From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 13 18:29:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFC637B401 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.merchantsbarter.com (server.merchantsbarter.com [198.78.66.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BD743E97 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damien@tougas.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (me-lewiston-pw-225.mint.adelphia.net [216.227.164.225]) by server.merchantsbarter.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1F31084 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:32:09 -0400 From: Damien Tougas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: A Quick Reference Guide Message-ID: <16020000.1034368329@localhost> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have been toying with the idea of writing a quick reference quide for FreeBSD, something that people could have on thier desk for easy command reference. It would be designed to show how to do specific, common tasks, without going into great depth (letting that be the job of books and man pages). This would probably not be of much use for seasoned experts (at least initially), but might be a good resource for someone who is new to the OS (perhaps newbies, and others more experienced who are crossing over from other OSs). Anyways, I have began putting some thoughts onto paper, and thought people might like to take a look before I get too far. A VERY preliminary starting point can be seen by downloading http://www.tougas.net/QuickRef.pdf I would be interested in hearing peoples ideas on the subject, and if there are any requests as to what you might like to see included. Some things that I thought about including are (in addition to basic commands), reference pages for stuff like vi, subnet calculations, and a page with helpful tips and tricks. Let me know what you think. Thanks. -- Damien Tougas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 0:17:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120237B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C44443EAC for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:17:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (malin.twenty4help.se [195.67.108.195]) by mailf.telia.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9E7H2Kn015085; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:17:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3DAA6EAF.90701@401.cx> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:13:51 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Tougas Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A Quick Reference Guide References: <16020000.1034368329@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damien Tougas wrote: > Hello, > > I have been toying with the idea of writing a quick reference quide for > FreeBSD, something that people could have on thier desk for easy command > reference. It would be designed to show how to do specific, common > tasks, without going into great depth (letting that be the job of books > and man pages). This would probably not be of much use for seasoned > experts (at least initially), but might be a good resource for someone > who is new to the OS (perhaps newbies, and others more experienced who > are crossing over from other OSs). > > Anyways, I have began putting some thoughts onto paper, and thought > people might like to take a look before I get too far. A VERY > preliminary starting point can be seen by downloading > http://www.tougas.net/QuickRef.pdf > > I would be interested in hearing peoples ideas on the subject, and if > there are any requests as to what you might like to see included. Some > things that I thought about including are (in addition to basic > commands), reference pages for stuff like vi, subnet calculations, and a > page with helpful tips and tricks. > > Let me know what you think. > > Thanks. > > -- > Damien Tougas > Looks great so far. If this thing keeps growing to cover a big part of all commands available, I know I will keep it handy. I've been doing fbsd daily for 5 years but it still happens that I go to man pages to find a certain flag or argument to commands I dont use regularly. A quick reference like this would be awesome. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 1:30:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068AD37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titan.seed.net.tw (titan.seed.net.tw [139.175.54.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E81E43EB3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: from [61.59.154.235] (helo=leafy.idv.tw) by titan.seed.net.tw with esmtp (Seednet MTA build 20010831) id 1810cM-0003Nu-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:30:26 +0800 Received: from leafy.idv.tw (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leafy.idv.tw (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9E8U644000220 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:30:07 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from leafy@leafy.idv.tw) Received: (from leafy@localhost) by leafy.idv.tw (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9E8U6Kn000219 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:30:06 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:30:06 +0800 From: JY To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A Quick Reference Guide Message-ID: <20021014083006.GA193@leafy.idv.tw> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <16020000.1034368329@localhost> <3DAA6EAF.90701@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DAA6EAF.90701@401.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 09:13:51AM +0200, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > If this thing keeps growing to cover a big part of all commands > available, I know I will keep it handy. I've been doing fbsd daily for > 5 years but it still happens that I go to man pages to find a certain > flag or argument to commands I dont use regularly. A quick reference > like this would be awesome. > > -- > R O'Reilly has a 'UNIX In a Nutshell' book, much like what we need. Maybe we just need 'FreeBSD in a Nutshell'. JY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 11: 0:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06F637B407 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EC243EBE for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 22976 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 14 Oct 2002 18:00:12 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9EI09n5031598; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021011200224.A89464-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: pgreen Subject: Re: arch "package format flaws?" thread in raw mailbox format? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Moschuk , Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Oct-2002 pgreen wrote: > Terrance, I don't think it was worth it. Do you, Terrance, know just how > many resources are used to send these messages, Terrance? Terrance, I was > wondering if you could stop sending us those silly jokes, Terrance. > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > >> Dan Moschuk wrote: >> > | http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ >> > >> > Thanks, but I was hoping somebody had the discussion already in raw format to >> > save me the trouble of writing a script to parse out the thread from numerous >> > html files. >> >> Must... click... link... bottom... of... page... to... save... Enterprise! This is, umm, chat@. 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Notice the first one? (.4.3) Hit enter on it, and it shows "gnome-fifth-toe". What the heck is that? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Skydiving - safer than the stock market. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 15:53:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A371537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40B543E8A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9EMr5Kg061717; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:53:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9EMqxv6061716; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:52:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:52:59 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packages from FTP Message-ID: <20021014225259.GC61025@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> Mail-Followup-To: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3DAB39DB.1010900@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DAB39DB.1010900@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.41 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 04:40:43PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > Run /stand/sysinstall, and look through the packages on ftp.freebsd.org > via ftp. > > Notice the first one? (.4.3) > Hit enter on it, and it shows "gnome-fifth-toe". > > What the heck is that? happy-idiot-talk:...ports/x11/gnome-fifth-toe:% less pkg-descr GNOME "Fifth-Toe" A collection of programs that GNOME users may find useful, all brought together with the convenience of a single "meta-port". If you look carefully at the GNOME logo, you'll notice evidence of only four toes. This port aims to provide some missing bits. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 16:46:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1237B401; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmlb.org (pc1-cmbg2-6-cust106.cam.cable.ntl.com [80.4.4.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B4D43E7B; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@dmlb.org) Received: from slave.my.domain ([192.168.200.39]) by dmlb.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 181Euw-000Mfc-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:46:34 +0100 Received: from dmlb by slave.my.domain with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 181Euv-0000Le-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:46:33 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021014041509.GA24069@carbon.slackerbsd.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:46:33 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: Carl Schmidt , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Old port recompiles needed (Re: Unknown symbol "__ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to chat@] On 14-Oct-2002 Carl Schmidt wrote: > The distance argument is probably not relevant. I remember a long time > ago some person from the UK complaining about having to use ISDN because > NTL did not provide cable at that distance, or something. I honestly do > not know about that. In the UK have two main broadband suppliers (outside of London). BT (British Telecom) use ADSL and that is currently limited to around 5km from an exchange. The other is NTL running DOCSIS over their cable network, if you have cable TV then you can get a cable modem now that they've rolled it out over most of the country. If you have no cable, and are >5km from an equiped BT exchange, then it's ISDN. Currently BT require about 250 people to register for small rural villages for them to start considering putting ADSL into local exchanges. I know people that are paying for satellite feeds, and I am having to setup ISDN at a new job. Duncan -- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@dmlb.org | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. dmlb@freebsd.org| Steven King To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 16:52:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F8337B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBF643EA3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3Z00L2UWYYXQ@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:52:09 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Packages from FTP In-reply-to: <20021014225259.GC61025@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> To: Matthew Seaman Cc: Eric Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 06:52 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 04:40:43PM -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: >> Run /stand/sysinstall, and look through the packages on >> ftp.freebsd.org >> via ftp. >> >> Notice the first one? (.4.3) >> Hit enter on it, and it shows "gnome-fifth-toe". >> >> What the heck is that? > > happy-idiot-talk:...ports/x11/gnome-fifth-toe:% less pkg-descr > GNOME "Fifth-Toe" > > A collection of programs that GNOME users may find useful, all > brought > together with the convenience of a single "meta-port". > > If you look carefully at the GNOME logo, you'll notice evidence of > only four toes. This port aims to provide some missing bits. > Does it include Dr. Schoals for that ahh gnome foot odor? ;) --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 16:54:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40D037B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2874543E88 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3Z00BAVX2C7B@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:53:44 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: A Quick Reference Guide In-reply-to: <20021014083006.GA193@leafy.idv.tw> To: JY Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <2C722347-DFD0-11D6-838D-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 04:30 AM, JY wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 09:13:51AM +0200, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg > wrote: >> If this thing keeps growing to cover a big part of all commands >> available, I know I will keep it handy. I've been doing fbsd daily for >> 5 years but it still happens that I go to man pages to find a certain >> flag or argument to commands I dont use regularly. A quick reference >> like this would be awesome. >> >> -- >> R > O'Reilly has a 'UNIX In a Nutshell' book, much like what we need. > Maybe we just need 'FreeBSD in a Nutshell'. > Unfortunately ORA isn't really interested in FreeBSD books at this time, I talked with them recently on this. Now if the community were to show a demand existed.... --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 14 20:35:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BC637B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C6243EA3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from earnoth@comcast.net) Received: from euclid.arnoth.net (pcp02897252pcs.maplln01.de.comcast.net [68.85.111.118]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4000D307AQAP@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:40:31 -0400 From: "Eric I. Arnoth" Subject: A FreeBSD forum To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <1034653231.42960.324.camel@euclid.arnoth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to invite FreeBSD users to visit and participate in Renaissance Quanta, a forum I'm hosting for technology discussions. The main forum is for FreeBSD in particular, both technical and non-technical posts are welcome. -- Eric I. Arnoth http://mywebpages.comcast.net/earnoth CISSP (http://www.isc2.org) http://watch-tower.sourceforge.net earnoth@comcast.net http://www.honeypotdiary.org ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. - Mark Twain, 1898. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 15 1:28:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755BA37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-4-cust210.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.10.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE4543E97 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 181N3r-0000V8-00; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:28:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:28:19 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Eric I. Arnoth" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A FreeBSD forum Message-ID: <20021015082818.GA1830@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Eric I. Arnoth" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <1034653231.42960.324.camel@euclid.arnoth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1034653231.42960.324.camel@euclid.arnoth.net> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:40:31PM -0400, Eric I. Arnoth wrote: > I'd like to invite FreeBSD users to visit and participate in Renaissance > Quanta, a forum I'm hosting for technology discussions. The main forum > is for FreeBSD in particular, both technical and non-technical posts are > welcome. Am I being dumb, or did you neglect to tell us where it is ? ;) Ceri -- you can't see when light's so strong you can't see when light is gone To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 15 4:13:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E737B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E0F43E9E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from earnoth@comcast.net) Received: from euclid.arnoth.net (pcp02897252pcs.maplln01.de.comcast.net [68.85.111.118]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H400058RSIAV2@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:18:37 -0400 From: "Eric I. Arnoth" Subject: Re: A FreeBSD forum In-reply-to: <20021015082818.GA1830@submonkey.net> To: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <1034680718.42960.327.camel@euclid.arnoth.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1034653231.42960.324.camel@euclid.arnoth.net> <20021015082818.GA1830@submonkey.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oops...guess that's what I get for posting late at night. :-\ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/earnoth On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 04:28, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:40:31PM -0400, Eric I. Arnoth wrote: > > I'd like to invite FreeBSD users to visit and participate in Renaissance > > Quanta, a forum I'm hosting for technology discussions. The main forum > > is for FreeBSD in particular, both technical and non-technical posts are > > welcome. > > Am I being dumb, or did you neglect to tell us where it is ? ;) > > Ceri > > -- > you can't see when light's so strong > you can't see when light is gone -- Eric I. Arnoth http://mywebpages.comcast.net/earnoth CISSP (http://www.isc2.org) http://watch-tower.sourceforge.net earnoth@comcast.net http://www.honeypotdiary.org ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. - Mark Twain, 1898. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 15 13:29:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4790637B404 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8461E43EAF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.226.111] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AA56FE8C0094; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00c001c27489$331cc420$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Larry Sica" , "JY" Cc: References: <2C722347-DFD0-11D6-838D-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A Quick Reference Guide Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Larry Sica" To: "JY" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: A Quick Reference Guide > > On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 04:30 AM, JY wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 09:13:51AM +0200, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg > > wrote: > >> If this thing keeps growing to cover a big part of all commands > >> available, I know I will keep it handy. I've been doing fbsd daily for > >> 5 years but it still happens that I go to man pages to find a certain > >> flag or argument to commands I dont use regularly. A quick reference > >> like this would be awesome. > >> > >> -- > >> R > > O'Reilly has a 'UNIX In a Nutshell' book, much like what we need. > > Maybe we just need 'FreeBSD in a Nutshell'. > > > > Unfortunately ORA isn't really interested in FreeBSD books at this > time, I talked with them recently on this. Now if the community were > to show a demand existed.... > > --Larry > ....but why would we with such excellent manpages? ;-) KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 5:40:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EE737B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from callisto.picknowl.com.au (callisto.picknowl.com.au [203.87.94.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCDA43E9E for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imoore@picknowl.com.au) Received: from daemon (popadl-04-192.picknowl.com.au [210.48.131.192]) by callisto.picknowl.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GCeO912813 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:10:25 +0930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ian Moore To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unix history Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:36 +0930 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was wondering if the commercial Unix variants are really unix 'clones' = in=20 the same way that FBSD & Linux are, or do/did they contain AT&T code? They often seem to be refered to as Unix, but I assume that (according th= e=20 laywers) they are not unix anymore than FBSD is. If so, it's interesting that AT&T let so many companies copy their softwa= re! Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 7:16:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CEF37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.bsdng.org (24-159-234-52.jvl.wi.charter.com [24.159.234.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D99643EBE for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mkm@marvin.bsdng.org) Received: by marvin.bsdng.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 34EF5AC44; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:15:22 -0500 From: Kyle Martin To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix history Message-ID: <20021016141522.GA65657@marvin.bsdng.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 10:09:36PM +0930, Ian Moore wrote: > From: Ian Moore > To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Unix history > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:36 +0930 > > Hi, > I was wondering if the commercial Unix variants are really unix 'clones' in > the same way that FBSD & Linux are, or do/did they contain AT&T code? > They often seem to be refered to as Unix, but I assume that (according the > laywers) they are not unix anymore than FBSD is. > If so, it's interesting that AT&T let so many companies copy their software! > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/x45.html might clear things up for you. fwiw, the original AT&T UNIX versions are now open sourced under BSDL thanks to Kirk McKusick et al. -- Kyle Martin mkm@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 8:58:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D537B401; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corserv.corserv.com (user153.net516.tx.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.201.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9845E43EAA; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from klyons@corserv.com) Received: from corserv.com (cygni.corserv.com [192.168.1.2]) by corserv.corserv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9GF18s46644; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:01:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from klyons@corserv.com) Message-ID: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:12:01 -0500 From: Kevin Lyons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD472 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Verisign dns trick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thought this might save some of you out there some needless annoyance and or surprises and downtime. I just went to verisign and wanted to change the dns server of a particular domain. Previously, one could just type in the ip address and hostname to add, or click the old one do delete. Well verisign has changed the link. Now when you click "Manage DNS" it will change the DNS server records to verisign nameservers. Then, to get the actual dns server adjusted, you have to go back and click "Manage DNS" again, and enter the ip addresses that you actually want- that's if you realize what happened to begin with. If one doesn't realize what happened, he will have a hell of a time figuring out why aliases and MX records aren't working. I find it ironic that Verisign tries to be a "trust" broker when they themselves are resorting to underhanded tactics. If they keep this up, I suspect everyone will be using people like godaddy.com. The only justification for such action seems to be the fine print disclaimer which says "If you have services connected to this domain from another company, those services may no longer be available. By continuing, you will be able to add services from Verisign, such as Personalized Email and Web sites". - no kidding! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 9: 5:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC9F37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9569543E9C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pde@bastet.rfc822.net) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A24269F11A; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:06:05 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick Message-ID: <20021016160605.GA32707@rfc822.net> References: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:12:01AM -0500, Kevin Lyons wrote: > > Well verisign has changed the link. Now when you click "Manage DNS" > it will change the DNS server records to verisign nameservers. > > Then, to get the actual dns server adjusted, you have to go back and > click "Manage DNS" again, and enter the ip addresses that you actually > want- that's if you realize what happened to begin with. If one > doesn't realize what happened, he will have a hell of a time figuring > out why aliases and MX records aren't working. > People still use the verisign registrar? Why? -P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 9: 9:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C996937B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.dreksys.com (home.dreksys.com [64.95.143.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7803843E75 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@home.dreksys.com) Received: (from dave@localhost) by home.dreksys.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id JAA06731; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Rossow To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick In-Reply-To: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Kevin Lyons wrote: > I find it ironic that Verisign tries to be a "trust" broker when they > themselves are resorting to underhanded tactics. If they keep this > up, I suspect everyone will be using people like godaddy.com. > > The only justification for such action seems to be the fine print > disclaimer which says "If you have services connected to this domain > from another company, those services may no longer be available. By > continuing, you will be able to add services from Verisign, such as > Personalized Email and Web sites". - no kidding! My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my loyalty and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? Dave dave@dreksys.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 9:16:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DA937B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E1643EB1 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.69] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A05FD4600220; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:14:23 -0500 Message-ID: <03ad01c2752f$40637dd0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Dave Rossow" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:15:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got most everything with www.dotster.com.... Better? I dunno....works pretty well, 'cept their 'update nameservers' script refuses to acknowledge the existence of any DNS machine you haven't explicity registered with their site...and it sometimes takes a while for the site to determine that the NS you entered can be added to their database KDK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rossow" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Kevin Lyons wrote: > > > I find it ironic that Verisign tries to be a "trust" broker when they > > themselves are resorting to underhanded tactics. If they keep this > > up, I suspect everyone will be using people like godaddy.com. > > > > The only justification for such action seems to be the fine print > > disclaimer which says "If you have services connected to this domain > > from another company, those services may no longer be available. By > > continuing, you will be able to add services from Verisign, such as > > Personalized Email and Web sites". - no kidding! > > My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my loyalty > and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? > > Dave > dave@dreksys.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 9:20:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2E637B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC0443EB3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181quT-0007sZ-0V; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:20:37 +0100 Message-ID: <+Fk7igC8FZr9Ewia@caomhin.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:19:08 +0100 To: Dave Rossow Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin Golding Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick References: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone, quite probably Dave Rossow, once wrote: >My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my loyalty >and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? http://www.gandi.net/ Kevin -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 10:50:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C285737B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alistair.scapegoats.org (alistair.scapegoats.org [64.40.92.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F3543E91 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denny@alistair.scapegoats.org) Received: by alistair.scapegoats.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A5C51261; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:50:10 -0500 From: Denny Reiter To: Dave Rossow Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick Message-ID: <20021016175010.GB45625@reiters.org> References: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 12:44PM up 50 days, 9:38, 9 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 X-Pooftas: No X-Message-Flag: This message flagged by The Department of Homeland Security X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x997F9D70 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 09:17:28AM -0700, Dave Rossow wrote: > > My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my loyalty > and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? www.gandi.net About $10 a year, excellent interface, no hassles. They support Open software and have released some of their code. And, one of their primary people is also a committer. -- Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org www.scapegoats.org Command failed: Do you know what you're doing? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 10:56: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00B237B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED4443E91 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H43004875TCY4@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:56:00 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick In-reply-to: <20021016175010.GB45625@reiters.org> To: Denny Reiter Cc: Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <878FA516-E130-11D6-80A9-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 01:50 PM, Denny Reiter wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 09:17:28AM -0700, Dave Rossow wrote: >> >> My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my >> loyalty >> and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? > > www.gandi.net > > About $10 a year, excellent interface, no hassles. They support > Open software and have released some of their code. And, one of > their primary people is also a committer. > opensrs.net has been good to me. I had some issues with verisign about a year ago. Also had to deal with them sending misleading letters to my clients to get them to switch to them as the registrar/dns provider. Verisign/NSI is as slimy as they come now. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 11: 1:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6580A37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4F643EA3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676493F4B; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Larry Sica Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:01:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick Cc: Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3DAD712A.24747.545DEB4@localhost> References: <20021016175010.GB45625@reiters.org> In-reply-to: <878FA516-E130-11D6-80A9-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16 Oct 2002 at 13:56, Larry Sica wrote: > opensrs.net has been good to me. I've been using them for a while now. I like them. No hassles. Just do it. > I had some issues with verisign > about a year ago. Also had to deal with them sending misleading > letters to my clients to get them to switch to them as the > registrar/dns provider. I let some domains expire because I couldn't change their DNS server information. I won't use Verisign again. -- Dan Langille To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 11:36:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6CA37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D578E43EA9 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021016183540.ZMOS11063.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain>; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:35:40 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9GIcTUW052547; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id g9GIcJGK052542; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Ian Moore Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix history References: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 16 Oct 2002 11:38:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was wondering if the commercial Unix variants are really unix 'clones' in > the same way that FBSD & Linux are, or do/did they contain AT&T code? The short answer: The owners of the Unix trademark (www.opengroup.org, IIRC) control who may refer to their OS as "Unix". The've got a suite of tests and specs which include the need to pay them money both to use the tests and the trademark. The specs include what's referred to as "POSIX" and are sorta open. The BSD and Linux OSes attempt to be compatible with most of them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 14:23:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D6237B407 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F9D43E77 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:23:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C631005F; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C95AA98; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3DADD8D5.5B45278@pantherdragon.org> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:23:33 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Golding Cc: Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick References: <3DAD8FD1.3989F2AB@corserv.com> <+Fk7igC8FZr9Ewia@caomhin.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin Golding wrote: > > Someone, quite probably Dave Rossow, once wrote: > >My frustration with Verisign has finally surpassed the sum of my loyalty > >and my lethargy, any suggestions for a better registrar? > > http://www.gandi.net/ Has anyone tried out the DNS hosting provided by FreeBSD Services (freebsd-services.com)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 16 18: 6:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF7937B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E3E43E7B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4DC7816C4; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:36:25 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:36:25 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ian Moore Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unix history Message-ID: <20021017010625.GB57421@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 16 October 2002 at 22:09:36 +0930, Ian Moore wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering if the commercial Unix variants are really unix 'clones' in > the same way that FBSD & Linux are, Well, that's an interesting claim. Linux and BSD are *very* different inside, though the user interface is similar. > or do/did they contain AT&T code? As far as I know, all commercial UNIX versions contain AT&T code. It's possible that things like Tru64 have removed it all. > They often seem to be refered to as Unix, but I assume that > (according the laywers) they are not unix anymore than FBSD is. No, according to the lawyers, anything which passes the UNIX standards compliance suite is UNIX. That includes Microsoft NT and IBM's OS/390. Technically, commercial UNIX is no more UNIX than FreeBSD, but that's mainly because of gratuitous differences. > If so, it's interesting that AT&T let so many companies copy their > software! Why? They paid dearly for the privilege. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 3:41:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDCD37B419; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from callisto.picknowl.com.au (callisto.picknowl.com.au [203.87.94.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2426843E6A; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imoore@picknowl.com.au) Received: from daemon (popadl-04-012.picknowl.com.au [210.48.131.12]) by callisto.picknowl.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HAfV906743; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:11:31 +0930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ian Moore To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: Unix history Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:11:24 +0930 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200210162209.37061.imoore@picknowl.com.au> <20021017010625.GB57421@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20021017010625.GB57421@wantadilla.lemis.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210172011.24942.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:36, you wrote: > On Wednesday, 16 October 2002 at 22:09:36 +0930, Ian Moore wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if the commercial Unix variants are really unix 'clon= es' > > in the same way that FBSD & Linux are, > > Well, that's an interesting claim. Linux and BSD are *very* different > inside, though the user interface is similar. Well, maybe Unix-like would be a better way of putting it? :-)=20 > > > or do/did they contain AT&T code? > > As far as I know, all commercial UNIX versions contain AT&T code. > It's possible that things like Tru64 have removed it all. > > > They often seem to be refered to as Unix, but I assume that > > (according the laywers) they are not unix anymore than FBSD is. > > No, according to the lawyers, anything which passes the UNIX standards > compliance suite is UNIX. That includes Microsoft NT and IBM's > OS/390. Technically, commercial UNIX is no more UNIX than FreeBSD, > but that's mainly because of gratuitous differences. > > > If so, it's interesting that AT&T let so many companies copy their > > software! > > Why? They paid dearly for the privilege. I assumed AT&T or the Open Group must have been paid in some way, but non= e of=20 the the Unix histories or discussions about the BSD-AT&T lawsuit that I'v= e=20 read actually said anything about that. > > Greg Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 4:23:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF0337B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from callisto.picknowl.com.au (callisto.picknowl.com.au [203.87.94.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6B543E4A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:23:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imoore@picknowl.com.au) Received: from daemon (popadl-04-012.picknowl.com.au [210.48.131.12]) by callisto.picknowl.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9HBNc915624 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:53:39 +0930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ian Moore To: Chat Subject: Plan-9 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:53:32 +0930 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210172053.32775.imoore@picknowl.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Another question - I'm always reading bits of suff about Unix history - i= t's=20 nearly as much fun as playing with FBSD itself! I've just been reading so= me=20 stuff on the Bell labs site about Plan 9. Has anyone ever used it? It sou= nds=20 like it could be a pretty nifty system. I wouldn't want to pay $350 for i= t=20 though! (Well that was the price in 1995, I guess it would be a lot more = now,=20 assuming it's still available). Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 5:25:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF78437B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D9F43E42 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 1829ik-00041V-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:25:46 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9HCPknc044484; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:25:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9HCPf7E044483; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:25:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:25:41 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Larry Sica , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'Coolest' development tool of the day?? Message-ID: <20021017122541.GA44453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20021012033923.GA91466@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <6B128304-DDF7-11D6-AF4A-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> <20021012163529.GA36537@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021012163529.GA36537@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 05:35:29PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: | On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:29:37AM -0400, Larry Sica wrote: | | > Does OSX count ;). I've been looking at Project Builder under OS X and | > I like it. Too bad there is no FreeBSD port. That said, on FreeBSD I | > use a combination of nedit, make, gtkdiff and tkcvs. I haven't. I | > tried Kdevelop and it is not bad either imho. | | http://www.gnustep.org/, particularly | http://www.gnustep.org/experience/ProjectCenter.html | | Ports: devel/gnustep It looks cool, but do you have to switch to Objective C? How long has this tool been around? I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 7:24:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E326937B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.egartech.com (aloha.egartech.com [62.118.81.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AEB243E3B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from temik@egartech.com) Received: (qmail 79080 invoked by uid 85); 17 Oct 2002 14:24:17 -0000 Received: from temik@egartech.com by mx02.egartech.com with qmail-scanner-1.03 (. Clean. Processed in 0.609384 secs); 17 Oct 2002 14:24:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO turtle.egar.egartech.com) (192.168.8.4) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 14:24:17 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Plan-9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:24:21 +0400 Message-ID: <5235EF9BAE6B7F4CB3735789EEF73B296E645A@turtle.egar.egartech.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Plan-9 Thread-Index: AcJ1z72Y6vXBzfxJTFOmtyWFjS7OAAAGOb5g From: "Artem Tepponen" To: "Chat" Cc: "Ian Moore" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Ian Moore [mailto:imoore@picknowl.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:24 PM > Another question - I'm always reading bits of suff about Unix history = - it's=20 > nearly as much fun as playing with FBSD itself! I've just been reading = some=20 > stuff on the Bell labs site about Plan 9. Has anyone ever used it? It = sounds=20 > like it could be a pretty nifty system. I wouldn't want to pay $350 = for it=20 > though! (Well that was the price in 1995, I guess it would be a lot = more now,=20 > assuming it's still available). You can download it for free (x86 version). They even have vmware image available :) http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/, then Download the Distribution. Artem Tepponen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 7:49: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871B037B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A23F43EA3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9HEljKg090733; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:47:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost) by happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9HEleBl090732; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:47:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:47:40 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Jonathon McKitrick Subject: Re: 'Coolest' development tool of the day?? Message-ID: <20021017144740.GG88261@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Jonathon McKitrick References: <20021012033923.GA91466@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <6B128304-DDF7-11D6-AF4A-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> <20021012163529.GA36537@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> <20021017122541.GA44453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021017122541.GA44453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-13.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.41 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:25:41PM +0100, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 05:35:29PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > | On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:29:37AM -0400, Larry Sica wrote: > | > | > Does OSX count ;). I've been looking at Project Builder under OS X and > | > I like it. Too bad there is no FreeBSD port. That said, on FreeBSD I > | > use a combination of nedit, make, gtkdiff and tkcvs. I haven't. I > | > tried Kdevelop and it is not bad either imho. > | > | http://www.gnustep.org/, particularly > | http://www.gnustep.org/experience/ProjectCenter.html > | > | Ports: devel/gnustep > > It looks cool, but do you have to switch to Objective C? > How long has this tool been around? I'm surprised I haven't heard of it > before. Oh, since before the Apple --- NeXT merger: something like '96 or '97 I think. The impetus was provided by NeXT publishing the OpenStep specification when they were trying to do a deal with Sun and get an OpenStep desktop onto Solaris. I remember mucking about with a beta version running on Solaris 2.6 on an Ultra 5 --- it was quite usable if a bit slow and clunky compared to NeXTSTEP running native on the same hardware. The whole project was hampered by some daft design decisions, like trying to layer the whole OpenStep display postscript thing on top of X-Windows. Experience has shown that it's far better to provide X functionality by using a rootless X display on top of the DPS layer (or DPDF in MacOS X). Ultimately the Solaris/Openstep project was canned in favour of devoting resources to this upstart little language called Java --- ironic in many ways: the semantics of Objective-C and Java are very similar, even if the syntax is pretty different. Which is because one of the very early Java developers started out as a NeXT-head and he heavily based his work on Obj-C. So much so that MacOS X Project Builder can use either Obj-C or Java interchangably to interface to the standard object libraries. If Sun had had their collective heads together, they could have been shipping a Java based desktop environment with all that NeXTy goodness before the millenium and they might still have had a toehold in the desktop market today... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 11:58:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEEC37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD8343E6E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0289.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.34] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 182Fqd-0001i6-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:58:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAF0803.48D00B4E@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:57:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Artem Tepponen Cc: Chat , Ian Moore Subject: Re: Plan-9 References: <5235EF9BAE6B7F4CB3735789EEF73B296E645A@turtle.egar.egartech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Artem Tepponen wrote: > You can download it for free (x86 version). > They even have vmware image available :) > > http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/, then Download the Distribution. Note that it allocates space backwards, and will stomp other OSs on your disk, as a result, so be prepared to give it its own disk, and, during the install, disconnect disks whose contents you care about. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 13: 7: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CA937B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A25543E7B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 182Gcs-000GOx-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:48:11 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9HJmAnc047239 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:48:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9HJmAOn047238 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:48:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:48:09 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'Coolest' development tool of the day?? Message-ID: <20021017194809.GA47155@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20021012033923.GA91466@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <6B128304-DDF7-11D6-AF4A-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> <20021012163529.GA36537@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> <20021017122541.GA44453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20021017144740.GG88261@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021017144740.GG88261@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophi> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So it's possible, then, to use Project Center to make regular X based tools and console tools, as long as you use Objective C? Does it make sense to go 'back' to objective C in the face of 'advances' such as Java and .Net? jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 15: 8:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2851B37B404 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9E043E6A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 784BA72FD1; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7551072FCC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: Dave Rossow , Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick In-Reply-To: <03ad01c2752f$40637dd0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Message-ID: <20021017150438.I88254-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > I've got most everything with www.dotster.com.... > > > Better? I dunno....works pretty well, 'cept > their 'update nameservers' script refuses > to acknowledge the existence of any DNS > machine you haven't explicity registered with > their site...and it sometimes takes a while for > the site to determine that the NS you entered > can be added to their database > This is true with all registrars -- its a bit of the ugly underbelly behind how data gets from the registrars to the live DNS servers. On the plus side, once the registration is in there you can change the IPs for the host entry and not have to update every single domain entry using that host. Of course, if you use a non-verisign aligned registrar, host adds and domain updates usually happen instantaneously so the registration burden is much less :) -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 17 23:53:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7974637B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C5D43EA3 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D061005F; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91537AA92; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3DAFAFE5.6B558470@pantherdragon.org> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:25 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick References: <20021017150438.I88254-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug White wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > > I've got most everything with www.dotster.com.... > > > > > > Better? I dunno....works pretty well, 'cept > > their 'update nameservers' script refuses > > to acknowledge the existence of any DNS > > machine you haven't explicity registered with > > their site...and it sometimes takes a while for > > the site to determine that the NS you entered > > can be added to their database > > > > This is true with all registrars -- its a bit of the ugly underbelly > behind how data gets from the registrars to the live DNS servers. On the > plus side, once the registration is in there you can change the IPs for > the host entry and not have to update every single domain entry using that > host. > > Of course, if you use a non-verisign aligned registrar, host adds and > domain updates usually happen instantaneously so the registration burden > is much less :) Can you name a few? Looking for a registrar that allows one to have multiple domains with differing registrant information in the same account, has a reasonable update time, and isn't a Verisign puppet has proven difficult. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 18 1:47:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCAE37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7624F43E9E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0032.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.32] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 182SnG-0007EH-00; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:47:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAFCA67.BD903D01@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:46:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: Doug White , "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick References: <20021017150438.I88254-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> <3DAFAFE5.6B558470@pantherdragon.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Doug White wrote: > > Of course, if you use a non-verisign aligned registrar, host adds and > > domain updates usually happen instantaneously so the registration burden > > is much less :) > > Can you name a few? Looking for a registrar that allows one to have > multiple domains with differing registrant information in the same > account, has a reasonable update time, and isn't a Verisign puppet has > proven difficult. Whoever controls the top level DNS controls all the DNS; that's just the way it is. Currently, that's ICANN. It doesn't matter who you go with, ICANN gets their pound of flesh. That's why there is no real protocol defined to register domain names, and why a domain registration can't be completed within a browser timeout: if you have a monopoly, there's no incentive to improve service. The way the registrars that update more quickly operate is to set up their own servers to update from, and forward to the real ones, until the real ones are up: basically, name servers have to be registered within an ASN before they are really there, as far as the root is concerned. As to who does it correctly: no one: it's not permitted that it be run correctly. As to who comes close: it really depends: as soon as any registrar hits a critical mass, the overhead will exceed their ability to process, and it will go to hell, just like the one you leave behind, because it went to hell. Yeah, I'm a little cynical: I tried to get an RFC in for an update and registration protocol that would work in under 1/2 a browser timeout, for registration of new domains, all the way back in 1996, when I saw this was going to be a problem. I guess at least I get the "I told you so", which is poor consolation, indeed. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 18 1:56:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D572037B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vienna9.his.com (vienna9.his.com [216.200.68.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F184C43EAF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.60] (shub@[127.0.0.1]) by vienna9.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g9I7laf20655 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:41:56 +0200 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List From: Brad Knowles Subject: _Absolute BSD_? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, Just read the review of this book at . Can anyone else here lend any further insight? Is this actually a useful book? -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 18 6:13: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AA237B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2AF43EEF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A043F4E; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Brad Knowles Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:13:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: _Absolute BSD_? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3DAFD0B0.12302.E8B00F2@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18 Oct 2002 at 9:41, Brad Knowles wrote: > Just read the review of this book at > . Can anyone > else here lend any further insight? Is this actually a useful book? I finished reading it last week. Since I've recieved it (at the beginning of August) I've used it at least 5 times to solve a problem or find out more information. I'm writing a review for FreshMeat. -- Dan Langille To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 18 13:16:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCA237B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A988043E77 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 272D572FD4; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F0672FD1; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Dave Rossow , Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick In-Reply-To: <3DAFAFE5.6B558470@pantherdragon.org> Message-ID: <20021018131135.S95423-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > Of course, if you use a non-verisign aligned registrar, host adds and > > domain updates usually happen instantaneously so the registration burden > > is much less :) > > Can you name a few? Looking for a registrar that allows one to have > multiple domains with differing registrant information in the same > account, has a reasonable update time, and isn't a Verisign puppet has > proven difficult. You must have missed the whole thread :-) I use an OpenSRS-affiliated registrar, Hostica. OpenSRS's site (opensrs.com) can refer you to one of their many affiliates. All (should) use the standard OpenSRS API which allows for instant web updates. Prices range from $10 to $20 for a standard domain registration. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 18 13:52: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FD337B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB0243E7B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0209.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.209] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 182e5w-0006CZ-00; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3DB07419.42FCBC42@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:50:33 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: Darren Pilgrim , "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Dave Rossow , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign dns trick References: <20021018131135.S95423-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug White wrote: > I use an OpenSRS-affiliated registrar, Hostica. OpenSRS's site > (opensrs.com) can refer you to one of their many affiliates. All (should) > use the standard OpenSRS API which allows for instant web updates. Prices > range from $10 to $20 for a standard domain registration. Have you looked at the OpenSRS source code? It does it's thing via perl scripts which exchange email, even though it bundles it up as if it were a protocol API. It can't act within a browser timeout. Therefore, no matter what, you get to eat a latency on the registration, and then another latency on the DNS server updates; the DNS server support is a seperate service from the registration process itself. Adds are fast; changes are constrained by the timeout for cached DNS records, which are constrained by the TTL settings that they permit. If you are running your own DNS server, then you can set the TTL's to whatever you want. If you are using theirs, then you are generally constrained by some lower bound that they won't let you pass -- if they did, then potentially every page request to your web site would have to hit their server, being that the previous resoloution results were not cached by the requester. So no matter how you look at it, updates are not instant. The best you can do is to run your own DNS server, and set the timeouts for the records in it to some minimum amount less than the minimum amount for the start of authority record and the top level delegation record -- even if you are hosting your own real SOA, the top level delegation will limit the latency with which you can change where it points to -- the authoritative server for a given domain will be cached for subsequent lookups. Basically, this means that, unless you keep your primary DNS at the delegated address, you are going to have to expect *some* outage, and the time for that is usually 24 hours, unless the registrar has a process where you can notify them ahead of time to temporarily reduce the TTL before the changeover takes place. Even so, you will find that many ISPs run caching DNS servers, with a minimum cache lifetime, despite the RFC requirements, so your data can never be made non-stale immediately. The easiest way to prove all this to yourself is to ask yourself how you would design a system to provide this service, too, and how you would deal with the latencies, etc., that are unavoidable because of the top level DNS servers and their registration process being via email, and those that are unavailable because of your own technical requirements for limiting overall server load. Alternately, you could buy the O'Reilly book. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 10:22:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C318E37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1301C43E9E for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from probe-1035043596-1035048144-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com) X-eGroups-Return: probe-1035043596-1035048144-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.176] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2002 17:22:24 -0000 Message-ID: Date: 19 Oct 2002 17:22:24 -0000 From: Yahoo!Groups Reply-To: confirm-unbounce-1035043596-77923465-22263@yahoogroups.co.uk To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Please reactivate your Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 14:18:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF07A37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7052143E42 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC3B2F0D0086; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:18:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:19:22 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: openpkg Message-Id: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was just reading SysAdmin article about OpenPKG, it says FreeBSD 4.x fully supports this package management system. I can't find any info on the FreeBSD web site. Any used it yet? -- Chip W www.wiegand.org chip@wiegand.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 14:23:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE92737B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566CD43E3B for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C824266B5E; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:09 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chip Wiegand Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: openpkg Message-ID: <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:19:22PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > I was just reading SysAdmin article about OpenPKG, it says FreeBSD 4.x > fully supports this package management system. I can't find any info on > the FreeBSD web site. Any used it yet?=20 Someone is incorrect..OpenPKG may support FreeBSD, but the converse is not true. FreeBSD still uses its existing ports/package system. Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9sc09Wry0BWjoQKURAkMqAKDX+cIl56yDGfFSdYUDS+pzXc0zrACg6OQ9 4JLs4lFn5ci+ci7APmi6dY8= =KWzR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 14:34:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEF737B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CD443E91 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFF51F640048; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:34:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:35:16 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-Id: <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway wrote this stuff back on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:09 -0700: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:19:22PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > I was just reading SysAdmin article about OpenPKG, it says FreeBSD > > 4.x fully supports this package management system. I can't find any > > info on the FreeBSD web site. Any used it yet? > > Someone is incorrect..OpenPKG may support FreeBSD, but the converse is > not true. FreeBSD still uses its existing ports/package system. > > Kris On page 8 of the Nov issue in the article is a table with a list of OS's that supposedly support OpenPKG, and FreeBSD 4.x is listed as full support, and FreeBSD 5.0 as partial support. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 15:16:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4D37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DC943E88 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pde@bastet.rfc822.net) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6FD279F11C; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:17:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:17:18 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-ID: <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:35:16PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > On page 8 of the Nov issue in the article is a table with a list of OS's > that supposedly support OpenPKG, and FreeBSD 4.x is listed as full > support, and FreeBSD 5.0 as partial support. > 1) Don't believe everything you read in SysAdmin. Some would say don't believe *anything* you read in SysAdmin. 2) "Package foo works on OS bar" does not mean "OS bar supports package foo". -Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 15:29:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5827337B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07EB43E3B for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACC31C1100F4; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:29:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:29:46 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: Pete Ehlke Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-Id: <20021019152946.4096940a.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pete Ehlke wrote this stuff back on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:17:18 -0500: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:35:16PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > > > On page 8 of the Nov issue in the article is a table with a list of > > OS's that supposedly support OpenPKG, and FreeBSD 4.x is listed as > > full support, and FreeBSD 5.0 as partial support. > > > 1) Don't believe everything you read in SysAdmin. Some would say don't > believe *anything* you read in SysAdmin. hmm, seems there's not many choices in monthly mags that are strictly *nix based. Any other suggestions? -- Chip > 2) "Package foo works on OS bar" does not mean "OS bar supports > package foo". > > -Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 15:35:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA8937B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2374143E4A for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE212F720094; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:35:13 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:35:42 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: Pete Ehlke Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-Id: <20021019153542.5ddffd6c.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pete Ehlke wrote this stuff back on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:17:18 -0500: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:35:16PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > > > On page 8 of the Nov issue in the article is a table with a list of > > OS's that supposedly support OpenPKG, and FreeBSD 4.x is listed as > > full support, and FreeBSD 5.0 as partial support. > > > 1) Don't believe everything you read in SysAdmin. Some would say don't > believe *anything* you read in SysAdmin. > > 2) "Package foo works on OS bar" does not mean "OS bar supports > package foo". > -Pete I understand that. I just found it interesting that some 'group' would try to make a package system that will work on sooo many differing OS's. Even the three BSD's have differing package systems, though there appears to be work going on to bring two of them together. It's been awhile since I read anything about that, so I don't know if that's even still in progress. Seems like a daunting task to me. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 15:46:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD337B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5991A43E4A for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1832MA-00006m-00; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:46:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Chip Wiegand Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg In-Reply-To: <20021019153542.5ddffd6c.chip@wiegand.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Chip Wiegand wrote: > I understand that. I just found it interesting that some 'group' would > try to make a package system that will work on sooo many differing OS's. The NetBSD pkgsrc is used under Red Hat Linux, Darwin OS, and Solaris. (It has settings like ONLY_FOR_PLATFORM, checking for operating system type, etc.) I understand that sometime soon that the NetBSD pkgsrc will be publically announced to be available for multiple operating systems. (I hope to publish an article about using NetBSD pkgsrc under BSD/OS soon. If anyone uses it under BSD/OS and wants to share comments, please email me off-list. Thanks.) Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 15:57:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9723D37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125EA43E6A for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8625266D99; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:57:47 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Chip Wiegand Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-ID: <20021019225747.GA10521@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:35:16PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote this stuff back on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:23:09 -0700: >=20 > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 02:19:22PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > > I was just reading SysAdmin article about OpenPKG, it says FreeBSD > > > 4.x fully supports this package management system. I can't find any > > > info on the FreeBSD web site. Any used it yet?=20 > >=20 > > Someone is incorrect..OpenPKG may support FreeBSD, but the converse is > > not true. FreeBSD still uses its existing ports/package system. > >=20 > > Kris >=20 > On page 8 of the Nov issue in the article is a table with a list of OS's > that supposedly support OpenPKG, and FreeBSD 4.x is listed as full > support, and FreeBSD 5.0 as partial support. Full support *by the OpenPKG people*, not by FreeBSD. Kris --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9seNqWry0BWjoQKURAra8AKC2qRiWxtBrg2a4EsM2INo1MGJkhgCfZbiz H4Za+pMdN+UXH70Tg76/M7g= =c7M3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 19 16: 2:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA6437B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7228343E6E for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pde@bastet.rfc822.net) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5A2F49F11C; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:02:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:02:58 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: openpkg Message-ID: <20021019230258.GA42729@rfc822.net> References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019212309.GA7993@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021019143516.3fe09d2d.chip@wiegand.org> <20021019221718.GA42601@rfc822.net> <20021019152946.4096940a.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021019152946.4096940a.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 03:29:46PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > Pete Ehlke wrote this stuff back on Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:17:18 -0500: > > > 1) Don't believe everything you read in SysAdmin. Some would say don't > > believe *anything* you read in SysAdmin. > > hmm, seems there's not many choices in monthly mags that are strictly > *nix based. Any other suggestions? http://magazine.daemonnews.org ;) -Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message