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From owner-freebsd-alpha  Mon May 20  2:29:18 2002
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Dear Dexter,

> 
> With many thanks to Andrew Gallatin and Roberto de Iriarte, I got the
> Compaq Java 2 running and wrapped it up with javavmwrapper while
> watching the Red Wings take their series against the Blues.
>
You could consider reworking your steps into a port... :-)

>
> Now I'll ask another question.  With the ability to run Linux 
> Java, what
> steps are required to get the native JDK (say 1.3) to compile?  IIRC,
> the i386 port requires linux-java to build the native java, so that
> hurdle ~might~ be leaped.
>
There is a rather outdated HOWTO on my web site. http://kjkoster.org/java/ I
am planning to update my pages, but real work(tm) gets in the way. I hope
you find some useful reading under the layers of dust.

Having a bootstrapping JDK is only one step. The next step is to get the
build process running and to get the whole thing to compile. I think you
should be able to get the stage 1 compiler built. That's as far as I got,
IIRC. The stage 1 compiler then dies when it's first called (well, whaddaya
expect) and that's where you really have to start doing some work.

On the bright side, great care has been taken to make the patch sets clean
enough so that they will work regardless of OS (FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD)
and processor architecture.

If you are really serious about porting the JDK to Alpha, subscribe to
-java. You can mail your suggested patches there and you will find people
such as Nate, Greg and Bill happy to help you out if you get stuck.

> 
> If this REALLY should be directed to the freebsd-java list, let me
> know.  From monitoring that list, they seem more focused on i386 right
> now.
> 
Actually, that is only due to the fact that more people work on i386 than on
alpha. Informally, the list is being used for all three free BSD's and I'm
sure you are welcome with alpha related questions. You may need to consult
both -alpha and -java to get a good answer, though.

    Kees Jan

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	Hi

	I am trying to get the onboard sound on my as200 working, I see
that wilko has it somewhat working on a 500. I am trying the generic pcm
line but it wont let me config (config: AS200:101: devices with zero units
are not likely to be correct)

	device pcm
	device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0

I miss something?

--
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>Number:         38356
>Category:       alpha
>Synopsis:       4.5-RELEASE src/sys tree on the alpha arch is missing vital files
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       critical
>Priority:       high
>Responsible:    freebsd-alpha
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
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>Date-Required:
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>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon May 20 12:30:01 PDT 2002
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>Environment:
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>Description:
      When trying to compile a new kernel, it craps out with the
error of not having the files net.h, netif.h, bootp.h and bootparam.h,
needed by /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/netboot/../../common/dev_net.h,
now this prevents me from compiling a new kernel, I tried retriving it
from numerous ftp sites and my FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE CD, there is no pty 
support in the kernel that comes with the install, and this is putting,
a damper on the potential of this machine.
>How-To-Repeat:
      On an alpha arch machine, from /usr/src/sys, try running make depend
, and it will not even be able to complete doing so because of the 
missing header files.
>Fix:
      Distribute the necessary headerfiles needed by the netboot section
in the boot tree of the sys source code.
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:

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See

http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/kdelibs-2.2.2_3.log

Kris

P.S. Gnome and KDE3 are also still failing on alpha.

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On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:30:19PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/kdelibs-2.2.2_3.log

That one has me beat.  I was pretty sure we had kdelibs2 working
on alpha ages ago.

> P.S. Gnome and KDE3 are also still failing on alpha.

That's because the build started a few hours before I had a chance to
commit the kdebase patch.

build started at Mon May 20 01:19:59 GMT 2002
[will@puck /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/files]% grep ksysguar CVS/Entries 
/patch-ksysguard-ksysguardd-FreeBSD.apm.c/1.1/Mon May 20 06:08:51 2002//
/patch-ksysguard-ksysguardd-modules.h/1.1/Mon May 20 06:08:51 2002//

Also, the -O2 warning thing keeps popping up.  The gcc manual
page says:

              If  you  use  multiple  -O options, with or without
	      level numbers, the last such option is the one that
	      is effective.

But the alpha logs seem to indicate this is not the case.  The
kdenetwork3 build gets killed before it has the opportunity to
finish.. so I have no idea what's going on there.  The kdeutils3
error seems to require a patch for alpha.  But I don't have the
resources or time to figure out what the patch should be.

Regards.
-- 
wca

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On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:42:04PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 19:51, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:45:44PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 16:55, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> > > > > Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Please see http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1=
.0.rc2,1.log
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Gmm, very strange error, indeed ({standard input}:657: FATAL: Can=
't
> > > > > write pathsub.o: No such file or directory). Looks like a
> > > > > hardware/software problem on beta, not mozilla bug.
> > > >=20
> > > > I don't think so, because it's repeatable.
> > >=20
> > > The problem is with the -ffunction-sections compiler directive.  If we
> > > set --disable-reorder in the Makefile, this problem should be fixed.=
=20
> >=20
> > Thanks for tracking it down.  If you can give me a patch I'll test it.
>=20
> Try this out.  It disables function reorder on the AXP platform only.=20
> If sobomax agrees and the patch works, I can commit it.

That seemed to help, but now it's failing with a different error:

http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1.0.rc2,1.log

Kris

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On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 02:12, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:42:04PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 19:51, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:45:44PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 16:55, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:13:51PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
> > > > > > Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > Please see http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla=
-1.0.rc2,1.log
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Gmm, very strange error, indeed ({standard input}:657: FATAL: C=
an't
> > > > > > write pathsub.o: No such file or directory). Looks like a
> > > > > > hardware/software problem on beta, not mozilla bug.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > I don't think so, because it's repeatable.
> > > >=20
> > > > The problem is with the -ffunction-sections compiler directive.  If=
 we
> > > > set --disable-reorder in the Makefile, this problem should be fixed=
.=20
> > >=20
> > > Thanks for tracking it down.  If you can give me a patch I'll test it=
.
> >=20
> > Try this out.  It disables function reorder on the AXP platform only.=20
> > If sobomax agrees and the patch works, I can commit it.
>=20
> That seemed to help, but now it's failing with a different error:
>=20
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1.0.rc2,1.log

Unless Maxim beats me to it, I'll look at this later today.  My laptop's
drive fried just as I finished my gdm2 port :-(.

Joe

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Will Andrews writes:
 > finish.. so I have no idea what's going on there.  The kdeutils3
 > error seems to require a patch for alpha.  But I don't have the
 > resources or time to figure out what the patch should be.

I have it building.  Can you approve the following patch, please?

It simply yanks klaptopdaemon support for alpha.  I can't see what use
its features would be on a platform which doesn't support power mgmnt,
so it seems simplest to just yank it.

Drew


Index: Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/misc/kdeutils3/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.65
diff -u -r1.65 Makefile
--- Makefile	21 Apr 2002 23:45:55 -0000	1.65
+++ Makefile	21 May 2002 14:48:48 -0000
@@ -23,4 +23,15 @@
 USE_GMAKE=	yes
 MAN1=		efax.1 efix.1 fax.1
 
+#klaptop doesn't like alpha because alpha doesn't support apm
+.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha"
+post-extract:
+	mv ${WRKSRC}/subdirs ${WRKSRC}/subdirs.orig
+	grep -v klaptopdaemon ${WRKSRC}/subdirs.orig > ${WRKSRC}/subdirs
+
+PLIST_SUB+=	ALPHA_NA="@comment "
+.else
+PLIST_SUB+=	ALPHA_NA=""
+.endif
+
 .include <bsd.port.mk>
Index: pkg-plist
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/misc/kdeutils3/pkg-plist,v
retrieving revision 1.24
diff -u -r1.24 pkg-plist
--- pkg-plist	23 Apr 2002 00:13:09 -0000	1.24
+++ pkg-plist	21 May 2002 14:45:02 -0000
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
 bin/kfloppy
 bin/khexedit
 bin/kjots
-bin/klaptopdaemon
+%%ALPHA_NA%%bin/klaptopdaemon
 bin/kljettool
 bin/klpq
 bin/klprfax
@@ -30,24 +30,24 @@
 lib/kde3/kcharselectapplet.so.1
 lib/kde3/kcm_kdf.la
 lib/kde3/kcm_kdf.so
-lib/kde3/kcm_laptop.la
-lib/kde3/kcm_laptop.so
+%%ALPHA_NA%%lib/kde3/kcm_laptop.la
+%%ALPHA_NA%%lib/kde3/kcm_laptop.so
 lib/kde3/kedit.la
 lib/kde3/kedit.so
 lib/kde3/libkregexpeditorgui.la
 lib/kde3/libkregexpeditorgui.so
-lib/klaptopdaemon.la
-lib/klaptopdaemon.so
+%%ALPHA_NA%%lib/klaptopdaemon.la
+%%ALPHA_NA%%lib/klaptopdaemon.so
 lib/libark.la
 lib/libark.so
 lib/libark.so.1
 share/applnk/Editors/KEdit.desktop
 share/applnk/Settings/Information/kcmdf.desktop
-share/applnk/Settings/Information/pcmcia.desktop
-share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/battery.desktop
-share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/bwarning.desktop
-share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/cwarning.desktop
-share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/power.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/applnk/Settings/Information/pcmcia.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/battery.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/bwarning.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/cwarning.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/applnk/Settings/PowerControl/power.desktop
 share/applnk/System/kdf.desktop
 share/applnk/System/kwikdisk.desktop
 share/applnk/Utilities/KCharSelect.desktop
@@ -81,11 +81,11 @@
 share/apps/khexedit/toolbar/hexwrite.png
 share/apps/kicker/applets/kcharselectapplet.desktop
 share/apps/kjots/pics/filedel.png
-share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_charge.png
-share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_nobattery.png
-share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_nocharge.png
-share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/power.png
-share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/32x32/actions/power.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_charge.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_nobattery.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/laptop_nocharge.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/power.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/apps/klaptopdaemon/icons/hicolor/32x32/actions/power.png
 share/apps/kljettool/pics/kljetlogo.png
 share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/arkservicemenu.desktop
 share/apps/kregexpeditor/pics/altn.png
@@ -185,13 +185,13 @@
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kfloppy.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/khexedit.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kjots.png
-share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/klaptopdaemon.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/klaptopdaemon.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kljettool.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/klpq.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/klprfax.png
 share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kwikdisk.png
-share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/laptop_battery.png
-share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/laptop_battery.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/ark.png
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kcalc.png
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kcmdf.png
@@ -204,8 +204,8 @@
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/klpq.png
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/klprfax.png
 share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kwikdisk.png
-share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/laptop_battery.png
-share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/laptop_battery.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/ark.png
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kcalc.png
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kcharselect.png
@@ -215,12 +215,12 @@
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kjots.png
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kljettool.png
 share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/klpq.png
-share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/laptop_battery.png
-share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/laptop_battery.png
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/laptop_pcmcia.png
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 share/services/arkpart.desktop
-share/services/klaptopdaemon.desktop
+%%ALPHA_NA%%share/services/klaptopdaemon.desktop
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:50:49AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> I have it building.  Can you approve the following patch, please?

Approved.  Thanks for looking at this!  :)

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Will Andrews writes:
 > 
 > But the alpha logs seem to indicate this is not the case.  The
 > kdenetwork3 build gets killed before it has the opportunity to
 > finish.. so I have no idea what's going on there.  The kdeutils3

That's quite bizzare.  The port builds just fine on my desktop with no
patches required.  I didn't even need to munge the plist.

Drew

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On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:12:29PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> That seemed to help, but now it's failing with a different error:
> 
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1.0.rc2,1.log


relevant lines:
	zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
	zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)

zip error: Zip file structure invalid (../en-US.jar)
Error invoking zip: 3 at ../../../config/make-jars.pl line 82, <STDIN> chunk 2.
+++ making chrome /a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src  => ../../../dist/bin/chrome/en-US.jar
gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2
gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src'


There is a problem with the infozip code & gcc .  Using the precompiled zip for
Dec Unix will get you past this step.

I've gotten further but not complete.

regards,
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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Andrew Elmore wrote:

> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:12:29PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > That seemed to help, but now it's failing with a different error:
> >
> > http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1.0.rc2,1.log
>
>
> relevant lines:
> 	zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
> 	zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)
>
> zip error: Zip file structure invalid (../en-US.jar)
> Error invoking zip: 3 at ../../../config/make-jars.pl line 82, <STDIN> chunk 2.
> +++ making chrome /a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src  => ../../../dist/bin/chrome/en-US.jar
> gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2
> gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src'
>
>
> There is a problem with the infozip code & gcc .  Using the precompiled zip for
> Dec Unix will get you past this step.

Thanks for the tip.  I thought it might have something to do with zip.

>
> I've gotten further but not complete.

Where does it die for you?

Joe

>
> regards,
> Andrew
>
>
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Fails due to lack of APM support.

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Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to get
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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to get
> XFree86-4 to build, and a total of 5111 packages, but gnome and kde
> are still failing, as well as many other packages.  I'm going to
> upload what I have and then start another build run in case some have
> been fixed already.
>
> Kris

	Which version of gnome? I have had 1.4 running for quite some time
now.

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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:52:59PM -0400, Paul Halliday wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>=20
> > Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to get
> > XFree86-4 to build, and a total of 5111 packages, but gnome and kde
> > are still failing, as well as many other packages.  I'm going to
> > upload what I have and then start another build run in case some have
> > been fixed already.
> >
> > Kris
>=20
> 	Which version of gnome? I have had 1.4 running for quite some time
> now.

See http://beta.freebsd.org/.  One road-block is that mozilla is
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If somebody can take me by the hand & tell me how to build & install
ports in a sandbox, I might be able to look into the gnome issuse.
(I use gnome as my desktop &  I don't want to collide with my working
desktop).


As for KDE, I'm most of the way through koffice so far, no problems
yet.  I don't know why kdenetwork is blowing up for you.  How much
memory & swap do you have on the boxes you are building on?

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:52:59PM -0400, Paul Halliday wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >
> > > Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to get
> > > XFree86-4 to build, and a total of 5111 packages, but gnome and kde
> > > are still failing, as well as many other packages.  I'm going to
> > > upload what I have and then start another build run in case some have
> > > been fixed already.
> > >
> > > Kris
> >
> > 	Which version of gnome? I have had 1.4 running for quite some time
> > now.
>
> See http://beta.freebsd.org/.  One road-block is that mozilla is

	Yeah I noticed that. AFAIK it is nautilus that wants to use mozilla and
that was tabbed into the package.
 	Nothing wrong with gnome-mc and it builds fine.
 Could this be labelled as a nautilus issue?

> failing to build.  There may be other obstacles too.
>
> Kris
>
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> If somebody can take me by the hand & tell me how to build & install
> ports in a sandbox, I might be able to look into the gnome issuse.
> (I use gnome as my desktop &  I don't want to collide with my working
> desktop).

A simple way to do it is to installworld into a subdirectory with

make DESTDIR=3D/usr/chroot installworld

(or unpack a binary distribution if you have one), then do a chroot or
jail to restrict into it and build ports normally.  You can save time
by using pkg_add within the jail to install dependencies you don't
want to rebuild them.

> As for KDE, I'm most of the way through koffice so far, no problems
> yet.  I don't know why kdenetwork is blowing up for you.  How much
> memory & swap do you have on the boxes you are building on?

Hmm, that build log does look weird.  I'll try rebuilding it again.

The build machines have 128MB RAM and 1GB swap (which they don't seem
to be using excessively).  I have had problems with the hard disks
filling up, but I don't think that happened here.

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> Fails due to lack of APM support.

I have a patch for this that will basically add an extra patch to disable
the battery applet if ${ARCH} == "alpha".  I'm testing it now.  If it
works, gnomeapplets2 should probably get the same treatment.

Joe

>
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/gnomeapplets-1.4.0.5_1.log
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 07:06:38PM -0400, Paul Halliday wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>=20
> > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:52:59PM -0400, Paul Halliday wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > >
> > > > Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to =
get
> > > > XFree86-4 to build, and a total of 5111 packages, but gnome and kde
> > > > are still failing, as well as many other packages.  I'm going to
> > > > upload what I have and then start another build run in case some ha=
ve
> > > > been fixed already.
> > > >
> > > > Kris
> > >
> > > 	Which version of gnome? I have had 1.4 running for quite some time
> > > now.
> >
> > See http://beta.freebsd.org/.  One road-block is that mozilla is
>=20
> 	Yeah I noticed that. AFAIK it is nautilus that wants to use mozilla and
> that was tabbed into the package.
>  	Nothing wrong with gnome-mc and it builds fine.
>  Could this be labelled as a nautilus issue?

It's probably more accurately labelled as a mozilla issue ;-) I don't
know the justification for it appearing in the gnome dependency chain
however.  Someone is apparently looking at the problem though.

Kris

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Just some things I figured out while
playing with my 164SX-533mhz.

Ide :
the onboard ide stinks ( max 6-8mb ), get a promise
card ( 20mb hardware max ). Be aware that udma66 cable
may cause problems, an udma33 cable helped.

Scsi :
There is quite a lot of confusion regarding bootable scsi adaptors.
I did some tests with the latest firmware ( 5.8 ) leading to the
following conclusions.
Adaptec 2924uw works, anything beyond that ( 2924u2, 29160 ) isn't
recognised. LSI/Symbios 895 works. Although you might want to
play with camcontrol to properly set u2 speed ( or find a pc
somewhere to properly config it ). Which makes the lsi the only
easily available bootable u2 adaptor. Note that I have only
tested a card that I got second hand which claims to be a
genuine lsi, you're on your own with tekram/clones.

Memory :
The board is capable of handling 1024mb of ram ( as opposed to 512mb ).
I have 4x 256mb ecc in mine. Regular pc133 dimms. I wouldn't bet
on 512mb dimms though. And your luck with 256mb dimms may have
something to do with the amount of chips per module ( don't blame
me if it doesn't work for you ).

Nics :
Beware of dual port nic's with pci bridge chips.
I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and
fbsd kernel crashes during boot ).

Might be useful info for hardware.txt :)

-- 
Sten Spans

  "What does one do with ones money,
   when there is no more empty rackspace ?"


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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> Fails due to lack of APM support.
>
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/gnomeapplets-1.4.0.5_1.log

Okay, I committed my patches to fix this.  If anyone has a more elegant
solution, please feel free to do it.

Joe

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:
> Scsi :
> recognised. LSI/Symbios 895 works. Although you might want to
...
> genuine lsi, you're on your own with tekram/clones.

I do not know of any Symbios 89[56] based cards that are not bootable.
In other words, all Symbios 89[56] based cards that I know of are
bootable.  I personally use a Tekram DC-390u2w.


> I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and

Alpha's do not have(use) openboot -- Sun and PCI Macs do.
Alpha's have SRM for the firmware.

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Older f/w for the 164 probably doesn't grok 896. Or even an 850.


On Tue, 21 May 2002, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:
> > Scsi :
> > recognised. LSI/Symbios 895 works. Although you might want to
> ...
> > genuine lsi, you're on your own with tekram/clones.
> 
> I do not know of any Symbios 89[56] based cards that are not bootable.
> In other words, all Symbios 89[56] based cards that I know of are
> bootable.  I personally use a Tekram DC-390u2w.
> 
> 
> > I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and
> 
> Alpha's do not have(use) openboot -- Sun and PCI Macs do.
> Alpha's have SRM for the firmware.
> 
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 07:12:31PM -0400, Joe Clarke wrote:
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> the battery applet if ${ARCH} == "alpha".  I'm testing it now.  If it

Please make it the other way around -- explicitly state which arches have
APM.

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 07:12:31PM -0400, Joe Clarke wrote:
> > I have a patch for this that will basically add an extra patch to disable
> > the battery applet if ${ARCH} == "alpha".  I'm testing it now.  If it
>
> Please make it the other way around -- explicitly state which arches have
> APM.

Done.  Thanks for the suggestion.  I disabled battery for all platforms
but i386.

Joe

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:
> > Scsi :
> > recognised. LSI/Symbios 895 works. Although you might want to
> ...
> > genuine lsi, you're on your own with tekram/clones.
>
> I do not know of any Symbios 89[56] based cards that are not bootable.
> In other words, all Symbios 89[56] based cards that I know of are
> bootable.  I personally use a Tekram DC-390u2w.

Please put this in the hardware notes.
All I could find was succes with a noname 895.
It's nice to know that lsi works when you're trying
to escape the clutches of the onboard ide :)

> > I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and
>
> Alpha's do not have(use) openboot -- Sun and PCI Macs do.
> Alpha's have SRM for the firmware.

/me stands corrected
will go to sleep earlier :)

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:


I'll update the hardware notes (it isme who wrote it).

Wilko
> 
> Just some things I figured out while
> playing with my 164SX-533mhz.
> 
> Ide :

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Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:

> Nics :
> Beware of dual port nic's with pci bridge chips.
> I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and
> fbsd kernel crashes during boot ).

I have a DEC card that has 1*de+2*isp (!) behind a PCI bridge.  SRM
happily recognizes all of these devices.  I think a generic warning
about cards using PCI-PCI bridges is inappropriate.

(For those who notice that I've never mentioned a PC164SX before:
It's running OpenBSD.)

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:54:47AM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Nics :
> > Beware of dual port nic's with pci bridge chips.
> > I got one that really kills my alpha ( openboot errors and
> > fbsd kernel crashes during boot ).
> 
> I have a DEC card that has 1*de+2*isp (!) behind a PCI bridge.  SRM
> happily recognizes all of these devices.  I think a generic warning
> about cards using PCI-PCI bridges is inappropriate.

Some SRM versions only seem to intialize known chips behind bridges.

> (For those who notice that I've never mentioned a PC164SX before:
> It's running OpenBSD.)

And NetBSD has PCI initialisation code - possibly OpenBSD too.

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Paul, 

Did you build gnome from ports? Because I *just* installed 4.5_R from
scratch on a box and it failed when building from the ports. KDE failed as
well.

Enlightenment is the first one that I tried from the ports that worked.

AJ

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> Packages on alpha are still in pretty poor shape.  I've managed to get
> XFree86-4 to build, and a total of 5111 packages, but gnome and kde
> are still failing, as well as many other packages.  I'm going to
> upload what I have and then start another build run in case some have
> been fixed already.
>
> Kris

	Which version of gnome? I have had 1.4 running for quite some time
now.

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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Paul, 
 > 
 > Did you build gnome from ports? Because I *just* installed 4.5_R from
 > scratch on a box and it failed when building from the ports. KDE failed as
 > well.
 > 

I assume you're talking about the ports tree that installed with 4.5?
Things have been updated quite a bit since then.  The people here are
talking about fixing alpha related problems so that alpha
ports/packages support in 4.6 is not in such bad shape as you found it
to be in for 4.5.

Speaking of ports.. I've got a patch which I think will get
kdemultimedia3 building...

Drew

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Howdy crew,

I have just installed a fresh copy of FreeBSD 4.5 Release-Mini-Alpha
on my Alpha pws 500au.

I have two disks on the pws.

1. dkc0
2. dkc100

I have Tru64 5.1a installed on the 1st HD (dkc0). I can boot from this
device
from the SRM and Tru64 loads fine.

I have installed FreeBSD on disk 2 (dkc100). All *seemed* to install fine.
However, when I do a:

>>> boot dkc100

from the SRM I get this error:

       ........
       Loading /boot/loader
       Can't open file /boot/loader

       halted CPU 0

       >>>

When I come to think of it, in the install process I was never asked about a
boot loader.
Is this normal ?
Does something manually have to be done to get it to boot ?
Is the install process meant to load a boot loader ?

Need the help boys ;-(

Thanks

 - Alex




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Andrew,

IIRC, I installed BSD from the CD, I first installed bash, XFree86-4,
cvsup-without-gui, and then cvsupped my stable-supfile, then did a make
world, then updated my ports tree. I see all the mails flying back and
forth, I wasn't sure if these patches/fixes were being added to the ports
tree or if they were just hanging out there, so to speak. Sorry about that,
my bad.

I did a uname and I am running 4.5 STABLE, now, a buddy of mine is running
4.6 PRERELEASE, hmmm, maybe there is something I have missed in my supfiles.

kdemultimedia3, I have not tried to build kde3 yet, I have been just
watching the gnome emails, waiting to see if ports, etc. are getting
updated. I would then try to build and give the thumbs up/down, as it were.

I saw a couple emails from you about kde3 builds, did you ever get that
working on alpha?

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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Paul, 
 > 
 > Did you build gnome from ports? Because I *just* installed 4.5_R from
 > scratch on a box and it failed when building from the ports. KDE failed
as
 > well.
 > 

I assume you're talking about the ports tree that installed with 4.5?
Things have been updated quite a bit since then.  The people here are
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to be in for 4.5.

Speaking of ports.. I've got a patch which I think will get
kdemultimedia3 building...

Drew

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 >        Loading /boot/loader
 >        Can't open file /boot/loader
 > 
 >        halted CPU 0
 > 
 >        >>>
 > 
 > When I come to think of it, in the install process I was never asked about a
 > boot loader.
 > Is this normal ?
 > Does something manually have to be done to get it to boot ?
 > Is the install process meant to load a boot loader ?
 > 
 > Need the help boys ;-(

The root partition MUST be first on the disk, in the "a" partition.


Drew

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I did that move once, the alpha didn't like the / partition except in the
"a" partition.

I thought I could be cool and stick swap in front of / once, with not so
good results.

Maybe a re-install is in order.

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Howdy crew,

I have just installed a fresh copy of FreeBSD 4.5 Release-Mini-Alpha
on my Alpha pws 500au.

I have two disks on the pws.

1. dkc0
2. dkc100

I have Tru64 5.1a installed on the 1st HD (dkc0). I can boot from this
device
from the SRM and Tru64 loads fine.

I have installed FreeBSD on disk 2 (dkc100). All *seemed* to install fine.
However, when I do a:

>>> boot dkc100

from the SRM I get this error:

       ........
       Loading /boot/loader
       Can't open file /boot/loader

       halted CPU 0

       >>>

When I come to think of it, in the install process I was never asked about a
boot loader.
Is this normal ?
Does something manually have to be done to get it to boot ?
Is the install process meant to load a boot loader ?

Need the help boys ;-(

Thanks

 - Alex




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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:35:42AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> Speaking of ports.. I've got a patch which I think will get
> kdemultimedia3 building...

Where?  I want to review/approve.  :)

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Will Andrews writes:
 > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:35:42AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
 > > Speaking of ports.. I've got a patch which I think will get
 > > kdemultimedia3 building...
 > 
 > Where?  I want to review/approve.  :)

OK.  Here it is.

On 4.x only, there are only inline byte swap routines for x86.
On alpha, they're called htons and htonl.

On 5.x, this is standardized across all platforms, so this fix is only
for < 5.0

Cheers,

Drew



Index: files/patch-kmidi-config.h
===================================================================
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retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 patch-kmidi-config.h
--- files/patch-kmidi-config.h	29 Apr 2002 07:53:39 -0000	1.1
+++ files/patch-kmidi-config.h	22 May 2002 14:37:44 -0000
@@ -1,8 +1,16 @@
---- ./kmidi/config.h.old	Sun Apr 28 23:33:03 2002
-+++ ./kmidi/config.h	Sun Apr 28 23:33:55 2002
-@@ -264,8 +264,8 @@
+--- kmidi/config.h.orig	Sun Oct 21 20:07:36 2001
++++ kmidi/config.h	Wed May 22 10:37:04 2002
+@@ -261,11 +261,16 @@
+ 	/* And a better idea would be to attempt the various asm 
+ 	optimizations ourselves IMO, but hey, this is free */
+ 	#if __FreeBSD_version <= 500000
++#if defined (__i386__)
  		#define XCHG_SHORT(x) __byte_swap_word(x)
  		#define XCHG_LONG(x) __byte_swap_long(x)
++#else
++		#define XCHG_SHORT(x) htons(x)
++		#define XCHG_LONG(x) htonl(x)
++#endif
  	#else
 -		#define XCHG_SHORT(x) __uint8_swap_uint16(x)
 -		#define XCHG_LONG(x) __uint8_swap_uint32(x)

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So I will have to upgrade to 5.0 CURRENT for this to work? Oh boy..

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Will Andrews writes:
 > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:35:42AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
 > > Speaking of ports.. I've got a patch which I think will get
 > > kdemultimedia3 building...
 > 
 > Where?  I want to review/approve.  :)

OK.  Here it is.

On 4.x only, there are only inline byte swap routines for x86.
On alpha, they're called htons and htonl.

On 5.x, this is standardized across all platforms, so this fix is only
for < 5.0

Cheers,

Drew



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-+++ ./kmidi/config.h	Sun Apr 28 23:33:55 2002
-@@ -264,8 +264,8 @@
+--- kmidi/config.h.orig	Sun Oct 21 20:07:36 2001
++++ kmidi/config.h	Wed May 22 10:37:04 2002
+@@ -261,11 +261,16 @@
+ 	/* And a better idea would be to attempt the various asm 
+ 	optimizations ourselves IMO, but hey, this is free */
+ 	#if __FreeBSD_version <= 500000
++#if defined (__i386__)
  		#define XCHG_SHORT(x) __byte_swap_word(x)
  		#define XCHG_LONG(x) __byte_swap_long(x)
++#else
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++		#define XCHG_LONG(x) htonl(x)
++#endif
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> Some SRM versions only seem to intialize known chips behind bridges.
> 
> > (For those who notice that I've never mentioned a PC164SX before:
> > It's running OpenBSD.)
> 
> And NetBSD has PCI initialisation code - possibly OpenBSD too.
And linux.


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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > So I will have to upgrade to 5.0 CURRENT for this to work? Oh boy..

I'm saying the patch is only needed for 4.x systems.


Drew

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> OK.  Here it is.
> 
> On 4.x only, there are only inline byte swap routines for x86.
> On alpha, they're called htons and htonl.
> 
> On 5.x, this is standardized across all platforms, so this fix is only
> for < 5.0

Can you embed this fact in the patch itself so I don't have to
hack the Makefile only to apply the patch when OSVERSION < 500000?
If you do that you can commit just the patch itself.  (Unless I
am misunderstanding and this patch would not cause problems on 5.0?)

Thanks,
-- 
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Will Andrews writes:
 > On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
 > > OK.  Here it is.
 > > 
 > > On 4.x only, there are only inline byte swap routines for x86.
 > > On alpha, they're called htons and htonl.
 > > 
 > > On 5.x, this is standardized across all platforms, so this fix is only
 > > for < 5.0
 > 
 > Can you embed this fact in the patch itself so I don't have to
 > hack the Makefile only to apply the patch when OSVERSION < 500000?
 > If you do that you can commit just the patch itself.  (Unless I
 > am misunderstanding and this patch would not cause problems on 5.0?)

You're misunderstanding.  The existing patch does different things for
5.x so as to use the standard __bswapSIZE(x) inline for 5.x.  So there is
already a check for __FreeBSD_version <= 500000.  I'm just adding code
to the (currently) i386 centric code for 4.x.

Since its not clear from the diff, here's the code, with my additions
prefaced by "NEW"

        #if __FreeBSD_version <= 500000
NEW #if defined (__i386__)
                #define XCHG_SHORT(x) __byte_swap_word(x)
                #define XCHG_LONG(x) __byte_swap_long(x)
NEW #else
NEW              #define XCHG_SHORT(x) htons(x)
NEW              #define XCHG_LONG(x) htonl(x)
NEW #endif
        #else
                #define XCHG_SHORT(x) __bswap16(x)
                #define XCHG_LONG(x) __bswap32(x)
        #endif
#else



Cheers,

Drew

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:20:05PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> You're misunderstanding.  The existing patch does different things for
> 5.x so as to use the standard __bswapSIZE(x) inline for 5.x.  So there is
> already a check for __FreeBSD_version <= 500000.  I'm just adding code
> to the (currently) i386 centric code for 4.x.

OK, I understand now.  This patch is approved.  Thanks!  :)

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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:
> 
> Just some things I figured out while
> playing with my 164SX-533mhz.
> 
> Ide :
> the onboard ide stinks ( max 6-8mb ), get a promise
> card ( 20mb hardware max ). Be aware that udma66 cable
> may cause problems, an udma33 cable helped.
> 
> Scsi :
> There is quite a lot of confusion regarding bootable scsi adaptors.
> I did some tests with the latest firmware ( 5.8 ) leading to the
> following conclusions.
> Adaptec 2924uw works, anything beyond that ( 2924u2, 29160 ) isn't

2924? Or do you mean 2940?

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On Wed, 22 May 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:15:16AM +0200, Sten wrote:
> >
> > Just some things I figured out while
> > playing with my 164SX-533mhz.
> >
> > Ide :
> > the onboard ide stinks ( max 6-8mb ), get a promise
> > card ( 20mb hardware max ). Be aware that udma66 cable
> > may cause problems, an udma33 cable helped.
> >
> > Scsi :
> > There is quite a lot of confusion regarding bootable scsi adaptors.
> > I did some tests with the latest firmware ( 5.8 ) leading to the
> > following conclusions.
> > Adaptec 2924uw works, anything beyond that ( 2924u2, 29160 ) isn't
>
> 2924? Or do you mean 2940?

argh :) 2940.

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The -ffast-math gcc option is broken on Alpha because we don't build
or install crtfastmath.o as part of csu.  Building & installing it
works, but doesn't help because it references __ieee_set_fp_control
which doesn't exist.  This breaks (at least) the audio/mpg123 port,
though I must admit I don't know if it ever worked.

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> Paul,
>
> Did you build gnome from ports? Because I *just* installed 4.5_R from
> scratch on a box and it failed when building from the ports. KDE failed
as
> well.

	This is all that is installed I grabbed whatever ports tarball
was currently in the tree when I cvsup'd to stable.

drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 23 12:32 dia-gnome-0.88.1_1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 22 18:05 gnomeaudio-1.4.0
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 23 12:46 gnomebasic-0.0.20
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov  9  2001 gnomecanvas-0.11.0_1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 22 18:05 gnomecontrolcenter-1.4.0.1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov 10  2001 gnomecore-1.4.0.4_2
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov  9  2001 gnomedb-0.2.93
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 22 23:08 gnomegames-1.4.0.3
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov  9  2001 gnomelibs-1.4.1.2_1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 22 18:18 gnomemc-4.5.55
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov 10  2001 gnomemedia-1.2.3
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov  9  2001 gnomeprint-0.30
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov 10  2001 gnomeuserdocs-1.4.1.1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov 10  2001 gnomeutils-1.4.1
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Nov  9  2001 gnomevfs-1.0.2
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Feb 24 18:03 icewm-gnome-1.0.9_2
drwxr-xr-x    2 root  wheel    512 Jan 22 16:54 sawfish-gnome-1.0.1

[05:59pm]-root@pandora~# uname -a
FreeBSD pandora.alpha.box 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Sun Feb 24
05:16:30
EST 2002     root@pandora.alpha.box:/usr/src/sys/compile/PC164  alpha

	The only problem I had was typical .po garbage. Just got rid of
the offending .po and it built fine.

as a side note, it does crash x every once in a while, something on the
linux emu side i guess.


Paul.


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mmm...well thats what I have done put the swap as the a partition.
Time to reinstall ;)

Thanks

 - aW



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> I did that move once, the alpha didn't like the / partition except in the
> "a" partition.
>
> I thought I could be cool and stick swap in front of / once, with not so
> good results.
>
> Maybe a re-install is in order.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex [mailto:lex@adelaide.on.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: "Can't open file /boot/loader" ?
>
>
> Howdy crew,
>
> I have just installed a fresh copy of FreeBSD 4.5 Release-Mini-Alpha
> on my Alpha pws 500au.
>
> I have two disks on the pws.
>
> 1. dkc0
> 2. dkc100
>
> I have Tru64 5.1a installed on the 1st HD (dkc0). I can boot from this
> device
> from the SRM and Tru64 loads fine.
>
> I have installed FreeBSD on disk 2 (dkc100). All *seemed* to install fine.
> However, when I do a:
>
> >>> boot dkc100
>
> from the SRM I get this error:
>
>        ........
>        Loading /boot/loader
>        Can't open file /boot/loader
>
>        halted CPU 0
>
>        >>>
>
> When I come to think of it, in the install process I was never asked about
a
> boot loader.
> Is this normal ?
> Does something manually have to be done to get it to boot ?
> Is the install process meant to load a boot loader ?
>
> Need the help boys ;-(
>
> Thanks
>
>  - Alex
>
>
>
>
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Hello all,

I have just powered on a DigitalServer 5305 and I am trying to install
4.5-RELEASE onto it. Up on booting the CD, I get this error message:

fatal kernel trap: 
trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) 
a0 = 0x0 a1 = 0x1 
a2 = 0xffffffffffffffff 
pc = 0x0 
ra = 0xfffffc00004b16cc 
curproc = 0 
panic: trap 
Uptime: 0s 

Now, before everyone gets excited, I was searching the mailing lists, google
groups, etc. for this problem. I noticed that Mr. Gallatin created a patch
for this problem, but the particular thread I was reading was from May of
2000, it was also talking about 4.3 being the latest release as well. This
is just an FYI more or less that the fix to let BSD install on this machine
may be broken. Far be it from me to point fingers, I could very well be
doing something very wrong here.

This CD is a freshly downloaded and burned copy of 4.5 RELEASE. I am now
downloading the 5.0 Preview ISO and I am going to attempt to install it, for
kicks and grins if anything. I will let everyone know if it works or not. 

Thanks,

AJ Schroeder


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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Hello all,
 > 
 > I have just powered on a DigitalServer 5305 and I am trying to install
 > 4.5-RELEASE onto it. Up on booting the CD, I get this error message:
 > 
 > fatal kernel trap: 
 > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) 
 > a0 = 0x0 a1 = 0x1 
 > a2 = 0xffffffffffffffff 
 > pc = 0x0 
 > ra = 0xfffffc00004b16cc 
 > curproc = 0 
 > panic: trap 
 > Uptime: 0s 
 > 

A PC of 0x0 implies that something followed a NULL function pointer. 
There have been sporadic reports of a potentially similar problem by
people who netboot.

Does it help if you unplug the network cable durning boot?

How soon after booting do you see this?  Can you show us the rest of
the boot messages you see, please?


Drew


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Well, I will have to see if I have a cable that will allow me to capture the
output via serial port on my other PC so that I can get the console out-put
for you. I wish I had a DECServer right about now. Any other ways to grab
console output in case I do not have a cable?

The error code that I included was one, and there was one other one about
BSD complaining of boot flags, I issued a 'set boot_osflags a' and that went
away.

I have not tried unplugging the network cable, I thought that was an NT
trick. :) I do know however, that ewa0 is set in the SRM for Auto-Negotiate.
I will try and unplug the cable and give it a whirl.

Thanks for the input,

AJ Schroeder

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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Hello all,
 > 
 > I have just powered on a DigitalServer 5305 and I am trying to install
 > 4.5-RELEASE onto it. Up on booting the CD, I get this error message:
 > 
 > fatal kernel trap: 
 > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) 
 > a0 = 0x0 a1 = 0x1 
 > a2 = 0xffffffffffffffff 
 > pc = 0x0 
 > ra = 0xfffffc00004b16cc 
 > curproc = 0 
 > panic: trap 
 > Uptime: 0s 
 > 

A PC of 0x0 implies that something followed a NULL function pointer. 
There have been sporadic reports of a potentially similar problem by
people who netboot.

Does it help if you unplug the network cable durning boot?

How soon after booting do you see this?  Can you show us the rest of
the boot messages you see, please?


Drew


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Hi,

I don't normally post to this list though I am a regular on the Redhat AXP
list.

I have a UP1100 Samsung Alpha 600mhz motherboard + cpu for sale for
$US600 + shipping.

http://samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/alpha_cpu/up1100/up1100.htm


At least I did have however after purchasing it off of Ebay the guy
selling it in the US had trouble sending it to me in the UK. So it's
up for sale again however the catch is that you must be in the US or
if your abroad then you must have it shipped to someone else in the US
who can then send it to you.

If your interested then email me at the address below.


cheers,


Peter Watkinson
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I forgot to add obo :-)


Peter Watkinson
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't normally post to this list though I am a regular on the Redhat AXP
> list.
>
> I have a UP1100 Samsung Alpha 600mhz motherboard + cpu for sale for
> $US600 + shipping.
>
> http://samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/alpha_cpu/up1100/up1100.htm
>
>
> At least I did have however after purchasing it off of Ebay the guy
> selling it in the US had trouble sending it to me in the UK. So it's
> up for sale again however the catch is that you must be in the US or
> if your abroad then you must have it shipped to someone else in the US
> who can then send it to you.
>
> If your interested then email me at the address below.
>
>
> cheers,
>
>
> Peter Watkinson
> peter.watkinson1@ntlworld.com
> Ebay the Mother of Invention ;-)
>
>
>
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:35:55PM -0400, Joe Clarke wrote:
> 
> Where does it die for you?

This is where it dies for me: 
/usr/bin/strip TestGtkEmbedChild
../../../../config/nsinstall -R -m 755 TestGtkEmbed TestGtkEmbedNotebook TestGtkEmbedSocket TestGtkEmbedChild ../../../../dist/bin
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/embedding/browser/gtk/tests'
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla'
/usr/bin/sed -e "s;@PREFIX@;/usr/X11R6;g"  /usr/ports/www/mozilla/files/mozilla.sh >/usr/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/mozilla
(cd /usr/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/dist/bin;  /usr/bin/env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=. ./regxpcom;  echo skin,install,select,classic/1.0 >> chrome/installed-chrome.txt;  echo locale,install,select,en-US >> chrome/installed-chrome.txt;  /usr/bin/env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=. ./regchrome)
Segmentation fault - core dumped
*** Error code 139


Cryptically, gdb only tells me:
gdb) bt
#0  0x0 in ?? ()
gdb)

I'm considering rebuilding with -g, unless anyone has a
better suggestion.

regards,
Andrew


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Hi, Kris!

>> That seemed to help, but now it's failing with a different error:
>> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/4-latest/mozilla-1.0.rc2,1.log
>
> relevant lines:
> zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
> zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)
>
> zip error: Zip file structure invalid (../en-US.jar)
> Error invoking zip: 3 at ../../../config/make-jars.pl line 82, <STDIN>
chunk 2.
> +++ making chrome /a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src
=>
>  ../../../dist/bin/chrome/en-US.jar
> gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2
> gmake[4]: Leaving directory
`/a/tmp/a/ports/www/mozilla/work/mozilla/intl/uconv/src'
>
> There is a problem with the infozip code & gcc .  Using the precompiled
zip for
> Dec Unix will get you past this step.

  Few months ago I have analyzed this problem:
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=33170
and have proposed two solutions: either fix long-standing kern/6184
(negative seek) bug in -stable or apply my patch to zip port to make it
work.

Take care,
Vadim Mikhailov.




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As promised, here is the captures that I took from the 5305 console, I HTH:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the 5305 screen upon boot-up, or 'init':

starting console on CPU 0
sizing memory
  0    256 MB DIMM
  1    256 MB DIMM
  2    256 MB DIMM
  3    256 MB DIMM
  4    256 MB DIMM
  5    256 MB DIMM
  6    256 MB DIMM
  7    256 MB DIMM
starting console on CPU 1
probing IOD1 hose 1
  bus 0 slot 1 - NCR 53C810
probing IOD0 hose 0
  bus 0 slot 1 - PCEB
    probing EISA Bridge, bus 1
  bus 0 slot 2 - S3 Trio64/Trio32
  bus 0 slot 3 - PCI-PCI Bridge
    probing PCI-PCI Bridge, bus 2
      bus 2 slot 0 - NCR 53C875
      bus 2 slot 1 - NCR 53C875
      bus 2 slot 2 - DECchip 21140-AA
** keyboard error **
configuring I/O adapters...
  ncr0, hose 1, bus 0, slot 1
  floppy0, hose 0, bus 1, slot 0
  ncr1, hose 0, bus 2, slot 0
  ncr2, hose 0, bus 2, slot 1
  tulip0, hose 0, bus 2, slot 2
System temperature is 20 degrees C
DIGITAL Server 5000 Model 5305 6533A Console V6.0-4, 10-MAY-2001 10:11:42
P00>>>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

Here it is after a 'sho config':

P00>>>sho config
                           Compaq Computer Corporation
                        DIGITAL Server 5000 Model 5305 6533A

 Console V6.0-4  OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-2, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-2

 Module                          Type     Rev    Name
 System Motherboard              0        0000   mthrbrd0
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem0
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem1
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem2
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem3
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem4
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem5
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem6
 Memory  256 MB DIMM             0        0000   mem7
 CPU (4MB Cache)                 3        0003   cpu0
 CPU (4MB Cache)                 3        0003   cpu1
 Bridge (IOD0/IOD1)              600      0032   iod0/iod1
 PCI Motherboard                 a        0000   saddle0

 Bus 0  iod0 (PCI0)
 Slot   Option Name              Type     Rev    Name
 1      PCEB                     4828086  0015   pceb0
 2      S3 Trio64/Trio32         88115333 0044   vga0
 3      PCI-PCI Bridge           241011   0002   pcb0

 Bus 1  pceb0 (EISA Bridge connected to iod0, slot 1)
 Slot   Option Name              Type     Rev    Name
 Bus 2  pcb0 (PCI-PCI Bridge connected to iod0, slot 3)
 Slot   Option Name              Type     Rev    Name
 0      NCR 53C875               f1000    0004   ncr1
 1      NCR 53C875               f1000    0004   ncr2
 2      DECchip 21140-AA         91011    0022   tulip0

 Bus 0  iod1 (PCI1)
 Slot   Option Name              Type     Rev    Name
 1      NCR 53C810               11000    0002   ncr0
P00>>>

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

Finally, here is the output after I 'boot dka500'. The CD that I am using is
4.5-RELEASE:

P00>>>boot dka500
(boot dka500.5.0.1.1 -flags a)
block 0 of dka500.5.0.1.1 is a valid boot block
reading 375 blocks from dka500.5.0.1.1
bootstrap code read in
Building FRU table
base = 200000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 2ee00
initializing HWRPB at 2000
initializing page table at 1f2000
initializing machine state
setting affinity to the primary CPU
jumping to bootstrap code
Console: SRM firmware console
VMS PAL rev: 0x4000200010115
OSF PAL rev: 0x4000200020117
Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded.

FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 1.0
(murray@axpbuilder.freebsdmall.com, Mon Jan 28 16:18:52 GMT 2002)
Memory: 2097152 k
Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf
/kernel data=0x406778+0x2acb8 syms=[0x8+0x4e360+0x8+0x38928]
\
Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
Booting [kernel]...
Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000331460...
Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

fatal kernel trap:

    trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
    a0         = 0x60
    a1         = 0x1
    a2         = 0x0
    pc         = 0xfffffc00005b2a70
    ra         = 0xfffffc00005fa0c8
    curproc    = 0

panic: trap
Uptime: 0s

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

If you need more information than this, just let me know what to provide.

OBTW - I tried booting the server WITHOUT the network cable attached and the
system errors with the same panic, in other words, no difference. EWA0 is
set to Auto-Negotiate.

TIA,

AJ Schroeder



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Subject: Re: DigitalServer 5305 install revisited...



Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Hello all,
 > 
 > I have just powered on a DigitalServer 5305 and I am trying to install
 > 4.5-RELEASE onto it. Up on booting the CD, I get this error message:
 > 
 > fatal kernel trap: 
 > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) 
 > a0 = 0x0 a1 = 0x1 
 > a2 = 0xffffffffffffffff 
 > pc = 0x0 
 > ra = 0xfffffc00004b16cc 
 > curproc = 0 
 > panic: trap 
 > Uptime: 0s 
 > 

A PC of 0x0 implies that something followed a NULL function pointer. 
There have been sporadic reports of a potentially similar problem by
people who netboot.

Does it help if you unplug the network cable durning boot?

How soon after booting do you see this?  Can you show us the rest of
the boot messages you see, please?


Drew

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If so, any special hints?  I have 264 box with a quad nic, and I want to
know what version of free to run on it. I have 4.2 running fine on a
similar box (21164, single cpu).

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Is anyone running a pdp10 sim with Tops20 on a freebsd alpha box?
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On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 07:10:29AM -0400, bad bob wrote:

What is a DCG box? Any details?

> If so, any special hints?  I have 264 box with a quad nic, and I want to
> know what version of free to run on it. I have 4.2 running fine on a
> similar box (21164, single cpu).
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hi Wilko,
the DCG box is an alpha clone, there seem to be a number of variations.
I have 3U or 5U (not sure of the exact designation) versions, but the
DCG boxes SEEM to be repackaged, obviously lower cost but still very
good quality UP1000, UP2000, and other motherboard based boxes. rack
mount. I would call them industrial strength alphas, not the same color
as the equiv dec/paq boxes, but the same performance.  I am not
sure of diffs in the bios/srm/what ever variations but I have seen
them running free, net, redhat, vms, DU/Tru...
One box I have has the 164 LX mobo, no video, scsi car, boots
and runs free 4.2, running 3 drives in it right now, 22GB or so, 
I have to check mem, I think it is about 512MB.  The other is
the UP2000 based box, running 56GB scsi drives, 1GB ram, dual
264 cpus, running netbsde 1.4.2

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On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:16:55AM -0400, bad bob wrote:
> hi Wilko,

Well, if they are indeed UP1000/UP2000 clones they should just work I
suppose. I have never seen one.

Do you have a URL maybe?

Wilko
(curious..)

> the DCG box is an alpha clone, there seem to be a number of variations.
> I have 3U or 5U (not sure of the exact designation) versions, but the
> DCG boxes SEEM to be repackaged, obviously lower cost but still very
> good quality UP1000, UP2000, and other motherboard based boxes. rack
> mount. I would call them industrial strength alphas, not the same color
> as the equiv dec/paq boxes, but the same performance.  I am not
> sure of diffs in the bios/srm/what ever variations but I have seen
> them running free, net, redhat, vms, DU/Tru...
> One box I have has the 164 LX mobo, no video, scsi car, boots
> and runs free 4.2, running 3 drives in it right now, 22GB or so, 
> I have to check mem, I think it is about 512MB.  The other is
> the UP2000 based box, running 56GB scsi drives, 1GB ram, dual
> 264 cpus, running netbsde 1.4.2
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I was wrong on that last one I sent you wilko, this one is the 
correct one:
http://www.outpostnorth.com/clients/dcginc/beowulf.asp

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Schroeder, Aaron writes:
 > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
 > Booting [kernel]...
 > Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000331460...
 > Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project.
 > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
 >         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
 > 
 > fatal kernel trap:
 > 
 >     trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
 >     a0         = 0x60
 >     a1         = 0x1
 >     a2         = 0x0
 >     pc         = 0xfffffc00005b2a70
 >     ra         = 0xfffffc00005fa0c8
 >     curproc    = 0

This is much different that what you described before.  Here, the PC
is not null. 

The only thing that leeps to mind is that the size of your memory 
may be a problem (but one we might be able to fix once you get the
machine installed & can get a backtrace).

Try setting hw.physmem to 512MB.  Boot the machine from the CD, then
when you see this:

     Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. 

Hit the space bar, and wait for the prompt, and type 
'set hw.physmem=512M' followed by 'boot'

     ok set hw.physmem=512M
     ok boot


Cheers,

Drew


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On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:24:14AM -0400, bad bob wrote:


Neat boxes. 

W

> I was wrong on that last one I sent you wilko, this one is the 
> correct one:
> http://www.outpostnorth.com/clients/dcginc/beowulf.asp
> 
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On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 12:38:29PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> 
> Schroeder, Aaron writes:
>  > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
>  > Booting [kernel]...
>  > Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000331460...
>  > Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project.
>  > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
>  >         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
>  > 
>  > fatal kernel trap:
>  > 
>  >     trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
>  >     a0         = 0x60
>  >     a1         = 0x1
>  >     a2         = 0x0
>  >     pc         = 0xfffffc00005b2a70
>  >     ra         = 0xfffffc00005fa0c8
>  >     curproc    = 0
> 
> This is much different that what you described before.  Here, the PC
> is not null. 
> 
> The only thing that leeps to mind is that the size of your memory 
> may be a problem (but one we might be able to fix once you get the
> machine installed & can get a backtrace).

Any idea what a PCEB is? 

  
 Bus 0  iod0 (PCI0)
 Slot   Option Name              Type     Rev    Name
 1      PCEB                     4828086  0015   pceb0
  
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On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 08:37:33PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 12:38:29PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> > 
> > Schroeder, Aaron writes:
> >  > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
> >  > Booting [kernel]...
> >  > Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000331460...
> >  > Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project.
> >  > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
> >  >         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
> >  > 
> >  > fatal kernel trap:
> >  > 
> >  >     trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault)
> >  >     a0         = 0x60
> >  >     a1         = 0x1
> >  >     a2         = 0x0
> >  >     pc         = 0xfffffc00005b2a70
> >  >     ra         = 0xfffffc00005fa0c8
> >  >     curproc    = 0
> > 
> > This is much different that what you described before.  Here, the PC
> > is not null. 
> > 
> > The only thing that leeps to mind is that the size of your memory 
> > may be a problem (but one we might be able to fix once you get the
> > machine installed & can get a backtrace).
> 
> Any idea what a PCEB is? 

PCI to Eisa Bridge.

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bad bob wrote:
> Is anyone running a pdp10 sim with Tops20 on a freebsd alpha box?
> thanks

TOPS-20 requires a KL-20 processor to run.
TOPS-10 requires a KL-10 processor to run.

You are most likely thinking of AMOS, which was TOPS-20-like,
but which ran on the LSI-11 (monolithic PDP-11 on a chip).  We
used to run it on S-100 BUS systems at Weber State University
(we also ran TOPS-20 on a KL-20).

I'm not sure if Alpha Micro still exists; if it does, it may
be willing to sell you a copy of AMOS (Alpha Micro Operating
System).  But you will need at least a PDP-11 to run the thing.

If you plan to make an AMOS system publically available, be aware
that you can access the address spaces of other programs, which
include the password manager, by using the BASIC interpreter with
negative array indices, so it is insecure.  If you are planning
on making a TOPS-20 system publically available, be aware that it
logs failed login attempts in plaintext, including the password,
to a world-readable file.  Also, be aware that the global password
file is protected by an XOR process that should become obvious to
you by examining the file contents, along with your own user ID
and password -- so it, too, is insecure.

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> Tlambert wrote:
> TOPS-20 requires a KL-20 processor to run.
> TOPS-10 requires a KL-10 processor to run.

Not lately.  You can get Bob Supnik's emulator at simh.trailing-edge.com.
You can get Timothy Stark's emulator from sourceforge.  You can get
Ken Harrenstien's klh10 emulator at klh10.trailing-edge.com.  T10 and T20
OS software is available at pdp-10.trailing-edge.com.

BTW simh emulates a KS-10 processor.

I've run TOPS-10 on these emulators on x86 FreeBSD for awhile and they do a 
very good job.  As far as running on the Alpha I'd go with the simh emulator 
because its code seems to be much more portable.

Later

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Thanks for the note Terry, but no, I am thinking of just exactly what
I said - pdp10sim, with tops 20.  I have one running under NetBSD,
on an alpha, I have a couple that I run on an AMD Tbird box under
Freebsd, but I am still having trouble with the BPF device and 
allowing tops20 to be telnet'd into...
There are 3 available simulators: 
KLH10 from Ken Harrenstein, this is a KL10B simulator that can run
tops10/20, its.
TS10 from Tim Stark, this is a 2020 or KS10 simulator that runs tops 20
etc.
SIMH PDP10 from Bob Supnik. The pdp10 sim is part of Bob's entire
package of simulators.
Here is one URL to get to the simulators.
http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html

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bad bob wrote:
> Thanks for the note Terry, but no, I am thinking of just exactly what
> I said - pdp10sim, with tops 20.  I have one running under NetBSD,
> on an alpha, I have a couple that I run on an AMD Tbird box under
> Freebsd, but I am still having trouble with the BPF device and
> allowing tops20 to be telnet'd into...

What is the exact error message?  This should work fine on the
Alpha, if it works fine on the x86 version of FreeBSD.  The only
real difference is the size of non-sized types (e.g. "long" and
"pointer") and alignment.  If it's an alignment error, it should
be "automagically" fixed up (but the code will complain about it).
As you say you're having a problem, it's probably an assumption
about type size somewhere (I believe NetBSD and FreeBSD have a
difference of option about the size of int or long -- I can't
remember which -- John Baldwin would know, and so would Drew).


> There are 3 available simulators:
> KLH10 from Ken Harrenstein, this is a KL10B simulator that can run
> tops10/20, its.

KL10

> TS10 from Tim Stark, this is a 2020 or KS10 simulator that runs tops 20
> etc.

KS10

> SIMH PDP10 from Bob Supnik. The pdp10 sim is part of Bob's entire
> package of simulators.

KS10.  See http://mywebpages.comcast.net/asunnet/pdp10/t10inst.txt .

> Here is one URL to get to the simulators.
> http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html

Cool.  I might have to try this out myself (not that I'm really
jonesing for TECO or anything.  8-)).

Actually, I have a 9-Track tape containing code I originally wrote
in college.  Amongst other things, it has a DCL interpreter that
I wrote in a combination of C and Harris H-800/H-1000/H-1200
assembly language.  I really missed the DEC-20 when it was taken
off line and retired.  8-).

I'm guessing that people who are *really* into emulators could
probably run the code "as is".  8-) 8-).

-- Terry

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