From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 3 21:32:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E949E37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED98643E42 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (localhost.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA45WUZB075639 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:32:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA45WUjo075638 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:32:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:32:30 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked at changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical apart from the build time. Any suggestions? >>>show dev dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 RZ26N 0568 dka100.1.0.6.0 DKA100 RZ28M 0568 dka400.4.0.6.0 DKA400 RRD45 0436 dva0.0.0.0.1 DVA0 ewa0.0.0.11.0 EWA0 00-00-F8-22-E2-1B pka0.7.0.6.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 >>>b dka100 -fl s (boot dka100.1.0.6.0 -flags s) block 0 of dka100.1.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dka100.1.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1c00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x1000000010538 OSF PAL rev: 0x100000002012e Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision 1.0 (root@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au, Sun Nov 3 12:19:16 EST 2002) Memory: 163840 k \ halted CPU 0 halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = 144e4 >>> Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Nov 3 21:35:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315F037B401; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAEF43E75; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA45ZQkF025541; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:35:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA45ZQb6025540; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:35:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:35:26 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Jeremy , ru@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au>; from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au on Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to > -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked at > changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. > > The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time > I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- > building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've > repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical > apart from the build time. > > Any suggestions? IIRC x-building on x86 for alpha has been giving loader problems before. ru@ has been using my DS10 for some testing but I don't recall if it was fixed. Ruslan, any suggestions? Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 3:50:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C08D37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACD843E4A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with ESMTP id gA4BoFRK051701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:50:15 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA4BoEse051696; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:50:14 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:50:14 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:35:26AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to > > -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked at > > changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. > >=20 > > The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time > > I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- > > building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've > > repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical > > apart from the build time. > >=20 > > Any suggestions? >=20 > IIRC x-building on x86 for alpha has been giving loader problems before. > ru@ has been using my DS10 for some testing but I don't recall if > it was fixed. >=20 > Ruslan, any suggestions? >=20 No, I've been looking at different things at the time -- cross-compiling i386 on either Alpha or sparc64 doesn't work due to some issues with GCC configured to cross-build i386 (it sometimes produces different asm code than native compiler). I've reported this on current@ several times but our GCC maintainers indicated no interest to look into this. :-( Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9xl72Ukv4P6juNwoRAozYAJ0Y5grDVuC5j1MO505Tk7nWDA9MXgCfXgKM 0zvU7XuI7OxDpn3cnikH+R0= =uQo1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 4:12:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5C937B401; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9B543E7B; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:12:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4CCAkF028095; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:12:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA4CCA3q028090; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:12:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:12:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ruslan Ermilov , kan@freebsd.org Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com>; from ru@freebsd.org on Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:50:14PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:35:26AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to > > > -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked at > > > changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. > > > > > > The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time > > > I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- > > > building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've > > > repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical > > > apart from the build time. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > IIRC x-building on x86 for alpha has been giving loader problems before. > > ru@ has been using my DS10 for some testing but I don't recall if > > it was fixed. > > > > Ruslan, any suggestions? > > > No, I've been looking at different things at the time -- cross-compiling > i386 on either Alpha or sparc64 doesn't work due to some issues with GCC > configured to cross-build i386 (it sometimes produces different asm code > than native compiler). I've reported this on current@ several times but > our GCC maintainers indicated no interest to look into this. :-( Ah, at least good to know my memory still works OK ;) Maybe our new gcc maintainer Alexander Kabaev (kan@freebsd.org) has more time than David? Might be worth asking. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 5:49:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115F037B401; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.mail.ru (mx3.mail.ru [194.67.57.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787443E75; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:49:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kan@mail.ru) Received: from drweb by mx3.mail.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim MX.3) id 188hbD-0003mi-00; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:49:03 +0300 Received: from [141.154.54.36] (helo=kan.dnsalias.net) by mx3.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim SMTP.3) id 188hb0-0003QY-00; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:48:51 +0300 Received: from kan.dnsalias.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by kan.dnsalias.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4DmhR2013611; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:48:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kan@kan.dnsalias.net) Received: (from kan@localhost) by kan.dnsalias.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA4DmbSY013610; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:48:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:48:36 -0500 From: Alexander Kabaev To: Wilko Bulte Cc: ru@freebsd.org, kan@freebsd.org, peterjeremy@optushome.com.au, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-Id: <20021104084836.25cd3678.kabaev@bellatlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com> <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> Reply-To: ak03@gte.com X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5claws26 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:12:10 +0100 Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > No, I've been looking at different things at the time -- > > cross-compiling i386 on either Alpha or sparc64 doesn't work due to > > some issues with GCC configured to cross-build i386 (it sometimes > > produces different asm code than native compiler). I've reported > > this on current@ several times but our GCC maintainers indicated no > > interest to look into this. :-( > > Ah, at least good to know my memory still works OK ;) > > Maybe our new gcc maintainer Alexander Kabaev (kan@freebsd.org) has > more time than David? Might be worth asking. > Wilko, I am on vacation starting today for the next three week and my access to Internet will be non-existent for that whole time. Could you please remind me to took into that when I am back? -- Alexander Kabaev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 7:49: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDC637B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.interchange.ca (ns.interchange.ca [216.126.79.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83ECB43E77 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@fastmail.ca) Received: by mail.interchange.ca (Fastmailer, from userid 555) id 70DED20E9; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24.43.130.241 by fastmail.ca with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:48:56 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3DC696E8.000075.91724@ns.interchange.ca> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_KL6207U4GSJNTT4D7TH0" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Floppy boot... Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael Richards" X-Fastmail-IP: [24.43.130.241] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------Boundary-00=_KL6207U4GSJNTT4D7TH0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A CD boot may be a viable option. I think I'll try to find some time to patch up the bootloader to be able to read the kernel off 2 disks. This will make a 3 disk install, but oh well, that's better than nothing isn't it? -Michael _________________________________________________________________ http://fastmail.ca/ - Fast Secure Web Email for Canadians --------------Boundary-00=_KL6207U4GSJNTT4D7TH0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 8:40:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483D37B421 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E527543E42 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 9150 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 16:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Nov 2002 16:40:39 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA4GeYn5045145; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:40:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DC696E8.000075.91724@ns.interchange.ca> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:40:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Michael Richards Subject: Re: Floppy boot... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Nov-2002 Michael Richards wrote: > A CD boot may be a viable option. I think I'll try to find some time > to patch up the bootloader to be able to read the kernel off 2 disks. > This will make a 3 disk install, but oh well, that's better than > nothing isn't it? We already have a 3 disk install. Actually though, I think someone (sobomax@?) did implement functionality in the loader in the form of a splitfs that lets a file be split across multiple floppies. If someone wanted to make that work that would sound good to me. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 16: 9:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D1337B401; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D5343E6E; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id gA507se01430; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:37:55 +1030 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:39:12 +1030 Received: from salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au (salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.9]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/8.9.3.LMD.990513) with ESMTP id KAA03148; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:09 +1030 (CST) Received: by salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:09 +1030 Message-ID: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> From: "Thyer, Matthew" To: "Wilkinson, Alex" Cc: "'gallatin@cs.duke.edu'" , "'fclift@verio.net'" , "'alpha@freebsd.org'" , "'obrien@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:34:05 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. What is required at minimum is the following: - kern.flp: loader and kernel only (use leftover room for mandatory modules to be loaded + common modules.... i.e. whatever network modules we can fit). this kernel should have barely anything.... just enough to load modules from whichever copy of driver.flp that you need for your hardware. - mfsroot.flp: the rest of sysinstall etc. - fixit.flp: as usual but I'd like to get this to 1.44 MB as Alpha people need to recover too. - driver.flp: A set of driver floppies would be available which could be read by the loader and allow the user to interactively choose which modules to load. This would be similar to installing old Solaris x86 where you need to use "Driver Update" disks. The boot process off install floppies would then go something like: 1) kern.flp 2) driver.flp 3) next driver.flp etc until you have loaded all the modules you need 4) mfsroot.flp I'm not advocating this just to fix the Alpha problem... it would be a good move for any platform and would allow third parties to provide modules that could be used at install time. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Gallatin To: Fred Clift Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 Fred Clift writes: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, David O'Brien wrote: > > > > > > It has become very hard to produce boot floppies for 5.0 on the Alpha > > platform. The kernel has just grown too large. The amount of effort > > required to get 'make release' to properly build the floppy images just > > requires too much effort. > > Anyone care to provide more information on what exactly is required on the > floppy that makes it so big? is it the _very_ wide range of > hardware/drivers needed to fit a good cross-section of the target > machines? I'm just curious. One cannot make an alpha kernel fit on a floppy alongside the loader unless one removes nearly all drivers (including disk drivers), NFS, IPV6, etc,etc. > > > We do desire to offer a small boot image (say 8 MB) that one can 'dd' > > onto the beginning of a hard disk and boot from that to do an install. > > So the two options off hand will be boot from CD or boot from temp hard > disk? > > Are there other, (though perhaps painful) options? I'm somewhat concerned > that I'm going to have to open up my box and put a hard disk in it just to > do an install... Netbooting. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 16:22:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42E437B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D63A43E4A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA50MOCE048341; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA50L8Wj048299; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:21:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:21:07 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Thyer, Matthew" Cc: "'alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: alpha@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , "Thyer, Matthew" , "'alpha@freebsd.org'" References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:34:05AM +1030, Thyer, Matthew wrote: > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. ... > I'm not advocating this just to fix the Alpha problem... it would be a > good move for any platform and would allow third parties to provide > modules that could be used at install time. Where's the patch??? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 4 23:36: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5678737B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536AD43E77 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA57ZxHX005177; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:36:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA57ZxsW005172; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:35:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:35:59 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com>; from dev-null@NUXI.com on Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:21:07PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:21:07PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:34:05AM +1030, Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. > ... > > I'm not advocating this just to fix the Alpha problem... it would be a > > good move for any platform and would allow third parties to provide > > modules that could be used at install time. > > Where's the patch??? Or alternatively: get over it. DEC never intended to install any OS on an Alpha from floppy. In the dim dark past of Alpha a decision was made to use CDROMs for that. As long as a miniiso (or maybe a microiso if you wanted to optimise it further) is available why bother with floppies? W/ -- | / o / /_ _ FreeBSD core team secretary |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 0:22:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7342037B404 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F320043E42 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:22:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0237.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.237] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188yyP-0002xc-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:22:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:20:53 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > Or alternatively: get over it. DEC never intended to install any OS on an > Alpha from floppy. In the dim dark past of Alpha a decision was made > to use CDROMs for that. > > As long as a miniiso (or maybe a microiso if you wanted to optimise it > further) is available why bother with floppies? Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... And all the Linux Alpha distributions I have have a boot floppy, and all of the SRM updates I have are on floppy. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 2:17:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEE337B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8EA43E3B; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:17:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with ESMTP id gA5AHSRK068342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:17:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA5AHS3e068337; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:17:28 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:17:28 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Wilko Bulte Cc: kan@freebsd.org, Peter Jeremy , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021105101728.GA68135@sunbay.com> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com> <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NMuMz9nt05w80d4+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:12:10PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:35:26AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to > > > > -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked = at > > > > changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. > > > >=20 > > > > The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time > > > > I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- > > > > building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've > > > > repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical > > > > apart from the build time. > > > >=20 > > > > Any suggestions? > > >=20 > > > IIRC x-building on x86 for alpha has been giving loader problems befo= re. > > > ru@ has been using my DS10 for some testing but I don't recall if > > > it was fixed. > > >=20 > > > Ruslan, any suggestions? > > >=20 > > No, I've been looking at different things at the time -- cross-compiling > > i386 on either Alpha or sparc64 doesn't work due to some issues with GCC > > configured to cross-build i386 (it sometimes produces different asm code > > than native compiler). I've reported this on current@ several times but > > our GCC maintainers indicated no interest to look into this. :-( >=20 > Ah, at least good to know my memory still works OK ;) >=20 > Maybe our new gcc maintainer Alexander Kabaev (kan@freebsd.org) has more= =20 > time than David? Might be worth asking. >=20 I did, please see the attached. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:46:34 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: David O'Brien , Alexander Kabaev Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha can't cross-compile i386 Message-ID: <20021013134634.GB35585@sunbay.com> References: <20020801124807.A11058@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020801120738.GA26622@sunbay.com> <20020801195936.A12267@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020802165525.GA80884@sunbay.com> <20020802205245.A16184@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020805184000.GA53697@sunbay.com> <20020806161928.A9273@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020807091602.GA52251@sunbay.com> <20020807105144.GA68121@sunbay.com> <20020807150411.GA36526@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020807150411.GA36526@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The situation did not change during the last two months, even with the latest GCC imports. beast.FreeBSD.org still blows up attempting to build world and kernel for i386: : -------------------------------------------------------------- : >>> stage 4: building everything.. : -------------------------------------------------------------- : cd /j/ru/src-5; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/j/ru/obj/i386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 M= ACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha= /usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/share/groff= _font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/share/tmac DE= STDIR=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha INSTALL=3D"sh /j/ru/src-5/tools/in= stall.sh" PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/sbin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j= /ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bi= n:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 all [...] : =3D=3D=3D> usr.bin/getconf : cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I/j/ru/src-5/usr.bin/getconf -c limits= .c : {standard input}: Assembler messages: : {standard input}:334: Error: bignum invalid : *** Error code 1 :=20 : Stop in /j/ru/src-5/usr.bin/getconf. : *** Error code 1 The difference between the native i386 assembler output and the output from the i386 cross-compiler for the limits.c is as follows: --- limits.s (alpha->i386) Sun Oct 13 15:57:20 2002 +++ limits.s (i386 native) Sun Oct 13 16:02:15 2002 @@ -331,10 +331,10 @@ .quad -2147483648 .long 1 .long .LC55 - .quad -9223372036854775808 + .quad 0x8000000000000000 .long 1 .long .LC56 - .quad 9223372036854775807 + .quad 0x7fffffffffffffff .long 1 .long .LC57 .quad 0 @@ -367,13 +367,13 @@ .quad 255 .long 1 .long .LC67 - .quad 4294967295 + .quad 0xffffffff .long 1 .long .LC68 .quad -1 .long 1 .long .LC69 - .quad 4294967295 + .quad 0xffffffff .long 1 .long .LC70 .quad 65535 : -------------------------------------------------------------- : >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sun Oct 13 05:25:16 PDT 2002 : -------------------------------------------------------------- : =3D=3D=3D> GENERIC [...] : cd /j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/j/ru/obj/i= 386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 MACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/j/r= u/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/= src-5/alpha/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src= -5/alpha/usr/share/tmac DESTDIR=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha INSTALL= =3D"sh /j/ru/src-5/tools/install.sh" PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alph= a/usr/sbin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-= 5/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make KERNEL=3Dkernel all [...] : cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-extern= s -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast= -qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/j/ru/src-5/sys -I= /j/ru/src-5/sys/dev -I/j/ru/src-5/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/j/ru/src-5/sys/= contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -mno-align-lo= ng-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestanding -Werror /j/ru/src= -5/sys/dev/advansys/adw_pci.c : {standard input}: Assembler messages: : {standard input}:22: Error: bignum invalid : {standard input}:28: Error: bignum invalid : *** Error code 1 :=20 : Stop in /j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/sys/GENERIC. : *** Error code 1 On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 06:04:11PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 01:51:44PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:16:02PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > [...] > > > Wilko, > > >=20 > > > I am unable to cross-build i386 on alpha due to this bug in gcc. > > > Native compiler has no problem building the generated cgram.c, > > > and I have verified that native and cross compilers produce the > > > same cgram.c output. Perhaps, David could shed some light on > > > this, and even probably fix it: > > >=20 > > > %%% > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> stage 4: building everything.. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/usr/obj/i386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 M= ACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D OBJFORMAT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr= /libexec GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_= PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D= /usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/share/tmac DESTDIR=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src= /alpha INSTALL=3D"sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/= src/alpha/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin:/usr/obj/i386/usr/sr= c/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 all > > > =3D=3D=3D> share/info > > > [...] > > > =3D=3D=3D> usr.bin/xlint/lint1 > > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1 -I/= usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../arch/i386 -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../= common -c cgram.c > > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1 -I/= usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../arch/i386 -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../= common -c scan.c > > > gzip -cn lint.7 > lint.7.gz > > > groff -Tascii -mtty-char -man -t lint.7 | gzip -cn > lint.7.cat.gz > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y: In function `toicon': > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y:1711: unrecognizable insn: > > > (insn 247 219 248 (set (reg:CC 17 flags) > > > (compare:CC (subreg:SI (reg/v:DI 75) 0) > > > (const_int 2147483648 [0x80000000]))) -1 (nil) > > > (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg/v:DI 75) > > > (nil))) > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y:1711: Internal compiler error in= extract_insn, at recog.c:2150 > > > Please submit a full bug report, > > > with preprocessed source if appropriate. > > > See for instructions. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > 1 error > > > %%% > > >=20 > > > Meanwhile, I will temporary remove usr.bin/xlint from the build, and > > > resume the i386 release building on ds10. > > >=20 > > While attempting to cross-compile kernel, it bombs out with, attempting > > to build `random' module like this: > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D> random > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I/usr/src/sys/modules/random/../.. -D_= KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmiss= ing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wno-format -ansi -DKL= D_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/src/sys/modules/random/../.. -I. -I@ -I@/dev= -I@/../include -fno-common -g -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestandin= g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-p= rototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wno-format -ansi -c /usr/s= rc/sys/crypto/sha2/sha2.c > > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > > {standard input}:97: Error: bignum invalid > > {standard input}:98: Error: bignum invalid > > {standard input}:101: Error: bignum invalid > >=20 > > Excluding it as well... :( > >=20 > I see the same symptoms on beast.FreeBSD.org running fresh 5.0-CURRENT, > so the problem is not unique to your DS10 host. >=20 > Excluding "random" module did not help; buildkernel died similarly > later: >=20 > : cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-exte= rns -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wca= st-qual -Wno-format -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/= sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -= I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -mpr= eferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestanding -Werror /usr/src/sys/dev/advansy= s/adw_pci.c > : {standard input}: Assembler messages: > : {standard input}:24: Error: bignum invalid > : {standard input}:30: Error: bignum invalid > : *** Error code 1 > : Stop in /usr/obj/i386/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. > : *** Error code 1 >=20 > David, can you please look into this? --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9qXk6Ukv4P6juNwoRAtUNAJ0RuSHLdIncXPOqzukMWzBUe1PU9wCfQ93y OtpHYA8GNSds6Nl4yfdc6+c= =BKvg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU-- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9x5q3Ukv4P6juNwoRAnhzAJ4vMITvICtxPo5LDYxYj7Vua+vFGQCdGowV R8/TEGzX2hb+DJQgVV6yiLA= =rqfc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 2:58:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D6537B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E5A43E3B; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (localhost.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Awid6001498; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:58:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA5AwhPt001497; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:58:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:58:43 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Wilko Bulte , kan@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borked loader Message-ID: <20021105105843.GA1482@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> References: <20021104053230.GA75624@server.c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> <20021104063526.A25514@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021104115014.GA51083@sunbay.com> <20021104131210.A28067@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021105101728.GA68135@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021105101728.GA68135@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:17:28PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:12:10PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:35:26AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> > > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 04:32:30PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> > > > I'm trying to upgrade a 6-month old -stable on an AlphaServer 400 to >> > > > -stable from yesterday but the new /boot/loader dies. I've looked at >> > > > changes since then but nothing seems to affect the loader. >> > > > >> > > > The new world was cross-built on a x86 box. This is the first time >> > > > I've done that, so it could theoretically be a problem with cross- >> > > > building but I'd need another day to build world on as AS400. I've >> > > > repeated the cross-build and got a /boot/loader that is identical >> > > > apart from the build time. >> > > > >> > > > Any suggestions? >> > > >> > > IIRC x-building on x86 for alpha has been giving loader problems before. >> > > ru@ has been using my DS10 for some testing but I don't recall if >> > > it was fixed. ... >Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:46:34 +0300 >From: Ruslan Ermilov >To: David O'Brien , Alexander Kabaev >Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: alpha can't cross-compile i386 > >The situation did not change during the last two months, even with >the latest GCC imports. beast.FreeBSD.org still blows up attempting >to build world and kernel for i386: I remember reading that now... However, my problem is the opposite - I'm building on an x86 and trying to install on Alpha. I will try to run the same buildworld on the Alpha and see if I can identify the difference. It might or might not be the same bug. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 5:17:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C41137B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8206343E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5DHWHX006120; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:17:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA5DHUod006119; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:17:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:17:30 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021105141730.D5968@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Or alternatively: get over it. DEC never intended to install any OS on an > > Alpha from floppy. In the dim dark past of Alpha a decision was made > > to use CDROMs for that. > > > > As long as a miniiso (or maybe a microiso if you wanted to optimise it > > further) is available why bother with floppies? > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... Get a $2 RRD42 from the nearest yard sale. Or hook it up. Too much asked? Tough.. > And all the Linux Alpha distributions I have have a boot floppy, I can't care at all about Linux.. > and all of the SRM updates I have are on floppy. SRM != an OS. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 6:39:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E015F37B415 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7A643E6E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 28514 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 14:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2002 14:39:54 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Edpn5048499; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:39:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Cc: "obrien@FreeBSD.org" Cc: "obrien@FreeBSD.org" , "alpha@freebsd.org" , "fclift@verio.net" , "gallatin@cs.duke.edu" , "Wilkinson, Alex" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. > > What is required at minimum is the following: This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the loader. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 8:16:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E1337B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FF743E77; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406443BF1BF; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5GG4345344; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:16:47 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: John Baldwin Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021105091514.L69586-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. > > > > What is required at minimum is the following: > > This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > loader. Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 8:22:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A250337B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E6843E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:22:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14055; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA5GMIu35889; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:22:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15815.61498.679542.992377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:22:18 -0500 (EST) To: Fred Clift Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20021105091514.L69586-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> References: <20021105091514.L69586-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fred Clift writes: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of problems. > > > > > > What is required at minimum is the following: > > > > This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > > that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > > loader. > > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. > > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). 64 bit longs and pointers vs 32 bit longs and pointers is a big part of it. Another issue is that alpha is risc, and x86 is cisc. Alpha generally requires more instructions to do the same job. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 8:53: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE1737B423 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4886D43E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:53:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 5349 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2002 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Gr1n5048919; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:53:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021105091514.L69586-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 11:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Fred Clift Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-2002 Fred Clift wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > >> >> On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: >> > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of >> > problems. >> > >> > What is required at minimum is the following: >> >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the >> loader. > > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. > > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). For one thing, 64-bit binaries are larger than 32-bit binaries. Another difference on 5.0 is that Alpha supports SMP out of the box where as i386 requires a custom kernel for SMP support. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 8:56:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AB737B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3646243E4A; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5Gu5HX007061; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:56:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA5Gu5Zu007060; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:56:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:56:05 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: Fred Clift , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021105175605.A7042@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021105091514.L69586-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:53:02AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:53:02AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Fred Clift wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > > > >> > >> On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > >> > I'd hope we can split the Alpha boot floppies even further to get around these kind of > >> > problems. > >> > > >> > What is required at minimum is the following: > >> > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > >> loader. > > > > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is > > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare > > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. > > > > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). > > For one thing, 64-bit binaries are larger than 32-bit binaries. > Another difference on 5.0 is that Alpha supports SMP out of the > box where as i386 requires a custom kernel for SMP support. It is still slim, compared to genvmunix on Tru64 ;-) (> 10MB when I last looked) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 9: 0:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF9537B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DFB43E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5H0LEx018598; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:00:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id gA5H0KGK018595; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:00:20 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: Josh Tolbert To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021105105837.R18406-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Well, I resolved my Alpha/FreeBSD/X video issues. I found a PC164LX/533MHz Alpha to replace my PC164/500MHz Alpha. The setup works great with the ATI Rage Pro 8M PCI card I dug up, which wouldn't even wake the monitor from sleep mode on the PC164. I'll probably keep the PC164 around and eventually use it for something. Thanks, Josh On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Jameel Akari wrote: > > > > pci0: at 6.0 irq 0 > > > > Somewhat unrelated, but when I fire up this card in X, there is > > some bizarre distortion of vertical lines and of text inside xterms. The > > window borders look something like: > > Er, yes, I've seen that as well. I think that stopped when I > switched from a manually provided, "optimized" mode line to allowing > the X server to come up with a video mode on its own according to > resolution, monitor bandwidth, ec. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 11:14: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FBD37B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from wi4d22.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (wi4d22.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.101.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC0543E75; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkb@mukappabeta.de) Received: from mukappabeta.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wi4d22.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5JDiN1017331; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:13:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mkb@mukappabeta.de) Message-ID: <3DC81868.9080700@mukappabeta.de> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:13:44 +0100 From: Matthias Buelow User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021024 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > loader. Why can't it span several floppies, then? I don't know the innards of the boot-loader being used but where's the problem simply printing a "insert next floppy" when loading from one floppy is done, and continue reading the kernel with the next floppy? A similar things is being done with mfsroot anyways, isn't it? Why should the capacity of a floppy disk restrict the size of kernels being booted? -- Matthias Buelow To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 11:56:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF3837B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2E743E4A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA5JuNpk092847 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:55:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021105.125533.69352434.imp@bsdimp.com> To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [[cc trimmed]] In message: John Baldwin : This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to : install. The problem is that a really, really stripped down 5.0 : kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the loader. Didn't ru just make that possible? Since we can load all the disk drivers now from a second/third disk, I think this is a reasonable compromise for the moment. In the future, even this might not be possible, but for now it is. Assuming that ru, or someone else, follows through we can continue to support it. If not, then we can kill it. To a certain extent it is incumbent on those that want the feature to keep it working. If no one is willing, then we can kill it. If someone is willing, and actually spends the time to fix breakages in a timely fashion, then more power to them. pc98 and i386 will need a mechanism for booting the installation goo off floppies, maybe mulitple ones, for some time to come, so if we can do this in a MI way then we can extend the length of time that we offer Alpha boot floppies. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:25: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D548D37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD0143E77 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 15209 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2002 20:25:08 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5KOxn5049455; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:25:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DC81868.9080700@mukappabeta.de> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:25:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Matthias Buelow Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-2002 Matthias Buelow wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the >> loader. > > Why can't it span several floppies, then? > I don't know the innards of the boot-loader being used but > where's the problem simply printing a "insert next floppy" when > loading from one floppy is done, and continue reading the kernel > with the next floppy? A similar things is being done with mfsroot > anyways, isn't it? Why should the capacity of a floppy disk > restrict the size of kernels being booted? We do not currently do this with the mfsroot, it all fits onto mfsroot.flp. As I said earlier, someone did write and commit code for a "splitfs" fs to the loader so that it can do exactly this, but no one has played with getting the scripts to use that feature. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:38: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BB337B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA543E75; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00136; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA5Kb7h36104; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:37:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15816.11251.598960.561263@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:37:07 -0500 (EST) To: John Baldwin Cc: Matthias Buelow , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <3DC81868.9080700@mukappabeta.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Matthias Buelow wrote: > > John Baldwin wrote: > > > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > >> loader. > > > > Why can't it span several floppies, then? > > I don't know the innards of the boot-loader being used but > > where's the problem simply printing a "insert next floppy" when > > loading from one floppy is done, and continue reading the kernel > > with the next floppy? A similar things is being done with mfsroot > > anyways, isn't it? Why should the capacity of a floppy disk > > restrict the size of kernels being booted? > > We do not currently do this with the mfsroot, it all fits onto > mfsroot.flp. As I said earlier, someone did write and commit > code for a "splitfs" fs to the loader so that it can do exactly > this, but no one has played with getting the scripts to use that > feature. I think you may be misunderstanding. I think what is being suggested is 4 separate fs's. floppy 1 contains: /boot/loader /boot/loader.rc floppy 2 contains: /kernel.gz floppy 3 contains: /modules/foo.. floppy 4 contains: /modules/morefoo The loader.rc would look like this: echo \\007\\007 echo Please insert Kernel floppy and press enter: echo \\007\\007 echo Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: load -t mfs_root /mfsroot This means serious diddling with the twisty mess of ${TARGETS} in /usr/src/release/Makefile, if anybody interested in floppys is up for it. I'm not really interested in floppy installs, so I'll bow out here and leave it to the intersted parties. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:38:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890FB37B406 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8A843E8A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0104.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.104] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189AT6-00002W-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC82C00.678359A8@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:37:20 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021105141730.D5968@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As long as a miniiso is available ********************************* > > My DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector. > > > why bother with floppies? ************************ > > All of the SRM updates I have are on floppy. > > SRM != an OS. No, but they're a good reason to bother with floppies. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:42:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D217037B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02E443E6E; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00696; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA5KfvQ36114; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:41:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15816.11540.998124.139551@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:41:56 -0500 (EST) To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Baldwin , Matthias Buelow , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <15816.11251.598960.561263@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <3DC81868.9080700@mukappabeta.de> <15816.11251.598960.561263@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops. Forgot the "read"'s.. Drew Andrew Gallatin writes: > > The loader.rc would look like this: > > echo \\007\\007 > echo Please insert Kernel floppy and press enter: read > echo \\007\\007 > echo Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: read > load -t mfs_root /mfsroot > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:45:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6FE37B406; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A9A43E88; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0104.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.104] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189AZb-00045J-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:45:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC82D93.BC477690@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:44:03 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: Fred Clift , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is > > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare > > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. > > > > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). > > For one thing, 64-bit binaries are larger than 32-bit binaries. > Another difference on 5.0 is that Alpha supports SMP out of the > box where as i386 requires a custom kernel for SMP support. You sure it's not all of the drivers in the boot path that don't need to be there because they aren't supported by SRM? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 12:50:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7450737B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B152643E6E; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01162; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA5KoIW36127; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15816.12042.154428.156408@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) To: Terry Lambert Cc: John Baldwin , Fred Clift , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3DC82D93.BC477690@mindspring.com> References: <3DC82D93.BC477690@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > John Baldwin wrote: > > > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is > > > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare > > > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. > > > > > > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). > > > > For one thing, 64-bit binaries are larger than 32-bit binaries. > > Another difference on 5.0 is that Alpha supports SMP out of the > > box where as i386 requires a custom kernel for SMP support. > > You sure it's not all of the drivers in the boot path that don't > need to be there because they aren't supported by SRM? Have you EVEN READ this thread!??? A kernel with NO DRIVERS still does not fit in the standard config. The only way to get a kernel to fit alonsdie the loader is to remove nfs and ipv6. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 13: 2:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC24A37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE2743E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:02:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 12265 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Nov 2002 21:02:42 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5L2Xn5049639; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:02:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DC82D93.BC477690@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:02:34 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" , Fred Clift Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-2002 Terry Lambert wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> > Being new to the alpha architecture, my biggest problem with all this is >> > that I dont know enough to even have vague ideas of _why_ the i386 bare >> > kernel is so much smaller than the alpha bare kernel. >> > >> > Can anyone explain this? I'm really just curious :). >> >> For one thing, 64-bit binaries are larger than 32-bit binaries. >> Another difference on 5.0 is that Alpha supports SMP out of the >> box where as i386 requires a custom kernel for SMP support. > > You sure it's not all of the drivers in the boot path that don't > need to be there because they aren't supported by SRM? Terry, *sigh* The current BOOTMFS kernel contains only _one_ SCSI driver, ahc. It contains _no_ ethernet drivers, no USB, etc. I think it might not contain cd9660 filesystem support. It really is a very stripped down kernel we are talking about here. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 13:26: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAC037B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4167F43E77; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A86A3BF2C6; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5LQ3399535; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:26:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:26:46 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: Matthias Buelow Cc: John Baldwin , "alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3DC81868.9080700@mukappabeta.de> Message-ID: <20021105142453.I70201-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Matthias Buelow wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > > Why can't it span several floppies, then? I dont think that this is really the problem -- ie that it couldn't be made to span several disks -- the real problem is that nobody (including me, despite my complaints) is itchy enough to scratch and actually do the work required. ie 'nobody has submitted patches to make it work'. I for one have decided that this is something I dont want to spend my time working on. Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 5 15:41:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8AB37B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9718343E7B; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:41:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from cflow.feral.com (cflow.feral.com [192.67.166.140]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA5NfBZ44441; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:41:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: jeff@freebsd.org Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slab at 0xfffffc0016a55f78, freei 59 = 0. panic: Duplicate free of item 0xfffffc0016a55620 from zone 0xfffffc001fff3740(MAP ENTRY) cpuid = 2; panic Stopped at Debugger+0x34: zapnot v0,#0xf,v0 db> t Debugger() at Debugger+0x34 panic() at panic+0x1a4 uma_dbg_free() at uma_dbg_free+0x170 uma_zfree_arg() at uma_zfree_arg+0x130 vm_map_entry_dispose() at vm_map_entry_dispose+0x44 vm_map_entry_delete() at vm_map_entry_delete+0x68 vm_map_delete() at vm_map_delete+0x32c vm_map_remove() at vm_map_remove+0x64 exit1() at exit1+0x510 sys_exit() at sys_exit+0x58 syscall() at syscall+0x358 XentSys() at XentSys+0x64 --- syscall (1, FreeBSD ELF64, sys_exit) --- --- user mode --- db> 4 processor SMP 4100, doing a make -j4 buildworld To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 0:11: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A353D37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D53A43E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA68AoCE097364; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA689Zi8097349; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:09:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:09:34 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... When was the last time you booted that box? When was the last time you installed FreeBSD on that box? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 2:21:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23D637B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC9943E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:21:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6ALKHX011504; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:21:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6ALKJf011503; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:21:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:21:20 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com>; from dev-null@NUXI.com on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... > > When was the last time you booted that box? When was the last time you > installed FreeBSD on that box? Lemme guess... Multia? -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 3:46:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2F937B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F8743E8A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0009.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.9] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189Odl-0006fS-00 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 03:46:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC900CC.B88AF50B@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 03:45:16 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... > > When was the last time you booted that box? One week ago. > When was the last time you installed FreeBSD on that box? Mostly, I run NetBSD on the box. When I run FreeBSD, I run it on a removable SyJet drive cartridge on the onboard SCSI. I've kept the FreeBSD upgradedm whenever -current was stable, which was rarely, until more recently. The FreeBSD that's on it was installed via a floppy. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 3:52:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E6737B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AAD43E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0009.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.9] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189OjS-0002tH-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 03:52:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 03:51:10 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... > > > > When was the last time you booted that box? When was the last time you > > installed FreeBSD on that box? > > Lemme guess... Multia? Yes, Multia. I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware unsupported... not my first choice, of course. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 4: 0: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC5F37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B765243E7B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6C02HX011841; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6C0249011840; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:00:02 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106130002.B11806@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:51:10AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:51:10AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't > > > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... > > > > > > When was the last time you booted that box? When was the last time you > > > installed FreeBSD on that box? > > > > Lemme guess... Multia? > > Yes, Multia. > > I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to Not what I said, just confirms why you need to have an external CD. > several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware > unsupported... not my first choice, of course. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 4: 2:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E209937B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E06E43E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0009.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.9] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189OtR-00001Q-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:02:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC90498.4A310563@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:01:28 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: "alpha@freebsd.org" , Fred Clift Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > > You sure it's not all of the drivers in the boot path that don't > > need to be there because they aren't supported by SRM? > > Terry, *sigh* > > The current BOOTMFS kernel contains only _one_ SCSI driver, > ahc. It contains _no_ ethernet drivers, no USB, etc. I think > it might not contain cd9660 filesystem support. It really is > a very stripped down kernel we are talking about here. Not compared to the stripped down kernels that used to fit on one floppy. Actually, the discussion was about leaving out things that were not needed for loading the OS into it, and splitting the kernel/mfs load onto two seperate disks, and on splitting the kernel itself between disks. All the FS support code should be capable of living on other floppies (for example), since the loader can read FFS to load them in as modules, etc.. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 4: 8:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104DF37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A190F43E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:08:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0009.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.9] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189Oyf-0003mk-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:08:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC905DC.E57CF555@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 04:06:52 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> <20021106130002.B11806@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > Lemme guess... Multia? > > > > Yes, Multia. > > > > I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to > > Not what I said, just confirms why you need to have an external CD. > > > several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware > > unsupported... not my first choice, of course. It's a cheap way to keep my toes in the Alpha camp, without committing to buying approximately retail-priced hardware (Fry's was advertising a 1.8GHz Pentium box for $499 all last week). It also explains why I haven't personally tried to deal with the 2G limit issue, I think, unless you know how to wedge that much into the tiny, tiny motherboard? ;-). I've had the thing for several more years than people have officially been working on FreeBSD-Alpha (late 90's or so). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 5: 9: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4F937B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFE43E42 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6D8wHX012057; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:08:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6D8wr1012056; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:08:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:08:58 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106140858.A12033@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> <20021106130002.B11806@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC905DC.E57CF555@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3DC905DC.E57CF555@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 04:06:52AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 04:06:52AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > Lemme guess... Multia? > > > > > > Yes, Multia. > > > > > > I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to > > > > Not what I said, just confirms why you need to have an external CD. > > > > > several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware > > > unsupported... not my first choice, of course. > > It's a cheap way to keep my toes in the Alpha camp, without > committing to buying approximately retail-priced hardware (Fry's > was advertising a 1.8GHz Pentium box for $499 all last week). It > also explains why I haven't personally tried to deal with the 2G > limit issue, I think, unless you know how to wedge that much into > the tiny, tiny motherboard? ;-). I've had the thing for several 4x128MB is probably max. > more years than people have officially been working on FreeBSD-Alpha > (late 90's or so). Well.. I've had my hands on Alpha prototypes quite a bit too :) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 6:48:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5258A37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CAB43E7B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 06:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 2151 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 14:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 14:48:37 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6EmVn5052219; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:48:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A9@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "Thyer, Matthew" Subject: RE: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Cc: "Wilkinson, Alex" , gallatin@cs.duke.edu, fclift@verio.net, alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > On 06-Nov-2002 Baldwin, John wrote: >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the >> loader. > > Last I checked, the GENERIC kernel still had many network drivers. > > Wouldn't it be possible to put all of those modules on another floppy ? > > Dont worry about implementing interactive module loading for now.... we could just load > them all from the additional floppy under control of the loader. *sigh* THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALREADY. PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT WE DO NOW. (getting tired of saying the same thing over and over and over) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 7:33:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49F537B404; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.cris.net (relay1.cris.net [212.110.128.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1E943E6E; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 07:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ml@phantom.cris.net) Received: from phantom.cris.net (root@phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by relay1.cris.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IYbav013710; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:34:38 GMT Received: (from ml@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) id gA6FcNYW006347; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:38:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ml) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:38:22 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: John Baldwin Cc: "Thyer, Matthew" , "Wilkinson, Alex" , gallatin@cs.duke.edu, fclift@verio.net, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106173822.A6295@phantom.cris.net> References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A9@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:48:32AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:48:32AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > On 06-Nov-2002 Baldwin, John wrote: > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > >> loader. > > > > Last I checked, the GENERIC kernel still had many network drivers. > > > > Wouldn't it be possible to put all of those modules on another floppy ? > > > > Dont worry about implementing interactive module loading for now.... we could just load > > them all from the additional floppy under control of the loader. > > *sigh* THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALREADY. PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT WE DO NOW. > > (getting tired of saying the same thing over and over and over) Sorry, for intruding to your discussion guys, but IIRC out loader has functionality to load one module (kernel.ko for example :) from few flopies. At least it worked well for i386 and quite may work -alpha too. Did you tried to split kernel into two chunks and load it from two flopies instead of striping kernel size over years ? :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10: 8:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD24737B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8583643E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 24522 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 18:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 18:08:46 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6I8en5052842 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:08:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, I'd like to see about getting it fixed. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10: 9:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484AC37B40E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF6443E75 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 30106 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 18:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 18:09:53 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6I9ln5052851; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:09:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: RE: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with > GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. Or on DS20's it seemd as reported in a duplicate PR. Were our 4.4 ISO images just hosed or something? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:10:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE0E37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138AF43E91 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IA7x3032197 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6IA7r2032196; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211061810.gA6IA7r2032196@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/25284; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Are you still seeing this problem? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:10:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD7537B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440D743E3B; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jhb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IAUx3032914; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6IAUsV032907; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200211061810.gA6IAUsV032907@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rvaitelis@yahoo.com, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/32289: memory management fault Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: memory management fault State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jhb State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 6 10:10:14 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: Duplicate of 32757. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=32289 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:18: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05E637B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAA743E4A; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jhb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6II4x3035876; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6II3lX035872; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200211061818.gA6II3lX035872@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dave_d@cwcom.net, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/35815: Can't install 4.5 for Alpha from the 4.5-install.iso. XF86336/Xset.tgz=45bytes long!! Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Can't install 4.5 for Alpha from the 4.5-install.iso. XF86336/Xset.tgz=45bytes long!! State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jhb State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 6 10:17:28 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: I don't think we will ever re-roll ISO's for 4.5. I do know that X installs successfully off of 4.7's disc1 ISO image. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35815 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:30: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0659F37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FC243E7B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IU3x3039489 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6IU3nc039488; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211061830.gA6IU3nc039488@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha/37382: de0 (tulip) DEC-21140A card stays in OACTIVE state after ifconfig up Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/37382; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, yuri@tsoft.com Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/37382: de0 (tulip) DEC-21140A card stays in OACTIVE state after ifconfig up Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:25:36 -0500 (EST) I have a DS20 machine here running 5.0-current that passes traffic through a de0 card fine: > dmesg | grep de0 de0: port 0x10000-0x1007f mem 0x1040000-0x104007f irq 43 at device 8.0 on pci1 de0: interrupting at TSUNAMI irq 43 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:e0:29:05:e5:49 de0: enabling Full Duplex 100baseTX port > ifconfig de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.11 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 00:e0:29:05:e5:49 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Can you still reproduce this problem on 5.0 and can you provide more details about how to do so (exact steps, etc.)? Thanks. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:40: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F6337B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8024443E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Ie3x3043055 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6Ie3Ri043054; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211061840.gA6Ie3Ri043054@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha/38356: 4.5-RELEASE src/sys tree on the alpha arch is m Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/38356; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, mikehable@yahoo.com Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/38356: 4.5-RELEASE src/sys tree on the alpha arch is m Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:35:57 -0500 (EST) To compile the bootstrap code you must have libstand installed as part of the slib distribution. The ssys sources are sufficient for compiling a kernel, but they are not sufficient for compiling the boot code on any architecture. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:43: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA3437B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C5A43E75 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6IghsP072301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IggCu016656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Iggl8047132; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6Igb0J047131; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:37 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: John Baldwin , "Thyer, Matthew" , "Wilkinson, Alex" , gallatin@cs.duke.edu, fclift@verio.net, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106184236.GD46686@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A9@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021106173822.A6295@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021106173822.A6295@phantom.cris.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:38:22PM +0200, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:48:32AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > > On 06-Nov-2002 Baldwin, John wrote: > > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > > >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > > >> loader. > > > > > > Last I checked, the GENERIC kernel still had many network drivers. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be possible to put all of those modules on another floppy ? > > > > > > Dont worry about implementing interactive module loading for now.... we could just load > > > them all from the additional floppy under control of the loader. > > > > *sigh* THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALREADY. PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT WE DO NOW. > > > > (getting tired of saying the same thing over and over and over) > > Sorry, for intruding to your discussion guys, but IIRC out loader has > functionality to load one module (kernel.ko for example :) from few > flopies. At least it worked well for i386 and quite may work -alpha too. > > Did you tried to split kernel into two chunks and load it from two > flopies instead of striping kernel size over years ? :-) I'm personaly quite happy with the descision - with removing floppy support LCA support can get back into 5.0 GENERIC. This is an old discussion reintroduced everytime the kernel does not fit anymore - now there is nothing left to remove. This clearly shows that noone had enough interest to do the coding. I believe most alpha machines out there just have a cd drive to install. If you provide a working patch to what you are proposing there is no reason not to implement it. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:53:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D226237B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683743E3B; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:53:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IrVHX013428; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:53:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6IrVKS013427; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:53:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:53:31 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Message-ID: <20021106195331.A13404@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:08:41PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:08:41PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with I hope I can try the 4100 on -stable sometime tomorrow (at work that is). Don't have any 5.0- around > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:54:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1E837B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C2C43E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IsDHX013451; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:54:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6IsDhm013450; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:54:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:54:13 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Message-ID: <20021106195413.B13404@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:09:48PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:09:48PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 06-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: > > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with > > GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd > > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, > > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. > > Or on DS20's it seemd as reported in a duplicate PR. Were our 4.4 > ISO images just hosed or something? I tried 4.7-RC on a dual DS20 (again at work) and that worked just fine. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 11: 0:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB7637B404 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E4A43E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6J0Cx3050072 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6J0CU5050071; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211061900.gA6J0CU5050071@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/43567; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Archie Cobbs Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:50:43 -0500 (EST) Is this a duplicate of 12623 and 17032? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 11:33:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8B237B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5F243E4A; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jhb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6JXox3068875; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6JXorA068871; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:33:50 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200211061933.gA6JXorA068871@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dvswager@arc.nasa.gov, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/32757: fatal kernel trap using generic kernel for install on Alpha DS20 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fatal kernel trap using generic kernel for install on Alpha DS20 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jhb State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 6 11:33:25 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: Appears to be fixed on 4.7. (DS20 booted ok with a 4.7 disc.) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=32757 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 11:38:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA3237B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3675B43E6E; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jhb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Jchx3069085; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6JchPS069081; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200211061938.gA6JchPS069081@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mikehable@yahoo.com, jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/38356: 4.5-RELEASE src/sys tree on the alpha arch is missing vital files Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: 4.5-RELEASE src/sys tree on the alpha arch is missing vital files State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jhb State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 6 11:37:45 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: This is not a bug and is not i386-specific, it is currently by design. If libstand is ever moved into src/sys then this would be fixed. However, moving libstand requires duplicating substantial portions of libc and is not really ideal. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38356 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12: 0:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5BA37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EBD43E75 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 15279 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 20:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 20:00:52 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6K0in5053194; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:00:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021106195413.B13404@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:00:45 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-2002 Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:09:48PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 06-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: >> > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with >> > GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd >> > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, >> > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. >> >> Or on DS20's it seemd as reported in a duplicate PR. Were our 4.4 >> ISO images just hosed or something? > > I tried 4.7-RC on a dual DS20 (again at work) and that worked just fine. Ok, I'll axe it then. Thanks. Must have been some 4.4 mess up. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12: 8: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4E837B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail3.alcanet.com.au [208.178.117.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FC743E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id gA6K7qwL018058 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:52 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002110707075035:15067 ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:50 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6K7oRL093621 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6K7nvR093620 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:49 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106200749.GJ6446@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A2@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021105002107.GA48239@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021105083559.B5083@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC77F65.727CCDA8@mindspring.com> <20021106080934.GA97235@dragon.nuxi.com> <20021106112120.A11476@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3DC9022E.6535EBBF@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 07/11/2002 07:07:50 AM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 07/11/2002 07:07:52 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2002 07:07:52 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-Nov-06 03:51:10 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: >Wilko Bulte wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:09:34AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: >> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:20:53AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: >> > > Yet... my DEC labelled Alpha box has a floppy drive, but doesn't >> > > have a CDROM drive, unless I hook my own to the SCSI connector... >> > >> > When was the last time you booted that box? When was the last time you >> > installed FreeBSD on that box? >> >> Lemme guess... Multia? > >Yes, Multia. > >I guess the answer to this problem can be the same as the answer to >several other recent problems, and you can declare the hardware >unsupported... not my first choice, of course. I'd also be disappointed if the Multia was de-supported. I'll agree with Terry that the Multia forms a convenient, low-cost solution for developers who want to keep a toe in the Alpha camp without needing to shell out lots of money. (And if developers were forced to test on something like a Multia, they might develop a greater appreciation for efficient code :-). Given that "netboot it" has been a common suggestion for installing FreeBSD on CDROM-less Alphas, it's probably worth mentioning that the FreeBSD netboot is incompatible at least with Multia SRM 3.8.3 (the last). The problem is that netboot's definition of `broken_firmware' in /usr/src/sys/boot/alpha/libalpha/srmnet.c does not cover the Multia (at least with SRM 3.8.3). This SRM is broken enough to need the MAC address explicitly included in netbbinfo, but call to prom_read() in prom_get() _does_ need to specify the receiving structure size (ie the broken_firmware test is not needed). I thought I'd written a PR about this in late 1999 but can't find it and there's been no change to srmnet.c. I'll submit a new PR later today. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12:16:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C35437B406; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C26F43E4A; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KGAHX014127; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:16:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6KGAjN014126; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:16:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:16:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Message-ID: <20021106211610.B14077@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021106195413.B13404@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:00:45PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:00:45PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 06-Nov-2002 Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:09:48PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> On 06-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: > >> > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with > >> > GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd > >> > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, > >> > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. > >> > >> Or on DS20's it seemd as reported in a duplicate PR. Were our 4.4 > >> ISO images just hosed or something? > > > > I tried 4.7-RC on a dual DS20 (again at work) and that worked just fine. > > Ok, I'll axe it then. Thanks. Must have been some 4.4 mess up. No need to check the 4100 either? -- | / o / /_ _ FreeBSD core team secretary |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12:34:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A04A37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B003543E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 17414 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 20:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 20:34:40 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KYWn5053340; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:34:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021106211610.B14077@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:34:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Anyone with SMP 4100's? Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-2002 Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:00:45PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 06-Nov-2002 Wilko Bulte wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 01:09:48PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> >> >> On 06-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: >> >> > Can someone test to see that 4.7 and 5.0 boot and install ok with >> >> > GENERIC on SMP 4100's? This is in regards to PR alpha/32289. I'd >> >> > like to close it if it's not reproducible. If it is reproducible, >> >> > I'd like to see about getting it fixed. >> >> >> >> Or on DS20's it seemd as reported in a duplicate PR. Were our 4.4 >> >> ISO images just hosed or something? >> > >> > I tried 4.7-RC on a dual DS20 (again at work) and that worked just fine. >> >> Ok, I'll axe it then. Thanks. Must have been some 4.4 mess up. > > No need to check the 4100 either? Don't think so. I think we must have had a bogus 4.4 image or something. Same exact NULL pointer panic on both DS20 and 4100 in two separate PR's. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12:34:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A48237B404 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5244C43E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 17440 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 20:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2002 20:34:44 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KYZn5053343; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:34:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021106200009.GA807@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-2002 Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> Are you still seeing this problem? > > Yes. Hmm. Anyone else having problems with reboot(8) hanging if used on the graphics console? Also, does this happen in a kernel where 'SMP' is removed? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12:40: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BB137B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D1A43E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Ke3x3095278 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6Ke3ZJ095276; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211062040.gA6Ke3ZJ095276@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Reply-To: Christian Weisgerber Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/25284; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Christian Weisgerber To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:00:09 +0100 > Are you still seeing this problem? Yes. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 12:40: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E0A37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32DD43E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Ke5x3095289 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6Ke54I095286; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211062040.gA6Ke54I095286@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/25284; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:34:36 -0500 (EST) On 06-Nov-2002 Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> Are you still seeing this problem? > > Yes. Hmm. Anyone else having problems with reboot(8) hanging if used on the graphics console? Also, does this happen in a kernel where 'SMP' is removed? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 13:19: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E8C37B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C03F43E6E; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:19:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0355.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.100] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189XZm-00039x-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC986F0.1C195D8@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:17:36 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Applause for John Baldwin References: <200211062040.gA6Ke54I095286@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > The following reply was made to PR alpha/25284; it has been noted by GNATS. I, for one, really appreciate John Baldwin taking it upon himself to go through the outstanding Alpha PR's prior to the 5.0-RELEASE, when no one else with commit priviledges has been willing to do it. There are over 3000 open PR's, 1800 of them which are "ports" related, leaving 1200 of them which aren't. of these, 900 are related to the kernel itself, and the reset are divided up among other places. Yet up to now, no one has seemed very concerned. If you have a commit bit, you could do much worse than to follow this example. My hat is off to John Baldwin. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 14:47:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B2E37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BE043E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 1018639305; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:47:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E53CD581 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:47:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:47:11 +0100 (CET) From: Sten To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Alphastation 500 Floppy Drive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that ppl bring up floppy stuff... I recently swapped my alphastation 200 for a 500, and have a strange problem. The machine panics when I dd a floppy, I am using the 4.7-Release GENERIC kernel. Just wondering if someone if someone had encountered this one before :). I'll try to chalk up a pr with a gdb trace. -- Sten Spans "What does one do with ones money, when there is no more empty rackspace ?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:13:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FA737B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8496143E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:13:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6ND8v29633; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:13:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:13:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: jeff@freebsd.org, , , Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021106181122.K1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Slab at 0xfffffc0016a55f78, freei 59 = 0. > panic: Duplicate free of item 0xfffffc0016a55620 from zone > 0xfffffc001fff3740(MAP ENTRY) > > cpuid = 2; > panic > Stopped at Debugger+0x34: zapnot v0,#0xf,v0 > db> t > Debugger() at Debugger+0x34 > panic() at panic+0x1a4 > uma_dbg_free() at uma_dbg_free+0x170 > uma_zfree_arg() at uma_zfree_arg+0x130 > vm_map_entry_dispose() at vm_map_entry_dispose+0x44 > vm_map_entry_delete() at vm_map_entry_delete+0x68 > vm_map_delete() at vm_map_delete+0x32c > vm_map_remove() at vm_map_remove+0x64 > exit1() at exit1+0x510 > sys_exit() at sys_exit+0x58 > syscall() at syscall+0x358 > XentSys() at XentSys+0x64 > --- syscall (1, FreeBSD ELF64, sys_exit) --- > --- user mode --- > db> > > > 4 processor SMP 4100, doing a make -j4 buildworld > > Is this repeatable? I'm still trying to get my 4100 up on current. I heard from jhb that there are some alpha pmap races. I wonder if this could be related? Alan, do you have any ideas? Cheers, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:27:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D4A37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2793043E4A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7222B3BF320 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6NRk316473 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:27:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:28:35 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: Subject: 5.0 alpha install tests Message-ID: <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see if the install would work. I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a position to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:28:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A08D37B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B641C43E4A; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA6NSnZ37074; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: jeff@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org, alc@freebsd.org, jhb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021106181122.K1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > > Slab at 0xfffffc0016a55f78, freei 59 = 0. > > panic: Duplicate free of item 0xfffffc0016a55620 from zone > > 0xfffffc001fff3740(MAP ENTRY) > > > > cpuid = 2; > > panic > > Stopped at Debugger+0x34: zapnot v0,#0xf,v0 > > db> t > > Debugger() at Debugger+0x34 > > panic() at panic+0x1a4 > > uma_dbg_free() at uma_dbg_free+0x170 > > uma_zfree_arg() at uma_zfree_arg+0x130 > > vm_map_entry_dispose() at vm_map_entry_dispose+0x44 > > vm_map_entry_delete() at vm_map_entry_delete+0x68 > > vm_map_delete() at vm_map_delete+0x32c > > vm_map_remove() at vm_map_remove+0x64 > > exit1() at exit1+0x510 > > sys_exit() at sys_exit+0x58 > > syscall() at syscall+0x358 > > XentSys() at XentSys+0x64 > > --- syscall (1, FreeBSD ELF64, sys_exit) --- > > --- user mode --- > > db> > > > > > > 4 processor SMP 4100, doing a make -j4 buildworld > > > > > > Is this repeatable? I'm still trying to get my 4100 up on current. I > heard from jhb that there are some alpha pmap races. I wonder if this > could be related? I dunno. I got thru a buildworld by not doing -j4. I've restarted one now at that level. Drew also suggested a couple of things to try > > Alan, do you have any ideas? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:29:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B99E37B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8956443E3B; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:29:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6NTkY37326; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:29:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:29:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: jeff@freebsd.org, , , Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021106182932.J1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jeff Roberson wrote: > > > > > > Slab at 0xfffffc0016a55f78, freei 59 = 0. > > > panic: Duplicate free of item 0xfffffc0016a55620 from zone > > > 0xfffffc001fff3740(MAP ENTRY) > > > > > > cpuid = 2; > > > panic > > > Stopped at Debugger+0x34: zapnot v0,#0xf,v0 > > > db> t > > > Debugger() at Debugger+0x34 > > > panic() at panic+0x1a4 > > > uma_dbg_free() at uma_dbg_free+0x170 > > > uma_zfree_arg() at uma_zfree_arg+0x130 > > > vm_map_entry_dispose() at vm_map_entry_dispose+0x44 > > > vm_map_entry_delete() at vm_map_entry_delete+0x68 > > > vm_map_delete() at vm_map_delete+0x32c > > > vm_map_remove() at vm_map_remove+0x64 > > > exit1() at exit1+0x510 > > > sys_exit() at sys_exit+0x58 > > > syscall() at syscall+0x358 > > > XentSys() at XentSys+0x64 > > > --- syscall (1, FreeBSD ELF64, sys_exit) --- > > > --- user mode --- > > > db> > > > > > > > > > 4 processor SMP 4100, doing a make -j4 buildworld > > > > > > > > > > Is this repeatable? I'm still trying to get my 4100 up on current. I > > heard from jhb that there are some alpha pmap races. I wonder if this > > could be related? > > I dunno. I got thru a buildworld by not doing -j4. I've restarted one > now at that level. Drew also suggested a couple of things to try > Such as? Thanks! Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:53:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CB637B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E37443E3B; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:53:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA6NrmZ37272; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, alc@freebsd.org, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021106182932.J1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Such as? > > Thanks! > Jeff > > Some atomic changes he made. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 15:58:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062A337B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2008743E6E; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14502; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA6Nw4837961; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:58:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15817.44172.809351.382956@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:58:04 -0500 (EST) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Jeff Roberson , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: References: <20021106182932.J1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > Such as? > > > > Thanks! > > Jeff > > > > > > Some atomic changes he made. alpha/include/atomic.h rev 1.17 (try 1.16) alpha/alpha/atomic.s rev 1.6 (try 1.5) John thinks the expensive extra memory barriers in the atomic ops may have masked existing pmap problems. I've been running the patch for 2 months on a UP config and not seen any problems. I did once see a strange Heisenbug when using an SMP kernel on a UP machine, but, again, not sure if that's related to the atomic changes. Once I put in a ktr to trace the trap, the bug disappeared. Since you're using the K0SEG, I"m not sure how pmap comes into play. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 16:16:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434D737B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta03.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351E643E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:16:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20021107001641.VSYH22360.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:16:41 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:15:48 +1100 To: Fred Clift From: Rob B Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests Cc: In-Reply-To: <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:28 6/11/2002 -0700, Fred Clift sent this up the stick: >Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see >if the install would work. > >I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a position >to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a >remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? I've just finished installing 5.0DP-1 on a PC64 (Cabriolet) I did an FTP install from the DP-1 CD across the local network. The APECS chipset in my Alpha is not recognised by FreeBSD. cheers, Rob -- "To you, I'm an atheist; to God, I am the Loyal Opposition." - Woody Allen This is random quote 90 of a collection of 1254 Distance from the centre of the brewing universe: [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 16:19:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3F837B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBC443E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15393; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA70J6537983; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15817.45434.113476.499828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:19:06 -0500 (EST) To: Rob B Cc: Fred Clift , Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> References: <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rob B writes: > At 16:28 6/11/2002 -0700, Fred Clift sent this up the stick: > > >Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see > >if the install would work. > > > >I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a position > >to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a > >remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? > > I've just finished installing 5.0DP-1 on a PC64 (Cabriolet) I did an FTP > install from the DP-1 CD across the local network. The APECS chipset in my > Alpha is not recognised by FreeBSD. So, you did an install but your chipset is not recognised? Thats, well, impossible. Can you supply an error message, and a show conf from the SRM promp? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 16:23:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A0E37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7578043E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA70NIHX015802; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:23:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA70NI19015801; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:23:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:23:18 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Rob B Cc: Fred Clift , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests Message-ID: <20021107012318.B15730@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au>; from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 11:15:48AM +1100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 11:15:48AM +1100, Rob B wrote: > At 16:28 6/11/2002 -0700, Fred Clift sent this up the stick: > > >Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see > >if the install would work. > > > >I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a position > >to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a > >remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? > > I've just finished installing 5.0DP-1 on a PC64 (Cabriolet) I did an FTP > install from the DP-1 CD across the local network. The APECS chipset in my > Alpha is not recognised by FreeBSD. Que? APECS is a core chipset, if that is not recognised FreeBSD will NOT install.. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 16:30:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1956E37B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FBF43E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 189aZU-00083A-01; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:30:56 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6NaP1x007490; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:36:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6NaPGf007489; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:36:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:36:25 +0100 From: Christian Weisgerber To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Message-ID: <20021106233625.GB7432@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20021106200009.GA807@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also, does this happen in a kernel where 'SMP' is removed? Yes. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 16:40: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41AD37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D05043E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA70e3x3002893 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA70e366002892; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211070040.gA70e366002892@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Christian Weisgerber Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Reply-To: Christian Weisgerber Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/25284; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Christian Weisgerber To: John Baldwin Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/25284: PC164 won't reboot with graphics console Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:36:25 +0100 > Also, does this happen in a kernel where 'SMP' is removed? Yes. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 17:20:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65037B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A894D43E42 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:20:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20021107012047.LQNK22483.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:20:47 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107121550.01daadd0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:19:54 +1100 To: Andrew Gallatin From: Rob B Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests Cc: In-Reply-To: <15817.45434.113476.499828@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 19:19 6/11/2002 -0500, Andrew Gallatin sent this up the stick: >Rob B writes: > > At 16:28 6/11/2002 -0700, Fred Clift sent this up the stick: > > > > >Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see > > >if the install would work. > > > > > >I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a > position > > >to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a > > >remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? > > > > I've just finished installing 5.0DP-1 on a PC64 (Cabriolet) I did an FTP > > install from the DP-1 CD across the local network. The APECS chipset > in my > > Alpha is not recognised by FreeBSD. > >So, you did an install but your chipset is not recognised? Thats, >well, impossible. Can you supply an error message, and a show conf >from the SRM promp? OK ... maybe my terminology was out (a lot). The APECS is in dmesg, the IDE interfaces don't show up at all. cheers, Rob -- There is no time like the pleasant. This is random quote 1053 of a collection of 1254 Distance from the centre of the brewing universe: [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 17:48:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A9337B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FB343E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:48:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA71mEc21377; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:48:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:48:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: mjacob@feral.com, , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <15817.44172.809351.382956@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20021106204331.F17759-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > alpha/include/atomic.h rev 1.17 (try 1.16) > alpha/alpha/atomic.s rev 1.6 (try 1.5) > > John thinks the expensive extra memory barriers in the atomic ops may > have masked existing pmap problems. I've been running the patch for > 2 months on a UP config and not seen any problems. I did once see a > strange Heisenbug when using an SMP kernel on a UP machine, but, > again, not sure if that's related to the atomic changes. Once I put > in a ktr to trace the trap, the bug disappeared. > > Since you're using the K0SEG, I"m not sure how pmap comes into play. > > Drew > Well, I have actually seen this panic one other time on a SMP system. Although this was a two way and not four. I have single proc alphas that get almost as much usage and have never had this panic. Unfortunately, I too have only seen this once. This was way before the K0SEG changes as well. I bring up pmap because it was already somewhat suspect and we're panicing through some vm weirdness. There is definitely some bug here that is alpha specific. Hopefully when I get my 4way system up again I can reproduce it and get some more insight into the problem. Cheers, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 18:44:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F8137B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DC043E6E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21635; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA72iPu38096; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:44:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15817.54153.877605.21120@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:44:25 -0500 (EST) To: Rob B Cc: Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107121550.01daadd0@pop.ozemail.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au> <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20021107121550.01daadd0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rob B writes: > > OK ... maybe my terminology was out (a lot). The APECS is in dmesg, the > IDE interfaces don't show up at all. Again, it would help, A LOT, to see dmesg, pciconf -lv, and 'show conf' output. (the latter being done from the SRM console). Also, did this work with previous version of FreeBSD, or is this the first time this machine was installed with FreeBSD? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 18:50: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD47037B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8835843E4A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA72o3x3057246 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA72o3Jt057245; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:50:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211070250.gA72o3Jt057245@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Archie Cobbs Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps Reply-To: Archie Cobbs Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/43567; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Archie Cobbs To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:34:41 -0800 (PST) John Baldwin writes: > Is this a duplicate of 12623 and 17032? Looks pretty similar to those. Only analysis of the code (or fixing the bug and testing) would tell for sure of course, but most likely they're all part of the same underlying bug. -Archie __________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Packet Design * http://www.packetdesign.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 19:27:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AD037B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B19E43E3B; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:27:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23513; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA73R9R38136; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:27:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15817.56717.674758.280391@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:27:09 -0500 (EST) To: Archie Cobbs Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, jhb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps In-Reply-To: <200211070250.gA72o3Jt057245@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200211070250.gA72o3Jt057245@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Archie Cobbs writes: > The following reply was made to PR alpha/43567; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Archie Cobbs > To: John Baldwin > Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: alpha/43567: strtod() core dumps > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:34:41 -0800 (PST) > > John Baldwin writes: > > Is this a duplicate of 12623 and 17032? > > Looks pretty similar to those. Only analysis of the code (or fixing > the bug and testing) would tell for sure of course, but most likely > they're all part of the same underlying bug. The quick fix is to build libc and libm with -mieee. That slows things down a lot, so I haven't had the balls to do it unilaterally. We really should do it though. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 20:58: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3B437B401; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from eumenes.hosting.swbell.net (eumenes.hosting.swbell.net [216.100.98.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C1A43E42; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alc@imimic.com) Received: from imimic.com (adsl-216-63-78-19.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.63.78.19]) by eumenes.hosting.swbell.net id XAA23022; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:57:31 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <3DC9F2B9.50B0B8E4@imimic.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:57:29 -0600 From: "Alan L. Cox" Organization: iMimic Networking, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Matthew Jacob , jeff@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org, alc@freebsd.org, jhb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie References: <20021106181122.K1374-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeff Roberson wrote: > ... > Alan, do you have any ideas? This particular code path is heavily exercised; and I haven't heard of any similar panics on x86-based systems. These observations make me wonder if there isn't a missing memory barrier between a uma_dbg_alloc() on one CPU and the uma_dbg_free() that's panicing on the other CPU. In other words, how are accesses to us_freelist[] being synchronized? Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 6:33:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E215537B4E9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A2443E42 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 27924 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2002 14:33:32 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7EXTn5056079; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:33:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Fred Clift Subject: RE: 5.0 alpha install tests Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Nov-2002 Fred Clift wrote: > > Week or two ago there was a request to try out -current on alphas to see > if the install would work. > > I now have removeable disk-carriers in my alpha and would be in a position > to try this -- can anyone outline the steps I'd take? I need to try a > remote-ftp install? I download iso images and burn them? It doesn't quite work yet. I'll commit the needed patches to libdisk just as soon as my test install finishes in about 10 minutes or so. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:11:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D606C37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2062943E4A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA7IBHZ44880 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the next step. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:18:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373B137B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E6843E8A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA7IIOZ44964 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Message-ID: <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > FYI > > I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to > fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. > > I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the > next step. > > > Oh- and here are the diffs- somebody can tell me quickly if they think this is wrong. It took me so damned long because I didn't realize I could do a chroot shell and iteratively work on the constantly breaking release.9 step from the release filesystem directly. That's probably something worth noting in the man page. Salient points: + all networking/nfsclient had to be moved to moved to modules + have to keep COMPAT_FREEBSD4 (according to many) + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to include them) + ispfw included on floppy 3 so that the number of "why didn't this work?" emails can be cut down (yes, before 5.0 ships this will all be documented) + TurboLaser removed- *some* TurboLasers have a floppy. *All* have CDROMs. It's also probably true that because we cannot test TurboLaser all that much that this was the extra 40KB needed to fit onto the floppy. Index: dokern.sh =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/alpha/dokern.sh,v retrieving revision 1.58 diff -u -r1.58 dokern.sh --- dokern.sh 5 Nov 2002 14:44:46 -0000 1.58 +++ dokern.sh 7 Nov 2002 05:36:35 -0000 @@ -6,10 +6,12 @@ sed \ -e '/DEC_3000_300/d' \ -e '/DEC_3000_500/d' \ + -e '/DEC_KN8AE/d' \ -e '/SOFTUPDATES/d' \ -e '/UFS_ACL/d' \ -e '/UFS_DIRHASH/d' \ -e '/MFS/d' \ + -e '/NFSCLIENT/d' \ -e '/NFSSERVER/d' \ -e '/NFS_ROOT/d' \ -e '/MSDOSFS/d' \ @@ -26,7 +28,6 @@ -e '/WITNESS/d' \ -e '/AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT/d' \ -e '/AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT/d' \ - -e '/COMPAT_FREEBSD4/d' \ -e '/SMP/d' \ -e '/atapifd/d' \ -e '/atapist/d' \ @@ -37,6 +38,7 @@ -e '/ amr/d' \ -e '/splash/d' \ -e '/ apm/d' \ + -e '/ bpf/d' \ -e '/pmtimer/d' \ -e '/pcm/d' \ -e '/ppc/d' \ @@ -74,12 +76,27 @@ -e '/cue/d' \ -e '/kue/d' \ -e '/maxusers/d' \ + -e '/ahc/d' \ + -e '/mpt.*MPT/d' \ + -e '/txp/d' \ + -e '/dc.*21143/d' \ + -e '/de.*Tulip/d' \ + -e '/fxp/d' \ + -e '/rl.*Real/d' \ + -e '/tl.*Texas/d' \ + -e '/vr.*VIA/d' \ + -e '/xl.*Boom/d' \ + -e '/tun.*unnel/d' \ + -e '/vx.*Vort/d' \ + -e '/ch.*media/d' \ + -e '/miibus/d' \ + -e '/UFS_DIRHASH/d' \ + -e '/MSDOSFS/d' \ -e 's/ident.*GENERIC/ident BOOTMFS/g' -echo "options NO_COMPAT_FREEBSD4" - # reset maxusers to something lower -echo "maxusers 5" +echo "maxusers 2" echo "options SCSI_NO_OP_STRINGS" echo "options SCSI_NO_SENSE_STRINGS" +echo "makeoptions NO_MODULES=1" Index: drivers.conf =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/alpha/drivers.conf,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 drivers.conf --- drivers.conf 5 Nov 2002 14:44:46 -0000 1.8 +++ drivers.conf 6 Nov 2002 06:12:12 -0000 @@ -36,7 +36,9 @@ # #drv filename floppy type description -de if_de 2 network "DEC DE435 PCI NIC or other DC21040-AA based card" +miibus miibus 2 network "MII bus support" +de if_de 2 network "DEC DEC/Intel 21040, 21041, 21140" +dc if_dc 2 network "DEC DEC/Intel 21143 and workalikes" txp if_txp 2 network "3Com 3XP Typhoon/Sidewinder (3CR990) NIC" vx if_vx 2 network "3Com 3c590 and 3c595 EtherLink III NIC" miibus miibus 2 network "MII bus support" @@ -46,9 +48,9 @@ rl if_rl 2 network "RealTek 8129/8139" tl if_tl 2 network "Texas Instruments ThunderLAN" vr if_vr 2 network "VIA Rhine, Rhine II" +vx if_vx 2 network "3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'')" xl if_xl 2 network "3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'')" +nfsclient nfsclient 3 options "NFS client support" amr amr 3 disk "AMI MegaRAID" mlx mlx 3 disk "Mylex DAC-family RAID" -ahc ahc 3 disk "AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxxx devices" -isp isp 3 disk "Qlogic family SCSI" -mpt mpt 3 disk "LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion" +ispfw ispfw 3 disk "Qlogic family SCSI firmware modules" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:31:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFED37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015743E4A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 22089 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 18:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2002 18:31:33 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7IVRn5056904; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:31:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Matthew Jacob Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Nov-2002 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > >> >> FYI >> >> I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to >> fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. >> >> I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the >> next step. >> >> >> > > Oh- and here are the diffs- somebody can tell me quickly if they think > this is wrong. > > It took me so damned long because I didn't realize I could do a chroot > shell and iteratively work on the constantly breaking release.9 step > from the release filesystem directly. That's probably something worth > noting in the man page. make rerelease :) > Salient points: > > + all networking/nfsclient had to be moved to moved to modules > + have to keep COMPAT_FREEBSD4 (according to many) > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > include them) > + ispfw included on floppy 3 so that the number of "why didn't this > work?" emails can be cut down (yes, before 5.0 ships this will > all be documented) > + TurboLaser removed- *some* TurboLasers have a floppy. *All* have > CDROMs. It's also probably true that because we cannot test TurboLaser > all that much that this was the extra 40KB needed to fit onto the > floppy. One note, you don't need to mention stuff in dokern.sh if it is mentioned in drivers.conf as they are automatically removed. > Index: dokern.sh > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/alpha/dokern.sh,v > retrieving revision 1.58 > diff -u -r1.58 dokern.sh > --- dokern.sh 5 Nov 2002 14:44:46 -0000 1.58 > +++ dokern.sh 7 Nov 2002 05:36:35 -0000 > @@ -6,10 +6,12 @@ > sed \ > -e '/DEC_3000_300/d' \ > -e '/DEC_3000_500/d' \ > + -e '/DEC_KN8AE/d' \ > -e '/SOFTUPDATES/d' \ > -e '/UFS_ACL/d' \ > -e '/UFS_DIRHASH/d' \ > -e '/MFS/d' \ > + -e '/NFSCLIENT/d' \ > -e '/NFSSERVER/d' \ > -e '/NFS_ROOT/d' \ > -e '/MSDOSFS/d' \ > @@ -26,7 +28,6 @@ > -e '/WITNESS/d' \ > -e '/AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT/d' \ > -e '/AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT/d' \ > - -e '/COMPAT_FREEBSD4/d' \ > -e '/SMP/d' \ > -e '/atapifd/d' \ > -e '/atapist/d' \ > @@ -37,6 +38,7 @@ > -e '/ amr/d' \ > -e '/splash/d' \ > -e '/ apm/d' \ > + -e '/ bpf/d' \ This breaks dhcp installs. > -e '/pmtimer/d' \ > -e '/pcm/d' \ > -e '/ppc/d' \ > @@ -74,12 +76,27 @@ > -e '/cue/d' \ > -e '/kue/d' \ > -e '/maxusers/d' \ > + -e '/ahc/d' \ > + -e '/mpt.*MPT/d' \ > + -e '/txp/d' \ > + -e '/dc.*21143/d' \ > + -e '/de.*Tulip/d' \ > + -e '/fxp/d' \ > + -e '/rl.*Real/d' \ > + -e '/tl.*Texas/d' \ > + -e '/vr.*VIA/d' \ > + -e '/xl.*Boom/d' \ > + -e '/tun.*unnel/d' \ > + -e '/vx.*Vort/d' \ > + -e '/ch.*media/d' \ > + -e '/miibus/d' \ > + -e '/UFS_DIRHASH/d' \ > + -e '/MSDOSFS/d' \ > -e 's/ident.*GENERIC/ident BOOTMFS/g' > > -echo "options NO_COMPAT_FREEBSD4" > - > # reset maxusers to something lower > -echo "maxusers 5" > +echo "maxusers 2" > > echo "options SCSI_NO_OP_STRINGS" > echo "options SCSI_NO_SENSE_STRINGS" > +echo "makeoptions NO_MODULES=1" You don't need to do this I think. > Index: drivers.conf > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/alpha/drivers.conf,v > retrieving revision 1.8 > diff -u -r1.8 drivers.conf > --- drivers.conf 5 Nov 2002 14:44:46 -0000 1.8 > +++ drivers.conf 6 Nov 2002 06:12:12 -0000 > @@ -36,7 +36,9 @@ > # > > #drv filename floppy type description > -de if_de 2 network "DEC DE435 PCI NIC or other DC21040-AA based card" > +miibus miibus 2 network "MII bus support" > +de if_de 2 network "DEC DEC/Intel 21040, 21041, 21140" > +dc if_dc 2 network "DEC DEC/Intel 21143 and workalikes" > txp if_txp 2 network "3Com 3XP Typhoon/Sidewinder (3CR990) NIC" > vx if_vx 2 network "3Com 3c590 and 3c595 EtherLink III NIC" > miibus miibus 2 network "MII bus support" > @@ -46,9 +48,9 @@ > rl if_rl 2 network "RealTek 8129/8139" > tl if_tl 2 network "Texas Instruments ThunderLAN" > vr if_vr 2 network "VIA Rhine, Rhine II" > +vx if_vx 2 network "3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'')" > xl if_xl 2 network "3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'')" > +nfsclient nfsclient 3 options "NFS client support" > amr amr 3 disk "AMI MegaRAID" > mlx mlx 3 disk "Mylex DAC-family RAID" > -ahc ahc 3 disk "AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxxx devices" > -isp isp 3 disk "Qlogic family SCSI" > -mpt mpt 3 disk "LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion" > +ispfw ispfw 3 disk "Qlogic family SCSI firmware modules" -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:32:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6021C37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19A043E75 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 22747 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 18:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2002 18:32:45 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7IWcn5056916; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:32:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Matthew Jacob Subject: RE: floppies for alpha/DP2 Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Nov-2002 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > FYI > > I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to > fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. > > I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the > next step. They won't be. I'm currently working on trying to fix libdisk to work again on alpha machines. The only remaining problem seems to be that somehow the checksum on the disk is wrong after an install so the disks won't boot from SRM. I don't know why yet. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:34: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE5A37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530F843E6E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04465; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id gA7IXPZ39333; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15818.45557.413956.571217@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> References: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob writes: > # reset maxusers to something lower > -echo "maxusers 5" > +echo "maxusers 2" > Cool. I never thought of that when I was hacking on it a few weeks ago. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:36:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2416837B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9558D43E3B; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA7IaHZ45239; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021107103417.C4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Oh- and here are the diffs- somebody can tell me quickly if they think > > this is wrong. > > > > It took me so damned long because I didn't realize I could do a chroot > > shell and iteratively work on the constantly breaking release.9 step > > from the release filesystem directly. That's probably something worth > > noting in the man page. > > make rerelease :) Umm- I thought you had to actually have a good complete run first for rerelease- at least that's how I read the makefile. > One note, you don't need to mention stuff in dokern.sh if it is > mentioned in drivers.conf as they are automatically removed. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you restate? > > + -e '/ bpf/d' \ > > This breaks dhcp installs. Ah. That should then go to floppy 2. > > echo "options SCSI_NO_SENSE_STRINGS" > > +echo "makeoptions NO_MODULES=1" > > You don't need to do this I think. No, but it shortens building an MFS kernel by 30 minutes. Thanks. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:44:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D18D37B404 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E6243EC2 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7IiVCE016112; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA7IhFv7016052; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:43:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:43:15 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021107184315.GA16027@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Matthew Jacob , alpha@freebsd.org References: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > include them) 164LX, pc164sx, ds10, ds20 all will boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW. Totally up to those that make the floppy install work if they want to cater to this card. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 10:47:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC6137B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218E143E42; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA7IlYZ45639; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021107184315.GA16027@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: <20021107104712.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > > include them) > > 164LX, pc164sx, ds10, ds20 all will boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW. Uh- I sure can't find any SRM that actually *does* do this. > Totally up to those that make the floppy install work if they want to > cater to this card. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 11:46:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391CA37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B2543E42; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7JjrsP095711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:45:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7JjqCu024459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:45:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7Jjpl8050873; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:45:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA7JjnEt050872; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:45:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:45:49 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: John Baldwin Cc: Matthew Jacob , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021107194548.GY46686@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 01:32:40PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 07-Nov-2002 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > FYI > > > > I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to > > fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. > > > > I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the > > next step. > > They won't be. I'm currently working on trying to fix libdisk to > work again on alpha machines. The only remaining problem seems to be > that somehow the checksum on the disk is wrong after an install so the > disks won't boot from SRM. I don't know why yet. Sounds like the same problem that I had when trying to boot from UFS2. No way to get a new disklabel to work from SRM. It only worked with an old disklabel. Unfortunately I went out of time to investigate further. This is the last outstanding problem to boot from UFS2. If you already try this - can you please verify that an UFS2 enabled boot1 also works for UFS1 floppies? We could safely enable it then. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 14:37: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748C037B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B2143E42; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0030.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.30] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189vGc-0006vW-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:36:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCAEAAD.B98C42F6@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:35:25 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: David O'Brien , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 References: <20021107104712.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > > > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > > > include them) > > > > 164LX, pc164sx, ds10, ds20 all will boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW. > > Uh- I sure can't find any SRM that actually *does* do this. I had the loan of a 164SX that would do this, way back when; this was the same box that the Linux people were using for the original Alpha Linux port at Univeristy of Arizona in Tucson. You are unlikely to find an SRM that supports it, since there are different version of the AHA card, and only the older version is supported (the one that DEC used to sell). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 14:38:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB7F37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7743E3B; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA7McFZ47588; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: "David O'Brien" , Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <3DCAEAAD.B98C42F6@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > > > > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > > > > include them) > > > > > > 164LX, pc164sx, ds10, ds20 all will boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW. > > > > Uh- I sure can't find any SRM that actually *does* do this. > > I had the loan of a 164SX that would do this, way back when; this > was the same box that the Linux people were using for the original > Alpha Linux port at Univeristy of Arizona in Tucson. SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. > > You are unlikely to find an SRM that supports it, since there are > different version of the AHA card, and only the older version is > supported (the one that DEC used to sell). > > -- Terry > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 14:52:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D5437B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8941643E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:52:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7MqNHX021087; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:52:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA7MqNrn021082; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:52:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:52:23 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021107235223.A20948@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021107100959.I4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021107101316.U4414-100000@wonky.feral.com>; from mjacob@feral.com on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > FYI > > > > I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to > > fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. > > > > I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the > > next step. > > > > > > > > Oh- and here are the diffs- somebody can tell me quickly if they think > this is wrong. > > It took me so damned long because I didn't realize I could do a chroot > shell and iteratively work on the constantly breaking release.9 step > from the release filesystem directly. That's probably something worth > noting in the man page. > > Salient points: > > + all networking/nfsclient had to be moved to moved to modules > + have to keep COMPAT_FREEBSD4 (according to many) > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > include them) > + ispfw included on floppy 3 so that the number of "why didn't this > work?" emails can be cut down (yes, before 5.0 ships this will > all be documented) > + TurboLaser removed- *some* TurboLasers have a floppy. *All* have > CDROMs. It's also probably true that because we cannot test TurboLaser > all that much that this was the extra 40KB needed to fit onto the > floppy. Tlaser is probably fsck-ed on -current, judging from it being fsck-ed on -stable (4.7-RC) as well. Admittedly I have not tried recently. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 15: 4:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8AC37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9771B43E3B; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7N4AHX021160; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:04:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA7N4AH2021159; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:04:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:04:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Terry Lambert , "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021108000410.B20948@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3DCAEAAD.B98C42F6@mindspring.com> <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com>; from mjacob@feral.com on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:38:15PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:38:15PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:18:24AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > + isp/sym are the only supported SCSI HBAs; mlx is also supported > > > > > (reason: SRM won't boot off any others, so no point in trying to > > > > > include them) > > > > > > > > 164LX, pc164sx, ds10, ds20 all will boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW. > > > > > > Uh- I sure can't find any SRM that actually *does* do this. > > > > I had the loan of a 164SX that would do this, way back when; this > > was the same box that the Linux people were using for the original > > Alpha Linux port at Univeristy of Arizona in Tucson. > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. Possible, but I have had other reports on AH2940 being bootable by some (rare) SRM as well. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 15:42:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB08737B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD243E4A; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0030.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.30] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189wIN-0001KQ-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:42:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3DCAF9F6.3060EA32@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:40:38 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: David O'Brien , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 References: <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > I had the loan of a 164SX that would do this, way back when; this > > was the same box that the Linux people were using for the original > > Alpha Linux port at Univeristy of Arizona in Tucson. > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. No, it was SRM. I have a floppy with it on it, and I think it's still downloadable from their FTP server. The SRM was hacked to not bitch when there was only 16M of RAM in the machine; most SRMs would blow chunks, as distributed, because they knew DEC UNIX wanted 64M. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 16: 4:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D28337B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE42043E75 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA804aCE020503; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA803KxI020468; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:03:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:03:20 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Matthew Jacob , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021108000320.GA20372@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Wilko Bulte , Matthew Jacob , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3DCAEAAD.B98C42F6@mindspring.com> <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20021108000410.B20948@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021108000410.B20948@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:04:10AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. > > Possible, but I have had other reports on AH2940 being bootable by some > (rare) SRM as well. It is not rare. I have personally booted FreeBSD on a disk one an AHA-2940UW on a pc164sx, a ds10, and a ds20. As jhb to show you his dmesg if you don't believe me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 16:43:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC84E37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1CE43E42; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA80hMZ48650; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:43:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Wilko Bulte , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021108000320.GA20372@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Relax David. It's just that some of us who've been around alphas since they came out and personally own at least 5 of them and keep them *relatively* up to date had not found such an SRM despite several years of rumors and looking. I'm glad there is such a one. If somebocy can be so kind as to make ahc.ko for alpha there's still plenty of room on the driver disk for it. On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:04:10AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. > > > > Possible, but I have had other reports on AH2940 being bootable by some > > (rare) SRM as well. > > It is not rare. I have personally booted FreeBSD on a disk one an > AHA-2940UW on a pc164sx, a ds10, and a ds20. As jhb to show you his > dmesg if you don't believe me. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 18:41:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F110337B497 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960643E77 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:41:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 6111 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Nov 2002 02:41:55 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA82fgn5058339; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:41:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021107103417.C4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Matthew Jacob Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Nov-2002 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > >> > >> > Oh- and here are the diffs- somebody can tell me quickly if they think >> > this is wrong. >> > >> > It took me so damned long because I didn't realize I could do a chroot >> > shell and iteratively work on the constantly breaking release.9 step >> > from the release filesystem directly. That's probably something worth >> > noting in the man page. >> >> make rerelease :) > > Umm- I thought you had to actually have a good complete run first for > rerelease- at least that's how I read the makefile. > >> One note, you don't need to mention stuff in dokern.sh if it is >> mentioned in drivers.conf as they are automatically removed. > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you restate? The things listed in drivers.conf are automatically sed'd out, you don't need to list them again in doFS.sh. >> > + -e '/ bpf/d' \ >> >> This breaks dhcp installs. > > Ah. That should then go to floppy 2. > >> > echo "options SCSI_NO_SENSE_STRINGS" >> > +echo "makeoptions NO_MODULES=1" >> >> You don't need to do this I think. > > No, but it shortens building an MFS kernel by 30 minutes. Ah, that's only due to breakage introduced when cross release support was added. :-/ -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 18:42: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B1A37B63B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C134B43E7B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 10003 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 02:42:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Nov 2002 02:42:03 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA82fnn5058345; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:41:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021107194548.GY46686@cicely8.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthew Jacob Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Nov-2002 Bernd Walter wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 01:32:40PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 07-Nov-2002 Matthew Jacob wrote: >> > >> > FYI >> > >> > I've just barely managed to finally shuffle and squeeze things down to >> > fit floppies- 7 blocks to spare for kern.flp. >> > >> > I'm going to test them later today to see if they're usable- that't the >> > next step. >> >> They won't be. I'm currently working on trying to fix libdisk to >> work again on alpha machines. The only remaining problem seems to be >> that somehow the checksum on the disk is wrong after an install so the >> disks won't boot from SRM. I don't know why yet. > > Sounds like the same problem that I had when trying to boot from UFS2. > No way to get a new disklabel to work from SRM. > It only worked with an old disklabel. > Unfortunately I went out of time to investigate further. > This is the last outstanding problem to boot from UFS2. > If you already try this - can you please verify that an UFS2 enabled > boot1 also works for UFS1 floppies? > We could safely enable it then. It's not the disklabel it doesn't like. The checksum is somehow wrong. SRM just wants the start and offset of the boot code, the flags, and the checksum. The checksum is getting busted somehow hence no booting. I'm doing a test now to see if GEOM is going and scribbling on the disk behind our backs. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 21:34:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBBD37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534AD43E3B; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA85YFZ50745; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021106204331.F17759-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > alpha/include/atomic.h rev 1.17 (try 1.16) > > alpha/alpha/atomic.s rev 1.6 (try 1.5) > > > > John thinks the expensive extra memory barriers in the atomic ops may > > have masked existing pmap problems. I've been running the patch for > > 2 months on a UP config and not seen any problems. I did once see a > > strange Heisenbug when using an SMP kernel on a UP machine, but, > > again, not sure if that's related to the atomic changes. Once I put > > in a ktr to trace the trap, the bug disappeared. > > > > Since you're using the K0SEG, I"m not sure how pmap comes into play. > > > > Drew > > > > > Well, I have actually seen this panic one other time on a SMP system. > Although this was a two way and not four. I have single proc alphas that > get almost as much usage and have never had this panic. Unfortunately, I > too have only seen this once. This was way before the K0SEG changes as > well. I bring up pmap because it was already somewhat suspect and we're > panicing through some vm weirdness. > > There is definitely some bug here that is alpha specific. Hopefully when > I get my 4way system up again I can reproduce it and get some more insight > into the problem. > > Cheers, > Jeff > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 21:45:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AB637B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876A43E6E; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA85goZ50825; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% negative scalability.... All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: nellie.feral.com > ps ax PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 0 ?? DLs 0:02.21 (swapper) 0 ?? ZW 0:00.00 (mv) 0 ?? ZW 0:00.00 (mv) 1 ?? ILs 0:00.23 /sbin/init -- 2 ?? DL 1:14.66 (g_event) 3 ?? DL 1:11.61 (g_up) 4 ?? DL 1:07.28 (g_down) 5 ?? DL 0:03.57 (pagedaemon) 6 ?? DL 0:00.00 (vmdaemon) 7 ?? DL 3:21.13 (pagezero) 8 ?? DL 0:17.96 (bufdaemon) 9 ?? DL 1:58.12 (syncer) 10 ?? DL 0:00.00 (ktrace) 11 ?? RL 1026:49.66 (idle: cpu3) 12 ?? RL 709:55.54 (idle: cpu2) 13 ?? RL 993:50.78 (idle: cpu1) 14 ?? RL 690:13.56 (idle: cpu0) 15 ?? WL 0:11.02 (swi1: net) 16 ?? LL 136:18.55 (swi6: tty:sio clock) 18 ?? DL 1:13.96 (random) 21 ?? WL 0:15.63 (swi3: cambio) 22 ?? WL 0:00.00 (intr: sym0) 23 ?? WL 0:17.56 (intr: de0) 24 ?? WL 0:21.83 (intr: isp0) 25 ?? WL 0:00.00 (intr: isp1) 26 ?? DL 0:00.00 (isp1: fc_thrd) 30 ?? WL 0:00.02 (swi0: tty:sio) 32 ?? DL 0:00.00 (vnlru) 33 ?? IL 0:00.00 (nfsiod 0) 34 ?? IL 0:00.00 (nfsiod 1) 35 ?? IL 0:00.00 (nfsiod 2) 36 ?? IL 0:00.00 (nfsiod 3) 210 ?? Ss 0:05.04 /usr/sbin/syslogd -s 231 ?? Is 0:00.27 /usr/sbin/rpcbind 242 ?? Is 0:10.66 /usr/sbin/ypbind 321 ?? Is 0:00.04 /usr/sbin/mountd -r 324 ?? Is 0:00.41 nfsd: master (nfsd) 325 ?? I 0:00.02 nfsd: server (nfsd) 326 ?? I 0:00.02 nfsd: server (nfsd) 327 ?? I 0:00.02 nfsd: server (nfsd) 328 ?? I 0:00.02 nfsd: server (nfsd) 404 ?? Ls 0:00.73 /usr/sbin/sshd 410 ?? Ss 0:47.20 sendmail: accepting connections (sendmail) 413 ?? Is 0:00.80 sendmail: Queue runner@00:30:00 for /var/spool/clientm 439 ?? Is 0:00.06 /usr/sbin/inetd -wW 450 ?? Ss 0:05.67 /usr/sbin/cron 599 ?? Ss 1:18.94 screen 23734 ?? I 0:00.02 cron: running job (cron) 23736 ?? Is 0:00.14 /bin/sh -c periodic daily 23738 ?? 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L 0:00.01 mv /var/db/entropy/saved-entropy.5 /var/db/entropy/sav 26031 p0 Is 0:01.68 login -p -h beppo -f mjacob 26034 p0 L 0:00.92 - (bash) 26050 p0 Is 0:01.91 login -p -h beppo -f mjacob 26051 p0 L+ 0:00.83 - (bash) 0 p1 ZW+ 0:00.00 (sh) 0 p1 ZW+ 0:00.00 (sh) 600 p1 Is 0:00.22 /usr/local/bin/bash 611 p1 I+ 0:00.11 sh ./DOMAKE -j4 buildworld 612 p1 S+ 10:10.08 make -j4 buildworld 626 p1 I+ 0:00.01 sh -ev 627 p1 S+ 10:11.22 make -m /usr/src/share/mk -f Makefile.inc1 buildworld 16176 p1 I+ 0:00.01 sh -ev 16177 p1 S+ 10:03.55 make -f Makefile.inc1 -DNOHTML -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOFS 16182 p1 I+ 0:00.01 sh -ev 16954 p1 S+ 10:13.78 make -f Makefile.inc1 _prebuild_libs 17319 p1 I+ 0:00.02 sh -ev 19011 p1 L+ 328:43.93 make DIRPRFX=lib/libncurses/ all 19297 p1 I+ 0:00.03 sh -ev 19459 p1 I+ 0:00.03 sh -ev 19460 p1 S+ 10:05.57 make DIRPRFX=secure/lib/libcrypto/ depend 19815 p1 I+ 0:00.07 sh -ev 19822 p1 I+ 0:00.08 (sh) 19827 p1 I+ 0:08.85 (cc) 19930 p1 I+ 0:00.02 sh -ev 20060 p1 L+ 327:08.86 make DIRPRFX=lib/msun/ all 21026 p1 L+ 6:01.60 make DIRPRFX=secure/lib/libssl/ all 22035 p1 I+ 0:00.69 sh -ev 22039 p1 I+ 0:00.14 sh -ev 22045 p1 I+ 0:00.07 cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -DTERMIOS 22050 p1 I+ 0:00.07 sh -ev 22056 p1 L+ 327:18.40 (cc1) 22057 p1 I+ 0:00.71 /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin/as -no-mdebug -o s3_cln 22058 p1 I+ 0:00.04 cc -pg -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -DTERMIOS -DANSI_ 22059 p1 I+ 0:02.21 cc -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -DTERMIOS -DANSI_SOUR 22061 p1 L+ 324:11.63 (cc1) 22063 p1 I+ 0:00.08 /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin/as -no-mdebug -o s3_cln 22065 p1 L+ 327:28.85 (cc1) 22079 p1 I+ 0:00.06 /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin/as -no-mdebug -o s3_enc 22094 p1 I+ 0:00.02 sh -ev 22097 p1 I+ 0:00.02 cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -I. -I/us 22104 p1 L+ 328:51.90 (cc1) 22105 p1 I+ 0:06.91 /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin/as -no-mdebug -o lib_df 22107 p1 I+ 0:15.81 sh -ev 22134 p1 I+ 0:00.05 cc -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -I. -I/usr/src/lib/li 22135 p1 L+ 328:18.34 (cc1) 22136 p1 I+ 0:00.04 /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin/as -no-mdebug -o lib_ec 22194 p1 L+ 327:16.48 (cpp0) 22536 p1 L+ 127:30.95 sh -ev 22673 p1 L+ 321:39.17 sh -ev 22674 p1 L+ 329:01.07 sh -ev 22686 p1 L+ 327:19.43 sh -ev 24875 p1 I+ 0:00.02 sh -ev 24876 p1 L+ 0:00.01 cc -fpic -DPIC -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -DTERMIOS 636 p2 Is 0:00.15 /usr/local/bin/bash 643 p2 S+ 23:51.63 top 458 d0 Is 0:02.45 login -p root 26067 d0 S 0:01.44 - (bash) 26089 d0 R+ 0:00.04 ps ax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 7 22:41: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D438F37B401; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575A443E77; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA86eet49898; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:40:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:40:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021108013942.H76447-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... > > Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this > over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% > negative scalability.... > > All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: > > nellie.feral.com > ps ax Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? Thanks! 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If you no longer wish to receive our messages send a e-mail to: mailto:mxrly@yahoo.com?subject=expunge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 1:47:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F82237B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC0643E3B; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA89lQHX023404; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:47:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA89lQ6U023403; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:47:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:47:25 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" , Matthew Jacob , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 Message-ID: <20021108104725.B23166@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3DCAEAAD.B98C42F6@mindspring.com> <20021107143753.V4414-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20021108000410.B20948@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021108000320.GA20372@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021108000320.GA20372@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:03:20PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:03:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:04:10AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. > > > > Possible, but I have had other reports on AH2940 being bootable by some > > (rare) SRM as well. > > It is not rare. I have personally booted FreeBSD on a disk one an > AHA-2940UW on a pc164sx, a ds10, and a ds20. As jhb to show you his > dmesg if you don't believe me. He, who says I don't believe you? ;-) I failed when I tried DS20 on a 2940UW a year(?) back. But SRM develops (for the newer machines) so that might have changed now. -- | / o / /_ _ |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 5:12: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B14B37B406; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EE943E42; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA8DBrZ53893; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 05:11:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108013942.H76447-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > > > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... > > > > Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this > > over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% > > negative scalability.... > > > > All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: > > > > nellie.feral.com > ps ax > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? > > Thanks! > Jeff > > Oh- gee- I putzed. I had rebooted because I assume people had seen this already. I'll restart and leave it up and check it then. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 6:51:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D3537B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E20543E42; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with ESMTP id gA8EpXBF079262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:51:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA8EpX5U079257; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:51:33 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:51:33 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Matt Jacob Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/alpha dokern.sh drivers.conf Message-ID: <20021108145133.GA72027@sunbay.com> References: <200211081358.gA8DwnMj037508@repoman.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211081358.gA8DwnMj037508@repoman.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 05:58:49AM -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: > mjacob 2002/11/08 05:58:49 PST >=20 > Modified files: > release/alpha dokern.sh drivers.conf=20 > Log: > Make changes such that the kernel will now fit on floppy #1. > =20 > This involves moving all networking drivers to floppy 2, all RAID > nfsclient && cd9660 to floppy 3 (and adding ispfw). > =20 UFS_DIRHASH and MSDOSFS were already deleted; these are now duplicates. > COMPAT_FREEBSD4 had to come back, maxusers is down to 2. > =20 Why COMPAT_FREEBSD4 is being put back? Isn't it COMPAT_43, as documented in kern_sig.c, that is needed for longjmp(3) to work on Alphas? > AHC is out until somebody can make it a module for alpha. > =20 It was so since November 3rd. Are you testing with old sources? > TurboLaser is out because it rarely has a floppy and probably > no longer works *anyway*. > =20 > There's probably some cleanup that can be done because I was told > that things in drivers.conf don't have to be removed via dokern.sh, > but because I formally tested the release build with this version > and don't want to spend another half day on it, it's going in. > =20 Yes, you were told the truth. The entries that are already in drivers.conf are unnecessary here: + -e '/ahc/d' \ + -e '/mpt.*MPT/d' \ + -e '/txp/d' \ + -e '/dc.*21143/d' \ + -e '/de.*Tulip/d' \ + -e '/fxp/d' \ + -e '/rl.*Real/d' \ + -e '/tl.*Texas/d' \ + -e '/vr.*VIA/d' \ + -e '/xl.*Boom/d' \ + -e '/vx.*Vort/d' \ + -e '/miibus/d' \ You also seem to have removed the tun(4) and ch(4) drivers, without mentioning. Was this on purpose, or by accident? (i386 version sucks from removing tun(4) too.) This in essence makes the ppp(8) pretty useless, since tun(4) is not available as the module either. + -e '/tun.*unnel/d' \ + -e '/ch.*media/d' \ > I'm sure we'll have to do some further changes prior to release. > =20 > NB: Not tested end to end yet because I've been told that sysinstall > doesn't yet work. > =20 > Revision Changes Path > 1.59 +22 -4 src/release/alpha/dokern.sh > 1.9 +11 -7 src/release/alpha/drivers.conf More problems. In drivers.conf, miibus and dc are now duplicated. mpt is now removed by dokern.sh and you've removed the corresponding line from drivers.conf -- the net effect is that mpt(4) is no longer available as the module on the 2nd floppy. You also did not mention that isp(4) is now back in the kernel, which is great. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9y891Ukv4P6juNwoRAjC+AJkBwbAixqdqGC9NUMUmzp8FDQBJdQCfcn5x +XPA3qGuqPTqbU0vpn08VMk= =6Ib0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DocE+STaALJfprDB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 7:34:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8332137B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D0F43E6E; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 439B239305; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:34:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE85D581; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:34:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:34:28 +0100 (CET) From: Sten To: David O'Brien Cc: Wilko Bulte , Matthew Jacob , Terry Lambert , Subject: Re: floppies for alpha/DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021108000320.GA20372@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:04:10AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > SRM? I would suspect that this was ARCBIOS. > > > > Possible, but I have had other reports on AH2940 being bootable by some > > (rare) SRM as well. > > It is not rare. I have personally booted FreeBSD on a disk one an > AHA-2940UW on a pc164sx, a ds10, and a ds20. As jhb to show you his > dmesg if you don't believe me. Ack to that, I have verified this with an 164sx as well. No clue as to what the 2940uw revision was. I went to a symbios 895 to get u2w, this card boots as well although afaik more luck is required with 895's :). -- Sten Spans "What does one do with ones money, when there is no more empty rackspace ?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 8: 3: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CE237B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB83B43E4A; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA8G2ps7013361; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:02:51 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gA8G2oXU013360; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:02:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:02:50 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Matt Jacob , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/alpha dokern.sh drivers.conf Message-ID: <20021108080250.A1921@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200211081358.gA8DwnMj037508@repoman.freebsd.org> <20021108145133.GA72027@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20021108145133.GA72027@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:51:33PM +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:51:33PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > You also seem to have removed the tun(4) and ch(4) drivers, without > mentioning. Was this on purpose, or by accident? (i386 version > sucks from removing tun(4) too.) This in essence makes the ppp(8) > pretty useless, since tun(4) is not available as the module either. tun is available as a module and has been for something like 8 years. If it's not making it to the floppy, that's a seperate problem. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9y+AqXY6L6fI4GtQRApkKAJ9SVVCSsRa9Acb9X26IBFwhZdR4fgCguZq/ rPwqm3a3+WbEAd8o0lyx68U= =u24H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 8:24:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6128B37B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2471B43E3B; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (ru@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Sunbay) with ESMTP id gA8GO05V088390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:24:00 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA8GO0Cx088385; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:24:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:24:00 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Brooks Davis Cc: Matt Jacob , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/alpha dokern.sh drivers.conf Message-ID: <20021108162400.GA88220@sunbay.com> References: <200211081358.gA8DwnMj037508@repoman.freebsd.org> <20021108145133.GA72027@sunbay.com> <20021108080250.A1921@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021108080250.A1921@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 08:02:50AM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:51:33PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > You also seem to have removed the tun(4) and ch(4) drivers, without > > mentioning. Was this on purpose, or by accident? (i386 version > > sucks from removing tun(4) too.) This in essence makes the ppp(8) > > pretty useless, since tun(4) is not available as the module either. >=20 > tun is available as a module and has been for something like 8 years. > If it's not making it to the floppy, that's a seperate problem. >=20 I meant "as the module _on the drivers floppy_ either". Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9y+UgUkv4P6juNwoRAnAHAJ9w26Qd9hpRMwsQ5ysNkgIhBD2bPACeLhIJ R0vXQE7vFk5GUL7d9ybwPQ8= =fMu7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 10:29:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AF237B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE34743E6E; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA8ITPZ56120; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Brooks Davis , , , , Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/alpha dokern.sh drivers.conf In-Reply-To: <20021108162400.GA88220@sunbay.com> Message-ID: <20021108102844.P24193-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All very good feedback- I'll incorporate this into the next run at doing this which should now be good because phk just fixed the geom stuff for SRM. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 12: 9:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE1537B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83C43E4A; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA8K9eZ57406; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108013942.H76447-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: <20021108120906.O24193-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > > > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... > > > > Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this > > over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% > > negative scalability.... > > > > All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: > > > > nellie.feral.com > ps ax > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? I tried a buildworld -j4 again- this time it was too far hung to let anyone log in... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 12:26:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4E937B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C94443E4A; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8KQ9t98711; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108120906.O24193-100000@wonky.feral.com> Message-ID: <20021108152506.V98064-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > > > > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... > > > > > > Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this > > > over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% > > > negative scalability.... > > > > > > All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: > > > > > > nellie.feral.com > ps ax > > > > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? > > I tried a buildworld -j4 again- this time it was too far hung to let > anyone log in... > > > Do you have a serial console? If so, you can pop into ddb and do a ps there. That will be somewhat revealing. Did you let the background fsck complete before doing anything btw? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 14:55:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329E137B408 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA72743E6E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 28416 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Nov 2002 22:55:31 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8MtKn5061594; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:55:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200211082233.gA8MXFSc085711@repoman.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files files.i386 files.pc98 Cc: imp@FreeBSD.org, mdodd@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 08-Nov-2002 John Baldwin wrote: > jhb 2002/11/08 14:33:14 PST > > Modified files: > sys/conf files files.i386 files.pc98 > Log: > - Move netsmb entries over to MI files. netsmb appears to be MI code. > - Add 'nowerror' to pci/simos.c to help LINT builds. Ok, I'm fairly close to getting LINT to actually compile on Alpha now. The set of uncommitted patches are at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/alpha_lint.patch. Also, I've had to turn a few things off in LINT: - NETSMBCRYPTO: (this should move to i386 NOTES perhaps as that's the only arch it is supported on) - FB_INSTALL_CDEV: The gfb(4) and tga(4) drivers don't compile with this on and would require a good bit of fixing to get right. - wi(4): The hostap code has warnings in it, but Warner says he is going to import new host AP code from NetBSD that works on more cards so I didn't bother fixing it up. - mcd(4) and scd(4): These drivers use disable/enable_intr() still and probably need to switch to critical_enter/exit() instead at which point they should compile fine on Alpha. - cbb(4), pccard(4), and cardbus(4): There are some problems with the CARD_GET_MEMORY_OFFSET() and CARD_SET_MEMORY_OFFSET() API that Warner is working on a solution for. Once that is done these should be fine I think. - simos(4) and SIMOS: If someone converted the simos(4) driver in pci/simos.c to new-bus then we could actually try and fix this. If no one wants to do that we should probably axe the SIMOS support instead. We most likely should turn it off in Alpha NOTES for now. Even with all this we still have a problem. :) The problem is that the kernel is too big (well, .text is too big) for it to link with our current atomic operation implementation. The problem is that in order to optimize for the common case, our atomic operations branch to a branch in the .text3 section in the failure case. We branch the way we do to take advantage of branch prediction on the alpha. However, the LINT kernel is so big that .text is large enough that the linker cannot handle some of the relocations to places in .text3 resulting in truncating the relocations. Any ideas on fixing this? sh ../../../conf/newvers.sh LINT cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev6 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dev -I../../../contrib/dev/acpica -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -fno-builtin -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding -Werror vers.c linking kernel ip_auth.o: In function `fr_auth_ioctl': ip_auth.o(.text+0x938): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ip_auth.o(.text3+0x0): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text ata-all.o: In function `ata_detach': ata-all.o(.text+0x57c): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ata-all.o: In function `ataioctl': ata-all.o(.text+0x958): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ata-all.o(.text+0xbf8): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ata-all.o: In function `ata_start': ata-all.o(.text+0x1764): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ata-all.o: In function `ata_change_mode': ata-all.o(.text+0x3adc): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text3 ata-all.o(.text3+0x0): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text ata-all.o(.text3+0x4): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text ata-all.o(.text3+0x8): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text ata-all.o(.text3+0xc): relocation truncated to fit: BRADDR .text .... *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/alpha/compile/LINT. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 16: 8:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEAA37B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D772543E4A; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA908PZ59140; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108152506.V98064-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: <20021108160651.A24576-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Jeff Roberson wrote: > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Didn't crash doing a -j4 buildworld. But now it's locked up so I can't > > > > > log in. Oh well. And we were planning on releasing when?.... > > > > > > > > Actually, it's still building -j4 ... very very slowly- I started this > > > > over 24 hours ago. This is probably the first SMP with nearly 100% > > > > negative scalability.... > > > > > > > > All sorts of cron stuff is bunged up... pretty amazing: > > > > > > > > nellie.feral.com > ps ax > > > > > > > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? > > > > I tried a buildworld -j4 again- this time it was too far hung to let > > anyone log in... > > > > > > > Do you have a serial console? If so, you can pop into ddb and do a ps > there. Break didn't work. > That will be somewhat revealing. Did you let the background fsck > complete before doing anything btw? I dunno. I've been away for a couple of hours. We'll see if this does any different. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 16:53:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D2A37B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542D743E77; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA90rWl16103; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:53:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:53:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108160651.A24576-100000@wonky.feral.com> Message-ID: <20021108195257.G98064-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Break didn't work. > > > That will be somewhat revealing. Did you let the background fsck > > complete before doing anything btw? > > I dunno. > > I've been away for a couple of hours. We'll see if this does any > different. > > It sounds like this is esay to repro. I'll get my 4100 up this weekend and look at it. Thanks, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Nov 8 17: 6:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448E637B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C94143EAA; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA9162Z59589; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:06:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108195257.G98064-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Message-ID: <20021108170319.S24576-200000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-254421729-1036803961=:24576" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-254421729-1036803961=:24576 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > It sounds like this is esay to repro. I'll get my 4100 up this weekend > and look at it. It's close to livelocked already. I'd left a window with top running in it, and while I tried to rlogin (and after 30 seconds, I still don't have a shell prompt), I took a paste of top (see attachment). There must be something very broken somewhere here. 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Received: from pootah ([63.60.9.93]) by mta10.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20021109095152.KEUZ23379.mta10.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah>; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:51:52 +1100 Message-ID: <00f201c287d5$9f4b6f20$3164a8c0@pootah> From: "Rob B" To: "Andrew Gallatin" Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107111358.01d798d0@pop.ozemail.com.au><20021106162512.C17080-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net><5.1.0.14.2.20021107121550.01daadd0@pop.ozemail.com.au> <15817.54153.877605.21120@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:37:28 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Gallatin" To: "Rob B" Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests > Rob B writes: > > > > OK ... maybe my terminology was out (a lot). The APECS is in dmesg, the > > IDE interfaces don't show up at all. > > Again, it would help, A LOT, to see dmesg, pciconf -lv, and 'show > conf' output. (the latter being done from the SRM console). >>> sho conf Digital AlphaPC 64 274MHz SRM Console V4.8-1 VMS PALcode V5.56-1, OSF PALcode V1.45-4 DECchip (tm) 21064A-2 DECchip (tm) 21071-DA Pass 1 DECchip (tm) 21071-CA Pass 2 MEMORY 64Meg of system memory PCI Bus Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C875 Scsi Controller pka0.7.0.5.0 Scsi Bus ID 7 dka0.0.0.5.0 COMPAQ BD00421936 Bus 00 Slot 08: Intel 82378IB PCI to ISA Bridge ISA Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ DMA 0 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 2 aylee# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-DP1 #0: Sun Apr 7 07:34:25 GMT 2002 murray@axpbuilder.freebsdmall.com:/usr/src/sys/alpha/compile/GENERIC Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xfffffc0000814000. EB64+ Digital AlphaPC 64 274 MHz, 274MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100040002012d real memory = 65019904 (63496K bytes) avail memory = 55279616 (53984K bytes) apecs0: pci0: on pcib0 sym0: <875> port 0x10000-0x100ff mem 0x8205c000-0x8205cfff,0x8205d000-0x8205d0ff irq 2 at device 5.0 on pci0 sym0: Tekram NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking sym0: interrupting at APECS irq 2 pci0: at device 7.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 8.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 dc0: port 0x10100-0x1017f mem 0x8205d100-0x8205d17f irq 3 at device 9.0 on pci0 dc0: interrupting at APECS irq 3 dc0: Ethernet address: 08:00:2b:c3:dd:56 miibus0: on dc0 dcphy0: on miibus0 dcphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto atkbdc0: at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 fdc0: at port 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode plip0: cannot reserve interrupt, failed. lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Polled port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc0: interrupting at ISA irq 7 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "alpha" frequency 275002485 Hz Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a aylee# pciconf -lv sym0@pci0:5:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x000f1000 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Symbios Logic (NCR) (LSI Logic)' device = '53C875, 53C876 Ultra-Wide SCSI (53C876 is dual-channel)' class = mass storage subclass = SCSI none0@pci0:7:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x0519102b rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Matrox Graphics Inc' device = 'MGA-2064W Millenium GUI Accelerator' class = display subclass = VGA isab0@pci0:8:0: class=0x000000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x04848086 rev=0x84 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82378ZB/IB,82379AB PCI to ISA Bridge, System I/O' class = old subclass = non-VGA display device dc0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x500b1011 chip=0x00191011 rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Digital Equipment Corporation' device = 'DC21142/3 PCI/CardBus 10/100 Mbit Ethernet Ctlr' class = network subclass = ethernet > Also, did this work with previous version of FreeBSD, or is this the > first time this machine was installed with FreeBSD? It's never worked, but I've also not needed it prior to now cheers, rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 6:39:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B6037B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9696843E42 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 06:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 26606 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 14:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Nov 2002 14:39:07 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9Ed4n5065921; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:39:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00f201c287d5$9f4b6f20$3164a8c0@pootah> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:39:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Rob B Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, Andrew Gallatin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Nov-2002 Rob B wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Gallatin" > To: "Rob B" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: 5.0 alpha install tests > > >> Rob B writes: >> > >> > OK ... maybe my terminology was out (a lot). The APECS is in dmesg, > the >> > IDE interfaces don't show up at all. >> >> Again, it would help, A LOT, to see dmesg, pciconf -lv, and 'show >> conf' output. (the latter being done from the SRM console). > >>>> sho conf > Digital AlphaPC 64 274MHz > SRM Console V4.8-1 VMS PALcode V5.56-1, OSF PALcode V1.45-4 > DECchip (tm) 21064A-2 > DECchip (tm) 21071-DA Pass 1 > DECchip (tm) 21071-CA Pass 2 > > MEMORY > 64Meg of system memory > > > PCI Bus > Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C875 Scsi Controller > pka0.7.0.5.0 Scsi Bus ID 7 > dka0.0.0.5.0 COMPAQ > BD00421936 > Bus 00 Slot 08: Intel 82378IB PCI to ISA Bridge > > ISA > Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr > IRQ DMA > 0 > 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 > 12 > 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 > 1 > 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 > 4 > 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 > 3 > 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes > 3bc 7 > 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 > 6 2 > > aylee# dmesg > Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 5.0-DP1 #0: Sun Apr 7 07:34:25 GMT 2002 > murray@axpbuilder.freebsdmall.com:/usr/src/sys/alpha/compile/GENERIC > Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xfffffc0000814000. > EB64+ > Digital AlphaPC 64 274 MHz, 274MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=6 minor=2 > OSF PAL rev: 0x100040002012d > real memory = 65019904 (63496K bytes) > avail memory = 55279616 (53984K bytes) > apecs0: > pci0: on pcib0 > sym0: <875> port 0x10000-0x100ff mem > 0x8205c000-0x8205cfff,0x8205d000-0x8205d0ff irq 2 at device 5.0 on pci0 > sym0: Tekram NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-20, SE, parity checking > sym0: interrupting at APECS irq 2 > pci0: at device 7.0 (no driver attached) > isab0: at device 8.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > dc0: port 0x10100-0x1017f mem > 0x8205d100-0x8205d17f irq 3 at device 9.0 on pci0 > dc0: interrupting at APECS irq 3 > dc0: Ethernet address: 08:00:2b:c3:dd:56 > miibus0: on dc0 > dcphy0: on miibus0 > dcphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > atkbdc0: at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 > fdc0: at port > 0x3f7,0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 > mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 > ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode > plip0: cannot reserve interrupt, failed. > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Polled port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ppc0: interrupting at ISA irq 7 > sc0: on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 > sio1: reserved for low-level i/o > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > Timecounter "alpha" frequency 275002485 Hz > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a > > > aylee# pciconf -lv > sym0@pci0:5:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x000f1000 rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Symbios Logic (NCR) (LSI Logic)' > device = '53C875, 53C876 Ultra-Wide SCSI (53C876 is dual-channel)' > class = mass storage > subclass = SCSI > none0@pci0:7:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x0519102b rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Matrox Graphics Inc' > device = 'MGA-2064W Millenium GUI Accelerator' > class = display > subclass = VGA > isab0@pci0:8:0: class=0x000000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x04848086 rev=0x84 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82378ZB/IB,82379AB PCI to ISA Bridge, System I/O' > class = old > subclass = non-VGA display device > dc0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x500b1011 chip=0x00191011 rev=0x30 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Digital Equipment Corporation' > device = 'DC21142/3 PCI/CardBus 10/100 Mbit Ethernet Ctlr' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > > >> Also, did this work with previous version of FreeBSD, or is this the >> first time this machine was installed with FreeBSD? > > It's never worked, but I've also not needed it prior to now Do you have an ISA ATA controller? If so, try breaking into the loader (hit a key during the 10 second countdown) and type in the following: set hint.ata.0.at="isa" set hint.ata.0.port="0x1f0" set hint.ata.0.irq="14" set hint.ata.1.at="isa" set hint.ata.1.port="0x170" set hint.ata.1.irq="15" boot If it does work, then add the following lines to your /boot/device.hints file: hint.ata.0.at="isa" hint.ata.0.port="0x1F0" hint.ata.0.irq="14" hint.ata.1.at="isa" hint.ata.1.port="0x170" hint.ata.1.irq="15" Also, if that does work, then we should think about adding those lines to GENERIC.hints for Alpha. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 9:33:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3130C37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4889143E77 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9HXEOr051802 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ev4/5/6 issue ? From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:33:14 +0100 Message-ID: <51801.1036863194@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org An alphastation255 has found its way to my lab but I'm having a spot of trouble getting it into workable state. I installed an iso which jhb@ had produced and the system boots. But make(1) coredumps with illegal instruction. I've tried to compile a make(1) on beast (setting CPUTYPE="") but it also core-dumps. I pressume that's because the libs are ev6. Then I ran a cross-buildworld on i386 to alpha but that make(1) _also_ coredumps with illegal instruction. Clues most welcome... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 12: 9:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D070637B401; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.chesapeake.net (chesapeake.net [205.130.220.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019A443E4A; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Received: from localhost (jroberson@localhost) by mail.chesapeake.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA9K9CG02686; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jroberson@chesapeake.net) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Roberson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , , , John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <20021108120906.O24193-100000@wonky.feral.com> Message-ID: <20021109150359.B97372-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? > > I tried a buildworld -j4 again- this time it was too far hung to let > anyone log in... > > I ran into the vm_map_delete() duplicate free again. This has been the same code path too many times for it to be a non logic bug. Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 12:39:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3662137B401; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from parmenion.hosting.swbell.net (parmenion.hosting.swbell.net [216.100.98.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33D743E75; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alc@imimic.com) Received: from imimic.com (adsl-216-63-78-19.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.63.78.19]) by parmenion.hosting.swbell.net id PAA02514; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:38:54 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <3DCD7244.DEEA7387@imimic.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:38:28 -0600 From: "Alan L. Cox" Organization: iMimic Networking, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Roberson Cc: Matthew Jacob , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie References: <20021109150359.B97372-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeff Roberson wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can you 'ps aux -o wchan' ? > > > > I tried a buildworld -j4 again- this time it was too far hung to let > > anyone log in... > > > > > > I ran into the vm_map_delete() duplicate free again. This has been the > same code path too many times for it to be a non logic bug. > > Jeff I'm still wondering if this isn't a false positive: 1. My reading of the UMA debug code is that two or more processors can simultaneously read and modify us_freelist[]. The only lock held during an access is the CPU private lock. 2. Don't we compile by default for the older Alphas that lack byte manipulation instructions? Thus, a byte store is implemented by a read-modify-write sequence of instructions. Thus, two simultaneous uma_dbg_alloc()s on adjacent locations in us_freelist could cause corruption. Regards, Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 13:10:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC54437B401; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from philotas.hosting.swbell.net (philotas.hosting.swbell.net [216.100.99.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EB543E75; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alc@imimic.com) Received: from imimic.com (adsl-216-63-78-19.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.63.78.19]) by philotas.hosting.swbell.net id QAA12192; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:10:05 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <3DCD79AC.AAED8D2A@imimic.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 15:10:04 -0600 From: "Alan L. Cox" Organization: iMimic Networking, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Roberson , Matthew Jacob , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie References: <20021109150359.B97372-100000@mail.chesapeake.net> <3DCD7244.DEEA7387@imimic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Alan L. Cox" wrote: > ... > 2. Don't we compile by default for the older Alphas that lack byte > manipulation instructions? Thus, a byte store is implemented by a > read-modify-write sequence of instructions. Thus, two simultaneous > uma_dbg_alloc()s on adjacent locations in us_freelist could cause > corruption. > Specifically, here's the code sequence for the assignment of 255 to us_freelist[] in uma_dbg_alloc() when compiling for ev5: 47c: 0b 00 43 2c ldq_u t1,11(t2) 480: 2b 00 7b 23 lda t12,43(t12) 484: 42 00 5b 48 mskbl t1,t12,t1 488: ff ff 3f 20 lda t0,-1 48c: 61 01 3b 48 insbl t0,t12,t0 490: 01 04 22 44 or t0,t1,t0 494: 0b 00 23 3c stq_u t0,11(t2) Regards, Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 16:11:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6A937B401; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B5D43E4A; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAA0B9Z52968; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Alan L. Cox" Cc: Jeff Roberson , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, alc@FreeBSD.ORG, John Baldwin Subject: Re: alpha: top of tree kernel blooie In-Reply-To: <3DCD7244.DEEA7387@imimic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 2. Don't we compile by default for the older Alphas that lack byte > manipulation instructions? Thus, a byte store is implemented by a > read-modify-write sequence of instructions. Thus, two simultaneous > uma_dbg_alloc()s on adjacent locations in us_freelist could cause > corruption. The processors on the 4100 are ev56: CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 but I see your point uma_dbg_alloc/uma_dbg_free. The correct code here should be atomic_set_char and atomic_clear_char I would think. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 17:26:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE65E37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E3E43E3B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAA1QEZ53558 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:26:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: stumped by latest build breakage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Attempts to build kernels on one alpha, buildworld updated as of Nov 6, always now fail for me at: cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding "" /usr/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s cc: : No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GPLUS. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Interestingly enough, the cc was done, so that repeated 'makes' advances the compilation by one object. Anyone see something like this or know anything about it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 17:54:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BE237B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F1943E42 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAA1sRZ53846 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stumped by latest build breakage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is actually on more than one alpha. Whassup? On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Attempts to build kernels on one alpha, buildworld updated as of Nov 6, > always now fail for me at: > > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys > -I/usr/src/sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h > -fno-common -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding > "" /usr/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s > cc: : No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GPLUS. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > Interestingly enough, the cc was done, so that repeated 'makes' > advances the compilation by one object. > > Anyone see something like this or know anything about it? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 18: 7: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37D537B404 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E163343E6E for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:07:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA26p0N016820; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAA26pDg043529; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAA26pWW043528; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:06:50 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stumped by latest build breakage Message-ID: <20021110020650.GA43521@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 05:26:14PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys > -I/usr/src/sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h > -fno-common -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding > "" /usr/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s ^^^^ I think the double-quotes are the problem. Do you have a local change where a variable is put inside \" and it evaluates to the empty string? > Anyone see something like this or know anything about it? I don't see it myself. I just rebuilt world and kernel on my alpha. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 9 18:35:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465CF37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52EE43E42 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gAA2ZNZ54086; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: stumped by latest build breakage In-Reply-To: <20021110020650.GA43521@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 05:26:14PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -Wall > > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > > -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys > > -I/usr/src/sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica > > -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h > > -fno-common -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding > > "" /usr/src/sys/alpha/alpha/locore.s > ^^^^ > I think the double-quotes are the problem. Do you have a local change > where a variable is put inside \" and it evaluates to the empty string? Ah. That was it. It was my attempt to reinstall the WERROR stuff that got broken a few weeks ago (so wouldn't have to do it on a command line). Sorry for the noise! My bad - I should have checked GENERIC unmodified first! > > > Anyone see something like this or know anything about it? > > I don't see it myself. I just rebuilt world and kernel on my alpha. > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message