a0$0e03a8c0@tinkles> From: "Doctox X" To: Subject: need help with high speed serial cards Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:46:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C17773.E1AF7000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C17773.E1AF7000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, not quite sure where to mail this one to... the story is, i have a high speed serial card based on the holtek ht6535 = chip, and i want to enable clkX4 mode. when i enable it on the card, the = com port will not work. currently the only mode that works is clkX1 = which is really quite slow. the instructions that came with the card say = that "if you want to use the CLK x2 or x 4, your software utility must = offer the clock initiation". I've compiled the kernel with the high = speed ports with "flags 0x20000" (dunno if thats right, but LINT said it = enables higher bandwidth or something like that). My question is this: how do i enable clk x 4? thanks in advance X ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C17773.E1AF7000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, not quite sure where to mail this = one=20 to...
 
the story is, i have a high speed = serial card based=20 on the holtek ht6535 chip, and i want to enable clkX4 mode. when i = enable it on=20 the card, the com port will not work. currently the only mode that works = is=20 clkX1 which is really quite slow. the instructions that came with the = card say=20 that "if you want to use the CLK x2 or x 4, your software utility must = offer the=20 clock initiation". I've compiled the kernel with the high speed ports = with=20 "flags 0x20000" (dunno if thats right, but LINT said it enables higher = bandwidth=20 or something like that).
 
My question is this: how do i enable = clk x=20 4?
 
thanks in advance
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C17773.E1AF7000-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:42:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (mail7.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DACD37BAB4 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5439 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 08:42:29 -0000 Received: from pppa10-nas3rack6016.dialinx.net (HELO speedracer) (65.44.204.10) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 08:42:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c1771f$4ae074c0$0acc2c41@speedracer> From: "1Speedracer" <1speedracer@netzero.net> To: Subject: MSI K7N420 Pro (nforce) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:41:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C176EC.FF31D5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C176EC.FF31D5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it possible in freebsd operating system to use the intergrated = graphix of the mx400 geforce 2 chipset from the MSI K7N420 motherboard = or would it not recognize it. I want to buy this board but wanted to = make sure it would work with the intergrated system first. Where could = I find information on this and how to set it up for such a task if = possible? =20 Thank you, 1speedracer@netzero.net ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C176EC.FF31D5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it possible in freebsd operating = system to use=20 the intergrated graphix of the mx400 geforce 2 chipset from the MSI = K7N420=20 motherboard or would it not recognize it.  I want to buy this board = but=20 wanted to make sure it would work with the intergrated system = first.  Where=20 could I find information on this and how to set it up for such a task if = possible? 
 
Thank you,
1speedracer@netzero.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C176EC.FF31D5A0-- ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:46:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F4837B6B2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-007dcwashp294.dialsprint.net ([63.178.90.160] helo=moo.holy.cow) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168dsJ-00006J-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:45:55 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7266250CEF; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:47:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:47:39 -0500 From: parv To: jayyness@mindspring.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files Message-ID: <20011127034739.A42224@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: jayyness@mindspring.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011127030749.A38784@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011127030749.A38784@moo.holy.cow>; from parv_@yahoo.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:07:49AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in message <20011127030749.A38784@moo.holy.cow>, wrote parv thusly... > ... > beware of a bug: this doesn't check if you there is already another > file w/ the same name as the translated one. ... well, given competition, i updated my program to check for duplicates. complete program is here... http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/bin/sanefilename.perl ...and the patch is... --- bin/sanefilename.perl.old Tue Nov 27 03:34:07 2001 +++ bin/sanefilename.perl Tue Nov 27 03:43:38 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ #! /usr/local/bin/perl -w ## author: parv, parv_@yahoo.com -## date: aug 31 2001 +## date: nov 27 2001 ## ## license: free to use as you please w/ credit given ## @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ ## ## usage: ## sanefilename.perl [-low] file [file2 file3 ...] -## (-low option excludes [A-Z] characters]) +## (-low option excludes [A-Z] characters) use strict; @@ -88,10 +88,18 @@ } #else #{ - print " - ${path}${old_file} -> ${path}${new_file} ... \n"; - - move("${path}${old_file}","${path}${new_file}") - || die "\* couldn't move ${path}${old_file} to ${path}${new_file}: $! \n" ; + if ( -e $path . $new_file ) + { + print " \* ${path}${new_file} already exists, skipping ${path}${old_file} ...\n"; + next; + } + #else + #{ + print " - ${path}${old_file} -> ${path}${new_file} ... \n"; + + move("${path}${old_file}","${path}${new_file}") + || die "\* couldn't move ${path}${old_file} to ${path}${new_file}: $! \n" ; + #} #} #} } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:51:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A5A37B42A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAR8pFR46936; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Stephen Hovey" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:51:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c17720$abb7e8e0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011126075714.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: jacks@sage-american.com [mailto:jacks@sage-american.com] >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:57 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Stephen Hovey; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: this spam > > >"...please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the efforts..." > >That kind of talk is offensive to me and is as bad as the spam (which I >just delete and get on with other stuff). OK - so the point of your disagreement is that your going to throw out 500 lines of logical explanation of why not filtering spam at the mailserver is wrong and make a stink over a single sentence that you find offensive. So basically what your admitting here is that you have just about no response to the logical arguments - save the "filtering spam is censorship" argument - and so your going to simply ignore them and focus on a side issue. (the swearing) Thanks for the validation that the technical arguments of why spam filtering should be centralized are right. And note that I was very polite - I did ask "please". >While I've noticed you get on the >"soapbox" a lot (every day) and dictate behavior to people on just about >everything, try to use better language! Just help, without scolding >everyone so much and clean up the talk! ...just another opinion and nothing >personal! > Oh, so I'm now scolding everyone? Once again, this is yet another cheap trick. Your simply trying to build a straw man to knock down. Well knock away, my friend! Spamming does get personal for me, because the company I work at spends money (in the form of my wasted time) for me to clean up after spewers. If you think I enjoy chasing network thieves your nuts. I don't and if someone could invent a device that sent a near-lethal shock through the Internet to anyone sending a spam spew I'd be the first in line to buy one. Then I'd be tenth in line to buy another one because I'd have worn out it's buttons by the time that they got to #9. >I'm beginning to believe your soapboxing is spam in disguise... ...book >sales perhaps? ...hmmm... maybe your ad at the footer of very message makes >me think that...? > If it was then I should be attacking you every chance I get since you've shown that you are willing to draw attention to my sig in your response. In case you want to know I happen to be proud of the book which is why I list it in my sig. Would you rather have me dump a big abstract of it onto the list once a month? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 0:51:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11E737B6D7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by unicorn.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A16DB3148; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:51:35 +0100 (CET) To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) References: <3C02BE71.26378.46004AC@localhost> From: Simon J Mudd Date: 27 Nov 2001 09:51:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: erahmig@minn.net's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:13:39 +0000 (UTC)" Message-ID: <86k7wck354.fsf@unicorn.ea4els.ampr.org> Lines: 65 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Eric, erahmig@minn.net ("Eric Rahmig") writes: > I haven't seen any replies to your email so I'll give you my input in > the hopes it may be helpful. Thanks, although looking down at your answer our problems are really rather different. I seem to have installed and upgraded packages in such a way that I've left my system rather "unstable". > I recently experienced a similar problem. I no longer remember the > exact order of events leading up to the problem. I do remember that > one of the things I did was to install the gv port. > > The message I was getting was: > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpng.so.5" not found > > I double checked /usr/local/lib and, sure enough, libpng.so.5 was > there. The problem seemed to be limited to printing postscript (via > gs and magicfilter in my case). Text printed just fine. > > It turns out that somehow the permissions on the /var/run directory > had been changed from 755 to 750. Since gs runs as > daemon:daemon when invoked from an lpd input filter the dynamic > loader was unable to read the "hints" files in /var/run and so printed > the "libpng.so.5 not found" message. > > I figured this out by modifying the lpd input filter. Instead of having it > invoke gs directly I had it call a shell script. The script used the > truss command to run gs and print all the system calls it made. > By scanning this output I was able to see a "permission denied" > error when trying to read the "hints" files in /var/run. > > Once I did chmod 755 /var/run postscript printing started working > again. That's interesting: I'm running -STABLE and my /var/run has the following permissions: drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 27 nov 03:04 /var/run I assume these permissions are correct and wonder how you managed to modify your permissions. My situation is quite different: I've been playing with FreeBSD now for about 18months, installing packages and ports and stuff like that. I'd somehow managed to upgrade a dependent package (libpng) so that the package which depended on it (gv) didn't work. If you've been following my comments about this, I was being a little critical about how easy it is to do this, when I would have preferred a little bit of warning. Kris and Mike both seem convinced that I should be allowed to shoot myself in the foot, and that a safety catch is not required. So it comes down to different filosophies, different experiencies with package managers on other Oses, or maybe that the documentation is not careful enough in explaining these potential pitfalls. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:13:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AE337B762 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id fAR9C6931415; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:12:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:12:06 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Paul Blazejowski Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE (ipfw core dump). Message-ID: <20011127111206.C22667@sunbay.com> References: <20011123191158.6543B22982@mail.blazebox.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011123191158.6543B22982@mail.blazebox.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 23, 2001 at 02:13:29PM -0500, Paul Blazejowski wrote: > Hello all, > > I have this problem with new kernel on 4.4-STABLE and ipfw... > When new kernel is booted i get lots of these messages: > Invalid argument ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD) > > When ipfw is invoked eg. when i run ipfw it results in core being dumped and > the process is killed.My old kernel works just fine...dmesg outputs: > [...] > What could be causing ipfw to do this? is there anything i should do?Any fixes? > Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.Thank you. > Yeah, the last change to ipfw requires you to recompile both kernel and userland ipfw(8). A full ``make world'' would be in order. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:17: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC63337B496 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9Gh702583; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:16:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <001b01c17724$3c3b6ce0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: References: <000101c17714$2abf0ea0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:16:42 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted writes: > I mainly wanted to emphasize that while DAT is > fine for light use, it won't stand up to a tape > cassette's worth of data totally rewritten every > night for a year. You have to be a little careful > when recommending solutions to note the environment > they work in. I think my suggestions match the most likely FreeBSD production environments. Additionally, I'm not convinced that DATs are as fragile as you imply. > It depends on the drive - on the Exabyte 8mm > drives it certainly was. On the others, not so much. I've had lots of trouble with 8mm drives, but none with 4mm (DAT) drives. Are you sure you've had problems with the latter, or are you just grouping both types of drives together? As I recall, 4mm drives have a much better reputation for reliability than 8mm drives, and my own experience on both types of drive is congruent with that reputation. > It would suck mightily if you had 3 years of > backup tape saved up, all hardware compressed, and > you replaced the tape drive and found all old tapes > to be unreadable. I've never heard of anyone restoring three years of backups. In fact, I'd guess that about 95% of all file restorations are from the most recent backup, and virtually nothing ever needs to go back more than two or three days. Anything three years old is an archive, not a backup. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:18:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AC137B440 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9Ij702588 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:18:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <002201c17724$84043200$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Question List" References: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org> <20011126172050.A63285@luke.immure.com> Subject: Re: Softupdates Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:18:45 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bob writes: > BTW, the performance on SCSI disks doesn't seem > to be nearly as adversly affected by disabling > write caching (perhaps due to their higher-level > command interface, esp. command tag queuing). I seem to recall that SCSI disk drives and controllers are more likely to have on-board transparent write caching, which would speed them up considerably. On those rare occasions where this is not completely transparent, there can be serious problems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:22:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns.uh.ru (ns.uh.ru [62.118.252.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ECD37B78C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (ppp57.yaroslavl.ru [217.15.128.57]) by ns.uh.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAR9JXB36051 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:19:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from volax@uh.ru) Message-Id: <200111270919.fAR9JXB36051@ns.uh.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Alexander S. Volchenkov" Reply-To: volax@uh.ru Organization: Superbmarket To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pppd active-filter question Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:22:38 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All! I've got an interesting problem. My pppd started with demand option and sometimes it brings up phone line with no network activity. I'm tried to recognize this but I can't do it with tcpdump - open connection longs too small amount of time. My modem keeps connection alive for 3 minutes (idle 180) and this is not good. I suppose this happens because of DNS updates. I'm trying to start pppd with option: active-filter 'not (src port 53)' to disable dns demand dialing, but starting pppd causing error message: pppd[2073]: Couldn't set active-filter in kernel: Inappropriate ioctl for device What does it mean? How can i set pppd active-filter? Thanks! -- Alexander S. Volchenkov mailto:volax@uh.ru http://www.uh.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:26:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A5F37B7AE for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9Q5702605; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:26:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <003701c17725$8abc5c20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:26:04 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Based on what I've read here and elsewhere, I'll probably leave the swap at 800 MB for now. I'd have to backup, recreate, and restore one of the filesystems (probably /usr) to make more space for a bigger swap partition, and I'd prefer not to undertake that until I'm comfortable with my backup procedures. If I understand you and others correctly, as long as all processes can be contained in RAM, swap space will never be used at all--and even if they cannot be contained in RAM, as long as RAM + swap is enough, there should be no problem (?). As for panic dumps, my view is that any system that crashes often enough to justify worrying about allocating space to collect the dumps is not ready for prime time, and has no place in a production environment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Meyer" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 07:11 Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size > Anthony Atkielski types: > > Since memory isn't very expensive these days, I'm thinking of adding more RAM to > > my FreeBSD machine; it has 256 MB, but I was thinking of going to 1 GB, which is > > the capacity of this machine. Currently, I have a 800 MB swap partition (or is > > it a slice?--I know it's not a filesystem) defined. > > It's a partition. Slices are MS-DOS things. Partitions are BSD things. > > > Is this enough for 1 GB of RAM? > > How much ram you have isn't the critical question. The critical > question is how much virtual space you need. If you need 800MB of > virtual and have 1Gig of real, you need 0 swap. > > > Is there any kind of strong correlation between RAM size and swap file > > size that I have to be concerned about? > > There are two: 1) you need at least RAM size + 64K to get a dump. 2) > The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x > ram size. > > > Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when RAM is exhausted, or does it > > have to use the swap file all the time (as in a one-to-one VM > > mapping scheme)? > > Neither. It doesn't do a ono-to-one VM scheme, but the system is > opportunistic about putting things on swap and tagging the page as > "free" if it can. > > > If the swap file is of less than optimal size, what happens? > > Things are less than optimal. :-) > > > I looked at the swapinfo command and it shows 0% of the swap file used (the > > system is not heavily loaded by any measure). > > In your situation, there are three reasonable alternatives: > > 1) Remove the swap entirely. While there's been some work recently to > deal with being out of virtual better, but I'm not sure I trust > it. After all, the flip side of RAM being cheap is that disk is > also cheap. > > 2) Leave swap as it is. You can then use paging activity as a warning > that you need RAM - or paging space - as system usage picks up. > > 3) Grow swap to 1Gig + 64K. That way you can get crash dumps. Oh yeah > - this has to be on a *single* swap partition. > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:34:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A782937B7D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 77034 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 09:34:26 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.24098.8617.782371@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:34:26 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size In-Reply-To: <003701c17725$8abc5c20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org> <003701c17725$8abc5c20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Context recovered from top posting. Anthony Atkielski types: > From: "Mike Meyer" > > Anthony Atkielski types: > > > Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when RAM is exhausted, or does it > > > have to use the swap file all the time (as in a one-to-one VM > > > mapping scheme)? > > Neither. It doesn't do a ono-to-one VM scheme, but the system is > > opportunistic about putting things on swap and tagging the page as > > "free" if it can. > If I understand you and others correctly, as long as all processes > can be contained in RAM, swap space will never be used at all No, that's not the case, and I didn't say that was the case. Please see the FAQ, section 13, question 1, for more information on that. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:50:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-51.outblaze.com [205.158.62.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0A0B37C289 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13000 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Nov 2001 09:40:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20011127094024.12990.qmail@mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com for [unknown, 200.52.160.2] via web-mailer on Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:40:21 +0800 From: kalolo@mail.com To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:40:21 +0800 Subject: Information about mounting a ntfs partition Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a problem I just want to know how to mount a NTFS partition on Freebsd 4.4 Thaks for your time, and ill be waiting your response.. ARRIBA BSD!!! -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:50:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE8037C29D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9lo702676; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <006601c17728$944bb030$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15362.23055.336143.894625@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: What is the best secure_level setting? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:50 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike writes: > Once you turn it up to 1, you can't install a > new kernel or load kernel modules. Yes, I noticed the schg flag on /kernel. But I can modify rc.conf to set the level lower and then reboot to make kernel modifications, right? > Things that can be reached from the internet > are set to 3. System things on them don't > change very often, so this isn't much of an > inconvenience. Well, my system can be reached via SMTP, but that's it for the time being. However, since I am trying to get used to FreeBSD as it would run in a production environment, I wanted to run with the highest possible security level just to become familiar with whatever restrictions this imposes. I've been running with the level set to 3 for a while now and I haven't noticed any major awkwardness in running the system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:50:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF4637C286 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:40:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9eC702648; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:40:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <005c01c17727$83766990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Tony Landells" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <200111270229.NAA19877@tungsten.austclear.com.au> Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:40:01 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony writes: > Did you do a "ps" listing while you were having > problems to check that the running syslogd had > the command line you expected? Yup. Looked fine. > If it looks fine, you may want to use the "-d" > argument as well (running the command by hand) > and shoot a couple of syslog messages from > somewhere else that match your address restriction, > and see what syslogd says it's doing with it. Unfortunately, the only other machine on the LAN is a WinNT machine, and I have no idea how to generate syslog messages from that, or even if it is possible to do so. I guess I'm probably being overcautious anyway, since nothing enters the LAN from the outside. Hmm ... let me just double-check to make sure I've got that port blocked! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:53:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D306B37C2C4 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAR9j2702670; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <006101c17728$2fdfae30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org><003701c17725$8abc5c20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15363.24098.8617.782371@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:01 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The FAQ says: "Note that while FreeBSD is proactive in this regard [swapping pages out in anticipation of a need for memory], it does not arbitrarily decide to swap pages when the system is truly idle." As far as I can tell, my lightly loaded system never uses the swap file at all: freebie# swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/ad0s1b 819072 0 819072 0% Interleaved So it would appear that the swap file is not touched below some threshold of system activity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Meyer" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:34 Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size > [Context recovered from top posting. > > Anthony Atkielski types: > > From: "Mike Meyer" > > > Anthony Atkielski types: > > > > Does FreeBSD resort to swap only when RAM is exhausted, or does it > > > > have to use the swap file all the time (as in a one-to-one VM > > > > mapping scheme)? > > > Neither. It doesn't do a ono-to-one VM scheme, but the system is > > > opportunistic about putting things on swap and tagging the page as > > > "free" if it can. > > If I understand you and others correctly, as long as all processes > > can be contained in RAM, swap space will never be used at all > > No, that's not the case, and I didn't say that was the case. Please > see the FAQ, section 13, question 1, for more information on that. > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:57:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from argyre.fr.uu.net (mail.fr.uu.net [194.98.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3EC37C798 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.11.39.71] ([213.11.39.71]) by argyre.fr.uu.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA02323 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:03:33 +0100 (MET) From: annuaire@annuairefrancais.com Message-Id: <200111271003.LAA02323@argyre.fr.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:55:50 +0100 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Info : L'Annuaire Francais par Departement facilite vos recherches Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bonjour, L'annuaire Francais Par departement http://www.annuairefrancais.com integre desormais un moteur de recherche pour affiner vos recherches sur le web. 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L'adresse d'inscription est desormais http://inscrip.annuairefrancais.com Pour toutes suggestions contactez par mail : direction : laurent@annuairefrancais.com validation : validation@annuairefrancais.com publicite : publicite@annuairefrancais.com partenariat : partenariat@annuairefrancais.com INFORMATIONS : retrait de notre liste d'info : http://supressinfo.annuairefrancais.com (L'annuaire francais envoi 2 infos par an) L'annuaire Francais 119 Rue des Pyrenees 75020 PARIS +33 (0)1 43 67 00 74 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 1:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from syndicate.tek-shop.com (tek-shop.com [63.206.17.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775DA37C7B0 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (adsl-64-160-145-191.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.160.145.191]) by syndicate.tek-shop.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id fAR9vh951708 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@tek-shop.com) Message-Id: <200111270957.fAR9vh951708@syndicate.tek-shop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Reply-To: eric@tek-shop.com Organization: TekShop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: xfree86 version question Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:53:05 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm running 4.4 release, and I installed (according to the package db) XFree86-4.0.6_6 along with some font packs and other related x stuff. The weird thing is my XF86Config file seems to be formatted like a version 3 config file (which has never existed on this machine). Things like the number of mouse buttons (Buttons 5 vs. Option Buttons 5) and the loading of Font Modules and stuff. Basically, none of the config file's options from X version 4 can be used. I have to use version 3's. Anybody know how this happened? Or is this normal. thanks eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2: 5:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26EA37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46F2466B27; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:05:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:05:41 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: chia an Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cant compile kernel Message-ID: <20011127020540.A25429@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <000001c17715$b0759900$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127074519.86171.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011127074519.86171.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com>; from alan_qc@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:45:19PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:45:19PM -0800, chia an wrote: > i cant compile my kernel, there wan an error occur : >=20 > ../../conf/ldscript.i386:130 invalid assignment to > location counter > **Error code 1 >=20 >=20 > how to solve it? Give us some context so we know what the heck you're talking about. Kris P.S. 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L'adresse d'inscription est desormais http://inscrip.annuairefrancais.com Pour toutes suggestions contactez par mail : direction : laurent@annuairefrancais.com validation : validation@annuairefrancais.com publicite : publicite@annuairefrancais.com partenariat : partenariat@annuairefrancais.com INFORMATIONS : retrait de notre liste d'info : http://supressinfo.annuairefrancais.com (L'annuaire francais envoi 2 infos par an) L'annuaire Francais 119 Rue des Pyrenees 75020 PARIS +33 (0)1 43 67 00 74 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:27: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E75C337B6B7 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from arvi.dik.cvut.cz (HELO arvi) (147.32.108.253) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 10:27:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c1772e$0c2b4d90$fd6c2093@arvi> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Radek_V=E1clav=EDk?= To: References: <013301c176cd$bd523860$fd6c2093@arvi> <20011126164841.B418@gohan.cjclark.org> Subject: Re: IPFW rules Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:26:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry I didn't specify my question more accurately. Of course I have used dummynet and I have also found some rules on the Internet. But unfortunaletyl none of them worked. Something like this for example: ipfw add queue 1 ip from any to 10.1.2.0/24 ipfw queue 1 config weight 5 pipe 2 mask dst-ip 0x000000ff ipfw pipe 2 config bw 300Kbit/s Doesn't work thow... So what I am asking for is not theory, but I am asking someone, to whom it actually works! I have been trying tons of different possibilities, but didn't get the right one.. I believe, someone had to face this problem before, so please help. I really don't know what to do... Thanks. [:aRVi:] RadekVaclavik@yahoo.com ICQ: 56909029 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Radek Václavík" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: IPFW rules > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:34PM +0100, Radek Václavík wrote: > [snip] > > > My problem is this one: I have a network, which has a relatively slow > > connection out to the world. And due to a lots of ftp traffic, other > > services (like ssh, telnet, vnc..etc) are getting very slow because of high > > ping and packet loss. Therefore, I would like to set priority to packets at > > different ports (for the firewall to handle these packets prior to the other > > ones - like ftp). And this is it. How to create rule for this? > > I don't want to strictly restrict the bandwitch for ftp (to have full use of > > the line for ftp when not using the other services). And even if I'd decide > > to do so (rules for this work fine), I don't know, what ports to restrict > > ( 2o only doesn't work, cause a lot of users download from different ftp > > ports). > > Look at dummynet(4) and 'pipe' rules in ipfw(8). But catching the ftp > data connections with the rules is non-trivial. I do not believe that > there is any simple functionality for this built into any tools. > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:33:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1E37B432 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:33:22 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C37@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tips for high-load production server Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:33:21 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, We're using FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE for our Squid proxy/cache servers with WCCP + transparent proxying and the load is quite high during the day. What tips can you suggest to further optimize the system? I'm using SOFTUPDATES for all cache and logging disks with `noatime' option when mounting. --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:36: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69E037C05D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fARAZhR47650; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: RE: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:35:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c1772f$43dcda00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001b01c17724$3c3b6ce0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@freebie.atkielski.com] >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:17 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > > >Ted writes: > >> I mainly wanted to emphasize that while DAT is >> fine for light use, it won't stand up to a tape >> cassette's worth of data totally rewritten every >> night for a year. You have to be a little careful >> when recommending solutions to note the environment >> they work in. > >I think my suggestions match the most likely FreeBSD production environments. >Additionally, I'm not convinced that DATs are as fragile as you imply. > you really have to put the described environment in before making these sorts of statements. All tape drives are mechanical systems and all mechanical systems are subject to wear. They all have a finite lifetime. In short, they are DESIGNED to wear. You call a tape drive wearing out fragile?!?! This is normal! It's only abnormal if the drive wears faster than designed. Anyone running tape drives, or printers, or any kind of other mechanical device regularly in a higher capacity production environment must plan the lifespan and replacement cycle of the system and is going to be aware of their production environments wear demands. >> It depends on the drive - on the Exabyte 8mm >> drives it certainly was. On the others, not so much. > >I've had lots of trouble with 8mm drives, but none with 4mm (DAT) >drives. Are >you sure you've had problems with the latter, or are you just grouping both >types of drives together? I've had problems with both. In fact, I've not seen any other 8mm drives than Exabyte, or OEM'd Exabyte. Many of the DAT drives I've dealt with have been the 4mm jobs. As I recall, 4mm drives have a much >better reputation >for reliability than 8mm drives, and my own experience on both types >of drive is >congruent with that reputation. > 4mm drives originally wern't used as often in high-production environments than 8mm because they held less data, because the 8mm drives had been around longer, and because originally they were more cheaply made. >> It would suck mightily if you had 3 years of >> backup tape saved up, all hardware compressed, and >> you replaced the tape drive and found all old tapes >> to be unreadable. > >I've never heard of anyone restoring three years of backups. In >fact, I'd guess >that about 95% of all file restorations are from the most recent backup, and >virtually nothing ever needs to go back more than two or three days. > Anything >three years old is an archive, not a backup. > And if you have never had to go back and find ONE file from 3 years ago (or longer) then I doubt you will have worked in the kind of higher-capacity production environments that I'm talking about. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:39:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe24.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B66A37B82B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:39:23 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [216.228.133.13] Reply-To: "default" From: "default" To: "FreeBSD-Questions" Subject: Stupid question about VI Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:39:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 10:39:23.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[C71EFE70:01C1772F] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Months ago, I ctrl-c'ed out of a vi session I was doing, and ever since, I've been recieving e-mails about the recovered vi session whenever I reboot the machine. Now the emails are not a problem, I can see that they'd come in handy every once in awhile. What I'd like to know, is how can I remove that recovered session from memory without changing the file that I was editing? I probably ctrl-c'ed out (can't remember why) and then went back and edited the file until I was satisfied. But vi still has whatever I was working on at the time saved ... I would just like to remove this and keep what I currently have... Anybody know how to do this? :) Thanks, Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:46:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bdg.centrin.net.id (DialupBdg244-223.centrin.net.id [202.146.244.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6626437B41E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by bdg.centrin.net.id (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B6781D5BA; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:54:10 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:54:10 +0700 From: budsz To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: margermaster Message-ID: <20011127175410.A6182@bdg.centrin.net.id> Reply-To: budsz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Fingerprint: A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304 X-Pub-keys: http://bdg.centrin.net.id/~budsan02/pubkey.txt X-Verify: MD5 (pubkey.txt) = 999274d3ae770caf0d77ce5796ed201e X-Uptime: 5:43PM up 1:19, 7 users, load averages: 0.70, 0.22, 0.22 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Organization: Kumprang X-Provide: Warnet & Game Network X-Address: Melong No 29 Bandung 40261 West Java Indonesia Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've following the instruction in http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html but I didn't find instruction for margermaster, it's needed...? i just copy in /var/tmp/root/etc to /etc (ofcource after command # make DESTDIR=/var/tmp/root distrib-dirs distribution) it's true...? and if I do #make world it's same with #make builtworld & #make installworld ? TIA -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 2:59:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A96837B41D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23621; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:59:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3C037213.6020509@owt.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:59:31 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: default Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Stupid question about VI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG default wrote: > Hi, > > Months ago, I ctrl-c'ed out of a vi session I was doing, and ever since, > I've been recieving e-mails about the recovered vi session whenever I reboot > the machine. Now the emails are not a problem, I can see that they'd come in > handy every once in awhile. > > What I'd like to know, is how can I remove that recovered session from > memory without changing the file that I was editing? I probably ctrl-c'ed > out (can't remember why) and then went back and edited the file until I was > satisfied. But vi still has whatever I was working on at the time saved ... > I would just like to remove this and keep what I currently have... > > Anybody know how to do this? :) Look at "man vi" and then the option "-r". You can also look at ":h" and then follow the viusage. Kent > > Thanks, > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3: 7:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC6537B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9542D2EFEB for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:07:09 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARB91p14386 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:09:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fARB90V14378; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:09:00 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <011e01c1772a$aca34ec0$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "budsz" Cc: References: <20011127175410.A6182@bdg.centrin.net.id> Subject: Re: margermaster Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:02:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: budsz Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:52 PM Subject: margermaster > I've following the instruction in > http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html > but I didn't find instruction for margermaster, it's needed...? i just > copy in /var/tmp/root/etc to /etc (ofcource after command > # make DESTDIR=/var/tmp/root distrib-dirs distribution) it's true...? > and if I do #make world it's same with #make builtworld & #make > installworld ? > I usualy call "mergemaster -a" after "make installworld", then I run Perl-script, which removes emty directories from /var/tmp/temproot. After this I check differences between /etc and /var/tmp/temproot/etc (I patched some file in /etc, so I have to manualy chek difference). I don't think that it's good to just to copy /var/tmp/temproot/etc to /etc, because you know nothing about changes in /etc scripts and configuration files. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3: 9:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from purveyor6.Dresdnerbank.de (purveyor6.DresdnerBank.de [193.194.7.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343F137B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ffz00egp.wwz0me.mail.dresdner.net (unverified) by purveyor6.Dresdnerbank.de (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:09:16 +0100 Received: by ffz00egp.wwz0me.mail.dresdner.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:09:15 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Koeller, Manfred" To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Download via http Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:09:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, can anyone tell me where to download the complete 5 CD edition of FreeBSD 4.4 via http as I cannot connect to ftp from here? Thanks a lot and bibibi Manfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:10:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E29537B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550AF2F075 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:10:04 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARBBuR14407 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:11:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fARBBtV14399; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:11:55 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <013201c1772b$15230440$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "chia an" Cc: References: <20011127074823.8139.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: config problem Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:05:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: chia an Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:48 AM Subject: config problem > suggest you make a backup copy of kernel.conf first. > Then when you reboot the next time you shouldn't see > any problems.) > > this step doesnt work, i hope others can give me > solution!thanks > This _should_ work, you can simply delete /boot/kernel.conf, and configure what you need in the kernel configuration file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:13:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5319537B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from claycross.demon.co.uk ([194.222.107.197] helo=mail.claycrossbs.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 168gB6-0000Sv-0C; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:28 +0000 Received: from netops (netops.claycrossbs.co.uk [192.3.6.101]) by mail.claycrossbs.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7002F32A33; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:37 +0000 (GMT) From: "Simon Griffiths" To: , Subject: RE: Tips for high-load production server Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:13 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C37@apmail.dagupan.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > Hi, > > We're using FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE for our Squid proxy/cache servers > with WCCP + > transparent proxying and the load is quite high during the day. What tips > can you suggest to further optimize the system? I'm using SOFTUPDATES for > all cache and logging disks with `noatime' option when mounting. > Take a look at tuning(7) man page and follow on from there. > --- > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph HTH, Si. -- Simon Griffiths Systems Administrator - Clay Cross Building Society Tel:+44(0)1246 862120 - Fax: +44(0)1246 250397 -- "If you give a million monkeys root access to your systems, they sure as hell aren't going to be writing any Shakespeare..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:15:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E85937B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01742F069 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:15:16 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARBH9j14465 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:17:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fARBH8V14457; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:17:08 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <014b01c1772b$cf83b960$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "chia an" Cc: References: <20011127073655.24137.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: running stable Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:10:59 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: chia an Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: running stable > to all bsd_users, please give ur hand to solve my > problem, > 1.i dont know how to make my freebsd become stable, so > i get source from my friend and copy into /usr/src, Check /usr/share/examples/cvsup/, there are examples for CVSup, there is also supfile for upgrading to STABLE branch, after CVSuping FreeBSD, check if you CVSuped STABLE branch (check version in the /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh file) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:20:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pophost.wldelft.nl (sunray.wldelft.nl [145.9.132.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624F237B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by pophost.wldelft.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3vc) id MAA15605 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:20:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from logchl (logch-l [145.9.222.37]) by pophost.wldelft.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14735; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:20:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <015301c17735$5aa52930$25de0991@wldelft.nl> Reply-To: "Leroy van Logchem" From: "Leroy van Logchem" To: "Simon Griffiths" , , References: Subject: Re: Tips for high-load production server Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:19:17 +0100 Organization: WL | delft hydraulics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > We're using FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE for our Squid proxy/cache servers > > with WCCP + > > transparent proxying and the load is quite high during the day. Use scsi stripes,add ram and configure squid to discard large files - so those are handled trough the nic and not via diskio. (Will cost more bandwidth ) Disable any service which doesnt have to run. Goodluck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:22:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857C437B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D392EF72 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:22:37 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARBOUW14532 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:24:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fARBOTV14524; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:24:29 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <01e701c1772c$d62ca140$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "midrash midrash" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Xserver Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:18:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: midrash midrash Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:41 AM Subject: Xserver > my x server is not loading kde when i start it. i already have a .xsession > and .xinitrc. attached is a copy of .xsession-errors. im on 4.4-release > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Did you run KDE under root? Give us more information how did you run X, KDE and under which user. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:23:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EFA37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AABC66BD5; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:23:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:23:25 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tips for high-load production server Message-ID: <20011127032325.A26650@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C37@apmail.dagupan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C37@apmail.dagupan.com>; from francisv@dagupan.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 06:33:21PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 06:33:21PM +0800, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: > Hi, >=20 > We're using FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE for our Squid proxy/cache servers with WCC= P + > transparent proxying and the load is quite high during the day. What tips > can you suggest to further optimize the system? I'm using SOFTUPDATES for > all cache and logging disks with `noatime' option when mounting. Have you read man 7 tuning? Kris --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A3etWry0BWjoQKURAvGVAKDozkGi6u+1EDsZVz6Ts2bfa1DCegCeLZFC Emdmvw9MF3mJqLyO1pipQ/0= =eFqY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:26:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF3837B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:26:29 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C3B@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Tips for high-load production server Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:26:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I've read it. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Kennaway [mailto:kris@obsecurity.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:23 PM To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tips for high-load production server On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 06:33:21PM +0800, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: > Hi, > > We're using FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE for our Squid proxy/cache servers with WCCP + > transparent proxying and the load is quite high during the day. What tips > can you suggest to further optimize the system? I'm using SOFTUPDATES for > all cache and logging disks with `noatime' option when mounting. Have you read man 7 tuning? Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:26:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wiprom2mx2.wipro.com (wiprom2mx2.wipro.com [203.197.164.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC2E37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from m2vwall3.wipro.com (m2vwall3.wipro.com [164.164.29.237]) by wiprom2mx2.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fARBQ8f08342 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:56:09 +0530 (IST) Received: from 192.168.2.18 by m2vwall3.wipro.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:55:48 +0530 Received: from Gautham ([192.168.2.215]) by sarovar.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNGIF600.CDT; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:55:54 +0530 Message-ID: <003201c177a7$9b507670$d702a8c0@Gautham> From: "Gautham Ganapathy" To: "Koeller Manfred" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions @ FreeBSD.org" References: Subject: Re: Download via http Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:57:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPartTM-000-30eff640-e325-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-30eff640-e325-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/freebsd/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.4/ http://www.planetmirror.com/pub ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koeller, Manfred" To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: Download via http > Hi folks, > > can anyone tell me where to download the complete 5 CD edition of FreeBSD > 4.4 via http as I cannot connect to ftp from here? > > Thanks a lot and bibibi > > > Manfred > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ------=_NextPartTM-000-30eff640-e325-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5 Content-Type: text/plain; name="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Wipro and/or its Customers and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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In such cases, please notify us immediately at mailto:mailadmin@wipro.com and delete this mail from your records. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPartTM-000-30eff640-e325-11d5-a216-0000e22173f5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:27:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E8B37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168gOa-0002oY-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:27:24 +0100 Received: from pd9e492c6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([217.228.146.198] helo=there) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 168g8h-0001hF-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:10:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert Klein Reply-To: RoKlein@roklein.de Organization: roklein.de To: "default" Subject: Re: Stupid question about VI Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:12:21 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: Cc: "FreeBSD-Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi "default", to get rid of the not yet recovered session, start vi, do a ":recover file" and "q!" quit the editor without writing. Problem solved. Regards, Robert > What I'd like to know, is how can I remove that recovered session > from memory without changing the file that I was editing? I > probably ctrl-c'ed out (can't remember why) and then went back and > edited the file until I was satisfied. But vi still has whatever I > was working on at the time saved ... I would just like to remove > this and keep what I currently have... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 3:44:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from Server3.1bigred.com (server3.1bigred.com [206.239.81.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C5837B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xanthium (unverified [203.166.27.178]) by Server3.1bigred.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.193) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:37:21 -0500 From: "Brandon Peyton" To: Subject: pop-before-smtp on fbsd4.4 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:40:39 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This is primarly for those who are running postfix on freebsd... I'm trying to get pop-before-smtp configured properly to allow authorized pop users to send. I'm running postfix on fbsd 4.4 Now to start: yittrium# postconf -n command_directory = /usr/local/sbin daemon_directory = /usr/local/libexec/postfix debug_peer_level = 2 default_privs = nobody mail_owner = postfix mail_spool_directory = /var/mail mydomain = var-tech.net myhostname = yittrium.var-tech.net mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, check_client_access hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp, check_relay_domains pop-before-smtp started : root 40303 ... /usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/sbin/pop-before-smtp ==Is qpopper logging: yes Nov 27 21:19:15 yittrium qpopper[40090]: Stats: admin 0 0 0 0 xanthium.var-tech.net 203.166.27.178 ==yittrium# postmap -q 203.166.27.178 hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp postmap: fatal: open database /usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp.db: Invalid argument ==In /var/log/messages Nov 27 21:49:12 yittrium postfix/smtpd[40345]: fatal: open database /usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp.db: Invalid argument ==In /var/log/maillog Nov 27 21:48:08 yittrium postfix/smtpd[40342]: fatal: open database /usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp.db: Invalid argument Nov 27 21:48:09 yittrium postfix/master[33314]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 40342 exit status 1 Nov 27 21:48:09 yittrium postfix/master[33314]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling yittrium# pwd /usr/local/etc/postfix yittrium# ll -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20610 Nov 27 21:32 main.cf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20378 Nov 20 16:49 main.cf.bak -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 4605 Nov 16 13:56 master.cf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 189 Nov 24 11:33 mysql_auth.cf -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Nov 24 11:16 pop-before-smtp.db -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6343 Nov 16 13:56 postfix-script A few things to clarify, all files eg pop-before-smtp.init has been changed to look at /usr/local/etc/postfix/pop-before-smtp. The reason I know this, is if I delete the file and restart pop-before-smtp it adds a blank file into the correct dir. Any suggestions? Thanks Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 4: 4:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2414637B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7022F03C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:04:04 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARC5uH14723 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:05:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fARC5uV14719 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:05:56 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <027f01c17732$a0af55c0$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: References: <200111270919.fAR9JXB36051@ns.uh.ru> Subject: Re: pppd active-filter question Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:59:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander S. Volchenkov Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: pppd active-filter question > I've got an interesting problem. My pppd started with demand option and > sometimes it brings up phone line with no network activity. I'm tried to > recognize this but I can't do it with tcpdump - open connection longs too > small amount of time. My modem keeps connection alive for 3 minutes (idle > 180) and this is not good. I suppose this happens because of DNS updates. I'm > trying to start pppd with option: > > active-filter 'not (src port 53)' > > to disable dns demand dialing, but starting pppd causing error message: > > pppd[2073]: Couldn't set active-filter in kernel: Inappropriate ioctl for > device > > What does it mean? How can i set pppd active-filter? > Did you enable PPP_FILTER option in your kernel? Also note following from the pppd(8) manual page: active-filter filter-expression This option only available if both the kernel and pppd were compiled with PPP_FILTER defined. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 4:31:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8773737B41C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (151.24.174.15) by smtp3.libero.it (6.0.032) id 3BD43E2500AF5548 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:30:52 +0100 From: "Enzo Pavoni" <_epavoni@libero.it> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: <20011127123054.8773737B41C@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:30:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List 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for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 04:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 80085 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 12:48:27 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.35739.758951.225353@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:48:27 -0600 To: Simon J Mudd Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gv port builds but fails - needing libpng.so.4 (?) In-Reply-To: <2909488@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon J Mudd types: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > This can't be fixed as a general problem because applications - and > > hence packages - change names. I.e. - cdrecord has become cdrtools. If > > I have cdrecord installed, and install something that wants part of > > cdrtools that wasn't in cdrecord, there's currently no way to solve > > the problem. > There are ways: I think rpm uses an obsoletes tag which implies "during > the upgrade" that some package (other than one of the same name with a > lower version number) must be removed. Obviously in these cases you have > to provide explicit information to the package tools. That's not really any better than what FreeBSD has for this. > > > Thus deleting packages doesn't seem to be the problem it's more installing > > > is "too easy". > > I *never* expected to hear that said about *anything* associated with > > a Unix system. > You appear to be misinterpreting my comments here. I don't think I am. I was being - slightly - sarcastic. The ports system has been called a sysadmins wet dream, and I'm not about to argue with that. But after all the whining about "it's to hard to ...", it's certainly a change to hear something called "too easy". > However you need to trust the tool, and currently I don't trust "ports" or > pkg_add sufficiently because it doesn't warn me enough. Perhaps I need to > do: > > setenv PORTS_SIMON_WANTS_LOTS_OF_WARNINGS=true > cd /usr/ports/.... > make install > > I'll have to work on a patch and send it in... :-) You may be kidding, but I'd certainly like to see something added to issue a warning. Remember, it needs to go in two places - pkg_add and "make install" in the ports system. pkg_add should be straightforward. "make install" might be. And after you've practiced on those two, you can do it for libh :-). http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. 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I can block any email or domain.... and have a few offensive sites blocked. Of course. many are phoney addresses and doing it takes up time and an unending war... I'd be more concerned about those sending out viruses and worms... At 11:52 PM 11.26.2001 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: jacks@sage-american.com [mailto:jacks@sage-american.com] >>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:23 AM >>To: Stephen Hovey; Ted Mittelstaedt >>Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>Subject: RE: this spam >> >> >>Stephen: You are rigt and that was my very point earlier.... it may be okay >>to suggest that a mailserver administrator decide what is spam, until he >>decides it is YOUR emails... > >Your missing the point Jack. > >spam is mail that is unsolicited and sent to multiple recipients, many >hundreds >of thousands of recipients. A spam message that you receive is no more sent >"to you" than my germs are when I sneeze in a room you happen to be in. > >However, I have a suggestion for you - if your mailserver admin is spam >filtering, then if you don't like it then run your own mailserver and you >can do whatever the heck you want. We have many (including myself, BTW) >customers that do this and we could care less if they do. Do you think >that it makes any difference to an ISP if the incoming SMTP is going to >their mailserver then being sucked off that server via POP3 to a mail >client vs the incoming SMTP going directly to that mail client owner's >mailserver? Well maybe to some ass-backwards ISP's like Excite@Home which >prohibit such behavior it does (hmm - now those guys are going bankrupt, >do you think there's a connection? Nahhhhhh!) > >You guys are missing the boat here. If you spend five minutes actually >READING the RFC's and documentation on Internet e-mail you will realize that >kludges like POP3 and IMAP exist only to allow intermittently-connected >dialup hosts to deal with e-mail. The original design of the Internet >expected that ALL hosts participating in mail would be DIRECTLY connected >ALL THE TIME. Mail was to go directly from the sender's workstation to >the recipient's workstation. > >ISP's have a legitimate reason to filter spam BESIDES user's demands that >they do so - because since the ISP concentrates hundreds to thousands of >e-mailboxes on it's mailserver (because of all the weenie Windows clients >that couldn't run an SMTP server if they tried) a typical spam run places the >burden on that ISP of paying for the storage for all that spam. > >When you pay an ISP for a mailbox, your paying that ISP to handle your >legitimate mail for you. The ISP prices the cost of the mailbox based on >a statistical average of how much storage that they expect all users to use. >If the ISP allows incoming spam to enter their mailserver it totally screws >this average. The ISP is then put into the position where they either have >to pass the increased storage cost on to people like you, or reduce their >profits. So the choices are the ISP loses customers or it weakens itself >financially to the point of going bankrupt. > >>that's way too much powe to give to a single >>person or place... then censorship sets in without bounds to some who go to >>extremes.... people being people... >> > >Yah - I'll bet you will be eating those words when your ISP comes to you and >jacks up your mailbox price an extra $5 a month to pay for all that >"non censorship" your advocating. It's pretty easy to have these high-falutin >ideals when your not paying for them. > >And if you honestly would pay the extra $5 for a mailbox then you better wake >up >and come to the real world because 99.99% of all customers won't. > >Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 5:31:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.uni-ulm.de (sirius-giga.rz.uni-ulm.de [134.60.246.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A3637B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lilith (lilith.wohnheim.uni-ulm.de [134.60.106.64]) by mail.rz.uni-ulm.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fARDV8AX026264; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:31:09 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005701c17747$cbc12260$4011a8c0@wohnheim.uniulm.de> From: "Siegbert Baude" To: Cc: References: <200111270728.fAR7SF951440@syndicate.tek-shop.com> Subject: Re: error starting kdm from getty Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:31:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Eric, > I'm trying to start kdm by including the folllowing in /etc/ttys: > > ttyv7 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure > > kdm starts upon bootup, but I get an error on my console that says > [kdm_config]: unknown command line option 'ttyv7' Only a cosmetic problem. getty sends ttyv7 as additional command line parameter, when it starts kdm. It does the same for xdm, but xdm silently ignores this parameter, whereas kdm shouts, that it doesn't know what to do with it. The man page for xdm doesn't mention a tty parameter, so to kill the passing of this parameter must have been overlooked, when xdm changed it's needs. When I saw this first, I obviously forgot to file a PR. :-) Ciao Siegbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 5:32:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA2837B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from flash.net (64-48-176-137-atl-01.cvx.algx.net [64.48.176.137]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fARDWMw22648; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C03961A.2060109@flash.net> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:33:14 -0500 From: Courtney Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.6 i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001103 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD References: <000101c17714$2abf0ea0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@freebie.atkielski.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:55 AM >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt >> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD >> >> >> Ted writes: >> >> >>> Heli-scan technology was a good thing when it came >>> out, but today there's DLT which is much better in >>> terms of reliability in a production environment. >> >> I'd use DLT if it didn't cost four times as much as DAT for both drives and >> media. With the light use I give my drive, and the fact that the >> drive reading >> the tape is always the same drive that wrote it, I hope not to have >> any problems >> any time soon. >> > > I myself use DAT at home, light duty, and have had no problems. I mainly > wanted > to emphasize that while DAT is fine for light use, it won't stand up to a tape > cassette's worth of data totally rewritten every night for a year. You have > to > be a little careful when recommending solutions to note the environment they > work in. > > >>> When that figure starts to rise then get the tape >>> drive realigned before you start tossing tapes. >> >> Is realignment any cheaper than just buying a new drive? >> > > It depends on the drive - on the Exabyte 8mm drives it certainly was. On the > others, not so much. > > But there's another reason to do periodic alignmnets - hardware compression. > > DAT tape is pretty interchangeable from manufacturer's drive to manufacturer's > drive as long as the drive's hardware compression is switched off. But if > it's turned on, some drives use compression schemes that other's can't read. > > It would suck mightily if you had 3 years of backup tape saved up, all > hardware > compressed, and you replaced the tape drive and found all old tapes to be > unreadable. > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Speaking of Exabyte drives, I [am trying to :-)]use the 8500 [no compression] but.............. can't get it to stream, after trying many permutations [and a couple of days] of possible commands. I've also erased the [new] tape, cleaned the drive with an Exabyte cleaning cartridge, changed the cable, etc. BTW, an Athlon 750mhz w/256MB ram, AHA1520 card. I realize this is a low end card but it has worked in another machine OK. The drive is almost unused since new and appears to work satisfactorily other than no streaming. I've read the dump, st, and buffer man pages and the st page in particular documents the driver functionality in extremis [for only a user :-)] nevertheless it is clear that there are many, many potentially troublesome variables that it seems to me only a proficient C programmer with lots of time and a real good working knowledge of things SCSI could probe. The command I'm using is............... dump 0ub 64 / | `buffer -s 16k > /dev/tape` Since you use a DAT at home and are familiar with [at least the Exabyte] 8mm drives, hopefully you can point me to a resolution. Also, since this is a discontinued product, Exabyte is no help, now, though they were vigorously supportive when I first got the drive. Hopefully, Courtney Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 5:45:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hamster.franken.de (hamster.franken.de [193.141.110.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95E337B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from karnickel.franken.de (karnickel-gate.ip6w.franken.de [3ffe:400:320:3:103::]) by hamster.franken.de (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARDj7X84263 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:45:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tanis@gaspode.franken.de) Received: from gaspode.franken.de (gaspode.franken.de [193.141.110.49]) by karnickel.franken.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARDj7R81106 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:45:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tanis@gaspode.franken.de) Received: (from tanis@localhost) by gaspode.franken.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARDj7F01682 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:45:07 +0100 (envelope-from tanis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:45:06 +0100 From: German Tischler To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: double isa to pccard bridge Message-ID: <20011127144506.A1581@gaspode.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I have a machine setup, in which I have two isa to pccard bridge cards. Both are apparently found by the kernel, because they appear in the dmesg output, one at port 0x3e0, the second at port 0x3e2. The inserted cards in slot 0 and 2 are also reported by the kernel (the second slot is not accessable on the bridge cards, thus slot 1 is empty). The cards appear at different memory locations, one at 0xd0000 the other at 0xd4000. btw. this machine is running 4.3-20010804-STABLE. The problem starts with pccardd. It says No free configuration for card Lucent Technologies for the second card (both cards are of the same type) Is there a way to get the second card working ? The main problem seems to be the two different io ranges, because the pccardmem option of pccardc seems to set a system wide adress (please tell me this is not true...) --gt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 6:25:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.cluster.oleane.net (smtp4.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148DF37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (dyn-1-1-217.Sqy.dialup.oleane.fr [62.161.0.217]) by smtp4.cluster.oleane.net with SMTP id fAREPKW14560 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:25:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:25:20 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200111271425.fAREPKW14560@smtp4.cluster.oleane.net> From: "Philippe Rambour" <_philippe.rambour@pixelsystems.fr> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 6:29:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580137B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARES4H06134; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:28:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:28:04 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: "Brian T. Schellenberger" Cc: "Patrick O'Reilly" , Nils Holland , FreeBSD Question List Subject: Re: Softupdates Message-ID: <20011127082804.A4524@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <01112609195201.00903@i8k.babbleon.org> <20011126172050.A63285@luke.immure.com> <01112623573601.00696@i8k.babbleon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01112623573601.00696@i8k.babbleon.org>; from bts@babbleon.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:57:36PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: > On Monday 26 November 2001 18:20, Bob Willcox wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > Also, you most definately should turn off write-caching if you turn on > > > softupdates. In fact, you should do this anyway: softupdates are really > > > rather safe, but write caching is quite dangerous, and doubly so with > > > softupdates enabled. > > > > > > To do this, set > > > > > > hw.ata.wc=0 > > > > > > in your /boot/loader.conf (assuming IDE devices). > > If you use softupdates *and* enable write caching then you will screw up your > disk with a simple sequence like > > rm -r foo/* > shutdown -p now > > because the softupdates process will just finish writing its updates before > the power is clobbered. Well, my systems don't power down on shutdown (sounds like yours maybe do). I have to push the power off button so my disk usually has quite a bit of time to flush its cache. > > At least that happens with my hardward, so softupdates is not compatible with > write-cache-enabled. > > And from what I can tell (no rigorous testing), softupdates w/o write cache > is just as fast as non-softupdates w/ write cache, but lots safer. Try some benchmarks. An IBM DTLA 45GB drive that I tested with bonnie gave me these results with and without write caching: -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- IBM DTLA -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- WITH WC 1000 26068 34.4 26180 12.7 13990 10.3 27597 57.0 29819 12.4 344.3 1.3 W/O WC 1000 9768 13.1 9784 4.8 7547 5.5 26801 55.9 31608 13.8 172.5 0.8 This was on the exact same hardware (a 1.33 GHz Athlon system). As you can see in the second case (w/o write caching) the write performance is considerably down. Since bonnie is a simple benchmark program that writes a single file softupdates won't help. This is where I saw the performance penalty, writing large files. I suspect that without write caching enabled in the drive the system was not able to send the next block of data to the disk in time for it to not have to take an additional revolution in order to write it. > I know > that I've crashed 8 times in the last 36 hours and I'm darn glad I don't > enable write caching! (Of course that's not the norm, but sometimes I manage > that sort of thing.) I still contend that as long as you don't suddenly lose power and the drive's firmware has a reasonable write behind behavior (i.e., it will eventually write the data within a reasonable period...I can't confirm this one), then the blocks that reside in the disk's cache will be written to the disk even with a system crash (not involving power failure). BTW, all of my really critical data is kept on a separate system on SCSI disks. Also, usually none of my "production" systems crash as many as 8 times in a year. :-) Of course, it's your data. :-) If you don't feel safe doing it then by all means don't. I'm certainly not trying to talk you into it...just expressing a different point of view. Bob -- Bob Willcox Boucher's Observation: bob@vieo.com He who blows his own horn always plays the music Austin, TX several octaves higher than originally written. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 6:35:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.host4u.net (gaia.host4u.net [209.150.128.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BA837B422 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from andre ([216.71.43.117]) by gaia.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16717 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:30:36 -0600 Message-ID: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> Reply-To: "Andre` Niel Cameron" From: "Andre` Niel Cameron" To: Subject: The Stupid Virus going arround. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:34:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti Virus software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com and get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. Regards, Andre` C. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA6837B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fAREf1j10951 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:41:00 -0500 (EST) From: doug X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: margermaste In-Reply-To: <011e01c1772a$aca34ec0$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like: script merge.log mergemaster -ai You get a log of what was done. Depending on how often you upgrade this still leaves a lot of files that (I) have not changed. I have never had this overlay any of my local changes. My next step is to identify the things left that can be safely moved (with a shell script) and use mergemaster -r to handle the rest. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Andrey Simonenko wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: budsz > Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:52 PM > Subject: margermaster > > > > I've following the instruction in > > http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html > > but I didn't find instruction for margermaster, it's needed...? i just > > copy in /var/tmp/root/etc to /etc (ofcource after command > > # make DESTDIR=/var/tmp/root distrib-dirs distribution) it's true...? > > and if I do #make world it's same with #make builtworld & #make > > installworld ? > > > > I usualy call "mergemaster -a" after "make installworld", then > I run Perl-script, which removes emty directories from /var/tmp/temproot. > After this I check differences between /etc and /var/tmp/temproot/etc > (I patched some file in /etc, so I have to manualy chek difference). > > I don't think that it's good to just to copy /var/tmp/temproot/etc to /etc, > because you know nothing about changes in /etc scripts and configuration > files. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 6:44:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F4637B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card4-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 168jSx-0004Mt-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:44:07 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168jQr-0003G6-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:41:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:41:57 +0000 From: setantae To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti Virus > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com and > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? If so, could you share it please ? Thanks, Ceri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 6:53: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C064637B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:52:43 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 168ja5-0007A8-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:51:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:51:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: Courtney Thomas Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3C03961A.2060109@flash.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Courtney Thomas wrote: > Speaking of Exabyte drives, I [am trying to :-)]use the 8500 [no > compression] but.............. > can't get it to stream, after trying many permutations [and a couple of > days] of possible commands. > > I've also erased the [new] tape, cleaned the drive with an Exabyte > cleaning cartridge, changed the cable, etc. > > BTW, an Athlon 750mhz w/256MB ram, AHA1520 card. I realize this is a low > end card but it has worked in another machine OK. The drive is almost > unused since new and appears to work satisfactorily other than no streaming. > > I've read the dump, st, and buffer man pages and the st page in > particular documents the driver functionality in extremis [for only a > user :-)] nevertheless it is clear that there are many, many > potentially troublesome variables that it seems to me only a proficient > C programmer with lots of time and a real good working knowledge of > things SCSI could probe. > > The command I'm using is............... > dump 0ub 64 / | `buffer -s 16k > /dev/tape` I've just looked twice at this and blinked. Why have you surrounded the command with backquotes? That will run the buffer command and use the output of that command as a command line to pipe the output of dump into. ls -l / | `echo cat` -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk YKYBPTMRogueW... you try to move diagonally in vi. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7: 7:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bilbo.in.mat.cc (bilbo.in.mat.cc [212.43.217.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFFB37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilbo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.in.mat.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A7971055; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from club-internet.fr (sauron.in.mat.cc [212.43.217.122]) by bilbo.in.mat.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id A299C71055; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C03AC15.1113F8AF@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:01 +0100 From: Mathieu Arnold Organization: http://www.absolight.com/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: setantae Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG setantae wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti Virus > > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com and > > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. > > Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? > > If so, could you share it please ? not a procmail rule, but a postfix:body_check : /^\s+name="?.*\.(doc|zip|exe|xls|jpg|gif|mp3)\.(scr|pif|bat|com|exe|lnk)"?/ REJECT -- Mathieu Arnold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:13:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from e-commercepark.com (ns1.e-commercepark.com [216.6.121.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F05F37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from LUST (sub-170ip6.e-commercepark.com [216.152.170.6]) by e-commercepark.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19231 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:11:55 -0400 From: "dk" To: Subject: RE: The Stupid Virus going arround. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C03AC15.1113F8AF@club-internet.fr> Disposition-Notification-To: "dk" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello What bout something for sendmail ? Anyone? ===== This email is confidential and is subject to disclaimers. Details can be found at: http://www.xmirror.com/disclaimer.html Plain text email is insecure. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Mathieu Arnold Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:07 AM To: setantae Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. setantae wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a > > Norton;) Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of > > us have Anti Virus software some do not I think those who do not > > need to goto download.com and get some as you keep sending the virus > > to the list. Just a thought. > > Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? > > If so, could you share it please ? not a procmail rule, but a postfix:body_check : /^\s+name="?.*\.(doc|zip|exe|xls|jpg|gif|mp3)\.(scr|pif|bat|com|exe|lnk) "?/ REJECT -- Mathieu Arnold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E4A37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from crazyhorse ([24.21.114.209]) by femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011127151501.HKDZ17928.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@crazyhorse>; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:15:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011127081458.0095e720@mail.tucson1.az.home.com> X-Sender: rpsbsd@mail.tucson1.az.home.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:14:58 To: setantae , questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: R Paschal Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:41 PM 11/27/01 +0000, setantae wrote: >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: >> The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) >> Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti Virus >> software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com and >> get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. > >Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? > >If so, could you share it please ? It should be easy to catch any Windows program. This starts within the first 100 bytes of all window executables, usually starting at 004Eh: "This program cannot be run in DOS mode." Have fun, Rich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:16:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD5A37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from glue.umd.edu (darkstar.umd.edu [128.8.215.163]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fARFGkp25293; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:16:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C03AE5F.A3F143BB@glue.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:16:47 -0500 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chip Cc: Michael Imamura , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Eterm error when going su References: <200111261500743.SM03544@there> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG chip wrote: > Unfortunately is doesn't. Any other ideas? I am going to give this machine to > a friend so he can learn fbsd, and I would like it to work without any > errors, no matter how small. I seem to remember having this problem when 0.9.1 first came out, but I can't remember what I did to fix it. Try asking on one of the the enlightenment lists. The addresses are on the sourceforge page. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:42:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9C337B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38ldipv.dsl.mindspring.com ([209.86.203.63] helo=Main) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168kNh-00006B-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c1775a$0946a030$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: "Brian T. Schellenberger" , "Edwin Groothuis" Cc: References: <20011127164741.F579@k7.mavetju.org> <01112703072100.65893@i8k.babbleon.org> Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:41:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, I will check these out! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" To: "Edwin Groothuis" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:07 AM Subject: Re: Mass Renaming of Files > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 00:47, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 03:54:19PM -0500, jayyness@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Do any of you know of a script that could be written or possibly existst > > > that would search for and replace spaces with underscores? > > I have a script called "unmsdos" that makes names "unix-friendly" (eliminates > spaces as well as leading dashes, ampersands, parentheses, and other cruft. > It also invokes my "uncrnl" program to undo CR-NL if it's a text file. Enjoy. > > BTW, is this worth cleaning up and turning into a port sometime? Opinions > welcome. > > > > > What kind of rename/move are you talking about? > > > > There is, normally, no reason to worry, since you always can use > > "mv 'blaat blaat' /some/other/place" without having to worry about > > spaces. > > Well, you can, but *what* a pain. And when do you do things like piping an > ls into xargs, it gets the names all wrong. Spaces in file names are totally > for the birds. > > > > > If you have to do selections in directories regarding files, it > > might be easier to use Midnight Commander or something. > > > > Edwin > > -- > Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) > Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) > http://www.babbleon.org > > -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- > > http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:46:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A29437B405; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10102; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:46 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARFlGu36918; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:15 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011127154715.GC36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <34363616@toto.iv> <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qjNfmADvan18RZcF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/01 11:56 PM, Mike Meyer sat at the `puter and typed: > David Kirchner types: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get sp= am is OK, > > > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearl= y the > > > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mail= server, > > This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when > > they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify > > them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it > > happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, > > too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggesti= on. > > Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) >=20 > It's happened. At least one ISP has been sued as a result. The ISP > contended that electronic mail isn't 100% reliable to start with, and > that similar services never reveal the details of how they are > protecting users from being bothered. The latter clinched the case, > and the user lost. >=20 > I'm an anti-spammer, but I'm also anti-vigilante and against the > "email arms race" that has arisen. I'd much rather people had an easy > way to complain to the spammers ISP than that the ISP provided > filtering, with or without an opt-out. >=20 > I couldn't get one of my clients to turn off the email filtering that > denied me the chance to complain about SPAM. Given that they were > mostly blocking viruses that wouldn't do anything on my system anyway, > it really was pitiful. Well, then if you're on a persistent connection (broadband, DSL, etc.), why not just run your own as Ted suggested? That's what I did, mostly because I wanted more control over how I used my email. And for the learning experience - which was more valuable to me personally. Funny thing is that I still get 90% of my spam thru my MediaOne account - even given that I am on 6 different mailing lists (down from 10) and I use addresses from 4 different domains. They certainly aren't filtering. I tried some of the bundled procmail filters out there, but they are pretty much geared toward local mbox type stuff. They can usually be modified to work with my imap server, but often they wind up having an unacceptable level of false positives. The spambnc port regarded all freebsd listmail as spam. I could have whitelisted anything from freebsd-questions, but then the spam that gets thru the freebsd filters (?) would always get thru. I've settled for filtering on key phrases and black and white lists. It helps. I trash any blacklisted recips, and dump phrase hits into a spam folder. It is a good bit of up front work, and as one poster in this thread mentioned, it requires regular maintennance, but I've started reducing the time I have to put into it now. I just remembered that I wasn't going to post on this again, but since I've gone thru the trouble of writing all this out, I'll bless you all with my babbling on the subject just once more. :) I do realize Mike, that you may not have (or desire or need) such connectivity, but there are surely ways you can get mail at an account that doesn't filter? I know there are ways to complain about spam, but I haven't yet gotten around to automating the blacklist bounces and complaints. Maybe next month. HAND Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Minicomputer: A computer that can be afforded on the budget of a middle-level manager. --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A7WDeAPWYrNkRWIRAulrAJ0VnjfS2+5kvTuAsVQtTvG4JpkcKwCeO/uP mqZp1gjDB8e2uqFDAk7zdbw= =zZmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qjNfmADvan18RZcF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:46:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A29437B405; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10102; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:46 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARFlGu36918; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:15 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011127154715.GC36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <34363616@toto.iv> <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qjNfmADvan18RZcF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/26/01 11:56 PM, Mike Meyer sat at the `puter and typed: > David Kirchner types: > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get sp= am is OK, > > > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearl= y the > > > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mail= server, > > This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when > > they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify > > them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it > > happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, > > too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggesti= on. > > Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) >=20 > It's happened. At least one ISP has been sued as a result. The ISP > contended that electronic mail isn't 100% reliable to start with, and > that similar services never reveal the details of how they are > protecting users from being bothered. The latter clinched the case, > and the user lost. >=20 > I'm an anti-spammer, but I'm also anti-vigilante and against the > "email arms race" that has arisen. I'd much rather people had an easy > way to complain to the spammers ISP than that the ISP provided > filtering, with or without an opt-out. >=20 > I couldn't get one of my clients to turn off the email filtering that > denied me the chance to complain about SPAM. Given that they were > mostly blocking viruses that wouldn't do anything on my system anyway, > it really was pitiful. Well, then if you're on a persistent connection (broadband, DSL, etc.), why not just run your own as Ted suggested? That's what I did, mostly because I wanted more control over how I used my email. And for the learning experience - which was more valuable to me personally. Funny thing is that I still get 90% of my spam thru my MediaOne account - even given that I am on 6 different mailing lists (down from 10) and I use addresses from 4 different domains. They certainly aren't filtering. I tried some of the bundled procmail filters out there, but they are pretty much geared toward local mbox type stuff. They can usually be modified to work with my imap server, but often they wind up having an unacceptable level of false positives. The spambnc port regarded all freebsd listmail as spam. I could have whitelisted anything from freebsd-questions, but then the spam that gets thru the freebsd filters (?) would always get thru. I've settled for filtering on key phrases and black and white lists. It helps. I trash any blacklisted recips, and dump phrase hits into a spam folder. It is a good bit of up front work, and as one poster in this thread mentioned, it requires regular maintennance, but I've started reducing the time I have to put into it now. I just remembered that I wasn't going to post on this again, but since I've gone thru the trouble of writing all this out, I'll bless you all with my babbling on the subject just once more. :) I do realize Mike, that you may not have (or desire or need) such connectivity, but there are surely ways you can get mail at an account that doesn't filter? I know there are ways to complain about spam, but I haven't yet gotten around to automating the blacklist bounces and complaints. Maybe next month. HAND Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Minicomputer: A computer that can be afforded on the budget of a middle-level manager. --qjNfmADvan18RZcF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A7WDeAPWYrNkRWIRAulrAJ0VnjfS2+5kvTuAsVQtTvG4JpkcKwCeO/uP mqZp1gjDB8e2uqFDAk7zdbw= =zZmi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qjNfmADvan18RZcF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:51:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008D37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:51:39 -0800 Received: from 66.46.21.253 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:51:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.46.21.253] From: "Miroslav Pendev" To: alx@scn.ru Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise FastTrak TX2v2 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:51:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2001 15:51:39.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[672CE7D0:01C1775B] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Alex follows more info.... >From: "Alex N. Zhuravlev" >To: Miroslav Pendev >Subject: Re: Promise FastTrak TX2v2 >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:41:59 +0700 > > > Hi Alex, > >Hi ! > > > I have P4, 1.5GHz, ASUS P4B and Fastrack TX2 (bios 2.00 build 2) > > (which is probably v.2) and FreeBSD 4.4 RELEASE > > - in RAID 1 mode works PERFECT!!! with 2x40GB Quantum HDD and > > 20 GB for the system. > > > > the device is ar0 as detected by GENERIC kernel. > > > > I did not try to boot from the RAID 1, but probably > > it sholud work, also! > >Can you please answer more specific: >1. Are 2x40Gb on the same IDE controller at FastTrak or on different ? Yes they are striped as RAID 1, and they are connected to Promise FastTrack TX2. The 20GB disk is connected to mainboard's IDE, and is for the system >2. Show please your boot mesages during detecting hardware, especially >where the FastTrak section. FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov 9 14:07:21 EST 2001 root@oracle.vsi:/usr/src/sys/compile/SHADOW Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium 4 (1513.48-MHz 686-class CPU) avail memory = 1041375232 (1016968K bytes) ad0: 19595MB [39813/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 ar0: 38172MB [4866/255/63] subdisks: ad4: 38172MB [77557/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 ad6: 38172MB [77557/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA100 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 >3. After boot how do you mount disks that are on a FastTrak or show >please /etc/fstab contents # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ar0s1e /raid ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 May be is good idea to read the Handbook about how to ... 12.5 Adding Disks. You may know that, already but... there is allways something new to learn ;-) I hope that helps! >Thanks, >Alex N. Zhuravlev. You are Welcome, Alex *na zdorovie* Miro IT Admin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:58:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260C337B416; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10812; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:15 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARFwjn37013; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 02:41 PM, setantae sat at the `puter and typed: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti = Virus > > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com= and > > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. >=20 > Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? >=20 > If so, could you share it please ? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ceri This was recently shared on the procmail users list: # Trap BadTrans? (signature as of 11/26/2001) # :0 * > 40000 * < 50000 * ^Subject:.*Re: * ^Content-Type:.*multipart/related;.*"multipart/alternative";.*boundary=3D"= =3D=3D=3D=3D_ABC1234567890DEF_=3D=3D=3D=3D" { :0 B hfi * ^Content-Type: audio/x-wav; * ^Content-ID: * ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 | formail -Y -f -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] NOTIFY" \ -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] QUARANTINE" \ -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] REPORT: Trapped BadTrans worm - see htt= p://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b@mm.html" } :0A { FOLDER=3Dspam } The first recipe will set headers to tell you that it is the worm, the second can be used to redirect it. I'm just dumping it into a spam folder with the other cr@p, but you may want to /dev/null or bounce it. The key is the Content-Type header. Apparently it always uses the same mime types and the same boundary - with the quotes. HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to build better mice. --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A7g0eAPWYrNkRWIRAnW1AJ4hUQpssBtgfHuOTU9kgoCqRGQMvwCfaseF p002zEOlj+2Qw85re+954gQ= =7rRN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 7:58:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260C337B416; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10812; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:57:15 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARFwjn37013; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 02:41 PM, setantae sat at the `puter and typed: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti = Virus > > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com= and > > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. >=20 > Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? >=20 > If so, could you share it please ? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ceri This was recently shared on the procmail users list: # Trap BadTrans? (signature as of 11/26/2001) # :0 * > 40000 * < 50000 * ^Subject:.*Re: * ^Content-Type:.*multipart/related;.*"multipart/alternative";.*boundary=3D"= =3D=3D=3D=3D_ABC1234567890DEF_=3D=3D=3D=3D" { :0 B hfi * ^Content-Type: audio/x-wav; * ^Content-ID: * ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 | formail -Y -f -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] NOTIFY" \ -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] QUARANTINE" \ -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] REPORT: Trapped BadTrans worm - see htt= p://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b@mm.html" } :0A { FOLDER=3Dspam } The first recipe will set headers to tell you that it is the worm, the second can be used to redirect it. I'm just dumping it into a spam folder with the other cr@p, but you may want to /dev/null or bounce it. The key is the Content-Type header. Apparently it always uses the same mime types and the same boundary - with the quotes. HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC The goal of science is to build better mousetraps. The goal of nature is to build better mice. --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A7g0eAPWYrNkRWIRAnW1AJ4hUQpssBtgfHuOTU9kgoCqRGQMvwCfaseF p002zEOlj+2Qw85re+954gQ= =7rRN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Km1U/tdNT/EmXiR1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8: 2:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AAD37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E6DFD18F0; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D551B18EF; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:02:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Martin Karlsson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam In-Reply-To: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not > buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me > they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep > on spamming? > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. Having dealt with a customer who wanted to go this route... here is what I found out: Buying a mailing list of email address is roughly $20.00 per million "verified" addresses. One of the programs (Windows based,) to send out bulk email is about $40.00 Out of a million addresses they say you get about .5% sales, which is 5000 (assuming I did my math right! :) If you're selling your product at $10 a hit... you can make a profit pretty quickly with minimal effort on your part. Which to me is the real attraction... American's believe in minimal effort to get rich. (BTW... I was able to convince that customer NOT to go this route... by subscribing them to a couple of large mailing lists.. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8: 2:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from vepar.pair.com (vepar.pair.com [209.68.2.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B437A37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 47469 invoked by uid 65534); 27 Nov 2001 16:02:45 -0000 Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:02:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20011127160245.47468.qmail@vepar.pair.com> From: nik@mf.net To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: from FreeBSD 4.3 user X-Mailer: ASPMAIL version 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, My name is Nikita. I am developer from Russia. Now i am going to use in my work FreeBSD. I have installed the version 4.3. Could i ask your a question for tunning internal modem? if that is right then my modem looks at the following Volcano 56K internal PCI Kind regard Nikita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:13:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls16.mediaone.net (chmls16.mediaone.net [24.147.1.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CE637B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.188.158]) by chmls16.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fARGDnT14596; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARGDmc24856; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:13:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kalolo@mail.com Subject: Re: Information about mounting a ntfs partition References: <20011127094024.12990.qmail@mail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 27 Nov 2001 11:13:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: kalolo@mail.com's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:34:56 +0000 (UTC)" Message-ID: <443d30gpj7.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG kalolo@mail.com writes: > I have a problem > > > I just want to know how to mount a NTFS partition on Freebsd 4.4 > > > Thaks for your time, and ill be waiting your response.. $ man -k ntfs mount_ntfs(8) - mount an NTFS file system $ man mount_ntfs MOUNT_NTFS(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual MOUNT_NTFS(8) NAME mount_ntfs - mount an NTFS file system SYNOPSIS mount_ntfs [-a] [-i] [-u uid] [-g gid] [-m mask] special node DESCRIPTION The mount_ntfs command attaches the NTFS filesystem residing on the device special to the global filesystem namespace at the location indi- cated by node. This command is normally executed by mount(8) at boot time, but can be used by any user to mount an NTFS file system on any directory that they own (provided, of course, that they have appropriate access to the device that contains the file system). The options are as follows: -a Force behaviour to return MS-DOS 8.3 names also on readdir(). -i Make name lookup case insensitive for all names except POSIX names. -u uid Set the owner of the files in the file system to uid. The default owner is the owner of the directory on which the file system is being mounted. (etc.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:18:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F368737B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12121 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:17:21 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARGIoW37087; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:18:50 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011127161849.GF36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011126100247.A938@foo31-249.visit.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8JPrznbw0YAQ/KXy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --8JPrznbw0YAQ/KXy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 09:02 AM, Rick Hamell sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > > A few short (OT) questions: Why do spammers spam? I mean, people do not > > buy "products" from the guy who sent them spam, do they? (please tell me > > they don't...) So, how do spammers make enough money to be able to keep > > on spamming? > > Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. >=20 > Having dealt with a customer who wanted to go this route... here > is what I found out: >=20 > Buying a mailing list of email address is roughly $20.00 per > million "verified" addresses. >=20 > One of the programs (Windows based,) to send out bulk email is > about $40.00 > =09 > Out of a million addresses they say you get about .5% sales, which > is 5000 (assuming I did my math right! :)=20 >=20 > If you're selling your product at $10 a hit... you can make a > profit pretty quickly with minimal effort on your part. Which to me is the > real attraction... American's believe in minimal effort to get rich. >=20 Yes. Unfortunate, but true. >=20 > (BTW... I was able to convince that customer NOT to go this > route... by subscribing them to a couple of large mailing lists.. :) Bravo! Good for you! L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC To be or not to be. -- Shakespeare To do is to be. -- Nietzsche To be is to do. -- Sartre Do be do be do. -- Sinatra --8JPrznbw0YAQ/KXy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A7zpeAPWYrNkRWIRAvSAAJ9H4m2qClUqySYmWmJV7mqju+RQkgCff9mf jKGmo3HBcbysLLRQP/xqqs8= =Prry -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8JPrznbw0YAQ/KXy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:22:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5108337B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 83090 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 16:22:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:22:32 -0600 To: "Andre` Niel Cameron" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <14748150@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andr=E8 Niel Cameron types: > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;= ) > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Ant= i Virus > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.c= om and > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. That doesn't apply if you're reading mail on a FreeBSD box. If you aren't - well, you've got to pay the price as Andr=E8 suggests. =09=09=09=09http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh?=09=09A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:31:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E694A37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a202.otenet.gr [212.205.215.202]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARGVF818647; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:31:15 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARGP3v08509; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:25:03 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: doug Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup question Message-ID: <20011127162503.GA8434@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-25 23:06:10, doug wrote: > All of the modules listed below were commited in the time between my cvsup > runs. The date tag apparently works on what is put in the CVS version line > not when the commit is really made. > > So using date= does not really mean no new updates will be > picked up. Yes, this can happen. If you are user ``X'' sitting at a FreeBSD terminal somewhere in the world, and ``S'' is your favorite CVSup server, with ``C'' being the cvsup-master which grabs the changes from the repository, the following timelines show how this things can happen. The small letters `a', `b' and `c' indicate deltas that are committed and grabbed by ``C'' the cvsup master. The lines marked with two stars at the beginning are points in time that ``X'' fires up CVSup. (X) (S) (C) a user trying to some cvsup the master run cvsup mirror cvsup mirror ----+-----------------------+----------------------+---- | | | | | | | | aaa | | aaaa | | | aaaaaa | | | aaaa | | | aaaa | | aaaaaa bb | aaa | bb | | aaaa | bb | ** . . . | . . . aaaaa . . . . .|. . . . . . . bb . . | | aaaa | bb | | aaa | bbb | aa | bbb | | | bbbb | | bbbbbb | | bbb | | ** . . .| . . . . . . . bbb . . | . . . . . . . . . . .| | bbb | | | bbb | | | bbb | | bbbbbbb | | | | | As you can see from this simple timeline, the user at ``X'' has started his first CVSup session *after* the second delta reached the CVSup master server, and asked for all the changes that were older than the current date. Since this particular delta had not reached his favorite CVSup mirror, he didn't get to grab it until the second time he fired up CVSup though :) -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:33:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463BA37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by plab.ku.dk (8.11.3/8.9.3) id fARGXFe07645 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.AVP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:33:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dmitry@karasik.eu.org) Received: from raven.plab.ku.dk (raven.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.67]) by plab.ku.dk (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fARGXC607641 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:33:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dmitry@karasik.eu.org) In-Reply-To: Louis LeBlanc's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:47:15 -0500" Subject: Re: this spam Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <34363616@toto.iv> <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> <20011127154715.GC36710@keyslapper.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dmitry Karasik Keywords: 2001334874 X-Comment-To: Louis LeBlanc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Lines: 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 27 Nov 2001 17:31:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail::Mailer[v1.40] Net::SMTP[v2.17] Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Louis! On 27 Nov 01 at 10:47, "Louis" (Louis LeBlanc) wrote: Louis> The spambnc port regarded all freebsd listmail as Louis> spam. I could have whitelisted anything from freebsd-questions, Just $0.02 - I learned the existence of spambnc through this topic, but I have to add that even after quick setup it doesn't regard my freebsd mail as spam. It would, however, if you set BLOCKFOLDER to anything but DEFAULT. I haven't bumped ( yet, maybe ) into any consequences of skipping BLOCK-related filters, so may be this information would be of some help to you. -- Sincerely, Dmitry --- www.karasik.eu.org --- Life ain't fair, but the root password helps. - BOFH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:34: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE88E37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO mlevy) (12.27.148.78) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 16:33:46 -0000 Message-ID: <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Bara Zani" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:36:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fair enough , what is your favorite Freebsd mail client ? one that supports multiple mail accounts ( pop3 ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Meyer" To: "Andre` Niel Cameron" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Andrè Niel Cameron types: > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Anti Virus > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.com and > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. That doesn't apply if you're reading mail on a FreeBSD box. If you aren't - well, you've got to pay the price as Andrè suggests. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:36:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12BF37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a202.otenet.gr [212.205.215.202]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARGab828172; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:36:37 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARGabm08668; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:36:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:36:37 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Sean LeBlanc Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting keys mapped correctly Message-ID: <20011127163636.GB8434@hades.hell.gr> References: <20011125223258.A9588@hostwiththemost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011125223258.A9588@hostwiththemost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-25 22:32:58, Sean LeBlanc wrote: > Hi, I'm having some difficulties getting things right when I'm at the > console only. I run mutt and Emacs a lot. Most things work for me in the > shell (bash) as a normal user. However, if I try to run Emacs and mutt I run > into all kinds of trouble. Both look terrible, unless I switch TERM to > scoansi (this is something Lehey's book mentions). Once I do that, keys work > fine, and apps look okay. The only issue is: no color. Is there any way I > can remedy this? BTW, all is well when I do this from, say, Konsole or > xterm in KDE. I get color and the keys are working correctly. Term is > xterm-color in these apps, BTW. If you're sitting on a FreeBSD console, then try setting your TERM to `cons25'. Most of the keys work for me in `cons25'. If there are some keys that do not work for you, then please be more specific :-) -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:40:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mrtwig.citlink.net (mrtwig.citlink.net [207.173.229.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A2D37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net ([207.173.248.249]) by mrtwig.citlink.net (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license a3e2d54ac3b1df4217e834deb9d77e31) with ESMTP id <20011127164506.ZNPB60244.mrtwig@blacklamb.mykitchentable.net> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:45:06 -0600 Received: from tagalong (unknown [165.107.42.150]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 99D61EE653 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00da01c17762$36d95e40$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:40:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis LeBlanc" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. FYI - You seem to be sending two copies of your messages to the list; one to questions@freebsd.org and the other to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. the following is a snip from one of your recent messages: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG I just wanted to let you know as you are probably unaware that you are sending two copies. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:41:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970A337B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1cust243.tnt2.tucson.az.da.uu.net ([63.11.142.243] helo=aol.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168lHp-0001gX-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:40:46 -0800 From: "Walter Doll" <_azdolls@earthlink.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:40:46 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk 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(okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BE0337B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 83649 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 16:42:09 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:42:09 -0600 To: "Bara Zani" Cc: Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Context lost because of top posting.] Bara Zani types: > Fair enough , > what is your favorite Freebsd mail client ? > one that supports multiple mail accounts ( pop3 ) vm. It supports multiple pop and imap account as well as Unix system accounts. It also supports multiple active folders, dynamic virtual folders, multiple windows for each folder and/or summary, and can run on a text console. What more could anyone want? http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:46:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1145F37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fARGkMd18195; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:46:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200111271646.fARGkMd18195@ptavv.es.net> To: "Brian T.Schellenberger" Cc: Bob Willcox , "Patrick O'Reilly" , Nils Holland , FreeBSD Question List Subject: Re: Softupdates In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:57:36 EST." <01112623573601.00696@i8k.babbleon.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:46:22 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: "Brian T.Schellenberger" > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:57:36 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > On Monday 26 November 2001 18:20, Bob Willcox wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 09:19:52AM -0500, Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > Also, you most definately should turn off write-caching if you turn on > > > softupdates. In fact, you should do this anyway: softupdates are really > > > rather safe, but write caching is quite dangerous, and doubly so with > > > softupdates enabled. > > > > > > To do this, set > > > > > > hw.ata.wc=0 > > > > > > in your /boot/loader.conf (assuming IDE devices). > > If you use softupdates *and* enable write caching then you will screw up your > disk with a simple sequence like > > rm -r foo/* > shutdown -p now > > because the softupdates process will just finish writing its updates before > the power is clobbered. > > At least that happens with my hardward, so softupdates is not compatible with > write-cache-enabled. Ugh! This is terrible. The amount of settling time in a shutdown should be more than enough to allow cache to flush to disk. I do the above on either my laptop (more frequent) and desktop systems and see no similar problem. (Note: / is not running softupdates.) > And from what I can tell (no rigorous testing), softupdates w/o write cache > is just as fast as non-softupdates w/ write cache, but lots safer. I know > that I've crashed 8 times in the last 36 hours and I'm darn glad I don't > enable write caching! (Of course that's not the norm, but sometimes I manage > that sort of thing.) I've done some real testing and this is simply not close to true. The difference is quite dependent on the nature of the disk I/O performed, but I see a difference of > 4x for many operations. I have been running with softupdates and write-cache on my laptop and desktop for many months and I've never had a problem. Of course, I've never had my either system crash 8 times in 36 hours. This discussion has taken place before on both STABLE and MOBILE and the people I tend to trust (Soren and Matt Dillon) both run with softupdates and write cache. I'd suggest looking at the archives for their opinions. Note that write cache is once again the default for ATA drives. (Also please be aware that this whole discussion is probably not relevant to SCSI disks.) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 8:49: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mrtwig.citlink.net (mrtwig.citlink.net [207.173.229.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A270B37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net ([207.173.248.249]) by mrtwig.citlink.net (InterMail vK.4.03.04.00 201-232-130 license a3e2d54ac3b1df4217e834deb9d77e31) with ESMTP id <20011127165338.ZVLZ60244.mrtwig@blacklamb.mykitchentable.net>; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:53:38 -0600 Received: from tagalong (unknown [165.107.42.150]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A1EDEE653; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:50:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013d01c17763$6856c830$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: "Drew Tomlinson" , Cc: References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> <00da01c17762$36d95e40$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:48:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doh! Please accept my apologies. I meant to send this offline to Louis LeBlanc directly. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis LeBlanc" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. > > FYI - You seem to be sending two copies of your messages to the list; > one to questions@freebsd.org and the other to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. the following is a snip from one of your > recent messages: > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 > From: Louis LeBlanc > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > I just wanted to let you know as you are probably unaware that you are > sending two copies. > > Drew > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 9:30:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF45237B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cr1034264a ([24.103.169.134]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011127173028.SRWO13005.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cr1034264a> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <008101c17784$0a3553e0$0100a8c0@cr1034264a> Reply-To: "P K" From: "P K" To: "freebsd-questions" Subject: firewall Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:42:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01C17740.FB6EA7F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C17740.FB6EA7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Do you have experience about the etinc product on freebsd? I don't understand about the following: # bwmgr showbridges fxp0 Group:1 Forwarding: primary dc0 Group:1 Forwarding: bg1 Group:1 Forwarding: noroute What is the meaning of noroute? Do I need to enable it to route and how? I can set the deny the ping from outside to the freebsd But I couldn't set the deny the ping from outside to the host beside the = freebsd. TIA ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C17740.FB6EA7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
 
Do you have experience about the etinc = product on=20 freebsd?
 
I don't understand about the=20 following:
 
# bwmgr showbridges
fxp0 Group:1=20 Forwarding:<ALL PROTS > primary
dc0 Group:1 Forwarding:<ALL = PROTS=20 >
bg1 Group:1 Forwarding:<ALL PROTS > noroute
 
What is the meaning of noroute? Do I = need to enable=20 it to route and how?
I can set the deny the ping from = outside to the=20 freebsd
But I couldn't set the deny the ping = from outside=20 to the host beside the freebsd.
 
TIA
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C17740.FB6EA7F0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 9:33:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in (iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in [203.197.98.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FC037B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cse.iitkgp.ernet.in (IDENT:root@cse.iitkgp.ernet.in [144.16.192.57]) by iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02413 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:01:27 -0500 (GMT) Received: from localhost (subhra@localhost) by cse.iitkgp.ernet.in (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fARHeG912538 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:10:16 +0530 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:10:15 +0530 (IST) From: Subhra Banerjee To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: about mounting of floppy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am not able to mount the floppy in FreeBSD. I tried with so many ways but it is replying "incorrect super block". I loaded FreeBsd in my m/c with VMWare. Can anyone answer my problem? 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/l/9D/3yCg== --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 9:59: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fe040.worldonline.dk (fe040.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD76437B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28674 invoked by uid 0); 27 Nov 2001 17:58:59 -0000 Received: from 213.237.13.224.adsl.hc.worldonline.dk (HELO lapdancer.dk) (213.237.13.224) by fe040.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 17:58:59 -0000 Subject: How to make a start/stop/restart script From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= Neigaard To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 27 Nov 2001 18:57:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1006883831.2096.24.camel@lapdancer.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the offtopic mail, but I know you guys know the answer :) How do I make a script that can start/stop/restart a Java process? Somting about probing the process string, but how do I do it!? It has to work on both Unix and Linux too :) --=20 .............................. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards S=F8ren Neigaard Registered Linux User #239437 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 9:59:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kerouac.ngfl.gov.uk (kerouac.ngfl.gov.uk [193.63.51.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79EF37B41C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from card.ngfl.gov.uk ([193.63.51.97]) by kerouac.ngfl.gov.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #9) id 168mVi-000742-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:59:10 +0000 Received: from card.ngfl.gov.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by card.ngfl.gov.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARHxCb36861; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:59:12 GMT (envelope-from dpd@ngfl.gov.uk) Message-Id: <200111271759.fARHxCb36861@card.ngfl.gov.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: dpd@raffles-it.com Subject: VMWare and Bridged networking. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1604975288P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:59:12 +0000 From: David Dooley Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-1604975288P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I am trying to get an instance of VMWARE 2 to load on a FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE as of Mon Nov 12 16:03:19 GMT 2001. On boot I get a vmnet 1 interface configured for me and the details are vmnet1: flags=8943 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 00:bd:b5:0e:00:01 I am not too sure what the IP address is or where it was gleaned from because the network I am in fact on is 193.63.51.64/26. The IP address may be a red herring as it would appear that the vmnet and the host interface are both running in promiscuous mode - lnc0: flags=8943 mtu 1500 inet 193.63.51.95 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 193.63.51.127 ether 00:06:29:50:2f:a6 If any one can shed some light on these thoughts and enlighten me I would be most appreciative. The above not withstanding when I try an power on a configured vmware instance it moans that it cannot access /dev/vmnet0. This would be true as there is no vmnet0 interface any where on the system that I can find, but I can find a /compat/linux/dev/vmnet1. Now I am not too sure if it is relevant but I did have a copy of the linux 7 emulation installed, that I remove when I reverted back to linux_base 6.1. I did try and get vmware working under Linux 7, but no joy so I decided to revert to linux 6.1. I remove VMware 2 and reinstalled but this has had no effect. The reason why I want to use bridgeing is so that the vm host appears as just another host on my network rather that it being on a separate network with the all the setting up of alternative routes etc. Thanks for all and any help David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dooley Unix Administrator - NGFL Internet Services BECTa Millburn Hill Road Science Park Coventry CV4 7JJ Tel: +44 24 7684 7112 Fax: +44 24 7684 7120 Email: david_dooley@becta.org.uk dpd@ngfl.gov.uk GPG Key FingerPrint=9C14 5FB6 9ECA 6918 72E3 3175 6BD9 B858 AE82 E3DC --==_Exmh_-1604975288P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 iD8DBQE8A9RwVE39zFuKNawRAgGCAKCIHg26/0rmOXxjMHUGsLtrsUSMAgCfaC+U JboS2nHtoGQWJSUT0wZNzf4= =Yq3S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1604975288P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:30:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E902637B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20131 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:29:53 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARIVNO37444 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:31:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:31:23 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127183122.GJ36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> <00da01c17762$36d95e40$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> <013d01c17763$6856c830$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DesjdUuHQDwS2t4N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <013d01c17763$6856c830$962a6ba5@lc.ca.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --DesjdUuHQDwS2t4N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 08:48 AM, Drew Tomlinson sat at the `puter and typed: > Doh! Please accept my apologies. I meant to send this offline to Louis > LeBlanc directly. Yup. Not as bad as my doubled replies, tho. One day I'll figure out how to prevent that so my feeble brain doesn't have to think about it. Sorry for the doubles. Lou >=20 > Drew >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Tomlinson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. >=20 >=20 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Louis LeBlanc" > > To: ; > > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:58 AM > > Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. > > > > FYI - You seem to be sending two copies of your messages to the list; > > one to questions@freebsd.org and the other to > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. the following is a snip from one of > your > > recent messages: > > > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:45 -0500 > > From: Louis LeBlanc > > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > I just wanted to let you know as you are probably unaware that you are > > sending two copies. > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > >=20 >=20 --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Rule of Defactualization: Information deteriorates upward through bureaucracies. --DesjdUuHQDwS2t4N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A9v6eAPWYrNkRWIRAsYGAJ4sTBsIcntBKcyNkPzWymVLMODwbwCeMP7g upU5Sp0j/JZvliigopHdm3g= =6+Yh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DesjdUuHQDwS2t4N-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:32:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA4B37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20246 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:31:14 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARIWi237472 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:32:44 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127183243.GK36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYjDATHXTWnytHRU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --zYjDATHXTWnytHRU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 10:42 AM, Mike Meyer sat at the `puter and typed: > [Context lost because of top posting.] >=20 > Bara Zani types: > > Fair enough , > > what is your favorite Freebsd mail client ? > > one that supports multiple mail accounts ( pop3 ) >=20 > vm. It supports multiple pop and imap account as well as Unix system > accounts. It also supports multiple active folders, dynamic virtual > folders, multiple windows for each folder and/or summary, and can run > on a text console. >=20 > What more could anyone want? Mutt? Works for me. L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Die, v.: To stop sinning suddenly. -- Elbert Hubbard --zYjDATHXTWnytHRU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A9xLeAPWYrNkRWIRAl1KAJ9Fq+HW8j25tTV7+UpXeTJgE/s/LwCfbI9d Hx4MkEXuxxBLmTfO3vayLOM= =N5MM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYjDATHXTWnytHRU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:38:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nextra.hu (mail.nextra.hu [213.134.7.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A284A37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [62.112.202.132] by relay.nextramail.hu (NTMail 7.00.0018/QS1068.00.e3e4caf5) with 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<20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Yah - I'll bet you will be eating those words when your ISP comes to you and > jacks up your mailbox price an extra $5 a month to pay for all that > "non censorship" your advocating. It's pretty easy to have these high-falutin > ideals when your not paying for them. What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see which is cheaper. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:50:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from blue.dls.net (blue.dls.net [209.242.10.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036D337B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from emailrob.com (084-dls801.dls.net [216.145.235.84]) by blue.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9998C120057 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:50:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C03E0D8.448A6B11@emailrob.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:52:08 -0600 From: 'emailrob' spellberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: where are the tarballs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG to whomever can answer this --- i've gone through lehey 3rd edition. ditto online handbook. there is --NO-- /cdrom/ports/distfiles. there are no distfiles anywhere except /usr/ports and it is empty. there are no ports on disks 2, 3 or 4. i checked 3.2, 4.2 and 4.4. make wants a tarball in /usr/ports/distfiles. objective: install everything on the cds. plan b: install everything perl. holy grail: "hello, world" using perl/tk. i have run the install script in /cdrom/ports. i have installed the cvs-repository. i buy the cds because all i have is dialup speed. q: where are the tarballs? the only tarballs i find are in individual packages. am i supposed to install packages one-by-one? what happens to specifying options? what is the current correct procedure to transfer everything on the cds to hard drive? tia rob spellberg harvard, illinois emailrob@emailrob.com ps: /stand/sysinstall does not recognize the fbsd disks as fbsd disks. also, the mount point is called /cdrom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:58:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F113137B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com ([24.6.228.202]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011127185812.SGWL6645.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:58:12 -0800 In-reply-to: <20011127163636.GB8434@hades.hell.gr>; from charon@labs.gr on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 06:36:37PM +0200 Subject: Re: Getting keys mapped correctly Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit References: <20011125223258.A9588@hostwiththemost> <20011127163636.GB8434@hades.hell.gr> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Sean LeBlanc X-mda: Mail::Internet Mail::Sendmail Sendmail +mmhack 1.1 on Linux Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-version: 1.0 User-agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Content-disposition: inline Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:04:48 -0700 Message-id: <20011127120447.A1279@hostwiththemost> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-27 18:36, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2001-11-25 22:32:58, Sean LeBlanc wrote: > > Hi, I'm having some difficulties getting things right when I'm at the > > console only. I run mutt and Emacs a lot. Most things work for me in the > > shell (bash) as a normal user. However, if I try to run Emacs and mutt I run > > into all kinds of trouble. Both look terrible, unless I switch TERM to > > scoansi (this is something Lehey's book mentions). Once I do that, keys work > > fine, and apps look okay. The only issue is: no color. Is there any way I > > can remedy this? BTW, all is well when I do this from, say, Konsole or > > xterm in KDE. I get color and the keys are working correctly. Term is > > xterm-color in these apps, BTW. > > If you're sitting on a FreeBSD console, then try setting your TERM to > `cons25'. Most of the keys work for me in `cons25'. If there are > some keys that do not work for you, then please be more specific :-) Uh, well what WAS happening, was the screen was not "redrawing" correctly, on say, scrolling down in list of items in mutt. And looked absolutely terrible in Emacs, esp. if I ran GNUS. But I'm a frickin' idiot...I had tried setting cons25 on LOCAL console, but I'm actually ssh'ing to another box, and the REMOTE machine still had it's TERM set to xterm-color. No wonder I was having issues. Once I set both to cons25, all is fine...well, for what I tried in my quick run-through of things I know that didn't work before. Backspace still doesn't work on Emacs (well, technically, it does, it brings up help, but who wants that? :) ), but I think I know how to fix that... Thanks for the help. Sometimes it just takes someone else to say or write something, and a spark goes off. Or at least a glow. -- Sean LeBlanc:seanleblanc@home.com Yahoo:seanleblancathome ICQ:138565743 MSN:seanleblancathome AIM:sleblancathome The worth of a book is to be measured by what you can carry away from it. -James Bryce Management QOTD:Look, that's just one cog in a very big wheel. We all have to review our balance sheet for cash and become familiar with the look and feel of the object. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 10:59:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web21110.mail.yahoo.com (web21110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51C2637B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011127185921.15359.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.251.159.146] by web21110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:59:21 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: mike williams Subject: Assistance To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From Mike Williams, Telephone +225-0789-4278 CONFIDENTIAL Atten:Director/CEO please I am Mike Williams, the only son of late chief Joseph Alfred Williams from Sierra Leone. I got your contact from the Ecowas Information Center in Côte d'Ivoire. My sources of your contact gave me thecourage and confidence to rely on you. I am writingyou in absolute confidence primarily to seek your assistance to transfer our cash of fifteen million dollars ($15,000 000) now in the custody of a Security Company in Europe to your private account pending our arrival to your country. SOURCE OF THE MONEY My late father, chief Joseph Alfred Williams, a nativeof Mende district in the Northern province of Sierra Leone, was the general Manager of Sierra Leone miningco-operation (S.L.M.C.) Freetown. According to myfather. This money was the income accrued from mining co-operation's over draft and minor sales. Before the peak of the civil war between the rebels forces of major Paul Koroma and the combined forces of ECOMOG peace keeping operation that almost destroyed my country,following the forceful removal from power of the Civilian Elected President Ahmed Tejan Kabbah by the rebels. My father had already made arrangement for his family, my mother, my little sister and myself to be evacuated to Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire with ourpersonal effects. My father deposited the consignment and declared it as Family valuables for security reasons ,and for the safe custody until after the war when he will join us. During the war in my country,and following the indiscriminate looting of public and Government properties by the rebel forces, the sierra Leone mining coop. Was one of the targets looted and destroyed. My father including other top Government functionaries Were attacked and killed by the rebels in November 1999 because of his relationship with the civilian Government of Ahmed Tejan Kabbah. As a result of my father death, and with the news of my uncles involvement in air crash in January, dashed our hope of survival. The untimely deaths caused my mothers heart failure and other related complications of which she later died in the hospital After we must have spent a lot of money on her. Now my 18-year-old sister and myself are alone in this strange country suffering without any care or help.Without any relation, we are now like refugees and orphans. Our only hope now is in consignment our father deposited in the Security Company in Europe.To this effect, I humbly solicit your assistance in the followings ways. -To assist me claim this consignment from the Security Company asco-beneficiary. -To transfer this money in your name to your country. -To make a good arrangement for a joint business investment on our behalf in your country and you, the care taker. -To secure a college for my little sister and my self in your country to further our education. -And to make arrangement for our travel with you to your country after you havetransferred this fund. Most importantly. The whole documents issued after deposit in my custody. For your assistance, I beg to concede 15 % of this money to you for your efforts assistance . Best regards Mike Williams __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11: 0:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB64A37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.177.56]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011127190025.URUG20714.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:00:25 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A530189D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C9A3C20ADB; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:01:52 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: (fwd) make install doesn't respect PREFIX Message-ID: <20011127190152.GF520@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: The Anarcat , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CD/aTaZybdUisKIc" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --CD/aTaZybdUisKIc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4LFBTxd4L5NLO6ly" Content-Disposition: inline --4LFBTxd4L5NLO6ly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi! bsd.prog.mk doesn't respect PREFIX, from what I can tell. libh is using bsd.prog.mk to manage it's makefiles, and make install PREFIX=/opt doesn't work. You have to use BINDIR and LIBDIR to modify the target directories. Would "PREFIX-ing" bsd.prog.mk be a good idea? I can already see a way to do it. prog.mk uses bsd.own.mk to set various directories (eg. LIBDIR), so it shouldn't be too hard to hack this. I just can't figure out where BINDIR is defined!! A. --4LFBTxd4L5NLO6ly Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: anarcat@anarcat.dyndns.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.119]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA93219FD for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806EA5624B; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) id 6130337B405; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D4582E8017; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:35 -0800 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D79D37B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.177.56]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011127184828.UJQD20714.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:48:28 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C101A3D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A996C20ADB; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:56 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: Libh Subject: make install doesn't respect PREFIX Message-ID: <20011127184955.GD520@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Problem:=20 root@shall [~anarcat/libh]# make install PREFIX=3D/usr/local =3D=3D=3D> compile =3D=3D=3D> compile/none /usr/bin/env NOTVISION=3DYES NOQT=3DYES make -f ../Makefile.inc1 BSUBDIR=3Dcommon install install -C -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libh.a /usr/lib install -C -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libh.so.0 /usr/lib Workaround: root@shall [~anarcat/libh]# make install BINDIR=3D/usr/local/bin LIBDIR=3D/= usr/local/lib =3D=3D=3D> compile =3D=3D=3D> compile/none /usr/bin/env NOTVISION=3DYES NOQT=3DYES make -f ../Makefile.inc1 BSUBDIR=3Dcommon install install -C -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 libh.a /usr/local/lib I think there is something wrong with bsd.prog.mk here, though. Isn't it supposed to respect PREFIX? It would be ridiculous to have it other wise: we plead for PREFIX-independance with 3rd party apps, but we don't do it ourselves? ;) A. --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwD4FMACgkQttcWHAnWiGeT/ACdGZyDZx4f+f9K0X3YcqTWs7S8 1SUAn03wSIzEot+MtJS+Wx9eSfXRS67p =P71O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message --4LFBTxd4L5NLO6ly-- --CD/aTaZybdUisKIc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwD4x8ACgkQttcWHAnWiGc++ACgnudTfD854sN5n9metCOvFlD6 PGMAn0vGmAZZUDt8kHrezESrE+wEgMAu =AY3n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CD/aTaZybdUisKIc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:12: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from shikima.mine.nu (pc1-card4-0-cust77.cdf.cable.ntl.com [62.252.49.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C84C37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rasputin by shikima.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168ng0-0002u4-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:13:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:13:52 +0000 From: Rasputin To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: rsync as a remote backup tool Message-ID: <20011127191352.A11126@shikima.mine.nu> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there we're playing around with rsync as a backup tool at work. It's awesome as far as smart use of bandwidth goes, but if we want to preserve permissions, etc we need to run it as root. (Also we can't see the entire remote directory tree to copy it otherwsie) We use SSH as a transport, and I've been using a paswordless RSA key to let it run from cron - just wondered if there was a way to avoid running this as root with a blank 'get root free' key? I know of a few ways to restrict what a user can run, but I'm not sure how to find out what commands rsync is using? I know it's not FreeBSD-specific, but wondered if anyone here was doing something similar and had found a safe(r) way of doing it? Cheers. (please cc me in on replies - ta). -- Turnaucka's Law: The attention span of a computer is only as long as its electrical cord. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:20:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197AC37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fARGutR48436; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:56:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Rick Hamell" , "Martin Karlsson" Cc: Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:56:55 -0800 Message-ID: <004f01c17764$85234280$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rick Hamell >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:03 AM >To: Martin Karlsson >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > > > > Out of a million addresses they say you get about .5% sales, which >is 5000 (assuming I did my math right! :) > Of course it's important to emphasize that this is the lie part of the pitch. There's no studies or anything that supports a .5% response rate. Keep in mind the industry standard for paper junk mail is 1-2% response rate, so if they put in the actual response rate to spams then nobody would believe it. Setting the pitch to assume 1/2 of paper junk mail is believable to those who have never spammed before. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:24:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [195.39.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E7737B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fARJORp21776 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:24:28 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2001112720241857:2030 ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:24:18 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARJUb074160 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:30:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:30:37 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree 4.* memory usage Message-ID: <20011127203037.W26507@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/27/2001 08:24:18 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/27/2001 08:24:25 PM, Serialize complete at 11/27/2001 08:24:25 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: "Charles Burns" > To: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: XFree 4.* memory usage > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:10:15 -0700 > > Loking at 'top', I notice that XFree 4.2 (or whatever the newest version is) > > appears to be using about 68MB of RAM. This is without a window manager, > just the checkerboard background and the X cursor. Is this normal? > > My system: AMD based PC, X having been compiled with some optimizations. > Could that be it? > CFLAGS="-s -O2 -march=pentiumpro -malign-functions=4 > -fexpensive-optimizations -fschedule-insns2 -mwide-multiply > -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 98403 roman 2 0 87660K 75224K select 76:36 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 ... 98406 roman 2 0 2864K 868K select 1:32 0.00% 0.00% blackbox XFree 4.1.0_6 (from the package IIRC), Celeron 700(i815), 128MB RAM AFAIK yes, this is normal. -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 8:25PM up 35 days, 7:08, 21 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.08, 0.07 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:38:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED4337B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24479 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:37:28 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARJcvd37811 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:38:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:38:57 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround (recipe results so far) Message-ID: <20011127193857.GN36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <012101c17750$94e047e0$a50410ac@olmct.net> <20011127144157.GA12429@rhadamanth> <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mkHYMT4O8DyWoHkb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011127155844.GD36710@keyslapper.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --mkHYMT4O8DyWoHkb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 10:58 AM, Louis LeBlanc sat at the `puter and typed: > On 11/27/01 02:41 PM, setantae sat at the `puter and typed: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:34:11AM -0500, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > > > The next time I get this thing I am sending everyone a copy a Norton;) > > > Everyone knows someone stuck a virus on the list, most of us have Ant= i Virus > > > software some do not I think those who do not need to goto download.c= om and > > > get some as you keep sending the virus to the list. Just a thought. > >=20 > > Did anyone knock out a procmail recipe for it yet ? > >=20 > > If so, could you share it please ? > >=20 > > Thanks, > >=20 > > Ceri >=20 > This was recently shared on the procmail users list: >=20 > # Trap BadTrans? (signature as of 11/26/2001) > # > :0 > * > 40000 > * < 50000 > * ^Subject:.*Re: > * > ^Content-Type:.*multipart/related;.*"multipart/alternative";.*boundary=3D= "=3D=3D=3D=3D_ABC1234567890DEF_=3D=3D=3D=3D" > { > :0 B hfi > * ^Content-Type: audio/x-wav; > * ^Content-ID: > * ^Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > | formail -Y -f -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] NOTIFY" \ > -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] QUARANTINE" \ > -A "X-Content-Security: [$HOST] REPORT: Trapped BadTrans worm - see h= ttp://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b@mm.ht= ml" > } > :0A > { FOLDER=3Dspam } >=20 > The first recipe will set headers to tell you that it is the worm, the > second can be used to redirect it. I'm just dumping it into a spam > folder with the other cr@p, but you may want to /dev/null or bounce > it. >=20 > The key is the Content-Type header. Apparently it always uses the same > mime types and the same boundary - with the quotes. Just thought you folks might want to know how I've fared with this particular recipe so far today: Infected messages caught: 14 Infected messages missed: 0 False positives: 0 This is what the attachments look like in mutt: I 1 [multipa/alternativ, 7bit, 0.3K] I 2 `-> [text/html, quoted, iso-8859-1, 0.1K] I 3 docs.DOC.pif [audio/x-wav, base64, 38K] I 4 [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 0.1K] The .pif attachment is the actual virus, and can have various names. I don't know if it's munged from an actual document on a hard drive it's been on, but I've seen such titles as Humor.mp3.pif, me_naked.jpg.pif (LOL) and various other names that don't look random. Looks like it works, tho. Lou PS. You may need to use different formail flags in the pipe used in that recipe. Forgot to mention that in the original post. --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC A Law of Computer Programming: Make it possible for programmers to write in English and you will find that programmers cannot write in English. --mkHYMT4O8DyWoHkb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8A+vReAPWYrNkRWIRAqiMAJ9UQKqAZaqXaO8691g4h5G0mktoGACfb7su H6N2a6Glqp6oN/ciHGOM4ms= =mcxV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mkHYMT4O8DyWoHkb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:47:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDEF37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a065.otenet.gr [212.205.215.65]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARJl2825336; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:47:03 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARJ7D510005; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:07:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:07:13 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Dracopoulos, Dimitris" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cannot boot from floppy and cannot read/write it any more - But it works in Linux somehow Message-ID: <20011127190713.GH8434@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Please do not cross-post. ] On 2001-11-26 18:51:00, Dracopoulos, Dimitris wrote: > > 2) I am not able to read or write a floppy while in FreeBSD (version 4.3). > Using mtools the lights comes on but I keep waiting. Mounting /dev/fd0 has a > similar problem and keep reporting errors periodically. Under no > circumstances I am able to read or write a floppy (I tried the GENERIC > kernel as well). What errors? Can you copy these errors that you see, and paste them in a message to the list? -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 11:47:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4214B37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a065.otenet.gr [212.205.215.65]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARJlB825580; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:47:11 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARIq8909869; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:52:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:52:08 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Bara Zani Cc: Mike Meyer , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011127185208.GF8434@hades.hell.gr> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27 11:36:44, Bara Zani wrote: > Fair enough , > what is your favorite Freebsd mail client ? > one that supports multiple mail accounts ( pop3 ) I'm pulling mail from multiple accounts with fetchmail and stuffing it in my local Sendmail's queue. Then when they are delivered to some local user, procmail knows to do the Right Thing(TM) with the mail that comes from different POP accounts. Mutt (and Pine) support sending mail with custom From: and envelope-from addresses, so that allows me to reply using different `personalities' too. So, that's all you need :) -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:12:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mozone.net (mail.mozone.net [206.165.200.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B475637B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (ts3-22.eden.spacestar.net [206.191.206.129]) by mozone.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fARKC0q02576 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <200111272012.fARKC0q02576@mozone.net> From: "Dan Monica and Peyton" <_dmp@mozone.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: 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(ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7403337B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7611313607; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652B9BA1B; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Linh Pham To: Mathieu Arnold Cc: setantae , FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <3C03AC15.1113F8AF@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <20011127121006.S59319-100000@q.closedsrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27, Mathieu Arnold scribbled: # not a procmail rule, but a postfix:body_check : # /^\s+name="?.*\.(doc|zip|exe|xls|jpg|gif|mp3)\.(scr|pif|bat|com|exe|lnk)"?/ REJECT A more inclusive rule for body_check would be: /^Content-(Disposition|Type): application\/mixed/ REJECT /^Content-(Disposition|Type):.*name="?.*\.(bat|com|pif|vb|exe|lnk|scr|reg|chm|wsh|js|inf|shs|job|ini|shb|scp|scf|wsc|sct|dll)/ REJECT This should cover almost any kind of worm/trojan/virus that might come through. It is quite restrictive, you it can easily be modified by removing the extension and the trailing pipe in the second line. -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] # Every solution breeds new problems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:18:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03AA37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 1652A13607; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00912BA1B; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:18:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:18:44 -0800 (PST) From: Linh Pham To: Mathieu Arnold Cc: setantae , FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <20011127121006.S59319-100000@q.closedsrc.org> Message-ID: <20011127121823.R60016-100000@q.closedsrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27, Linh Pham scribbled: # On 2001-11-27, Mathieu Arnold scribbled: # # # not a procmail rule, but a postfix:body_check : # # /^\s+name="?.*\.(doc|zip|exe|xls|jpg|gif|mp3)\.(scr|pif|bat|com|exe|lnk)"?/ REJECT # # A more inclusive rule for body_check would be: # # /^Content-(Disposition|Type): application\/mixed/ REJECT # /^Content-(Disposition|Type):.*name="?.*\.(bat|com|pif|vb|exe|lnk|scr|reg|chm|wsh|js|inf|shs|job|ini|shb|scp|scf|wsc|sct|dll)/ REJECT # # This should cover almost any kind of worm/trojan/virus that might come # through. It is quite restrictive, you it can easily be modified by # removing the extension and the trailing pipe in the second line. Forgot one line: /^Content-(Disposition|Type): multipart\/related/ REJECT -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] # Every solution breeds new problems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:21: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.zonnet.nl (relay2.zonnet.nl [62.58.50.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B9C37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonnet.nl ([62.59.153.163]) by relay2.zonnet.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNH74V04.YFA for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3C03F491.6085C971@zonnet.nl> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:16:17 +0100 From: Arnout Bruinsma X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0324v (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sir/Lady, I bought a book called Free BSD Unleashed. With it came a cdrom containing disc 1 of Free BSD 4.4 During installation I ran into a partition problem. According to Partition Magic my disk looks like this: =========================================================================================================== Partition Information for Disk 1: 39260.4 Megabytes Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects =========================================================================================================== C:WINDOWS C FAT32 Pri,Boot 3004.3 0 0 63 6,152,832 910,062 5,242,770 ExtendedX Pri 36256.1 0 1 6,152,895 74,252,430 59,279,850 14,972,580 EPBR Log 23.5 None -- 6,152,895 48,195 48,195 0 *:boot Debian Linux Ext2 Log,Boot 23.5 6152895 0 6,152,958 48,132 4,138 43,994 EPBR Log 31.4 6152895 1 6,201,090 64,260 64,260 0 *:boot SuSe Linux Ext2 Log 31.3 6201090 0 6,201,153 64,197 7,293 56,904 EPBR Log 23.5 6201090 1 6,265,350 48,195 48,195 0 Unallocated Log 23.5 6265350 0 6,265,413 48,132 1,558 46,574 EPBR Log 13696.0 6265350 1 6,313,545 28,049,490 28,049,490 0 D:WINDOWS D FAT32 Log 13696.0 6313545 0 6,313,608 28,049,427 1,118,616 26,930,811 EPBR Log 7169.6 6313545 1 34,363,035 14,683,410 14,683,410 0 *:Debian/GNU 2.2Linux Ext2 Log 7169.6 34363035 0 34,363,098 14,683,347 1,255,963 13,427,384 EPBR Log 7004.9 34363035 1 49,046,445 14,346,045 14,346,045 0 *:SuSe Linux 7.0Linux Ext2 Log 7004.9 49046445 0 49,046,508 14,345,982 2,662,750 11,683,232 Free Space Log 7310.8 None -- 63,392,490 14,972,580 0 14,972,580 EPBR Log 996.2 49046445 1 78,365,070 2,040,255 2,040,255 0 *:SWAPSPACE2 Linux Swap Log 996.2 78365070 0 78,365,133 2,040,192 8 2,040,184 In short,my extended partion houses 2 boot partitions,Windows D ,and two operating systems (Debian,SuSe). There is space for a BSD boot partition/1st slice(23,5 Mb) and a root partition/2nd slice (Free space 7+Gb) But the BSD FDISK Partition Editor shows this: Offset Size End name Ptype Desc Subtype 0 63 62 - 6 unused 0 63 6152832 6152894 ad0s1 2 fat 11 6152895 74252430 80405324 ad0s2 4 extended 15 80405325 12915 80418239 - 6 unused 0 It seems I cannot enter the extended partition slice,and it is there that I would like to install BSD ,of course without disturbing my current configuration. As an extremely fresh newbie I apologize beforehand for asking a silly question and I thank you for your time . Getting an answer , though , would help me on my road in search for an operating system that suits me. Bij voorbaat dank, Arnout Bruinsma To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:22:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A84137B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fARKMSZ04623; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:27 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: "'emailrob' spellberg" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: where are the tarballs? In-Reply-To: <3C03E0D8.448A6B11@emailrob.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, 'emailrob' spellberg wrote: You need to install the ports distro: 1) run /stand/sysinstall 2) Select "Do post install conifg of FreeBSD" 3) Select "Install additional distributions sets" 4) Select "ports" 5) Install them! > to whomever can answer this --- > > i've gone through lehey 3rd edition. > > ditto online handbook. > > there is --NO-- /cdrom/ports/distfiles. > > there are no distfiles anywhere > except /usr/ports and it is empty. > > there are no ports on disks 2, 3 or 4. > > i checked 3.2, 4.2 and 4.4. > > make wants a tarball in /usr/ports/distfiles. > > objective: install everything on the cds. > > plan b: install everything perl. > > holy grail: "hello, world" using perl/tk. > > i have run the install script in /cdrom/ports. > i have installed the cvs-repository. > > i buy the cds because all i have is dialup speed. > > q: where are the tarballs? > > the only tarballs i find are in individual packages. > > am i supposed to install packages one-by-one? > > what happens to specifying options? > > what is the current correct procedure > to transfer everything on the cds to hard drive? > > tia > > rob spellberg > harvard, illinois > > emailrob@emailrob.com > > ps: /stand/sysinstall does not recognize > the fbsd disks as fbsd disks. > > also, the mount point is called /cdrom. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:24:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85BA37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Planetes@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.59.13afdfdf (2169) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: Planetes@aol.com Message-ID: <59.13afdfdf.29355076@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:24:22 EST Subject: DEC 21140-AC NIC and FBSD4.4 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 124 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings! Sorry to trouble you but I can't get the FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE kernel to recognize my DEC 21140-AC based SMC (9332BDT). The kernel wants to select the de (tulip) driver which doesn't work with the nic. A kernel with only the dc driver fails to recognize the nic at all. Which list can I post this on? Thanks. /dp Doug Parrish planetes@aol.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:36:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from florida-wireless.com (mailserver.florida-wireless.com [208.62.145.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CE537B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:36:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:39:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200111271539.AA1811349706@florida-wireless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "brain_damaged" Reply-To: To: Subject: without / pages don't come up X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am running apache and php. Seems that if I do not put in / at the end of the http request the pages are 404'd. if the / is at the end pages come up. the pages are php3 and php extensions. How can I fix it ? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:38: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.c.bus.net (65-85-139-3.client.dsl.net [65.85.139.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875CF37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ws100.c.bus.net (ws100.c.bus.net [192.168.1.10]) by mail.c.bus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492CB76308; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cao@localhost) by ws100.c.bus.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fARKbtK70691; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cao) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:54 -0500 From: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: Subhra Banerjee Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: about mounting of floppy Message-ID: <20011127203754.GB70493@bus.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:10:15PM +0530, Subhra Banerjee wrote: > > I am not able to mount the floppy in FreeBSD. > I tried with so many ways but it is replying "incorrect super block". > I loaded FreeBsd in my m/c with VMWare. > Can anyone answer my problem? Sounds like it's a DOS floppy. Try this # mount_msdos /dev/fd0a /mnt Good luck. Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:42: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from vms3.rit.edu (vms3.isc.rit.edu [129.21.3.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CADD37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonic.rit.edu ([66.67.52.29]) by ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41784) with ESMTPA id <01KB7CLG7QE4BG1B9K@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:41:19 EST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:41:16 -0500 From: Matt Penna Subject: Cannot build kde2/kdelibs2 from ports X-Sender: mdp1261@vmspop.isc.rit.edu To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127152750.02604890@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello folks, I checked the archives and found a few problems similar to mine, but was not able to find any suggested solutions. I recently installed 4.4-Release on a clean system with the intention of installing XFree86 4.1 and KDE2 from ports, so I did not install XFree86 3.3.6 during the install. XFree86 4 built, installed and ran just fine, but I cannot seem to build KDE2. I keep getting errors during the build of kdelibs2. I tried the build more than once, updated the ports collection using cvsup, and even did a 'make distclean' on the entire ports tree, but nothing seemed to help. I initially tried the KDE build using WITH_MOTIF=yes, but it does not build without this option, either. I captured the output of the build to a file, and here's where things seem to go wrong: ---- gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2/work/kdelibs-2.2.1/kdoctools' Making all in libxslt gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2/work/kdelibs-2.2.1/kdoctools/libxslt' /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_PTH_H_ -D_PTH_PTHREAD_H_ -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/qt2 -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -O0 -O -pipe -c templates.c cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_PTH_H_ -D_PTH_PTHREAD_H_ -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/qt2 -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -O0 -O -pipe -c templates.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/templates.o gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2/work/kdelibs-2.2.1/kdoctools/libxslt' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2/work/kdelibs-2.2.1/kdoctools' gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2/work/kdelibs-2.2.1' *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdelibs2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde2. ---- Also, when redirecting this output to a file, the following appears on the console: ---- In file included from /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/parser.h:576, from /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/xmlerror.h:4, from templates.c:18: /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/globals.h:70: syntax error before 'xmlGenericErrorFunc' /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/globals.h:217: syntax error before 'xmlGenericError' /usr/local/include/libxml2/libxml/globals.h:217: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gmake[3]: *** [templates.lo] Error 1 gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 ---- Is there something broken in the kde port, or have I made a mistake somewhere? Any suggestions would be appreciated! (This built fine for me a few weeks ago when I was using X 3.3.6.) Matt -- Matt Penna mdp1261@rit.edu ICQ: 399825 S0ba on AOLIM "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're very sophisticated idiots." -Dr. Who To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 12:44:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639D737B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ezri (24129137hfc158.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.137.158]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fARKhpJ01617; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Wade Majors" To: , Subject: RE: without / pages don't come up Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c17784$387f2690$9700a8c0@ezri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 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27 Nov 2001 13:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from arnold (arnold.lan [192.168.1.8]) by marvin.1729.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id WAA31524; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01c17787$eef357e0$0801a8c0@lan.1729.net> From: "Ruben de Groot" To: "Arnout Bruinsma" Cc: References: <3C03F491.6085C971@zonnet.nl> Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:10:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Arnout, Unfortunately you cannot install FreeBSD in an extended partition. A FreeBSD slice is equivalent to a primary (DOS) partition and that's what you'll need to install it. Maybe you can use your Partition Magic to shrink the extended partition and to create another primary partition. good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnout Bruinsma" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: freebsd-questions > Dear Sir/Lady, > > I bought a book called Free BSD Unleashed. > With it came a cdrom containing disc 1 of Free BSD 4.4 > During installation I ran into a partition problem. > According to Partition Magic my disk looks like this: > ============================================================================ =============================== > > Partition Information for Disk 1: 39260.4 Megabytes > Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect > TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects > ============================================================================ =============================== > > C:WINDOWS C FAT32 Pri,Boot 3004.3 0 0 > 63 6,152,832 910,062 5,242,770 > ExtendedX Pri 36256.1 0 1 6,152,895 > 74,252,430 59,279,850 14,972,580 > EPBR Log 23.5 None -- > 6,152,895 48,195 48,195 0 > *:boot Debian Linux Ext2 Log,Boot 23.5 6152895 0 > 6,152,958 48,132 4,138 43,994 > EPBR Log 31.4 6152895 1 > 6,201,090 64,260 64,260 0 > *:boot SuSe Linux Ext2 Log 31.3 6201090 0 > 6,201,153 64,197 7,293 56,904 > EPBR Log 23.5 6201090 1 > 6,265,350 48,195 48,195 0 > Unallocated Log 23.5 6265350 0 > 6,265,413 48,132 1,558 46,574 > EPBR Log 13696.0 6265350 1 6,313,545 > 28,049,490 28,049,490 0 > D:WINDOWS D FAT32 Log 13696.0 6313545 0 6,313,608 > 28,049,427 1,118,616 26,930,811 > EPBR Log 7169.6 6313545 1 34,363,035 > 14,683,410 14,683,410 0 > *:Debian/GNU 2.2Linux Ext2 Log 7169.6 34363035 0 > 34,363,098 14,683,347 1,255,963 13,427,384 > EPBR Log 7004.9 34363035 1 49,046,445 > 14,346,045 14,346,045 0 > *:SuSe Linux 7.0Linux Ext2 Log 7004.9 49046445 0 > 49,046,508 14,345,982 2,662,750 11,683,232 > Free Space Log 7310.8 None -- 63,392,490 > 14,972,580 0 14,972,580 > EPBR Log 996.2 49046445 1 > 78,365,070 2,040,255 2,040,255 0 > *:SWAPSPACE2 Linux Swap Log 996.2 78365070 0 > 78,365,133 2,040,192 8 2,040,184 > > In short,my extended partion houses 2 boot partitions,Windows D ,and two > operating systems (Debian,SuSe). > There is space for a BSD boot partition/1st slice(23,5 Mb) and a root > partition/2nd slice > (Free space 7+Gb) > > But the BSD FDISK Partition Editor shows this: > > Offset Size > End name Ptype > Desc Subtype > > 0 63 > 62 - > 6 unused 0 > 63 6152832 6152894 > ad0s1 2 fat > 11 > 6152895 74252430 80405324 > ad0s2 4 extended 15 > > 80405325 12915 80418239 > - 6 unused > 0 > > It seems I cannot enter the extended partition slice,and it is there > that I would like to install BSD ,of course without disturbing my > current configuration. > As an extremely fresh newbie I apologize beforehand for asking a silly > question and I thank you for your time . > Getting an answer , though , would help me on my road in search for an > operating system that suits me. > > > Bij voorbaat dank, > > Arnout Bruinsma > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:21: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A441737B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from onyx (onyx.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.140.171]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARLKpq23030 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:20:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: Zhihui Zhang X-Sender: zzhang@onyx To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re-obtain the attachment in an email? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am reading some postings in the archive. One of the postings I am reading now is like this: [snip] Regards Xavier --------------010304000009040600000002 Content-Type: application/gzip; name="kmem.tar.gz" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; Content-Disposition: inline; filename="kmem.tar.gz" H4sICEe+cToCA2ttZW0udGFyAO0ba1PbSJKv6Ff0kk2wWGH0sGUb1tkj4Gxxy+MKwt5tJZRL lkZGZ0vySbLBl/Dfr3tmZMsPSMgu3D6sCrKmp2emp9/TUnohC3fWnvaCil6rVmHNsKtGtSJ+ K/gLk0sHqJlWxTLtionPhmFatTWorj3DNUwzJwFYu+06/T5LgvvwEifyvLU/3dUj+Z/88q51 8W7ndyD/Ckoe5W+atrmS/3PLPxxnLM3K7m+9hqHrdqVyr/zNij6Rv2XoNZR/Ra9U10Bfyf/J L+VFELn9ocfg+zTzgrh8/XoW1A86BCsCx+kO/rnIrzls7MjGA5YugsPYG/bZ3ETh2EtGHIYy yAIXgiiDcCznbkfDcO+eriAKMiiN4sBTlY8KQJolQxcR+CptGgJ02+NdTlYesSQN4giakAb/ ZbFfIqhK3TiEnkv46weRV9rgRG2o2qspSpEimoJm9JzMKSNRI6e/p9wpygx9UKKmG3oap5vW FE/9OB4IiqmVsEzMjyu2naSbtjOgH9w18IcyTgG4Iv7s5SCaTO5jAqNpEUY/fCxOTCiCmNIM /Rq8oiF8Y4EPJURVYcCSJE5o7xJzQ83nGSaRoDPfoxNEYns4jauBe+0kW/Q8en8ldjaM0qAb MY93EelNfU9uWDBiQuasPEtiTSKKpv7eUrFFEwIMEhztlzY6jkdLgRsPo+xDtMF3AcBucfS2 [snip] How to convert the above encoded attachment file back into the orginal file, kmem.tar.gz, in this case? Thanks a lot. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:34:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC5037B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (dialin-145-254-043-160.arcor-ip.net [145.254.43.160]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07147 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200111272130.WAA07147@post.webmailer.de> From: "Barbara Ronnebeck" <_barbara@ronnebeck.de> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG 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(cm-fe1.coxmail.com [206.157.231.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707DF37B44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tick.sc.omation.com ([64.58.167.31]) by mta1x04.coxmail.com (InterMail vK.4.03.04.01 201-232-130-101 license c271d808eeaddc9d652e7c0b1383e8cc) with ESMTP id <20011127214445.ZYIC22114.mta1x04@tick.sc.omation.com>; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:44:45 -0500 Received: from tick.sc.omation.com (tick.sc.omation.com [192.168.128.2]) by tick.sc.omation.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARLfcv57942; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:41:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pherman@frenchfries.net) Message-Id: <200111272141.fARLfcv57942@tick.sc.omation.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Herman To: Zhihui Zhang Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re-obtain the attachment in an email? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > I am reading some postings in the archive. One of the postings I am > reading now is like this: > > --------------010304000009040600000002 > Content-Type: application/gzip; > name="kmem.tar.gz" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: inline; > > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="kmem.tar.gz" > Openssl can do base64. Just save the email into a file, and strip all text just leaving the gibberish. Then try: openssl enc -d -a < base64.file.txt > kmem.tar.gz -Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:50:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD7537B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.123.133.10] (helo=there) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 168q3a-0007ai-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:46:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dominic Marks To: Matt Penna , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cannot build kde2/kdelibs2 from ports Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:46:20 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127152750.02604890@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127152750.02604890@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 8:41 pm, Matt Penna wrote: > > Is there something broken in the kde port, or have I made a mistake > somewhere? Any suggestions would be appreciated! (This built fine > for me a few weeks ago when I was using X 3.3.6.) > > Matt The introduction of a newer version of libxml2 broke this part of KDE. This has by your own admission been mentioned many times before and a fix has been supplied. If you like, search through the archives and find this fix. Or you could wait a little while and get KDE 2.2.2 which I hear will be introduced soon. 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majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:53:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393F737B420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from onyx (onyx.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.140.171]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARLnOq18745; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:49:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: Zhihui Zhang X-Sender: zzhang@onyx To: Paul Herman Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re-obtain the attachment in an email? In-Reply-To: <200111272141.fARLfcv57942@tick.sc.omation.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks. It works! On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Paul Herman wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > > I am reading some postings in the archive. One of the postings I am > > reading now is like this: > > > > --------------010304000009040600000002 > > Content-Type: application/gzip; > > name="kmem.tar.gz" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > Content-Disposition: inline; > > > > Content-Disposition: inline; > > filename="kmem.tar.gz" > > > > Openssl can do base64. Just save the email into a file, and strip > all text just leaving the gibberish. Then try: > > openssl enc -d -a < base64.file.txt > kmem.tar.gz > > -Paul. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:53:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from indigo.quadrant.net (indigo.quadrant.net [207.195.92.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3543337B41E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from git2000 (56K82.quadrant.net [207.195.92.82]) by indigo.quadrant.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06751 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:53:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Scott Gerhardt" To: "FreeBSD" Subject: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:52:51 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for composing and replying to messages. I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: - Use a meaningful subject line - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical discussion where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. - Use white space to make messages more legible. - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. - Scott _________________________________ Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. Gerhardt Information Technologies _________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:54:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FE237B422 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from 66-44-58-84.s84.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.58.84] helo=sten.alder.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 168q79-0004XJ-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:50:03 -0500 Received: by sten.alder.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:49:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:49:37 -0500 From: "Bob Hall" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost>; from davidk@accretivetg.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote: > What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering > out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit > there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back > up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining > lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see > which is cheaper. :-) There's a relatively small, local ISP in my area called Erols. They keep three people on staff to deal with spam. (Check their web site.) Erols competes on price and is too small to have money to waste on something that doesn't either return a profit or save more money than it costs. If it's cheaper to ignore spam, why do small ISPs with razor thin margins bother to deal with it aggressively? Bob Hall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:55:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from idk.com (idk.com [65.104.9.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D83737B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tony@localhost) by idk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08579; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Message-Id: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com> Subject: removing last line To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I need a way of removing just the last line in a text file using a csh script. Any ideas? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 13:59:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from idk.com (idk.com [65.104.9.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9B937B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tony@localhost) by idk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08605 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Message-Id: <200111272159.NAA08605@idk.com> Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Gerhardt" at Nov 27, 2001 03:52:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about also keeping the line length < 75 characters? Tony > > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? > I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for composing > and replying to messages. > > > I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: > > - Use a meaningful subject line > > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. > > - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical discussion > where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. > > - Use white space to make messages more legible. > > - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. > > > - Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. > Gerhardt Information Technologies > _________________________________ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C1937B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARM1W281704; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup question In-Reply-To: <20011127162503.GA8434@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am probably missing something but as I read your example I do not think that was my point. There should be no timing issue. In my example all time are Zulu. Using the cvsup date tag format: at 2001.11.25.15 (or later) I ran a cvsup with no date tag. I observed that the latest mod I picked up was 2001.11.24.19+. So to get something that (I thought) would be reproducible I ran another cvsup with a tag of 2001.11.25.00.00.00. Much earlier than the time of the 2nd cvsup. I did not get tags anywhere near the boundary times rather I got: Add delta 1.291.2.22 2001.11.02.16.45.05 Add delta 1.74.2.6 2001.11.23.13.13.19 Add delta 1.5 99.08.28.01.01.30 Add delta 1.5.2.2 2001.07.22.12.40.55 Add delta 1.4 99.08.28.01.16.04 I do not know how long it takes the mirrors to sync but I suspect it is less than 5 months ;) and I would hope for better than 2 days. This analysis lead me to conclude the date tag tests the CVS line in the file, e.g.: the "* $FreeBSD: " line. Not when the file actually arrives. The timestamps of the source files themselves suggest they were added after my date tag limit, but with CVS timestamps that made them valid to include. If that is correct then no date tag guarantees a consistent result. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2001-11-25 23:06:10, doug wrote: > > All of the modules listed below were commited in the time between my cvsup > > runs. The date tag apparently works on what is put in the CVS version line > > not when the commit is really made. > > > > So using date= does not really mean no new updates will be > > picked up. > > Yes, this can happen. If you are user ``X'' sitting at a FreeBSD > terminal somewhere in the world, and ``S'' is your favorite CVSup > server, with ``C'' being the cvsup-master which grabs the changes from > the repository, the following timelines show how this things can > happen. > > The small letters `a', `b' and `c' indicate deltas that are committed > and grabbed by ``C'' the cvsup master. The lines marked with two > stars at the beginning are points in time that ``X'' fires up CVSup. [cut] > As you can see from this simple timeline, the user at ``X'' has > started his first CVSup session *after* the second delta reached the > CVSup master server, and asked for all the changes that were older > than the current date. Since this particular delta had not reached > his favorite CVSup mirror, he didn't get to grab it until the second > time he fired up CVSup though :) > > -giorgos > > _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14: 7:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7C637B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fARM7Ts00545; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:07:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <014f01c1778f$eb5c7be0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Jae Carlson" , "freebsd-questions" References: <008501c1776c$3b364430$010aa8c0@my.net> Subject: Re: Bad e-mail addiess Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:07:28 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a simpler solution: I've just set up my e-mail client to route all messages above 15 KB in size to a special folder, where I can examine them later. The very vast majority of legitimate e-mails are small and contain only text, and easily escape this filter, whereas e-mails with dangerous attachments are trapped by it. Periodically I look at the folder, and if I see a message that looks suspicious, I examine the raw message content before opening it, to see what it contains (on Outlook Express, you can right-click, then Properties, then Details, then Message source to see the actual content of the message without officially opening it--this does not execute anything the message might contain). There's no point in filtering specific senders because very often they are not aware that they have a virus sending e-mails on their behalf, and in any case, it often sends a virus to a given recipient just once. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jae Carlson" To: "freebsd-questions" Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 18:52 Subject: Bad e-mail addiess > warning if you get mail from these people do not open contains viruses > > _philippe.rambour@pixelsystems.fr > "_hcch314"@cse.unsw.edu.au > _azdolls@earthlink.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14: 8:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from vdsi.net (vdsi.net [206.67.5.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFAA37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from xpress (user50.cymtec.com [63.113.67.50]) by vdsi.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA34497 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:08:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rseals@vdsi.net) From: "Ray Seals" To: "Freebsd-Questions" Subject: Cvs-supfile question Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:07:49 -0600 Message-ID: <005401c17790$05bf3ea0$3401170a@htc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just completed my first cvs source synch (From 4.4 RC to 4.4 Release), build world and make world. Everything seems to have gone well, but I have a couple of questions. My cvsup file has the following lines: Base=/usr Prefix=/home/ncvs It downloaded all the new sources into /home/ncvs/src. After I do the make buildworld and make installworld, does it copy the src directory from /home/ncvs/src to /usr/src? Is this something I need to do manually? Is that also true for the ports collection? Thanks, Ray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:12:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F57537B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01783 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:11:35 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fARMD5938102 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:13:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:13:05 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Bad e-mail addiess Message-ID: <20011127221305.GP36710@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions References: <008501c1776c$3b364430$010aa8c0@my.net> <014f01c1778f$eb5c7be0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tjOMJDssiV0CZSJH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <014f01c1778f$eb5c7be0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --tjOMJDssiV0CZSJH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/27/01 11:07 PM, Anthony Atkielski sat at the `puter and typed: > I have a simpler solution: I've just set up my e-mail client to route all > messages above 15 KB in size to a special folder, where I can examine them > later. The very vast majority of legitimate e-mails are small and contai= n only > text, and easily escape this filter, whereas e-mails with dangerous attac= hments > are trapped by it. Periodically I look at the folder, and if I see a mes= sage > that looks suspicious, I examine the raw message content before opening i= t, to > see what it contains (on Outlook Express, you can right-click, then Prope= rties, > then Details, then Message source to see the actual content of the message > without officially opening it--this does not execute anything the message= might > contain). >=20 > There's no point in filtering specific senders because very often they ar= e not > aware that they have a virus sending e-mails on their behalf, and in any = case, > it often sends a virus to a given recipient just once. Or better yet, use procmail. I posted an effective recipe in another thread on this list just today. The recipe was posted by someone else on the procmail list earlier today. I haven't seen a single infected message and haven't had a single valid message tossed since I installed it. L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute -- and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity. -- Albert Einstein --tjOMJDssiV0CZSJH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BA/xeAPWYrNkRWIRApBFAJ9JCYms2eLYjl3/ON4Zrrg6X3bwvACfdkW9 4lVnatW2eAdMQJEzXiyYBck= =74UG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjOMJDssiV0CZSJH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:20:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C9237B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07158; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:20:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:20:10 -0600 To: "Bob Hall" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: this spam In-Reply-To: <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> References: <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bob: Just because they are doing it doesn't justify it.... it's because their survival is on the edge that they are trying very hard to satisfy those customers who complain. I know at least one of the largest ISPs who will tell you that while they understand spam is undesirable, they "are still trying to figure out a method of dealing with it"... that was a long time ago and nothing yet. They recognize the dilemma of filtering emails for customers will make some unhappy and not filtering on some basis will make some unhappy.... alas, the financial outlook for the small ISP is rather bleak in trying not to lose a much-needed customer... but, not only because of spam, but a loss of a single customer means much more to the small company than the large one everytime. At 04:49 PM 11.27.2001 -0500, Bob Hall wrote: >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote: >> What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering >> out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit >> there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back >> up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining >> lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see >> which is cheaper. :-) > >There's a relatively small, local ISP in my area called Erols. They >keep three people on staff to deal with spam. (Check their web site.) >Erols competes on price and is too small to have money to waste on >something that doesn't either return a profit or save more money than >it costs. If it's cheaper to ignore spam, why do small ISPs with >razor thin margins bother to deal with it aggressively? > >Bob Hall > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:22:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw3a.lmco.com (mailgw3a.lmco.com [192.35.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A97237B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from emss01g01.ems.lmco.com ([129.197.181.54]) by mailgw3a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19202 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #38886) id <0GNH00801CSQG4@lmco.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cui1.lmms.lmco.com ([129.197.1.64]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #38886) with ESMTP id <0GNH00NNECSLPD@lmco.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmco.com (CONNECTICUT1.lmms.lmco.com [129.197.23.84]) by cui1.lmms.lmco.com (8.11.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id fARMLu608408 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:21:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:22:05 -0800 From: rick norman Subject: Re: this spam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <3C04120C.58F8D495@lmco.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Spam is in the eye of the beholder. I would hate to think someone upstream from me was deciding what was good for me to eat. I especially like spam musabi. Rick Bob Hall wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote: > > What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering > > out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit > > there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back > > up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining > > lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see > > which is cheaper. :-) > > There's a relatively small, local ISP in my area called Erols. They > keep three people on staff to deal with spam. (Check their web site.) > Erols competes on price and is too small to have money to waste on > something that doesn't either return a profit or save more money than > it costs. If it's cheaper to ignore spam, why do small ISPs with > razor thin margins bother to deal with it aggressively? > > Bob Hall > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:25:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E2037B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168qfT-000Ktw-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:25:31 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id 7055D110B; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:18:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:18:57 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: removing last line Message-ID: <20011127231857.A1032@raggedclown.net> References: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:55:43PM -0800, Tony wrote: > I need a way of removing just the last line in a text file using a csh > script. > > Any ideas? > Well, here is a non csh script that will do it, change as needed. ed file <; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from karnickel.franken.de (karnickel-gate.ip6w.franken.de [3ffe:400:320:3:103::]) by hamster.franken.de (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARMQbX97665 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:26:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tanis@gaspode.franken.de) Received: from gaspode.franken.de (gaspode.franken.de [193.141.110.49]) by karnickel.franken.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fARMQbp70850 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:26:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tanis@gaspode.franken.de) Received: (from tanis@localhost) by gaspode.franken.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARMQaC04699 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0100 (envelope-from tanis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0100 From: German Tischler To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: double isa to pccard bridge Message-ID: <20011127232636.A4642@gaspode.franken.de> References: <20011127144506.A1581@gaspode.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011127144506.A1581@gaspode.franken.de>; from tanis@gaspode.franken.de on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:45:06PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:45:06PM +0100, German Tischler wrote: > Hi. > > I have a machine setup, in which I have two isa to pccard bridge cards. > Both are apparently found by the kernel, because they appear in the dmesg > output, one at port 0x3e0, the second at port 0x3e2. The inserted cards > in slot 0 and 2 are also reported by the kernel (the second slot is > not accessable on the bridge cards, thus slot 1 is empty). The cards > appear at different memory locations, one at 0xd0000 the other at > 0xd4000. btw. this machine is running 4.3-20010804-STABLE. The > problem starts with pccardd. It says > > No free configuration for card Lucent Technologies > > for the second card (both cards are of the same type) > > Is there a way to get the second card working ? The main problem > seems to be the two different io ranges, because the pccardmem > option of pccardc seems to set a system wide adress (please tell > me this is not true...) It seems it was. 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------=_B0PZXgJt_sJ2CBxtZ_MA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:31:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from openrelay.msu.edu (openrelay.msu.edu [35.9.98.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A52D37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from works ([65.194.248.251]) by openrelay.msu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fARMJNp64683 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:19:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from raiden23@netzero.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20011127173549.00984e70@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: raiden23@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:37:04 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Lord Raiden Subject: This stupid BadTrans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Man, I'm really getting tired of this stupid badtrans virus. Does anyone know the little worm who keeps sending it? I'd like to get him to stop this nonsence cause I'm tired of getting bombarded with that worthless virus. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:33: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AC337B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112vp95.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.229.37] helo=FRANKENFURTER) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168njc-0003Xr-00; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:17:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:23:38 -0800 From: Brian Sobolak X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Personal Reply-To: Brian Sobolak X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> To: Mike Meyer Cc: "Bara Zani" , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi Tuesday, November 27, 2001, 8:42:09 AM, you wrote: MM> [Context lost because of top posting.] MM> Bara Zani types: >> Fair enough , >> what is your favorite Freebsd mail client ? >> one that supports multiple mail accounts ( pop3 ) MM> vm. It supports multiple pop and imap account as well as Unix system MM> accounts. It also supports multiple active folders, dynamic virtual MM> folders, multiple windows for each folder and/or summary, and can run MM> on a text console. Is it in the ports? brian -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:34:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.lan-ks.de (uranus.lan-ks.de [194.45.71.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5353A37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.lan-ks.de (pluto.lan-ks.de [194.45.71.78]) by uranus.lan-ks.de (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fARMX2x29490; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:33:02 +0100 (envelope-from evermann@pluto.lan-ks.de) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "N. Evermann" To: Gary Jennejohn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD4.4 ,i4b +ELSA PCC16 ISDN Card; ISDND153 ERR Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:34:55 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: evermann@pluto.lan-ks.de References: <01112221561600.00642@pluto.lan-ks.de> <01112422434600.00894@pluto.lan-ks.de> <200111242257.fAOMv1d09532@peedub.muc.de> In-Reply-To: <200111242257.fAOMv1d09532@peedub.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112723345500.00627@pluto.lan-ks.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday 24 November 2001 23:56, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Saturday 24 November 2001 22:54, N. Evermann wrote: > > On Friday 23 November 2001 00:35, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 November 2001 22:33, N. Evermann wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > anyone known the Kernel isic0 flags for PCC16 ELSA ISDN > > > > CARD? Flags 20 + 19 not accept! > > > > > > > > Understand my littlebit english? > > > > > > /sys/i386/include/i4b_ioctl.h:#define CARD_TYPEP_PCC16 20 > > > /* ELSA PCC-16*/ > > > > > > Should be 20. > > > > Is correctly! > > > > What is the base of boot messages > > "isic0: attach, > > unknown flags 20" > > This weill happen if you forgot ``options ELSA_PCC16" in the > kernel configuration file. not understand? Have anyone a bugfix for ELSA PCC16 ISDN Card, under FreeBSD 4.4? -- Norbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:37:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBAB37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-218.wobline.de [212.68.69.229]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fARMbgv01435; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:37:42 +0100 Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARMcxt58509; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:38:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by jodie.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fARMbS617977; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:38:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:37:28 +0100 (CET) From: Nils Holland To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011127232934.P17966-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. Well, I actually disagree with this point. I do not like to put my replies *above* the original messages. Instead, I use to cut the piece of the original message to which I am replying to reasonable size and write my reply below it (just as I did right now). I find this scheme useful, since if there are multiple points in any given message to which I would like to say something, the whole thing looks more like a conversation (question 1 followed by answer 1, question 2 followed by answer 2, etc) and anybody not familiar with the original message still knows easily what exactly is going on. However, I would of course not require others to adopt to this scheme. There are many ways things can be done, and your suggestion, putting a reply on top of the original message, can work just as well. In my opinion, the biggest mistake that can actually be made is quoting a *long* message in full and then replying to it. When the text you added in your reply is shorter than the ammount of text you quoted, you most likely did something wrong... Greetings Nils Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:38:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com (roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com [66.66.72.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCD137B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 760DB901A03; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:29:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:29:35 -0500 From: mpd To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011127172935.A33300@rit.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from scott@gerhardt-it.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:52:51PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:52:51PM -0600, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? > I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for composing > and replying to messages. > > > I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: > > - Use a meaningful subject line i wish people were born with the knowledge of this one. emails to this list with no subject get deleted immediately on this end. > > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. should we be advocating top-posting here? i for one will never do this. scrolling shouldn't be necessary unless all of the information is 0, or someone hasn't cut out the non-important bits. > > - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical discussion > where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. > > - Use white space to make messages more legible. > > - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. sounds good. > > > - Scott > also, max line length of 72 or so chars to allow several levels of indenting for replies. but actually enforcing rules like that is probably too draconian for this list. mike -- ___________________________________________________________ I'm more quotable than Mark Twain and 0 combined. - me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:42:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvm.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBD337B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.0-025 #39332) id <01KB8IJVK2OG989BY2@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:42:36 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from student.canterbury.ac.nz (rbm49.tacacs.canterbury.ac.nz [172.31.164.87]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.0-025 #39332) with ESMTP id <01KB8IJVFNX88WYLEJ@it.canterbury.ac.nz>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:42:37 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from rbm49 by student.canterbury.ac.nz with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 168qyA-0003t8-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:44:50 +1300 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:44:50 +1300 From: Richard B Mahoney Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-reply-to: <"from scott"@gerhardt-it.com> To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: Subscribers to FreeBSD-Questions Reply-To: Richard B Mahoney Mail-Followup-To: Scott Gerhardt , Subscribers to FreeBSD-Questions Message-id: <20011128114450.B14104@student.canterbury.ac.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Scott, On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 03:52:51PM -0600, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? I > think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for > composing and replying to messages. The best advice I have seen is at : http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1855.html Many regards, Richard Mahoney -- +----------------------- Richard Mahoney -----------------------+ | 78 Jeffreys Rd +64-3-351-5831 | | Christchurch New Zealand | +--------------[mailto:rbm49@it.canterbury.ac.nz]---------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.anchoragerescue.org (cable-115-7-237-24.anchorageak.net [24.237.7.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E8637B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (galaxy.anchoragerescue.org [24.237.7.95]) by nebula.anchoragerescue.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9552B51D; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:59 -0900 (AKST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Beech Rintoul To: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Cannot build kde2/kdelibs2 from ports Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:49:59 -0900 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127152750.02604890@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127152750.02604890@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011127224959.9552B51D@nebula.anchoragerescue.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:41 am, you wrote: > Hello folks, > > I checked the archives and found a few problems similar to mine, but was > not able to find any suggested solutions. > > I recently installed 4.4-Release on a clean system with the intention of > installing XFree86 4.1 and KDE2 from ports, so I did not install XFree86 > 3.3.6 during the install. XFree86 4 built, installed and ran just fine, but > I cannot seem to build KDE2. I keep getting errors during the build of > kdelibs2. I tried the build more than once, updated the ports collection > using cvsup, and even did a 'make distclean' on the entire ports tree, but > nothing seemed to help. I initially tried the KDE build using > WITH_MOTIF=yes, but it does not build without this option, either. > (snip) > Is there something broken in the kde port, or have I made a mistake > somewhere? Any suggestions would be appreciated! (This built fine for me a > few weeks ago when I was using X 3.3.6.) > > Matt The problem is with the update of libxml2. You can fix the compile error by moving the first include in xlmerror.h to above the ifndef. Or wait a couple of days, kde-2.2.2 will be out shortly. Beech ------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - IT Manager - Instructor - akbeech@anchoragerescue.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Anchorage Gospel Rescue Mission \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | P.O. Box 230510 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99523-0510 / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:50:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nbrewer.com (sparge.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBED37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 371174B71A1; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:50:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:46:51 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Tony Subject: Re: removing last line Message-ID: <20011127164649.A92146@northernbrewer.com> References: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com>; from tony@idk.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:55:43PM -0800 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony (tony@idk.com) wrote: > I need a way of removing just the last line in a text file using a csh > script. > > Any ideas? #!/bin/csh set count = `cat $1 | wc -l`; @ newcount = $count - 1; head -n $newcount $1 -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:54:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EDA37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from columbia ([12.93.210.145]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011127225444.ULYK28078.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@columbia>; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:54:44 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Scott Gerhardt" , "FreeBSD" Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c17795$fbec89e0$6600000a@ach.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Gerhardt > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:53 PM > Subject: Email Etiquette on this list > > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? > I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling > for composing > and replying to messages. > > I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: > > - Use a meaningful subject line This would help. Additionally, if people could modify subject lines when the subject of the e-mail begins to stray from the original post, that would be great as it would signal new content. > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse > chronological order. WRONG. By TOP posting, you lose the contextual value of the remarks that have been made along the length of the thread. > - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical > discussion > where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. Guilty as charged, but I do agree. There are times where discussions stray here and keep going so far afield that a number of people lose interest and you're left with a couple of talking heads going back and forth about what widget works best. When posting to the list, you need to keep in mind that this is FreeBSD-Questions... thusly, posts should relate to FreeBSD and have content along the lines of questions (imagine that!) and answers... --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:58:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.anchoragerescue.org (cable-115-7-237-24.anchorageak.net [24.237.7.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA7D37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (galaxy.anchoragerescue.org [24.237.7.95]) by nebula.anchoragerescue.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25DCD51D; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:58:09 -0900 (AKST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Beech Rintoul To: "Scott Gerhardt" , "FreeBSD" Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:58:08 -0900 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011127225809.25DCD51D@nebula.anchoragerescue.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 12:52 pm, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? > I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for > composing and replying to messages. > > > I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: > > - Use a meaningful subject line > > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological > order. > > - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical discussion > where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. > > - Use white space to make messages more legible. > > - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. > > > - Scott > From Greg Lehey: How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - IT Manager - Instructor - akbeech@anchoragerescue.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Anchorage Gospel Rescue Mission \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | P.O. Box 230510 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99523-0510 / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 14:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708E337B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 6D2767D04F; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:59:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:59:41 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Intel Ethernet card. Message-ID: <20011127235941.A3046@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cheers! Does anyone know whether FreeBSD support an Intel Ethernet Card Pro/100S desktop adapter with management support? I had a look at the hardware list but could not find this particular model. Any help appreciated. Best regards, gregory -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15: 3:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84DB37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com ([24.6.228.202]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011127230347.ENEX28048.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:03:47 -0800 In-reply-to: <20011127232934.P17966-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net>; from nils@tisys.org on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:37:28PM +0100 Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit References: <20011127232934.P17966-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> To: FreeBSD From: Sean LeBlanc X-mda: Mail::Internet Mail::Sendmail Sendmail +mmhack 1.1 on Linux Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-version: 1.0 User-agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Content-disposition: inline Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:10:22 -0700 Message-id: <20011127161022.A2124@hostwiththemost> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-27 23:37, Nils Holland wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > > > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. > Well, I actually disagree with this point. I do not like to put my replies > *above* the original messages. Instead, I use to cut the piece of the > original message to which I am replying to reasonable size and write my > reply below it (just as I did right now). I find this scheme useful, since > if there are multiple points in any given message to which I would like to > say something, the whole thing looks more like a conversation (question 1 > followed by answer 1, question 2 followed by answer 2, etc) and anybody > not familiar with the original message still knows easily what exactly is > going on. Couldn't agree more with this. I really dislike reading top posters' stuff. It's too distracting, esp. when others in the thread followed more traditional email/Usenet protocol, and not MS Outlook's. It's also easier to make out the attribs. But this is, of course, a holy war - I've seen many diatribes going back and forth about this on a linux newsgroup just recently...it may *still* be going on, for all I know. :) It probably has more to do with the first style one saw or used than the actual technical merits...much like Strousoup(sp?) bracing style vs. traditional C bracing style in coding of C/C++/Java/other C-like languages. Anyway, the other points of Scott's I agree with. -- Sean LeBlanc:seanleblanc@home.com Yahoo:seanleblancathome ICQ:138565743 MSN:seanleblancathome AIM:sleblancathome To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. Management QOTD:It's a moot point until we actually increase the technology advantage and examine where the rubber meets the road on the corporate memory. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15: 8:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BB937B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168rL0-000NPJ-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:08:26 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id 4C2D2110E; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:05:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:05:50 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011128000550.A1687@raggedclown.net> References: <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> <3C04120C.58F8D495@lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C04120C.58F8D495@lmco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, For fun I just did a google search for "get rich quick" Google found "about 800,000" pages in 0.8 seconds. So spammers, I already know where to look :) I didn't try "porno" or "refugee needs bank account to move $100,000,000 from war-ravaged homeland" but I don't doubt I will find just a few references if I did. I am not entirely sure it is the job of an ISP to filter out spam. On the other hand if they end up with pissed-off or offended customers, or they are a small outfit with limited resources they may want to. I know my ISP will shut you down in 5 minutes if they see you are an open-relay. There are tools to help limit spam, maybe in an imperfect world that is the best we can do. Use blacklists, have mail reject rules in your MTA, use procmail, make sure you cannot be used as a relay. I know some people think this is OT for this kind of list, but it is a problem for anyone on any list, and I feel it is legitimate to try and spread ideas on fighting this horrendous waste of time and resources. Anyway, an outfit called lucky.com inundates me with mail once a week or so sent to invented user names, it is sweet to see them in my reject mailing list report :) -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:10:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from msv1.skz.or.jp (m1.skz.or.jp [210.229.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B1937B506 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from n150 ([210.153.235.60]) by msv1.skz.or.jp (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2J release 205-101-J ID# 1001-61949U1000L2S100J) with SMTP id AAA185 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:46:54 +0900 Message-ID: <001701c17798$d47d4b80$8fc6fea9@n150> From: "Yuki(Technet)" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:11:15 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is absolutely my first time to try to install FreeBSD. There must be a lot of things to know in prior to it; however, first of all, I would like to confirm the following stuff: 1. Hard Disk Space needed -- if, especially, install entire components 2. compatible Hardware Components if some cannot work, such as NIC or whatever 3. required memory and CPU ETC. Well, before installing it, I need to know the environment regarding Hardware. In addition, Japanese version must have more restriction than English version itself, which you might not aware of, though. In such a case, just let me know about English version. Thanks p.s. I am writing this message before I read all documents available at your site. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:12:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1118237B448 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a127.otenet.gr [212.205.215.127]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARNCK818996; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:12:20 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARNCLL12688; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:12:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:12:20 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: doug@safeport.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup question Message-ID: <20011127231220.GB11957@hades.hell.gr> References: <20011127162503.GA8434@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27 17:01:32, doug@safeport.com wrote: > I am probably missing something but as I read your example I do not > think that was my point. Oh pardon me, the timelines were probably a misunderstanding of mine. > There should be no timing issue. In my example > all time are Zulu. > > Using the cvsup date tag format: at 2001.11.25.15 (or later) I ran a > cvsup with no date tag. I observed that the latest mod I picked up was > 2001.11.24.19+. So to get something that (I thought) would be > reproducible I ran another cvsup with a tag of 2001.11.25.00.00.00. > Much earlier than the time of the 2nd cvsup. > > I did not get tags anywhere near the boundary times rather I got: > > Add delta 1.291.2.22 2001.11.02.16.45.05 > Add delta 1.74.2.6 2001.11.23.13.13.19 > Add delta 1.5 99.08.28.01.01.30 > Add delta 1.5.2.2 2001.07.22.12.40.55 > Add delta 1.4 99.08.28.01.16.04 This seems definitely wrong. Especially the deltas from 99.08.28.*. I hope this is not a bug in CVSup that bites you. What version of CVSup are you running. There was an update this autumn, for a bug caused by the 1-billionth second. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:17:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DEB37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a127.otenet.gr [212.205.215.127]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fARNHh824361; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:17:43 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARNHim12759; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:17:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:17:44 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Sean LeBlanc Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Emacs Backspace/DEL on the FreeBSD console (was: Re: Getting keys mapped correctly) Message-ID: <20011127231744.GC11957@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27 12:04:48, Sean LeBlanc wrote: > > Backspace still doesn't work on Emacs (well, technically, it does, it brings > up help, but who wants that? :) ), but I think I know how to fix that... > Thanks for the help. Sometimes it just takes someone else to say or write > something, and a spark goes off. Or at least a glow. Instead of remapping ^H in Emacs to 'backward-delete-char (and lose all the usefulness of bringing up help), I solved this problem by firing up Emacs inside a screen(1) session, which has it's terminal type set to TERM=vt220. This way, pressing DEL does the Right Thing(TM) for me, and calls 'backward-delete-char and BackSpace or C-h still brings up help. The advantages I've found in using screen(1) on the console are many more than this of course, since now I can detach the screen and leave, I can telnet/ssh/whatever to linux or solaris machines and with my TERM=vt220 do everything without caring about TERM settings, etc etc. But I like living in a monochrome world, and that might be a hell for anyone else. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:27:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30537B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168rd5-000Ns8-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:27:07 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id 99F6F110C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:26:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:26:20 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail [ was no subject ] Message-ID: <20011128002620.A4494@raggedclown.net> References: <001701c17798$d47d4b80$8fc6fea9@n150> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001701c17798$d47d4b80$8fc6fea9@n150> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:11:15AM +0900, Yuki(Technet) wrote: > This is absolutely my first time to try to install FreeBSD. There must be a > lot of things to know in prior to it; however, first of all, I would like to > confirm the following stuff: > > 1. Hard Disk Space needed -- if, especially, install entire components > > 2. compatible Hardware Components if some cannot work, such as NIC or > whatever > > 3. required memory and CPU > > ETC. > > Well, before installing it, I need to know the environment regarding > Hardware. In addition, Japanese version must have more restriction than > English version itself, which you might not aware of, though. In such a > case, just let me know about English version. > > Thanks > > p.s. I am writing this message before I read all documents available at your > site. > First of all take a good look around the website, there is plenty to see and you will find answers to many of your questions there. You will find people much more responsive and helpful if you ask questions *after* doing some initial research. Secondly *always* put a "Subject" in your emails. Many people will simply delete emails with no subject in them without reading them -- this is a very busy list. So do some research and then return with specific questions. Good luck ! -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:30:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from visar.norris-net.com (adsl-156-81-152.asm.bellsouth.net [66.156.81.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4728D37B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from derrick@localhost) by visar.norris-net.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fARNUHh31082 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:30:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from derrick) Message-Id: <200111272330.fARNUHh31082@visar.norris-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Derrick Norris Reply-To: denorris@bellsouth.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ATA drive manufacturers and write caching Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:30:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have read documentation and followed several discussions about the performance benefits of enabling write caching on ATA hard drives vs. the inherent risks. Saw several statements to the effect that some drives "lie" about whether/when the data in their cache was actually written to the platter, thus potentially causing problems. Does anyone have information about particular drive manufacturers or models that exhibit this behavior, or was it just a general statement about ATA drives? Thanks, Derrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:32:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B3A37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-25-8.nyc.rr.com [24.168.25.8]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id fARNbkFX024257; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:37:47 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011127182442.00c4c940@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:32:41 -0500 To: "Yuki(Technet)" , From: Scott Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <001701c17798$d47d4b80$8fc6fea9@n150> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:11 2001/11/28 +0900, Yuki(Technet) wrote: >This is absolutely my first time to try to install FreeBSD. There must be a >lot of things to know in prior to it; however, first of all, I would like to >confirm the following stuff: > >1. Hard Disk Space needed -- if, especially, install entire components > >2. compatible Hardware Components if some cannot work, such as NIC or >whatever > >3. required memory and CPU > >ETC. > >Well, before installing it, I need to know the environment regarding >Hardware. In addition, Japanese version must have more restriction than >English version itself, which you might not aware of, though. In such a >case, just let me know about English version. Some of this is easily available, (nihongo de mo) at the site. I haven't tried a Japanese version--in general (judging from experience with Linux) adding Japanese support increases the amount of disk space by a bit more than you might expect, probably because of the fonts. (Although I've never made a scientific study of this, in MS, for example, I see that a roman letter font is about 300k vs. 8.7 Megs for a Japanese font.) Judging from Linux, which might or might not be applicable, a Japanese install takes up more room, but otherwise seems to be about the same, as far as hardware recognition, etc. I'm in NYC, so, when I get a Japanese version of something, it's from a NYC bookstore--therefore, although it might be a little less current than the English equivalent, that's probably because its a CD included in a magazine that is a few months old). It might help if you gave your hardware specification, then people who had experience with that hardware can say, yes, this works, no, this didn't work, or maybe, but I had trouble getting it to work. HTH Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:43:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A4C37B447 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA50753; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:43:25 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling > when following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse > chronological order. This has to be the worst habit I have EVER seen. How would you like to read a book where the first paragraph was at the end of the book and each subsequent paragraph came before it until you finally got to the beginning of the book, while each individual paragraph maintains the standard downward flow of text. That would be a pain in the arse. The natural flow of the entire e-mail should be just like anything else we write in this world (in English, at least), which is DOWN. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, and ARM architectures under development - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:45:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C342137B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA25378566; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:15:15 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:15:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Beech Rintoul Cc: Scott Gerhardt , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011128101515.F51146@monorchid.lemis.com> References: <20011127225809.25DCD51D@nebula.anchoragerescue.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011127225809.25DCD51D@nebula.anchoragerescue.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 27 November 2001 at 13:58:08 -0900, Beech Rintoul wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 12:52 pm, Scott Gerhardt wrote: >> Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? >> I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling for >> composing and replying to messages. >> >> I typically do the following protocol for messages, suggestions welcome: >> >> - Use a meaningful subject line Yes. >> - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when >> following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological >> order. No. Post replies where they belong. *That* saves scrolling. If you put a reply some distance from the text to which it refers, it's difficult to see the correlation. Putting them before the text to which they refer, rather than after, is also the wrong way round. If the text is still there, it should be intended to be read, so you'll need to scroll anyway. >> - Compose in question/answer format and avoid long philosophical discussion >> where possible or take the long winded disscussions off the list. >> >> - Use white space to make messages more legible. >> >> - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. These are all good, and in the reference below. > From Greg Lehey: > How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. > > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. Note that this gets sent to the list once a week. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:46:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (cfedde.dsl.frii.net [216.17.139.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4F437B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fedde.littleton.co.us (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fARNkBN20389; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200111272346.fARNkBN20389@fedde.littleton.co.us> To: Jim Conner Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FBSD 4.2 REL and Ethernet 802.11b PCMCIA NIC suggestions?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011123142758.02542f70@mail.enterit.com> From: Chris Fedde Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:46:11 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:29:07 -0500 Jim Conner wrote: +------------------ | To: freeteenfh478@eudoramail.com | Subject: FBSD 4.2 REL and Ethernet 802.11b PCMCIA NIC suggestions?? | | I can upgrade to 4.4 but I really don't have the time right now. Anyone | know of a decent (realtek, dlink, intel, smc, or whatever) brand wireless | 802.11b standard PCMCIA NIC that FBSD 4.2 will support? | | Also, anyone going to the GIAC training Cyber-defense Initiative (CDI) East | in Washington DC Nov 27-Dec4? | | TIA +------------------ I had loads of trouble getting dlink or oronoco to work peer to peer with 4.2R or 4.3-Stable. I eventually went to an oronoco base station and things worked fine under 4.3-Stable and continued to work after upgrading to 4.4-stable. My box is an HP omnibook 900i: CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (448.62-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 Features=0x387f9ff real memory = 201326592 (196608K bytes) avail memory = 190840832 (186368K bytes) YMMV -- Chris Fedde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:53:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ideal.net.au (ion.ideal.net.au [203.20.241.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B6A37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from helium.ideal.net.au (helium.staff.ideal.net.au [202.3.35.2]) by mail.ideal.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA81665 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:53:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chris@ideal.net.au) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128104517.01ea65e8@mail.ideal.net.au> X-Sender: chris@mail.ideal.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:53:24 +1100 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Chris Aitken Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:43 PM 27/11/2001, you wrote: > > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling > > when following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse > > chronological order. > >This has to be the worst habit I have EVER seen. Totally agree..... Two reasons I loathe people emailing at the TOP of emails.... 1 - The whole point of quoting an email in your email, is to give the user some background to what you are referring to. Whenever I am reading an email I can scan what is quoted first, then read the reply. Allowing the reply to make more sense the *first* time I read it. Instead of reading the email, then having to scroll down to read what the person is referring to then re-read the email again to let it make more sense. 2 - It makes people lazy. How many times has a thread gone on between two Email-Toppers, only to have the email just get longer and longer and longer constantly requoting the entire thread every email. Its a pain in the ass and is totally unneeded (especially for those on any list in digest mode) Personally. the best (and only imo) method is, quote the relevant text you are referring to above what you are typing, and delete the rest. -- Chris Aitken - Administration/Database Designer - IDEAL Internet email: chris@ideal.net.au phone: +61 2 4628 8888 fax: +61 2 4628 8890 __-----------------------------------------__ # ln -s /dev/null /bin/laden If you don't like my typing, all flames to /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 15:55:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CAA37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fARNtA500419; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:55:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <017901c1779e$f30a6f50$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: , References: <200111272330.fARNUHh31082@visar.norris-net.com> Subject: Re: ATA drive manufacturers and write caching Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:55:09 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Normally drives that "lie" should have some sort of provision for writing the data to the disk or at least retaining it even in the event of power failure. This would be something like a battery backup for memory in the internal cache or something like that. The data stays there indefinitely, and when the power returns, the write to disk is completed. I know that this can still cause problems, in some cases. I know of at least one case in which software attempted to _disable_ on-board write caching on a disk drive, and hashed the geometry of the drive--the damage done was so severe that the drive had to be sent back to the factory, and generally all data was lost, anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Norris" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 00:30 Subject: ATA drive manufacturers and write caching > I have read documentation and followed several discussions about the > performance benefits of enabling write caching on ATA hard drives vs. > the inherent risks. Saw several statements to the effect that some > drives "lie" about whether/when the data in their cache was actually > written to the platter, thus potentially causing problems. > > Does anyone have information about particular drive manufacturers or > models that exhibit this behavior, or was it just a general statement > about ATA drives? > > Thanks, > Derrick > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 16: 1:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.funtime.org (mailhost.funtime.org [206.245.141.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAFC37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (piglet [206.245.141.231]) by mailhost.funtime.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id fAS00kv76239 for ; 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freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup question In-Reply-To: <20011127231220.GB11957@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First I appreciate your response(s). Actually I am not sure it is a bug - just that cvsup does not work as I had thought. It would seems to me that the CVS tag lines (correct term??) in the source were not updated. I just thought I would pursue this issue because I was depending on something that did not work as I had thought. I.e. that the date tag worked on a timestamp (and I guess that all mirrors used ntpd ;) On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > There should be no timing issue. In my example > > all time are Zulu. > > > > Using the cvsup date tag format: at 2001.11.25.15 (or later) I ran a > > cvsup with no date tag. I observed that the latest mod I picked up was > > 2001.11.24.19+. So to get something that (I thought) would be > > reproducible I ran another cvsup with a tag of 2001.11.25.00.00.00. > > Much earlier than the time of the 2nd cvsup. > > > > I did not get tags anywhere near the boundary times rather I got: > > > > Add delta 1.291.2.22 2001.11.02.16.45.05 > > Add delta 1.74.2.6 2001.11.23.13.13.19 > > Add delta 1.5 99.08.28.01.01.30 > > Add delta 1.5.2.2 2001.07.22.12.40.55 > > Add delta 1.4 99.08.28.01.16.04 > > This seems definitely wrong. Especially the deltas from 99.08.28.*. I assumed this to be human error - I was just surprised they made it in my update. I probably would not have noticed except they were the ONLY changes. Given the number of people, the change rate, and the complexity, I think it all works pretty well. Note none of this caused a problem - just was strange and I was depending on the date tag to do something it (obviously) does not do. > I hope this is not a bug in CVSup that bites you. What version of > CVSup are you running. There was an update this autumn, for a bug > caused by the 1-billionth second. I am using cvsup-16.1d. This does not seems like those kinds of tolerances were involved :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 16:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF3837B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cybertron.tmfweb.nl ([213.10.151.186]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNHIQT01.WQ5; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:30:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3C043025.2040900@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:30:29 +0100 From: Alfatrion User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: nl, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Cliff Sarginson Subject: Re: this spam References: <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> <3C04120C.58F8D495@lmco.com> <20011128000550.A1687@raggedclown.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Hello, > > I am not entirely sure it is the job of an ISP to filter > out spam. On the other hand if they end up with pissed-off > or offended customers, or they are a small outfit with > limited resources they may want to. I know my ISP will shut > you down in 5 minutes if they see you are an open-relay. Most ISP have rules about this. > > There are tools to help limit spam, maybe in an imperfect > world that is the best we can do. Use blacklists, have mail > reject rules in your MTA, use procmail, make sure you cannot > be used as a relay. Making sure you don't allow others to send spam is a good idee. I find that perventing others to send spam to you is not posible. Since parts of the header (e.g. To, cc, ect.) are most often forged. The only real thing that can be done about this is sending a complained to the ISP. Make sure you include all headers along with the body. I feel that not every spam email sould be reported to the ISP. For ad I usaly do send a report. The headers are most often forged ligthly. Sending a compained to the users them self don't work and can cause more spam. For normal user SPAM, i usaly send a complained to the user. The headers are most ofthen not forged and it does often work. (Much more civile this way) A way that you can track down the ISP is thwough www.abuse.net (web-lookup or 'whois -h whois.abuse.net hostname', i have made a alias for this) If this doesn't work, then you can always use the standert whois lookup or a tracerout to find the ISP. > > I know some people think this is OT for this kind of list, > but it is a problem for anyone on any list, and I feel it is > legitimate to try and spread ideas on fighting this horrendous > waste of time and resources. This is OT in the way that it has nothing to do with FreeBSD. However it has to do with the mailing list it seld. I like to see the number of SPAM seeing reduced. What would be instesting is to see what can be done at the FreeBSD hubs to reduce spam. 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WHAA/kVwAPw2cAD+KXAA+BxwAPz2cAD+GQAAAAAAAP4BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD8QgAAAAAAAAAA /l/9D/3yCg== --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17: 1:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C4837B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 66-44-66-32.s32.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.66.32] helo=sten.alder.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 168t6M-0005gw-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:01:26 -0500 Received: by sten.alder.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:01:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:01:00 -0500 From: "Bob Hall" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: this spam Message-ID: <20011127200100.A809@starpower.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com>; from jacks@sage-american.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 04:20:10PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 04:20:10PM -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > Bob: Just because they are doing it doesn't justify it.... it's because > their survival is on the edge that they are trying very hard to satisfy > those customers who complain. I know at least one of the largest ISPs who > will tell you that while they understand spam is undesirable, they "are > still trying to figure out a method of dealing with it"... that was a long > time ago and nothing yet. > > They recognize the dilemma of filtering emails for customers will make some > unhappy and not filtering on some basis will make some unhappy.... alas, > the financial outlook for the small ISP is rather bleak in trying not to > lose a much-needed customer... but, not only because of spam, but a loss of > a single customer means much more to the small company than the large one > everytime. > > At 04:49 PM 11.27.2001 -0500, Bob Hall wrote: > >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote: > >> What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering > >> out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit > >> there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back > >> up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining > >> lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see > >> which is cheaper. :-) > > > >There's a relatively small, local ISP in my area called Erols. They > >keep three people on staff to deal with spam. (Check their web site.) > >Erols competes on price and is too small to have money to waste on > >something that doesn't either return a profit or save more money than > >it costs. If it's cheaper to ignore spam, why do small ISPs with > >razor thin margins bother to deal with it aggressively? What you are saying (up there at the top, instead of here at the end), is that having an ISP that deals with spam is sufficiently valuable to customers that they are willing to pay a little extra to cover the cost. I don't beleive that there are enough customers who know enough about the issue to pay for the service. As I said, Erols competes on price, which means that they attract customers by being cheaper that the next ISP. I don't believe they would be pursuing spam if it didn't reduce their costs. Bob Hall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17: 5:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from webs1.accretive-networks.net (webs1.accretive-networks.net [207.246.154.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630C737B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (davidk@localhost) by webs1.accretive-networks.net (8.11.1/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAS154I36744; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:05:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:05:04 -0800 (PST) From: David Kirchner X-X-Sender: To: Mike Meyer Cc: Anthony Atkielski , Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size In-Reply-To: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x > ram size. I've read this in places before (man tuning I believe), but I haven't yet found the reason for it. I read through the 4.4BSD book's chapter on memory management but I don't recall seeing anything about it. Is there a place where this is documented further? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:10:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from christel.heitec.net (christel.heitec.net [193.101.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B689E37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from heitec.net (paladin.heitec.net [193.101.232.30]) by christel.heitec.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB7BB8101; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:10:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:10:19 +0100 From: Bernd Luevelsmeyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: removing last line References: <200111272155.NAA08579@idk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011128011019.3EB7BB8101@christel.heitec.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony wrote: > > I need a way of removing just the last line in a text file using a csh > script. > > Any ideas? sed -ne\$q -ep To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:12:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.nji.com (mail.nji.com [216.44.116.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E47537B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from kahuna (mpb-44.nji.com [216.44.117.44]) by ns1.nji.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA17057 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:12:15 -0500 From: "Michael Greenberg" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:15:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: pkg_update w/Apache Message-ID: <3C03F464.18801.10D7737@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [snip my question about pkg_ commands] Alright, I've resolved the problem -- by switching to source! Oh well, this is easier, ultimately. Thanks, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:28:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D3737B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 66-44-59-119.s373.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.59.119] helo=sten.alder.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 168tWc-0000Nj-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:28:34 -0500 Received: by sten.alder.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:28:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:28:08 -0500 From: "Bob Hall" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RFC 1122 and the Urgent flag Message-ID: <20011127202507.A960@starpower.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been studying the OReilly Internet protocols book and I found a paragraph that says that many BSD systems are not compliant with RFC 1122 in how they deal with the Urgent flag. The book is at least two years old now, so I'm wondering if this is still true, and specifically, if it is true for FreeBSD. This isn't an urgent question, but I've done a search in the list archives and on google and haven't found an answer. No apps will die if I don't get an answer, it just relates to something I'm studying. Bob Hall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:34:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABCC37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA33823; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:33:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: To: Bob Hall Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC 1122 and the Urgent flag In-Reply-To: <20011127202507.A960@starpower.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Bob Hall wrote: > I've been studying the OReilly Internet protocols book and I > found a paragraph that says that many BSD systems are not > compliant with RFC 1122 in how they deal with the Urgent flag. > The book is at least two years old now, so I'm wondering if > this is still true, and specifically, if it is true for Huh? How so? Explain. ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (816) 464-7780 | Sr. Unix Administrator Work: chris.watson@twa.com | Trans World Airlines, Kansas City, MO Home: scanner@jurai.net | http://www.twa.com ============================================================================= WINDOWS: All our IP belongs to us. GNU/LINUX: Touch our IP, and your IP belongs to us. BSD: Here's our IP, just use it. ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:36:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B919037B429 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.143]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20762; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22303; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22298; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Planetes@aol.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 21140-AC NIC and FBSD4.4 In-Reply-To: <59.13afdfdf.29355076@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oops, and it is of the AC type. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 Planetes@aol.com wrote: > Greetings! > > Sorry to trouble you but I can't get the FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE kernel to > recognize my DEC 21140-AC based SMC (9332BDT). The kernel wants to select > the de (tulip) driver which doesn't work with the nic. A kernel with only > the dc driver fails to recognize the nic at all. > > Which list can I post this on? > Thanks. > /dp > > Doug Parrish > planetes@aol.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D0B37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:root@rac3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.143]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20748; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22257; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22253; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver To: Planetes@aol.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC 21140-AC NIC and FBSD4.4 In-Reply-To: <59.13afdfdf.29355076@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My 21140 NIC works fine with the de driver on a 4.4-RELEASE kernel. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 Planetes@aol.com wrote: > Greetings! > > Sorry to trouble you but I can't get the FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE kernel to > recognize my DEC 21140-AC based SMC (9332BDT). The kernel wants to select > the de (tulip) driver which doesn't work with the nic. A kernel with only > the dc driver fails to recognize the nic at all. > > Which list can I post this on? > Thanks. > /dp > > Doug Parrish > planetes@aol.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:40:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F86337B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05517; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:39:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011127193957.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:39:57 -0600 To: "Bob Hall" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: this spam In-Reply-To: <20011127200100.A809@starpower.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <000101c17718$77d43180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> <20011127164937.A605@starpower.net> <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This thread has about run out of gas for me.... but, one last reply, for Bob's reply to me: I gave two contrasting policies: One is the small, financially weak ISP that bears a cost it rather not have to mess with to deal with spam versus the much bigger, financially sound ISP that has decided not to have that type of overhead cost allocated to monitor spam. Thus, the bigger one with sofisticated financial controls thinks it's more economical to NOT control the spam in the same manner as the small ISP. Without having seen either of their financials, the body language says the cost of monitoring spam probably exceeds the other costs of storage, bandwidth or whatever.... IF and to the extent they truly have any tangible cost effect on the bottom line. The cost of a special staff is most definitely tangible and measureable.... as compared to "X", the other spam control costs, harder to measure. Soooooo, I would guess that small ISP is trying to do something extra in the way of services AND lower pricing in order to keep that customer base and not just compete, but to STAY in business.... for as long as they can... which is becoming harder and harder until they can no longer survive against the bigger ISPs. I for one would NOT want to be a small struggling ISP with skimpy resources in these tougher economic times with more dark clouds ahead..... If and when the bigger ISP REALLY wants more market share (which includes that of the smaller ISP) all they have to do is lower the price and eliminate that pricing edge... then say goodbye to the smaller one who cannot stand to lose too many customers, spam controls or not... That's all for me on this.... thanks for the bandwidth, folks! At 08:01 PM 11.27.2001 -0500, Bob Hall wrote: >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 04:20:10PM -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >> Bob: Just because they are doing it doesn't justify it.... it's because >> their survival is on the edge that they are trying very hard to satisfy >> those customers who complain. I know at least one of the largest ISPs who >> will tell you that while they understand spam is undesirable, they "are >> still trying to figure out a method of dealing with it"... that was a long >> time ago and nothing yet. >> >> They recognize the dilemma of filtering emails for customers will make some >> unhappy and not filtering on some basis will make some unhappy.... alas, >> the financial outlook for the small ISP is rather bleak in trying not to >> lose a much-needed customer... but, not only because of spam, but a loss of >> a single customer means much more to the small company than the large one >> everytime. >> >> At 04:49 PM 11.27.2001 -0500, Bob Hall wrote: >> >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 10:48:29AM -0800, David Kirchner wrote: >> >> What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering >> >> out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit >> >> there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back >> >> up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining >> >> lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see >> >> which is cheaper. :-) >> > >> >There's a relatively small, local ISP in my area called Erols. They >> >keep three people on staff to deal with spam. (Check their web site.) >> >Erols competes on price and is too small to have money to waste on >> >something that doesn't either return a profit or save more money than >> >it costs. If it's cheaper to ignore spam, why do small ISPs with >> >razor thin margins bother to deal with it aggressively? > >What you are saying (up there at the top, instead of here at the end), >is that having an ISP that deals with spam is sufficiently valuable to >customers that they are willing to pay a little extra to cover the cost. >I don't beleive that there are enough customers who know enough about >the issue to pay for the service. As I said, Erols competes on price, >which means that they attract customers by being cheaper that the next >ISP. I don't believe they would be pursuing spam if it didn't reduce >their costs. > >Bob Hall > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:45:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from zok.sgi.com (zok.SGI.COM [204.94.215.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9888937B417; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rock.csd.sgi.com (fddi-rock.csd.sgi.com [130.62.69.10]) by zok.sgi.com (8.11.4/8.11.4/linux-outbound_gateway-1.1) with ESMTP id fARNbjA24860; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:45 -0800 Received: from piet1.csd.sgi.com (piet1.csd.sgi.com [130.62.73.47]) by rock.csd.sgi.com (SGI-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03209; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sgi.com (localhost.csd.sgi.com [127.0.0.1]) by piet1.csd.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id PAA03851; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:34:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C04230B.E1AC8B7C@sgi.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:34:35 -0800 From: Piet Delaney Organization: SGI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Peter Delaney , obrien@freebsd.org, obrien@nuxi.com Subject: 4.4 Kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Guys: I've been using cvsup over the past few years to update my system to the latest and greatest. About 6 months to a year ago I started having trouble booting the latest kernel. One of the problems I started having was the kernels would stop just after the printf that it's going to wait for the scsi bus to stabilize. I mentioned the problem to Dave Obrien but I never got a solution to the problem and also had problems switching to the new kernel boot procedure; I was still booting kernels from the root. Last week I did a cvsup to try to get around a problem with netscape hanging. After doing a make World from /usr/src I found a stdio global __stdoutp was undefined and lots of stuff stopped working. I got a CD set from a friend with 4.4 on it and appear to have both wiped out my old boot code for kernels from the root and the new 4.4 kernel hangs while installing at the same old waiting for SCSI to stabilize. I just ordered a set of CD's for FreeBSD and Linux and hope the 'official' CD don't have this problem but I'm a skeptic. I suspect the problem is a bug with support for onboard SCSI. I was wondering if any of you guys had any suggestions or thoughts. In hindsight I suspect I should have made a bigger issue with Dave and the FreeBSD mailing list folks about the scsi problem. I was busy and ... -piet@sgi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 17:47:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.infowest.com (ns1.infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DBD37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from kgifford (www.fmei.com [65.100.240.153]) by ns1.infowest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114012174F for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:47:39 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: From: "Kendall Gifford" To: Subject: Some natd configuration question(s) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:47:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c177ae$a9905d70$f801a8c0@fmepro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A while back I (Kendall Gifford) wrote: >> We have a DSL connection to which a FreeBSD 4.4-Stable box >> is connected called foobar. Foobar is the LAN's NAT-firewall. >> Our web server is inside our LAN and all requests are >> naturally forwarded by natd. The problem is when LAN clients >> try to access our web server via foobar.... [chop] I also mentioned that we run LAN-only DNS so that in normal operation, a LAN web client shouldn't try to access the web site via foobar. On Tuesday [11/20/2001] Patrick O'Reilly responded: > ...natd does run on a psecific interface (specified by the > -n or -a argument to natd), and since the offending packets > are entering 'foobar' via a different interface, natd does not > have an opportunity to do its work. ...[whack]... > I think you need to address this problem on your primary DNS. > Make sure it responds and services your internal clients > reliably. Is the internal DNS server also FreeBSD? No, the DNS server is a Windows machine over which I have no administrative control :-(. It just can't be depended upon to always be up (as is evident by the presence of this whole issue). On Wednesday [11/21/2001] Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Alternatively, you can run a second copy of natd(8) on your > LAN interface (on the firewall box), and feed it with traffic > from your LAN machines to your public IP spool. That way, > your WWW server running on public IP address will see requests > coming from the NAT machine, and reply packets will undergo > a reverse process, and all should be working as expected. > The rule of thumb: make sure the reply packets go through > the NAT as well. First off, thanks Patrick, Ruslan, and Kjell (not quoted) for the help, and sorry for not acknowledging for so long. I have a second copy of natd running now and I feed it the traffic from my LAN machines trying to reach my public IP interface. I have verified that this second copy of natd is getting the packets, but I'm not sure how to configure natd in this situation. The options to natd that I have tried (and that haven't worked) are: (present in all variations): ] interface xl1 ] port 8670 (the one ipfw diverts to this copy of natd) ] log (have tried various combinations of these options): ] reverse ] redirect_port tcp :80 80 ] proxy_only ] proxy_rule port 80 server :80 I'm just not very sure what some of the settings do and would welcome any suggestions, enlightenment, or direction where to get such extended information. ____________ Kendall Gifford kendall@jedis.com http://kendall.jedis.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 18: 3: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC4A37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BA12B697; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:02:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8C20208; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:02:41 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:02:41 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Bob Hall Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC 1122 and the Urgent flag Message-ID: <20011128130241.G579@k7.mavetju.org> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011127202507.A960@starpower.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011127202507.A960@starpower.net>; from rjhalljr@starpower.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:28:08PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:28:08PM -0500, Bob Hall wrote: > I've been studying the OReilly Internet protocols book and I > found a paragraph that says that many BSD systems are not > compliant with RFC 1122 in how they deal with the Urgent flag. > The book is at least two years old now, so I'm wondering if > this is still true, and specifically, if it is true for > FreeBSD. This isn't an urgent question, but I've done a > search in the list archives and on google and haven't found > an answer. No apps will die if I don't get an answer, it > just relates to something I'm studying. According to Richard Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1 section 20.8 on page 292 and following (which I had accidently laying open on the TCP setup): There is continuing debate about whether the urgent pointer points to the last byte of urgent data, or to the byte following the last byte of urgent data. The original TCP specification gave both interpretations but the Host Requirements RFC identifies which is correct: the urgent pointer points to the last byte of urgent data. The problem, however, is that most implementations (i.e., the Berkeley-derived implementations) continue to use the wrong interpretation. An implementation that follows the specification in the Host Requirements RFC might be compliant, but might not communicate correctly with most other hosts. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f148.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22A737B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:14:08 -0800 Received: from 66.75.97.169 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:14:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.75.97.169] From: "Lee Mark Mercado" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: passwd Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:14:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 02:14:08.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CA3B080:01C177B2] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is there a way that a user could change their user-password without logging into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? any ideas will greatly help. Not all my users now about telnet and i was thinking that a website form for changing password might be easier for them. thx -Lee _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 18:26:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2F637B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAS2QF501248; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:26:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <005c01c177b4$0f1fb780$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Lee Mark Mercado" , References: Subject: Re: passwd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:26:16 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know if anything exists, but it sounds like the sort of thing that would be easy to write, although it probably would tend to be specific to a particular site, not a generalized tool. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Mark Mercado" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 03:14 Subject: passwd > is there a way that a user could change their user-password without logging > into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? > > any ideas will greatly help. Not all my users now about telnet and i was > thinking that a website form for changing password might be easier for them. > > thx > -Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 18:35:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from marvin.fusionary.com (marvin.fusionary.com [208.254.161.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF09737B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by marvin.fusionary.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3924040D; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:40:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:40:23 -0500 From: Jack Baty To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011127214023.B19830@marvin.fusionary.com> Reply-To: Jack Baty Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128104517.01ea65e8@mail.ideal.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128104517.01ea65e8@mail.ideal.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:53:24AM +1100, Chris Aitken wrote: > Two reasons I loathe people emailing at the TOP of emails.... > > 1 - The whole point of quoting an email in your email, is to give the user > some background to what you are referring to. Whenever I am reading an > email I can scan what is quoted first, then read the reply. Allowing the > reply to make more sense the *first* time I read it. Instead of reading the > email, then having to scroll down to read what the person is referring to > then re-read the email again to let it make more sense. I'm on the fence here. In most cases, I've already read the previous messages, so I'd rather not have to scroll through them yet again to get to the new, juicy bits. If the quoted portion is adequately snipped, however, it works just fine. I'm a recent mutt convert (from Outlook) and the ability to hide quoted text by simply hitting is a beautiful thing. -- Jack Baty Fusionary Media - http://www.fusionary.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:12:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A40737B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA90858; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:12:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:12:21 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Lee Mark Mercado Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lee Mark Mercado wrote to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG: > is there a way that a user could change their user-password > without logging into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? > > any ideas will greatly help. Not all my users now about telnet and > i was thinking that a website form for changing password might be > easier for them. Sure... There are a few ways to do this. If your passwords are stored in a UNIX passwd database (i.e., /etc/spwd.db), it's not as easy as you might think, to change passwords over the web. If you're stuck using the passwd database, there isn't a trivially straightforward way to get the job done that I'm aware of. I have had good success, however, using the expect programming language (from ports) in conjunction with su(1) and passwd(1), running as a CGI script. The rest is just chat script logic that parses the various inputs and outputs from passwd(1) in an "interactive" way, and returns appropriate status to the user. If you (or others) are interested, I may be able to blow the dust off of that script. Hope this helps, - Ryan > thx > -Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:31:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F97A37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 91137 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 03:31:51 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:31:51 -0600 To: "Bara Zani" , Anthony Kim , Brian Sobolak Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bara Zani types: > where can i find vm ? > is it in the ports ? > i only see vm-pop3d there > thanks again I'm not sure. It's an emacs/xemacs package, both of which are in the ports - but I don't use the ports version of emacs, so I don't know if they install the vm package. If you install xemacs, you can use the xemacs package manager to add vm if it isn't there already. Anthony Kim types: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > What more could anyone want? > Let me throw in 2 cents for mutt+fetchmail+procmail with Maildir. > I don't know how I could go without send-hook, mbox-hook, > folder-hook, fcc-save-hook. You might say I'm hooked. You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. Hooks for when a message arrives, for after all of them arriving, for sending, forwarding, replying, resending and resending bounced mail. Hooks for folders and virtual folders. Hooks for when the folder sumary is created, added to, updated, or when you move to the next message in the summary. Hooks for dealing with digests. Etc.... http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:40:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4722537B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:40:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: "'emailrob' spellberg" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: where are the tarballs? Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:40:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C03E0D8.448A6B11@emailrob.com> In-Reply-To: <3C03E0D8.448A6B11@emailrob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112722403202.69260@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The tarballs are on the internet. That's the way that ports work. If you have the cdroms because you have dialup speed, you want the *packages*, not the ports. The packages are ready-to-install precompiled binaries. The ports are basically automated recipies for building the source obtained from the standard distribution sites. That's just the way it is. That said, it does seem that it might be a handy thing to put the legally unencumbered distribution images on some disk(s) of the set. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 13:52, 'emailrob' spellberg wrote: > to whomever can answer this --- > > i've gone through lehey 3rd edition. > > ditto online handbook. > > there is --NO-- /cdrom/ports/distfiles. > > there are no distfiles anywhere > except /usr/ports and it is empty. > > there are no ports on disks 2, 3 or 4. > > i checked 3.2, 4.2 and 4.4. > > make wants a tarball in /usr/ports/distfiles. > > objective: install everything on the cds. > > plan b: install everything perl. > > holy grail: "hello, world" using perl/tk. > > i have run the install script in /cdrom/ports. > i have installed the cvs-repository. > > i buy the cds because all i have is dialup speed. > > q: where are the tarballs? > > the only tarballs i find are in individual packages. > > am i supposed to install packages one-by-one? > > what happens to specifying options? > > what is the current correct procedure > to transfer everything on the cds to hard drive? > > tia > > rob spellberg > harvard, illinois > > emailrob@emailrob.com > > ps: /stand/sysinstall does not recognize > the fbsd disks as fbsd disks. > > also, the mount point is called /cdrom. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:42:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD1637B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD436A2500F2; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:42:59 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Q about locate Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:42:20 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I tried: locate termcap I received this response: locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doesn't= =20 cover this. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:43:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16E1B37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 91563 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 03:43:25 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.23901.74346.299401@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:43:25 -0600 To: David Kirchner Cc: Anthony Atkielski , Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size In-Reply-To: <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> References: <15363.11945.410356.244254@guru.mired.org> <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Kirchner types: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x > > ram size. > I've read this in places before (man tuning I believe), but I haven't yet > found the reason for it. I read through the 4.4BSD book's chapter on > memory management but I don't recall seeing anything about it. Is there a > place where this is documented further? I got a note from George Cox that Matt Dillon says this isn't so - even though the tuning man page that Matt wrote says it is. Further discussion is ensuing between them, so watch for the man page to be updated. For information on the VM system in general, the "More..." link under documentation on the FreeBSD home page is a page that lists a couple of papers on the VM system. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:49:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from berbee.com (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F39F37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (msn-office2.binc.net [64.73.12.253]) by berbee.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAS3nrL07656; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:49:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200111280349.fAS3nrL07656@berbee.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Rob Zietlow To: chip , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:49:39 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> In-Reply-To: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 09:42 pm, chip wrote: > When I tried: > locate termcap > I received this response: > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doesn't > cover this. You need to go into /usr/libexec and run ./locate.updatedb How come this isn't turned on by default so you can automatically search and you have to wait for one of the periodics to run it (once a week I believe) Why isn't this run around boot time. If someone installs a machine say on Saturday, and doesn't run this script they will have to wait for a week before it gets updated. And I know this was addressed a while ago on the list and someone wrote a patch for it. Why can you run it as any user, but when it's done it tells you it's unavaliable to write to the database? It should stop you immediately. Is this planned on getting fixed in 5.0? Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 19:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B451C37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by Mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:59:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: Arnout Bruinsma , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:59:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C03F491.6085C971@zonnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <3C03F491.6085C971@zonnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112722592703.69260@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD can only install into a primary partition. This is one of its major limitations, actually. But if you have PartitionMagic, this isn't really a problem; just shrink the extended partition to meet the logicals within it and use the extra space for a primary. FreeBSD sub-partitions itself, so you only need one primary partition for FreeBSD. On Tuesday 27 November 2001 15:16, Arnout Bruinsma wrote: > Dear Sir/Lady, > > I bought a book called Free BSD Unleashed. > With it came a cdrom containing disc 1 of Free BSD 4.4 > During installation I ran into a partition problem. > According to Partition Magic my disk looks like this: > =========================================================================== >================================ > > Partition Information for Disk 1: 39260.4 Megabytes > Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect # StartSect > TotalSects UsedSects FreeSects > =========================================================================== >================================ > > C:WINDOWS C FAT32 Pri,Boot 3004.3 0 0 > 63 6,152,832 910,062 5,242,770 > ExtendedX Pri 36256.1 0 1 6,152,895 > 74,252,430 59,279,850 14,972,580 > EPBR Log 23.5 None -- > 6,152,895 48,195 48,195 0 > *:boot Debian Linux Ext2 Log,Boot 23.5 6152895 0 > 6,152,958 48,132 4,138 43,994 > EPBR Log 31.4 6152895 1 > 6,201,090 64,260 64,260 0 > *:boot SuSe Linux Ext2 Log 31.3 6201090 0 > 6,201,153 64,197 7,293 56,904 > EPBR Log 23.5 6201090 1 > 6,265,350 48,195 48,195 0 > Unallocated Log 23.5 6265350 0 > 6,265,413 48,132 1,558 46,574 > EPBR Log 13696.0 6265350 1 6,313,545 > 28,049,490 28,049,490 0 > D:WINDOWS D FAT32 Log 13696.0 6313545 0 6,313,608 > 28,049,427 1,118,616 26,930,811 > EPBR Log 7169.6 6313545 1 34,363,035 > 14,683,410 14,683,410 0 > *:Debian/GNU 2.2Linux Ext2 Log 7169.6 34363035 0 > 34,363,098 14,683,347 1,255,963 13,427,384 > EPBR Log 7004.9 34363035 1 49,046,445 > 14,346,045 14,346,045 0 > *:SuSe Linux 7.0Linux Ext2 Log 7004.9 49046445 0 > 49,046,508 14,345,982 2,662,750 11,683,232 > Free Space Log 7310.8 None -- 63,392,490 > 14,972,580 0 14,972,580 > EPBR Log 996.2 49046445 1 > 78,365,070 2,040,255 2,040,255 0 > *:SWAPSPACE2 Linux Swap Log 996.2 78365070 0 > 78,365,133 2,040,192 8 2,040,184 > > In short,my extended partion houses 2 boot partitions,Windows D ,and two > operating systems (Debian,SuSe). > There is space for a BSD boot partition/1st slice(23,5 Mb) and a root > partition/2nd slice > (Free space 7+Gb) > > But the BSD FDISK Partition Editor shows this: > > Offset Size > End name Ptype > Desc Subtype > > 0 63 > 62 - > 6 unused 0 > 63 6152832 6152894 > ad0s1 2 fat > 11 > 6152895 74252430 80405324 > ad0s2 4 extended 15 > > 80405325 12915 80418239 > - 6 unused > 0 > > It seems I cannot enter the extended partition slice,and it is there > that I would like to install BSD ,of course without disturbing my > current configuration. > As an extremely fresh newbie I apologize beforehand for asking a silly > question and I thank you for your time . > Getting an answer , though , would help me on my road in search for an > operating system that suits me. > > > Bij voorbaat dank, > > Arnout Bruinsma > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:12:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6856E37B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA31496; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:08:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: chip Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate In-Reply-To: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > When I tried: > locate termcap > I received this response: > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doesn't > cover this. > > -- > Chip > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > The locate database is build once a week in the middle of the night from a cron instruction in /etc/crontab. If your computer won't be on then or you want it built sooner (or rebuilt to reflect new stuff), run as root /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb, or in the /etc directory type periodic weekly That runs what cron would run--the weekly maintenance routines. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:20:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B758C37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A631114D0106; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:21:05 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: Rob Zietlow , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:20:26 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> <200111280349.fAS3nrL07656@berbee.com> In-Reply-To: <200111280349.fAS3nrL07656@berbee.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111272021352.SM03544@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 07:49 pm, Rob Zietlow wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 09:42 pm, chip wrote: > > When I tried: > > locate termcap > > I received this response: > > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doe= sn't > > cover this. > > You need to go into /usr/libexec and run ./locate.updatedb > > How come this isn't turned on by default so you can automatically searc= h > and you have to wait for one of the periodics to run it (once a week I > believe) Why isn't this run around boot time. If someone installs a > machine say on Saturday, and doesn't run this script they will have to = wait > for a week before it gets updated. And I know this was addressed a wh= ile > ago on the list and someone wrote a patch for it. Why can you run it a= s > any user, but when it's done it tells you it's unavaliable to write to = the > database? It should stop you immediately. Is this planned on getting > fixed in 5.0? > > Rob :-) I hope you're not asking me those questions cuz I sure don't have any= =20 answers. I just did a fresh install of 4.4-r on another machine recently.= It=20 is what it is. And there's nothing about this in the instructions I've se= en=20 all over the net or in the two books I have on FBSD. -- Thanks for the help, Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:21:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f88.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ADB37B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:21:35 -0800 Received: from 66.75.97.169 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:21:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.75.97.169] From: "Lee Mark Mercado" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: openssl/modssl Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:21:35 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 04:21:35.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A759990:01C177C4] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG whats the difference between openssl and modssl ? which one is best to use ? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:21:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1773237B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-63.214.66.44.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.66.44] helo=aol.com) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168wDO-0002vI-00 for 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bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ***=A5x _=C6W _=B4=AB _=A9d _=AD=D1 _=BC=D6_ =B3=A1*** : http://210.64.184.194/=A4J=B7|=BB=A1=A9=FA=C0=C9.exe ***=C2=C5 _=A4=D1_ =B8=C9_ =A9=AB _=A4u_ =A7@ _=AB=C7 _=B3=CC_ =B7s _=A5=D8 _=BF=FD *** : http://210.64.184.203/=B3=CC=B7s=B8=C9=A9=AB=A5=D8=BF=FD.exe ****=A5=BB _=ABH_=A5=D1 _=AB=C2=A4O=B6=C7=BC=BD_ =A5N _=AC=B0 _ =B5o_ =B0e**** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:24:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35B837B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from there [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A710115E0106; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:24:48 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: chip To: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Q about locate Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:24:09 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200111272024118.SM03544@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 08:08 pm, Annelise Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > > When I tried: > > locate termcap > > I received this response: > > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doe= sn't > > cover this. > > -- > > Chip > The locate database is build once a week in the middle of the night > from a cron instruction in /etc/crontab. If your computer won't be > on then or you want it built sooner (or rebuilt to reflect new stuff), > run as root /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb, or in the /etc directory > type > periodic weekly > > That runs what cron would run--the weekly maintenance routines. > > Also, typing apropos locate would have listed the locate.updatedb > manual page...reading the locate manual page would show you the > following (just in case you don't want to have to ask): > > /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb Script to update the locate database > > =09Annelise Thanks, geez apropos returns a ton of stuff! Cool, I'll add that one to m= y=20 notebook. -- Thanks, Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:25:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EB137B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA91021; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:41:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Hovey To: chip Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate In-Reply-To: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The locate database update routine never ran (or didnt have time to yet) On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > When I tried: > locate termcap > I received this response: > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doesn't > cover this. > > -- > Chip > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:26:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from qk99.com (tc72-70.dialup.seed.net.tw [210.244.72.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED13F37B41D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: iMWiKzPNaOQ@ksts.seed.net.tw To: hN7GqK@ibm.com Subject: ¶W ¬¯ ªº ºô ¯¸ ui2D75TA6TlW6Y0kAr9MAAvzbkVU X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <20011128042641.ED13F37B41D@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:26:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG =A5x =C6W =B4=AB =A9d =AD=D1 =BC=D6 =B3=A1 : http://210.64.184.194/=A4J=B7|=BB=A1=A9=FA=C0=C9.exe =C2=C5 =A4=D1 =B8=C9 =A9=AB =A4u =A7@ =AB=C7 =B3=CC =B7s =A5=D8 =BF=FD : http://210.64.184.203/=B3=CC=B7s=B8=C9=A9=AB=A5=D8=BF=FD.exe =A5=BB =ABH =A5=D1 =AB=C2=A4O=B6=C7=BC=BD =A5N =AC=B0 =B5o =B0e To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:32:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B3E37B41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from i8k.babbleon.org ([66.57.85.154]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:32:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian T.Schellenberger To: chip , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:32:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> In-Reply-To: <200111271942821.SM03544@there> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112723323604.69260@i8k.babbleon.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 22:42, chip wrote: > When I tried: > locate termcap > I received this response: > locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database > Is there something I need to do to fix this problem? The man page doesn't > cover this. /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb I think it's listed under "files" in the man page, but right now my man command is broken so that's based only on memory. It'll happen automatically for you weekly but that's how to force it. -- Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) http://www.babbleon.org -------> Free Dmitry Sklyarov! (let him go home) <----------- http://www.eff.org http://www.programming-freedom.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:33:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tar.com (61-221-48-110.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.221.48.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2B6737B416; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:33:36 -0800 (PST) From: OyKW@pchome.com.tw To: k47WLMS0gww099w@tpts6.seed.net.tw Subject: ¼s §i ¤j ¬Ý ªO ey7tcgw4Pp84ZjrUqvuYuZf4MPlq X-Mailer: LnEj26B0KkEsd2yhjbA0uPqo Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <20011128043336.D2B6737B416@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:33:36 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG **=A5x =C6W =B4=AB =A9d =AD=D1 =BC=D6 =B3=A1** : http://210.64.184.194/=A4J=B7|=BB=A1=A9=FA=C0=C9.exe **=C2=C5 =A4=D1 =B8=C9 =A9=AB =A4u =A7@ =AB=C7 =B3=CC =B7s =A5=D8 =BF=FD ** : http://210.64.184.203/=B3=CC=B7s=B8=C9=A9=AB=A5=D8=BF=FD.exe ***=A5=BB =ABH =A5=D1 =AB=C2=A4O=B6=C7=BC=BD =A5N =AC=B0 =B5o =B0e*** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:34:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A78837B41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com ([24.6.228.202]) by femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011128043406.XJIT10011.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost.lakwod3.co.home.com> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:34:06 -0800 In-reply-to: ; from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 04:19:09PM -0500 Subject: Re: Re-obtain the attachment in an email? Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit References: To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Sean LeBlanc X-mda: Mail::Internet Mail::Sendmail Sendmail +mmhack 1.1 on Linux Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-version: 1.0 User-agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Content-disposition: inline Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:40:40 -0700 Message-id: <20011127214040.A3383@hostwiththemost> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-27 16:19, Zhihui Zhang wrote: > > I am reading some postings in the archive. One of the postings I am > reading now is like this: I don't know what is the norm, but I use a program called juju, at least I did on Linux...I haven't downloaded and compiled that on FreeBSD yet, but I'm sure it works just fine. Basically, you save text in message to a file, then run juju, giving that file as the argument. If things went right, juju should tell you that it wrote a file or files. -- Sean LeBlanc:seanleblanc@home.com Yahoo:seanleblancathome ICQ:138565743 MSN:seanleblancathome AIM:sleblancathome Money talks... but all mine ever says is good-bye. Management QOTD:We're still on the edge unless we re-time for performance and manage some people out of the organization for the global development. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:36:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tar.com (61-221-48-110.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.221.48.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33E8F37B435; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: 68p8FYNGj2SNQ4@tcts.seed.net.tw To: cuBmysjvKScLx@mail.seeder.net.tw Subject: ¼s §i ¤j ¬Ý ªO skLbdC1aN480ygW X-Mailer: ki6jIWEcqXIdsK5sR Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <20011128043613.33E8F37B435@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG **=A5x _=C6W _=B4=AB _=A9d _=AD=D1 _=BC=D6_ =B3=A1** : http://210.64.184.194/=A4J=B7|=BB=A1=A9=FA=C0=C9.exe **=C2=C5 _=A4=D1_ =B8=C9_ =A9=AB _=A4u_ =A7@ _=AB=C7 _=B3=CC_ =B7s _=A5=D8 _=BF=FD ** : http://210.64.184.203/=B3=CC=B7s=B8=C9=A9=AB=A5=D8=BF=FD.exe ***=A5=BB _=ABH_=A5=D1 _=AB=C2=A4O=B6=C7=BC=BD_ =A5N _=AC=B0 _ =B5o_ =B0e*** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:37: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wiproecmx2.wipro.com (wiproecmx2.wipro.com [164.164.31.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6226737B41C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ecvwall1.wipro.com (ecvwall1.wipro.com [164.164.23.6]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAS4aX116757 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:06:34 +0530 (IST) Received: from snrpro5219 ([10.145.2.58]) by arabhi.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNHTZZ00.SV2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:03:35 +0530 Message-ID: <007f01c177c6$3286f5a0$3a02910a@snrpro5219> From: "Sreenivasan P Subramanian" To: Subject: spanning tree imp in Freebsd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:06:03 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, am currently working on a porting prjct; porting bridging module from Freebsd to Linux. i need to get the spanning tree implementation in Freebsd. does anybody know of the stp implementation in Freebsd. if yes, can u pls tell me where it is. thanx --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="Wipro_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Wipro_Disclaimer.txt" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Wipro and/or its Customers and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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I would perfer a GUI based reader with good filters and support for binary attachments. I have had a look around but haven't really found anything yet. thanks people Shanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:49:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 445CD37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 92755 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 04:49:36 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.27872.189915.109985@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:49:36 -0600 To: "Scott Gerhardt" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: <63187021@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Gerhardt types: > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? Yes. It's already been posted, but I'll post it again: http://www.lemis.com/questions.html > - Replies are posted at the _TOP_ of the message; saves scrolling when > following a long thread and keeps everything is reverse chronological order. Your reason for top posting is wrong because of this: > - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. That's far more important than where you post the reply. Resending the entire message you are replying to is a major sin. Whether you have to scroll through it or not is immaterial - it's a waste of bandwidth. Should I decide I want to read the entire text for some reason, it's in the archives. Once you trim the message you are replying to properly, then people shouldn't need to scroll no matter where the reply is. Take this message as an example - I didn't top post. Did you have to any problem at all finding the new text? The problem with top posting in a discussion is that it makes reading the previous discussion a matter of "go to the end, then scroll up to the top of the first message and read to the end. Now scroll to the top of the previous message and read to the end of that. Repeat until you throw the computer out the window in frustration." In trying to debug a problem - rather than just a Q&A - this becomes critical, because you really do want to know what was done, and in what order, and what the results were. Properly editing the message when replying is critical in this situation. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 20:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from berbee.com (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C919637B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (msn-office2.binc.net [64.73.12.253]) by berbee.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAS4oAL10619; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:50:10 -0600 Message-Id: <200111280450.fAS4oAL10619@berbee.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Rob Zietlow To: shanon loveridge , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X News reader Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:49:55 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20011128044431.76210.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20011128044431.76210.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:44 pm, shanon loveridge wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I am looking for a good news reader to use under X. I > would perfer a GUI based reader with good filters and > support for binary attachments. I have had a look > around but haven't really found anything yet. > > thanks people > > Shanon My personal experience, I like PAN it has all the features you want > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email > and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:20:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99D737B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D0BBD1D; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09325; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:20:15 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAS5HWg10780; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: David Kirchner Cc: Mike Meyer , Anthony Atkielski , Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size References: <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 27 Nov 2001 21:17:31 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> Message-ID: Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Kirchner writes: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x > > ram size. > > I've read this in places before (man tuning I believe), but I haven't yet > found the reason for it. I read through the 4.4BSD book's chapter on > memory management but I don't recall seeing anything about it. Is there a > place where this is documented further? Don't read more out of tuning(7) than was written into it. It says: The kernel's VM paging algorithms are tuned to perform best when there is at least 2x swap versus main memory. Configuring too little swap can lead to inefficiencies in the VM page scanning code You shouldn't care about the performance of VM algorithms or the inefficiencies of the VM code. Maybe the VM designer does, but you shouldn't, at least for sizing swap partitions. You should care only about the performance (ie, speed) of the VM code. These are different things. Man page tuning(7) doesn't imply that a 64 MB RAM system will swap 10 MB faster with 128 MB swap than with 64 MB swap (and I wouldn't believe it if it did, without some evidence or explanation.) Actually I don't think it even implies that it would be more efficient. I'm gusssing that it might swap 64 MB of 128 MB swap less than twice as slowly than 32 MB of 64 MB swap (or some such thing that doesn't directly impact user swap sizing). That's the only kind of "algorithm performance tuning" neccessary to justify the broad statements of tuning(7). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:21:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47837B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tspivey8 ([24.76.54.195]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:21:12 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: tyler spivey Reply-To: tyler spivey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD VS OpenBSD/Netbsd/etc... Message-Id: <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:21:13 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have a pentium 200 mhz, 128 mb of ram, and a 5 gig hd. what bsd implementation is faster? i come from a linux background and am switching over to bsd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from longfellow.nbrewer.com (nbrewer.dsl.visi.com [208.42.141.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33FB37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by longfellow.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D1613195F; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:36:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:36:49 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: tyler spivey Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD VS OpenBSD/Netbsd/etc... Message-ID: <20011127233647.A1879@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , tyler spivey , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8>; from tspivey8@home.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:21:13PM -0800 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tyler spivey (tspivey8@home.com) wrote: > i have a pentium 200 mhz, 128 mb of ram, and a 5 gig hd. > what bsd implementation is faster? My personal benchmarks show that FreeBSD-4.4 is over 50% faster than OpenBSD 2.9, and a whopping 9.2 times faster than NetBSD 1.5.2. > i come from a linux background and am switching over to bsd. I installed Debian on a spare hard drive, but get an unpleasant feeling every time I use it. Despite all the great things people say about apt-get, I really hate precompiled binaries... What good are they if you want to compile SSL into mutt, pcre into postfix, mail and news out of Mozilla, etc.? -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:39:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC15937B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.66.104]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20011128053932.RZZD4848.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:39:32 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128163658.04e59060@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:39:14 +1100 To: tyler spivey From: Rob B Subject: Re: FreeBSD VS OpenBSD/Netbsd/etc... Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspiv ey8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 16:21 28/11/2001, tyler spivey sent this up the stick: >i have a pentium 200 mhz, 128 mb of ram, and a 5 gig hd. >what bsd implementation is faster? >i come from a linux background and am switching over to bsd. I am from a similar background to you, and I run FreeBSD on an Alpha. Free* and Open* are similar in performance, with Open* being concerned with security of the base system. Net BSD is a little different to get used to, but for your system and situation, I would definately suggest FreeBSD. Cheers, Rob -- "Is", vt, 'is confused with' [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 11 of a collection of 1191 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:40:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAAD737B41D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93528 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 05:40:04 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.30900.812049.261873@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:40:04 -0600 To: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Cc: David Kirchner , Anthony Atkielski , Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size In-Reply-To: References: <20011127170344.W15780-100000@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gary W. Swearingen types: > David Kirchner writes: > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > The VM algorithms aren't quite as efficient if you have less than 2x > > > ram size. > Don't read more out of tuning(7) than was written into it. It says: > > The kernel's VM paging algorithms are tuned to perform best when > there is at least 2x swap versus main memory. Configuring too > little swap can lead to inefficiencies in the VM page scanning code > > Man page tuning(7) doesn't imply that a 64 MB RAM system will swap 10 MB > faster with 128 MB swap than with 64 MB swap (and I wouldn't believe it > if it did, without some evidence or explanation.) Actually I don't > think it even implies that it would be more efficient. I disagree about that interpretation, though at the levels of your example it might not be measurable. But I think it implies that if you're swapping 32MB of 64MB, it will be more efficient with 128MB of swap than with 40MB. > I'm gusssing that it might swap 64 MB of 128 MB swap less than twice as > slowly than 32 MB of 64 MB swap (or some such thing that doesn't > directly impact user swap sizing). That's the only kind of "algorithm > performance tuning" neccessary to justify the broad statements of > tuning(7). I agree that such is sufficient, but I don't think it's necessary. At least one other person agrees that the wording in tuning may imply more than is true, and is discussing the matter with Matt. FWIW, my favorite swap configuration is two RAM+64K partitions on two different disks, on two different controllers if they're IDE drives. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 21:43:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7D37B419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B243BD7F; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13998; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:43:53 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAS5fD810783; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: "Bara Zani" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 27 Nov 2001 21:41:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer writes: > they install the vm package. If you install xemacs, you can use the > xemacs package manager to add vm if it isn't there already. Yes, Xemacs comes with "vm". Also with "gnus' which should be read about too. Start Xemacs, type "F1 t" to run Xemacs tutorial (an hour or two) to learn the basics. Then type "F1 i h" to learn the "info" (help) system (a few minutes is enough). Then use "info" to read about "vm" and "gnus". > You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. Hooks for when a message And "gnus" has hooks and you can make new ones, pluse more other stuff than you'll have time to learn about. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22: 3:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A810737B425 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168xo1-0006tU-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:02:49 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id E3C9B110C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:38:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:38:23 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC 1122 and the Urgent flag Message-ID: <20011128063823.A31258@raggedclown.net> References: <20011127202507.A960@starpower.net> <20011128130241.G579@k7.mavetju.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128130241.G579@k7.mavetju.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:02:41PM +1100, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:28:08PM -0500, Bob Hall wrote: > > I've been studying the OReilly Internet protocols book and I > > found a paragraph that says that many BSD systems are not > > compliant with RFC 1122 in how they deal with the Urgent flag. > > The book is at least two years old now, so I'm wondering if > > this is still true, and specifically, if it is true for > > FreeBSD. This isn't an urgent question, but I've done a > > search in the list archives and on google and haven't found > > an answer. No apps will die if I don't get an answer, it > > just relates to something I'm studying. > > According to Richard Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1 section > 20.8 on page 292 and following (which I had accidently laying open > on the TCP setup): > > There is continuing debate about whether the urgent pointer > points to the last byte of urgent data, or to the byte > following the last byte of urgent data. The original TCP > specification gave both interpretations but the Host > Requirements RFC identifies which is correct: the urgent > pointer points to the last byte of urgent data. > > The problem, however, is that most implementations (i.e., > the Berkeley-derived implementations) continue to use the > wrong interpretation. An implementation that follows the > specification in the Host Requirements RFC might be compliant, > but might not communicate correctly with most other hosts. > According to "Building Internet Firewalls" 2nd Edition, page 87, (which I had accidentally laying open on the Protocols above IP Section) URG and PSH are supposed to be used to identify critical data .... URG more generally marks data that the sender thinks is particularly important (sometimes incorrectly called "out of bounds" data). In practise, neither of these is reliably implemented and for most parts firewalls do not need to take special action on them.... -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22: 3:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA6537B41E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.77.116] (helo=buffy.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 168xo0-000Ass-00 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:02:48 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386), from userid 500) id 7372F110C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:43:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:43:28 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q about locate Message-ID: <20011128064328.B31258@raggedclown.net> References: <200111272024118.SM03544@there> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111272024118.SM03544@there> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:24:09PM -0800, chip wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2001 08:08 pm, Annelise Anderson wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, chip wrote: > > > > Also, typing apropos locate would have listed the locate.updatedb > > manual page...reading the locate manual page would show you the > > following (just in case you don't want to have to ask): > > > > /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb Script to update the locate database > > > > Annelise > > Thanks, geez apropos returns a ton of stuff! Cool, I'll add that one to my > notebook. Typing it in without mis-spelling it is often a challenge.. :) -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22: 3:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from FreeBSD.emscoelectric.com (freebsd.emscoelectric.com [209.223.6.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEF737B434; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gibson (adsl-65-67-246-82.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net [65.67.246.82]) by FreeBSD.emscoelectric.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) with SMTP id fAS65sd12928; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:05:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tiffany@crshjnke.com) From: "Big B" To: "ISP" , Subject: SMTP authentication? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:06:36 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am wanting to turn my pop/smtp server into authentication relay only on SMTP? Is there something I can install port wise to get me in the right direction. Thanks Kenny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22:22: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0E837B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:21:49 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340C4C@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ATA 48-bit mode addressing Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:21:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Is the new ATA driver ready for production use? What benefit(s) would 48-bit addressing bring? ---included story--- 3 November, 2001: Soren Schmidt, author of the ATA driver, tested a new 160 GB ATA harddisk provided kindly by Maxtor Corporation with the new ATA specification's 48-bit addressing mode support in FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT. The results show that the code is stable and functions as it should and will be backported to STABLE. --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22:30:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9488A37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS6UUR50126; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "David Kirchner" Cc: , "Stephen Hovey" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:30:30 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c177d6$2cf75d40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011127104635.Y15780-100000@localhost> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: David Kirchner [mailto:davidk@accretivetg.com] >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:48 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: jacks@sage-american.com; Stephen Hovey; >freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: this spam > > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> Yah - I'll bet you will be eating those words when your ISP comes >to you and >> jacks up your mailbox price an extra $5 a month to pay for all that >> "non censorship" your advocating. It's pretty easy to have these >high-falutin >> ideals when your not paying for them. > >What about the extra price involved in maintaining the filters, filtering >out spam that got past the filters, etc? Storage that does nothing but sit >there and occasionally gets backed up (even though it's not common to back >up a mail spool, I think, due to its nature) vs. employees maintaining >lists, reading spam, inputing additional filters, etc - I think I can see >which is cheaper. :-) > When your looking at mailservers with tens of thousands of users on them even a small change in the average mailbox size can mean the difference between putting another 2-3 thousand users on the server or having to build a brand new one. Granted, if your a small ISP with 100 or fewer users on a mailserver, the storage is cheap. But big ISP's don't screw around with garbage-grade IDE disk drives that you buy at CompUSA, their hardware is considerably more expensive. You should read the AOL administrators postings in comp.mail.sendmail to get a feel for what they are dealing with there. I noted today in the business section that AT&T is dropping their $4.95 a month dialup plan. What I'm talking about is already happening right in front of us, yet your looking for an excuse to justify that it's not. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22:50:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A1F37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS6oAR50151; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:50:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Bob Hall" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:50:10 -0800 Message-ID: <003b01c177d8$ec2e8ec0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of >jacks@sage-american.com >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:20 PM >To: Bob Hall; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > > >Bob: Just because they are doing it doesn't justify it.... it's because >their survival is on the edge that they are trying very hard to satisfy >those customers who complain. I know at least one of the largest ISPs who >will tell you that while they understand spam is undesirable, they "are >still trying to figure out a method of dealing with it"... that was a long >time ago and nothing yet. > Probably AGIS. Hate to inform you but AGIS network went bankrupt and lost millions of dollars doing it - because of spammers. If you don't believe me then see http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2453257,00.html So, what's your next justification that spam should be ignored? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22:56: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2D837B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS6tvR50166; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Cliff Sarginson" , Subject: RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: <003e01c177d9$bb411de0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011128000550.A1687@raggedclown.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Cliff Sarginson >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:06 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > > >There are tools to help limit spam, maybe in an imperfect >world that is the best we can do. Use blacklists, have mail >reject rules in your MTA, use procmail, make sure you cannot >be used as a relay. > >I know some people think this is OT for this kind of list, Well, let's see: or I think I'll take the one on the right!! Hey, maybe we can get a thread going about top-posting spammers and get them both combined! ;-) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 22:57:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E440237B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS6vIR50175; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Chris Dillon" , "Scott Gerhardt" Cc: "FreeBSD" Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:18 -0800 Message-ID: <003f01c177d9$eb68b140$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Dillon >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:43 PM >To: Scott Gerhardt >Cc: FreeBSD >Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list > >This has to be the worst habit I have EVER seen. How would you like >to read a book where the first paragraph was at the end of the book >and each subsequent paragraph came before it until you finally got to >the beginning of the book, while each individual paragraph maintains >the standard downward flow of text. That would be a pain in the arse. You mean like Pascal programming? ;-) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23: 4:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h013.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7237E37B416 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 11477 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 23:04:21 -0800 Received: from 64.195.103.89 (HELO nabokov.afc.vw.com) by smtp.telocity.com (209.228.33.220) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 23:04:21 -0800 X-Sent: 28 Nov 2001 07:04:21 GMT Received: (from anthony@localhost) by nabokov.afc.vw.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS74Le40346; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:04:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kim@vw.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:04:20 -0600 From: Anthony Kim To: Mike Meyer Cc: Bara Zani , Brian Sobolak , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , Bara Zani , Brian Sobolak , questions@freebsd.org References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bara Zani types: > > where can i find vm ? On Tue, Nov 27, 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > I'm not sure. It's an emacs/xemacs package, both of which are in the > ports - but I don't use the ports version of emacs, so I don't know if > they install the vm package. If you install xemacs, you can use the > xemacs package manager to add vm if it isn't there already. > > Anthony Kim types: > > Let me throw in 2 cents for mutt+fetchmail+procmail with Maildir. > > I don't know how I could go without send-hook, mbox-hook, > > folder-hook, fcc-save-hook. You might say I'm hooked. > > You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. Is there a vm+vim? (Not counting emacs with vi-bindings). I'd be surprised if there were. WRT: (x)?emacs+vm I use vim - best damn editor in the universe :wq! and maybe only 10% of it. Who was it that said, I tried using emacs, but prefer simpler operating systems. Holy war? What holy war? -- /* * Anthony Kim * VW Credit Inc. */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:10:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08CAE37B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 95107 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 07:10:23 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.36319.448468.384435@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:10:23 -0600 To: Anthony Kim Cc: Bara Zani , Brian Sobolak , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Kim types: > Bara Zani types: > > Anthony Kim types: > > > Let me throw in 2 cents for mutt+fetchmail+procmail with Maildir. > > > I don't know how I could go without send-hook, mbox-hook, > > > folder-hook, fcc-save-hook. You might say I'm hooked. > > You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. > Is there a vm+vim? (Not counting emacs with vi-bindings). I'd be > surprised if there were. I dunno - what's the scripting language like in vim? If it's sufficiently powerful, you could probably translate vm into it. > I use vim - best damn editor in the universe :wq! and maybe only 10% of > it. Who was it that said, I tried using emacs, but prefer simpler > operating systems. Well, I use either vi or ed when I want an editor. When I want an integrated working environment, I use Xemacs. Keith Bostic has threatened to kill me because of this - more than once, even. :-) http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:24:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C9137B416; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAS7Ns126630; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS7OFH20542; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:24:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:24:12 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/01 01:04 AM, Anthony Kim sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > Bara Zani types: > > > where can i find vm ? >=20 > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > I'm not sure. It's an emacs/xemacs package, both of which are in the > > ports - but I don't use the ports version of emacs, so I don't know if > > they install the vm package. If you install xemacs, you can use the > > xemacs package manager to add vm if it isn't there already. > >=20 > > Anthony Kim types: > > > Let me throw in 2 cents for mutt+fetchmail+procmail with Maildir. > > > I don't know how I could go without send-hook, mbox-hook, > > > folder-hook, fcc-save-hook. You might say I'm hooked. > >=20 > > You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. >=20 > Is there a vm+vim? (Not counting emacs with vi-bindings). I'd be > surprised if there were. Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. You can even use urlview to open html links in the browser of your choice, and can set your mime types to tell it how to open images, view M$ Word and Excel, pdf, etc. attachments inline. And it integrates nicely with gnupg/pgp. You can even learn cool geek tricks to get it to justify your text! :) The default key bindings are similar to vi, so you have much less to learn off the bat. > WRT: (x)?emacs+vm >=20 > I use vim - best damn editor in the universe :wq! and maybe only 10% of > it. Who was it that said, I tried using emacs, but prefer simpler > operating systems. Here here! I can't use anything else without noticing my blood pressure go up. If I have to touch that d@#&! mouse more than 5 times a day, I get bothered. And I spend a LOT of time on the computer. > Holy war? What holy war? :D L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Kinkler's Second Law: All the easy problems have been solved. --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BJEbeAPWYrNkRWIRArP/AJoCOphB09LwlSQS1q2oSXTgRQrMSQCeMe5a Zw41NyZdeRH7Ad0+Xas/BrA= =YTss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:24: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C9137B416; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from keyslapper.org (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [24.91.160.222]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAS7Ns126630; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by keyslapper.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS7OFH20542; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:24:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:24:12 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/01 01:04 AM, Anthony Kim sat at the `puter and typed: >=20 > Bara Zani types: > > > where can i find vm ? >=20 > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001, Mike Meyer wrote: > > I'm not sure. It's an emacs/xemacs package, both of which are in the > > ports - but I don't use the ports version of emacs, so I don't know if > > they install the vm package. If you install xemacs, you can use the > > xemacs package manager to add vm if it isn't there already. > >=20 > > Anthony Kim types: > > > Let me throw in 2 cents for mutt+fetchmail+procmail with Maildir. > > > I don't know how I could go without send-hook, mbox-hook, > > > folder-hook, fcc-save-hook. You might say I'm hooked. > >=20 > > You want hooks, vm's got'em - over 30. >=20 > Is there a vm+vim? (Not counting emacs with vi-bindings). I'd be > surprised if there were. Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. You can even use urlview to open html links in the browser of your choice, and can set your mime types to tell it how to open images, view M$ Word and Excel, pdf, etc. attachments inline. And it integrates nicely with gnupg/pgp. You can even learn cool geek tricks to get it to justify your text! :) The default key bindings are similar to vi, so you have much less to learn off the bat. > WRT: (x)?emacs+vm >=20 > I use vim - best damn editor in the universe :wq! and maybe only 10% of > it. Who was it that said, I tried using emacs, but prefer simpler > operating systems. Here here! I can't use anything else without noticing my blood pressure go up. If I have to touch that d@#&! mouse more than 5 times a day, I get bothered. And I spend a LOT of time on the computer. > Holy war? What holy war? :D L --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Kinkler's Second Law: All the easy problems have been solved. --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BJEbeAPWYrNkRWIRArP/AJoCOphB09LwlSQS1q2oSXTgRQrMSQCeMe5a Zw41NyZdeRH7Ad0+Xas/BrA= =YTss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:38:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF1737B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS7c7R50260; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:38:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , "Bob Hall" , Subject: FUD on small ISP's, was RE: this spam Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:38:06 -0800 Message-ID: <004001c177df$9e727c80$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011127193957.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of >jacks@sage-american.com >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:40 PM >To: Bob Hall; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: this spam > >Soooooo, I would guess that small ISP is trying to do something extra in >the way of services AND lower pricing in order to keep that customer base >and not just compete, but to STAY in business.... for as long as they >can... which is becoming harder and harder until they can no longer survive >against the bigger ISPs. I for one would NOT want to be a small struggling >ISP with skimpy resources in these tougher economic times with more dark >clouds ahead..... > >If and when the bigger ISP REALLY wants more market share (which includes >that of the smaller ISP) all they have to do is lower the price and >eliminate that pricing edge... then say goodbye to the smaller one who >cannot stand to lose too many customers, spam controls or not... > Jack, this is old baloney FUD and I hate to waste the time to debunk it again but here goes. It's a myth that an ISP is financially unsound because it's small. ISP's are financially sound or unsound as a result of dumb-ass business decisions they make. This year in particular we have seen Northpoint, Rhythms, Covad, PSInet, and @Home all go bankrupt. These were giant, rich ISPs, not small ones. We have also seen -enormous- acquisition activity as ISP's attempt to put each other out of business by buying each other. Then the merged ISP is itself purchased, and the purchaser is then itself purchased, and on and on. And I didn't even mention all the ISP's that aren't bankrupt yet but declared losses. There's some fundamental truths to running ISP's that the ISP community has finally begun to understand. The first and most important is that the larger the ISP, the more alike all it's customers must be. People wonder why AOL is doing so good - well it's because they focus on ONE customer type; the bonehead user that's never touched a modem and needs extensive hand-holding. You can't run servers on AOL, you cannot run multiple machines on AOL, they happily scrape you off their plate if you want to go DSL (with a lame-assed "network access only" accout) and once the AOL users get sophisticated they can't stand the AOL bullcrap and quit the service. But, AOL frankly couldn't give a damn because once the user has graduated from play-pen ISP to a real ISP, they don't fit AOL's model anymore and thus are unprofitable to keep around. Imagine users in a giant bell curve. The X-axis is level of sophistication, the Y axis is size of the market. The big national ISP's all focus smack-dab on the center of the bell curve. They don't want users that are completely green because those users consume too much tech support time, and they don't want users that are extremely sophisticated because those users are either bandwidth hogs, or they want the ISP to do things (like assigning them static IP numbers) that fly in the face of the automatic systems that the big ISP's have set up. They want all users to have the same 2.5 e-mail boxes and use the same 50.75 hours per month of modem time. In short, as long as the user is just like every other user on the service, they will service it, the second that the user deviates from the master plan, it becomes a liability and is convinced to leave. But, those users that are at the ends of the curve, well they have needs and money too. They are people like you that want to run mailservers at home, they are businesses that have wanky networks that need tech support on occassionally, they are the weird, the misfits, the troublemakers, the people that demand to call the ISP and get a tech support person that knows their head from their ass. The smaller ISP's specialize in this market and do it very well. TO say as you do that the larger ISP's would be willing to lower prices to attempt to include this market is nothing more than the random musings of someone who knows very, very little about how real ISP's operate and market. The larger ISP's are not interested in the least in this market, it's absurd to think that they would make a single modification to their networks to accomodate any of these users in it. The idea that they would lower prices for it is hashish-induced dreams, and to think that users at the ends of the bell curve would be interested in those large cookie-cutter networks that have nothing in common with what they want done is a joke. Something gives me a feeling that your spouting all this because you unconsciously yearn for the good old days on the Internet when Mommy and Daddy US Government was underwriting all of it and all the kiddies were playing at the universities for free. You seem to be saying that the natural course of the Internet is for ISP's to continue to compete with each other and cut their prices repeatedly until nobody is charging anything for anything. Well, this ain't gonna happen. The ISP's that all thought like this and dropped their prices last year are now all bankrupt and the ones that refused to do it are still alive and profitable. The few ISP's like AT&T that thought the Internet was some sort of super-television and that charged subrate prices on the idea that it would increase their market share, thinking that advertiser dollars would cover the rest, are tired of losing money and are scraping off the freeloaders. Sorry, but the party is over. ISP's today are out there working with real customers for their money, they aren't speculating on Adam Smith economics theories. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:42:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web10008.mail.yahoo.com (web10008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB6937B417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128074220.31010.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.219.51.7] by web10008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:20 PST Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Kersten Subject: Developers & Contributors Please Read.... To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To all that help out, I am not sure that this is the proper list, but it is aimed at everyone that develops for the FreeBSD project or contributes in any positive way to the OS and this list....I just wanted to say: "THANKS". Developers: What you have done is absolutely amazing, and although I know so little about the OS right now...after using it a month, I am struggling to find a *good* reason to use anything but. So....my hat goes off to you... Those that reply to the list with positive feedback: Without you, people like me would not have the patience to even give it a shot.....what a shame that would be... Thanks again to everyone who helps.. 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GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Nov 27 23:42:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EAC37B405 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS7gcR50274; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ryan Thompson" , "Lee Mark Mercado" Cc: Subject: RE: passwd Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:42:38 -0800 Message-ID: <004101c177e0$40cc6040$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ryan Thompson >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:12 PM >To: Lee Mark Mercado >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: passwd > > >Lee Mark Mercado wrote to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG: > >> is there a way that a user could change their user-password >> without logging into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? >> >> any ideas will greatly help. Not all my users now about telnet and >> i was thinking that a website form for changing password might be >> easier for them. > >Sure... There are a few ways to do this. If your passwords are stored >in a UNIX passwd database (i.e., /etc/spwd.db), it's not as easy as >you might think, to change passwords over the web. If you're stuck >using the passwd database, there isn't a trivially straightforward way >to get the job done that I'm aware of. > >I have had good success, however, using the expect programming >language (from ports) in conjunction with su(1) and passwd(1), >running as a CGI script. The rest is just chat script logic that >parses the various inputs and outputs from passwd(1) in an >"interactive" way, and returns appropriate status to the user. > >If you (or others) are interested, I may be able to blow the dust off >of that script. > Another way to do this (assuming that the UNIX system is also a mailserver) is to compile and install the password-changing daemon program from Qualcom. Eudora actually has a button that talks to this and allows the user to change it's password, there's also a standalone Windows client that can do it, and there's a webform CGI that does it too using this daemon. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0: 4:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A51137B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA34365; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:04:18 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "doug" Cc: "FreeBSD Question List" Subject: RE: cvsup question Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:08:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of doug > Sent: 28 November 2001 02:13 > To: Giorgos Keramidas > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: cvsup question > > > I am using cvsup-16.1d. This does not seems like those kinds of tolerances > were involved :) > Doug, you should, in fact, be on 16.1e. Again - this is surprising behaviour - when I tried using 16.1d after the billion-second error was fixed and 16.1e was released, the CVSUP server refused to serve me because my version was old. I had to install 16.1e before it allowed me to go on! Is the problem perhaps that the CVS mirror server you are using is not being taken care of? Perhaps it has not been updated to 16.1e ?!?!? Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0: 9: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02F137B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS88iR50340; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:08:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sreenivasan P Subramanian" , Subject: RE: spanning tree imp in Freebsd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:08:43 -0800 Message-ID: <005301c177e3$e5cd40c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <007f01c177c6$3286f5a0$3a02910a@snrpro5219> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sreenivasan P >Subramanian >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:36 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: spanning tree imp in Freebsd > > >hi, > >am currently working on a porting prjct; porting bridging module from >Freebsd to Linux. > >i need to get the spanning tree implementation in Freebsd. _what_ spanning tree implementation in FreeBSD? Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:11:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wiproecmx2.wipro.com (wiproecmx2.wipro.com [164.164.31.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA7937B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ecvwall1.wipro.com (ecvwall1.wipro.com [164.164.23.6]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAS8Bh100796 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:41:44 +0530 (IST) Received: from snrpro5219 ([10.145.2.58]) by arabhi.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNI3YK00.TYP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:38:44 +0530 Message-ID: <004801c177e4$41942040$3a02910a@snrpro5219> From: "Sreenivasan P Subramanian" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , References: <005301c177e3$e5cd40c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: spanning tree imp in Freebsd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:41:13 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit implementation of spanning tree protocol for bridging. i heard that in Freebsd it is implemented in the user space. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sreenivasan P Subramanian" ; Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: RE: spanning tree imp in Freebsd > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sreenivasan P > >Subramanian > >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:36 PM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: spanning tree imp in Freebsd > > > > > >hi, > > > >am currently working on a porting prjct; porting bridging module from > >Freebsd to Linux. > > > >i need to get the spanning tree implementation in Freebsd. > > _what_ spanning tree implementation in FreeBSD? > > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="Wipro_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Wipro_Disclaimer.txt" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information transmitted by this E-MAIL is proprietary to Wipro and/or its Customers and is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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In such cases, please notify us immediately at mailto:mailadmin@wipro.com and delete this mail from your records. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:21:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCAC37B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a172.otenet.gr [212.205.215.172]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fAS8LD815211; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:21:13 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS8LD001903; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:21:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:21:11 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Brian Rudy Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dial up Internet Connection Message-ID: <20011128082110.GA1844@hades.hell.gr> References: <3C0289BD.73BD3554@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C0289BD.73BD3554@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-26 13:28:13, Brian Rudy wrote: > Hello all; > > I am running FreeBSD V. 4.3 and have a modem attached to one of the > serial ports on the box. I use KDE as my windows manager and can dial > (successfully) my ISP while I'm in KDE (using KDE's Internet Dialer) and > can do everything on the internet that I want to do. > > What I would like to do is be able to dial the internet without > starting KDE. Can someone walk me through what I need to do to make > this happen? You might find the "Pedantic PPP Primer" book useful. It is available online at http://www.FreeBSD.org/ at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer/index.html -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:24:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.euronet.nl (zaphod.euronet.nl [194.134.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2B137B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernst@localhost) by zaphod.euronet.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS8OTH82853; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:24:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ernst) Message-Id: <200111280824.fAS8OTH82853@zaphod.euronet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan To: =?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8ren=20Neigaard?= , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: How to make a start/stop/restart script Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:24:29 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <1006883831.2096.24.camel@lapdancer.dk> In-Reply-To: <1006883831.2096.24.camel@lapdancer.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Søren, Take a look at the Orion port (/usr/ports/www/orion/), it installs an 'orionctl' script that starts and stops a Java process (namely the Orion application server). Ernst On Tuesday 27 November 2001 18:57, Søren Neigaard wrote: > Sorry for the offtopic mail, but I know you guys know the answer :) > > How do I make a script that can start/stop/restart a Java process? > Somting about probing the process string, but how do I do it!? > > It has to work on both Unix and Linux too :) -- Ernst de Haan EuroNet Internet B.V. "Come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" -- Jesus Christ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:26: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net [209.85.227.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478637B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (big@localhost.KuwaitNet.Net [127.0.0.1]) by FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (8.12.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAS8PwX1026561; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (big@localhost) by FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id fAS8Pwlv026558; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net: big owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:25:58 +0300 (AST) From: Bashar To: Lee Mark Mercado Cc: Subject: Re: passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011128112449.U26434-100000@FreeBSD.KuwaitNet.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG change their shell to /usr/bin/passwd and install web-based telnet client KuwaitNet Communications Inc. Bashar A AlAbdulhadi UNIX Systems Administrator bashar@kuwaitnet.net http://www.KuwaitNet.net Phone: (-) +965-2647060 Fax: (KW) +965-5337060 Phone: (KW) +965-807060 Fax: (US) +801-4373934 ICQ UIN: 19907999 Pager: (KW) 9327060 MSN: big@kuwaitnet.net YaHoO ID: kuwaitnets "Quality, Stability, 24 Hours Tech. Support" "Think KuwaitNet" On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Lee Mark Mercado wrote: > is there a way that a user could change their user-password without logging > into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? > > any ideas will greatly help. Not all my users now about telnet and i was > thinking that a website form for changing password might be easier for them. > > thx > -Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:26:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EECA37B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a172.otenet.gr [212.205.215.172]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fAS8Q6825732; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:26:07 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS8Q5b02009; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:26:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:26:03 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jonathan Hilgeman Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to Kill Active UNIX Domain Sockets Message-ID: <20011128082602.GB1844@hades.hell.gr> References: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F07F@mailsvr.ecx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F07F@mailsvr.ecx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-26 17:38:27, Jonathan Hilgeman wrote: > Sorry about the barrage of questions today, but can someone tell me how I > can close down "Active UNIX domain sockets" that are listed in netstat? I > have 28 pages of this (with different addresses at the beginning): > > d68fce00 stream 0 0 0 0 0 0 > /tmp/mysql.sock > > How can I close all these? I think they're barraging my server. You can use sockstat's -lu options to find the process ID of the programs that have these open, and kill the programs: $ sockstat -lu USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO ADDRESS root screen 1819 4 stream /tmp/screens/S-charon/1819.ttyv1.hades charon ssh-agen 268 3 stream /tmp/ssh-Oq3O6X8E/agent.267 root screen 242 4 stream /tmp/screens/S-sysop/242.ttyv0.hades bind named 164 5 stream /var/run/ndc root syslogd 158 3 dgram /var/run/log Look at the ADDRESS and PID columns :-) -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:28:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from longfellow.nbrewer.com (nbrewer.dsl.visi.com [208.42.141.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF95337B41A; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by longfellow.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0AC79195F; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:28:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:28:08 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org>; from leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:24:12AM -0500 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? I see an astonishing number of email messages like this, and I've never really spent the time to figure out whether it was mutt, vim, postfix, or procmail doing this. From from from ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:28:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from longfellow.nbrewer.com (nbrewer.dsl.visi.com [208.42.141.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF95337B41A; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by longfellow.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0AC79195F; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:28:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:28:08 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org>; from leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:24:12AM -0500 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? I see an astonishing number of email messages like this, and I've never really spent the time to figure out whether it was mutt, vim, postfix, or procmail doing this. From from from ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:30:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C35A37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS8UTR50422; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Courtney Thomas" Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" , Subject: RE: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <005401c177e6$ef983e40$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C03961A.2060109@flash.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Courtney Thomas >Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:33 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Anthony Atkielski; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > >Speaking of Exabyte drives, I [am trying to :-)]use the 8500 [no >compression] but.............. >can't get it to stream, after trying many permutations [and a couple of >days] of possible commands. Oh no, not stop-n-go! >BTW, an Athlon 750mhz w/256MB ram, AHA1520 card. I realize this is a low >end card but it has worked in another machine OK. The drive is almost >unused since new and appears to work satisfactorily other than no streaming. >I've read the dump, st, and buffer man pages and the st page in >particular documents the driver functionality in extremis [for only a >user :-)] nevertheless it is clear that there are many, many >potentially troublesome variables that it seems to me only a proficient >C programmer with lots of time and a real good working knowledge of >things SCSI could probe. Those variables are things that you probably don't need to worry about. >The command I'm using is............... > dump 0ub 64 / | `buffer -s 16k > /dev/tape` What happens when you try getting rid of the "buffer" and just dumping directly to the device, such as /sbin/dump 0ubf 64 /dev/tape / >Since you use a DAT at home and are familiar with [at least the Exabyte] >8mm drives, hopefully you can point me to a resolution. >Also, since this is a discontinued product, Exabyte is no help, now, >though they were vigorously supportive when I first got the drive. This is an old story, sadly, Exabyte isn't the only one. One thing about the Exabyte 8200's is that they had a series of ROM releases for the drive. Do you have the most current firmware in the drive? You can purchase the latest code for your drive from Exabyte. (or could, at one time) A lot of the 8200 ROM's were custom jobs for icky old AS/400's and other stuff like that and had lots of features lacking, like SCSI-1 only, etc. What's the dmesg output of the system? Anyway, it's quite possible that the AHA1520 isn't to blame, but if it was me I'd pick up a cheap Tekram or other PCI SCSI card and try that. As your no doubt aware your CPU and disk can feed data to the tape drive far faster than the drive can accept it, thus it should never underrun and should stream. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:33:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AFC37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a172.otenet.gr [212.205.215.172]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fAS8Wx811069; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:32:59 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAS8WrP02066; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:32:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:32:52 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Calculating swap file size Message-ID: <20011128083251.GD1844@hades.hell.gr> References: <15363.24098.8617.782371@guru.mired.org> <006101c17728$2fdfae30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006101c17728$2fdfae30$0a00000a@atkielski.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-27 10:45:01, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > The FAQ says: > > "Note that while FreeBSD is proactive in this regard [swapping pages out in > anticipation of a need for memory], it does not arbitrarily decide to swap pages > when the system is truly idle." > > As far as I can tell, my lightly loaded system never uses the swap file at all: > > freebie# swapinfo > Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type > /dev/ad0s1b 819072 0 819072 0% Interleaved > > So it would appear that the swap file is not touched below some threshold of > system activity. Well, not quite so. On my lightly' loaded machine, that runs a few services that are rarely (if ever) used, swap *is* being used: $ uptime 10:29AM up 2:52, 1 user, load averages: 0.17, 0.32, 0.50 $ swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/ad0s1b 1048448 5560 1042888 1% Interleaved Understanding how the virtual memory subsystem works in FreeBSD is a bit out of my reach right now, but I think that it will swap out idle processes after a while. Perhaps I'm wrong... -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:40:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5087237B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA35322; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:40:09 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "Scott Gerhardt" , "FreeBSD" Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:44:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Gerhardt > Sent: 27 November 2001 23:53 > > Is there a preferred message protocol for responding to this list? > I think it would be helpful is there was some sort of guidling > for composing and replying to messages. > [snip] > > - Trim off anything that does not pertain to the current message. > > > - Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________ > > Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. > Gerhardt Information Technologies > _________________________________ > I have two comments, and one further question for this thread: Comment 1: "Trim off anything that does not pertain..." - like the 15 lines between your message and your -sig- perhaps? :) Comment 2: Given the fact that this is an international community, we are all quite willing to accept that many posters do not speak English as their first language. I am never offended by a poster who is obviously experiencing difficulty in expressing him or herself in English. However, it is very easy to run your mail through a spell check before sending, and (I think) the simple rules of capitalization and punctuation are quite universal. It is a simple display of common courtesy to ensure that your message is respectable. if i cant make time to post proply then y should any1 think i have spent time trying to solve the prob myself - u no what i mean. pls reply asap Question: Who should responses go to. My habit, as you can see in this message, is to respond to the poster directly, as well as to the list. This way, posters who are not subscribed will still get the response, but those who are subscribed will get it twice. I'm not sure which is the lesser of the two evils? However, I try to be careful not to simply hit "Reply to all" because if we all did that the replies would go to the list and to all those who have previously responded to the thread. Any comments? Regards, Patrick O'Reilly. ----------------- Disk Space - the final frontier... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 0:47: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488137B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAS8ktR50461; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Sreenivasan P Subramanian" , Subject: RE: spanning tree imp in Freebsd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:46:55 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c177e9$3bbcd180$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <004801c177e4$41942040$3a02910a@snrpro5219> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Sreenivasan P Subramanian >[mailto:sreenivasan.subramanian@wipro.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:11 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: spanning tree imp in Freebsd > > >implementation of spanning tree protocol for bridging. >i heard that in Freebsd it is implemented in the user space. > I think someone steered you wrong. FreeBSD has no such support. You want OpenBSD. See the manual pages on the OpenBSD utility "brconfig" with the "stp" option. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 1:42:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2DAA37B41F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:42:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128094230.79436.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.5.174.25] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:42:30 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Olga Zenkova Subject: sendmail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, all! 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.de (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92FE37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1691rS-0006Kt-0R; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:38 +0100 Received: from peedub.muc.de (520017439985-0001@[217.228.216.24]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1691rL-1PlLmKC; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:31 +0100 Received: by peedub.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.1) id fASAMMF38444; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from garyj) Message-Id: <200111281022.fASAMMF38444@peedub.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Gary Jennejohn Reply-To: garyj@jennejohn.org To: "N. Evermann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD4.4 ,i4b +ELSA PCC16 ISDN Card; ISDND153 ERR Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:21 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <01112221561600.00642@pluto.lan-ks.de> <200111242257.fAOMv1d09532@peedub.muc.de> <01112723345500.00627@pluto.lan-ks.de> In-Reply-To: <01112723345500.00627@pluto.lan-ks.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 520017439985-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 27 November 2001 23:34, N. Evermann wrote: > On Saturday 24 November 2001 23:56, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > This weill happen if you forgot ``options ELSA_PCC16" in the > > kernel configuration file. > > not understand? > > Have anyone a bugfix for ELSA PCC16 ISDN Card, under FreeBSD > 4.4? From the isic man page: ELSA PCC-16: options "ELSA_PCC16" device isic0 at isa? port 0x360 irq 10 flags 20 If you don't have both the options and device line in the kernel configuration file then it will not work correctly. Do you even know what a kernel configuration file is ? Read the isic man page. -- Gary Jennejohn garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 2:47:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es (217-126-145-95.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.145.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5523A37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by unicorn.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 113DE314A; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:47:22 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail References: <20011128094230.79436.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> From: Simon J Mudd Date: 28 Nov 2001 11:47:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: siro200@yahoo.com's message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:43:20 +0000 (UTC)" Message-ID: <86lmgruq86.fsf@unicorn.ea4els.ampr.org> Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG siro200@yahoo.com (Olga Zenkova) writes: > Hi, all! > When I try to send mail I get in maillog: > stat=Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find > your hostname, [address] > > How can I correct this? The mail server doesn't accept your mail because you are providing a EHLO hostname which is not resolvable. you can't just make up hostnames and expect to talk to other mail servers. The error message looks specific to postfix. If you are using a dialup connection or a ADSL connection then attempt to check which hostname is appropriate for your ip address and use that instead. Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Tel: +34-91-408 4878, Mobile: +34-605-085 219 Madrid, Spain. email: sjmudd@pobox.com, Postfix RPM Packager To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 3: 0:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2946537B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-38ld7oh.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.159.17] helo=aol.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1692RB-0002Gf-00 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:59:34 -0800 From: "Adam Maynard" <_adam@cirrusnetworks.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 3:31:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5915C37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 99599 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 11:31:14 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.51970.909835.759019@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:31:14 -0600 To: "Patrick O'Reilly" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: <105866107@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 3:39:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gw.smarts-gsm.ru (gw.smarts-gsm.ru [194.190.8.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D52B37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vss@localhost) by gw.smarts-gsm.ru (8.11.3/8.11.0-vlm) id fASBdDp52284 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.AVP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:39:13 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: ns.smarts-gsm.ru: vss set sender to vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru using -f Received: (from vss@localhost) by gw.smarts-gsm.ru (8.11.3/8.11.0-vlm) id fASBdDe52276 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:39:13 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:39:13 +0300 From: Vlad Skvortsov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: route add -interface Message-ID: <20011128143913.M11977@smarts-gsm.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello ! [Please CC: any answers back to me, I'm not on the list !] I'm trying to set up a connection with our peer using sbni adapter (http://www.granch.ru). The specific of the situation is that ISP routes a block of 4 ip addresses to our router via modem line and I have to forward one of these addresses to peer. ISP cisco ========== =========================== 1.2.3.4 | -- modem --> | 1.2.3.5 | | 192.168.1.1 | -- ethernet --> ========== =========================== Internal router Peer =============================== =========== ----> | 192.168.1.2 | | 192.168.2.1 | -- sbni -> | 2.3.4.1 | =============================== =========== ISP forwards a block of addresses, say, 2.3.4.0/30 to 1.2.3.5. Cisco router forwards them to some internal servers. My task is to forward one address, 2.3.4.1, to peer. The problem is that I cannot setup internal router to properly forward this address to peer. Peer cannot set 192.168.2.x address on his end of sbni interface (windows there ...). So I configure my end this way: # ifconfig sbni1 192.168.2.1 netmask 0xffffffff # route add 2.3.4.1 -interface sbni1 Pinging 2.3.4.1 fails with redirect FROM MY END 192.168.2.1 (redirected to 2.3.4.1). When I start exploring the situation, it reveals that ARP table contains record with MY MAC address and IP of PEER. When I see netstat -nr output I discover that there is an entry containing PEER's ip address and MY ip address (though with proper interface specified). Is this a bug in sbni driver or is this a misbehaviour of freebsd route add command ? 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uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 11:53:20 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15364.53296.760655.58854@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:53:20 -0600 To: Christopher Farley Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. In-Reply-To: <56069522@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christopher Farley types: > Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: > > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? That's a Unixism. The original Unix mail program prepended a line to each message to indicate the start of the message. The mail reader from that era looked for those lines when parsing a mailbox into message. The lines looked something like [pause to watch the Disk meter on gkrellm while my find grovels over my mail archives] this: From mwm Thu, 18 Nov 93 23:12:14 PST To prevent mail user agents from incorrectly finding the start of a message inside a message, any line that started "From " was translated to ">From " before delivery. Idealy, such mechanisms are removed before the user sees them, but that doesn't always happen. For more information, find a copy of "The Unix-Haters Handbook". No, let me change that - to become a more informed person, *read* a copy of "The Unix-Haters Handbook". Find out all the things that Unix did wrong that it's predecessors did right, and why Unix sucks. If you can't find the book - because the original owners are unwilling to loan them out, but will let you look at their Unix Barf Bag, you can read parts of it at . http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4: 0:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E0737B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:00:26 -0800 Received: from 147.83.30.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:00:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [147.83.30.4] From: "Cristina Molla Garcia" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Building a new kernel Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:00:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 12:00:26.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[4441F4A0:01C17804] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I want to build a new kernel but I have some problems when I'm compiling it. I am modifying a file "input.c" and I need to use the mathematical function "log", so I include "math.h". But it doesn't work. The compilation produces the following errors: /usr/include/math.h: 119: conflicting types for 'log' ../../sys/systm.h: 116: previous declaration for 'log' /usr/include/math.h: 119: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'log'in same scope ../../sys/systm.h: 116: previous declaration for 'log' /usr/include/math.h: 177: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype /usr/include/math.h: 260: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype After that, the compilation fails. I think that this problem occurs because the function log belongs to "math.h" and "systm.h". What can I do? I've tried different things but it doesn't work. Thanks, Cristina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:10: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E25C37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id fASC9J346098; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:09:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:09:19 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Vlad Skvortsov Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: route add -interface Message-ID: <20011128140919.A42977@sunbay.com> References: <20011128143913.M11977@smarts-gsm.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128143913.M11977@smarts-gsm.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:39:13PM +0300, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Hello ! > > [Please CC: any answers back to me, I'm not on the list !] > > I'm trying to set up a connection with our peer using sbni adapter > (http://www.granch.ru). The specific of the situation is that ISP routes a > block of 4 ip addresses to our router via modem line and I have to forward > one of these addresses to peer. > > ISP cisco > ========== =========================== > 1.2.3.4 | -- modem --> | 1.2.3.5 | | 192.168.1.1 | -- ethernet --> > ========== =========================== > > Internal router Peer > =============================== =========== > ----> | 192.168.1.2 | | 192.168.2.1 | -- sbni -> | 2.3.4.1 | > =============================== =========== > > ISP forwards a block of addresses, say, 2.3.4.0/30 to 1.2.3.5. Cisco > router forwards them to some internal servers. My task is to forward one > address, 2.3.4.1, to peer. > > The problem is that I cannot setup internal router to properly > forward this address to peer. Peer cannot set 192.168.2.x address on his end > of sbni interface (windows there ...). So I configure my end this way: > > # ifconfig sbni1 192.168.2.1 netmask 0xffffffff > # route add 2.3.4.1 -interface sbni1 > > Pinging 2.3.4.1 fails with redirect FROM MY END 192.168.2.1 > (redirected to 2.3.4.1). When I start exploring the situation, it reveals > that ARP table contains record with MY MAC address and IP of PEER. When I > see netstat -nr output I discover that there is an entry containing PEER's > ip address and MY ip address (though with proper interface specified). > > Is this a bug in sbni driver or is this a misbehaviour of freebsd > route add command ? I run FreeBSD 4.2. > So, your purpose is to resolve the 2.3.4.1 address through the ARP on the sbni1 attached ethernet-type network, right? You can do this in two ways. 1. The standard way. Configure your sbni1 interface with netmask other than 255.255.255.255 and give the peer an address in the 192.168.2 network, say 192.168.2.2. Then, the following command will DTRT: route add -host 2.3.4.1 192.168.2.2 2. A magnician's way. Bring your sbni1 interface up, without even configuring any IP address on it! Then the following command should DTRT: route add -net 2.3.4.1/32 -iface sbni1 -cloning This tells your kernel that it should resolve 2.3.4.1/32 addresses through the ARP on the sbni1 attached network. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:13:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dehumanizer.meganet.pt (hyperion.meganet.pt [194.38.131.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F5B37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from deh@localhost) by dehumanizer.meganet.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASCDe803809 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:13:40 GMT (envelope-from deh) Message-Id: <200111281213.fASCDe803809@dehumanizer.meganet.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Pedro Timoteo Organization: OniSolutions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD VS OpenBSD/Netbsd/etc... Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:13:40 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20011128052112.HYNU22911.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> <20011127233647.A1879@northernbrewer.com> In-Reply-To: <20011127233647.A1879@northernbrewer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday 28 November 2001 05:36, you wrote: > tyler spivey (tspivey8@home.com) wrote: > > i have a pentium 200 mhz, 128 mb of ram, and a 5 gig hd. > > what bsd implementation is faster? > > My personal benchmarks show that FreeBSD-4.4 is over 50% faster than > OpenBSD 2.9, and a whopping 9.2 times faster than NetBSD 1.5.2. If you enable softupdates on both Free and Open, they are pretty similar = in=20 perfomance. I haven't tried Net yet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:14:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from toast.astarte.de (proxy1.astarte.de [194.45.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB39937B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:14:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:13:38 +0100 From: John Meredith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Bizarre FTP transfer problems Message-ID: <20011128131338.A15568@astarte.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've come across a wierd problem with regards to Windows clients transferring files to/from a FreeBSD box I've set up. Linux/FreeBSD/Mac clients work splendidly - not a hitch. Even the windows console client ftp program works without a hitch. Changing the FTP server does not make a difference (ftpd, pure-ftpd, and proftpd) either. Same problem. The reason I'm asking this list is that it's only affecting FreeBSD machines. Transfers work flawlessly on Linux servers. The server is on our internal network and not accessible from outside, so I can't imagine it being a network problem. ASCII/Binary doesn't make a difference either. Tried everything I can think of. Has anyone come across this problem before? Any help/pointers appreciated. Regards, John -- John Meredith Fon : +49 (0)721 98554-0 ASTARTE NEW MEDIA AG Fax : +49 (0)721 98554-99 Waldstrasse 65 Mobil: +49 (0)171 8051018 D-76133 Karlsruhe Web : http://www.astarte.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:18:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from toast.astarte.de (proxy1.astarte.de [194.45.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2C137B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:18:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:18:28 +0100 From: John Meredith To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bizarre FTP transfer problems Message-ID: <20011128131828.A26960@astarte.de> References: <20011128131338.A15568@astarte.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128131338.A15568@astarte.de>; from john@astarte.de on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:13:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry. I forgot to mention that the clients in question (CuteFTP, EditPlus!) transfer just over 8000bytes before stalling (I think the number was 8698bytes) or so. The logs on the server say that the files was transferred correctly. TIA. - John > Hi, > > I've come across a wierd problem with regards to Windows clients transferring > files to/from a FreeBSD box I've set up. Linux/FreeBSD/Mac clients work > splendidly - not a hitch. Even the windows console client ftp program works > without a hitch. > > Changing the FTP server does not make a difference (ftpd, pure-ftpd, > and proftpd) either. Same problem. > > The reason I'm asking this list is that it's only affecting FreeBSD machines. > Transfers work flawlessly on Linux servers. > > The server is on our internal network and not accessible from outside, so I > can't imagine it being a network problem. ASCII/Binary doesn't make a > difference either. Tried everything I can think of. > > Has anyone come across this problem before? Any help/pointers appreciated. > > Regards, > > John > > -- > John Meredith Fon : +49 (0)721 98554-0 > ASTARTE NEW MEDIA AG Fax : +49 (0)721 98554-99 > Waldstrasse 65 Mobil: +49 (0)171 8051018 > D-76133 Karlsruhe Web : http://www.astarte.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- John Meredith Fon : +49 (0)721 98554-0 ASTARTE NEW MEDIA AG Fax : +49 (0)721 98554-99 Waldstrasse 65 Mobil: +49 (0)171 8051018 D-76133 Karlsruhe Web : http://www.astarte.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:25:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from exchns02.PQAfrica.co.za (mail2.pqafrica.co.za [196.29.130.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7055337B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchns02.pqafrica.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:16:06 +0200 Message-ID: <501BF453CDCFD111A6E40080C83DAC04E4BB1D@PSICS001> From: Vikash Badal / PCS To: 'Sven Brandenburg' , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 2 ip adresses on 1 interface Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:18:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >>>inet 212.68.64.136 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 the netmask should be 0xffffffff -----Original Message----- From: Sven Brandenburg [mailto:sven@crashme.org] Sent: 26 November 2001 10:08 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2 ip adresses on 1 interface Hullo :-) I may be plain stupid but iirc this used to work : --- bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 212.68.64.165 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 inet6 fe80::250:4ff:fe66:fbf0%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:50:04:66:fb:f0 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 212.68.64.136 alias bash-2.04# ifconfig xl0 xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 212.68.64.165 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 inet6 fe80::250:4ff:fe66:fbf0%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 212.68.64.136 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 212.68.64.255 ether 00:50:04:66:fb:f0 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active bash-2.04# ping 212.68.64.136 PING 212.68.64.136 (212.68.64.136): 56 data bytes ^C --- 212.68.64.136 ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss bash-2.04# netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire [..snip..] 212.68.64 link#1 UC 12 0 xl0 212.68.64.136 link#1 UHLW 0 2 xl0 --- i dont know what im missing here - please help me out, looks like i am blinded somehow, the idea is just to add another ip address to the interface xl0 in the same /24 v4 subnet - nothing fancy at all. regards :-) Sven Brandenburg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:29:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBFF37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA42043; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:29:09 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:05 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <15364.51970.909835.759019@guru.mired.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Meyer [mailto:mwm@mired.org] > Sent: 28 November 2001 13:31 > > Since this list is advertised as *the* address for help with FreeBSD, > you'll get lots of people asking questions who aren't on the > list. Hence letting subscribers see it twice is the lesser of two > evils. > > ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cc.kmu.edu.tw (c198.cc.kmu.edu.tw [163.15.154.198]) by cc.kmu.edu.tw (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASCXck26324; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:33:39 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from cch@cc.kmu.edu.tw) Message-ID: <3C04D9F2.4050803@cc.kmu.edu.tw> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:34:58 +0800 From: Chih-Chang Hsieh Reply-To: cch@cc.kmu.edu.tw Organization: KMU Computer Center User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011124 X-Accept-Language: zh-tw, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, william.paul@windriver.com Subject: Has anyone worked with DGE-500SX (lge)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have tested the Gigabit Ethernet Card: DGE-500SX with Nortel Passport 8600 (Layer3 campus core switch) and IBM 8275-326 (24port 100baseTX + 1port 1000baseSX), but it fails. If it links to Nortel Passport 8600 before kernel boots, the link LED is on. After kernel booting, the link LED is off. If it links to IBM 8275-326, the link LED is on before and after kernel booting. But I can not connect to any other hosts on the same switch. Has anyone tried it out with anyother switch? I have also tested DGE-500SX to DGE-500SX, it works. But its throughput is low, ftp speed is about 14MB/s. Is this a normal condition? Could anyone recommend a "better" gigabit NIC? My two PCs are: PIII 1GHz, 256MB RAM, ATA100 HD, all 32-bits PCI slot. My OS: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE Thanks in advance for any advices. -- Chih-Chang Hsieh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 4:37:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F18737B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 04:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir05nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.37]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fASCYtc03983 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:34:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh11nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir05nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:36:56 +0200 Received: from jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com (hedhcp214114.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.214.114]) by esebh11nok.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.78) id XVV17743; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:36:56 +0200 Received: (from jylitalo@localhost) by jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASCb4N02829 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:37:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:37:04 +0200 From: "Ylitalo Juha . O" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ssh agent forwarding with FreeBSD and Linux... Message-ID: <20011128143703.D1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I have found funny problem, but I don't know where I should report about it or if someone would have solution for it. To summarize it, ssh authentication agent forwarding doesnt seem to work in ssh protocol 2 To give you complete picture about situation, we probably should start with more detailed information about environment. It consists one RedHat Linux 7.1 (openssh 2.9p2) and FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE (openssh 2.3.0). In RH box, I've started my session with "exec ssh-agent gnome-session", I've then added my sshv1 and sshv2 identities into agent. [jylitalo@jylitwork jylitalo]$ ssh-add -l 1024 84:c6:5d:ab:21:62:32:84:5d:cd:fd:f9:2b:f3:40:6f jylitalo@jylitpc.ntc.nokia.com (RSA1) 1024 0d:38:19:99:b6:9a:8e:29:db:5c:5f:0e:df:a3:7c:94 dsa w/o comment (DSA) [jylitalo@jylitwork jylitalo]$ I have first identity in FreeBSD machines ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and second one in authorized_keys2 file and I don't have any problems at doing ssh commands from RH box to FreeBSD. Things start going wrong, if I first open session with "ssh -A FreeBSD" and then try to give "ssh-add -l". bash-2.05$ ssh-add -l Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. bash-2.05$ Also I don't seem to have SSH_AUTH_SOCK defined in my environment. Work-around to this situation is to use "ssh -1 -A FreeBSD" command for that session, because then "ssh-add -l" will work correctly and I have SSH_AUTH_SOCK is defined. If someone has found same situation and found way to fix it (other than editing /etc/ssh/ssh_config in RH box), I would love to hear about it. -- Juha Ylitalo juha.o.ylitalo@nokia.com +358 40 562 6152 http://www.iki.fi/~jylitalo "Some tools are used, because its policy, others because they are good." 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2001 05:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from crag.niss.com (localhost.niss.com [127.0.0.1]) by crag.niss.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASD3cA90650; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:03:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from listS+freebsd-questions@niss.com) Message-Id: <200111281303.fASD3cA90650@crag.niss.com> From: Scott Bolte To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Re: Accepting syslog messages from a router MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <90647.1006952618.1@crag.niss.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:03:38 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 03:12:54 +0100, "Anthony Atkielski" wrote: > > Is there a tool that will show me the contents of the packets being sent by > the router, so I can see exactly what facility and text it is actually > sending? Use ethereal from the ports collection. It will show you not only the syslog packets, but it will tell you if they are local1, local7, etc. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 5:14:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from oflmta01bw.bigpond.com (unknown [139.134.6.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E80537B405; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org ([144.135.24.84]) by oflmta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNIIF300.HP8; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:21:03 +1000 Received: from CPE-203-45-118-167.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([203.45.118.167]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0e 47/1661806); 28 Nov 2001 23:14:20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Danny To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: 16 Bit Integrated Sound(onboard ) ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:11:33 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01112800113300.00408@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am having some problem with my ondboard sound card. I did the things listed below and I still cannot get any sound. 1) I have the following sound card. - 16 Bit Integrated Sound(onboard) 2)I have added the following and compiled the KERNEL -options PNPBIOS -device pcm 3) Here is the output of dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Nov 25 22:22:24 EST 2001 dannyho@freebsd.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYKERNEL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (933.37-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x387f9ff real memory = 117374976 (114624K bytes) avail memory = 109514752 (106948K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc049e000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 ohci0: mem 0xdffdf000-0xdffdffff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: AcerLabs OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcm0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci0 pci0: (vendor=0x13f6, dev=0x0211) at 12.1 irq 9 sis0: port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 0xdffde000-0xdffdefff irq 3 at device 14.0 on pci0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:d0:09:cb:97:8b miibus0: on sis0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf irq 0 at device 15.0 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ed0: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 3 at device 20.0 on pci0 ed0: address 00:4f:49:0a:1f:8d, type NE2000 (16 bit) fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/1 bytes threshold plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad0: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 acd0: DVD-ROM at ata0-slave using PIO4 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a pid 384 (artsd), uid 1000: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) 4) Here is the output of cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Nov 25 2001 22:21:55 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xd800 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 5:16:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from exchns02.PQAfrica.co.za (mail2.pqafrica.co.za [196.29.130.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463C337B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchns02.pqafrica.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:13:26 +0200 Message-ID: <501BF453CDCFD111A6E40080C83DAC04E4BB27@PSICS001> From: Vikash Badal / PCS To: "Freebsd-Questions (E-mail)" Subject: Which provides a better firewall (ipfw or ipf) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:15:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, I have been searching around and am still unsure as to which one (ipfw or ipf) is the better solution to implement on a firewall. I have used ipfw before and understand it (mostly). ipf was ported to FreeBSD recently and is it better than ipfw ? Which (based upon your experiences) is the better solution Thanks Vikash -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPATILBvA3JmlEONgEQJBMwCdH9owRMgY9HjevgOwwv2z1/eLsJoAoOUo NEqFnFE7i6ab813P0LMeGhBw =nCn2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 5:18: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from phear.darq.net (phear.darq.net [213.253.1.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 492F037B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9870 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2001 13:17:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:17:58 +0000 From: Ian Morrison To: Grzegorz Czaplinski Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet card. Message-ID: <20011128131757.A19940@phear.darq.net> References: <20011127235941.A3046@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011127235941.A3046@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl>; from gregory@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:59:41PM +0100 X-Url: http://www.darq.net/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:59:41PM +0100, Grzegorz Czaplinski wrote: > Cheers! > Does anyone know whether FreeBSD support an Intel Ethernet > Card Pro/100S desktop adapter with management support? I'm not sure about the crypto, but when I've used these they appear as normal fxp's. ian -- :: darq.net /#/ :: #amielite EFNet vs #the_ranch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 5:26:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C1D37B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11532; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:25:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128072545.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:25:45 -0600 To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Bob Hall" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <003b01c177d8$ec2e8ec0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20011127162010.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheesh, Ted... off the beam again. It's one of the biggest ISPs in the world very much alive.... and I don't have to justify anything. At 10:50 PM 11.27.2001 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of >>jacks@sage-american.com >>Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:20 PM >>To: Bob Hall; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >>Subject: Re: this spam >> >> >>Bob: Just because they are doing it doesn't justify it.... it's because >>their survival is on the edge that they are trying very hard to satisfy >>those customers who complain. I know at least one of the largest ISPs who >>will tell you that while they understand spam is undesirable, they "are >>still trying to figure out a method of dealing with it"... that was a long >>time ago and nothing yet. >> > >Probably AGIS. Hate to inform you but AGIS network went bankrupt and lost >millions of dollars doing it - because of spammers. If you don't believe me >then see http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2453257,00.html > >So, what's your next justification that spam should be ignored? > > >Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 5:33:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ls212.hinet.hr (ls212.hinet.hr [195.29.150.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B55437B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ls401.hinet.hr (ls401.hinet.hr [195.29.150.2]) by ls212.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASDXYC05021 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:34 +0100 Received: from aol.com (ad17-m226.net.hinet.hr [195.29.52.226]) by ls401.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASDXIi28230 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:18 +0100 Message-Id: <200111281333.fASDXIi28230@ls401.hinet.hr> From: "FAMY" <_ana.lojen@zg.hinet.hr> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: 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(smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA28E37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO mlevy) (12.27.148.78) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 14:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Bara Zani" To: Subject: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:06:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok , I am not starting a flame/holy war here !!! this is purely out of curiosity , so a reasonable answer is required please , if you feel this is bul... than I apologize and ask you to ignore . for the sake of others please respond to my email address and not the list and I will summarize . and now for the question : I use both Linux and freebsd as servers and am happy with it ( I'd take nix over m$ any day ) . I work for a primarily nt shop now and of course sometimes the nix vs. nt question arises . I figured that I'm all talk cause I use freebsd for servers but win2k as my desktop . so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client now here is where I need your help : I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts and pine to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the java plugin on mozilla can someone help with that ? as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? as for other stuff - image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx , avi ) also can I use star office with freebsd ? any other personal experience for using freebsd as a desktop and server are welcomed . please email me and not the list and I will summarize , thanks barazani _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:11:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from clientmail.realtime.co.uk (simian.realtime.co.uk [213.52.146.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D83E37B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pan.ehsrealtime.com ([213.52.146.196]) by clientmail.realtime.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1695R0-0000Z9-01; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:11:34 +0000 Received: from waynep by pan.ehsrealtime.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1695P9-000Ly2-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:09:39 +0000 From: Wayne Pascoe To: "Bara Zani" Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:09:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Message-ID: <86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> Lines: 62 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Bara Zani" writes: > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > now here is where I need your help : > I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... > as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts and pine > to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? Pine works fine for incoming attachments. Fetchmail basically fetches mail from a mail account (pop3, etc.) and delivers it to an MTA running locally on your machine. This MTA normally delivers to /var/mail/$local-part or /var/spool/mail/$local-part Pine, gnus, etc, fetch the mail from there. I've never had a problem with attachments. > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the java plugin on mozilla can > someone help with that ? Fraid I can't help here: ( > as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? > as for other stuff - image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx > , avi ) Um, for mp3's just build xmms from ports. For other things try xanim or xine, also from ports. You can also install the win32 codecs, but I've not got those working. > also can I use star office with freebsd ? Yep. /usr/ports/editors/staroffice52 > any other personal experience for using freebsd as a desktop and > server are welcomed . please email me and not the list and I will The biggest problem I have is sharing office documents. Good as staroffice is, on large documents it often breaks formatting. This is not such a problem when reading files that people have sent me, but when working on a document with other people, staroffice's output filters often wreak havoc with the document for everyone else :( The second biggest problem I have is web browsing. Be sure to install some decent truetype fonts for your browser. Even with that, a lot of sites don't work properly with various browsers on FreeBSD. Especially banking sites for some reason. I've been using FreeBSD exclusively as a desktop for about 8 months now. Before that I used Linux. While there are things I miss, there are more things I miss about FreeBSD when using a Windows box. The only move I can see myself making on the desktop front would be to Mac OS X.1 I post all replies to the list as well in case someone searching the archives find them useful. -- - Wayne Pascoe | If you hurt her, I'll hunt you down freebsd@molemanarmy.com | and kill you with a shovel... A vague http://www.molemanarmy.com | disclaimer is no-one's friend. | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:16:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [212.49.74.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3284037B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (FreeBSD)) id 1695Ug-0005q3-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:15:22 +0300 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:15:22 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: juha.o.ylitalo@nokia.com Subject: Re: ssh agent forwarding with FreeBSD and Linux... Message-ID: <20011128171522.E14252@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, juha.o.ylitalo@nokia.com References: <20011128143703.D1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128143703.D1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: "Pascal is Pascal is Pascal is dog meat." -- M. Devine and P. Larson, Computer Science 340 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: XFCE X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 5:12PM up 8:03, 2 users, load averages: 2.22, 1.85, 1.27 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Ylitalo Juha . O [20011128 15:36]: wrote: > I think I have found funny problem, but I don't know where I should > report about it or if someone would have solution for it. To summarize > it, ssh authentication agent forwarding doesnt seem to work in ssh > protocol 2 >=20 > To give you complete picture about situation, we probably should start > with more detailed information about environment. It consists one > RedHat Linux 7.1 (openssh 2.9p2) and FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE (openssh > 2.3.0). >=20 > In RH box, I've started my session with "exec ssh-agent > gnome-session", I've then added my sshv1 and sshv2 identities into > agent. >=20 > [jylitalo@jylitwork jylitalo]$ ssh-add -l 1024 > 84:c6:5d:ab:21:62:32:84:5d:cd:fd:f9:2b:f3:40:6f > jylitalo@jylitpc.ntc.nokia.com (RSA1) 1024 > 0d:38:19:99:b6:9a:8e:29:db:5c:5f:0e:df:a3:7c:94 dsa w/o comment (DSA) > [jylitalo@jylitwork jylitalo]$ >=20 > I have first identity in FreeBSD machines ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and > second one in authorized_keys2 file and I don't have any problems at > doing ssh commands from RH box to FreeBSD. >=20 > Things start going wrong, if I first open session with=20 > "ssh -A FreeBSD" and then try to give "ssh-add -l". > bash-2.05$ ssh-add -l > Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. > bash-2.05$=20 > Also I don't seem to have SSH_AUTH_SOCK defined in my environment. >=20 > Work-around to this situation is to use "ssh -1 -A FreeBSD" command > for that session, because then "ssh-add -l" will work correctly and I > have SSH_AUTH_SOCK is defined. If someone has found same situation and > found way to fix it (other than editing /etc/ssh/ssh_config in RH > box), I would love to hear about it. I have no problem at all ssh-ing from FreeBSD to Linux (Redhead 6.2): ns2 is FreeBSD and "3" (aka ns1) is Redhead Linux (3 is an alias to ssh -l = root -c blowfish ns1) wash@ns2 ('tty') ~/.ssh 35 -> 3 -v OpenSSH_2.9 FreeBSD localisations 20010713, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL = 0x0090601f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be truste= d. debug1: restore_uid debug1: ssh_connect: getuid 3497 geteuid 3497 anon 1 debug1: Connecting to ns1.wananchi.com [62.8.64.3] port 22. debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 3497/0 (e=3D3497) debug1: restore_uid debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 3497/0 (e=3D3497) debug1: restore_uid debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/wash/.ssh/identity type 0 debug1: identity file /home/wash/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/wash/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_2.5.1= p2 debug1: match: OpenSSH_2.5.1p2 pat ^OpenSSH_2\.5\.[012] debug1: Local version string SSH-1.5-OpenSSH_2.9 FreeBSD localisations 2001= 0713 debug1: Waiting for server public key. debug1: Received server public key (768 bits) and host key (1024 bits). debug1: Host 'ns1.wananchi.com' is known and matches the RSA1 host key. debug1: Found key in /home/wash/.ssh/known_hosts:6 debug1: Encryption type: blowfish debug1: Sent encrypted session key. debug1: Installing crc compensation attack detector. debug1: Received encrypted confirmation. debug1: Trying RSA authentication with key 'wash@ns2.wananchi.com' debug1: Received RSA challenge from server. debug1: Sending response to host key RSA challenge. debug1: Remote: RSA authentication accepted. debug1: RSA authentication accepted by server. debug1: Requesting pty. debug1: Requesting shell. debug1: Entering interactive session. Last login: Tue Nov 27 17:35:25 2001 from ns2.wananchi.com [root@ns1 /root]# -Wash S y s t e m s A d m i n. --=20 Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: 254 2 313985-9 Fax: 254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." =20 GSM: 254 72 743 223 GSM: 254 733 744 121 This sig is McQ! :-) ++ Overflow on /dev/null, please empty the bit bucket. --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BPF6n7LIsuxjem8RAk5iAJ45xjSnlw7DJwqC8iZIEBQPLDQSNgCgoTO2 hD3XRJKQ23DQARlmmmaPEJc= =xrH6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:17:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.euronet.nl (zaphod.euronet.nl [194.134.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1430837B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernst@localhost) by zaphod.euronet.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASEHF903979; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:17:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ernst) Message-Id: <200111281417.fASEHF903979@zaphod.euronet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan To: "Bara Zani" , Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:17:15 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> In-Reply-To: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey, If you use KDE 2 as your window manager, in combination with StarOffice 6 (from ports), and both Konqueror and Mozilla 0.9.6 as browsers, xmms to play MP3's, I'd say you have a fine desktop environment :-) I use this at the office myself. If you want a few screenshots lemme know B-)~ Konqueror does support Java applets, but Mozilla does not yet on FreeBSD. Keep up with the java@freebsd.org mailing list for the progress (if any). Ernst On Wednesday 28 November 2001 15:06, Bara Zani wrote: > Ok , I am not starting a flame/holy war here !!! > this is purely out of curiosity , so a reasonable answer is required please > , if you feel this is bul... than > I apologize and ask you to ignore . > for the sake of others please respond to my email address and not the list > and I will summarize . > and now for the question : > I use both Linux and freebsd as servers and am happy with it ( I'd take nix > over m$ any day ) . > I work for a primarily nt shop now and of course sometimes the nix vs. nt > question arises . > I figured that I'm all talk cause I use freebsd for servers but win2k as my > desktop . > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > now here is where I need your help : > I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... > as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts and pine > to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the java plugin on mozilla can > someone help with that ? > as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? > as for other stuff - image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx , avi ) > also can I use star office with freebsd ? > any other personal experience for using freebsd as a desktop and server are > welcomed . > please email me and not the list and I will summarize , > thanks > barazani > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Ernst de Haan EuroNet Internet B.V. "Come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" -- Jesus Christ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:32:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from berbee.com (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661D37B419; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Debug (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by berbee.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fASEWld01645; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:32:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200111281432.fASEWld01645@berbee.com> To: Ernst de Haan , "Bara Zani" , From: zietlow@berbee.com Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:32:47 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.22 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hey, > > If you use KDE 2 as your window manager, in combination with StarOffice 6 > (from ports), and both Konqueror and Mozilla 0.9.6 as browsers, xmms to play > MP3's, I'd say you have a fine desktop environment :-) I use this at the > office myself. If you want a few screenshots lemme know B-)~ > > Konqueror does support Java applets, but Mozilla does not yet on FreeBSD. > Keep up with the java@freebsd.org mailing list for the progress (if any). I use kde2 everyday on my laptop for work and it's GREAT I love it. The only thing I havn't gotten KDE to do that windows does is access my winmodem (and I'm working on that any suggesions would be helpful on sites for fbsd not linux) if you want to do it, basically it's in the ports. I love it for every day use and it if wasn't for gaming my windows box at the house would be FreeBSD as well. Go for it....and also best way to learn the OS is having to use it every day. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:47:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B7737B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASEjom01944; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:45:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <00d701c1781b$638e8820$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Bara Zani" , References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:45:51 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bara writes: > I figured that I'm all talk cause I use freebsd > for servers but win2k as my desktop . There is no reason for you to feel that way. UNIX is a server operating system; Windows 2K is a desktop operating system. You are simply using the appropriate OS for each purpose. If this makes you feel guilty, it may be that you have developed an emotional attachment to one or both of the two operating systems; on that path lies danger. > so I decided to install freebsd and use it > as my desktop client That was your first mistake. If Windows 2000 does what you require on the desktop, there is no reason to replace it with FreeBSD. If you feel "unfaithful" because you dare to use Windows on the desktop instead of using FreeBSD on every machine for every purpose, you are replacing reason with emotion, and as I've said, on that path lies danger. Of course, if these are your own systems, it doesn't matter ... but if you are managing systems for your employer or for others, installing one OS in preference to another just because you feel emotionally attached to it is a very bad decision. I'm sure there are probably lots of people out there trying to replace FreeBSD (or some other flavor of UNIX) with Windows 2000 as well, and for the same emotional or religious reasons. But Windows 2000 usually doesn't work quite as well as UNIX for pure, generalized server applications, just as UNIX doesn't work as well as Windows on the desktop. Understanding this reality is an important step towards the attainment of perpetual IT bliss. I use Windows NT as my desktop OS, and FreeBSD on my server. I see no reason to change this, as both operating systems are now doing what they do best. Even after using FreeBSD for only a few weeks, it is very clear to me that FreeBSD whips the pants off NT as a server (although that didn't really surprise me), and Windows whips the pants off FreeBSD on the desktop (no surprise there, either). And note that I run Windows NT, not Windows 2000; since NT has always done everything I require, I've never had any reason to "upgrade" to Windows 2000--and since I have no emotional attachment to any of these operating systems, upgrading just to remain faithful to a religion is not a problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:47:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D2D37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASElTm01958; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:47:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Wayne Pascoe" Cc: References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:47:30 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wayne writes: > I've been using FreeBSD exclusively as a desktop > for about 8 months now. Before that I used Linux. What motivated your switch from Linux to FreeBSD, and how would you compare the two? Do you also run a server? If so, which OS did you install for that? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:51:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278ED37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fASEnhc15490 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:49:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh12nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:51:46 +0200 Received: from jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com (hedhcp214114.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.214.114]) by esebh12nok.ntc.nokia.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.78) id XVVNYQRY; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:51:46 +0200 Received: (from jylitalo@localhost) by jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASEppZ03286; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:51:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:51:51 +0200 From: "Ylitalo Juha . O" To: ext Odhiambo Washington Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh agent forwarding with FreeBSD and Linux... Message-ID: <20011128165151.H1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com> References: <20011128171522.E14252@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128171522.E14252@ns2.wananchi.com>; from wash@wananchi.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:15:22PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:15:22PM +0200, ext Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I have no problem at all ssh-ing from FreeBSD to Linux (Redhead 6.2): > ns2 is FreeBSD and "3" (aka ns1) is Redhead Linux (3 is an alias to ssh -l root -c blowfish ns1) The actual problem wasn't in getting remote shell session. The problem was that I had asked ssh to allow authentication agent forwarding (that -A switch) to happen and if I did it with ssh protocol 2, ssh requested that in (if I give ssh -A -v), but FreeBSD machine didn't have SSH_SOCK_AUTH defined and for that reason ssh-add -l failed to list my two ssh identities. I need this functionality in my environment, so that users can start test scripts, which will do ssh connections from that FreeBSD to new machines. At the moment, I've instructed users to use "ssh -1 -A" to make such connection that authentication agent forwarding works correctly. -- Juha Ylitalo juha.o.ylitalo@nokia.com Heikki7/262 http://10.64.13.22/~jylitalo +358 40 562 6152 http://www.iki.fi/~jylitalo "Some tools are used, because its policy, others because they are good." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 6:59:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (host154.207-175-42.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B7D37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sup-manager@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) id fASEwbH21056; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:58:37 -0500 Received: from mail.redhat.com (mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id fASEwaq21044 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:58:36 -0500 Received: from ismtp2.entelchile.net (ismtp2.real1.mail.entelchile.net [164.77.181.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fASEwZw23163 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:58:35 -0500 Received: from horacio ([164.77.211.62]) by ismtp2.priv2.mail.entelchile.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with SMTP id <0GNI00EROMSSRL@ismtp2.priv2.mail.entelchile.net> for sup-manager@redhat.com; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:55:41 -0300 (CLST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:03:08 -0400 From: Horacio Sandoval Subject: no es riesgo de demanda? To: eburton@redhat.com Cc: Mandrake Team , webfeedback@turbolinux.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, sup-manager@redhat.com, www@netbsd.org, info@slackware.com, general@yellowdoglinux.com, info@conectiva.com.br, support@stampede.com, suse@suse.de, bstowell@caldera.com Message-id: <004c01c17826$2ccf5480$310c10ac@mop.cl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_EMU6z3pkqx6ChzN5iIvL+Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Reply-To: sup-manager-d@redhat.com Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ### Do Not Delete This!### # Original-To: horasa@entelchile.net # Sup-Manager-ID: ######################### This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_EMU6z3pkqx6ChzN5iIvL+Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Se=F1ores Microsoft Como desarrollador de software en plataforma Windows, en sus = distintas versiones y usuario aficionado de Linux e leido numerosos = articulos referentes a estas dos plataformas. Me he encontrado en la red = vuestro cuadro comparativo publicado en la direcci=F3n web = http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/ebusiness/contenido/2001/windows-linux.as= p y me pregunto, =BFtantas mentiras y comparaciones falsas no es un riesgo = de demanda?, no se que versiones de linux utilizaron para la muestra ni = la data de estas comparaciones, pero yo he echo pruebas con las = distribuciones recientes y casi todos los puntos malos dados a linux son = MENTIRAS. Lo mas grave de esta p=E1gina es la referencia que hacen a otras = empresas, ORACLE certifica su instalaci=F3n comercial sobre RED HAT, = SUSE y otras distribuciones hace ya tiempo y la consultora Gartner Group = en un art=EDculo publicado en internet descart=F3 definitivamente el IIS = sobre NT como plataforma segura y recomendada para sitios web. Esperando que reconsideren esta publicaci=F3n, sin otro particular, = se despide atentamente Horacio Sandoval Araya Ingeniero Ejec. 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       =20 Como desarrollador de software en plataforma Windows, en sus = distintas=20 versiones y usuario aficionado de Linux e leido numerosos articulos = referentes a=20 estas dos plataformas. Me he encontrado en la red vuestro cuadro=20 comparativo publicado en la direcci=F3n web http://www.microsoft.com/mexico/ebusiness/contenido/2001/windo= ws-linux.asp
y me pregunto, =BFtantas mentiras y = comparaciones=20 falsas no es un riesgo de demanda?, no se que versiones de linux = utilizaron para=20 la muestra ni la data de estas comparaciones, pero yo he echo pruebas = con las=20 distribuciones recientes y casi todos los puntos malos dados a linux son = MENTIRAS.
    Lo mas grave de esta = p=E1gina es=20 la referencia que hacen a otras empresas, ORACLE certifica su = instalaci=F3n=20 comercial sobre RED HAT, SUSE y otras distribuciones hace ya tiempo = y la=20 consultora Gartner Group en un = art=EDculo=20 publicado en internet descart=F3 definitivamente el IIS sobre NT como = plataforma=20 segura y recomendada para sitios web.
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e_mail:horasa@entelchile.net --Boundary_(ID_EMU6z3pkqx6ChzN5iIvL+Q)-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7: 3: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu [134.129.125.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDE137B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fASF32732511; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:03:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tinguely) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:03:02 -0600 (CST) From: mark tinguely Message-Id: <200111281503.fASF32732511@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mercadolee@hotmail.com Subject: Re: passwd In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > is there a way that a user could change their user-password without logging > into telnet ? like: thru a form on a webpage ? this has been discussed before. Others have written a CGI script that uses expect to give the appropriate responses to passwd(1). I took the sources to passwd(1) and added a CGI interface to do the same thing. consult the FreeBSD mail/newgroup archives for the thread. --mark tinguely. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7: 8:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from clientmail.realtime.co.uk (simian.realtime.co.uk [213.52.146.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0E237B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pan.ehsrealtime.com ([213.52.146.196]) by clientmail.realtime.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1696Jz-0000pQ-01; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:08:23 +0000 Received: from waynep by pan.ehsrealtime.com with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1696I9-000M19-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:06:29 +0000 From: Wayne Pascoe To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> <00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:06:27 +0000 In-Reply-To: <00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Anthony Atkielski" writes: > What motivated your switch from Linux to FreeBSD, and how would you > compare the two? I moved my desktop because I was moving the server farm. I moved the desktop to get familiar with the OS before we started server deploys. > Do you also run a server? If so, which OS did you install for that? I manage a farm of somewhere around 20 servers :) We used to use Linux for all of them but we moved to FreeBSD. There are quite a few reasons. Many of the cost savings, I detailed in my speech A Business Case for FreeBSD at BSDCon 2001. You can download the slides from http://www.molemanarmy.com/bsdcon/ Mainly it comes down to maturity. FreeBSD works for me in the production world. We had _A LOT_ of problems with Linux systems from 2.2.15 onwards due to broken VM subsystems. The 2.4 kernel had been very problematic for us due to things like software raid problems in 2.4.0. On the whole, Linux still strikes me as more of a hobbyist OS. Look at 2.2.14 for a fun time :) FreeBSD seems to be more aimed at 'Make it solid'. Oh, and just in case anyone thinks I'm biased, I attained my RHCE as an exam only candidate. So my first loyalty was to Linux. But I'm too lazy to work as hard as I needed to, to keep Linux behaving. FreeBSD has made my life a lot easier. -- - Wayne Pascoe | If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, freebsd@molemanarmy.com | riddle them with bullets. http://www.molemanarmy.com | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:10:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3416137B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASFAH190641; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:10:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:10:17 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Courtney Thomas Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt , Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Message-ID: <20011128091017.A89511@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <000101c17714$2abf0ea0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <3C03961A.2060109@flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C03961A.2060109@flash.net>; from ccthomas@flash.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:33:14AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've used Exabyte 8mm drives for years on FreeBSD (as well as some other OSes) and haven't had streaming problems with them so long as I make certain that they are either set to a large blocksize or better yet, to variable blocksize. If you have the drive set to a small fixed blocksize it won't stream (on input or output). You can check/set this with the mt command. For example with my drive I get: $ mt status Mode Density Blocksize bpi Compression Current: 0x27:Mammoth variable 77611 IDRC ---------available modes--------- 0: 0x27:Mammoth variable 77611 IDRC 1: 0x27:Mammoth variable 77611 IDRC 2: 0x27:Mammoth variable 77611 IDRC 3: 0x27:Mammoth variable 77611 IDRC --------------------------------- Current Driver State: at rest. --------------------------------- File Number: 44 Record Number: 0 Residual Count 0 with mt and as you can see the blocksize is variable. Also, I never bother with programs such as buffer or team as I find that dump does a good job of buffering its output for the tape drive. One further note: In my experience the newer Mammoth Exabyte drives (I haven't tried a Mammoth2 yet) are _much_ better than all of the other 8mm and 4mm drives that I have used. These have a higher capacity (a native capacity of 20GB for Mammoth and 60GB for Mammoth2), higher data rates (3MB/s for Mammoth and I believe about double that for Mammoth2), and, in my experience, have been significantly more reliable. Unlike the older Exabyte drives (which were modified Sony VCR transports as I understand it), these drives have no capstans or pinch rollers and move the tape faster and with less stress/wear. Bob On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 08:33:14AM -0500, Courtney Thomas wrote: > > Speaking of Exabyte drives, I [am trying to :-)]use the 8500 [no > compression] but.............. > can't get it to stream, after trying many permutations [and a couple of > days] of possible commands. > > I've also erased the [new] tape, cleaned the drive with an Exabyte > cleaning cartridge, changed the cable, etc. > > BTW, an Athlon 750mhz w/256MB ram, AHA1520 card. I realize this is a low > end card but it has worked in another machine OK. The drive is almost > unused since new and appears to work satisfactorily other than no streaming. > > I've read the dump, st, and buffer man pages and the st page in > particular documents the driver functionality in extremis [for only a > user :-)] nevertheless it is clear that there are many, many > potentially troublesome variables that it seems to me only a proficient > C programmer with lots of time and a real good working knowledge of > things SCSI could probe. > > The command I'm using is............... > dump 0ub 64 / | `buffer -s 16k > /dev/tape` > > Since you use a DAT at home and are familiar with [at least the Exabyte] > 8mm drives, hopefully you can point me to a resolution. > > Also, since this is a discontinued product, Exabyte is no help, now, > though they were vigorously supportive when I first got the drive. > > Hopefully, > > Courtney Thomas > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Bob Willcox Boucher's Observation: bob@vieo.com He who blows his own horn always plays the music Austin, TX several octaves higher than originally written. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:27:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtpg.casema.net (smtpg.casema.net [195.96.96.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B183537B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6101 invoked by uid 0); 28 Nov 2001 15:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scorn.diderius.nl) (212.64.78.102) by smtpg.casema.net with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 15:27:11 -0000 Received: from parallax.diderius.nl (parallax.diderius.nl [172.18.4.1]) by scorn.diderius.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fASFQ9N04850 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:26:09 +0100 Received: from 172.19.3.10 (silver.ftx.diderius.nl [172.19.3.10]) by parallax.diderius.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASFRAf00432 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:27:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from walter@binity.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:26:06 +0100 From: Walter Hop X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Educational X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1074327632.20011128162606@binity.com> To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Firewalling a CIFS fileserver from the evil world. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I've been trying to firewall some Samba fileservers off from a LAN while retaining (only) CIFS traffic. As I have found some old hardware that can function as a small time gateway, I'd like to put the fileservers on a separate Ethernet. .--------. | samba1 |-----. `--------' | .---[ windows workstation ] .--------. | .---------. +-- [ windows workstation ] | samba2 |--+---| gateway |---+- [ windows workstation ] `--------' `---------' +-- ..... | .------. | adsl |--/. `------' (The samba* and gateway are FreeBSD boxes) I would like the Samba fileservers to be only reachable via the CIFS protocol (they should be able to query other boxes too) and deny any other traffic, and I wonder what ipfw rules I could inject into the gateway so the samba servers have some sense of "physical" security. Is there anybody who has a ipfw-ruleset that allows (nothing but) CIFS traffic, or can point me in the direction of a good description of the CIFS protocol so I can make a better attempt? I guess it has been done before, but could not find anything useful on the web... Thanks in advance! w. -- Walter Hop Updated contact information: http://www.binity.com/~walter/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:32:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.1.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A4537B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.core.com (IDENT:2525@shell.voyager.net [169.207.1.89]) by out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fASFWpU92848; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:32:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dpoland@localhost) by shell.core.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/1.3) id fASFWk502498; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:32:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:32:46 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Bara Zani Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Message-ID: <20011128093245.A28505@polands.org> References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy>; from bara_zani@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:06:15AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:06:15AM -0500, Bara Zani wrote: > > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > I've been using FreeBSD for about a year in a Windows shop and you can co-exist. I use windowmaker. > I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... > as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts and pine > to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? > I use fetchmail to get email from my personal ISP and mutt to speak to our exchange server configured to do IMAP. Mutt (v 1.3.20i) works fine with IMAP. Mutt handles attachments and if you fill your .mailcap with useful entries, then you can view word docs, HTML formatted email, images, etc. > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the Java plugin on mozilla can > someone help with that ? > I too, am waiting for latest Mozilla to handle Java applets. Until that time, I keep an old copy of Netscape 4.76 installed. > as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? > as for other stuff - > I'm a console guy that uses a GUI so I can have many rxvt terms going at once. Anyway, I use mpg123 for mp3. Many of your X mp3 players are simply front ends to mpg123. > image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx , avi ) > xv is a good viewer, use gimp for editing. I use linux RealPlayer 8 for streaming audio/video > also can I use star office with freebsd ? > Can't help with this but I'm *really* looking forward to openoffice. Other tips: Mounting MS filesystems: Install the smbfs-1.4.1 port. If you need files that are being held hostage on an MS file systems you'll need an SMB client. Note, needs kernel config and re-build. I've heard you can do the same thing with some samba client utility but never tried. Printing: I'm not a printing guru so I installed the apsfilter-6.1.1 port. All our network printers speak lpr and have IP addresses so printing (black and white) works. I don't know how to print to MS shared printers. I recommend Ted's book to cover that. Document sharing: Anytime someone sends me a proprietary MS document (.doc, .xls for the most part) I tell them I don't have MS Office and could they please send it as a text file. This works with most people. If I have to run MS Office, I have VNC server running on an old MS box and VNC client running on FreeBSD. I take over the MS box and do my stuff and get out. I own vmware 2 but have not had success getting the guest OS networking to work (because of my own inability, not vmware/FreeBSD). Programming in Visual Basic: See above paragraph on vmware. Now I dual boot to Win2k. Corporate address books and shared exchange folders: Haven't solved this but we run Outlook Web on our exchange/IIS box so I can view these with web browser (needs java). Group calendar: see above (clunky, but it works) Other thoughts: we're a very email/web-centric company so I simply need an OS that can do these things. The single biggest irritation is dealing with MS Office files. If your company revolves around it's MS Office documents, your challenges will be much greater. HTH, -- Regards, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:40: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from strange.eng.utoledo.edu (strange.eng.utoledo.edu [131.183.18.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD68937B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jdai@localhost) by strange.eng.utoledo.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/1.1) with ESMTP id KAA19577 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:39:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: jianyi dai X-Sender: jdai@strange.eng.utoledo.edu To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: D-Link card Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. But how about DFE-530TX+ ? Jerry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:44:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E0537B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02547; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:44:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128094417.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:44:17 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Bara Zani" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? In-Reply-To: <00d701c1781b$638e8820$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not that my stamp of approval matters, but that is a VERY opened-minded and logical way of stating it. As a Windoze user since 1988, I truly love the superior power of the Unix server. However, I also still dual boot several machines with Win98 and Win2K because they still do their job... I wouldn't use Win98 at all if it weren't for the older hardware it still supports and Win2K doesn't. There is still one Win2K server in the bunch. When the hardware wears out and upgraded, I will never load the Win98 again as it is incredibly unstable crashing/locking constantly with very few apps running. Win2K is very stable, but not nearly as stable as FreeBSD.... but, Win2K can really run the desktop well all the many heavy apps that this publishing business needs. All of the hype for linux had some associates swearing that it was the way to go even before trying it... that's what hype can do. I see absolutely no reason to use Linux, but that may change later when it can run the destop better than Windoze. Yes, indeed an open mind is essential to maximize the use of the wonderful tools available to us in the most productive manner. We are lucky to have a choice! At 03:45 PM 11.28.2001 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: >Bara writes: > >> I figured that I'm all talk cause I use freebsd >> for servers but win2k as my desktop . > >There is no reason for you to feel that way. UNIX is a server operating system; >Windows 2K is a desktop operating system. You are simply using the appropriate >OS for each purpose. If this makes you feel guilty, it may be that you have >developed an emotional attachment to one or both of the two operating systems; >on that path lies danger. > >> so I decided to install freebsd and use it >> as my desktop client > >That was your first mistake. If Windows 2000 does what you require on the >desktop, there is no reason to replace it with FreeBSD. If you feel >"unfaithful" because you dare to use Windows on the desktop instead of using >FreeBSD on every machine for every purpose, you are replacing reason with >emotion, and as I've said, on that path lies danger. Of course, if these are >your own systems, it doesn't matter ... but if you are managing systems for your >employer or for others, installing one OS in preference to another just because >you feel emotionally attached to it is a very bad decision. > >I'm sure there are probably lots of people out there trying to replace FreeBSD >(or some other flavor of UNIX) with Windows 2000 as well, and for the same >emotional or religious reasons. But Windows 2000 usually doesn't work quite as >well as UNIX for pure, generalized server applications, just as UNIX doesn't >work as well as Windows on the desktop. Understanding this reality is an >important step towards the attainment of perpetual IT bliss. > >I use Windows NT as my desktop OS, and FreeBSD on my server. I see no reason to >change this, as both operating systems are now doing what they do best. Even >after using FreeBSD for only a few weeks, it is very clear to me that FreeBSD >whips the pants off NT as a server (although that didn't really surprise me), >and Windows whips the pants off FreeBSD on the desktop (no surprise there, >either). And note that I run Windows NT, not Windows 2000; since NT has always >done everything I require, I've never had any reason to "upgrade" to Windows >2000--and since I have no emotional attachment to any of these operating >systems, upgrading just to remain faithful to a religion is not a problem. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:54:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (pilot16.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D4B37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from msu.edu (zilch.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.15]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fASFsas36670; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:54:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C04C283.3D602F1@msu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:54:59 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister Reply-To: jerrymc@msu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jerrymc@msu.edu Subject: Question about Kernel Config Controller and MFS_ROOT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I am in the process of updating our servers from F3.2 to F4.4 and notice that in the kernel config files there used to be controller ..... keywords and now there seem to be none - not even in LINT. Have these all been replaced by just the device .... keyword? It sort of looks like that, but I haven't found anywhere that it explicitely says so. Also, I notice that 'options MFS' is still in LINT but there is no 'options MFS_ROOT', though there remains 'options FFS_ROOT' and others. I think that we still need to be able to use MFS as root during our system config and install. Has it been subsumed into something else, or is it just missing? Thanks for any help, ////jerry Jerry McAllister jerrymc@msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:57: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0363937B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASFuZ126278; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111281556.fASFuZ126278@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: leblanc@keyslapper.org Subject: avoiding the rodent [was: The Stupid Virus going arround. ] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:24:12 EST." <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:56:35 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Louis lamented, >Here here! I can't use anything else without noticing my blood >pressure go up. If I have to touch that d@#&! mouse more than 5 times >a day, I get bothered. And I spend a LOT of time on the computer. I hear you there. I'm an admitted keystroke whore, which is one of the reasons I usse LyX rather than LaTeX. One of my surprises in life is the joy of the stupid red pointer on ThinkPads. It took some getting use to, but it means my hands don't leave the keyboard. My thumb can reach all three buttons, while my fingers remain on the keys. Supposedly we're finally ordering my workstation next week (and this week, and the week before, and . . .), and I'm definitely getting a buckiling spring keyboard. Even though I'm going for an optical 3 button mouse, I'm leaning towards an extra pointer in the keyboard . . . . hawk -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 7:57:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C02537B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from YidukKwon@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.5f.1e78827f (4185) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: YidukKwon@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.1e78827f.2936636e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:57:34 EST Subject: Dear FreeBSD volunteers: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just bought a FreeBSD 4.2 release and tried to install it without success. My problem is that the CD ROM won't boot on my Panasonic SCSI CD ROM. My CD ROM is connected to ADAPTEC 2940U/2940UW SCSI card. I had no problems with any other CD ROM booting from this CD ROM drive including LINUX and other bootable CD ROMs. I tried to modify any setting in the system BIOS and SCSI BIOS but no use. Is it the FreeBSD CD ROM itself or my computer/CD ROM drive that prevents booting? I have read pages and pages of installation guide and manual and thought I had a good understanding on the installation issues. I would really appreciate your help on this. Sincerely, Yiduk Kwon One frustrated would-be user To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8: 2: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1431537B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05099; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:01:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:01:38 -0600 To: jianyi dai , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: D-Link card In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: > >In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. >But how about DFE-530TX+ ? > >Jerry > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8: 2:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bdg.centrin.net.id (ppp48-bdg1.indosat.net.id [202.155.2.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D792437B439 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by bdg.centrin.net.id (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 77DA8296; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:10:24 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:10:24 +0700 From: budsz To: Scott Robbins Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: margermaster Message-ID: <20011128231024.A2417@bdg.centrin.net.id> Reply-To: budsz References: <20011127175410.A6182@bdg.centrin.net.id> <00b801c1774c$20e5b770$4b08a8c0@starlowin2k1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00b801c1774c$20e5b770$4b08a8c0@starlowin2k1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Fingerprint: A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304 X-Pub-keys: http://bdg.centrin.net.id/~budsan02/pubkey.txt X-Verify: MD5 (pubkey.txt) = 999274d3ae770caf0d77ce5796ed201e X-Uptime: 11:18PM up 6:55, 6 users, load averages: 0.53, 0.70, 0.73 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Organization: Kumprang X-Provide: Warnet & Game Network X-Address: Melong No 29 Bandung 40261 West Java Indonesia Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 09:02:19AM -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: >Hi-- >Weirdness in our sendmail set-up keeps me from sending to list from work, >but I see no one else answered your question >Firstly it's mergemaster, not margemaster--if you misread it somewhere, that >will definitely make it harder to find. :) (Believe me that >happens--however, I'm assuming you just mistyped. >You can, after doing your build world and install world, just, from /usr/src >(at least that's where I am when I do it, don't know if that's necessary) >type >mergemaster Sorry :-) yes i was maybe mistype, last time my friend told to me, he was fail with command mergemaster so he lost his files, base of that i try ask to milis :-), BTW after I use mergemaster, I can't change permission or owner file (chmod & chown) in spool file postfix (/var/spool/postfix) so postfix can't running normally. but after I read manual mergemaster, I found for pwd_mkdb command to update password database, I try it: #pwd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd ow..I no sure it's true?, but now my FreeBSD box running normally again :-). TIA >And the program will start--at times, it'll start showing you a file on the >screen--just hit the space bar to keep it moving--then, you'll get a thing >do this that or leave it alone with the default being leave it alone. I >just choose the defaults. >As I'm very new at this, I don't know that much about ~what~ I'm doing, but >that works. :) I've also left it out at times without that much trouble. >HTH a little >Scott Yes just now i try mergemaster with option -v and -i. OK thanks scott, sorry my english very bad :-) TIA -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8: 6: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7F837B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05618; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:05:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128100538.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:05:38 -0600 To: YidukKwon@aol.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: Dear FreeBSD volunteers: In-Reply-To: <5f.1e78827f.2936636e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try the CD on another computer's CD drive.... At 10:57 AM 11.28.2001 EST, YidukKwon@aol.com wrote: >I just bought a FreeBSD 4.2 release and tried to install it without success. >My problem is that the CD ROM won't boot on my Panasonic SCSI CD ROM. My CD >ROM is connected to ADAPTEC 2940U/2940UW SCSI card. I had no problems with >any other CD ROM booting from this CD ROM drive including LINUX and other >bootable CD ROMs. I tried to modify any setting in the system BIOS and SCSI >BIOS but no use. Is it the FreeBSD CD ROM itself or my computer/CD ROM drive >that prevents booting? I have read pages and pages of installation guide and >manual and thought I had a good understanding on the installation issues. > >I would really appreciate your help on this. > >Sincerely, > >Yiduk Kwon >One frustrated would-be user > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8: 7:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bdg.centrin.net.id (ppp48-bdg1.indosat.net.id [202.155.2.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7164F37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by bdg.centrin.net.id (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A6F23296; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:15:15 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:15:15 +0700 From: budsz To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: OpenSSH-3.0.1 Message-ID: <20011128231515.B2417@bdg.centrin.net.id> Reply-To: budsz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Fingerprint: A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304 X-Pub-keys: http://bdg.centrin.net.id/~budsan02/pubkey.txt X-Verify: MD5 (pubkey.txt) = 999274d3ae770caf0d77ce5796ed201e X-Uptime: 11:03PM up 7:42, 7 users, load averages: 0.61, 0.63, 0.63 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Organization: Kumprang X-Provide: Warnet & Game Network X-Address: Melong No 29 Bandung 40261 West Java Indonesia Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, How to create manualy /usr/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key and /etc/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub, accidently I was remove those files. TIA -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8: 9:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.100.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FA437B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASG9BY32865 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:09:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200111281609.fASG9BY32865@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: idletime is being idle. Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:09:11 -0600 From: "Martin G. McCormick" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just setup a new class called automation and one of the reasons for doing so was to catch the occasional malfunctioning expect script and kill its processes if it didn't happen to end properly. I put the following lines in the login.conf file in the section for the automation class: :idletime=45s:\ If I log in to the account which is in that class, I don't get dumped after 45 seconds. I don't seem to time out at all, as if the idletime directive wasn't there. I _DID_ remember to cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf and I put the account in question in the automation class. The entire definition of automation as it exists in login.conf follows. automation:\ :passwd_format=md5:\ :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\ :welcome=/etc/motd:\ :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES:\ :path=/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin ~/bin:\ :nologin=/var/run/nologin:\ :cputime=unlimited:\ :datasize=unlimited:\ :stacksize=unlimited:\ :memorylocked=unlimited:\ :memoryuse=unlimited:\ :filesize=unlimited:\ :coredumpsize=unlimited:\ :openfiles=unlimited:\ :maxproc=unlimited:\ :sbsize=unlimited:\ :priority=0:\ :idletime=45s:\ # :ignoretime@:\ :umask=022: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:12:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCDD37B439 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASGBY126404; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111281611.fASGBY126404@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Sean LeBlanc Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:10:22 MST." <20011127161022.A2124@hostwiththemost> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:11:34 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Supplied > Couldn't agree more with this. I really dislike reading top posters' stuff. > It's too distracting, esp. when others in the thread followed more > traditional email/Usenet protocol, and not MS Outlook's. It's also easier to > make out the attribs. But this is, of course, a holy war - I've seen many > diatribes going back and forth about this on a linux newsgroup just > recently...it may *still* be going on, for all I know. :) "Holy War" only in the same context that the "debate" about when the 21st century starts was a holy war. In each case, there is a correct answer. In this one, the correct format was well exstablished before most of the top-posters were even born. It's nothing more than a case of charging into an existing culture and ignoring the social norms--and then insisting that the ignorance is correct. Top posting is wrong. It's ignorant. It's really that simple. hawk > -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:16: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gw.smarts-gsm.ru (gw.smarts-gsm.ru [194.190.8.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001B237B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vss@localhost) by gw.smarts-gsm.ru (8.11.3/8.11.0-vlm) id fASGFcu87816 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.AVP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:15:38 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: ns.smarts-gsm.ru: vss set sender to vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru using -f Received: (from vss@localhost) by gw.smarts-gsm.ru (8.11.3/8.11.0-vlm) id fASGFc087808 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:15:38 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vss@gw.smarts-gsm.ru) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:15:38 +0300 From: Vlad Skvortsov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: route add -interface Message-ID: <20011128191538.O11977@smarts-gsm.ru> References: <20011128143913.M11977@smarts-gsm.ru> <20011128140919.A42977@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128140919.A42977@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: [Please CC: any answers back to me, I'm not on the list !] > > Internal router Peer > > =============================== =========== > > ----> | 192.168.1.2 | | 192.168.2.1 | -- sbni -> | 2.3.4.1 | > > =============================== =========== > > > > ISP forwards a block of addresses, say, 2.3.4.0/30 to 1.2.3.5. Cisco > > router forwards them to some internal servers. My task is to forward one > > address, 2.3.4.1, to peer. > > The problem is that I cannot setup internal router to properly > > forward this address to peer. Peer cannot set 192.168.2.x address on his end > > of sbni interface (windows there ...). So I configure my end this way: > > > > # ifconfig sbni1 192.168.2.1 netmask 0xffffffff > > # route add 2.3.4.1 -interface sbni1 > > > > Pinging 2.3.4.1 fails with redirect FROM MY END 192.168.2.1 > > (redirected to 2.3.4.1). When I start exploring the situation, it reveals > > that ARP table contains record with MY MAC address and IP of PEER. When I > > see netstat -nr output I discover that there is an entry containing PEER's > > ip address and MY ip address (though with proper interface specified). > > > > Is this a bug in sbni driver or is this a misbehaviour of freebsd > > route add command ? I run FreeBSD 4.2. > > > So, your purpose is to resolve the 2.3.4.1 address through the ARP on > the sbni1 attached ethernet-type network, right? You can do this in > two ways. > > 1. The standard way. > Configure your sbni1 interface with netmask other than 255.255.255.255 > and give the peer an address in the 192.168.2 network, say 192.168.2.2. > Then, the following command will DTRT: > route add -host 2.3.4.1 192.168.2.2 This can't be accomplished due to peer's configuration. There is windows router there and in order to NAT their network they have to set real ip (2.3.4.1) on sbni interface. Having eliminated this fact would greatly simplify the situation. > 2. A magnician's way. > Bring your sbni1 interface up, without even configuring any IP address > on it! Then the following command should DTRT: > route add -net 2.3.4.1/32 -iface sbni1 -cloning > This tells your kernel that it should resolve 2.3.4.1/32 addresses > through the ARP on the sbni1 attached network. I MUST have some ARP-resolvable address on my end to allow windows to route packets to my ip rather than through the interface. -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@smarts-gsm.ru, vss@high.net.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:30:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nbrewer.com (sparge.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFF637B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC8F84B719C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:30:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:30:31 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Doug Poland Cc: Bara Zani , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Message-ID: <20011128103029.A2541@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Doug Poland , Bara Zani , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <20011128093245.A28505@polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128093245.A28505@polands.org>; from doug@polands.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:32:46AM -0600 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Poland (doug@polands.org) wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:06:15AM -0500, Bara Zani wrote: > > > > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > > > I've been using FreeBSD for about a year in a Windows shop and you can > co-exist. I use windowmaker. Kudos on your decision. I install a different window manager on each desktop to heighten the emotional experience of running FreeBSD. > > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the Java plugin on mozilla can > > someone help with that ? > > > I too, am waiting for latest Mozilla to handle Java applets. Until > that time, I keep an old copy of Netscape 4.76 installed. If Java, Flash, inline RealAudio, etc. are really important to you, you can always install the Linux Mozilla. The only requirement is installing a linux-gtk, and there's even a port for that. Although the FreeBSD Java team is working on a native Java plug-in, it is likely that FreeBSD will always lack Flash and other proprietary plug-ins. This is probably emotional of me, but I prefer to run a native Mozilla. It's so incredibly rare that I find a page that is absolutely usless without Flash or Java that you can't use it. Plus, it's interesting and sometimes valuable to view the web with non-proprietary goggles on. > > image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx , avi ) > > > xv is a good viewer, use gimp for editing. I use linux RealPlayer 8 > for streaming audio/video mplayer is getting a great repuatation as an mpg/divx/avi player. > Printing: I'm not a printing guru so I installed the apsfilter-6.1.1 > port. All our network printers speak lpr and have IP addresses so > printing (black and white) works. I don't know how to print to MS > shared printers. I recommend Ted's book to cover that. You can install the Unix Line Printing Daemon on the NT Server and it will 'speak lpr'. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:32:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6D37B41B; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23112; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:31:49 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fASGXN429291; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:33:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:33:23 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/01 02:28 AM, Christopher Farley sat at the `puter and typed: > Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: >=20 > > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config.=20 >=20 > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the= =20 > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? >=20 > I see an astonishing number of email messages like this, and I've never= =20 > really spent the time to figure out whether it was mutt, vim, postfix, > or procmail doing this.=20 >=20 > From from from >=20 > ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets > sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. Only in the response. '>' is a standard quote lead. I notice you're using Mutt 1.2.5 (You might want to upgrade to the latest mutt-devel). When your message comes back to you in the list, it should not be indented, but notice my reply does indent your text. Read the Mutt docs for the following directives: set attribution=3D"On %d, %n sat at the \`puter and typed:" set indent_string=3D"> " # how to quote replied text This is how I have these directives in my muttrc. It is possible to change the indent string, but in general it just makes things more difficult for others to read and decipher. For instance, some people like to use the '|' char, but if they reply to a message in which a regexp uses that character at a line wrap, it hoses the context. You can set your attribution however you want, and the docs describe a pretty good set of metachars that can be used to duplicate anything from the date to the subject of the message being replied to (IIRC). HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC critic, n.: A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BRHSeAPWYrNkRWIRAgjCAJ4kHhArRdZKOSo5xFD5ZET3r1yMvQCfcG3D E4UrV0YND8V2ZbGM14ljALw= =tUQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:32:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net [209.58.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6D37B41B; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from leblanc.mirrorimage.net (leblanc.mirrorimage.net [209.192.210.146]) by mail-relay1.mirrorimage.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23112; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:31:49 -0500 Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by leblanc.mirrorimage.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fASGXN429291; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:33:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from leblanc) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:33:23 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 4EA2 24FF 41B0 0258 9A54 9309 7803 D662 B364 4562 X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/28/01 02:28 AM, Christopher Farley sat at the `puter and typed: > Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: >=20 > > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config.=20 >=20 > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the= =20 > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? >=20 > I see an astonishing number of email messages like this, and I've never= =20 > really spent the time to figure out whether it was mutt, vim, postfix, > or procmail doing this.=20 >=20 > From from from >=20 > ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets > sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. Only in the response. '>' is a standard quote lead. I notice you're using Mutt 1.2.5 (You might want to upgrade to the latest mutt-devel). When your message comes back to you in the list, it should not be indented, but notice my reply does indent your text. Read the Mutt docs for the following directives: set attribution=3D"On %d, %n sat at the \`puter and typed:" set indent_string=3D"> " # how to quote replied text This is how I have these directives in my muttrc. It is possible to change the indent string, but in general it just makes things more difficult for others to read and decipher. For instance, some people like to use the '|' char, but if they reply to a message in which a regexp uses that character at a line wrap, it hoses the context. You can set your attribution however you want, and the docs describe a pretty good set of metachars that can be used to duplicate anything from the date to the subject of the message being replied to (IIRC). HTH Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC critic, n.: A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BRHSeAPWYrNkRWIRAgjCAJ4kHhArRdZKOSo5xFD5ZET3r1yMvQCfcG3D E4UrV0YND8V2ZbGM14ljALw= =tUQ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:33:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135E137B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-141.wobline.de [212.68.69.149]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id fASGX9n09718; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:33:09 +0100 Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASGYTt62437; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:34:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: from jodie.ncptiddische.net (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by jodie.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASGXDH04069; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:33:13 +0100 (CET) From: Nils Holland To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: jianyi dai , Subject: RE: D-Link card In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Message-ID: <20011128173116.G4067-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't currently own either of these cards, but from what I know, the DFE530TX needs the vr driver, while the DFE530TX+ needs the rl driver. This is something you should keep in your head when buying one of these cards - they definately won't work if you use just the wrong of the two drivers with the wrong card ;-) Greetings Nils On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... > > At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: > > > >In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. > >But how about DFE-530TX+ ? Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:34: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F043537B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASGXim02413; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:33:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000401c1782a$730a29d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Wayne Pascoe" Cc: References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy><86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com><00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:33:44 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Your overall impressions of FreeBSD vs. Linux match mine, even though I have not bothered with Linux. Linux has been the target of enormous marketing and media hype, but even a casual glance at the OS from a technical standpoint makes one wonder why anyone would choose it over the other free versions of UNIX that are available. The hype is the one and only reason for the success of the OS, IMO, and I wonder whether it will survive over the long term. > I manage a farm of somewhere around 20 servers :) > We used to use Linux for all of them but we moved > to FreeBSD. And what was the reason for the original choice of Linux? > Many of the cost savings, I detailed in my speech > A Business Case for FreeBSD at BSDCon 2001. You > can download the slides from http://www.molemanarmy.com/bsdcon/ Unfortunately, it does not seem to be in a format that I can open. PDF would be nice. > Mainly it comes down to maturity. FreeBSD works > for me in the production world. We had _A LOT_ of > problems with Linux systems from 2.2.15 onwards > due to broken VM subsystems. The 2.4 kernel had > been very problematic for us due to things like > software raid problems in 2.4.0. This confirms my own intuition with respect to Linux. > On the whole, Linux still strikes me as more of > a hobbyist OS. That has been exactly my impression since the beginning. It's ideal for people who like to tinker with the OS without ever doing any productive work, and certainly without ever having a need for high-uptime production use. It also appeals to people who had never heard the word "UNIX" prior to encountering some of the hype around Linux. Since I don't like to tinker with an OS (particularly just to get it to work), and since I knew what UNIX was several decades ago, Linux seems to me like a useless toy that appeals to the clueless. > FreeBSD seems to be more aimed at 'Make it solid'. I agree. My production Web site has been running on FreeBSD for several years with no problems. When I decided to set up my own UNIX server at home, FreeBSD seemed like a logical choice, because (1) it was clearly aimed at serious production users, not hobbyists or tinkerers or newbies; and (2) it provides essentially a complete UNIX operating system except for the name (which is trademarked); and (3) it was free (or almost free--I paid about $20 for a boxed set of CDs), which is a refreshing change from proprietary software. Having the source readily available is nice, too--when you run critical systems with proprietary operating systems, you are at the mercy of the vendor, particularly if he wants to force you to "upgrade" (i.e., spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to achieve less than parity with the system you already have). > Oh, and just in case anyone thinks I'm biased, > I attained my RHCE as an exam only candidate. Certifications are just a gravy train for vendors, IMO and IMX. It seems particularly odd to award certifications on an operating system that doesn't seem to be stable for more than a few days at a time. > But I'm too lazy to work as hard as I needed to, > to keep Linux behaving. It's not laziness to be unwilling to compensate for the defects in a software product. If Linux can't behave right out of the box, use a different OS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:45:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from alix.lpt.ens.fr (alix.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD72637B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1883 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Nov 2001 16:45:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:45:07 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: dochawk@psu.edu Cc: seanleblanc@home.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011128174506.A1858@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111281611.fASGBY126404@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dochawk@psu.edu wrote: > "Holy War" only in the same context that the "debate" about when the > 21st century starts was a holy war. In each case, there is a correct > answer. In this one, the correct format was well exstablished before > most of the top-posters were even born. It's nothing more than a case > of charging into an existing culture and ignoring the social norms--and > then insisting that the ignorance is correct. > > Top posting is wrong. It's ignorant. It's really that simple. Yes, it's wrong. It's ignorant. It's socially inept. Maybe somebody should tell Jordan Hubbard (to name only the most prominent name in FreeBSD). http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=514819+517106+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-hackers/20010923.freebsd-hackers http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=652656+654499+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-hackers/20010826.freebsd-hackers (those were just two recent examples, from a quick search) Now, the right answer: use your judgement (as always). If you're replying to specific points, don't top-post. If you're making a broader reply and there's no reason to make the reader wade through previous writing first, then by all means top-post. Why not? - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:50:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C1437B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASGmmm02462; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:48:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000b01c1782c$8e180ec0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Bara Zani" , , References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <3.0.5.32.20011128094417.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:48:48 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jack writes: > Not that my stamp of approval matters, but that > is a VERY opened-minded and logical way of stating > it. Thanks. > When the hardware wears out and upgraded, I will > never load the Win98 again as it is incredibly > unstable crashing/locking constantly with very > few apps running. Win2K is very stable ... It's important to understand that Windows 98 and its toy brethren have _nothing_ in common with Windows NT/2K and its ilk except the name and the GUI. Under the hood, these operating systems are dramatically different--as different as Windows and the Mac. The Windows 98 tribe is junk, essentially; fine for occasional and non-critical home use, but not stable or solid enough (IMO) for business and critical use. Windows NT/2K, in contrast, is a heavy-duty OS that can take a beating and run under heavy loads on lots of hardware and still work. It's unfortunate that Microsoft has developed these two different operating systems and marketed them in ways that obfuscate the dramatic differences between them in system architecture. > ... but not nearly as stable as FreeBSD... FreeBSD is UNIX, a multiuser, timesharing operating system that was mature and stable before most Windows users were born. Any operating system that has been around that long tends to be very stable indeed. Additionally, UNIX was developed in the days when buying ever-increasing amounts of hardware to compensate for really bad software was simply not economically feasible or even technically possible, not even for the most fortunate users--so UNIX is a system that runs lean and mean, even today. > ... but, Win2K can really run the desktop well > all the many heavy apps that this publishing > business needs. I've run NT since it first came out, and I've never looked back. It is interesting to note that NT is more stable than 9x, and it also happens to look a lot more like UNIX. This is not a coincidence; it's a consequence of the fact that certain system architectures are more stable than others, and NT and UNIX follow the best OS design practices much more closely than Windows 9x and its predecessors, which were essentially thrown together out of spit and baling wire. I've seen the code for NT and 9x, and just looking at it you can tell that two different categories of engineers wrote it. The 9x code is written by high-school students, it seems; the NT code is written by people who have clearly been bitten by bad coding practices in the past. UNIX, of course, resembles this latter model, since it has been around for so long. > I see absolutely no reason to use Linux, but that > may change later when it can run the destop > better than Windoze. That isn't going to happen. Linux is a flavor of UNIX, and the architecture of UNIX is incompatible with heavy desktop use, just as the bloated GUI of Windows is incompatible with high-performance use as a server. Short of completely rewriting Linux so that it no longer looks like UNIX, this isn't going to change. I have similar reservations about the Mac OS X, although I suspect that it has already been very heavily rewritten to get around this problem, and it will be ever more extensively rewritten in the future. There's no getting around it: You cannot be everything to everyone, and a good server is inevitably a poor desktop, and vice versa. People who fall in love with one OS and then try to make it do everything are hilariously entertaining, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:55:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from Thanatos.Shenton.Org (a3.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FCE737B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22497 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2001 16:55:12 -0000 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tool to build Solaris "packages" on FreeBSD? From: Chris Shenton Date: 28 Nov 2001 11:55:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20011121201335.GA3178@rhadamanth> Message-ID: <87667ultsf.fsf_-_@thanatos.shenton.org> Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We've got SW we're building on FreeBSD but want to also install on some Solaris boxes. In a past life, we wrote on Solaris and used their package facilities to create and install SW. What I'd like is a way to bundle the SW from a FreeBSD box into a Solaris-format package, so I can ssh it to the Solaris box and install there with its native package system. Any thought? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:55:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk [195.147.246.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7037B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from adamantite.global.net.uk ([194.126.80.200] helo=globalnet.co.uk) by sand3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1697zm-00039C-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3C05179C.97A65420@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:58:04 +0000 From: John Ekins Reply-To: jre@globalnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy><86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com><00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> <000401c1782a$730a29d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Your overall impressions of FreeBSD vs. Linux match mine, even though I have not > bothered with Linux. So your opinion, technical or otherwise on comparisons between FreeBSD and Linux is not worth anything. > Linux has been the target of enormous marketing and media > hype, Yes it has. > but even a casual glance at the OS from a technical standpoint Happily I don't tend to make decisions based on casual glances. > makes one > wonder why anyone would choose it over the other free versions of UNIX that are > available. > The hype is the one and only reason for the success of the OS, IMO, > and I wonder whether it will survive over the long term. We've been using it here for several years, well before it was being hyped. > > Mainly it comes down to maturity. FreeBSD works > > for me in the production world. We had _A LOT_ of > > problems with Linux systems from 2.2.15 onwards > > due to broken VM subsystems. The 2.4 kernel had > > been very problematic for us due to things like > > software raid problems in 2.4.0. This suggests sticking to reliable versions unless you need to upgrade, and if you do to test thoroughly. > This confirms my own intuition with respect to Linux. Intuition counts for nothing. > That has been exactly my impression since the beginning. Yes, lots more impression but no experience. > It's ideal for people > who like to tinker with the OS without ever doing any productive work, Hmm, we have nearly two hundred Linux machines in service. We're a commercial company so I guess they're not toy boxes. > and > certainly without ever having a need for high-uptime production use. Some of our uptimes have wrapped past 497 days... > It also > appeals to people who had never heard the word "UNIX" prior to encountering some > of the hype around Linux. Well it's a good introduction to "Unix" in general if you can't get a real "Unix". > Since I don't like to tinker with an OS (particularly just to get it to work), > and since I knew what UNIX was several decades ago, Linux seems to me like a > useless toy that appeals to the clueless. More of the words "seems"... Why don't you go and get some experience? > > Oh, and just in case anyone thinks I'm biased, > > I attained my RHCE as an exam only candidate. > > Certifications are just a gravy train for vendors, IMO and IMX. It seems > particularly odd to award certifications on an operating system that doesn't > seem to be stable for more than a few days at a time. You have no experience of this, Anthony, as you keep telling us... It just "seems" like that to you. Cheers, John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:56:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B8C37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12917; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:55:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128105555.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:55:55 -0600 To: Nils Holland From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: D-Link card Cc: jianyi dai , In-Reply-To: <20011128173116.G4067-100000@jodie.ncptiddische.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, indeed it uses the rl driver which is already in the GENERIC kernel.... At 05:33 PM 11.28.2001 +0100, Nils Holland wrote: >I don't currently own either of these cards, but from what I know, the >DFE530TX needs the vr driver, while the DFE530TX+ needs the rl driver. >This is something you should keep in your head when buying one of these >cards - they definately won't work if you use just the wrong of the two >drivers with the wrong card ;-) > >Greetings >Nils > >On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > >> I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... >> >> At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: >> > >> >In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. >> >But how about DFE-530TX+ ? > > >Nils Holland >Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany >http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org > > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 8:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B9937B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([199.243.149.34]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011128165948.JXSK9997.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:59:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fASGpZZ60589; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:51:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@xena.gsicomp.on.ca) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Emmerton To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: jianyi dai , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: D-Link card In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The DFE-530TX+ uses the 'rl' driver, and is supported. -- Matthew Emmerton || matt@gsicomp.on.ca GSI Computer Services || http://www.gsicomp.on.ca On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... > > At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: > > > >In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. > >But how about DFE-530TX+ ? > > > >Jerry > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > Best regards, > Jack L. Stone, > Server Admin > > Sage-American > http://www.sage-american.com > jacks@sage-american.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9: 3: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BD2537B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:02:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128170256.75253.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.174.9.99] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:02:56 CET Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:02:56 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?m=20p?= Subject: Re: Tool to build Solaris "packages" on FreeBSD? To: chris@shenton.org Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Shenton wrote: > > We've got SW we're building on FreeBSD but want to also install on > some Solaris boxes. In a past life, we wrote on Solaris and used > their package facilities to create and install SW. What I'd like is a > way to bundle the SW from a FreeBSD box into a Solaris-format package, > so I can ssh it to the Solaris box and install there with its native > package system. > > Any thought? Thanks. > Hi Chris, take a look at www.openpackage.org I don't know if they implemented Solaris yet, but it is on their "Secondary Targets Platforms" list. Hope that helps Marc __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9: 7:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from Pony.angelsk.ru (Pony.angelsk.ru [213.24.51.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C96837B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23910 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 17:07:20 -0000 Received: from ash.sanet.ru (HELO ash) (213.24.204.3) by pony.angelsk.ru with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 17:07:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:08:42 +0300 From: Andrey Shirshov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Reply-To: Andrey Shirshov Organization: SAnet X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1651039664.20011128200842@angelsk.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all freebsd-questions!! Tel me plz. What a the best icq client for the KDE2? -- Shirshov Andrey NPO "Arhavtomatika" System Administrator andy@angelsk.ru +7 (8182) 657612 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9: 8:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from yamato.ccrle.nec.de (yamato.ccrle.nec.de [195.37.70.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D7337B41C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from citadel.mobility.ccrle.nec.de ([192.168.156.1]) by yamato.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id fASFMxk70357; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:22:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.102.87] (agrajag.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.87]) by citadel.mobility.ccrle.nec.de (Postfix on SuSE eMail Server 2.0) with ESMTP id 8CCB2C040; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:23:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:23:04 +0100 From: Enrico Giakas Reply-To: Enrico Giakas To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: USB Network access Message-ID: <1114418789.1006964583@[192.168.102.87]> In-Reply-To: <20011128085832.D61032-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> References: <20011128085832.D61032-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I want to introduce a paralell network structure to our LAN, to administer our servers (eg Webmin, SNMP, Mrtg). To do so I want to use the USB Port because my Servers have only one PCI connector (they are so called "pizza box" Server). Does anyone know if there is a IP over USB or PPP over USB solution for FreeBSD ? Or how I can search for this? Thanks in advance Enrico _____________________________________________________ Enrico Giakas Network Laboratories Heidelberg NEC Europe Ltd. Adenauerplatz 6 D-69115 Heidelberg, Germany Tel.:+49/(0) 62 21/905 11- 12 Fax :+49/(0) 62 21/905 11- 55 email: Enrico.Giakas@ccrle.nec.de _____________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFC337B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (hutch-619.hutchtel.net [206.10.68.147]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D731EE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:11:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DDB9385C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:05:40 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: John Meredith Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bizarre FTP transfer problems Message-ID: <20011128110540.A550@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: John Meredith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011128131338.A15568@astarte.de> <20011128131828.A26960@astarte.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128131828.A26960@astarte.de>; from john@astarte.de on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:18:28PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:18:28PM +0100, John Meredith wrote: > Sorry. I forgot to mention that the clients in question (CuteFTP, EditPlus!) > transfer just over 8000bytes before stalling (I think the number was > 8698bytes) or so. > > The logs on the server say that the files was transferred correctly. > > TIA. Just throwing out ideas, but perhaps you are dealing with a bad switch. Especially would make sense if you had a mixture of 10 and 100 cards on your network. Have you tried a different port, different cable, that sort of thing? And it might be useful to know if it always dies at 8698 bytes, or just in that general area. How about ftp transfers TOO that machine from another server? Or trying a transfer via NFS. Some of these steps might help in troubleshooting the problem, but in my experience it sounds like bad hardware. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:18: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from zeta.qmw.ac.uk (zeta.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.6.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB27D37B41B; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.css.qmw.ac.uk ([138.37.8.11]) by zeta.qmw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 1698LG-0003Uw-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:17:50 +0000 Received: from cgaa180 by xi.css.qmw.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 1698LH-0006HU-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:17:51 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Enrico Giakas Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USB Network access In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:23:04 +0100." <1114418789.1006964583@[192.168.102.87]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:17:51 +0000 From: David Pick Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I want to introduce a paralell network structure to our LAN, to administer > our servers (eg Webmin, SNMP, Mrtg). > To do so I want to use the USB Port because my Servers have only > one PCI connector (they are so called "pizza box" Server). > > Does anyone know if there is a IP over USB or PPP over USB solution > for FreeBSD ? Or how I can search for this? Use USB Ethernet NICs? "aue", "cue", &c. See "/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT". -- David Pick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:28:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from khi.comsats.net.pk (khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.4.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB7D37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from company.mail (ppp7-088khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.7.88]) by khi.comsats.net.pk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fASHQu517015 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:26:56 +0500 (PKT) Received: from ahsanalikh [192.168.0.1] by company.mail [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.5.T) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:27:13 +0500 Message-ID: <001201c17831$eb17f130$0100a8c0@ahsanalikh> From: "Ahsan Ali" To: References: <20011128131338.A15568@astarte.de> <20011128131828.A26960@astarte.de> <20011128110540.A550@twincat.vladsempire.net> Subject: Re: Bizarre FTP transfer problems Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:27:13 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.1 X-Return-Path: ahsan@khi.comsats.net.pk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > transfer via NFS. Some of these steps might help in troubleshooting > the problem, but in my experience it sounds like bad hardware. I had a similar problem and it turned out to be a defective Ethernet card. You could try replacing that too. -Ahsan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:31:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1450F37B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASHUmm02571; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:30:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <000801c17832$6cf1fa20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy><86667vm1gd.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com><00da01c1781b$9b9f4100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> <000401c1782a$730a29d0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05179C.97A65420@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:30:47 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah, a true believer! That certainly didn't take long, did it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ekins" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 17:58 Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? > Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > > Your overall impressions of FreeBSD vs. Linux match mine, even though I have not > > bothered with Linux. > > So your opinion, technical or otherwise on comparisons between FreeBSD and > Linux is not worth anything. > > > Linux has been the target of enormous marketing and media > > hype, > > Yes it has. > > > but even a casual glance at the OS from a technical standpoint > > Happily I don't tend to make decisions based on casual glances. > > > makes one > > wonder why anyone would choose it over the other free versions of UNIX that are > > available. > > The hype is the one and only reason for the success of the OS, IMO, > > and I wonder whether it will survive over the long term. > > We've been using it here for several years, well before it was being > hyped. > > > > Mainly it comes down to maturity. FreeBSD works > > > for me in the production world. We had _A LOT_ of > > > problems with Linux systems from 2.2.15 onwards > > > due to broken VM subsystems. The 2.4 kernel had > > > been very problematic for us due to things like > > > software raid problems in 2.4.0. > > This suggests sticking to reliable versions unless you need to upgrade, > and if you do to test thoroughly. > > > This confirms my own intuition with respect to Linux. > > Intuition counts for nothing. > > > That has been exactly my impression since the beginning. > > Yes, lots more impression but no experience. > > > It's ideal for people > > who like to tinker with the OS without ever doing any productive work, > > Hmm, we have nearly two hundred Linux machines in service. We're a > commercial company so I guess they're not toy boxes. > > > and > > certainly without ever having a need for high-uptime production use. > > Some of our uptimes have wrapped past 497 days... > > > It also > > appeals to people who had never heard the word "UNIX" prior to encountering some > > of the hype around Linux. > > Well it's a good introduction to "Unix" in general if you can't get a real > "Unix". > > > Since I don't like to tinker with an OS (particularly just to get it to work), > > and since I knew what UNIX was several decades ago, Linux seems to me like a > > useless toy that appeals to the clueless. > > More of the words "seems"... Why don't you go and get some experience? > > > > Oh, and just in case anyone thinks I'm biased, > > > I attained my RHCE as an exam only candidate. > > > > Certifications are just a gravy train for vendors, IMO and IMX. It seems > > particularly odd to award certifications on an operating system that doesn't > > seem to be stable for more than a few days at a time. > > You have no experience of this, Anthony, as you keep telling us... It just > "seems" like that to you. > > Cheers, > John. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A59637B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (hutch-619.hutchtel.net [206.10.68.147]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04B1EE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:42 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99169385C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:30:13 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Vikash Badal / PCS Cc: "Freebsd-Questions (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Which provides a better firewall (ipfw or ipf) Message-ID: <20011128113013.B550@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: Vikash Badal / PCS , "Freebsd-Questions (E-mail)" References: <501BF453CDCFD111A6E40080C83DAC04E4BB27@PSICS001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <501BF453CDCFD111A6E40080C83DAC04E4BB27@PSICS001>; from VikashB@ComparexAfrica.co.za on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:15:53PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:15:53PM +0200, Vikash Badal / PCS wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Greetings, > > I have been searching around and am still unsure as to which > one (ipfw or ipf) is the better solution to implement on a firewall. > > I have used ipfw before and understand it (mostly). > ipf was ported to FreeBSD recently and is it better than ipfw ? > > Which (based upon your experiences) is the better solution > > Thanks > Vikash Having used ipfw for quite a while I recently changed over to ipf. There were a couple of reasons that factored into my decision. #1 ipf is available on OpenBSD and NetBSD as well as FreeBSD, so familiarity with it enables a bit of portability that ipfw doesn't give you. #2 Ipf has the ability to keep two rulesets loaded, and allows you to easily switch between them. This is especially useful when changing or debugging rulesets on an active connection. The advantages that ipfw had over ipf in my case were: #1 I was familiar with the ipfw syntax, but not the ipf syntax. This can easily lead to a firewall that doesn't do what you expect it to. #2 ipfw uses a first match wins ruleset, whereas ipf is a last match wins setup. This can cause the ruleset to get quite bulky and hard to follow especially if it is a longish ruleset, as you end up using a lot of quick rules to keep common packets from going through every rule in the list. Hope that helps you make an informed decision. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:36:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.caravan.ru (mx1.caravan.ru [217.23.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165537B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from virscan (helo=mx1.caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with scanned-ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1698d8-000Hbv-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:36:18 +0300 Received: from zk-office.caravan.ru ([217.23.131.8] helo=caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1698d8-000Hbj-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:36:18 +0300 Message-ID: <3C052091.70205@caravan.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:36:17 +0300 From: "Sergey V. Artjushkin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010919 X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: get client ip from accept(2) ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Colleagues, I have some question about accept(2) functions. I have wrote the following programm: ------------------------------- /* set up the listening tcp socket*/ if ( (l_fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) < 0) { log_error("socket (tcp) error"); exit(0); } memset(&l_servaddr,0,sizeof(l_servaddr)); l_servaddr.sin_family = AF_INET; l_servaddr.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY); l_servaddr.sin_port = htons(c_tcpport); if ( bind(l_fd,(struct sockaddr *) &l_servaddr, sizeof(l_servaddr)) < 0) { log_error ("bind TCP error"); exit(0); } if ( listen(l_fd, 32) < 0) { log_error("listen error"); exit(0); } if ( (l_connfd = accept(l_fd,(struct sockaddr *) l_cliaddr, &l_addrlen)) < 0) { log_error("accept error"); exit(0); } ---------------------------------------- I'm trying to find out the client ip that connects to this server. But l_cliaddr structure is NULL after succesfull accept call. As I understand from manuals in this structure must be client ip. Where I'm wrong and how I can get this ip? Thank you for advance. -- With best regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sergey Artjushkin Network Operation Center (SKIV-RIPE) ISP "CARAVAN" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 9:39:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.isg.siue.edu (mail.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488E037B41F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from WEBSHIELD2.isg.siue.edu (webshield2.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.150]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA28836 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:39:46 -0600 (CST) Received: FROM mail.isg.siue.edu BY WEBSHIELD2.isg.siue.edu ; Wed Nov 28 11:39:45 2001 -0600 Received: from client156-52.ll.siue.edu (client156-52.ll.siue.edu [146.163.156.52]) by mail.isg.siue.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28708; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:39:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from vcardon@localhost) by client156-52.ll.siue.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id fASHZBX29911; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:11 -0600 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: Rob Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: getting "cerr" symbol not found with C++ Port Message-ID: <20011128113511.B29834@client156-52.ll.siue.edu> References: <3C000F2C.1C368842@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <3C000F2C.1C368842@home.com>; from europax@home.com on Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 01:20:44PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 01:20:44PM -0800, Rob wrote: > I've been hacking on the SciPy python package which uses the Blitz++ > compiler. I'm getting "cerr" symbol not defined. I'm not a C++ hacker, > but I assume I'm not linking to the right libraries. Has anyone else > had this kind of problem with C++ on FreeBSD? It evidently does not > occur with Linux, where the program was originally developed. Thanks,=20 > Rob. I am not familiar with the blitz compiler, but are you including or ? -v --=20 Victor R. 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esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 1698uE-000CIk-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:58 +0300 Message-ID: <3C0524A3.5080902@sinp.msu.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:39 +0300 From: Dmitry Mottl Organization: SINP MSU User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011004 X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: multiple GID's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, All In how many groups does the user can be? Is there a limit? Where it is hardcoded? Where GID's are stored during user's sessions? Thank You! -- best regards, Dmitry Mottl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10: 3:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD7D37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by pr0n.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9CE6F48B; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:04:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:04:11 -0500 From: Kutulu To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128130411.A3840@pr0n.kutulu.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org>; from leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:33:23AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:33:23AM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > On 11/28/01 02:28 AM, Christopher Farley sat at the `puter and typed: > > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the > > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? > > From from from > > > > ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets > > sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. > > Only in the response. '>' is a standard quote lead. I notice you're > using Mutt 1.2.5 (You might want to upgrade to the latest mutt-devel). > When your message comes back to you in the list, it should not be > indented, but notice my reply does indent your text. I'm not exactly sure which program is doing it (my gut says it's the local delivery agent but I could be wrong) but it is very typical to prefix any lines which start with From with a single >, or some other character. The reason for this is due to the format of a typical Unix-style local mailfile. These are simply flat text files that contain every mail delivered to a given user, one after the other, in a single file. These files are delimited by the fact that the first header in each mail is the "From:" header. A "From" line somewhere in the middle of any email could confuse some user agents or mail-parsing scripts into thinking a new mail is starting. The solution is to prefix From lines in the body of a mail with some character, > by convention, to make it clear that it's part of the mail not part of the headers. --K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10: 6:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from eui2smtp.euskaltel.es (correo.euskaltel.es [212.55.8.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6BB37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from euskalnet.net ([62.99.35.205]) by eui2smtp.euskaltel.es (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GNIVL600.U7X for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:05:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3C052787.6060103@euskalnet.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:05:59 +0100 From: gutierrezp@euskalnet.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with XFree-4.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010502090701060205040205" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010502090701060205040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've buy recently a P4 computer with Radeon VE ATI graphic card. I need to install the version 4.1.0 of XFree86 to run graphic server. I try to install FreeBSD 4.4 without XFree86 and install this mysef. After configure X window, i try to probe the system but the monitor puted out. What can I do? I send you the log i obteined. Sorry for my bad English. --------------010502090701060205040205 Content-Type: text/plain; name="XFree86.0.log" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XFree86.0.log" XFree86 Version 4.1.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 2 June 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: FreeBSD 4.2-BETA i386 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Nov 28 18:43:56 2001 (++) Using config file: "/root/XF86Config.new" Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) ServerLayout "XFree86 Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Card0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (II) xf86ReadBIOS(f8000, e80, Buf, 2)-> d1 ee 44 fb... (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.4 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.2 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.2 (II) Loader running on freebsd (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,2530 card 0000,0000 rev 02 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,2532 card 0000,0000 rev 02 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,244e card 0000,0000 rev 04 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,2440 card 0000,0000 rev 04 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,244b card 8086,4732 rev 04 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:2: chip 8086,2442 card 8086,4732 rev 04 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,2443 card 8086,4732 rev 04 class 0c,05,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:4: chip 8086,2444 card 8086,4732 rev 04 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,2445 card 8086,4732 rev 04 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1002,5159 card 1002,0038 rev 00 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:08:0: chip 8086,2449 card 8086,3014 rev 03 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:0a:0: chip 1274,5880 card 1274,2000 rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0a (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0x0000c000 - 0x0000cfff (0x1000) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xff800000 - 0xff8fffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xe6900000 - 0xf69fffff (0x10100000) MX[B] (II) Bus 2: bridge is at (0:30:0), (0,2,2), BCTRL: 0x06 (VGA_EN is cleared) (II) Bus 2 I/O range: [0] -1 0x0000d000 - 0x0000d0ff (0x100) IX[B] [1] -1 0x0000d400 - 0x0000d4ff (0x100) IX[B] [2] -1 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B] [3] -1 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Bus 2 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xff900000 - 0xff9fffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) Bus 2 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0xf6a00000 - 0xf6afffff (0x100000) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:31:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Radeon VE rev 0, Mem @ 0xe8000000/27, 0xff8f0000/16, I/O @ 0xc800/8, BIOS @ 0xff8c0000/17 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [1] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [2] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [5] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [6] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [7] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000efff (0x100) IX[B]E [8] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [9] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000efff (0x80) IX[B]E [10] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [11] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [12] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [13] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) PCI I/O resource overlap reduced 0x0000ef00 from 0x0000efff to 0x0000ef3f (II) PCI I/O resource overlap reduced 0x0000ef80 from 0x0000efff to 0x0000ef9f (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [1] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [2] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [5] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [6] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [7] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000ef3f (0x40) IX[B]E [8] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [9] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000ef9f (0x20) IX[B]E [10] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [11] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [12] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [13] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [7] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [12] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [13] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [14] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000ef3f (0x40) IX[B]E [15] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [16] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000ef9f (0x20) IX[B]E [17] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [18] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [19] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [20] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/freebsd/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "pex5" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libpex5.a (II) Module pex5: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension X3D-PEX (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "xie" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libxie.a (II) Module xie: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension XIE (II) LoadModule: "ati" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o (II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 6.3.6 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.2 (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI), ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP) (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP), ATI Radeon VE (AGP) (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "Card0". (II) ATI: Unshared VGA not probed. (II) ATI: Unshared 8514/A not probed. (II) ATI: Unshared Mach64 at PIO base 0x02EC not probed. (--) Chipset ATI Radeon VE (AGP) found (II) Loading sub module "radeon" (II) LoadModule: "radeon" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o (II) Module radeon: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 4.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [7] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [11] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [12] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [13] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [14] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000ef3f (0x40) IX[B]E [15] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [16] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000ef9f (0x20) IX[B]E [17] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [18] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [19] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [20] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [6] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [7] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [9] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [10] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [11] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [12] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [13] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [14] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [15] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [16] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [17] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000ef3f (0x40) IX[B]E [18] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [19] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000ef9f (0x20) IX[B]E [20] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [21] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [22] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [23] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [24] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [25] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) RADEON(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0 (==) RADEON(0): Depth 8, (==) framebuffer bpp 8 (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 8 bits stored in 1 byte (8 bpp pixmaps) (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is PseudoColor (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) RADEON(0): initializing int10 (II) xf86ReadBIOS(0, 0, Buf, 600)-> f3 ee 00 f0... (II) xf86ReadBIOS(c0000, 0, Buf, 10000)-> 55 aa 68 e9... (II) xf86ReadBIOS(d0000, 0, Buf, 10000)-> ff ff ff ff... (II) xf86ReadBIOS(e0000, 0, Buf, 10000)-> 24 31 33 e9... (II) RADEON(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon VE (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x5159) (--) RADEON(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xe8000000 (--) RADEON(0): MMIO registers at 0xff8f0000 (--) RADEON(0): BIOS at 0xff8c0000 (--) RADEON(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte (64-bit SDR SDRAM) (II) RADEON(0): PLL parameters: rf=2700 rd=12 min=12500 max=35000; xclk=15800 (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) Loading sub module "vbe" (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) RADEON(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE Version 2.0 (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 32768 kB (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE OEM: ATI RADEON III (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc. (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: R100 (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00 (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE DDC supported (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2 (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 2 sec. (II) RADEON(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: SNY Model: 0 Serial#: 2360116 (II) RADEON(0): Year: 1996 Week: 17 (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.0 (II) RADEON(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.714/0.286 V (II) RADEON(0): Sync: Separate Composite SyncOnGreen (II) RADEON(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 29 vert.: 21 (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.86 (II) RADEON(0): DPMS capabilities: Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.625 redY: 0.340 greenX: 0.280 greenY: 0.595 (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.155 blueY: 0.070 whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.298 (II) RADEON(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) RADEON(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) RADEON(0): 800x600@75Hz (II) RADEON(0): 832x624@75Hz (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768@75Hz (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) RADEON(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) RADEON(0): #0: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 85 vid: 22853 (II) RADEON(0): #1: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 (==) RADEON(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (WW) RADEON(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 28-33kHz (WW) RADEON(0): Monitor0: using default vrefresh range of 43-72Hz (II) RADEON(0): Clock range: 12.50 to 350.00 MHz (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x400" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "720x400" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1152x864" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) (--) RADEON(0): Virtual size is 640x480 (pitch 640) (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (--) RADEON(0): Display dimensions: (29, 21) cm (--) RADEON(0): DPI set to (56, 58) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.4 (II) RADEON(0): Depth moves disabled by default (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MS[B] [1] 0 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MS[B] [2] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [4] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [5] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [6] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [7] -1 0xff9ff000 - 0xff9fffff (0x1000) MX[B]E [8] -1 0xf8000000 - 0xfbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B]E [9] -1 0xff8c0000 - 0xff8dffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0xff8f0000 - 0xff8fffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0xe8000000 - 0xefffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B) [12] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [13] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [14] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [15] 0 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IS[B] [16] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [17] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0x0000de80 - 0x0000deff (0x80) IX[B]E [19] -1 0x0000df00 - 0x0000dfff (0x100) IX[B]E [20] -1 0x0000ef00 - 0x0000ef3f (0x40) IX[B]E [21] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e8ff (0x100) IX[B]E [22] -1 0x0000ef80 - 0x0000ef9f (0x20) IX[B]E [23] -1 0x0000efa0 - 0x0000efbf (0x20) IX[B]E [24] -1 0x0000ef40 - 0x0000ef7f (0x40) IX[B]E [25] -1 0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffbf (0x20) IX[B]E [26] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [27] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [28] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONInitVisualConfigs failed (depth 8 not supported). Disabling DRI. (II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (640,8191) (II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,480) to (640,482) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 640 x 7709 (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Dashed Lines Scanline Image Writes Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 24 256x256 slots 9 512x512 slots (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled (II) RADEON(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 482) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 640 x 7705 (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (**) Option "Protocol" "auto" (**) Mouse0: Protocol: "auto" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" (==) Mouse0: Buttons: 3 (II) Keyboard "Keyboard0" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) (**) Option "BaudRate" "1200" Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, removing from list! --------------010502090701060205040205-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:16:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4D737B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15570; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3C0529E0.6080307@owt.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:00 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: Nils Holland , jianyi dai , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: D-Link card References: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> <3.0.5.32.20011128105555.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > Yes, indeed it uses the rl driver which is already in the GENERIC kernel.... > > At 05:33 PM 11.28.2001 +0100, Nils Holland wrote: > >>I don't currently own either of these cards, but from what I know, the >>DFE530TX needs the vr driver, while the DFE530TX+ needs the rl driver. >>This is something you should keep in your head when buying one of these >>cards - they definately won't work if you use just the wrong of the two >>drivers with the wrong card ;-) >> >>Greetings >>Nils >> >>On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >> >> >>>I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... >>> >>>At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: >>> >>>>In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. >>>>But how about DFE-530TX+ ? >>>> A newer DFE-530TX+ was taken into account with the following change Revision 1.38.2.7 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs], Thu Jul 19 18:33:07 2001 UTC (4 months, 1 week ago) by wpaul Branch: RELENG_4 CVS Tags: RELENG_4_4_BP, RELENG_4_4_0_RELEASE, RELENG_4_4 Changes since 1.38.2.6: +6 -3 lines Diff to previous 1.38.2.6 (colored) to branchpoint 1.38 (colored) next main 1.39 (colored) MFC: add the PCI ID for the D-Link DFE-530TX+/DFE-538TX. There was a similar change to if_rlreg.h. This is a long time after 4.2 was released. Without these changes, the new 530TX+ isn't recognized by the controller. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:17:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mule.aciri.org (mule.aciri.org [192.150.187.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C68537B416; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule.aciri.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mule.aciri.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fASIGxd04747; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodson@mule.aciri.org) Message-Id: <200111281816.fASIGxd04747@mule.aciri.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Danny Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 16 Bit Integrated Sound(onboard ) ? In-Reply-To: Message from Danny of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:11:33 +1100." <01112800113300.00408@freebsd.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:16:59 -0800 From: Orion Hodson Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can you be specific about what problems you are having with your onboard sound? What are you trying to do and how? From the information below it looks like the driver attaches normally. cheers - Orion In message <01112800113300.00408@freebsd.freebsd.org>,Danny writes: > Hello, > > I am having some problem with my ondboard sound card. I did the things > listed below and I still cannot get any sound. > > 1) I have the following sound card. > - 16 Bit Integrated Sound(onboard) > > 2)I have added the following and compiled the KERNEL > -options PNPBIOS > -device pcm > > 3) Here is the output of dmesg > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Nov 25 22:22:24 EST 2001 > dannyho@freebsd.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYKERNEL > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (933.37-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 > > Features=0x387f9ff AT,PSE36,PN,MMX,FXSR,SSE> > real memory = 117374976 (114624K bytes) > avail memory = 109514752 (106948K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc049e000. > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > md0: Malloc disk > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 > ohci0: mem 0xdffdf000-0xdffdffff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 > usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support > usb0: on ohci0 > usb0: USB revision 1.0 > uhub0: AcerLabs OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > pcm0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci0 > pci0: (vendor=0x13f6, dev=0x0211) at 12.1 irq 9 > sis0: port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 0xdffde000-0xdffdefff > > irq 3 at device 14.0 on pci0 > sis0: Ethernet address: 00:d0:09:cb:97:8b > miibus0: on sis0 > ukphy0: on miibus0 > ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf irq 0 at device 15.0 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ed0: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 3 at > device 20.0 on pci0 > ed0: address 00:4f:49:0a:1f:8d, type NE2000 (16 bit) > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/1 bytes threshold > plip0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > unknown: can't assign resources > ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable > ad0: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > acd0: DVD-ROM at ata0-slave using PIO4 > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > pid 384 (artsd), uid 1000: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) > > 4) Here is the output of cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Nov 25 2001 22:21:55 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xd800 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E16A337B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5085 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 18:17:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.10812.51518.454656@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:17:32 -0600 To: "Bara Zani" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? In-Reply-To: <23257006@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I can't resist sticking my 2 cents in. Bara Zani types: > Ok , I am not starting a flame/holy war here !!! You did, but not here. > this is purely out of curiosity , so a reasonable answer is required please FWIW, I've been using Unix systems for desktop work since 1985. They do the job very nicely, but do require the user to think about what they're doing. > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > now here is where I need your help : > I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... Not hard, with a few caveats. > as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts and pine > to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? They get transfered with the mail. If pine can deal with them, it will. If not - well, maybe you should look at a different browser. > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the java plugin on mozilla can > someone help with that ? If you want proprietary facilities, you'll have to go to the releases from Netscape for Linux, and enable linux compatability. > as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? xmms runs native. Personally, I just use plaympeg, which is one of the ports. > as for other stuff - image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx , avi ) Xv is available, but there are others that have simpler interfaces. There are also some that are trying to > also can I use star office with freebsd ? The linux binary runs in linux compatability mode. Personally, I prefer the Applix Office package. It feels more like a Unix desktop tool than a transplanted Windows desktop tool. The downside is that it doesn't read MS-proprietary formats as well as star office. > any other personal experience for using freebsd as a desktop and server are > welcomed . Unix is about choice - particularly choices that aren't available on Windows. So you wind up wasting lots of time playing with window managers and etc., instead of configuring screen savers :-). > please email me and not the list and I will summarize , > thanks That's not SOP for this list. Answers should go to both you and the list. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:18:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mencken.chronicle.com (mencken.chronicle.com [149.80.1.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4DB537B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by mencken.chronicle.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18145; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:26:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Tang X-X-Sender: Reply-To: To: Subject: Support for pen drives Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everyone, Does anyone know if there is driver support for pen drives for freebsd? --Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to 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for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5268 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 18:25:30 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:25:30 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) In-Reply-To: <132932202@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski types: > That isn't going to happen. Linux is a flavor of UNIX, and the architecture of > UNIX is incompatible with heavy desktop use You've said this before, but haven't done anything to demonstrate it. I've been making heavy desktop use of, and supporting users making heavy desktop use of, Unix since 1985. Nothing has happened during that time that in any way indicated that Unix is "incompatible with heavy desktopp use." Quite to the contrary, every time someone has asked me to work on Win 9x or Macs - through the mid 90s - they crashed regularly under my normal usage patterns. That convinced me that, if anything, those operating systems aren't suitable for "heave desktop use". In other words, I've got over 15 years of experience in direct contradiction to your statement. I'd like to hear what evidence you have to back it up. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:27:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255D137B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26666; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:27:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011128122703.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:27:03 -0600 To: Kent Stewart From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: D-Link card Cc: Nils Holland , jianyi dai , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3C0529E0.6080307@owt.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20011128100138.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> <3.0.5.32.20011128105555.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yep, forgot to mention I am using 4.4-STABLE and have two rl driven NICs in the DSL box... one is a D-Link DFE530TX+ and the other is Addtron AEF-360TX... both work well... (rl0 and rl1)... At 10:16 AM 11.28.2001 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > >> Yes, indeed it uses the rl driver which is already in the GENERIC kernel.... >> >> At 05:33 PM 11.28.2001 +0100, Nils Holland wrote: >> >>>I don't currently own either of these cards, but from what I know, the >>>DFE530TX needs the vr driver, while the DFE530TX+ needs the rl driver. >>>This is something you should keep in your head when buying one of these >>>cards - they definately won't work if you use just the wrong of the two >>>drivers with the wrong card ;-) >>> >>>Greetings >>>Nils >>> >>>On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'm running one now for DSL with no problem.... >>>> >>>>At 10:39 AM 11.28.2001 -0500, jianyi dai wrote: >>>> >>>>>In the FreeBSD 4.2 release note. D-Link DFE-530TX is supported. >>>>>But how about DFE-530TX+ ? >>>>> > > >A newer DFE-530TX+ was taken into account with the following change > > > Revision 1.38.2.7 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs], Thu >Jul 19 18:33:07 2001 UTC (4 months, 1 week ago) by wpaul >Branch: RELENG_4 >CVS Tags: RELENG_4_4_BP, RELENG_4_4_0_RELEASE, RELENG_4_4 >Changes since 1.38.2.6: +6 -3 lines >Diff to previous 1.38.2.6 (colored) to branchpoint 1.38 (colored) next >main 1.39 (colored) > >MFC: add the PCI ID for the D-Link DFE-530TX+/DFE-538TX. > >There was a similar change to if_rlreg.h. This is a long time after 4.2 >was released. Without these changes, the new 530TX+ isn't recognized by >the controller. > >Kent > > > >-- >Kent Stewart >Richland, WA > >mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com >http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html >FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. 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2001 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fASIgFC06079; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:42:15 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2001112819420286:1146 ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:42:02 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASImOR83636; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:48:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:48:23 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: avoiding the rodent [was: The Stupid Virus going arround. ] Message-ID: <20011128194823.F26507@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <85378078@toto.iv> <15365.11429.671516.962848@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15365.11429.671516.962848@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/28/2001 07:42:02 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/28/2001 07:42:11 PM, Serialize complete at 11/28/2001 07:42:11 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Mike Meyer > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:27:49 -0600 > To: dochawk@psu.edu > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: avoiding the rodent [was: The Stupid Virus going arround. ] > > dochawk@psu.edu types: > > >Here here! I can't use anything else without noticing my blood > > >pressure go up. If I have to touch that d@#&! mouse more than 5 times > > >a day, I get bothered. And I spend a LOT of time on the computer. > > I hear you there. I'm an admitted keystroke whore, which is one of the > > reasons I usse LyX rather than LaTeX. > > I hope both of you have noticed the update to the ratpoison port, > which is a window manager that lets you not use the rat. > > I hope to have a more configurable option in the ports tree in the > near future. How about blackbox + bbkeys? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 7:47PM up 36 days, 6:30, 22 users, load averages: 0.20, 0.12, 0.09 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 10:44: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3371037B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASIhd127685; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111281843.fASIhd127685@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mike Meyer , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: avoiding the rodent [was: The Stupid Virus going arround. ] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:27:49 CST." <15365.11429.671516.962848@guru.mired.org> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:39 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mike mumbled, > I hope both of you have noticed the update to the ratpoison port, > which is a window manager that lets you not use the rat. > I hope to have a more configurable option in the ports tree in the > near future. I'll have to check this out. I'd never even hear of it before the prior post . . . hawk, who remains connvinced that X is just a way of displaying multiple terminals and LyX a the same time (OK, and this time of year, for xsnow . . .) -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:12:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F30A37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5951 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 19:05:10 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.13670.568722.662388@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:05:10 -0600 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: <26279900@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan types: > Now, the right answer: use your judgement (as always). If you're > replying to specific points, don't top-post. If you're making a > broader reply and there's no reason to make the reader wade through > previous writing first, then by all means top-post. Why not? In that case, why bother sending the previous writing *at all*? If people really want to read it, it's in the archives. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:22: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62EA37B426 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id fASJLCb11138; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:21:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:21:12 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Vlad Skvortsov Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route add -interface Message-ID: <20011128212112.B94418@sunbay.com> References: <20011128143913.M11977@smarts-gsm.ru> <20011128140919.A42977@sunbay.com> <20011128191538.O11977@smarts-gsm.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128191538.O11977@smarts-gsm.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:15:38PM +0300, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:09:19PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > [Please CC: any answers back to me, I'm not on the list !] > > > > Internal router Peer > > > =============================== =========== > > > ----> | 192.168.1.2 | | 192.168.2.1 | -- sbni -> | 2.3.4.1 | > > > =============================== =========== > > > > > > ISP forwards a block of addresses, say, 2.3.4.0/30 to 1.2.3.5. Cisco > > > router forwards them to some internal servers. My task is to forward one > > > address, 2.3.4.1, to peer. > > > The problem is that I cannot setup internal router to properly > > > forward this address to peer. Peer cannot set 192.168.2.x address on his end > > > of sbni interface (windows there ...). So I configure my end this way: > > > > > > # ifconfig sbni1 192.168.2.1 netmask 0xffffffff > > > # route add 2.3.4.1 -interface sbni1 > > > > > > Pinging 2.3.4.1 fails with redirect FROM MY END 192.168.2.1 > > > (redirected to 2.3.4.1). When I start exploring the situation, it reveals > > > that ARP table contains record with MY MAC address and IP of PEER. When I > > > see netstat -nr output I discover that there is an entry containing PEER's > > > ip address and MY ip address (though with proper interface specified). > > > > > > Is this a bug in sbni driver or is this a misbehaviour of freebsd > > > route add command ? I run FreeBSD 4.2. > > > > > So, your purpose is to resolve the 2.3.4.1 address through the ARP on > > the sbni1 attached ethernet-type network, right? You can do this in > > two ways. > > > > 1. The standard way. > > Configure your sbni1 interface with netmask other than 255.255.255.255 > > and give the peer an address in the 192.168.2 network, say 192.168.2.2. > > Then, the following command will DTRT: > > route add -host 2.3.4.1 192.168.2.2 > > This can't be accomplished due to peer's configuration. There is > windows router there and in order to NAT their network they have to set real > ip (2.3.4.1) on sbni interface. Having eliminated this fact would greatly > simplify the situation. > > > 2. A magnician's way. > > Bring your sbni1 interface up, without even configuring any IP address > > on it! Then the following command should DTRT: > > route add -net 2.3.4.1/32 -iface sbni1 -cloning > > This tells your kernel that it should resolve 2.3.4.1/32 addresses > > through the ARP on the sbni1 attached network. > > I MUST have some ARP-resolvable address on my end to allow windows > to route packets to my ip rather than through the interface. > Hmm, so the peer is actually a Windows box? OK, then just use the route(8) command I showed you, in addition to configuring your interface with the all-ones netmask. But beware that you will somehow do the opposite on the peer's side, i.e. learn it how to resolve 192.168.2.1 through the ARP. It could probably be done with static ARP somehow. To do this on a FreeBSD box (configure static ARP entry for a peer), run this command: route add -iface -llinfo -host 2.3.4.1 -link sbni1:1.2.3.4.5.6 You can't do this with arp(8), because it needs to "intuit" the interface index. Also, you can't use "-ifp sbni1" on FreeBSD < 5.0 with the "route add" command. On 5.0-CURRENT, you'd write: route add -iface -llinfo -host 2.3.4.1 -link :1.2.3.4.5.6 -ifp sbni1 Please don't exclude me from reply list: if I wanted to be excluded, I'd have used the Mail-Followup-To: feature. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:23:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from florida-wireless.com (mailserver.florida-wireless.com [208.62.145.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9773A37B41E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:23:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:22:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200111281422.AA309461118@florida-wireless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "brain_damaged" Reply-To: To: "freebsd-questions" , "imgate" Subject: using MAIL command to send messages and copies of logs. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello FreeBSDers, I was looking at the mail command to mail some logs or info out. Reading the man pages is somewhat informative but lacks so my guessing is it goes something like this ka sa ra sa ra life is ooops :-) i mean mail -s "subject if spaces are used" user@domain.com if i want to add a second or third receiptent mails -s "subject matter" user@domain.com -c user2@domain.com if i put a third do i use a ; or a ' or a space to seperate ? to read in a log file to send to abuse@noc.net mails -s "hack attempts" abuse@domain.net -c me@mydomain.com ~r /var/log/messages am i clos on any of them. thanks mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:32:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smart.eusc.inter.net (smart.eusc.inter.net [213.73.101.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C08137B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from m016-szekszard.dial.elender.hu ([212.108.213.240] helo=aol.com) by 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:40:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tk212017121218.teleweb.at (TK212017121218.teleweb.at [212.17.121.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C4A537B43D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 93685 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2001 19:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freebsd3.rocks) (192.168.1.10) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 19:39:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 93599 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Nov 2001 19:39:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:39:25 +0100 From: Herbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Licq cvs v8 branch Message-ID: <20011128203925.A15164@freebsd3.rocks> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hei! Anyone is running the licq cvs v8 branch under FreeBSD? I can't get the qt-gui plugin to compile!!! The Qt-libraries are not found by the configure script! I also tried my own qt compilation and installation. I can compile licq-1.0.3 with it, but not the cvs snapshot. The damn configure script is always telling me no qt! :( Any ideas? Best Regards, Herbert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:49:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8402D37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7323 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 19:49:17 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.16317.286173.652889@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:49:17 -0600 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: <200111281441.AA430047422@cshore.com> References: <200111281441.AA430047422@cshore.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG MATTHEW.GRAYBOSCH types: > "In that case, why bother sending the previous writing *at all*? If > people really want to read it, it's in the archives." > > The only time *I* want to bother with the archives is to avoid asking a question that has already been answered. I'd prefer to see what you're replying to as I'm reading your reply. Ack. Please teach your mail reader to wrap lines at a reasonable length. Under 100 would be nice. Under 80 would be even nicer. I suspect most people agree with you. I suspect that most want to read a discussion as a discussion, not a collection of paragraphs in vaguely reverse chronological order. Taking that as a given, proper etiquette - which you use to show your respect for the people you are dealing with - is to edit the included message into a discussion. Failing to do that is telling everying you don't think they - or possibly your writing - are worth the effort involved in creating a coherent document. Just dumping in the text of the message you are replying to tells them you don't even think the disk space and network bandwidth they are paying for is worthy of any consideration. So if you can't take the time to turn the message you are sending into a coherent document, at least be polite enough to spare us the burden of the text that isn't worth your time to edit. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:54:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sigma.socruel.nu (gone.xs4all.nl [213.84.247.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF8237B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lotus.ad.socruel.org (unknown [172.16.0.200]) by sigma.socruel.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32965B10C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:54:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: The Personal galary Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:00:22 +0100 Message-ID: <2578F22C7A5515449899AF290E2D48321537@lotus.ad.socruel.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Personal galary Thread-Index: AcF4R0/n8ZfOajulTC6LLls7jkbukg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Lars Wittebrood" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I've filled in a request form for the personal galary page a week or two ago and I got a response that in a few days my item will be on the webpage. It isn't on still. My question is when my item will be on your personal galary webpage? My domain name is socruel.nu. MTIA. Lars. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 11:56:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2888437B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a236.otenet.gr [212.205.215.236]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id fASJuFY02290; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:56:16 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASBi8022515; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:44:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:44:07 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Christopher Farley Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Stupid Virus going arround. Message-ID: <20011128114407.GA22466@hades.hell.gr> References: <15363.48584.202273.470447@guru.mired.org> <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-11-28 02:28:08, Christopher Farley wrote: > Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: > > > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. > > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? The standard Unix mailbox format `knows' that a new message has started when it finds a line beginning with "From ". For instance, a mailbox with two messages woule have something like: From address ... [ The rest of the header ] Body of message #1. From address2 ... [ The rest of header2 ] Body of message #2. Since mail readers will think that a new message begins if a line starts with "From ", it is escaped with a leading ">" to avoid messing mailboxes. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12: 4:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FF137B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com ([195.121.228.167]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNJ12A01.6HE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:03:46 +0100 From: "Cees Dam" <_Cees.Dam@Planet.nl> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: <20011128200356.09FF137B405@hub.freebsd.org> 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DF837B420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluerondo.a.la.turk (nas-cbv-4-24-207.dial.proxad.net [213.228.24.207]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA495FD3D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:02:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 507 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Nov 2001 20:02:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:02:51 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Mike Meyer Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011128210251.A444@lpt.ens.fr> References: <26279900@toto.iv> <15365.13670.568722.662388@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15365.13670.568722.662388@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:05:10PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer said on Nov 28, 2001 at 13:05:10: > Rahul Siddharthan types: > > Now, the right answer: use your judgement (as always). If you're > > replying to specific points, don't top-post. If you're making a > > broader reply and there's no reason to make the reader wade through > > previous writing first, then by all means top-post. Why not? > > In that case, why bother sending the previous writing *at all*? To provide a general context? > If people really want to read it, it's in the archives. But I don't want to fire up my web browser every time I read mail. Especially if I'm downloading my mail over a modem and reading it offline. I agree it's not always appropriate (in fact it usually isn't) and it's irritating when the bulk of the message is an unedited quote of someone's previous message (but this is equally irritating when quoted on top, so it's a different issue). I don't like rigid rules like "never do this" on matters of etiquette. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12: 6:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gvtcsmtp.america.net (smvy-216-177-160-30.gvtc.com [216.177.160.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B4937B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (smvy-216-177-165-147.gvtc.com [216.177.165.147]) by gvtcsmtp.america.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fASK71c03160 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111282007.fASK71c03160@gvtcsmtp.america.net> From: "Jim Gansle" <_jgansle@gvtc.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal 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mailnull@localhost) by lulu.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18661 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:07:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from ugstudent.nbp.nwu.edu (ugstudent.nbp.nwu.edu [129.105.41.189]) by lulu.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma017396; Wed, 28 Nov 01 14:07:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:05:20 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v472) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Mac OS X device list From: Sam Seaver To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3FCB1EA8-E43B-11D5-810D-00039357AD9E@northwestern.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.472) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG or should i say darwin? ugstudent:/] root# ls /dev bpf0 disk0s6 ptyp3 ptyq2 rdisk0 rdisk1s2 ttyp9 ttyq8 bpf1 disk0s7 ptyp4 ptyq3 rdisk0s1 stderr ttypa ttyq9 bpf2 disk0s8 ptyp5 ptyq4 rdisk0s10 stdin ttypb ttyqa bpf3 disk0s9 ptyp6 ptyq5 rdisk0s11 stdout ttypc ttyqb console disk1 ptyp7 ptyq6 rdisk0s12 tty ttypd ttyqc cu.modem disk1s1 ptyp8 ptyq7 rdisk0s2 tty.modem ttype ttyqd disk0 disk1s2 ptyp9 ptyq8 rdisk0s3 ttyp0 ttypf ttyqe disk0s1 fd ptypa ptyq9 rdisk0s4 ttyp1 ttyq0 ttyqf disk0s10 klog ptypb ptyqa rdisk0s5 ttyp2 ttyq1 urandom disk0s11 kmem ptypc ptyqb rdisk0s6 ttyp3 ttyq2 zero disk0s12 mem ptypd ptyqc rdisk0s7 ttyp4 ttyq3 disk0s2 null ptype ptyqd rdisk0s8 ttyp5 ttyq4 disk0s3 ptyp0 ptypf ptyqe rdisk0s9 ttyp6 ttyq5 disk0s4 ptyp1 ptyq0 ptyqf rdisk1 ttyp7 ttyq6 disk0s5 ptyp2 ptyq1 random rdisk1s1 ttyp8 ttyq7 ok there's no usual /dev/hd or /dev/cdrom thingy, and if I wanted to install FreeBSD, what devices should I be looking at? thanks Sam ps and I mean install the real thing not just use this darwin variant To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:13:24 2001 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prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id E79D67CEF6; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:17:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:17:41 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Ian Morrison Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet card. Message-ID: <20011128211741.I14806@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <20011127235941.A3046@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> <20011128131757.A19940@phear.darq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128131757.A19940@phear.darq.net>; from ian@darq.net on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:17:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:17:58PM +0000, Ian Morrison wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:59:41PM +0100, Grzegorz Czaplinski wrote: > > Cheers! > > Does anyone know whether FreeBSD support an Intel Ethernet > > Card Pro/100S desktop adapter with management support? > > I'm not sure about the crypto, but when I've used these they > appear as normal fxp's. > Cheers! I have just tried this card and compiled it as fxp0 too. Works OK so far, but do you know how to get into its bios? I can't find any reference at intel's homepage. What I need to do is to change 100Mb to 10Mb. Thanks, gregory -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:20:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8088037B41E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tspivey8 ([24.76.54.195]) by femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011128202047.SLYC29441.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:20:47 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: tyler spivey Reply-To: tyler spivey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: freebsd 4.4r freezng up constantly Message-Id: <20011128202047.SLYC29441.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tspivey8> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:20:48 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm typing in commands an all of a sudden it's freezing up. like: $clear wait 10 seconds.. prompt appears. clear works fine this time. #tcpdump wait... wait... wait.. switch to another screen, send this email, and i get: rl0: watchdog timeout and this has happened ever since i instaled the oss drivers. maybe that is it? oss trial version. last time i tried the freebsd audio drivers under 4.3 it didn't go so well for me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:22:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4481C37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8013 invoked by uid 100); 28 Nov 2001 20:22:23 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.18303.901189.957520@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:22:23 -0600 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list In-Reply-To: <63173733@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan types: > Mike Meyer said on Nov 28, 2001 at 13:05:10: > > Rahul Siddharthan types: > > > Now, the right answer: use your judgement (as always). If you're > > > replying to specific points, don't top-post. If you're making a > > > broader reply and there's no reason to make the reader wade through > > > previous writing first, then by all means top-post. Why not? > > In that case, why bother sending the previous writing *at all*? > To provide a general context? Email is quick enough that if it's a broad reply, they probably have it. If not - it's in the archives. > I agree it's not always appropriate (in fact it usually isn't) and > it's irritating when the bulk of the message is an unedited quote of > someone's previous message (but this is equally irritating when quoted > on top, so it's a different issue). I don't like rigid rules like > "never do this" on matters of etiquette. Actually, the only thing I think is a "never do this" thing is to dump the unedited text of the message, whether on the top or the bottom. Once you're at the point of editing it, you might as well turn it into a coherent discussion. Even if it's just a broad, general reply - someone may want to reply to that. Might as well get them off to a good start while you're at it. Of course, if you're talking about the message instead of replying to it, that's a different thing entirely. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:26:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fw.drenet.dnd.ca (fw.drenet.dnd.ca [131.136.242.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D920237B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASKQeS87064 for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from behemoth.dreo.dnd.ca (behemoth.dreo.dnd.ca [131.136.46.6]) by fw.drenet.dnd.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASKQd886999 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from behemoth.dreo.dnd.ca (behemoth.dreo.dnd.ca [131.136.46.6]) by behemoth.dreo.dnd.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fASKQdB13936 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:26:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: Claude Marinier X-X-Sender: Reply-To: To: Subject: Which OSI image has Gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Info: scanned for viruses Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, About FreeBSD 4.4. Which ISO image has Gnome? Is all of it on one CD? Please reply by e-mail to me. I am not (yet?) on the mailing list. I searched DejaNews and did not find this info. I also looked on the FreeBSD web site. Thanks. -- Claude Marinier, Information Technology Group claude.marinier@dreo.dnd.ca Defence Research Establishment Ottawa (DREO) (613) 998-4901 FAX 998-2675 3701 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0Z4 http://www.dreo.dnd.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:33:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8CA37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASKXgP59295; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:33:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:33:41 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Claude Marinier Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OSI image has Gnome Message-ID: <20011128153341.A59258@blackhelicopters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from claude.marinier@dreo.dnd.ca on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:26:39PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's all on the first CD. On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:26:39PM -0500, Claude Marinier wrote: > Hi, > > About FreeBSD 4.4. Which ISO image has Gnome? Is all of it on one CD? > > Please reply by e-mail to me. I am not (yet?) on the mailing list. > > I searched DejaNews and did not find this info. I also looked on the > FreeBSD web site. > > Thanks. > > -- > Claude Marinier, Information Technology Group claude.marinier@dreo.dnd.ca > Defence Research Establishment Ottawa (DREO) (613) 998-4901 FAX 998-2675 > 3701 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0Z4 http://www.dreo.dnd.ca > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:39:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from charentes.fr.clara.net (charentes.fr.clara.net [212.43.194.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02FC37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.freesurf.fr (danton.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.3]) by charentes.fr.clara.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A0159592 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:39:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from gargantua.dyndns.org (du-204-26.nat.dialup.freesurf.fr [212.43.204.26]) by mail2.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5CADB01D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:39:02 +0100 (CET) Received: (from romain@localhost) by gargantua.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASKavO00832 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:36:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from romain) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:36:54 +0100 From: Romain Berrendonner To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: CTM initial steps Message-ID: <20011128213653.D238@gargantua.dyndns.org> Reply-To: romain@cuivre.fr.eu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Folks, I got a very limited bandwidth towards the Internet, but would like to keep in touch with -STABLE anyway. According to the handbook, the best way to do that is CTM. My only problem is that the last xempty file is 72MB big, which means a 4 hours download for me. Since I got a full 4.4-RELEASE /usr/src, it's a big waste of bandwidth. So, how can I know which deltas I have to fetch in order to turn a 4.4-RELEASE source tree into a -STABLE ? Many thanks, -- Romain romain@cuivre.fr.eu.org PGP Key fingerprint: 9416 A340 5934 388F FC44 34C2 AD80 555E 9CBE D8CB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:58:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com (cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com [24.177.87.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A2637B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gsouther@localhost) by cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fASKwPx83145; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:58:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gsouther) From: Gary Southerly Message-Id: <200111282058.fASKwPx83145@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com> Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet card. In-Reply-To: <20011128211741.I14806@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> To: Grzegorz Czaplinski Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:58:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL92 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can use "/sbin/ifconfig" to change the settings. IE: ifconfig fxp0 media 10baseT/utp This would set it to 10Mb. I believe you could set it in the /etc/rc.conf file by adding "media 10baseT/UTP" in the line "ifconfig_fxp0=" to set it at boot time. for example: ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 10baseT/UTP" Hope this helps, Gary > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:17:58PM +0000, Ian Morrison wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:59:41PM +0100, Grzegorz Czaplinski wrote: > > > Cheers! > > > Does anyone know whether FreeBSD support an Intel Ethernet > > > Card Pro/100S desktop adapter with management support? > > > > I'm not sure about the crypto, but when I've used these they > > appear as normal fxp's. > > > Cheers! > I have just tried this card and compiled it as fxp0 too. > Works OK so far, but do you know how to get into its bios? > I can't find any reference at intel's homepage. > What I need to do is to change 100Mb to 10Mb. > Thanks, > gregory > -- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 12:59:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [216.194.193.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF90F37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [216.194.193.106]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481051E88B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fASKxCq90852 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khera) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:59:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200111282059.fASKxCq90852@onceler.kciLink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Vivek Khera To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTP authentication? Newsgroups: ml.freebsd.questions References: X-Trace: lorax.kciLink.com 1006980417 53503 216.194.193.106 (28 Nov 2001 20:46:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: daemon@kciLink.com Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "BB" == Big B writes: BB> I am wanting to turn my pop/smtp server into authentication relay BB> only on SMTP? BB> Is there something I can install port wise to get me in the right BB> direction. Sendmail allegedly can do SMTP AUTH. I know nothing of it. Postfix can do SMTP AUTH. Install postfix-current with SASL enabled and then configure SASL how you want it to do authentication. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13: 7:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from proxy1.addr.com (proxy1.addr.com [209.249.147.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3435437B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from CHUNKY4.addr.com (fwgw.addr.com [65.107.229.194]) by proxy1.addr.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) with ESMTP id fASL7Yo07147 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:07:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mdjohnso@addr.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128135957.020a77a8@denver.den.addr.com> X-Sender: mdjohnso@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:07:23 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Matt Johnson Subject: Question regarding an error message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Can you please let me know to which list I should post regarding an error when re-building the kernel for FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE after a CVS today? For reference, the error was regarding the module in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. Thank you very much. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:19:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C377B37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO mlevy) (12.27.148.78) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2001 21:19:50 -0000 Message-ID: <033001c17852$ceda29e0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Bara Zani" To: Subject: SUMMERY - Freebsd as a desktop Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:22:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok , here goes . I got about 15 replies which were very informative to start with all but one person are using freebsd as a desktop with great satisfaction . window manager - kde2 mail - pine/mutt and fetchmail for terminal sylpheed and mozilla/netscape mail for gui mp3 - xmms mpg - xanim , xine , avifile , vlc mplayer http://freshmeat.net/projects/mplayer/ all said java-lugin is impossible to configure at this time but suggested either Konqueror or linux mozilla . staroffice is in the ports . so to summarize this is about what I need from a desktop . I guess one needs to browse through the ports collection with more detail ;-) thanks a lot everybody . if you have anymore suggestions / additions please do ( to me or the list ) barazani _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:21:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from noname.csdl.lt (noname.csdl.lt [194.176.40.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C6FC37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28163 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2001 21:22:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:22:42 +0200 From: Paulius Bulotas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: compiling tripwire on freebsd (signal 9) Message-ID: <20011128212241.GA27780@noname> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello people, as I found in some mailing lists archives, tripwire 2.3.1 is not included in ports because it has freebsd selectable originally... So, I tried to compile it from source, but got the following on third file ;) c++ -I../stlport -Wall -W -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -ftemplate-depth-32 -O2 complex_io.cpp -c -o obj/GCC/Release/complex_io.o c++: Internal compiler error: program cc1plus got fatal signal 9 Anyone knows how to solve this? Paulius To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:24:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from on.net.mk (ns3.on.net.mk [217.16.69.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DB437B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.16.64.132] (HELO aol.com) by on.net.mk (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with SMTP id 2058586 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:23:56 +0100 From: "Borjan Mukaetov" <_firefox@on.net.mk> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:23:56 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: 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ESMTP id A95EB37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gsouther@localhost) by cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fASLUUb83295; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:30:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gsouther) From: Gary Southerly Message-Id: <200111282130.fASLUUb83295@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com> Subject: Re: Question regarding an error message In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128135957.020a77a8@denver.den.addr.com> To: Matt Johnson Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:30:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL92 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Matt, I think the list you are looking for is "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Gary > Hello, > > Can you please let me know to which list I should post regarding an error > when re-building the kernel for FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE after a CVS today? For > reference, the error was regarding the module in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. > > Thank you very much. > > -Matt > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:37: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5C37B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASLahm03212; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:36:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:36:43 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike writes: > You've said this before, but haven't done > anything to demonstrate it. I'm surprised that you think it requires demonstration. UNIX was designed to service hundreds of users sitting in front of dumb terminals; it was not designed to drive a single resource-intensive GUI on dedicated hardware for a single user. UNIX architecture puts a huge emphasis on multiple, independent users and processes, and very little emphasis on the kind of close integration and hardware dependency that a complex GUI requires. These characteristics make for an excellent timesharing system or server, but they also make for a poor desktop environment. Windows is the other way around. It has virtually no concept of multiple users and no provision for hardware independence. Processes and users are not intended to work simultaneously on the same machine on completely different tasks. As a result, it is very good for dedicated, single-user desktop use, but very poor for timesharing use and mediocre for server use. If you believe that UNIX is as good a desktop as Windows, then logically you must also believe that Windows is as good a server as UNIX. An extension of this logic leads to the conclusion that the operating systems are essentially identical--but that obviously is not the reality. > I've been making heavy desktop use of, and > supporting users making heavy desktop use of, > Unix since 1985. Nothing has happened during > that time that in any way indicated that Unix > is "incompatible with heavy desktopp use." Most operating systems can be stretched to fill all sorts of roles for which they weren't intended. That doesn't make them good in such applications, nor does it make them superior to purpose-built operating systems for those same applications. It's interesting to see how hard people will try to prove or at least argue that their pet operating systems are the best for all purposes, or even adequate for all purposes. I've never seen an operating system that can do it all, and I expect that I never will. > Quite to the contrary, every time someone has > asked me to work on Win 9x or Macs - through the > mid 90s - they crashed regularly under my > normal usage patterns. That convinced me that, > if anything, those operating systems aren't > suitable for "heave desktop use". Heavy desktop use requires NT and its descendants. Windows 9x and the Mac are for occasional, non-critical desktop use, for precisely the reasons you cite. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:40:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from on.net.mk (ns3.on.net.mk [217.16.69.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AA937B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.16.64.132] (HELO aol.com) by on.net.mk (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with SMTP id 2058698 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:39:25 +0100 From: "Borjan Mukaetov" <_firefox@on.net.mk> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:39:26 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: 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28 Nov 2001 13:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28896 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2001 21:49:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:08 +0200 From: Paulius Bulotas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: out of swap space Message-ID: <20011128214908.GA28814@noname> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, just installed FreeBSd and gave it some work ;) and noticed, that some processes are killed. For example, cvsup got killed and so on... ir /var/log/messages there are such events: Nov 28 23:03:03 noname /kernel: pid 16590 (httpd), uid 80, was killed: out of swap space Nov 28 23:03:04 noname /kernel: swap_pager_getswapspace: failed and so on and so on... Memory is used normally, there are only 4Mb of swap used (from 128)... Where's the problem? Thanks, Paulius To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:56:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f300.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF737B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:56:40 -0800 Received: from 65.64.1.181 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:56:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.64.1.181] From: "Todd Reed" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Kill popd shell Script Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:56:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2001 21:56:40.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F06F410:01C17857] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm needing some help. I'm wanting to kill Popd before the system shutdowns and I would like it to be automated like the httpd and mysqld. If I run the command ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5, I get the PID. Is there any way to get that varible into a shell script varible without having to write it to a file then read from the file, then delete the file? Or am I going about this the wrong way? --Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 13:58:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtapop1pub.verizon.net (mtapop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF1437B509 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com (pool-141-153-169-53.mad.east.verizon.net [141.153.169.53]) by mtapop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id PAA6783064 Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:57:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:57:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200111282157.PAA6783064@mtapop1pub.verizon.net> From: "M Cardwell" <_m.cardwell@verizon.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14: 1:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A80D37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fASM1CX48962 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:01:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: doug X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) In-Reply-To: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Assuming one already uses FreeBSD (why else subscribe to this list ;) there are advantages to using it as a desktop. I started using BSD servers and win9x desktops using a product (eXceed) to connect to the servers. Switching to FreeBSD as my main desktop greatly accelerated my learning curve for FreeBSD/Unix. Since I am of the opinion that Windows will eventually become as much of a closed software environment as the Mac is for hardware, having a FreeBSD desktop is a double winner for me. For the health of Open Source OSs in general I would point out that there are (tens of??) thousands more desktops than servers in the world. If there is going to be an OS war it will be won or lost there (IMO). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14: 7:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4560F37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 42F4A18F4; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2FD18F2; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: M Cardwell <_m.cardwell@verizon.net> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <200111282157.PAA6783064@mtapop1pub.verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [NON-Text Body part not included] What's with all these .wav files being sent to the list? Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14: 9:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.host4u.net (gaia.host4u.net [209.150.128.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8966237B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from andre ([216.71.43.117]) by gaia.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21531; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:03:45 -0600 Message-ID: <02e201c17859$1697bcb0$a50410ac@olmct.net> Reply-To: "Andre` Niel Cameron" From: "Andre` Niel Cameron" To: "Rick Hamell" , "M Cardwell" <_m.cardwell@verizon.net> Cc: References: Subject: Re: Re: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:07:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Umm there not waves they are viruses... Regards, Andre` C. Technical Support Ô¿Ô¬ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Visit our support manual at http://supportmanual.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Hamell" To: "M Cardwell" <_m.cardwell@verizon.net> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: > > > [NON-Text Body part not included] > > What's with all these .wav files being sent to the list? > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://hw.shatteredcrystal.com > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:12: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93637B41E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 606A17CEF6; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:12:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:12:02 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Gary Southerly Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet card. Message-ID: <20011128231202.A17296@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <20011128211741.I14806@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> <200111282058.fASKwPx83145@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111282058.fASKwPx83145@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com>; from gsouther@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:58:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:58:24PM -0700, Gary Southerly wrote: > You can use "/sbin/ifconfig" to change the settings. IE: > ifconfig fxp0 media 10baseT/utp > I have just gave it a try. Setting manualy works like a charm. ;> > This would set it to 10Mb. I believe you could set it in the > /etc/rc.conf file by adding "media 10baseT/UTP" in the line > "ifconfig_fxp0=" to set it at boot time. > for example: > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 10baseT/UTP" This does not work. Dos not bring the interface up. The reason I am asking the question is because I have an old 3Com 509B ISA card. This card is 10baseT. Recently I got a new Intel card. I recompiled my kernel with those options: device miibus # MII bus support device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) After reboot the system brings the interface up, but it is slow. When I ping the nearest (my ISP) gateway I get 0% packet loss, but something behind brings me 50%-60% packet loss. The card by default is 100baseT so I thought that could be the problem and decided to change it to 10baseT. I haven't noticed any such problem with my old 3Com card. Any Ideas? Do they do anything on the gateway that slows my connection? Best regards and thanks for the help, gregory -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:13:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from proxy1.addr.com (proxy1.addr.com [209.249.147.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A64437B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from CHUNKY4.addr.com (fwgw.addr.com [65.107.229.194]) by proxy1.addr.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) with ESMTP id fASMBpb21990; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mdjohnso@addr.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128151022.020c6ef0@localhost> X-Sender: mdjohnso@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:11:45 -0700 To: "Scott Robbins" From: Matt Johnson Subject: Re: Question regarding an error message Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01f001c17858$b5c84260$4b08a8c0@starlowin2k1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128135957.020a77a8@denver.den.addr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Scott, Thanks for the info. Ceri, from the list, had noted this to me shortly after I emailed the freebsd-questions and sure enough, it fixed my problem. Thanks guys! -Matt At 03:04 PM 11/28/2001, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Johnson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:07 PM >Subject: Question regarding an error message > > > > Hello, > > > > Can you please let me know to which list I should post regarding an error > > when re-building the kernel for FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE after a CVS today? For > > reference, the error was regarding the module in >/usr/src/sys/modules/linux. > > > > Thank you very much. > >Hi Matt >Weirdness in our sendmail prevents me from cc'ing bsd-questions, however, >this is a known problem. If you look in /usr/src/ UPDATING you'll see the >solution in the first or second section. > >Here it is > >20011110: > Some linux module changed, merged from current, require that you > clean out the old compile directory. If you are building with > MODULES_WITH_WORLD=yes, then you need to cd to src/sys/modules/linux > and run "make cleandir". If not, then you need to cd > src/sys/compile/$KERNCONF and do a make modules-clean. > > >The other way that works (at least for me and didn't cause problems) >was to remove or rename (Let's say your custom kernel name is MATT >rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MATT > >HTH >Scott Robbins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:18:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ralf.artlogix.com (sense-mcglk-240.oz.net [216.39.168.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE78A37B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by ralf.artlogix.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AAF321B9D0F; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: "Mike Meyer" , Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: Ken McGlothlen Date: 28 Nov 2001 14:18:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: <87d722leue.fsf@ralf.artlogix.com> Lines: 82 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Anthony Atkielski" writes: | I'm surprised that you think it requires demonstration. UNIX was designed to | service hundreds of users sitting in front of dumb terminals; it was not | designed to drive a single resource-intensive GUI on dedicated hardware for a | single user. UNIX architecture puts a huge emphasis on multiple, independent | users and processes, and very little emphasis on the kind of close | integration and hardware dependency that a complex GUI requires. These | characteristics make for an excellent timesharing system or server, but they | also make for a poor desktop environment. Unix has *often* been used for monolithic applications in single-user environments. Cray systems, for example, even after the advent of UNICOS, were often in a position of performing dedicated tasks. A GUI is nothing special. It uses the same processor instructions, the same memory, the same process structure as any other program. While UNIX does emphasize multiple independent processes, it has little to do with how a resource-intensive GUI needs. I admit that most of the widespread GUIs don't use this approach well (Windows in particular), but I'm typing on a Mac OS X system right now, and I gotta tell you, this makes a perfectly fine desktop system. As long as your software is written with lots of processes in mind, there's nothing stopping it from working well under Unix. In short, your argument is fallacious. | Windows is the other way around. It has virtually no concept of multiple | users and no provision for hardware independence. Processes and users are | not intended to work simultaneously on the same machine on completely | different tasks. As a result, it is very good for dedicated, single-user | desktop use, but very poor for timesharing use and mediocre for server use. This may be an accurate argument---though XP seems to be changing this a little, it's unclear that it's a clear step towards a multiuser direction yet. (I haven't used it at this writing.) | If you believe that UNIX is as good a desktop as Windows, then logically you | must also believe that Windows is as good a server as UNIX. I'm sorry, Anthony, but that argument is . . . well, stupid. ("If you believe that Sharon can pee standing up as she claims, then you must also believe that I am capable of being pregnant.") | An extension of this logic leads to the conclusion that the operating systems | are essentially identical--but that obviously is not the reality. If it were logic. Which it clearly isn't. Your argument is nonsensical. | Most operating systems can be stretched to fill all sorts of roles for which | they weren't intended. That doesn't make them good in such applications, nor | does it make them superior to purpose-built operating systems for those same | applications. Cart before the horse. Applications must cater to the operating systems they're designed to work on. Writing good GUI-type applications *is* more difficult under Unix, but not as impossible as you seem to think it is. Good libraries can solve that problem, as Mac OS X shows well. | It's interesting to see how hard people will try to prove or at least argue | that their pet operating systems are the best for all purposes, or even | adequate for all purposes. I've never seen an operating system that can do | it all, and I expect that I never will. Again, you seem to be confusing "operating system" with "applications written for an operating system." | Heavy desktop use requires NT and its descendants. (Such a religious statement. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.) "Heavy desktop use" is what? Tell me, Anthony. I use a Mac OS X system for most of my desktop applications. It all works. I could also use a FreeBSD system as much if more applications were ported to it, but as it is, my FreeBSD system also gets a lot of face time. Neither my Mac (thanks to OS X) or FreeBSD systems crash nearly as often as the NT box I used to own, or the WinMe box my parents now own (under light desktop use). | Windows 9x and the Mac are for occasional, non-critical desktop use, for | precisely the reasons you cite. You should be embarrassed at the rather random leaps of "logic" you're making here, Anthony. One is forced to wonder why you're using Unix at all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:24: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D50737B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from micron ([208.176.51.226]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id RAA09175; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:24:05 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Reply-To: From: "Raja Velu" To: Subject: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:16:55 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c1785a$646c6660$1b00a8c0@micronet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be bouncing back with the message: No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my regular externaly hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any clues, pl let me know. I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such utilities. TIA. Rgds, Raja To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:25:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E0237B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASMPJx00304; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:25:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <011501c1785b$911c42b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "doug" , References: Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:25:12 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Assuming one already uses FreeBSD (why else > subscribe to this list ;) there are advantages > to using it as a desktop. Obviously. My point was that, if you are choosing an OS for primarily desktop use, the best choice is Microsoft Windows. If you already have one machine and it is running FreeBSD for other purposes, it may be more economical to use it for desktop use as well, rather than buy a different machine and run Windows on it (and dropping FreeBSD to switch to Windows is very unlikely to be justifiable, unless you are making a major change in your computer use with almost total emphasis on the desktop). I really don't understand this preoccupation with desktops. Doesn't anyone run FreeBSD as a server, or is that simply not considered cool enough to please anyone anymore? > Since I am of the opinion that Windows will > eventually become as much of a closed software > environment as the Mac is for hardware ... The OS itself is already completely closed, since it is proprietary. The same is true for the Mac. However, Windows has always been more open to third-party software products, and I don't expect that to change, as it only benefits Microsoft (owner of the Windows OS). That is something that Apple just could never understand, it seems. > For the health of Open Source OSs in general > I would point out that there are (tens of??) > thousands more desktops than servers in the > world. If there is going to be an OS war it > will be won or lost there (IMO). I doubt that. A single mainframe is worth ten thousand desktops. We still have MVS with us. UNIX is the closest thing we have to an open-source mainframe OS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:26: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B1837B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-24-221-47-19.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.47.19] helo=sparky.suntreeaz.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169D9U-00037D-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:26:00 -0800 Received: from drs (drs.suntreeaz.com [192.168.254.19]) by sparky.suntreeaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASMPvo00834 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:25:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drs@suntreeaz.com) Message-ID: <003501c1785b$a7335200$13fea8c0@drs> From: "Don Sutter" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: mgetty for dialup service? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like to connect to my FreeBSD box and surf the internet from home. Is mgetty the best way to connect dialup Windows systems to the internet via my BSD system -and- does anyone know a good tutorial on the subject? Thanks Don Sutter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:28:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AFD37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-24-221-47-19.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.47.19] helo=sparky.suntreeaz.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169DBX-0007gJ-00; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:28:07 -0800 Received: from drs (drs.suntreeaz.com [192.168.254.19]) by sparky.suntreeaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASMS5o00842; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drs@suntreeaz.com) Message-ID: <003901c1785b$f3d71240$13fea8c0@drs> From: "Don Sutter" To: Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <000001c1785a$646c6660$1b00a8c0@micronet> Subject: Re: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:28:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What's in your /etc/mail/local-host-names file? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raja Velu" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients > > Hi, > > I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have > setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the > server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the > server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be > bouncing back with the message: > > No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. > > The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my > regular externaly hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I > have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any > clues, pl let me know. > > I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such > utilities. > > TIA. > > Rgds, > Raja > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:28:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9146237B41D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fASMSJm49641 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:28:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: doug X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Null (was, well, nothing actually) In-Reply-To: <02e201c17859$1697bcb0$a50410ac@olmct.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I can second that; as "postmaster" I am seeing 100s of these things. So far none seem to "attack" pine :) I am comment on the irony that two of the most active thread are "" and Email Etiquette on this list. On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Andre` Niel Cameron wrote: > Umm there not waves they are viruses... > Regards, > Andre` C. > Technical Support > =D4=BF=D4=AC > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:31:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4E637B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASMV8x00332; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:31:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <011801c1785c$60bbf6a0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: <000001c1785a$646c6660$1b00a8c0@micronet> Subject: Re: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:31:08 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's not a server problem. The message you are seeing means that Outlook cannot determine how to send out the message for the mailbox specified. It never even talks to your server because it can't figure out that it is supposed to be talking to an SMTP server. Note that POP has nothing to do with this; it is used only to retrieve mail. There are lots of different Outlook configuration errors that can cause this problem. Do a search in the Microsoft Knowledge Base on their Web site and you'll find quite a few articles listing possible causes and their resolutions. Also, if possible in your environment, Outlook Express is much easier to use with POP3/SMTP than the full-blown Outlook client. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raja Velu" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 23:16 Subject: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients > > Hi, > > I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have > setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the > server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the > server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be > bouncing back with the message: > > No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. > > The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my > regular externaly hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I > have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any > clues, pl let me know. > > I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such > utilities. > > TIA. > > Rgds, > Raja > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:33:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3DDC37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128223321.10265.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.193.147.188] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:21 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bsd Neophyte Subject: Re: I really really really need some help with this 'make' problem... PLEASE To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20011115003428.E66694@blossom.cjclark.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm sorry I keep pestering you about this... but did you ever get a hold of the output file I emailed you? -Sameer --- "Crist J. Clark" wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 05:36:19PM -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: > > > > --- "Crist J. Clark" wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 11:58:32PM -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: > > > You X11 install is messed up or incomplete. How did you install X? > Did > > > you install it from sysinstall(8) without checking the, > > > > > > [ ] prog Programmer's header and library files > > > > > > Box? You needed to if you want to build ports that depend on X. You > > > can either go back to sysinstall(8) or rebuild X in the ports. > > > > you're something else... I couldn't find the "prog" bit anywhere... > > If you chose a distribution that includes X, you'll end up at a window > that lets you pick parts of the X distribution. The 'prog' choice is > under on the 'Basic Componet' menu. As an example, start > /stand/sysinstall, pick 'Upgrade,' go past the "scary stuff," chose > "X-User," make your crypto choices, and you then get to the X > menu. Choose "Basic component menu," and there is the line I quoted > above. > > > so I > > reinstalled XFree86 3.3.6 from the ports... and then I tried > installing > > gtk12 and mozilla from the ports... AND IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > :)))))))) > > Good/ > > > only one problem though... after I reinstalled it from the ports... > well > > the windows manager seems to freeze on me. > > When you get back to the shell you ran the 'startx' from, are there > any error messages? Next time you run it, > > For a csh-type shell, > $ startx >& startx.out > For a sh-type shell, > $ startx > startx.out 2>&1 > > And send along the startx.out if there is anything useful in it. > > > i type "startx" and something happens... but the windows manager never > > seems to refresh... I had alot of terminal boxes but they're all > empty, > > w/o a cursor. > > > > when I ran the reinstall did I screw something up? > > I don't see why it would. But it is possible. The symptoms are strange > if the manager starts, but you do not get your shell prompts. > -- > Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu > | cjclark@jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB9537B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from micron ([208.176.51.226]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id RAA22376; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:36:56 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Reply-To: From: "Raja Velu" To: "'Don Sutter'" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:29:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c1785c$31370be0$1b00a8c0@micronet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <003901c1785b$f3d71240$13fea8c0@drs> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There's no such file in my setup. Do I need to include my domain name in there? Thanks. Raja -----Original Message----- From: Don Sutter [mailto:drs@suntreeaz.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:28 PM To: raja@micronetusa.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients What's in your /etc/mail/local-host-names file? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raja Velu" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients > > Hi, > > I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have > setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the > server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the > server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be > bouncing back with the message: > > No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. > > The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my > regular externaly hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I > have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any > clues, pl let me know. > > I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such > utilities. > > TIA. > > Rgds, > Raja > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:39: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04CA737B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:39:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128223859.30465.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.193.147.188] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:38:59 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: Bsd Neophyte Subject: script-kiddie trap? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some sort of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long sentance I know) The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would poke around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the person so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the ports? -Sameer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:49:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A4D37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fASMnUx00385; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <013a01c1785e$f206b7b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Bsd Neophyte" , References: <20011128223859.30465.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:25 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps you're thinking about "honeypots," real systems operated normally but closely monitored with the specific purpose of inviting attention from script kiddies and other dregs. There isn't anything special about the software they run; they are just very closely watched by the honeypot operators. But what would be the utility of such a system for you? They don't keep crackers out--quite the contrary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bsd Neophyte" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 23:38 Subject: script-kiddie trap? > > I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some sort > of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a > script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something > that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long sentance I > know) > > The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would poke > around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the person > so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. > > Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the > ports? > > -Sameer > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:50:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCDA37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASMpBN97826; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:51:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:51:11 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: Todd Reed Cc: Subject: Re: Kill popd shell Script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011128174842.W97804-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: This would put it in a shell variable: set variable=`ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5' Also, you could simply kill it right away with: kill `ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5' (Note that the ` is NOT an apostrophe - it is the symbol on the ~ key) Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 5:48PM up 17 days, 2:17, 1 user, load averages: 1.01, 1.00, 1.00 On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Todd Reed wrote: > I'm needing some help. I'm wanting to kill Popd before the system shutdowns > and I would like it to be automated like the httpd and mysqld. If I run the > command ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5, I get the PID. Is there any way to > get that varible into a shell script varible without having to write it to a > file then read from the file, then delete the file? Or am I going about > this the wrong way? > > --Todd > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:51:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com (roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com [66.66.72.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C43C37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by roc-66-66-72-6.rochester.rr.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E325901A03; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:41:55 -0500 From: mpd To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Message-ID: <20011128174155.A38325@rit.edu> References: <011501c1785b$911c42b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <011501c1785b$911c42b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:25:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:25:12PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > Assuming one already uses FreeBSD (why else > > subscribe to this list ;) there are advantages > > to using it as a desktop. > > Obviously. My point was that, if you are choosing an OS for primarily desktop > use, the best choice is Microsoft Windows. If you already have one machine and It's not the best choice for me, nor for several others who have already made that known. Please don't make blanket statements like this, especially on this list, where you're going to be looked at and treated as a troll. I personally have no use for the extra crap that so many windows users can't seem to live without. Others may, but that still doesn't qualify your statement, which is just an opinion. (and as a software engineer, I find that windows is one of the most piss-poor and developer-unfriendly systems around. That's my opinion.) > it is running FreeBSD for other purposes, it may be more economical to use it > for desktop use as well, rather than buy a different machine and run Windows on > it (and dropping FreeBSD to switch to Windows is very unlikely to be > justifiable, unless you are making a major change in your computer use with > almost total emphasis on the desktop). > > I really don't understand this preoccupation with desktops. Doesn't anyone run > FreeBSD as a server, or is that simply not considered cool enough to please > anyone anymore? Uh, lots of people do, but they don't feel like feeding the troll, I suppose. > > > Since I am of the opinion that Windows will > > eventually become as much of a closed software > > environment as the Mac is for hardware ... > > The OS itself is already completely closed, since it is proprietary. The same > is true for the Mac. However, Windows has always been more open to third-party > software products, and I don't expect that to change, as it only benefits > Microsoft (owner of the Windows OS). That is something that Apple just could > never understand, it seems. Windows isn't "more open," it's just more proliferated, so it benefits the software companies to release software for that platform. If I wrote windows when I was 10, but millions of people used it, software would still be released for it. mike -- ___________________________________________________________ "WITH A FEW SMALL MODIFICATIONS ANY CANOE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!!!" - Pokey the Penguin from "POKEY IN ANCIENT SCOTLAND" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:51:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA5E37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (hutch-1008.hutchtel.net [206.10.69.8]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0F91EE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:53:13 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 958B5385C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:23:52 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Matt Johnson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question regarding an error message Message-ID: <20011128152352.D550@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: Matt Johnson , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128135957.020a77a8@denver.den.addr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011128135957.020a77a8@denver.den.addr.com>; from mdjohnso@addr.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:07:23PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:07:23PM -0700, Matt Johnson wrote: > Hello, > > Can you please let me know to which list I should post regarding an error > when re-building the kernel for FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE after a CVS today? For > reference, the error was regarding the module in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. > > Thank you very much. > > -Matt You can post it to this list, but in this case this is a known issue. Remove your /usr/obj directory and rebuild. Should be fine then. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 14:59:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8FD37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASMxbN97853; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:59:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:59:37 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: Raja Velu Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients In-Reply-To: <000001c1785a$646c6660$1b00a8c0@micronet> Message-ID: <20011128175241.E97804-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First, make sure sendmail is actually enabled in your system by checking that the following line is in your /etc/rc.conf file. It will start upon reboot. sendmail_enable="YES" The reason I am suggesting something so simple is that Pine does NOT need sendmail enabled to send email; it calls it directly. As such, even though you can send e-mail from Pine, sendmail may very well not be running. Next, make sure the "SMTP server" value in outlook (in the configuration somwhere) actually points to your mail server. :-) Finally, read the following document to enable relaying from your subnet. In particular, read the section entitled "The Access Database" carefully. http://www.sendmail.org/tips/relaying.html That's all I can think of for now. Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 5:52PM up 17 days, 2:21, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Raja Velu wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have > setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the > server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the > server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be > bouncing back with the message: > > No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. > > The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my > regular externaly hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I > have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any > clues, pl let me know. > > I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such > utilities. > > TIA. > > Rgds, > Raja > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 15: 5:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 388B937B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:05:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011128230524.14004.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.193.147.188] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:05:24 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bsd Neophyte Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? To: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <013a01c1785e$f206b7b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't want to keep them out really. Someone's been trying to harass me. I am pretty sure I know who it is. This person doesn't really know much, but they are trying to get in by using some stupid scripts. The epitome of a push-button-hacker. I want to gather some evidence against them and submit it to their ISP. A honeypot is way to complicated for me. I really don't know enough about FreeBSD to be able to protect myself or catch them. --- Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Perhaps you're thinking about "honeypots," real systems operated > normally but > closely monitored with the specific purpose of inviting attention from > script > kiddies and other dregs. There isn't anything special about the > software they > run; they are just very closely watched by the honeypot operators. But > what > would be the utility of such a system for you? They don't keep crackers > out--quite the contrary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bsd Neophyte" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 23:38 > Subject: script-kiddie trap? > > > > > > I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some > sort > > of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a > > script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something > > that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long > sentance I > > know) > > > > The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would > poke > > around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the > person > > so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. > > > > Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the > > ports? > > > > -Sameer > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 15: 7:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from molly.intercom.net (molly.intercom.net [216.240.106.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403F537B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cross (hh1108173.direcpc.com [206.71.108.173]) by molly.intercom.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fASN7rm4019534; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012701c17861$3dfb6150$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Bsd Neophyte" , References: <20011128223859.30465.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> <013a01c1785e$f206b7b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:05:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Actually the software _can_ be special, as in logind, telnetd, sshd, tcsh, sh, etc having the source modified to do extreme logging, invisibly, as well as to trip alarm bells and the like. Anyways, here's a link (search google on hoenypoot, first hit) http://www.enteract.com/~lspitz/honeypot.html that lists commercial as well as homebrew honeypot solutions > Perhaps you're thinking about "honeypots," real systems operated normally but > closely monitored with the specific purpose of inviting attention from script > kiddies and other dregs. There isn't anything special about the software they > run; they are just very closely watched by the honeypot operators. But what > would be the utility of such a system for you? They don't keep crackers > out--quite the contrary. > > > The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would poke > > around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the person > > so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAVtylFb04N5DzUjEQIz9ACg7AGgIc1s5IzpQvuM0YCXWLUzhAkAnjQz skxKQlOPhpl6EMznKo/M4wWA =n5xT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 15:10:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from teak.adhesivemedia.com (teak.adhesivemedia.com [207.202.159.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC3237B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (philip@localhost) by teak.adhesivemedia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fASNA1s18122; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@adhesivemedia.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Hallstrom To: Bsd Neophyte Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? In-Reply-To: <20011128223859.30465.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011128150837.A16801-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I remember reading an article about some folks at AT&T Belllabs I think it was that did something like this... and used it to notify the admins of the hosts the guy hacked from... It was a cool article, but that's all I remember about it. I seem to remember running across it while reading about "jail" in FreeBSD. You might be able to do it with that... or at least keep your own box sane while you modify the sources for the jail... -philip On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Bsd Neophyte wrote: > > I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some sort > of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a > script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something > that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long sentance I > know) > > The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would poke > around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the person > so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. > > Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the > ports? > > -Sameer > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 15:14:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.swbanktx.com (mail2.swbanktx.com [63.89.83.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256C837B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from swbtexcn1.swbanktx.com (unverified) by mail2.swbanktx.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:09:36 -0600 Received: by swbtexcn1.swbanktx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:09:36 -0600 Message-ID: From: Ronald Clark To: 'Bsd Neophyte' , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: script-kiddie trap? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:09:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1782F.744EC580" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1782F.744EC580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sameer, Actually, there was a commercial software out made by NAI, and was a part of the Cybercop line. It did just as you state, created a virtual honey pot network and logged everything. I just checked their website, and I'm afraid, they stopped making this package. Is there a "free" software package that does something similar? Not that I am aware of. Most honey pots now are just some machine loaded up with a basic OS install and set out to see *when* it gets scanned, attacked, and compromised. Anyway, I hope this helps. If anyone can prove me wrong, please feel free to do so. Thanks, Ron Clark -----Original Message----- From: Bsd Neophyte [mailto:bsdneophyte@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:39 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: script-kiddie trap? I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some sort of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long sentance I know) The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would poke around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the person so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the ports? -Sameer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14582; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:14:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C056FD4.8@owt.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:14:28 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bsd Neophyte Cc: Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? References: <20011128230524.14004.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bsd Neophyte wrote: > I don't want to keep them out really. Someone's been trying to harass me. > I am pretty sure I know who it is. This person doesn't really know much, > but they are trying to get in by using some stupid scripts. The epitome > of a push-button-hacker. > > I want to gather some evidence against them and submit it to their ISP. > > A honeypot is way to complicated for me. I really don't know enough about > FreeBSD to be able to protect myself or catch them. If you use something like ipfw, you only need to turn on logging of port 21, 22, and what ever else they are trying. The ipfw (firewall) logs are good enough for most ISPs. I get a lot of double tries and I toss a coin, i.e., do I report them or not. I report all attempts with more than two tries. Kent > > --- Anthony Atkielski wrote: > >>Perhaps you're thinking about "honeypots," real systems operated >>normally but >>closely monitored with the specific purpose of inviting attention from >>script >>kiddies and other dregs. There isn't anything special about the >>software they >>run; they are just very closely watched by the honeypot operators. But >>what >>would be the utility of such a system for you? They don't keep crackers >>out--quite the contrary. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Bsd Neophyte" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 23:38 >>Subject: script-kiddie trap? >> >> >> >>>I remember something about a year or two ago. Someone designed some >>> >>sort >> >>>of application that acted as a psuedo-network that would trap a >>>script-kiddie by giving them "access" to the network through something >>>that would appear to be a hole caused by popular trojans. (long >>> >>sentance I >> >>>know) >>> >>>The false network was pretty convincing. While the intruder would >>> >>poke >> >>>around and cause mayhem, this tool would log everything about the >>> >>person >> >>>so that you could file a pretty convincing case against them. >>> >>>Is there anything like this that's free... better yet, included in the >>>ports? >>> >>>-Sameer >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >>>http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 >>> >>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >>> >>> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 15:44: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226A137B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from verizon.net ([199.171.52.20]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id RAA684092 Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:32:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:35:32 -0500 From: Simon Morton Reply-To: smorton@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,zh-CN,de-DE,zh-TW,zh, zh-õ` MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Mike Meyer , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Mike writes: > > >>You've said this before, but haven't done >>anything to demonstrate it. >> > > I'm surprised that you think it requires demonstration. UNIX was designed to > service hundreds of users sitting in front of dumb terminals; it was not > designed to drive a single resource-intensive GUI on dedicated hardware for a > single user. UNIX architecture puts a huge emphasis on multiple, independent > users and processes, and very little emphasis on the kind of close integration > and hardware dependency that a complex GUI requires. These characteristics make > for an excellent timesharing system or server, but they also make for a poor > desktop environment. Sorry but this is plain wrong. As someone who spent 4+ years developing highly graphical, highly interactive, and highly hardware-dependent single user applications for Unix-based (SGI) workstations, I can assure you that the above statements have very little basis in reality. There are many reasons that Windows is the dominant force on the desktop today but they have everything to do with marketing and economics and very little to do with operating system design. Simon -- http://www.SimonMorton.com smorton at acm dot org \rm -rf /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 16: 1:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0324537B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9BC2B697; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:01:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 903DA2E2; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:01:08 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:01:08 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Rick Hamell Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: procmail rule (was: Re: ) Message-ID: <20011129110108.H579@k7.mavetju.org> References: <200111282157.PAA6783064@mtapop1pub.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:07:31PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:07:31PM -0800, Rick Hamell wrote: > [NON-Text Body part not included] > What's with all these .wav files being sent to the list? They're viri. The easiest way to block them is the the fact that the From-email address starts with an underscore. So for procmail: # Stupid BadTrans virus :0: * ^From: .+ \<_.*\>$ /dev/null :0: * ^From: _.+ \(.+\)$ /dev/null Or you can block it in the MTA, I saw a funny 550 message yesterday: 550 Message not accepted, nobody is stupid enough to have a underscore as first character of their email address. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 16: 5:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD54537B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from micron ([208.176.51.226]) by renown.cnchost.com id TAA15101; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:05:00 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Reply-To: From: "Raja Velu" To: "'Marco Radzinschi'" , , Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:57:51 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c17868$7e74cbc0$1b00a8c0@micronet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20011128175241.E97804-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to Don, Anthony and Marco, I have resolved this problem now. Here's what I did: 1. Added the mail server's 'hostname' in the /etc/mail/local-host-names file. 2. Added the subnetwork address of the machine from where I was sending the email (192.168.0) in the /etc/mail/relay-domains file. Adding the domain in this file did not work as the specific error seemed to be "IP name lookup failed" - which I got to know when I used Outlook Express!!! Thanks again. Raja -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marco Radzinschi Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:00 PM To: Raja Velu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD sendmail server and POP clients First, make sure sendmail is actually enabled in your system by checking that the following line is in your /etc/rc.conf file. It will start upon reboot. sendmail_enable="YES" The reason I am suggesting something so simple is that Pine does NOT need sendmail enabled to send email; it calls it directly. As such, even though you can send e-mail from Pine, sendmail may very well not be running. Next, make sure the "SMTP server" value in outlook (in the configuration somwhere) actually points to your mail server. :-) Finally, read the following document to enable relaying from your subnet. In particular, read the section entitled "The Access Database" carefully. http://www.sendmail.org/tips/relaying.html That's all I can think of for now. Marco Radzinschi E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com AOL IM: CrackedBoy Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 5:52PM up 17 days, 2:21, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Raja Velu wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using a FreeBSD box as a 'test' mail server (running sendmail) and have > setup a POP server for clients like MS Outlook to download mail from the > server. The POP clients are all able to receive emails arriving at the > server. However, all the outgoing mails from the POP clients seem to be > bouncing back with the message: > > No transport provider was available for delivery to this recipient. > > The same Outlook client with similar configuration works fine with my > regular externally hosted mail server. So, I am trying to figure out what I > have goofed up in my mail/POP server configuration. If anybody has any > clues, pl let me know. > > I am able to send out emails directly from the server, using 'pine' and such > utilities. > > TIA. > > Rgds, > Raja > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 16:24:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A8837B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from aol.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNJDEY00.AWJ for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:30:34 +1000 Received: from 144.138.133.82 ([144.138.133.82]) 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Swearingen) Date: 28 Nov 2001 17:08:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011128210251.A444@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: <6yg06ys7ss.06y@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Mike Meyer said on Nov 28, 2001 at 13:05:10: > > > If people really want to read it, it's in the archives. > > But I don't want to fire up my web browser every time I read mail. > Especially if I'm downloading my mail over a modem and reading it > offline. You don't HAVE to fire up a web browser to read archives. Keep them on your own disk. For example, Gnus (comes with Xemacs) lets you keep archives for each of your mailing lists. You can set a max age for messages in a particular archive so it will delete old ones automatically. The archive is also nice for seeing a message in its proper place in a thread, so you can read what it was a response to. 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------000000000000000000000-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:15:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B257737B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from columbia ([12.93.211.29]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011129011535.XHNZ28078.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@columbia>; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:15:35 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Mike Meyer" Cc: Subject: RE: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c17872$98e47b40$6600000a@ach.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I really didn't want to get into this, as I've been trying to avoid adding to the noise side of the signal to noise ratio, but there's only so much of this that I an take. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony > Atkielski > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:37 PM > To: Mike Meyer > Cc: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) > > Mike writes: > > > You've said this before, but haven't done > > anything to demonstrate it. > > I'm surprised that you think it requires demonstration. Anthony, I'm glad you understand how to cut quoting down, but can you please leave some information to give some context? Is that too much to ask? > UNIX was > designed to > service hundreds of users sitting in front of dumb terminals; it was not > designed to drive a single resource-intensive GUI on dedicated > hardware for a > single user. So, both Sun Microsystems and Silicon Graphics (among others) were wrong to use a Unix-type OS for their high end GRAPHICAL workstations? I'm sure Scott (Mr. McNealy) is crying over that comment. > UNIX architecture puts a huge emphasis on multiple, > independent > users and processes, and very little emphasis on the kind of > close integration > and hardware dependency that a complex GUI requires. Multiple independent processes... the sort of thing that you'd want to be doing if you had multiple instances of a data analysis program running. Which makes it perfect for Unix. However, in order to make sense of the data that you get back from the analysis program, you're saying that you need to move it to a different platform? That doesn't make sense to me. > These > characteristics make > for an excellent timesharing system or server, but they also make > for a poor > desktop environment. Anthony, I realize that you're new here and we've been trying to help you with the problems you've had with your server, and I understand that you're coming from a closed-minded Microsoft point of view... but, until you have used and properly evaluated FreeBSD (or any other Unix, for that matter) in a desktop environment, I don't believe you have the right to say that it makes a poor desktop environment. Making assertions without examples, proof or fact to cite to back them up is not good. And on the side of making a good desktop environment, I've already mentioned Sun and SGI. If anyone's keeping score, that's 2-0. > Windows is the other way around. It has virtually no concept of > multiple users > and no provision for hardware independence. The lack of hardware independence is thanks to Microsoft. At one time, you could run Windows on everything from a Macintosh to the latest and greatest from Intel to the wicked fast Alpha from DEC. What happened? > Processes and users are not > intended to work simultaneously on the same machine on completely > different > tasks. As a result, it is very good for dedicated, single-user > desktop use, but > very poor for timesharing use and mediocre for server use. > > If you believe that UNIX is as good a desktop as Windows, then > logically you > must also believe that Windows is as good a server as UNIX. Your logic is flawed, yet again. Just because you equate A and B in reference to situation C does not mean that A equates to B in situation D. > An > extension of > this logic leads to the conclusion that the operating systems are > essentially > identical--but that obviously is not the reality. That is because the logic itself is flawed. See above. > > I've been making heavy desktop use of, and > > supporting users making heavy desktop use of, > > Unix since 1985. Nothing has happened during > > that time that in any way indicated that Unix > > is "incompatible with heavy desktopp use." > > Most operating systems can be stretched to fill all sorts of > roles for which > they weren't intended. Such as running a web server on VM/CMS... > That doesn't make them good in such > applications, nor > does it make them superior to purpose-built operating systems for > those same > applications. So, from what you're saying here is that you advocate one operating system for each type of application? That would be absurd. > It's interesting to see how hard people will try to prove or at > least argue that > their pet operating systems are the best for all purposes, or > even adequate for > all purposes. *looks around* I don't believe that ANYONE here has said that FreeBSD is the best for ALL purposes. If you've seen that quote, I'd appreciate you sending me a copy of the message or a URL to it. > I've never seen an operating system that can do it > all, and I > expect that I never will. True, but you've seen attempts at that very thing. Look at your Microsoft desktop. > > Quite to the contrary, every time someone has > > asked me to work on Win 9x or Macs - through the > > mid 90s - they crashed regularly under my > > normal usage patterns. That convinced me that, > > if anything, those operating systems aren't > > suitable for "heave desktop use". > > Heavy desktop use requires NT and its descendants. So, you bought all of the marketing spiel from Microsoft, didn't you? Windows 3.1 and 95 both could stand a good deal of, you call it heavy desktop use, I call it hammering. It's when you move into the 98 and further iterations of the 9x kernel that you run into problems. Of course, that may have something to do with short product cycles, seeing how Microsoft doesn't make money if they don't have something shiny and new to sell. > Windows 9x > and the Mac are > for occasional, non-critical desktop use, for precisely the > reasons you cite. Oh... and now you're a Macintosh maven? I could fill up your favorite pub (probably two to three times over) with people that would dispute your opinion that Mac is only useful for "occasional, non-critical desktop use". 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majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:41:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A248B37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085BABD20; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02920; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:41:24 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAT1cdQ11481; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? References: <20011128230524.14004.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C056FD4.8@owt.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 28 Nov 2001 17:38:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3C056FD4.8@owt.com> Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart writes: > ... The ipfw (firewall) logs are > good enough for most ISPs. I get a lot of double tries and I toss a > coin, i.e., do I report them or not. I report all attempts with more > than two tries. Nice to know. Thanks. I'd like to see an article which addressed those sort of issues. There's plenty on how to stop bad guys and how to detect them, but I've seen very little on how to punish them. Practical things. Just ISP? FBI? Local police? Always E-mail, or phone call? Probability of bad guy retaliating? Probability of having to go to court? What are common ISP/FBI/cop reactions to complaints? Many first-hand stories would be good. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:47:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49D437B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from prayforwind.com ([199.243.132.83]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011129014718.RZIF21717.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@prayforwind.com> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:47:18 -0500 Received: (from gtabug@localhost) by prayforwind.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAT1vAr00519 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:57:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gtabug) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:57:09 -0500 From: Steve Brown To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mutt(was stupid virus going around) Message-ID: <20011128205708.A504@prayforwind.com> References: <022901c17761$b431a510$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org>; from leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:33:23AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello there, On the subject of mutt: - how do I read saved mail? (other than cat'ing mbox) - how do I re-read mail I've accidently marked deleted(before quitting of course) Thanks, Steve On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:33:23AM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote: > On 11/28/01 02:28 AM, Christopher Farley sat at the `puter and typed: > > Louis LeBlanc (leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org) wrote: > > > > > Mutt allows you to use emacs, vi, or vim as your composer/viewer, in > > > addition to the no frills (even compared to vi) builtin composer. You > > > can even configure it to color certain text to indicate headers, > > > quotes, addresses, etc., just by tweaking a mail.vim config. > > > > While we're on the subject of editor/mail user agent interactions: > > What is it that causes all lines in the message body beginning with the > > word 'From' to be indented with a '>'?? > > > > I see an astonishing number of email messages like this, and I've never > > really spent the time to figure out whether it was mutt, vim, postfix, > > or procmail doing this. > > > > From from from > > > > ^^ This line was composed with no leading '>', but by the time it gets > > sent to the list, and sent back to my mailbox, it will contain one. > > Only in the response. '>' is a standard quote lead. I notice you're > using Mutt 1.2.5 (You might want to upgrade to the latest mutt-devel). > When your message comes back to you in the list, it should not be > indented, but notice my reply does indent your text. > > Read the Mutt docs for the following directives: > > set attribution="On %d, %n sat at the \`puter and typed:" > set indent_string="> " # how to quote replied text > > This is how I have these directives in my muttrc. It is possible to > change the indent string, but in general it just makes things more > difficult for others to read and decipher. For instance, some people > like to use the '|' char, but if they reply to a message in which a > regexp uses that character at a line wrap, it hoses the context. You > can set your attribution however you want, and the docs describe a > pretty good set of metachars that can be used to duplicate anything > from the date to the subject of the message being replied to (IIRC). > > HTH > Lou > -- > Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org > Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) > http://www.keyslapper.org Ô¿Ô¬ > > critic, n.: > A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries > to please him. > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:53:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (deborah.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9FF37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ss11232 (203-79-72-40.cable.paradise.net.nz [203.79.72.40]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778B0D1DEC; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:53:42 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Richard Shea" To: Matthew Graybosch Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:52:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Yay! A big steaming load of ASCII-turds! Reply-To: rshea@thecubagroup.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C064BB6.20873.E369335@localhost> In-reply-to: <200111282003.47571@starbreaker.net> References: <20011129004734.E44B537B419@hub.freebsd.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Did you have a question, or is this a new kind of spam? > I think it's the BADTRANS Outlook virus firing off stuff at the mailing list. Details at : http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.badtrans.b@mm.html (bearing in mind the the virus industry has an interest in talking these things up). There are (as usual) fixes to apply to Outlook/IE etc. The most effective one is to de-install Outlook. Sorry to go OT but whilst looking for a summary page regarding BADTRANS on the Microsoft site I came across > Microsoft announces the Strategic Technology Protection Program > (STPP). This two-phase program represents an unprecedented > mobilization of Microsoft's people and resources to integrate product, > services and support. > We will help you get secure right now. Here's how. > > If your business has been affected by a virus-related incident and you > need help, please call 1-866-PC SAFETY in the U.S. (Outside the U.S., > please contact your local Microsoft subsidiary.) > A bit like going back to the doctor who sawed the wrong leg off to have it stitched back on ? Have a nice day. richard shea. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Cuba Group PO Box 1864 Wellington New Zealand PH +64 4 496 5205 MO +64 21 296 6839 FX +64 4 496 5209 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:55:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E703037B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:55:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from prayforwind.com ([199.243.132.83]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011129015513.SDEL21717.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@prayforwind.com>; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:55:13 -0500 Received: (from gtabug@localhost) by prayforwind.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAT254k00555; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:05:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gtabug) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:05:04 -0500 From: Steve Brown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Linux-Netscape6.2 missing text on left 3 menus Message-ID: <20011128210504.A534@prayforwind.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I installed linux-netscape 6 from (updated) ports. First time it ran it complained about missing 2 library files (libX something) but I've not seen this message again unfortunately. The left 3 (file,edit,view I think) top-most menus appear to be missing but on a closer look the are there, but they're missing text. If I actually try to browse, it freezes and I must ctrl-alt-backspace out of X I'm using 4.4-release (i386). Anyone else had prob's with Netscape6.2? Or is mozilla better, should I just use it? Cheers, Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:57:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com (cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com [24.177.87.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D87137B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gsouther@localhost) by cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fAT1vjJ83766; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gsouther) From: Gary Southerly Message-Id: <200111290157.fAT1vjJ83766@cx933506-c.chnd1.az.home.com> Subject: Re: Intel Ethernet card. In-Reply-To: <20011128231202.A17296@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> To: Grzegorz Czaplinski Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:57:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL92 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you get no packet loss to your ISP, but 50-60% loss to sites on the other side of your ISP, I would guess that it is either your ISP or something in between your ISP and the sites you're trying to get to. Have you tried doing any traceroutes? Together pings and traceroutes can provide a lot more info, such as where the packet loss is occuring and possibly why. Also, how are you connected to your ISP, dsl? As for the configuring fxp0 in rc.conf, I appologise, I should have recommended adding another line like this: ifconfig_fxp0="media 10baseT/utp" I have verified that this works on my machines, I placed it immediately after the first ifconfig_fxp0 line. No problem, I enjoy it, Gary > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:58:24PM -0700, Gary Southerly wrote: > > You can use "/sbin/ifconfig" to change the settings. IE: > > ifconfig fxp0 media 10baseT/utp > > > I have just gave it a try. Setting manualy works like a charm. ;> > > > This would set it to 10Mb. I believe you could set it in the > > /etc/rc.conf file by adding "media 10baseT/UTP" in the line > > "ifconfig_fxp0=" to set it at boot time. > > for example: > > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 10baseT/UTP" > > This does not work. Dos not bring the interface up. > The reason I am asking the question is because I have an old > 3Com 509B ISA card. This card is 10baseT. Recently I got a new > Intel card. I recompiled my kernel with those options: > device miibus # MII bus support > device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) > After reboot the system brings the interface up, but it is slow. > When I ping the nearest (my ISP) gateway I get 0% packet loss, > but something behind brings me 50%-60% packet loss. > The card by default is 100baseT so I thought that could be the problem > and decided to change it to 10baseT. > I haven't noticed any such problem with my old 3Com card. > Any Ideas? Do they do anything on the gateway that slows my connection? > Best regards and thanks for the help, > gregory > -- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 17:58:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918437B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0788E2B697; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:58:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0539D80; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:58:26 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:58:25 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Steve Brown Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mutt(was stupid virus going around) Message-ID: <20011129125825.I579@k7.mavetju.org> Mail-Followup-To: Edwin Groothuis , Steve Brown , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15363.49761.411744.990323@guru.mired.org> <59350765.20011127112338@mindspring.com> <20011127191156.GD452@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <02b101c1776b$e72b38a0$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <15364.23207.328491.247555@guru.mired.org> <20011128070420.GB39649@nabokov.afc.vw.com> <20011128072412.GA20379@keyslapper.org> <20011128022805.A2150@northernbrewer.com> <20011128163322.GB29228@keyslapper.org> <20011128205708.A504@prayforwind.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128205708.A504@prayforwind.com>; from gtabug@prayforwind.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:57:09PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:57:09PM -0500, Steve Brown wrote: > On the subject of mutt: > - how do I read saved mail? (other than cat'ing mbox) Change to that mailbox: - in Mutt: c=filename - outside Mutt: mutt -f=filename > - how do I re-read mail I've accidently marked deleted(before quitting of course) Either jump to it (entering the message number) or use capital J and K to walk over the deleted messages.` Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:11:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net (hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF4937B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smui04.slb.mindspring.net (smui04.slb.mindspring.net [199.174.114.26]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12088 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: jayyness@mindspring.com Received: by smui04.slb.mindspring.net id VAA0000009480; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:11:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:11:09 -0500 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Not using Symbolic links correctly? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 63.228.157.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Trying to use a symbolic link to give access to ftp users that are outside of ftpchroot directory. Read the man page and freebsddiary.org and thought I followed the directions correctly, but something isn't working right. I have ftpusers ftpchroot'd to /ftp. I have my mp3s in a partition of their own /mp3. So I first tried (in the /ftp directory) ln -s /mp3 MP3s. which created a /ftp/MP3s -> /mp3 file. So on my Unix box, I cd MP3s and it drops me into the symbolic ./MP3s folder with my mp3 structure there... cool. But when I try it with an ftp client I get "550: MP3s: No such file or directory" Ok, so maybe it won't accept a file and I have to create a symbolic directory. So I try ln -s /mp3 /ftp/ShortCutToMP3s On the unix box I cd ./ShortCutToMP3s and everything seems to work appropriately. But again, with the ftp client, same error when I try to navigate to that directory. I have checked the permissions on the symlinks other=rx, also checked the permissions on the /mp3 directory o=rx. What am I missing? Oh, and when I try to remove ./ShortCutToMP3s I can't for some reason. root:/ftp>rm ShortcutToMP3s/ rm: ShortcutToMP3s/: is a directory root:/ftp>rmdir ShortcutToMP3s/ rmdir: ShortcutToMP3s/: Device busy Any help would be greatly appreciated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:19:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns33.tstt.net.tt (ns33.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC9D237B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 136934 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 02:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.221.90) by ns33.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 02:19:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3C059B41.1E899EBB@uwi.tt> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:19:45 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: [OT] NewsFeeds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am the net admin of a new college in the CAribbean here. Simple Q: What's the cheapest way to get in on a FULL news feed? IE is there any one out there that carries all the news groups that will let me pull their USENET with little or no cost? What are your recommendations? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:21:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from IMGate1.cshore.com (imgate1.cshore.com [63.237.136.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F78637B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dialup-uu-dynamic181.cshore.com [63.112.158.181]) by IMGate1.cshore.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1782D23FBA; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:46:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matthew Graybosch Reply-To: matthew@starbreaker.net Organization: starbreaker.net Message-Id: <200111282116.4424@starbreaker.net> To: rshea@thecubagroup.com Subject: (OT) BADTRANS and clueless Windows-using little brothers. Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:29:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20011129004734.E44B537B419@hub.freebsd.org> <3C064BB6.20873.E369335@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3C064BB6.20873.E369335@localhost> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 28 November 2001 20:52, you wrote: > Sorry to go OT but whilst looking for a summary page regarding > BADTRANS on the Microsoft site I came across... Oh, I read about that. And my clueless brother is on GAIM whining about how he got BADTRANS. First, I told him to get Norton AV and update it every week. Second, I told him to keep an eye on the Symantec site for warnings. Third, explicitly told him not to use Outlook or open mail with attachments. I even downloaded the free Eudora 5.1, installed it, and carefully walked my brother through using it. Yet he managed to ignore all my instructions and warnings. When I visit my folks this Christmas I'm bringing along my FBSD install media, wiping my brother's disk, and installing a real OS. Maybe the little shit will listen when I teach him to use Window Maker, Sylpheed, XMMS, Mozilla, and Konqueror. I don't need MS-related headaches from my luser brother; Xiombarg knows I deal with enough at work. Of course, Xiombarg also knows that Anthony Atkielski will see this and say that I shouldn't be expecting my brother to use BSD on the desktop. > > We will help you get secure right now. Here's how. Wanna get secure? Open a DOS prompt and type "FORMAT C:". Then install BSD. >^..^< - -- Matthew Graybosch http://www.starbreaker.net GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 "Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" PS: Yes, I worship Lady Xiombarg. She's just as fictional as Eris, but is dishier and has a bitchin' attitude. >^..^< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BZ1wcCiK1X1IhlkRAhBJAJ9yMLpNRw9qaaYUiI7U/fQ7Iq5/7wCfUo17 I85eE1hzckv8As99rH3vcFk= =QofH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:25:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from IMGate1.cshore.com (imgate1.cshore.com [63.237.136.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EC337B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dialup-uu-dynamic181.cshore.com [63.112.158.181]) by IMGate1.cshore.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C16723FDF; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:51:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matthew Graybosch Reply-To: matthew@starbreaker.net Organization: starbreaker.net Message-Id: <200111282129.56360@starbreaker.net> To: Steve Brown Subject: Re: Linux-Netscape6.2 missing text on left 3 menus Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:33:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20011128210504.A534@prayforwind.com> In-Reply-To: <20011128210504.A534@prayforwind.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 28 November 2001 21:05, you wrote: > Or is mozilla better, should I just use it? Netscrape 6.2 is based on the Mozilla 0.9.4.1 sources, IIRC. Mozilla's currently at 0.9.6, available in the latest ports (better cvsup), and works reasonably well. The XUL-based GUI still drags a bit if you're resizing the sidebar, but other than that I'm starting to like Mozilla. However, I've got cycles to burn since I'm running a 1GHz Athlon T-Bird with 512 megs of RAM. Your mileage may vary. 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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C178C0.8E7E7270-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:33: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from molly.intercom.net (molly.intercom.net [216.240.106.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF0537B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cross (hh1108173.direcpc.com [206.71.108.173]) by molly.intercom.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fAT2Xam4022198; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:33:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101c1787d$f9ae7650$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Dale Chulhan" , "FreeBSD Questions" References: <3C059B41.1E899EBB@uwi.tt> Subject: Re: [OT] NewsFeeds Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:31:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A Full News Feed uses multiple T1s worth of Bandwidth for starters, so you have to take that cost into consideration without even looking at paying for the feed. If you only have a T1 internet connection and buy a full feed from a larger provider, it will destroy your T1 24/7. If you have a T3, expect it to drain a good 3-6 T1s worth of bandwidth. It also requires 30gb-200gb of Hard Drive storage to even store a few days of news A full news feed itself runs about $600 or so a month (The providers bandwidth to the Internet is getting used up as well, sending to you). Generally people get the news feed from the Internet Provider they get the T1 from, as then the only bandwidth they are using is directly from them to you, and its your Quarter to use as you want. Outsourcing your users to a remote news feed is the way to go for small to mid sized folks in my honest opinion. Ive had great success with webusenet.com and their ispnews service. They charge $17.95 a month per port (Connection) so if youd think the max youd have or need is 100 users at a given time then youd need 100 ports at $1700 a month or 10 users then $170 a month. No matter what its expensive!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Chulhan" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: [OT] NewsFeeds > Hello, > > I am the net admin of a new college in the CAribbean here. > > Simple Q: What's the cheapest way to get in on a FULL news feed? IE is > there any one out there that carries all the news groups that will let > me pull their USENET with little or no cost? > > What are your recommendations? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAWeBFFb04N5DzUjEQLwOwCeN+anQnGBnDGSYDf9eT3x6tGHw6gAn3al ZGsqZB3Z+AN9eEzQCc8PjYGa =e+wq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:43:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.vagner.com (NS1.VAGNER.COM [204.120.36.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0809637B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.vagner.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAT2hKp36973 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:43:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from laptop (vsat-148-63-135-179.c2.sb4.mrt.starband.net [148.63.135.179]) by ns1.vagner.com (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id fAT2h8L36965 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:43:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) From: "george" To: Subject: cant delete directory Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:46:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to delete a directory but it keeps giving me errors see below gateway# chflags -R noschg SysV gateway# ll total 1 drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 SysV gateway# rm -rf SysV rm: SysV: Directory not empty gateway# ls -la SysV total 2 drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Aug 31 22:19 .. gateway# could it be corrupt or something? i been having hard disk problems lately with this partition. fsck output donnt show anything bad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 18:49:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1716337B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-008dcwashp125.dialsprint.net ([63.178.91.189] helo=moo.holy.cow) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169HGk-0004Of-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:49:46 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 445C350CEF; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:51:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:51:31 -0500 From: parv To: f-q Subject: how to use perl 5.005 & Pod::Text? Message-ID: <20011128215131.A74107@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: f-q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, does anybody know how to use Pod::Text module, and pod2text() function, w/ perl 5.005_03? its pod is not as helpful as that of Getopt::Long. i must mention that i had installed perl 5.6.1 from ports and last world was built w/o system perl. i can use Pod::Usage module and pod2usage() function, as stated, just fine w/ perl 5.6.1. it's just that i want to create a port out of a perl program and quite confident that not everybody has perl 5.6.1 installed or would want to install just to use this program. i could use system() call to pod2text() or pod2man() but would prefer to use the module if possible. Pod/Text.pm appears in /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 and it's in @INC. below are the content of @INC for perl 5.005_03... /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 any suggestions welcome. thanks. - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:10:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89AE37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-008dcwashp125.dialsprint.net ([63.178.91.189] helo=moo.holy.cow) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169Hax-0006nx-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:10:39 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DA8850CEF; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:12:24 -0500 From: parv To: f-q Subject: Re: how to use perl 5.005 & Pod::Text? Message-ID: <20011128221224.A75041@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: f-q References: <20011128215131.A74107@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011128215131.A74107@moo.holy.cow>; from parv_@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:51:31PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in message <20011128215131.A74107@moo.holy.cow>, wrote parv thusly... > > hi, > > does anybody know how to use Pod::Text module, and pod2text() > function, w/ perl 5.005_03? its pod is not as helpful as that of > Getopt::Long. ... > Pod/Text.pm appears in /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 and it's in > @INC. below are the content of @INC for perl 5.005_03... > > /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach > /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 also, i must add that Pod::Text referrers to Pod::Parser for details, but Pod/Parser.pm isn't in any of the above directories listed. is/was it "fixed" in -stable or not? my world, 4.4-stable, was built w/ sources as current (not to be confused w/ freebsd-current) as 2001.09.22.08.52.49. - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:33:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hq.newdream.net (mail.hq.newdream.net [216.246.35.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D08D37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from zugzug.hq.newdream.net (zugzug.hq.newdream.net [127.0.0.1]) by ravscan.zugzug.hq.newdream.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D689F3B398 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.hq.newdream.net (Postfix, from userid 1012) id A18BE3B397; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:41 -0800 From: Dairy Wall Limey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: soft-updates Message-ID: <20011128193341.A8875@hq.newdream.net> Mail-Followup-To: Dairy Wall Limey , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: New Dream Network Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm running freebsd 4.4 stable on two i386 boxes (my home and work workstations). i setup soft updates on the /usr and /var partitions on both, but while typing 'mount' shows the 'soft-updates' option, it doesn't show syncronous vs asyncronous writes. is this normal? i haven't really noticed an appreciable difference in performance when doing stuff with heavy disk io either. aura# mount /dev/ad1s1a on / (ufs, local) /dev/ad1s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad1s1e on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) procfs on /proc (procfs, local) am i doing something wrong? i followed the instructions on a couple of sites online such as: http://info.unix-fu.org/FreeBSD/Soft-Updates-(mini)HOWTO - shut down machine, booted single user, did: tunefs -n /partition on all the partitions i wanted soft-updates for, and then rebooted. please cc me on reply (Mail-Followup-To should be set correctly), as i'm not on the list anymore. aura# strings /sbin/mount |grep FreeBSD |grep mount $FreeBSD: src/sbin/mount/mount.c,v 1.39.2.3 2001/08/01 08:26:23 obrien Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sbin/mount/mount_ufs.c,v 1.16.2.3 2001/08/01 08:27:29 obrien Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sbin/mount/getmntopts.c,v 1.9 1999/10/09 11:54:06 phk Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sbin/mount/vfslist.c,v 1.4 1999/08/28 00:13:27 peter Exp $ -william yardley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:34: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62B437B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT3Xkx01538; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:33:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <014f01c17886$a7d59df0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "mpd" , References: <011501c1785b$911c42b0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011128174155.A38325@rit.edu> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:33:46 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike writes: > It's not the best choice for me, nor for several > others who have already made that known. Perhaps not, but I was not addressing you and your circle of acquaintances exclusively. And overall, it _is_ the best choice. It surprises me that anyone contests the obvious. > Please don't make blanket statements like this, > especially on this list, where you're going to be > looked at and treated as a troll. Only by those with a religious devotion to a different operating system. I'm sure there are plenty of ordinary, professional IT folk here, too, who do not possess religious beliefs in one software product or computer system over another and thus do not feel inclined to leap irrationally to their defense at every perceived aspersion cast upon their faith. > I personally have no use for the extra crap that > so many windows users can't seem to live without. That's true of most users, but that is not what makes Windows attractive. The availability of 100,000 different applications for the platform in itself justifies Windows. So does its near-total dedication to the desktop environment. So does its compatibility (most other people use Windows, so Windows applications are the most compatible with what most other people are using). There are many reasons. > Others may, but that still doesn't qualify > your statement, which is just an opinion. My opinion seems to correlate well with the market figures, and that is not surprising, since the market figures are in part what drives my opinion. > ... and as a software engineer, I find that windows > is one of the most piss-poor and developer-unfriendly > systems around. As a software engineer, then, you should also know that systems that are the most friendly to users tend to be the most unfriendly to software engineers, and vice versa. I tend to agree that Windows is a nightmare to program for. But that has no influence on its utility for the average user, since the average user is not programming for his own system. > Uh, lots of people do, but they don't feel like > feeding the troll, I suppose. Or they lack religious devotion to the OS. After all, people running FreeBSD on servers are using the OS for what it does best, and absent a special affection for it above and beyond that, they probably will not run it on the desktop (unless it is more economical to do so, as in certain cases of a single machine). > Windows isn't "more open," it's just more proliferated ... No, it is more open as well. _Anyone_ can write programs for Windows, and this has always been true. It has not been true in the past for Apple, and I suspect it is still not true now. Apple is a good example of what happens when religious faith is given priority over practical considerations. Microsoft is a good example of what happens when practical considerations are given priority over religious faith. As proof, note that the most important application on the Mac is Microsoft Office. > ... so it benefits the software companies to release > software for that platform. It's the other way around: Software companies decided to write for Windows (because it was a very inexpensive and open operating system, compared to the Mac), and so more people bought Windows. Eventually a synergistic effect develops, leading to a dominant market position, and this can happen entirely independently of the vendor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:35:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD1D37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT3ZUx01555; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:35:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <015401c17886$e56e33c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Bsd Neophyte" , References: <20011128230524.14004.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:35:30 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A honeypot would be the same as you have now; the only distinction is that you allow kiddies to penetrate a honeypot system, whereas you take action to exclude them or prosecute them in a non-honeypot system. As a general rule, though, virtually nothing can be done about script kiddies. They are usually underage, and thus completely immune to prosecution, in the United States. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bsd Neophyte" To: "Anthony Atkielski" ; Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 00:05 Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? > > I don't want to keep them out really. Someone's been trying to harass me. > I am pretty sure I know who it is. This person doesn't really know much, > but they are trying to get in by using some stupid scripts. The epitome > of a push-button-hacker. > > I want to gather some evidence against them and submit it to their ISP. > > A honeypot is way to complicated for me. I really don't know enough about > FreeBSD to be able to protect myself or catch them. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:48: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from y3k.shacknet.nu (morr0652.gti.net [208.216.122.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B6E37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from shacknet.nu (localhost.gti.net [127.0.0.1]) by y3k.shacknet.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAT3t0Y30379 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from y3k@gti.net) Received: from 208.216.122.52 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mark) by y3k.shacknet.nu with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) From: "Mark Yeck" To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've been making heavy desktop use of, and supporting users making > heavy desktop use of, Unix since 1985. Nothing has happened during that > time that in any way indicated that Unix is "incompatible with heavy > desktopp use." > > Quite to the contrary, every time someone has asked me to work on Win > 9x or Macs - through the mid 90s - they crashed regularly under my > normal usage patterns. That convinced me that, if anything, those > operating systems aren't suitable for "heave desktop use". > > In other words, I've got over 15 years of experience in direct > contradiction to your statement. I'd like to hear what evidence you > have to back it up. My experience is pretty much the same. I started using UNIX (Ultrix) in the early nineties with Motif and ATK window managers, several years before my first experience with any MS operating system. I've never found a situation where Windows has made a better desktop than whatever UNIX and window manager I'm running at the time (currently FreeBSD with Blackbox). I use Win98, NT, and Win2k for work and I'm continually irritated by small things, like random access of my empty floppy drive, random redraws of the desktop, the Start menu closing while I'm trying to use it, installing a program as one user and not being able to find it or use it as another user, and the hell of coping with the registry. My experience with UNIX on the desktop hasnt been totally bug free, but I find it quite a bit less annoying. Every advantage I've seen with Microsoft is directly related to its overwhelming domination of whatever market its in. My mother, for example, may be better off using Windows on her desktop, not for any technical reason, because if she has a problem she can ask almost anyone who uses computers about it. Nearly anyone who's used a computer has used windows and the advantage of not having to learn a new operating system may seem to outweigh any technical advantage of UNIX (or MacOS). Microsoft Word isnt a horrible piece of software, but it's only major advantage that I can see is that someone can write a document in it and send it to nearly anyone and expect that they will be able to open it with little effort. Anyway, that's my thoughts on the whole thing. -mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 19:51:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B6137B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT3pXx01596; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:51:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <016e01c17889$23dfd990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: "Mike Meyer" , References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:51:33 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon writes: > As someone who spent 4+ years developing > highly graphical, highly interactive, and highly > hardware-dependent single user applications > for Unix-based (SGI) workstations, I can > assure you that the above statements > have very little basis in reality. As someone who has worked with mainframes and timesharing systems for years, I can assure you that it is right. Perhaps you can explain the utility of a multiuser environment for a single-user desktop graphics workstation. > There are many reasons that Windows is the > dominant force on the desktop today but they > have everything to do with marketing and > economics and very little to do with operating > system design. That is a common misconception, held dear and defended by those with axes to grind or religions to defend. Microsoft wanted the desktop GUI market and went after it. Most UNIX vendors did not. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20: 8:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web11805.mail.yahoo.com (web11805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABAB437B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:08:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011129040808.97029.qmail@web11805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.145.114] by web11805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:08:08 PST Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: X Philius Reply-To: xphilius@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Problem with buildworld RELENG_4_4 on a RELENG_4_1_1 system To: Kent Stewart , adi@living-source.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3BFE94C8.2030903@owt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adi, Ruslav helped me out with this last month. If you are determined to stick as close as possible to 4.4 Release (as opposed to tracking RELENG_4, I have a simple solution for you. Here is a reply from Ruslav with the list of files to add to the 4.4 Release source tree to make a backport that will work on 4.1.1. I did this and it worked fine. I even cheated and just used the web CVS interface to gather the 7 files ;-) Jason > > Yes, 4.1R -> 4.4R upgrade path was broken. This has been > > fixed later, and 4.1R -> 4.4-STABLE upgrade path is possible. > > > Unfortunately, we can't backport the fixes to already > > released (sticky) version (4.4-RELEASE). > > I have read through UPDATING for 4.4 Release, and I do not see > any obvious solution. I have just upgraded my dev server to 4.4 > Stable with no problems, but I think I'd rather be cautious and > keep my prod server on 4.4 Release and then track the security > updates. > UPDATING for 4.4-R is "sticky". Again, we just can't merge fixes to already released versions. If you want 4.4-RELEASE, you'll have to backport the fix yourself. These are the relevant commits: : ru 2001/09/24 08:45:00 PDT : : Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) : . Makefile.inc1 : usr.bin/xinstall Makefile : usr.sbin/mtree Makefile : share/mk bsd.lib.mk bsd.prog.mk : gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld Makefile : Log: : MFC: Bootstrapping fixes. : : This unbreaks source upgrades from 4.2-RELEASE. : : Revision Changes Path : 1.141.2.33 +6 -6 src/Makefile.inc1 : 1.8.2.5 +9 -2 src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/Makefile : 1.91.2.4 +2 -2 src/share/mk/bsd.lib.mk : 1.86.2.5 +2 -2 src/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk : 1.11.2.4 +7 -1 src/usr.bin/xinstall/Makefile : 1.15.2.5 +10 -7 src/usr.sbin/mtree/Makefile and : ru 2001/09/26 23:35:47 PDT : : Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) : gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libiberty Makefile : Log: : MFC: 1.9 -> 1.12: Fix the upgrade path from 4.1-RELEASE. : : Revision Changes Path : 1.3.2.4 +4 -1 src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libiberty/Makefile --- Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Adi Sieker wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:25:16 +0100, Adi Sieker > > > wrote: > > > > [buildworld problems snipped] > > > > Seems like I have found the problem. > > I found a message on this list (before I subscribed) from Kris > > Kennaway, that says source upgrades from 4.1 to 4.3 are known tobe > > broken. Looks like source upgrades from 4.1.1 to 4.4 are broken > aswell > > > But to RELENG_4 are supposed to be fixed now. Just don't upgrade to > 4.4-release. > > Kent > > > > > > Regards > > Adi > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > . > > > > > > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:12: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.radzinschi.com (cc222717-a.owml1.md.home.com [65.8.33.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66D37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marco@localhost.radzinschi.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.radzinschi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAT4Cnp98748 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:12:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marco@radzinschi.com) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:12:49 -0500 (EST) From: Marco Radzinschi To: Subject: Re: MS-Word (Was: Feeding the Troll) In-Reply-To: <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Message-ID: <20011128225654.Q98706-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Mark Yeck wrote: [snip!] > Microsoft Word isnt a > horrible piece of software, but it's only major advantage that I can see is > that someone can write a document in it and send it to nearly anyone and > expect that they will be able to open it with little effort. Microsoft Word is a pathetic excuse for a word processor. There are still things that cannot be done in Word that could be done in Word Perfect for DOS! Yes, that's right - DOS. For example, Word Perfect has had a very powerful and very useful "reveal codes" function since before it had a GUI interface. Microsoft Word has yet to implement this function, which makes Word inadequate for writing anything but documents requiring the bare minimum of formatting. This is why most law firms use Word Perfect instead of MS-Word, even though Word is more widely used. Microsoft has added something which they call reveal code, but it is not in any way what Word Perfect has. Word lets you view, but not edit, a single formatting code. Word Perfect lets you view, alter, or insert any and all formatting codes. Although I know how to use Word from the computer labs at school, I have never written anything longer than five pages on it, and that was simply because the labs didn't carry Word Perfect. Sorry, but I just could not resist. Even though I know that this was certainly not Mark's main point, Microsoft Word is indeed a horrible piece of software. :-) - Marco Radzinschi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:13:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4941637B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED3B2B697; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:13:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6CCD62E2; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:13:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:13:36 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: george Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant delete directory Message-ID: <20011129151336.J579@k7.mavetju.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from george@vagner.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:46:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:46:57PM -0800, george wrote: > I am trying to delete a directory but it keeps giving me errors > > see below > > gateway# chflags -R noschg SysV > gateway# ll > total 1 > drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 SysV > gateway# rm -rf SysV > rm: SysV: Directory not empty maybe it's a mount-point? Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:15:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5034D37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16624 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 04:15:43 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 04:15:43 -0000 Received: from LUCKYVAIO (adsl-208-201-241-212.sonic.net [208.201.241.212]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id fAT4Fhx23166 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:15:43 -0800 X-envelope-info: From: "Lucky Green" To: Subject: Status of IPV6/4 tunnels + IPSec? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:15:33 -0800 Organization: Cypherpunks Jihad Message-ID: <001501c1788c$7d56a730$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The gif(4) manpage as well as the various mailing list archives all seem to indicate that it is difficult and/or impossible to tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 with the IPv4 link being secured using IPSec. According to the KAME archives, the double layer of tunneling leads to problems, though details have been sparse. Has anybody here tried to tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 with IPSec? If so, what problems did you run into and did you find a workaround? Thanks in advance, --Lucky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:16:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6DA37B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT4Fux01662; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:15:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <017f01c1788c$8cb71d90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Andrew C. Hornback" , "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <004801c17872$98e47b40$6600000a@ach.domain> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:15:56 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew writes: > So, both Sun Microsystems and Silicon Graphics > (among others) were wrong to use a Unix-type OS > for their high end GRAPHICAL workstations? In what sense? It was certainly a poor technical decision. However, writing a new operating system costs money, and so does buying a new operating system from someone else. UNIX was at hand and about as close to open source and free as one could get. That is also why Apple chose UNIX as a basis for Mac OS X. They couldn't afford to write something new, so they reused as much as they could, even though this is not necessarily a good idea from a technical standpoint. Microsoft did the same with Windows 3.x and (to a limited extent) Windows 95. Windows NT had elements of OS/2 architecture in it as well. Writing a new operating system costs billions of dollars; even Microsoft cannot afford to do that. > I'm sure Scott (Mr. McNealy) is crying over that > comment. It's possible to make lots of money with technically less-than-ideal products. Sun and SGI weren't selling graphics workstations on the basis of the underlying OS. > Multiple independent processes... the sort of > thing that you'd want to be doing if you had > multiple instances of a data analysis program > running. No. For data analysis, you need programs that communicate extensively, not completely independent processes. > Which makes it perfect for Unix. See above. UNIX (and most other operating systems) lack the close communication between processes that would be optimal for this type of application. > ... I understand that you're coming from a closed= > minded Microsoft point of view... No. I come from a non-religious point of view, and when one is not encumbered by religious faith in a particular platform or operating system, one tends to see advantages and disadvantages of each system more clearly. I do not worship a FreeBSD god (nor a Windows god), so I do not feel frightened by the idea of running two completely different operating systems for two entirely different purposes. I choose the tool that fits the job. > ... but, until you have used and properly evaluated > FreeBSD (or any other Unix, for that matter) in > a desktop environment, I don't believe you have > the right to say that it makes a poor desktop environment. I knew within a few days of installing FreeBSD that it was suboptimal as a desktop (at best). You know, in Windows discussion groups, there are people arguing irrationally in favor of Windows as a server. The names change, but the religious fervor is the same. > Making assertions without examples, proof or fact > to cite to back them up is not good. I've explained my reasoning in considerable detail. To those for whom IT is not a religion, my explanations are cogent. For the true believers, no "proof" is ever adequate to sway them from the Path. > The lack of hardware independence is thanks to > Microsoft. No. The lack of hardware independence is a consequence of the need to support high-performance, hardware-intensive applications like games. Indeed, recent versions of the NT/2000 architecture have actually moved _more_ towards hardware dependence specifically for this reason. That's what the desktop market wants. Playing games, for example, requires very tight integration of OS and hardware, and a significant part of the Windows desktop market just wants to play games. > At one time, you could run Windows on everything > from a Macintosh to the latest and greatest > from Intel to the wicked fast Alpha from DEC. There was essentially no demand for Windows on platforms other than Intel, and continuing demand for support of applications that required the integration of which I speak above additionally drove Intel-only development. Nobody was buying MIPS machines, and almost no one was buying Alpha machines. Demand for PowerPC support was pretty much nonexistent, as I recall. > Such as running a web server on VM/CMS... Yes. Or running Novell on the desktop. Just about every bizarre permutation has been tried, rest assured. > So, from what you're saying here is that you > advocate one operating system for each type of > application? That would be absurd. What's absurd about it? In fact, that's exactly how real-world implementations have typically done it, in the absence of political reasons for forcing one "solution" to fit all environments. Many organizations use Windows on desktops but UNIX on servers. > I don't believe that ANYONE here has said that > FreeBSD is the best for ALL purposes. It's pretty obvious here that many people will do anything to avoid admitting that Windows is the better choice for a desktop. As I've said, on other groups you can watch true believers of other religions making the same desperate attempts to "prove" that Windows makes the best Web servers, or that Macs make great routers and firewalls. > True, but you've seen attempts at that very > thing. Look at your Microsoft desktop. NT tries to be a server, and succeeds better than most, but it does not compare with UNIX. It does make a superb desktop, however. You see, Microsoft doesn't want to abandon the Windows religion, either, so it tries to bend Windows to make it fit a server environment. But Windows will never be ideal for that environment--the architecture of Windows fundamentally works against it. > So, you bought all of the marketing spiel > from Microsoft, didn't you? No, I used their operating systems, and I discovered that the NT/2000 architecture is the most robust by far. > Windows 3.1 and 95 both could stand a good deal > of, you call it heavy desktop use, I call it > hammering. With stable applications, yes. With poorly-written applications (the norm in PC-land, alas!), they do not stand up very well. Poorly-written applications are best run on NT, if possible, because NT will not crash when they do. > It's when you move into the 98 and further > iterations of the 9x kernel that you run into > problems. I'm not aware of any increase in instability in later versions of Windows 9x; in fact, all reports I've heard say quite the opposite. > Of course, that may have something to do with short > product cycles, seeing how Microsoft doesn't make > money if they don't have something shiny and new to > sell. This is true of all commercial software vendors. Look at the commercialized versions of Apache, or the "distributions" of Linux. > Oh... and now you're a Macintosh maven? I've used them as well, although not extensively and not recently. The Mac OS has never changed, though, unlike Windows (Mac OS X is the first significant change, from what I understand). > I could fill up your favorite pub (probably two to > three times over) with people that would dispute your > opinion that Mac is only useful for "occasional, > non-critical desktop use". Are you sure they wouldn't rather meet in a church? That's where worship is usually conducted. > Anthony, is there anything about computers that > you're not a leading figure with regards to? I don't have much experience with real-time systems, and I've never been heavily into database management systems (by choice). I'm also stronger on central systems than on networking. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:19:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E00E37B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT4JTx01682; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:19:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mark Yeck" , References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:19:28 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark writes: > Every advantage I've seen with Microsoft is > directly related to its overwhelming domination > of whatever market its in. The obvious question, then, is: How did Microsoft ever come to dominate any market, if its dominance depends on already being dominant? > My mother, for example, may be better off using > Windows on her desktop, not for any technical > reason, because if she has a problem she can ask > almost anyone who uses computers about it. At least 99.9% of desktop users are just like your mother. That's one argument in favor of Windows. > Nearly anyone who's used a computer has used > windows and the advantage of not having to learn > a new operating system may seem to outweigh > any technical advantage of UNIX (or MacOS). That's two. > Microsoft Word isnt a horrible piece of software, > but it's only major advantage that I can see is > that someone can write a document in it and send > it to nearly anyone and expect that they will be > able to open it with little effort. That's three. For someone who seems to doubt the superiority of Windows on the desktop, you certainly are arguing persuasively in its favor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:22:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB9237B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool1002.cvx14-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.41.237] helo=there) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169IiY-0003MV-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:22:34 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: weygold1@paganlibrary.com Organization: The Pagan Library To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? - Mac OS X Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:22:31 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <006201c17815$d8960040$fd6e34c6@mlevy> <200111281417.fASEHF903979@zaphod.euronet.nl> In-Reply-To: <200111281417.fASEHF903979@zaphod.euronet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Early next year - iBook here I come. Check out Apple's Mac OS X download=20 section, almost the entire FreeBSD ports tree is represented. > On Wednesday 28 November 2001 15:06, Bara Zani wrote: > > Ok , I am not starting a flame/holy war here !!! > > this is purely out of curiosity , so a reasonable answer is required > > please , if you feel this is bul... than > > I apologize and ask you to ignore . > > for the sake of others please respond to my email address and not the > > list and I will summarize . > > and now for the question : > > I use both Linux and freebsd as servers and am happy with it ( I'd ta= ke > > nix over m$ any day ) . > > I work for a primarily nt shop now and of course sometimes the nix vs= =2E nt > > question arises . > > I figured that I'm all talk cause I use freebsd for servers but win2k= as > > my desktop . > > so I decided to install freebsd and use it as my desktop client > > now here is where I need your help : > > I use my desktop for - email , web , mp3 and downloads ... > > as for email - I figured I can use fetchmail for multiple accounts an= d > > pine to read/sort in folders - but what happens with attachments ? > > as for web - I have tried in vain to enable the java plugin on mozill= a > > can someone help with that ? > > as for mp3 - what do I use ? I know xmms for Linux but for fbsd ? > > as for other stuff - image viewers ( xv ? ) video files ( mpg, divx ,= avi > > ) also can I use star office with freebsd ? > > any other personal experience for using freebsd as a desktop and serv= er > > are welcomed . > > please email me and not the list and I will summarize , > > thanks > > barazani > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message --=20 When Cthulhu calls, he calls collect. Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold http://www.paganlibrary.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:23:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from IMGate1.cshore.com (imgate1.cshore.com [63.237.136.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5037B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:23:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dialup-uu-dynamic181.cshore.com [63.112.158.181]) by IMGate1.cshore.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E546523F1C; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:48:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matthew Graybosch Reply-To: matthew@starbreaker.net Organization: starbreaker.net Message-Id: <200111282247.42677@starbreaker.net> To: "Anthony Atkielski" Subject: As usual, I disagree. Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:30:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20011128174155.A38325@rit.edu> <014f01c17886$a7d59df0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> In-Reply-To: <014f01c17886$a7d59df0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 28 November 2001 22:33, you wrote: > Mike writes: > > It's not the best choice for me, nor for several > > others who have already made that known. > > Perhaps not, but I was not addressing you and your circle of > acquaintances exclusively. And overall, it _is_ the best choice. > It surprises me that anyone contests the obvious. Sounds like you're begging the question. Not to mention arguing from popularity instead of the technical merits of Windows. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's right or good. Windows may well be the *worst* choice from a usability standpoint, IMHO. Any script kiddie with a rudimentary knowledge of VB can write worms and Trojans that can cause serious damage to a Windows machine should the user let down her guard for even a moment. Windows insists on abstracting everything from the user, so that the user is mostly insulated from the consequences of her actions. If I need to get under the hood for any reason, even to indulge my curiosity, then I have to get past all the bondage and discipline built into Windows. Windows is sloppily coded, and wastes the potential of just about every computer it touches. Among other things, Windows insists on using the swapfile as much as possible, instead of real memory, which needlessly wastes disk space and causes utterly unnecessary disk I/O should I actually try to push the computer. Installing or removing even the most trivial applications requires proprietary automated tools like InstallShield because of the Registry, a beast nasty enough to make Great Cthulhu look as cuddly as a kitten in a basket. Quite frankly, dealing with Windows on a home desktop, or even a work desktop, is more aggravation than most of us get paid for. > Only by those with a religious devotion to a different operating > system. I'm sure there are plenty of ordinary, professional IT > folk here, too, who do not possess religious beliefs in one > software product or computer system over another and thus do not > feel inclined to leap irrationally to their defense at every > perceived aspersion cast upon their faith. Frankly, it sounds like you're religiously devoted to Windows on the desktop. Which is fine; you're welcome to your opinion. However, as Ayn Rand writes: "Judge, and expect to be judged." When I argue that FreeBSD is better for desktop use than Windows, I argue from roughly five years of self-taught experience. I've used MS-DOS, PC-DOS, Windows 3.1, 9x, NT4, and 2K. I've used several Linux distributions: Red Hat 6.1, SuSE 6.3 - 7.1, Mandrake 8, Slackware 2, and Debian 2.2. I have tried to use each of these systems on the desktop, and with each I have had to keep a bottle of generic acetominophen by my keyboard; each system induced at least one headache a week. I've been using FreeBSD since the end of September, on a desktop, and I haven't had to use the painkillers yet. > That's true of most users, but that is not what makes Windows > attractive. The availability of 100,000 different applications > for the platform in itself justifies Windows. So does its > near-total dedication to the desktop environment. So does its > compatibility (most other people use Windows, so Windows > applications are the most compatible with what most other people > are using). There are many reasons. Don't just say that "there are many reasons". List them, and please explain why you consider them reasons to use Windows. To begin with, a significant portion of the 100K apps you mention are games. Many of the others are either shareware or freeware, much of it as bug-ridden as a 30-year old hooker from Queens. I think it'd be fair to say that the average Windows user might use 100 out of the 100K Windows apps you mention. Most of these apps have BSD (or GNU/Linux) counterparts that are free as in beer if not free as in speech. Quite frankly, there's no reason for formatting a document using MS' proprietary *.DOC format when they look just as good in properly formatted HTML. Of course, I wouldn't take an HTML document from a Windows user without first using the Demoronizer, but that's what I get for having friends that use Windows. > My opinion seems to correlate well with the market figures, and > that is not surprising, since the market figures are in part what > drives my opinion. Now, if I went by market figures, I could conclude that the Backstreet Boys are a better band than Iron Maiden, and the Britney Spears is a better singer than Sarah Brightman. Marketing figures are relevent only to marketers. I personally consider marketers as low a form of life as politicians, wife-beaters, and neo-Nazis. > As a software engineer, then, you should also know that systems > that are the most friendly to users tend to be the most unfriendly > to software engineers, and vice versa. Now, why should people put up with the security holes and the general incompetence surr > I tend to agree that Windows is a nightmare to program for. But > that has no influence on its utility for the average user, since > the average user is not programming for his own system. I insist on differing on this point. I think that the harder a system is to program for, the harder it is to write quality software. If it's difficult to write quality software, then the user has to put up with mediocre software. While most Windows users might not be programmers, they do suffer when Windows programmers try to cut corners when the API becomes too nightmarish to handle. > Or they lack religious devotion to the OS. After all, people > running FreeBSD on servers are using the OS for what it does best, > and absent a special affection for it above and beyond that. Personally, I think you fall back on the religion thing because you cannot convince us as to the correctness of your position, yet cannot concede that since we are not "average users" we have no reason to tolerate an OS geared to "average users". > No, it is more open as well. _Anyone_ can write programs for > Windows, and this has always been true. It has not been true in > the past for Apple, and I suspect it is still not true now. When did Apple become relevant to this discussion of FBSD vs. Windows on the desktop? Yes, any schmuck can write programs for Windows. I've worked with some of the idiots and have done some truly idiotic things myself. However, anybody *willing to make an effort* can write programs for FBSD. They don't have to learn C; they can do plenty with Python, and Python is free. Just install the port. With Windows, on the other hand, the dominant programming tools come from MS: the Visual Studio tools, and they cost an arm and a leg. > Apple is a good example of what happens when religious faith is > given priority over practical considerations. Microsoft is a good > example of what happens when practical considerations are given > priority over religious faith. As proof, note that the most > important application on the Mac is Microsoft Office. Funny, I thought that Microsoft was a good example of what happens when marketing considerations are given priority over writing solid code. Microsoft's security record is reason enough to call their products shoddy. And, Anthony, please *do not* CC me in your reply. Just reply to the list. Thanks. - -- Matthew Graybosch http://www.starbreaker.net GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 "Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BboBcCiK1X1IhlkRAvFcAJ97zxaqlaGpDnpCE9tNJtTWILmO9wCggW/G XWB3jcnci8Z3RPpW1O/KIO0= =bDYp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:27:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E743837B417; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Nyteckjobs@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.14e.4d05ff7 (25307); Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: Nyteckjobs@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:27:17 EST Subject: (no subject) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >As I mentioned above, we CAN license the driver code and the DDK for >development. This means that you could produce FreeBSD drivers which we >could then distribute in a binary form under a free end-user license. > >Frankly this is the only way I can see that FreeBSD drivers for the 5xx >series would ever come about. Porting SAND over, while having >advantages >of long term support, is just overkill for this, besides which it's unlikely >you will get a FreeBSD developer to work on GPL code. >This would end up putting a WANic 5xx driver into the same status as the >drivers for the Emerging Technologies, or Sangoma sync cards, which both >come >with binary-only FreeBSD drivers. It would actually have a leg up over >those drivers because it would have Netgraph hooks and I believe that the >Sangoma drivers don't (but I've never worked with the Sangoma cards so I >don't know for certain) The concept that "netgraph hooks" are a "leg up" on say, ETs drivers that have integrated bandwidth management and prioritization, WAN bridging support, load balancing and a probably 25% performance advantage is a bit entertaining. Unless you need to do some convoluted encapsulation netgraph is, aside from being appallingly non-standard to anything else in the market, not much of an "advantage", and its a poster child for the trade off of "flexibility" versus performance. Lets face it. If you were going to sit down and design an interface for frame relay, multi-protocol support, etc, you'd have to be smoking something pretty strong to come up with netgraph. But its free and there is source, so it must be great! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:39:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from donobi.com (helo.donobi.com [64.113.0.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF337B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [209.20.172.240] (HELO aol.com) by donobi.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with SMTP id 3687915 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:39:22 -0800 From: "Brian Yelland" <_yellaby@nwinet.com> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:39:23 -0800 Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: 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Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:44:38 -0800 Received: from 216.230.155.218 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:44:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.230.155.218] From: "Oscar Castaneda" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pcmcia card Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:44:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2001 04:44:38.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D4AAE30:01C17890] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Im about to buy a used laptop and I was wondering how driver support for pcmcia cards is doing in FreeBSD.. What brand names of pcmcia cards are recommendable/supported, and any relevant issues torwards my purchase of one... thanks to all, oscar _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:46:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from a.synk.dsgx.org (lx.client0.dsgx.org [66.47.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD5537B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hacko (200-158-34-63.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.158.34.63]) by a.synk.dsgx.org (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id fAT5mEh22988 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:48:15 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c17891$228950a0$0200a8c0@mdrjr.net> From: "Mauro Dias" To: Subject: Ethernet Problem. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:48:47 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17880.5E264D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17880.5E264D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have two ethernet adapter, two Realtek 8139c rl0 -> interface that is connected to the ADSL Modem. rl1 -> interface connected to my HUB (10Mbit) tun0 -> interface created by ppp (PPPoE) The problem: *ONLY* ethernet rl1 is slow i can't get more than 8Kbytes/s ifconfig: rl0: flags=3D8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:e0:7d:99:09:db media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active rl1: flags=3D8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::2c0:dfff:fe0a:c652%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ether 00:c0:df:0a:c6:52 media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP status: active lo0: flags=3D8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 tun0: flags=3D8051 mtu 1492 inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7 inet 200.158.34.63 --> 200.206.156.227 netmask 0xffffff00 Opened by PID 135 my firewall rules: 00100 52800 31457209 divert 8668 ip from any to any via tun0 00200 3646325 3135705179 allow ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 00300 0 0 allow ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.1 00400 97 5046 allow tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 113 00500 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 139 00600 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 22 00700 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1021 00800 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 2049 00900 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1022 01000 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1023 01100 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 111 01200 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 138 01300 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 137 01400 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 67 01500 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1004 01600 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 2049 01700 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1016 01800 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1021 01900 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 111 02000 444 178973 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1024 02100 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 514 65535 71929 48645633 allow ip from any to any natd.conf file: interface tun0 dynamic yes same_ports yes use_sockets yes redirect_port tcp 192.168.0.2:6000 6000 Does anyone have a idea ? Thank you. Best Regards, Mauro Dias Ribeiro Junior. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17880.5E264D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I have two ethernet adapter, two = Realtek=20 8139c
 
rl0 -> interface that is connected = to the ADSL=20 Modem.
rl1 -> interface connected to my HUB = (10Mbit)
tun0 -> interface created by ppp=20 (PPPoE)
 
 
The problem:
*ONLY* ethernet rl1 is slow i can't get = more than=20 8Kbytes/s
 
 
 
ifconfig:
rl0:=20 flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu=20 1500
        inet6=20 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid=20 0x1
        ether=20 00:e0:7d:99:09:db
        media: = Ethernet=20 autoselect (100baseTX=20 <full-duplex>)
        = status:=20 active
rl1: = flags=3D8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu=20 1500
        inet 192.168.0.1 = netmask=20 0xffffff00 broadcast = 192.168.0.255
       =20 inet6 fe80::2c0:dfff:fe0a:c652%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid=20 0x2
        ether=20 00:c0:df:0a:c6:52
        media: = Ethernet=20 10baseT/UTP
        status: = active
lo0:=20 flags=3D8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu=20 16384
        inet6 ::1 prefixlen=20 128
        inet6 fe80::1%lo0 = prefixlen 64=20 scopeid 0x3
        inet 127.0.0.1 = netmask=20 0xff000000
tun0: flags=3D8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> = mtu=20 1492
        inet6=20 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid=20 0x7
        inet 200.158.34.63 = -->=20 200.206.156.227 netmask = 0xffffff00
       =20 Opened by PID 135
my firewall rules:
00100   52800   = 31457209 divert=20 8668 ip from any to any via tun0
00200 3646325 3135705179 allow ip = from=20 192.168.0.0/24 to any
00300      =20 0          0 allow ip from=20 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.1
00400     =20 97       5046 allow tcp from any to = 200.158.34.63=20 113
00500      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 139
00600      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 22
00700      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1021
00800      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 2049
00900      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1022
01000      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1023
01100      =20 0          0 deny tcp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 111
01200      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 138
01300      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 137
01400      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 67
01500      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1004
01600      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 2049
01700      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1016
01800      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 1021
01900      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 111
02000     = 444    =20 178973 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63=20 1024
02100      =20 0          0 deny udp from = any to=20 200.158.34.63 514
65535   71929   48645633 allow = ip from=20 any to any
natd.conf file:
interface tun0
dynamic = yes
same_ports=20 yes
use_sockets yes
redirect_port tcp 192.168.0.2:6000 = 6000

 
 
Does anyone have a idea ?
 
 
Thank you.
 
Best Regards,
Mauro Dias Ribeiro Junior.
 
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C17880.5E264D40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:52:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6241837B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT4qSx01794; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:52:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <01b501c17891$a5f56b40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: References: <20011128174155.A38325@rit.edu> <014f01c17886$a7d59df0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <200111282247.42677@starbreaker.net> Subject: Re: As usual, I disagree. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:52:28 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew writes: > Not to mention arguing from popularity instead > of the technical merits of Windows. Windows would be (barely) preferable on technical merits alone, although that is not the sole reason for its success. Unfortunately, operating systems do not succeed or fail based on technical merits alone; if they did, we'd be running FreeMultics instead of FreeBSD. > Windows may well be the *worst* choice from a > usability standpoint, IMHO. I've explained several times at length why this is not so. > Any script kiddie with a rudimentary knowledge > of VB can write worms and Trojans that can cause > serious damage to a Windows machine should the > user let down her guard for even a moment. Windows is not intended to be a secure system. The security requirements of desktop systems are very modest, since they should normally be behind firewalls. > Windows insists on abstracting everything from > the user, so that the user is mostly insulated > from the consequences of her actions. That's exactly what most Windows users prefer. > If I need to get under the hood for any reason, > even to indulge my curiosity, then I have to > get past all the bondage and discipline built > into Windows. Most users never want to get under the hood. > Windows is sloppily coded ... True of Windows 9x and its blood predecessors. Not true of NT. NT is rather cleanly written, especially in the kernel. Looking at the two sources side-by-side, you can often recognize the Windows 9x stuff at a glance. > ... and wastes the potential of just about > every computer it touches. Most desktop systems are so dramatically overpowered that wasteful coding is the only way to keep them busy. Since their horsepower is wasted if it isn't used, anyway, using it makes no difference. Of course, the situation is different for servers, which is one of many reasons why Windows is not ideal for servers. > Among other things, Windows insists on using > the swapfile as much as possible, instead of > real memory, which needlessly wastes disk space > and causes utterly unnecessary disk I/O should > I actually try to push the computer. How did you determine this? Note that the event-driven architecture of Windows requires a lot of swapping in itself, regardless of memory-management algorithms. For example, significant events must be signalled to _every_ program that owns windows, and that means that every program must be in memory to process the events, which often requires a ton of swapping. I've seen this on many occasions. UNIX does not communicate between processes or between system nearly as much, particularly with respect to asynchronous events. As a result, it does not have to constantly swap processes in just to tell them that a user has, say, moved a mouse. > Installing or removing even the most trivial > applications requires proprietary automated > tools like InstallShield because of the > Registry, a beast nasty enough to make Great > Cthulhu look as cuddly as a kitten in a basket. Yes, but from a user standpoint, it is much more ergonomic than in UNIX. > Quite frankly, dealing with Windows on a home > desktop, or even a work desktop, is more > aggravation than most of us get paid for. You are projecting the attitudes of many IT professionals onto the user community at large. But only a very tiny fraction of Windows users--and desktop users in general--works in IT. Most of the characteristics you see as drawbacks are seen as advantages by the huge majority of non-IT users. > Frankly, it sounds like you're religiously > devoted to Windows on the desktop. Not religiously devoted, just objective enough to recognize that Windows is the best desktop solution at this time. > When I argue that FreeBSD is better for desktop > use than Windows, I argue from roughly five > years of self-taught experience. Why don't you argue that FreeBSD is better for server use? At least then you are not fighting a losing battle. Or must FreeBSD be used for _everything_ in order to satisfy you? > Don't just say that "there are many reasons". > List them, and please explain why you consider > them reasons to use Windows. I list them over, and over, and over, but the faithful never seem to notice. > To begin with, a significant portion of the > 100K apps you mention are games. So? The purpose of a computer is to do what its user wants it to do. Lots of users like to play games. > Many of the others are either shareware or > freeware ... Just like FreeBSD? > ... much of it as bug-ridden as a 30-year old > hooker from Queens. Are you saying that freeware is likely to contain bugs? What does this imply for FreeBSD, then? > I think it'd be fair to say that the average > Windows user might use 100 out of the 100K > Windows apps you mention. And in many cases, not a single one of those 100 applications exists in a UNIX version. > Most of these apps have BSD (or GNU/Linux) > counterparts that are free as in beer if not > free as in speech. "Counterparts" aren't good enough. When you need to exchange Microsoft Word files with someone, you need Microsoft Word, not just any generic word processor. > Quite frankly, there's no reason for formatting > a document using MS' proprietary *.DOC format > when they look just as good in properly formatted > HTML. HTML provides far less control over formatting than MS Word. And MS Word seems hopelessly imprecise to those of us who do our work in Quark XPress. > Of course, I wouldn't take an HTML document from a > Windows user without first using the Demoronizer, > but that's what I get for having friends that use > Windows. I suggest that people send me documents in PDF. > Now, if I went by market figures, I could conclude > that the Backstreet Boys are a better band than > Iron Maiden, and the Britney Spears is a better > singer than Sarah Brightman. I'm not familiar with any of these persons or organizations, so I cannot comment. > Now, why should people put up with the security > holes and the general incompetence surr What? Anyway, most desktop users care nothing about security. > I insist on differing on this point. I think that > the harder a system is to program for, the harder > it is to write quality software. That's not what I said. I said that the more friendly a system is for a user, the more difficult it is to write software for it, and that is true. Writing quality software requires only a competent engineer. Of course, competent engineers are rare. > If it's difficult to write quality software, then > the user has to put up with mediocre software. A poor workman blames his tools. I can write software of top quality on _any_ platform. > ... they do suffer when Windows programmers try to > cut corners when the API becomes too nightmarish > to handle. Or when Windows programmers reach the limits of their competence, which often doesn't take very long. > Personally, I think you fall back on the religion > thing because you cannot convince us as to the > correctness of your position ... Yes. Religion is what prevents people from seeing the objective data. For example, I've explained again and again why Windows is preferable on the destkop, and yet the true believers continue to ask me for explanations--they do not even see them when I provide them. But I do not seek to convince anyone in particular. True believers cannot be convinced; but people without partisan feelings may look at what I say, and be better informed, and make better choices. > ... yet cannot concede that since we are not > "average users" we have no reason to tolerate > an OS geared to "average users". It's not tolerance, it's preference. Average users have no preferences; they use whatever gets the job done. Geeks like us have preferences (usually), as we tend to use computers for their own sake, rather than as tools to get jobs done. I'm a bit different in that I use computers to get work done, not just as playthings. As a result, I've had to face the realities of what is really best for a given purpose, as opposed to what I think might be cool to run. > Yes, any schmuck can write programs for Windows. That's one reason why there are so many Windows applications out there. > However, anybody *willing to make an effort* can > write programs for FBSD. No special effort is required to write programs for FreeBSD. It's at least as easy as Windows, and in fact I consider it at least an order of magnitude easier. However, most people write software for the purpose of earning money, and there is more money in Windows applications, usually, because of the larger user base. Additionally, many of the less competent programmers don't even know what UNIX is. They just write for whatever machine they have in front of them. > With Windows, on the other hand, the dominant > programming tools come from MS: the Visual > Studio tools, and they cost an arm and a leg. For someone writing code for a living, these tools are just a cost of doing business. Only people coding for fun worry about the cost of the tools. > Funny, I thought that Microsoft was a good example > of what happens when marketing considerations are > given priority over writing solid code. Nobody writing for the consumer market writes solid code, as that is not what consumers want. Still, overall, nobody writes more solid code for that market than Microsoft. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:55: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from out004pub.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E7B37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from verizon.net (pool-141-154-54-59.bos.east.verizon.net [141.154.54.59]) by out004pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id fAT4tjU09792 Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C05BD9D.4000909@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:46:21 -0500 From: Simon Morton Reply-To: smorton@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,zh-CN,de-DE,zh-TW,zh, zh-õ` MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: smorton@acm.org, Mike Meyer , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> <016e01c17889$23dfd990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Simon writes: > > >>As someone who spent 4+ years developing >>highly graphical, highly interactive, and highly >>hardware-dependent single user applications >>for Unix-based (SGI) workstations, I can >>assure you that the above statements >>have very little basis in reality. >> > > As someone who has worked with mainframes and timesharing systems for years, I > can assure you that it is right. > > Perhaps you can explain the utility of a multiuser environment for a single-user > desktop graphics workstation. More to the point: you have stated yourself that UNIX-like systems are suited for server applications (no interactive users) and time-sharing applications (multiple interactive users). You have failed to provide a single concrete justification for your contention that a system supporting exactly one interactive user requires a radically different architecture from one that supports both 0 (less than one) and n (more than one.) > >>There are many reasons that Windows is the >>dominant force on the desktop today but they >>have everything to do with marketing and >>economics and very little to do with operating >>system design. >> > > That is a common misconception, held dear and defended by those with axes to > grind or religions to defend. Microsoft wanted the desktop GUI market and went > after it. Most UNIX vendors did not. Oh, right, and that had nothing to with marketing or economics. Simon -- http://www.SimonMorton.com smorton at acm dot org \rm -rf /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 20:58:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3582F37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hmc.edu (giblet.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.60.100]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAT4wt829455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3C05C08F.9030709@hmc.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:55 -0800 From: John McCullough User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth de90dd11 unsubscribe freebsd-questions jmccullough@hmc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21: 1:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from y3k.shacknet.nu (morr0652.gti.net [208.216.122.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC99D37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from shacknet.nu (localhost.gti.net [127.0.0.1]) by y3k.shacknet.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAT58PY30790; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:08:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from y3k@gti.net) Received: from 208.216.122.52 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mark) by y3k.shacknet.nu with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:08:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3642.208.216.122.52.1007010506.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:08:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) From: "Mark Yeck" To: anthony@freebie.atkielski.com In-Reply-To: <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Cc: y3k@gti.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mark writes: > The obvious question, then, is: How did Microsoft ever come to > dominate any market, if its dominance depends on already being > dominant? From what I saw during the years of Microsoft's rise, the came to dominate the market through a combination of their own wise business decisions and unwise decisions of their competitors, mainly Apple and IBM who made a plethora of poor decisions, and the UNIX vendors who mostly chose to target a completely different market than Microsoft. Microsoft dominated the PC desktop and UNIX vendors dominated high end RISC workstation desktops. As PC hardware became more powerful and their price remained about the same, they began to compete very well with lower end RISC workstations, moving Microsoft into markets that were solidly dominated by UNIX. Technical superiority or desktop usability had almost no role in their rise to dominance. [arguement 1 snipped] > At least 99.9% of desktop users are just like your mother. > > That's one argument in favor of Windows. [arguement 2 snipped] > That's two. [arguement 3 snipped] > That's three. > > For someone who seems to doubt the superiority of Windows on the > desktop, you certainly are arguing persuasively in its favor. Indeed. Three somewhat powerful arguements. None of them related to any sort of technical superiority. I'm no FreeBSD zealot, but in almost all technical respects including usability on the desktop, I find it superior to Windows. There are plenty of reasons to use Microsoft products. My point is that these reasons are all directly related to market dominance and not superior design. In fact, here's another one that I forgot: because of the dominance of Windows, all hardware vendors make sure to have Windows drivers for their products when they are released. Most wont provide a UNIX driver until later, if at all. This has nothing to do with who has the superior design, and everything to do with market dominance. -mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:20:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51BB37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from guinevere ([24.6.138.112]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011129052034.NIOZ20888.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@guinevere> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:20:34 -0800 From: "J. Seth Henry" To: Subject: Best choice for PC/104 audio board in FreeBSD Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I bought one of the GCT-Allwell set-top box (3036N) development kits a while back with the thought of turning it into an MP3 player. Although I have been pleased with the machine overall, it does have one irritating problem - the audio causes applications to hang. I have eliminated everything else (the little machine ran seti@home for 2 months without a single hiccup) and the files have been played both from the local IDE hard disk, and via NFS. This is unfortunate, given that the box has a built-in 16 bit audio system that is Sound Blaster compatible (and easy to configure). So, I now have three options. I can put the MP3 server itself in the living room (which isn't a terribly great idea, what with 10k rpm Ultra160 SCSI drive in it), run audio cables through the wall - or put a sound board in the 3036N. I think the latter is the best bet. Unfortunately, I have the single PCI/ISA slot filled with a necessary SCSI adapter (for the CD ROM), so I've been looking at PC/104 sound boards. Most of the ones I have found are Soundblaster Pro compatible (or Windows Sound System). They all have DOS drivers. Can anyone recommend a good PC/104 sound board that is known to work under FreeBSD? Given that the best price I have seen (for a relatively older tech board) has been $96 - I'd like to know the thing will run with the OSS drivers. Alternately, has anyone figured out why the sound on the 3036N causes apps to segfault. It must be hardware, because it occurs under Linux (along with a terrible screeching noise), Windows, BeOS and QNX. Same behaviour - sound apps fail or freeze. The PC/104 option is the most attractive - as I can put the board inside the box and use the headers on the board to route the sound to the onboard connectors. I have access to a number of input/output connectors to the onboard audio hardware. The hardware particulars are fairly well known, but to be complete: System: Allwell STB 3036N with NS Geode GX1 processor running at 300Mhz. Geode processor has a built in audio system. PCI/ISA slot has Adaptec 2940AU supporting an external CD-ROM. OS: FreeBSD 4.4-Release (recompiled with limited driver support) Any help is most appreciated, though followups to jshamlet@hotmail.com would be helpful, as I am one of the poor bastards that may be cut off this Friday when Excite@home goes tits up... Seth Henry jshamlet@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:22:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C178C37B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAT5MdB87604 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:22:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:22:38 -0500 (EST) From: To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This was so convoluted I thought I had cut too much. I no - I only wanted to respond to this one point. On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Mark writes: > > > Every advantage I've seen with Microsoft is > > directly related to its overwhelming domination > > of whatever market its in. > > The obvious question, then, is: How did Microsoft ever come to > dominate any market, if its dominance depends on already being > dominant? > Microsoft was paid by IBM to develop (or be a partner in developing) OS/2. So IBM trained MS. I think IBM could never view itself as a software company and thus completely underestimated (if not totally discounted) the PC software market. In the mid 80s a PC cost ~$2500. To run OS/2 on the average PC it cost another $1500 in memory and what not. On top of this IBM wanted about $1500 for OS/2. Not likely when the first three releases barely worked and each brought forth a new (if not better) API. The company that made billions on the concept of hardware compatibility did not apply that to software. The first version did not even have DOS support When MS and IBM split, MS introduced windows which was designed to run on the PCs of the day. As it did not, he gave the software away until you get to 3.5 which worked okay (at least by comparison). Apple was having a hard time with the corporate market so MS had a pretty long window to get things working. That was a lot of words to say Bill Gates was an order of magnitude better a marketer than the Watsons (TJ 1 & 2). He recognized a market and conceived of a way to capture it, certainly a marketing genius. I am not sure what in the development of windows has ever spoken to technical superiority. At the end of the day what is the best Desktop OS is a silly (but entertaining) argument. The best OS for a Personal Computer is defined by the name. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:23:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B93C37B405 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool1002.cvx14-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.41.237] helo=there) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169JfA-0003qQ-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:23:09 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold Organization: The Pagan Library To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: CVSup Errors Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:23:06 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recenly setup a router and before i call the cable company, I want to s= et=20 it up with my current dial-up connection. The router is an SMC Barricade with a Creative Labs Modemblaster connecte= d.=20 This same modem used to be connected directly to my FreeBSD 4.4-R box. CVSup is version 16.1_3. CVSup runs for about 10 minutes and then: --28/11 21:10-- ~->sudo daily.sh Password: Script started, output file is /tmp/update.log Parsing supfile "/usr/local/bin/supfile-ports" Connecting to cvsup7.FreeBSD.org Connected to cvsup7.FreeBSD.org Server software version: SNAP_16_1e Negotiating file attribute support Exchanging collection information Establishing multiplexed-mode data connection Running Updating collection ports-all/cvs Edit ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk Add delta 1.394 2001.11.28.05.00.36 lioux Edit ports/archivers/parchive/files/Makefile Add delta 1.2 2001.11.28.13.35.29 jedgar Edit ports/archivers/parchive/pkg-plist Add delta 1.2 2001.11.28.13.35.51 jedgar TreeList failed: Network write failure: Connection timed out Will retry at 21:25:29 This happens with both cvsup7 and cvsup8. Help! Before I switched the mod= em=20 to the router everything worked perfectly. Mail, FTP, web, etc all work=20 beautifully. Just not cvsup. --=20 Everybody is equal here. It's just some people are more equal than others= =2E Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold http://www.paganlibrary.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:24:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CF437B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT5O9x01895; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:24:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <01c601c17896$12bbf560$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: Cc: , "Mike Meyer" , References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> <016e01c17889$23dfd990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05BD9D.4000909@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:24:08 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon writes: > More to the point: you have stated yourself that > UNIX-like systems are suited for server applications > (no interactive users) and time-sharing applications > (multiple interactive users). Yes, although server applications are still interactive from the OS standpoint. I believe the superiority of UNIX in these domains is widely acknowledged. > You have failed to provide a single concrete > justification for your contention that a system > supporting exactly one interactive user requires > a radically different architecture from one that > supports both 0 (less than one) and n (more > than one.) Interesting that you accept the first statement without comment, but you want "justification" for the second. Odd that you have two different standards of proof--based perhaps on what you prefer to believe? > Oh, right, and that had nothing to with marketing > or economics. That would be an exaggeration, but Windows would not have succeeded on marketing alone. The system had to do what people wanted, and so Microsoft engineered it to do exactly that. These decisions haunt them now in their attempt to conquer the server market, but they also ensure continued dominance on the desktop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:28:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15E237B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT5SQx01909; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:28:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <01cb01c17896$abb81500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mark Yeck" Cc: , References: <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3642.208.216.122.52.1007010506.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:28:25 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark writes: > From what I saw during the years of Microsoft's > rise, the came to dominate the market through > a combination of their own wise business decisions > and unwise decisions of their competitors, mainly > Apple and IBM who made a plethora of poor decisions, > and the UNIX vendors who mostly chose to target > a completely different market than Microsoft. I fully agree. Not only did Microsoft make some smart decisions, but Apple made one mistake after another (and they are still making mistakes). I watched as Macs initially invaded desktops, only to be replaced by PCs a few years later. IBM was completely clueless, still thinking in mainframe terms, and UNIX vendors weren't interested. > Microsoft dominated the PC desktop and UNIX vendors > dominated high end RISC workstation desktops. As PC > hardware became more powerful and their price > remained about the same, they began to compete very > well with lower end RISC workstations, moving Microsoft > into markets that were solidly dominated by UNIX. > Technical superiority or desktop usability had almost > no role in their rise to dominance. Yes, but Windows still has the technical advantage of being purpose-built for the desktop, whereas UNIX does not. Thus, someone choosing a desktop for the first time today would be well advised to choose Windows even on a purely technical basis alone. > Three somewhat powerful arguements. None of them > related to any sort of technical superiority. Neither is your explanation above of UNIX domination of high-end workstations. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 21:40: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in (iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in [203.197.98.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51F437B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from cse.iitkgp.ernet.in (IDENT:root@cse.iitkgp.ernet.in [144.16.192.57]) by iitkgp.iitkgp.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15041; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:08:07 -0500 (GMT) Received: from localhost (subhra@localhost) by cse.iitkgp.ernet.in (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id fAT5l0006020; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:17:01 +0530 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:17:00 +0530 (IST) From: Subhra Banerjee To: "Chuck O'Donnell" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: about mounting of floppy In-Reply-To: <20011127203754.GB70493@bus.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sir, Thanks for the suggestion..and my floppy is mounting now.I have in the floppy vmware-tools-for-freebsd..and I have to install it in my FreeBSD for openning the X-window. Can you suggest what next to do? Regards, Subhra. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22: 6:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mtapop1pub.verizon.net (mtapop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B60437B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from verizon.net (pool-141-154-54-59.bos.east.verizon.net [141.154.54.59]) by mtapop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id AAA7174861 Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:06:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C05CE93.6010508@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:58:43 -0500 From: Simon Morton Reply-To: smorton@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,zh-CN,de-DE,zh-TW,zh, zh-õ` MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> <016e01c17889$23dfd990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05BD9D.4000909@verizon.net> <01c601c17896$12bbf560$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski wrote: >>More to the point: you have stated yourself that >>UNIX-like systems are suited for server applications >>(no interactive users) and time-sharing applications >>(multiple interactive users). >> > Yes, although server applications are still interactive from the OS standpoint. > I believe the superiority of UNIX in these domains is widely acknowledged. > >>You have failed to provide a single concrete >>justification for your contention that a system >>supporting exactly one interactive user requires >>a radically different architecture from one that >>supports both 0 (less than one) and n (more >>than one.) >> > Interesting that you accept the first statement without comment, but you want > "justification" for the second. Odd that you have two different standards of > proof--based perhaps on what you prefer to believe? Well I think we are consuming enough bandwidth as it is without demanding justification for things we both agree on. I have been trying (without success I might add) to get you to explain the inconsistency in your position. If UNIX is good for 0 users (server) and 2 users (time-sharing), why is it no good for 1 user? What is so special about the number 1? That is my last word on the subject. I'm sure most people on the list are beyond fed up with this thread by now. I know I am. Simon -- http://www.SimonMorton.com smorton at acm dot org \rm -rf /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22: 7:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5DF537B420 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15522 invoked by uid 100); 29 Nov 2001 06:07:18 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.53398.561929.429717@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:07:18 -0600 To: Dmitry Mottl Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multiple GID's In-Reply-To: <24597736@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dmitry Mottl types: > In how many groups does the user can be? I could have sworn it was 16, but it seems to be 15. Strange. > Is there a limit? Where it is hardcoded? Probably all over the place. Start with NGROUPS_MAX in in /usr/include/sys/syslimits.h. That's 16, but it only put me in 15. > Where GID's are stored during user's sessions? In the kernel ucred structure. Probably other places as well. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:15:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A2837B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAT6FIC19847; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:15:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: Mauro Dias Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ethernet Problem. In-Reply-To: <004001c17891$228950a0$0200a8c0@mdrjr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Mauro Dias wrote: Try a different ethernet card... > Hi, > > I have two ethernet adapter, two Realtek 8139c > > rl0 -> interface that is connected to the ADSL Modem. > rl1 -> interface connected to my HUB (10Mbit) > tun0 -> interface created by ppp (PPPoE) > > > The problem: > *ONLY* ethernet rl1 is slow i can't get more than 8Kbytes/s > > > > ifconfig: > rl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > ether 00:e0:7d:99:09:db > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > rl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 > inet6 fe80::2c0:dfff:fe0a:c652%rl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > ether 00:c0:df:0a:c6:52 > media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP > status: active > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > tun0: flags=8051 mtu 1492 > inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe99:9db%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7 > inet 200.158.34.63 --> 200.206.156.227 netmask 0xffffff00 > Opened by PID 135 > > my firewall rules: > 00100 52800 31457209 divert 8668 ip from any to any via tun0 > 00200 3646325 3135705179 allow ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any > 00300 0 0 allow ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to 192.168.0.1 > 00400 97 5046 allow tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 113 > 00500 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 139 > 00600 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 22 > 00700 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1021 > 00800 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 2049 > 00900 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1022 > 01000 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 1023 > 01100 0 0 deny tcp from any to 200.158.34.63 111 > 01200 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 138 > 01300 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 137 > 01400 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 67 > 01500 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1004 > 01600 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 2049 > 01700 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1016 > 01800 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1021 > 01900 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 111 > 02000 444 178973 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 1024 > 02100 0 0 deny udp from any to 200.158.34.63 514 > 65535 71929 48645633 allow ip from any to any > > natd.conf file: > interface tun0 > dynamic yes > same_ports yes > use_sockets yes > redirect_port tcp 192.168.0.2:6000 6000 > > > > Does anyone have a idea ? > > > Thank you. > > Best Regards, > Mauro Dias Ribeiro Junior. > > Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:19:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from y3k.shacknet.nu (morr0652.gti.net [208.216.122.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3354E37B428 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from shacknet.nu (localhost.gti.net [127.0.0.1]) by y3k.shacknet.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAT6MCY31264; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:22:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from y3k@gti.net) Received: from 208.216.122.52 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mark) by y3k.shacknet.nu with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:22:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3797.208.216.122.52.1007014935.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:22:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) From: "Mark Yeck" To: anthony@freebie.atkielski.com In-Reply-To: <01cb01c17896$abb81500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <01cb01c17896$abb81500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hum. i'd hoped not to get sucked too deep into this thread, but here goes... > Mark writes: > Yes, but Windows still has the technical advantage of being > purpose-built for the desktop, whereas UNIX does not. Thus, someone > choosing a desktop for the first time today would be well advised to > choose Windows even on a purely technical basis alone. Yes, you've mentioned that repeatedly. Being purpose-built isnt in and of itself a technical advantage and it could be argued that it's offset by the fact that UNIX was on the desktop years before Windows existed. As far as I can recall, the only strictly technical arguement you've offered was the tighter integration with the hardware (mostly for games). > Neither is your explanation above of UNIX domination of high-end > workstations. True. I didnt think the technical reasons were relevant. At the risk of getting even further off topic: -this isnt strictly a technical advantage, but at the time that UNIX was gaining it's dominance of workstations, Microsoft offered only DOS and eventually Win3.0 and 3.1. -RISC workstations used a wide variety of hardware and UNIX offered a relatively consistant interface to all of them. -UNIX's networking capabilities made it particularly well suited to the applications that the workstations were used for. Capabilities including: -Networked Filesystems -Network transparent display(Xwindows) I'm sure there were other things that I cant remember right now. Many capabilities that UNIX had then are now offered by Microsoft to some degree, including real multitasking and networked filesystems. -mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:37:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (kundera.3dresearch.com [209.195.180.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B0537B41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosch.3dresearch.com (bosch.3dresearch.com [209.195.180.12]) by smtp.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF53F68D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:37:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com> X-Sender: janos@imap.3dresearch.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:36:38 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: web@3dresearch.com Subject: NIC settings lookup In-Reply-To: <00b101c16b64$454a8da0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wondered if you could help: How do I look up my network card settings: Port address, IRQ etc. on a running FreeBSD 4.4 system? Many thanx. Janos Dohanics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:41:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from stinger-dsl-81.wvi.com (stinger-dsl-81.wvi.com [204.119.3.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605F437B43B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dsl-95.adweb.net [208.152.19.65]) by stinger-dsl-81.wvi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EA5B26E1E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:52:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Phil Webb Reply-To: philwebb@piperain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Xwindows and wrapper Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:41:43 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011129065217.7EA5B26E1E@stinger-dsl-81.wvi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suppose its only fair to say at the outset that I am new here so this may be something real dumb. I was getting a metric butt-ton of DCOPServer errors upon starting KDE so I installed XFree86-4.1.0_10 from the ports on FreeBSD 4.4. Upon installing, I could "startx" as root and get to KDE, but not as user. Following the instructions presented upon the X fail, I installed wrapper-1.0_1 from ports. Upon attempting to re-start X (and thus KDE), I am told that there is an existing X session, so I log off and log back in as user. Upon "startx" I am told I must install wrapper or SUID the X server, which is not recommended. pkg_info says that wrapper is installed. A search of the mailing list archives tells me to set my security level=0 in rc.conf. Done. Still no joy. A trip through FreeBSD Unleashed, The Complete FreeBSD, and Annelies' book haven't answered my question, at least to my (admittedly limited) understanding. I did catch teh make.conf refernce and created it accordingly I am having to run as root since I am a recent Window$ convert and am still not quite ready for 100% command line, but i would desperately love to "graduate" to fvwm. Running as root makes me nervous, since I am liable to munge something up inadvertantly or otherwise. I would greatly appreciate some help with this. Thank you Phil Webb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:45:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B7637B421 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT6jWx02194; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:45:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <020701c178a1$715e7c90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: , References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <006101c17854$c6aa2570$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C0574C4.3040001@verizon.net> <016e01c17889$23dfd990$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05BD9D.4000909@verizon.net> <01c601c17896$12bbf560$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C05CE93.6010508@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:45:32 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon writes: > Well I think we are consuming enough bandwidth > as it is without demanding justification for > things we both agree on. Or perhaps you realize that the things we agree on cannot be "justified" any more than the things on which we disagree, but admitting that would destroy your attempt to discredit my assertions by demanding justification for them. > If UNIX is good for 0 users (server) and 2 users > (time-sharing), why is it no good for 1 user? First of all, server use and timesharing use are both multiuser enviroments. And multiuser design differs significantly from single-user design. > What is so special about the number 1? Remember this question the next time you feel inclined to, say, complain about Microsoft being a "monopoly." > That is my last word on the subject. I'm sure > most people on the list are beyond fed up with > this thread by now. I know I am. If you are fed up, all you have to do is stop replying. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:47:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977B437B41F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT6lfx02206; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:47:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <020c01c178a1$bea114e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mark Yeck" Cc: References: <01cb01c17896$abb81500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3797.208.216.122.52.1007014935.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:47:39 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark writes: > Being purpose-built isnt in and of itself a > technical advantage ... I disagree. All else being equal, a purpose-built system is always superior to a generalized system. > ... and it could be argued that it's offset > by the fact that UNIX was on the desktop years > before Windows existed. Being around for years has nothing to do with technical suitability for a specific purpose. > As far as I can recall, the only strictly technical > arguement you've offered was the tighter integration > with the hardware (mostly for games). Plus a single-user design, and native GUI support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 22:55:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1129037B437 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAT6sxR53874; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bob Willcox" , "Courtney Thomas" Cc: "Anthony Atkielski" , Subject: RE: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:54:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c178a2$c3206600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20011128091017.A89511@luke.immure.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Willcox [mailto:bob@immure.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:10 AM >To: Courtney Thomas >Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Anthony Atkielski; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > >One further note: In my experience the newer Mammoth Exabyte drives (I >haven't tried a Mammoth2 yet) are _much_ better than all of the other >8mm and 4mm drives that I have used. These have a higher capacity (a So, have you seen the new VXA drives that Exabyte bought from Ecrix? (see http://www.exabyte.com/company/press/releases.cfm) they are touted to be Mammoth-killers. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23: 0:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD9337B448 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fAT70MR53903; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Wayne Pascoe" , "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: RE: freebsd as a desktop ? Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c178a3$83556a60$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <86667vkk98.fsf@pan.ehsrealtime.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Wayne Pascoe >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:06 AM >To: Anthony Atkielski >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: freebsd as a desktop ? > > >There are quite a few reasons. Many of the cost savings, I detailed in >my speech A Business Case for FreeBSD at BSDCon 2001. You can download >the slides from http://www.molemanarmy.com/bsdcon/ > BSDcon 2001 Europe, that is. The US 2001 BSDcon never happened. :( Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:14: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com (web12004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4214C37B432 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:14:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011129071400.30296.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.137.148.99] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:14:00 EST Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:14:00 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Keith=20Spencer?= Subject: Cad for Freebsd???? To: fbsd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I have found Qcad but is there a cad that does 3d as well?? Any recommendations Thanks keith http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Get organised for Christmas early this year! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:29:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nbrewer.com (sparge.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A7A37B425 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C22A84B7210; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:29:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:29:38 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Anthony Atkielski Cc: Mark Yeck , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Message-ID: <20011129012934.A10805@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Anthony Atkielski , Mark Yeck , questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com>; from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 05:19:28AM +0100 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony Atkielski (anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) wrote: > > My mother, for example, may be better off using > > Windows on her desktop, not for any technical > > reason, because if she has a problem she can ask > > almost anyone who uses computers about it. > > That's one argument in favor of Windows. The flip side of this is that if you have a *real* problem with Windows, it is often impossible to cut through the noise when doing a Google search for help. There's a tremendous amount of bad advice out there. And Microsoft's Knowledge Base is almost always a waste of time. Solving problems on a FreeBSD box is comparatively easy. I do a Google search on this list and I almost never have to ask a question here. Minimal noise. Personally, I would never argue that FreeBSD should be installed on everyone's desktop. But I'm pretty sure it belongs on mine. I began buying personal computers back when the owner's manuals contained instructions for programming your computer. To me, and to many others, that's what you do with a computer: you program it. Microsoft has *completely* stripped that aspect of computing from Windows. As such, the default install of Windows (any flavor) is a terrible desktop environment for someone who still wants to do some programming. Microsoft has raised a whole generation of people who believe that in order to program a computer, you've got to purchase a copy of Microsoft Visual Studio for $950. Sure you could use gcc, but Windows doesn't even provide a text editor with line numbers. I got one off of TuCows, but it *expired* after 30 days and I didn't really think it was worth $30. By the time I realized I could have been running Emacs, I had already wiped WinNT from my desktop for good. FreeBSD, because of its academic/UNIX heritage, makes an absolutely wonderful desktop for programmers. The default install contains one of the greatest programming editors of all time (vi), compilers for C and C++, a Perl interpreter, and one of the greatest version control systems ever made (CVS). And yes, I want all this on my desktop machine, and wouldn't feel right without it. Plus, FreeBSD has a shell you can use productively, which is important for those of us who believe that one can be far more productive in a shell than in a GUI. (Try globbing filenames in a GUI, buster!) The "Command Prompt/MS-DOS Prompt" is a very sorry excuse for a shell, and it obviously hasn't been taken seriously since MS-DOS 6. I think I could be more productive talking my mother through a /bin/sh session than using the Command Prompt directly. The situation is so dire I've installed Cygwin on *every* Windows computer I need to use, if for no other reason than filename completion. The mere existence and popularity of Cygwin demonstrates that many people prefer a Unix architecture to a Windows one. For many, this preference is a general preference, whether you are in a server environment or a desktop environment. When you also consider that FreeBSD has an excellent web browser, many superior email/news clients, nice CD ripping/burning software, PDF viewers, xv and the GIMP, what more do you really need a computer for? Strike that. What else do *I* need a computer for? -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:33:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lynx.syix.com (lynx.syix.com [205.171.72.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1342337B42A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cat (cat.npqr.net [63.147.19.40]) by lynx.syix.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAT7XH727937 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pan@syix.com) Message-ID: <01e301c178a8$1ccb2a00$2813933f@cat> From: "pan" To: "freeBSD-questions" References: <20011129065217.7EA5B26E1E@stinger-dsl-81.wvi.com> Subject: Re: Xwindows and wrapper Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:33:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Upon installing, I could "startx" as root and get to KDE, but not as user. > Following the instructions presented upon the X fail, I installed > wrapper-1.0_1 from ports. > cd /root ls -aFl see that file ... .xinitrc ? examine it -- it is probably no more than the one line exec startkde cd /usr/home/$YOU cp /root/.initrc /usr/home/$YOU now try login as $YOU startx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:39:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nbrewer.com (sparge.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A0E37B416 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 565F04B7210; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:39:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:39:24 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: web@3dresearch.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIC settings lookup Message-ID: <20011129013921.B10805@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , web@3dresearch.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <00b101c16b64$454a8da0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com>; from web@3dresearch.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:36:38AM -0500 Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG web@3dresearch.com (web@3dresearch.com) wrote: > I wondered if you could help: How do I look up my network card settings: > Port address, IRQ etc. on a running FreeBSD 4.4 system? ifconfig shows (and allows you to configure) your network card settings. You can get the IRQ from dmesg. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:49:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9F337B41C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT7nGx02379; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:49:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <022401c178aa$594349c0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Christopher Farley" Cc: "Mark Yeck" , References: <15365.11290.211107.464324@guru.mired.org> <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> <018601c1788d$09eb4520$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011129012934.A10805@northernbrewer.com> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:49:15 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christopher writes: > The flip side of this is that if you have a > *real* problem with Windows, it is often impossible > to cut through the noise when doing a Google > search for help. I agree, although FreeBSD is not much better in this regard. I console myself with the fact that FreeBSD is a much simpler OS, and I have the source, so in theory it should fail less often, and if worse comes to worst, I could theoretically find problems myself (that's quite a stretch of theory, however). > And Microsoft's Knowledge Base is almost always > a waste of time. True, but many vendors have nothing at all. > To me, and to many others, that's what you do > with a computer: you program it. A good definition of a computer geek. Geeks are not the majority. > Microsoft has *completely* stripped that aspect > of computing from Windows. That's what users want. > As such, the default install of Windows (any > flavor) is a terrible desktop environment for > someone who still wants to do some programming. The default install is not intended for developers, and developers know how to fix things themselves. > Microsoft has raised a whole generation of people > who believe that in order to program a computer, > you've got to purchase a copy of Microsoft Visual > Studio for $950. Most of the options for Windows cost money. > FreeBSD, because of its academic/UNIX heritage, > makes an absolutely wonderful desktop for programmers. No doubt about that. But most people don't use computers for the sake of using computers, so this doesn't help the OS in larger terms. Perhaps Microsoft has raised a generation of people to think that Visual Studio is a necessity, but universities have raised a generation of CS majors to believe that the only OS in the world is UNIX. > And yes, I want all this on my desktop machine, and > wouldn't feel right without it. So what do you write, with all this programming activity? > The mere existence and popularity of Cygwin > demonstrates that many people prefer a Unix architecture > to a Windows one. The market numbers seem to indicate that the overwhelming majority of computer users prefer a GUI. The situation may be different for the geeks, however. > When you also consider that FreeBSD has an excellent > web browser ... Which browser is that? Lynx is very nice, but unfortunately it cannot handle graphics. Is there a graphic browser that does _not_ require X? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:49:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wombat.bytecraft.au.com (wombat.bytecraft.au.com [203.39.118.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892D137B419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lt99101401.bytecraft.au.com (unknown [203.39.118.42]) by wombat.bytecraft.au.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 249833F72; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:49:47 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c178aa$67d6fa40$2a7627cb@bytecraft.au.com> Reply-To: "MurrayTaylor" From: "MurrayTaylor" To: Cc: "Archie Cobbs" Subject: PPTP, modems and mpd-netgraph Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:49:41 +1100 Organization: Bytecraft Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can the mpd-netgraph system support pptp via a modem connection? I have pptp running on our main box via the frame relay link... and the road worriers love it.. and I am assuming that it can be done via a modem link ... Doing a wild stab in the dark, am I right in thinking that the steps are to setup the modem bundle AND the pptp bundle and then load mymodem load mypptp So that when I dial in, I get the modem and whatever IP numbers this bundle assigns, THEN I fire up the vpn stuff on the laptop and get the pptp bundle doing its stuff..? Murray Taylor Bytecraft Systems Pty Ltd email: murraytaylor@bytecraftsystems.com web(s): www.bytecraftsystems.com www.bytecraftentertainment.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:51: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gw.one.com.au (gw.one.com.au [203.18.85.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D458A37B41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from one.com.au (pmo.local [10.18.85.2]) by gw.one.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA04236 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:50:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from raymond@one.com.au) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:50:45 +1000 (EST) From: User Raymond Message-Id: <200111290750.RAA04236@gw.one.com.au> Subject: FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and vid-1.0.1 Subj: FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and vid-1.0.1 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am attempting to use a D-Link DSB-C300 USB camera with the vid-1.0.1 package. Nothing seems to happen with "vid" and when I interupt it the machine locks up (no mouse movement, ping works, can't telnet in). Question is: Is vid-1.0.1 known to work on FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE with a D-Link DSB-C300 USB camera? Ray Newman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 28 23:55:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C7137B417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0EF3E66B27; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:55:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:55:18 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup Errors Message-ID: <20011128235518.A54179@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from patron1@paganlibrary.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:23:06PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:23:06PM -0800, Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold wrote: > I recenly setup a router and before i call the cable company, I want to s= et=20 > it up with my current dial-up connection. >=20 > The router is an SMC Barricade with a Creative Labs Modemblaster connecte= d.=20 > This same modem used to be connected directly to my FreeBSD 4.4-R box. > TreeList failed: Network write failure: Connection timed out > Will retry at 21:25:29 >=20 >=20 > This happens with both cvsup7 and cvsup8. Help! Before I switched the mod= em=20 > to the router everything worked perfectly. Mail, FTP, web, etc all work= =20 > beautifully. Just not cvsup. >=20 Well, um, there's something wrong with your router configuration then. Kris --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BenmWry0BWjoQKURAt1dAJ97FfYeY44uP23n93ZBAN+Z9WEqsACg2/3L YPYUcK2AM+pMzBhwLupxQV0= =uk7s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0: 0:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ralf.artlogix.com (sense-mcglk-240.oz.net [216.39.168.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4A237B405 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by ralf.artlogix.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A26B1B9C62; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:00:52 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) References: <01cb01c17896$abb81500$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3797.208.216.122.52.1007014935.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> <020c01c178a1$bea114e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: Ken McGlothlen Date: 29 Nov 2001 00:00:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: <020c01c178a1$bea114e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Message-ID: <87n116huq4.fsf@ralf.artlogix.com> Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Look, folks, Anthony only responds to people he thinks he can argue with; he's entirely ignored a lot of folks with good points. He's not interested in discussion, he wants an argument, and while I know that would be a great lead-in to a Python reference, this isn't the best place for it. Can we let it drop? He's a troll. I've noted that, and I plan on ignoring him from here on out. Can we move on now? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0: 2:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831EE37B416 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fAT82TN15211; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:02:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01b501c17891$a5f56b40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:02:53 +0100 (CET) From: Micke Josefsson To: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: As usual, I disagree. Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, matthew@starbreaker.net Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29-Nov-2001 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Matthew writes: > [snip] > > Windows is not intended to be a secure system. The security requirements of > desktop systems are very modest, since they should normally be behind > firewalls. > I beg to differ here. Any system that is going to be used today must have a high security level. Specially so, since a dominating system, such as windows, will have to deal, not only with games, but with more or less confidential data. Not all companies enjoy seeing their internal documents distributed freely via email. So, while perhaps not intended to be a secure system - it should be! Firewalls do a bit of the job but they cannot do everything needed to protect an internal net. The "local" security of the individual client machines also matter. There is no way to get around that. Any security flaw inside any computer is going to be exploited sooner or later. FreeBSD or Windows! >> Windows insists on abstracting everything from >> the user, so that the user is mostly insulated >> from the consequences of her actions. > > That's exactly what most Windows users prefer. Until their box crashes mysteriously. Granted, many users don't mind reinstalling the lot, but I cannot get past a feeling that there must be something seriously wrong with that approach. > >> If I need to get under the hood for any reason, >> even to indulge my curiosity, then I have to >> get past all the bondage and discipline built >> into Windows. > > Most users never want to get under the hood. True. That is why FreeBSD uses root versus any other user for administrative tasks. "Normal users" should not need to have any knowledgde of what is going on inside the computer - below KDE or whatever - they should only have to deal with the programs they need, to get their work done. Tinkering with the system is a root-issue. With windows, users can easily install any (crappy) old software and make the system unstable or worse. For a home/game-box this is OK by me, but for serious work I find this totally unacceptable. I realise that that the proliferation of the windows desktop make computers easier to handle for many, but at the cost of what? A properly setup FreeBSD box is also easy to use for the normal tasks: opening/sending emails, starting a word processor, enter data into spreadsheets etc. A recent swedish survey concluded that 2 work-hours every week per person on an average is lost due to computers malfunctioning in some way or another. Why is it that BSODs are so known? Because they appear too often! > [snip] > >> Installing or removing even the most trivial >> applications requires proprietary automated >> tools like InstallShield because of the >> Registry, a beast nasty enough to make Great >> Cthulhu look as cuddly as a kitten in a basket. > > Yes, but from a user standpoint, it is much more ergonomic than in UNIX. Is a registry such a bad idea really? /var/db/pkg is a good thing but a more general approach could very well be beneficial to FreeBSD as well? Of course when it breaks that is not good, but there should be strategies with backups and such. > >> Quite frankly, dealing with Windows on a home >> desktop, or even a work desktop, is more >> aggravation than most of us get paid for. > > You are projecting the attitudes of many IT professionals onto the user > community at large. But only a very tiny fraction of Windows users--and > desktop users in general--works in IT. But many of the users still suffer from the deficiencies built right into the system. On numerous occasions have I had to help out users with both minor and major tasks that were sooo easily done in FreeBSD and sooo difficult in windows. Most of them only emplyed some sed - and a little bit of awk on the command line. Perhaps my background has helped me there a bit, but doing these tasks in windows just seemed not likely. > > Most of the characteristics you see as drawbacks are seen as advantages by the > huge majority of non-IT users. > >> Frankly, it sounds like you're religiously >> devoted to Windows on the desktop. > > Not religiously devoted, just objective enough to recognize that Windows is > the best desktop solution at this time. I always found that the WPS in OS/2 was the more easy to use GUI. I find it much, much, much better than any X-ish windowmanager I have come across and much, much, much smoother than the Windows GUI. (Bordering to religion here...) > >> When I argue that FreeBSD is better for desktop >> use than Windows, I argue from roughly five >> years of self-taught experience. > > Why don't you argue that FreeBSD is better for server use? It is. Too. > At least then you > are not fighting a losing battle. Or must FreeBSD be used for _everything_ in > order to satisfy you? No. But it can (and IMHO, should) be used more than it is today. Some shops will definately benefit from Windows but many would do better or equal using FreeBSD. >[snip] >> To begin with, a significant portion of the >> 100K apps you mention are games. > > So? The purpose of a computer is to do what its user wants it to do. Lots of > users like to play games. Which is exactly where Windows fits in. For work however, FreeBSD is an alternative. (read that sentence the way I meant it....:) > >> Many of the others are either shareware or >> freeware ... > > Just like FreeBSD? > >> ... much of it as bug-ridden as a 30-year old >> hooker from Queens. > > Are you saying that freeware is likely to contain bugs? What does this imply > for FreeBSD, then? > >> I think it'd be fair to say that the average >> Windows user might use 100 out of the 100K >> Windows apps you mention. > > And in many cases, not a single one of those 100 applications exists in a UNIX > version. > >> Most of these apps have BSD (or GNU/Linux) >> counterparts that are free as in beer if not >> free as in speech. > > "Counterparts" aren't good enough. When you need to exchange Microsoft Word > files with someone, you need Microsoft Word, not just any generic word > processor. > >> Quite frankly, there's no reason for formatting >> a document using MS' proprietary *.DOC format >> when they look just as good in properly formatted >> HTML. Hear, hear! There is nothing that makes proprietary document formats automatically superior. The world would be better off with open standards on documents. I don't really see why Microsoft don't let the specs out for the .DOC-format. If the format is good and widely accepted they would still sell MS Word. > > I suggest that people send me documents in PDF. Mee too. Or plain postscript. > >> Now, if I went by market figures, I could conclude >> that the Backstreet Boys are a better band than >> Iron Maiden They most emphatically are not. Maiden rulez! >, and the Britney Spears is a better >> singer than Sarah Brightman. > > I'm not familiar with any of these persons or organizations, so I cannot > comment. > >> Now, why should people put up with the security >> holes and the general incompetence surr > > What? > > Anyway, most desktop users care nothing about security. Until virii strikes again, and again, and again, ... 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WHAA/kVwAPw2cAD+KXAA+BxwAPz2cAD+GQAAAAAAAP4BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD8QgAAAAAAAAAA /l/9D/3yCg== --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:19:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97AE37B620 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAT8Ihx02486; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:18:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <023501c178ae$76162550$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Micke Josefsson" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: As usual, I disagree. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:18:43 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Micke writes: > Any system that is going to be used today must > have a high security level. Careful ... you risk locking UNIX out of the picture if you insist on really high security. Anyway, desktops don't need security any more than a person's wallet needs security in his own home. And even if you provide it, people won't use it. > Any security flaw inside any computer is > going to be exploited sooner or later. > FreeBSD or Windows! Well, Windows NT wins for security, if that's what matters. Windows 9x is no better than FreeBSD (somewhat worse, actually). > Until their box crashes mysteriously. Crashes usually are not frequent enough to be an issue. > Granted, many users don't mind reinstalling > the lot ... I've encountered users who reinstall several times a month, and consider reinstallation a reasonable way to deal with problems. I can't imagine what they do that is useful with their machines, since useful work tends to be difficult to carry out when you rebuild the machine from scratch every two weeks. > ... but I cannot get past a feeling that there > must be something seriously wrong with that approach. Agreed. See above. > With windows, users can easily install any > (crappy) old software and make the system unstable > or worse. Only on Windows 9x. On NT/2000, you must log on as an administrator to install many types of software. > I realise that that the proliferation of the windows > desktop make computers easier to handle for many, > but at the cost of what? The cost is pretty low. It does tend to homogenize the user base and give dominant products an edge, and it requires more hardware, and there are a few other disadvantages--but overall, it's the best deal for the average user. Just look at AOL. > A properly setup FreeBSD box is also easy to use for > the normal tasks: opening/sending emails, starting a > word processor, enter data into spreadsheets etc. And who is going to properly set it up? > A recent swedish survey concluded that 2 work-hours > every week per person on an average is lost due to > computers malfunctioning in some way or another. Why is > it that BSODs are so known? "Malfunctioning in some way or another" does not equate to a BSOD. A lot more time would be lost by average users in working with FreeBSD (or any other flavor of UNIX) than in working with Windows, for equivalent output. Of course, some users live just to play around and deal with malfunctions ... for those users, there is Linux. > Is a registry such a bad idea really? I don't know. It's a single point of vulnerability, and if it is opaque, you need special interfaces to deal with it (and if these fail, you're out of luck). I think it's a wash, myself. However, on FreeBSD, at least I can worry a bit less about damaging the entire system if I accidentally change one file. > /var/db/pkg is a good thing but a more general > approach could very well be beneficial to FreeBSD > as well? I'd be extremely cautious about moving in that direction. That's how Windows ended up where it is today. The problem with friendly, automated interfaces is when they don't work. And it takes a lot of effort to build an inteface such that it never fails to work. > On numerous occasions have I had to help out users > with both minor and major tasks that were sooo > easily done in FreeBSD and sooo difficult in windows. And never vice versa? > I always found that the WPS in OS/2 was the > more easy to use GUI. If you prefer FreeBSD, this is understandable. OS/2 looked way too much like MS-DOS for my tastes, even though it wasn't. > No. But it can (and IMHO, should) be used more > than it is today. Some shops will definately benefit > from Windows but many would do better or equal > using FreeBSD. For servers, that is certainly true. For desktops, I have serious doubts. > The world would be better off with open standards on > documents. That already exists, in the form of PDF (and PostScript). > I don't really see why Microsoft don't let the > specs out for the .DOC-format. Because the specs change from one release to the next. The .DOC format is a terribly poor way to exchange documents, and additionally it carries the danger of viruses. > Mee too. Or plain postscript. PS sometimes doesn't render as intended, depending on how you have your rendering software set up. PDF is a stripped descendant of PS that leaves little room for alternate interpretation, so a document prepared with PDF looks pretty much identical no matter where you display or print it. > Until virii strikes again, and again, and again, ... > They realize that they should have thought about it. But they continue to open attachments. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:43:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F4D37B429 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.247.138.241.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.138.241] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169Ml5-0005LP-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:41:27 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAT8fOG07266; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:41:22 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: brain_damaged Cc: freebsd-questions , imgate Subject: Re: using MAIL command to send messages and copies of logs. Message-ID: <20011129004122.P3985@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <200111281422.AA309461118@florida-wireless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111281422.AA309461118@florida-wireless.com>; from brain_damaged@florida-wireless.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:22:35PM -0500 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:22:35PM -0500, brain_damaged wrote: > Hello FreeBSDers, > I was looking at the mail command to mail some logs > or info out. > Reading the man pages is somewhat informative but > lacks so my guessing is it goes something like this > ka sa ra sa ra life is ooops :-) > i mean > mail -s "subject if spaces are used" user@domain.com > > if i want to add a second or third receiptent > > mails -s "subject matter" user@domain.com -c user2@domain.com > if i put a third do i use a ; or a ' or a space to seperate ? > > to read in a log file to send to abuse@noc.net > > mails -s "hack attempts" abuse@domain.net -c me@mydomain.com ~r /var/log/messages > > am i clos on any of them. $ mail -s "hack attempts" -c me@mydomain.com abuse1@domain1.net abuse2@domain2.net abuse3@domain3.net < /var/log/messages Will send the contents of /var/log/messages to buse1@domain1.net, abuse2@domain2.net, and abuse3@domain3.net, and send a CC to me@mydomain.com. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:44:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FADB37B421 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.247.138.241.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.138.241] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169MoR-0006AB-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:44:55 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAT8iqx07277; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:44:52 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: web@3dresearch.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NIC settings lookup Message-ID: <20011129004452.Q3985@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <00b101c16b64$454a8da0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com>; from web@3dresearch.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:36:38AM -0500 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:36:38AM -0500, web@3dresearch.com wrote: > I wondered if you could help: How do I look up my network card settings: > Port address, IRQ etc. on a running FreeBSD 4.4 system? $ grep /var/run/dmesg.boot -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:46:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAC037B41F for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.247.138.241.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.138.241] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169Mpb-0002zm-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:46:07 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAT8k5W07319; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:46:05 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Martin G. McCormick" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: idletime is being idle. Message-ID: <20011129004605.R3985@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <200111281609.fASG9BY32865@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111281609.fASG9BY32865@dc.cis.okstate.edu>; from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:09:11AM -0600 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:09:11AM -0600, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > I just setup a new class called automation and one of the > reasons for doing so was to catch the occasional malfunctioning > expect script and kill its processes if it didn't happen to end > properly. > > I put the following lines in the login.conf file in the > section for the automation class: > > :idletime=45s:\ > > If I log in to the account which is in that class, I > don't get dumped after 45 seconds. I don't seem to time out at > all, as if the idletime directive wasn't there. It doesn't actually do anything. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:49:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCDF37B41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.247.138.241.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.138.241] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169Mse-0003We-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:49:16 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAT8nEQ07333; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:49:14 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Ylitalo Juha . O" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ssh agent forwarding with FreeBSD and Linux... Message-ID: <20011129004914.S3985@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20011128143703.D1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011128143703.D1623@jylitwork.lnx.nokia.com>; from juha.o.ylitalo@nokia.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:37:04PM +0200 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:37:04PM +0200, Ylitalo Juha . O wrote: > I think I have found funny problem, but I don't know where I should > report about it or if someone would have solution for it. To summarize > it, ssh authentication agent forwarding doesnt seem to work in ssh > protocol 2 > > To give you complete picture about situation, we probably should start > with more detailed information about environment. It consists one > RedHat Linux 7.1 (openssh 2.9p2) and FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE (openssh > 2.3.0). Nope, forwarding in SSH2 was not implemented in OpenSSH for a long time. I don't think it was yet implemented in 2.3.0. It is in 2.9. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 0:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com (mta01bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6AE37B416 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from wskatinka ([144.135.24.72]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNK0S900.B8J for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:55:21 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-173-147.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.173.147]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0e 11/170964); 29 Nov 2001 18:48:37 Message-ID: <04f001c178b3$4e968150$fe00a8c0@wskatinka> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: Subject: Viruses Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:53:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Is it just me or are we getting lots of viruses ???? I have counted atleast 20 in the last 2 days :o( Regards, Kat. ____________________________________________________________________________ /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. 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majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1: 2:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (kundera.3dresearch.com [209.195.180.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3808637B420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bosch.3dresearch.com (bosch.3dresearch.com [209.195.180.12]) by smtp.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36753664 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:02:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129035205.0377a4a0@imap.3dresearch.com> X-Sender: janos@imap.3dresearch.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:02:17 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: web@3dresearch.com Subject: Re: NIC settings lookup In-Reply-To: <20011129013921.B10805@northernbrewer.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com> <00b101c16b64$454a8da0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20011129013255.056e3760@imap.3dresearch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:39 AM 11/29/2001, you wrote: >web@3dresearch.com (web@3dresearch.com) wrote: > > > I wondered if you could help: How do I look up my network card settings: > > Port address, IRQ etc. on a running FreeBSD 4.4 system? > >ifconfig shows (and allows you to configure) your network card settings. > >You can get the IRQ from dmesg. > >-- >Christopher Farley >www.northernbrewer.com Thank you all - however, I'm still missing something. From dmesg I get: ed0 at port 0x300-0x31f iomem 0xd8000 irq 3 drq 0 on isa0 ed0: address 00:80:c8:2c:ef:dd, type NE2000 (16 bit) I want to reinstall this machine anew, so I boot from floppy and get into sysinstall. I then change the port to 0x300 and IRQ to 3 for the NE2000. However, the network card doesn't show up - any ideas why? Janos Dohanics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1: 8:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA837B42A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fAT97wN18639; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:07:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <023501c178ae$76162550$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:08:23 +0100 (CET) From: Micke Josefsson To: Anthony Atkielski Subject: Re: As usual, I disagree. Cc: matthew@starbreaker.net, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29-Nov-2001 Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Micke writes: > >> Any system that is going to be used today must >> have a high security level. > > Careful ... you risk locking UNIX out of the picture if you insist on really > high security. > > Anyway, desktops don't need security any more than a person's wallet needs > security in his own home. And even if you provide it, people won't use it. I feel much more comfortable with FreeBSD than with Windows, securitywise. But you have already gathered that, I guess... > >> Any security flaw inside any computer is >> going to be exploited sooner or later. >> FreeBSD or Windows! > > Well, Windows NT wins for security, if that's what matters. Windows 9x is no > better than FreeBSD (somewhat worse, actually). > >> Until their box crashes mysteriously. > > Crashes usually are not frequent enough to be an issue. > >> Granted, many users don't mind reinstalling >> the lot ... > > I've encountered users who reinstall several times a month, and consider > reinstallation a reasonable way to deal with problems. I can't imagine what > they do that is useful with their machines, since useful work tends to be > difficult to carry out when you rebuild the machine from scratch every two > weeks. > >> ... but I cannot get past a feeling that there >> must be something seriously wrong with that approach. > > Agreed. See above. > >> With windows, users can easily install any >> (crappy) old software and make the system unstable >> or worse. > > Only on Windows 9x. On NT/2000, you must log on as an administrator to > install > many types of software. > >> I realise that that the proliferation of the windows >> desktop make computers easier to handle for many, >> but at the cost of what? > > The cost is pretty low. It does tend to homogenize the user base and give > dominant products an edge, and it requires more hardware, and there are a few > other disadvantages--but overall, it's the best deal for the average user. > Just look at AOL. > >> A properly setup FreeBSD box is also easy to use for >> the normal tasks: opening/sending emails, starting a >> word processor, enter data into spreadsheets etc. > > And who is going to properly set it up? root! I run some 50 boxes dual boot win/FBSD. I set them all up and after some iterations they seem to work as intended. All but one are for desktop use by others. > >> A recent swedish survey concluded that 2 work-hours >> every week per person on an average is lost due to >> computers malfunctioning in some way or another. Why is >> it that BSODs are so known? > > "Malfunctioning in some way or another" does not equate to a BSOD. Correct. I heard the survey on the radio, I haven't been able to get it proper. I would be an interesting read. > A lot more time would be lost by average users in working with FreeBSD (or any other flavor of UNIX) than in working with Windows, for equivalent output. Hmm. Perhaps. But much of the work done in any job is word processing, and the tools exist for that also in the Unix domain. > Of course, some users live just to play around and deal with malfunctions ... > for those users, there is Linux. My coworker uses linux. Still, after several years, I have a definite feeling that he deals much more with lib-this and lib-that that is needed to get the programs running. > >> Is a registry such a bad idea really? > > I don't know. It's a single point of vulnerability, and if it is opaque, you > need special interfaces to deal with it (and if these fail, you're out of > luck). > I think it's a wash, myself. However, on FreeBSD, at least I can worry a bit > less about damaging the entire system if I accidentally change one file. > >> /var/db/pkg is a good thing but a more general >> approach could very well be beneficial to FreeBSD >> as well? > > I'd be extremely cautious about moving in that direction. That's how Windows > ended up where it is today. > > The problem with friendly, automated interfaces is when they don't work. And > it takes a lot of effort to build an inteface such that it never fails to > work. I shouldn't need to be automated/cryptic. /etc/defaults/rc.conf contains a myriad of settings and is still legible - sort of. >> On numerous occasions have I had to help out users >> with both minor and major tasks that were sooo >> easily done in FreeBSD and sooo difficult in windows. > > And never vice versa? In fact no. To keep the records straight I have to admit that I also use Windows but mostly when adminning it and to get pictures downloaded from my PalmPix camera. Sure, there are applications that only exist in the windows world but I can often live on happily without them. (Still looking for a tiny BRIEF-editor clone for BSD, and that is a DOS survival) > >> I always found that the WPS in OS/2 was the >> more easy to use GUI. > > If you prefer FreeBSD, this is understandable. OS/2 looked way too much like > MS-DOS for my tastes, even though it wasn't. But the GUI is marvellous. You can even copy between several directories simultaneously and start other apps at the same time. Windows more or less locks up during a single copy-ing. > >> No. But it can (and IMHO, should) be used more >> than it is today. Some shops will definately benefit >> from Windows but many would do better or equal >> using FreeBSD. > > For servers, that is certainly true. For desktops, I have serious doubts. My "50 box experience" supports my statement. For the average user I would love to see statistics. My users are university students. > >> The world would be better off with open standards on >> documents. > > That already exists, in the form of PDF (and PostScript). > >> I don't really see why Microsoft don't let the >> specs out for the .DOC-format. > > Because the specs change from one release to the next. The .DOC format is a > terribly poor way to exchange documents, and additionally it carries the > danger of viruses. Still it keeps coming. I have come to regard the doc-format as encrypted and if staroffice can't cope I generally drop it. Unless it appears to be VERY important. BTW, I have grown a liking towards RTF since when I discovered how easy it was to edit the raw data. > >> Mee too. Or plain postscript. > > PS sometimes doesn't render as intended, depending on how you have your > rendering software set up. PDF is a stripped descendant of PS that leaves > little room for alternate interpretation, so a document prepared with PDF > looks pretty much identical no matter where you display or print it. I use Lyx and its pstopdf conversion a lot and I am not really happy with the conversion. Perhaps it is the free implementation that is not up to scratch, but similar results also come from Adobe Distiller on our Solaris system. > >> Until virii strikes again, and again, and again, ... >> They realize that they should have thought about it. > > But they continue to open attachments. Amazingly they do! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- Michael Josefsson, MSEE mj@isy.liu.se This message was sent by XFMail running on FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:14:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wwweasel.geeksrus.net (wwweasel.geeksrus.net [64.67.200.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661C37B41E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alane@localhost) by wwweasel.geeksrus.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAT9Ds137286 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:13:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from alane) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:13:54 -0500 From: Alan Eldridge To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: packages-4-stable updates Message-ID: <20011129041354.A37216@wwweasel.geeksrus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I didn't find this in handbooks or FAQ, but detailed ftp info is kinda sparse. :( How often are ports packages updated in the ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/packages directory? Or, maybe a better question is, "What's the trigger to update that directory?" E.g., right now they're a week behind bento's packages-4-full dir. -- Alan Eldridge #include free(sklyarov); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:24:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 389EA37B41B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19243 invoked by uid 100); 29 Nov 2001 09:24:45 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.65245.491684.81189@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:24:45 -0600 To: jayyness@mindspring.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not using Symbolic links correctly? In-Reply-To: <120462409@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jayyness@mindspring.com types: > Trying to use a symbolic link to give access to ftp users that are outside of ftpchroot directory. Read the man page and freebsddiary.org and thought I followed the directions correctly, but something isn't working right. Please wrap your text lines. I don't know what the freebsddiary.org pages say, but you can't have symlinks from inside a chrooted environment to outside of it. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:27:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C159537B425 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19309 invoked by uid 100); 29 Nov 2001 09:27:11 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15365.65391.233571.578799@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:27:11 -0600 To: Dairy Wall Limey Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: soft-updates In-Reply-To: <124858950@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dairy Wall Limey types: > i'm running freebsd 4.4 stable on two i386 boxes (my home and work > workstations). i setup soft updates on the /usr and /var partitions on > both, but while typing 'mount' shows the 'soft-updates' option, it > doesn't show syncronous vs asyncronous writes. is this normal? i > haven't really noticed an appreciable difference in performance when > doing stuff with heavy disk io either. If soft-udpates is enabled, async is ignored. In fact, the sync on a file system has three modes: sync, soft-udpates, and async. You might try mount -v to see if what you're looking for shows up for the /, though. > please cc me on reply (Mail-Followup-To should be set correctly), as i'm > not on the list anymore. That's sop on this list. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:33:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bdg.centrin.net.id (DialupBdg228-175.centrin.net.id [202.146.228.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414C837B41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by bdg.centrin.net.id (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C813D43; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:41:48 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:41:48 +0700 From: budsz To: george Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cant delete directory Message-ID: <20011129164148.B2204@bdg.centrin.net.id> Reply-To: budsz References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Fingerprint: A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304 X-Pub-keys: http://bdg.centrin.net.id/~budsan02/pubkey.txt X-Verify: MD5 (pubkey.txt) = 999274d3ae770caf0d77ce5796ed201e X-Uptime: 4:24PM up 1:52, 3 users, load averages: 0.58, 0.59, 0.32 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Organization: Kumprang X-Provide: Warnet & Game Network X-Address: Melong No 29 Bandung 40261 West Java Indonesia Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:46:57PM -0800, george wrote: >I am trying to delete a directory but it keeps giving me errors >see below >gateway# chflags -R noschg SysV >gateway# ll >total 1 >drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 SysV >gateway# rm -rf SysV >rm: SysV: Directory not empty >gateway# ls -la SysV >total 2 >drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 . >drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Aug 31 22:19 .. >gateway# Use option -rf for ex: #rm -rf direktori -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:35: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pro.net.id (hyperion.pro.net.id [202.150.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AA6537B42C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 70522 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 09:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BLUESTAR) (202.150.39.229) by hyperion.pro.net.id with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 09:32:36 -0000 From: "Thomas Wahyudi" To: "'Asep Ruspeni'" , Subject: RE: bandwidth speed test Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:34:26 +0700 Message-ID: <000001c178b9$0b80ae30$e52796ca@BLUESTAR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20011126134749.38550.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Use Mrtg to see your bandwitdh capability -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- hallo, my name is Asep Ruspeni my office connected to internet using "256 kbps", but i feel it much slower (even in holiday hour, say on sunday at 23.00) need some help : - is there any tools/commands i could use (especially in freebsd) to test the ACTUAL bandwidth i received from the ISP ? so the fact i could gain from this test will be the good reasons to change to another ISP. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:41:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F6C37B43A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8876D66B27; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:41:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:41:28 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alan Eldridge Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: packages-4-stable updates Message-ID: <20011129014128.A55393@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011129041354.A37216@wwweasel.geeksrus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011129041354.A37216@wwweasel.geeksrus.net>; from alane@geeksrus.net on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:13:54AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:13:54AM -0500, Alan Eldridge wrote: > I didn't find this in handbooks or FAQ, but detailed ftp info is kinda > sparse. :( >=20 > How often are ports packages updated in the >=20 > ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/packages > =20 > directory? Or, maybe a better question is, "What's the trigger to > update that directory?" >=20 > E.g., right now they're a week behind bento's packages-4-full dir. It's a manual process. The package collection is about 4.6GB thesedays, and that causes massive load on the downstream mirrors who have to download all 4.6GB, since the package files have all changed). kris --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8BgLIWry0BWjoQKURAhm6AKDfKCiNf1X2GNVo1xIRWrlkCyShVgCeKiUt pvpO/XzfZwyx9xXw78PIgas= =MnRB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:44:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wwweasel.geeksrus.net (wwweasel.geeksrus.net [64.67.200.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654F637B436 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alane@localhost) by wwweasel.geeksrus.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAT9hl837733 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:43:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from alane) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:43:47 -0500 From: Alan Eldridge To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Mailing lists increasingly victimized by spammers Message-ID: <20011129044347.A37644@wwweasel.geeksrus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm seeing a marked increase in spammers hitting the mailing lists I subscribe to... in particular, freebsd-ports and (not yours) the pykde list. In general, I report all UCE I receive (and all mail in Turkish, which I don't read, but seem to see a lot of) to Spamcop. Usually, the automated parser is pretty good at picking out the real offending addresses, and not messing with the mailing list itself. I try to manually make sure only addresses associated with the spammer actually get complaints, as well. What's the mailist-list admin POV re this infestation and sending reports of freebsd-* list spam to Spamcop? -- Alan Eldridge #include free(sklyarov); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 1:48: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from stjohn.stjohn.ac.th (stjohn.stjohn.ac.th [202.21.144.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0872437B436 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tulip ([203.151.134.104]) by stjohn.stjohn.ac.th (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09616; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:45:28 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011129164633.007a97b0@stjohn.stjohn.ac.th> X-Sender: mcrogerm@stjohn.stjohn.ac.th X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:46:33 +0700 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Roger Merritt Subject: Re: MS-Word (Was: Feeding the Troll) Cc: Marco Radzinschi In-Reply-To: <20011128225654.Q98706-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> References: <3438.208.216.122.52.1007006101.squirrel@y3k.shacknet.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:12 PM 11/28/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Microsoft Word is a pathetic excuse for a word processor. There are still >things that cannot be done in Word that could be done in Word Perfect for >DOS! Maybe so, but I can't think what kind of formatting you might have in mind -- obviously it's something I've never used. It might be something I'd like, but I have about everything I can use now and a whole bunch left over that I have no need for. But let me put the question this way. I use M$ Word to create a form letter for each one of our 120 students, twice a term, giving their grades. The grades themselves are kept in an Excel spreadsheet, which uses formulas to convert from a raw percentage score to a letter grade, and then to a numerical grade from 1 to 4, which is then multiplied by a value at the top of the column and summed at the end of the sheet to give me hours earned, Grade Point Average, etc. All these values are linked to my mail merge which also uses conditional fields to decide what to print depending on which alternative courses the student took. Now I won't say it was easy to get this all working, but now that it *does* work I can't afford to give it up. Can WordPerfect or any other word processor that you know about do the same job for me? As it is now it takes me an afternoon to enter all the grades and teachers' comments and the next morning I can give the head teacher the grades for all our students. I'd cheerfully drop Word, although I don't particularly dislike it, if I found a substitute. -- Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2: 2:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU (bigking.sinp.msu.ru [213.131.9.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0481837B43D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:02:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dima (helo=localhost) by SRDMAIL.SINP.MSU.RU with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 169O1b-000G8X-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:02:35 +0300 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:02:35 +0300 (MSK) From: =?KOI8-R?B?7c/U1MzYIOTNydTSycog4czFy9PFxdfJ3g==?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: SB16 problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, All I have a problem using my SoundBlaster (AWE32) I loaded two KLD's: # kldload /modules/snd_pcm.ko # kldload /modules/snd_sbc.ko == Nov 29 12:38:19 omega /kernel: ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range Nov 29 12:38:19 omega /kernel: sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,5 on isa0 == (ports are correct for me) And tried to play MP3 under x11amp. After that XFree has core dumped and kernel writes following: == Nov 29 12:41:23 omega /kernel: sigreturn: eflags = 0x13286 == I'm using RELEASE-4.4 Thank You! -- best regards, Dmitry Mottl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:10: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868BC37B421 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169O8g-000D7t-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:09:54 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.net, from userid 500) id A82251112; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:09:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:09:53 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email Etiquette on this list Message-ID: <20011129110953.A1059@raggedclown.net> References: <200111281441.AA430047422@cshore.com> <15365.16317.286173.652889@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15365.16317.286173.652889@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:49:17PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: > MATTHEW.GRAYBOSCH types: > > "In that case, why bother sending the previous writing *at all*? If > > people really want to read it, it's in the archives." > > > > The only time *I* want to bother with the archives is to avoid asking a question that has already been answered. I'd prefer to see what you're replying to as I'm reading your reply. > > Ack. Please teach your mail reader to wrap lines at a reasonable > length. Under 100 would be nice. Under 80 would be even nicer. > And < 72 would be perfect :) Some people have poor eyesight and need to use a larger type font. > I suspect most people agree with you. I suspect that most want to read > a discussion as a discussion, not a collection of paragraphs in > vaguely reverse chronological order. Taking that as a given, proper > etiquette - which you use to show your respect for the people you are > dealing with - is to edit the included message into a discussion. > I agree with this. I think there are two problems. One is editing a message intelligently to keep context, this is quite an art in itself. The second is when threads get too long and basically end up where no-one except the prinicipal protagonists of the discussion remember what the hell it was about in the first place. Recently a thread here reached more than 100 messsages. I stopped reading them but kept them out of curiosity to see how large the thread would grow. That is *way* too big, such discussions should be moved to a private or more appropriate place in my view. > Failing to do that is telling everying you don't think they - or > possibly your writing - are worth the effort involved in creating a > coherent document. Just dumping in the text of the message you are > replying to tells them you don't even think the disk space and network > bandwidth they are paying for is worthy of any consideration. > I think the usual exception to this would be a response to a very short message, when I think bottom posting is appropriate. Top-posting is counter-intuitive. The problem is what do you do if you are replying to a message that already contains top-posted replies ? > So if you can't take the time to turn the message you are sending into > a coherent document, at least be polite enough to spare us the burden > of the text that isn't worth your time to edit. > One other thing that can be helpful is if someone has mailed a message which is in very broken English and it is perhaps not quite obvious what is being asked. I think it can be worth the time to briefly paraphrase the question to make sure that you make it clear what question you think you are answering. This acknowledges that someone who has made the effort and struggled to put a question into English is sure he/she has been understood correctly...bearing in mind that reading a foreign language is a lot easier than writing in it (believe me I know!). -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:20:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from marble.dublin.wbtsystems.com (marble.dublin.wbtsystems.com [193.120.231.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BE637B4EC for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUNYA (SUNYA.dublin.wbtsystems.com [193.120.231.190]) (authenticated) by marble.dublin.wbtsystems.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fATAK6L27234; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:20:06 GMT From: "Barry Byrne" To: "Marco Radzinschi" , "Todd Reed" Cc: Subject: RE: Kill popd shell Script Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20011128174842.W97804-100000@mail.radzinschi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Todd: Even simpler, you could just do: killall popd Also, if you are using bourne shell or variants, the format for setting the variable is: variable=`ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5` Cheers, Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marco > Radzinschi > Sent: 28 November 2001 22:51 > > Hello: > > This would put it in a shell variable: > > set variable=`ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5' > > Also, you could simply kill it right away with: > > kill `ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5' > > (Note that the ` is NOT an apostrophe - it is the symbol on the ~ key) > > > Marco Radzinschi > > E-Mail: marco@radzinschi.com > AOL IM: CrackedBoy > > Running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 > 5:48PM up 17 days, 2:17, 1 user, load averages: 1.01, 1.00, 1.00 > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Todd Reed wrote: > > > I'm needing some help. I'm wanting to kill Popd before the > system shutdowns > > and I would like it to be automated like the httpd and mysqld. > If I run the > > command ps -a | grep popd | cut -c1-5, I get the PID. Is there > any way to > > get that varible into a shell script varible without having to > write it to a > > file then read from the file, then delete the file? Or am I going about > > this the wrong way? > > > > --Todd > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:26:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mip.co.za (puck.mip.co.za [209.212.106.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C0437B53A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from patrick (patrick.mip.co.za [10.3.13.181]) by mip.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA63653; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:24:48 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from patrick@mip.co.za) From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "Cliff Sarginson" , Subject: RE: Email Etiquette on this list Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:28:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011129110953.A1059@raggedclown.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Cliff Sarginson > Sent: 29 November 2001 12:10 > > One other thing that can be helpful is if someone has mailed a > message which is in very broken English and it is perhaps not > quite obvious what is being asked. I think it can be worth the > time to briefly paraphrase the question to make sure that you > make it clear what question you think you are answering. This > acknowledges that someone who has made the effort and struggled > to put a question into English is sure he/she has been > understood correctly...bearing in mind that reading a foreign > language is a lot easier than writing in it (believe me I know!). > nice suggestion! Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:26:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA4C37B41E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3616E2EF23 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:26:39 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATASVs46797 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:28:31 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fATASUV46789; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:28:30 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <008601c178b7$581c9120$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "Sergey V. Artjushkin" Cc: References: <3C052091.70205@caravan.ru> Subject: Re: get client ip from accept(2) ? Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:22:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Give us more lines from your program, especially it is interesting to see how do you define variables. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sergey V. Artjushkin Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: get client ip from accept(2) ? > I'm trying to find out the client ip that connects to this server. > But l_cliaddr structure is NULL after succesfull accept call. > As I understand from manuals in this structure must be client ip. > Where I'm wrong and how I can get this ip? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:33:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF137B43C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5942EFE6 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:33:02 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATAYtS46833 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:34:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fATAYsV46825; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:34:54 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <00e401c178b8$3cb9a700$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "Mauro Dias" Cc: References: <004001c17891$228950a0$0200a8c0@mdrjr.net> Subject: Re: Ethernet Problem. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:28:42 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Mauro Dias Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: Ethernet Problem. > The problem: > *ONLY* ethernet rl1 is slow i can't get more than 8Kbytes/s > Give output from dmesg about rl1 NIC, it looks like that your RL NIC can't correctly determine media type, but I am not sure here. I've got the same problems with RL some time ago. Nevertheless send output of dmesg for rl1 NIC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:38:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC4437B416 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fATAcNx02921; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:38:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <026801c178c1$f9761050$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Micke Josefsson" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: As usual, I disagree. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:38:23 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Micke writes: > root! I was talking about human beings, not user IDs. > But much of the work done in any job is word > processing, and the tools exist for that also > in the Unix domain. Most jobs involve applications other than word processing. Only secretaries do primarily word processing, and even they have other applications they must use. > But the GUI is marvellous. You can even copy > between several directories simultaneously and > start other apps at the same time. Windows more > or less locks up during a single copy-ing. Does it? I do exactly this all the time. No lockups thus far. > My users are university students. University students are in a class by themselves. Now I understand how you can get away with dual-boot machines. > Still it keeps coming. Microsoft Word is very widely used. > BTW, I have grown a liking towards RTF since > when I discovered how easy it was to edit the > raw data. RTF pales in comparison with PostScript. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 2:47: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.caravan.ru (mx1.caravan.ru [217.23.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750037B42B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from virscan (helo=mx1.caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with scanned-ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169OiR-000Lnn-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:46:51 +0300 Received: from zk-office.caravan.ru ([217.23.131.8] helo=caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 169OhL-000LZg-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:45:43 +0300 Message-ID: <3C0611D8.6090207@caravan.ru> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:45:44 +0300 From: "Sergey V. Artjushkin" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011128 X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrey Simonenko Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: get client ip from accept(2) ? References: <3C052091.70205@caravan.ru> <008601c178b7$581c9120$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Andrey Simonenko wrote: > Give us more lines from your program, especially > it is interesting to see how do you define variables. I'm already fix my trouble. Thanks to everybody who answer to my letter! I wrote code like this: socklen_t l_addrlen; struct sockaddr l_cliaddr; bzero(&l_cliaddr,sizeof(l_cliaddr)); /* printf("incoming connection on tcp 4444\n");*/ l_addrlen=sizeof(l_cliaddr); if ( (l_connfd = accept(l_fd,(struct sockaddr *) &l_cliaddr, &l_addrlen)) < 0) { log_error("accept error"); exit(0); } > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sergey V. Artjushkin > Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:36 PM > Subject: get client ip from accept(2) ? > > > > >>I'm trying to find out the client ip that connects to this server. >>But l_cliaddr structure is NULL after succesfull accept call. >>As I understand from manuals in this structure must be client ip. >>Where I'm wrong and how I can get this ip? -- With best regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sergey Artjushkin Network Operation Center (SKIV-RIPE) ISP "CARAVAN" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 3:29:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520F137B43B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:29:15 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 169PN8-0004rr-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:28:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:28:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: george Cc: questions Subject: Re: cant delete directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, george wrote: > I am trying to delete a directory but it keeps giving me errors > > see below > > gateway# chflags -R noschg SysV > gateway# ll > total 1 > drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 SysV > gateway# rm -rf SysV > rm: SysV: Directory not empty > gateway# ls -la SysV > total 2 > drwxrwxrwx 4 root wheel 512 Nov 28 19:15 . ^^^ This would indicate that there are two subdirectories of SysV. Or at least, it thinks there are. References to "." come from: 1 from the parent directory 1 from the "." entry itself 1 from each ".." entry in each subdirectory > drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Aug 31 22:19 .. > gateway# > > > > could it be corrupt or something? i been having hard disk problems lately > with this partition. It certainly looks like that; fsck ought to pick up problems like this, however. > fsck output donnt show anything bad. You might try fsdb(8). -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk "My army boots contain everything not in them." - Russell's pair o' Docs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 3:32:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8833137B425 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.8.68.130] (helo=plutonium.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #5) id 169PQj-0006mc-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:32:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0614A1.87528D25@plutonium.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:57:37 +0000 From: Sahar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: setting passive ftp for use with ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Presently, trying to install programs from ports fails. It begins to initiate a normal FTP connection and then fails because the PC in question is behind a firewall. How can I change the setting so that when using ports, only PASSIVE FTP is used by default Many thanks sahar uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 3:37: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1390937B439 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (eth0.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.0.1.184]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2569B2EF25 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:36:54 +0200 (EET) Received: (from root@localhost) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATBckJ47248 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.CHECKED; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:38:46 +0200 (EET) Received: from pm5149 (pm514-9.comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.18.54.109]) by comsys.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fATBckV47239; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:38:46 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <01f001c178c1$280c4ac0$6d36120a@comsys.ntukpi.kiev.ua> From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: "Sahar" Cc: References: <3C0614A1.87528D25@plutonium.co.uk> Subject: Re: setting passive ftp for use with ports Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:32:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: Sahar Newsgroups: lucky.freebsd.questions Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: setting passive ftp for use with ports > Presently, trying to install programs from ports fails. > It begins to initiate a normal FTP connection and then fails 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majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 3:49:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7565B37B439 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fATBmrR54899; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Andrew C. Hornback" , "Mike Meyer" Cc: Subject: RE: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:48:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c178cb$d105d880$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <017f01c1788c$8cb71d90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Anthony >Atkielski >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:16 PM >To: Andrew C. Hornback; Mike Meyer >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) > > > >No. I come from a non-religious point of view, and when one is not >encumbered >by religious faith in a particular platform or operating system, one tends to >see advantages and disadvantages of each system more clearly. I do >not worship >a FreeBSD god (nor a Windows god), so I do not feel frightened by the idea of >running two completely different operating systems for two entirely different >purposes. I choose the tool that fits the job. > You know I thought I might stay out of this one this time around, but this is getting just too disconnected from reality to tolerate. If anyone knows anything about the suitability of Windows to the desktop and FreeBSD to the server I ought to. Anthony, you have got to understand something before you continue on with this, that is the wide variation of computer usage in the world. Your arguing from a United States viewpoint in a world forum, and you don't understand it. Here in the US there is a very good reason that Windows is "more suited" to the desktop than UNIX is. This is that 80% of all business in the US are under the 100-employee mark, and to put it simply the vast majority of non-high-tech companies cannot afford to hire the top drawer IT administrators that can make an effective decision between using UNIX or using FreeBSD for either the server or the desktop. In fact, the majority of these companies don't even HAVE a network manager, and survive entirely on $50-per-hour consultants that work out of a '73 Ford Pinto and a cell phone. Even if network managers were plentiful at the prices they could afford to pay them, they wouldn't hire them as full time employees simply because most of these business just don't value Information Technology (IT) all that much. Now, when you have a company that regards IT as a necessary evil, something to try to spend as little money on as possible, (which most of these companies do) the absolute last thing they care about is suitability of the software they are running to their overall information infrastructure. The primary thing they care about is cost - and they can get El-Crapo PC computers for pennies down at K-Mart, which all used to come with Windows 98 loaded on them. Well, the $50-per-hour-Ford-Pinto consultants make most of their money off of these folks and since these companies all figure that if the consultant is at the site more than 2 hours he's robbing them blind, the consultants have learned how to go in, make as few changes as possible with the maximum number of bandaids, then get the hell out while they can still issue a bill that has a remote chance of being paid. So what it boils down to is that the reason that Windows is so suitable here is because we are flooded with the $50-per-hour-work-out-of-their-van Windows consultants, and these people can be used and abused by the majority of businesses who wouldn't let a network manager onto the payroll over their dead bodies, unless such network manger only worked 1/4 the time managing the network and 3/4 of the time running the cash register and asking "do you want fries with that?" In short, Windows is the CHEAPEST solution here in the US for most companies to get somthing slapped down in front of the user to be able to read E-mail and write a few wordprocessing documents - simply because for most companies, the costs are in the outside consulting support they have to grudgingly hire, rather than in the infrastructure, or software liscenses. In particular, although you will never get anyone to admit it, most of these companies have ONE Cd of Windows they bought and load it on ALL of the systems they have under the roof. To them the software cost for Windows is the same as it is for FreeBSD because they are blatently pirating the software. Overseas, though, things are much different. In many countries there is no real history of Windows usage, and do you know why that is? It's because the dominant commercial desktop OS for years and years was OS/2! Also, there's lots of countries where Windows has not been localized to that country. There is simply not this giant pool of idle Windows admins kicking around like there is here. Why do you think that they _had_ a BSDcon in Europe in 2001 and here the BSDcon that was supposed to happen in 2001 was washed down the drain? It's simple - overseas they are used to paying a lot more for Microsoft products than we are and I daresay that the total amount of piracy of Windows overseas (discounting Asia where piracy is an institution) in businesses is far less than here in the US. In short, the environment is totally different, and penetration of Windows is far less. Just look at the financial reports for any large domestic software vendor who has overseas sales broken out and you will see this. In summary, your arguing from a classic "tech" position where you simply don't take any of the financial/business/political issues into account, and so you are making the classic "tech" mistake where your putting far more emphasis on the technical merits of one system over the other. Such things are important to you so you think they are important to any business that runs software. Well, they AREN'T. Most of the computer market here in the US knows about as much about how their computers operate as most of the automotive market knows how their cars are bolted together. Thye buy the Microsoft dog food because it comes in a big fat economy-sized bag that's on sale with a coupon, instead of the FreeBSD dog food which 1 can costs the same and never goes on sale. They don't know or care that the Microsoft dog food is mostly shit-colored bread, while the FreeBSD dog food is real Meat and meat by-products. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 3:55:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825A137B421 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fATBtaR54924; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Bsd Neophyte" , "Anthony Atkielski" , Subject: RE: script-kiddie trap? Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:55:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c178cc$c211ea20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <20011128230524.14004.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bsd Neophyte >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:05 PM >To: Anthony Atkielski; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: script-kiddie trap? > > > >I don't want to keep them out really. Someone's been trying to harass me. > I am pretty sure I know who it is. This person doesn't really know much, >but they are trying to get in by using some stupid scripts. The epitome >of a push-button-hacker. > >I want to gather some evidence against them and submit it to their ISP. > If you want my $0.002 I would recommend you file a complaint immediately with their ISP without bothering with gathering evidence. If their ISP wants evidence then you can get it to them later. However, for all you know their ISP has already gotten multiple complaints from other people about their customer, and doesen't need confirmation that the person in question is being naughty. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4: 0:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gnome03.sovam.com (gnome03.sovam.com [194.67.1.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1850E37B435 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.190.98.116] ([195.190.98.116]:35844 "helo aol.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER: ) by gnome03.sovam.com with SMTP id ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:58:12 +0300 From: "Melnikov Andrey" <_m1973@online.ru> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_====" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 Message-Id: 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message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4: 3: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC9137B430 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fATC2sR54951; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ron Hensley" , "Dale Chulhan" , "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: RE: [OT] NewsFeeds Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:02:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c178cd$c6aaddc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <002101c1787d$f9ae7650$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ron Hensley >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:32 PM >To: Dale Chulhan; FreeBSD Questions >Subject: Re: [OT] NewsFeeds > > > >No matter what its expensive!!! > I have to disagree with some of this. As you say, a full "push" newsfeed is expensive both in terms of bandwidth and in terms of costs. But, you can set up a "sucking" feed quite cheaply using a dynamic NNTP server like leafnode, or DNEWS or something like that. And there's no per-user cost as long as your upstream ISP runs a newsserver that allows sucking feeds. Leafnode for example appears identically as a newsreader client to the newsfeed, and the number of users that access it is invisible to the upstream feed. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4:13:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B2237B432 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:13:29 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:13:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sysinstall issues Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Message-ID: <3C05B5E8.28528.1639A58@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some time ago, I mentioned on the list some issues I had with sysinstall, including some stuff on my personal wish-list. Jordan indicated he would fix some of the obvious interface bugs, and as for some of the "additions" I probably needed to pitch-in to help them occur but I hadn't gotten around to it yet. Now I'm installing a new 4.4-RELEASE box, and I'm newly reminded of some of these things. List: - Using sysinstall in a first-time installation, after installing "pre-packaged software", I was left at a top-level menu of the list of packages, which I had already installed. The syntax here is confusing because after you have installed things, you now have 2 choices: "OK" (not sure what I'm OK'ing), which takes you to a submenu for whatever package group the cursor is resting on (not what I want, I want to escape), or "Install", which seems scary because it implies it's going to do everything over again. The correct choice happens to be "Install", assuming you haven't selected anything additional, after which you get an error saying "no packages were selected for extraction".. but it's way counter-intuitive. Only after receiving that "error message" do you get taken back to the previous menu. I'd say the simple addition of a 3rd option to the package install list ("Cancel" or "Exit") would solve the problem neatly. (INTERFACE BUG) - Sysinstall provides no indication of the size of chosen packages or distribution sets. I often feel like I'm driving blind here, not having any idea whether a chosen package or distribution will fill my disk to capacity before I even finish the install. (WISHLIST) - Sysinstall also provides no indication of package dependencies. I am constantly taken by surprise that some package I chose to install has a massive list of dependencies, in particular X-related packages which are useless to me when I (frequently) setup boxes without any sign of X-Windows. I believe it would be massively beneficial to indicate which packages/distributions rely on ie X-Windows (or other programs) during the selection process so we can avoid this mess. (In the latest case I have a feeling it was my unfortunate selection of "gtop" or "gnutop", which I assumed was just a GNU top command, but I think it installed tons of Gnome and other GUI stuff too) (WISHLIST) It seems to me that most of the data necessary to provide the above info to sysinstall is already in the packages themselves, certainly the dependencies. Perhaps the actual disk usage numbers aren't there, but maybe that's where I can help. I'm thinking perhaps what is needed is some type of secretarial work to compile a database, or perhaps a standard-formatted data file accompanying each package or distribution which contains the diskspace usage for each package once it's installed. (which can be summed with each of the figures for each dependency, assuming they are not yet installed, to provide a total) Since the sysinstall distributions/pre-packaged software install process seems to be only related to a particular full RELEASE, would this recordkeeping only need to be done for each full release? Assuming I'm willing to do a lot of the legwork and recordkeeping necessary, is this idea remotely interesting or am I just spewing newbie-trash? Best, Phil -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4:15:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9DB37B433; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fATCFLR54980; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: (no subject) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:15:21 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c178cf$844d33e0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of >Nyteckjobs@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:27 PM >To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; tedm@toybox.placo.com >Subject: (no subject) > > >The concept that "netgraph hooks" are a "leg up" on say, ETs drivers that >have integrated bandwidth management and prioritization, WAN bridging >support, load balancing and a probably 25% performance advantage is a bit >entertaining. Unless you need to do some convoluted encapsulation netgraph >is, aside from being appallingly non-standard to anything else in >the market, > not much of an "advantage", and its a poster child for the trade off of >"flexibility" versus performance. > >Lets face it. If you were going to sit down and design an interface >for frame >relay, multi-protocol support, etc, you'd have to be smoking >something pretty >strong to come up with netgraph. But its free and there is source, so it >must be great! > Well, let me give you something else to put in your pipe and smoke. :-) I've spent about $800 on a few WANic 4xx cards (used, I'll grant) precisely because source for the driver is available. I happen to not use them with Frame circuits so I used the HDLC in the driver. I have spent $0.00 on ET cards precisely because the driver code is unavailable. Now, as I've never used ET cards, I'll take your statement at face value that their drivers are superior to the WANic one. But, I'm not going to pick a superior binary-only driver over an inferior source-freely-available driver, if I have a choice. You may think this is screwy but it's how I feel. I'm glad that ET is out there selling cards to the FreeBSD community but I wouldn't spend money on them as long as a source-freely-available alternative was around. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4:20:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns33.tstt.net.tt (ns33.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EED337B41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27852 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2001 12:20:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.221.90) by ns33.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 29 Nov 2001 12:20:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3C06280A.77149DFF@uwi.tt> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:20:26 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [OT] NewsFeeds References: <000b01c178cd$c6aaddc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can I have directions as to setting this up on free BSD? > Leafnode for example appears identically as a newsreader > client to the newsfeed, and the number of users that access it is invisible > to the upstream feed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4:25:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from molly.intercom.net (molly.intercom.net [216.240.106.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D3137B420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cross (hh1105149.direcpc.com [206.71.105.149]) by molly.intercom.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fATCQRm4012483; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:26:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c178d0$c871b3b0$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" , "Dale Chulhan" , "FreeBSD Questions" References: <000b01c178cd$c6aaddc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: [OT] NewsFeeds Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:22:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > As you say, a full "push" newsfeed is expensive both in terms of bandwidth > and in terms of costs. > > But, you can set up a "sucking" feed quite cheaply using a dynamic NNTP > server like leafnode, or DNEWS or something like that. And there's no > per-user cost as long as your upstream ISP runs a newsserver that allows > sucking feeds. Leafnode for example appears identically as a newsreader > client to the newsfeed, and the number of users that access it is invisible > to the upstream feed. I agree, however when I had to find such a beast I couldnt find anyone who would provide one. UUNet for instance, one of the biggest news services out there, only offers full feeds, no suck feeds. If you know someone who already gets a full feed and will let you pull a suck feed from them, awesome, however at least when id been looking, I had a very hard time finding any commercial providers who offered them. Point well taken however! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAYom1Fb04N5DzUjEQIZWgCg41MgQ4RGgvxxuZMK+zxscYEB96wAnj1B vEkaK3mY9zY5uJ4iq95pmaIV =UpBZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 4:29:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B5D37B426; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 04:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 7FF0DCF; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:29:40 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Nyteckjobs@aol.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <20011129122940.B19084@tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Nyteckjobs@aol.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tedm@toybox.placo.com References: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14e.4d05ff7.29371325@aol.com>; from Nyteckjobs@aol.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:27:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:27:17PM -0500, Nyteckjobs@aol.com wrote: >=20 > The concept that "netgraph hooks" are a "leg up" on say, ETs drivers that= =20 > have integrated bandwidth management and prioritization, WAN bridging=20 > support, load balancing and a probably 25% performance advantage is a bit= =20 > entertaining. Unless you need to do some convoluted encapsulation netgrap= h=20 > is, aside from being appallingly non-standard to anything else in the mar= ket,=20 > not much of an "advantage", and its a poster child for the trade off of= =20 > "flexibility" versus performance. >=20 > Lets face it. If you were going to sit down and design an interface for f= rame=20 > relay, multi-protocol support, etc, you'd have to be smoking something pr= etty=20 > strong to come up with netgraph. But its free and there is source, so it= =20 > must be great! Please please please! Have you read the source code for netgraph? It may be unintentional on your part but the above paragraph reads like you've made an assumption about what netgraph is and how it works and have decided that it's inefficient and therefore of not much use. Netgraph is great, but not because it's free and there is source. It's great because conceptually it's like lego, and in effeciency it's very quick. Netgraph hooks in device drivers are extremely useful. Who's smoking anything? You or me? Joe --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwGKjMACgkQXVIcjOaxUBYUQQCeP80pu7YNirFKzuNcaMfyr6Dw Y7EAn3oWtYHhCirSZhg117KZqyslCCp+ =pNgX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 5: 2:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D6237B41F for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fATD1wR55110; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Ron Hensley" , "Dale Chulhan" , "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: RE: [OT] NewsFeeds Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003601c178d6$07317220$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <001501c178d0$c871b3b0$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ron Hensley >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:23 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Dale Chulhan; FreeBSD Questions >Subject: Re: [OT] NewsFeeds > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >> As you say, a full "push" newsfeed is expensive both in terms of bandwidth >> and in terms of costs. >> >> But, you can set up a "sucking" feed quite cheaply using a dynamic NNTP >> server like leafnode, or DNEWS or something like that. And there's no >> per-user cost as long as your upstream ISP runs a newsserver that allows >> sucking feeds. Leafnode for example appears identically as a newsreader >> client to the newsfeed, and the number of users that access it is >invisible >> to the upstream feed. > >I agree, however when I had to find such a beast I couldnt find anyone who >would provide one. You didn't look that hard then. :-) Cable and Wireless, one of the bigger backbones, offers them, see: http://infopage.cary.cw.net/Other_Services/News/pull.html >at least when id been looking, I had a very hard time finding any commercial >providers who offered them. > If they don't offer a PULL feed then ask if they have a newsserver that you can use a regular Windows news client with, like Outlook Express. That will work fine with Leafnode. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 5:49:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bunning.skiltech.com (bunning.skiltech.com [216.235.79.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF66D37B438 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from minter@localhost) by bunning.skiltech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATDn7r24604; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0500 (EST) From: "H. Wade Minter" X-X-Sender: minter@bunning.skiltech.com To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Allowing IPSec through FreeBSD/ipfw gateway Message-ID: <20011129083512.K23116-100000@bunning.skiltech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm trying to connect two Linux FreeS/WAN IPSec machines together. One lives out on the internet "at large", the other one is at my home on my private subnet, behind a RELENG_4 firewall using ipfw. My attempt at IPSec rules is: # Attempt to allow IPSec $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any in $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any out $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 500 in recv $extdev $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 500 out recv $intdev $fwcmd add allow log esp from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx out $fwcmd add allow log esp from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any in $fwcmd add allow ah from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx $fwcmd add allow ah from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the remote IPSec machine. These rules ALMOST work. When I start the Linux IPSec, I see: [root@greenbay root]# ipsec auto --up ncwise-minter 104 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I1: initiate 106 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I2: from STATE_MAIN_I1; sent MI2, expecting MR2 108 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I3: from STATE_MAIN_I2; sent MI3, expecting MR3 004 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I4: ISAKMP SA established 112 "ncwise-minter" #2: STATE_QUICK_I1: initiate And it hangs there. There's obviously one bit of traffic I'm not allowing back through. Here's a tcpdump on the local end: 08:41:46.810515 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: isakmp: phase 1 R ident: [|sa] (DF) 08:41:46.822671 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: isakmp: phase 1 I ident: [|ke] (DF) 08:41:46.835754 courthouse.lunenburg.org.domain > greenbay.lunenburg.org.32770: 55960 NXDomain* 0/1/0 (116) 08:41:47.056608 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: isakmp: phase 1 R ident: [|ke] (DF) 08:41:47.147461 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: isakmp: phase 1 I ident[E]: [|id] (DF) 08:41:47.562387 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: isakmp: phase 1 R ident[E]: [|id] (DF) 08:41:47.578860 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E]: [|hash] (DF) 08:41:57.572463 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E]: [|hash] (DF) If anyone can point out the last little bit I need, I'd appreciate it! --Wade -- Do your part in the fight against injustice. Free Dmitry Sklyarov! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ Fight the DMCA! http://www.anti-dmca.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 5:57:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3941A37B42B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from guinevere ([24.6.138.112]) by femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011129135754.XUPZ9527.femail48.sdc1.sfba.home.com@guinevere> for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:57:54 -0800 From: "J. Seth Henry" To: Subject: Network audio system Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, Has anyone on the list ever implemented a network audio server (NAS) setup on FreeBSD? Although I originally planned on exporting my MP3 files to a player machine in my living room, I have been toying with the idea of simply having it be a NAS server instead - so I can route more than just MP3's to it. I'm going to give it a go anyway, but I would appreciate any tips, hints or warnings. Thanks, Seth Henry jshamlet@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6: 8:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [207.8.42.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EE037B41D for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATE8Vw59388; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:31 -0600 From: Bob Willcox To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Courtney Thomas , Anthony Atkielski , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD Message-ID: <20011129080831.A25239@luke.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20011128091017.A89511@luke.immure.com> <000401c178a2$c3206600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000401c178a2$c3206600$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:54:59PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:54:59PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bob Willcox [mailto:bob@immure.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:10 AM > >To: Courtney Thomas > >Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Anthony Atkielski; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: SCSI tape back that works under FreeBSD > > > >One further note: In my experience the newer Mammoth Exabyte drives (I > >haven't tried a Mammoth2 yet) are _much_ better than all of the other > >8mm and 4mm drives that I have used. These have a higher capacity (a > > So, have you seen the new VXA drives that Exabyte bought from Ecrix? > (see http://www.exabyte.com/company/press/releases.cfm) they are > touted to be Mammoth-killers. No I haven't. But from Exabyte's press release that you pointed to, it sounds more like they will be positioning them to replace DDS (4mm) drives, not the Mammoths. Bob -- Bob Willcox Boucher's Observation: bob@vieo.com He who blows his own horn always plays the music Austin, TX several octaves higher than originally written. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:28:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from florida-wireless.com (mailserver.florida-wireless.com [208.62.145.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F1237B425 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:28:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:30:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200111290930.AA3014262910@florida-wireless.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "brain_damaged" Reply-To: To: , "freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: (OT) BADTRANS and clueless Windows-using little brothers. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Wanna get secure? Open a DOS prompt and type "FORMAT C:". Then >install BSD. >^..^< I did this then got zapped . adorebsd-0.34. So whats your point. ? maybe you should format your brother in law and install an intelligent one. I got 80 yr old customers that sound more intelligent then that. >"Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" unix geeks don't have sex. they have no clue what it is. there's no man for it. ROFLMAO !!!!! all in fun. relax. don't have a penguin. bd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:35:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smnolde.com (att-98-60-141.atl.mediaone.net [24.98.60.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FD137B41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.smnolde.com ([192.168.10.7] helo=bsd) by smnolde.com with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 169SHD-0009S2-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:34:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Nolde To: "H. Wade Minter" Cc: Subject: Re: Allowing IPSec through FreeBSD/ipfw gateway In-Reply-To: <20011129083512.K23116-100000@bunning.skiltech.com> Message-ID: <20011129093152.P95091-100000@bsd.smnolde.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Make your rules simpler without degrading the effectiveness of your firewall. I run natd on my firewall, but have these rules in place before the divert statement: ipfw allow ip from any to ${VPN} ipfw allow ip from ${VPN} to any where ${VPN} is the other enpoint of the VPN server. Try that and then get a little tighter once you sniff the traffic more. - Scott smacked into the keyboard previously by owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG: >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0500 (EST) >From: H. Wade Minter >To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Allowing IPSec through FreeBSD/ipfw gateway > >Hello, > >I'm trying to connect two Linux FreeS/WAN IPSec machines together. One >lives out on the internet "at large", the other one is at my home on my >private subnet, behind a RELENG_4 firewall using ipfw. > >My attempt at IPSec rules is: > # Attempt to allow IPSec > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any in > $fwcmd add allow udp from any to any out > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 500 in recv $extdev > $fwcmd add allow tcp from any to any 500 out recv $intdev > $fwcmd add allow log esp from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx out > $fwcmd add allow log esp from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any in > $fwcmd add allow ah from any to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > $fwcmd add allow ah from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to any > >Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the remote IPSec machine. These rules ALMOST >work. When I start the Linux IPSec, I see: > >[root@greenbay root]# ipsec auto --up ncwise-minter >104 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I1: initiate >106 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I2: from STATE_MAIN_I1; sent MI2, >expecting MR2 >108 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I3: from STATE_MAIN_I2; sent MI3, >expecting MR3 >004 "ncwise-minter" #1: STATE_MAIN_I4: ISAKMP SA established >112 "ncwise-minter" #2: STATE_QUICK_I1: initiate > >And it hangs there. There's obviously one bit of traffic I'm not allowing >back through. Here's a tcpdump on the local end: > >08:41:46.810515 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 1 R ident: [|sa] (DF) >08:41:46.822671 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 1 I ident: [|ke] (DF) >08:41:46.835754 courthouse.lunenburg.org.domain > >greenbay.lunenburg.org.32770: 55960 NXDomain* 0/1/0 (116) >08:41:47.056608 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 1 R ident: [|ke] (DF) >08:41:47.147461 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 1 I ident[E]: [|id] (DF) >08:41:47.562387 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp > greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 1 R ident[E]: [|id] (DF) >08:41:47.578860 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E]: [|hash] (DF) >08:41:57.572463 greenbay.lunenburg.org.isakmp > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.isakmp: >isakmp: phase 2/others I oakley-quick[E]: [|hash] (DF) > >If anyone can point out the last little bit I need, I'd appreciate it! > >--Wade > >-- >Do your part in the fight against injustice. >Free Dmitry Sklyarov! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ >Fight the DMCA! http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > Scott Nolde GPG Key 0xD869AB48 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:38:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smnolde.com (att-98-60-141.atl.mediaone.net [24.98.60.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26F837B444 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.smnolde.com ([192.168.10.7] helo=bsd) by smnolde.com with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 169SKd-0009SO-00; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:38:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Nolde To: Matthew Graybosch Cc: Rosenfeld <_familyrosenfeld@ig.com.br>, Subject: Re: Yay! A big steaming load of ASCII-turds! In-Reply-To: <200111282003.47571@starbreaker.net> Message-ID: <20011129093630.H95091-100000@bsd.smnolde.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew, If you look at all the recieved emails of this virus/worm then you'll notice that all the source email addresses begin with "_". I'd be sursprised if your email didn't bounce to _familyrosenfeld@ig.com.br. - Scott smacked into the keyboard previously by owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG: >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:05:05 -0500 >From: Matthew Graybosch >To: Rosenfeld <_familyrosenfeld@ig.com.br> >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Yay! A big steaming load of ASCII-turds! > >Did you have a question, or is this a new kind of spam? > >On Wednesday 28 November 2001 19:47, you wrote: >> --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== >> --====_ABC0987654321DEF_==== >> >> --====_ABC1234567890DEF_==== >> TVqQAAMAAAAEAAAA//8AALgAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >>AAAAAAAAAA p6MBhLioAWCnowHUoaUBbaejAVJpY2hsp6MBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >> AQBkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >> 4C5y > >[ rest of message snipped... ] >-- >Matthew Graybosch >http://www.starbreaker.net >GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 >"Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" > Scott Nolde GPG Key 0xD869AB48 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:46:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bunning.skiltech.com (bunning.skiltech.com [216.235.79.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E7C37B43A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from minter@localhost) by bunning.skiltech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATEkVN30393; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:46:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from minter) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: "H. Wade Minter" X-X-Sender: minter@bunning.skiltech.com To: Scott Nolde Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Allowing IPSec through FreeBSD/ipfw gateway In-Reply-To: <20011129093152.P95091-100000@bsd.smnolde.com> Message-ID: <20011129094514.Y30301-100000@bunning.skiltech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Scott Nolde wrote: > Make your rules simpler without degrading the effectiveness of your > firewall. I run natd on my firewall, but have these rules in place before > the divert statement: > > ipfw allow ip from any to ${VPN} > ipfw allow ip from ${VPN} to any > > where ${VPN} is the other enpoint of the VPN server. > > Try that and then get a little tighter once you sniff the traffic more. Adding that before my divert statement hung the FreeS/WAN connection earlier than the other rules did. :-/ The connection works if I dial up via mindspring, in case I didn't add that before. --Wade -- Do your part in the fight against injustice. Free Dmitry Sklyarov! http://www.freesklyarov.org/ Fight the DMCA! http://www.anti-dmca.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:48: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8930F37B428; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:48:01 -0800 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:48:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck T." To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: CPU fan control on laptops ? Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:48:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2001 14:48:01.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7E043C0:01C178E4] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently installed FreeBSD 4.4 on my Toshiba 440CDT laptop. The keyboard cover becomes quite warm after running for a few minutes. Under WinDoze the CPU fan speed varies depending on the CPU temperature. Apparently this is a software function, as I don't think the fan is coming on under FreeBSD. Is there something I need to configure to get the fan to come on ? I've searched the handbook and mailing lists, but I didn't find any mention of this issue. Thanks ! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:50:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.de (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3542E37B420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 169SWP-0005hh-08; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:50:41 +0100 Received: from Stardust.solsystem (520006897652-0001@[217.1.66.201]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 169SWJ-10tWYSC; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:50:35 +0100 Received: (from atlan@localhost) by Stardust.solsystem (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fATEpV755863 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:51:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from atlan) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:51:30 +0100 From: Ronny-Walter@t-online.de (Ronny Walter) To: FreeBSD Subject: encode .vob-files Message-ID: <20011129155130.A48135@Stardust.solsystem> Reply-To: Ronny Walter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Sender: 520006897652-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Servus, I want to encode a DVD using DivX. So i have the .vob-files and now i want to make them smaller. With Windows i use FlaskMpeg to do this. Is there a similar tool for FreeBSD? thanks Ronny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:51:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F7937B41F for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:27 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Message-ID: <3C05DAEE.4140.1F43C46@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of the devil here.. (see below) Can someone please tell me *why* installing the port of a simple command-line ping utility (mtr, otherwise known as Matt's traceroute) requires retrieving 30MB of Xfree86 files, compiling and installing, on a machine that doesn't run X? It seems to have something to do with "gmake", which is a dependency of mtr. Am I really *that* insane wanting to build BSD boxes without X, when simple command-line utilities like that force me to install all that stuff anyway? Phil Previously I wrote: > - Sysinstall also provides no indication of package dependencies. I > am constantly taken by surprise that some package I chose to install > has a massive list of dependencies, in particular X-related packages > which are useless to me when I (frequently) setup boxes without any > sign of X-Windows. I believe it would be massively beneficial to > indicate which packages/distributions rely on ie X-Windows (or other > programs) during the selection process so we can avoid this mess. (In > the latest case I have a feeling it was my unfortunate selection of > "gtop" or "gnutop", which I assumed was just a GNU top command, but I > think it installed tons of Gnome and other GUI stuff too) (WISHLIST) -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:51:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lorax.neutraldomain.org (dsl027-187-101.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.187.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7F037B442; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by lorax.neutraldomain.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CC969CEE2; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:51:32 -0800 From: Gabriel Rocha To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU fan control on laptops ? Message-ID: <20011129065132.D70269@neutraldomain.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from freebsdfan@hotmail.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:48:01AM -0800 X-ideology: "VIVERE LIBERE AUT MORI" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 29, at 06:48AM, Chuck T. wrote: | I recently installed FreeBSD 4.4 on my Toshiba 440CDT laptop. The keyboard | cover becomes quite warm after running for a few minutes. Under WinDoze the | CPU fan speed varies depending on the CPU temperature. Apparently this is a | software function, as I don't think the fan is coming on under FreeBSD. Is | there something I need to configure to get the fan to come on ? I've | searched the handbook and mailing lists, but I didn't find any mention of | this issue. It probably doesn't help you any, but at least on my laptops (T20 and 600X) the fan comes on when the laptop gets a little warm. Just starts going until the temp is acceptable again...--Gabe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 6:55:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.resfeber.se (Resfeber-gw.customer.internet5.net [195.66.48.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B3837B432 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from resfeber.se ([212.75.72.9]) by mail2.resfeber.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19943; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:53:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3C064BA7.2D308859@resfeber.se> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:52:23 +0100 From: Jon Molin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ronny Walter Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: encode .vob-files References: <20011129155130.A48135@Stardust.solsystem> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello Ronny, There's a tool I've used for linux that works fine, and i can't see why it shouldn't work for freebsd: http://yngwie.naken.cc/ /jon Ronny Walter wrote: > > Servus, > > I want to encode a DVD using DivX. So i have the .vob-files and now i > want to make them smaller. With Windows i use FlaskMpeg to do this. Is > there a similar tool for FreeBSD? > > thanks > > Ronny > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Nov 29 7:16:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from studserv.uni-leipzig.de (studserv.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2BF37B405 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bayta.home (Ab874.pppool.de [213.6.184.116]) by studserv.uni-leipzig.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21884 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:16:02 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bayta.home) by bayta.home with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 169Szj-0000JG-00 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:20:59 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 4.4 install hangs (PnP problem?) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:20:57 +0100 From: Matthias Hertel Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.4, but so far I haven't even made it into sysinstall. When I exit the kernel configuration, something goes wrong during kernel initialization and the system freezes before even getting to the "probing devices..." screen. When booting with `boot -v', here's what's left on the screen: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- fe0: not probed (disabled) ie0: not probed (disabled) lnc0: not probed (disabled) cs0: not probed (disabled) sn0: not probed (disabled) isa_probe_children: probing PNP devices adv1: Invalid baseport of 0x220 specified. Nearest valid baseport is 0x230. Failing probe. unknown:
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 = 7:33=20 PM
Subject: RE: Kermit (and pppd) =

I=20 do not understand why you would want to use Kermit with PPP. FBSD ppp = was=20 rewritten at 4.0 and no longer needs any kind of external modem dialer = software to make ppp connections using modems. I have read the man ppp = pages=20 in 4.4 and did not see any references to Kermit. First thing you need = to keep=20 in mind with FBSD is the documentation sucks big time. The man pages = are=20 almost always outdated. The man ppp in FBSD 4.4 still contains errors = even=20 though there has been 4 new releases since it=92s rewrite at 4.0. Even = the brand=20 new published version of the FBSD handbook section on user-ppp is = outdated=20 right from the printer with damp ink. Why don=92t you reword your = question=20 saying what your goal is. Like using a modem to dial your ISP, = accepting an=20 dial in call from a ms/windows box, connect a FBSD box to a second = FBSD box=20 using phone lines ECT ECT. To get help you have to say what PC make = you are on=20 and what version of FBSD you are running at a min.=20

 

Joe

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG=20 [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave = Raven
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 = 9:46=20 AM
To:=20 freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Kermit (and=20 pppd)

 

Hello=20 all,

 

    I=20 copied a few ppp scripts from the fBSD man pages and it uses kermit to = handle=20 the modem connections / whatever. I have created a /etc/ppp/pppserv = file=20 containing:

 

#!/bin/sh
ps ax=20 |grep pppd |grep -v grep
pid=3D`ps ax |grep pppd |grep -v grep|awk = '{print=20 $1;}'`
    if [ "X${pid}" !=3D "X" ] ;=20 = then
           = ;=20 echo 'killing pppd, PID=3D'=20 = ${pid}
          &nb= sp;=20 kill ${pid}
    fi
ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v=20 grep
pid=3D`ps ax |grep kermit |grep -v grep|awk '{print=20 $1;}'`
    if [ "X${pid}" !=3D "X" ] ;=20 then
        echo 'killing = kermit, PID=3D'=20 ${pid}
        kill -9=20 ${pid}
fi

 

# reset=20 ppp interface
ifconfig ppp0 down
#ifconfig ppp0 = delete
ifconfig=20 ppp0

 

#=20 enable autoanswer mode
kermit -y = /etc/ppp/kermit.ans

 

# run=20 ppp
pppd /dev/cuaa0 19200

 

 

 

My=20 kermit.ans contains:

 

set=20 line /dev/cuaa0
set speed 19200
set file type binary
set file = names=20 literal
set win 8
set rec pack 1024
set send pack 1024
set = block=20 3
set term bytesize 8
set command bytesize 8
set flow=20 none

 

pau=20 1
out +++
inp 5 OK
out ATH0\13
inp 5 OK
echo \13
out = ATS0=3D1\13   ; change this to out ATS0=3D0\13 if you want = to=20 = disable
          &n= bsp;        =20 ; autoanswer mod
inp 5 OK
echo \13
exit

 

 

This=20 should all work.

However, = when I run=20 the kermit -y kermit.ans I get these errors everytime it sends a=20 command:

 

[root@chaos=20 /etc/ppp]# sh pppserv
ppp0: = flags=3D8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu=20 1500
?Connection on /dev/cuaa0 is not open.
?Connection on = /dev/cuaa0 is=20 not open.
?Connection on /dev/cuaa0 is not open.
?Connection on=20 /dev/cuaa0 is not open.

 

?Connection on=20 /dev/cuaa0 is not open.
?Connection on /dev/cuaa0 is not=20 open.

 

Closing=20 /dev/cuaa0...OK
[root@chaos /etc/ppp]#

 

 

Any=20 ideas on why this would be happening?

 

Thanks=20 in advance

--Dave

OpteqSec

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C179DA.3CB96920-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:11:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C34D837B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 8580 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 10:11:45 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 10:11:45 -0800 X-Sent: 30 Nov 2001 18:11:45 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: *NIX Selection Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:11:39 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> In-Reply-To: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> Cc: "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011130181148.C34D837B419@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not far behind you. I've been using Linux for awhile. I've been using FreeBSD for my web and ftp server for a few months. Here's what I like about Linux over FreeBSD. With a distro like Mandrake, you are on the cutting edge of software. So, for a desktop, that is good. For a server, it might not be what you want. Here's what I like about FreeBSD over Linux. The documentation that comes with the FreeBSD or online at the FreeBSD website. The documented config files and /stand/sysintall and the man pages are nothing short of outstanding. I've used OpenBSD before, as well. The documentation for it is also outstanding. They have a file (I forget the name) that is like an overall README for the beginner designed for right after you install. It points you in the right direction. I also like the BSD style init instead of System V. In BSD, the startup scripts are alot more concise and easier to edit and find what you want. Something else that I did with FreeBSD just yesterday was set up an NFS server. Never having done it before, it took all of about 3-5 minutes. It was so easy. Just about 3 or 4 steps. 1. start /stand/sysinstall 2. tell it you want to set up an NFS server or client 3. it will automatically drop you into the correct config file to edit. All of the documentation and examples that you need are already in the config file. 4. Restart /etc/inetd with killall -HUP /etc/inetd Then, you just go to Linux and mount whatever partitions you set up. It's awesome. One more thing that I really like about FreeBSD is the ports tree. I'm still trying to figure out the difference between the ports and the packages (haven't read enough yet - the documentation is there, I just not had time to do more than scan it). But, what I've figured out so far is that if you want a program (ncftp for example), just go to /usr/ports/ftp/ncftp and type make install. It will install anything that you need that you don't have, plus the program you want (in this case, ncftp). Give yourself time to learn the differences between the jargon and I think you'll be glad you took the time. I'll probably keep running both for different purposes. But, I love FreeBSD. Good luck, Darren On Friday 30 November 2001 11:35 am, you wrote: > What more is there in BSD that's not in Linux? I am a Linux user since > some years and I would be interested to run BSD on my old machines. > > Thanks. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:12:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D02D37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUI43q01498; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:04:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111301804.fAUI43q01498@fac13.ds.psu.edu> To: "Kutulu" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Forcing MS mail clients not to mime [was:Email Etiquette on this list] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:29:36 EST." <00f801c1794f$3c9b6a00$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:04:03 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG kutulu kalled > From: "Sean LeBlanc" > > Use Vim with Mutt. Here's the relevant info in .muttrc: > > set editor="vim -c 'au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt* set ai et list set > > tw=72'" > > I also have this in my .vimrc: > > set textwidth=76 > Thanks muchly, this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm building vim as > I type this. :) You had me paniced for a moment; I thought you were using mutt to send these. But your header shows Outlook Express. I don't have X running yet today (I'm on a loaner machine). mh is unable read these, as it tries to launch an xterm for the mime--so I have to use less on the file. I don't used windows, and have never faced down outlook express or eudora. How do I explain to these people *how* they can stop sending messages in mime, or with html enabled??? hawk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:13:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709B37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from wn4-marvin.wn4.uni-karlsruhe.de (steele@wn4-marvin.wn4.uni-karlsruhe.de [172.20.12.211]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 169s9o-0004xn-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:13:04 +0100 Received: by wn4-marvin.wn4.uni-karlsruhe.de (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:13:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:13:13 +0100 From: "Benedikt Schmidt" To: "Richard E. Hawkins" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xf86Config (4.x) for Thinkpad A22m (from A21p) Message-ID: <20011130191313.A1784@wn4-marvin.wn4.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Richard E. Hawkins" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200111301721.fAUHLAq01130@fac13.ds.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200111301721.fAUHLAq01130@fac13.ds.psu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > Anyway, can anyone point me to a working config file? I can't use xf86cfg, > as it doesn't find the ps2 mouse (no /dev/mouse), and if I toss in a > symlink, it segfaults. I've found a linuxcare article about putting > suse linux on this model, but they were able to run the config > program. Did you try "XFree86 -configure". It's pretty good at detecting the videocard, but you have to add a valid screen and input device section manually. -- Benedikt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:14:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A07C37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by pr0n.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 890784C6; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:15:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:15:07 -0500 From: Kutulu To: Todd Reed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow to open Telnet Connection Message-ID: <20011130131507.A37502@pr0n.kutulu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Todd Reed , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ex279@hotmail.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:52:01AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:52:01AM -0600, Todd Reed wrote: > When I try to telnet into my BSD box from a PC with a hub between the two, > why is it taking anywhere from 30seconds to 1 minute for the login screen to > appear? Once it appears and I log in, it's fast like it should be, but it > just takes forever to connect? This is a new box with FreeBSD 4.3, Apache, > > I can telnet into the other ports (110, 80, etc) really fast, but just a > regular telnet session is where is slows down. Aside from the fact that you shouldn't be using telnet (that's why god invented ssh!).. the most likely suspect is that you're PC isn't running an ident daemon. The telnet daemon is probably tcp wrapped, and thus doing both hostname and ident lookups in order to check the tcp wrapper's access files. You may also want to provide an IP -> hostname entry for your PC in the BSD machine's /etc/hosts file, as the reverse lookup could be causing a similar problem. You should be able to run telnetd in a debug mode and what what's going on behind the scene, to give you a better idea of what's going on. run telnetd from a command line with the -D report option, and it should display information to your client connection to report on it's status. This may help you track down any obscure problems. --K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:17: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bdg.centrin.net.id (ppp54-bdg1.indosat.net.id [202.155.2.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F4837B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by bdg.centrin.net.id (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 54A582CE; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:38:43 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:38:43 +0700 From: budsz To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OpenSSH-3.0.1 Message-ID: <20011130223843.B45336@bdg.centrin.net.id> Reply-To: budsz References: <20011128231515.B2417@bdg.centrin.net.id> <20011129211228.A2088@myhakas.estpak.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011129211228.A2088@myhakas.estpak.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Fingerprint: A05A 268C 3CD4 ABBD D9EB 11E1 F64C 4B4E 6269 5304 X-Pub-keys: http://bdg.centrin.net.id/~budsan02/pubkey.txt X-Verify: MD5 (pubkey.txt) = 999274d3ae770caf0d77ce5796ed201e X-Uptime: 10:29PM up 8:26, 6 users, load averages: 0.09, 0.19, 0.30 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-Organization: Kumprang X-Provide: Warnet & Game Network X-Address: Melong No 29 Bandung 40261 West Java Indonesia Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:12:28PM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: >> How to create manualy /usr/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key and >> /etc/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub, accidently I was remove those >> files. > >Look into rc files in the /etc directory, you'll find hints there. I take in /etc/rc file, like this: case ${sshd_enable} in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) if [ -x ${sshd_program:-/usr/sbin/sshd} ]; then echo -n ' sshd'; ${sshd_program:-/usr/sbin/sshd} ${sshd_flags} fi ;; esac It's only daemon to generate ssh daemon right?, I was try to read manual and i found to create rsa type key but this's only for user in $HOME/.ssh, how I can resoln this...? TIA -- budsz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:19:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from funnel.cisco.com (funnel.cisco.com [161.44.168.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBBD37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (bmcgover-pc.cisco.com [161.44.149.69]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16006 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUIJTg04639 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:19:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Message-Id: <200111301819.fAUIJTg04639@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Athlon MP systems... Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:19:29 -0500 From: "Brian J. McGovern" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm curious if anyone has experience with using Athlon MP processors. I've been looking at picking up something like a Tyan S2460, and dropping a couple of Athlon MP 1600+ processors on it. I'm curious if anyone has had good/bad luck with it, and their source for the MP chips (everyone seems to be selling the MBs, Athlons, and the XP chips, but none of the major catalogs seem to stock the MP 1600+s). Thanks. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:20:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD0B37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by pr0n.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1DDA24CA; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:21:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:21:35 -0500 From: Kutulu To: dochawk@psu.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Forcing MS mail clients not to mime [was:Email Etiquette on this list] Message-ID: <20011130132135.B37502@pr0n.kutulu.org> Mail-Followup-To: dochawk@psu.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <00f801c1794f$3c9b6a00$88682518@longhill1.md.home.com> <200111301804.fAUI43q01498@fac13.ds.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111301804.fAUI43q01498@fac13.ds.psu.edu>; from dochawk@psu.edu on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:04:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:04:03PM -0500, dochawk@psu.edu wrote: > kutulu kalled > > > Thanks muchly, this is exactly what I was looking for. I'm building vim as > > I type this. :) > > You had me paniced for a moment; I thought you were using mutt to send > these. But your header shows Outlook Express. > > I don't have X running yet today (I'm on a loaner machine). mh is > unable read these, as it tries to launch an xterm for the mime--so I > have to use less on the file. > > I don't used windows, and have never faced down outlook express or eudora. > How do I explain to these people *how* they can stop sending messages > in mime, or with html enabled??? Ack, sorry. It's not HTML mail (there is a very obvious option in Outlook Express to send mail as plain text). But I did install a free Thawte email key into Outlook Express, which I guess is getting attached to all my Outlook emails. Mutt doesn't seem to have a problem with the Outlook Express signatures, though it can't actually read them. They're not PGP, they are S/MIME I beleive. Unfortunately, Outlook can't use (or even *read*) PGP-Signed mail, which is the primary reason I bother to telnet into my BSD machine and read mail through a ssh session. --K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:21:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.wvi.com (gateway.wvi.com [204.119.27.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B7337B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dsl-95.adweb.net [208.152.19.65]) by gateway.wvi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C4CC3C4943 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Phil Webb Reply-To: philwebb@piperain.com To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Installing from ports Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:21:35 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When installing from ports I have taken to issuing my install command as "make install clean" Should I be doing it step by step, ie "make" "make install" then "make clean"? Thank You Phil Webb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:22:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.wvi.com (gateway.wvi.com [204.119.27.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575C937B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dsl-95.adweb.net [208.152.19.65]) by gateway.wvi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 92B203C49C6 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:22:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Phil Webb Reply-To: philwebb@piperain.com To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Thanks! Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:22:49 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011130182230.92B203C49C6@gateway.wvi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just wanted to say a quick thanks to the folks who helped my with my X configuration woes! Thanks guys! Phil Webb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:24:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tharmas.rintrah.org (dhcp065-024-235-184.insight.rr.com [65.24.235.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BBD637B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39663 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Nov 2001 18:24:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:24:56 -0500 From: Devin Smith To: Girnet Vladimir Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: squid + files descriptors Message-ID: <20011130132456.A39544@tharmas.rintrah.org> Mail-Followup-To: Girnet Vladimir , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8E9035BABCA0514EB0E574B6A7082FC305308B@sln01.megadat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <8E9035BABCA0514EB0E574B6A7082FC305308B@sln01.megadat.com>; from VGirnet@megadat.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:18PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:18PM +0200, Girnet Vladimir wrote: > Hi > > I have been setup absolut identically hosts with FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE to run > SQUID 2.4 on them. > > But on one host I got this warning: > " WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors" , and squid is not > working. > > When I compare both cache.log files I found this difference: > on first machine: > With 4136 file descriptors available > > on second machine: > With 1064 file descriptors available > > I set up same configuration of kernel on both computers, with MAXUSERS=128, > and: > > kern.maxvnodes: 72477 > kern.maxproc: 8212 > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > kern.maxprocperuid: 8211 > > Please, help to solve this problem! Why so little file descriptors? > > > Regards, > Vladimir Girnet > Network & System Engineer NOC "MOLDOVA-ON-LINE" NET > mailto:vgirnet@megadat.com > www.mdl.net > If the two machines are actually in production, it sounds like the one is caching more files than the other. fix it by issuing as root sysctl=kern.maxfiles=32768 --devin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:33:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493B737B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUIX8q01758; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:33:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111301833.fAUIX8q01758@fac13.ds.psu.edu> To: Juergen Vigna , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crash inserting character after deleting middle of tabular In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:07:14 +0100." From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:33:08 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG juergen joined, > > I believe that the cursor was no longer within the table--I deleted the > > current cell. > Did you upgrade before trying this, IMO this should be fixed! > I did commit some fixes for this stuff yesterday. Nope. I'll try once I have X running on this loaner :( It was a nov 15 build. hawk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:33:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E60F37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihws.com (HELO ?192.168.0.102?) (63.218.21.114) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 18:33:25 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:33:27 -0500 Subject: Re: device_probe_and_attach From: Frank Laszlo To: Brian Sobolak Cc: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <671919640.20011130095638@mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on 11/30/01 12:56 PM, Brian Sobolak used the force from sobolak@mindspring.com: > hi > > Friday, November 30, 2001, 7:57:26 AM, you wrote: > > > FL> I keep getting this at boot time and my NIC isnt working... > > FL> rl0: couldn't map interrupt > FL> device_probe_and_attach: rl0 attach returned 6 > > FL> This is a RealTek NIC and I also tried a Netgear, both same output.... > FL> How can i fix this? change the IRQ? > > I was getting the exact same error after trying both 4.2-RELEASE and > 4.4-RELEASE. As it turned out, my BIOS was set to PnP Aware OS (Plug > and Play). I changed the setting in the BIOS to be "Other", the card > was detected without any problem and the above error went away. > > brian > > -- > Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ > This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ > Brian Sobolak sobolak@mindspring.com > Cool, ill give it a go when i get home. thanks Brian.. -Frank Laszlo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:35:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AB237B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUIZFq01782; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:35:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111301835.fAUIZFq01782@fac13.ds.psu.edu> To: Juergen Vigna , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: and again, with a segfault In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:13:04 +0100." From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:35:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 29-Nov-2001 Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > I delete the rows of table Og.consumer.demand.monopolist between 2.0/ > > 2.8 and the last. The last row shows (degree sign)k> in the first > > column, and a square dotted box in the second (like a mac uses for > > unknown characters. > I don't see that particular table in your file :( It should be the second table (the one in question 2, with Price and Quantity). > Did you try to load that emergency file actually? Yes, and successfully. I sent the original file before reloading. The post-crash recovered file worked fine. hawk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 10:55:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AF737B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from YidukKwon@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.3c.155b56b6 (16931) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:55:26 -0500 (EST) From: YidukKwon@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.155b56b6.2939301d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:55:25 EST Subject: Tex/Latex package To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed FreeBSD 4.2 release and am trying to learn the system. It was an experience but seems worthwhile. Can anyone give me advice on the Tex/Latex package which I can download and install on FreeBSD? I am a newbie and get lost easily. It seems there are so many versions and packages of Tex/Latex. Which one is the best or better than most? Is this package able to run in Linux also? I would genuinely appreciate your help. Sincerely, Yiduk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11: 3:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9D837B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUJ3aq02258; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:03:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111301903.fAUJ3aq02258@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Benedikt Schmidt" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xf86Config (4.x) for Thinkpad A22m (from A21p) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:13:13 +0100." <20011130191313.A1784@wn4-marvin.wn4.uni-karlsruhe.de> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:03:36 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Benedikt bent, > Richard E. Hawkins wrote: > > Anyway, can anyone point me to a working config file? I can't use xf86cfg, > > as it doesn't find the ps2 mouse (no /dev/mouse), and if I toss in a > > symlink, it segfaults. I've found a linuxcare article about putting > > suse linux on this model, but they were able to run the config > > program. > Did you try "XFree86 -configure". It's pretty good at detecting the > videocard, but you have to add a valid screen and input device section > manually. Uh, no :) It worked. It's amazing. Wow. I wonder if that will work on the A21p. I ended up with something like 909x640 resolution, but I'll take it :) So far, as far as I know, the only way anyone has X running on the A21p is by using the A21m config file. Bizarrely, the 21m is 1400xsomething, but its file produces 1600x1200 (full resolution) on the p--*unless* you switch the label to reflect that, in which case it just doesn't work. Thanks greatly. I can get back to work now . . . hawk CC -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11: 4:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar (cactus.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4A037B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar (cactus.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.108]) by cactus.fi.uba.ar (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUJ2hM01089; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:02:56 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from fgleiser@cactus.fi.uba.ar) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:02:43 -0300 (ART) From: Fernando Gleiser To: Oskar van Eeden Cc: Subject: Re: Question about mounting an ext2fs filesystem on FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE In-Reply-To: <9u882v$eak$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20011130155143.B98086-100000@cactus.fi.uba.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Oskar van Eeden wrote: > Hi there, > > I'd like to mount an ext2fs on my FreeBSD system. I recompiled my kernel > with option EXT2FS and everything seems fine. When i try to mount with > `mount -t ext2fs /ad1s2 /opt` i get the following message in > /var/log/messages: > > Nov 30 00:07:44 vaneeden /kernel: ext2fs: #ad/0x3000a: wrong magic number 0 > (expected 0xef53) That's because ad1s2 does not have an ext2 fs. It is highly probable that ad1s2 is an extended partition with the ext2fs inside the logical ones. That is also the reason why fsck fails: it cant check an FS which isn't really there. What are the contens of your linux fstab? Lets say your linux fstab looks like this: /dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda7 /home ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner,ro 0 0 /dev/hda9 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda8 /var ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda6 swap swap defaults 0 0 and you want to mount linux's /home in freebsd's /mnt. Then you say : # mount_ext2fs /dev/ad0s7 /mnt that is, if in linux is hdan, in freebsd is ad0sn Hope this helps Fer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11: 5: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sln01.megadat.com (exchange.megadat.com [195.22.224.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED03E37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by sln01.megadat.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:04:57 +0200 Message-ID: <8E9035BABCA0514EB0E574B6A7082FC305308D@sln01.megadat.com> From: Girnet Vladimir To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: squid + files descriptors Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:04:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Devin, I thnik You don't understand me. The computers are indentical, and runs as proxy servers, but in different environment (networks). The problem is, that squid does not get more than 1064 file descriptors on the second machine, on the same configuration. I don't understand this...why in kernel is set 16424 files, that can be open, but squid found only 4136, or 1064 ? thanks > > Hi > > > > I have been setup absolut identically hosts with FreeBSD > 4.4-RELEASE to run > > SQUID 2.4 on them. > > > > But on one host I got this warning: > > " WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors" , > and squid is not > > working. > > > > When I compare both cache.log files I found this difference: > > on first machine: > > With 4136 file descriptors available > > > > on second machine: > > With 1064 file descriptors available > > > > I set up same configuration of kernel on both computers, > with MAXUSERS=128, > > and: > > > > kern.maxvnodes: 72477 > > kern.maxproc: 8212 > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > kern.maxprocperuid: 8211 > > > > Please, help to solve this problem! Why so little file descriptors? > > > > > > Regards, > > Vladimir Girnet > > Network & System Engineer NOC "MOLDOVA-ON-LINE" NET > > mailto:vgirnet@megadat.com > > www.mdl.net > > > > If the two machines are actually in production, it sounds like the one > is caching more files than the other. > > fix it by issuing as root sysctl=kern.maxfiles=32768 > > --devin > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:17:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h015.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5951837B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 5432 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 11:17:24 -0800 Received: from 65.85.225.74 (HELO workstation10) by smtp.priorart.com (209.228.33.222) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 11:17:24 -0800 X-Sent: 30 Nov 2001 19:17:24 GMT From: "Ahmed Abdullahi" To: "Freebsd-Questions" Cc: "Copy to Self" Subject: Upgrading Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed FreeBSD 4.0 on my system. I would like to upgrade to the latest version, do I have to reinstall? Thanks, --Ahmed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:20:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0148C37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by kraeusen.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E5EA2B751; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:23:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:23:25 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: YidukKwon@aol.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tex/Latex package Message-ID: <20011130132323.A5243@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , YidukKwon@aol.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3c.155b56b6.2939301d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3c.155b56b6.2939301d@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG YidukKwon@aol.com (YidukKwon@aol.com) wrote: > > I just installed FreeBSD 4.2 release and am trying to learn the system. It > was an experience but seems worthwhile. Can anyone give me advice on the > Tex/Latex package which I can download and install on FreeBSD? I am a newbie > and get lost easily. It seems there are so many versions and packages of > Tex/Latex. Which one is the best or better than most? Is this package able to > run in Linux also? I would genuinely appreciate your help. I use teTeX and haven't regretted it -- just go to /usr/ports/print/teTeX and do a `make && make install`. You can certainly install teTeX on Linux. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:21:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (fac13.ds.psu.edu [146.186.61.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064BB37B422 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fac13.ds.psu.edu (localhost.ds.psu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by fac13.ds.psu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fAUJKXq02594; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu) Message-Id: <200111301920.fAUJKXq02594@fac13.ds.psu.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: volax@uh.ru, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lucent LT WinModem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:28:10 +0300." <200111300725.fAU7P4P71666@ns.uh.ru> From: dochawk@psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:20:33 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Is Lucent LT WinModem compatible with FreeBSD? >If yes how can I set it up to work? *please* send messages in plain text, not html. Aside from general courtesy, it just doesn't display properly on many machines. Anyway, there are instructions out there. I've got some modifications to them at http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/r/e/reh18/A21p/A21p.html#Modem I don't remember all the details, but I'm able to use the lucent in my A21p without a problem (aside from the usual difficulties getting PPP to work :) hawk -- What part of "non-negotiable" didn't you understand? /"\ ASCII ribbon campaign dochawk@psu.edu Smeal 178 (814) 375-4700 \ / against HTML mail These opinions will not be those of X and postings. Penn State until it pays my retainer. / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:24: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C4037B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 169tGG-0001mF-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:23:48 +0100 Received: from pd950c7bc.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.199.188]) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 169tGG-000012-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:23:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:21:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: Tex/Latex package In-Reply-To: <3c.155b56b6.2939301d@aol.com> Message-ID: <20011130181025.Y1589-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 YidukKwon@aol.com wrote: > I just installed FreeBSD 4.2 release and am trying to learn the system. It > was an experience but seems worthwhile. Can anyone give me advice on the > Tex/Latex package which I can download and install on FreeBSD? I am a newbie > and get lost easily. It seems there are so many versions and packages of > Tex/Latex. Which one is the best or better than most? Is this package able to > run in Linux also? I would genuinely appreciate your help. I do use the "tetex" collection of "tex and friends" as they say and I am quite happy with it. As far as I know this package also exists on linux. I can give you more information, when you tell me how much you already know about tex and freebsd. Regards, Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:36:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C8D37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25160; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C07DFA8.8050708@owt.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:36:08 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ahmed Abdullahi Cc: Freebsd-Questions Subject: Re: Upgrading References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ahmed Abdullahi wrote: > I installed FreeBSD 4.0 on my system. I would like to upgrade to the > latest version, do I have to reinstall? No, the real question is whether a binary upgrade or using cvsup to do the upgrade is faster. I have one system that will do a buildworld in 30+/- minutes and I can't download an iso that fast. You also shouldn't use the version of cvsup that came with 4.0. It has a bug that showed up on 9 Sep 2001. See http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ for a better version. Because of some makefile problems, you can't upgrade directly to version 4.4-release, which is the current release version. The makefile problems are fixed in 4.4-stable (RELENG_4). If cvsup is a new word for you, a binary upgrade can be much easier. I can't provide any insight there because I haven't done one of those since I upgraded a system from 2.2.8 to 3.1 and a lot has changed since then. Kent > > Thanks, > --Ahmed > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:40:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE5337B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by kraeusen.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 176EFB751; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:41 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Michael Lucas Cc: Stephen Hovey , "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *NIX Selection Message-ID: <20011130134335.B5243@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Michael Lucas , Stephen Hovey , "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> <20011130125342.A72960@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011130125342.A72960@blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Lucas (mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) wrote: > Also, Linux is technically just a kernel; everything else is the > responsibility of the distributor. FreeBSD produces a complete, > coherent operating system. I've known a lot of, say, Red Hat admins > who are lost on a Slackware box; they don't really run Linux, they run > Red Hat Linux. That isn't a problem on FreeBSD. I'm not super-intimate with Linux, but have used it enough to point out some other key differences: - In Linux, most packages (and parts of the system) are distributed as pre-compiled binaries. This means software is much quicker to install (you don't have to spend half a day compiling X Windows), but also a little less flexible. If you want to compile SSL into mutt, for example, you're going to have to build it by hand. FreeBSD, on the other hand, has some pre-built binaries but in general the ports system makes it easy to build software from source, which is occasionally quite useful. - Updating a Linux system is often done piecemeal. You learn that wuftpd has a security vulnerability, and you download a new binary. On FreeBSD, there is a very nice 'make world' mechanism for keeping your entire system up-to-date. You can bring your entire base system up-to-date in one fell swoop. I have often updated my system to correct one security vulnerability only to find out that I also fixed four others, too. - To the best of my knowledge, FreeBSD has never had a problem quite like the recent Linux kernel that trashed your filesystem when it was unmounted.... -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:40:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov (symbion.srrc.usda.gov [199.133.86.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D334837B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov (node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov [192.168.1.7]) by symbion.srrc.usda.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUJepv01139 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:40:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from gjohnson@srrc.ars.usda.gov) Received: (from glenn@localhost) by node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAUJeoU01967 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:40:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from glenn) From: Glenn Johnson Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:40:50 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: ssh does not honor the nologin file Message-ID: <20011130134050.A1933@node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov> Mail-Followup-To: glenn@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The sshd manual says that sshd checks for /etc/nologin and /var/run/nologin and if either is found, the login is not allowed. This does not work. I have tried with the nologin file present in both /etc and /var/run but users can still login via ssh. I would like to be able to temporarily disable all logins via ssh from the outside. I can not simply kill the daemon because I need ssh on the inside network. According to the man page for sshd this should "just work". Does any one have any ideas? Thanks. -- Glenn Johnson USDA, ARS, SRRC Phone: (504) 286-4252 New Orleans, LA 70124 e-mail: gjohnson@srrc.ars.usda.gov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:42:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nwktsnt.nwktc.org (72678447.pl4.dig-3.st-tel.net [65.161.79.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1E637B41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ET2 ([10.100.0.113]) by nwktsnt.nwktc.org with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TJ68KPH4; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c179d4$b06c4dc0$7100640a@et2> From: "Don Seeger" To: Subject: dhcpd Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:24:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1799A.02516DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1799A.02516DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wondering if dhcp server will support reserved addresses - if so could = you send a sample on how it should be entered in the conf file thanks Don ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1799A.02516DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wondering if dhcp server will support = reserved=20 addresses - if so could you send a sample on how it should be entered in = the=20 conf file
 
thanks
 
Don
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1799A.02516DE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:44:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sln01.megadat.com (exchange.megadat.com [195.22.224.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB9A37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sln01.megadat.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:44:20 +0200 Message-ID: <8E9035BABCA0514EB0E574B6A7082FC305308F@sln01.megadat.com> From: Girnet Vladimir To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: squid + files descriptors Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:44:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just now I found the secret :) When compiling squid, it get the maximum file descriptors from kernel. So, I compile squid with the GENERIC kernel, and squid get only 1024 maxfiles. now I recompile squid, and I have no problems! ( With 16424 file descriptors available )!!! Thanks any way! > > Devin, I thnik You don't understand me. > > The computers are indentical, and runs as proxy servers, but > in different > environment (networks). > > The problem is, that squid does not get more than 1064 file > descriptors on > the second machine, on the same configuration. > > I don't understand this...why in kernel is set 16424 files, > that can be > open, but squid found only 4136, or 1064 ? > > thanks > > > > Hi > > > > > > I have been setup absolut identically hosts with FreeBSD > > 4.4-RELEASE to run > > > SQUID 2.4 on them. > > > > > > But on one host I got this warning: > > > " WARNING! Your cache is running out of filedescriptors" , > > and squid is not > > > working. > > > > > > When I compare both cache.log files I found this difference: > > > on first machine: > > > With 4136 file descriptors available > > > > > > on second machine: > > > With 1064 file descriptors available > > > > > > I set up same configuration of kernel on both computers, > > with MAXUSERS=128, > > > and: > > > > > > kern.maxvnodes: 72477 > > > kern.maxproc: 8212 > > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > > kern.maxprocperuid: 8211 > > > > > > Please, help to solve this problem! Why so little file > descriptors? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vladimir Girnet > > > Network & System Engineer NOC "MOLDOVA-ON-LINE" NET > > > mailto:vgirnet@megadat.com > > > www.mdl.net > > > > > > > If the two machines are actually in production, it sounds > like the one > > is caching more files than the other. > > > > fix it by issuing as root sysctl=kern.maxfiles=32768 > > > > --devin > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:46:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C187337B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fAUJkp734805; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:46:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:46:51 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: Don Seeger Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dhcpd In-Reply-To: <000801c179d4$b06c4dc0$7100640a@et2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Don Seeger wrote: > Wondering if dhcp server will support reserved addresses - if so could > you send a sample on how it should be entered in the conf file # Example for Static DHCP host "thunder" host thunder { hardware ethernet 00:20:af:3c:ce:e5; fixed-address 10.0.0.10; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option domain-name-servers 192.168.21.2; option domain-name "domain.com"; option routers 10.0.0.1; option broadcast-address 10.0.0.255; } Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 11:58:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA03A37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bossen (h120n2fls31o846.telia.com [217.208.108.120]) by mailf.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUJwmb13503 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:58:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:01:48 +0100 (CET) From: Tor Stormwall X-X-Sender: To: Subject: scbus 0 not defined Message-ID: <20011130205210.J2664-100000@bossen.myhome.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I read the article about Zip Drives at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/zip-drive/ Now, I cant compile my kernel using these options: disk da0 at scbus0 target 0 unit 0 controller scbus0 at aha0 I get complainings about scbus 0 is not defined. But I have: device scbus # SCSI bus (required) I'm running 4.4-RELEASE. Have they changed anything in the new release? Whats wrong? Best Regards, Tor STormwall * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * | M A Y T H E S O U R C E B E W I T H Y O U | | | | Tor Stormwall mailto:tor@stormwall.org | | http://www.creson.com/~tor | | | | http://www.sslug.dk http://www.stormwall.org | | http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.muf.se | | | * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12: 7:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smnolde.com (att-98-60-141.atl.mediaone.net [24.98.60.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED76637B43C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.smnolde.com ([192.168.10.7] helo=bsd) by smnolde.com with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 169tw9-000IqC-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:07:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Nolde To: Glenn Johnson Cc: Subject: Re: ssh does not honor the nologin file In-Reply-To: <20011130134050.A1933@node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov> Message-ID: <20011130150529.K93019-100000@bsd.smnolde.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG smacked into the keyboard previously by owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG: >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:40:50 -0600 >From: Glenn Johnson >To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: ssh does not honor the nologin file > >The sshd manual says that sshd checks for /etc/nologin and >/var/run/nologin and if either is found, the login is not allowed. This >does not work. I have tried with the nologin file present in both /etc >and /var/run but users can still login via ssh. I would like to be >able to temporarily disable all logins via ssh from the outside. I can >not simply kill the daemon because I need ssh on the inside network. >According to the man page for sshd this should "just work". Does any >one have any ideas? > >Thanks. > >-- >Glenn Johnson >USDA, ARS, SRRC Phone: (504) 286-4252 >New Orleans, LA 70124 e-mail: gjohnson@srrc.ars.usda.gov > You could firewall the appropriate port which sshd listens on; ipfw add deny ip from any to $SSHD_SERVER from any $SSHD_PORT in via $EXT_NIC My $0.02 Scott Nolde GPG Key 0xD869AB48 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12: 8:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bmyster.com (dsl-144.sacoriver.net [65.162.190.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF4E37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Misterb (misterb.cybertours.com [208.130.43.208]) by bmyster.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAUKLO949318 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:21:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from misterb@cybertours.com) Message-ID: <007b01c179d9$c3fd5c30$d02b82d0@Misterb> From: "Brent" To: Subject: wu-ftp vulnerablility Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:01:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C179AF.DA43AAF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C179AF.DA43AAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im running FBSD 4.3 and Im having no issues ...everything seems to be = running great ...however in reading from some "other" mailing lists ... i ran accross a security issue supposedly in wu-ftp ..."File Globbing = Heap Corruption Vulnerability" check out this link http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3581 my question is this ...what version does FBSD 4.3 run out of the box ?? = is it wu-ftp ?? or something else ....and if it is wu-ftp ...how come there are no posts = on FreeBSD.org saying so.?? any help is greatly appreciated. thanx B ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C179AF.DA43AAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Im running FBSD 4.3 and Im having no = issues=20 ...everything seems to be running great ...however in reading from some = "other"=20 mailing lists ...
i ran accross a security issue = supposedly in wu-ftp=20 ..."File Globbing Heap Corruption Vulnerability"  check out this=20 link
http://www.securityfocus.c= om/bid/3581
 
my question is this ...what version = does FBSD 4.3=20 run out of the box ??  is it wu-ftp ??
or something else ....and if it is = wu-ftp ...how=20 come there are no posts on FreeBSD.org saying so.??
 
any help is greatly = appreciated.
 
thanx
B
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C179AF.DA43AAF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:13:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C4437B41C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 169u1z-00025p-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:13:07 +0100 Received: from pd950c7bc.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.199.188]) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 169u1z-0001y6-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:13:07 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:11:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: Tex/Latex package In-Reply-To: <8d.101547b9.2939394a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20011130190537.C1589-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 YidukKwon@aol.com wrote: > I am quite new in FreeBSD but I have read lots of material and know a way > around. I still have to learn more about it and keep plugging. As far as > TeX/LateX is concerned, I have used DOS version in the past but I am not an > expert. I'd like to get as much info as I can. Your help is truly > appreciated. O.K. - so first of all: Do you need to set up a printer, or are you only interested in producing tex/dvi-files? P.S. I am going to remail this to freebsd-questions. Other people might be interested in this or might have better ideas. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:17:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA037B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7D2766B27; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:17:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:17:13 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Henry smith Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SSHD slow? Message-ID: <20011130121713.B78317@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011130042956.58663.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011130042956.58663.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com>; from getzz11@yahoo.com on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:29:56PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:29:56PM -0800, Henry smith wrote: > Hi, >=20 > When I connect to my server through the SSH, it's > delay about 1 minute after I put the password. >=20 > Does anybody know what may be the problem ? It's almost certainly due to a misconfigured DNS (forward or reverse); the sshd can't resolve the address of the machine you're ssh'ing from. Kris --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8B+lIWry0BWjoQKURAn+JAJ46zBPQNAGE2BVVQMN2+JTEBeRV7ACgmrHY M0TiMPg+E2lIiTxbBX2EYug= =tT8M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:18:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29B337B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A962F66BD5; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:18:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:18:39 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Phil Webb Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: Installing from ports Message-ID: <20011130121839.C78317@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com>; from philwebb@piperain.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:21:35AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:21:35AM -0800, Phil Webb wrote: > When installing from ports I have taken to issuing my install command as= =20 > "make install clean" >=20 > Should I be doing it step by step, ie "make" "make install" then "make cl= ean"? Nope, they're completely equivalent. The only one you can't do at the same time like that is 'make depend' e.g. when you're making a kernel. Kris --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8B+meWry0BWjoQKURAjUNAKD0fVzaUnl3B6Umo2P5rr5B2wy4+ACg7Cy2 cml5MSclav68J7Ld8YaQ3yI= =dtri -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:19:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3EA37B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7E4466C29; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:19:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Brent Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wu-ftp vulnerablility Message-ID: <20011130121952.D78317@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <007b01c179d9$c3fd5c30$d02b82d0@Misterb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <007b01c179d9$c3fd5c30$d02b82d0@Misterb>; from misterb@cybertours.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:01:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:01:13PM -0500, Brent wrote: > my question is this ...what version does FBSD 4.3 run out of the box > ?? is it wu-ftp ?? No, it's the FreeBSD ftpd. > or something else ....and if it is wu-ftp ...how come there are no > posts on FreeBSD.org saying so.?? Please, give us the chance to write the advisory -- it's only been announced a day or two ago. Kris --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8B+noWry0BWjoQKURAqUMAKDocRy7xS8FSzqUrHFtIeqDQ8nG7wCg0sDe s80qMhVk4PCMSZWqCywtbns= =J2Tz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:27: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from marlo.eagle.ca (marlo.eagle.ca [209.167.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FE637B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from BobLablaw (staff.eagle.ca [209.167.16.15]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAUKOSo89423; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:24:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu) Message-ID: <01be01c179dd$75393020$7301a8c0@eagle.ca> From: "ScaryG" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: PPPoE Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:27:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yes but which one. I already added the following line to the > ppp.conf file, to set it to the right interface: > set device PPPoE:ed0 Try including a copy of your pppd.conf file and that will help the rest of us help you better. I would suggest you change the set device option in your profile being used.. be that the 'default' profile or a profile you've created for your provider. > You mean: > options NETGRAPH > options NETGRAPH_PPPOE > options NETGRAPH_ETHER > options NETGRAPH_SOCKET Yep. This url: http://www.defcon1.org/html/Networking_Articles/networking_articles.html likely has the info you need. There's at least 3 articles there on Cable Modems. -gf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:27:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from crb.crb-web.com (crb.crb-web.com [64.124.126.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0169037B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from wcuddy by crb.crb-web.com with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 169u8I-0000P7-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:19:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:19:38 -0500 From: Wayne Cuddy To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: pcic drivers on NEC Ready 340T laptop Message-ID: <20011130151938.C32504@crb-web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have installed FreeBSD 4.3 on my NEC Ready 340T laptop. There were no problems except for pcmcia/pcic detection. There are 2 sockets in the system, if I boot with a card in the top socket the system freezes during the pcic detection phase, the system will also freeze if I insert a card into that socket after the OS has loaded. The system does not lock in either case if a card is inserted into the bottom socket. It doesn't seem to make a difference whether the card is my 'ne' compatible network card or my 56K modem. Incidentally I also have loaded NetBSD 1.5.2 on this laptop, it had similar problems until I used the GENERIC.laptop kernel which solved the problem on initial boot but will freeze when the OS performs a warm reboot. In the dmesg boot output from NetBSD the kernel notices that both pcic do not have valid IO regions assigned to them by the BIOS and it performs a "address fix up" using the PCIBIOS. Could this be the problem with FreeBSD and if so are there options I can declare to get both sockets running smoother? Irritatingly enough, Linux 2.2.x/pcmcia has no problems dealing with this and I would rather run any *BSD than Linux.. I appreciate any suggestions. Wayne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:29:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bmyster.com (dsl-144.sacoriver.net [65.162.190.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5068A37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Misterb (misterb.cybertours.com [208.130.43.208]) by bmyster.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAUKfx949342; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:41:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from misterb@cybertours.com) Message-ID: <008301c179dc$a3ce5920$d02b82d0@Misterb> From: "Brent" To: "Glenn Johnson" , References: <20011130134050.A1933@node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov> Subject: Re: ssh does not honor the nologin file Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:21:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG you can specify what users OR groups can login using ssh by editing the following file. /etc/ssh/sshd.config at the bottom of the file ..add something like AllowGroups groupname <------this will only allow users from whatever group you want to login AllowUsers username <-------this will allow whatever user you want to login. for example i have AllowGroups wheel <----this only allows users from the wheel group to login ( only me ) hope this helps ya Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: ssh does not honor the nologin file > The sshd manual says that sshd checks for /etc/nologin and > /var/run/nologin and if either is found, the login is not allowed. This > does not work. I have tried with the nologin file present in both /etc > and /var/run but users can still login via ssh. I would like to be > able to temporarily disable all logins via ssh from the outside. I can > not simply kill the daemon because I need ssh on the inside network. > According to the man page for sshd this should "just work". Does any > one have any ideas? > > Thanks. > > -- > Glenn Johnson > USDA, ARS, SRRC Phone: (504) 286-4252 > New Orleans, LA 70124 e-mail: gjohnson@srrc.ars.usda.gov > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:32:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bmyster.com (dsl-144.sacoriver.net [65.162.190.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687C37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from Misterb (misterb.cybertours.com [208.130.43.208]) by bmyster.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAUKjN949351; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mrb@bmyster.com) Message-ID: <008f01c179dd$1dc11150$d02b82d0@Misterb> From: "bmyster" To: , "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" References: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com> Subject: Re: Installing from ports Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:25:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG try this ....all in one command #make && make install && make clean however I usually only do #make install && make clean ( if its the first time install that particular package) good luck Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Webb" To: "FreeBSD Questions Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: Installing from ports > When installing from ports I have taken to issuing my install command as > "make install clean" > > Should I be doing it step by step, ie "make" "make install" then "make clean"? > > Thank You > > Phil Webb > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:33:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h008.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F322E37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 4534 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 12:33:00 -0800 Received: from 65.85.225.74 (HELO workstation10) by smtp.priorart.com (209.228.33.214) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 12:33:00 -0800 X-Sent: 30 Nov 2001 20:33:00 GMT From: "Ahmed Abdullahi" To: "Kent Stewart" Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" , "Copy to Self" Subject: RE: Upgrading Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:32:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C07DFA8.8050708@owt.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks all... best ragards, ahmed -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kent Stewart Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:36 PM To: Ahmed Abdullahi Cc: Freebsd-Questions Subject: Re: Upgrading Ahmed Abdullahi wrote: > I installed FreeBSD 4.0 on my system. I would like to upgrade to the > latest version, do I have to reinstall? No, the real question is whether a binary upgrade or using cvsup to do the upgrade is faster. I have one system that will do a buildworld in 30+/- minutes and I can't download an iso that fast. You also shouldn't use the version of cvsup that came with 4.0. It has a bug that showed up on 9 Sep 2001. See http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ for a better version. Because of some makefile problems, you can't upgrade directly to version 4.4-release, which is the current release version. The makefile problems are fixed in 4.4-stable (RELENG_4). If cvsup is a new word for you, a binary upgrade can be much easier. I can't provide any insight there because I haven't done one of those since I upgraded a system from 2.2.8 to 3.1 and a lot has changed since then. Kent > > Thanks, > --Ahmed > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:36:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.ruraltel.net (mail.ruraltel.net [24.225.0.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DDE37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from darryl (p248n30.ruraltel.net [24.225.30.248]) by mail1.ruraltel.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fATIGau17343 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:16:36 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darryl Hoar" To: Subject: Firewall & DSL Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c17902$8759a860$0701a8c0@darryl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I have just had DSL installed. The Modem/Router is a SpeedStream 5660. I have a FreeBSD 4.3-release box that I want to make a firewall. How do I physically put the device in the network to give protection ? Each network jack is a direct run to a port on my SuperStackerII 3300 10/100 ethernet switch. How to install/configure the Firewall software is not the issue, its how to connect things that I'm interested in. thanks, Darryl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:38:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ausxc10.us.dell.com (ausxc10.us.dell.com [143.166.98.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C54737B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by ausxc10.us.dell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:27:57 -0600 Message-ID: From: Dung_Nguyen@Dell.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kernel arp messages? Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:37:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, My FreeBSD 4.4 has the following log messages and I could not figure out how this happens and what it means. Anytime this event occurs, the internet connection is dropped and then back to normal again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # dmesg -a ... Fri Nov 30 12:51:19 CST 2001 arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 to 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c on fxp0 Nov 30 13:20:09 nano /kernel: arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 to 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c on fxp0 arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c to 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 on fxp0 Nov 30 13:20:10 nano /kernel: arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c to 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 on fxp0 arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 to 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c on fxp0 arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c to 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 on fxp0 Nov 30 13:21:09 nano /kernel: arp: 66.68.32.1 moved from 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 to 00:04:dd:5d:84:8c on fxp0 ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe 66.68.32.1 is the Road Runner gateway IP address and 00:04:dd:5d:84:54 is a correct MAC address. This problem never occurs on 4.0 before I switch to 4.4, but it now also happens on FreeBSD 4.0. Thanks, Dung Nguyen (512) 723-5807 dung_nguyen@dell.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:40:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.ruraltel.net (mail.ruraltel.net [24.225.0.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8BE37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from darryl (p248n30.ruraltel.net [24.225.30.248]) by mail1.ruraltel.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fATEPMu16818 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:25:23 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darryl Hoar" To: Subject: DSL & 4.3 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c178e2$399c4850$0701a8c0@darryl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, We are just getting DSL (rural America here). Previously, I had a PC installed with 4.3, running ppp -auto -nat, etc. The ISP provides a DSL router (Slipstream) that you plug into your network hub/switch. It can do nat, filtering, etc. I'm not sure how good it is at security, so I'd like to configure the old FreeBSD 4.3 box to do security for my network. How should I do that ? IE, do I put two nics in the FreeBSD box, connect one interface to the slipstream router, and plug the other into my network switch ? Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated, as I am looking to have good security. On 24/7 with a dedicated IP can allow a lot of nefarious types the opportunity to pound on my connection. thanks, Darryl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:45: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.ruraltel.net (mail.ruraltel.net [24.225.0.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F20537B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from darryl (p248n30.ruraltel.net [24.225.30.248]) by mail1.ruraltel.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fAUF4Ku29621 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:04:24 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Darryl Hoar" To: Subject: DSL questions Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:08:11 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c179b0$d49082d0$0701a8c0@darryl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, My ISP just installed DSL at our fascility. The box they installed is a SpeedStream 5660. This appears to be a Adsl modem/router, with built in PPPoE client. The ISP recommends we buy a SonicWall XPRS2 firewall to put in front of the SpeedStream, and they will convert the SpeedStream to a Bridge. My question is, since the SonicWall costs about $1300, can I use a freebsd box running PPPoE, nat, firewall, etc to do the exact same thing? Are there any drawbacks? Have DSL live now, but not using it until I figure out the security. thanks, Darryl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:52: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chen.org.nz (tnt1-28.quicksilver.net.nz [202.89.142.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157037B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by chen.org.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAUKqqQ05498; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:52:52 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:52:50 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Corrupted wtmp file Message-ID: <20011201095250.A4916@grimoire.chen.org.nz> References: <20011130081730.A14619@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011130081730.A14619@raggedclown.net>; from cliff@raggedclown.net on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:17:30AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:17:30AM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Hello, > My wtmp file keeps getting corrupted into nonsense, > very similar nonsense each time. > Suggestions ? Some root level program you're running that writes to wtmp has not been updated to the FreeBSD-4.x format (which is slightly different from the 3.x series). It'd be likely to be some 3rd party stuff you've got installed like screen(1). The easiest way to fix them would be to recompile it from ports. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wish your merit to be known, acknowledge that of other people" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 12:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chen.org.nz (tnt1-28.quicksilver.net.nz [202.89.142.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBED737B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by chen.org.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAUL0fZ05531; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:00:41 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:00:40 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Todd Reed Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slow to open Telnet Connection Message-ID: <20011201100040.B4916@grimoire.chen.org.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ex279@hotmail.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:52:01AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:52:01AM -0600, Todd Reed wrote: > When I try to telnet into my BSD box from a PC with a hub between the two, > why is it taking anywhere from 30seconds to 1 minute for the login screen to > appear? Once it appears and I log in, it's fast like it should be, but it > just takes forever to connect? This is a new box with FreeBSD 4.3, Apache, > MySQL, PHP, Popd, and Phpnuke installed. That's it. One HDD, nothing > fancy. The telnetd on the BSD is trying to do a reverse-DNS lookup on your PC box. When the lookup times out after 1 minute, it then continues. To fix. -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "If everything's under control, you're going too slow" - Mario Andretti To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13: 9: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pr0n.kutulu.org (pr0n.kutulu.org [151.196.107.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F52437B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by pr0n.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B4BB74C6; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:09:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:09:54 -0500 From: Kutulu To: Brent Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wu-ftp vulnerablility Message-ID: <20011130160954.A38236@pr0n.kutulu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Brent , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <007b01c179d9$c3fd5c30$d02b82d0@Misterb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <007b01c179d9$c3fd5c30$d02b82d0@Misterb>; from misterb@cybertours.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:01:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:01:13PM -0500, Brent wrote: > my question is this ...what version does FBSD 4.3 run out of the box ?? is it wu-ftp ?? > or something else ....and if it is wu-ftp ...how come there are no posts on FreeBSD.org saying so.?? FreeBSD has it's own FTP daemon that is run out-of-box. Unless you installed wu-ftpds from ports, these wu-specific ftpd problems won't affect you. I also don't beleive the glob() that's in FreeBSD's libc is affected by the same bug as glibc's globc(), so ftpd servers that use the underlying glob() should also be ok. For the record, I checked the glob("{") problem against BSD's stock server, and ProFTPD, both running FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE, both handled the request correctly. --K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:15:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from openrelay.msu.edu (openrelay.msu.edu [35.9.98.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4D337B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from works ([65.194.248.251]) by openrelay.msu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAUL3Hp03563 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from raiden23@netzero.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20011130161546.0097f7a0@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: raiden23@pop.netzero.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:20:54 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Lord Raiden Subject: Unix PPP dialer software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HI all. I'm trying to make a complete and comprehensive how-to guide for troubleshooting 56k dialup customers using Linux/Unix/BSD. I was wondering if someone knows of any good place(s) I can go to get as much info on the different PPP dialer software out there for use on *nix's so that I can create a guide for our techs. We don't do this very often, but I'd rather have the tech's say "Yes, we support that, ok, let's do this and this." rather than "I'm sorry, we don't support that" if you get my drift. It makes the customer happy. All of my experience is with *nix's over ethernet, so PPP dialup is foreign to me. Can anyone help? Thanks. - Steven Lake Tech Guru and all around computer Junkie. ================================= Thou should not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art CRUNCHY and taste good with KETCHUP! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:29:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.27in.tv (roc-66-24-112-7.rochester.rr.com [66.24.112.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E507937B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 27in.tv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.27in.tv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAULTgL75341 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjm2@27in.tv) From: "Christopher J. Michaels" Received: from 216.153.202.45 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cjm2) by www.27in.tv with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2610.216.153.202.45.1007155782.squirrel@www.27in.tv> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Routing over an IPSEC tunnel. To: Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.0 [rc2]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have what seems to be (but shouldn't) a fairly complex routing problem that I was hoping I could get some assistance on. I couldn't find anything in the archives on this. I have 3 private networks that are all connected through IP sec (ESP) tunnels (over the Internet). The individual tunnels are all working fine. 10.0.0/24 [FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE] 10.2.1/24 [FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE] 192.168.0/24 [Linux w/ FreeS/WAN] The current config is as follows: [10.0.0.1] <-tunnel-> [10.0.2.1] <-tunnel-> [192.168.0.1] [10.0.0/24] [10.0.2/24] [192.168.0/24] 10.0.0/24 can talk to 10.0.2/24 just fine and 10.0.2/24 and 192.168.0/24 can talk just fine. What I would like to do is route the two outer networks through 10.0.2.1. I can't seem to make this work, any assistance would be appreciated. I can't write a route statment that will pass the traffic through. Thanks, --Chris p.s. Just to be clear, while I am using nat to route the private nets to the Internet, I am NOT using nat to route the private networks together, this is evidenced by the fact that my tunnels work even when I flush my ipfw rules. ed0 is my public interface. rl0 is my LAN interface. ============================= The output of 'netstat -nr' is as follows (public ips are masked with 'xx'): Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default xx.xx.xx.xx UGSc 20 1953740 ed0 10/24 10.0.2.1 UGSc 1 227 rl0 10.0.1/24 10.0.2.1 UGSc 2 16975 rl0 10.0.2.0 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 0 97 rl0 => 10.0.2/24 link#2 UC 3 0 rl0 10.0.2.1 127.0.0.1 UH 19 14278 lo0 10.0.2.253 0:a0:cc:36:33:93 UHLW 4 1152013 rl0 735 10.0.2.255 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 1 11812 rl0 xx.xx.xx/22 link#1 UC 2 0 ed0 xx.xx.xx.xx 0:b0:64:b7:97:54 UHLW 20 28176 ed0 1199 xx.xx.xx.xx 0:0:e8:e0:f8:ec UHLW 0 28565 lo0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 3 182417 lo0 192.168.0 10.0.2.1 UGSc 1 1102 rl0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:34:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57C937B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAULXkx08979; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:33:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <002e01c179e6$b1933c60$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: , References: <001701c17985$89206f20$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <03ea01c17986$b9dd6f40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C07AAC7.4010700@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:33:46 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon writes: > On what planet does nobody assert that Windows > is a better server host? There may be such feelings in Redmond, but I haven't seen that suggested on this list. > let's face it, timesharing is a non-issue. Is it? In what way? Timesharing of a large system is pretty useful; for constrained applications in a business environment in particular, timesharing may be more economical than having a separate PC on every desk, although it's very much out of fashion right now (except in very expensive, brain-dead hybrids like Windows Terminal Server). > You seem to be investing a lot of energy in > debating the mouse that is squeaking about > FreeBSD being better than Windows on the > desktop ... That's where I see the irrational statements being made. > ... all the while ignoring the 800 pound-gorilla > with the big stick that has been devoting the > majority of its abundant resources over the past > ten years in trying to make Windows the dominant, > or better still, the only operating system > for server applications. And, some might even say, > succeeding. Unless Microsoft makes some key changes in its strategy, I don't see it winning in the server market. Microsoft has had a desktop mentality for a very long time, and this is very evident in its behavior and strategies, and until and unless someone who has seen some other type of computer besides a PC starts making some of the decisions, the server market is likely to remain pretty safe from Microsoft competition. There's a limit to how far you can get with marketing and hype alone. > And yet, by you, "Microsoft is right, for the > most part" in divining their customer's needs and > providing the right product. On the desktop, that's true. But MS is still clueless in many areas of server environments. The company has a very poor grasp of the real priorities in server operation and administration--which are very different from those of a desktop user. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:39:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from westhost43.westhost.net (westhost43.westhost.net [216.71.84.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C74B37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dsl092-099-212.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.99.212]) by westhost43.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAULmPK03055 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:48:26 -0600 Received: from chexmix by localhost with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 169wNY-0004gi-00 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:43:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:43:32 -0500 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: newbie laptop question Message-ID: <20011130174332.A18020@burningclown.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i From: Glenn Becker Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All, I've been ... er, diddling with an installation of FreeBSD 4.3 for a little while now. Have much more experience with Debian Linux, which I have on the same machine, but I very much like what I have found in FreeBSD. So I hope to advance beyond the diddle stage soon. ANYhoo, I have an older laptop, a Toshiba Tecra 740CDT, and have been thinking of removing the Win98 install and replacing it with FreeBSD. The issue: the HD is only 2gig. Is that enough space for a decent FreeBSD install? How much space should I look for if I get a replacement for the HD on this laptop? BTW the one FreeBSD/laptop compatibility page I've looked at makes it sounds as though this is a good match for the OS. If anyone has any specific experience with this model I'd love to hear about it. Thanks, Glenn Becker To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:45:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.27in.tv (roc-66-24-112-7.rochester.rr.com [66.24.112.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A424137B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from 27in.tv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.27in.tv (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fAULjKL75459 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjm2@27in.tv) From: "Christopher J. Michaels" Received: from 216.153.202.45 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cjm2) by www.27in.tv with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2689.216.153.202.45.1007156721.squirrel@www.27in.tv> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Firewall & DSL To: Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.0 [rc2]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, that depends... The 5660 is a router, are you going to be using it as such? or are you disabling the routing functions and using it as a bridge? * If you were going to use it as a bridge, you would then need 2 NIC's in your BSD box. One would go to the 5660 and the other would go out to your switch. The NIC going to the 5660 would be configured with your public IP address (static, PPPoE, DHCP, etc...) the NIC go to the switch would then have a private address on it and would be the default gateway for the rest of your network. * If you are going to use it as a router, I don't see how you would use the FreeBSD box as a firewall as it would just be another device on your private network block, no traffic would be passing _through_ it to the other machines on your network. I could think of a couple ways to make this work, but they're rather convoluted and add unnecessary complexity. --Chris > Greetings, > I have just had DSL installed. The Modem/Router is a > SpeedStream 5660. I have a FreeBSD 4.3-release box > that I want to make a firewall. How do I physically > put the device in the network to give protection ? > > Each network jack is a direct run to a port on my > SuperStackerII 3300 10/100 ethernet switch. > > How to install/configure the Firewall software is not > the issue, its how to connect things that I'm interested > in. > > thanks, > Darryl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:53:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from [208.187.165.9] (mail.lanset.com [208.187.165.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6586337B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from dynamic244-198.lanset.com (unverified [208.187.244.198]) by (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.179) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:52:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: damon blom X-Sender: damon@ To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: make world Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD-STABLE i386 (thinkpad) 4.4 cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../contrib/per l5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu.bin/usr.bin/perl/perl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c perlmain.c ELF binary type not known. Use "brandelf" to brand it. Abort trap *** Error code 134 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl *** Error code 1 Thank's Newbie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 13:58:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20404.mail.yahoo.com (web20404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A26537B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:58:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011130215847.4767.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.6.141.173] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:58:47 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Re: Manual mount root for ATA100 To: Ceri Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011130110441.GA1944@rhadamanth> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You are right. I don't see any of those devices in /dev. How do I MAKE them? Jim --- Ceri wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:02:09PM -0600, > Christopher Farley wrote: > > Jim (dillweed58@yahoo.com) wrote: > > > > > ad4: 29311MB [59554/16/63] at > > > ata2-master UDMA100 > > > ad5: 29311MB [59554/16/63] at > > > ata2-slave UDMA100 > > > acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 > > > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > > > Root mount failed: 6 > > > > It looks to me like you are trying to mount root > from /dev/ad0s1a, > > but your disk is coming up as ad4. Try changing > all your /dev/ad0xxx > > entries in /etc/fstab to /dev/ad4xxx. > > And good luck doing that, because even if you do get > it to boot into single > user (which you can do by typing ufs:/dev/ad4s1a at > that mountroot> prompt), > you'll probably find that you don't have the entries > in /dev for ad4, and you > won't be able to make them because / is mounted > read-only and you won't be > able to mount it read-write because you don't have > the entries for ad4 in /dev. > > I used sysinstall to fix this when I had that > problem, but it would have been > easier to swap the drive back onto the old IDE > controller and make the devices > first. > > Ceri > > -- > keep a mild groove on __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA66F37B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from verizon.net ([199.171.52.20]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id QAA68906541 Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:08:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C08038D.3040307@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:09:17 -0500 From: Simon Morton Reply-To: smorton@acm.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,zh-CN,de-DE,zh-TW,zh, zh-õ` MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lord Raiden Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix PPP dialer software References: <4.2.0.58.20011130161546.0097f7a0@pop.netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG AT&T Business Internet Services have a section on their website on how to configure PPP or SLIP on various platforms (including Linux and AIX) to connect to their network. You might find the following link useful: http://help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm?sectID=501&catID=2770&ID=2070 HTH Simon Lord Raiden wrote: > HI all. I'm trying to make a complete and comprehensive how-to > guide for troubleshooting 56k dialup customers using Linux/Unix/BSD. I > was wondering if someone knows of any good place(s) I can go to get as > much info on the different PPP dialer software out there for use on > *nix's so that I can create a guide for our techs. We don't do this > very often, but I'd rather have the tech's say "Yes, we support that, > ok, let's do this and this." rather than "I'm sorry, we don't support > that" if you get my drift. > > It makes the customer happy. All of my experience is with *nix's > over ethernet, so PPP dialup is foreign to me. Can anyone help? Thanks. > > > - Steven Lake > Tech Guru and all around computer Junkie. > > ================================= > Thou should not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art CRUNCHY and > taste good with KETCHUP! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- http://www.SimonMorton.com smorton at acm dot org \rm -rf /bin/laden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:10:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAB537B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267B2BD20; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01963; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:21 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fAUMAjw94979; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Darren Crotchett Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" Subject: Re: *NIX Selection References: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> <20011130181148.C34D837B419@hub.freebsd.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 30 Nov 2001 14:10:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011130181148.C34D837B419@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Darren Crotchett writes: > ... I'm still > trying to figure out the difference between the ports and the packages In short, a package is a pre-built, pre-compiled port; a binary port. They both install binaries to the same places and those get entered into the same database (/var/db/pkg/) and may be manipulated with the same "pkg" utilities. The ports allow you to customize the build process too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:21:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD8F37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:45 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: "Kevin Oberman" Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:21:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C0795FC.2746.224A5D@localhost> In-reply-to: <200111301647.fAUGlqd15442@ptavv.es.net> References: Your message of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:25:07 PST." <3C06D1E3.14504.211C039@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 Nov 2001, at 8:47, Kevin Oberman boldly uttered: > > From: "Philip J. Koenig" > > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:25:07 -0800 > > > > Furtheremore, if I were to uncomment "NO_X= true", what would have > > happened when I went to install the mtr port, which wanted gtk as a > > dependency? Would it automatically not fetch/compile XF86, or would > > it do it anyway because gtk is a dependency? Aren't the settings in > > make.conf just for building the base system? > > I'd have to look at the Makefile for mtr to see how it would handle > this. Some tools still install without a GUI and others will fail to > install, at all. Since I'm not a programmer and I only compile software to create pre-written applications, I'm not an expert on makefiles. How am I to determine such esoterica as how a port will behave if it encounters the directive "NO_X= true" in /etc/make.conf? In a cursory view of the mtr port's Makefile, there is nothing in there that references "X" or "X-Windows", or "Xfree86".. only the "WANT_GTK= yes" line. I still contend that life for us lowly non-programmers would be vastly more productive if the port's install script simply stopped at some point and asked "I see you don't have X installed - do you want to install that big monster, or just skip GUI support?". -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:26:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B0237B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:26:13 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Erik Trulsson Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:26:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C079707.26404.265FFB@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011130112735.GA24903@student.uu.se> References: <3C06C83C.24008.1EC0AD1@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 Nov 2001, at 12:27, Erik Trulsson boldly uttered: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:43:56PM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > On 30 Nov 2001, at 9:50, Igor Roboul boldly uttered: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:51:26AM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > requires retrieving 30MB of Xfree86 files, compiling and installing, > > > > on a machine that doesn't run X? It seems to have something to do > > > Check /usr/ports/net/mtr/Makefile and you'll see > > > WANT_GTK= yes > > > > > > OK, so what if: > > > > A) I don't know what GTK is > > B) I don't know what changing that to "no" will do to the > > functionality of the port I'm trying to install > > Then don't bother about it. > Ports using WANT_xxx mean: > " If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise we will get by > witout it." That's contrary to my experience. In the described case, the action was more like "If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise WE WILL RETRIEVE AND INSTALL IT." See below. > > Not to be annoying, but the ports are promoted as a simple > > way of installing preconfigured programs. I don't think that > > positioning is consistent with the implication that everyone is > > an expert about various options that appear in makefiles, because if > > so, why not just compile the thing from scratch and forget the port? > > > > How difficult would it be in the case of a program like mtr which can > > run perfectly fine without X, to place a question in the script where > > it stops and asks "would you like to include X-Windows support?"? > > For mtr, if you do not have X or GTK installed it is not supposed to > fetch and build it. As far as I can determine from looking at the port > it doesn't do that either unless you have changed something. I DID NOT change anything. This is a brand-new 4.4-RELEASE install. One of the very first things I did after rebooting the machine post- install was to install the mtr port. I didn't change any port settings, compile settings, or make settings. -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:31: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from kraeusen.nbrewer.com (kraeusen.nbrewer.com [208.42.68.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9005F37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by kraeusen.nbrewer.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 96139B751; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:34:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:34:12 -0600 From: Christopher Farley To: Jim Cc: Ceri , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual mount root for ATA100 Message-ID: <20011130163410.B5454@northernbrewer.com> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Farley , Jim , Ceri , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20011130110441.GA1944@rhadamanth> <20011130215847.4767.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011130215847.4767.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Organization: Northern Brewer, St. Paul, MN Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim (dillweed58@yahoo.com) wrote: > You are right. I don't see any of those devices in > /dev. How do I MAKE them? If you've got the old controller in, as root: # cd dev # sh MAKEDEV ad4 # sh MAKEDEV ad5 And you probably need slice entries too, if I recall. The following will make adxs1a-h: # sh MAKEDEV ad4s1a # sh MAKEDEV ad5s1a Then change your /etc/fstab, and reboot with the new controller. -- Christopher Farley www.northernbrewer.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:40:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from teak.adhesivemedia.com (teak.adhesivemedia.com [207.202.159.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EE037B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (philip@localhost) by teak.adhesivemedia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUMeEf97564; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@adhesivemedia.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:40:14 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Hallstrom To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: Kevin Oberman , Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? In-Reply-To: <3C0795FC.2746.224A5D@localhost> Message-ID: <20011130143654.L95581-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 30 Nov 2001, at 8:47, Kevin Oberman boldly uttered: > > > > From: "Philip J. Koenig" > > > > > > Furtheremore, if I were to uncomment "NO_X= true", what would have > > > happened when I went to install the mtr port, which wanted gtk as a > > > dependency? Would it automatically not fetch/compile XF86, or would > > > it do it anyway because gtk is a dependency? Aren't the settings in > > > make.conf just for building the base system? > > > > I'd have to look at the Makefile for mtr to see how it would handle > > this. Some tools still install without a GUI and others will fail to > > install, at all. > > > Since I'm not a programmer and I only compile software to create > pre-written applications, I'm not an expert on makefiles. How > am I to determine such esoterica as how a port will behave if it > encounters the directive "NO_X= true" in /etc/make.conf? > > > In a cursory view of the mtr port's Makefile, there is nothing in > there that references "X" or "X-Windows", or "Xfree86".. only the > "WANT_GTK= yes" line. > > I still contend that life for us lowly non-programmers would be > vastly more productive if the port's install script simply stopped at > some point and asked "I see you don't have X installed - do you want > to install that big monster, or just skip GUI support?". Although one could make the argument that it should ask about other options as well... or perhaps ask any time it needs to install a dependency... which could get pretty time consuming :) I put the following in /etc/make.conf and don't think I've had a port try and install X since... NO_GUI=1 WITHOUT_X11=1 -philip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:51:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EB537B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (hutch-345.hutchtel.net [206.10.68.45]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7A91BD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:53:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8416E385C; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:51:43 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: igorr@speechpro.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Message-ID: <20011130165143.A469@twincat.vladsempire.net> References: <3C065205.5494.1E31B7@localhost>; <20011130103608.C580@sysadm.stc> <3C06D1E3.14504.211C039@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C06D1E3.14504.211C039@localhost>; from pjklist@ekahuna.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:25:07AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I can't even find a manpage or other docs for "gtk" on the machine > that now has it installed. I'm sure there might be something in the > X11 or gnome directories that is some variation of "gtk", but are you > starting to see my point about what I'm going through just to install > a rudimentary command-line traceroute utility? > > > Phil The way the port is supposed to work is as follows: If X is on the machine, install the port to use X. If X is on the machine, and you do make WITHOUT_GTK=yes then it will build the port in the command line version. If X is not on the machine install as a command line util. That's how it works on my systems. Part of the confusion is that mtr is NOT just a simple command line program. It is a command line program that also will work within X using the GTK toolkit. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 14:54:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.anu.edu.au (mail.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91137B41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:54:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nucl03.anu.edu.au (nucl03.anu.edu.au [150.203.19.120]) by mail.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03799; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:54:50 +1100 (EST) Received: (from gjl103@localhost) by nucl03.anu.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fAUMsJG13521; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:54:19 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gjl103) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:54:19 +1100 From: Greg Lane To: Matthew Emmerton Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ADSL PPPoE (Telstra Aust.) began to hang between 4.3- and 4.4-RELEASE Message-ID: <20011201095419.A13452@nucl03.anu.edu.au> References: <20011201011107.A9404@nucl03.anu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from matt@gsicomp.on.ca on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:46:37AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:46:37AM -0500, Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > I recently had the *exact* problem with some 4.3-REL machines. In my > case, it turned out that the telco had upgraded some equipment that > caused the problem. I had already read your email (it was a very recent thread right?). In any case, since I can back date to 4.3-RELEASE and everything works again, any telco equipment that causes the problem could have been in existence forever. I am unlikely to have any joy chasing that up. To reiterate, with exactly the same hardware and exactly the same ppp.conf setup on completely virgin installs, 4.3 works and 4.4 doesn't. Either I'm completely bonkers (I don't discount the possibility!!) or something changed in between, likely around August based on my cvsup history. The machine is a P60 or else I would go through making the world at weekly back-dates to narrow when the change occured. (I might start that process in the background anyway.) Surely someone with Telstra ADSL is using a recently dated version of FreeBSD 4-STABLE and can confirm or refute this problem. Perhaps Paul Hoadley whose guide "FreeBSD on Telstra's Bigpond ADSL network" I used to set this up originally? > Could it be possible that something in the PPP or PPPoE implementations > makes FreeBSD prone to problems in certain fringe situations? I have no idea. I hope not and have noticed no evidence before this!! Thanks for your input. Cheers, Greg P.S. I will not attach my original long email which described the problem. Please refer back to it if anyone thinks they can help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15: 1:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.25.224.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8E7F37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13535 invoked by uid 1007); 30 Nov 2001 23:06:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:06:09 +0100 From: Maciek To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: percent progress Message-ID: <20011201000609.A13518@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, can I have percent progress in mv or cp? Rodion To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15: 5:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED2F37B41C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:05:19 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Josh Paetzel Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:05:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C07A033.31410.4A3589@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011130165143.A469@twincat.vladsempire.net> References: <3C06D1E3.14504.211C039@localhost>; from pjklist@ekahuna.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:25:07AM -0800 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 Nov 2001, at 16:51, Josh Paetzel boldly uttered: > > I can't even find a manpage or other docs for "gtk" on the machine > > that now has it installed. I'm sure there might be something in the > > X11 or gnome directories that is some variation of "gtk", but are you > > starting to see my point about what I'm going through just to install > > a rudimentary command-line traceroute utility? > > > > > > Phil > > > The way the port is supposed to work is as follows: > If X is on the machine, install the port to use X. > If X is on the machine, and you do make WITHOUT_GTK=yes then it will > build the port in the command line version. > If X is not on the machine install as a command line util. > > That's how it works on my systems. > > Part of the confusion is that mtr is NOT just a simple command line > program. It is a command line program that also will work within X > using the GTK toolkit. > > Josh Fair enough - maybe it's a relative anomaly in that respect. On the other hand, I certainly would never expect something like a lynx port to care in the least about X or GTK or anything else GUI related.. so maybe it's a moot point. I only know that on one of my other boxes where I have installed mtr, there is no sign of GTK anywhere. (X is on there.. but probably because it was installed as a dependency for something. I don't use it) Maybe I installed it on that machine as a binary package.. but if so, I guess the package was compiled with "WANT_GTK= NO".. :-) -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:11: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D0B937B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011130231057.49178.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.6.141.173] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:10:57 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Re: Manual mount root for ATA100 To: Christopher Farley Cc: Ceri , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011130163410.B5454@northernbrewer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you Christopher, everything works great now! Jim --- Christopher Farley wrote: > Jim (dillweed58@yahoo.com) wrote: > > > You are right. I don't see any of those devices > in > > /dev. How do I MAKE them? > > If you've got the old controller in, as root: > > # cd dev > # sh MAKEDEV ad4 > # sh MAKEDEV ad5 > > And you probably need slice entries too, if I > recall. The following will > make adxs1a-h: > > # sh MAKEDEV ad4s1a > # sh MAKEDEV ad5s1a > > Then change your /etc/fstab, and reboot with the new > controller. > > -- > Christopher Farley > www.northernbrewer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:13:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFE937B41C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:13:35 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Philip Hallstrom Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:13:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C07A223.17681.51C70E@localhost> References: <3C0795FC.2746.224A5D@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011130143654.L95581-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 Nov 2001, at 14:40, Philip Hallstrom boldly uttered: > > On 30 Nov 2001, at 8:47, Kevin Oberman boldly uttered: > > > > > > From: "Philip J. Koenig" > > > > > > > > Furtheremore, if I were to uncomment "NO_X= true", what would have > > > > happened when I went to install the mtr port, which wanted gtk as a > > > > dependency? Would it automatically not fetch/compile XF86, or would > > > > it do it anyway because gtk is a dependency? Aren't the settings in > > > > make.conf just for building the base system? > > > > > > I'd have to look at the Makefile for mtr to see how it would handle > > > this. Some tools still install without a GUI and others will fail to > > > install, at all. > > > > > > Since I'm not a programmer and I only compile software to create > > pre-written applications, I'm not an expert on makefiles. How > > am I to determine such esoterica as how a port will behave if it > > encounters the directive "NO_X= true" in /etc/make.conf? > > > > > > In a cursory view of the mtr port's Makefile, there is nothing in > > there that references "X" or "X-Windows", or "Xfree86".. only the > > "WANT_GTK= yes" line. > > > > I still contend that life for us lowly non-programmers would be > > vastly more productive if the port's install script simply stopped at > > some point and asked "I see you don't have X installed - do you want > > to install that big monster, or just skip GUI support?". > > Although one could make the argument that it should ask about other > options as well... or perhaps ask any time it needs to install a > dependency... which could get pretty time consuming :) I put the > following in /etc/make.conf and don't think I've had a port try and > install X since... > > NO_GUI=1 > WITHOUT_X11=1 > > -philip I will try to use those as defaults in the future and see what happens. However people seem to be saying that in the example I gave, since X was not already on the system, it "should not" have fetched and installed it. If so, perhaps it was a bug in that particular port. Good suggestion though, I'll change the defaults on my boxes. Only one question: the directives you mention aren't in the /etc/defaults/make.conf here. There is just the previously mentioned "NO_X= " Are there a lot of directives not listed in the defaults file? -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:17:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from topaz.mdcc.cx (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D4537B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from k7.mavetju.org (topaz.mdcc.cx [212.204.230.141]) by topaz.mdcc.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8072B77B; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:17:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by k7.mavetju.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4A35D80; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:16:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:16:55 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Maciek Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: percent progress Message-ID: <20011201101655.K579@k7.mavetju.org> References: <20011201000609.A13518@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201000609.A13518@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl>; from dentysta@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 12:06:09AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 12:06:09AM +0100, Maciek wrote: > can I have percent progress in mv or cp? Not really percent progress (you should try something like Midnight Commandor for that, but you can give it a try with "cp -v" and "mv -v". See also the man-page for this kind of options Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.MavEtJu.org edwin@mavetju.org | Interested in MUDs? Visit Fatal Dimensions: ------------------+ http://www.FatalDimensions.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:25: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED0F37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-24-221-47-19.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.47.19] helo=sparky.suntreeaz.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 169x1b-0000eK-00; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:24:55 -0800 Received: from drs (drs.suntreeaz.com [192.168.254.19]) by sparky.suntreeaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fAUNOlo06605; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:24:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drs@suntreeaz.com) Message-ID: <02fb01c179f6$363bf7e0$13fea8c0@drs> From: "Don Sutter" To: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" References: Subject: Re: mgetty for dialup service? Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:24:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe, I'd be more than happy to assist you if I am able. I kind of get the impression that most (all UN*X based) ISP's know what is going on but it's not in their best interest(s) to share any information with this community. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "Don Sutter" Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: RE: mgetty for dialup service? > Don > I have been pounding this group for months on the subject of FBSD and > modems. This FBSD questions group is greatly lacking in expertise on the use > of modems to connect to ISP's and to dial in to FBSD from MS/windows. Even > the new FBSD Handbook has no real meaningful info on this subject. The > section on serial connections and user ppp for dial in/out in the new > handbook must have been written and reviewed by fools. From my reading and > research into the archives, mgetty, tip, and minicom are all left overs from > the 1970's before the start of ms/windows. They were designed for UNIX type > boxes to talk to each other. If you want to use the ms/windows dialer to > dial into a FBSD box you have to setup PPP on FBSD to accept dialin calls > because ms/windows is designed to dial in to a ISP expecting ppp with CHAT > to process ID/PW. I have setup a user ppp environment to use a modem to > dialout to my ISP and another modem to receive incoming calls from a > MS/windows box. When I dial my ISP I see the DSN IP address from my ISP get > placed in the resolv.conf file. When I dial in to the FBSD box from > ms/windows I get connected and can do a FBSD who command and see the login > name from my ms/windows box. But I can not get TN3270 to connect to FBSD, or > browse the internet with ms/explorer, or FTP any internet sites from > ms/windows. I am willing to give you the FBSD configuration files for what I > have working in return for your help in getting the whole thing working. I > am on FBSD 4.4. Once I have a working model and the understanding of what is > happening I want to write an update to the handbook for those people who > follow us. Let me know if you are interested and have the background to work > out the final bugs. > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Don Sutter > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:26 PM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: mgetty for dialup service? > > I would like to connect to my FreeBSD box and surf the > internet from home. Is mgetty the best way to connect > dialup Windows systems to the internet via my BSD > system -and- does anyone know a good tutorial on the > subject? > > Thanks > > Don Sutter > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:25:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7883337B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAUNP6b07710 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:25:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA06542 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:25:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 39575 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Nov 2001 23:25:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:25:02 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Message-ID: <20011130232502.GA32332@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: "Philip J. Koenig" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3C06C83C.24008.1EC0AD1@localhost> <3C079707.26404.265FFB@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C079707.26404.265FFB@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:26:15PM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > On 30 Nov 2001, at 12:27, Erik Trulsson boldly uttered: > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:43:56PM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2001, at 9:50, Igor Roboul boldly uttered: > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:51:26AM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > > requires retrieving 30MB of Xfree86 files, compiling and installing, > > > > > on a machine that doesn't run X? It seems to have something to do > > > > Check /usr/ports/net/mtr/Makefile and you'll see > > > > WANT_GTK= yes > > > > > > > > > OK, so what if: > > > > > > A) I don't know what GTK is > > > B) I don't know what changing that to "no" will do to the > > > functionality of the port I'm trying to install Changing it to "WANT_GTK=no" will do the same thing as "WANT_GTK=xyz" which is equivalent to "WANT_GTK=yes". The ports makefiles normally only check if a variable is defined or not, the exact value of the variable is not used. (There are a few exceptions to this. For example textproc/docproj requires you to set JADETEX to either "yes" or "no" but the port will stop and complain loudly otherwise.) > > > > Then don't bother about it. > > Ports using WANT_xxx mean: > > " If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise we will get by > > witout it." > > > That's contrary to my experience. In the described case, the action > was more like "If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise WE WILL > RETRIEVE AND INSTALL IT." See below. That is the way it works for me anyway, and that is the way it is supposed to work AFAIK. From reading the various makefiles the algorithm is as follows: If WANT_XXX is defined then XXX will be used if it is already installed or if WITH_XXX is defined. If XXX is not installed or if WITHOUT_XXX us defined then XXX will not be used. If XXX is to be used then it will be retrieved and installed if it is not already installed. For those ports that define WITH_XXX or explicitly declare a dependency on another port then that other port will always be used and retreived anmd installed if that has not already been done. > > For mtr, if you do not have X or GTK installed it is not supposed to > > fetch and build it. As far as I can determine from looking at the port > > it doesn't do that either unless you have changed something. > > > I DID NOT change anything. This is a brand-new 4.4-RELEASE install. > One of the very first things I did after rebooting the machine post- > install was to install the mtr port. I didn't change any port > settings, compile settings, or make settings. Then something is wrong somewhere. Just to check I tried building net/mtr on one of my machines which do *not* have X or GTK installed. Neither of them was fetched or installed. My guess is that the error is at your end. *Exactly* what did you do when you tried to install mtr ? -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:34: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5A737B43C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:41 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Erik Trulsson Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:33:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C07A6D9.23680.642BE2@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011130232502.GA32332@student.uu.se> References: <3C079707.26404.265FFB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1 Dec 2001, at 0:25, Erik Trulsson boldly uttered: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:26:15PM -0800, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > On 30 Nov 2001, at 12:27, Erik Trulsson boldly uttered: > > > > > > Then don't bother about it. > > > Ports using WANT_xxx mean: > > > " If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise we will get by > > > witout it." > > > > > > That's contrary to my experience. In the described case, the action > > was more like "If xxx is installed it will be used, otherwise WE WILL > > RETRIEVE AND INSTALL IT." See below. > > That is the way it works for me anyway, and that is the way it is > supposed to work AFAIK. [snip] > > > For mtr, if you do not have X or GTK installed it is not supposed to > > > fetch and build it. As far as I can determine from looking at the port > > > it doesn't do that either unless you have changed something. > > > > > > I DID NOT change anything. This is a brand-new 4.4-RELEASE install. > > One of the very first things I did after rebooting the machine post- > > install was to install the mtr port. I didn't change any port > > settings, compile settings, or make settings. > > Then something is wrong somewhere. > Just to check I tried building net/mtr on one of my machines which do > *not* have X or GTK installed. Neither of them was fetched or > installed. > > My guess is that the error is at > your end. *Exactly* what did you do when you tried to install mtr ? OK, that's easy: login: root password: cd /usr/ports/net/mtr make make install FYI: I did not do a "standard" install with pre-set distributions. I did a custom install selecting the stuff I wanted (which did not include X), then installed binary packages of things that I wanted that weren't in the standard distributions, and then after the install went to install the mtr port. -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:35:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F237B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:35:11 -0800 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: Philip Hallstrom Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:35:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I forced to install Xfree86? Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3C07A733.19619.658EA5@localhost> References: <3C07A223.17681.51C70E@localhost> In-reply-to: <20011130153045.G97735-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 Nov 2001, at 15:32, Philip Hallstrom boldly uttered: > My understanding is that the ports *will* try to install X... unless you > tell it not to... That's what ports do is install dependent apps on your > behalf :) > > Yeah, these don't exist in /etc/defaults/make.conf, but it doesn't matter. > /etc/make.conf gets read by any incarnation of make. the "NO_X" is when > you're building the system source code... > > -philip OK, thanks for the clarification. > > > NO_GUI=1 > > > WITHOUT_X11=1 > > > > > > -philip > > > > > > I will try to use those as defaults in the future and see what > > happens. However people seem to be saying that in the example I > > gave, since X was not already on the system, it "should not" have > > fetched and installed it. If so, perhaps it was a bug in that > > particular port. > > > > Good suggestion though, I'll change the defaults on my boxes. > > > > Only one question: the directives you mention aren't in the > > /etc/defaults/make.conf here. There is just the previously mentioned > > "NO_X= " Are there a lot of directives not listed in the defaults > > file? -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 15:55:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-105.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FDA37B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7BFD66B27; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:55:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 15:55:24 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: damon blom Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world Message-ID: <20011130155524.A80934@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from damon@lanset.com on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:51:42PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:51:42PM -0800, damon blom wrote: > FreeBSD-STABLE i386 (thinkpad) 4.4 > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../contrib/per > l5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu.bin/usr.bin/perl/perl > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c perlmain.c > ELF binary type not known. Use "brandelf" to brand it. > Abort trap Something is screwed up on your system - one of the binaries has lost its ELF branding (you didnt provide enough context to know what). ELF binary type not known. Use "brandelf" to brand it. Kris --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CBxrWry0BWjoQKURAg7hAJ9KL1c+aeG1hwiKM95GgWaqiqbxMgCg5Wn+ 5fSk7RJ36SNtoUEsHG3bz4s= =yDsr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 16:25:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from IMGate1.cshore.com (imgate1.cshore.com [63.237.136.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF3F37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dialup-uu-dynamic173.cshore.com [63.112.158.173]) by IMGate1.cshore.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CF14249D3; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:25:33 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matthew Graybosch Reply-To: matthew@starbreaker.net Organization: starbreaker.net Message-Id: <200111301928.29573@starbreaker.net> To: philwebb@piperain.com Subject: Re: Installing from ports Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:29:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com> In-Reply-To: <20011130182116.3C4CC3C4943@gateway.wvi.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 November 2001 13:21, you wrote: > When installing from ports I have taken to issuing my install > command as "make install clean" > > Should I be doing it step by step, ie "make" "make install" then > "make clean"? "make install clean" works just fine for me. - -- Matthew Graybosch http://www.starbreaker.net GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 "Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CCRTcCiK1X1IhlkRAgPgAKDbRAJhI08WVsXSZOZPOmGNV0PimACgh89U d33FtnBJVA+H2PNBLkHOOdY= =oOHj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 16:25:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from IMGate1.cshore.com (imgate1.cshore.com [63.237.136.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3760437B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (dialup-uu-dynamic173.cshore.com [63.112.158.173]) by IMGate1.cshore.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 08080249CE; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:25:30 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Matthew Graybosch Reply-To: matthew@starbreaker.net Organization: starbreaker.net Message-Id: <200111301906.0229@starbreaker.net> To: "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" Subject: From Linux to FreeBSD [formerly "*NIX Selection"] Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:27:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> In-Reply-To: <786CB48E65ABC74CA1E25577B096357F3FE7F6@EXSTUD2.d.ethz.ch> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 November 2001 12:35, you wrote: > What more is there in BSD that's not in Linux? I am a Linux user > since some years and I would be interested to run BSD on my old > machines. Well, BSD seems to yield better performance than Linux, and I've had a much easier time configuring it. I started with Red Hat, and moved to Mandrake after a week. After a few months I moved over to SuSE 'cos I wanted a more recent distro and there was a copy of 6.4 sitting in a CompUSA bargain bin for twenty bucks. I used SuSE up until August of this year, until I got frustrated with the piecemeal approach to upgrading (an RPM here, a source tarball there, and heaven help you if you try to use YaST to update the whole system). After that, I spent a couple of months with Slackware 8. Pardon my French if you're a religious man, but my experience with configuring and building Linux kernels is that it's a hard-working dirty bitch of a job. I've spent whole afternoons downloading the kernel, working through the options in Tcl/Tk config tool, building the kernel, and then hacking LILO to make the damn thing walk and talk. Then there's the ALSA drivers to contend with. I use an SBLive! for sound. While SuSE took care of the sound for me, I had to download, configure, and build ALSA when I moved over to Slackware, which meant another evening down the toilet. Add another day getting my printer and X11 to work the way I want them to. On the other hand, with FreeBSD I can configure the kernel in about 10 minutes, most of it spent reading the Handbook and the kernel config file, about 20 minutes going though the build process, and then 5 minutes to reboot. It took me that long to get sound working on a kernel tuned to my Athlon compared with roughly an 8-hour workday and a half setting up Linux. If I need to RTFM, I can find most of the info I need at the freebsd.org site. I can pick and choose the ports/packages I like, and if I build from source I don't have to settle for prebuilt generic binaries. Granted, I had similar customization options with Slackware, but there's that beastly Linux kernel to contend with. Besides, why settle for a Linux distro that apes BSD? Why settle for a Unix-like OS when you can have real Unix? Mind you, I'm not knocking Linux or claiming that it sucks. However, having used Linux at home for two years before switching to FreeBSD, I must conclude that I like FreeBSD better. - -- Matthew Graybosch http://www.starbreaker.net GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 "Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CCP4cCiK1X1IhlkRAm3jAKDMAAlvMfo801fMqzXsQRDx8bPcTwCfeVpT pcYTPS2iMN34JkgYhu9zQ/0= =zb7F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 16:45:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6F837B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA56723; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:44:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:44:44 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Maciek Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: percent progress In-Reply-To: <20011201000609.A13518@pc42.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maciek wrote to questions@FreeBSD.ORG: > Hi, > > can I have percent progress in mv or cp? Here's a more academic answer: You shouldn't really need one for mv, unless you are mv'ing thousands of files. (Note that if you mv a directory, even if it contains thousands (or millions) of files, that it completes with only one actual move operation... so it returns almost immediately). cp, on the other hand, could potentially support something like this. Someone already suggested using an existing file manager for this, which is a fine idea. One trouble with copying files, though, is one doesn't always know how much progress has been made. (i.e., cp from a special file), so it wouldn't be perfect. For most applications, though, it would be OK. It would be fairly trivial to extend cp(1) to include something like this, but it would cause funny results in a lot of scripts that don't expect any output from cp(1). You'd want to make a copy of the cp(1) source under a different name, and make your modifications there. Hope this helps, - Ryan > > Rodion > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 16:51:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2C37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D89A7855F; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:21:23 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:21:23 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Sergey Yastremsky Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix programmers wanted! Message-ID: <20011201112123.B611@monorchid.lemis.com> References: <004001c179a5$9c60aa30$0a01a8c0@dtw1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004001c179a5$9c60aa30$0a01a8c0@dtw1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] We have a mailing list FreeBSD-jobs@FreeBSD.org for this kind of message. Please don't send them to FreeBSD-questions. Greg On Friday, 30 November 2001 at 15:47:42 +0200, Sergey Yastremsky wrote: > Unix programmers wanted! > Requirements: > - At least three years CGI perl programming > - At least three years javascript experience. > - At least three years MySQL database programming experience. > - Must know unix environment including X-Windows. > - Must be located in Kiev. > > We develop applications on FreeBSD/Linux Unix OS. > Check our site with descriptions of our products at www.dreamtime.net > > If you match these requirements or know someone who does you need to BE the following: > (refferal fee is $25) > > 1. Reliable. This means you need to deliver the finished product timely. > 2. Honest. This means you must have integrity and we can count on you. > > 3. You have to be able to provide 20-40+ hours per week for us. > 4. Resume - Please send your resume with your first email to us in > PLAIN TEXT format! In Russian and English if you have both. > > Please contact us if you match our requirements. > We do not program on Windows and do not have any need for Windows > progammers at this time. > > Send your resumes to info@globalintele.com -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 16:52:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from teak.adhesivemedia.com (teak.adhesivemedia.com [207.202.159.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254DB37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (philip@localhost) by teak.adhesivemedia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB10oD104110; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@adhesivemedia.com) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:50:13 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Hallstrom To: Ryan Thompson Cc: Maciek , Subject: Re: percent progress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011130164903.G2924-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually mv could take a really long time if you move across filesystems because then it is really doing a cp and then a delete... It's not really an estimate and someone might have already suggested this (didn't see the whole thread) but you can always add the "-v" option to either mv or cp and watch the files go by... -philip On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Ryan Thompson wrote: > Maciek wrote to questions@FreeBSD.ORG: > > > Hi, > > > > can I have percent progress in mv or cp? > > Here's a more academic answer: > > You shouldn't really need one for mv, unless you are mv'ing thousands > of files. (Note that if you mv a directory, even if it contains > thousands (or millions) of files, that it completes with only one > actual move operation... so it returns almost immediately). > > cp, on the other hand, could potentially support something like this. > Someone already suggested using an existing file manager for > this, which is a fine idea. > > One trouble with copying files, though, is one doesn't always know how > much progress has been made. (i.e., cp from a special file), so it > wouldn't be perfect. For most applications, though, it would be OK. > > It would be fairly trivial to extend cp(1) to include something like > this, but it would cause funny results in a lot of scripts that don't > expect any output from cp(1). You'd want to make a copy of the cp(1) > source under a different name, and make your modifications there. > > Hope this helps, > - Ryan > > > > > > Rodion > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Ryan Thompson > Network Administrator, Accounts > > SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com > #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 > > Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon > Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 17: 4:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id B297337B416; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions Message-Id: <20011201010356.B297337B416@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update 3 September 1999 This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. ===================================================================== Contents: I: Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V: How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction =============== This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"). Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions ============================================== When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG. In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe freebsd-questions Greg Lehey Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as grog@lemis.de. Since then, I have changed it to grog@lemis.com. If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to FreeBSD-questions. If that's the case, you'll have to figure out which one it is and get your name taken off that one. If you're not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a clue there. If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things out for you. Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't help you. III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers? =================================================== Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD, FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers. In addition, the FreeBSD-newbies list caters specifically for people who are new to FreeBSD and may be having trouble getting used to the environment. In some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask. The following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however: If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ). There's a list of these questions at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.html, and also on your own system (once you've installed it) at /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ.html. Check there, and if you don't find an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions. Examples might be questions about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility. If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure, or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to FreeBSD-questions. If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. You should also enter a problem report with the send-pr utility. If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send the message to FreeBSD-hackers. If you're new to FreeBSD, and the message is about your own relationship to FreeBSD, send the message to FreeBSD-newbies. There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet Service Providers) who run FreeBSD. If you happen to be an ISP, this doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to FreeBSD-isp. The criteria above still apply, and it's in your interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good results that way. IV: How to submit a question ============================= When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the following points: 1. Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you follow these rules. It's much more possible to not get an answer if you don't. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message: they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests them. Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject. ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. A lot of badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly configured mailers. The following mailers are known to send out badly formatted messages without you finding out about them: Eudora exmh Microsoft Exchange Microsoft Internet Mail Microsoft Outlook Netscape As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent offenders. If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer. If you must use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set up correctly. Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers which don't get on very well with MIME. For further information on this subject, check out http://www.lemis.com/email.html. 4. Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly. This may seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred messages a day. They frequently sort the incoming messages by subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to look. 5. Don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 6. Specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No route to host'''. If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'''. If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the configuration. Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file? 7. If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend the message. Wait at least 24 hours. The FreeBSD mailer offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to get through. And once it gets through, the one person who might know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part of the world. 8. If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- V: How to follow up to a question ================================= Often you will want to send in additional information to a question you have already sent. The best way to do this is to reply to your original message. This has three advantages: 1. You include the original message text, so people will know what you're talking about. Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out, though. 2. The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to put one in, didn't you?). Many mailers will sort messages by subject. This helps group messages together. 3. The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the previous message. Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages, showing the exact relationships between the messages. VI: How to answer a question ============================ Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider: 1. A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to answering questions. Read them. 2. Has somebody already answered the question? The easiest way to check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all together. If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean that you shouldn't send another answer. But it makes sense to read all the other answers first. 3. Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been said? In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much, although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software. If you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further relevant information. 4. Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express himself very well. Even with the best understanding of the system, it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question. This doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question more frustrated or confused than ever. If nobody else answers, and you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more information. 5. Are you sure your answer is correct? If not, wait a day or so. If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI CD-ROM with a frog?". 6. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. Many people on the FreeBSD-questions are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to by others. If you take a message which is of general interest off the list, you're depriving these people of their information. Be careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with hundreds of CCs. If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc: lines appropriately. 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format, just reply to the submitter, not to the list. You can just send him this message in reply, if you like. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 17: 5: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id D1B1637B41A; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD", third edition: errata and addenda Message-Id: <20011201010356.D1B1637B41A@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, third edition Last revision: 2 August 1999 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, ``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut Creek, is no exception. In- evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. The following is a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos. They relate to the third edition, formatted on 17 May 1999. You'll find this information on page iv (the page before the beginning of the Table of Contents). See the end of this document for instructions on how to find the errata for an older version. You can get the current document in four forms: o A PostScript version, suitable for printing out, at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ps. See page 302 of the third edition to find out how to print out PostScript. If at all possible, please take this document: it's closest to the original text. Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible to reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version. o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.txt. When viewed with more or less, this version will show some highlighting and underlining. It's not suitable for direct viewing. o An ASCII-only version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ascii. This version is posted every week to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Only take this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning. o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-3.html. All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing source text of the book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well. If you find a Page 1 The Complete FreeBSD bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at Page ii _______ The instructions on page ii (opposite the title page) tell you to look at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2 for the errata list. That's wrong. Look at this list. Pages 190 and 191 _________________ The description is not very clear about which text appears when booting from floppy for initial install, and which appears when booting normally. The procedure is very similar, but there are some differences. Add the following text after the heading Boot messages: You'll boot your system in at least two different ways: initially you'll boot from floppy or CD-ROM in order to install the system. Later, after the system is installed, you'll boot from hard disk. The procedure is almost identical, so we'll look at both versions in the following examples. Replace the text from the middle of page 191 with: If you're booting from 1.44 MB floppies, you will then see: Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: When you insert the MFS root floppy and press Enter, you see more twirling batons, then the UserConfig screen appears. UserConfig: Modifying the boot configuration ____________________________________________ After the kernel has been loaded, the following screen will appear if you are installing the system, or if you have requested it with the -c option to the boot loader: Page 206 ________ The bottom two lines on this page should be in bold constant font, indicating that this is input for your /etc/rc.config file Page 2 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, third edition nfs_client_enable="YES" # This host is an NFS client (or NO). nfs_server_enable="YES" # This host is an NFS server (or NO). Page 265 ________ The example on the second half of the page refers to the old SCSI driver. The scsi program is no longer available in FreeBSD 3.x. Instead, use the camcontrol program. Replace the text with:. Modern disks make provisions for recovering from such errors by allocating an alternate sector for the data. IDE drives do this automatically, but with SCSI drives you have the option of enabling or disabling reallocation. Usually it is turned on when you buy them, but occasionally it is not. When installing a new disk, you should check that the parameters ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enable) and AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enable) are turned on. For example, to check and set the values for disk da1, you would enter: # camcontrol modepage da1 -m 1 -e -P 3 # scsi -f /dev/rda1c -m 1 -e -P 3 This command will start up your favourite editor (either the one specified in the EDITOR environment variable, or vi by default) with the following data: AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld): 0 ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld): 1 TB (Transfer Block): 0 RC (Read Continuous): 0 EER (Enable Early Recovery): 0 PER (Post Error): 0 DTE (Disable Transfer on Error): 0 DCR (Disable Correction): 0 Read Retry Count: 16 Correction Span: 41 Head Offset Count: 0 Data Strobe Offset Count: 0 Write Retry Count: 16 Recovery Time Limit: 0 The values for AWRE and ARRE should both be 1. If they aren't, as in this case, where AWRE is 0, change the data with the editor, save it, and exit. The camcontrol program will write the data back to the disk and enable the option. Page 3 The Complete FreeBSD Page 331 ________ The description of the config refers to the SCSI drive sd0. This is the old name; in FreeBSD version 3, SCSI drives are called da, so this reference should be da0. Thanks to Francisco Reyes for pointing out this problem. Page 362 ________ Replace the text at the top of the page with: Next, change to the build directory and build the kernel: # cd ../../compile/FREEBIE # make depend # make The make depend is needed even if the directory has just been created: apart from creating dependency information, it also creates some files needed for the build. Thanks to Mark Ovens for drawing this to my attention, and to Francisco Reyes and Bill Fumerola for pointing out that it still wasn't fixed in the third edition. Page 409 ________ The information on setting the default routers specified the wrong end of the PPP links in some places. It should always be the ``far'' end of the link. Replace the second example on page 409, and the text following it, with this text: defaultrouter="139.130.136.129" # Set to default gateway (or NO). static_routes="" # Set to static route list (or leave empty). gateway_enable="YES" # Set to YES if this host will be a gateway. This is the normal way to set the default route on a point-to-point interface. In fact, for PPP you don't need to specify the default address: the PPP packages will set it for you when the link comes up. This makes it possible to Page 4 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, third edition set default routes when you're forced to use dynamic IP addresses, where you don't know the address at this point. We'll see how PPP does this on page 446. In the first example on page 410, the sixth example on page 412 and the second example on page 413, replace the defaultrouter definition with: defaultrouter="139.130.237.65" # Set to default gateway (or NO). Thanks to Andreas Longwitz for pointing out this error. Getting errata for older editions of the book _____________________________________________ There have been a total of five different versions of ``The Complete FreeBSD''. The most accurate way to distinguish them is by the format date, which you'll find at the bottom of page iv (the page before the beginning of the Table of Contents) in all versions of the book. 1. The first was titled ``Installing and running FreeBSD'', and was formatted on 24 February 1996. No errata list exists for this book. 2. For the first edition (19 July 1996), get ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/er- rata-1. This same file is also available via the web link http://www.lemis.com/errata-1. I am no longer updating this errata list. 3. The list for the second edition (16 December 1997) is available in four forms: o A PostScript version, suitable for printing out, at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ps. See page 222 of the second edition to find out how to print out PostScript. If at all possible, please take this document: it's closest to the original text. Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible to reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version. o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.txt. When viewed with more or less, this version will show some highlighting and underlining. It's not suitable for direct viewing. o An ASCII-only version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ascii. This version is posted every week to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Only Page 5 Getting errata for older editions of the book take this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning. o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html. 4. The revised second edition was formatted on 11 February 1999. As the name suggests, it's not a complete new edition: in fact, only three chapters are different: o The chapter ``Setting up X11'' has been brought up to date. o Appendix D (``Contents of the Ports Collection'') has been replaced by two appendixes, ``Errata and Addenda'' (the errata list up to date at the time) and ``FreeBSD 3.0'', which describes the differences between FreeBSD 2.x and FreeBSD 3.x. There is no separate errata list for this book. Refer to the second edition errata list. 5. The current, third edition, formatted on 17 May 1999. This is the correct list for this edition. Page 6 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 17: 5:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 645) id 3F65437B419; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: "The Complete FreeBSD", second edition: errata and addenda Message-Id: <20011201010356.3F65437B419@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: grog@FreeBSD.ORG (Greg Lehey) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition Last revision: 21 June 1999 The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, ``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut Creek, is no exception. In- evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. The following is a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos. They relate to the second edition, formatted on 16 December 1997. If you have this book, please check this list. If you have the first edition of 19 July 1996, please check ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-1. This same file is also available via the web link http://www.lemis.com/. This list is available in four forms: o A PostScript version, suitable for printing out, at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ps. See page 222 of the book to find out how to print out PostScript. If at all possible, please take this document: it's closest to the original text. Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible to reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version. o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.txt. When viewed with more or less, this version will show some highlighting and underlining. It's not suitable for direct viewing. o An ASCII-only version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ascii. This version is posted every week to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Only take this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning. o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html. All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing source text of the book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well. If you find a Page 1 The Complete FreeBSD bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at General changes _______________ o In a number of places, I suggest the use of the following command to find process information: $ ps aux | grep foo Unfortunately, ps is sensitive to the column width of the terminal emulator upon which it is working. This command usually works fine on a relatively wide xterm, but if you're running on an 80-column terminal, it may truncate exactly the information you're looking for, so you end up with no output. You can fix that with the w option: $ ps waux | grep foo Thanks to Sue Blake for this information Location of the sample files ____________________________ On the 2.2.5 CD-ROM only, the location of the sample files does not match the specifications in the book (/book on the first CD-ROM). The 2.2.5 CD-ROM came out before the book, and it contains the files on the third (repository) CD-ROM as a single gzipped tar file /xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz. It contains the following files: drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/ drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/mutt/ -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 352 Oct 15 15:21 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.mail_aliases -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 9394 Oct 15 15:22 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.muttrc drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 0 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/ -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 18281 Oct 16 16:52 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.fvwm2rc -rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 1392 Oct 17 12:54 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-desktop -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 296 Oct 17 12:35 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.xinitrc -rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 622 Oct 17 13:51 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-rcfiles -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 1133 Oct 17 13:00 1997 cfbsd/scripts/Uutry -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 1028 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/README drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 0 Oct 18 19:32 1997 cfbsd/docs/ -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 199111 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.txt Page 2 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 189333 Oct 16 14:28 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.txt -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 188108 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.ps -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 226439 Oct 16 14:27 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.ps -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 788 Oct 16 15:01 1997 cfbsd/README -rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 248 Oct 17 11:52 1997 cfbsd/errata To extract one of these files, say cfbsd/docs/packages.txt, and assuming you have the CD-ROM mounted as /cdrom, enter: # cd /usr/share/doc # tar xvzf /cdrom/xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz cfbsd/docs/packages.txt See page 209 for more information on using tar. These files are an early version of what is described in the book. I'll put up some updated versions on ftp://ftp.lemis.com/ in the near future. Thanks to Frank McCormick for drawing this to my attention. Chapter 8: Setting up X11 _________________________ For FreeBSD 2.2.7, this chapter has changed sufficiently to make it impractical to distribute errata. You can download the PostScript version from ftp://www.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/xsetup.ps, or the ASCII version from ftp://www.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/xsetup.txt. No HTML version is available. Page xxxiv __________ Before the discussion of the shell prompts in the middle of the page, add: In this book, I recommend the use of the Bourne shell or one of its descendents (sh, bash, pdksh, ksh or zsh). With the exception of sh, they are all in the Ports Collection. I personally use the bash shell. This is a personal preference, and a recommendation, but it's not the standard shell. The standard BSD shell is the C shell (csh), which has a fuller- featured descendent tcsh. In particular, the standard installation sets the root user up with a csh. See page 152 (in this errata) for details of how to change the shell. Page 3 General changes Page 11: Reading the handbook _____________________________ The CD-ROM now includes Netscape. Replace the last paragraph on the page and the example on the following page with: If you're running X, you can use a browser like netscape to read the handbook. If you don't have X running yet, use lynx. Both of these programs are included on the CD-ROM. To install them, enter: # pkg_add /cdrom/packages/All/netscape-communicator-4.5.tgz or # pkg_add /cdrom/packages/All/lynx-2.8.1.1.tgz The numbers after the name (4.5 and 2.8.1.1) may change after this book has been printed. Use ls to list the names if you can't find these particular versions. Note that lynx is not a complete substitute for netscape: since it is text- only, it is not capable of displaying the large majority of web pages correctly. It will suffice for reading most of the handbook, however. Thanks to Stuart Henderson and for drawing this to my attention. Page 12: Printing the handbook ______________________________ The instructions for formatting the handbook are obsolete. Replace the section starting Alternatively, you can print out the handbook with the following text: Alternatively, you can print out the handbook. You need to have the documentation sources (/usr/doc) installed on your system. You can find them on the second CD-ROM in the directory of the same name. To install them, first mount your CD-ROM (see page 175). Then enter: $ cd /cdrom/usr/doc/handbook $ mkdir -p /usr/doc/handbook you may need to be root for this operation $ cp -pr * /usr/doc/handbook You have a choice of formats for the output: o ascii will give you plain 7-bit ASCII output, suitable for reading on a character-mode terminal. Page 4 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition o html will give you HTML output, suitable for browsing with a web browser. o latex will give you LATEX format, suitable for further processing with TEX and LATEX. o ps will give you PostScript output, probably the best choice for printing. o roff will give you output in troff source. You can process this output with nroff or troff, but it's currently not very polished. LATEX output is a better choice if you want to process it further. Once you have decided your format, use make to create the document. For example, if you decide on PostScript format, you would enter: $ make FORMATS=ps This creates a file handbook.ps which you can then print to a PostScript printer or with the aid of ghostscript (see page 222). Thanks to Bob Beer for drawing this to my attention. Page 45: Preparing floppies for installation _____________________________________________ Replace the paragraph below the list of file names (in the middle of the page) with: The floppy set should contain the file bin.inf and the ones whose names start with bin. followed by two letters. These other files are all 240640 bytes long, except for the final one which is usually shorter. Use the MS-DOS COPY program to copy as many files as will fit onto each disk (5 or 6) until you've got all the distributions you want packed up in this fashion. Copy each distribution into subdirectory corresponding to the base name--for example, copy the bin distribution to the files A:\BIN\BIN.INF, A:\BIN\BIN.AA and so on. Page 80 and 81 ______________ In a couple of examples, the FreeBSD partition is shown as type 164. It should be 165. Thanks to an unknown contributer for this correction (sorry, I lost your name). Page 5 General changes Page 88: setting up for dumping _______________________________ The example mentions a variable savecore in /etc/rc.conf. This variable is no longer used--it's enough to set the variable dumpdev. Page 92 _______ At the end of the section How to install a package add the text: Alternatively, you can install packages from the /stand/sysinstall Final Configuration Menu. We saw this menu on page in figure 4-14 on page 71. When you start sysinstall from the command line, you get to this menu by selecting Index, and then selecting Configure. Page 93 _______ Before the heading Install ports from the first CD-ROM add: Install ports when installing the system ________________________________________ The file ports/ports.tgz on the first CD-ROM is a tar archive containing all the ports. You can install it with the base system if you select the Custom distribution and include the ports collection. If you didn't install them at the time, use the following method to install them all (about 40 MB). Make sure your CD-ROM is mounted (in this example on /cdrom), and enter: Page 96 _______ Replace the example at the top of the page with: Instead, do: # cd /cd4/ports/distfiles # mkdir -p /usr/ports/distfiles make sure you have a distfiles directory # for i in *; do > ln -s /cd4/ports/distfiles/$i /usr/ports/distfiles/$i > done Page 6 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition If you're using csh or tcsh, enter: # cd /cd4/ports/distfiles # mkdir -p /usr/ports/distfiles make sure you have a distfiles directory # foreach i (*) ? ln -s /cd4/ports/distfiles/$i /usr/ports/distfiles/$i ? end Thanks to Christopher Raven and Francois Jacques for drawing this to my attention. Page 104 ________ The examples at the bottom of the page and the top of the next page specify the wrong directory (/usr). It should be /usr/X11R6. Replace the examples with: For a full install, choose /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz. If you are using sh, enter: # cd /usr/X11R6 # for i in /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz; do # tar xzf $i # done If you are using csh, enter: % cd /usr/X11R6 % foreach i (/cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz) % tar xzf $i % end For a minimal installation, first choose a server archive corresponding to your VGA board. If table 8-2 on page 103 doesn't give you enough information, check the server man pages, starting on page 1545, which list the VGA chip sets supported by each server. For example, if you have an ET4000 based board you will use the XF86_SVGA server. In this case you would enter: # cd /usr/X11R6 # tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331SVGA.tgz substitute your server name here # for i in bin fnts lib xicf; do # tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331$i.tgz # done Page 7 Install ports when installing the system If you are using csh, enter: % cd /usr/X11R6 % tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331SVGA.tgz substitute your server name here % foreach i (bin fnts lib xicf) % tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/$i % end Thanks to Manuel Enrique Garcia Cuesta for pointing out this one. Page 128 ________ Replace the complete text below the example with the following: These values are defaults, and many are either incorrect for FreeBSD (for example the device name /dev/com1) or do not apply at all (for example Xqueue). If you are configuring manually, select one Protocol and one Device entry from the following selection. If you must use a two-button mouse, uncomment the keyword Emulate3Buttons--in this mode, pressing both mouse buttons simultane- ously within Emulate3Timeout milliseconds causes the server to report a middle button press. Section "Pointer" Protocol "Microsoft" for Microsoft protocol mice Protocol "MouseMan" for Logitech mice Protocol "PS/2" for a PS/2 mouse Protocol "Busmouse" for a bus mouse Device "/dev/ttyd0" for a mouse on the first serial port Device "/dev/ttyd1" for a mouse on the second serial port Device "/dev/ttyd2" for a mouse on the third serial port Device "/dev/ttyd3" for a mouse on the fourth serial port Device "/dev/psm0" for a PS/2 mouse Device "/dev/mse0" for a bus mouse Emulate3Buttons only for a two-button mouse EndSection You'll notice that the protocol name does not always match the manufacturer's Page 8 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition name. In particular, the Logitech protocol only applies to older Logitech mice. The newer ones use either the MouseMan or Microsoft protocols. Nearly all modern serial mice run one of these two protocols, and most run both. If you are using a bus mouse or a PS/2 mouse, make sure that the device driver is included in the kernel. The GENERIC kernel contains drivers for both mice, but the PS/2 driver is disabled. Use UserConfig (see page 50) to enable it. Page 140 ________ Just before the paragraph The super user add the following paragraph: If you do manage to lose the root password, all may not be lost. Reboot the machine to single user mode (see page 157), and enter: # mount -u / mount root file system read/write # mount /usr mount /usr file system (if separate) # passwd root change the password for root Enter new password: Enter password again: # ^D enter ctrl-D to continue with startup If you have a separate /usr file system (the normal case), you need to mount it as well, since the passwd program is in the directory /usr/bin. Note that you should explicitly state the name root: in single user mode, the system doesn't have the concept of user IDs. Page 148 ________ Replace the text at the top of the page with: Modern shells supply command line editing which resembles the editors vi or Emacs. In bash, sh, ksh, and zsh you can make the choice by entering Page 152 ________ After figure 10-8, add the following text: It would be tedious for every user to put settings in their private initialization files, so the shells also read a system-wide default file. For the Bourne shell family, it is /etc/profile, while the C shell family has three Page 9 Install ports when installing the system files: /etc/csh.login to be executed on login, /etc/csh.cshrc to be executed when a new shell is started after you log in, and /etc/csh.logout to be executed when you stop a shell. The start files are executed before the corresponding individual files. In addition, login classes (page 141) offer another method of setting environment variables at a global level. Changing your shell ___________________ The FreeBSD installation gives root a C shell, csh. This is the traditional Berkeley shell, but it has a number of disadvantages: command line editing is very primitive, and the script language is significantly different from that of the Bourne shell, which is the de facto standard for shell scripts: if you stay with the C shell, you may still need to understand the Bourne shell. The latest version of the Bourne shell sh also includes some command line editing. See page 148 for details of how to enable it. You can get better command line editing with tcsh, in the Ports Collection. You can get both better command line editing and Bourne shell syntax with bash, also in the Ports Collection. If you have root access, you can use vipw to change your shell, but there's a more general way: use chsh (Change Shell). Simply run the program. It starts your favourite editor (as defined by the EDITOR environment variable). Here's an example before: #Changing user database information for velte. Shell: /bin/csh Full Name: Jack Velte Location: Office Phone: Home Phone: You can change anything after the colons. For example, you might change this to: #Changing user database information for velte. Shell: /usr/local/bin/bash Full Name: Jack Velte Location: On the road Office Phone: +1-408-555-1999 Home Phone: Page 10 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition chsh checks and updates the password files when you save the modifications and exit the editor. The next time you log in, you get the new shell. chsh tries to ensure you don't make any mistakes--for example, it won't let you enter the name of a shell which isn't mentioned in the file /etc/shells--but it's a very good idea to check the shell before logging out. You can try this with su, which you normally use to become super user: bumble# su velte Password: su-2.00$ note the new prompt There are a couple of problems in using tcsh or bash as a root shell: o The shell for root must be on the root file system, otherwise it will not work in single user mode. Unfortunately, most ports of shells put the shell in the directory /usr/local/bin, which is almost never on the root file system. o Most shells are dynamically linked: they rely on library routines in files such as /usr/lib/libc.a. These files are not available in single user mode, so the shells won't work. You can solve this problem by creating statically linked versions of the shell, but this requires programming experience beyond the scope of this book. If you can get hold of a statically linked version, perform the following steps to install it: o Copy the shell to /bin, for example: # cp /usr/local/bin/bash /bin o Add the name of the shell to /etc/shells, in this example the line in bold print: # List of acceptable shells for chpass(1). # Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using # one of these shells. /bin/sh /bin/csh /bin/bash You can then change the shell for root as described above. Page 11 Install ports when installing the system Thanks to Lars Koller for drawing this to my attention. Page 160 ________ Replace the text at the fourth bullet with the augmented text: The second-level boot locates the kernel, by default the file /kernel on the root file system, and loads it into memory. It prints the Boot: prompt at this point so that you can influence this choice--see the man page on page 579 for more details of what you can enter at this prompt. Page 169 ________ Replace the last paragraph on the page with: The standard solution for these problems is to relocate the /tmp file system to a different directory, say /usr/tmp, and create a symbolic link from /usr/tmp to /tmp--see Chapter 4, Installing FreeBSD, page 72, for more details. Thanks to Charlie Sorsby for drawing this to my attention. Page 176 ________ Add the following paragraph Unmounting file systems When you mount a file system, the system assumes it is going to stay there, and in the interests of efficiency it delays writing data back to the file system. This is the same effect we discussed on page 158. As a result, if you want to stop using a file system, you need to tell the system about it. You do this with the umount command. Note the spelling--there's no n in the command name. You need to do this even with read-only media such as CD-ROMs: the system assumes it can access the data from a mounted file system, and it gets quite unhappy if it can't. Where possible, it locks removable media so that you can't remove them from the device until you unmount them. Using umount is straightforward: just tell it what to unmount, either the device name or the directory name. For example, to unmount the CD-ROM we Page 12 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition mounted in the example above, you could enter one of these commands: # umount /dev/cd1a # umount /cd1 Before unmounting a file system, umount checks that nobody is using it. If somebody is using it, it will refuse to unmount it with a message like umount: /cd1: Device busy. This message often occurs because you have changed your directory to a directory on the file system you want to remove. For example (which also shows the usefulness of having directory names in the prompt): === root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) /cd1 16 -> umount /cd1 umount: /cd1: Device busy === root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) /cd1 17 -> cd === root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) ~ 18 -> umount /cd1 === root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) ~ 19 -> Thanks to Ken Deboy for pointing out this omission. Page 180 ________ The example in the middle of the page should read: For example, to generate a second set of 32 pseudo-terminals, enter: # cd /dev # ./MAKEDEV pty1 You can generate up to 256 pseudo-terminals. They are named ttyp0 through ttypv, ttyq0 through ttyqv, ttyr0 through ttyrv, ttys0 through ttysv, ttyP0 through ttyPv, ttyQ0 through ttyQv, ttyR0 through ttyRv and ttyS0 through ttySv. To create each set of 32 terminals, use the number of the set: the first set is pty0, and the eighth set is pty7. Note that some processes, such as xterm, only look at ttyp0 through ttysv. Thanks to Karl Wagner for pointing out this error. Page 197, first line ____________________ The text of the first full sentence reads: Page 13 Install ports when installing the system The first name, up the the symbol, is the label. In fact, it should read: The first name, up to the | symbol, is the label. Page 208, middle of page ________________________ The example shows the file name /dev/rst0 when using the Bourne shell, and /dev/nrst0 when using C shell and friends. This is inconsistent; use /dev/nrst0 with any shell if you want a non-rewinding tape, or /dev/rst0 if you want a rewinding tape. Thanks to Norman C Rice for pointing out this one. Page 219 ________ Before the section Testing the spooler add the following section: As we saw above, the line printer daemon lpd is responsible for printing spooled jobs. By default it isn't started at boot time. If you're root, you can start it by name: # lpd Normally, however, you will want it to be started automatically when the system starts up. You do this by setting the variable lpd_enable in /etc/rc.conf: lpd_enable="YES" # Run the line printer daemon See page for more details of /etc/rc.conf. Another line in /etc/rc.conf refers to the line printer daemon: lpd_flags="" # Flags to lpd (if enabled). You don't normally need to change this line. See the man page for lpd for details of the flags. Thanks to Tommy G. James for bringing this to my attention. Page 14 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition Page 231 ________ Replace the first line of the example with: xhost presto bumble gw The original version allowed anybody on the Internet to access your system. Thanks to Jerry Dunham for drawing this one to my attention. Page 237 ________ In the section Installing the sample desktop, replace the first paragraph with: You'll find all the files described in this chapter on the first CD-ROM (Installation CD-ROM) in the directory /book. Remember that you must mount the CD-ROM before you can access the files--see page 175 for further details. The individual scripts are in the directory /book/scripts, but you'll probably find it easier to install them with the script install-desktop: Thanks to Chris Kaiser for drawing this to my attention. Page 242 ________ The instructions for extracting the source files from CD-ROM in the middle of page 242 are incorrect. You'll find the kernel sources on the first CD-ROM in the directory /src. Replace the example with: # mkdir -p /usr/src/sys # ln -s /usr/src/sys /sys # cd / # cat /cdrom/src/ssys.[a-d]* | tar xzvf - Thanks to Raymond Noel , Suttipan Limanond and Satwant for finding this one in several small slices. Page 15 Install ports when installing the system Page 257 ________ Replace the paragraph Berkeley Packet Filter with: pseudo-device bpfilter ______________________ The Berkeley Packet Filter (bpf) allows you to capture packets crossing a network interface to disk or to examine them with the tcpdump program. Note that this capability represents a significant compromise of network security. The number after bpfilter is the number of concurrent processes that can use the facility. Not all network interfaces support bpf. In order to use the Berkeley Packet Filter, you must also create the device nodes /dev/bpf0 to /dev/bpf3 (if you're using the default number 4). Current- ly, MAKEDEV doesn't help much--you need to create each device separately: # cd /dev # ./MAKEDEV bpf0 # ./MAKEDEV bpf1 # ./MAKEDEV bpf2 # ./MAKEDEV bpf3 Thanks to Christopher Raven for drawing this to my attention. Page 264 ________ In the list of disk driver flags, add: o Bit 12 (0x1000) enables LBA (logical block addressing mode). If this bit is not set, the driver accesses the disk in CHS (cylinder/head/sector) mode. o In CHS mode, if bits 11 to 8 are not equal to 0, they specify the number of heads to assume (between 1 and 15). The driver recalculates the number of cylinders to make up the total size of the disk. Page 16 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition Page 273, ``Building the kernel'' _________________________________ Replace the example with: Next, change to the build directory and build the kernel: # cd ../../compile/FREEBIE # make depend # make The make depend is needed even if the directory has just been created: apart from creating dependency information, it also creates some files needed for the build. Thanks to Mark Ovens for drawing this to my attention. Page 283, ``Creating the source tree'' ______________________________________ Add a third point to what you need to know: 3. Possibly, the date of the last update that you want to be included in the checkout. If you specify this date, cvs ignores any more recent updates. This option is often useful when somebody discovers a recently introduced bug in -CURRENT: you check out the modules as they were before the bug was introduced. You specify the date with the -D option, for example -D "10 December 1997". Page 285, after the second example. ___________________________________ Add the text: If you need to check out an older version, for example if there are problems with the most recent version of -CURRENT, you could enter: # cvs co -D "10 December 1997" src/sys This command checks out the kernel sources as of 10 December 1997. Page 17 Install ports when installing the system Page 294 ________ Add the following section: Problems executing Linux binaries _________________________________ One of the problems with the ELF format used by more recent Linux binaries is that they usually contain no information to identify them as Linux binaries. They might equally well be BSD/OS or UnixWare binaries. That's not really a problem at this point, since the only ELF format that FreeBSD 3.2 understands is Linux, but FreeBSD-CURRENT recognizes a native FreeBSD ELF format as well, and of course that's the default. If you want to run a Linux ELF binary on such a system, you must brand the executable using the program brandelf. For example, to brand the StarOffice program swriter3, you would enter: # brandelf -t linux /usr/local/StarOffice-3.1/linux-x86/bin/swriter3 Thanks to Dan Busarow for bringing this to my attention. Page 364, middle of page ________________________ Change the text from: The names MYADDR and HISADDR are keywords which represent the addresses at each end of the link. They must be written as shown, though they may be in lower case. to The names MYADDR and HISADDR are keywords which represent the addresses at each end of the link. They must be written as shown, though newer versions of ppp allow you to write them in lower case. Thanks to Mark S. Reichman for this correction. Page 368 ________ Replace the paragraph after the second example with: In FreeBSD version 3.0 and later, specify the options PPP_BSDCOMP and Page 18 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition PPP_DEFLATE to enable two kinds of compression. You'll also need to specify the corresponding option in Kernel PPP's configuration file. These options are not available in FreeBSD version 2. Thanks to Brian Somers for this information. Page 397 ________ In the section ``Nicknames'', the example should read: www IN CNAME freebie ftp IN CNAME presto In other words, there should be a space between CNAME and the system name. Page 422 ________ Replace the text above the example with: tcpdump is a program which monitors a network interface and displays selected information which passes through it. It uses the Berkeley Packet Filter (bpf), an optional component of the kernel. It is not included in the GENERIC kernel: see page 257 for information on how to configure it. If you don't configure the Berkeley Packet Filter, you will get a message like tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: device not configured If you forget to create the devices for bpf, you will get a message like: tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: No such file or directory Since tcpdump poses a potential security problem, you must be root in order to run it. The simplest way to run it is without any parameters. This will cause tcpdump to monitor and display all traffic on the first active network interface, normally Ethernet: Thanks to Christopher Raven for drawing this to my attention. Page 19 Install ports when installing the system Page 423 ________ The description at the top of the page incorrectly uses the term IP address instead of Ethernet address. In addition, a page number reference is incorrect. Replace the paragraph with: o Line 1 shows an ARP request: system presto is looking for the Ethernet address of wait. It would appear that wait is currently not responding, since there is no reply. o Line 2 is not an IP message at all. tcpdump shows the Ethernet addresses and the beginning of the packet. We don't consider this kind of request in this book. o Line 3 is a broadcast ntp message. We looked at ntp on page 160. o Line 4 is another attempt by presto to find the IP address of wait. o Line 5 is a broadcast message from bumble on the rwho port, giving information about its current load averages and how long it has been up. See the man page for rwho on page 1167 for more information. o Line 6 is from a TCP connection between port 6000 on freebie and port 1089 on presto. It is sending 384 bytes (with the sequence numbers 536925467 to 536925851; see page 305), and is acknowledging that the last byte it received from presto had the sequence number 325114346. The window size is 17280. o Line 7 is another ARP request. presto is looking for the Ethernet address of freebie. How can that happen? We've just seen that they have a TCP connection. In fact, ARP information expires after 20 minutes. It's quite possible that all connections between presto and freebie have been dormant for this period, so presto needs to find freebie's IP address again. o Line 8 is the ARP reply from freebie to presto giving its Ethernet address. o Line 9 shows a reply from presto on the connection to freebie that we saw on line 6. It acknowledges the data up to sequence number 536925851, but doesn't send any itself. o Line 10 shows another 448 bytes of data from freebie to presto, and acknowledging the same sequence number from presto as in line 6. Thanks to Sergei S. Laskavy for drawing this to my Page 20 Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition attention. Page 450: anonymous ftp _______________________ Replace the paragraph starting with Create a user ftp: Create a user ftp, with the anonymous ftp directory as the home directory and the shell /dev/null. Using /dev/null as the shell makes it impossible to log in as user ftp, but does not interfere with the use of anonymous ftp. ftp can be a member of group bin, or you can create a new group ftp by adding the group to /etc/group. See page 138 for more details of adding users, and the man page on page 805 for adding groups. Thanks to Mark S. Reichman for drawing this to my attention. Page 466, before the ps example _______________________________ Add another bullet: o Finally, you may find it convenient to let some other system handle all your mail delivery for you: you just send anything you can't deliver locally to this other host, which sendmail calls a smart host. This is particularly convenient if you send your mail with UUCP. To tell sendmail to use a smart host (in our case, mail.example.net), find the following line in sendmail.cf: # "Smart" relay host (may be null) DS Change it to: # "Smart" relay host (may be null) DSmail.example.net Page 478, ``Running Apache'' ____________________________ The text describes the location of the server as /usr/local/www/server/httpd. This appears to depend on where you get the port from. Some people report the file being at the more likely location /usr/local/sbin/httpd (though note the Page 21 Install ports when installing the system directory sbin, not bin). Check both locations if you run into trouble. Thanks to Sue Blake for this information. Page 492 ________ Replace references to nmdb with nmbd. Page 493 ________ Replace the last paragraph on the page with: socket options is hardly mentioned in the documentation, but it's very important: many Microsoft implementations of TCP/IP are inefficient and establish a new TCP more often than necessary. Select the socket options TCP_NODELAY and IPTOS_LOWDELAY, which can speed up the response time of such applications by over 95%. Page 22 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 17:25:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web13407.mail.yahoo.com (web13407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9671D37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011201012512.70905.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.111.214.65] by web13407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:25:12 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:25:12 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Dempsey Subject: Re: Athlon MP systems... To: "Brian J. McGovern" , questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200111301819.fAUIJTg04639@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using the same MB with Athlon MP 1000's, and it works great. No problems whatsoever, barring my own mistake in not buying registered memory. Check http://www.tyan.com/support/html/pc2100_th_k7.html to be sure you get the correct memory. Best of luck, Chris Dempsey --- "Brian J. McGovern" wrote: > I'm curious if anyone has experience with using > Athlon MP processors. I've > been looking at picking up something like a Tyan > S2460, and dropping a couple > of Athlon MP 1600+ processors on it. > > I'm curious if anyone has had good/bad luck with it, > and their source for > the MP chips (everyone seems to be selling the MBs, > Athlons, and the XP > chips, but none of the major catalogs seem to stock > the MP 1600+s). > > Thanks. > -Brian > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 17:31:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE15D37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from swbell.net ([64.218.67.115]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GNN00AEJ5K4C2@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:31:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:31:37 -0600 From: David Powers Subject: Re: DSL questions To: darryl@osborne-ind.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <3C0832F9.C6ADE764@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <000e01c179b0$d49082d0$0701a8c0@darryl> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I converted an old computer laying around into just want you are asking about. Two nics in the FreeBSD box, one connects to the DSL modem and the other to my switch. Uses IPFW to filter out traffic that I don't want on my network. Had an uptime of six months until I took the box down to give the inside a cleaning and inspect all of the cooling fans and such. Darryl Hoar wrote: > > Greetings, > My ISP just installed DSL at our fascility. The box they > installed is a SpeedStream 5660. This appears to be a > Adsl modem/router, with built in PPPoE client. The ISP > recommends we buy a SonicWall XPRS2 firewall to put in front > of the SpeedStream, and they will convert the SpeedStream to > a Bridge. > > My question is, since the SonicWall costs about $1300, can I > use a freebsd box running PPPoE, nat, firewall, etc to do > the exact same thing? Are there any drawbacks? Have DSL live > now, but not using it until I figure out the security. > > thanks, > Darryl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 18:25:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h013.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3975137B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 25570 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2001 18:25:55 -0800 Received: from 64.195.103.89 (HELO boethius.telocity.com) by smtp.telocity.com (209.228.33.220) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2001 18:25:55 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Dec 2001 02:25:55 GMT Received: by boethius.telocity.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C386A1F47; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:25:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:25:54 -0600 From: Anthony Kim To: Patrick O'Reilly Cc: FreeBSD Question List Subject: Re: Sendmail Domains Message-ID: <20011201022554.GA61990@boethius.telocity.com> Mail-Followup-To: Patrick O'Reilly , FreeBSD Question List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > I'm running a few sendmail mail servers, so I'm reasonably familiar with > the basics of sendmail. > > But, now I need to configure a mail server with sendmail to host mail > for multiple domains. The part that bothers me is what happens when I > want to create an account for patrick@dom2.com when there is already a > patrick@dom2.com. These must be _separate_ accounts. But, using email > accounts based on users in /etc/passwd will obviously not handle this > correctly. I recall mention of virtual user tables in connection with > sendmail. Is that the solution to my problem, or what. This doesn't make any sense. Are you saying, there already exists a local user named patrick, who does not receive mail as patrick@dom2.com. Instead, some other user, wants to receive mail using the address patrick@dom2.com ? Or, are you saying, patrick@dom2.com needs to go to 2 separate mailboxes? Did you read the sample files in FreeBSD:/etc/mail ? Did the FAQ help you at www.sendmail.org ? Write back if you need more help. -- "Le motd juste." 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 18:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mailin10.bigpond.com (mailin10.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A722C37B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wskatinka ([144.135.24.69]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNN9GH00.8EB; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:55:29 +1000 Received: from 144.137.224.50 ([144.137.224.50]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9k 8311/17961503); 01 Dec 2001 12:48:39 Message-ID: <01cb01c17a13$619904b0$fe00a8c0@wskatinka> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: "Matthew Emmerton" Cc: , , References: Subject: Re: PPPoE Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:53:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Matthew and others, With the -nat option turned off and natd running, the client machines could not ping outside my network, I could ftp and ssh into my gateway, but I could not get "outside". If I ssh'd to the gateway, I could ping the network, and ping outside. To me it said hey we are not natting, but natd.conf looks like it has all the options it should need to allow it to work Regards, Kat. ____________________________________________________________________________ /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 ____________________________________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "Kathy Quinlan" Cc: ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: Re: PPPoE > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Kathy Quinlan wrote: > > > > > nat should be enabled in ppp, but put natd lines in your rc.conf too (as > > > > per /etc/defaults/rc.conf).... > > > > > > Actually, no. You can only use PPP's NAT facility *or* /sbin/natd (aka > > > natd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf.) Attempting to use both at the same > > > time will just cause problems. If you don't have any special > > > requirements, PPP's NAT will work just fine. > > > > OK I have a question then (as I heard the same that both cause a problem) > > > > I disable nat in ppp.conf and no machines can access the outside world, I > > know natd is running, as I have a port 80 redirection with it. any ideas ?? > > It could be a number of things. From the client machines that can't > seem to access the Internet, can you ping out or just not surf? > > -- > Matt Emmerotn > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 19: 2:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA7F37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16A0Pn-00070E-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:02:07 +0100 Received: from pd950c7bc.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.199.188]) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16A0Pn-00077x-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:02:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:00:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: JAVA-applets crash mozilla Message-ID: <20011201014716.R1589-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I still do not believe that mozilla supports JAVA as some people on this list say. But I installed linux-jdk1.3.1 and a linux-build (0.9.6) from mozilla.org into /usr/local. Then I linked jdk's libjavaplugin_oji.so into mozilla's plugins directory. After this I restarted mozilla and tried to visit java.sun.com and off it went (pages without JAVA run fine, of course). What now? Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 19:25:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A4637B417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17445; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:25:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011130212511.010dd790@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:25:11 -0600 To: "Kathy Quinlan" , "Matthew Emmerton" From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: PPPoE Cc: , In-Reply-To: <01cb01c17a13$619904b0$fe00a8c0@wskatinka> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I have been booted up and connected to DSL for the first time and running for almost 7 days straight with the following: ##rc.conf natd_enable="YES" ppp_nat="YES" ##ppp.conf nat enable yes Once I have to boot again, I was going to disable ppp_nat="YES" to see what happened. When doing the first setup, without the natd_enable="YES" the network clients could not resolve DNS to internet.... I'm still just a "baby" on this new DSL.... Confused...???? At 10:53 AM 12.1.2001 +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote: >Hi Matthew and others, > >With the -nat option turned off and natd running, the client machines could >not ping outside my network, I could ftp and ssh into my gateway, but I >could not get "outside". If I ssh'd to the gateway, I could ping the >network, and ping outside. To me it said hey we are not natting, but >natd.conf looks like it has all the options it should need to allow it to >work > > >Regards, > >Kat. > >____________________________________________________________________________ > /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics > \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering > X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia > / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 >____________________________________________________________________________ > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthew Emmerton" >To: "Kathy Quinlan" >Cc: ; ; > >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 12:06 AM >Subject: Re: PPPoE > > >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Kathy Quinlan wrote: >> >> > > > nat should be enabled in ppp, but put natd lines in your rc.conf too >(as >> > > > per /etc/defaults/rc.conf).... >> > > >> > > Actually, no. You can only use PPP's NAT facility *or* /sbin/natd >(aka >> > > natd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf.) Attempting to use both at the >same >> > > time will just cause problems. If you don't have any special >> > > requirements, PPP's NAT will work just fine. >> > >> > OK I have a question then (as I heard the same that both cause a >problem) >> > >> > I disable nat in ppp.conf and no machines can access the outside world, >I >> > know natd is running, as I have a port 80 redirection with it. any ideas >?? >> >> It could be a number of things. From the client machines that can't >> seem to access the Internet, can you ping out or just not surf? >> >> -- >> Matt Emmerotn >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 19:34:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd01.granitepost.com (fbsd01.granitepost.com [209.150.104.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6590137B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sager (austin.granitepost.com [209.150.104.143]) by fbsd01.granitepost.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13504 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:33:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002901c17a23$18c210a0$8f6896d1@granitepost.com> Reply-To: "Clarence Brown" From: "Clarence Brown" To: Subject: Help! Postfix Port w/ SASL AUTH support. Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:46:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to set up Postfix with SASL to provide SMTP AUTH support. I installed the Postfix port, and selected the SASL option. It looks like both Postfix and SASL were installed, and I didn't get any errors during the process. Postfix seems to be working, but the AUTH stuff doesn't seem to work. On the postfix mail list someone suggested that I should telnet to postfix, and enter the ehlo command so postfix would return the 250-AUTH string proving that SASL and Postfix were working together. When I do this, Postfix does respond with several 250- strings, however I do NOT get the 250-AUTH string back. Can anybody help me get Postfix and SASL working from the ports? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 19:38:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from 2inches.com (adsl-66-125-235-34.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.125.235.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B8437B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from poobar (30.3.168.192-in.2inches.com [192.168.3.30] (may be forged)) by 2inches.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB13c1U13796 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuck@2inches.com) From: "chuck sumner" To: Subject: kernel comiplation dies at /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:38:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i did a cvsup to STABLE, then when building my kernel i get the following searched around on the mailing lists and found nothing. any help? i need to add some scsi support to my kernel. im going from 4.3-STABLE to 4.4-STABLE thanks, chuck please cc me as im not on the list right now. ===> linux cc -O -pipe -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-pr ototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fforma t-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include -g -mp referred-stack-boundary=2 -c linux_sysent.c In file included from linux_sysent.c:14: linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `linux_time_t' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:156: syntax error before `linux_handler_t' linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: syntax error before `linux_dev_t' linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:196: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:380: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: syntax error before `linux_pid_t' linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:447: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:447: syntax 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syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:479: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `*' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_sysent.c:21: sizeof applied to an incomplete type linux_sysent.c:21: warning: built-in function `exit' used without declaration linux_sysent.c:21: warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type *** Error code 1 Stop in ===> linux cc -O -pipe -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-pr ototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fforma t-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include -g -mp referred-stack-boundary=2 -c linux_sysent.c In file included from linux_sysent.c:14: linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `linux_time_t' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:156: syntax error before `linux_handler_t' linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: syntax error before `linux_dev_t' linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:196: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:380: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: syntax error before `linux_pid_t' linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:447: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:447: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:448: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:448: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:449: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:449: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `linux_sigaction_t' linux_proto.h:459: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:459: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `linux_sigaction_t' linux_proto.h:460: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:460: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:465: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:465: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:466: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:466: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:479: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:479: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `*' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_sysent.c:21: sizeof applied to an incomplete type linux_sysent.c:21: warning: built-in function `exit' used without declaration linux_sysent.c:21: warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/FILER. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/FILER. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 19:44:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from berbee.com (berbee.com [205.173.176.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AE837B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (msn-office2.binc.net [64.73.12.253]) by berbee.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB13i7k23371; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:44:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200112010344.fB13i7k23371@berbee.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Rob Zietlow To: "chuck sumner" , Subject: Re: kernel comiplation dies at /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:43:59 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday 30 November 2001 09:38 pm, chuck sumner wrote: > i did a cvsup to STABLE, then when building my kernel i get the following > > searched around on the mailing lists and found nothing. any help? i need to > add some scsi support to my kernel. > > im going from 4.3-STABLE to 4.4-STABLE > > thanks, > chuck > please cc me as im not on the list right now. > Give /usr/src/UPDATING a read it might point you in the right direction To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 20: 3:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from khi.comsats.net.pk (khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.4.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADE337B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from company.mail (ppp7-078khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.7.78]) by khi.comsats.net.pk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fB142F520435 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:02:15 +0500 (PKT) Received: from ahsanalikh [192.168.0.1] by company.mail [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.5.T) for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:02:39 +0500 Message-ID: <00be01c17a1d$0493a630$0100a8c0@ahsanalikh> From: "Ahsan Ali" To: "FreeBSD Question List" References: <20011201022554.GA61990@boethius.telocity.com> Subject: Re: Sendmail Domains Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:02:38 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.1 X-Return-Path: ahsan@khi.comsats.net.pk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think what he means is that if he is hosting dom1.com and has a user patrick there [patrick@dom1.com] then when he adds dom2.com as a virtual domain, he cant add [patrick@dom2.com] because there is only one password file and you cant add the same user to the system twice. The way around this Patrick, with Sendmail, is to use Virtual Domains with all their mail ending up in a single mailbox. This way, all mail for dom2.com can go into a single box from where it can be popped and then redistributed on another mail server. Its not a perfect solution (BCC mail may not reach the intended BCC recepient etc) but it works for the most part. The way to do it is, add "@dom2.com dom2" in /etc/mail/virtusertable then "cd /etc/mail/virtusertable; makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable" also, you may need to add "dom2.com" to /etc/mail/sendmail.cw so that sendmail knows it needs to collect mail for that domain. Now all mail for dom2.com will go into the mailbox dom2 - you can pop this account to get all mail for this domain. Not ideal if you want users to POP mail for this domain from your own mailserver only. -Ahsan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Kim" To: "Patrick O'Reilly" Cc: "FreeBSD Question List" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Sendmail Domains > On Fri, Nov 30, 2001, Patrick O'Reilly wrote: > > > I'm running a few sendmail mail servers, so I'm reasonably familiar with > > the basics of sendmail. > > > > But, now I need to configure a mail server with sendmail to host mail > > for multiple domains. The part that bothers me is what happens when I > > want to create an account for patrick@dom2.com when there is already a > > patrick@dom2.com. These must be _separate_ accounts. But, using email > > accounts based on users in /etc/passwd will obviously not handle this > > correctly. I recall mention of virtual user tables in connection with > > sendmail. Is that the solution to my problem, or what. > > This doesn't make any sense. Are you saying, there already exists a > local user named patrick, who does not receive mail as patrick@dom2.com. > Instead, some other user, wants to receive mail using the address > patrick@dom2.com ? > > Or, are you saying, patrick@dom2.com needs to go to 2 separate mailboxes? > > Did you read the sample files in FreeBSD:/etc/mail ? > Did the FAQ help you at www.sendmail.org ? > > Write back if you need more help. > -- > "Le motd juste." > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 20:12:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCFC37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24947; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:12:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011130221252.010dd790@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:12:52 -0600 To: Rob Zietlow , "chuck sumner" , From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: kernel comiplation dies at /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. In-Reply-To: <200112010344.fB13i7k23371@berbee.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like you just need to delete the /usr/obj and then it should work.... At 09:43 PM 11.30.2001 -0600, Rob Zietlow wrote: > > >On Friday 30 November 2001 09:38 pm, chuck sumner wrote: >> i did a cvsup to STABLE, then when building my kernel i get the following >> >> searched around on the mailing lists and found nothing. any help? i need to >> add some scsi support to my kernel. >> >> im going from 4.3-STABLE to 4.4-STABLE >> >> thanks, >> chuck >> please cc me as im not on the list right now. >> > > >Give /usr/src/UPDATING a read it might point you in the right direction > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 20:47:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-28-046.nc.rr.com [66.57.28.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67B837B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (marcus@shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB14hRJ63244; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:43:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: JAVA-applets crash mozilla From: Joe Clarke To: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <20011201014716.R1589-100000@big> References: <20011201014716.R1589-100000@big> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.2 (Preview Release) Date: 01 Dec 2001 09:47:17 +0500 Message-Id: <1007182037.19011.5.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 21:00, P. U. (Uli) Kruppa wrote: > Hi! > > I still do not believe that mozilla supports JAVA as some > people on this list say. But I installed linux-jdk1.3.1 and > a linux-build (0.9.6) from mozilla.org into /usr/local. > Then I linked jdk's libjavaplugin_oji.so into mozilla's > plugins directory. > After this I restarted mozilla and tried to visit > java.sun.com > and off it went (pages without JAVA run fine, of course). When you say, "off it went," do you mean it crashed.? I think symlinking the plugin into Mozilla's plugin directory is a bad idea. This didn't work for me with NS 4. Instead, try setting the plugin environment variables to include the path to libjavaplugin_oji.so. In NS 4, the variable is NPX_PLUGIN_PATH. It may be the same for Mozilla, but you might want to check. After setting the environment correctly, Netscape worked fine for me. Joe > > What now? > > > Uli. > > > > ************************************ > * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * > * Germany * > * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * > ************************************ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 21: 3:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from aviion.alfred.cx (popadl-06-035.picknowl.com.au [203.24.76.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B67B37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by aviion.alfred.cx (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fB14wtC00648; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:28:55 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from andrew) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:28:53 +1030 From: Andrew Reid To: "Alexander S. Volchenkov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, doconnor@gsoft.com.au Subject: Re: Lucent LT WinModem Message-ID: <20011201152852.A525@aviion.alfred.cx> References: <200111300725.fAU7P4P71666@ns.uh.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200111300725.fAU7P4P71666@ns.uh.ru>; from volax@uh.ru on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:28:10AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:28:10AM +0300, Alexander S. Volchenkov wrote: > Is Lucent LT WinModem compatible with FreeBSD? > If yes how can I set it up to work? Yes, it is. Have a read through the freebsd-mobile archives, paying particular attention to Daniel O'Connor's ltmdm port. Essentially, you must compile a kernel module that you load with kldload. 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To unsubscribe, click here --=_55c5a6bf89da5917fcf93d46d90a9863-- --=_5a0d58fa3b6e2637370e6296aee2a8fd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 21:35:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567E737B41D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from manor.msen.com (wayne@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01928 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:35:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Message-Id: <200112010535.AAA01928@manor.msen.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Issues with /stand & sysinstall Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:35:43 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Upgraded a system by adding a second drive, mounting it as /u, running /stand/sysinstall and editting the options to change root to /u. Did a minimal installation. Everything worked OK except that /stand did not get created. As I needed to upgrade to RELENG anyway, I NFS mounted /usr/src & /usr/obj, went to /usr/src/release/sysinstall and did a make all make install which built and installed /stand/sysinstall. That is the ONLY file in /stand, none of the other links, etc exist. I manually linked sysinstall to a few command names - all of them fail. sysinstall seems to work OK, although I did not do extensive tests. The size seems VERY small: # ls -l /stand/sysinstall -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 820468 Dec 1 00:18 /stand/sysinstall Digging around in the source code I do not see any code to deal with being called as an alternate name. Nor do I see code in the Makefile to create the other commands. I certainly could go to another machine and simply grab a copy of /stand but this SHOULD work, shouldn't it? /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 21:47:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from breg.mc.mpls.visi.com (breg.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFB637B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by breg.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0102D0AF6; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:47:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fB15l4D51151; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:47:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:47:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112010547.fB15l4D51151@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8a Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com Organization: if (!FIFO) if (!LIFO) break; References: <002501c178e2$399c4850$0701a8c0_darryl@ns.sol.net> In-Reply-To: <002501c178e2$399c4850$0701a8c0_darryl@ns.sol.net> From: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) Subject: Re: DSL & 4.3 X-Original-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.questions To: darryl@osborne-ind.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <002501c178e2$399c4850$0701a8c0_darryl@ns.sol.net>, darryl@osborne-ind.com writes: > Greetings, > We are just getting DSL (rural America here). Previously, > I had a PC installed with 4.3, running ppp -auto -nat, etc. > > The ISP provides a DSL router (Slipstream) that you plug into > your network hub/switch. It can do nat, filtering, etc. I'm > not sure how good it is at security, so I'd like to configure > the old FreeBSD 4.3 box to do security for my network. How > should I do that ? IE, do I put two nics in the FreeBSD box, > connect one interface to the slipstream router, and plug the > other into my network switch ? > > Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated, as I am looking > to have good security. On 24/7 with a dedicated IP can allow > a lot of nefarious types the opportunity to pound on my connection. IMHO, you're on the right track. My ISP gave me a /30 network, which maps out like this: ---8<--- Outside Inside assigned pub dc1 dc0 IP +-----+eth = 208.42.10.10 +-------------+ 192.168.16.2 ------>| 678 |-------------------------->| FreeBSD box |---------> DSL +-----+ 208.42.10.9+-------------+ Inside (note, I just picked some IP's at random, you won't get these, or use these particular ones). So, now you have real IP's, your 678 gets a packet in for 208.42.10.9, and pushes it down. No NAT translation takes place on the 678. Most of the rest of the Net now sees most of your packets as coming from 208.42.10.9, which just routes through from the connected route the 678 already has. --->8--- Note that the conversation implies that the DSL router (Cisco 678) does nothing but pass raw packets through to the FreeBSD box. No NAT, no nothing. The FreeBSD box does NAT, FW, and DNS for the internal 192.168.16/24 network. It's (the FreeBSD box) been running flawlessly, with plenty of spare cycles such that it is also an X workstation/developer's box (Celeron 766Mhz). Oh! Note also that the wire from the router to the FreeBSD box is a corss-over cable - they're "like" interfaces. > thanks, > Darryl Hope this helps, Dave -- Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 21:49:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.blazebox.homeip.net (pool-141-155-134-92.ny5030.east.verizon.net [141.155.134.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372CB37B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaze (blaze.homeip.net [192.168.0.2]) by mail.blazebox.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE4E822984; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:45:52 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Paul Blazejowski" To: "Clarence Brown" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Postfix Port w/ SASL AUTH support. X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.6 On linux/mysql Date: 01 Dec 2001 00:45:24 EST Reply-To: "Paul Blazejowski" Message-Id: <20011201054553.EE4E822984@mail.blazebox.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:46:09 -0600, Clarence Brown wrote: > > When I do this, Postfix does respond with > several 250- strings, however I do NOT get > the 250-AUTH string back. > > Can anybody help me get Postfix and SASL > working from the ports? > Hi, There's few steps that need to be taken...first create (if you not have already) a file called smtp.conf in /usr/local/lib/sasl/ cantaining the sasl AUTH method that postfix will use...eg. pwcheck_method: sasldb.Next you will need to make postfix aware of SASL.Open main.cf with your favorite editor and enable sasl, eg. smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes For more options see sample-auth.cf in postfix directory...once that done reload postfix and try telneting to port 25,after EHLO you should see the AUTH line with list of supported mechanisms...Hope this helps. Regards, Paul B. -- ( http://www.linuxdiscussions.org ) "Linux is like a wigwam: no windows, no gates, Apache inside." -Albert Arendsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22: 8:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web14311.mail.yahoo.com (web14311.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EFCB37B419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:08:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011201060829.85759.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.164.42.160] by web14311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 06:08:29 GMT Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:08:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?shanon=20loveridge?= Subject: writing a *.bin file on an ATAPI CDR To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK people I have been searching high and low for this. I am trying to write a VCD. I have tried both vcdimager and mkvcdfs and they will both write a videocd.bin and videocd.cue file for me. No problems there. However I can not find any prog to write a *.bin file to a ATAPI CDR. vcdimager suggests using cdrdao to burn the bin file however that looks like it will only work for SCSI drives on freeBSD I believe it will work for ATAPI on linux due to a wrapper of some sort from the /dev/blah to the SCSI address. Could someone point me in the right direction as this is just about the only reason I need to keep windows on my machine. Much Thanks people. Shanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22:12:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF74D37B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA49411; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:04:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Glenn Becker Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: newbie laptop question In-Reply-To: <20011130174332.A18020@burningclown.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Glenn Becker wrote: > > ANYhoo, I have an older laptop, a Toshiba Tecra 740CDT, and have been >thinking of removing the Win98 install and replacing it with FreeBSD. >The issue: the HD is only 2gig. Is that enough space for a decent FreeBSD >install? How much space should I look for if I get a replacement for the >HD on this laptop? Two gigabytes is enough for everything--linux binary support, ports, X Window System, and full source. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22:12:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.microbsd.net (ns2.microbsd.net [4.23.122.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540B137B419; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.microbsd.net (mail.microbsd.net [4.23.122.30]) by ns2.microbsd.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D7831A4; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:22:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Make RELEASE broken? From: kerberus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 01 Dec 2001 01:22:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay ill ask again just in case nobody saw this! is make release broken in 4.4-STABLE ?? Or is there a definitive guide/FAQ on how to properly use make release to cut a modified distribution ? cause either im doing something wrong, or its definatley broken. Thanks in Advance To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22:30:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5E537B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fB16UKR60099; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "Andrew C. Hornback" , "Mike Meyer" Cc: Subject: RE: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c17a31$a67a3ea0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03ea01c17986$b9dd6f40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:anthony@freebie.atkielski.com] >Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:07 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; Andrew C. Hornback; Mike Meyer >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) > > >Ted writes: > >> It does the job that Microsoft thinks you want >> done nicely. > >Microsoft is right, for the most part. > Speak for yourself. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22:48: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mango-bay.com (mail.mango-bay.com [208.206.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7C237B416 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from barbish ([63.70.155.116]) by mail.mango-bay.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52377U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:49:19 -0500 From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "FBSD Questions" Subject: Win98 dialin to FBSD Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have user-ppp accepting modem dialin call from win98 box and can ping FBSD box at 10.0.0.1 but can not ping internet IP address. Win98/ftp fails unable to reach host. Win98 telenet connects to the FBSD box at 10.0.0.1, gets logon and pw prompt which returns FBSD motd file message which means I am into the FBSD system but them I get 3 or 4 lines of junk characters and lose the connection. From the FBSD box I can ping internet IP address ok. At a lose as what to try next, any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Nov 30 22:57: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B936937B41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB16ueG10618; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:26:41 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20011201152852.A525@aviion.alfred.cx> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:26:40 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Andrew Reid Subject: Re: Lucent LT WinModem Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Alexander S. Volchenkov" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Dec-2001 Andrew Reid wrote: > You will then have to create the device node. Daniel, does the port do > this for you, or is it still a manual process? The port Does It All now. 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out4.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fB180pU82501 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:00:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (from dpoland@localhost) by shell.core.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/1.3) id fB180oj09632 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:00:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:00:50 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: serial port problem Message-ID: <20011201020049.A9159@polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm having a problem with a serial port and I don't know how to diagnose it. I'm trying to hook up an APC SMART-UPS via a black 940-0024C cable. When I attempt to start the apcsmart driver, I get: judeah# /usr/local/libexec/nut/apcsmart /dev/cuaa0 Network UPS Tools - APC Smart protocol driver 0.60 (0.45.1) Serial port read timed out Unable to detect an APC Smart protocol UPS on port /dev/cuaa0 Check the cabling, port name or model name and try again The cable is good, it's been used on another machine for 6 months. It's fully seated in the serial port. So I check the port with dmesg: judeah# dmesg | grep sio sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 I don't know how to check the port other than issue stty: judeah# stty -f /dev/cuaa0 -a speed 9600 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns; lflags: -icanon -isig -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoke -echonl -echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip -icrnl -inlcr -igncr -ixon -ixoff -ixany -imaxbel -ignbrk -brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: -opost -onlcr -ocrnl -oxtabs -onocr -onlret cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^?; erase2 = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; A check of irq's with dmesg doesn't reveal any conflicts: judeah# dmesg | grep irq rl0: port 0xfc00-0xfcff mem 0xfedffc00-0xfedffcff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 ahc0: port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfedfe000-0xfedfefff irq 10 at device 13.0 on pci0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 Does anyone know what's going on here or can tell me how to diagnose this? FYI, I'm running 4.4-STABLE on a Compaq Presario 7170. -- Regards, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 0:22: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79AA37B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fB18LnR60273; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Scott Nolde" , "Paul Jansen" Cc: Subject: RE: cisco VPN client for Linux under FreeBSD? Or compatible client? Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:21:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c17a41$393322c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011130082922.P96278-100000@bsd.smnolde.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Scott Nolde >Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:32 AM >To: Paul Jansen >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: cisco VPN client for Linux under FreeBSD? Or compatible >client? > > >As far as I know, there are no VPN clients for Cisco VPN concentrators. >However racoon (in ports) is possibly your next best viable alternative >for VPN access with FreeBSD. > >And I'd be very interested if someone knows more, too. > Cisco VPN concentrators can be configured to provide Microsoft-style PPTP to be compatible with the stock Microsoft PPTP, thus FreeBSD's PPTP clients can be used here. You do have to switch off encryption on the Cisco devices, though, for some reason their encryption isn't compatible with MS's. (at least we never got it to work) Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 1: 9:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ib.com.ua (ib.com.ua [217.144.67.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7A237B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tech@localhost) by ib.com.ua (8.11.6/8.11.1) id fB1964279527 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:06:04 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from tech) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:06:04 +0200 (EET) From: tech Message-Id: <200112010906.fB1964279527@ib.com.ua> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: libmilter & make buildworld Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How can i enable libmilter in sendmail with make buldworld? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 1:11:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DF437B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16A6Aj-0008Ke-00; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:10:57 +0100 Received: from pd950c7bc.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.199.188]) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16A6Aj-0006Ad-00; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:10:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:08:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: Joe Clarke Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: JAVA-applets crash mozilla In-Reply-To: <1007182037.19011.5.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Message-ID: <20011201075737.C1589-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Joe! On 1 Dec 2001, Joe Clarke wrote: > On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 21:00, P. U. (Uli) Kruppa wrote: > > > > I still do not believe that mozilla supports JAVA as some > > people on this list say. But I installed linux-jdk1.3.1 and > > a linux-build (0.9.6) from mozilla.org into /usr/local. > > Then I linked jdk's libjavaplugin_oji.so into mozilla's > > plugins directory. > > After this I restarted mozilla and tried to visit > > java.sun.com > > and off it went (pages without JAVA run fine, of course). > > When you say, "off it went," do you mean it crashed.? Yes, Mozilla closed down. > I think > symlinking the plugin into Mozilla's plugin directory is a bad idea. Symbolic links are of no use anyway. Linux-Mozilla and Linux-JDK seem to work in /compat/linux/ directory. So I set a hard link. > This didn't work for me with NS 4. Instead, try setting the plugin > environment variables to include the path to libjavaplugin_oji.so. In > NS 4, the variable is NPX_PLUGIN_PATH. It may be the same for Mozilla, > but you might want to check. I found a hint about that at sun's JAVA pages. But they say it only works with NS 4. For NS 6 you should set the link. Anyway: I tried it and it failed. Thanx for your answer though! But: > > > > What now? > > > > > > Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 2:38:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5EA537B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO ict1000) (202.77.97.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 10:38:44 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c17a56$7ce5dde0$2e020a0a@ict1000> From: "Asep Ruspeni" To: References: <20011201010356.3F65437B419@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: disk/user quota Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:53:49 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, my name is asep need anyone help : i have quota my user by edquota 1 user and repquota -p to the rest. but there are some user which can still put data in his/her directory that i have quota. - how can i prevent this (i'm running out of disk space !!!) - which files should i delete safely need answer ASAP. thank you for your attention. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 2:56:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20905.mail.yahoo.com (web20905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0832737B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011201105634.59694.qmail@web20905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.250.215.7] by web20905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 02:56:34 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:56:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Tinka Subject: RE: squid + files descriptors To: Girnet Vladimir , "'questions@freebsd.org'" In-Reply-To: <8E9035BABCA0514EB0E574B6A7082FC305308D@sln01.megadat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG this has something to do with your ulimit .. i am not sure how it's done on FreeBSD, as i am running my Squid server on SuSE Linux .. but, in Linux, there is a file called /usr/include/bits/types.h .. which has this field.. /* Number of descriptors that can fit in an `fd_set'. */ #define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 this is the default setting.. what u need to do is up this number to say 8192... after u save the file, u need to run the command ulimit -HSn 8192 in the shell the squid starts in... it would be better for u to put this command in a startup script, in a shell environment u reckon squid will start up, otherwise the shell won't pick up the new FDs and thus, won't pass them on to servers running in that shell, ie Squid... but, as i said, this is on Linux, i am not sure how this can be done on FreeBSD... good luck.. AKNIT --- Girnet Vladimir wrote: > Devin, I thnik You don't understand me. > > The computers are indentical, and runs as proxy > servers, but in different > environment (networks). > > The problem is, that squid does not get more than > 1064 file descriptors on > the second machine, on the same configuration. > > I don't understand this...why in kernel is set 16424 > files, that can be > open, but squid found only 4136, or 1064 ? > > thanks > > > > Hi > > > > > > I have been setup absolut identically hosts with > FreeBSD > > 4.4-RELEASE to run > > > SQUID 2.4 on them. > > > > > > But on one host I got this warning: > > > " WARNING! Your cache is running out of > filedescriptors" , > > and squid is not > > > working. > > > > > > When I compare both cache.log files I found this > difference: > > > on first machine: > > > With 4136 file descriptors available > > > > > > on second machine: > > > With 1064 file descriptors available > > > > > > I set up same configuration of kernel on both > computers, > > with MAXUSERS=128, > > > and: > > > > > > kern.maxvnodes: 72477 > > > kern.maxproc: 8212 > > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > > kern.maxprocperuid: 8211 > > > > > > Please, help to solve this problem! Why so > little file descriptors? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vladimir Girnet > > > Network & System Engineer NOC "MOLDOVA-ON-LINE" > NET > > > mailto:vgirnet@megadat.com > > > www.mdl.net > > > > > > > If the two machines are actually in production, it > sounds like the one > > is caching more files than the other. > > > > fix it by issuing as root > sysctl=kern.maxfiles=32768 > > > > --devin > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 4:11:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F637B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.142.11.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.142.11] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16A8zG-0005ED-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 04:11:22 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB1CALF18076; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:10:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:10:16 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Glenn Johnson Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ssh does not honor the nologin file Message-ID: <20011201041016.F13613@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20011130134050.A1933@node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011130134050.A1933@node7.cluster.srrc.usda.gov>; from gjohnson@srrc.ars.usda.gov on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:40:50PM -0600 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:40:50PM -0600, Glenn Johnson wrote: > The sshd manual says that sshd checks for /etc/nologin and > /var/run/nologin and if either is found, the login is not allowed. This > does not work. I have tried with the nologin file present in both /etc > and /var/run but users can still login via ssh. I would like to be > able to temporarily disable all logins via ssh from the outside. I can > not simply kill the daemon because I need ssh on the inside network. > According to the man page for sshd this should "just work". Does any > one have any ideas? The check for the 'nologin' files is disabled when sshd(8) is built with USE_PAM. The current pam(8) configuration in the default system does not check for nologin. The pam_nologin module is not built by default in STABLE. To fix this, you need to build the module, install it, and then edit pam.conf to use it. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 5: 5:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AB8437B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 05:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55642 invoked by uid 1165); 1 Dec 2001 13:05:22 -0000 Date: 1 Dec 2001 05:05:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 05:05:21 -0800 From: Seth Kingsley To: kerberus Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make RELEASE broken? Message-ID: <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com> References: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X+8siUETKMkW99st" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net>; from kerberus@microbsd.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:22:35AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/5C413B08 X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: F772 5D24 02B4 D233 90F5 080F 0F50 3298 5C41 3B08 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --X+8siUETKMkW99st Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:22:35AM -0500, kerberus wrote: > Okay ill ask again just in case nobody saw this! > is make release broken in 4.4-STABLE ?? Or is there a definitive > guide/FAQ on how to properly use make release to cut a modified > distribution ? cause either im doing something wrong, or its definatley > broken. Thanks in Advance What are you doing in the first place? You might try Murray Stokely's recent paper on release engineering given at BSDCon Europe: http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/#publications http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/#presentations It goes into some detail about what all of the steps performed are in a "make release", so maybe that will help you determine the cause of your problems... --=20 || Seth Kingsley || Meow Meow Fluff Fluff || sethk@meowfishies.com || || rndcontrol -s 0 || --X+8siUETKMkW99st Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CNWRD1AymFxBOwgRAqR0AJ9bUCgiIZFZsDE/HKR8TTWbqQfj1QCZAXim uOBo42RcTPr24kwafnfRKyQ= =acP0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X+8siUETKMkW99st-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 5:54:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0837B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 05:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:54:04 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16AAZq-00044e-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 13:53:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:53:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: "Jason L. Schwab" Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: something rather weird In-Reply-To: <20011130124538.Y24187-100000@citadel.simphost.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jason L. Schwab wrote: > Heya Guys/Gals/Servers... > > I have two almost completely identical FreeBSD boxes running > and i've been running them for years, so I do know what I am > doing. In that case, the answer lies in the differences. > Question is.. on one of the two boxes (box1) when I log in > from a certain host it says "invalid hostname" for my > hostname in w/who/finger but in the /var/log it shows > accepted rsa/password for me from the right hostname. > > Box2, shows the correct hostname? any ideas? Start by diffing stuff in /etc; in particular, /etc/hosts, resolv.conf, host.conf, and so on. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk Lambda calculus? I hardly know 'er! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 6:33: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDB537B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([212.228.234.119]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16ABCI-000EyV-0A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:32:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:31:20 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Kevin Golding Subject: patching systems using pkg_add MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Having used the binary patches from a couple of security advisories on a 4.3 release system I now find myself pondering what to do next. The issue is that I'm intending to cvsup and I'm not sure how to deal with the patches. I figure I shouldn't run pkg_delete after I upgrade since I'm paranoid I'll delete something I need from the new setup and I'd rather not just leave them sitting around for no reason. That leaves 2 options in my mind, firstly I could run pkg_delete before doing make world etc. or maybe I could just upgrade then manually delete the entries from /var/db/pkg I think I prefer the sound of the latter since it seems the least intrusive and I feel it should reduce the chance or troubles. So, how far off the mark am I? Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 6:44:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A373637B505 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 06:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaryg.shacknet.nu ([64.231.136.49]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011201144416.LLY25459.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@scaryg.shacknet.nu> for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:44:16 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by scaryg.shacknet.nu (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB1EkF864398 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:46:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu) Received: from scaryg.shacknet.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scaryg.shacknet.nu (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB1EkDi64332 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:46:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:43:30 -0500 From: ScaryG To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: sylpheed version 0.6.2 Message-Id: <20011201094330.56aa42b4.freymann@scaryg.shacknet.nu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.10 - (http://pldaniels.com/inflex/) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anybody using Sylpheed v0.6.2? I prefer this email client over the KMAIL client, but it does ONE thing that really annoys me! and that's, everytime it checks mail it sticks you back to the inbox. So... if you were reading messages in the freebsd-questions folder, you lose your place and have to go back and find where you left off. This happens to me every 3 minutes! as that's how often I tell Sylpheed to check mail. I've checked through the configs but I can't find anything that adjusts this rather odd behaviour. Any tips? gf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 7:17: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nsm.ns.ac.yu (nsm.ns.ac.yu [213.240.37.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D30C37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12112 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:16:54 -0000 Received: from uns.ns.ac.yu (qmailr@147.91.173.3) by proxy.ftn.ns.ac.yu with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:16:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14597 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:16:53 -0000 Received: from p1-105.dialup.ns.ac.yu (HELO default) (147.91.172.137) by uns.ns.ac.yu with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:16:53 -0000 Message-ID: <200112011616110610.00094835@uns.ns.ac.yu> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.35 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:16:11 +0100 From: "ssl" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: manual dial and ppp question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have question about configuring FreeBSD for dial-out. < FreeBSD 4.4 release, modem CL 33.6 ISA, ISP provides dynamic IP, PAP= auth. ,primary and secondary DNS > The part of the modem that is dialing out is damaged. I have to dial my ISP= manually. When hear "negotiate signal" what to do ? How to work this out ? Is it all I have to do to edit /etc/ppp/ppp.conf and enter username and= password ? Thank you, ssl@uns.ns.ac.yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 7:17:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from nsm.ns.ac.yu (nsm.ns.ac.yu [213.240.37.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2249B37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12118 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from uns.ns.ac.yu (qmailr@147.91.173.3) by proxy.ftn.ns.ac.yu with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:17:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 14605 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 15:16:58 -0000 Received: from p1-105.dialup.ns.ac.yu (HELO default) (147.91.172.137) by uns.ns.ac.yu with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 15:16:58 -0000 Message-ID: <200112011616170320.00095E86@uns.ns.ac.yu> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.35 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:16:17 +0100 From: "ssl" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 486 optimisation, mp3 stuff, performance ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am using FreBSD two years ago and now I have some trouble to set up a mp3= player but questions aren't only audio related. < FreeBSD 4.4 release @ Amd 486 133MHz, overclocked to 160MHz > questions: 1) How to compile all needed software (ports) with 486 optimisation= (without editing Makefiles -if possible) ? 2) If I installed ports collection that came with this 4.4 release, how to= install particular port that was shiped with earlier releases ( want to install old xmms= 0.9 ) 3) This is very interesting ! I installed several mp3 console players: amp,madplay and mpg123. Ok, the= system is up, I am listening to my favourites songs with one of these mentioned players.= Then I stopped the music, do some job for example install software with pkg_add or startx and= connect to the internet and when finish the job I start mp3 player again but music sounds= noisy,scratchy, not for listening at all. What is happening here ? --> Is it about freebsd performance ? --> Is it about oveclocked processor (hardware related problems) ? --> something else ? Thank you ! ssl@uns.ns.ac.yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 7:37:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AFF37B416; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB1FbFY25090; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:37:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:37:15 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Seth Kingsley Cc: kerberus , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make RELEASE broken? Message-ID: <20011201163715.A25067@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com>; from sethk@meowfishies.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:05:21AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:05:21AM -0800, Seth Kingsley wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:22:35AM -0500, kerberus wrote: > > Okay ill ask again just in case nobody saw this! > > is make release broken in 4.4-STABLE ?? Or is there a definitive > > guide/FAQ on how to properly use make release to cut a modified > > distribution ? cause either im doing something wrong, or its definatley > > broken. Thanks in Advance > > What are you doing in the first place? You might try Murray Stokely's > recent paper on release engineering given at BSDCon Europe: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/#publications > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/#presentations Yesterday I build a -stable release on my alpha. No incidents.. -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 7:55: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E93537B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from arnold.neland.dk ([62.243.77.140]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20011201155503.JHWF395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@arnold.neland.dk>; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:55:03 +0100 Received: from gina ([192.168.5.109]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB1FtKq32218; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:55:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <00b701c17a7f$ca784740$6d05a8c0@neland.dk> From: "Leif Neland" To: "Patrick O'Reilly" , "Chris Fedde" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Load balancing stuff (mainly samba) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:49:34 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick O'Reilly" To: "Chris Fedde" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Load balancing stuff (mainly samba) > > Take a look at coda. It uses a scheme of local cacheing and > > replication to present a common file hierarchy over a potentialy > > large number of servers. IIRC samba can share a coda filesystem. > > > > This looks interesting! > > I have been asked to set up a mail server with a hot backup which could > take over should the first server fail. Does anyone have any > "real-world" experience using coda for this type of problem? > > Does coda even fit this problem? It is described as a replicated > network file system. That tells me that data would be kept safe by > replication, but there may still be a single point of failure, namely > the mail server itself which is simply making use of the file system. > > Any comments? > If you use two machines, and having mailservers (smtp and pop3) on both, I think that would work. Either the same machine as hosting the coda, or use two others for that. You could write a script to change the ip of smtp and pop3 to point to the active server using ddns. Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 8: 0:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web20902.mail.yahoo.com (web20902.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 903D437B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:00:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011201160028.69170.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.250.215.7] by web20902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 08:00:28 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Tinka Subject: Re: From Linux to FreeBSD [formerly "*NIX Selection"] To: matthew@starbreaker.net, "Tsalicoglou, Isaak" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200111301906.0229@starbreaker.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi Matthew.. i understant your plight with Linux.. but one thing i have learned in the last 3 years i have used Linux is that, if u stick to the distributors ports as much as possible [those that come on the distro CD i mean], u won't have much of a problem, just as it's advisable to use the FreeBSD ports rather than download the tar ball.. sure, it's easy tp just go to the net and download a tar ball, but u may run into one that requires all sorts of dependencies, many of which might not be contained in the distro base system, such as GLIBC-2.2 .. i have seen several users on other lists that have decided to load source programs that need the library set, which is relatively new, and quite efficient... personally, i run a hybrid network, with FreeBSD and Linux under the hood.. i will not try and compare the two, as u already know which OS u would choose to do what, but, i must say they both do it for me.. i run SuSE 7.2-Pro .. which, i should say, is really a breeze... in reaction to some of the problems u mentioned.. such as kernel configuration and compilation.. my experience has shown me that, stick to SuSE kernel, and u won't have a problem.. stick to Slack's kernel, and u won't have a problem.. most of these Linux distros take Linus' kernel and adapt it to their system, in terms of adding functionality, drivers, code and installation handling.. this happens in both the source and RPM versions of the kernel.... these distros enable only the most necessary options, which should allow for hassle free console and X configuration.. with hardly any need to re-compile it.. for instance, once i downloaded kernel 2.2.19 from kernel.org, so i could compile a kernel with transparent proxy enabled... after loading all my configs i started the compilation.. everything went well, until i started compiling my modules.. after 2 minutes into this, i got all sorts of errors, i remember something like toshiba.c failing to compile, and various others.. i was stuck!!! well, after checking SuSE FTP server, i found kernel source code for 2.2.19, which included all their additions and modifications... making it a little bigger, but bearable... configuration was easy.. SuSE includes their .config file for the already installed/RPM kernel.. the simplest way to compile your kernel is copy the running .config file to your /usr/src/linux directory, and then run the 'make menuconfig' command.. this will pick up the .config configuration, and all u have to do is add your option.. e.g, SMP [albeit an SMP SuSE kernel already exists.... :-)]... after that, u go thru the compilation routine.... u don't even need to edit your LILO configuration.. just re-run /sbin/lilo and u are good to go.. after a reboot.. the only difference u will notice with your system is that your motd include the appended SMP to your kernel version.. if u used another option.. u won't even notice anything.. but u will acheive the reason u re-compiled the kernel.... i know i may be blowing a little too much for SuSE here, but YaST has gotten a whole lot better.. upgrading from an older version has never been easier... hardware detection and installation eg sound cards, ethernet cards, printers, scanners, USB devices, modems and more, is easily possible with the 'yast2' tool.... my point is... once u have a distribution, FreeBSD, Linux, OpenBSD, Tru64, u are better off trying to make any major changes such as kernel configuration and the like, if u use source or ports that have been designed on and for that particular flavor of UNIX... one would be mad trying to run a NetBSD port/source on FreeBSD, or even an internet-based port/soruce when FreeBSD has the port already... once u follow this principle, your distributions will always be your babies... always initially establish what support your system has for a certain configuration or add on before you go out trying to find one somewhere... most times, i have seen many searching the web for all sorts of progz like OpenSSL, when these ports already exist on the user's distribution and CDs... i hope u understand where i am coming from, and i am glad that FreeBSD has done it for u.. coz it has for me too... good luck.. AKNIT --- Matthew Graybosch wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 30 November 2001 12:35, you wrote: > > What more is there in BSD that's not in Linux? I > am a Linux user > > since some years and I would be interested to run > BSD on my old > > machines. > > Well, BSD seems to yield better performance than > Linux, and I've had > a much easier time configuring it. I started with > Red Hat, and moved > to Mandrake after a week. After a few months I moved > over to SuSE > 'cos I wanted a more recent distro and there was a > copy of 6.4 > sitting in a CompUSA bargain bin for twenty bucks. > > I used SuSE up until August of this year, until I > got frustrated > with the piecemeal approach to upgrading (an RPM > here, a source > tarball there, and heaven help you if you try to use > YaST to update > the whole system). After that, I spent a couple of > months with > Slackware 8. > > Pardon my French if you're a religious man, but my > experience with > configuring and building Linux kernels is that it's > a hard-working > dirty bitch of a job. I've spent whole afternoons > downloading the > kernel, working through the options in Tcl/Tk config > tool, building > the kernel, and then hacking LILO to make the damn > thing walk and > talk. > > Then there's the ALSA drivers to contend with. I use > an SBLive! for > sound. While SuSE took care of the sound for me, I > had to download, > configure, and build ALSA when I moved over to > Slackware, which > meant another evening down the toilet. Add another > day getting my > printer and X11 to work the way I want them to. > > On the other hand, with FreeBSD I can configure the > kernel in about > 10 minutes, most of it spent reading the Handbook > and the kernel > config file, about 20 minutes going though the build > process, and > then 5 minutes to reboot. It took me that long to > get sound working > on a kernel tuned to my Athlon compared with roughly > an 8-hour > workday and a half setting up Linux. > > If I need to RTFM, I can find most of the info I > need at the > freebsd.org site. I can pick and choose the > ports/packages I like, > and if I build from source I don't have to settle > for prebuilt > generic binaries. > > Granted, I had similar customization options with > Slackware, but > there's that beastly Linux kernel to contend with. > Besides, why > settle for a Linux distro that apes BSD? Why settle > for a Unix-like > OS when you can have real Unix? > > Mind you, I'm not knocking Linux or claiming that it > sucks. However, > having used Linux at home for two years before > switching to FreeBSD, > I must conclude that I like FreeBSD better. > > - -- > Matthew Graybosch > http://www.starbreaker.net > GnuPG Key ID: 0x7D488659 > "Sex, Unix, and rock 'n roll" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8CCP4cCiK1X1IhlkRAm3jAKDMAAlvMfo801fMqzXsQRDx8bPcTwCfeVpT > pcYTPS2iMN34JkgYhu9zQ/0= > =zb7F > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 9: 3:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3472A37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 71738 invoked by uid 100); 1 Dec 2001 17:03:12 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15369.3408.391407.207170@guru.mired.org> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:03:12 -0600 To: Kevin Golding Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: patching systems using pkg_add In-Reply-To: <87471076@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin Golding types: > Having used the binary patches from a couple of security advisories on a > 4.3 release system I now find myself pondering what to do next. The > issue is that I'm intending to cvsup and I'm not sure how to deal with > the patches. > > I figure I shouldn't run pkg_delete after I upgrade since I'm paranoid > I'll delete something I need from the new setup and I'd rather not just > leave them sitting around for no reason. > > That leaves 2 options in my mind, firstly I could run pkg_delete before > doing make world etc. or maybe I could just upgrade then manually delete > the entries from /var/db/pkg > > I think I prefer the sound of the latter since it seems the least > intrusive and I feel it should reduce the chance or troubles. > > So, how far off the mark am I? I think I agree with you. Installing the new world will presumably overwrite the binary patches, so the information in /var/db/pkg is unneeded. You might try asking security@freebsd.org - I think that's the address of the security officer - to see what they think. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 9:48:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dannyboy.worksforfood.com (pool-207-68-84-222.char.east.verizon.net [207.68.84.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCACE37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by dannyboy.worksforfood.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C41445A554; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:48:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:48:25 -0500 From: Daniel Harris To: Mike Meyer Cc: Kevin Golding , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: patching systems using pkg_add Message-ID: <20011201124825.A12942@dannyboy.worksforfood.com> References: <87471076@toto.iv> <15369.3408.391407.207170@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15369.3408.391407.207170@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:03:12AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:03:12AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote: > I think I agree with you. Installing the new world will presumably > overwrite the binary patches, so the information in /var/db/pkg is > unneeded. Sounds about right to me, but I don't have firsthand experiences with the binary patches. > You might try asking security@freebsd.org - I think that's the address > of the security officer - to see what they think. security-officer@freebsd.org is the security officer team, security@freebsd.org is the freebsd-security mailing list. -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 9:49:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E9F37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05444; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:49:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011201114945.010dd790@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 11:49:45 -0600 To: chuck sumner From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: kernel comiplation dies at /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. Cc: Rob Zietlow , In-Reply-To: <20011201094104.T7036-100000@www.2inches.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20011130221252.010dd790@mail.sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck, there was a brief bug in early November that was causing the problem that referred to some stale modules (I believe) having to do with the Linux stuff. Don't be afraid to delete the /usr/obj. Try a delete and then do a fresh cvsup and it should run okay because the bug was killed in mid-November... using the fresh files should do it.... At 09:43 AM 12.1.2001 -0800, chuck sumner wrote: >actually, i sopke to sson. the updating file speaks of doing a make >modules-clean in your kernel compile dir. i did that. i also tried doing a >make clean-dir in src/sys/modules/linux. compilation still fails. > >i also tried moving the /usr/obj dir to /usr/obj.old (being affraid to >delete it..) and still it fails in the same place. > >any more hints? > >chuck > >On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > >> Looks like you just need to delete the /usr/obj and then it should work.... >> >> At 09:43 PM 11.30.2001 -0600, Rob Zietlow wrote: >> > >> > >> >On Friday 30 November 2001 09:38 pm, chuck sumner wrote: >> >> i did a cvsup to STABLE, then when building my kernel i get the following >> >> >> >> searched around on the mailing lists and found nothing. any help? i need to >> >> add some scsi support to my kernel. >> >> >> >> im going from 4.3-STABLE to 4.4-STABLE >> >> >> >> thanks, >> >> chuck >> >> please cc me as im not on the list right now. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Give /usr/src/UPDATING a read it might point you in the right direction >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> Best regards, >> Jack L. Stone, >> Server Admin >> >> Sage-American >> http://www.sage-american.com >> jacks@sage-american.com >> > > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 10: 2:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B1037B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA94938; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:01:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:01:46 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Philip Hallstrom Cc: Maciek , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: percent progress In-Reply-To: <20011130164903.G2924-100000@teak.adhesivemedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Philip Hallstrom wrote to Ryan Thompson: > Actually mv could take a really long time if you move across > filesystems because then it is really doing a cp and then a > delete... Exactly... Which is precisely why mv(1) does not need a progress indicator. See /usr/src/bin/mv/ .. It really does exec /bin/cp to do the copy across filesystems if the rename fails. ;-) > add the "-v" option to either mv or cp and watch the files go > by... Yep.. Useful workaround. > -philip - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 10:21:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from newmx.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA40437B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by newmx.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127AB960D9 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:21:18 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB1ILZG00762 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:21:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:21:35 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: vinum raid-5 rebuild Message-ID: <20011201202135.A741@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i-ja0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi How is rebuilding of failed drive supported in vinum? Can it be done online or not? Presently I get repeatable filesystem corruption for online rebuild (revive), in other words, filesystem corruption occurs everytime while rebuilding failed drive in live volume. Doing it other way, with unmounted filesystem and volume down, seems to work. This isn't mentioned in the vinum docs, can anyone shed some light or correct manuals? -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 10:32:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from seed.net.tw (sn7.seed.net.tw [192.72.81.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2944537B416; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sw59-161-63.adsl.seed.net.tw ([61.59.161.63] helo=seed.net.tw) by seed.net.tw with smtp (Seednet MTA build 20010831) id 16AEvU-000EMl-00; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:31:49 +0800 Received: from microsoft by ibm.com with SMTP id k1aOgSgwr0ueYPFX5AgXPD2; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:35:23 +0800 Message-ID: From: abina135140@ms21.hinet.net To: abina135140@ms21.hinet.net Subject: ¸t½Ï§«~¦Ê³f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; 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Dec 1 10:49:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (brea.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37EE37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D122DE076; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:49:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fB1InYE57891; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:49:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:49:34 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112011849.fB1InYE57891@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8a Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com Organization: if (!FIFO) if (!LIFO) break; References: <20011201023210.A52949_cowbert.2y.net@ns.sol.net> <20011201123556.A99486_ns1.via-net-works.net.ar@ns.sol.net> In-Reply-To: <20011201123556.A99486_ns1.via-net-works.net.ar@ns.sol.net> From: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) Subject: Re: options USER_LDT X-Original-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.security To: fschapachnik@vianetworks.com.ar, questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20011201123556.A99486_ns1.via-net-works.net.ar@ns.sol.net>, fschapachnik@vianetworks.com.ar writes: > En un mensaje anterior, Peter C. Lai escribió: >> IT's for the linux emulation module. Some linux ELF binaries >> require this to run. > > The only use of it that I know is Wine, the Windows emulator. mplayer requires it, too. > Regards. Dave -- Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 10:54:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (brea.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2E637B41C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5222DE093 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:54:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id fB1IsKO57951; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:54:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:54:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112011854.fB1IsKO57951@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8a Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com Organization: if (!FIFO) if (!LIFO) break; References: <20011201123556.A99486_ns1.via-net-works.net.ar@ns.sol.net> <200112011849.fB1InYE57891_sheol.localdomain@ns.sol.net> In-Reply-To: <200112011849.fB1InYE57891_sheol.localdomain@ns.sol.net> From: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) Subject: Re: options USER_LDT X-Original-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.questions To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oops! Wrong list. So sorry. In article <200112011849.fB1InYE57891_sheol.localdomain@ns.sol.net>, hawkeyd@visi.com writes: > In article <20011201123556.A99486_ns1.via-net-works.net.ar@ns.sol.net>, > fschapachnik@vianetworks.com.ar writes: >> En un mensaje anterior, Peter C. Lai escribió: >>> IT's for the linux emulation module. Some linux ELF binaries >>> require this to run. >> >> The only use of it that I know is Wine, the Windows emulator. > > mplayer requires it, too. > >> Regards. > > Dave > Dave -- Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 10:55:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from koza.acecape.com (koza2.acecape.com [66.9.36.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB65F37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from networld (fathom.diluvian.net [66.114.64.69]) by koza.acecape.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id fB1IstK27139 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000001c17a99$39f3d2b0$0200a8c0@networld> From: "Russell A. Khurshudian" To: "Freebsd-Questions" Subject: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:14:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When i use fetchmail to get the mail from my ISPs mail server it says that it receives the mail and flushes it. When i check /var/mail/user there is no mail. Contents of my .fetchmailrc poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username username is "login name" password mypass smtpname username@host.com smtphost smtp.host.com When i tried sending a test message from my yahoo account to username@host.com i got the following output when running fetchmail and checking for mail with the 'mail' command: fetchmail: 5.8.17 querying pop.host.com (protocol POP3) at Tue Dec 4 04:31:06 2001 fetchmail: POP3< +OK koza Cyrus POP3 v1.5.19 server ready fetchmail: POP3> USER username fetchmail: POP3< +OK Name is a valid mailbox fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK Maildrop locked and ready fetchmail: POP3> STAT fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 788 fetchmail: POP3> LAST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 1 message for username at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK scan listing follows fetchmail: POP3< 1 788 fetchmail: POP3< . fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 99999999 fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message follows reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP< 220 koza.host.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.10.1/8.9.3; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:12:58 -0500 (EST) fetchmail: SMTP> EHLO localhost fetchmail: SMTP< 250-koza.host.com Hello fathom.myhost.com [My IP address], pleased to meet you fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES fetchmail: SMTP< 250-EXPN fetchmail: SMTP< 250-VERB fetchmail: SMTP< 250-8BITMIME fetchmail: SMTP< 250-SIZE 16000000 fetchmail: SMTP< 250-DSN fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ONEX fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ETRN fetchmail: SMTP< 250-XUSR fetchmail: SMTP< 250 HELP fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=788 fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.1.0 ... Sender ok fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO: fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.1.5 ... Recipient ok fetchmail: SMTP> DATA fetchmail: SMTP< 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself #**********fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM) fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 fB1ICwc22543 Message accepted for delivery flushed fetchmail: POP3> DELE 1 fetchmail: POP3< +OK message deleted fetchmail: POP3> QUIT fetchmail: POP3< +OK fetchmail: SMTP> QUIT fetchmail: SMTP< 221 2.0.0 koza.host.com closing connection fetchmail: normal termination, status 0 [hesiod |04:31am| fathom (~)] $ mail No mail for username Why might i not be recieving the mail properly, and if i am, why isn't it placed in /var/mail/user? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 11: 3: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278437B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdom04.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16AFPX-0001fW-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:02:51 +0100 Received: from pd9017255.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.114.85]) by mrvdom04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16AFPX-00044R-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:02:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:02:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "P. U. (Uli) Kruppa" X-X-Sender: To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Message-ID: <20011201185800.V40196-100000@big> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Again I tried to install the Staroffice6.0 port (of course I have linux-base_7 running). Everyting seemed to work out fine. but when I tried to start it the first time it complained about my beta-version having expired. That was it. What else can be done? Uli. ************************************ * P. U. Kruppa - Wuppertal * * Germany * * www.pukruppa.de www.2000d.de * ************************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 11:39:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-2.enteract.com (smtp-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088F937B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jamestown.21stcentury.net (24-148-18-116.na.21stcentury.net [24.148.18.116]) by smtp-2.enteract.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26A4784F; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:39:03 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jtm@localhost) by jamestown.21stcentury.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB1Jctm13357; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:38:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jtm63@enteract.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jamestown.21stcentury.net: jtm set sender to jtm63@enteract.com using -f To: Jonathan Hilgeman Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Slow/Fast Bandwidth Spurts References: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F039@mailsvr.ecx.com> From: James McNaughton Date: 01 Dec 2001 13:38:54 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5D90F61EB6FDD411836500508B137F1AA3F039@mailsvr.ecx.com> Message-ID: <86itbqd92p.fsf@jamestown.21stcentury.net> Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Hilgeman writes: > I have a FreeBSD box at home running behind a router on a DSL connection. > I have a Windows 2000 box running at a different location on a T1 > connection. It is also behind a firewall. > I use SecureCRT on Windows 2000 to connect to my FreeBSD box via port 22 > (SSH1). > For about 5-10 seconds of my session, the speed is instantaneous - no > problems whatsoever. > All of a sudden, I will hit a slow-down and things I type will take 3 > seconds to echo back from the server. > Suddenly it will be back at full speed for a few seconds. > This cycle loops forever - it is driving me nuts. Any thoughts on this? > > I know that the data is not getting filtered by firewalls or something > because it WILL come through eventually, but the speed just randomly goes > from fast to slow to fast to slow over and over again. No patterns that I > can detect - I'm running Apache and MySQL but nobody knows about the box. > > Any reasons this might happen? > My setup is very similar to yours except I have a cable modem instead of ADSL. I had the exact symptom occur. In trying to find out what was happening while logged in to my home system from work (home is where the BSD is) I started pinging and found a 30% packet loss on my home firewall's outside interface. When I got home I found that the jumper cable from the firewall to the cable modem had bee tugged real hard (probably my cats horsing around). I removed and reinserted the cable securely and the problem went away. Hope yours is as simple. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 11:45:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4BEC37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6954 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2001 19:45:17 -0000 Received: from cx710669-c.lbbck1.tx.home.com (HELO cx710669c) (24.179.69.193) by mail.gmx.net (mp010-rz3) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 19:45:17 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c17aa0$ae2ee730$c145b318@cx710669c> From: "Christopher Leigh" To: Subject: aiw128pagp Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:45:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have an ATi All-In-Wonder 128 Pro AGP card with 32M of RAM. Anywho, I've been wondering how to get this to work with FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and XFree86 4.1.0. I tried installing the XFree86 4.1.0 package and running X -configure but it booboos. Does anyone know how to get this card to work on FreeBSD? It works fine on Linux. I don't want any of the capture/tv capabilities right now, just trying to get X to start... Anyway, Thanx a lot, Christopher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 11:58:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D2437B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.35.31.173] (helo=marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16AGH7-0003Uh-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:58:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.10.11] (helo=pan.realtime.co.uk) by marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AGLK-0002LS-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:02:34 +0000 Received: from waynep by pan.realtime.co.uk with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AGFE-0008TH-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:56:16 +0000 From: Wayne Pascoe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Filesystem types list Date: 01 Dec 2001 19:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <86g06uhfz3.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I am using statfs in one of my programs. In the statfs struct, there is an item named f_type which contains a number relevant to the filesystem type. There is also f_fstypename which is a descriptive name. Eg f_type = 3 is ufs. Where can I find a complete list of what f_type corresponds to what f_fstypename ? Thanks in advance, -- - Wayne Pascoe | Mary had a crypto key, she kept freebsd@molemanarmy.com | it in escrow, and everything that Mary http://www.molemanarmy.com | said, the Feds were sure to know. | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12: 5:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7858637B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (joeo@localhost) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03131; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:05:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: To: Christopher Leigh Cc: Subject: Re: aiw128pagp In-Reply-To: <000a01c17aa0$ae2ee730$c145b318@cx710669c> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you still have the XF86Config file you were using under linux on hand try using that. You'll need to update the mouse device section, but otherwise it should be identical if your using the same machine and monitor. On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Christopher Leigh wrote: > I have an ATi All-In-Wonder 128 Pro AGP card with 32M of RAM. Anywho, I've > been wondering how to get this to work with FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and XFree86 > 4.1.0. I tried installing the XFree86 4.1.0 package and running X -configure > but it booboos. Does anyone know how to get this card to work on FreeBSD? > > It works fine on Linux. I don't want any of the capture/tv capabilities > right now, just trying to get X to start... > > Anyway, > > Thanx a lot, > > > > Christopher > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12: 7: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mango-bay.com (mail.mango-bay.com [208.206.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215137B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from barbish ([63.70.155.32]) by mail.mango-bay.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52377U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:08:06 -0500 From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "ssl" Cc: Subject: RE: manual dial out modem and ppp question Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200112011616110610.00094835@uns.ns.ac.yu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 'man ppp' page has example of ppp interactive mode. Also read this article at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/14/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=1 Between these two documents you should be able to do what you want. If you have a winmodem type modem {IE no onboard controller) then it will not work with FBSD unless you also install the winmodem driver port from http://www.geocities.com/wtnbkysh/ there are several versions and I don't know which one to tell you to use. Find some install instructions from somebody that installed the winmodem drivers at http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/r/e/reh18/A21p/A21p.html#Modem These winmodem divers are new on the scene and very leading edge. Please complete this posting thread by posting your results so people who find the thread when searching about this subject will have a complete picture about the outcome of this information. I have been down this road myself and this kind of informational response is what this FreeBSD-question group should contain. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ssl Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:16 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: manual dial and ppp question Hello, I have question about configuring FreeBSD for dial-out. < FreeBSD 4.4 release, modem CL 33.6 ISA, ISP provides dynamic IP, PAP auth. ,primary and secondary DNS > The part of the modem that is dialing out is damaged. I have to dial my ISP manually. When hear "negotiate signal" what to do ? How to work this out ? Is it all I have to do to edit /etc/ppp/ppp.conf and enter username and password ? Thank you, ssl@uns.ns.ac.yu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12:24:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from koza.acecape.com (koza2.acecape.com [66.9.36.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884FB37B41D for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from networld (fathom.diluvian.net [66.114.64.69]) by koza.acecape.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id fB1KOKK01536; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:24:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000001c17aa5$b7e4c420$0200a8c0@networld> From: "Russell A. Khurshudian" To: "Josh Paetzel" Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" References: <000001c17a99$39f3d2b0$0200a8c0@networld> <20011201131913.B493@twincat.vladsempire.net> Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:25:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Enter password for user@pop.host.com: 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:14:35PM -0500, Russell A. Khurshudian wrote: > > When i use fetchmail to get the mail from my ISPs mail server it says that > > it receives the mail and flushes it. When i check /var/mail/user there is no > > mail. > > > > Contents of my .fetchmailrc > > > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username username is "login name" password > > mypass smtpname username@host.com smtphost smtp.host.com > > > Try this: > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username "pop username" password "pop > password" user "pop username" is "local username" here; > > Josh > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12:30:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mango-bay.com (mail.mango-bay.com [208.206.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07BA37B41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from barbish ([63.70.155.32]) by mail.mango-bay.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52377U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:31:38 -0500 From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "FBSD Questions" Subject: How do I get a console log of root? Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like create a console log of every thing that user root does. How do I make this happen? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12:36:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from bamse.ktv.se (bamse.ktv.se [195.17.241.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2043437B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ktv1 ([195.17.241.139]) by bamse.ktv.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB1KaKA90263 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:36:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leo@ktv.se) Reply-To: From: "Leo De Geer" To: Subject: problem with apache Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:36:15 +0100 Organization: Kristianstad Teknikverkstad Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C17AB0.383CDC70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Leo De Geer" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C17AB0.383CDC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Il get problem whit the access log every time the log turns over. I'm using the newsyslog.conf and the line fore the log is /var/log/httpd/httpd-access.log 644 7 * @T10 Z after turn over I need to restart the apache to get it to log in the new file the pid of apache is /var/run/httpd.pid the version of ferrbsd is 4.4-releas and the apache is 1.3.22 Kristianstad Teknikverkstad www.ktv.se www.teknikshoppen.nu ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C17AB0.383CDC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Il get = problem whit the access log every time the log turns over. I’m using the newsyslog.conf and the line fore the log = is

/var/log/httpd/httpd-access.log        = ;         644  7     *    = @T10  Z

after turn over I need to restart the apache to get it to log in the new file =

the pid of apache is /var/run/httpd.pid

the version of ferrbsd is 4.4-releas and the apache is = 1.3.22

 

Kristianstad Teknikverkstad

www.ktv.se

www.teknikshoppen.nu

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C17AB0.383CDC70-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 12:58:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from khi.comsats.net.pk (khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.4.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9982D37B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from company.mail (ppp7-173khi.comsats.net.pk [210.56.7.173] (may be forged)) by khi.comsats.net.pk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fB1Kv7517054 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:57:08 +0500 (PKT) Received: from ahsanalikh [192.168.0.1] by company.mail [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v4.0.5.T) for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:57:35 +0500 Message-ID: <007f01c17aaa$cd23a9a0$0100a8c0@ahsanalikh> From: "Ahsan Ali" To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" , References: <000001c17a99$39f3d2b0$0200a8c0@networld> <20011201131913.B493@twincat.vladsempire.net> <000001c17aa5$b7e4c420$0200a8c0@networld> Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:57:34 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.1 X-Return-Path: ahsan@khi.comsats.net.pk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG check if sendmail is allowed relaying from the localhost and if you've setup sendmail to accept mail for your domain. and then make sure sendmail is running :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell A. Khurshudian" To: "Josh Paetzel" Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) > Enter password for user@pop.host.com: > 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). > reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost > failed > fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com > fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) > 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). > reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost > failed > fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com > fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Paetzel" > To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" > Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) > > > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:14:35PM -0500, Russell A. Khurshudian wrote: > > > When i use fetchmail to get the mail from my ISPs mail server it says > that > > > it receives the mail and flushes it. When i check /var/mail/user there > is no > > > mail. > > > > > > Contents of my .fetchmailrc > > > > > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username username is "login name" > password > > > mypass smtpname username@host.com smtphost smtp.host.com > > > > > > Try this: > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username "pop username" password "pop > > password" user "pop username" is "local username" here; > > > > Josh > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 13: 0:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346A637B41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from d226-39-102.home.cgocable.net ([24.226.39.102] helo=x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 16AHFq-0005Aa-00; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:00:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (genisis@localhost) by x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB1L7uB66773; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com: genisis owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: Dru X-X-Sender: To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" Cc: Josh Paetzel , Freebsd-Questions Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) In-Reply-To: <000001c17aa5$b7e4c420$0200a8c0@networld> Message-ID: <20011201160332.O66025-100000@x1-6-00-50-ba-de-36-33.kico1.on.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Russell A. Khurshudian wrote: > Enter password for user@pop.host.com: > 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). > reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost > failed > fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com > fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) > 1 message for user at mailhost.host.com (788 octets). > reading message 1 of 1 (788 octets) fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost > failed > fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from pop.host.com > fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Paetzel" > To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" > Cc: "Freebsd-Questions" > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) > > > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:14:35PM -0500, Russell A. Khurshudian wrote: > > > When i use fetchmail to get the mail from my ISPs mail server it says > that > > > it receives the mail and flushes it. When i check /var/mail/user there > is no > > > mail. > > > > > > Contents of my .fetchmailrc > > > > > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username username is "login name" > password > > > mypass smtpname username@host.com smtphost smtp.host.com > > > > > > Try this: > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username "pop username" password "pop > > password" user "pop username" is "local username" here; Hi Russell, Is your sendmail daemon running? That error message indicates that you don't have anything listening on port 25. What's the output of: sockstat -4 and ps -acux | grep sendmail Dru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 13:18:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3C837B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (unknown [209.105.45.85]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2229F31C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:18:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 224B9385E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:19:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:19:14 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" Cc: Freebsd-Questions Subject: Re: Problem with fetchmail (not receiving mail properly) Message-ID: <20011201131913.B493@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Russell A. Khurshudian" , Freebsd-Questions References: <000001c17a99$39f3d2b0$0200a8c0@networld> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000001c17a99$39f3d2b0$0200a8c0@networld>; from russell_k@acedsl.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:14:35PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 01:14:35PM -0500, Russell A. Khurshudian wrote: > When i use fetchmail to get the mail from my ISPs mail server it says that > it receives the mail and flushes it. When i check /var/mail/user there is no > mail. > > Contents of my .fetchmailrc > > poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username username is "login name" password > mypass smtpname username@host.com smtphost smtp.host.com Try this: poll pop.host.com protocol POP3 username "pop username" password "pop password" user "pop username" is "local username" here; Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 13:19:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 967F637B421 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 14514 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:18:59 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:18:59 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Dec 2001 21:18:59 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: updating Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:18:55 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm having trouble updating my src. I have the 2nd CD. Can I just untar each tarball into their respective directory? Or, somehow take advantage of the CVSROOT, ports or src tarballs? Here's a little history regarding the specific problems and the events leading up to them. I ugraded, using the CD, from 4.3 to 4.4-RELEASE. The only oddity that I encountered was the warning that I'd need to use CVS or something to update my src's. So, after the upgrade had completed, I did some reading on how to update via cvs. A tutorial described setting the CVSROOT variable. I set mine to /usr/src. Then, it said to run cvsinit. I don't have such a file. So, I thought that /usr/ports/dev/cvsutils might have it. So, I tried to do a make in that directory. But, it craps out saying: *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/automake. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils. That's pretty much all of the info I think of that might be helpful. TIA, Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 13:27: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.rsasecurity.com (mail.rsasecurity.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A8B937B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdtihq24.securitydynamics.com by tholian.rsasecurity.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 21:26:53 UT Received: from ebola.securitydynamics.com (ebola.securid.com [192.168.7.4]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18123 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spirit.dynas.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ebola.securitydynamics.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id fB1LQss29294 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10660 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 21:26:52 -0000 Received: from explorer.rsa.com (HELO mikko.rsa.com) (10.81.217.59) by spirit.dynas.se with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 21:26:52 -0000 Received: (from mikko@localhost) by mikko.rsa.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB1LQoU63427; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikko) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mikko Tyolajarvi Message-Id: <200112012126.fB1LQoU63427@mikko.rsa.com> To: shanon_loveridge@yahoo.co.uk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: writing a *.bin file on an ATAPI CDR Newsgroups: local.freebsd.questions References: <20011201060829.85759.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.6 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In local.freebsd.questions you write: >OK people I have been searching high and low for this. >I am trying to write a VCD. I have tried both >vcdimager and mkvcdfs and they will both write a >videocd.bin and videocd.cue file for me. No problems >there. However I can not find any prog to write a >*.bin file to a ATAPI CDR. vcdimager suggests using >cdrdao to burn the bin file however that looks like it >will only work for SCSI drives on freeBSD I believe it >will work for ATAPI on linux due to a wrapper of some >sort from the /dev/blah to the SCSI address. >Could someone point me in the right direction as this >is just about the only reason I need to keep windows >on my machine. The ATA driver in -STABLE does not support DAO writing (there is code to do it in -CURRENT, but has not been merged). There is an experimental patch somewhere (search mail archives) to do scsi emulation for atapi, but I don't know if it can provide capabilities not present in the ata driver, nor do I know how stable or functional the patch is. $.02, /Mikko -- Mikko Työläjärvi_______________________________________mikko@rsasecurity.com RSA Security To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 13:41:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h015.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E68537B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 13:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 128 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 13:41:26 -0800 Received: from 64.195.103.89 (HELO boethius.telocity.com) by smtp.telocity.com (209.228.33.222) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 13:41:26 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Dec 2001 21:41:26 GMT Received: by boethius.telocity.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F2471D5B; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:08:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:08:19 -0600 From: Anthony Kim To: budsz Cc: Vallo Kallaste , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OpenSSH-3.0.1 Message-ID: <20011201060819.GA52192@boethius.telocity.com> Mail-Followup-To: budsz , Vallo Kallaste , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011128231515.B2417@bdg.centrin.net.id> <20011129211228.A2088@myhakas.estpak.ee> <20011130223843.B45336@bdg.centrin.net.id> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011130223843.B45336@bdg.centrin.net.id> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Nov 30, 2001, budsz wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 09:12:28PM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > >> How to create manualy /usr/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key and > >> /etc/local/etc/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub, accidently I was remove those > >> files. > > > >Look into rc files in the /etc directory, you'll find hints there. > > I take in /etc/rc file, like this: No, the rc.network ssh-keygen -N "" -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key ssh-keygen -d -N "" -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key Just like how you generate your personal keys, except with no passphrase. -- "Le motd juste." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14: 6:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from boston3.g4.net (boston3.G4.NET [216.177.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC36D37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from warsaw (warsaw.office.g4.net [216.177.0.196]) by boston3.g4.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB1M6iN01808 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:06:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davidl@metro2000.net) From: "David Loszewski" To: Subject: ATI Mobility 4 drivers??? plz help!!! Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:31:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed FreeBSD 4.4 on my Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop figuring that it would be easy to install on since they have a choice to come with Linux. So I installed it, and everything installed fine...but when I try to set up XWindows and choose my vid card (ATI Mobility 4) the closest thing I could find is an 'ATI Mobility' or 'ATI Mobility P' card and try to start the x server it fails. I looked at Dell's site and they only had the linux driver in a rpm file. Any ideas what to do? Any help would be appreciated. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:36:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gladstone.uoregon.edu (gladstone.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A0E37B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (d184-101.uoregon.edu [128.223.184.101]) by gladstone.uoregon.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB1Maoq13034 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200112012236.fB1Maoq13034@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Anholt Reply-To: eanholt@gladstone.uoregon.edu To: Subject: Re: ATI Mobility 4 drivers??? plz help!!! Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:36:51 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You have a Rage 128 chip, which I believe is not supported in 3.3.6. You want to use XFree86-4.1.0. After installing that, I use XFree86 -configure to get a basic configuration file and edit it. I don't know about nice graphical tools to make one. On Saturday 01 December 2001 14:31, David Loszewski wrote: > I just installed FreeBSD 4.4 on my Dell Inspiron 8000 Laptop figuring that > it would be easy to install on since they have a choice to come with Linux. > So I installed it, and everything installed fine...but when I try to set up > XWindows and choose my vid card (ATI Mobility 4) the closest thing I could > find is an 'ATI Mobility' or 'ATI Mobility P' card and try to start the x > server it fails. I looked at Dell's site and they only had the linux > driver in a rpm file. Any ideas what to do? Any help would be > appreciated. > > Dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Eric Anholt eanholt@gladstone.uoregon.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:42:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23D737B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA51699 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:32:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ahc Parity Error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting this error: ahc1: Data Parity Error Detected during address or write data phase This is on a Tyan Thunder7 with on-board scsi and two on-board ethernet cards. I'm trying to use the second to connect over pppoe and it's not working. FreeBSD (4.4-stable as of October 11) is installed on the second scsi hard drive but this seems to relate to the first as the message is based on "status1" and DPE, which is defined as 0x80. Here's pciconf -l: chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x700c1022 rev=0x11 hdr=0x00 pcib1@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x700d1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:7:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x74101022 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:7:1: class=0x01018a card=0x00000000 chip=0x74111022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 chip1@pci0:7:3: class=0x068000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x74131022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 ohci0@pci0:7:4: class=0x0c0310 card=0x00000000 chip=0x74141022 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 pcm0@pci0:10:0: class=0x040100 card=0x80641102 chip=0x00021102 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 emujoy0@pci0:10:1: class=0x098000 card=0x00201102 chip=0x70021102 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 none0@pci0:12:0: class=0x070002 card=0x2031131f chip=0x2031131f rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 ahc0@pci0:13:0: class=0x010000 card=0x246210f1 chip=0x00cf9005 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 ahc1@pci0:13:1: class=0x010000 card=0x246210f1 chip=0x00cf9005 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 xl0@pci0:15:0: class=0x020000 card=0x246210f1 chip=0x980510b7 rev=0x78 hdr=0x00 xl1@pci0:16:0: class=0x020000 card=0x246210f1 chip=0x980510b7 rev=0x78 hdr=0x00 none1@pci1:5:0: class=0x030000 card=0x0f84102b chip=0x2527102b rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 I am just about clueless here...what could be wrong? Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:43:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.microbsd.net (ns2.microbsd.net [4.23.122.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB1537B423; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.microbsd.net (mail.microbsd.net [4.23.122.30]) by ns2.microbsd.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E96D31A4; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:53:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Make RELEASE broken? From: kerberus To: Seth Kingsley Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com> References: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.13 (Preview Release) Date: 01 Dec 2001 17:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1007247196.2509.4.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It just fails ... touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/usd/11.vitut/../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/edit; g roff -mtty-char -Tascii -t -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/usd/11.vitut/../../../../ contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/edit/edittut.ms) | gzip -cn > paper.ascii.gz ===> share/doc/usd/12.vi ===> share/doc/usd/12.vi/vi touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/vi/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitu t; groff -mtty-char -Tascii -t -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/vi/../../.. /../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.in /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/vi/../. ./../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.chars) | gzip -cn > paper.ascii.gz ===> share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/ vitut; groff -mtty-char -Tascii -t -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh/ ../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.apwh.ms) | gzip -cn > viapwh.a scii.gz /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitu t/vi.apwh.ms:42: warning: `CB' not defined /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitu t/vi.apwh.ms:88: warning: `VL' not defined /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/viapwh/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitu t/vi.apwh.ms:109: warning: `LE' not defined ===> share/doc/usd/12.vi/summary touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/summary/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc /vitut; groff -mtty-char -Tascii -t -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/usd/12.vi/summar y/../../../../../contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vitut/vi.summary) | gzip -cn > summar y.ascii.gz ===> share/doc/usd/13.viref make: don't know how to make ref.so. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/share/doc/usd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/share/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/share. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. has anyone had any success recently ?? a buildworld installworls worked fine > What are you doing in the first place? You might try Murray Stokely's > recent paper on release engineering given at BSDCon Europe: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:44:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from ns-exch05.jccc.net (ns-exch05.jccc.net [198.248.56.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896C037B434 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by ns-exch05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:43:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: Noah Dunker To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: A little Script I put together Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:43:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A coworker and I put this together some time ago. We use it mostly on our FreeBSD Laptops. There are a few minor security issues in that this script just blindly accepts packages off the FreeBSD FTP Server (or whatever server/path you choose for $pkg_source. I Figured I'd share. You type a package name, say, xmame, you type: ./pkg_inst.sh xmame And it will download a new package list from freebsd.org, search through it for the full filename of xmame, and feed the whole ftp path to pkg_add, which will download it, and if it has dependencies, pkg_add will download them, too. Kind of like using the ports system, but you don't have to wait. :) /var/pkgindex gets checked every time you run, but it will download a fresh copy if the current /var/pkgindex is more than 24 Hours old. Basically, this just searches the ftp site for the whole version number, so that you don't have to manually trudge out there with ncfpt2 or some such. We decided to use normal shell tools instead of perl. I can't remember why now. :) Enjoy! Props go out to w0lfman68 for not only his incessant prodding of me to make a tool like this, but sitting down and helping me add features and cleaning it up. :) Noah Dunker Systems Analyst/Technician Johnson County Community College #!/bin/sh # # pkg_inst.sh # evil package installer hack # for freebsd # # Usage: pkg_inst.sh # requires lynx # # source of packages pkg_source="ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages/All/" # name of pkgindex pkg_index="/var/pkgindex" if [ $1 ] # check for package name arg then # did we get the name of a package.tgz if [ `echo $1 | grep -e "-[0-9]" | wc -c` -gt 3 ] then # set pkgname to 1st arg pkgname=$1 # find a match in the pkg_index else # do we have a current copy of pkg_index if [ `find $pkg_index -mtime 1| wc -c` -gt 3 ] then echo "Found current pkgindex" # set pkgname to name of newest package version in pkgindex pkgname=`cat $pkg_index |cut -b32- |grep "^$1-[0-9]" |cut -f1 -d " " | tail -1` else # go get a new list of packages echo "Getting fresh pkgindex from freebsd.org" lynx -dump -nolist ftp://$pkg_source >/var/pkgindex # set pkgname to name of newest package version in pkgindex pkgname=`cat $pkg_index |cut -b32- |grep "^$1-[0-9]" |cut -f1 -d " " | tail -1` fi fi # if we have the package name install it if [ `echo $pkgname |wc -c` -gt 3 ] then echo "installing package $pkgname" pkg_add ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/packages/All/$pkgname else # no match found echo "Sorry no match for $1" fi else # you did not supply the argument echo "Usage: install.sh " fi # end of script To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:51:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F141037B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [217.35.31.173] (helo=marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16AIyw-0002F8-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:51:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.10.11] (helo=pan.realtime.co.uk) by marvin.penguinpowered.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AJ38-0002No-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:55:58 +0000 Received: from waynep by pan.realtime.co.uk with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AIx3-00090E-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 22:49:41 +0000 From: Wayne Pascoe To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Project Announcement - Spacewatcher Date: 01 Dec 2001 22:49:40 +0000 Message-ID: <86bshieet7.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I'm not really sure if this is the right place to post things like this, but I hope this will be of use to someone. I have just released spacewatcher 1.0.0. This is a program that monitors used space, and by extension available space on filesystems and notifies a designated contact if used space exceeds predefined thresholds. The project can be downloaded from http://sourceforge.net/projects/spacewatcher At the moment it only runs on FreeBSD and Darwin (Mac OSX.1). I am working on OpenBSD and NetBSD as well as Linux and Solaris (down the line). Right now, any feedback that anyone has would be most welcome. I've tested building and running this on about 4 FreeBSD machines and 1 Mac so far. I could use any bug reports, suggestions for improvements or just general code critique. Sorry to have disturbed. We now return you to your regular programming. -- - Wayne Pascoe | Making numberplates freebsd@molemanarmy.com | http://www.molemanarmy.com | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 14:55: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1A437B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.132.68.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.132.68] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AJ24-0001Jx-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:54:52 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB1Msj724219; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:54:41 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Nick Rogness , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? Message-ID: <20011201145441.H13613@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <906.1006365980@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <906.1006365980@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:06:20PM +0200 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:06:20PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:17:26 CST, Nick Rogness wrote: > > > I made an animated gif that steps through the nat process: > > > > http://freebsd.rogness.net/redirect.cgi?basic/nat.html > > Nice idea! > > Thing is, I'm trying to get a better understanding of how natd interacts > with IPFW. There's a LOT more going on than what's shown in your > diagram. The interaction between natd(8) and ipfw(8) is actually very simple. You can think of it this way, 1. ipfw(8) sends a packet that matches a divert(4) rule to natd(8). 2. natd(8) does "something" with the packet. 3. natd(8) writes the packet back to the firewall through the divert(4) mechanism. 4. The packet, which may have been modified in step 2, continues through the ipfw(8) rules. All very straight forward. Of course, that step 2 is a doosie. But step 2 all happens within natd(8) and really has nothing to do with ipfw(8). As for the web page quoted above, it is a pretty good primer, but it gives some bad advice in the last section. The example is how to block incoming traffic on tcp/53. The example is bad for two reasons. First, blocking tcp/53 breaks DNS. Second, you are better off doing this _before_ the divert(4) rule. You are better off _blocking_ packets before the divert(4) rule whenever possible. That is, # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 Would be the best way to go. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15: 1:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from gladstone.uoregon.edu (gladstone.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB6837B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (d184-101.uoregon.edu [128.223.184.101]) by gladstone.uoregon.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB1N1Pq17979 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200112012301.fB1N1Pq17979@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Anholt Reply-To: eanholt@gladstone.uoregon.edu To: Subject: Re: aiw128pagp Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:01:25 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000a01c17aa0$ae2ee730$c145b318@cx710669c> In-Reply-To: <000a01c17aa0$ae2ee730$c145b318@cx710669c> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We talked on IRC, and the issue is that his chip (0x5446) is not supported in 4.1.0. Another user with this card told me that setting ChipID to 0x5246 in the Device section of XF86Config got 2d working. (this is just until we produce a patch to get these cards supported or X 4.2.0 comes out) On Saturday 01 December 2001 11:45, Christopher Leigh wrote: > I have an ATi All-In-Wonder 128 Pro AGP card with 32M of RAM. Anywho, I've > been wondering how to get this to work with FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and XFree86 > 4.1.0. I tried installing the XFree86 4.1.0 package and running X > -configure but it booboos. Does anyone know how to get this card to work on > FreeBSD? > > It works fine on Linux. I don't want any of the capture/tv capabilities > right now, just trying to get X to start... > > Anyway, > > Thanx a lot, > > > > Christopher > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Eric Anholt eanholt@gladstone.uoregon.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15: 7:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EE937B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA8A366D03; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:06:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:06:59 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kevin Golding Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patching systems using pkg_add Message-ID: <20011201150658.A8217@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 02:31:20PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 02:31:20PM +0000, Kevin Golding wrote: > That leaves 2 options in my mind, firstly I could run pkg_delete before > doing make world etc. or maybe I could just upgrade then manually delete > the entries from /var/db/pkg Yep, both of those would work fine. Kris --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CWKRWry0BWjoQKURAntiAJ9J3Vq/B+/NO34aJ+6J1mWsNYpotgCgtyVt ZA6YjCQR985AVINAhEJNbOI= =ECjQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15:11:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B1F37B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B655B66D03; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:11:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:11:28 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: ssl Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 486 optimisation, mp3 stuff, performance ... Message-ID: <20011201151128.B8217@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200112011616170320.00095E86@uns.ns.ac.yu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l76fUT7nc3MelDdI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200112011616170320.00095E86@uns.ns.ac.yu>; from ssl@uns.ns.ac.yu on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:16:17PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --l76fUT7nc3MelDdI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:16:17PM +0100, ssl wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I am using FreBSD two years ago and now I have some trouble to set up a m= p3 player but questions=20 > aren't only audio related. >=20 > < FreeBSD 4.4 release @ Amd 486 133MHz, overclocked to 160MHz > >=20 > questions: >=20 > 1) How to compile all needed software (ports) with 486 optimisation (with= out editing Makefiles > -if possible) ? Set CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf, which will add gcc optimizations to CFLAGS. > 2) If I installed ports collection that came with this 4.4 release, how t= o install particular=20 > port that was shiped with earlier releases ( want to install old xmms = 0.9 ) In general this isn't supported, but it might work if you cvsup your ports collection back to whatever date you want, or if you use an old copy of the ports collection from the installation CD. I can't for the life of me work out why you'd want to use xmms on a 486, though; it chews up enough CPU even on a fast CPU. > 3) This is very interesting ! > =20 > I installed several mp3 console players: amp,madplay and mpg123. Ok, t= he system is up, I am=20 > listening to my favourites songs with one of these mentioned players. = Then I stopped the music, > do some job for example install software with pkg_add or startx and co= nnect to the internet and > when finish the job I start mp3 player again but music sounds noisy,sc= ratchy, not for listening=20 > at all. > What is happening here ? > --> Is it about freebsd performance ? > --> Is it about oveclocked processor (hardware related problems) ? > --> something else ? Impossible to say from the details you've provided. My best guess is that your CPU isn't fast enough to handle the load being placed on it. Maybe you dont have enough memory and it's swapping to disk, interrupting the mp3 playback. Kris --l76fUT7nc3MelDdI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CWOfWry0BWjoQKURAh+OAJ9SXentYmloedJGkgVdY2RKbjoOGwCg7Wfn A8zVfLeiiG0h0AkEDGc75L8= =DTdS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l76fUT7nc3MelDdI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15:16:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E3437B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8704066D03; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:16:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:16:29 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Kevin Golding , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patching systems using pkg_add Message-ID: <20011201151628.C8217@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011201150658.A8217@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="da4uJneut+ArUgXk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201150658.A8217@xor.obsecurity.org>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:06:59PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --da4uJneut+ArUgXk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:06:59PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 02:31:20PM +0000, Kevin Golding wrote: >=20 > > That leaves 2 options in my mind, firstly I could run pkg_delete before > > doing make world etc. or maybe I could just upgrade then manually delete > > the entries from /var/db/pkg >=20 > Yep, both of those would work fine. Actually you'd want to pkg_delete to remove the backup dotfiles which are created by the package at install-time. I forget what the naming scheme is, but they're created in the same directory as the files the package is replacing. Or you could run a find job and remove them all by hand afterwards. Kris --da4uJneut+ArUgXk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CWQfWry0BWjoQKURAtBgAKCVjFWmUgYzM+sq1vQgI2HcicZZBwCfRXpk h69PL33jLHNl0EvpfluwmPA= =lrdT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --da4uJneut+ArUgXk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15:19:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4137B41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from main ([24.14.243.57]) by femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011201231937.ZTFE23337.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@main> for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:19:37 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c17abe$7c3ef440$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: References: <86bshieet7.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> Subject: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:18:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you install X-server, can x-clients on remote hosts automatically request x sessions or is that something you have to specifially set up in the x-server config? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15:20:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from idk.com (idk.com [65.104.9.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2C937B42A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tony@localhost) by idk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00437; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Message-Id: <200112012319.PAA00437@idk.com> Subject: sh/csh example scripts To: questions@freeBSD.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to learn writing shell scripts. What I am looking for is 1 (or more) that has a lot of examples... Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 15:20:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-85.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD40437B437 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 661C966D03; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:20:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 15:20:28 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Darren Crotchett Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: updating Message-ID: <20011201152027.D8217@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org>; from darren@crotchett.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:18:55PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:18:55PM -0600, Darren Crotchett wrote: > I'm having trouble updating my src. I have the 2nd CD. Can I just untar= =20 > each tarball into their respective directory? Or, somehow take advantage= of=20 > the CVSROOT, ports or src tarballs? Okay, you seem to be very confused about things, and so in order for us to help you you're going to have to say step by step *exactly* what commands you used. Kris --9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8CWW6Wry0BWjoQKURApzPAJ9OLdeaz/XWe86EEz5ywTYob8CvrwCg1not RUMylKng2ekq7D/lRYz+uAA= =zEEu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9dgjiU4MmWPVapMU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16: 5:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850437B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C52B7855F; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:35:07 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:35:07 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vinum raid-5 rebuild Message-ID: <20011202103507.J1769@monorchid.lemis.com> References: <20011201202135.A741@myhakas.estpak.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011201202135.A741@myhakas.estpak.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 1 December 2001 at 20:21:35 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > Hi > > How is rebuilding of failed drive supported in vinum? Can it be done > online or not? Presently I get repeatable filesystem corruption for > online rebuild (revive), in other words, filesystem corruption > occurs everytime while rebuilding failed drive in live volume. Doing > it other way, with unmounted filesystem and volume down, seems to > work. This isn't mentioned in the vinum docs, can anyone shed some > light or correct manuals? It should be possible online, but others have mentioned the same problem. I haven't been able to reproduce it here. If you can shed any light on it, it would be helpful. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:21:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f70.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7709237B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:21:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:21:41 -0800 Received: from 24.116.158.21 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:21:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.158.21] From: "Charles Burns" To: bmcgover@cisco.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Athlon MP systems... Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:21:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 00:21:41.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[5096DF70:01C17AC7] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm curious if anyone has experience with using > > Athlon MP processors. I've > > been looking at picking up something like a Tyan > > S2460, and dropping a couple > > of Athlon MP 1600+ processors on it. > > > > I'm curious if anyone has had good/bad luck with it, > > and their source for > > the MP chips (everyone seems to be selling the MBs, > > Athlons, and the XP > > chips, but none of the major catalogs seem to stock > > the MP 1600+s). You can get them from websites like www.mwave.com under the section "AMD - ATHLON (SOCKET A)" (Not AthlonXP) By the way, the XPs work fine in SMP. The MPs are /guaranteed/ to work fine. Other than that (and the MPs are not clock locked, if you want to overclock for some reason) there is no physical difference. The TigerMP (S2460) seems stable enough. I did several "make -j 2 buildworld"'s at once and it never had the slightest hiccup. Note that you are better off getting single sided DIMMS, as Tyan recommends a max of 6 loads. (either three double sided DIMMS or any combination of double/single sided that equals 6 or less loads) Not that I have heard of any problems with having 8 loads (4 double sided DIMMS), but best to be safe... Charles Burns _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:23:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1F737B405; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB20NLd48699; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:23:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:23:21 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: "Crist J . Clark" Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? In-Reply-To: <20011201145441.H13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:06:20PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:17:26 CST, Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > I made an animated gif that steps through the nat process: > > > > > > http://freebsd.rogness.net/redirect.cgi?basic/nat.html > > > > As for the web page quoted above, it is a pretty good primer, but it > gives some bad advice in the last section. The example is how to block > incoming traffic on tcp/53. The example is bad for two reasons. First, > blocking tcp/53 breaks DNS. Only zone transfers. Which is what the example was intended to do. > Second, you are better off doing this > _before_ the divert(4) rule. You are better off _blocking_ packets > before the divert(4) rule whenever possible. That is, > > # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 I agree, however,that is OK if you know what your public IP is. In a natd-dynamic configuration. This was written just prior to the release of the "me" flag in ipfw (I Believe). Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:26:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D89337B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112vp95.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.229.37] helo=FRANKENFURTER) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AKSO-00069i-00 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:26:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:26 -0800 From: Brian Sobolak X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Personal Reply-To: Brian Sobolak X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <32112067804.20011201163226@mindspring.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Exim and DNS - need a hand on DNS config MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi Short question: How do I get DNS to publish planetshwoop.com, instead of just www.planetshwoop.com or magenta.planetshwoop.com? Longer version (including details): I'm trying to get my mail server working so I can have my email addr match my domain. I've chosen Exim, which I've setup and configured, and am running it on 4.4-STABLE. The exact error message that I'm getting from Exim is (modified to fit inside this msg) 2001-12-01 14:49:50 16AIx3-0008JV-00 ** \ brian@magenta.planetshwoop.com R=send_to_gateway \ T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mailer after \ end of data: host mail.mindspring.com \ [207.69.200.226]: 550 rejected: cannot \ route to sender It's using a remote SMTP server because earthlink (aka my ISP, aka mindspring) does not allow outgoing SMTP - it's blocked at the router level. I have to use their SMTP servers. So I've configured Exim to relay to one of the mindspring servers, and that's been working fine. However, I suspect that the 550 error message that I'm getting is because, as it says, planetshwoop.com doesn't actually appear in DNS. I checked this from another network and indeed, when I try to type "lynx http://planetshwoop.com" it doesn't work, but it will work for www or magenta.planetshwoop.com (the name of the host). I did the BIND configuration myself, following the instructions *exactly* from _The Complete FreeBSD Handbook_ by Lehey. I have included MX records in my DNS files. I believe however that I need to get DNS to publish planetshwoop.com, not just planetshwoop.com or magenta.planetshwoop.com? What piece of the DNS config am I missing, or is this Exim problem completely unrelated? TIA brian -- Got work? http://www.planetshwoop.com/resume/ This is how I think: http://www.planetshwoop.com/blog/ Brian Sobolak sobolak@myrealbox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:27:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223A237B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (unknown [4.61.200.192]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CE3471E6 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:27:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:27:48 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Changing $IFS in a bash shell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I need to change &IFS to be just a newline character, so my for-in-do loop doesn't parse spaces in the item list as delimiters, but I can't seem to set $IFS properly. None of the following yeild the desired result: IFS=\012 IFS=\n IFS=^M What is the proper way to change $IFS? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:28: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from molly.intercom.net (molly.intercom.net [216.240.106.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD4637B41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cross (hh1124157.direcpc.com [206.71.124.157]) by molly.intercom.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB20SWkC010610; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:28:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c17ac7$fff5bd60$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Totally Jayyness" , References: <86bshieet7.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> <001601c17abe$7c3ef440$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:26:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's automatic, if the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess has these next 2 lines uncommented * #any host can get a login window * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser If not, and thats what you want, uncomment them and restart xdm. The Xserver that the remote side connects to YOU with however, needs to allow your servers XClients (Netscape, xtop, etc) to display on their side with the 'xhost +yourdomain.com' command or the Windows XSserver GUI Menu version of the xhost command. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Totally Jayyness" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > If you install X-server, can x-clients on remote hosts automatically request > x sessions or is that something you have to specifially set up in the > x-server config? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAl1KlFb04N5DzUjEQJpjACaApPgFwh+s/h1vUg9jOXOOR71IbwAoOO1 XU2AWGm0i58vbdGI0WUKRjZe =M+BY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:35:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web10001.mail.yahoo.com (web10001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7A4437B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:35:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011202003528.15985.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.219.51.7] by web10001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:35:28 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Kersten Subject: Question on Resizing / To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, Is there an easy way to resize (recreate, etc) the "/" directory without reinstalling the whole OS (on FreeBSD 4.4)? I am running out of space and would like to make a bigger slice. Any ideas???????? TIA, Thomas Kersten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:37:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E8837B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:37:28 -0800 Received: from 213.225.121.247 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:37:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.225.121.247] From: "Thor Legvold" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Firewall rules (ipfw) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:37:28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 00:37:28.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[85615C10:01C17AC9] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Having a bit of trouble getting my firwall rules refined. Am I correct in that a packet gets sent on (and thus bypasses the rest of the firewall) when it meets a rule it matches (that allows the packet in question, of course)? Or does it continue on to the next rule when successfully passing a previous one? Trying to make some sane and simple rules to protect a small home LAN on a cable connection. Maybe Windows 2000 would be better? I was thinking it might be an idea to allow DHCP (ports 67/68), TCP (port 1723) and GRE only on my cable interface, blocking everything else with a deny rule following the allow ones. There's loads of broadcast, RealNetworks and other garbage (seen with tcpdump on the cable iface) I assume would be nice to filter out before it reaches my firewall and NAT, reducing the amount of work they have to do. Then a nat divert rule to my "inside" PPTP/VPN iface (a virtual tun interface "inside" the cable interface), followed by a rule or two against spoofing and then allowing the few things I plan ok'ing (ssh, no http server, no smtp server, passive ftp only, etc), being basically "let the LAN access pretty much anything/where on the net, but deny the net any access to inside machine(s) unless a response to an inside SYN (setup/established)". When I put the global "deny" after allowing GRE/TCP and DHCP (for configuration of the iface, and bringing up the PPTP connection via port 1723), my PPTP connection fails. Meaning it appears that the "approved" GRE packet get's stopped cold when it meets the following deny rule. I'd like it to continue on to the NAT rule, jumping over the rule denying all other traffic on the cable interface. Any ideas on how to make ipfw jump through hoops, or am I trying to do something considered mistreatment of the basic premise? Maybe I should have a divert line _before_ the global deny on cable0, but divert only GRE packets (as they contain the encapsulated PPTP data)? Then run the anti spoofing stuff after nat is finished translating the packets, explicitly allow what I want and leave the deny rule until the very end? I currently have the following: # Allow loopback iface, stop all 127 addresses ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 # Allow DHCP setup via cable0 ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from any 67 to 0.0.0.0 68 out xmit cable0 ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 10.10.0.0/16 67 to 10.10.2.0/24 68 in via cable0 # Allow GRE & PPTP control connection ${fwcmd} add allow tcp from any to any 1723 in recv cable0 setup ${fwcmd} add allow gre from any to any via cable0 # Stop all other traffic via cable0 - only GRE/PPTP/DHCP allowed ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to any via cable0 # NAT ${fwcmd} add divert natd log all from any to any via tun0 ...The rest is still under development, I'll be back when I get to it later... :-) Regards, Thor _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from web12904.mail.yahoo.com (web12904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A7F237B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011202004001.37911.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.2.124.8] by web12904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:40:01 EST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:40:01 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Jansen?= Subject: RE: cisco VPN client for Linux under FreeBSD? Or compatible client? To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000701c17a41$393322c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On > Behalf Of Scott Nolde > >Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:32 AM > >To: Paul Jansen > >Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: cisco VPN client for Linux under > FreeBSD? Or compatible > >client? > > > > > >As far as I know, there are no VPN clients for > Cisco VPN concentrators. > >However racoon (in ports) is possibly your next > best viable alternative > >for VPN access with FreeBSD. > > > >And I'd be very interested if someone knows more, > too. > > > > Cisco VPN concentrators can be configured to provide > Microsoft-style PPTP to > be compatible with the stock Microsoft PPTP, thus > FreeBSD's PPTP clients can > be used here. > > You do have to switch off encryption on the Cisco > devices, though, for some > reason their encryption isn't compatible with MS's. > (at least we never got > it to work) > > > Ted Mittelstaedt > tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD > Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: > http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > Thanks Ted. I did come across this in some doco. It's very unlikely that we'll be able to have encryption turned off as this is customers equipment. Part of the reason they are implementing this is for increased security. I'm hearing good things about people connecting to cisco VPN's from freeBSD (or ALMOST connecting) so I think I try a few things out and keep listening here incase something tips up. THnaks for the suggestion. Paul http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Get organised for Christmas early this year! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:42:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FD237B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.132.68.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.132.68] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AKiP-00030R-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 16:42:45 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB20g0N24554; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:42:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:41:55 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Nick Rogness Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? Message-ID: <20011201164155.L13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20011201145441.H13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from nick@rogness.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:23:21PM -0600 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:23:21PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:06:20PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:17:26 CST, Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > > > I made an animated gif that steps through the nat process: > > > > > > > > http://freebsd.rogness.net/redirect.cgi?basic/nat.html > > > > > > > > As for the web page quoted above, it is a pretty good primer, but it > > gives some bad advice in the last section. The example is how to block > > incoming traffic on tcp/53. The example is bad for two reasons. First, > > blocking tcp/53 breaks DNS. > > Only zone transfers. Which is what the example was intended to > do. This is a common misconception. Blocking 53/tcp breaks queries too, but you don't see the problems it creates too frequently. > > Second, you are better off doing this > > _before_ the divert(4) rule. You are better off _blocking_ packets > > before the divert(4) rule whenever possible. That is, > > > > # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 > > I agree, however,that is OK if you know what your public IP > is. In a natd-dynamic configuration. This was written just prior > to the release of the "me" flag in ipfw (I Believe). OK, # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to any 53 in via xl0 Is fine too. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:51:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C1E37B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:51:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [213.1.164.63] (helo=y9o3h3) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16AKqm-0005Im-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:51:20 +0000 Message-ID: <008001c17acc$7f79f2a0$3fa401d5@y9o3h3> From: "Alex Blundell (aj)" To: Subject: uninstalling apache ( source code) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:58:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C17ACC.7E969780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C17ACC.7E969780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi i would lik to uninstall the apache source code and installa newer = version .. how would i go about doing this? thanks ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C17ACC.7E969780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C17ACC.7E969780-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:51:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933CC37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:51:53 -0800 Received: from 212.217.5.116 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:51:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.217.5.116] From: "adoniram hiram" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: I need help Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:51:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 00:51:53.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[88AEEE80:01C17ACB] Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sir I am a new user of FreeBSD , i just heard of Alternative/Opensource OSes , stuff like GNU/linux and BSDs , i've only used Microsoft windows before , so i don't know much about these OSes , i found the FreeBSD 4.4 release in a CD-ROM of an OpenSource/openware Magazine called LOGIN . I installed FreeBSD , but when i boot my PC , and after chosing F2 for FreeBSD (since F1 is for DOS ) , i have Plenty of stuff coming up but at the end i have this : FreeBSD/i386 (Amnesiac) (ttyv0) [then i they ask me for Login and Password] login : [I thought Amnesiac was the Login and ttyv0 was the pass but when i tried them twice i got a message like :] 2 LOGIN FAILURES On ttyv0 can you please help me , it's very urgent I need your help please email me back as soon as possible , i need to work on my PC but now i hate Microsoft so i wanna use BSD please tell me what Login and Pass do i need to type , or what's the solution anyway Hope hearing from you soon BSDely Yours _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 16:54:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E651937B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB20sbr48955; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:54:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:54:37 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? In-Reply-To: <20011201164155.L13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:23:21PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > > [SNIP] > This is a common misconception. Blocking 53/tcp breaks queries too, > but you don't see the problems it creates too frequently. Someone once mentioned that to me but I have never seen this behavior or read it anywhere (Oreilly,rev3). Maybe you could explain. > > > > Second, you are better off doing this > > > _before_ the divert(4) rule. You are better off _blocking_ packets > > > before the divert(4) rule whenever possible. That is, > > > > > > # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 > > > > I agree, however,that is OK if you know what your public IP > > is. In a natd-dynamic configuration. This was written just prior > > to the release of the "me" flag in ipfw (I Believe). > > OK, > > # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to any 53 in via xl0 > > Is fine too. > -- Yeh, It's been such a while, I'll have to make changes. What's on that site is not exactly the way things should be done anymore. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17: 3:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chen.org.nz (tnt1-25.quicksilver.net.nz [202.89.142.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A936837B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by chen.org.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB2142D07276; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:04:02 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:04:01 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: adoniram hiram Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: <20011202140401.A7155@grimoire.chen.org.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from adoniramh@hotmail.com on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:51:53AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:51:53AM +0000, adoniram hiram wrote: > Dear Sir > I am a new user of FreeBSD , i just heard of Alternative/Opensource OSes , > stuff like GNU/linux and BSDs , i've only used Microsoft windows before , so > i don't know much about these OSes , i found the FreeBSD 4.4 release in a > CD-ROM of an OpenSource/openware Magazine called LOGIN . I installed FreeBSD > , but when i boot my PC , and after chosing F2 for FreeBSD (since F1 is for > DOS ) , i have Plenty of stuff coming up but at the end i have this : > FreeBSD/i386 (Amnesiac) (ttyv0) > [then i they ask me for Login and Password] > login : The initial login is "root" with no password (unless you entered a password sometime during the installation process). FreeBSD (and UNIX in general) has quite a steep learning-curve, I suggest you have a read thru' the Handbook at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Welcome! It's a difficult but rewarding world you've come into. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen | To do is to be -- Nietzsche | To be is to do -- Sartre | Scooby do be do -- Scooby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17: 4:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.new.rr.com (mkc-162-176.kc.rr.com [24.94.162.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5516837B422 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from babylon.polands.org ([65.28.197.21]) by mail8.new.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:07:23 -0600 Received: (from djp@localhost) by babylon.polands.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) id fB1N7K708279; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:07:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:07:20 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Joe & Fhe Barbish Cc: FBSD Questions Subject: Re: How do I get a console log of root? Message-ID: <20011201170720.A8240@polands.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:30:21PM -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: > I would like create a console log of every thing that > user root does. How do I make this happen? > man script -- Regards, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17: 7: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC4D37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB216vM49056; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:06:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:06:57 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Nick Rogness wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:23:21PM -0600, Nick Rogness wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > > > > > [SNIP] > > This is a common misconception. Blocking 53/tcp breaks queries too, > > but you don't see the problems it creates too frequently. > > Someone once mentioned that to me but I have never seen this > behavior or read it anywhere (Oreilly,rev3). Maybe you could > explain. Nevermind...I found a response on a mailing list from you. Cheers, Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:23:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071CA37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (unknown [209.105.45.51]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579731BD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:23:10 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5230E385E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:23:17 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Brian Sobolak Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exim and DNS - need a hand on DNS config Message-ID: <20011201192317.D493@twincat.vladsempire.net> References: <32112067804.20011201163226@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <32112067804.20011201163226@mindspring.com>; from sobolak@mindspring.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:32:26PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:32:26PM -0800, Brian Sobolak wrote: > hi > > Short question: > > How do I get DNS to publish planetshwoop.com, > instead of just www.planetshwoop.com or magenta.planetshwoop.com? Assuming that your zonefile starts like so: planetshwoop.com. IN SOA blah blah blah then ass the following lines: planetshwoop IN MX 10 66.47.229.37 @ IN A 66.47.229.37 Your assumption on what is wrong with your mail is correct. Fix your DNS and your mail will work fine. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:32:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB1B37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-007dcwashp198.dialsprint.net ([63.178.91.110] helo=moo.holy.cow) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ALUG-0006z1-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:32:09 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C708C50DCF; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:33:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:33:54 -0500 From: parv To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing $IFS in a bash shell Message-ID: <20011201203354.A98528@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Darren Pilgrim , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org>; from dmp@pantherdragon.org on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:27:48PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in message <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org>, wrote Darren Pilgrim thusly... > > I need to change &IFS to be just a newline character, ... ... > seem to set $IFS properly. None of the following yeild the desired > result: > > IFS=\012 > IFS=\n > IFS=^M > > What is the proper way to change $IFS? this seemed to work for me in a sh script... IFS=' ' -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:32:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from email02.aon.at (WARSL401PIP7.highway.telekom.at [195.3.96.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD56737B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 141648 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2001 01:32:42 -0000 Received: from l0822p18.dipool.highway.telekom.at (HELO omega-home.ath.cx) ([62.46.166.178]) (envelope-sender ) by qmail2.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2001 01:32:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:32:49 +0100 From: Sperber To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: vmware, network Message-Id: <20011202033249.3d6f7e21.sperber@w3.brgkepler.asn-graz.ac.at> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Following problem: vmware works fine, except network. - It always says: "Could not get adress for /dev/vmnet1: Invalid argument Failed to configure ethernet0." I have no idea what wrong because my ifconfig showed vmnet1 with the correct ip and the modules are also loaded... Has someone experienced the same problem and perhaps even found a solution? Regards, Sperber -- ----------------------------* signature *----------------------------- | _ | | ~\\_ | | \\\\ | | ... .--. . .-. -... . .-. `\\\\\ | | |\\\\\ | | \\\\\|__.--~~\ | | _--~ / | | /~ ////// _-~~~~' | | sperber@w3.brgkepler.asn-graz.ac.at ('-//////-// | | http://sperber.cjb.net //////(((-) | | /////" | | _///" | | ~ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:33: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616237B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.132.68.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.132.68] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ALV4-0006Hf-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:32:59 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB21Wuo24809; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:32:55 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changing $IFS in a bash shell Message-ID: <20011201173255.N13613@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org>; from dmp@pantherdragon.org on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:27:48PM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:27:48PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > I need to change &IFS to be just a newline character, so my for-in-do > loop doesn't parse spaces in the item list as delimiters, but I can't > seem to set $IFS properly. None of the following yeild the desired > result: > > IFS=\012 > IFS=\n > IFS=^M > > What is the proper way to change $IFS? I would expect the last one to work if '^M' is a _literal_ '^M' (that is your keystrokes are, "IFS="). However, I think, IFS="\ " Is probably the "cleanest" way to do it. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:33:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38ED37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (unknown [209.105.45.51]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27371BD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:33:03 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2F772385E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:33:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:33:12 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Thor Legvold Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall rules (ipfw) Message-ID: <20011201193311.E493@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: Thor Legvold , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tlegvold@hotmail.com on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:37:28AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:37:28AM +0000, Thor Legvold wrote: > Having a bit of trouble getting my firwall rules refined. > > Am I correct in that a packet gets sent on (and thus bypasses the rest of > the firewall) when it meets a rule it matches (that allows the packet in > question, of course)? Or does it continue on to the next rule when > successfully passing a previous one? Yes. ipfw is a first match wins system. The first rule that matches gets applied to the packet and the rest of the ruleset is skipped. > > Trying to make some sane and simple rules to protect a small home LAN on a > cable connection. Maybe Windows 2000 would be better? I doubt it. :) > > I was thinking it might be an idea to allow DHCP (ports 67/68), TCP (port > 1723) and GRE only on my cable interface, blocking everything else with a > deny rule following the allow ones. There's loads of broadcast, RealNetworks > and other garbage (seen with tcpdump on the cable iface) I assume would be > nice to filter out before it reaches my firewall and NAT, reducing the > amount of work they have to do. Then a nat divert rule to my "inside" > PPTP/VPN iface (a virtual tun interface "inside" the cable interface), > followed by a rule or two against spoofing and then allowing the few things > I plan ok'ing (ssh, no http server, no smtp server, passive ftp only, etc), > being basically "let the LAN access pretty much anything/where on the net, > but deny the net any access to inside machine(s) unless a response to an > inside SYN (setup/established)". > > When I put the global "deny" after allowing GRE/TCP and DHCP (for > configuration of the iface, and bringing up the PPTP connection via port > 1723), my PPTP connection fails. Meaning it appears that the "approved" GRE > packet get's stopped cold when it meets the following deny rule. I'd like it > to continue on to the NAT rule, jumping over the rule denying all other > traffic on the cable interface. Any ideas on how to make ipfw jump through > hoops, or am I trying to do something considered mistreatment of the basic > premise? > > Maybe I should have a divert line _before_ the global deny on cable0, but > divert only GRE packets (as they contain the encapsulated PPTP data)? Then > run the anti spoofing stuff after nat is finished translating the packets, > explicitly allow what I want and leave the deny rule until the very end? > My guess is that the deny log all from any to any via cable0 rule is killing packets before they ever make it to the divert rule. You can confirm this by looking at either the logs or the packet counters. Typically the divert nat rule is one of the first things in the ruleset. Trying to be efficient is always a worthwhile endevor, and crafting rule sets that are as efficient as possible is a good thing (TM), but on the other hand, a 486 can easily do nat and ipfw for a cable modem, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F6E37B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (unknown [209.105.45.51]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B103C1BD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:39:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C020B385E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:40:00 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: "Alex Blundell (aj)" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uninstalling apache ( source code) Message-ID: <20011201194000.F493@twincat.vladsempire.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Alex Blundell (aj)" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <008001c17acc$7f79f2a0$3fa401d5@y9o3h3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <008001c17acc$7f79f2a0$3fa401d5@y9o3h3>; from alexblundell@btinternet.com on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:58:45AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:58:45AM -0000, Alex Blundell (aj) wrote: > hi i would lik to uninstall the apache source code and installa newer version .. how would i go about doing this? > > thanks If you used the ports tree or package system, then you can use make clean and make deinstall in the port directory. If for some reason you installed apache by hand, you are going to have to delete the source manually. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:43:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9544D37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 26970 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 17:43:49 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 17:43:49 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Dec 2001 01:43:49 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: updating Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:43:43 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> <20011201152027.D8217@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20011201152027.D8217@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011202014350.9544D37B416@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay, you seem to be very confused about things, .... Is it that obvious :)? Here's a play by play (as close as I can recall everything). It started a month or so ago when I decided that I should keep my system as up to date as possible for security reasons. I was running 4.3-RELEASE. To update it, I went to /stand/sysinstall and chose update from the menu. I did the update via passive ftp. I recall it warning me that my src's would not be updated. At the time I couldn't remember the message. Then, I continued with the update. When I rebooted, I discovered that I the system would not boot. So, I figured out that I could boot my old kernel by typing "boot kernel.prev" after booting stopped. Keep in mind that I'm teaching myself networking and this box is not running anything critical, just my web page. But, I want to use it to learn set up other services. Anyway, since I couldn't remember the message that I had gotten earlier and coupled with the fact that I don't have a monitor on this box (I just ssh in), and coupled with the fact that I would have to plug in a monitor to see exactly what errors I was getting on boot, I decided I'd let it ride awhile until I had more time to fix it. After other areas of my life simmered down a little, I decided to try to run down my problems (I prefer to do that because I'll learn something) or just do a backup and start over. So, I downloaded the 4.4-RELEASE iso's. And, I posted a question to this list a couple of days ago looking for advice on how to resolve these issues. I got a reply, but never really got anything that I could work with. So today, I decided that I'd just boot to the CD and run the update program from there. That's when I got the same warning message about that I got the first time. It basically warns me that my /usr/src will not be updated and that I should use CVSup or some other method that handles "deletion events". I continued with the install and when I rebooted, the 4.4 kernel booted. Now, all is well when I reboot. I really don't know what was wrong with it, other than the kernel wasn't there. OK. That brings me to the current problem. I decided to try to update the part that I was warned about. I've never used CVS before. So, I started out reading most of the man page. That gave me some direction, but I wasn't getting anywhere. So, I went to the FreeBSD website and found a link to a tutorial. I attempted to follow it. I set my CVSROOT environment variable to /usr/src. Then, I tried to follow the next step in the tutorial which was to type cvsinit. But, I get "command not found". If I type "cvs update", I get: fbsd# cvs update cvs [update aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory Since I couldn't find the cvsinit file anywhere, I assumed that I'd need to get it. So, I went to the /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils directory and tried to run make (I was hoping that would give me the cvsinit file). That didn't work. Make craps out. Now I remember trying to install something the other day and getting pretty much the same errors. I'm starting to see the connection to the warning message and having outdated sources. That's all that I can think of. I might have left out something obvious, but I don't know what it would be. But, if you need anything else, let me know. TIA, Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:51:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h012.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75CB337B41C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 25327 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 17:50:59 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.219) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 17:50:59 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Dec 2001 01:50:59 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: updating Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:50:53 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> <20011201152027.D8217@xor.obsecurity.org> <20011202014350.9544D37B416@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20011202014350.9544D37B416@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011202015108.75CB337B41C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh. And, I have the second CD. Since I was never prompted for it during the install, I thought it might contain the sources. So, browsing around, I found 3 or 4 tarballs. I thought that I might be able to just untar the sources and cp them to the correct directory. Kinda caveman-like, I know. But, I was running low on options. Darren On Saturday 01 December 2001 07:43 pm, you wrote: > > Okay, you seem to be very confused about things, .... > > Is it that obvious :)? > > Here's a play by play (as close as I can recall everything). > > It started a month or so ago when I decided that I should keep my system as > up to date as possible for security reasons. I was running 4.3-RELEASE. > To update it, I went to /stand/sysinstall and chose update from the menu. > I did the update via passive ftp. I recall it warning me that my src's > would not be updated. At the time I couldn't remember the message. Then, > I continued with the update. When I rebooted, I discovered that I the > system would not boot. So, I figured out that I could boot my old kernel > by typing "boot kernel.prev" after booting stopped. Keep in mind that I'm > teaching myself networking and this box is not running anything critical, > just my web page. But, I want to use it to learn set up other services. > Anyway, since I couldn't remember the message that I had gotten earlier and > coupled with the fact that I don't have a monitor on this box (I just ssh > in), and coupled with the fact that I would have to plug in a monitor to > see exactly what errors I was getting on boot, I decided I'd let it ride > awhile until I had more time to fix it. > > After other areas of my life simmered down a little, I decided to try to > run down my problems (I prefer to do that because I'll learn something) or > just do a backup and start over. So, I downloaded the 4.4-RELEASE iso's. > And, I posted a question to this list a couple of days ago looking for > advice on how to resolve these issues. I got a reply, but never really got > anything that I could work with. So today, I decided that I'd just boot to > the CD and run the update program from there. That's when I got the same > warning message about that I got the first time. It basically warns me > that my /usr/src will not be updated and that I should use CVSup or some > other method that handles "deletion events". I continued with the install > and when I rebooted, the 4.4 kernel booted. Now, all is well when I > reboot. I really don't know what was wrong with it, other than the kernel > wasn't there. OK. That brings me to the current problem. > > I decided to try to update the part that I was warned about. I've never > used CVS before. So, I started out reading most of the man page. That > gave me some direction, but I wasn't getting anywhere. So, I went to the > FreeBSD website and found a link to a tutorial. I attempted to follow it. > I set my CVSROOT environment variable to /usr/src. Then, I tried to follow > the next step in the tutorial which was to type cvsinit. But, I get > "command not found". If I type "cvs update", I get: > fbsd# cvs update > cvs [update aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory > > Since I couldn't find the cvsinit file anywhere, I assumed that I'd need to > get it. So, I went to the /usr/ports/devel/cvsutils directory and tried to > run make (I was hoping that would give me the cvsinit file). That didn't > work. Make craps out. Now I remember trying to install something the > other day and getting pretty much the same errors. I'm starting to see the > connection to the warning message and having outdated sources. > > That's all that I can think of. I might have left out something obvious, > but I don't know what it would be. But, if you need anything else, let me > know. > > TIA, > Darren > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 17:51:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289C537B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.132.68.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.132.68] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ALmq-0000Zx-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:51:20 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB21pHp24885; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:51:17 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Thor Legvold Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall rules (ipfw) Message-ID: <20011201175117.O13613@blossom.cjclark.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tlegvold@hotmail.com on Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:37:28AM +0000 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:37:28AM +0000, Thor Legvold wrote: [snip] > I currently have the following: > > # Allow loopback iface, stop all 127 addresses > ${fwcmd} add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 > ${fwcmd} add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > > # Allow DHCP setup via cable0 > ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from any 67 to 0.0.0.0 68 out xmit cable0 > ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 10.10.0.0/16 67 to 10.10.2.0/24 68 in via > cable0 These DHCP rules are a bit messed up. ITYM something more like, # Allow our initial discovery of a server ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 0.0.0.0 68 to 255.255.255.255 67 out xmit cable0 # Allow a server's initial response ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 10.10.0.0/16 67 to 255.255.255.255 68 in recv cable0 # Allow server to talk to us ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 10.10.0.0/16 67 to 10.10.2.0/24 68 in via cable0 # Allow us to talk to server ${fwcmd} add allow log udp from 10.10.2.0/24 68 to 10.10.0.0/16 67 out via cable0 > # Allow GRE & PPTP control connection > ${fwcmd} add allow tcp from any to any 1723 in recv cable0 setup > ${fwcmd} add allow gre from any to any via cable0 Nothing here allows you to talk back on that TCP connection. > # Stop all other traffic via cable0 - only GRE/PPTP/DHCP allowed > ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to any via cable0 Nothing else at all is going to go in or out? OK. > # NAT > ${fwcmd} add divert natd log all from any to any via tun0 OK. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 18: 3: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B28037B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from main ([24.14.243.57]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011202020257.BTEZ740.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@main>; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:02:57 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c17ad5$4df26b00$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> From: "Totally Jayyness" To: "Ron Hensley" , References: <86bshieet7.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> <001601c17abe$7c3ef440$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> <001601c17ac7$fff5bd60$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:01:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok, great, if you have those two lines commented out, then you can run an xclient on the local machine but xclients on remote machines on the same network as you can't connect to your local machine, correct? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Totally Jayyness" ; Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > It's automatic, if the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess has these next 2 lines > uncommented > * #any host can get a login window > * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a chooser > If not, and thats what you want, uncomment them and restart xdm. > > The Xserver that the remote side connects to YOU with however, needs to > allow your servers XClients > (Netscape, xtop, etc) to display on their side with the 'xhost > +yourdomain.com' command or the Windows > XSserver GUI Menu version of the xhost command. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Totally Jayyness" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:18 PM > Subject: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > > > > If you install X-server, can x-clients on remote hosts automatically > request > > x sessions or is that something you have to specifially set up in the > > x-server config? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBPAl1KlFb04N5DzUjEQJpjACaApPgFwh+s/h1vUg9jOXOOR71IbwAoOO1 > XU2AWGm0i58vbdGI0WUKRjZe > =M+BY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 18:13:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd01.granitepost.com (fbsd01.granitepost.com [209.150.104.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301AB37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sager (austin.granitepost.com [209.150.104.143]) by fbsd01.granitepost.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21025 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:13:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005701c17ae0$f91bdba0$8f6896d1@granitepost.com> Reply-To: "Clarence Brown" From: "Clarence Brown" To: References: <20011201054553.EE4E822984@mail.blazebox.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Help! Postfix Port w/ SASL AUTH support. Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:25:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Paul Blazejowski" > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:46:09 -0600, Clarence Brown wrote: > > > > > When I do this, Postfix does respond with > > several 250- strings, however I do NOT get > > the 250-AUTH string back. > > > > Can anybody help me get Postfix and SASL > > working from the ports? > > > > Hi, > > There's few steps that need to be taken...first create (if you not have > already) a file called smtp.conf in /usr/local/lib/sasl/ cantaining the sasl > AUTH method that postfix will use...eg. pwcheck_method: sasldb.Next you will > need to make postfix aware of SASL.Open main.cf with your favorite editor and > enable sasl, eg. smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes > > For more options see sample-auth.cf in postfix directory...once that done > reload postfix and try telneting to port 25,after EHLO you should see the AUTH > line with list of supported mechanisms...Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Paul B. > Is the file supposed to be smtp.conf, like you wrote above, or smtpd.conf, which I thought I saw in a howto like document. I have created the file /usr/local/lib/sasl/smtpd.conf and it contains the line: pwcheck_method: pwcheck In main.cf have added the line: smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes This is the configuration I have, and it doesn't issue the 250-AUTH line. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Cla. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 19:28:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from molly.intercom.net (molly.intercom.net [216.240.106.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EC037B41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cross (hh1124157.direcpc.com [206.71.124.157]) by molly.intercom.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB23T0kC024932; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:29:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901c17ae1$360ee2a0$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> From: "Ron Hensley" To: "Totally Jayyness" , References: <86bshieet7.fsf@pan.home.penguinpowered.org.uk> <001601c17abe$7c3ef440$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> <001601c17ac7$fff5bd60$0273150a@woodstock.lanalyse.com> <002301c17ad5$4df26b00$0300a8c0@jayyness.com> Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's correct. You'll still be able to login locally however noone else will be able to login or even get a login window with the Chooser, if you comment out all entries in the Xaccess file. If you decide you want to let just a specific host you can do that as well, that Xaccess file is well commented with examples. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Totally Jayyness" To: "Ron Hensley" ; Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > ok, great, if you have those two lines commented out, then you can run an > xclient on the local machine but xclients on remote machines on the same > network as you can't connect to your local machine, correct? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hensley" > To: "Totally Jayyness" ; > > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > It's automatic, if the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess has these next 2 > lines > > uncommented > > * #any host can get a login window > > * CHOOSER BROADCAST #any indirect host can get a > chooser > > If not, and thats what you want, uncomment them and restart xdm. > > > > The Xserver that the remote side connects to YOU with however, needs to > > allow your servers XClients > > (Netscape, xtop, etc) to display on their side with the 'xhost > > +yourdomain.com' command or the Windows > > XSserver GUI Menu version of the xhost command. > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Totally Jayyness" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 6:18 PM > > Subject: X-Server and allowing/disallowing remote hots > > > > > > > If you install X-server, can x-clients on remote hosts automatically > > request > > > x sessions or is that something you have to specifially set up in the > > > x-server config? > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use > > > > iQA/AwUBPAl1KlFb04N5DzUjEQJpjACaApPgFwh+s/h1vUg9jOXOOR71IbwAoOO1 > > XU2AWGm0i58vbdGI0WUKRjZe > > =M+BY > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPAmfd1Fb04N5DzUjEQIAUQCfdu1Jg6Q60aQmxTEJH0KVnfjVY5sAn3W/ zlus5VFJy2nYyo7PUIlTyDVw =/z3D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 19:30:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2B037B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F1FBCDF; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28549; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:30:13 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB23UU209953; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Darren Crotchett Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: updating References: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> <20011201152027.D8217@xor.obsecurity.org> <20011202014350.9544D37B416@hub.freebsd.org> <20011202015108.75CB337B41C@hub.freebsd.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 01 Dec 2001 19:30:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011202015108.75CB337B41C@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know about your 2nd CD and I haven't used "cvs", but it's much more common to use "cvsup". You'll need to read about that in the handbook, etc, and check out the files in /usr/sup and maybe /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ too. Takes a while to figure out, natch. You probably ought to create a "refuse" file too to avoid DLing all the non-English stuff, at least. You'll probably copy /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile to /usr/sup and edit to your liking. I use something like: *default host=cvsup8.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default tag=RELENG_4 *default release=cvs *default delete *default use-rel-suffix #ports-all tag=. #doc-all tag=. #www tag=. src-all I (un)comment some of the last four lines as desired before doing "cvsup /usr/doc/stable-supfile" and hitting the little go icon, but if you're not running X, include options "-g -L 2". You might as well get "ports-all" too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 19:49:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5FD37B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([12.224.234.232]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011202034944.CXSY5859.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@home.com>; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 03:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: <3C09A523.BE939A61@home.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:50:59 -0800 From: Jeff Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org, michaele@mxim.com Subject: Engabling the DHCP client. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Um, the DCHP man page on the web is fine, except I'm confused about two things: 1: How to you EXECUTE dhcpclient? Where do I put the issuance of the execution command? 2: How or where do I locate the dhclient.conf default file? It is NOT currently located in my /etc directory now, and I have no clue as to where to find it.... Thanks very much. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 20:11:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80F37B419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9ACBD0E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01076; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:11:42 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB24Bw410886; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Tony Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sh/csh example scripts References: <200112012319.PAA00437@idk.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 01 Dec 2001 20:11:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <200112012319.PAA00437@idk.com> Message-ID: <06wv06p8fm.v06@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony writes: > I am trying to learn writing shell scripts. That's the best way to learn shell script writing. > What I am looking for is 1 (or more) that has a lot of examples... This shell command will find many examples: locate . | grep "\.[c]*sh$" This will find more: find / | xargs egrep "^#!/bin/(csh|sh)" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 20:29:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from services.webwarrior.net (overlord-host99.dsl.visi.com [209.98.86.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4452037B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from twincat.vladsempire.net (unknown [209.105.45.51]) by services.webwarrior.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC9C1BD for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:29:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by twincat.vladsempire.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A23D1385E; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:29:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:29:20 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: Jeff Williams Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, michaele@mxim.com Subject: Re: Engabling the DHCP client. Message-ID: <20011201222920.I493@twincat.vladsempire.net> References: <3C09A523.BE939A61@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C09A523.BE939A61@home.com>; from macclad@home.com on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 07:50:59PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 07:50:59PM -0800, Jeff Williams wrote: > Um, the DCHP man page on the web is fine, except I'm confused about two > things: > 1: How to you EXECUTE dhcpclient? Where do I put the issuance of the > execution command? man dhclient > 2: How or where do I locate the dhclient.conf default file? It is NOT > currently located in > my /etc directory now, and I have no clue as to where to find it.... > man dhclient.conf You might take a look at rc.conf as well. Typically doing something like this is all you need: ifconfig_ed0="DHCP" Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 20:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D009637B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA52509; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:19:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:19:09 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Jeff Williams Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, michaele@mxim.com Subject: Re: Engabling the DHCP client. In-Reply-To: <3C09A523.BE939A61@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Jeff Williams wrote: > Um, the DCHP man page on the web is fine, except I'm confused about two > things: > 1: How to you EXECUTE dhcpclient? Where do I put the issuance of the > execution command? The executable is dhclient It takes an interface argument (which is good to add), e.g.: dhclient xl0 > 2: How or where do I locate the dhclient.conf default file? It is NOT > currently located in > my /etc directory now, and I have no clue as to where to find it.... You can just create it in /etc. Just touch dhclient.conf If you want to be specfic about anything (an empty file is usually adequate), man dhclient.conf. If you want to start dhclient on boot, see the syntax for the two lines containing dhcp. The flags for dhcp would be the interface (xl0 in the above example) you want dhclient to use. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: mall.daemonnews.org and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 20:34:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC9037B405; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A63BD10; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03639; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:34:41 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB24Yv411182; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: "Crist J . Clark" Cc: Darren Pilgrim , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changing $IFS in a bash shell References: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> <20011201173255.N13613@blossom.cjclark.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 01 Dec 2001 20:34:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20011201173255.N13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > IFS=^M > > > > What is the proper way to change $IFS? > > I would expect the last one to work if '^M' is a _literal_ '^M' (that > is your keystrokes are, "IFS="). However, I > think, > > IFS="\ > " > > Is probably the "cleanest" way to do it. 1) I think that sets IFS to nothing since it escapes the newline. 2) The Unix newline character is ^J (line feed), not ^M (carriage return). 3) In ksh shell, this works: IFS="\n" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 20:59:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744B237B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0584.cvx9-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.178.74] helo=enterprise) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AOih-0006nh-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:59:16 -0800 From: "Eric Lam" To: Subject: Non-Loginable User Accounts Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:04:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How would I create non-loginable users accounts for ftp usage? Like do I have to edit /etc/shells to add /sbin/nologin? Then I chsh /sbin/nologin? Then set the home directory to my ftp home directory? Did I do that correctly? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21: 0:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F1937B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from richard (h0000c0f0bdd0.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.40.215]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fB250X111036; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: "David Loszewski" To: , , Subject: No Screens on XFree86 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c17aee$bb548c50$0600a8c0@richard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed XFree86-4.1.0, after I finished installing it I did the 'XFree86 -configure' and it made my configuration file, so then I type 'startx' and this is the error it gives me: ======================================================================== ============== XFree86 Version 4.1.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510) Release Date: 2 June 2001 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Build Operating System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 [ELF] Module Loader present (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Dec 1 23:47:40 2001 (EE) Unable to locate/open config file (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() Fatal server error: no screens found When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". Please report problems to xfree86@xfree86.org. X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). ======================================================================== ============== Ideas on why I'm getting this and how I can fix it? Any ideas or suggestions would help. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21: 5:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from uce55.uchaswv.edu (uce55.uchaswv.edu [12.4.161.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541EB37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from there ([172.16.32.239]) by uce55.uchaswv.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA10105 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:07:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112020507.AAA10105@uce55.uchaswv.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nathan Mace To: "Freebsd-questions" Subject: any decent P2P clients fro FreeBSD? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:11:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG can anyone recommend and halfway decent peer to peer sharing programs? i'm thinking something along the line of morphues for windows. any ideas? also, please cc me to the replies. thanks -- Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21: 9:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from syndicate.tek-shop.com (tek-shop.com [63.206.17.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2055737B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (adsl-64-160-145-191.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.160.145.191]) by syndicate.tek-shop.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id fB259HA24878 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:09:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@tek-shop.com) Message-Id: <200112020509.fB259HA24878@syndicate.tek-shop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Reply-To: eric@tek-shop.com Organization: TekShop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: java in mozilla & linux compat issues Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:04:36 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been using opera for a while and I'm trying to switch to mozilla, which is already installed on my system. I have linux compat working, because opera ran, and I had a working version of java for opera as well. I have also installed jre-1.1.8 from ports. But mozilla tries to download java for linux from netscape's site and then fails on the install. If java worked in Opera, why can't i get it to work for mozilla? Also, how does rpm installation work in bsd? If I download an rpm, can I just use the rpm system to install it? Will it put things in the proper compat places or will it try to use my bsd system as a linux system and mess things all up. and finally, anybody know how to play quicktime movies reliably? how about a plugin? I've read around and can't find much. Some say xmovie works, but it gives me a hard time. thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:10:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [216.187.106.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B837B405; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A502E7A71; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-11-11 - 2001-12-01 Message-Id: <20011202051003.A502E7A71@m20.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:10:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 30-Nov : Anonymous FTP server Don\\\\\\\'t be a warez source. Keep the server secure. http://freebsddiary.org/ftp-anonymous.php?2 16-Nov : stunnel - another way to avoid plain text passwords don\'t let people sniff your passwords! http://freebsddiary.org/stunnel.php?2 14-Nov : ssh exploit - how to avoid it Using ssh2 and a recent version of FreeBSD can save you http://freebsddiary.org/ssh-exploit.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:24:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from atkielski.com (atkielski.com [161.58.232.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C92937B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by atkielski.com (8.11.6) id fB25O7M37810; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:24:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <008301c17af1$910f4a90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: How do I find major consumers of disk space on the system? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see that there are lots of commands that tell me various things about the filesystems I have mounted and what is on them, but what is the best command or commands to use in order to locate the parts of the file hierarchy that are taking up the most disk space? For example, I have 1.3 GB in use on the /usr filesystem; how can I find out which directories are using the most space (mainly with an eye to deleting stuff that doesn't really need to be there)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:40:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h011.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC57E37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 18828 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 21:40:21 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.217) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 21:40:21 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Dec 2001 05:40:21 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: "Anthony Atkielski" , "FreeBSD Questions" Subject: Re: How do I find major consumers of disk space on the system? Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:40:19 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <008301c17af1$910f4a90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> In-Reply-To: <008301c17af1$910f4a90$0a00000a@atkielski.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011202054021.DC57E37B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG try du -h / | sort -r do a man du for more du options Darren On Saturday 01 December 2001 11:24 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > I see that there are lots of commands that tell me various things about the > filesystems I have mounted and what is on them, but what is the best > command or commands to use in order to locate the parts of the file > hierarchy that are taking up the most disk space? For example, I have 1.3 > GB in use on the /usr filesystem; how can I find out which directories are > using the most space (mainly with an eye to deleting stuff that doesn't > really need to be there)? > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:41:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sebago.galaxia.com (cx670996-b.ports1.ri.home.com [24.10.96.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529F737B41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by sebago.galaxia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB25fQg00746; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:41:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dave@galaxia.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sebago.galaxia.com: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:41:26 -0500 (EST) From: "David H. Brierley" To: Annelise Anderson Cc: Jeff Williams , Subject: Re: Engabling the DHCP client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011202003319.P499-100000@sebago.galaxia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Annelise Anderson wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > Um, the DCHP man page on the web is fine, except I'm confused about two > > things: > > 1: How to you EXECUTE dhcpclient? Where do I put the issuance of the > > execution command? > > The executable is dhclient > It takes an interface argument (which is good to add), e.g.: > > dhclient xl0 > > > 2: How or where do I locate the dhclient.conf default file? It is NOT > > currently located in > > my /etc directory now, and I have no clue as to where to find it.... > > You can just create it in /etc. Just > touch dhclient.conf > > If you want to be specfic about anything (an empty file is usually > adequate), man dhclient.conf. Normally I would agree with this, but not in this case. The original question came from someone with an "@home.com" address. The @home cable network requires you to send the host name before it will respond to the DHCP request. Setting the host name of the machine did not seem to be adequate. The following is what I had to do: in /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ed1="DHCP" in /etc/dhclient.conf: interface "ed1" { send host-name "assigned-host-name"; request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers, domain-name, host-name, ntp-servers; require subnet-mask, broadcast-address; } Replace "assigned-host-name" with the name that was assigned to you by the cable company. The above obviously assumes that your network interface is "ed1". My machine has two interfaces, one going to the cable modem and one going to my internal network. -- David H. Brierley dave@galaxia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:43:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chinmin.edu.tw (ms.chinmin.edu.tw [140.126.111.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6EBC37B416 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10052 invoked by uid 301); 2 Dec 2001 05:46:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:46:07 +0800 From: Greg Matheson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: rshd refuses login depending whether client on LAN or dialup Message-ID: <20011202134607.A7050@ms.chinmin.edu.tw> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am a user on a FreeBSD system where I have a cvs repository set up and I have cvs working on it in client/server mode, but only from some of the Windows 98 machines running cygwin on which I am trying to develop from. The problem is rshd is refusing to log me in from some IP addresses. It seems to depend on whether the client is on a LAN or a dialup network, but this may be because the LAN IP addresses don't appear to have reverse DNS, and the dialup ones do. The error messages from rsh are similar to those reported in http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=573265+0+archive/2001/freebsd-questions/20010930.freebsd-questions Looking at /etc/hosts.allow, I see: # Prevent those with no reverse DNS from connecting. ALL : PARANOID : RFC931 20 : deny I am not too sure that this is the line which is causing me problems, because I am able to login to the telnet and ftp servers from all of the IP addresses I am using. If it is, I have to consider the options before approaching the sysads who it is difficult to communicate with. Should I ask them to activate the cvs pserver in /etc/inetd.conf? #cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs Should I ask them to try to give me reverse DNS for some IP addresses, which however are not in their domain? OR can I ask them to relax the reverse DNS rule for some IP addresses? Is the line in /etc/hosts.allow in fact the problem? -- Greg Matheson The students are not brilliant. Chinmin College Luckily, we're brilliant teachers. --Lee Altschuler Taiwan Penpals Archive To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:50:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from castle.jp.freebsd.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8A237B419; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castle.jp.freebsd.org (8.9.3+3.2W/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA61661; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:50:10 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1007247196.2509.4.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> References: <1007187755.2509.1.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> <20011201050521.H61534@fluff.meowfishies.com> <1007247196.2509.4.camel@ns2.microbsd.net> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 12 From: Makoto Matsushita To: kerberus@microbsd.net Subject: Re: Make RELEASE broken? Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:50:08 +0900 Message-Id: <20011202145008L.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You may want to mention that which branch (5-current, 4-stable, etc) you wanna try. Also you may want to clear that when you sup your code. kerberus> ===> share/doc/usd/13.viref kerberus> make: don't know how to make ref.so. Stop kerberus> *** Error code 2 src/contrib/nvi/docs/USD.doc/vi.ref/ref.so should be there. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:57: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h012.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6F3337B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 7362 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2001 21:57:01 -0800 Received: from 64.130.100.249 (HELO there) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.219) with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 21:57:01 -0800 X-Sent: 2 Dec 2001 05:57:01 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Darren Crotchett Organization: n/a To: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Subject: Re: updating Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:56:59 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20011201211900.967F637B421@hub.freebsd.org> <20011202015108.75CB337B41C@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011202055702.C6F3337B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you very much. And, thanks to all who responded. It seems to be updating correctly now. Soon I'll know if that fixes my problems with make in the ports directories. cvsup wasn't not installed. So, I had to find it and use pkg_add. In the process, I _think_ I'm beginning to better see the differences between ports and packages. Once I got cvsup installed, it was just a matter of following your advice and the example files (along with the handbook). The only thing that I really changed from your suggestion was the tag=RELENG_4. I changed mine to tag=RELENG_4_4. I hope that was OK. And, btw, I'm not using X on FreeBSD. I use it on Linux-Mandrake. But, I wanted to keep the FreeBSD box free of extraneous software. So, assuming that this works out, if I want to put it in a cron, how often should I run it? And, if this updates the sources, do I need to follow it up with a pkg_update or something to update the binaries. Thanks, Darren On Saturday 01 December 2001 09:30 pm, you wrote: > I don't know about your 2nd CD and I haven't used "cvs", but it's much > more common to use "cvsup". You'll need to read about that in the > handbook, etc, and check out the files in /usr/sup and maybe > /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ too. Takes a while to figure out, natch. > You probably ought to create a "refuse" file too to avoid DLing all the > non-English stuff, at least. > > You'll probably copy /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile > to /usr/sup and edit to your liking. I use something like: > > *default host=cvsup8.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default tag=RELENG_4 > *default release=cvs > *default delete > *default use-rel-suffix > #ports-all tag=. > #doc-all tag=. > #www tag=. > src-all > > I (un)comment some of the last four lines as desired before doing > "cvsup /usr/doc/stable-supfile" and hitting the little go icon, > but if you're not running X, include options "-g -L 2". > You might as well get "ports-all" too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:57:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E7237B405; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id fB25vI150723; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:57:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:57:18 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: "Crist J . Clark" Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diagrams on natd? In-Reply-To: <20011201145441.H13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Crist J . Clark wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:06:20PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:17:26 CST, Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > I made an animated gif that steps through the nat process: > > > > > > http://freebsd.rogness.net/redirect.cgi?basic/nat.html [SNIP] > As for the web page quoted above, it is a pretty good primer, but > it gives some bad advice in the last section. The example is how to > block incoming traffic on tcp/53. The example is bad for two > reasons. First, blocking tcp/53 breaks DNS. Second, you are better off > doing this _before_ the divert(4) rule. You are better off _blocking_ > packets before the divert(4) rule whenever possible. That is, > > # ipfw add 40 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 After looking it over, I realized why I wrote it the way I did. The problem doesn't arise until you start allowing things before divert. Denying doesn't seem to be a problem. Consider the following ruleset: ipfw add 40 allow tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 ipfw add 45 deny ip from any to 20.30.40.51 in via xl0 ipfw add 50 divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 Rule #50 in this case will not be hit. Now you don't really need rule 40 or 45 in order for it to work. But if you wanted to block all other traffic from 20.30.40.51 (except tcp-53) before the divert rule you're going to run into trouble. This is why I recommended firewalling on the INSIDE address after nat is done. Especially on a -redirect_address'd host, as all traffic is going to go to the INSIDE address. Maybe a better solution would be (If you wanted to firewall on the public address): ipfw add 40 skipto 50 tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 53 in via xl0 ipfw add 45 deny tcp from any to 20.30.40.51 in via xl0 ipfw add 50 divert natd ip from any to any via xl0 I guess it probably doesn't matter one way or the other. It's still damn interesting to think about though. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 21:59:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAB037B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.132.68.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.132.68] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16APef-0005j1-00; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 21:59:14 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fB25wOH25378; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:58:16 -0800 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: Darren Pilgrim , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changing $IFS in a bash shell Message-ID: <20011201215816.P13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> <20011201173255.N13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from swear@blarg.net on Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:34:57PM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:34:57PM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > > > IFS=^M > > > > > > What is the proper way to change $IFS? > > > > I would expect the last one to work if '^M' is a _literal_ '^M' (that > > is your keystrokes are, "IFS="). However, I > > think, > > > > IFS="\ > > " > > > > Is probably the "cleanest" way to do it. > > 1) I think that sets IFS to nothing since it escapes the newline. Sorry, $ IFS=" " > 2) The Unix newline character is ^J (line feed), > not ^M (carriage return). Good point. It would be, IFS= Above, but that doesn't seem to work... > 3) In ksh shell, this works: IFS="\n" But it doesn't work in bash. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 22:25:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from dsdk12.net (andromeda.dsdk12.net [207.109.100.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B6637B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by dsdk12.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7AA373CB6; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dsdk12.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7962221FBB; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:25:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:25:14 -0700 (MST) From: Derrik Pates To: David Loszewski Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, , Subject: Re: [Xpert]No Screens on XFree86 In-Reply-To: <000701c17aee$bb548c50$0600a8c0@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, David Loszewski wrote: > I just installed XFree86-4.1.0, after I finished installing it I did the > 'XFree86 -configure' and it made my configuration file, so then I type > 'startx' and this is the error it gives me: Did you copy the created config file (./XF86Config.new) to /etc/X11/XF86Config? If not, that probably explains why the log is claiming that it couldn't open the config file. Derrik Pates | Sysadmin, Douglas School | #linuxOS on EFnet dpates@dsdk12.net | District (dsdk12.net) | #linuxOS on OPN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 22:51:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mangrove.services.adelaide.edu.au (mangrove.services.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.43.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68F837B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from student.adelaide.edu.au (IDENT:nobody@stipa.services.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.43.3]) by mangrove.services.adelaide.edu.au (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fB26pDA29161 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:21:14 +1030 From: "Paul Adam Hoadley" Reply-To: paul.hoadley@student.adelaide.edu.au To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:21:14 +1050 Subject: Re: ADSL PPPoE (Telstra Aust.) began to hang between 4.3- and 4.4-RELEASE X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.5e, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3c09cf62.5c47.0@student.adelaide.edu.au> X-User-Info: 203.49.60.114 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg, > Surely someone with Telstra ADSL is using a recently dated > version of FreeBSD 4-STABLE and can confirm or refute this > problem. Perhaps Paul Hoadley whose guide "FreeBSD on > Telstra's Bigpond ADSL network" I used to set this up > originally? My gateway is still running 4.3-RELEASE, and as you mentioned elsewhere, it's pretty much rock solid with Telstra ADSL. I have Cc:'d Aaron Hill who I am fairly certain has upgraded to 4.4-RELEASE, though I haven't read to the end of my -questions inbox, and he may have already replied. -- Paul. mailto:paulh@logicsquad.net mailto:paul.hoadley@student.adelaide.edu.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 23:17:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F176E37B417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AQsF-0007Q7-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 07:17:15 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.net, from userid 500) id E23351111; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:17:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:17:13 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changing $IFS in a bash shell Message-ID: <20011202081713.A17293@raggedclown.net> References: <3C097584.B51ECEBC@pantherdragon.org> <20011201173255.N13613@blossom.cjclark.org> <20011201215816.P13613@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011201215816.P13613@blossom.cjclark.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:58:16PM -0800, Crist J . Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 08:34:57PM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > > > > IFS=^M > > > > > > > > What is the proper way to change $IFS? > > > > > > I would expect the last one to work if '^M' is a _literal_ '^M' (that > > > is your keystrokes are, "IFS="). However, I > > > think, > > > > > > IFS="\ > > > " > > > > > > Is probably the "cleanest" way to do it. > > > > 1) I think that sets IFS to nothing since it escapes the newline. > > Sorry, > > $ IFS=" > " > > > 2) The Unix newline character is ^J (line feed), > > not ^M (carriage return). > > Good point. It would be, > > IFS= > > Above, but that doesn't seem to work... > > > 3) In ksh shell, this works: IFS="\n" > > But it doesn't work in bash. IFS=" " Is what I use in real life :) -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Dec 1 23:21:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64BC37B405 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AQwU-0007g7-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 07:21:38 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.net, from userid 500) id 3C0991111; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:21:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:21:38 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question on Resizing / Message-ID: <20011202082138.B17293@raggedclown.net> References: <20011202003528.15985.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011202003528.15985.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 04:35:28PM -0800, Tom Kersten wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there an easy way to resize (recreate, etc) the "/" > directory without reinstalling the whole OS (on > FreeBSD 4.4)? I am running out of space and would like > to make a bigger slice. Any ideas???????? > Mmm, the real question here is why are you running out of space on "/" ? What are you using it for ? Send a list of your file systems and sizes. 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