From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 5:47:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-card5-0-cust12.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.3.216.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0C037B401 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17HOZn-0001qF-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:47:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:47:15 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: SMTP and XREMOTEQUEUE Message-ID: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have googled and grepped for this but I cannot find an answer, and it seems way too off topic for -questions, so maybe someone here won't mind telling me what the SMTP extension XREMOTEQUEUE is for, and where I can read some documentation on it. Cheer, Ceri -- you can't see when light's so strong you can't see when light is gone To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 15:25:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.simrad.no (mail.simrad.no [193.69.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6691737B407 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:26:28 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on S_INET01/S_EXT(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 11.06.2002 00:26:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have spent a large part of my day trying various gui editors, trying to find one that will actually work the way it should. I have been using gnotepad+, but it crashes too much, so I changed to bluefish, but it also is quite unstable. Today I installed glimmer, cooledit, peacock and screem. All from the ports. All I really want is an editor that will copy/paste/undo/redo, search/replace, syntax highlight for html/php, keep the prefences from one session to the next, I don't need wizards and icons and other wizbang things, just a stable app that I can leave running all day if necessary, come back to it and it will still be running waiting patiently for me to do some more editing. If I remember correctly, kwrite, or kadvanced editor, was pretty good, but since it can only be installed as part of kde, not seperately at all, I don't have it. (I tried to install KDE 2 and KDE3 both from the ports but they both failed, oh well, I don't care for it anyway). Glimmer - I adjust the preferences to my liking, but the program will not save them from one session to the next, whether I start it as user or root, doesn't matter. Cooledit - I highlight a section of text and press the delete key and only one letter gets deleted, not the whole section that is highlighted. Screem - the image wizard doesn't work, the link wizard doesn't work, the color wizard doesn't work, the mail wizard doesn't work. The open file icon doesn't work. When the file is opened from menu file/open the text is all blue and black, no syntax highlighting, even though it is configured to do syntax highlighting. Peacock - no syntax highlighting (may not be implemented, but I don't know because the preferences also is not implemented). Also no undo function, this alone makes it unusable. Bluefish I like, but as mentioned above, it is just too unstable. I can put up with it by saving my work every minute or two, just in case. It does have a lot of features, icons, that I never use, but that's no big deal. There's a windoze app called HTML-Edit by Chami, if that was available on BSD I'd be in heaven. :-) Supposedly it works via wine, but not very stable, and quite slow, I've tried it. Anyway, I just had to get this off my mind, vent a little, if you read this far, thanks for listening. I don't expect any responses or help or anything, I just gotta let loose, I'm alone here in a NT environment trying to get as much use as I can from my FreeBSD box, or I may loose it. That'd be a drag. Regards, -- Chip Wiegand Computer Services Simrad, Inc www.simradusa.com chip.wiegand@simrad.com "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977 (They why do I have 9? Somebody help me!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 16:23:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jochem.dyndns.org (cc40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [217.121.240.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4271437B408 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lola.jochem.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jochem.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5ANNbwU001253; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lola.jochem.dyndns.org) Received: (from jochem@localhost) by lola.jochem.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5ANNbte001252; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:23:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:23:37 +0200 From: Jochem Kossen To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. Message-ID: <20020610232337.GA1246@jochem.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:26:28PM -0700, chip.wiegand@simrad.com wrote: [... big editor rant ;) ...] Try Nedit, http://www.nedit.org I think it has what you want...It's in ports too of course. Good luck, Jochem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 16:29:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from histidine.utmb.edu (histidine.utmb.edu [129.109.59.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F82937B40F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scms.utmb.edu (histidine.utmb.edu [129.109.59.80]) by histidine.utmb.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5ANTYI4012330; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:29:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bdodson@scms.utmb.edu) Received: from scms.utmb.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scms.utmb.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5ANTW2E008573; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:29:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bdodson@scms.utmb.edu) Message-Id: <200206102329.g5ANTW2E008573@scms.utmb.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:29:32 -0500 (CDT) From: bdodson@scms.utmb.edu Reply-To: bdodson@scms.utmb.edu Subject: RE: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nedit (in the ports). Only requires motif or lesstif. Solid as a rock with all the features you describe. -- M. L. Dodson bdodson@scms.utmb.edu 409-772-2178 FAX: 409-772-1790 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 16:36:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD0F37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (eischen@localhost) by mail.pcnet.com (8.12.3/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5ANaP1j009727; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try Nedit from the ports collection. It's the best GUI editor I've ever used, for programming anyways. It's not a WYSIWIG HTML editor/word processor, nor is it an IDE, but it is a really good programmer's editor. Fast and lots of features. It has syntax highlighting also, and there are some other contributed syntax highlighting patterns at www.nedit.org (it comes with a bunch by default, including SGM HTML). I've converted everybody at work to using Nedit. Nedit version 5.3 was just released, but I haven't updated the port yet. There's not much functional difference between 5.2.1 and 5.3 anyways, though. -- Dan Eischen On Mon, 10 2002 chip.wiegand@simrad.com wrote: > I have spent a large part of my day trying various gui editors, trying to > find one that will actually work the way > it should. I have been using gnotepad+, but it crashes too much, so I > changed to bluefish, but it also is quite > unstable. Today I installed glimmer, cooledit, peacock and screem. All from > the ports. All I really want is an > editor that will copy/paste/undo/redo, search/replace, syntax highlight for > html/php, keep the prefences from > one session to the next, I don't need wizards and icons and other wizbang > things, just a stable app that I can > leave running all day if necessary, come back to it and it will still be > running waiting patiently for me to do > some more editing. If I remember correctly, kwrite, or kadvanced editor, > was pretty good, but since it can only > be installed as part of kde, not seperately at all, I don't have it. (I > tried to install KDE 2 and KDE3 both from the > ports but they both failed, oh well, I don't care for it anyway). [ Snip ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 17: 6:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1596437B404 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a109.otenet.gr [212.205.215.109]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5B06CZN014100; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:06:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5B069eP026553; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:06:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5B066wf026550; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:06:06 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:06:05 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP and XREMOTEQUEUE Message-ID: <20020611000603.GA25157@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-10 13:47 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > I have googled and grepped for this but I cannot find an answer, and > it seems way too off topic for -questions, so maybe someone here > won't mind telling me what the SMTP extension XREMOTEQUEUE is for, > and where I can read some documentation on it. I think that commands starting with 'X' are not part of the ESMTP standard. Looking through the RFCs, since I remembered that this is the case from an earlier time that I had seen it I quote RFC 1869: ## RFC 1869 - SMTP Service Extensions. ## J. Klensin, N. Freed, M. Rose, E. Stefferud, D. Crocker. In addition, any EHLO keyword value that starts with an upper or lower case "X" refers to a local SMTP service extension, which is used through bilateral, rather than standardized, agreement. Keywords beginning with "X" may not be used in a registered service extension. Therefore, the answer to your question depends on what the server that sends an XREMOTEQUEUE response has implemented it to mean. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 17:34:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA02637B401 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0444.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.189] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17HZcX-0006Tc-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3D054580.7B5C1774@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:34:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta ventsomewhere. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chip.wiegand@simrad.com wrote: [ ... ] > Glimmer - I adjust the preferences to my liking, but the program will not > save them from one session to the > next, whether I start it as user or root, doesn't matter. [ ... Bluefish instability that can only be fixed by a rewrite ... ] > Anyway, I just had to get this off my mind, vent a little, if you read this > far, thanks for listening. I don't expect any > responses or help or anything, I just gotta let loose, I'm alone here in a > NT environment trying to get as much > use as I can from my FreeBSD box, or I may loose it. That'd be a drag. Have you tries asking the Glimmer authors how to do this? It may already be there. If not, I suggest making a patch for Glimmer; it may already support a ".glimmerrc" or something like that. If the user preferences need to be per-document (which I doubt), then you will have to store them inside comments in the code, with a way to set the "magic" sequence at the start of the comment that lets Glimmer recognize them. It's a pretty trivial hack, worst case, I think. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 18: 2: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B46C37B40C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0444.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.189] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Ha2G-0001do-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:01:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3D054BC1.974263A3@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:00:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Ceri Davies , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP and XREMOTEQUEUE References: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> <20020611000603.GA25157@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-06-10 13:47 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > I have googled and grepped for this but I cannot find an answer, and > > it seems way too off topic for -questions, so maybe someone here > > won't mind telling me what the SMTP extension XREMOTEQUEUE is for, > > and where I can read some documentation on it. > > I think that commands starting with 'X' are not part of the ESMTP > standard. Looking through the RFCs, since I remembered that this is > the case from an earlier time that I had seen it I quote RFC 1869: This is correct. > Therefore, the answer to your question depends on what the server that > sends an XREMOTEQUEUE response has implemented it to mean. This is a proprietary mechanism of triggering an ETRN, so that the ETRN itself can not be used as a means of a denial of service attack. Apparently, you are talking to a Post.Office server (from Software.COM, or the company which purchased them, OneBox). The correct standards compliant mechanism is "ATRN", which requires the "AUTH" extension be used to authenticate. In fact, "ATRN" was pushed on us by Qualcomm, though no one other than the Whistle InterJet and the IBM Web Connections NOC has, to my knowledge implemented it (that'd be Jennifer Meyer's code for that, and my code for certain additional monitoring extensions, and my design and David Wolfskill's code for the per domain mail queues. I was the architect for the IBM Web Connections email services). It would have beem just as easy to implement differing semantics for ETRN in the presence of AUTH, but the ATRN folks wanted to be able to do some things which are never very useful in practice. In any case, XREMOTEQUEUE is not documented, and is a proprietary extension for the Post.Office folks. You can reverse engineer it fairly easily by setting up two Post.Office machines to use it, and then monitoring the conversation between them. But I really do not recommend it, given it's non-standard nature. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 20:11:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818E737B412 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Hc3p-0000LF-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:11:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: AvantGo user-agent Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've read some about AvantGo, but I have never used it (and I don't use any handheld computer). I've been seeing a lot of AvantGo references in my Apache logs, like user-agent: "Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; AvantGo 3.2)" Usually they are from the same (or close) IPs. (And recently, generally they are requesting the same webpages and linking from Google's new glossary search.) Does anyone here use AvantGo? Or does anyone notice a lot of AvantGo in their web server access logs? What exactly is this? Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 21:17:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thuvia.demon.co.uk (thuvia.demon.co.uk [193.237.34.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE5D37B408 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dotar.thuvia.org (dotar.thuvia.org [10.0.0.4]) by phaidor.thuvia.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5B4HGN24611; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:17:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@thuvia.demon.co.uk) Received: (from mark@localhost) by dotar.thuvia.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5B4HFx08520; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:17:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:17:15 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Valentine Message-Id: <200206110417.g5B4HFx08520@dotar.thuvia.org> In-Reply-To: "Jeremy C. Reed"'s message of Jun 11, 3:20am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: reed@reedmedia.net ("Jeremy C. Reed"), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: reed@reedmedia.net ("Jeremy C. Reed") > Date: Tue 11 Jun, 2002 > Subject: AvantGo user-agent > What exactly is this? Haven't used it for a couple of years, but when a handheld device requests a web page using the AvantGo client running on the handheld, the request is filtered by the AvantGo proxy (it may resize/reformat images to be useful on the handheld and save bandwidth on the ISP -> handheld link, which is often via a 9600 baud GSM connection, for example). So, all requests from a handlheld AvantGo client will appear to the web server to originate from AvantGo's proxies. There are other similar services for the various handheld browsers (I currently use Handspring's Blazer). Cheers, Mark. -- Mark Valentine, Thuvia Labs "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." Mark Valentine uses "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* and endorses FreeBSD -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 10 21:51:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD1937B409 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0454.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.199] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Hdc4-0003cy-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:48:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > I've read some about AvantGo, but I have never used it (and I don't use > any handheld computer). > > I've been seeing a lot of AvantGo references in my Apache logs, like > user-agent: > > "Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; AvantGo 3.2)" > > Usually they are from the same (or close) IPs. (And recently, generally > they are requesting the same webpages and linking from Google's new > glossary search.) > > Does anyone here use AvantGo? > > Or does anyone notice a lot of AvantGo in their web server access logs? > > What exactly is this? I don't use it... I don't use wireless PDA's (or PDA's, for that matter). But what you are actually seeing with your clustered IP addresses are the IP addresses of the transcoding proxies that attempt to intelligently reformat the data to take into account the insufficient and miniscule screens of PDA's. You'll see repeat accesses from the same IP addresses for any active content, even if the content is supposedly cacheable, because different clients will end up requesting the same data, so it will appear to come from the same client, which is actually the proxy. If this is an issue for you, then make your content cacheable, and it will greatly cut down on your traffic, as AvantGo serves it to the clients out of cache. IMO, PDA-based web browsing isn't very useful. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 0:53:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-card5-0-cust12.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.3.216.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EC637B405 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17HgSs-0001Q6-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:53:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:53:18 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Terry Lambert Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP and XREMOTEQUEUE Message-ID: <20020611075318.GB4969@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Terry Lambert , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> <20020611000603.GA25157@hades.hell.gr> <3D054BC1.974263A3@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D054BC1.974263A3@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:00:49PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2002-06-10 13:47 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > I have googled and grepped for this but I cannot find an answer, and > > > it seems way too off topic for -questions, so maybe someone here > > > won't mind telling me what the SMTP extension XREMOTEQUEUE is for, > > > and where I can read some documentation on it. > > > > I think that commands starting with 'X' are not part of the ESMTP > > standard. Looking through the RFCs, since I remembered that this is > > the case from an earlier time that I had seen it I quote RFC 1869: > > This is correct. For sure. > > Therefore, the answer to your question depends on what the server that > > sends an XREMOTEQUEUE response has implemented it to mean. > > This is a proprietary mechanism of triggering an ETRN, so that > the ETRN itself can not be used as a means of a denial of > service attack. Apparently, you are talking to a Post.Office > server (from Software.COM, or the company which purchased them, > OneBox). That's right - it's one of mine; as I flushed the queue on one of our exim mailhubs yesterday I decided to watch it go, and noticed the above extension in the dialogue for the first time in approx. 40 months! I thought it was Openwave that had bought Software.COM, though ? > In any case, XREMOTEQUEUE is not documented, and is a proprietary > extension for the Post.Office folks. You can reverse engineer it > fairly easily by setting up two Post.Office machines to use it, > and then monitoring the conversation between them. But I really > do not recommend it, given it's non-standard nature. If it's Post.Office only then I'm not really bothered, as I'm leaving this job at the end of next week and my new employers don't use it - it was just one of those annoying "What they hey *is* that?" questions that get me all worked up. Thanks for the explanation (interesting thing is that I've just checked the Post.Office docs and there's nothing in there about it either - ah well). Ceri -- you can't see when light's so strong you can't see when light is gone To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 0:57:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FD737B400 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5B7vap83879 ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:57:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id JAA16885 ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:57:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:57:36 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. Message-ID: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chip.wiegand@simrad.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chip.wiegand@simrad.com on Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 03:26:28PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chip.wiegand@simrad.com said on Jun 10, 2002 at 15:26:28: > I have spent a large part of my day trying various gui editors, Are you looking specifically for a HTML editor? Bluefish is a HTML editor, not a general purpose editor. It didn't crash when I used it last, but that was ages ago, version 0.3 or something. I haven't heard of the other editors you mention. > the ports. All I really want is an editor that will > copy/paste/undo/redo, search/replace, syntax highlight for html/php, > keep the prefences from one session to the next, Looks like you don't really want a html editor, only syntax highlighting. People have suggested nedit. There's also gvim and (x)emacs, since you specify GUI editors. I use gvim (or vim in an xterm, but gvim also has a scrollbar, menus, better mouse support etc): it supports syntax highlighting for just about any language you can think of and I think if you're comfortable with vi keystrokes it's really the best choice. I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 1: 3:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B6E37B403 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0011.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.11] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Hgc8-00008K-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:02:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3D05AE12.34C43A50@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:00:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP and XREMOTEQUEUE References: <20020610124715.GA6885@submonkey.net> <20020611000603.GA25157@hades.hell.gr> <3D054BC1.974263A3@mindspring.com> <20020611075318.GB4969@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies wrote: > > In any case, XREMOTEQUEUE is not documented, and is a proprietary > > extension for the Post.Office folks. You can reverse engineer it > > fairly easily by setting up two Post.Office machines to use it, > > and then monitoring the conversation between them. But I really > > do not recommend it, given it's non-standard nature. > > If it's Post.Office only then I'm not really bothered, as I'm leaving this > job at the end of next week and my new employers don't use it - it was just > one of those annoying "What they hey *is* that?" questions that get me all > worked up. > > Thanks for the explanation (interesting thing is that I've just checked the > Post.Office docs and there's nothing in there about it either - ah well). That's what "not documented" means. ;^). If you look at their marketing literature, you will be able to infer it (now that you know what it's for) by looking at the second "dial on demand", transiently connected customer network configuration model. Specifically, it's implied by one of the checkboxes and the ability to schedule periodic polling of the remote MX's for new email, for a mai server on the other end of a dial-on-demand link (e.g. ISDN, in their example). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 5:40:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5409D37B408 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5BCeW120464; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:40:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5BCeWP21545; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:40:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5BCeS621538; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D05EFBC.6CF6CB0B@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:40:28 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent References: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > IMO, PDA-based web browsing isn't very useful. > Live web browsing isn't, but storing a glob of info into your PDA is very useful (for some people). I suck in many megabytes of helpful data, some I've written, and some others have written, into my Clie for on-the-go reference. I'm not big into getting my own up to date copy of Slashdot or anything, but I definitely like the use of it for some pages that have useful data. However, iSilo is winning the battle against Avantgo for me. 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Message-ID: <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-11 09:57 +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... These are lies of the Emacs and vi folk. The only *real* editor of UNIX is ed(1). Here's the proof: $ head -56 /usr/local/share/emacs/20.7/etc/JOKES | tail -6 When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. Ed, man! !man ed /me ducks and runs - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 17:43:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A74137B405 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 048347147 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:41:12 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2002-06-11 09:57 +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... > > These are lies of the Emacs and vi folk. > The only *real* editor of UNIX is ed(1). > Here's the proof: > > $ head -56 /usr/local/share/emacs/20.7/etc/JOKES | tail -6 > When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi > *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, > 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor > that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. > > Ed, man! !man ed > > /me ducks and runs > > - Giorgos > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message Will it syntax highlight FORTRAN? Thats what led me to nedit originally. Now I prefer it for everything. Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 18:56:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6729D37B40F for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA5A57E00046; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:56:42 -0700 Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. From: Chip Wiegand To: Chat FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 11 Jun 2002 17:57:28 -0700 Message-Id: <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, I installed nedit and I do like what I see. I'll be using it and one other new one I found - on the zend.org site, for web page development. That one is big and has a ton of stuff I don't need but so far it is working well for everything I need for php/html stuff. I'll have both on my system now, and remove the others. I certainly didn't intend for this to end up in a 'this is the best editor' war. Thanks for the suggestions, Chip Wiegand www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 17:41, rob wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > On 2002-06-11 09:57 +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... > > > > These are lies of the Emacs and vi folk. > > The only *real* editor of UNIX is ed(1). > > Here's the proof: > > > > $ head -56 /usr/local/share/emacs/20.7/etc/JOKES | tail -6 > > When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi > > *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, > > 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor > > that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. > > > > Ed, man! !man ed > > > > /me ducks and runs > > > > - Giorgos > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > Will it syntax highlight FORTRAN? Thats what led me to nedit > originally. Now I prefer it for everything. Rob. > > -- > ----------------------------- > The Numeric Python EM Project > > www.pythonemproject.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 11 23:45:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-233-157-30.client.attbi.com [12.233.157.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA81937B40F for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g5C6jg803440; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:45:40 -0700 From: David Schultz To: rob Cc: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. Message-ID: <20020611234540.A3373@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: rob , "chat@freebsd.org" References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com>; from rob@pythonemproject.com on Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 05:41:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake rob : > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > On 2002-06-11 09:57 +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... > > > > These are lies of the Emacs and vi folk. > > The only *real* editor of UNIX is ed(1). [snip] > Will it syntax highlight FORTRAN? Thats what led me to nedit > originally. Now I prefer it for everything. Rob. ed does not do syntax highlighting; however, this is planned for the next major release, along with a spell checker and a GUI. Emacs does anything you want[1], provided you have enough gigs of RAM and you know the appropriate incantations. (And yes, it does have a FORTRAN mode, so there's no need to write one.) I've used Emacs for two years and I still don't understand it, but I tweaked it enough that it approximates what I want better than any other editor I have tried. [1] Okay, so you can't presently write an elisp program to solve the halting problem. This is because there is no need; Eliza (M-x doctor) can solve it for you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 6:33:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB37A37B40C for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a170.otenet.gr [212.205.215.170]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5CDX4gx026798; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5CDX2eP055389; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5CDX0a8055372; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:32:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Chip Wiegand Cc: Chat FreeBSD Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. Message-ID: <20020612133258.GA54394@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-06-11 17:57 -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > Okay, I installed nedit and I do like what I see. I'll be using it > and one other new one I found - on the zend.org site, for web page > development. That one is big and has a ton of stuff I don't need but > so far it is working well for everything I need for php/html stuff. NEdit is cool. There are few rough edges, like the choise of Motif for widgets, which is (to put it mildly) "ugly" compared to other widget sets. But the programmers of NEdit have done a great job. BTW, NEdit can do cool stuff with HTML too. No need to use an other editor. It can work fine with C, C++, Perl, Java, HTML, SGML and a few others... > I'll have both on my system now, and remove the others. I certainly > didn't intend for this to end up in a 'this is the best editor' war. These things always do. Even as a joke, which was what I did try to make in my previous post :) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 7:19:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FAE637B408 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 0121420271 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D075800.A91B7827@pythonemproject.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:17:36 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> <20020611234540.A3373@HAL9000.wox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schultz wrote: > > Thus spake rob : > > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > > > On 2002-06-11 09:57 +0200, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > I thought vi and emacs were the only Unix editors anyway... > > > > > > These are lies of the Emacs and vi folk. > > > The only *real* editor of UNIX is ed(1). > [snip] > > Will it syntax highlight FORTRAN? Thats what led me to nedit > > originally. Now I prefer it for everything. Rob. > > ed does not do syntax highlighting; however, this is planned for the > next major release, along with a spell checker and a GUI. > > Emacs does anything you want[1], provided you have enough gigs of RAM > and you know the appropriate incantations. (And yes, it does have a > FORTRAN mode, so there's no need to write one.) I've used Emacs for > two years and I still don't understand it, but I tweaked it enough > that it approximates what I want better than any other editor I have > tried. > > [1] Okay, so you can't presently write an elisp program to solve the > halting problem. This is because there is no need; Eliza (M-x doctor) > can solve it for you. I used Emacs for a while for the mailcrypt program. It was fun sending mail thru anonymous remailers and stuff. I suppose they're all run by intelligence agencies by now :) Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 11: 8:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB2737B406 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:08:08 -0600 Message-ID: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "FreeBSD-Chat" Subject: looking for computer exp. Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:08:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right now (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working with computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay with networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something else computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any ideas? It does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few hours a week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a good job but it can't hurt to ask..... TJ, Raleigh, NC, USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 14:16: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27F137B407 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24393; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:15:32 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook may make your system susceptible to Internet worms. If you value your time, privacy, or data, do not use Microsoft e-mail clients or browsers. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612151240.00e65ed0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:15:25 -0600 To: Hiroo Ono , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? In-Reply-To: <86vg8uvmv2.wl@barleycoren.oikumene.gcd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:45 PM 6/7/2002, Hiroo Ono wrote: >Hello. > >Let me ask a question. >It is very trivial but I have been wondering for a long time. > >Mr. Charlie Root seems to have root account on so many FreeBSD >systems. :) Uh-oh! You've been hacked! That's the "Charlie the Tuna" virus. It inserts itself into the OS source code and can even survive a clean reinstall of the OS. April fool. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 15:58:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD7037B407 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D6081461; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:28:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:28:33 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mark Murray Cc: Josef Karthauser , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) Message-ID: <20020612225833.GE44106@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020610195712.GB81303@genius.tao.org.uk> <200206121015.g5CAFWld010106@grimreaper.grondar.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200206121015.g5CAFWld010106@grimreaper.grondar.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 12 June 2002 at 11:15:32 +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > > [ cc: list attacked with a machete ] [cc: list attacked with an Emacs] >>> That sounds like enough people for a Cambridge meet -- perhaps some >>> punting? >> >> It almost sound like it's worth _moving_ to Cambridge :). What are the >> house prices like there? > > Not bad, compared with Bucks and London. > > I'm hoping for a 3-bed bungalow in a just-out-of-town location for > about UKP800 PCM. That should be doable. My father lives in Meldreth, about 15 miles SW of Cambridge IIRC, and before he bought his house, it was getting £550 per month rent. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 16: 8:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FE837B400 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A43A386D00D4; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:07:38 -0700 Subject: Re: gui editors - mostly just griping (you've been warned) I gotta vent somewhere. From: Chip Wiegand To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Chat FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20020612133258.GA54394@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020611095736.A16127@lpt.ens.fr> <20020611230746.GH45825@hades.hell.gr> <3D0698A8.9C047411@pythonemproject.com> <1023843454.47009.21.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <20020612133258.GA54394@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 12 Jun 2002 15:08:34 -0700 Message-Id: <1023919714.47009.28.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 06:32, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-06-11 17:57 -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > Okay, I installed nedit and I do like what I see. I'll be using it > > and one other new one I found - on the zend.org site, for web page > > development. That one is big and has a ton of stuff I don't need but > > so far it is working well for everything I need for php/html stuff. > > NEdit is cool. There are few rough edges, like the choise of Motif > for widgets, which is (to put it mildly) "ugly" compared to other > widget sets. But the programmers of NEdit have done a great job. I agree, and I was wondering what it was that was so ugly, now I know - motif. Oh, well. > BTW, NEdit can do cool stuff with HTML too. No need to use an other > editor. It can work fine with C, C++, Perl, Java, HTML, SGML and a > few others... I stopped using the Zend program, it was just too much of a memory hog, like kde and gnome, even on my amd 1ghz/384megs ram box at work. I used Nedit for about a half-dozen web pages today, it went well, I like it. The only thing I would add, if I could, would be the ability to open multiple files in one window, with tabs to bring each on up to the top. Regards, Chip W www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org > > I'll have both on my system now, and remove the others. I certainly > > didn't intend for this to end up in a 'this is the best editor' war. > > These things always do. Even as a joke, which was what I did try to > make in my previous post :) > > - Giorgos > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 16:10:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1B037B403 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4F859F800CA; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:10:48 -0700 Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. From: Chip Wiegand To: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, " "Jr." Cc: FreeBSD-Chat In-Reply-To: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 12 Jun 2002 15:11:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 11:08, Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right now > (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working with > computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, > hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay with > networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something else > computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any ideas? It > does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few hours a > week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a good job > but it can't hurt to ask..... > > TJ, > Raleigh, NC, USA Put together a home network, maybe even mix a few differant OS's to learn how the communicate with each other, that's how I started (my home network is 9 pc's). -- Chip W www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 18:57:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655F737B412 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5D1vBH03700; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:57:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:57:11 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Brett Glass Cc: Hiroo Ono , Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612151240.00e65ed0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020612193935.H2524-100000@ren.sasknow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote to Hiroo Ono and freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG: > At 02:45 PM 6/7/2002, Hiroo Ono wrote: > > >Hello. > > > >Let me ask a question. > >It is very trivial but I have been wondering for a long time. > > > >Mr. Charlie Root seems to have root account on so many FreeBSD > >systems. :) > > Uh-oh! You've been hacked! That's the "Charlie the Tuna" virus. It > inserts itself into the OS source code and can even survive a clean > reinstall of the OS. > > April fool. RIIIIIGHT, Brett. Try a Google search next time. Or at least flip a couple pages on your calendar. :-) My favorite discussion of this was on -questions last year. http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/151/2001/7/1650/6224687/ - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901 1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-3630 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 19:32:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5D337B40C for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EB3471DA; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE183FEBE; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D080425.6981955F@pantherdragon.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:05 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Thompson Cc: Brett Glass , Hiroo Ono , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? References: <20020612193935.H2524-100000@ren.sasknow.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ryan Thompson wrote: > RIIIIIGHT, Brett. Try a Google search next time. Or at least flip a > couple pages on your calendar. :-) > > My favorite discussion of this was on -questions last year. > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/151/2001/7/1650/6224687/ That's nice and all, but what I really want to know is who this Toor person is, why he gets root priveledges on my machines, and why he's spreading his new-age Christian faith all over my password file? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 19:46:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACB637B407 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5D2kbjl039403 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:46:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site Message-ID: <20020612194338.W39397-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know how I can capture an audio stream to a file? Also, how can one "Save Link As" from a Flash page? I have been viewing heavy.com which has some pretty cool music on it. I would really like to grab mp3s from it, but Flash is thwarting me. Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 20:44: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7075337B412 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29516; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:43:30 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook may make your system susceptible to Internet worms. If you value your time, privacy, or data, do not use Microsoft e-mail clients or browsers. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:43:17 -0600 To: Ryan Thompson From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Cc: Hiroo Ono , In-Reply-To: <20020612193935.H2524-100000@ren.sasknow.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612151240.00e65ed0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:57 PM 6/12/2002, Ryan Thompson wrote: >RIIIIIGHT, Brett. Try a Google search next time. Or at least flip a >couple pages on your calendar. :-) > >My favorite discussion of this was on -questions last year. > >http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/151/2001/7/1650/6224687/ > >- Ryan Methinks you need to turn up the sensitivity on your humor detector. Yes, I know about the ballplayer. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 12 22:35:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C1E37B40F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B5E471DA; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC51FEBE; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D082F1E.A335D67B@pantherdragon.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:35:26 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site References: <20020612194338.W39397-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can capture an audio stream to a file? Also, how > can one "Save Link As" from a Flash page? > > I have been viewing heavy.com which has some pretty cool music on it. I > would really like to grab mp3s from it, but Flash is thwarting me. heavy.com seems to be using Shockwave audio, not MP3 for their songs? The HTTP request sent by my workstation to the webserver when I click to play "So, The Circus Is Back In Town" by Cato Salsa Experience shows a request for a .swf file, and a sending of a matching MIME type. This a tcpdump processed with tcpshow of the HTTP request and reply for the song file itself: Client request: TIME: 22:25:33.493172 (0.175149) LINK: 00:50:04:14:9A:5C -> 00:A0:C9:1F:3B:50 type=IP IP: speck -> 63.236.72.22 hlen=20 TOS=00 dgramlen=264 id=D2A6 MF/DF=0/1 frag=0 TTL=128 proto=TCP cksum=C92F TCP: port 1843 -> http seq=0011268461 ack=2648377315 hlen=20 (data=224) UAPRSF=011000 wnd=8264 cksum=D2F6 urg=0 DATA: GET /current/radio/tracks/hvysumosonic_3/catosalsa_circus.sw f HTTP/1.1. Accept: */*. Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate. User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98). Host: www.heavy.com. Connection: Keep-Alive. . Server reply: TIME: 22:25:33.651740 (0.185284) LINK: 00:A0:C9:1F:3B:50 -> 00:50:04:14:9A:5C type=IP IP: 63.236.72.22 -> speck hlen=20 TOS=00 dgramlen=1500 id=48CF MF/DF=0/1 frag=0 TTL=41 proto=TCP cksum=A533 TCP: port http -> 1843 seq=2648377315 ack=0011268685 hlen=20 (data=1460) UAPRSF=010000 wnd=7504 cksum=9B6E urg=0 DATA: HTTP/1.1 200 OK. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:25:29 GMT. Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6. Last-Modified: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:22:27 GMT. ETag: "55408d-1ad583-3cfce943". Accept-Ranges: bytes. Content-Length: 1758595. Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=99. Connection: Keep-Alive. Content-Type: application/x-shockwave-flash. . <.swf file data snipped> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 0:45:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dmlb.org (pc1-camc6-0-cust106.cam.cable.ntl.com [80.4.4.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5689A37B400; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slave.my.domain ([192.168.200.39]) by dmlb.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17IPIW-000LY0-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:45:36 +0100 Received: from dmlb by slave.my.domain with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17IPIV-000Lva-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:45:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020612225833.GE44106@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:45:35 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Mark Murray Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, Josef Karthauser Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Jun-2002 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 12 June 2002 at 11:15:32 +0100, Mark Murray wrote: >> >> [ cc: list attacked with a machete ] > > [cc: list attacked with an Emacs] > >>>> That sounds like enough people for a Cambridge meet -- perhaps some >>>> punting? >>> >>> It almost sound like it's worth _moving_ to Cambridge :). What are the >>> house prices like there? >> >> Not bad, compared with Bucks and London. >> >> I'm hoping for a 3-bed bungalow in a just-out-of-town location for >> about UKP800 PCM. That should be okay out of town. In town you'll get something but maybe in a "bad" location (bad for Cambridge is not really bad at all). This is a good accomidation board http://www.brettward.co.uk/canb/ There is another that contains all the commercial people, but I don't have the URL - try http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/cambridgeuk/ and the essential http://www.bluesplodge.co.uk/cambridge/pubs/ The choice of location is probably going to be influenced by where you are working and the time you start work - traffic getting into Cambridge in the morning is horrible. > That should be doable. My father lives in Meldreth, about 15 miles SW > of Cambridge IIRC, and before he bought his house, it was getting £550 > per month rent. Small world - I live about two villages closer to Cambridge than Meldreth. > Greg Duncan -- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@dmlb.org | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. dmlb@freebsd.org| Steven King To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 2: 7:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B64C37B40B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5D95xEa073071; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:05:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with UUCP id g5D95wtN073070; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:05:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5D94oo0002726; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:04:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200206130904.g5D94oo0002726@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Duncan Barclay Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) References: In-Reply-To: ; from Duncan Barclay "Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:45:35 BST." Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:04:50 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> I'm hoping for a 3-bed bungalow in a just-out-of-town location for > >> about UKP800 PCM. > > That should be okay out of town. In town you'll get something but maybe > in a "bad" location (bad for Cambridge is not really bad at all). Good to know! > This is a good accomidation board > http://www.brettward.co.uk/canb/ > > There is another that contains all the commercial people, but I don't > have the URL - try > http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/cambridgeuk/ > > and the essential > http://www.bluesplodge.co.uk/cambridge/pubs/ Thanks! > The choice of location is probably going to be influenced by > where you are working and the time you start work - traffic getting > into Cambridge in the morning is horrible. I'm in Science Park, and commuting from the centre of town (Crowne Plaza). I guess I'm looking in Histon and the like, up north. > > That should be doable. My father lives in Meldreth, about 15 miles SW > > of Cambridge IIRC, and before he bought his house, it was getting £550 > > per month rent. > > Small world - I live about two villages closer to Cambridge than Meldreth. We need to meet for a drink sometime :-). I'd like get together with the Cambridge crowd again. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 5:14:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA6337B41B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DCEDp39577 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:14:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA94970 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:14:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:14:13 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site Message-ID: <20020613141413.A94512@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat References: <20020612194338.W39397-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020612194338.W39397-100000@server2.highperformance.net>; from jcwells@highperformance.net on Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 07:46:37PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason C. Wells said on Jun 12, 2002 at 19:46:37: > Does anyone know how I can capture an audio stream to a file? Also, how > can one "Save Link As" from a Flash page? You can save audio streams with vsound (http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/vsound/) The linux version of it is in the ports (audio/linux-vsound) but when I tried, ages ago, I couldn't get it to work. However, I just found that the current version compiles natively on FreeBSD and works. I'll probably submit it as a port soon... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 6:16: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1294837B42B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DDFbp51246 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:15:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id PAA99449 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:15:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:15:37 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site Message-ID: <20020613151537.A99347@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat References: <20020612194338.W39397-100000@server2.highperformance.net> <20020613141413.A94512@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020613141413.A94512@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@online.fr on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:14:13PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan said on Jun 13, 2002 at 14:14:13: > > Does anyone know how I can capture an audio stream to a file? Also, how > > can one "Save Link As" from a Flash page? > > You can save audio streams with vsound > (http://www.zip.com.au/~erikd/vsound/) I just send-pr'd a port, you can pick it up from http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39228 - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 6:52:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B6237B426 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:47:41 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c212e0$dffe3b70$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "Chip Wiegand" Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:47:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm part the way there. I have 3 roommates, each with their own computers, and we are networked peer to peer via a linksys router/4-port switch. OS's are 1 Windoze 98, 2 XP's, and my (gasp) Windoze 2K (okay, I'm working on getting away from it, but I'm waiting for 4.6 final to come out before I take the plunge). Our network is very intermittant, esp. trying to connect the XP machines at all, and with giving the others access to my machine. I'm not even sure which protocol is in use; TCP/IP is installed on all of them, but so is Windows File and Printer sharing (which uses NetBIOS?). I've heard that XP is esp. evil about consistency on a network. I would like to use TCP/IP, but I have no clue about how to set it up. Tommie F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Wiegand" To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 11:08, Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right now > (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working with > computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, > hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay with > networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something else > computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any ideas? It > does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few hours a > week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a good job > but it can't hurt to ask..... > > TJ, > Raleigh, NC, USA Put together a home network, maybe even mix a few differant OS's to learn how the communicate with each other, that's how I started (my home network is 9 pc's). -- Chip W www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:24:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC9E37B440 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DEKY703589; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:20:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:20:34 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> Message-ID: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote to Ryan Thompson: > At 07:57 PM 6/12/2002, Ryan Thompson wrote: > > > RIIIIIGHT, Brett. Try a Google search next time. Or at least flip > > a couple pages on your calendar. :-) > > > > My favorite discussion of this was on -questions last year. > > > > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/151/2001/7/1650/6224687/ > > > > - Ryan > > Methinks you need to turn up the sensitivity on your humor > detector. Yes, I know about the ballplayer. Ha! My humor detector is still forwarding packets. Maybe *yours* is the one having trouble sensing the media type? :-) Repeat after me: :-) means "smile". :-) means "smile". :-) means "smile". And again: I will not insult Ryan's sense of humor in public. I will not insult Ryan's sense of humor in public. I will not insult Ryan's sense of humor in public. Ok, one last time: April Fool jokes are much funnier in April. April Fool jokes are much funnier in April. April Fool jokes are much funnier in April. :-) Smile, and welcome to the first day in the rest of your life. Ermm... You asked for that. :-) - Ryan <-- goes back to "lurk" mode after flogging our poor little ball player to death. .-----------------------------. : =SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING= : :-----------------------------: : The Surgeon General advises : : that taking this message : : seriously may cause ulcers. : `-----------------------------' -- Ryan Thompson SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901 1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-3630 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:30:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5405F37B443 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exmbx01camb.global.cadence.com (exmbx01camb.Cadence.COM [194.32.100.67]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27245; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc598cam ([194.32.96.109]) by exmbx01camb.global.cadence.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:31:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c212e7$0025ae50$6d6020c2@pc598cam> From: "Duncan Barclay" To: "Mark Murray" Cc: References: <200206130904.g5D94oo0002726@grimreaper.grondar.org> Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:30:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 14:31:34.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[0467C4D0:01C212E7] X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as HAA27245 at Thu Jun 13 07:30:22 2002 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >> I'm hoping for a 3-bed bungalow in a just-out-of-town location for > > >> about UKP800 PCM. > > > > That should be okay out of town. In town you'll get something but maybe > > in a "bad" location (bad for Cambridge is not really bad at all). > > Good to know! > > > This is a good accomidation board > > http://www.brettward.co.uk/canb/ > > > > There is another that contains all the commercial people, but I don't > > have the URL - try > > http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/cambridgeuk/ Heard it on the radio on the way to work: http://cambridgeletting.co.uk/ > > and the essential > > http://www.bluesplodge.co.uk/cambridge/pubs/ > > Thanks! > > > The choice of location is probably going to be influenced by > > where you are working and the time you start work - traffic getting > > into Cambridge in the morning is horrible. > > I'm in Science Park, and commuting from the centre of town (Crowne Plaza). > I guess I'm looking in Histon and the like, up north. Maybe, Histon, Cottingham etc. are where nearly all the people on the Science Park live. The traffic on the A10 from the north can be a pig in the morning. The traffic from Histon is easier. A lot depends on the time of day. I work on the Science Park, and it takes me 20mins from Foxton, down south. > > > That should be doable. My father lives in Meldreth, about 15 miles SW > > > of Cambridge IIRC, and before he bought his house, it was getting 550 > > > per month rent. > > > > Small world - I live about two villages closer to Cambridge than Meldreth. > > We need to meet for a drink sometime :-). I'd like get together with > the Cambridge crowd again. Are you in town today? I'm probably in town this evening if you fancy a swift pint. ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@dmlb.org | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. dmlb@freebsd.org| Steven King ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:31: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E9F37B429 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5DEUvjl040340; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site In-Reply-To: <3D082F1E.A335D67B@pantherdragon.org> Message-ID: <20020613072531.T40327-100000@server2.highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > heavy.com seems to be using Shockwave audio, not MP3 for their songs? > The HTTP request sent by my workstation to the webserver when I click > to play "So, The Circus Is Back In Town" by Cato Salsa Experience > shows a request for a .swf file, and a sending of a matching MIME type. > This a tcpdump processed with tcpshow of the HTTP request and reply > for the song file itself: I shoulda thought of using tcpdump. Thanks. Later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:38:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D167B37B410 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DEcRp66159 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA04650 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:38:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:38:26 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Ryan Thompson Cc: Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Message-ID: <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Ryan Thompson , Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com>; from ryan@sasknow.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 08:20:34AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ryan Thompson said on Jun 13, 2002 at 08:20:34: > Ha! My humor detector is still forwarding packets. > > Maybe *yours* is the one having trouble sensing the media type? :-) > > Repeat after me: > > :-) means "smile". If it was indeed funny (Brett's mail was, imo), a smiley would be unnecessary. ``I cringe when I see them,'' says the movie critic Roger Ebert, a hatitue of CompuServe, interviewed via e-mail. On the other hand, he adds, ``smileys might be a real help for today's students, raised on TV and unskilled at spotting irony without a laugh track.'' ``...the hateful :) which means 'just kidding' and is used by people who would dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted with Drano.'' -- Penn Jillette ``The smiley is an attack on writers and readers alike. If it is funny, it doesn't need a smiley. If is not funny, a smiley won't help it. The smiley teaches writers that anything they write will pass as humor as long as it is punctuated properly. It teaches readers that they must ignore their better judgment, and look only at punctuation to determine intent.'' -- Jim Showalter (quotes I came across long ago, can't vouch for authenticity but I liked them) R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:49:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E8637B428 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DEK3127676 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5DEK2n20937 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:20:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DEJw620929 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:58 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: roles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What exactly is the role of the committer? Does one have to be an experienced programmer to be a committer? I'm trying to figure out a way to help with the FreeBSD project, so I'll looking at pretty much any aspect of helping out. An ideas? (or is there a web page that missed that has all this on it, beside the basic ones on freebsd.org?) Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Torque, it makes the world go 'round. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 7:57:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BD437B413 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DEvGp69564 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA05592 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:57:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:57:16 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: roles Message-ID: <20020613165716.B1543@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com>; from anderson@centtech.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 09:19:58AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson said on Jun 13, 2002 at 09:19:58: > What exactly is the role of the committer? Does one have to be an > experienced programmer to be a committer? I'm trying to figure out > a way to help with the FreeBSD project, so I'll looking at pretty > much any aspect of helping out. An ideas? (or is there a web page > that missed that has all this on it, beside the basic ones on > freebsd.org?) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html ITYM "contributor" rather than "committer", btw... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 8:11:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC53537B41E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5DFB4Ea024696; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:11:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with UUCP id g5DFB46r024695; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:11:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5DF5Bo0005273; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:05:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200206131505.g5DF5Bo0005273@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: "Duncan Barclay" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) References: <001f01c212e7$0025ae50$6d6020c2@pc598cam> In-Reply-To: <001f01c212e7$0025ae50$6d6020c2@pc598cam> ; from "Duncan Barclay" "Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:30:29 BST." Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:05:11 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We need to meet for a drink sometime :-). I'd like get together with > > the Cambridge crowd again. > > Are you in town today? I'm probably in town this evening if you fancy a > swift pint. That sounds like a good move! Shall we take this to phone? I'll email you my mobile number separately. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 12:44:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7975D37B41F for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.176.181]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020613194358.IXZH3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:43:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613094044.01a198c8@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:45:48 -0500 To: Eric Anderson From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <3D05EFBC.6CF6CB0B@centtech.com> References: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:40 AM 6/11/2002, Eric Anderson wrote: >Terry Lambert wrote: > > IMO, PDA-based web browsing isn't very useful. > >Live web browsing isn't, but storing a glob of info into your PDA is very >useful >(for some people). I suck in many megabytes of helpful data, some I've >written, >and some others have written, into my Clie for on-the-go reference. I'm >not big >into getting my own up to date copy of Slashdot or anything, but I definitely >like the use of it for some pages that have useful data. I agree here. Even in non-critical personal use, being able to look up movie/TV schedules or quickly check the weather is really convenient. And with more and more sites providing PDA-formatted content, it's just getting better. >However, iSilo is winning the battle against Avantgo for me. Who/what is "iSilo?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 12:44:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99C037B426 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.176.181]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020613194403.IXZM3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613120526.01a82d28@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:07:06 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: WMA anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any open-source media players that support Windows Media Audio (WMA) files? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 12:44:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E03A37B423 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.176.181]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020613194351.IXYI3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:43:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:35:51 -0500 To: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." From: Chip Morton Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <001801c212e0$dffe3b70$0201a8c0@tjsbox> References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Windows XP has some of the easiest workgroup networking I've ever used. Windows 98 sounds like the most ornery thorn to configure in that bunch. You'll probably want to use TCP/IP as your "standard" protocol, especially if you start dealing with UNIX systems and the Internet. But the Linksys switches that I've used seem to have problems with file/printer sharing via TCP/IP. For this reason, I make it a practice to install TCP/IP and at least NetBEUI or IPX/SPX. (I think in Windows XP NetBEUI has been taken out and replaced with NetBIOS.) Either way, you may find that having your Windows workgroup communicate via NetBIOS with TCP/IP available to other apps that need it helps you. Good luck, Chip Morton At 08:47 AM 6/13/2002, you wrote: >I'm part the way there. I have 3 roommates, each with their own computers, >and we are networked peer to peer via a linksys router/4-port switch. OS's >are 1 Windoze 98, 2 XP's, and my (gasp) Windoze 2K (okay, I'm working on >getting away from it, but I'm waiting for 4.6 final to come out before I >take the plunge). Our network is very intermittant, esp. trying to connect >the XP machines at all, and with giving the others access to my machine. >I'm not even sure which protocol is in use; TCP/IP is installed on all of >them, but so is Windows File and Printer sharing (which uses NetBIOS?). >I've heard that XP is esp. evil about consistency on a network. I would >like to use TCP/IP, but I have no clue about how to set it up. > >Tommie F. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chip Wiegand" >To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." >Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM >Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > > >On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 11:08, Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > > I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right now > > (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working with > > computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, > > hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay with > > networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something else > > computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any ideas? >It > > does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few hours a > > week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a good >job > > but it can't hurt to ask..... > > > > TJ, > > Raleigh, NC, USA > >Put together a home network, maybe even mix a few differant OS's to >learn how the communicate with each other, that's how I started (my home >network is 9 pc's). > >-- >Chip W >www.wiegand.org >chip@wiegand.org > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 12:44:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CCF37B42C for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0366D471DD; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FA1FFD5; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D08F610.545A0B8@pantherdragon.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:16 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Capture Stream or MP3 from Flash site References: <20020613072531.T40327-100000@server2.highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > > heavy.com seems to be using Shockwave audio, not MP3 for their songs? > > The HTTP request sent by my workstation to the webserver when I click > > to play "So, The Circus Is Back In Town" by Cato Salsa Experience > > shows a request for a .swf file, and a sending of a matching MIME type. > > This a tcpdump processed with tcpshow of the HTTP request and reply > > for the song file itself: > > I shoulda thought of using tcpdump. Thanks. "Tcpdump, it's not just for troubleshooting network connections." :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 13: 8:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C892F37B41A for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10215; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140530.030bce10@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:06:10 -0600 To: Ryan Thompson From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:20 AM 6/13/2002, Ryan Thompson wrote: >Ha! My humor detector is still forwarding packets. > >Maybe *yours* is the one having trouble sensing the media type? :-) > >Repeat after me: > >:-) means "smile". >:-) means "smile". >:-) means "smile". Sounds as if you're speaking MIME. ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 13:10:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D71237B401 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10277; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:10:23 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:08:14 -0600 To: Rahul Siddharthan , Ryan Thompson From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:38 AM 6/13/2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > ``I cringe when I see them,'' says the movie critic Roger Ebert, a > hatitue of CompuServe, interviewed via e-mail. On the other hand, he > adds, ``smileys might be a real help for today's students, raised on > TV and unskilled at spotting irony without a laugh track.'' Ebert fails to recognize that what the smiley is substituting for is intonation, which (in most cultures) is what disambiguates irony. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 13:34:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4F037B417 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g5DKYZp41314 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id WAA23698 ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:34:35 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Message-ID: <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:08:14PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass said on Jun 13, 2002 at 14:08:14: > At 08:38 AM 6/13/2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > ``I cringe when I see them,'' says the movie critic Roger Ebert, a > > hatitue of CompuServe, interviewed via e-mail. On the other hand, he > > adds, ``smileys might be a real help for today's students, raised on > > TV and unskilled at spotting irony without a laugh track.'' > > Ebert fails to recognize that what the smiley is substituting for > is intonation, which (in most cultures) is what disambiguates irony. You forget that written language existed for millennia before smileys became widespread. Also, irony isn't the same thing as humour. I think a smiley is particularly inappropriate for true irony or sarcasm, which is often meant to be cutting or insulting. If it wasn't meant to be cutting, the writer should make sure it doesn't read that way in the first place, rather than tack on a smiley as an afterthought... I'm not totally anti-smiley, I often use them myself. But I don't like seeing them thrown in every two sentences. So I can sympathize with those quotes. Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 13:43: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD3137B426 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DKe9107823; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g5DKe9Z15301; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:40:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5DKe6615284; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D090326.14974364@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:40:06 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent References: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613094044.01a198c8@threespace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Morton wrote: > >Live web browsing isn't, but storing a glob of info into your PDA is very > >useful > >(for some people). I suck in many megabytes of helpful data, some I've > >written, > >and some others have written, into my Clie for on-the-go reference. I'm > >not big > >into getting my own up to date copy of Slashdot or anything, but I definitely > >like the use of it for some pages that have useful data. > > I agree here. Even in non-critical personal use, being able to look up > movie/TV schedules or quickly check the weather is really convenient. And > with more and more sites providing PDA-formatted content, it's just getting > better. > > >However, iSilo is winning the battle against Avantgo for me. > > Who/what is "iSilo?" iSilo is a great web sucking tool. You can grab a page (or pages, or image, or site for that matter) and slap it into a pdb isilo format for the palm. It's kinda like wget, but for the palm. You run iSilo on your box, it grabs the sites you tell it to and builds pdb files from those sites, and then you sync them into your palm. Check out: /usr/ports/palm/isilo and: http://www.isilo.com/ Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Torque, it makes the world go 'round. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 14: 1:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170F237B41D for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:58:58 -0600 Message-ID: <004501c2131d$1e628e70$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "Chip Morton" Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:58:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe you are correct about NetBEUI. W2K doesn't use it either, at least not by default. I forgot to mention, client for microsoft networks is installed on each machine, so technically it's a Microsoft network (ugh) I've got here. When I uninstall MS Networks Client and File and Printer Sharing service, will I need to do anything to my tcp/ip configuration? I have considered using ipx/spx too, but fewer services installed = fewer vulnerabilities in the network, or so I'm told. Thanks a lot, you all have been I lot more help than I could expect, considering that I'm still stuck in MS World! Tommie F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Morton" To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." Cc: "FreeBSD Chat" Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > Windows XP has some of the easiest workgroup networking I've ever > used. Windows 98 sounds like the most ornery thorn to configure in that bunch. > > You'll probably want to use TCP/IP as your "standard" protocol, especially > if you start dealing with UNIX systems and the Internet. But the Linksys > switches that I've used seem to have problems with file/printer sharing via > TCP/IP. For this reason, I make it a practice to install TCP/IP and at > least NetBEUI or IPX/SPX. (I think in Windows XP NetBEUI has been taken > out and replaced with NetBIOS.) Either way, you may find that having your > Windows workgroup communicate via NetBIOS with TCP/IP available to other > apps that need it helps you. > > Good luck, > Chip Morton > > > At 08:47 AM 6/13/2002, you wrote: > >I'm part the way there. I have 3 roommates, each with their own computers, > >and we are networked peer to peer via a linksys router/4-port switch. OS's > >are 1 Windoze 98, 2 XP's, and my (gasp) Windoze 2K (okay, I'm working on > >getting away from it, but I'm waiting for 4.6 final to come out before I > >take the plunge). Our network is very intermittant, esp. trying to connect > >the XP machines at all, and with giving the others access to my machine. > >I'm not even sure which protocol is in use; TCP/IP is installed on all of > >them, but so is Windows File and Printer sharing (which uses NetBIOS?). > >I've heard that XP is esp. evil about consistency on a network. I would > >like to use TCP/IP, but I have no clue about how to set it up. > > > >Tommie F. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chip Wiegand" > >To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." > >Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" > >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM > >Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > > > > > >On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 11:08, Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > > > I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right now > > > (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working with > > > computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, > > > hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay with > > > networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something else > > > computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any ideas? > >It > > > does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few hours a > > > week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a good > >job > > > but it can't hurt to ask..... > > > > > > TJ, > > > Raleigh, NC, USA > > > >Put together a home network, maybe even mix a few differant OS's to > >learn how the communicate with each other, that's how I started (my home > >network is 9 pc's). > > > >-- > >Chip W > >www.wiegand.org > >chip@wiegand.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 14:30:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA3C37B477 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a180.otenet.gr [212.205.215.180]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5DLP3XM021772; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:25:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5DLP2Fq002360; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:25:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5DLP2t7002359; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:25:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:25:01 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: roles Message-ID: <20020613212501.GA2275@hades.hell.gr> References: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 2002-06-13 09:19 -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > What exactly is the role of the committer? Exactly the same role that every FreeBSD contributor has. "To develop and improve FreeBSD in any way that seems fit." > Does one have to be an experienced programmer to be a committer? No, not really. Although it helps at times. You don't have to be a wizard of programming to help with making FreeBSD a better operating system and environment for its users. There are many ways in which you can contribute without being a hot-shot programmer. > I'm trying to figure out a way to help with the FreeBSD project, so > I'll looking at pretty much any aspect of helping out. You should start by reading the "Contributing to FreeBSD" article. Find it online at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/ - Giorgos --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9CQ2t1g+UGjGGA7YRAjhTAKDEaqkO49bUk7/SlvI78wZlQrHu1wCeJtVu ZxnziihE2jpLlrWFDAjqPSk= =RNJe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 14:35: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDA037B448 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DDA381461; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:59:40 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:59:40 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Duncan Barclay Cc: Mark Murray , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) Message-ID: <20020613212940.GA3526@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206130904.g5D94oo0002726@grimreaper.grondar.org> <001f01c212e7$0025ae50$6d6020c2@pc598cam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001f01c212e7$0025ae50$6d6020c2@pc598cam> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 13 June 2002 at 15:30:29 +0100, Duncan Barclay wrote: >>> The choice of location is probably going to be influenced by >>> where you are working and the time you start work - traffic getting >>> into Cambridge in the morning is horrible. >> >> I'm in Science Park, and commuting from the centre of town (Crowne Plaza). >> I guess I'm looking in Histon and the like, up north. > > Maybe, Histon, Cottingham etc. are where nearly all the people on the > Science Park live. The traffic on > the A10 from the north can be a pig in the morning. The traffic from Histon > is easier. A lot depends on > the time of day. I work on the Science Park, and it takes me 20mins from > Foxton, down south. Ah. I was idly wondering whether Foxton or Newton. Isn't Foxton the place with the nice pub? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 16:32:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CEC37B429 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g5DN5Nm29881; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:05:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:05:23 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Eric Anderson Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent Message-ID: <20020614000523.S39690@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613094044.01a198c8@threespace.com> <3D090326.14974364@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Tx2XG0Hc/yoUCMV6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D090326.14974364@centtech.com>; from anderson@centtech.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 03:40:06PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Tx2XG0Hc/yoUCMV6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 03:40:06PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > iSilo is a great web sucking tool. You can grab a page (or pages, or ima= ge, or > site for that matter) and slap it into a pdb isilo format for the palm. = It's > kinda like wget, but for the palm. You run iSilo on your box, it grabs t= he > sites you tell it to and builds pdb files from those sites, and then you = sync > them into your palm.=20 >=20 > Check out: > /usr/ports/palm/isilo >=20 > and: > http://www.isilo.com/ And did you know that the FAQ, Handbook, and other documents are also avilable in iSilo format? Check out ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/faq/book.pdb.gz for an example. The Doc. Project rules :-) N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --Tx2XG0Hc/yoUCMV6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9CSUyk6gHZCw343URAhRdAJ4upA0Mh+uk44RRalHMljh3jiukiACeKpFH XGPAcCUiZpRemH1DAs+Q7xU= =2ewX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Tx2XG0Hc/yoUCMV6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 17:26:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202A137B409 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0043.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.43] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17IetU-000463-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:24:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3D0937AA.48950BB5@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:24:10 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > At 08:38 AM 6/13/2002, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > ``I cringe when I see them,'' says the movie critic Roger Ebert, a > > hatitue of CompuServe, interviewed via e-mail. On the other hand, he > > adds, ``smileys might be a real help for today's students, raised on > > TV and unskilled at spotting irony without a laugh track.'' > > Ebert fails to recognize that what the smiley is substituting for > is intonation, which (in most cultures) is what disambiguates irony. Brett has just made a Shakespearian "aside" to the audience, as if the other players up on the stage with him can not hear him, simply because he has used the stage directions of: 1) Looking directly to the audience. 2) Put his right hand up, flat, thumb towards his body, index finger to the left of his mouth, and pinky toward the audience. This is a dramatic technique called a "stage whisper", very much like the one you are reading right now... Next, we shall learn about the "Deux Ex Machina" or "God From the Machine"... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 17:40:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A2837B40D for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0043.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.43] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17If3h-0002CP-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3D093A24.C90113D8@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:34:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Brett Glass wrote: > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: [ ... ] > You forget that written language existed for millennia before smileys > became widespread. Also, irony isn't the same thing as humour. I > think a smiley is particularly inappropriate for true irony or > sarcasm, which is often meant to be cutting or insulting. If it > wasn't meant to be cutting, the writer should make sure it doesn't > read that way in the first place, rather than tack on a smiley as an > afterthought... I tend to use smileys so that non-English speakers do not become unnecessarily offended when humor was intended, but the subtlety of the humor will not translate well, or even for native English speakers, when the humor is above average complexity, e.g. as in a triple or quadruple entendre, or when something like the right justification of the written text is meant to convey some covert message to the clever reader. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 18:37:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ainaz.pair.com (ainaz.pair.com [209.68.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABED837B409 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 76563 invoked by uid 3338); 14 Jun 2002 01:37:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:37:40 -0400 From: Travis Cole To: Nik Clayton Cc: Eric Anderson , Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: AvantGo user-agent Message-ID: <20020614013740.GA75445@ainaz.pair.com> References: <3D058120.B47C110F@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613094044.01a198c8@threespace.com> <3D090326.14974364@centtech.com> <20020614000523.S39690@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020614000523.S39690@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 12:05:23AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > And did you know that the FAQ, Handbook, and other documents are also > avilable in iSilo format? Check out > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/faq/book.pdb.gz for an > example. > > The Doc. Project rules :-) Cool! I'm hot syncing those now. Although It might be cooler if the contents of faq.zip was named something like faq.pdb rather than book.pdb so it doesn't have the same name as the handbook files. Its probably time to register my copy of isilo :) Its a good product. -- -tcole To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 18:40:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0B337B40E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:39:48 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c21344$58776a00$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> <3D093A24.C90113D8@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:11:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I never knew smileys could cause such controversy! (aside) I wonder what would happen if they knew my PC likes to dress up as a Mac and hang out on the corner at night..... yes, that was a joke Tommie F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Lambert" To: "Rahul Siddharthan" Cc: "Brett Glass" ; "Ryan Thompson" ; Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett Glass wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > You forget that written language existed for millennia before smileys > > became widespread. Also, irony isn't the same thing as humour. I > > think a smiley is particularly inappropriate for true irony or > > sarcasm, which is often meant to be cutting or insulting. If it > > wasn't meant to be cutting, the writer should make sure it doesn't > > read that way in the first place, rather than tack on a smiley as an > > afterthought... > > I tend to use smileys so that non-English speakers do not become > unnecessarily offended when humor was intended, but the subtlety > of the humor will not translate well, or even for native English > speakers, when the humor is above average complexity, e.g. as in > a triple or quadruple entendre, or when something like the right > justification of the written text is meant to convey some covert > message to the clever reader. > > 8-). > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 18:40:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C4637B41A for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:39:54 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c21344$5addbba0$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "Chip Morton" Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> <004501c2131d$1e628e70$0201a8c0@tjsbox> Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:15:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oops. TCP/IP is just a protocol, but I still need a client and a service.... TF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "Chip Morton" Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > I believe you are correct about NetBEUI. W2K doesn't use it either, at > least not by default. I forgot to mention, client for microsoft networks is > installed on each machine, so technically it's a Microsoft network (ugh) > I've got here. When I uninstall MS Networks Client and File and Printer > Sharing service, will I need to do anything to my tcp/ip configuration? I > have considered using ipx/spx too, but fewer services installed = fewer > vulnerabilities in the network, or so I'm told. > > Thanks a lot, you all have been I lot more help than I could expect, > considering that I'm still stuck in MS World! > > Tommie F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chip Morton" > To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." > Cc: "FreeBSD Chat" > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > > > > Windows XP has some of the easiest workgroup networking I've ever > > used. Windows 98 sounds like the most ornery thorn to configure in that > bunch. > > > > You'll probably want to use TCP/IP as your "standard" protocol, especially > > if you start dealing with UNIX systems and the Internet. But the Linksys > > switches that I've used seem to have problems with file/printer sharing > via > > TCP/IP. For this reason, I make it a practice to install TCP/IP and at > > least NetBEUI or IPX/SPX. (I think in Windows XP NetBEUI has been taken > > out and replaced with NetBIOS.) Either way, you may find that having your > > Windows workgroup communicate via NetBIOS with TCP/IP available to other > > apps that need it helps you. > > > > Good luck, > > Chip Morton > > > > > > At 08:47 AM 6/13/2002, you wrote: > > >I'm part the way there. I have 3 roommates, each with their own > computers, > > >and we are networked peer to peer via a linksys router/4-port switch. > OS's > > >are 1 Windoze 98, 2 XP's, and my (gasp) Windoze 2K (okay, I'm working on > > >getting away from it, but I'm waiting for 4.6 final to come out before I > > >take the plunge). Our network is very intermittant, esp. trying to > connect > > >the XP machines at all, and with giving the others access to my machine. > > >I'm not even sure which protocol is in use; TCP/IP is installed on all of > > >them, but so is Windows File and Printer sharing (which uses NetBIOS?). > > >I've heard that XP is esp. evil about consistency on a network. I would > > >like to use TCP/IP, but I have no clue about how to set it up. > > > > > >Tommie F. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Chip Wiegand" > > >To: "Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr." > > >Cc: "FreeBSD-Chat" > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:11 PM > > >Subject: Re: looking for computer exp. > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 11:08, Tommie "TJ" Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > > > > I am in school (just starting) as a networking technology major right > now > > > > (associates degree program). I don't have any formal exp. working > with > > > > computers/networks (except as a user), but I would like to get some, > > > > hopefully in a variety of areas, to see if i actually want to stay > with > > > > networking, or go over to internet tech, programming, or something > else > > > > computer-related (before I get too far along in my program). Any > ideas? > > >It > > > > does have to pay, at least a little, or it has to only take a few > hours a > > > > week if it doesn't. I KNOW this isn't such a great time to find a > good > > >job > > > > but it can't hurt to ask..... > > > > > > > > TJ, > > > > Raleigh, NC, USA > > > > > >Put together a home network, maybe even mix a few differant OS's to > > >learn how the communicate with each other, that's how I started (my home > > >network is 9 pc's). > > > > > >-- > > >Chip W > > >www.wiegand.org > > >chip@wiegand.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 19:37:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D585C37B435; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654498163C; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:07:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:07:41 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Tony Finch Cc: Mikhail Teterin , bmah@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Ukraine (Re: Quotes from Dev Summit III) Message-ID: <20020614023741.GA32485@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206131907.g5DJ71Q7011230@intruder.bmah.org> <200206131614.58052.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020614003045.A8818@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020614003045.A8818@chiark.greenend.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat] On Friday, 14 June 2002 at 0:30:45 +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:14:58PM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >> >> The country is called Ukraine, not "the Ukraine". > > In Ukrainian or in English? Unless I'm very much mistaken, there's no word for "the" in Ukrainian. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 19:41:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF437B41B; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0360.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.105] helo=mindspring.com) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Ih1l-0005jG-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3D0957B4.ADB8A03F@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:40:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: Tony Finch , Mikhail Teterin , bmah@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Ukraine (Re: Quotes from Dev Summit III) References: <200206131907.g5DJ71Q7011230@intruder.bmah.org> <200206131614.58052.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020614003045.A8818@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20020614023741.GA32485@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > [Moved to -chat] > On Friday, 14 June 2002 at 0:30:45 +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:14:58PM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > >> > >> The country is called Ukraine, not "the Ukraine". > > > > In Ukrainian or in English? > > Unless I'm very much mistaken, there's no word for "the" in Ukrainian. It's probably just a dictionary omission, like the word "gullible" being left out of most printings of "Websters Disctionary". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 19:47:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8654537B41C for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g5E2l7k29348 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:47:07 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Ukraine (Re: Quotes from Dev Summit III) Message-ID: <20020613194707.A12015@ehlke.net> References: <200206131907.g5DJ71Q7011230@intruder.bmah.org> <200206131614.58052.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020614003045.A8818@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20020614023741.GA32485@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3D0957B4.ADB8A03F@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D0957B4.ADB8A03F@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 07:40:52PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 07:40:52PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > It's probably just a dictionary omission, like the word "gullible" > being left out of most printings of "Websters Disctionary". > Or this definition of Hoosier, which seems to have disappeared from modern versions of Webster's: 1) A slow or slothful person; a dullard. 2) A person from Indiana. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 19:52:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4034837B409; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7A881340; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:22:47 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:22:47 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Terry Lambert Cc: Tony Finch , Mikhail Teterin , bmah@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Ukraine (Re: Quotes from Dev Summit III) Message-ID: <20020614025247.GB32485@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200206131907.g5DJ71Q7011230@intruder.bmah.org> <200206131614.58052.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020614003045.A8818@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20020614023741.GA32485@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3D0957B4.ADB8A03F@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D0957B4.ADB8A03F@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 13 June 2002 at 19:40:52 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> [Moved to -chat] >> On Friday, 14 June 2002 at 0:30:45 +0100, Tony Finch wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 04:14:58PM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >>>> >>>> The country is called Ukraine, not "the Ukraine". >>> >>> In Ukrainian or in English? >> >> Unless I'm very much mistaken, there's no word for "the" in Ukrainian. > > It's probably just a dictionary omission, like the word "gullible" > being left out of most printings of "Websters Disctionary". The lack of a definite article? No, that's nothing to do with dictionaries, it's to do with language. A (for Western European speakers) surprising number of languages have no definite article. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 22:14:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [216.145.48.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A56D37B405 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FreeBSD.org (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19D8B5BA; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D097BA6.B8EC7B84@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:14:14 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: roles References: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson wrote: > > What exactly is the role of the committer? The only thing that distinguishes a committer from any other contributor to the project is the ability to add his or her contribution directly to the cvs tree. > I'm trying to figure out a way to help with the > FreeBSD project, so I'll looking at pretty much any aspect of helping out. Any > ideas? The single best way to contribute to the project is to pick something to work on that you will enjoy for its own sake. That way, even if the project decides not to use your work, you'll have already achieved something worthwhile. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 23:18:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6CA37B413 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluerondo.a.la.turk (nas-cbv-2-62-147-132-236.dial.proxad.net [62.147.132.236]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E430D5F8A3 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:18:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 321 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jun 2002 06:18:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:18:49 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? Message-ID: <20020614061848.GA276@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> <3D093A24.C90113D8@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D093A24.C90113D8@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Jun 13, 2002 at 17:34:44: > I tend to use smileys so that non-English speakers do not become > unnecessarily offended when humor was intended, Actually, your smileys tend to be part of your signature, so it's impossible to figure out the context anyway... > 8-). > > -- Terry - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 13 23:29:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C81437B40B for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0278.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.23] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17IkaY-00069b-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:29:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3D098D2C.23531FEA@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:29:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Brett Glass , Ryan Thompson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who is this Charlie guy in /etc/passwd? References: <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020612214125.02fa4dc0@localhost> <20020613080114.N506-100000@ren.sasknow.com> <20020613163826.A1543@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613140653.00d64340@localhost> <20020613223435.A23313@lpt.ens.fr> <3D093A24.C90113D8@mindspring.com> <20020614061848.GA276@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert said on Jun 13, 2002 at 17:34:44: > > I tend to use smileys so that non-English speakers do not become > > unnecessarily offended when humor was intended, > > Actually, your smileys tend to be part of your signature, so it's > impossible to figure out the context anyway... It depends. I have a lot of internal humor. Generally, I will signal humor, unless it's a practical joke, by putting a "smiley" in context. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 0:25:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dmlb.org (pc1-camc6-0-cust106.cam.cable.ntl.com [80.4.4.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B421537B422; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slave.my.domain ([192.168.200.39]) by dmlb.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17IlSW-000Mlw-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:25:24 +0100 Received: from dmlb by slave.my.domain with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17IlSW-000Mb8-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:25:24 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020613212940.GA3526@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:25:24 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: House pricse in Cambs (was: Semi-offline for a while.) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Jun-2002 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 13 June 2002 at 15:30:29 +0100, Duncan Barclay wrote: >>>> The choice of location is probably going to be influenced by >>>> where you are working and the time you start work - traffic getting >>>> into Cambridge in the morning is horrible. >>> >>> I'm in Science Park, and commuting from the centre of town (Crowne Plaza). >>> I guess I'm looking in Histon and the like, up north. >> >> Maybe, Histon, Cottingham etc. are where nearly all the people on the >> Science Park live. The traffic on >> the A10 from the north can be a pig in the morning. The traffic from Histon >> is easier. A lot depends on >> the time of day. I work on the Science Park, and it takes me 20mins from >> Foxton, down south. > > Ah. I was idly wondering whether Foxton or Newton. Isn't Foxton the > place with the nice pub? You are probably thinking of the Queens Head in Newton - little old place with a big fire, Adnams straight from the barrel and home cured ham dinners. Lovely place. Foxton's pub is a lot better than it used to be, but it is just a normal pub. > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > -- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@dmlb.org | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. dmlb@freebsd.org| Steven King To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 4:32:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6FC37B400; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 7A6425362; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:32:43 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Doug Barton Cc: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: roles References: <3D08AA0E.B934C965@centtech.com> <3D097BA6.B8EC7B84@FreeBSD.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 14 Jun 2002 13:32:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3D097BA6.B8EC7B84@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Barton writes: > The only thing that distinguishes a committer from any other > contributor to the project is the ability to add his or her contribution > directly to the cvs tree. ...and an amazing capacity for bikesheds and flamefests :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 12:39:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EC437B446 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (hbix92in6ml7akxx@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5EJdRXN085709; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g5EJdPPd085706; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Eric Anderson , Subject: Re: roles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020614123905.Y85459-100000@12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Jun 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Doug Barton writes: > > The only thing that distinguishes a committer from any other > > contributor to the project is the ability to add his or her contribution > > directly to the cvs tree. > > ...and an amazing capacity for bikesheds and flamefests :) Nah, we have plenty of people who are not committers who know how to stoke a good fire. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 13:55:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-56.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F038137B445 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9301166E1B; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:52:40 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: WMA anyone? Message-ID: <20020614135240.A67049@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613120526.01a82d28@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020613120526.01a82d28@threespace.com>; from tech_info@threespace.com on Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:07:06PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:07:06PM -0500, Chip Morton wrote: > Are there any open-source media players that support Windows Media Audio= =20 > (WMA) files? mplayer? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 19:13: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7036837B415 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tjsbox mercury12@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [66.57.227.223] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.9 $ on Novell NetWare; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:12:53 -0600 Message-ID: <009b01c21412$2511de10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> From: "Tommie \"TJ\" Fitzgerald, Jr." To: "FreeBSD Chat" References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> Subject: zzzzzzzzzzzzz Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:12:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will someone wake me when 4.6 is out? TF | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | _ _ | | / \ | | <0 0> | | /\ | | | \ \ /\ /\ / / \ \/ \/ \/ / \______/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 14 19:15:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5E537B404 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g5F2FZW30298 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:15:35 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzz Message-ID: <20020614191535.B7472@ehlke.net> References: <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> <009b01c21412$2511de10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <009b01c21412$2511de10$0201a8c0@tjsbox>; from mercury12@myrealbox.com on Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:12:45PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:12:45PM -0400, Tommie TJ Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > Will someone wake me when 4.6 is out? > I think the linux folks have released four kernels in the past week. If you're the impatient type, maybe they have something for you. *d,r&h* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 15 2:20:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FAB37B434 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 02:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609F6243F7 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:19:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tarmap.nospam.schulte.org (tarmap.schulte.org [209.134.156.198]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7502243C2 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:19:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020615041625.02d97398@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:19:06 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzz In-Reply-To: <20020614191535.B7472@ehlke.net> References: <009b01c21412$2511de10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <006601c2123c$1a66fd10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> <1023919904.47009.31.camel@chip.wiegand.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020613092857.019d6dd8@threespace.com> <009b01c21412$2511de10$0201a8c0@tjsbox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:15 PM 6/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 10:12:45PM -0400, Tommie TJ Fitzgerald, Jr. wrote: > > Will someone wake me when 4.6 is out? > > >I think the linux folks have released four kernels in the past week. If >you're the impatient type, maybe they have something for you. > >*d,r&h* Well, the release isn't official until an announcement is made, but ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.6/ looks to be complete. It should not be too much longer. I'd guess this weekend. -- Christopher Schulte http://www.schulte.org/ Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org email address. This address is valid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 15 8:19: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arcor.de (ACB1BCC7.ipt.aol.com [172.177.188.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D075837B41E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "todschick38259@arcor.de" To: Subject: Entschuldigen Sie bitte die Störung! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:18:16 +0200 Reply-To: "todschick38259@arcor.de" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020615151758.D075837B41E@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Entschuldigen Sie bitte die Störung! Mir ist etwas zu Ohren gekommen. Eine relativ aussergewöhnliche Gerüchteküche, aus der man mir ein schwerverdauliches Süppchen vorgesetzt hat, ist der Grund meiner Mail. Unappetitlich ist gar kein Ausdruck! Ist es möglich auf funktechnischem Wege(in welchen Frequenzbereichen?) jemanden zu beeinflussen oder zu manipulieren? Oder sogar zu schikanieren und terrorisieren? Unter dem Motto:"Einen am Sender?Nich ganz alleine? Kleine Mannim Ohr?Falsche Wellenlänge?Bohnen in den Ohren? Auf den Zahn gefühlt(Amalgam)?Mal unverbindlich reinhören? Der Pullacher Wanzentanz? Ist das Spinnerei?Das geht doch gar nicht,oder? Und wenn wie sieht das ethisch moralisch aus? Zur technischen Seite der Sache gibt es zwar Berichte und Webseiten: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. ,aber,das kann doch nicht sein,das soetwas gemacht wird,oder? Eine Menschenrechtsverletzung sonder gleichen!?! Ist es möglich,durch Präparation,der Ohren und im Zusammenspiel mit eventuell vorhandenem Zahnersatz? Mit relativ einfacher Funktechnik?? In diesem Land?Hier und heute??? Unter welchen Motiven? Wo ist eigentlich die Abteilung 5 des BND und des Verfassungsschutzes? Kann es sein,daß es Leute gibt,die dem BND/Verfassungsschutz,auf funktechnischem Wege permanent einen Situationsbericht abliefern,ohne es selbst zu merken,im Kindesalter machbar gemacht?? Werden durch solche inoffiziellen Mitarbeiter,beim BND und Verfassungsschutz,nach Stasimanier, Informationen von und über,rein theoretisch, jeden Bundesbürger,gesammelt? Gibt es dann noch ein Recht auf Privatsphere? Wer kontrolliert eigentlich den BND,MAD und Verfassungsschutz auf Unterwanderung??? In der Mail geht es mir eigentlich um die Frage,ob es kriminellen Elementen, aus dem Motiv der Bereicherung,oder Gruppierungen aus ideologischen Motiven, möglich ist ,sich Wissen und Technik anzueignen,die zu anderen Zeiten, aus anderen Motiven(Westfernsehen?),entwickelt wurde. Und stellt der technische Wissensstand, der der Allgemeinheit bekannt ist wirklich das Ende der Fahnenstange dar? Ist es denn nicht kriminellen Elementen genauso möglich, ich sage das jetzt mal verharmlost und verniedlichend, einzelne Personen oder Gruppen mit relativ einfachen Mitteln, aus welchen Motiven auch immer, auszuspionieren? Und stellt diese "Ausspioniererei" nicht einen erheblichen Eingriff in die Privatsphäre dar? Ist es möglich einzelne Personen oder Gruppen, eine Akzeptans einer gewissen Öffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), die z.B. mit Hilfe von Internetseiten,wie zum Beispiel dem "Pranger"geschaffen werden könnte, mal vorausgestzt,zu terroriesieren und oder zu schikanieren, und das in aller (suggerierten)Öffentlichkeit?Haben die Leute die da am Pranger, oder auf irgendeiner anderen Seite verunglimpft,oder gar Verleumdet werden, eigentlich eine Chance zur Gegenöffentlichkeit?Ist das nicht Rufmord? Vor einigen Jahren bin ich per Zufall auf die Seite "Der Pranger" gestoßen, damals lief das noch nicht unter dem Deckmantel der Partnervermittlung. Können sich einzelne Personen,oder Interessengemeinschaften, aus reinem Selbstzweck,solcher Seiten bedienen, um unter dem Deckmantel einer fragwürdigen Zivilkourage, durch anzetteln irgendwelcher Hetzkampagnen,eigene, ganz persöhnliche Interessen durchsetzen? Können solche Seiten zur Koordination von kriminellen machenschaften dienen? Die Frage,ist es Möglichkeit oder Unmöglichkeit,technisch und gesellschaftlich, einzelne Personen,oder auch Gruppierungen,aus einer kriminellen/ideologischen Energei heraus,zu manipulieren oder zu beeinflussen,terrorisieren oder zu schickanieren,und zwar gezielt. Zielgruppenmanipulation durch Massenmedien sind alltägliche Manipulation, der mansich,mehr oder weniger,entziehen kann. Wird das Recht auf Privatsphäre,schleichend,tiefenpsychologisch, durch Sendungen,wie,zum Beispiel "Big brother",untergraben? Sollte bei einem der Angemailten ein gewisser Wissensstand zum Thema vorhanden sein, wäre ich über Hinweise zum Thema froh. Auf der Suche nach Antworten auf meine Fragen maile ich verschiedene Adressen aus dem Internet an, und hoffe aufkonstruktive Antworten und Kritiken. Über einen Besuch auf der Seite würde ich mich freuen. Sollten Sie von mir mehrfach angeschrieben worden sein,so bitte ich Sie,mir dies zu entschuldigen, das war nicht beabsichtigt. Der Grund für meine Anonymität ist die Tatsache, daß bei derlei Fragenstellerei, verständlicherweise,schnell der Ruf nach der Psychatrie laut wird. Was auch Methode hat(ist). Sollten Sie die Mail als Belästigung empfinden, möchte ich mich hiermit dafür entschuldigen! Big brother is watching you? Excuse please the disturbance! Me something came to ears. A relatively unusual rumor kitchen, from which one put forward to me a heavydigestible soup, is the reason of my Mail. Unappetizing is no printout! Is it possible on radio Wege(in for which frequency ranges?) to influence or manipulate someone? Terrorize or to even chicane and? Under the Motto:"Einen at the Sender?Nich quite alone? Small Mannim Ohr?Fal Wellenlaenge?Bohnen in the ears? On the tooth clean-hear gefuehlt(Amalgam)?Mal witthout obligation? The Pullacher bug wanzentanz? Isn't the Spinnerei?Das goes nevertheless at all, or? And if as looks ethicalally morally? For the technical page of the thing there is to report and web page: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. but, that cannot be nevertheless, which is made soetwas, or? A violation of human rights resemble special!?! Is it possible, by preparation, the ears and in interaction with possibly available artificial dentures? With relatively simple radio engineering?? In this Land?Hier and today??? Under which motives? Where is the department actually 5 of the BND and the protection of the constitution? Can it be that there are people, which deliver the Federal Intelligence Service/protection of the constitution, on radio way permanently a situation report, without noticing it, in the infancy feasiblly made? By such unofficial coworkers, with the BND and protection of the constitution, after Stasimanier, is information collected of and over,purely theoretically, each Federal citizen? Is there then still another right to Privatsphere? Who actually checks the BND, WAD and protection of the constitution for infiltration??? Into the Mail actually concerns it to me the question whether it criminal items, from which motive of enriching, or groupings from ideological motives is possible, to acquire itself knowledge and technique which were developed at other times, from other Motiven(Westfernsehen?).And does the technical knowledge status place, to that the public admits is really the end of the flag bar? Is it not to criminal items just as possible, I legend that now times played down and does nice-end, individual persons or groups with relatively simple means, to spy from whatever motives always? And doesn't this " Ausspioniererei " represent a substantial intervention into the privatsphaere? It is possible individual persons or groups, one acceptance to of a certain Oeffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), e.g. by Internet pages, how for example the " Pranger"geschaffen could become, times vorausgestzt, to terroriesieren and or chicane, and in everything (the people suggerierten)Oeffentlichkeit?Haben there at the Pranger, or on any other page to be reviled, or slandered, actually a chance to the Gegenoeffentlichkeit?Ist that not character assassination? Some years ago I am by coincidence the page " the Pranger " encountered, at that time ran not yet under the cover of the partner switching.Itself can individual persons, or communities of interests, from pure self purpose, such pages to serve, over under the cover of a doubtful Zivilkourage, through plot any rushing campaigns, own, quite persoehnliche interests to intersperse? Can such pages serve for the co-ordination of criminal machinations? The question, is it possibility or impossibility, technically and socially, individual persons, or also groupings of manipulating or of influencing from an criminal/ideological Energei, terrorizes or to schickanieren, directed.Target group manipulation by mass media are everyday manipulation, from which, more or less, can extract itself. Does the right to privatsphaere, creeping, by transmissions become deep psychological, how, for example " Big undermine brother"? If the Angemailten should be available a certain knowledge status to the topic with one, I would be glad over notes to the topic On the search for responses to my questions maile I different addresses from the Internet on, and hope up-constructional responses and criticisms.Over an attendance on the page wuerde I are pleased.If you should have been written down by me several times, then please I you to excuse me this that was not intended. The reason for my anonymity is the fact that with such Fragenstellerei, understandably, fast after the call the Psychatrie loud becomes. Which also method hat(ist). If you should feel the Mail as annoyance, I would like to apologize hereby for it! Big is watching you? Veuillez excuser le dérangement! Moi quelque chose concernant des oreilles est venu. Une cuisine de bruit relativement inhabituelle, dont on m'a placé un Sueppchen schwerverdauliches devant, est la raison de mes Mail.Aucune expression n'est peu appétissante! Il est possible sur un Wege(in funktechnischem pour quelles réponses fréquentielles?) quelqu'un influencer ou manipuler? Ou même schikanieren et terroriser? Sous le Motto:"Einen au Sender?Nich tout à fait seulement? Petits Mannim Ohr?Falsche Wellenlaenge?Bohnen dans les oreilles? Sur la dent gefuehlt(Amalgam)?Mal non contraignant reinhoeren? Le Pullacher Wanzentanz? Le Spinnerei?Das n'est-il quand même pas du tout va, ou? Et si comme cela paraît éthiquement moralement? Au côté technique de la chose, il y a certes des rapports et des Webseiten: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. toutefois qui ne peut quand même pas être qui on fait soetwas, ou? Une violation des droits de l'homme séparer ressembler!?! Il est possible, par la préparation, des oreilles et dans l'effet avec la prothèse dentaire éventuellement existante? Avec la technique de radio relativement simple?? Dans ce Land?Hier et aujourd'hui Sous quels motifs? Où le département est-il en réalité 5 du BND et de la protection d'constitution? peut il être qu'il y a les personnes qui livrent en permanence le BND/Verfassungsschutz, de manière funktechnischem un rapport de situation, sans le remarquer le -même , dans l'enfance rendu possible?? Par de tels collaborateurs officieux, avec le BND et la protection d'constitution, après manière, des informations sont-elles rassemblées et plus de, purement théoriquement, chaque citoyen allemand? Il y a alors encore un droit à des Privatsphere? Qui contrôle en réalité le BND, mad et protection d'constitution sur une infiltration??? Il s'agit en réalité dans le Mail me la question de savoir si lui éléments criminels, dont le motif de l'enrichissement, ou de groupements des motifs idéologiques, possible de s'acquérir le savoir et la technique qui à d'autres temps, est autre MotivenEt place-t-il le savoir technique dont le public vraiment la fin la barre de drapeau a connaissance ? Il n'est pas donc exactement la même chose possible pour des éléments criminels, moi cela maintenant fois verharmlost et minimisant une légende, personnes ou groupes particuliers avec des moyens relativement simples, de quels motifs aussi toujours, auszuspionieren?(Westfernsehen?), a été développé. Et ce "Ausspioniererei" ne représente-t-il pas une intervention considérable dans la vie privée? Il est possible personnes ou groupes particuliers, pour certain Oeffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), celui p. ex. à l'aide des côtés Internet, comme par exemple "le Pranger"geschaffen pourrait, fois vorausgestzt schikanieren terroriesieren et ou , et qui toute (suggerierten)Oeffentlichkeit?Haben les personnes ceux là, ou d'un autre côté verunglimpft, ou on ne pas calomnie, en réalité une chance au Gegenoeffentlichkeit?Ist qui meurtre d'appel? Il y a quelques années, je ne suis pas encore par hasard sur le côté "celui" poussé, fonctionnais alors cela sous la couche de pont de l'entremise partenaire. Des personnes particulières, ou des communautés d'intérêts le peuventelles, d'un autobut pur, de tels côtés servent, sous la couche de pont d'un Zivilkourage douteux, tracent plus de des campagnes de précipitation, propres intérêts tout à fait persoehnliche entremêlent? De tels côtés peuvent-ils servir à la coordination des manoeuvres criminelles? Question, est lui possibilité ou impossibilité de manipuler ou d'influencer techniquement et socialement, particulière personnes, ou aussi groupements, criminelle/ponctuel idéologique Energei dehors, , terroriser ou schickanieren, et ce.Une manipulation de groupe cible par des masse-médias être la manipulation quotidienne qui peut extraire mansich, plus ou moins. Le droit à la vie privée est-il miné, ramment, tiefenpsychologisch, par des envois, comme, par exemple "des Big brother"? Avec un les Angemailten si un certain savoir devait exister sur le thème, je serais heureux sur des indications sur le thème.Sur la recherche des réponses à mes questions je différentes adresses maile d'Internet dessus, et espère réponses et critiques aufkonstruktive. Sur une visite du côté http://hometown.aol.de/reinerhohn38259/homepage/index.html> je me réjouirais. Si vous deviez avoir été écrit à différentes reprises par moi, je vous demande de m'excuser cela qui n'était pas envisagé. La raison de mon anonymat est le fait qu'avec telle des Fragenstellerei, l'appel devient ce qui est bien compréhensible, rapidement bruyant après le Psychatrie. Ce que la méthode a également (ist). Si vous deviez ressentir les Mail comme un ennui, je voudrais m'excuser par ceci pour cela! Big brother is watching you? Könnte mir jemand bei der korrekten Überstzung helfen? Could someone help me with the correct translation? Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'aider lors du Ueberstzung correct? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 15 18:53:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DD037B40E for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:53:00 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AF7B20A70118; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:52:59 -0700 Received: from fourohfour.ods.org (106-155.poncpe.cableone.net [24.116.106.155]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:52:59 -0600 Message-ID: <3D0BF024.9070206@fourohfour.ods.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:55:48 -0500 From: Kevin Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: problems installing 4.6 from iso image Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: fourohfour.ods.org X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: sar@fourohfour.ods.org X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 106-155.poncpe.cableone.net [24.116.106.155] Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I d/l the iso image for disc 1 of freebsd-4.6, but cannot get it to install. The install fails during the installation of the ports collection with a cpio error. I tried installing 4.5 from a cd I have, and it installed fine, so I dont think its my hd. I've burned 3 copies and all three die at the same time, about 16% through installing the ports. I've checked the md5sum and it matches for the d/l, but is it possible something happened during the d/l and the file is corrupt? Are there any others with the same problem? Kevin Miller To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 15 19:18:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail1.acecape.com [66.114.74.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBABF37B41C; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5G2IQUM011685; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:18:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-X-Sender: fran@zoraida.natserv.net To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE is now available In-Reply-To: <200206152334.g5FNYQgJ003134@intruder.bmah.org> Message-ID: <20020615221645.I14042-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > Acknowledgments > --------------- > > Many companies donated equipment, network access, or man-hours to > finance the release engineering activities for FreeBSD 4.6, including > Compaq, Yahoo!, and The FreeBSD Mall. I don't get this. Compaq donated something to the effort, yet they don't even list FreeBSD on their list of supported OSs. Have we tried to talk to the group/division that helped with the release about having FreeBSD listed as a supported OS? 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