From owner-freebsd-bugbusters Tue Aug 20 3:49:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7353537B400; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bremen.shuttle.de (bremen.shuttle.de [194.95.249.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740B343E4A; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@schweikhardt.net) Received: from bremen.shuttle.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bremen.shuttle.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFED17D70; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:49:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bremen.shuttle.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with UUCP id g7KAnnrv020202; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:49:49 +0200 Received: from hal9000.schweikhardt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hal9000.schweikhardt.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KAJMVY031840; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:19:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from schweikh@hal9000.schweikhardt.net) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by hal9000.schweikhardt.net (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g7KAJLOB031839; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:19:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:19:21 +0200 From: Jens Schweikhardt To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: bugbusters@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Have you closed a PR this week? Message-ID: <20020820121921.B30244@schweikhardt.net> References: <20020812145614.A13004@schweikhardt.net> <20020819214101.GA3837@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020819214101.GA3837@hades.hell.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Giorgos et al, On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:41:01AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: # On 2002-08-12 14:56 +0000, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: # > Ladies (yo!) and Gentlemen, # > # > The current number of open PRs seems to be inversely proportional to the # > Dow Jones, NASDAQ and . See # > http://people.freebsd.org/~bsd/prstats/ for a chart. # # You've done some excellent pieces of work lately. Now I have to work # hard to keep up with this amount of PR closing. It sure sounds like # this is gonna be a niiice Autumn. Thanks, but I think some of this praise belongs to iedowse as I have only closed many he has put to feedback in the past. I tried to make up for that by requesting feedback from a few open ones. Some in my area of expertise I tried to address. Of others I thought "hey I can get this to work" which then turns out to be not that easy. :-) Johan has started to assign PRs to either individuals or mailing lists, which I have done a few times in the past as well. We (=bugbusters, in Cc:) should consider being more aggressive here. Assigning responsibility of PRs to individuals instead of freebsd-bugs might give them some audience at all. This is assuming many developers don't even browse the GNATS db; I have no stats on this, so could be wrong, but this is my working hypothesis right now. If the problem is related to some file or the PR contains a patch, I have found it useful to use the "whodid src/what/ever/file.c" utility on freefall to get an idea who is working on some file or at least who has done the most commits. One question I have is this: Some PRs describe problems that are very hard to fix in the Right Way(TM), and even then will be only a marginal improvement for some corner case or weird hardware. For example some of the sysinstall related PRs are in this category. Beating a Dead Horse, IMHO. Shall we be honest and close with "Yes it's icky, but it won't get fixed." or leave them open and rot in the hope someone from the outside picks it up? Regards, Jens -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.schweikhardt.net/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugbusters" in the body of the message