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MSN 러브 http://www.msn.co.kr/love/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Dec 20 6:58:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF2E37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1543EE5 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566073F4E for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:58:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ottawa: Open Source Weekend Message-ID: <3E02E9BF.5375.536201E2@localhost> In-reply-to: <3DFDAE82.7837.3EF23B31@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Dec 2002 at 10:44, Dan Langille wrote: > There will be an Open Source Weekend in January (http://www.osw.ca/) > here in Ottawa. > > I plan to be at U of O with some BSD boxes hooked up in a small > network. I'll be able to demonstrate installs, system upgrades (e.g. > cvsup the source/port trees), port upgrades, etc. That means I'll > have a cvsup server, a mirror of the FreeBSD website, and others. If > anyone wishes to help with that, or has suggestions, please let me > know. > > Anyone wishing to create their own demonstration is asked to speak up > now and let us know your ideas. Here's the plan so far: http://www.langille.org/osw-demo.php Anyone willing to loan an OS-X machine for the demo? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Dec 21 15:14:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC2237B401; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A080843EDA; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Psp0-0003B0-00; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:18 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBLNEIPe032219; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:18 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBLNEHMk032218; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:17 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:14:17 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects Message-ID: <20021221231417.GB32071@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18Psp0-0003B0-00*t0UZgbShimw* Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like to ask this question every once in a while, since the scene is always changing and there are different people reading the various lists. How do YOU personally think the BSD's are doing as far as developer momentum, innovation, and other forms of progress that will continue to attract the needed attention to keep moving forward and keep BSD in the spotlight as a valid alternative OS? Do you think 5.0 will be a great leap forward in this regard? It seems like it will be, but Linux is also moving forward, from what I have heard, its networking is continuing to improve with every release, and it has also garnered commercial interest. Just thought I'd collect the latest opinions, news, rants, and flames on where we're going. :-) NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Dec 21 19:52:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821FD37B401; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E6543EDA; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:52:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PxAe-000MSc-00; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:52:56 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBM3qtPe034627; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:52:55 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBM3qtKm034626; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:52:55 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:48:06 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Peter Kieser Cc: freebsd-advocay@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects Message-ID: <20021222034806.GA34537@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20021221231417.GB32071@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <001101c2a948$2034b5e0$c601a8c0@silverdollar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001101c2a948$2034b5e0$c601a8c0@silverdollar> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18PxAe-000MSc-00*nARcCX5zlqQ* Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 03:24:35PM -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: | On another note, the only reason Linux is getting commerical interest is | because people don't know about FreeBSD, they also don't know about the | goods of the BSD license, if corporations were made aware of how the BSD | license can be used, I gaurntee you we would have more people jumping on the | band wagon for FreeBSD development and such. I just don't think BSD in | general gets enough publicity. I recently read that the new Mandrake licensing plans for commercial will allow modification of the source without requiring they be released. The article remarks how much that is like the BSD license. | Also, on another note. There is really no BSD "desktop" distro, where | everything is configured automatically for you, this would help for newbie | users to pick FreeBSD over Linux. What about drivers? Does Linux still have the advantage they had before of far more drivers? I haven't booted Linux in 3 years or so. ;-) jm -- My other computer is your Windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Dec 21 22:30:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5BE37B405 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dave.2u2.nu (a213-84-42-178.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.42.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA7043EE5 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lj@2u2.nu) Received: from dave.2u2.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C84736DFD; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:31:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from LUCIOMOBILE (ns1.2u2.nu [62.59.31.66]) by dave.2u2.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA8B36DEF; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:31:11 +0100 (MET) From: "L. Jankok" To: "'Jonathon McKitrick'" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:30:42 +0100 Organization: Tron Internet Consultancy Message-ID: <000001c2a983$a7233eb0$101f170a@LUCIOMOBILE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021221231417.GB32071@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the BSD's are missing one important aspect; A HCL with complete configurations from the big players like IBM, Dell and Compaq. Big costumers feel more confident to use for instance Suse Linux on their new bought proliants because Compaq tells them that their hardware is certified for that particulair distribution. Another point is support; RedHat and Suse are big names and they sell support for their Linux server distribution.. I was recently involved in a situation were a Solaris server park had to be replaced by an open source alternative. The customer wanted a support model with the best approximation to SUN's and found that in the Suse Linux certified Compaq machines with a full year of support. The customers told me that he wanted to use OpenBSD in his DMZ and FreeBSD for his Web and Proxy Servers but that he just couldn't sell this to the board because they wanted to see certified hardware (and not a HCL with hardware parts) and full support. Cheers, Lucio Jankok : -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- : Van: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG : [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG] Namens Jonathon McKitrick : Verzonden: zondag 22 december 2002 00:14 : Aan: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; freebsd-chat@freebsd.org : Onderwerp: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects : : : : I like to ask this question every once in a while, since the : scene is always changing and there are different people : reading the various lists. : : How do YOU personally think the BSD's are doing as far as : developer momentum, innovation, and other forms of progress : that will continue to attract the needed attention to keep : moving forward and keep BSD in the spotlight as a valid : alternative OS? Do you think 5.0 will be a great leap : forward in this regard? It seems like it will be, but Linux : is also moving forward, from what I have heard, its : networking is continuing to improve with every release, and : it has also garnered commercial interest. : : Just thought I'd collect the latest opinions, news, rants, : and flames on where we're going. :-) : : NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. : : jm : -- : My other computer is your windows box. : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Dec 21 23:54:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91737B401 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DA243EDC for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:54:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from silverdollar ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20021222075417.FNLE1598.priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net@silverdollar> for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:54:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c2a98f$50189140$c601a8c0@silverdollar> From: "Peter Kieser" To: Subject: Fw: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:54:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Woops, this and the other thread didn't make it to the list, typo on my part. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kieser" To: "Jonathon McKitrick" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects > I still find that FreeBSD has more _useful_ drivers then Linux, I have yet > to find a device that isn't detected by FreeBSD, except some USB stuff such > as my Logitech Webcam, and other "cheap" hardware that isn't of real use to > anyone that is running FreeBSD in the first place, still it would be nice to > see some of those drivers supported by FreeBSD, but this would lead to the > bloat of the kernel. > > On the other hand, my favourite feature of FreeBSD is the Kernel > Configuration, it has a nice GENERIC kernel, as Linux does not.. where all > the hardware you would probably need is in the configuration file already, > also even if you have everything in the kernel is really not all that > bloated. > > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathon McKitrick" > To: "Peter Kieser" > Cc: ; > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD's momentum and future prospects > > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 03:24:35PM -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: > > | On another note, the only reason Linux is getting commerical interest is > > | because people don't know about FreeBSD, they also don't know about the > > | goods of the BSD license, if corporations were made aware of how the BSD > > | license can be used, I gaurntee you we would have more people jumping on > the > > | band wagon for FreeBSD development and such. I just don't think BSD in > > | general gets enough publicity. > > > > I recently read that the new Mandrake licensing plans for commercial will > > allow modification of the source without requiring they be released. The > > article remarks how much that is like the BSD license. > > > > | Also, on another note. There is really no BSD "desktop" distro, where > > | everything is configured automatically for you, this would help for > newbie > > | users to pick FreeBSD over Linux. > > > > What about drivers? Does Linux still have the advantage they had before > of > > far more drivers? I haven't booted Linux in 3 years or so. ;-) > > > > jm > > -- > > My other computer is your Windows box. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message