From owner-freebsd-small Sun Feb 25 16:13:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nwlynx.network-lynx.net (nwlynx.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F84237B491 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (doze-1.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.106]) by nwlynx.network-lynx.net (8.11.1/8.9.3/Who.Cares) with ESMTP id f1Q0EAH19292 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3A999FAA.D1675624@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:13:30 -0700 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: asm interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to link some asm routines I've converted from DOS/intel format. Machine is running 4.2-S, compiler gcc.2.95, and the routines are for accessing an MCSI PromDisk 32M flash. My problem is in my lack of knowledge of gnu tools, I'm sure. I have it successfully linking into a binary, and when I run it in gdb, I can see the disassembled c code calling the location, and I see the proper assembled code at that called location, but I get a SIGBUS immediately upon stepping to that call. I've HTMLified my code on http://www.silver-lynx.com/flash/flash.html and derivatives. I know it's probably a really simple oh-sh*t, but can anybody tell me what's wrong? Thanks! -- Don Wilde Don@Silver-Lynx.com Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Feb 25 23:58:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from leka.almamedia.fi (leka.yhteys.mtv3.fi [62.236.224.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDA7E37B401 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jml@cubical.fi) Received: (qmail 17501 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2001 07:58:09 -0000 Received: from dyn-e-025.yhteys.mtv3.fi (HELO snafu.intra.net) (@62.236.229.25) by leka.yhteys.mtv3.fi with SMTP; 26 Feb 2001 07:58:09 -0000 Received: from cubical.fi (dhcp-32.intra.net [192.168.2.32]) by snafu.intra.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1Q7w1199706; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:58:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from jml@cubical.fi) Message-ID: <3A9A0CCE.B6748C@cubical.fi> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:59:10 +0200 From: Juha-Matti Liukkonen Organization: Cubical Solutions Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Wilde Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: asm interface References: <3A999FAA.D1675624@Silver-Lynx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, your program needs to access physical memory. That cannot be done from a user level program. You need to write a device driver for your flash chip -- it will run in kernel mode and have access to physical memory and I/O ports. Check /usr/share/examples/driver, and assuming you have kernel sources installed, /usr/src/dev directory for lots of sample code. Also I think that the nandread/nandwrite routines would be easier to write in C. Most of the hassle they do is to build pointers out of 16-bit segment/offset pairs, and you don't need (want!) this when running 32-bit. Once you have the address of the Flash memory, the actual operation is to first write the opcodes to the control and address ports (16-bit memory writes to fixed offsets in the memory), followed by data read/write to the data port (which is another 16-bit memory location). I can give you some more pointers if needed, just email me directly. (BTW, we use ATA Flashes, as they are trivial to set up as normal disks -- of course assuming you have the physical space for a cable-conneted device.) - Juha Don Wilde wrote: > > I'm trying to link some asm routines I've converted from DOS/intel > format. Machine is running 4.2-S, compiler gcc.2.95, and the routines > are for accessing an MCSI PromDisk 32M flash. My problem is in my lack > of knowledge of gnu tools, I'm sure. > > I have it successfully linking into a binary, and when I run it in gdb, > I can see the disassembled c code calling the location, and I see the > proper assembled code at that called location, but I get a SIGBUS > immediately upon stepping to that call. > > I've HTMLified my code on http://www.silver-lynx.com/flash/flash.html > and derivatives. I know it's probably a really simple oh-sh*t, but can > anybody tell me what's wrong? > > Thanks! > -- > Don Wilde Don@Silver-Lynx.com > Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects > 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 > 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Juha-Matti Liukkonen, Cubical Solutions Ltd Phone: +358(0)405280142 Email: jml@cubical.fi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 26 0: 9:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4911C37B401 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA62752 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:09:20 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:09:20 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Memory for PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010226150920.A44409@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Reply-To: eugen@iname.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! 1. If I boot PicoBSD with /boot/loader (BTX loader version 1.0, BTX version 1.01, bootstrap loader revision 0.8), kernel says 'avail memory' is 3240kB. Without /boot/loader there is 3248kB free. Why there is 8kb leak? Can it be avoided? 2. Size of MFS here is 1700kB. Do 3240kb include MFS or this is free memory after MFS? 3. I use tinyware's vm as vmstat. It's output is a bit strange: procs kB virt mem real mem shared vm shared real free r w l s tot act tot act tot act tot act 0 0 2 02129668 3752 2980 1548 1456 1456 1280 1280 480 0 0 2 02129680 3764 3004 1568 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 0 0 2 02129680 3764 3004 1568 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 0 0 2 02129680 3764 3004 1568 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 0 0 0 02129680 2204 3004 1320 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 0 0 0 02129680 2204 3004 1320 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 0 0 1 02129680 2968 3004 1428 1456 1456 1280 1280 456 It seems that 4th and 5th columns have been concatenated. How should I read this? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 27 10: 9: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from internet_server.ubiq1 (mail.ubiqinc.com [209.181.237.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C9137B71E for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nschuetz@ubiqinc.com) Received: from schuetzn (unverified [148.100.100.73]) by internet_server.ubiq1 (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.7) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:03:46 -0600 From: "Nicholas Schuetz" To: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:58:21 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 28 11: 7:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from aw163.netaddress.usa.net (aw163.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEEF737B718 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ootws@usa.net) Received: (qmail 28482 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2001 19:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20010228190731.28481.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.63 by aw163 for [63.174.232.253] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.15B.01) on Wed Feb 28 19:07:31 GMT 2001 Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:07:31 PST From: Charlie Baysinger To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: port list X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.15B.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone have any suggestions for getting a list of open / listening p= orts on a pico 0.5 1.44 floppy system ? I usually use the sockstat perl script or netstat -a, but the tinyware ns doesn't seem to include this functionality. I haven't tried, but I'm guessing the full blown netstat needs the kernel netgraph stuff and would overflow my floppy ? Thanks Charlie ps sorry about the webmail.. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=3D1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 28 11:27:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from onyx.extra.dp.ua (onyx.extrasy.net [195.248.182.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC1637B718 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from white@onyx.extra.dp.ua) Received: (from white@localhost) by onyx.extra.dp.ua (8.10.0/8.10.0/Who.Cares) id f1SJRMu17184; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:27:22 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:27:22 +0200 From: Alexander Prohorenko To: Charlie Baysinger Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port list Message-ID: <20010228212722.D9915@extrasy.net> References: <20010228190731.28481.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.9i In-Reply-To: <20010228190731.28481.qmail@aw163.netaddress.usa.net>; from ootws@usa.net on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:07:31AM -0800 Organization: Extra Solutions X-Operating-System: SunOS 5.7 i86pc Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 11:07:31AM -0800, Charlie Baysinger wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions for getting a list of open / listening ports > on a pico 0.5 1.44 floppy system ? I usually use the sockstat perl > script or netstat -a, but the tinyware ns doesn't seem to include this > functionality. I haven't tried, but I'm guessing the full blown netstat > needs the kernel netgraph stuff and would overflow my floppy ? Try to nmap' your host with Pico ;] Check out the /etc/inetd.conf. -- Alexander Prohorenko, Extra Solutions http://www.extrasy.net/solutions "Good day to be alive, sir" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Mar 1 11:34:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1383937B71A for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:34:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f21JYS613182 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:34:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:34:28 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small brennan@offwhite.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Mar 1 13: 3:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C47137B718 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f21L3ng14307 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:03:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:03:49 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd and alternatives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I messed with pico bsd recently and actually created my own kernel with the FreeBSD sources as it explains. So anyway, I am wondering if I can do more. I am a new consultant for a company and while I wait for my first client I sit in a computer lab at the office and wait. The computers are all set up with Windows and I am thinking it would be great if I could boot them into FreeBSD and use a full desktop interface. But everyone knows X would not fit on a floppy. So this is my idea... perhaps a plan. I could burn a large part of a BSD system onto a CD which is then bootable. The CD would work with a floppy to get startup settings and the a new floppy could be configured for every computer it goes with. The CD would then need some modified startup scripts which would look for rc.d scripts and /etc/*.conf files on the floppy and run and read them. I would guess this could lend itself to all kinds of powerful options. You could have a snapshot of an intranet website and freeze it onto a disk and take it to an remote network and reboot a windows box into FreeBSD for everyone to view the intranet locally. The hump to get over is that a CD does not have write capability, but I think a floppy can handle that. Sure you may not want to do logging to it, but you may be able to fit a copy of /etc onto a floppy and configure syslog to log to a remote location or to not log at all, since it is a temporary install, that may be ok. If it is more permanent, syslog can be adjusted to do it right. One use that I want to have for it is to act as a firewall/router much like PicoBSD, but this would be able to boot with a larger amount of data storage, allowing for several kernel modules to be available. Then that box could have several useful scripts to automatically load the ipfw.ko and ipl.ko modules among others to do various things. This would ultimately allow someone to set up an older computer with a custom FreeBSD installation in the time it takes to burn a copy of the original CD and then boot and customize the settings with the floppy. Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling someone may have already thought of this or has already done it. If so, I would be interested in helping develop it further and promote it's use. Now with so many people having both DSL and Cable modems at home along with older computers they could easily get a copy of this FreeBSD on CD and use it as a router for their own private network. Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Mar 1 15: 3:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EB337B718 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11839; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:03:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200103012303.QAA11839@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: picobsd and alternatives In-Reply-To: from Brennan Stehling at "Mar 1, 1 03:03:49 pm" To: brennan@offwhite.net (Brennan Stehling) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:03:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Brennan Stehling wrote: > Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling someone may have already > thought of this or has already done it. If so, I would be interested > in helping develop it further and promote it's use. This seems like a perfect use for the union filesystem. Boot your system from the CD, but keep the config files (and local customizations to them) on the floppy. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Mar 1 17:15:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7DA37B718 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:15:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f221Fqh16990; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:15:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:15:52 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd and alternatives In-Reply-To: <200103012303.QAA11839@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is the union filesystem? I have never heard of it. Can you point me to a site to read more about it? I also browsed the archives and contacted two people who had interest in creating a CD version... If I am able to figure a way to simply burn a working copy of FreeBSD from disk to CD and make it bootable I will do that. First I suppose I could make it work with simply a hard-drive and a floppy holding all config files. The filesystem can be set to read only on the disk drive to simulate a CD. And I could simulate my own NetInfo database by simply hosting config files on a website (perhaps password protected and ssl) where it simply pulls down a config file and sources it. The hard-drive could be defaulted to contact a given set of servers, like DNS can look to the root servers while the floppy can provide the primary config server hostname. The remote website could do access control based on remote IP and forward the request if necessary. Easy for me since I do web stuff all the time. Now to gather enough time to play... Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Brennan Stehling wrote: > > Any thoughts on this? I have a feeling someone may have already > > thought of this or has already done it. If so, I would be interested > > in helping develop it further and promote it's use. > > This seems like a perfect use for the union filesystem. Boot your > system from the CD, but keep the config files (and local customizations > to them) on the floppy. > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Mar 2 5:41:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561337B719 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cshenton@OutBounderInc.com) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23388; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:41:27 -0500 (EST) To: Brennan Stehling Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd and alternatives References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 02 Mar 2001 08:41:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: Brennan Stehling's message of "Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:15:52 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:15:52 -0600 (CST), Brennan Stehling said: Brennan> I also browsed the archives and contacted two people who had Brennan> interest in creating a CD version... If I am able to figure Brennan> a way to simply burn a working copy of FreeBSD from disk to Brennan> CD and make it bootable I will do that. First I suppose I Brennan> could make it work with simply a hard-drive and a floppy Brennan> holding all config files. The filesystem can be set to read Brennan> only on the disk drive to simulate a CD. You might want to take a look at what the people at www.ThinkNIC.com have done. They sell a $200 box that boots/runs Linux (sorry) off CD. I haven't gotten one myself, yet, but the price is good and the ability to boot simply is very appealing -- an appliance. I'm planning on getting a couple and net-booting FreeBSD from my main box, so I have access to all the SW I've built already, and to all my files: the simplicity of an Xterm but with decent local processing power (P233 equiv + 64MB RAM, audio, USB, ...) Anyway, not trying to push the NIC _per se_ but I think a lot of what they've done are similar to what you want. There are a couple discussion groups on yahoogroups/egroups, one of them is for technical matters like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Mar 2 10: 3:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31AC37B719 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@longs.org) Received: from amy (216-99-218-147.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.147]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f22I3qU19433 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:03:52 -0800 Message-ID: <02cd01c0a343$047b4e20$0200a8c0@longs> From: "Paul W Long" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:02:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Mar 3 9:14:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cobalt.hytekblue.com (adsl-208-191-102-230.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [208.191.102.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE2F37B719 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:14:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mgt@hytekblue.com) Received: from hytekblue1 (wildblue.hytekblue.com [10.0.0.77]) by cobalt.hytekblue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA72171 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:13:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mgt@hytekblue.com) Message-ID: <200103031114410281.0013D228@cobalt.hytekblue.com> References: <005f01c0a356$7452c3f0$1405010a@epctech.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.35 Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 11:14:41 -0600 From: "Matthew" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: picobsd and 4.2-RELEASE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am running 4.2-RELEASE and I have all of the source files installed. I= get errors compiling the stock picobsd net build. I have an older 4.0= freebsd box at home that compiles correctily . I was wondering if anyone= has any idea's other than simply installing 4.0 on the box at work. any= help would be greatly appreciated. Matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Mar 3 9:18: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4637B71C for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f23HHqt49105; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:17:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: Brennan Stehling To: Matthew Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd and 4.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <200103031114410281.0013D228@cobalt.hytekblue.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about creating an alternative CVS config file ans sync the 4.0 release to another directory besides /usr/src? That should work since all you want is a different source version. Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Matthew wrote: > I am running 4.2-RELEASE and I have all of the source files installed. I get errors compiling the stock picobsd net build. I have an older 4.0 freebsd box at home that compiles correctily . I was wondering if anyone has any idea's other than simply installing 4.0 on the box at work. any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Matthew > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Mar 3 17:57:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from oneway.com (daedal.oneway.com [205.252.89.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832E837B719 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by oneway.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA36897; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:11:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:11:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jay Kuri To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Brennan Stehling , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd and alternatives In-Reply-To: <200103012303.QAA11839@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This seems like a perfect use for the union filesystem. Boot your > system from the CD, but keep the config files (and local customizations > to them) on the floppy. Is the union filesystem stable enough for this? I've been interested in doing something along these lines but I haven't because there are big warnings all over about using union_fs... but I know some work has been done on it since FreeBSD 3.x. Has anyone done this? Also, does anyone understand the difference between mount -o union and mount_union? Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Mar 3 18: 4:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fuoco.ombra.lan (c1080065-a.chmpgn1.il.home.com [24.17.3.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99EF37B719 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgiacomoni@ombra.org) Received: by fuoco.ombra.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1367D5D16; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:59:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:59:08 -0600 From: John Giacomoni To: Jay Kuri Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd and alternatives Message-ID: <20010303195908.A69106@fuoco.ombra.lan> References: <200103012303.QAA11839@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from "Jay Kuri" on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:11:59PM Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Also, does anyone understand the difference between mount -o union > and mount_union? I played with mount -o union and was happy and disappointed at the same time. it does do the trick of overlaying a FS ontop of another. the catch is only for the root directory of the fs you overlayed. all children directories are part of the bottom file system.. so it doesn't work for overlaying memfs ontop of say a static /var John G -- Code is obstinate like a two year old... with logic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Mar 3 22:30:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF2937B719 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA82424; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:30:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200103040630.HAA82424@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: picobsd and 4.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <200103031114410281.0013D228@cobalt.hytekblue.com> from Matthew at "Mar 3, 2001 11:14:41 am" To: Matthew Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:30:50 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG please use the scripts and config files in a recent -STABLE (late february), or wait for 4.3-RELEASE which is due shortly. There has been significant cleanup in the picobsd source and scripts to be worth the effort. cheers luigi ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . ACIRI/ICSI (on leave from Univ. di Pisa) http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . 1947 Center St, Berkeley CA 94704 Phone (510) 666 2927 . ----------------------------------+----------------------------------------- > I am running 4.2-RELEASE and I have all of the source files installed. I get errors compiling the stock picobsd net build. I have an older 4.0 freebsd box at home that compiles correctily . I was wondering if anyone has any idea's other than simply installing 4.0 on the box at work. any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Matthew > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message