From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Oct 8 19:27:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FB337B407; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f992OsH47968; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200110090224.f992OsH47968@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gibbs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org, gibbs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i386/30802: repeat of i386/22760. Adaptec SCSI controller cannot find disks after reboot Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: repeat of i386/22760. Adaptec SCSI controller cannot find disks after reboot Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-scsi->gibbs Responsible-Changed-By: gibbs Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Oct 8 19:24:40 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My driver http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30802 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Oct 8 21:39:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.whitebarn.com (Spin.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7709037B401; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BGPBook.Com (Relent.Bob.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.50]) by smtp.whitebarn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA34553; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:39:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Bob@BGPBook.Com) Message-ID: <3BC27F89.4090706@BGPBook.Com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:39:37 -0500 From: Bob Van Valzah User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Hardware@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-SCSI@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Install@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-FS@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Config@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Vinum Bootstrapping Article Reviewers Wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm working on an article that describes how to get started using Vinum (software RAID). After a gentle introduction, it takes the reader through the process starting with /stand/sysinstall and ending with a sever with mirrored volumes. It also covers several hardware failure scenarios and the recovery techniques needed to get a server back to normal. I'd like to make sure that the step-by-step procedures that it contains are correct for a wide audience. Folks experienced with Vinum could help by reviewing the article and commenting on subtleties I've missed. Vinum newbies could by providing a perspective that I lack. I'd particularly like to find reviewers who tried to get Vinum going in the past but gave up. You'll need to have access to a CPU on which you can do fresh FreeBSD installs. Anything better than a 486 with 8 MB of RAM should be ok as long as you can get to installation media. You'll need two or more disk drives of at least 500 MB or so. IDE or SCSI, mix & match are ok. The article is about 30 pages, so you'll need time to read it and try the procedures. I'd budget at least 2-3 hours, more if you'll have to scrape the hardware together. Comments returned to me in the next few days might make it into a version of the article that I hope will appear in the next print edition of the handbook. So if you have the necessary time, hardware, and inclination, please drop me a line and I'll get you a draft! Thanks, Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 1:20:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.minjust.gov.ua (oberon.minjust.gov.ua [195.5.27.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAFA37B409 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from key.minjust.gov.ua ([10.1.9.23]) by oberon.minjust.gov.ua with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 15rEb3-0004gb-00 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:20:09 +0300 Received: from jc by key.minjust.gov.ua with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15rEbI-0009d4-00 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:20:24 +0300 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:20:24 +0300 From: Igor Karpov To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with Adaptec aic7896/97 on FreeBSD-4.4 STABLE. Message-ID: <20011010112024.C36883@minjust.gov.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Scanner: exiscan *15rEb3-0004gb-00*d71W894sRUM* http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Got an unpleasant problem with my SCSI. Sometimes (few times during this year) the following occurs: Oct 10 05:42:25 hubris /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): SCB 0x3e - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x16e Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: STACK == 0x17c, 0x166, 0x35, 0x35 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0x88 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: ahc0: Dumping Card State at SEQADDR 0x16e Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SCSISEQ = 0x12, SBLKCTL = 0xa, SSTAT0 0x0 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SCB count = 130 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 116 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 76 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 76 19 115 114 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 19 0 21 24 28 13 12 14 10 26 7 27 16 30 18 15 20 1 6 5 11 2 17 29 22 31 8 3 4 9 25 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Pending list: 114 115 19 76 62 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 18 45 95 21 71 63 108 68 112 64 55 38 1 51 106 42 2 52 34 85 16 11 20 104 8 73 4 33 110 81 39 23 80 94 69 96 47 53 14 99 121 6 29 40 70 65 90 32 86 117 28 93 77 111 22 109 57 123 78 54 30 41 66 24 43 107 0 56 7 103 5 17 120 118 13 128 59 3 48 127 79 35 88 87 75 124 44 100 10 50 101 91 113 58 61 122 25 49 46 12 126 82 129 67 102 89 31 98 60 37 125 27 92 74 119 83 15 26 84 36 97 105 9 72 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x881000 : Length 2560 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): Queuing a BDR SCB Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): SCB 0x3e - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x16e Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: STACK == 0x17c, 0x166, 0x35, 0x35 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0x88 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: ahc0: Dumping Card State at SEQADDR 0x16e Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SCSISEQ = 0x12, SBLKCTL = 0xa, SSTAT0 0x0 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: SCB count = 130 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 19 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 116 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 116 114 62 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 19 0 21 24 28 13 12 14 10 26 7 27 16 30 18 15 20 1 6 5 11 2 17 29 22 31 8 3 4 9 25 Oct 10 05:42:30 hubris /kernel: Pending list: 114 116 62 Oct 10 05:42:31 hubris /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 115 76 18 45 95 21 71 63 108 68 112 64 55 38 1 51 106 42 2 52 34 85 16 11 20 104 8 73 4 33 110 81 39 23 80 94 69 96 47 53 14 99 121 6 29 40 70 65 90 32 86 117 28 93 77 111 22 109 57 123 78 54 30 41 66 24 43 107 0 56 7 103 5 17 120 118 13 128 59 3 48 127 79 35 88 87 75 124 44 100 10 50 101 91 113 58 61 122 25 49 46 12 126 82 129 67 102 89 31 98 60 37 125 27 92 74 119 83 15 26 84 36 97 105 9 72 Oct 10 05:42:31 hubris /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x881000 : Length 2560 Oct 10 05:42:31 hubris /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34b Oct 10 05:42:31 hubris /kernel: ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 3 SCBs aborted Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): SCB 0x12 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x16e Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: STACK == 0x17c, 0x166, 0x35, 0x35 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0x88 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: ahc0: Dumping Card State at SEQADDR 0x16e Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: SCSISEQ = 0x12, SBLKCTL = 0xa, SSTAT0 0x0 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: SCB count = 130 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 2 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 116 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 116 108 115 62 19 21 71 76 95 114 63 45 68 112 64 55 38 1 51 106 42 Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: Oct 10 05:43:37 hubris /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 13 0 21 24 26 7 14 10 12 27 28 16 30 18 15 20 1 6 5 11 2 17 29 22 31 8 3 4 9 25 After two hours the server crashed. I have softupdates turned on. A part of dmesg: ahc0: port 0x1400-0x14ff mem 0xf4100000-0xf4100fff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 aic7896/97: Ultra2 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0x1800-0x18ff mem 0xf4101000-0xf4101fff irq 11 at device 12.1 on pci0 aic7896/97: Ultra2 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs [dd] da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da2: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) What's happening? Should I replace the SCSI adapter? Isn't the driver for Adaptec aic7896/97? Or something wrong with my hardware? Searching the mailing lists I've found a lot of similar questions - but almost no answers. If someone could answer this, please send me CC: - I'm not on the list... Regards, -- Igor A. Karpov phone: +380(44)238-0624 Unix System Administrator I wasn't born Republican, Democrat, or yesterday. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 4:39: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A67337B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:39:01 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A38D@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: sa0 not mounted? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:38:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I recently connected a HP SureStore DAT8 to one of my systems (FreeBSD 4.2). When I check the "dmesg" I only find pass1; which return the information of the tapedrive when I query it. I'm even able to eject the tape with camcontrol on pass1. However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. Could I be missing something? -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 6:45:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B62E37B408 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f9ADjDW21602; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:45:13 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010074513.A21578@panzer.kdm.org> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A38D@NETIVITY-FS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A38D@NETIVITY-FS>; from enriko.groen@netivity.nl on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 01:38:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 13:38:55 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > Hi! > > I recently connected a HP SureStore DAT8 to one of my systems (FreeBSD 4.2). > When I check the "dmesg" I only find pass1; which return the information of > the tapedrive when I query it. > I'm even able to eject the tape with camcontrol on pass1. > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > Could I be missing something? You need the sa device in your kernel config file. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 7:11:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE55737B405 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A393@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:11:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > > > Could I be missing something? > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. I have that... -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 7:36:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from isber.ucsb.edu (research.isber.ucsb.edu [128.111.147.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FE637B40A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=research.isber.ucsb.edu) by isber.ucsb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #6) id 15rKSA-000IxM-00; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:35:22 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: randall ehren To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A393@NETIVITY-FS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. > > I have that... > are you trying to mount the tape like a hard disk? if so, you can't do such a thing. to write to the tape you must use a program like 'dump' or 'dd', and to retreive information from the tape you must use something like 'restore' -randall ehren system administrator -=- isber.ucsb.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 7:45:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A5737B4EC for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f9AEit321947; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:44:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:44:55 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010084455.A21928@panzer.kdm.org> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A393@NETIVITY-FS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A393@NETIVITY-FS>; from enriko.groen@netivity.nl on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:11:21PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:11:21 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > > > > > Could I be missing something? > > > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. > > I have that... Please send dmesg output, then. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 7:52:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F9737B403 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:52:50 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:52:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:11:21 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > > > > > > > Could I be missing something? > > > > > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. > > > > I have that... > > Please send dmesg output, then. The relevant part: plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not mounted. -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 7:53:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2775137B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:53:30 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A396@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:53:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: randall ehren [mailto:randall@isber.ucsb.edu] > > are you trying to mount the tape like a hard disk? if so, you can't do > such a thing. to write to the tape you must use a program > like 'dump' or > 'dd', and to retreive information from the tape you must use something > like 'restore' I was trying tar... but even an "mt inquiry" on the sa0 device won't work. Like I mentioned... device sa is in the kernel; but it doesn't show up at boottime (dmesg). I can however quiry and manipulate the device through the corosponding pass-device. -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 8:14:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B9137B408 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f9AFEEj22146; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:14:14 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010091414.A22129@panzer.kdm.org> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS>; from enriko.groen@netivity.nl on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:52:43 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:11:21 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > > > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > > > > > > > > > Could I be missing something? > > > > > > > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. > > > > > > I have that... > > > > Please send dmesg output, then. > > The relevant part: > > plip0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > mounted. Did you reconfig, recompile and install your kernel after changing the config file? Try the following: strings /kernel |grep samount Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 8:16:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D23B37B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f9AFG6s22230; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:16:06 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010091606.A22210@panzer.kdm.org> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> <20011010091414.A22129@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20011010091414.A22129@panzer.kdm.org>; from ken@kdm.org on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:14:14AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:14:14 -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:52:43 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > > mounted. > > Did you reconfig, recompile and install your kernel after changing the > config file? > > Try the following: > > strings /kernel |grep samount Better yet, try: nm /kernel |grep samount Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 8:18:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cicely.de (ppp98.uni-duisburg.de [134.91.19.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8489237B403 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f9AFI5E04491; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:18:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:18:05 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010171804.D4312@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS>; from enriko.groen@netivity.nl on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > plip0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > mounted. Can you please check with "kldstat -v | grep ' sa'" if the kernel really has scsi tape support. It should look similar like this: ticso@cicely5# kldstat -v | grep ' sa' 8 sa ticso@cicely5# -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 8:20:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34E037B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:20:02 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A398@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , Enriko Groen Cc: "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:19:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth D. Merry [mailto:ken@kdm.org] > > Did you reconfig, recompile and install your kernel after > changing the > > config file? > > > > Try the following: > > > > strings /kernel |grep samount > > Better yet, try: > > nm /kernel |grep samount Oh bloody me... I did a reconfig and recompile... but the install failed because I had kernel protection... forgot about that... when I powered down and powered up again I thought I had the new kernel.. Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try running with the new kernel... If I don't come back; it worked... -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 8:21:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA037B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f9AFLSt22327; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:21:28 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Bernd Walter Cc: Enriko Groen , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010092128.A22270@panzer.kdm.org> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> <20011010171804.D4312@cicely20.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20011010171804.D4312@cicely20.cicely.de>; from ticso@mail.cicely.de on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 05:18:05PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 17:18:05 +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > plip0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > > mounted. > > Can you please check with "kldstat -v | grep ' sa'" if the kernel really > has scsi tape support. > It should look similar like this: > > ticso@cicely5# kldstat -v | grep ' sa' > 8 sa > ticso@cicely5# # kldstat -v |grep ' sa' # That's on a machine that has the sa(4) driver compiled into the kernel. If he's got it compiled into the kernel (as opposed to loading cam as a module), 'nm /kernel |grep samount' would probably work better. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 9:45:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8737B405 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AGj5H74109; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't assume what is or isn't relevant. So far, we see a 'pass' device. Lacking other info, your config file probably doesn't have device sa in it. On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Enriko Groen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 16:11:21 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > > > > However sa0 is not mounted and I'm not able to mount it. > > > > > > > > > > Could I be missing something? > > > > > > > > You need the sa device in your kernel config file. > > > > > > I have that... > > > > Please send dmesg output, then. > > The relevant part: > > plip0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > mounted. > > -- > Enriko Groen, Hosting manager > -------------------------------------------------------- > netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl > 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 9:46:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2D237B406 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AGk2H74123; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: Enriko Groen , "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: <20011010171804.D4312@cicely20.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sa isn't a module On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > plip0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: on ppbus0 > > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > Enabled > > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > > mounted. > > Can you please check with "kldstat -v | grep ' sa'" if the kernel really > has scsi tape support. > It should look similar like this: > > ticso@cicely5# kldstat -v | grep ' sa' > 8 sa > ticso@cicely5# > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 9:46:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E0E37B408 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AGkCH74130; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: Enriko Groen , "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oops, never mind! On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > sa isn't a module > > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Bernd Walter wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 04:52:43PM +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > > plip0: on ppbus0 > > > lpt0: on ppbus0 > > > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > > > ppi0: on ppbus0 > > > ep2: <3Com 3C509B-TPO EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 5 on isa0 > > > ep2: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:72:52:52 > > > ad0: 4110MB [14848/9/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > > > Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > > pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > > > pass1: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > > > pass1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > > > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > > Enabled > > > da0: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > > > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device > > > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > > > Enabled > > > da1: 17510MB (35861388 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2232C) > > > > > > > > > As you can see... pass1 detects a HP C1533A, but an sa device is not > > > mounted. > > > > Can you please check with "kldstat -v | grep ' sa'" if the kernel really > > has scsi tape support. > > It should look similar like this: > > > > ticso@cicely5# kldstat -v | grep ' sa' > > 8 sa > > ticso@cicely5# > > > > -- > > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 9:46:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A9037B40C for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AGkXH74150; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Enriko Groen Cc: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A398@NETIVITY-FS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org try 'make install' On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Enriko Groen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kenneth D. Merry [mailto:ken@kdm.org] > > > > Did you reconfig, recompile and install your kernel after > > changing the > > > config file? > > > > > > Try the following: > > > > > > strings /kernel |grep samount > > > > Better yet, try: > > > > nm /kernel |grep samount > > Oh bloody me... > I did a reconfig and recompile... but the install failed because I had > kernel protection... > forgot about that... when I powered down and powered up again I thought I > had the new kernel.. > > Thanks for the suggestion! > > I'll try running with the new kernel... If I don't come back; it worked... > > > -- > Enriko Groen, Hosting manager > -------------------------------------------------------- > netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl > 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 10:13:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cicely.de (ppp59.uni-duisburg.de [134.91.19.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED68C37B403 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f9AHDNl04747; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:13:22 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Bernd Walter , Enriko Groen , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? Message-ID: <20011010191322.A4724@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A395@NETIVITY-FS> <20011010171804.D4312@cicely20.cicely.de> <20011010092128.A22270@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011010092128.A22270@panzer.kdm.org>; from ken@kdm.org on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:21:28AM -0600 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 09:21:28AM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 17:18:05 +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > > Can you please check with "kldstat -v | grep ' sa'" if the kernel really > > has scsi tape support. > > It should look similar like this: > > > > ticso@cicely5# kldstat -v | grep ' sa' > > 8 sa > > ticso@cicely5# > > # kldstat -v |grep ' sa' > # > > That's on a machine that has the sa(4) driver compiled into the kernel. On my machine too. kldstat -v lists it as part of kernel.ko. But my box is running -current, which will make the difference. Sorry - you are right for -stable. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Oct 10 10:49:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C31937B403 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AHxtY01350; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110101759.f9AHxtY01350@mass.dis.org> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Bernd Walter , Enriko Groen , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org'" , msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: sa0 not mounted? In-Reply-To: Message from "Kenneth D. Merry" of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:21:28 MDT." <20011010092128.A22270@panzer.kdm.org> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > # kldstat -v |grep ' sa' > # > > That's on a machine that has the sa(4) driver compiled into the kernel. > > If he's got it compiled into the kernel (as opposed to loading cam as a > module), 'nm /kernel |grep samount' would probably work better. You should probably leave the module goo in place even when compiling statically; that'll make it harder to accidentally double-load the module. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 8:37:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from droid.nosc.mil (droid.nosc.mil [128.49.4.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F224F37B50F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huckabeec (sc033ws195.chs.spawar.navy.mil [198.253.33.195]) by droid.nosc.mil (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9BFbae11905 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00d201c1526a$a6ad22a0$90b411ac@huckabeec> From: "Craig Huckabee" To: Subject: Fw: One more time : 4.4 Install hangs on RAID controller Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:37:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forwarded from -stable per recommendations of others. Any help is appreciated. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Huckabee" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: One more time : 4.4 Install hangs on RAID controller > > I'm still stuck on this. Nothing I have tried seems to help, the controller > works fine under NT so it doesn't seem to be hardware related. Any help is > appreciated, I'm willing to spend the time and (if I can get approval) the > money to fix this. > > Thanks, > Craig > > > > > > I'm attempting to install FreeBSD-stable on a Micron NetFRAME 3100 - it is > a > > dual Pentium II with an AMI MegaRAID Express controller. Looking at the > > sources for the amr driver, this card (Series 762) appears to be > supported. > > > > However, while booting from the install CD, the controller is detected > > properly but the boot process stops once the logical disk is reported. An > > install without the RAID controller works fine. > > > > So, are only specific firmware versions of this controller supported ? Is > > there some option on the controller I need to adjust ? > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Craig > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 11:33:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61D7437B409 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29476 invoked by alias); 11 Oct 2001 18:33:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 29469 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 18:33:17 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 18:33:17 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA20956; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:33:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:33:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I wonder is that possible to configure disks from both channels to work in one array in Adaptec 3210S? Also, how many discs can I put to a channel and avoid decreasing performance? I think, if modern disk is able to transfer 30 Mb/s only 5 disks can be put to one channel, so 10 disks is practical limit for 2-channel Ultra160 controller. But it is only an idea, what does follow from the experience? Also, I guess there are no SCSI 320 RAID controllers? Thanks, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 11:40:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E91037B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20009; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07914; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19773; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9BIZw600413; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:35:58 -0600 From: Scott Long To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? Message-ID: <20011011123557.A406@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:33:15PM +0200, Alexey Koptsevich wrote: > > Hello, > > I wonder is that possible to configure disks from both channels to > work in one array in Adaptec 3210S? Yes it is. You cannot, however, create and array that spans multiple adapters. > Also, how many discs can I put to a channel and avoid decreasing > performance? I think, if modern disk is able to transfer 30 Mb/s only 5 > disks can be put to one channel, so 10 disks is practical limit for > 2-channel Ultra160 controller. But it is only an idea, what does follow > from the experience? It follows the law of dimishing returns. Every disk that you add will increase performance my a lower factor than the previous. You also have to remember that performace is also based on the PCI bus and the CPU on the controller. If the card is only in a PCI 33MHz/32Bit slot, you can only get 132MB/s max (actually much less than that in real life). > Also, I guess there are no SCSI 320 RAID controllers? Coming soon.... Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 11:45: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C31637B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mkc-65-30-96-67.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.30.96.67) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 18:44:59 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3BC5E8AB.1050400@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:44:59 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org man vinum Also, I wouldn't actually run 5 disks, as that can saturate the bus or come damn close if all drives are transferring, 4 would be reasonable. This pretty much depends on your usage though. If you are doing lots of random seeks and few sustained transfers, then you can run many more disks than four or five. Assuming large sustained transfers, assume one drive less than the bandwidth would suggest you can to avoid bus saturation. This is my rule of thumb, and I'm sure others will give you theirs. Alexey Koptsevich wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder is that possible to configure disks from both channels to > work in one array in Adaptec 3210S? > > Also, how many discs can I put to a channel and avoid decreasing > performance? I think, if modern disk is able to transfer 30 Mb/s only 5 > disks can be put to one channel, so 10 disks is practical limit for > 2-channel Ultra160 controller. But it is only an idea, what does follow > from the experience? > > Also, I guess there are no SCSI 320 RAID controllers? > > Thanks, > Alex > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > > jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! ----------------------------------------------------- POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ----------------------------------------------------- "Religious fundamentalism is the biggest threat to international security that exists today." 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 12:14:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from spiral.inspiral.net (spiral.inspiral.net [194.204.49.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C116537B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by spiral.inspiral.net (8.11.5/8.11.5) id f9BJEqp68367 for scsi@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:14:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mauri@spiral.inspiral.net) Received: from localhost (mauri@localhost) by spiral.inspiral.net (8.11.5/8.11.5av) with ESMTP id f9BJElm68358 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:14:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mauri@spiral.inspiral.net) X-Authentication-Warning: spiral.inspiral.net: mauri owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:14:47 +0200 (EET) From: Lauri Laupmaa To: Subject: HP Netserver LC & 4.4-RELEASE install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I'm trying to install 4.4-REL on a old, but otherwise nice HP LC series netserver. It has embedded aic7770 controller. The kernel does not find any scsi controllers and of course disks. Is there something changed regarding aic777x and 4.4 ? I have about 3 boxes running with aic777x controllers (also EISA) and they're running fine. I haven't installed 4.4 on them though, upgraded via make world. Where should I start looking at ? btw. kernel finds eisa0 and reports correctly mainboard name so it seems to be able to talk to EISA bus. TIA Lauri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 13: 7: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA23437B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f9BK6tY99542; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200110112006.f9BK6tY99542@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HP Netserver LC & 4.4-RELEASE install In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:14:47 +0200." Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:06:55 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Hi > >I'm trying to install 4.4-REL on a old, but otherwise nice HP LC series >netserver. It has embedded aic7770 controller. The kernel does not find >any scsi controllers and of course disks. > >Is there something changed regarding aic777x and 4.4 ? IIRC, these on-board controllers are at fairly high slot numbers. By default, FreeBSD only probes up to slot 10. You can increase this with a kernel config option: options EISA_SLOTS=16 -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 14: 9:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A909B37B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1138 invoked by alias); 11 Oct 2001 21:09:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1127 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2001 21:09:52 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 11 Oct 2001 21:09:52 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id XAA21830; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:09:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:09:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: Scott Long Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? In-Reply-To: <20011011123557.A406@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yes it is. You cannot, however, create and array that spans multiple > adapters. That would be too much! :) > It follows the law of dimishing returns. Every disk that you add will > increase performance my a lower factor than the previous. You also > have to remember that performace is also based on the PCI bus and > the CPU on the controller. If the card is only in a PCI 33MHz/32Bit > slot, you can only get 132MB/s max (actually much less than that in > real life). And what is the throughput of 66MHz/32bit PCI on my Intel L440GX+ motherboard? > > Also, I guess there are no SCSI 320 RAID controllers? > > Coming soon.... Are there some announcements? Thanks, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 14:18:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594DB37B403 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f9BLGYY01854; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200110112116.f9BLGYY01854@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: Scott Long , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:09:49 +0200." Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:16:34 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> It follows the law of dimishing returns. Every disk that you add will >> increase performance my a lower factor than the previous. You also >> have to remember that performace is also based on the PCI bus and >> the CPU on the controller. If the card is only in a PCI 33MHz/32Bit >> slot, you can only get 132MB/s max (actually much less than that in >> real life). > >And what is the throughput of 66MHz/32bit PCI on my Intel L440GX+ >motherboard? Supposedly the bridge used to get you those 66MHz slots has some very poor performance characteristics. You'd be better off using the 33MHz slots on your machine. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Oct 11 23:51:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4D537B406 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id f9C0xLZ57024 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:59:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chris@aims.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:58:21 +1100 Reply-To: From: "Chris Knight" To: Subject: RE: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:58:20 +1100 Message-ID: <00d601c152b8$fcf04770$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200110112116.f9BLGYY01854@aslan.scsiguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal X-Return-Path: chris@aims.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Justin T. Gibbs > Sent: Friday, 12 October 2001 8:17 > To: Alexey Koptsevich > Cc: Scott Long; scsi@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: one array from both channels in Adaptec 3210S? > > [snip] > > > >And what is the throughput of 66MHz/32bit PCI on my Intel L440GX+ > >motherboard? > > Supposedly the bridge used to get you those 66MHz slots has some > very poor performance characteristics. You'd be better off using > the 33MHz slots on your machine. > The 66MHz slots suck when you use 33MHz PCI cards. Performance is OK when you use 66MHz/32bit PCI cards. Finding a 66MHz/32bit PCI card is another matter though... > -- > Justin > Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator AIMS Independent Computer Professionals Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.aims.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 0:20:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5AB37B401 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA09332 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:20:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9C7H8634492; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200110120717.f9C7H8634492@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <200110112006.f9BK6tY99542@aslan.scsiguy.com> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: HP Netserver LC & 4.4-RELEASE install X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.scsi To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: > IIRC, these on-board controllers are at fairly high slot numbers. > By default, FreeBSD only probes up to slot 10. You can increase this > with a kernel config option: > > options EISA_SLOTS=16 Since this doesn't help much when you're going to install onto that controller, i once introduced a userconfig option to bump this number. Just a moment... eisa 16 would be my guess. This is only available from the command-line userconfig, /not/ from the visual one! -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 6:21:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mail.comtrade.ee (mail.comtrade.ee [212.47.211.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8177237B403 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inspiral.net (pc151.sldb.comtrade.ee [212.47.222.151]) by mail.comtrade.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD5E2EFE0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:21:34 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3BC6DFA7.9CA741E1@inspiral.net> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:18:48 +0300 From: Lauri Laupmaa X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Netserver LC & 4.4-RELEASE install References: <200110112006.f9BK6tY99542@aslan.scsiguy.com> <200110120717.f9C7H8634492@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joerg Wunsch wrote: > Since this doesn't help much when you're going to install onto that > controller, i once introduced a userconfig option to bump this number. > Just a moment... > > eisa 16 That option did the trick, thanx! -- L. ____________ www.minut.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 15:41:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ED9737B40A for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15612 invoked by alias); 12 Oct 2001 22:41:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15602 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2001 22:41:09 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 12 Oct 2001 22:41:09 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA25484; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: Scott Long Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput In-Reply-To: <20011011123557.A406@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > > Also, how many discs can I put to a channel and avoid decreasing > > performance? I think, if modern disk is able to transfer 30 Mb/s only 5 > > disks can be put to one channel, so 10 disks is practical limit for > > 2-channel Ultra160 controller. But it is only an idea, what does follow > > from the experience? > > It follows the law of dimishing returns. Every disk that you add will > increase performance my a lower factor than the previous. You also > have to remember that performace is also based on the PCI bus and > the CPU on the controller. If the card is only in a PCI 33MHz/32Bit > slot, you can only get 132MB/s max (actually much less than that in > real life). Since the bus is real bottleneck, I wonder what is the purpose to have 4-channel RAID controllers, in principle? Just to connect many discs? I mean, 4-channel controller gives 160*4=640Mb/s, but this cannot be driven even by 64bit/66MHz bus which provides only 528Mb/s! Also, are there x86 motherboards which provide those 64bit/66MHz? I also wonder what is real performance of 3210S in RAID5 mode? Are 4-5 disks which saturate 160Mb/s on SCSI bus (assume that load is heavy) are able to saturate those 132Mb/s on PCI bus after performing all XOR calculations? If not, how many discs saturate 132Mb/s? And, as a conclusion from previous question, is there real purpose to have 2-channel controller on 32bit/33MHz PCI (which is used on my Intel L440GX, assuming its 66MHz PCI to be weak), using it in RAID5 mode? Thanks a lot, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 15:54:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29BA37B405 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9CN1jk04719; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110122301.f9CN1jk04719@mass.dis.org> To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: Scott Long , scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput In-Reply-To: Message from Alexey Koptsevich of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:37:09 +0200." Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:01:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Since the bus is real bottleneck, I wonder what is the purpose to have > 4-channel RAID controllers, in principle? Just to connect many discs? I > mean, 4-channel controller gives 160*4=640Mb/s, but this cannot be driven > even by 64bit/66MHz bus which provides only 528Mb/s! Also, are there x86 > motherboards which provide those 64bit/66MHz? You are making a fundamental and common mistake about the purpose of RAID controllers. You need to step back and think a little more broadly to see the answers to your questions. They are not, generally, designed to provide "improved" performance. Most of the performance-enhancing features of a RAID controller are there to compensate for the fact that the RAID process has overheads, or to take advantage of the fact that with lots of disks you can degrade more gracefully under heavy load. > I also wonder what is real performance of 3210S in RAID5 mode? Are 4-5 > disks which saturate 160Mb/s on SCSI bus (assume that load is heavy) are > able to saturate those 132Mb/s on PCI bus after performing all XOR > calculations? If not, how many discs saturate 132Mb/s? Under "heavy load" disks are largely busy with seek operations. "Heavy" sustained sequential I/O is relatively rare. > And, as a conclusion from previous question, is there real purpose to have > 2-channel controller on 32bit/33MHz PCI (which is used on my Intel > L440GX, assuming its 66MHz PCI to be weak), using it in RAID5 mode? RAID5 is relatively fragile, and two SCSI channels mostly just allows you to balance channel load, cabling load and plain, boring cabling issues around. If you are looking for reliability, one use for a dual-channel RAID controller is to mirror across channels, ie. use a RAID10 or RAID50 setup with disks split across the two channels such that losing an entire channel (eg. due to cable failure, someone unplugging, power supply failure etc.) you don't actually lose the volume. Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 16: 0:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF9637B410 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28652; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21743; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28347; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9CMu3h36115; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:56:03 -0600 From: Scott Long To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput Message-ID: <20011012165603.D469@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> References: <20011011123557.A406@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 13, 2001 at 12:37:09AM +0200, Alexey Koptsevich wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Also, how many discs can I put to a channel and avoid decreasing > > > performance? I think, if modern disk is able to transfer 30 Mb/s only 5 > > > disks can be put to one channel, so 10 disks is practical limit for > > > 2-channel Ultra160 controller. But it is only an idea, what does follow > > > from the experience? > > > > It follows the law of dimishing returns. Every disk that you add will > > increase performance my a lower factor than the previous. You also > > have to remember that performace is also based on the PCI bus and > > the CPU on the controller. If the card is only in a PCI 33MHz/32Bit > > slot, you can only get 132MB/s max (actually much less than that in > > real life). > > Since the bus is real bottleneck, I wonder what is the purpose to have > 4-channel RAID controllers, in principle? Just to connect many discs? I > mean, 4-channel controller gives 160*4=640Mb/s, but this cannot be driven > even by 64bit/66MHz bus which provides only 528Mb/s! Also, are there x86 > motherboards which provide those 64bit/66MHz? Yes, but they are more in the high-end scale and not found in very many white boxes. With 4 channels, you can create one huge array, or a whole bunch of small arrays. No, you won't be able to run at the aggregate spindle speed, but that is not the only factor that is considered important by some people. > > I also wonder what is real performance of 3210S in RAID5 mode? Are 4-5 > disks which saturate 160Mb/s on SCSI bus (assume that load is heavy) are > able to saturate those 132Mb/s on PCI bus after performing all XOR > calculations? If not, how many discs saturate 132Mb/s? RAID5 read performance will be almost identical to RAID0 read performance. Write performace will be considerably less because it involves more than just writing to one disk; if you are writing a piece of data that is less than the size of a full stripe, you will also have to read the parity disk, compute the parity, and then write out the data plus the parity. It is the price that is paid with RAID5. Also, for a 3210 card, I would contact your vendor and make sure that you have the latest firmwware. > And, as a conclusion from previous question, is there real purpose to have > 2-channel controller on 32bit/33MHz PCI (which is used on my Intel > L440GX, assuming its 66MHz PCI to be weak), using it in RAID5 mode? Two channels are great for mirrored arrays (RAID1 or RAID 0/1). You separate each side of the mirror on a different channel, and the controller can write the data in true parallel. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 16:30:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2F637B407 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9CNbUk05018; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110122337.f9CNbUk05018@mass.dis.org> To: Scott Long Cc: Alexey Koptsevich , scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Long of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:56:03 MDT." <20011012165603.D469@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:37:30 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > RAID5 read performance will be almost identical to RAID0 read performance. > Write performace will be considerably less because it involves more than > just writing to one disk; if you are writing a piece of data that is less > than the size of a full stripe, you will also have to read the parity > disk, compute the parity, and then write out the data plus the parity. This is (often but not always) correct, but misleading. RAID5 parity is typically byte-parallel, ie. if you have N disks and you are writing one byte, you only actually *need* to read N-1 bytes (one from each of the disks to which you are not writing) to compute the parity, and write 2 bytes. The read/write stripe size issue arises from the way that internal caching is often handled; many adapters will only *ever* do I/O in terms of a stripe-sized block. This is feature of the adapter, not a RAID5 requirement. Some adapters don't behave like this; eg. Mylex use a tunable cache line size which is always an integral fraction of the stripe size and do all their I/Os in terms of multiples of the cache line size (typically 8k). Again, for an write of size X on N disks, you need to do at most N-1 reads of size X, and two writes of size X. This still bites, of course, and it's why stripe size is still an important factor. HTH Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 16:54:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E4C37B407; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f9CNrIr26766; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:53:18 -0700 From: David Greenman To: Mike Smith Cc: Scott Long , Alexey Koptsevich , scsi@freebsd.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput Message-ID: <20011012165318.C18001@nexus.root.com> References: <200110122337.f9CNbUk05018@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200110122337.f9CNbUk05018@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 04:37:30PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >> RAID5 read performance will be almost identical to RAID0 read performance. >> Write performace will be considerably less because it involves more than >> just writing to one disk; if you are writing a piece of data that is less >> than the size of a full stripe, you will also have to read the parity >> disk, compute the parity, and then write out the data plus the parity. > >This is (often but not always) correct, but misleading. > >RAID5 parity is typically byte-parallel, ie. if you have N disks and >you are writing one byte, you only actually *need* to read N-1 bytes >(one from each of the disks to which you are not writing) to compute >the parity, and write 2 bytes. You only need to do two reads, one from the disk you are updating and one from the disk that has the parity. When you XOR the old data from the parity data, you've removed it and can XOR in the new data. Two reads, two writes. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 16:54:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200937B401; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f9CNscY23560; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200110122354.f9CNscY23560@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: Mike Smith Cc: Scott Long , Alexey Koptsevich , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:37:30 PDT." <200110122337.f9CNbUk05018@mass.dis.org> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:54:38 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >> RAID5 read performance will be almost identical to RAID0 read performance. >> Write performace will be considerably less because it involves more than >> just writing to one disk; if you are writing a piece of data that is less >> than the size of a full stripe, you will also have to read the parity >> disk, compute the parity, and then write out the data plus the parity. > >This is (often but not always) correct, but misleading. > >RAID5 parity is typically byte-parallel, ie. if you have N disks and >you are writing one byte, you only actually *need* to read N-1 bytes >(one from each of the disks to which you are not writing) to compute >the parity, and write 2 bytes. For small writes, you read the blocks you are about to overwrite and the old parity block, XOR the old data into the parity data, XOR the new data into the parity, and finally write both the parity and the new data out. In otherwords, you need only read from the parity disk and those disks in the stripe that will be modified. Of course, if the number of disks to be modified is greater than the disks left unmodified, it is an optimization to just fully recalculate the parity by reading only from the unmodified members as you show above. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 17:45:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF19237B403 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9D0rNk05668; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110130053.f9D0rNk05668@mass.dis.org> To: David Greenman Cc: Alexey Koptsevich , scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput In-Reply-To: Message from David Greenman of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:53:18 PDT." <20011012165318.C18001@nexus.root.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:53:23 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You only need to do two reads, one from the disk you are updating and one > from the disk that has the parity. When you XOR the old data from the parity > data, you've removed it and can XOR in the new data. Two reads, two writes. Blah. I knew my numbers looked wrong, but I was busy trying to make the other point (you don't have to read the stripe) and instead made a fool of myself. Oh well. I only write device drivers anyway. 8) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Oct 12 20:40:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7B037B40D; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11750; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05655; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29351; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9D3ZgC00486; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:35:41 -0600 From: Scott Long To: Mike Smith Cc: David Greenman , Alexey Koptsevich , scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 3210S: RAID5 performance and bus throughput Message-ID: <20011012213541.B464@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> References: <20011012165318.C18001@nexus.root.com> <200110130053.f9D0rNk05668@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200110130053.f9D0rNk05668@mass.dis.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 05:53:23PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > You only need to do two reads, one from the disk you are updating and one > > from the disk that has the parity. When you XOR the old data from the parity > > data, you've removed it and can XOR in the new data. Two reads, two writes. > > Blah. I knew my numbers looked wrong, but I was busy trying to make the > other point (you don't have to read the stripe) and instead made a fool > of myself. I wasn't very clear in my original explaination, but I meant what David and Justin said. Anyways, the point is that RADI5 writes are slow no matter how you look at it, requiring a minimum of 4 disk operations for every case that I can think of except one (write a full stripe to a 3 disk set only requires 3 operations) To get back to the original point, some cards are inherently faster than others. I don't know of any cards on the market right now that can saturate a 64/66 PCI bus, and most can't saturate a 64/33 bus. I'm not in the position to preach the pros and cons of a 3210S in public; you'll have to research that yourself. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 2:39:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51D5F37B40A for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 02:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21631 invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2001 09:39:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 21624 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 09:39:32 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 09:39:32 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA26511; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:35:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:35:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Mylex 352: one array for 2 channels; shared spare In-Reply-To: <20011011123557.A406@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > > I wonder is that possible to configure disks from both channels to > > work in one array in Adaptec 3210S? > > Yes it is. You cannot, however, create and array that spans multiple > adapters. Can I do it with Mylex 352? Also, if I have two arrays on one controller, say, one equipped with 36Gb discs and one -- with 72Gb discs, can I configure the same 72Gb as hot spare disc for both arrays (on Adaptec 3210 and Mylex 352)? Thanks, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 3:21:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31EF237B405 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 03:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21831 invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2001 10:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21824 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 10:21:53 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 10:21:53 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA26663; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:17:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:17:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: management software for mly(4) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Is the above software expected? Thanks, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 6:31:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2715437B40C for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 06:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20492 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Oct 2001 13:27:32 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Unrecovered read error and corresponding ASC From: sthaug@nethelp.no X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:27:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20490.1002979652@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anybody tell me what the following ASC means? Oct 11 05:37:04 s1 /kernel: (da3:ahc2:0:5:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 2 6 e0 10 0 0 50 0 Oct 11 05:37:04 s1 /kernel: (da3:ahc2:0:5:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:206e016 asc:11,b Oct 11 05:37:04 s1 /kernel: (da3:ahc2:0:5:0): Unrecovered read error - recommend reassignment sks:80,2d Oct 11 05:37:04 s1 /kernel: vinum: v0.p0.s1 is crashed by force Oct 11 05:37:04 s1 /kernel: vinum: v0.p0 is corrupt Oct 11 05:37:05 s1 /kernel: vinum: v0.p0.s1 is stale by force The disk is an IBM DMVS18D: da3 at ahc2 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 da3: 17501MB (35843670 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2231C) da3: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device Assuming it simply means I have a bad block, what's the easiest way to force a reassignment of the block? The OS is 3.4-RELEASE. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 13:16:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E83337B401 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9DKMvk18829; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110132022.f9DKMvk18829@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mylex 352: one array for 2 channels; shared spare In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:35:33 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:22:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Yes it is. You cannot, however, create and array that spans multiple > > adapters. > > Can I do it with Mylex 352? Not without using a volume manager like CCD or Vinum. > Also, if I have two arrays on one controller, say, one equipped with 36Gb > discs and one -- with 72Gb discs, can I configure the same 72Gb as hot > spare disc for both arrays (on Adaptec 3210 and Mylex 352)? Yes, you can. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 13:16:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7C137B401 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9DKNok18842; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110132023.f9DKNok18842@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Alexey Koptsevich Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: management software for mly(4) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:17:56 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:23:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hello, > > Is the above software expected? Not unless someone volunteers to write it, or unless something drastic changes with my circumstances in the near future. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Oct 13 13:29:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from as.astro.su.se (as.astro.su.se [130.237.166.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1A5737B412 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24841 invoked by alias); 13 Oct 2001 20:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 24831 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2001 20:29:23 -0000 Received: from dioscuri.astro.su.se (130.237.166.114) by as.astro.su.se with SMTP; 13 Oct 2001 20:29:23 -0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by dioscuri.astro.su.se (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA28036; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexey Koptsevich To: Mike Smith Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mylex 352: one array for 2 channels; shared spare In-Reply-To: <200110132022.f9DKMvk18829@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, > > > Yes it is. You cannot, however, create and array that spans multiple > > > adapters. > > > > Can I do it with Mylex 352? > > Not without using a volume manager like CCD or Vinum. Sorry, let me specify exactly (my English is far from being perfect): is it right that Adaptec 3210 allows to build arrays that span over both channels of the controller, but Mylex 352 does not allow to do this, i.e. it is unavoidable to have two arrays on 2-channel controller? Thanks a lot, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message