From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 18 10:12:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC4137B419 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from melange (melange.errno.com [66.124.149.178]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by usenix.org (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAIICdP03911 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" To: Subject: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:12:27 -0800 Organization: Usenix Association MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-DCC-Usenix-Metrics: voyager 1010; IP=82 env_From=82 From=many Subject=1 Message-ID=1 Body=1 Fuz1=1 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I took "theWall"'s picobsd configuration and tried to incorporate ssh, sshd, and scp but haven't been able to figure out the necessary crunchgen configuration glop to get things to work. I can make things work by editing the crunch1.mk file directly but I want something more maintainable. Has anyone done this and want to share their results? All this is with 4.4 (-stable). For those that care there are three issues: 1. scp, ssh, and sshd are built by referencing libssh.a that's built in another directory, but never installed. I see no crunchgen mechanism for specifying a make target other than "prog". But since libssh.a isn't an executable and has no main entry point, prog isn't appropriate. 2. I don't see any way to specify that scp, ssh, and sshd should reference a libssh.a, if I can build it. Listing all the .o files with objs is problematic because they aren't in the same directory as the target so you're forced to also specify the objpath and even that leads to problems. 3. scp, ssh, and sshd aren't crunchgen-aware so you need to wack them to do the right thing when built with RELEASE_CRUNCH, etc. Not a big deal. I tried contacting the crunchgen author but perhaps there's someone currently maintaining it? I don't mind adding to crunchgen if there really is no way to do what I want. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 18 10:54:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E438937B418 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id fAIIoDv05182; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:50:13 -0800 From: Luigi Rizzo To: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG have you had a look at the "bridge" picobsd configuration on a receont (4.4/ RELENG_4) FreeBSD version ? That one works, using a specially modified version of ssh (not Openssh) which is in ports/picobsd. The main problem with the "open"s{sh,cp,shd} is that they bring in a huge amount of things, if i remember well it is over 500KB _compressed_, which is unacceptable bloat for picobsd. The second problem is that (both in the ssh in the ports, and I think also in openssh, which is derived from the same code), ssh, scp and sshd share a large number of source files, but you cannot make a library out of them because those files reference symbols in program-specific files (i.e. there are three different functions named "foo" in ssh, sshd and scp). And if you don't make a library, the code bloat is again unacceptable. The ssh port in ports/picobsd is patched to avoid the above problem. cheers luigi On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:12:27AM -0800, Sam Leffler (at Usenix) wrote: > I took "theWall"'s picobsd configuration and tried to incorporate ssh, sshd, > and scp but haven't been able to figure out the necessary crunchgen > configuration glop to get things to work. I can make things work by editing > the crunch1.mk file directly but I want something more maintainable. Has > anyone done this and want to share their results? All this is with 4.4 > (-stable). > > For those that care there are three issues: > > 1. scp, ssh, and sshd are built by referencing libssh.a that's built in > another directory, but never installed. I see no crunchgen mechanism for > specifying a make target other than "prog". But since libssh.a isn't an > executable and has no main entry point, prog isn't appropriate. > 2. I don't see any way to specify that scp, ssh, and sshd should reference a > libssh.a, if I can build it. Listing all the .o files with objs is > problematic because they aren't in the same directory as the target so > you're forced to also specify the objpath and even that leads to problems. > 3. scp, ssh, and sshd aren't crunchgen-aware so you need to wack them to do > the right thing when built with RELEASE_CRUNCH, etc. Not a big deal. > > I tried contacting the crunchgen author but perhaps there's someone > currently maintaining it? I don't mind adding to crunchgen if there really > is no way to do what I want. > > Sam > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Nov 18 12:15:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC7337B418 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from melange (melange.errno.com [66.124.149.178]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by usenix.org (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAIKFSP04650 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:15:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <05dc01c1706d$c0d1b6c0$a665a8c0@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" To: "Luigi Rizzo" Cc: References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:15:16 -0800 Organization: Usenix Association MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-DCC-Usenix-Metrics: voyager 1010; IP=86 env_From=86 From=many Subject=6 Message-ID=2 Body=2 Fuz1=2 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Rizzo" To: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" Cc: Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh > have you had a look at the "bridge" picobsd configuration on > a receont (4.4/ RELENG_4) FreeBSD version ? > That one works, using a specially modified version of > ssh (not Openssh) which is in ports/picobsd. > Thanks for the pointer; I didn't see the special version of ssh. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 1:44:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C4537B417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09561; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:44:18 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org>; from rizzo@aciri.org on Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:13AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:13AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > The main problem with the "open"s{sh,cp,shd} is that they > bring in a huge amount of things, if i remember well it is > over 500KB _compressed_, which is unacceptable bloat for pico-BSD. I think it would be worth while to try to generalize the pico-BSD scripts to deal with different target media sizes. That is, we're all worrying about what will fit on a 1.44MB floppy, when other bootable media are becoming more profligate. 2.88 Mbyte floppies, LS-120 "SuperDisk" floppies, 80 MByte mini-CDRoms, 680MByte CDRoms are all widely deployed bootable media. I still think that Pico-BSD ought to be bootable from read-only media, which might be what distinguishes it from just a pared-down RELEASE, but for some uses it might want to take up more than what a floppy can hold. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 3:30:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04E337B405 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id E0DA9492; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:29:46 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Luigi Rizzo , "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: <20011119112945.H43778@tao.org.uk> References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 02:44:18AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 02:44:18AM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:13AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > The main problem with the "open"s{sh,cp,shd} is that they > > bring in a huge amount of things, if i remember well it is > > over 500KB _compressed_, which is unacceptable bloat for pico-BSD. >=20 > I think it would be worth while to try to generalize the pico-BSD > scripts to deal with different target media sizes. On this subject, I've got a burning desire to remove picobsd/custom from -current. It's bit rotted beyond anything workable. Any objections? Joe --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjv47SkACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaeFACeIw6m88nT/wuM7XLDRygcGZwC e5UAoORc/GUMwkmstsCEmojHidFnGjNE =LqGk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0Ed1hDcWxc3B7cn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 4: 0: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.aciri.org (iguana.aciri.org [192.150.187.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDAD37B405 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 04:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by iguana.aciri.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id fAJBu0c11376; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:56:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rizzo) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:56:00 -0800 From: Luigi Rizzo To: Josef Karthauser Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: <20011119035600.A11353@iguana.aciri.org> References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20011119112945.H43778@tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011119112945.H43778@tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:29:46AM +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On this subject, I've got a burning desire to remove picobsd/custom from > -current. It's bit rotted beyond anything workable. > > Any objections? go for it! luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 9:44:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AC237B416 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from melange (melange.errno.com [66.124.149.178]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by usenix.org (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAJHiWP11904 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <07f801c17121$d67ed3e0$a665a8c0@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" To: "Chad R. Larson" , "Luigi Rizzo" Cc: References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:44:21 -0800 Organization: Usenix Association MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:13AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > The main problem with the "open"s{sh,cp,shd} is that they > > bring in a huge amount of things, if i remember well it is > > over 500KB _compressed_, which is unacceptable bloat for pico-BSD. > > I think it would be worth while to try to generalize the pico-BSD > scripts to deal with different target media sizes. > Several people have done stuff like this. One that's easily accessible is http://sourceforge.net/projects/thewall. > That is, we're all worrying about what will fit on a 1.44MB floppy, > when other bootable media are becoming more profligate. 2.88 Mbyte > floppies, LS-120 "SuperDisk" floppies, 80 MByte mini-CDRoms, > 680MByte CDRoms are all widely deployed bootable media. > I suspect most people looking at doing stuff like this are using compact flash. > I still think that Pico-BSD ought to be bootable from read-only > media, which might be what distinguishes it from just a pared-down > RELEASE, but for some uses it might want to take up more than what a > floppy can hold. > There are many things that differentiate this sort of environment, but all are very targeted. The requirements for a small memory footprint and stability in a swap-less environment are what I consider most critical. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 9:47:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from usenix.org (voyager.usenix.org [131.106.3.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2621637B417 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from melange (melange.errno.com [66.124.149.178]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by usenix.org (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id fAJHlEP11948 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:47:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <07fe01c17122$37dcd290$a665a8c0@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" To: "Luigi Rizzo" , "Josef Karthauser" Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20011119112945.H43778@tao.org.uk> <20011119035600.A11353@iguana.aciri.org> Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:47:04 -0800 Organization: Usenix Association MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luigi Rizzo" To: "Josef Karthauser" Cc: "Chad R. Larson" ; "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" ; Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:56 AM Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:29:46AM +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On this subject, I've got a burning desire to remove picobsd/custom from > > -current. It's bit rotted beyond anything workable. > > > > Any objections? > > go for it! > I'd concur. I got rather confused by the bits and pieces under picobsd that didn't work (left me wondering which stuff was worth looking at). I suggest that if something hasn't been really checked out when it's time for a release that it's a good idea to move it aside or in some way clearly tag it as having bit rot. Perhaps that message is there and I just missed it. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 10: 6:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD8737B416 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3F8933AB; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:06:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:06:28 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Chad R. Larson" , "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: <20011119180628.A49025@tao.org.uk> References: <052601c1705c$9844c370$a665a8c0@errno.com> <20011118105013.A5104@iguana.aciri.org> <20011119024418.B9406@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20011119112945.H43778@tao.org.uk> <20011119035600.A11353@iguana.aciri.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011119035600.A11353@iguana.aciri.org>; from rizzo@aciri.org on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:56:00AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:56:00AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 11:29:46AM +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On this subject, I've got a burning desire to remove picobsd/custom from > > -current. It's bit rotted beyond anything workable. > >=20 > > Any objections? >=20 > go for it! Whoops, it's gone ;0}. Joe --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjv5SiMACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaz5gCg5tCY17GT/qF9gOnYBxijgmXg IPwAoOupJ7gvX718hVirMPQoAaqq18Oc =GiNc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 10:10:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.lonetree.com (falcon.lonetree.com [207.141.55.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4EC37B405 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (thu@localhost) by falcon.lonetree.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25722 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:00:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: falcon.lonetree.com: thu owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:00:00 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Hu To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why not put it on two floppies? Adding a second floppy drive might be a reasonable thing to do.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:44:18 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Sam Leffler (at Usenix)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: crunch.conf for picobsd+openssh On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 10:50:13AM -0800, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > The main problem with the "open"s{sh,cp,shd} is that they > bring in a huge amount of things, if i remember well it is > over 500KB _compressed_, which is unacceptable bloat for pico-BSD. I think it would be worth while to try to generalize the pico-BSD scripts to deal with different target media sizes. That is, we're all worrying about what will fit on a 1.44MB floppy, when other bootable media are becoming more profligate. 2.88 Mbyte floppies, LS-120 "SuperDisk" floppies, 80 MByte mini-CDRoms, 680MByte CDRoms are all widely deployed bootable media. I still think that Pico-BSD ought to be bootable from read-only media, which might be what distinguishes it from just a pared-down RELEASE, but for some uses it might want to take up more than what a floppy can hold. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Nov 19 19:31:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from boolean.pc.my (ns2.my-freebsd.org [202.190.165.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB12D37B418 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (yus@localhost) by boolean.pc.my (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fAK3Ngt29212; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:48 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from yus@boolean.pc.my) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:23:42 +0800 (MYT) From: Yusmar Yahaya X-X-Sender: yus@jupiter.my-freebsd.org To: "Simon A. F. Lund" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet filtering firewall bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011120105655.F26384-100000@jupiter.my-freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Simon A. F. Lund wrote: > I am looking for a way to create a packet filtering firewall bridge without > a harddrive and then i stumbled over PicoBSD. My question is: Can PicoBSD > act as a bridge? And how? > In fact, yes. build picobsd using the bridge configurations and add ipfw functions to the kernel config file. You need 2 NICs for that and only one can have IP address. FreeBSD handbook page about bridging at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bridging.html Or.. check out theWall project : http://thewall.sourceforge.net -- ~Yusmar Yahaya { opensource hackbox } http://leafbug.net-gw.com (temporarily down) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Nov 22 2:25: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from infoserve.pl (infoserve.pl [212.160.132.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D367937B416 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wave (pe139.gdynia.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.77.130.139]) by infoserve.pl (Postfix) with SMTP id D31B14F for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:23:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001601c17341$0426ba80$0b140a0a@wave> From: "Poczta-Baltic" To: Subject: LAN-ISDN-LAN connection Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:32:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I would like to use PicoBSD in order to connect two branches of a company. I am havienig ISDN line and ISDN external modem. I would like to make router which will allow me to see one LAN from the other LAN. Is there a way to do it ? I only know about the dialin version of PicoBSD which is only for developers. Are you haveing any stable and tested version ? Regards, Pawel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Nov 23 13: 5:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [216.188.96.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD8137B405 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fANKrDg19429; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:53:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik To: Yusmar Yahaya Cc: "Simon A. F. Lund" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet filtering firewall bridge In-Reply-To: <20011120105655.F26384-100000@jupiter.my-freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can find a very detailed set of instructions on setting up ethernet bridges using FreeBSD here: http://www.kozubik.com/published/freebsd_bridging_ipfw.txt This is not specifically related to diskless systems, but if you read and understand that document, and also read and understand this: /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/solid-state You will be all set. This is if you want to make a hand-rolled system rather than using the PicoBSD image that has been mentioned earlier in this thread. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Yusmar Yahaya wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Simon A. F. Lund wrote: > > > I am looking for a way to create a packet filtering firewall bridge without > > a harddrive and then i stumbled over PicoBSD. My question is: Can PicoBSD > > act as a bridge? And how? > > > In fact, yes. build picobsd using the bridge configurations and add ipfw > functions to the kernel config file. You need 2 NICs for that and only one > can have IP address. > > FreeBSD handbook page about bridging at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bridging.html > > Or.. check out theWall project : http://thewall.sourceforge.net > > > -- > ~Yusmar Yahaya > { opensource hackbox } > http://leafbug.net-gw.com (temporarily down) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Nov 24 3: 6:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utcorp.net (mail.utcorp.net [146.145.135.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDD037B417; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from shorty30.khome.utcorp.net ([10.200.1.30] helo=utcorp.com) by mail.utcorp.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 167T3k-000KXM-00; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:00:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3BFF0B69.D7DCEA39@utcorp.com> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:52:25 -0500 From: Kurt Seel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD on a bootable CDROM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > On 07-Nov-01 Eduardo B.Fonseca wrote: > > Great reference! > > > > I will start studying it as well :) > > Just so you know, I've just committed a new way of booting off a CD without > using a floppy image for x86. Basically, you need to grab a loader and cdboot > from -current and stick them along with the other loader bits on a CD in /boot, > and use '-b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot' as part of your mkisofs command line. > > You can then just put the kernel and mfsroot.gz on the root directory of the CD. > Be sure to build the ISO with Rock Ridge support however so the loader can find > all of its files properly. I've never messed with -current, will it be back-ported to -stable? I'de be mighty interested in seeing how it's done, I've been having bad results with the traditional 'emulated floppy' method. Could you elaborate a bit more on the details? > > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message