From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 6:51:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2431C37B6DA; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f07EKQw92530; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 06:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Michael C . Wu" , Devin Butterfield , freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StrongARM support? In-Reply-To: Message from "Michael C . Wu" of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:56:58 CST." <20001219125657.A94588@peorth.iteration.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:20:26 -0800 Message-ID: <92527.978877226@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm definitely interested in both StrongARM and PPC. (and so are very > many people) My understanding is that FreeBSD *wants* a FreeBSD/ARM, > but lack the resources/man-power to do so. I'd prefer to see an > official decision on the above by someone (hint hint -core :)) though. I don't think any "official decision" would say anything we in core haven't already said individually and many times over the years. Sure, FreeBSD wants ARM and PPC ports but currently lacks, at least to our knowledge, the man-power to lead and support such a project. You said it yourself. If some motivated individuals out there would like to change that situation, you have our full support! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 8:23:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A54337B400 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from popserver-02.iinet.net.au (popserver-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.148]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14526 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:22:47 +0800 Received: from wskatinka (opera.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.144]) by popserver-02.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA10823 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:22:31 +0800 Message-ID: <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: Subject: Group for porting to other proccessor families Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:22:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all Is their a group of FreeBSD Enthusiasts that are working on porting free to embedded controllers that are not x86 I am in the process of developing a security / access / building management system, and am looking at using free on all my outlying units. I am not interested in using pc104 etc but using processors like the atmel thumb processor, this is a risc based uC capable of handling 64Mb of flash ram for program and working ram. why do I want an OS for an industrial app, simple some units may be standalone and need dialling into, building units will probably be TCP/IP. Any help will be appreciated. Kathy Quinlan. K.A.Q. Electronics Perth Western Australia 0419 923 731 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 8:40: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fdy2.demon.co.uk (fdy2.demon.co.uk [194.222.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1363837B400 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by fdy2.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00761; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:35:03 GMT (envelope-from rjs) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:35:03 GMT Message-Id: <200101071635.QAA00761@fdy2.demon.co.uk> From: Robert Swindells To: katinka@magestower.com Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> (katinka@magestower.com) Subject: Re: Group for porting to other proccessor families Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kathy Quinlan" wrote: >Is their a group of FreeBSD Enthusiasts that are working on porting free to >embedded controllers that are not x86 I am in the process of developing a >security / access / building management system, and am looking at using free >on all my outlying units. I am not interested in using pc104 etc but using >processors like the atmel thumb processor, this is a risc based uC capable >of handling 64Mb of flash ram for program and working ram. why do I want an >OS for an industrial app, simple some units may be standalone and need >dialling into, building units will probably be TCP/IP. I don't think that the Atmel ARM chips have a MMU. The cheapest ARM CPUs that could run *BSD are the Cirrus Logic and Link-Up Systems ones. You might want to take a look at running something like eCos instead. Robert Swindells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 13:56:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from db.wireless.net (adsl-gte-la-216-86-194-70.mminternet.com [216.86.194.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3DE37B698 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16070; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Message-ID: <3A58E5D6.4A301727@wireless.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:55:34 -0800 From: Devin Butterfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathy Quinlan , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Group for porting to other proccessor families References: <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kathy Quinlan wrote: > > Hi all > > Is their a group of FreeBSD Enthusiasts that are working on porting free to > embedded controllers that are not x86 I am in the process of developing a > security / access / building management system, and am looking at using free > on all my outlying units. I am not interested in using pc104 etc but using > processors like the atmel thumb processor, this is a risc based uC capable > of handling 64Mb of flash ram for program and working ram. why do I want an > OS for an industrial app, simple some units may be standalone and need > dialling into, building units will probably be TCP/IP. Well, there has recently been some expressed interest in porting FreeBSD to the StrongARM processor, but to my knowledge, there hasn't been any real progress made yet. If you really want to use FreeBSD, you're probably stuck with using pc104, etc. There are some really nice and very small boards available (like those available from Advantech) with support for compact flash and ethernet. People have reported good success with these devices. If you need to use an alternative processor and you need something that is working now, I would recommend looking into the possibility of using NetBSD. -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 14:13: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from amleth.demon.co.uk (amleth.demon.co.uk [158.152.198.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B2D437B402 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:03:04 GMT From: PEB@amleth.demon.co.uk (Paul E. Bennett) Reply-To: peb@amleth.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <5019@amleth.demon.co.uk> To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Subscription and Archive X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am new to the FreeBSD world and have a new blank laptop on which I am aiming to place FreeBSD. However, I have enjoyed some playing with the FICL boot-loader that is part of the PicoBSD floppy disk I obtained from the web-site. I emailed Andrzej and he advised... In message Andrzej Bialecki writes: > Ehm.. This particular version is rather for showing off the Forth > capabilities of the bootloader, and not to provide very useful Unix > system.. Also, all versions on the Web site are very old - I resigned from > maintaining them, and most of the support is available through > freebsd-small@freebsd.org mailing list. [%X] > I'd suggest reading the archives of freebsd-small. Therefore I would appreciate joining in with the discussions here and obtaining pointers to some of the archives. For the record, the new laptop is:- Dell Inspiron 3800 128Mb memory (DIMM) 12Gb HDD 2 PCMCIA slots IrDa port Comms Port USB port CD-ROM FDD (on printer port) ECP/EPP/Printer port Extension bus. Trackpad mouse+ I plan to use a Silicom SEM33 Ethermodem module in the PCMICIA for network and phone communications facilities. -- ******************************************************************** Paul E. Bennett .................... Forth based HIDECS Consultancy ..... Mob: +44 (0)7811-639972 .........NOW AVAILABLE:- HIDECS COURSE...... Tel: +44 (0)1235-814586 .... see http://www.feabhas.com for details. Going Forth Safely ..... EBA. www.electric-boat-association.org.uk.. ******************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 7 15:51:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEAB37B400; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E76C6A913; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:21:34 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:21:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Kathy Quinlan , Robert Swindells , Devin Butterfield Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: StrongARM support? (was also: Group for porting to other proccessor families) Message-ID: <20010108102134.E83353@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <3A58E5D6.4A301727@wireless.net> <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <200101071635.QAA00761@fdy2.demon.co.uk> <00c701c078c6$005804c0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <92527.978877226@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <92527.978877226@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 06:20:26AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 8 January 2001 at 0:22:01 +0800, Kathy Quinlan wrote: > Hi all > > Is their a group of FreeBSD Enthusiasts that are working on porting > free to embedded controllers that are not x86 I am in the process of > developing a security / access / building management system, and am > looking at using free on all my outlying units. I am not interested > in using pc104 etc but using processors like the atmel thumb > processor, this is a risc based uC capable of handling 64Mb of flash > ram for program and working ram. why do I want an OS for an > industrial app, simple some units may be standalone and need > dialling into, building units will probably be TCP/IP. If I understand correctly, this is an ARM architecture. Almost the same time you wrote that, this message was sent to -hackers: On Sunday, 7 January 2001 at 6:20:26 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > [missing attribution to Michael C. Wu] >> I'm definitely interested in both StrongARM and PPC. (and so are very >> many people) My understanding is that FreeBSD *wants* a FreeBSD/ARM, >> but lack the resources/man-power to do so. I'd prefer to see an >> official decision on the above by someone (hint hint -core :)) though. > > I don't think any "official decision" would say anything we in core > haven't already said individually and many times over the years. > Sure, FreeBSD wants ARM and PPC ports but currently lacks, at least to > our knowledge, the man-power to lead and support such a project. You > said it yourself. If some motivated individuals out there would > like to change that situation, you have our full support! Porting to ARM isn't going to be trivial, but the obvious first step is to get interested people together. Note that we've had a SPARC porting effort languishing out there for years now. If ARM is to do better, it will need significant support. Jordan's response above was made without his -core hat on. If people want a response from -core (which I suspect will probably be very similar), they should send mail to -core asking for it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jan 8 15: 1:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2337B6A2 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f08Mx6G49653; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5019@amleth.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: peb@amleth.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: Subscription and Archive Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-01 Paul E. Bennett wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to the FreeBSD world and have a new blank laptop on which I am > aiming to place FreeBSD. However, I have enjoyed some playing with the > FICL boot-loader that is part of the PicoBSD floppy disk I obtained from > the web-site. I emailed Andrzej and he advised... If you want to talk about running FreeBSD on your laptop, the right list to ask about is on freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, which is where all the laptop users hang out, more or less. > Therefore I would appreciate joining in with the discussions here and > obtaining pointers to some of the archives. If you want to talk about picoBSD and running FreeBSD on smaller environments and footprints, then this is the list for that. The archives can be found on the website. (http://docs.FreeBSD.org, IIRC) > For the record, the new laptop is:- > > Dell Inspiron 3800 > 128Mb memory (DIMM) > 12Gb HDD > 2 PCMCIA slots > IrDa port > Comms Port > USB port > CD-ROM > FDD (on printer port) > ECP/EPP/Printer port > Extension bus. > Trackpad mouse+ > > I plan to use a Silicom SEM33 Ethermodem module in the PCMICIA for > network and phone communications facilities. FWIW, I run -current on my 5000e Inspiron. The pccard stuff should work fine, though I'm not sure if your card will work or not. The IrDa won't work. USB/CD-ROM, should work fine. Not sure about the floppy (mine is not removable). The touchpad works fine as a PS/2 mouse. Sound should work fine. In fact, in current the volume buttons even work now. :) X 4.0.2 should run fine if it is an ATI Rage128 Mobility graphics adapter. APM might not work. On the 5000e the APM BIOS is busted and doesn't work, however in -current the ACPI stuff mostly works. At least, suspend/resume on lid close and sleep button, and the power button does an automatic shutdown -p now. And shutdown -p works fine with ACPI. Cardbus doesn't work under -current for my 5000e at least due to resource allocation problems. However, YMMV, and -mobile is the list to ask on. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 10 14:11:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E1837B6A0 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0AMBBS48285 for small@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200101102211.f0AMBBS48285@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: sash as a shell replacement ? To: small@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, i have been trying to use "sash" as a replacement for "sh" and other utilities, but it seems problematic. Basically, sash does not handle things like sh some_script_name [ arguments ] nor can be invoked with a different name to implement one of the embedded commands. Does anyone else have a better experience, or can suggest some patches ? cheers luigi ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . ACIRI/ICSI (on leave from Univ. di Pisa) http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . 1947 Center St, Berkeley CA 94704 Phone: (510) 666 2927 ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 10 15:18:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (unknown [213.162.128.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A14337B69D for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id C73A92DC0E; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E38AA7817; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:15:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E181E10E1B; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:15:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:15:09 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sash as a shell replacement ? In-Reply-To: <200101102211.f0AMBBS48285@iguana.aciri.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > hi, > i have been trying to use "sash" as a replacement for "sh" > and other utilities, but it seems problematic. Basically, > sash does not handle things like > > sh some_script_name [ arguments ] > > nor can be invoked with a different name to implement one of > the embedded commands. Does anyone else have a better experience, > or can suggest some patches ? sash has very poor shell functionality. I would suggest using Minix sh which is very Bourne-like, and is also very small. BTW. if someone has the time and inclination to make a couple of ports for useful small Minix programs, I can provide the patches to make them run under FreeBSD. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 10 15:52:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3566037B6A3 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0ANqbI56681; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200101102352.f0ANqbI56681@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: Re: sash as a shell replacement ? In-Reply-To: from Andrzej Bialecki at "Jan 11, 2001 0:15: 9 am" To: abial@webgiro.com (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: rizzo@aciri.org, small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > sash has very poor shell functionality. I would suggest using Minix sh > which is very Bourne-like, and is also very small. what kind of licensing does it have ? I was about to go for a different approach, namely use the standard sh as a shell, and a slightly modified 'sash' for a bunch of commands such as more, grep etc. cheers luigi > BTW. if someone has the time and inclination to make a couple of ports for > useful small Minix programs, I can provide the patches to make them run > under FreeBSD. > > Andrzej Bialecki > > // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) > // ------------------------------------------------------------------- > // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- > // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 11 3:28:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (unknown [213.162.128.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BB037B401 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 9E92B2DC0F; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:32:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 412637817; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:28:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD7110E1B; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:28:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:28:38 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sash as a shell replacement ? In-Reply-To: <200101102352.f0ANqbI56681@iguana.aciri.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > sash has very poor shell functionality. I would suggest using Minix sh > > which is very Bourne-like, and is also very small. > > what kind of licensing does it have ? I was about to go BSD. The whole Minix was recently (October?) put under BSD license. > for a different approach, namely use the standard sh as > a shell, and a slightly modified 'sash' for a bunch of commands > such as more, grep etc. That's basically the same approach, except that Minix sh is already much much smaller. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 11 3:44:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mach4.polbox.pl (mach4.polbox.pl [213.241.6.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E0337B400 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from zygi (pf199.warszawa.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.57.199]) by mach4.polbox.pl (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f0BBhXS27911 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:43:34 GMT Message-ID: <000801c07bc3$cdeeeac0$0a01a8c0@rnq.pl> From: "Zygmunt J. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07BCC.2B5046C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 11 7: 9:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web5104.mail.yahoo.com (web5104.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F18237B400 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:09:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010111150900.15354.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.61.155.10] by web5104.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:09:00 EST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:09:00 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Jansen?= Subject: picobsd 0.41 firewall router capabilities? To: small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I've got a few PicoBSD machiens sitting around in various places providing dial up and nat functionality for some small office LANs. I'm using a command line like: ppp -ddial -alias dialup to provide the PPP link and NAT tot eh internet for users behind the Pico box. A question I have is is there a way to redirect hits coming into the external interface (PPP) on a specific port to a machine on the internal network(ie: webserver)? Is this possible using ppp or will I have to user the natd that (I think?) is on the picoBSD net disk. Is this possible? If natd can be used can I just use the current NATd manpage for options or do I have to look at a specific version of the page? Finally, is there another option to using a picobsd floppy? I want to get away from using a harddrive if at all possible. A CD-ROM version of Pico or something would be OK. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 11 14:55:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B2A37B401 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0BN1o207059; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200101112301.f0BN1o207059@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Minix and 2.11BSD for small BSD programs/libraries In-Reply-To: <14942.12689.588439.641780@mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au> from Phillip Musumeci at "Jan 12, 2001 09:20:01 am" To: Phillip Musumeci Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:50 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > hi, > > i have been trying to use "sash" as a replacement for "sh" > > and other utilities .. > > or can suggest some patches ? > Then Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > sash has very poor shell functionality. I would suggest using Minix sh > which is very Bourne-like, and is also very small. > > BTW. if someone has the time and inclination to make a couple of ports for > useful small Minix programs, I can provide the patches to make them run > under FreeBSD. > Andrzej Bialecki I just like to agree with Andrzej that some of the applications and libraries in Minix would be suitable for producing a small FreeBSD. I'd also like to suggest 2.11BSD, which at present has most of the functionality of 4.4BSD-Lite, but runs on the 16-bit PDP-11 platform. Some of 2.11BSD is contaminated with AT&T UNIX code (mostly the kernel), but much comes from 4.4BSD-Lite. So the source code from this system might also be useful. The only problem is how to get it. First you need to get a UNIX source license. Easy. Read http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/archive_access.html for details. Then go to http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.11BSD to retrieve the full source code. You can also find an exploded tree of 2.11BSD source code at http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/Archive/PDP-11/Trees/2.11BSD/ I just checked, but the Bourne shell in the 2.11BSD code tree is the _real_ one written by Steve Bourne. Cheers, Warren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jan 12 2:54:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637F237B400 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from esealnt461 (esealnt461.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.251.61]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with SMTP id f0CAsQC01422 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:26 +0100 (MET) Received: FROM esealnt400.al.sw.ericsson.se BY esealnt461 ; Fri Jan 12 11:55:04 2001 +0100 Received: by esealnt400 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:54:26 +0100 Message-ID: <819892EA1700D3118C2E0008C7A40BFB01225A50@esekint104.ki.sw.ericsson.se> From: "Lars Egnell (ERA)" To: "'Andrzej Bialecki'" Cc: "'small@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: sash as a shell replacement ? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:53:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thursday, January 11, 2001 12:15 AM, you wrote in small@freebsd.org > > BTW. if someone has the time and inclination to make a couple > of ports for > useful small Minix programs, I can provide the patches to > make them run > under FreeBSD. > Hi, I've considered porting Minix 'nonamed' ("nonamed is not a nameserver, but acts one on TV") to FreeBSD. I presume it would be useful for the same purposes as a caching-only named. Do you possess any recipes for translation of Minix ioctl calls to BSD sockets? Rgds Lars Egnell egnell@bigfoot.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jan 12 10:11:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FE937B401 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14335 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:13:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:13:16 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Really Cheap PC's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My source for used 486's have dried up and so I'm looking for a cheap cheap solution to run some picobsd stuff. Unfortuantely, this application is EXTREMELY cost sensitive. I need at least the following: 486 (any speed) or better. 16mb ram NO Video/Keyboard Floppy IDE Support, but no actual disk (Will add flashdisk). The price below includes the above items. It also needs to support: 1 10/100 Ethernet (could be in another slot) 1 either PCI Slot or ISA Slot or PCMCIA slot I have gotten the price (sans ethernet/PCI) down around $150, but there HAS to be a way to go even lower somewhere. Anyone else come up with a cheap solution? Has anyone actually built one of the FreeBSD based router-like hardwares yet? - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jan 12 20:53:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C04F137B400 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 33671969 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2001 04:53:00 -0000 Received: from s011.dhcp212-229.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.229.11]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Jan 2001 04:53:00 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0D4qt424801; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:52:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@citeweb.net) To: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au Cc: Phillip Musumeci , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minix and 2.11BSD for small BSD programs/libraries References: <200101112301.f0BN1o207059@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C In-Reply-To: Warren Toomey's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:50 +1100 (EST)" From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: clefevre@poboxes.com Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 13 Jan 2001 05:52:53 +0100 Message-ID: <7l40hx3u.fsf@gits.dyndns.org> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warren Toomey writes: [snip] > Then Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > sash has very poor shell functionality. I would suggest using Minix sh > > which is very Bourne-like, and is also very small. minix provides 2 shells : ash (from some BSD I suppose ?) and sh. compilation takes less than 1/2 an hour w/ small modifications. respectives size are : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 89316 Jan 13 05:31 ash/sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 33816 Jan 13 05:36 sh/sh > > BTW. if someone has the time and inclination to make a couple of ports for > > useful small Minix programs, I can provide the patches to make them run > > under FreeBSD. well. I'm working on AT&T Korn Shell (ast-{ksh,base,open}) right now, but I'll do it this w.e. if you have time to wait :)) > I just like to agree with Andrzej that some of the applications and > libraries in Minix would be suitable for producing a small FreeBSD. do you mean replacing the FreeBSD libc by the Minix one, or something like that ? [snip] > I just checked, but the Bourne shell in the 2.11BSD code tree is the _real_ > one written by Steve Bourne. hue! if this is the one as I remember, the code is really horrible to read :( the syntax is pascal like (w/ macros), I've just checked it out to verify if it was I think. and yes, it is :)) it sucks and would not be simple to compile. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 5:10:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from pop.do4.enjoy.ne.jp (pop.do4.enjoy.ne.jp [202.224.64.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4599A37B401 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from kiwi.my.domain (hsm-ip465.enjoy.ne.jp [210.199.101.165]) by pop.do4.enjoy.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-00110211) with ESMTP id WAA20023 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:10:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200101131310.WAA20023@pop.do4.enjoy.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:10:02 +0900 From: "T.Yamaoka" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: crunchgen with dhcp User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.0.3 (Notorious) SEMI/1.13.4 (Terai) FLIM/1.12.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Y=FEzaki?=) MULE/2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) (based on Emacs 19.34) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.4 - "Terai") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. who can build isc-dhcpd with crunchgen? I want dhcpd on 1FD. ----------------------------------------------------------------- T.Yamaoka taka@windows.squares.net chobitBSD http://home.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/u0682151/floppy/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 5:39:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailcore2.oh.voyager.net (mailcore2.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA94937B400 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from quick (d21.as0.asld.oh.voyager.net [208.4.239.86]) by mailcore2.oh.voyager.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15308 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006501c07d67$45c4c200$56ef04d0@quick> From: "Mark" To: Subject: Dummynet floppy and network cards Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I hope that I got the correct list. Please forgive me for barging in, but I am having a bit of a problem getting any Ethernet cards to work with the picoBSD-Dummynet version. http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ I have 3c509, rtl8139, and ne2000 clones. The only one that is seen is 1 ne2000 and after it is seen it will not work. I must admit that while having been quite successful with Linux I am not getting this BSD. What I think I need to know is what file do I need to edit to get the cards configured into the system? I have even tried the standard picoBSD floppy version and still can not get the NICs to go. http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html (router version) If anyone could lend a hand to a FreeBSD newbe to get this going it would be much appreciated. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 8:13:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4815837B401 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0DGDHR86157; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200101131613.f0DGDHR86157@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: Re: Dummynet floppy and network cards In-Reply-To: <006501c07d67$45c4c200$56ef04d0@quick> from Mark at "Jan 13, 2001 8:46:45 am" To: offworld@richnet.net (Mark) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:13:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I hope that I got the correct list. > > Please forgive me for barging in, but I am having a bit of a problem getting > any Ethernet cards to work with the picoBSD-Dummynet version. > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ > > I have 3c509, rtl8139, and ne2000 clones. The only one that is seen is 1 > ne2000 and after it is seen it will not work. I must admit that while having > been quite successful with Linux I am not getting this BSD. that image should have driver for the ne2000 and 8139 (ed and rl, respectively). probably the driver for the 3com card is not compiled in (lack of space). > What I think I need to know is what file do I need to edit to get the cards /etc/rc.conf should contain all config info cheers luigi > configured into the system? I have even tried the standard picoBSD floppy > version and still can not get the NICs to go. > http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html (router version) > > If anyone could lend a hand to a FreeBSD newbe to get this going it would be > much appreciated. > > Mark > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 12:28:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from onyx.extra.dp.ua (onyx.extra.dp.ua [195.248.182.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFEF37B401 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from white@localhost) by onyx.extra.dp.ua (8.10.0/8.10.0/Who.Cares) id f0DKRwh03378 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:27:58 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:27:58 +0200 From: Alexander Prohorenko To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD build problems Message-ID: <20010113222758.A3015@extra.dp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.9i Organization: Extra Solutions X-Operating-System: SunOS 5.7 i86pc Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello guys. I'm experiencing problems building PicoBSD on 4.2-20001127-STABLE. Everything was just fine on 4.1-STABLE, but something wrong happens now. -> Preparing kernel... (cd /usr/src; make buildkernel KERNEL=PICOBSD-net -DNO_MODULES) [ some scrap skipped ] rm -f .depend mv -f .newdep .depend cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PICOBSD-net; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin MACHINE=i386 make KERNEL=kernel all cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/locore.s /tmp/ccc12583.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccc12583.s:1747: Error: .space specifies non-absolute value /tmp/ccc12583.s:2458: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation setting PTmap /tmp/ccc12583.s:2458: Error: undefined symbol PDRSHIFT in operation setting PTmap /tmp/ccc12583.s:1715: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation [ a lot of error messages comes here ] The kernel builds without any problems, when I'm doing smth like this (the way I build kernel as a rule): cd /sys/i386/conf config KERNEL cd ../../compile/KERNEL make depend make What should I do? I'll greatly appreciate any kind of help. -- Alexander Prohorenko, Extra Solutions http://extra.com.ua "Good day to be alive, sir" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 14:40:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from vs35.virtualisys.com (vs35.virtualisys.com [216.55.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC72A37B69B for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from win95 (pndppp205-76.eoni.com [216.228.205.76]) by vs35.virtualisys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA23124 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:40:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002301c07db1$4c14f860$0302a8c0@win95> Reply-To: "Mark Koskenmaki" From: "Mark Koskenmaki" To: Subject: Is this list active? Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:36:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just joined this list because I'm interested in using freebsd on a small computer - low ram, small drive, etc. Is there an updated website for this list? I'm also interested in installing this on a hard drive, as well. Thanks Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 15: 9:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA07437B6AA for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from popserver-02.iinet.net.au (popserver-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.148]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA25898; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:09:12 +0800 Received: from wskatinka (opera.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.144]) by popserver-02.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA14384; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:08:56 +0800 Message-ID: <002d01c07db5$c6c92f00$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: "Mark Koskenmaki" , References: <002301c07db1$4c14f860$0302a8c0@win95> Subject: Re: Is this list active? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:08:27 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes it is active :o) Website is http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ Kat Free to B Me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Koskenmaki" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 6:36 AM Subject: Is this list active? > I just joined this list because I'm interested in using freebsd on a small > computer - low ram, small drive, etc. > > Is there an updated website for this list? > > I'm also interested in installing this on a hard drive, as well. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 15:12:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from black.purplecat.net (ns1.purplecat.net [209.16.228.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CF837B400 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from 2100 (ci377160-a.ashvil1.nc.home.com [24.15.65.209]) by black.purplecat.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12828 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:14:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from pbrezny@purplecat.net) Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: picobsd as firewall/router for small private network Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:12:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c07db6$55b32ea0$cc01a8c0@highland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know it can be done, but has anyone put together a nice stream lined picobsd package similar to Charles Steinkuehler's EigerStein disk image (which really does it all, i've left info about the image at the bottom of the mail). But in brief, once you change 2 lines in a text file to get your network cards to be recognized, your done, and the system has a dhcp client (if your cable modem has a dynamic ip) and a dhcp server for your internal network, not to mention a dns cache to make things all that much easier. A run through the install doc provided gives you all the info you need and takes no time at all. This is great and all, however, I don't really know anything about linux, and would much rather have a bsd ipfw based firewall to work with so i know what's going on and can modify it to meet my needs. If anyone has done this, a disk image for cd or floppy, Please let me know. If nobody has, and someone wants to, i'll be glad to help any way I can. I know very little about pico bsd, but I have managed to come up with a pretty good ipfw rule set for small networks. TIA. Peter Brezny purplecat.net http://lrp.steinkuehler.net/ New to LRP and linux: I suggest you start with my EigerStein disk image. Overall, I think it is the easiest to use, since it will automatically configure machines on your internal network. It also provides a local DNS cache, which reduces your reliance on your ISP's server and can speed up internet access. The main drawback is the 1680K disk format, but the image is self-extracting, making it easy to work with. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 13 16:52:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6649537B698 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0E0qH389942; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200101140052.f0E0qH389942@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: Re: PicoBSD build problems In-Reply-To: <20010113222758.A3015@extra.dp.ua> from Alexander Prohorenko at "Jan 13, 2001 10:27:58 pm" To: white@extra.dp.ua (Alexander Prohorenko) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:52:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello guys. > > I'm experiencing problems building PicoBSD on 4.2-20001127-STABLE. > Everything was just fine on 4.1-STABLE, but something wrong happens now. that code assumes that you have done a make world. There are more recent versions (late december-early january) which fix that. cheers luigi > -> Preparing kernel... > (cd /usr/src; make buildkernel KERNEL=PICOBSD-net -DNO_MODULES) > > [ some scrap skipped ] > > rm -f .depend > mv -f .newdep .depend > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PICOBSD-net; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin MACHINE=i386 make KERNEL=kernel all > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/locore.s > /tmp/ccc12583.s: Assembler messages: > /tmp/ccc12583.s:1747: Error: .space specifies non-absolute value > /tmp/ccc12583.s:2458: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation setting PTmap > /tmp/ccc12583.s:2458: Error: undefined symbol PDRSHIFT in operation setting PTmap > /tmp/ccc12583.s:1715: Error: undefined symbol L0 in operation > > [ a lot of error messages comes here ] > > The kernel builds without any problems, when I'm doing smth like this > (the way I build kernel as a rule): > > cd /sys/i386/conf > config KERNEL > cd ../../compile/KERNEL > make depend > make > > What should I do? I'll greatly appreciate any kind of help. > > -- > Alexander Prohorenko, Extra Solutions > http://extra.com.ua > "Good day to be alive, sir" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message