From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 13:32:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2C137B404 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B96943E8A for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021020203228.UYGL18217.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain>; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:32:28 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9KKYtUW090354; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id g9KKYnFh090349; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Chip Wiegand Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: openpkg References: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Oct 2002 13:34:49 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20021019141922.36ff5429.chip@wiegand.org> Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Wiegand writes: > I was just reading SysAdmin article about OpenPKG, it says FreeBSD 4.x > fully supports this package management system. I can't find any info on > the FreeBSD web site. Any used it yet? I started to try it a couple of days ago because it sounded like it would allow me to install at least some software without having to run installation scripts of uncertain trustworthiness (like most ports) as "root", something that really bugs me. OpenPKGs seems to support that but it get off to a bad start by requiring you to run it's installation software as "root"! Oh well, I'll probably do it, but I'm still investigating the situation. They put up a silly, but more significant hurdle by asking for 300 MB in "/", but I got around that by installing off "/" and by first creating a /tmp/openpkg-1.1.0 link to somewhere with enough room. It was a long build, but completed OK as non-root. Then you must run a script as root to finish up. BTW, I recently tried to convert the entire /usr/local, /usr/ports, /var/db/pkg scheme to belong to and run as local:local using BINOWN=local and BINGRP=local, and it worked OK with some ports, but there are just too many ports which insist on running as root. (Not that that scheme buys much security.) The OpenPKGs people have committed to working around such problems, but it's sometimes lots of work, no doubt a contributing reason for their having only a few hundred packages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 11:30:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065837B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.213.64.2] (firewall.tiadon.com [204.213.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A35143E65 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from rmc.tiadon.com by [204.213.64.2] via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:30:10 -0500 Received: from applications.tiadon.com (applications.internal.com [172.16.18.172]) by bcec01.tiadon.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 4VB6VXN1; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:29:58 -0500 Received: from DaleCoportable ([66.76.92.18]) by applications.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:29:59 -0500 Message-ID: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:25:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, not to beat a dead horse, but since we've recently chatted about registrars, who do you like for your SSL certs? I'm setting up my first (blush) and am getting tired of the site hype.... Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 12:11:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FC437B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.Alameda.net [64.81.63.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF43E3B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EB6B33A201; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:11:47 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <20021021121147.G27297@seven.alameda.net> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable>; from kdk@daleco.biz on Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:25:16PM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:25:16PM -0500, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > but since we've recently chatted > about registrars, who do you like > for your SSL certs? > > I'm setting up my first (blush) > and am getting tired of the site > hype.... > > Kevin Kinsey > DaleCo, S.P. I personal use OpenSRS (I am a reseller with them). Either find a reseller of them to do SSL certs or go directly to geotrust.com through who OpenSRS does it. Verisign wants much more money for a cert then they do. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 12:19:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFF537B407 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B658143E77 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25779; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:19:27 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021131811.02a9cee0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:19:22 -0600 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? In-Reply-To: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:25 PM 10/21/2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: >Well, not to beat a dead horse, >but since we've recently chatted >about registrars, who do you like >for your SSL certs? Myself, I won't pay money to any of them. No system that can be monopolized or exploited to collect outrageous fees for the use of encryption should be supported. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 12:41:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8747A37B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C1643E3B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AA03F4B; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <3DB4203D.28982.1F61C25F@localhost> In-reply-to: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Oct 2002 at 13:25, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > but since we've recently chatted > about registrars, who do you like > for your SSL certs? Some friends are looking at this issue now. So far, we have settled on http://www.instantssl.com/ but found that http://www.freessl.com/ is even cheaper so will look at them closer before deciding. There's a bit of a list (from one of the vendors mind you) at http://www.whichssl.com/ > I'm setting up my first (blush) > and am getting tired of the site > hype.... Decide what you need your cert for. In our case, we are merely encrypting the traffic and do not need any financial transactions. -- Dan Langille To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 12:44: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1772937B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5836643E75 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4C00F0TK5I04@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:44:04 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? In-reply-to: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <7470EF5B-E52D-11D6-8A40-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 02:25 PM, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > but since we've recently chatted > about registrars, who do you like > for your SSL certs? > I've always used Thawte..never had a single problem. --Larry > I'm setting up my first (blush) > and am getting tired of the site > hype.... > > Kevin Kinsey > DaleCo, S.P. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 13:29:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC737B404 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C43143E65 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0018.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.18] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 183jAm-0004MP-00; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3DB46348.D45241C3@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:27:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? References: <3DB4203D.28982.1F61C25F@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: > On 21 Oct 2002 at 13:25, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > > but since we've recently chatted > > about registrars, who do you like > > for your SSL certs? > > Some friends are looking at this issue now. So far, we have settled > on http://www.instantssl.com/ but found that http://www.freessl.com/ > is even cheaper so will look at them closer before deciding. > > There's a bit of a list (from one of the vendors mind you) at > http://www.whichssl.com/ The canonical answer for HTTPS: has to be: "Whatever vendors whose top level authorities are installed by default in both IE and Netscape" -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 14:29:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A227537B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFB043E6E for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.21] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A14B248006A; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c27948$457a89e0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Cc: References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021021121147.G27297@seven.alameda.net> Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:24:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Ulf Zimmermann" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:25:16PM -0500, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > > but since we've recently chatted > > about registrars, who do you like > > for your SSL certs? > > > > I'm setting up my first (blush) > > and am getting tired of the site > > hype.... > > > > Kevin Kinsey > > DaleCo, S.P. > > I personal use OpenSRS (I am a reseller with them). Either find a > reseller of them to do SSL certs or go directly to geotrust.com > through who OpenSRS does it. > > Verisign wants much more money for a cert then they do. > > -- > Regards, Ulf. > What a response! Thanks much to all...this is yet another reason why "FreeBSD" should be as much a "household name" as M$.... Ulf, I happened to google far enough to hit "GeoTrust," and will be looking hard at that ... less than half of VeriSign...that is, unless I can figure out what Brett DOES do in this regard... :-) I'll also check out *ssl.com, and though 'canonical' is a great thing, I think in this case the client'll be happy as long as people don't call and ASK if his website is secure.... Thanks again, Kevin Kinsey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 16:58:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A6C37B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637C043E4A for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F193F4B; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Terry Lambert Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:59:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3DB45C94.9163.204D73AE@localhost> In-reply-to: <3DB46348.D45241C3@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Oct 2002 at 13:27, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2002 at 13:25, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > > Well, not to beat a dead horse, > > > but since we've recently chatted > > > about registrars, who do you like > > > for your SSL certs? > > > > Some friends are looking at this issue now. So far, we have settled > > on http://www.instantssl.com/ but found that http://www.freessl.com/ > > is even cheaper so will look at them closer before deciding. > > > > There's a bit of a list (from one of the vendors mind you) at > > http://www.whichssl.com/ > > The canonical answer for HTTPS: has to be: > > "Whatever vendors whose top level authorities are installed > by default in both IE and Netscape" That will vary from version to version. Newer browsers have more CA certs. When Terry mentions "vendors whose top level authorities" I think it reflects the situation where a few companies have gotten around the problem of not having aroot cert in IE/Netscape by getting one of the "established" CAs to sign an intermediate CA certificate for them. See http://www.whichssl.com/faq/intermediates.html for a bit more detail on the matter. -- Dan Langille To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 17:41:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EA037B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D406343E3B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0195.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.195] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 183n6f-0001Ho-00; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:41:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3DB49E06.9E2B65D2@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:38:30 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? References: <3DB45C94.9163.204D73AE@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: > > The canonical answer for HTTPS: has to be: > > > > "Whatever vendors whose top level authorities are installed > > by default in both IE and Netscape" > > That will vary from version to version. Newer browsers have more CA > certs. > > When Terry mentions "vendors whose top level authorities" I think it > reflects the situation where a few companies have gotten around the > problem of not having aroot cert in IE/Netscape by getting one of the > "established" CAs to sign an intermediate CA certificate for them. > See http://www.whichssl.com/faq/intermediates.html for a bit more > detail on the matter. Yes; just so. The problem of versions has to be "whatever versions you want to have people be able to use without a Dire Warning Of Impending Doom(tm) and/or a refusal to accept the certificate altogether". The natural answer to that is "I want it to work with all SSL capable browsers of any version". An interesting problem here is that a number of the intermediate certificates you mention have, in fact, expired, so as that bug is fixed, or as time goes on, the browsers will start issuing the Dire Warning...(tm) to users. Basically, any unexpected event which occurs during a supposedly secure transaction is the fault of your site, not the fault of the browser, as far as users are concerned (after all, it "works fine" with other certificated sites). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 18:54:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63E637B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2687443E4A for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00794; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:53:57 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:53:53 -0600 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Cc: In-Reply-To: <005901c27948$457a89e0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021021121147.G27297@seven.alameda.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:24 PM 10/21/2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: >Ulf, I happened to google far enough to hit >"GeoTrust," and will be looking hard at >that ... less than half of VeriSign...that is, >unless I can figure out what Brett DOES >do in this regard... :-) Well, it's hard to imagine that having a certificate from Verisign would engender any real trust. After all, they're a would-be monopolist, are under investigation for mail fraud, and have ripped off tens of thousands of domain name registrants for years. We just warn users that a window will pop up, and tell them that by accepting our certificate they'll be assured of secure communications with us in the future. It works. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 18:57:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C0E37B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D013C43E65 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15143F4B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:57:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <3DB47861.20582.20BA0CDE@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> References: <005901c27948$457a89e0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Oct 2002 at 19:53, Brett Glass wrote: > We just warn users that a window will pop up, and > tell them that by accepting our certificate they'll > be assured of secure communications with us in the > future. It works. I suspect many companies just pay the fees to avoid the support calls. It would only take one or two calls to pay for the certificate. -- Dan Langille To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 20:16:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8534737B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seattlefenix.net (seattleFenix.net [216.39.145.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239F943E65 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roo@seattlefenix.net) Received: by seattlefenix.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DBDB436B04; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:16:14 -0700 From: Benjamin Krueger To: Brett Glass Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <20021022031614.GE604@surreal.seattlefenix.net> Reply-To: benjamin@seattleFenix.net References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <4.3.2.7.2.20021021131811.02a9cee0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021131811.02a9cee0@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) [021021 14:07]: > At 12:25 PM 10/21/2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > >Well, not to beat a dead horse, > >but since we've recently chatted > >about registrars, who do you like > >for your SSL certs? > > Myself, I won't pay money to any of them. No system that can > be monopolized or exploited to collect outrageous fees for > the use of encryption should be supported. > > --Brett Glass Damn it, you're right. Now I can't use ATMs or Banks anymore. Fooey. -- Benjamin Krueger ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 20:21:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B452737B401 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seattlefenix.net (seattleFenix.net [216.39.145.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4321B43E6A for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roo@seattlefenix.net) Received: by seattlefenix.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0B9BA36B04; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:21:10 -0700 From: Benjamin Krueger To: Brett Glass Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , ulf@Alameda.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <20021022032110.GF604@surreal.seattlefenix.net> Reply-To: benjamin@seattleFenix.net References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021021121147.G27297@seven.alameda.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.macguire.net/benjamin/public_key.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) [021021 18:54]: > At 03:24 PM 10/21/2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > >Ulf, I happened to google far enough to hit > >"GeoTrust," and will be looking hard at > >that ... less than half of VeriSign...that is, > >unless I can figure out what Brett DOES > >do in this regard... :-) > > Well, it's hard to imagine that having a certificate > from Verisign would engender any real trust. After > all, they're a would-be monopolist, are under > investigation for mail fraud, and have ripped off > tens of thousands of domain name registrants for > years. > > We just warn users that a window will pop up, and > tell them that by accepting our certificate they'll > be assured of secure communications with us in the > future. It works. > > --Brett Thus rendering useless half of the purpose of Secure Certificates. Oh sure, your customers get secure (128bits!) communications with an HTTPS server. "An" HTTPS server, but possibly not "your" HTTPS server. So much for that whole verified identity via trusted 3rd party thing... -- Benjamin Krueger ---------------------------------------------------------------- Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 9: 4:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E337B401 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C541D43E65 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4E00BN74N3NB@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:04:15 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> To: Brett Glass Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , ulf@Alameda.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > At 03:24 PM 10/21/2002, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > >> Ulf, I happened to google far enough to hit >> "GeoTrust," and will be looking hard at >> that ... less than half of VeriSign...that is, >> unless I can figure out what Brett DOES >> do in this regard... :-) > > Well, it's hard to imagine that having a certificate > from Verisign would engender any real trust. After > all, they're a would-be monopolist, are under > investigation for mail fraud, and have ripped off > tens of thousands of domain name registrants for > years. > Ok, what about all the other SSL cert providers? When Ma Bell was found to be a monopoly did you stop using the phone? > We just warn users that a window will pop up, and > tell them that by accepting our certificate they'll > be assured of secure communications with us in the > future. It works. > Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose to a degree of using certificates. One wants a third party CA so people will be able to trust your site. Personally if I get that warning I won't use the site because I do not know if they are who they say they are. To get a cert you need proof that your company is who it says it is and that is it a legal company. It is not just some schlep saying I want to buy one. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 15:36:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAF437B401 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500C143E6A for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13758; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:36:10 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021022163451.00ce6f00@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:36:07 -0600 To: "Dan Langille" , From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? In-Reply-To: <3DB47861.20582.20BA0CDE@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> <005901c27948$457a89e0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:57 PM 10/21/2002, Dan Langille wrote: >I suspect many companies just pay the fees to avoid the support >calls. We don't get support calls, because the users have already read and clicked OUR dialogue box before getting the request to approve the certificate from the browser. --brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 15:37:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C161A37B40D for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B1643E75 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13791; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:37:15 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021022163632.00c44df0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:37:10 -0600 To: benjamin@seattlefenix.net From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20021022031614.GE604@surreal.seattlefenix.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021131811.02a9cee0@localhost> <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <4.3.2.7.2.20021021131811.02a9cee0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:16 PM 10/21/2002, Benjamin Krueger wrote: >Damn it, you're right. Now I can't use ATMs or Banks anymore. After the passage of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, it is indeed questionable whether it's safe to use a bank. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 15:51:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EC437B404 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013C343E6A for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13971; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:51:13 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021022163729.00c4a600@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:51:09 -0600 To: benjamin@seattlefenix.net From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , ulf@Alameda.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20021022032110.GF604@surreal.seattlefenix.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021021121147.G27297@seven.alameda.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Possibly. But then again, I can always go to Verisign and get a certificate that makes the world believe my machine is a Microsoft server. ;-) --Brett At 09:21 PM 10/21/2002, Benjamin Krueger wrote: >Thus rendering useless half of the purpose of Secure Certificates. >Oh sure, your customers get secure (128bits!) communications with >an HTTPS server. "An" HTTPS server, but possibly not "your" HTTPS >server. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 19:23:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2585837B401 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71243E3B for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16526; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:22:20 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021022201207.00c1c240@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:22:13 -0600 To: Larry Sica From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , ulf@Alameda.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021021195034.02b20c70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:04 AM 10/22/2002, Larry Sica wrote: >Ok, what about all the other SSL cert providers? When Ma Bell was found to be a monopoly did you stop using the phone? The Bell System was a legally granted monopoly. It was never "found" to be one. However, I have switched, as much as is possible, away from Qwest, its offspring. Not only did US West neglect vital maintenance of infrastructure and defer connections to new customers for more than a year to make its balance sheet look better before the acquisition, but Qwest (which acquired it with dot-com stock) likewise cooked the books in collusion with Global Crossing. The result: a colossal meltdown that may yet lead to bankruptcy. Some business with the local phone Nazis is unavoidable, but I do give other companies my business when I can. >Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose to a degree of using certificates. One wants a third party CA so people will be able to trust your site. None of the third parties are trustworthy. Any slimeball can get a certificate, and sites that rip people off have certificates just like honest ones do. The companies that issue certificates are the least trustworthy of all. Again, may I remind you that Verisign committed mail fraud. The Postal Inspector asked me to gather evidence, and for all I know I may be a witness at some point in the future. (Of course, since we're under the Dubya administration, Verisign may get off simply by greasing the right palms. George and Dick *love* corporate money.) But I digress. In the real world, the only thing https:// is good for is encryption. It is no guarantee at all that a site is trustworthy in any way, shape, or form. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 22: 0:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CB037B401 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A76143E42 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4F0074B4KQL7@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:00:27 -0400 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20021022201207.00c1c240@localhost> To: Brett Glass Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , ulf@Alameda.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <58A0C34E-E644-11D6-8D77-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 10:22 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > At 10:04 AM 10/22/2002, Larry Sica wrote: > >> Ok, what about all the other SSL cert providers? When Ma Bell was >> found to be a monopoly did you stop using the phone? > > The Bell System was a legally granted monopoly. It was never "found" > to be one. > It was found to be a monopoly, the 1949 suit found it so, in 1956 there was a legal settlement. Then in 74 the DOJ went after them again..and the break up began in 1982. > However, I have switched, as much as is possible, away from Qwest, its > offspring. Not only did US West neglect vital maintenance of > infrastructure > and defer connections to new customers for more than a year to make > its balance sheet look better before the acquisition, but Qwest (which > acquired it with dot-com stock) likewise cooked the books in collusion > with Global Crossing. The result: a colossal meltdown that may yet > lead to > bankruptcy. > > Some business with the local phone Nazis is unavoidable, but I do > give other companies my business when I can. > >> Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose to a degree of using >> certificates. One wants a third party CA so people will be able to >> trust your site. > > None of the third parties are trustworthy. Any slimeball can get a > certificate, and sites that rip people off have certificates just > like honest ones do. The companies that issue certificates are the > least trustworthy of all. Again, may I remind you that Verisign > committed mail fraud. The Postal Inspector asked me to gather > evidence, and for all I know I may be a witness at some point in > the future. (Of course, since we're under the Dubya administration, > Verisign may get off simply by greasing the right palms. George > and Dick *love* corporate money.) > I can see you hate verisign, with good reason, but what about the other CA's? A cert tells the user 2 things really. 1 - that the person who asked for the cert owns this domain. 2. This person has proof they are from place a and as this company. The paperwork is something of a pain in the ass. From there if its a good CA you would need to renew yearly by sending them signatures and if you change info you have to redo your cert. Is it perfect? No. Is it something that i needed? Yes. Now for verisign's sliminess..yes they are slimy, and i have complained about them to the FTC. But how does verisign being slimy mean everyone automatically is? I've never had any problems with thawte (and I know who bought them out) of any sort like verisign has done. They also were forced by the court to stop sending those misleading letters in june . I do not know if anything else will happen, though there is pending litigation against them. From the EFF and another registrar. That said, verisign isn't the only game in town..there is thawte (though now owned by Verisign), and others people have posted. > But I digress. In the real world, the only thing https:// is good > for is encryption. It is no guarantee at all that a site is > trustworthy in any way, shape, or form. > https only provides encryption yes, what the CA's provide, or aim to provide, is a way to know you are talking who you intend to and not someone else, and a way to track who "they" are as you have to register and provide documentation. Just like someone can legally obtain, say a gun, and end up murdering someone, anyone can get a cert with the right proof, and rip you off. So we agree there heh. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 13:39:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99A237B404 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10703.mail.yahoo.com (web10703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1187143E77 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bloom_64@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20021025203939.46995.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.117.48.215] by web10703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:39 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Paolo Subject: Re: Returned message To: chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44vg3ql0mt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Paolo writes: > > > So guys, only countries with important FreeBSD contributors will be > in? > > a) That is *not* what I said. > > b) "in" what? Individual members of the mailing list can block > whatever they want, and nothing you or I or FreeBSD.org do can > change that. The comment we're responding to was about *one* > person who said he was blocking Interbusiness -- it's not as > though > it was the whole list. > > > Seriously, we can't fight spam blocking e-mails coming from > specific > > domains, or we end-up with everything blocked. > > I agree in principle, but this battle is already lost. > > > Let's attack ISPs. Here in Italy I can prosecute spammers as a new > law > > is in place from some months ago. > > > > So far I've no more evidence of spam coming from Italian ISP. > > > > Please give me evidence and I'll prosecute interbusiness or > whatever > > else > > That's a good idea, and (I suspect) more fruitful in the long run > than > running blacklists, but it won't solve your immediate problem. At > least, not in the short run. > > Meanwhile, before you get yourself further puffed up in righteous > indignation, remember that it's still speculation whether domain > blacklists have anything to do with your messages getting bounced. > There are many other possibilities. > > Meanwhile, this is now off-topic for freebsd-questions, and should > move to -chat. > > Be well. > Lowell Gilbert Ok, this is my last e-mail. This is the message I got, and I guess it has something to do with blacklists. Bye : host mx1.freebsd.org[216.136.204.125] said: 554 : Client host rejected: Access denied __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 15:26:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AED837B406 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B68343E6A for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 185CuX-000G2z-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:34 +0100 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9PMQXnc019679 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9PMQXNL019678 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:26:33 +0100 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Where do I send fortune(6) corrections? Message-ID: <20021025222633.GA19662@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan *185CuX-000G2z-00*1LjmlfDQdPs* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just saw a transcription of a song with a big error. The correction makes a huge difference. Who would submit the correction to the fortune database? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 16:20:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B13C37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8BC743E6E for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 29811 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2002 23:13:30 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-3.upnet.gr (HELO hades.hell.gr) (root@150.140.128.251) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 25 Oct 2002 23:13:30 -0000 Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9PNKtLg020930; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:20:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9PNKtRY020929; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:20:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:20:53 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Where do I send fortune(6) corrections? Message-ID: <20021025232053.GB12379@hades.hell.gr> References: <20021025222633.GA19662@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021025222633.GA19662@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-25 23:26, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > I just saw a transcription of a song with a big error. The correction makes > a huge difference. Who would submit the correction to the fortune database? > > NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. A misc/1234 PR would be fine. Someone with appropriate commit privileges will pick it from there. Giorgos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 23:25:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488F37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CCC43E42 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5673F020154; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:25:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:24:41 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: vmware works! Message-Id: <20021025232441.0322ab1b.chip@wiegand.org> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got vmware2 working tonight. Installed win2k in it and it works like expected. Now to just figure out how to set up the ip address and network info so it will see the network. This is pretty cool stuff to play with. I'll have to get some of my sons games to try on it, since there's really nothing else to use it for. :) -- Chip W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 23:43: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1EC37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EB743E65 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gh@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9Q8Kak29506; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:20:38 -0500 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 72E901F2D; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:42:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:42:48 -0500 From: dmk To: Chip Wiegand Cc: "freebsd-chat @ freebsd. org" Subject: Re: vmware works! Message-ID: <20021026064248.GW26092@over-yonder.net> References: <20021025232441.0322ab1b.chip@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021025232441.0322ab1b.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:24:41PM -0700 I heard the voice of Chip Wiegand, and lo! it spake thus: > I got vmware2 working tonight. Installed win2k in it and it works like > expected. Now to just figure out how to set up the ip address and > network info so it will see the network. This is pretty cool stuff to > play with. I'll have to get some of my sons games to try on it, since > there's really nothing else to use it for. :) Do you have it working with a real-time clock (in ports, emulators/rtc)? dan > -- > Chip W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 0:19:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA1637B401 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DBE343E65 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from probe-1035612572-1035616773-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com) X-eGroups-Return: probe-1035612572-1035616773-freebsd-chat=freebsd.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.176] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2002 07:19:33 -0000 Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 2002 07:19:33 -0000 From: Yahoo!Groups Reply-To: confirm-unbounce-1035612572-77923465-5657@yahoogroups.co.uk To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Please reactivate your Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 7:34: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2B237B401 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EC043E75 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g9QDiuO3064640; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from polytarp@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (polytarp@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9QDiuQj064637; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: pgreen To: dsa Cc: board@m-net.arbornet.org, , , YAPP Conference Admin , Ave Am , James Howard , , Jim Daloonik Subject: Re: asd conference. In-Reply-To: <20021026094043.M59654-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> Message-ID: <20021026094221.E64255-100000@m-net.arbornet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes. That would be appopriate. Also, check in policy conference; I am starting a hunger strike against these disgusting, unilateral actions, on part of the staff. On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, dsa wrote: > I would also request that polytarp be made a fairwitness of this > conference. > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, pgreen wrote: > > > User naftee's account has been splated; certainly, now, his new account, > > dsa, must be made an FW? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 15:38:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E613237B401 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD7343E4A for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A96636580108; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:38:30 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:38:14 -0700 From: Chip Wiegand To: dmk Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vmware works! Message-Id: <20021026153814.6eab1a77.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <20021026064248.GW26092@over-yonder.net> References: <20021025232441.0322ab1b.chip@wiegand.org> <20021026064248.GW26092@over-yonder.net> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dmk wrote this stuff on Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:42:48 -0500: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:24:41PM -0700 I heard the voice of > Chip Wiegand, and lo! it spake thus: > > I got vmware2 working tonight. Installed win2k in it and it works > > like expected. Now to just figure out how to set up the ip address > > and network info so it will see the network. This is pretty cool > > stuff to play with. I'll have to get some of my sons games to try on > > it, since there's really nothing else to use it for. :) > > Do you have it working with a real-time clock (in ports, > emulators/rtc)? > > dan > > > -- > > Chip W I'm not familiar with that port, don't have it installed. And for the other question not cc'd to the list, yes, I am using release 4.7. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 19:59:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E9437B401 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tartarus.telenet-ops.be (tartarus.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A94D43E42 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 506AADBE7C for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:59:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from fortuna.home.paeps.cx (D5768732.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.135.50]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103B0DBE37 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:59:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from juno.home.paeps.cx (juno [10.0.0.2]) by fortuna.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E368E76B for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:59:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by juno.home.paeps.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0579A315; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:59:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:59:22 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Verisign, Thawte, Entrust, whom? Message-ID: <20021027025922.GN64676@juno.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <031601c2792f$34e371a0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get yourself a real mail client. Try Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-21 13:25:16 (-0500), Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Well, not to beat a dead horse, but since we've recently chatted about > registrars, who do you like for your SSL certs? I've been using GlobalSign. They happen to be Belgian (used to be called BelSign), and they're cheaper than Thawte or Verisign. For 175 EUR, you can get a nice certificate from them. All browsers I've encountered have the root-certificate built-in too... > I'm setting up my first (blush) and am getting tired of the site hype.... Be different, use a European CA :-) GlobalSign is at . - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't CC me, I am philip@paeps.cx subscribed to the list. If there was any justice in this world, people would occasionally be permitted to fly over pigeons. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message