From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 29 17:28:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h010.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5713837B42C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neal@nelsonnet.org) Received: (cpmta 10225 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2001 17:28:25 -0700 Date: 29 Apr 2001 17:28:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20010430002825.10221.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Apr 2001 00:28:25 GMT Received: from [203.23.27.1] by mail.nelsonnet.org with HTTP; 29 Apr 2001 17:28:25 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: neal@nelsonnet.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Flash Boot Problem Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm having trouble getting a CompactFlash card to work on an old PC I have. It seems to stop the PC booting when attached to the system, even though the BIOS auto detects the card fine. I've booted the card OK in other systems so I was wondering if there are any settings that maybe I should try in order to make it work. For example: should I set the device to LBA, LARGE or NORMAL access? Should I configure it to a particular PIO mode? My whole firewall concept is going out the window here if I can't get this to work. I have an old LS-120 superdrive that the PC will boot from from floppy fine when the flash isn't connected but that limits me to PicoBSD as I don't have anything else to write an LS-120 disc. Any insights would be appreciated. _____________________________________________________ Get your name as your email and web site address. http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 29 21:44:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h011.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BB6337B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neal@nelsonnet.org) Received: (cpmta 11307 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2001 21:44:48 -0700 Date: 29 Apr 2001 21:44:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20010430044448.11306.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 30 Apr 2001 04:44:48 GMT Received: from [203.23.27.1] by mail.nelsonnet.org with HTTP; 29 Apr 2001 21:44:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wlloyd@tolstoy.mpd.ca From: neal@nelsonnet.org Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: Flash Boot Problem Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Getting FreeBSD onto the flash isn't my main problem as I've already managed to do that thanks to the use of a set of scripts called mkflash and diskprep that I got from this list. My problem is getting my particular PC to boot from flash. The problem seems to be that when the flash is plugged in, it doesn't try to boot anything. The BIOS starts up normally but after it's probed the IDE devices instead of displaying the configuration table, it just sits there. It's an Abit BH6 running a Pentium II that I used as my main system for a while and which seemed to work OK for that. It just has problems with CompactFlash. I'm using a passive IDE adaptor which works fine in my main system where I built the distribution. I was tempted with the idea of using OpenBSD for my firewall but I already had FreeBSD and was able to tailor my installation on a powerful system and then run it on an old surplus system. FreeBSD also seems to be a pretty stable and secure system so I didn't see the need to change. The only thing that could tempt me would be the use of a non-intel architecture SBC as the Intel based ones are very expensive. On Sun, 29 April 2001, William Lloyd wrote: > > Hi neal! > > Not to be too much of a traitor to FreeBSD but there is a compact > flash verion of OpenBSD spcifically for firewalls. www.embsd.org > > I just installed it after fooling with trying to get an install of FreeBSD/ > PicoBSD on a flash card. > > It's cool. > > -bill > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, neal@nelsonnet.org wrote: > > > I'm having trouble getting a CompactFlash card to work on an old PC I have. It seems to stop the PC booting when attached to the system, even though the BIOS auto detects the card fine. I've booted the card OK in other systems so I was wondering if there are any settings that maybe I should try in order to make it work. For example: should I set the device to LBA, LARGE or NORMAL access? Should I configure it to a particular PIO mode? > > > > My whole firewall concept is going out the window here if I can't get this to work. I have an old LS-120 superdrive that the PC will boot from from floppy fine when the flash isn't connected but that limits me to PicoBSD as I don't have anything else to write an LS-120 disc. > > > > Any insights would be appreciated. > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > > Get your name as your email and web site address. > > http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > -- > William Lloyd mailto:wlloyd@mpd.ca | http://www.mpd.ca _____________________________________________________ Get your name as your email and web site address. http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 29 22: 4:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAEF37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3U53uR36907; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104300503.f3U53uR36907@harmony.village.org> To: neal@nelsonnet.org Subject: Re: Flash Boot Problem Cc: wlloyd@tolstoy.mpd.ca, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "29 Apr 2001 21:44:48 PDT." <20010430044448.11306.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> References: <20010430044448.11306.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:03:56 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010430044448.11306.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> neal@nelsonnet.org writes: : Getting FreeBSD onto the flash isn't my main problem as I've already : managed to do that thanks to the use of a set of scripts called : mkflash and diskprep that I got from this list. My problem is getting : my particular PC to boot from flash. Make sure that the BIOS matches the fdisk parameters. Life gets much better then. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 30 1:17: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF60237B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14951; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:56:54 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: neal@nelsonnet.org Cc: wlloyd@tolstoy.mpd.ca, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flash Boot Problem In-Reply-To: <20010430044448.11306.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen problems where certain bios'es (and certain revs of bios'es) don't like flashdisks. I have some 486's that I'm using for similar work and they MUST have the lastest flash or they won't boot at all. They see the disk, they just won't boot from it. On 29 Apr 2001 neal@nelsonnet.org wrote: > Date: 29 Apr 2001 21:44:48 -0700 > From: neal@nelsonnet.org > To: wlloyd@tolstoy.mpd.ca > Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Flash Boot Problem > > Getting FreeBSD onto the flash isn't my main problem as I've already managed to do that thanks to the use of a set of scripts called mkflash and diskprep that I got from this list. My problem is getting my particular PC to boot from flash. > > The problem seems to be that when the flash is plugged in, it doesn't try to boot anything. The BIOS starts up normally but after it's probed the IDE devices instead of displaying the configuration table, it just sits there. It's an Abit BH6 running a Pentium II that I used as my main system for a while and which seemed to work OK for that. It just has problems with CompactFlash. I'm using a passive IDE adaptor which works fine in my main system where I built the distribution. > > I was tempted with the idea of using OpenBSD for my firewall but I already had FreeBSD and was able to tailor my installation on a powerful system and then run it on an old surplus system. FreeBSD also seems to be a pretty stable and secure system so I didn't see the need to change. The only thing that could tempt me would be the use of a non-intel architecture SBC as the Intel based ones are very expensive. > > On Sun, 29 April 2001, William Lloyd wrote: > > > > > Hi neal! > > > > Not to be too much of a traitor to FreeBSD but there is a compact > > flash verion of OpenBSD spcifically for firewalls. www.embsd.org > > > > I just installed it after fooling with trying to get an install of FreeBSD/ > > PicoBSD on a flash card. > > > > It's cool. > > > > -bill > > > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, neal@nelsonnet.org wrote: > > > > > I'm having trouble getting a CompactFlash card to work on an old PC I have. It seems to stop the PC booting when attached to the system, even though the BIOS auto detects the card fine. I've booted the card OK in other systems so I was wondering if there are any settings that maybe I should try in order to make it work. For example: should I set the device to LBA, LARGE or NORMAL access? Should I configure it to a particular PIO mode? > > > > > > My whole firewall concept is going out the window here if I can't get this to work. I have an old LS-120 superdrive that the PC will boot from from floppy fine when the flash isn't connected but that limits me to PicoBSD as I don't have anything else to write an LS-120 disc. > > > > > > Any insights would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your name as your email and web site address. > > > http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > William Lloyd mailto:wlloyd@mpd.ca | http://www.mpd.ca > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Get your name as your email and web site address. > http://www.NetIdentity.com. Be somebody online. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 1 15: 3:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from borg.inreach.com (borg.inreach.com [209.142.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 831BD37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from norami@unlimited.net) Received: (qmail 7768 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 22:03:46 -0000 Received: from 209-142-4-28.stk.inreach.net (HELO unlimited.net) (209.142.4.28) by mail.unlimited.net with SMTP; 1 May 2001 22:03:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3AEF33DB.25D186A5@unlimited.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:08:27 -0700 From: John Oram X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Excuse this email, I'm testing new email filter script. John Oram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 1 15:35:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE9037B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04082; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105012235.PAA04082@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <3AEF33DB.25D186A5@unlimited.net> from John Oram at "May 1, 1 03:08:27 pm" To: norami@unlimited.net (John Oram) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:35:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, John Oram wrote: > Excuse this email, I'm testing new email filter script. It didn't filter my copy. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 2 1:45:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EDC37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA17346 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:45:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3AEFC92E.79D29313@soekris.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:45:34 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: net4501 References: <200104192226.PAA21832@mina.soco.agilent.com> <200104192309.f3JN9F807969@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Everyone, Just an update.... The first production series of 240 boards has been set for end of May, so boards will be available for delivery at the start of June 2001. If they sell out, people on this list that has expressed interest will get priority. There will be two versions available, with either 32 or 64 Mbyte SDRAM, both with 133 Mhz CPU, 3 Ethernet interfaces, 1 Serial interface, MiniPCI socket, 3.3V PCI connector, including a small metal case and US power supply. Later on other configurations may be available, or any configuration can be produced in larger volumes. Prices are as follow, in USD: Quantity 32 Mbyte 64 Mbyte -------------------------------- 1-24 $220 $240 25-99 $212 $232 100-499 $204 $223 500+ $196 $215 Ordering and payment information will come up on my website later. But for now terms will probably be pre payment by check or money order, plus shipping at actual cost. But I will also look into setting up credit card processing.... Regards, Soren Kristensen http://www.soekris.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 2 8: 5:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9FD37B424 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from msgrel1.and.agilent.com (msgrel1.and.agilent.com [130.30.33.104]) by msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B37137; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by msgrel1.and.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CD3D2; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id IAA27622; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105021505.IAA27622@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Soren Kristensen Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: net4501 Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 May 2001 01:45:34 PDT." <3AEFC92E.79D29313@soekris.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:05:38 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soren Kristensen wrote: > There will be two versions available, with either 32 or 64 Mbyte > SDRAM, both with 133 Mhz CPU, 3 Ethernet interfaces, 1 Serial Out of curiosity, is the 32MB version expandable to 64MB, or is it fixed (because a lower density RAM IC is used)? [ I'd still get the 64MB version, anyway, as the US$20 difference is pretty small. I'd be interested in two boards. ] > interface, MiniPCI socket, 3.3V PCI connector, including a small > metal case and US power supply. Later on other configurations may > be available, or any configuration can be produced in larger > volumes. Prices are as follow, in USD: Is this shipping from the US, or do US folks have to worry about customs? [ Sorry, I can't tell .... ] > Ordering and payment information will come up on my website later. > But for now terms will probably be pre payment by check or money > order, plus shipping at actual cost. But I will also look into > setting up credit card processing.... Just as a data point, I'd prefer credit cards, and I'd be willing to pay slightly more for it (to cover any credit card processing). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 2 21:23: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC6B37B424 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ipthomas_77@yahoo.com) Received: from scarlet.my.domain (1Cust170.tnt2.buffalo.ny.da.uu.net [63.20.90.170]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08808 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ipt@localhost) by scarlet.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01174 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 May 2001 00:22:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ipt) From: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Message-Id: <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> Subject: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Operating System: FreeBSD X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an old IBM thinkpad with about 4MB of RAM(actually it says 3096KB on bootup) with a 486 CPU that I would like to use with PicoBSD. It has two serial ports and a monitor port with a floppy drive and a HardDrive with about 120 MB. Unfortunately there is no PCMCIA slots for a NIC. I have come close to getting NetBSD on this laptop but have failed right at the end. I figured that I should try a BSD that is made for small spaces. The FAQ suggests 8MB but claims 4MB has been done. I figure if I can get a swap space on their early in the install I should be set because the HD is plenty big enough. I have had a version of Linux(small linux I think) on this laptop and it worked, but I would rather have a BSD(I'm more comfortable with it). I this even possible or should I go and find another 4MB of RAM(this thing maxes out at 8MB and the RAM is very hard to find)? Ian -- Have blue screens given you the blues, go to www.freebsd.org for the cure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 2 21:27:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D4937B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1DCF6ACB8; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:57:19 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:57:19 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU Message-ID: <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain>; from ipthomas_77@yahoo.com on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:22:54AM -0400 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 3 May 2001 at 0:22:54 -0400, User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas wrote: > Operating System: FreeBSD > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have an old IBM thinkpad with about 4MB of RAM(actually it says 3096KB > on bootup) with a 486 CPU that I would like to use with PicoBSD. It has two > serial ports and a monitor port with a floppy drive and a HardDrive with > about 120 MB. Unfortunately there is no PCMCIA slots for a NIC. I have come > close to getting NetBSD on this laptop but have failed right at the end. I > figured that I should try a BSD that is made for small spaces. The FAQ > suggests 8MB but claims 4MB has been done. I figure if I can get a swap > space on their early in the install I should be set because the HD is plenty > big enough. I have had a version of Linux(small linux I think) on this > laptop and it worked, but I would rather have a BSD(I'm more comfortable with > it). I this even possible or should I go and find another 4MB of RAM(this > thing maxes out at 8MB and the RAM is very hard to find)? You're probably out of luck. PicoBSD certainly won't work; it stores data in a RAMdisk which is by default 4 MB. That's in addition to normal system memory, so you don't have a hope there. Current versions of FreeBSD may or may not run in 8 MB; they certainly won't run in 4. Your best bet is to get an old version (for example 2.2.8, the last FreeBSD-2 version). This should function in 4 MB, but don't expect a ball of fire. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 2 21:41:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B4337B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f434f0b59333; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200105030441.f434f0b59333@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU Cc: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 13:57:19 +0930." <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:41:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : Current versions of FreeBSD may or may not run in 8 MB; they certainly : won't run in 4. Your best bet is to get an old version (for example : 2.2.8, the last FreeBSD-2 version). This should function in 4 MB, but : don't expect a ball of fire. Recent versions of FreeBSD run fine in 8MB of ram (well, 4.2-beta did). I think that it should run in 4MB if you really pare down the kernel. -current is another matter. I haven't tried to run it in less than 16MB. However, sysinstall needs at least 12MB, and is happier with 16MB of RAM. I've had problems on some machines with 16M using sysinstall. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 3:51:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4376F37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 03:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA92335; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:51:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010503114842.00bac7f0@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:51:04 +0100 To: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 13:57 03/05/01 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >[...] Your best bet is to get an old version (for example >2.2.8, the last FreeBSD-2 version). This should function in 4 MB, but >don't expect a ball of fire. I think that's correct, but IIRC 2.2.8 sysinstall needs more (5MB? 8MB?) -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 6:31:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5596637B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ipthomas_77@yahoo.com) Received: from scarlet.my.domain (1Cust235.tnt15.buffalo.ny.da.uu.net [63.57.105.235]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04759; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ipt@localhost) by scarlet.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00559; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ipt) From: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Message-Id: <200105031331.JAA00559@scarlet.my.domain> Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010503114842.00bac7f0@gid.co.uk> from Bob Bishop at "May 3, 2001 11:51:04 am" To: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Operating System: FreeBSD X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a way to install without sysinstall. In netbsd I can drop into a shell and run fdisk, swapctl, and then disklabel to get the disk set up with partitions and swap space to take some of the load off of the small memory. If I compiled a small kernel on my workstation using only the components in the laptop and getting rid of everything but the bare essentials I believe I could but this small kernel on a floppy and maybe do it that way(there was a thread on this in questions referring to an article at FreeBSDDiary, I'll have to check it out). Of course all of this depends on whether I can install sans sysinstall. Has anyone done an install without it? This would be like doing FreeBSD from scratch(sounds like a good learning experience). Ian As told by, Bob Bishop > Hi, > > At 13:57 03/05/01 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >[...] Your best bet is to get an old version (for example > >2.2.8, the last FreeBSD-2 version). This should function in 4 MB, but > >don't expect a ball of fire. > > I think that's correct, but IIRC 2.2.8 sysinstall needs more (5MB? 8MB?) > > -- > Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 > rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- Have blue screens given you the blues, go to www.freebsd.org for the cure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 8:41:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9497837B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f43Ff4j41399; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.2/8.8.3) with ESMTP id f43Ff5l38811; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200105031541.f43Ff5l38811@billy-club.village.org> To: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU Cc: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop), freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 09:30:59 EDT." <200105031331.JAA00559@scarlet.my.domain> References: <200105031331.JAA00559@scarlet.my.domain> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:41:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200105031331.JAA00559@scarlet.my.domain> User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas writes: : Is there a way to install without sysinstall. In netbsd I can drop into : a shell and run fdisk, swapctl, and then disklabel to get the disk set up : with partitions and swap space to take some of the load off of the small : memory. If I compiled a small kernel on my workstation using only the : components in the laptop and getting rid of everything but the bare : essentials I believe I could but this small kernel on a floppy and maybe do : it that way(there was a thread on this in questions referring to an article : at FreeBSDDiary, I'll have to check it out). Of course all of this depends : on whether I can install sans sysinstall. Has anyone done an install without : it? This would be like doing FreeBSD from scratch(sounds like a good learning : experience). I routinely do the following: pull the disk from the system I want FreeBSD to run in. put it in a desktop fdisk/disklabel it mount it (/new) cd /usr/src make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy DESTDIR=/new cd etc make distribution DESTDIR=/new cd .. make installworld DESTDIR=/new Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 9:53:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA2D37B424; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f43GwCX16999; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:58:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:53:20 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Cc: Soren Kristensen Subject: HiFn hardware encryption? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, again, at the risk of talking too much, a friend of ours who is a hardware engineer (Soeren Kristensen, www.soekris.com) has built a very cost-effective small low power consumption board with three ethernet devices, well suited for SOHO routers or IPng "bump-in-the- wire" boxes. Since this is an i486 class chip, the throughput with encryption is somewhat limited (at about 2 Mbps with 256 bit blowfish.) So, Soeren has planned for and is now putting together a plugin with a HiFn hardware encryption chip. This should be very effective without blowing up the price too much (may be his next releas of the board will include that chip on-board ;-). The question is, how will we be capitalizing on that hardware. For one, HiFn has very good technical documentation freely available, that will make driver-writing a breeze. Even I could do that. But the question is, how best would hardware encryption fit into the overall framework of FreeBSD and KAME? It would appear to me that there is not one single point to fit it in. You don't want it to be restricted to the ip_esp code, nor do you want it to be restricted to the kernel code (as racoon would greatly benefit from the chip's DH and RSA capabilities.) I could imagine throwing this behind the sys/crypto code. But that doesn't make racoon benefit, since racoon relies on OpenSSL. Would therefore need to put it both places, sys/crypto and as a userland device and modify OpenSSL to use this new facility. I thought about three device nodes: crdi - crypto data in crdo - crypto data out crcio - crypto control i/o I don't like ioctl's (can't be controlled through shell scripts) which is why I would do the crcio device that can be controlled by sending ASCII commands to it. But if this creates an outcry, we could use ioctls. May be we could get by with a single device node: crio that handles write(2) into the input queue, read(2) accessing the output queue and ioctl(2) doing the controlling. But then, of course, we could also make it a socket(2) domain ... may be the chip would also be a good candidate for being queue managed by ALTQ. Those are just thoughts. Are there other thoughts out there? Did someone attack this or plans to attack this in the near or not so near future? I might be able to allocate some dayjob time to this matter, but I have a certain learning curve to climb ... regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 10:16:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CEA37B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f43HG7q15281; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:16:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:16:07 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Gunther Schadow Cc: snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Soren Kristensen Subject: Re: HiFn hardware encryption? Message-ID: <20010503101607.B10093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org>; from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:53:20PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:53:20PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Are there other thoughts out there? Did someone attack this or plans > to attack this in the near or not so near future? I might be able to > allocate some dayjob time to this matter, but I have a certain learning > curve to climb ... Mark Murray has stated that he plans to import the OpenBSD kernel crypto API which will do all of this. Discussion of another API would probably be a large waste of effort. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68ZJVXY6L6fI4GtQRAptyAJ4gitAJN3wj11+jKKUog6ddVC0hrwCfVC7M UHjFah/J1wdt5Gi0yGbMvqc= =+M31 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i0/AhcQY5QxfSsSZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 10:32:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABABB37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ipthomas_77@yahoo.com) Received: from scarlet.my.domain (1Cust15.tnt1.buffalo.ny.da.uu.net [63.20.88.15]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26287; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ipt@localhost) by scarlet.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00388; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:31:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ipt) From: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Message-Id: <200105031731.NAA00388@scarlet.my.domain> Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU In-Reply-To: <200105031541.f43Ff5l38811@billy-club.village.org> from Warner Losh at "May 3, 2001 09:41:05 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Operating System: FreeBSD X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a Laptop that does not have a hot swappable HD. I could take it apart and see if it has an IDE drive in it or maybe get the info off of dmesg's output as it scrolls by. I know I can get to a shell with the NetBSD version 1.4 install floppy. I suppose I can run dmesg from there and get the info about drive type. Thanks to Bruce, Greg, Bob, Warner, and anybody else who responds. I think I'll hack around with the previously mentioned Pico scripts and see if I can't get some results. I'll post the success story(hopefully) when I'm through. Thanks for clearing up the confusion about sysinstall. I thought the Pico script ran it after it booted up the system. Ian As told by, Warner Losh > In message <200105031331.JAA00559@scarlet.my.domain> User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas writes: > : Is there a way to install without sysinstall. In netbsd I can drop into > : a shell and run fdisk, swapctl, and then disklabel to get the disk set up > : with partitions and swap space to take some of the load off of the small > : memory. If I compiled a small kernel on my workstation using only the > : components in the laptop and getting rid of everything but the bare > : essentials I believe I could but this small kernel on a floppy and maybe do > : it that way(there was a thread on this in questions referring to an article > : at FreeBSDDiary, I'll have to check it out). Of course all of this depends > : on whether I can install sans sysinstall. Has anyone done an install without > : it? This would be like doing FreeBSD from scratch(sounds like a good learning > : experience). > > I routinely do the following: > pull the disk from the system I want FreeBSD to run in. > put it in a desktop > fdisk/disklabel it > mount it (/new) > cd /usr/src > make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy DESTDIR=/new > cd etc > make distribution DESTDIR=/new > cd .. > make installworld DESTDIR=/new > > Warner > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- Have blue screens given you the blues, go to www.freebsd.org for the cure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 10:34:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F3537B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f43Hd5X17398; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:34:14 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis Cc: snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Soren Kristensen Subject: Re: HiFn hardware encryption? References: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> <20010503101607.B10093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brooks Davis wrote: > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:53:20PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Are there other thoughts out there? Did someone attack this or plans > > to attack this in the near or not so near future? I might be able to > > allocate some dayjob time to this matter, but I have a certain learning > > curve to climb ... > > Mark Murray has stated that he plans to import the OpenBSD kernel crypto > API which will do all of this. Discussion of another API would probably > be a large waste of effort. Great! Thanks for letting me know. Where can I see what's cooking? (web site or e-mail list, etc. ?) regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 10:34:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C77637B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f43HYUb66025; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200105031734.f43HYUb66025@harmony.village.org> To: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 13:31:56 EDT." <200105031731.NAA00388@scarlet.my.domain> References: <200105031731.NAA00388@scarlet.my.domain> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:34:30 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200105031731.NAA00388@scarlet.my.domain> User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas writes: : This is a Laptop that does not have a hot swappable HD. I could take it : apart and see if it has an IDE drive in it or maybe get the info off of : dmesg's output as it scrolls by. I know I can get to a shell with the : NetBSD version 1.4 install floppy. I suppose I can run dmesg from there and : get the info about drive type. Thanks to Bruce, Greg, Bob, Warner, and : anybody else who responds. I think I'll hack around with the previously : mentioned Pico scripts and see if I can't get some results. I'll post the : success story(hopefully) when I'm through. Thanks for clearing up the : confusion about sysinstall. I thought the Pico script ran it after it : booted up the system. If it has a floppy, you'd likely be able to netboot the machine to partition your hard disk. I think that booting the fixit disks might also get you this, but you'd likely have to go back to the 2.2 series of releases where things still fit on one floppy. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 10:41:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88C37B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f43Hfq918899; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:41:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:41:52 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Gunther Schadow Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Soren Kristensen Subject: Re: HiFn hardware encryption? Message-ID: <20010503104152.A17628@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> <20010503101607.B10093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org>; from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:34:14PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Insane CC list trimmed ;-)] On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:34:14PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Great! Thanks for letting me know. Where can I see what's cooking? > (web site or e-mail list, etc. ?) Presumably there will be announcements on either -current or -hackers when there is something to play with. There may also be discussions on -arch and -audit at various times. At this point I don't think there is a list or webpage. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68ZhfXY6L6fI4GtQRAuN8AJ9K7Ob9uGag6Gx65fCMaeLxKxlwPwCghXQY wBuaSNwIZN/0ozbW+zH3Im0= =QM6f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 11:52:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from casimir.physics.purdue.edu (casimir.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFAA37B43C; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@physics.purdue.edu) Received: by casimir.physics.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B2B071C0E3; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:48:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:48:24 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Gunther Schadow Cc: Brooks Davis , snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Soren Kristensen Subject: Re: HiFn hardware encryption? Message-ID: <20010503134824.U5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> <20010503101607.B10093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Zh8cApnN4lZdodaB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org>; from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:34:14PM +0000 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 sparc64 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Zh8cApnN4lZdodaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:34:14PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Great! Thanks for letting me know. Where can I see what's cooking? > (web site or e-mail list, etc. ?) Email Mark , extract information from his brain, write up a webpage, and give him the URL. :-) --=20 wca --Zh8cApnN4lZdodaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68af4F47idPgWcsURAvqfAKCQj3RTg6EDJ1p+kYR1o4oXqt4G0QCeJPr8 5Y/Xou5KFVJh/AaAAa9ZpWE= =zuTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Zh8cApnN4lZdodaB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 12: 1:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C255D37B43C; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA21331; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3AF1AB0C.D0DF5362@soekris.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:32 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: Gunther Schadow , Brooks Davis , snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, markm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HiFn hardware encryption? References: <3AF18D00.737F6121@aurora.regenstrief.org> <20010503101607.B10093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3AF19696.F39F8FDD@aurora.regenstrief.org> <20010503134824.U5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe we could get Mark to post a short note here with a little status information :-) Also, I will probably have prototype Hi/Fn 7951 boards avaliable in 2-3 weeks (both in Std PCI and MiniPCI type III versions), and will be happy to donate one for testing. Although there's no driver support for that new chip yest, OpenBSD will probably add it soon, as they will also get prototypes.... Regards, Soren Will Andrews wrote: > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:34:14PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Great! Thanks for letting me know. Where can I see what's cooking? > > (web site or e-mail list, etc. ?) > > Email Mark , extract information from his brain, > write up a webpage, and give him the URL. :-) > > -- > wca > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 16:16:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA0E37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11855; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105032316.QAA11855@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU In-Reply-To: <200105030422.AAA01174@scarlet.my.domain> from User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas at "May 3, 1 00:22:54 am" To: ipthomas_77@yahoo.com (User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:16:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas wrote: > I have an old IBM thinkpad with about 4MB of RAM(actually it says > 3096KB on bootup) with a 486 CPU that I would like to use with > PicoBSD. It has two serial ports and a monitor port with a floppy > drive and a HardDrive with about 120 MB. Unfortunately there is no > PCMCIA slots for a NIC. Does it have a parallel port? You can run PLIP with a laplink cable to another, larger system to do the setup. A long time ago I got FreeBSD 2.0.5 onto a Compaq 386/20 notebook that had an 80meg drive and 4meg of RAM using PLIP to a desktop machine that had the installation CDs in it. It can be done... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 3 17:18: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E57A37B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nonymousnomus@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:18:07 -0700 Received: from 66.2.116.10 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2001 00:18:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.2.116.10] From: "Nonymous Nomus" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: re: build picobsd with netgraph Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2001 00:18:07.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1C6C880:01C0D42F] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm trying to build a picobsd using the new picobsd script with netgraph stuff in it. I included the nghook and ngctl in the crunch.conf file and started the script. However when it gets to the stage where it gets to nghook and ngctl it complains about several undefined references. Can you please tell me what are the steps I need to follow to add netgraph to say dial type of picobsd? Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat May 5 6:18:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [213.162.131.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6737B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 06:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: from mx.webgiro.com (unknown [192.168.10.2]) by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAF9100404; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:30:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9978D7817; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8906510E1E; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:18:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Greg Lehey Cc: User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas , freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU In-Reply-To: <20010503135719.U72846@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 3 May 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 3 May 2001 at 0:22:54 -0400, User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas wrote: > > Operating System: FreeBSD > > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have an old IBM thinkpad with about 4MB of RAM(actually it says 3096KB > > on bootup) with a 486 CPU that I would like to use with PicoBSD. It has two > > serial ports and a monitor port with a floppy drive and a HardDrive with > > about 120 MB. Unfortunately there is no PCMCIA slots for a NIC. I have come > > close to getting NetBSD on this laptop but have failed right at the end. I > > figured that I should try a BSD that is made for small spaces. The FAQ > > suggests 8MB but claims 4MB has been done. I figure if I can get a swap The claim is based on my personal tests of the stock 2.2.5 ROUTER version - still available from the PicoBSD antiquated web pages... > > space on their early in the install I should be set because the HD is plenty > > big enough. I have had a version of Linux(small linux I think) on this > > laptop and it worked, but I would rather have a BSD(I'm more comfortable with > > it). I this even possible or should I go and find another 4MB of RAM(this > > thing maxes out at 8MB and the RAM is very hard to find)? > > You're probably out of luck. PicoBSD certainly won't work; it stores > data in a RAMdisk which is by default 4 MB. That's in addition to > normal system memory, so you don't have a hope there. > > Current versions of FreeBSD may or may not run in 8 MB; they certainly > won't run in 4. Your best bet is to get an old version (for example > 2.2.8, the last FreeBSD-2 version). This should function in 4 MB, but > don't expect a ball of fire. Although I haven't actually tested it on the recent releases, I would say it should still "work" - depending on how you define "work" :-). I.e. I agree that there is no chance to run GENERIC and sysinstall, but a heavily cut down kernel + sash instead if init... might just cut it. The root would have to be mounted from the floppy (no MD_ROOT). Then, if you're lucky you would still have some RAM left to execute swapon. Andrzej // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // Andrzej Bialecki , Chief System Architect // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // FreeBSD developer (http://www.freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat May 5 6:28:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from kauha.saunalahti.fi (kauha.saunalahti.fi [195.197.53.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5943A37B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 06:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jml@cubical.fi) Received: from gw.cubical.fi (gw.cubical.fi [195.218.69.227]) by kauha.saunalahti.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f45DSLP05918 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:28:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from cubical.fi (dhcp-45.intra.net [192.168.42.45]) by gw.cubical.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA71583 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:28:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jml@cubical.fi) Message-ID: <3AF4003D.DEEF5D76@cubical.fi> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 16:29:33 +0300 From: Juha-Matti Liukkonen Organization: Cubical Solutions Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM Laptop 4MB RAM 486 CPU References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, 4M is definitely doable, at least with a custom system build (can't say of Pico because I haven't used the recent versions). Our 4.2-RELEASE based ebsd rescue build, however, happily gives four virtual consoles with less than 3M committed RAM, using a ramdisk root. (It did take a bit of tinkering, though...) Cheers, - Juha Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > On Thu, 3 May 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Thursday, 3 May 2001 at 0:22:54 -0400, User Ipt Ian Patrick Thomas wrote: > > > Operating System: FreeBSD > > > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > I have an old IBM thinkpad with about 4MB of RAM(actually it says 3096KB > > > on bootup) with a 486 CPU that I would like to use with PicoBSD. It has two > > > serial ports and a monitor port with a floppy drive and a HardDrive with > > > about 120 MB. Unfortunately there is no PCMCIA slots for a NIC. I have come > > > close to getting NetBSD on this laptop but have failed right at the end. I > > > figured that I should try a BSD that is made for small spaces. The FAQ > > > suggests 8MB but claims 4MB has been done. I figure if I can get a swap > > The claim is based on my personal tests of the stock 2.2.5 ROUTER version > - still available from the PicoBSD antiquated web pages... : -- Juha-Matti Liukkonen, Cubical Solutions Ltd Phone: +358(0)405280142 Email: jml@cubical.fi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat May 5 12:36:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A392837B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22695 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105051936.MAA22695@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Agenda Computing To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 12:36:31 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My Agenda Computing VR3 PDA arrived yesterday (http://www.agendacomputing.com). Naturally, I started daydreaming about getting rid of the Penguin. Is anyone else interested in hacking an Agenda? Is this the wrong place to discuss such a thing? The VR3 is a Linux and X11 based PDA, all code (including applications) is open sourced. The CPU is a 66MHz NEC VR4118 series, so we would have to start with the NetBSD hpmips port, I guess. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat May 5 13:43:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A452737B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f45KhIb90433; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:43:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200105052043.f45KhIb90433@harmony.village.org> To: chad@DCFinc.com Subject: Re: Agenda Computing Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 May 2001 12:36:31 PDT." <200105051936.MAA22695@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <200105051936.MAA22695@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:43:18 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200105051936.MAA22695@freeway.dcfinc.com> "Chad R. Larson" writes: : The CPU is a 66MHz NEC VR4118 series, so we would have to start : with the NetBSD hpmips port, I guess. Are you sure that isn't the Vr4181? That comes in a 66MHz model. The hpcmips port might not be a bad place to start, but it would require also lots of toolchain support, lots of other things. And if you were wanting to burn it into the unit, ala Linux, then you'd have to get the initialization code from linux, something that might be hard to obtain. I don't know how much of the system comes with source. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat May 5 14:57: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC2C37B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:57:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23052; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105052156.OAA23052@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Agenda Computing In-Reply-To: <200105052043.f45KhIb90433@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "May 5, 1 02:43:18 pm" To: imp@harmony.village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 14:56:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200105051936.MAA22695@freeway.dcfinc.com> >: "Chad R. Larson" writes: >: The CPU is a 66MHz NEC VR4118 series, so we would have to start >: with the NetBSD hpmips port, I guess. > > Are you sure that isn't the Vr4181? That comes in a 66MHz model. Yep. Sorry, my typo. > The hpcmips port might not be a bad place to start, but it would > require also lots of toolchain support, lots of other things. I'd imagine porting the toolchain items from the Agenda web site, and/or from the Linux-VR project (www.linux-vr.org). > And if you were wanting to burn it into the unit, ala Linux, then > you'd have to get the initialization code from linux, something that > might be hard to obtain. I don't know how much of the system comes > with source. The kernel is absolutely stock from the Linux-VR project. The X11 port (with custom widgets) and =all= the applications code are on a CVS repository at Agenda, accessable by members of the developer's goup. The developer's unit has 16MB of flash memory and 8MB of SDRAM. You load it up with PMON. > Warner -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message