From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 1:35:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.datanet.hu (mx2.datanet.hu [194.149.13.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00DF37B405 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 01:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-235.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.48.235]) by mx2.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id B7F395A63 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g379ZjS9000840 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g379ZgAk000839 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:35:39 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) Message-ID: <20020407093538.GB539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody, I am getting a bit late into this discussion, but I have a great excuse: I have been sleeping:-) So. I think that splitting up the Handbook would be a good idea. It is getting too large in every respect. (To read, to process, to search, to...:-) Also, a division into a "user's" and "admin's" part seems like a good idea. (On the assumption that the Developers Handbook continues to evolve so as to offer information to those who wish to use FreeBSD as a development platform.) However, I think that before starting wholesale reorganizing the stuff, we should have a clear set of requirements towards the Handbook. What do we want the Handbook to be? During the previous reorg run (in the runup to the 2nd Edition) this requirement was that it had to become more of a print title, with better-looking book output, consistent grammar and style, index, front and backmatter etc. Now, we have to decide what the Handbook (or the books that will make up the series replacing it) will try to cover. First. I think that we should not try to blur the line between users and admins by including admin tasks in the user volume. My reasons: - It is already causing waaay to much trouble when people seriously believe that just because a normal office worker (or home user for that matter) was able to "admin" a Win95/98/ME box all by himself (with sometimes stunning results, see viruses, security patches not applied, chaos because of many installed shareware items etc) they will be able to do same for a UNIX-type system. Or that they should. In my opinion, UNIX-type systems require a real admin or they are worse than your Win 9x box. Especially when they are on a network. This is why when someone asks me if they should consider using ... (subsitute Linux or whatever here) in the office I will be asking them (among others): Will there be some person who will be able to administer the boxen? And this is why I think that UNIX-type OSen will never make it big on a common PC in the home. (Appliances are another matter) - Because admin tasks usually require root. (Case in point: You may be able to to compile packages as a user, in fact I do this all the time, but not install them normally, because at least the pkg database management will require root.) If you have root on a machine, then you are an admin no matter if you at the moment work under a user account (as indeed you should.) In fact, I consider that admins should have at least a non-wheel user account as well because doing certain tasks like browsing, email etc may pose even less risk that way: there are just less system files that a non-wheel user can read, for ex.) So, the User's Guide should be something like the USD used to be way back when: orientated towards users, no more. Of course, I do not think we should waste time describing the stunning games in the base system any more, but you get the idea. The aim of the User's Guide is to help me get work done when I login to a FreeBSD system (possibly remotely) as one of the several users of the system and eg want to read my email, edit my homepage, or write my thesis with LaTeX. (All of which I have done on this system). The Admin's Guide, on the other hand, should be oriented towards admins who are already supposed to know their way around as users, but need to do different job: They may not care at all about X or photo editing or indeed thesis-writing, they need to maintain the system. For this, they need info on kernel recompiles, staying up-to-date, patching for security, staying with the -RELEASE branch if need be, coordinated installworlds from NFS-mounted /usr/obj, diskless systems, scripted installs, cloning possibilities, using hot-swap system components on SCSI and also on ATA, networking, VLANs, etc. Some of this info is at present missing, some in the Handbook and some in the Developers Handbook or elsewhere. And also, there should be a book for programming on FreeBSD, of course, not just for system hackers, but application programmers. Second. We should decide to what extent we want to include third-party packages into the series. Of course, the fact that FreeBSD is more than a kernel(TM) does not make our job easier. Yet, I think that if we start covering eg every major MTA just because not everyone loves sendmail, we will be before long writing a book about Internet Mail which just happens to use FreeBSD as its examples, not a FreeBSD sysadmin book. This would be needless duplication of effort with the documentation of these software packages (it really does not need a book to tell you that, contrary to the defaults, the startup file is installed under /usr/local/etc/rc.d on FreeBSD if you use the ports, but everything else works as described in the vendor docs, eg) and with some fine books from eg O'Reilly that already cover these and more. So I think the series should concentrate on the parts that are FreeBSD specific and make reference to the vendor docs (or even other literature) when appropriate. These are really just my 1st thoughts on the subject, feel free to take them and use them as you see fit, but I think that a similar set of requirements should be drawn up before we go ballistic with slicing up the content. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 3:37:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143FF37B404; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 03:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uA2o-0000pN-00; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:37:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:37:10 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Removing "try and " from the docs Message-ID: <20020407103710.GA3018@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20020404133226.GA8872@hades.hell.gr> <20020404143819.GB8766@submonkey.net> <20020406180122.GB8722@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020406180122.GB8722@hades.hell.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 09:01:22PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-04-04 15:38, Ceri wrote: > > Also, I'm not convinced that the handbook is "beautiful" :) > > That was meant to mean "aesthetically pleasing" so I might change it > to that, if it looks better that way. Cool. I don't have a major issue with "beautiful" if you do want to use that though. > > > --- en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/structure/chapter.sgml 26 Mar 2002 22:31:55 -0000 1.10 > > > +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/structure/chapter.sgml 3 Apr 2002 22:22:35 -0000 > > > Same problem here that I have with the emacs one above. > > Well, I'll leave this one out. This paragraph needs a rewrite to make > it appear like something meaningful. Merely substituting "try and > -> try to " won't solve any problems here. Agreed. > > > Index: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics/chapter.sgml > > > =================================================================== > > > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics/chapter.sgml,v > > > retrieving revision 1.59 > > > diff -u -r1.59 chapter.sgml > > > --- en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics/chapter.sgml 26 Mar 2002 23:37:38 -0000 1.59 > > > +++ en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/basics/chapter.sgml 3 Apr 2002 22:23:39 -0000 > > > @@ -890,7 +890,7 @@ > > > send—some of them have a specific meaning, others are interpreted > > > by the application, and the application's documentation will tell you > > > how that application interprets signals. You can only send a signal to > > > - a process that you own. If you try and send a signal to someone else's > > > + a process that you own. If you send a signal to someone else's > > > process it will be ignored. The exception to this is the > > > > Slightly bigger problem here. > > If you try to send a signal to someone else's process your attempt will fail > > with EPERM, as opposed to being ignored. > > This is the only one that I'd definitely want to see fixed, the others are > > just MHO. > > I was thinking of that too. Referring to errors like EPERM in the > "basics" chapter somehow seems like an overkill though. But I guess > it's ok, since kill(1) or kill(2) will fail with EPERM. So we might > just refer to these two here with something like: > > If you send a signal to someone else's > process with &man.kill.1; or &man.kill.2; it will fail with > EPERM, since you are not permitted to signal processes of other > users. The exception to this is the ... If simpler terms would be better (and I agree that they probably would), it might be preferable to simply say that "permission will be denied" or similar. > Thanks Ceri, > a very useful review. No, thank you for doing the donkey work :) Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 3:56:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A814237B417 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 03:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uALe-000986-00; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:56:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:56:38 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Benny Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook NFS Message-ID: <20020407105638.GC3018@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Benny , doc@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 09:25:49PM +0000, Benny wrote: > Hello! Hi Benny, > I'm not quite sure about this but I think there is a mistake in 17.4 NFS > Documentation. > > "The following /etc/exports would be valid: > > /usr/src client > /usr/ports client > > One filesystem, /usr, has two lines specifying exports to the same host, > client. The correct format for this situation is: > > /usr/src /usr/ports client" > > Shouldn't it be "INvalid", because the state underneath is wrong?! Otherwise > it doesn't make sense, does it? Good catch. Thanks very much. > PS If I'm wrong, sorry for bothering you. Even if you had been wrong, personally I'd rather have you tell us that you perceived a problem anyway, just in case. Thanks again, Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 4:40: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF05A37B417 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g37Be1l52399; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [193.124.215.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8D37B419 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 04:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from regency.nsu.ru ([193.124.210.26]) by mail.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16uAzh-0005e9-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:38:01 +0700 Received: (from danfe@localhost) by regency.nsu.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g37Bclj61286; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:38:47 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from danfe) Message-Id: <200204071138.g37Bclj61286@regency.nsu.ru> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:38:47 +0700 (NOVST) From: Alexey Dokuchaev Reply-To: Alexey Dokuchaev To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/36844: Wrong link to top logo on Russian WWW (data/ru/index.html) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 36844 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Wrong link to top logo on Russian WWW (data/ru/index.html) >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Apr 07 04:40:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexey Dokuchaev >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Organization: CNIT NSU >Environment: System: FreeBSD regency.nsu.ru 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Wed Mar 20 18:57:15 NOVT 2002 root@regency.nsu.ru:/usr/src/sys/compile/REGENCY i386 >Description: Russian translation of WWW data of www.freebsd.org does not point correctly to top logo picture (The Power To Serve), and thus renders webpage not so pretty as it should be. You can check out on what's going on at http://freebsd.nsu.ru/data/ru/index.html. These are vanilla installed WWW data from CVSup. >How-To-Repeat: Just go to http://freebsd.nsu.ru/data/ru/index.html and see. >Fix: I think you'll figure it out ;-) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 4:44:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712D737B417 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 04:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uB5u-000KbK-00; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:44:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:44:26 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Andrew Boothman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ Message-ID: <20020407114426.GA79039@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Andrew Boothman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> <20020405114723.767d28c9.darklogik@pittgoth.com> <20020405164306.GA35109@submonkey.net> <20020405120838.0c274492.darklogik@pittgoth.com> <20020406142437.GA52191@submonkey.net> <3CAF327E.6010001@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CAF327E.6010001@cream.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 06:38:06PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > Ceri Davies wrote: > >Now it's a slightly fine grained point, maybe, but there's certainly a > >difference. It may be slightly easier to just say something like : > > > >"As required by RFC 2822, your announced hostname must resolve." > > I think you should mention the fact that it is the hostname announced in > the HELO command that is the problem in this case. > > I had exactly the same problem with mail being sent from one of my > systems because it was using an internal hostname in its HELO command. > The fix was simple enough, but I needed to know it was the HELO command > that caused the problem so that I could alter that part of my MTA's > config. I got that info from my maillog in the end, but it would be > helpful if it was in the FAQ. In that case, I think the patch I originally posted might be OK. Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 4:55:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E9537B405 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 04:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uBGc-000Kf8-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:55:30 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:55:30 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ Message-ID: <20020407115530.GA79270@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's the latest incarnation of the patch. I think it's the best I can do without getting overly technical here. Ceri --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml.old Sun Apr 7 12:42:38 2002 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml Sun Apr 7 12:50:36 2002 @@ -11186,6 +11186,27 @@ option. In this case, relay your email through your service provider's mail server. + + + The hostname given in the EHLO/HELO part of the SMTP + exchange cannot be resolved to an IP address. + + A fully qualified, resolvable host name is necessary + in this part of the SMTP dialogue before mail will be + accepted. If you do not have a host name that is registered + in the DNS, then you should use your service provider's mail + server to relay your mail. + + + + Your message had a message ID ending with the string + localhost. + + Some mail user agents generate bad message IDs which will + not be accepted. You will need to persuade your mail user + agent to generate a valid message ID or else configure your + mail transfer agent to rewrite them. + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 7:45:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.datanet.hu (mx1.datanet.hu [194.149.13.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CDF37B417 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-235.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.48.235]) by mx1.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id F1234F9A3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37EjKS9078964 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:45:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g37EjJOY078963 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:45:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:45:18 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor nit re advocacy/myths.html Message-ID: <20020407144518.GC539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020406183502.GA5126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020406163654.3bf80683.darklogik@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020406163654.3bf80683.darklogik@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:36:54PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:35:02 +0200 > Szilveszter Adam wrote: > > Your fine Adam, i've cached this, and hopefully I can do something > with this on Monday ;) Thanks alot though for pointing this out, if > you want to, you can change it to Mozilla, otherwise, i'll grab it > Monday hehe... Okay, here is a patch. What do you say? Index: myths.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/ncvs/freebsd//www/en/advocacy/myths.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 myths.sgml --- myths.sgml 4 Apr 2002 22:01:02 -0000 1.1 +++ myths.sgml 7 Apr 2002 14:42:49 -0000 @@ -322,9 +322,9 @@ few, if any, problems.

As a historical note, the first version of Netscape Navigator that ran - on FreeBSD with Java support was the Linux version. Now, of course, - Netscape have produced a FreeBSD native binary (and have done for some - time).

+ on FreeBSD with Java support was the Linux version. Now you can + also use a native FreeBSD version of Mozilla with a native Java + plugin, all compiled conveniently from the ports!


-- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 8:40: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CE537B416; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 08:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uElw-000157-00; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:40:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:40:04 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: murray@FreeBSD.org Subject: RFC: FAQ and , first 3 chapters done Message-ID: <20020407154004.GA3990@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org, murray@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've finally got some of the FAQ wrapped up in - the first 3 chapters to be exact. Patch is at http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.first3.diff for your review. Nothing is done with these at the moment; when I'm finished doing the whole document I'll look at getting them actually used, which I think is as simple as defining HAS_INDEX in the Makefile, though I'm not sure at the moment. Any and all comments will be gratefully received (although I'm going offline now until tomorrow, so don't expect a speedy response). Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 10:35:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mars.wanadoo.fr (ca-ol-sqy-24-99.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.8.61.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A266537B404 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dak@localhost) by mars.wanadoo.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g37HYWe00509 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:34:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dak) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:34:32 +0200 From: dak To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: UFS doc Message-ID: <20020407173432.GA472@mars.WorkGroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Where can I find a complete and technical doc on UFS please ? -- dak To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 11:41:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5A637B404 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA6EBD10; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10426; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:41:27 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g37IfSL79128; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ References: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> <20020407115530.GA79270@submonkey.net> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 07 Apr 2002 11:41:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020407115530.GA79270@submonkey.net> Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ceri Davies writes: > + Some mail user agents generate bad message IDs which will > + not be accepted. You will need to persuade your mail user > + agent to generate a valid message ID or else configure your > + mail transfer agent to rewrite them. The answer should also have: In the FreeBSD.org mailing list system, the definition of "valid" for the message ID and other mail headers is an arbitrary definition which is different than those found in IETF RFCs and which is subject to change without notice before or after the change. I'd suggest an easy way to get around that strange message ID filter without messing with the mail software or changing the local host name, but I'm afraid it would just result in a tightening of the filter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 12:10:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384F37B417 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b192.otenet.gr [212.205.244.200]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37JA32a014960; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:10:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37JARGI009806; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:10:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g37J8bJF009786; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:08:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:08:37 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) Message-ID: <20020407190837.GA9589@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> <20020407093538.GB539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020407093538.GB539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-04-07 11:35, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > I think that splitting up the Handbook would be a good idea. It is > getting too large in every respect. (To read, to process, to search, > to...:-) Also, a division into a "user's" and "admin's" part seems like > a good idea. (On the assumption that the Developers Handbook continues > to evolve so as to offer information to those who wish to use FreeBSD as > a development platform.) You have put this in words better than I did. This was my assumption, that I did not write. That the Handbooks will be separated based on who the target of each part will be. There is another thing I was contemplating today. There are roughly two types of system administrators. The first is a newbie in Unix administration and needs a "tutorial" more than a "reference". The second one can be provided for the experienced system administrator by the system manpages, and other online documentation. It is the former that we should target. > [snip, good points made about defining content of parts before splitting] A quick browsing of the contents of both the Handbook and the Developer Handbook contents suggests that there are parts that can split off to one of the three major categories of users: - System Administrators advanced-networking, backups, basics, bibliography, boot, config, contrib, cutting edge, disks, install, introduction, kernelconfig, kernelopts, l10n, linuxemu, mail, mirrors, pgpkeys, ports, ppp-and-slip, preface, printing, security, serialcomms, sound, users, x11. - FreeBSD users basics, bibliography, contrib, disks, eresources, introduction, ports, preface, printing, security, sound, x11. - FreeBSD developers (developer-handbook) developing software on FreeBSD, developing software *for* FreeBSD (including handbook/policies). I've deliberately copied names sections of the Handbooks to more than one section, to show that parts of that section are more interesting to administrators, while other parts are needed by users that configure their ${HOME} stuff. This separation makes obvious yet another fact. Our existing documentation has many parts that are helpful to administrators, but less parts that a user of FreeBSD (who simply uses FreeBSD to get work done). We'll probably need to expand on the user part of the documentation a bit. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 12:24:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6937E37B400; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g37Fc9k30827; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:09 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) Message-ID: <20020407163809.R30474@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> <20020406231126.GP5732@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JB7KW7Ey7eB5HOHs" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020406231126.GP5732@freebsdmall.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 03:11:26PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --JB7KW7Ey7eB5HOHs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 03:11:26PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 01:17:09AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > This is hard to search though. It's difficult for a newcomer to find h= is > > way around in this huge document. It is time, I think to separate the > > Handbook in smaller parts. The main thing that I was thinking about is= how >=20 > It's been time for over 4 years, we've just never identified the > first concrete step to move in that direction. Each chapter becomes its own book, with a copy of the content in the existing Preface as its own Preface. Pretty much. > I think that the 3rd printed edition (which I've obviously been > doing some initial planning for) should be split into two books along > these lines. I was planning on a "User's Guide" and an > "Administrator's Guide". If the FreeBSD Documentation Project makes > further subdivisions into smaller books, they can be mapped into these > two categories for print publication purposes. A collection of > smaller books is not practical for U.S. retail shelves, although if > done right it can make online browsing easier. For print, you want the DocBook element. ... ... ... ... *or* some XSLT stylesheets that can maps the to a , the s to s, and so on. Eventually, the "FreeBSD Handbook" becomes the "FreeBSD Bookshelf". Now, if I could just get funding :-) N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --JB7KW7Ey7eB5HOHs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjywZ+AACgkQk6gHZCw343UFuwCfW/XfADXilqJk2PXIo6oB6ZZO flsAn3ZmhbDAk+s+tNl/PCJmSF4jrt16 =gLnb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JB7KW7Ey7eB5HOHs-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 13:56:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D94537B44B for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b215.otenet.gr [212.205.244.223]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37Kuh2a009954; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:56:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g37KugGI011546; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:56:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g37Kug2u011541; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:56:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:56:42 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) Message-ID: <20020407205642.GB10513@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> <20020407093538.GB539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020407190837.GA9589@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020407190837.GA9589@hades.hell.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-04-07 22:08, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > This separation makes obvious yet > another fact. Our existing documentation has many parts that are > helpful to administrators, but less parts that a user of FreeBSD (who > simply uses FreeBSD to get work done). ^^ can find interesting. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 15:27:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627FC37B41D; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3995E4B669; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:27:37 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org, murray@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: FAQ and , first 3 chapters done Message-ID: <20020407222737.GY8008@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020407154004.GA3990@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020407154004.GA3990@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:40:04PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > I've finally got some of the FAQ wrapped up in - the first > 3 chapters to be exact. Looks good.. * U.S. English spelling, please ;) s/s/z/ "customising" * Here, I would just make IBM Thinkpad a primary indexterm. Installation IBM Thinkpad - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 16:38:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A6937B416; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA84FBD96; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13091; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:12 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g37NcCm82626; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Giorgos Keramidas , Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 07 Apr 2002 16:38:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: Lines: 160 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This discusses the organization of FreeBSD documentation, but is mostly limited to comments on the reorganization of Books. (I have more to add to the outline, but I'll save it for smaller messages.) This is off the top of my head (about two hours deep) and that shows in the form of incompleteness and loose writing, but I hope it's helpful anyway. If it's too long for you, just take a look at sections 1.2 and 2.3. "Publish", below, refers only to the paper form, not electronic forms. 1. FreeBSD documentation: 1.1. Division (better documented elsewhere): -- Manuals (AKA Manual Pages). -- FreeBSD.org WWW-only pages. -- Books, including the FAQ-on-all-subjects. -- Articles -- Mailing list archives -- External WWW and FTP sites, including Indexes, HOWTOs, e-mag articles, tips, etc. 1.2. Cross-referencing of documentation: This is an issue that should be resolved and documented (probably with the involvement of "core"). Obviously, all documents reference the manuals, but to what extent, if any, do manuals reference other docs and do other docs reference each other. And how do they reference each other. By freebsd.org URL? file:/usr/share/... URL? Chapter, Section, Sub-section Title? There are very important work-hour implications from decisions on this topic, mostly because of maintenance issues. This has a connection to the subject of documentation division also. Does it make sense to have articles which may not be referenced by the books, for example (and assuming that there is any such restriction)? 1.3 Standards and related issues: The FPD Primer has what exists. FDP should probably document how standards are established and changed, reasons for level of detail, etc. 2. Books: 2.1. Purpose of books. The FDP should document why it's organized much of the documentation in the form of books. The following are important considerations with the third being the determining factor. Most (or all) of the detail on these considerations is contained in other sections of this message. 2.1.1 The goals and desires of the publisher in the absence of the FDP. To sell books. The books should contain considerable duplication so that they are stand-alone for the purposes of satisfying the customer who buys one book. Some subjects are just too esoteric to be worth- while to publish. 2.1.2 The goals and desires of the FDP in the absence of the publisher. No reason for books, really. A bunch of sections or articles would do just fine. Duplication should be almost nil. The info should be targeted at nobody in particular except the person interested in the specifically-indentified subject matter. No subject is too esoteric as long as there is someone who wants to write about it. 2.1.3 The goals and desires of the FDP in the presence of the publisher. There are several reasons that the FDP should accommodate the publisher except in rare instances. -- The two groups help each other. (It would help some justify work on mostly-publisher-helpful work (mostly duplication for differently- targeted books), to know how much help flowed from the publisher.) -- Some FDP people will be using the published books. (I doubt if I will. I wonder what the ratio is.) -- All FDP people should want to see good FreeBSD books available. The troublesome issues probably are: -- How much duplication is the FDP willing to create and maintain? -- The referencing of non-published docs in published docs. (Is there a technological solution to this one? Is it already in place?) -- (This should be a troublesome issue, but apparently isn't:) Who owns the documentation and related matters and how is it documented? 2.2. Size of Books. For non-publishing purposes, it doesn't matter enough to worry about. Most access is by sub-sections or collections of those which have no practical size restrictions. For the same and more obvious reasons, the FDP should adapt to the needs of the publisher regarding the size of the books. I suppose this is somewhere around 400-500 pages for basics books and 500-600 for advanced books. 2.3. Book content divisions: basics/advanced server/workstation user/sys_admin subject-related books (eg, Mailing, Developing) The publisher would probably prefer the basics/advanced division with the overflow of the first going into the second and the overflow of the second being omitted or existing only in the electronic version. The server/workstation and user/sys_admin divisions would be reasonable ones for a purchaser of books and so maybe for a publisher too, but the amount of duplication that should be a part of such books renders this unacceptable for the FDP, since there are reasonable alternatives. And despite the duplication, most people would need both books anyway. :( The publisher might be benefited from an assumption that 99% purchasers will need or want to buy both books. The straightforward method would be to simply have Vols I&II, arranged simple order like most-often needed for reference and least-often needed (like installation stuff and advanced stuff), but I suspect that publishers don't think this way and would prefer a division in which they can at least pretend that some customers can get by with only one book. The ideal division from the buyer's POV would be by about three levels of expertise, but that involves too much duplication to be practical. I think the best practical scheme is to have three books: -- Stuff you might need to know before, during, and just after installation. (At the newbie level of OS refugees. With Unix intro.) -- Stuff you need to know from day to day, including standard and/or common applications. (At moderately advanced level.) -- Stuff you rarely need to know, including uncommon applications. (Same level as second book.) But "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey serves the purpose of the first adequately enough so that the FDP should be satisfied with the kludge of merging newbie-level intro stuff with more advanced stuff that's simply standard or common, to accommodate both publishers. 2.4. Transistion plans. Big split or breaking out pieces? 2.5. Level of detail. This should be handled by having (sub)sections which have content which is too detailed or too advanced or too crude for publishing segregate that information out into a specially-marked subsection which is only part of the electronic version. This would sometimes require extra writing of introductions to the topic so the published version doesn't look incomplete, but usually the introduction would be needed anyway. 3. More topics which have been (and will be) discussed: -- searching; methods, tools -- indexing and tabling of content; -- relationship of articles to other documents; -- relationship of manuals to other documents; -- Special books like Developers Guide, ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 17: 5:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995837B405 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5BDDBDA3; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18919; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:05:46 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g3805kV82954; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting the Handbook? (was: [a couple of new doc PRs]) References: <20020404062954.6607E2E827@mail.freebsdmall.com> <20020406221709.GA1181@hades.hell.gr> <20020407093538.GB539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020407190837.GA9589@hades.hell.gr> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 07 Apr 2002 17:05:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020407190837.GA9589@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas writes: > - FreeBSD users > basics, bibliography, contrib, disks, eresources, > introduction, ports, preface, printing, security, > sound, x11. The number of FreeBSD users who are not also FreeBSD sysadmins (if only there own sys) is too small to be worthy of an FDP effort to target them. The nearly-mythical User should be always on our minds, but we should pretend that all Users are also System Administrators and Network Administrators; we should only target their expertise or their choice of software (eg, FreeBSD base, other common software, uncommon software). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 17:35:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0154B37B416 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c6.depaul-inst.pittsburgh.pa.us [192.168.1.6]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g380Z8620806; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:35:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:43:00 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor nit re advocacy/myths.html Message-Id: <20020407204300.71042391.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <20020407144518.GC539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> References: <20020406183502.GA5126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020406163654.3bf80683.darklogik@pittgoth.com> <20020407144518.GC539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:45:18 +0200 Szilveszter Adam wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:36:54PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 20:35:02 +0200 > > Szilveszter Adam wrote: > > > > Your fine Adam, i've cached this, and hopefully I can do something > > with this on Monday ;) Thanks alot though for pointing this out, > > if you want to, you can change it to Mozilla, otherwise, i'll grab > > it Monday hehe... > > Okay, here is a patch. What do you say? > I say ``By all means, commit! Saves me time, plus I won't need to pester my mentor about it ;) Thanks alot!'' > > -- > Regards: > > Szilveszter ADAM > Szombathely Hungary > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 7 19: 8:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (adsl-67-113-12-90.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.113.12.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4838437B405 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3828KZ76811 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK) for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (nospam@localhost [::1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3828K762576 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3CB0FB94.3060308@quack.kfu.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:08:20 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020312 X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: suggestion: handbook 17.14: Basic IPv6 setup using 6to4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I nominate this block of text: Anyone with a single static IPv4 address can set up a machine to act as an IPv6 router using 6to4. With such a setup, it is possible for up to 65,536 networks of 2^64 machines to be given globally reachable IPv6 addresses reached through such a gateway. All one needs to do is add a few short lines to rc.conf. [insert a short primer on IPv6 here] 6to4 is a special transition mechanism to make it easier for isolated LANs running IPv6 to be able to reach each other. All users of 6to4 can communicate with each other without doing anything special other than setting up a 6to4 router at each location. 6to4 works by making special "magic" IPv6 prefixes. These prefixes consist of a 16 bit constant, which is 2002::/16 followed by the 32 bit IPv4 address of the 6to4 router for that node. By including that in the prefix, it is immediately clear how to route the replies back to their origin - you simply encapsulate the replies in IPv4 packets addressed to the IPv4 address in the prefix. For example, if a network had a 6to4 router at 10.0.0.1 (it wouldn't, since that address is not routable on IPv4, but bear with me), then its coresponding 6to4 prefix would be 2002:a00:1::/48. If it had a host at 2002:a00:1::1, then traffic addressed to that machine would be encapsulated in packets addressed to 10.0.0.1, which would get them to the 6to4 router. Q.E.D. The one wrinkle is that 6to4 does not describe how 6to4 equipped hosts can reach non-6to4 IPv6 destinations. Fortunately, RFC 3068 addresses this. To make a long story short, 6to4 nodes need only set their default route to the special address 2002:c058:6301:: and the traffic will get to any globally routable IPv6 address regardless of whether or not it is in 6to4 space. On the machine designated as the 6to4 router, you will need to set up stf0, which will be the interface used to send out the IPv6-in-IPv4 encapsulated packets. You'll need to add the following to your kernel configuration file, if it's not already there: options INET6 pseudo-device stf 1 Having done that, you can add the following lines to your rc.conf file: ipv6_enable="YES" ipv6_network_interfaces="auto" ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" ipv6_prefix_nn0="2002:xxxx:xxxx:0" # see below stf_interface_ipv4addr="xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" # Put your IPv4 address here ipv6_defaultrouter="2002:c058:6301::" The ipv6_prefix line should have "nn0" changed to the name of your Ethernet card (additional lines can be added if you are serving multiple networks). The xxxx:xxxx should be changed to the hexidecimal representation of the same IPv4 address that is in the stf_interface_ipv4addr line. Having done that (and rebooted), you should find that you can reach IPv6 hosts from the 6to4 router. If you have hosts connected to the LAN which you'd like to use IPv6 as well, your next step is to configure them. This is easier. Put this in rc.conf: ipv6_enable="YES" That's all (well, they will also need "options INET6" in their kernel config). They will use IPv6 router discovery to find the 6to4 router and get all the information they need. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 0:48: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B535437B416 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uTsZ-0001Kv-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:47:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:47:55 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ Message-ID: <20020408074755.GA4830@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Gary W. Swearingen" , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020405155943.GA25988@submonkey.net> <20020407115530.GA79270@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 11:41:28AM -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Ceri Davies writes: > > > + Some mail user agents generate bad message IDs which will > > + not be accepted. You will need to persuade your mail user > > + agent to generate a valid message ID or else configure your > > + mail transfer agent to rewrite them. > > The answer should also have: > > In the FreeBSD.org mailing list system, the definition of "valid" > for the message ID and other mail headers is an arbitrary definition > which is different than those found in IETF RFCs and which is subject to > change without notice before or after the change. Well that's a matter of interpretation. I'd say that using @localhost in your message ID is simply making yourself far more likely to violate this piece of RFC2822 : The message identifier (msg-id) itself MUST be a globally unique identifier for a message. The generator of the message identifier MUST guarantee that the msg-id is unique. But then, as I said, that's just my interpretation. Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 1:56:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1758037B422; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g388u1J31865; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204080856.g388u1J31865@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nhjansen@xs4all.nl, asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36737: Man page/implementation inconsitency of diff -U Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Man page/implementation inconsitency of diff -U State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: asmodai State-Changed-When: Mon Apr 8 01:55:45 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: This can be closed, as requested by originator. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36737 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 2: 4: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meta.lo-res.org (meta.lo-res.org [195.58.189.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD9037B417 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (chillig.lo-res.org [62.116.8.4]) by meta.lo-res.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3893qRe008221; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:03:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from aaron@lo-res.org) Message-Id: <200204080903.g3893qRe008221@meta.lo-res.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: aaron To: Nick Sayer , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: suggestion: handbook 17.14: Basic IPv6 setup using 6to4 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:03:52 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3CB0FB94.3060308@quack.kfu.com> In-Reply-To: <3CB0FB94.3060308@quack.kfu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 08 April 2002 04:08, Nick Sayer wrote: Hi nick! Hi list! I have been working (as time permitted) on the IPv6 chapter. How about mergeing our texts? I have a IPv6 primer more or less ready. So in other words: would it be ok for you If I included your 6to4 section? This would give us (in total) the following sections: * intro to IPv6 & brief history * Background on IPv6 addresses * How to connect to the 6bone * How to connect via 6to4 * How to connect via freent6 * DNS in IPv6 - still missing a section on mobileIP + IPv6 (is this working?) I could finish it by today evening (local time :) greetings, aaron. > I nominate this block of text: > > > Anyone with a single static IPv4 address can set up a machine to act as > an IPv6 router using 6to4. With such a setup, it is possible for up to > 65,536 networks of 2^64 machines to be given globally reachable IPv6 > addresses reached through such a gateway. All one needs to do is add a > few short lines to rc.conf. > > [insert a short primer on IPv6 here] > > 6to4 is a special transition mechanism to make it easier for isolated > LANs running IPv6 to be able to reach each other. All users of 6to4 can > communicate with each other without doing anything special other than > setting up a 6to4 router at each location. 6to4 works by making special > "magic" IPv6 prefixes. These prefixes consist of a 16 bit constant, > which is 2002::/16 followed by the 32 bit IPv4 address of the 6to4 > router for that node. By including that in the prefix, it is immediately > clear how to route the replies back to their origin - you simply > encapsulate the replies in IPv4 packets addressed to the IPv4 address in > the prefix. For example, if a network had a 6to4 router at 10.0.0.1 (it > wouldn't, since that address is not routable on IPv4, but bear with me), > then its coresponding 6to4 prefix would be 2002:a00:1::/48. If it had a > host at 2002:a00:1::1, then traffic addressed to that machine would be > encapsulated in packets addressed to 10.0.0.1, which would get them to > the 6to4 router. Q.E.D. > > The one wrinkle is that 6to4 does not describe how 6to4 equipped hosts > can reach non-6to4 IPv6 destinations. Fortunately, RFC 3068 addresses > this. To make a long story short, 6to4 nodes need only set their default > route to the special address 2002:c058:6301:: and the traffic will get > to any globally routable IPv6 address regardless of whether or not it is > in 6to4 space. > > On the machine designated as the 6to4 router, you will need to set up > stf0, which will be the interface used to send out the IPv6-in-IPv4 > encapsulated packets. You'll need to add the following to your kernel > configuration file, if it's not already there: > > options > INET6 > pseudo-device > stf > 1 > > Having done that, you can add the following lines to your rc.conf file: > > ipv6_enable="YES" > ipv6_network_interfaces="auto" > ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" > ipv6_prefix_nn0="2002:xxxx:xxxx:0" > # see below > stf_interface_ipv4addr="xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" > # Put your IPv4 address here > ipv6_defaultrouter="2002:c058:6301::" > > The ipv6_prefix line should have "nn0" changed to the name of your > Ethernet card (additional lines can be added if you are serving multiple > networks). The xxxx:xxxx should be changed to the hexidecimal > representation of the same IPv4 address that is in the > stf_interface_ipv4addr line. > > Having done that (and rebooted), you should find that you can reach IPv6 > hosts from the 6to4 router. > > If you have hosts connected to the LAN which you'd like to use IPv6 as > well, your next step is to configure them. This is easier. Put this in > rc.conf: > > ipv6_enable="YES" > > That's all (well, they will also need "options INET6" in their kernel > config). They will use IPv6 router discovery to find the 6to4 router and > get all the information they need. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- If time heals all wounds, how come the belly button stays the same? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 3:46:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E9B37B417; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 03:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uWfK-0001kq-00; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:46:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:46:26 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: FAQ and , first 3 chapters done Message-ID: <20020408104626.GA6579@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20020407154004.GA3990@submonkey.net> <20020407222737.GY8008@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020407222737.GY8008@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:27:37PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:40:04PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > I've finally got some of the FAQ wrapped up in - the first > > 3 chapters to be exact. > > Looks good.. Thanks. > * U.S. English spelling, please ;) s/s/z/ > > "customising" "customising" ?? I don't think that will build, heh ;^) Seriously though, point taken: will fix. > * Here, I would just make IBM Thinkpad a primary indexterm. > > > Installation > IBM Thinkpad > Yes, that makes sense to me too. Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 5:47:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4E537B404 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 05:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host213-1-180-86.btinternet.com ([213.1.180.86] helo=e2f5x4) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16uEy6-00051t-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:52:38 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Lance Adam-Croft" To: Subject: Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regards Lance Adam-Croft www.rackspace-europe.com ________________________________________ Internet Commerce Consultancy and Secure Hosting and Web Development "Your secure hosting partner in the virtual world" The Secure development Solution working alongside hackers, reverse engineers, digital audio experts, cryptographers and new media developers. ============================================ info www.rackspace-europe.com email lcroft@rackspace-europe.com tel 07815-877370 (voice mail 24hrs) The Rackspace-Europe Group The Development Centre, Unit 1b, 24 Brunswick Square, Hove, Great Britain, BN3 1EJ "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." ~unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 7:38:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (www.freebsdmall.com [66.220.2.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B349B37B400 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2135) id A3DA72E827; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A143F2AA41; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 07:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee X-X-Sender: To: Ceri Davies Cc: Subject: Re: RFC: Change to "why does my mail to FreeBSD.org bounce" FAQ In-Reply-To: <20020408074755.GA4830@submonkey.net> Message-ID: <20020408072228.F43602-100000@www.freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's very early in the morning, so I'll try to add to this discussion as best as I can. hub.freebsd.org implements some of Postfix's stricter client checks for mail it receives. The hostname in the EHLO/HELO command must merely exist, it does not necessarily have to match the client's IP address. I've ran into on a few occasions, mailservers that have forward DNS but no reverse DNS entries. Clients/mailservers with this condition will be denied by hub.freebsd.org. hub.freebsd.org will reject: * HELO/EHLO command with bad syntax * HELO/EHLO not in FQDN form * HELO/EHLO hostname without DNS A or MX record * Client hostname is unknown (will not reverse resolve) * MAIL FROM domain without DNS A or MX record * MAIL FROM not in FQDN form Hopefully that sheds some more light :) - chern On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 11:41:28AM -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > > Ceri Davies writes: > > > > > + Some mail user agents generate bad message IDs which will > > > + not be accepted. You will need to persuade your mail user > > > + agent to generate a valid message ID or else configure your > > > + mail transfer agent to rewrite them. > > > > The answer should also have: > > > > In the FreeBSD.org mailing list system, the definition of "valid" > > for the message ID and other mail headers is an arbitrary definition > > which is different than those found in IETF RFCs and which is subject to > > change without notice before or after the change. > > Well that's a matter of interpretation. > I'd say that using @localhost in your message ID is simply making yourself > far more likely to violate this piece of RFC2822 : > > The message identifier (msg-id) itself MUST be a globally unique > identifier for a message. The generator of the message identifier > MUST guarantee that the msg-id is unique. > > But then, as I said, that's just my interpretation. > > Ceri > > -- > get the cool shoe shine > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 11: 2:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2F637B420 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g38I1KX93421 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204081801.g38I1KX93421@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/09] docs/35723 doc le(4) page doesn't warn about likely syst 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R o [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/09] docs/35724 doc www; Handbook missing link to important H o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/03/30] docs/36563 doc fdisk(8) program doesn't honor -t (test) o [2002/04/01] docs/36642 doc 4.5 man page on ipfw new option limit is o [2002/04/04] docs/36773 doc Unclear/inconsistent instructions in Hand o [2002/04/05] docs/36796 doc make release fails because of revision 1. o [2002/04/07] docs/36844 doc Wrong link to top logo on Russian WWW (da 12 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. s [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/06/06] docs/27915 doc man 5 passwd does not properly explain th o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/22] docs/29143 doc List of man pages that need to be written o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP f [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/13] docs/30556 doc vnconfig man page incorrect; functionalit o [2001/09/24] docs/30809 doc fdisk(8) cleanup o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect a [2001/10/14] docs/31271 doc rl(4) discourages vender openness by disp o [2001/10/30] docs/31640 doc Avoiding uppercase program names in manpa o [2001/10/30] docs/31653 doc Chapter 14 of the Handbook lacks content o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables a [2001/11/16] docs/32041 doc Add point about net.inet.tcp.portange.{fi o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output o [2001/12/03] docs/32468 doc broken link in handbook: sysutils/mkisofs s [2001/12/07] docs/32578 doc A _really_ petty change to the front page o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2001/12/30] docs/33354 doc no rsync section in mirror chapter of the o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/01/20] docs/34088 doc a.out(5) fails to explain what bss is o [2002/01/24] docs/34234 doc restore(8) man page doesn't explain rrest o [2002/01/24] docs/34239 doc tunefs(8) man page doesn't describe argum o [2002/01/24] docs/34248 doc dump(8) man page block/record/other clari o [2002/02/01] docs/34529 doc [patch] Grammar nits in usbd.conf(5) and o [2002/02/03] docs/34577 doc Some man pages still advise using "confli o [2002/02/04] docs/34626 doc Copyright on "Index of /mail/current" pag o [2002/02/05] docs/34654 doc Update UIDs for porters handbook o [2002/02/08] docs/34743 doc nfsd(8) lacking signal explanation o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/24] docs/35280 doc [PATCH] null-modem cable pinout in 'Seria o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/02/26] docs/35345 doc Restore old yacc documentation o [2002/02/27] docs/35378 doc Handbook has inaccurate description of f o [2002/02/28] docs/35436 doc PAO isn't very latest-and-greatest these o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35603 doc grep(1) page is missing info on zfgrep, z o [2002/03/06] docs/35605 doc chmod(1) page misleads by use of "regardl o [2002/03/06] docs/35606 doc date(1) page doesn't say which clock(s) i o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35610 doc sscanf(3) page has obsolete "this release o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/07] docs/35649 doc mount_smbfs(8) page: "See ./examples/dot. o [2002/03/07] docs/35651 doc mount(8) man page contains references to o [2002/03/07] docs/35652 doc bsd.README seriously obsolete o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/08] docs/35688 doc fdisk(8) page extraneous "being", etc. o [2002/03/08] docs/35696 doc mount_smbfs(8) references a nonexistent n o [2002/03/09] docs/35711 doc the "gnats page" should move to its own s o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/12] docs/35823 doc [PATCH] Little Restructuring of the Devel o [2002/03/15] docs/35932 doc Insufficient description of ``log_in_vain o [2002/03/15] docs/35939 doc ipfw(8) needs explicit statement about no o [2002/03/15] docs/35941 doc cd(4) manual doesn't mention "target" use o [2002/03/15] docs/35942 doc at(1) manual doesn't describe at.allow an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35944 doc cd(9) manual refers to non-existent scsic o [2002/03/15] docs/35947 doc disklabel(8) manual missing "2" in exampl o [2002/03/15] docs/35948 doc disklabel(8) manual uses archaic "pack" a o [2002/03/15] docs/35949 doc [PATCH] rtprio(1) man page uses incorrect o [2002/03/15] docs/35951 doc disklabel(8) manual confuses partitions a o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/15] docs/35967 doc rc.conf(5) manual missing "dumpdir" and " o [2002/03/18] docs/36055 doc [PATCH] adding some help-yourself-info to o [2002/03/27] docs/36377 doc kernel path needs to be changed in -curre o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin o [2002/03/28] docs/36456 doc csh(1) manual references wrong "signal.h" o [2002/03/28] docs/36459 doc tftp(1) manual's "get" syntax/description o [2002/03/28] docs/36464 doc diff(1) manual doesn't explain "=format". o [2002/03/28] docs/36467 doc ed(4) manual has skimpy synopsis, etc. o [2002/03/29] docs/36524 doc bad links on handbook index page o [2002/03/30] docs/36558 doc support.html#gnats needs a link to Proble o [2002/03/31] docs/36602 doc find.1 should encourage users to DTRT whe o [2002/04/01] docs/36618 doc [PATCH] Chapter Storage: bad link to mkis o [2002/04/01] docs/36628 doc header an footer of openssl manpages are o [2002/04/03] docs/36690 doc InfoWorld article for press.xml o [2002/04/03] docs/36723 doc IPSec section is unintelligible o [2002/04/03] docs/36724 doc ipnat(5) manpage grammar is incomplete an o [2002/04/03] docs/36725 doc Handbook does not talk about FFS Snapshot o [2002/04/03] docs/36726 doc Handbook lacks information about hardware o [2002/04/03] docs/36727 doc Mail chapter of Handbook is incomplete o [2002/04/03] docs/36728 doc Handbook does not document VINUM o [2002/04/03] docs/36729 doc Handbook does not document non-sendmail M o [2002/04/05] docs/36782 doc md5 salt documented as being 16 bytes max o [2002/04/06] docs/36837 doc Handbook lacks information about setting 113 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 13:21:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cumin.apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E7F37B416; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from durian.apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by cumin.apnic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g38KLhHa020466; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:21:44 +1000 Received: (from ggm@localhost) by durian.apnic.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g38KLhO32116; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:21:43 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:21:43 +1000 From: George Michaelson Message-Id: <200204082021.g38KLhO32116@durian.apnic.net> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: rc.conf, pccard_ether and ifconfig_ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just worked out how to get my an0 802.11 card working properly across reboot and sleep mode. I couldn't find any documentation on it, so here is a chunk of text which a FreeBSD wordsmith might find tunable into real english. I've mailed freebsd-questions as well, so its in the target for keyword searches in the mailing list if people are having problems cheers -George If you have removable network media (eg a pccard 802.11 device) there is a very good chance it needs pre-configuration before ifconfig and DHCP can complete. typically this is to set radio level behaviour, or tune media-specific settings. To get this working, you may need to add a couple of options to rc.conf and also create a suitable start_if (and possibly stop_if) file. 1) enable removable_interfaces in rc.conf set removable_interfaces to the list of devices which may be enabled or disabled by card insertion/removal. eg for a Cisco 340/350 series 802.11 card: removable_interfaces="an0" this is used by pccard_ether make sure pccard.conf (either in /etc or /etc/defaults) is calling pccard_ether for your card insert/remove events. 2) set the network config, or enable DHCP if required ifconfig_an0="DHCP" 3) write the pre-configuration script as start_if. and stop_if. eg for the Cisco card, ancontrol has to be used to set the SSID, WEP mode etc. its a good idea to set variables like the WEP status in rc.conf and copy the normal rc file inclusion method to parameterize this activity. a simple example might be: #!/bin/sh # Suck in the configuration variables # if [ -r /etc/defaults/rc.conf ]; then . /etc/defaults/rc.conf source_rc_confs elif [ -r /etc/rc.conf ]; then . /etc/rc.conf fi ################# # $wifi_ssid_1, $wifi_ssid_2, $wifi_ssid_3, # $wifi_wep_enable and $wifi_wep_key # need to be set in rc.conf ################# ancontrol -i an0 -v 1 -n ${wifi_ssid_1} ancontrol -i an0 -v 2 -n ${wifi_ssid_2} ancontrol -i an0 -v 3 -n ${wifi_ssid_3} case ${wifi_wep_enable} in [Nn][Oo]) ancontrol -i an0 -W 0 ;; [Yy][Ee][Ss]]) ancontrol -i an0 -v 0 -k ${wifi_wep_key} ancontrol -i an0 -W 1 ;; *) ;; esac What happens is that at card insert/remove events, the pccardd uses the pccard.conf per-device settings to do low level card start/stop behaviour, and then calls pccard_ether to adjust the network. The removable_interfaces section causes pccard_ether to successfuly ifconfig the device, and re-invoke dhclient if required. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 13:33:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595B937B419 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g38KXWp23100; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:33:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:33:32 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: George Michaelson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.conf, pccard_ether and ifconfig_ Message-ID: <20020408133331.A17821@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200204082021.g38KLhO32116@durian.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200204082021.g38KLhO32116@durian.apnic.net>; from ggm@apnic.net on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:21:43AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:21:43AM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: >=20 > I just worked out how to get my an0 802.11 card working properly across > reboot and sleep mode. I couldn't find any documentation on it, so here is > a chunk of text which a FreeBSD wordsmith might find tunable into real en= glish. Nice writeup! My only complaint is that using ancontrol is unnecessicary in this case. ifconfig has all the support needed for these operations and as such would be a better choice for the documentation because it's not an(4) specific. The only change in logic that would be required would be adding code to test for the SSID variables being set before using them since wi(4) cards only support one SSID. Otherwise, it's just mechanical transforms of ancontrol commands to ifconfig commands. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8sf6bXY6L6fI4GtQRAgznAKCzar0LiNsT3ZpJRrPkByPM89yY2QCguLMN +XBNeQ6G26DaRcPHmtJkhzU= =CV0m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 13:43:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cumin.apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D7937B44B for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garlic.apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by cumin.apnic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g38KhaHa020645; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:43:37 +1000 Message-Id: <200204082043.g38KhaHa020645@cumin.apnic.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Brooks Davis Cc: George Michaelson , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.conf, pccard_ether and ifconfig_ In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:33:32 -0700." <20020408133331.A17821@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:43:47 +1000 From: George Michaelson X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wow! if I'd known ifconfig did the same stuff as the control tool I'd have been there already. this would still go in start_if and stop_if files, right? -George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 14: 4:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645D37B404 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g38L1Wi27010; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:01:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:01:32 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: George Michaelson Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.conf, pccard_ether and ifconfig_ Message-ID: <20020408140132.A26554@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020408133331.A17821@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200204082043.g38KhaHa020645@cumin.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200204082043.g38KhaHa020645@cumin.apnic.net>; from ggm@garlic.apnic.net on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:43:47AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:43:47AM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: >=20 > wow! if I'd known ifconfig did the same stuff as the control tool I'd > have been there already. The wicontrol and ancontrol manpages should probably be updated to suggest that people not use them unless they really need to. I'd actually like to rip out the functionality that's just duplicated. > this would still go in start_if and stop_if files, right? Yah, because DHCP is a magic value in ifconfig_ and you can't pass it along with other arguments. Otherwise you could do wireless configuration in one hugh command line. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 22: 0:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA6537B419 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16997 invoked by uid 10); 9 Apr 2002 04:59:50 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g394uSR32444; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:56:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:56:28 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Request for review: Restructuring of sparc installation guide Message-ID: <20020409045627.GO51146@nathan.ruhr.de> Reply-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="HuXIgs6JvY9hJs5C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --HuXIgs6JvY9hJs5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, for some time, I've been thinking dark thoughts about modifying the structure of the sparc64 installation instructions. This is not some kind of legal text and it should be possible to structure it in a way that removes the 4th level headings. Additionally, just about style rule my teacher drummed into me complains about the fact that chapter 1.3 does not have any text except the other chapters. And most of the steps in 'network installation' do not describe the installation over the network, but the preparations neccessary for it. I've attached a patch that solves most of these problems. It splits the installations preparations into seperate chapters and moves things around a bit. I did not adjust the indentation of the moved chapters in order to minimize the diff and to make life easier for the translators. The neccessary cleanup would follow in a second patch. I was tempted to move almost all 1.3.* chapters (the various steps needed to set up a network installaiton) into one gigantic . The only thing that stopped me was the length of the output (about 150 lines in lynx). Comments? /s/Udo -- It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. --HuXIgs6JvY9hJs5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=sparc64-review Index: install.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/sparc64/install.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -r1.9 install.sgml --- install.sgml 8 Apr 2002 05:19:32 -0000 1.9 +++ install.sgml 8 Apr 2002 05:32:01 -0000 @@ -29,9 +29,6 @@ optionally to copy the &os; distribution to the local disk to make a stand-alone machine. - - Preparation - Currently, there are two ways to install &os;/&arch; on a new machine. By far the easier of the two is to install from CDROM; this method allows you to install &os; without any @@ -50,14 +47,7 @@ you need to download (if any), as well as the steps required to do the installation. - - Downloading Required Files - - This section describes the files you will need for a - &os;/&arch; installation. The links in this document point to - the main &os; FTP server. Please use a mirror site instead if - possible. - + The URLs in this section are provisional and subject to change. Please see the archives of the &a.sparc; for the @@ -65,51 +55,7 @@ when more permanent URLs have been determined. - - Required Files for CDROM Installation - - If you want to do a CDROM installation, an ISO - image with a snapshot of &os;/&arch; can be found at - . This file can be used - to create a bootable CDROM which contains everything - necessary to boot and load at least a minimal &os; - installation. - - - - - - - Required Files for Network Installation - - For a network installation, you will need several files. - First, you will need to download a &os;/&arch; loader for - &man.tftpd.8; to serve to your &arch; client. The loader - will use either TFTP or NFS to retrieve the &os; kernel from - the netboot server. There is a separate loader for each of - these methods (i.e. a loader for TFTP and a loader for NFS). - You should download one of the following files, as - appropriate: - - - - - - - A network installation also requires a kernel to be - served to the netboot client. A suitable kernel can be - found at - . - - - - Finally, you will need a &man.tar.1; archive which - contains the binaries and configuration files from the base - system. This file is available from . - - - + Getting to the PROM Prompt Most &arch; systems are set up to boot automatically from disk. To install &os;, you need to boot over the network or @@ -162,11 +108,19 @@ - - - - Installing from CDROM + + + Preparing for a CDROM Installation + + If you want to do a CDROM installation, an ISO + image with a snapshot of &os;/&arch; can be found at + . This file can be used + to create a bootable CDROM which contains everything + necessary to boot and load at least a minimal &os; + installation. + + Place the CDROM into your drive, and break into the PROM as described above. On the PROM prompt, type boot cdrom. The system should boot into single-user mode @@ -175,10 +129,9 @@ linkend="creating-disk-label"> and . - - Installing over the Network - - Configuring the Netboot Server + + + Preparing for a Network Installation A &os;/&arch; kernel is booted by having the firmware retrieve and execute a loader, @@ -189,7 +142,38 @@ system. The loader can fetch a kernel using TFTP or NFS. All of this is covered in detail below. - + + Getting the Required Files + + For a network installation, you will need several files. + First, you will need to download a &os;/&arch; loader for + &man.tftpd.8; to serve to your &arch; client. The loader + will use either TFTP or NFS to retrieve the &os; kernel from + the netboot server. There is a separate loader for each of + these methods (i.e. a loader for TFTP and a loader for NFS). + You should download one of the following files, as + appropriate: + + + + + + + A network installation also requires a kernel to be + served to the netboot client. A suitable kernel can be + found at + . + + + + Finally, you will need a &man.tar.1; archive which + contains the binaries and configuration files from the base + system. This file is available from . + + + + rarpd You need to add the Ethernet address of your &os;/&arch; @@ -207,9 +191,10 @@ interface that is on the same subnet as the &os;/&arch; system. - + - + + tftpd Activate &man.tftpd.8; in your &man.inetd.8; @@ -234,9 +219,10 @@ allow you to see the file name you need to use for the loader. Error replies by the TFTP server are most often due to incorrect file permissions. - + - + + Setting up bootpd/dhcpd You can use either BOOTP or DHCP (both not both) to @@ -305,7 +291,6 @@ a DNS entry or is associated with an address in /etc/hosts, the fixed-address specification can be omitted. - --HuXIgs6JvY9hJs5C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 8 22:38:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from k6.locore.ca (k6.locore.ca [198.96.117.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2050F37B41A; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jake@localhost) by k6.locore.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g395fAR26724; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:41:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jake) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 01:41:08 -0400 From: Jake Burkholder To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request for review: Restructuring of sparc installation guide Message-ID: <20020409014108.I199@locore.ca> References: <20020409045627.GO51146@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020409045627.GO51146@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:56:28AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently, On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:56:28AM +0200, Udo Erdelhoff said words to the effect of; > Hi, > for some time, I've been thinking dark thoughts about modifying the > structure of the sparc64 installation instructions. This is not > some kind of legal text and it should be possible to structure it > in a way that removes the 4th level headings. > > Additionally, just about style rule my teacher drummed into me > complains about the fact that chapter 1.3 does not have any text > except the other chapters. > > And most of the steps in 'network installation' do not describe the > installation over the network, but the preparations neccessary for > it. > > I've attached a patch that solves most of these problems. It splits > the installations preparations into seperate chapters and moves > things around a bit. I did not adjust the indentation of the moved > chapters in order to minimize the diff and to make life easier for > the translators. The neccessary cleanup would follow in a second > patch. > > I was tempted to move almost all 1.3.* chapters (the various steps > needed to set up a network installaiton) into one gigantic . > The only thing that stopped me was the length of the output (about > 150 lines in lynx). > > Comments? Cool, this looks fine to me. Re your XXX comments the files are in the same directory as the loader, pub/FreeBSD/development/sparc64. The kernel is called kernel-nfsroot.bz2 for netbooting. The iso is named by date and gets updated from time to time, so just pointing to the directory is probably ok; maybe add a note to get the latest one. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1DFC2.FA0055E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 5:44:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BF937B405 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g39Ciao00931 for freebsd-doc; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 05:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204091244.g39Ciao00931@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> ../ru/security ===> ../ru/commercial ===> ../ru/conspectus ===> ../ru/docproj ===> ../ru/news ===> ../ru/news/1996 ===> ../ru/news/1997 ===> ../ru/news/1998 ===> ../ru/news/1999 ===> ../ru/news/2000 ===> ../ru/news/2001 ===> ../ru/internal /usr/bin/perl5 /c/www/build/www/ru/internal/../../en/internal/homepage.pl > homepage.inc /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' homepage.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /c/www/build/www/ru/internal > homepage.html || (/bin/rm -f homepage.html && false) /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null homepage.html *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> ../ru/java ===> ../ru/java/dists ===> ../ru/java/docs ===> ../ru/java/links ===> ../ru/copyright ===> ../ru/search ===> ../ru/gallery ===> ../ru/projects ===> ../ru/releases ===> ../ru/smp ===> ../ru/platforms ===> ../ru/ports (cd /c/www/build/www/ru/ports; make -f /c/www/build/www/ru/ports/Makefile.inc0 all) ===> ../ru/tutorials (cd /c/www/build/www/ru/tutorials/../../../doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbook && make 'FORMATS=html html-split' DESTDIR=/home/www/public_html/data/ru/porters-handbook all) ===> ../ru/handbook ===> ../ru/FAQ (cd ../../../doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq; make 'FORMATS=html-split html' DESTDIR=/home/www/public_html/data/ru/FAQ all) ===> ../zh ===> ../zh/FAQ (cd ../../../doc/zh_TW.Big5/books/faq; make 'FORMATS=html-split html' DESTDIR=/home/www/public_html/data/zh/FAQ all) ===> ../de ===> ../de/FAQ (cd ../../../doc/de_DE.ISO8859-1/books/faq && make 'FORMATS=html-split html' DESTDIR=/home/www/public_html/data/de/FAQ all) ===> ../de/handbook (cd ../../../doc/de_DE.ISO8859-1/books/handbook && make FORMATS=html-split DESTDIR=/home/www/public_html/data/de/handbook all) 1328.00 real 492.65 user 16.42 sys install -C -o www -g www -m 664 /c/www/build/www/en/applications.html /usr/local/www/data install -C -o www -g www -m 664 /c/www/build/www/en/auditors.html /usr/local/www/data install: /usr/local/www/data/auditors.html: chown/chgrp: Operation not permitted *** Error code 71 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 0.06 real 0.00 user 0.01 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 6: 2:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bay.ein.cz (bay.ein.cz [62.24.69.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6946237B41D; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 06:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oak.ein.cz (oak.ein.cz [62.24.69.194]) by bay.ein.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA40C135BB; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:38:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by oak.ein.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5C79B1C665; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:37:26 +0200 (CEST) From: EIN Media To: EIN Media Subject: Special Middle East Coverage - FREE Trial Subscription X-Author: pe@einmedia.com Message-Id: <20020409123712.7485D1C663@oak.ein.cz> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:37:12 +0200 (CEST) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir / Madam, European Internet Network (EIN) provides extensive, hourly updated news coverage from the Middle East. 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Best regards, Editorial Department European Internet Network http://www.europeaninternet.com To be removed please reply to: remove@europeaninternet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 9:52:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from core.radioactivedata.org (146-115-127-91.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.127.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C4037B400 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radioactivedata.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core.radioactivedata.org (8.12.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g39GqQfD001007; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:52:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mbertsch@radioactivedata.org) Message-ID: <3CB31C4A.5040102@radioactivedata.org> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:52:26 -0400 From: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Sayer Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggestion: handbook 17.14: Basic IPv6 setup using 6to4 References: <3CB0FB94.3060308@quack.kfu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Nick, I hadn't realized that this was possible w/o finding someone to agree to route IPv6 for you. Neat. I wrote an article for the O'Reilly Network, at http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/02/22/ipv6.html, on how to setup an IPv6 connection using Freenet6. It's useful for folks who, like me, have a dynamic IP address. Perhaps we can join our texts into '17.14: Basic IPv6 Setup'? Let me know what you think. -Mike Nick Sayer wrote: > I nominate this block of text: > > > Anyone with a single static IPv4 address can set up a machine to act as > an IPv6 router using 6to4. With such a setup, it is possible for up to > 65,536 networks of 2^64 machines to be given globally reachable IPv6 > addresses reached through such a gateway. All one needs to do is add a > few short lines to rc.conf. > > [insert a short primer on IPv6 here] > > 6to4 is a special transition mechanism to make it easier for isolated > LANs running IPv6 to be able to reach each other. All users of 6to4 can > communicate with each other without doing anything special other than > setting up a 6to4 router at each location. 6to4 works by making special > "magic" IPv6 prefixes. These prefixes consist of a 16 bit constant, > which is 2002::/16 followed by the 32 bit IPv4 address of the 6to4 > router for that node. By including that in the prefix, it is immediately > clear how to route the replies back to their origin - you simply > encapsulate the replies in IPv4 packets addressed to the IPv4 address in > the prefix. For example, if a network had a 6to4 router at 10.0.0.1 (it > wouldn't, since that address is not routable on IPv4, but bear with me), > then its coresponding 6to4 prefix would be 2002:a00:1::/48. If it had a > host at 2002:a00:1::1, then traffic addressed to that machine would be > encapsulated in packets addressed to 10.0.0.1, which would get them to > the 6to4 router. Q.E.D. > > The one wrinkle is that 6to4 does not describe how 6to4 equipped hosts > can reach non-6to4 IPv6 destinations. Fortunately, RFC 3068 addresses > this. To make a long story short, 6to4 nodes need only set their default > route to the special address 2002:c058:6301:: and the traffic will get > to any globally routable IPv6 address regardless of whether or not it is > in 6to4 space. > > On the machine designated as the 6to4 router, you will need to set up > stf0, which will be the interface used to send out the IPv6-in-IPv4 > encapsulated packets. You'll need to add the following to your kernel > configuration file, if it's not already there: > > options INET6 > pseudo-device stf 1 > > Having done that, you can add the following lines to your rc.conf file: > > ipv6_enable="YES" > ipv6_network_interfaces="auto" > ipv6_gateway_enable="YES" > ipv6_prefix_nn0="2002:xxxx:xxxx:0" # see below > stf_interface_ipv4addr="xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" # Put your IPv4 address here > ipv6_defaultrouter="2002:c058:6301::" > > The ipv6_prefix line should have "nn0" changed to the name of your > Ethernet card (additional lines can be added if you are serving multiple > networks). The xxxx:xxxx should be changed to the hexidecimal > representation of the same IPv4 address that is in the > stf_interface_ipv4addr line. > > Having done that (and rebooted), you should find that you can reach IPv6 > hosts from the 6to4 router. > > If you have hosts connected to the LAN which you'd like to use IPv6 as > well, your next step is to configure them. This is easier. Put this in > rc.conf: > > ipv6_enable="YES" > > That's all (well, they will also need "options INET6" in their kernel > config). They will use IPv6 router discovery to find the 6to4 router and > get all the information they need. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 10:18:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E92B37B41D; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16uzGI-000HBl-00; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:18:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:18:30 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: murray@FreeBSD.org Subject: FAQ and Indexterm finished Message-ID: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org, murray@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Big ol' patch at http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.full.diff I realise that it's not the most beautiful thing ever, but if I get this in, then I'll be more than happy to see people help out with tidying it up. Comments or whatever are welcome. Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 10:24:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flash4.flashmail.com [207.173.216.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63DB537B417 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12271 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcc80y46sjdi7z) (66.81.18.169) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 17:23:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c1dff4$18f61800$a9125142@dcc80y46sjdi7z> From: "Dennis B." To: Subject: all inclusive list? Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:26:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings; Is your http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.5R/hardware-i386.html hardware notes page an all inclusive list for FreeBSD or just the latest release's additional supported devices in some cases? For example, it lists: Scanners (through SANE) ( uscanner(4) driver) a.. Perfection 636U b.. HP ScanJet 4100C, 5200C, 6300C and also: FAX-Modem/PCCARD a.. Melco IGM-PCM56K/IGM-PCM56KH b.. Nokia Card Phone 2.0 (gsm900/dcs1800 HSCSD terminal) Does that mean those are the only USB scanners and PCI modems tested to work with FreeBSD releases thus far or are those just the latest additions, in which case I'd also be wondering where to find the complete list(s)... Thank you and have a great day, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 10:27:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C937B41A; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g39HRV628933; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:27:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:35:26 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, murray@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ and Indexterm finished Message-Id: <20020409133526.4471aaee.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> References: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:18:30 +0100 Ceri Davies wrote: > http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.full.diff Oh is that cumbersome! My opinion is just this: Quick browes, looks good. I'd agree with you on the commit now, clean up afterwords (if its scary, i'm sure it will look so much better after application... -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 10:35:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E61337B417; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g39HYbS83916; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:34:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:34:37 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, murray@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ and Indexterm finished Message-ID: <20020409133437.A83896@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net>; from setantae@submonkey.net on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:18:30PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org /me hears "Massive patch to FAQ" and looks up This looks good to me. I'd say commit it. /me goes back to re-re-re-editing book. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:18:30PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > Big ol' patch at http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.full.diff > > I realise that it's not the most beautiful thing ever, but if I > get this in, then I'll be more than happy to see people help out > with tidying it up. > > Comments or whatever are welcome. > > Ceri > > -- > get the cool shoe shine > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 11:46:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DE737B41C for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g39IkTI52393 for freebsd-doc; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204091846.g39IkTI52393@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> conspectus/advocacy ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000 ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000/11 ===> gnome /usr/bin/fetch -qo - http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/rdf | /usr/bin/sed 's|rdf:RDF|rdf| ; s|xmlns.*[^>]||' > gnotices.rdf /usr/local/bin/xsltproc -nonet -o index.html /c/www/build/www/en/gnome/index.xsl /c/www/build/www/en/gnome/news.xml /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null index.html ===> gnome/docs ===> gnome/images ===> gnome/patches *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> relnotes ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/sparc64 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/alpha ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/i386 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/sparc64 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/readme ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/errata ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/alpha ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/i386 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/sparc64 ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1 ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386 ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/alpha ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/hardware/i386 ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/readme ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/errata ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/alpha ===> relnotes/4-STABLE/en_US.ISO8859-1/installation/i386 ===> gifs ===> cgi 1257.17 real 237.21 user 11.70 sys install -C -o www -g www -m 664 /c/www/build/www/en/applications.html /usr/local/www/data install -C -o www -g www -m 664 /c/www/build/www/en/auditors.html /usr/local/www/data install -C -o www -g www -m 664 /c/www/build/www/en/availability.html /usr/local/www/data install: /usr/local/www/data/availability.html: chown/chgrp: Operation not permitted *** Error code 71 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 0.26 real 0.01 user 0.01 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 12: 9:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pressevent.com (pressevent.com [216.200.104.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0210B37B405 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vm ([63.237.82.209]) by pressevent.com with SMTP id PAA10191 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Vaughan Moore" To: Subject: pdf version of the Handbook Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I get errors when I unzip and try to view the pdf version of the Handbook. I use Acrobat Reader version 4 and have tried it on several machines. Is the file corrupted, or is it a problem on my end? 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(envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g39Jx2XE033766; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204091959.g39Jx2XE033766@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Vaughan Moore" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pdf version of the Handbook In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Vaughan Moore" message dated "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:09:23 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:59:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, "Vaughan Moore" wrote: > I get errors when I unzip and try to view the pdf version of the > Handbook. I use Acrobat Reader version 4 and have tried it on several > machines. Is the file corrupted, or is it a problem on my end? There's some problems with building the PDF version of the Handbook. Best guess for now is that it's so large that it is overflowing the capacity of some of the tools used to build it. :-( Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 13:32:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.datanet.hu (mx1.datanet.hu [194.149.13.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E6A37B400 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (nilus-1627.adsl.datanet.hu [195.56.94.103]) by mx1.datanet.hu (DataNet) with ESMTP id 2533FFC4A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:32:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fonix.adamsfamily.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g39KW3UD001738 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:32:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sziszi@bsd.hu) Received: (from cc@localhost) by fonix.adamsfamily.xx (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g39KW2vj001737 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:32:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: fonix.adamsfamily.xx: cc set sender to sziszi@bsd.hu using -f Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 22:32:02 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor nit re advocacy/myths.html Message-ID: <20020409203202.GC1355@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020406183502.GA5126@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020406163654.3bf80683.darklogik@pittgoth.com> <20020407144518.GC539@fonix.adamsfamily.xx> <20020407204300.71042391.darklogik@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020407204300.71042391.darklogik@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 08:43:00PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > Your fine Adam, i've cached this, and hopefully I can do something > > > with this on Monday ;) Thanks alot though for pointing this out, > > > if you want to, you can change it to Mozilla, otherwise, i'll grab > > > it Monday hehe... > > > > Okay, here is a patch. What do you say? > > > > I say ``By all means, commit! Saves me time, plus I won't need to > pester my mentor about it ;) Thanks alot!'' Uhm...great, but, as of this writing, % finger sziszi@freebsd.org [freebsd.org] finger: sziszi: no such user :-))) So, I think, the solution is that you commit the change by telling your mentor that not you but I have messed up things justincase:-) -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szombathely Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 13:49:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D144A37B404 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max ([24.61.57.241]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020409204944.RVPR1901.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@max> for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: <200204091649440370.002D0534@mail.attbi.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:49:44 -0400 Reply-To: jdarnold@buddydog.org From: "Jonathan Arnold" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Problems with PDF version of the handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I downloaded both the .gz and .zip versions of the Handbook today and Adobe Acrobat 5.0 could not open either .pdf stored inside. "There was an error processing the page. There was a problem reading this document(109)." -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, a FreeBSD weblog: http://jdarnold.tzo.com/FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 14:23:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EA437B416; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3405B4B669; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:23:04 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org, murray@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ and Indexterm finished Message-ID: <20020409212304.GC22329@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:18:30PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > Big ol' patch at http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.full.diff I think a lot of these secondary indexterms are unnecessary. For example, IOMega Zip Drive, etc. That's not really a high level topic with lots of subtopics. I would change some of those very specific things to just primaries without a secondary indexterm. If you look in a normal book index, you will see mostly primary indexterms and indexterms with secondary entries are usually in the minority. In this patch, they make up 100% of the indexterms, which is not ideal. and are available when the organization of the content requires it -- you shouldn't feel obligated to give every index term a two-tier designation. I think sendmail should be a primary, not a secondary under software. Somewhere under the "mail" or "email" entries there should be a to sendmail. grep the Handbook for examples of usage. It is much more likely that someone is going to look under sendmail for this information in the Index. For some of these, you may want to add a or element to the index easier to follow. > I realise that it's not the most beautiful thing ever, but if I > get this in, then I'll be more than happy to see people help out > with tidying it up. It's great work, so feel free to commit it with or without my suggestion above. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 14:26:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FB137B419; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020409212619.OOHG21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:26:19 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g39LQIt2034624; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g39LQIfG034623; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204092126.g39LQIfG034623@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: PDF Handbook From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1085705622P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:26:18 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1085705622P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii By now it's pretty obvious to everyone who's tried that there's problems reading the PDF rendition of the Handbook (English version) on the FTP sites. We seem to be unable to build it using the current sources; the problem is in a PostScript to PDF conversion step. I've put up a slightly stale (but intact) PDF file at the URL below. It was built from the files that shipped with 5.0-DP1, which date back to about 2 April. I'll take it down when we can build PDF Handbooks again. http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/doc/handbook/book.pdf MD5 (book.pdf) = 0aea70695f839dd5efd7b3446497a02e Sorry for any inconvenience... Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1085705622P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE8s1x62MoxcVugUsMRAr6wAJ0Yv02DKZWi/YSpun8bFvnspw0eRQCfWmDl W7v3UuA1Lowza8OmfSjyMLI= =GyeJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1085705622P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 15:35: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E58537B404; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g39MZ3i65007; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204092235.g39MZ3i65007@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andre@andre.net.ru, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36782: md5 salt documented as being 16 bytes max length. In reailty it is 8 bytes max length. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: md5 salt documented as being 16 bytes max length. In reailty it is 8 bytes max length. State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 9 15:33:11 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I reviewed crypt-md5.c and read the manual page, this has been patched, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Apr 9 15:33:11 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I have reviewed the manual page, and patched crypt(3). Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36782 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 16: 3:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from core.radioactivedata.org (146-115-127-91.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.127.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A813937B400 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radioactivedata.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core.radioactivedata.org (8.12.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g39N3CfD006801 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:03:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mbertsch@radioactivedata.org) Message-ID: <3CB37330.2070607@radioactivedata.org> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:03:12 -0400 From: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Proper tag for kernel options? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, Subject says it all, really. I've looked through the primer for a while but it's not clear to me what tag I should be using for kernel options. Thanks! -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 17: 2:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from core.radioactivedata.org (146-115-127-91.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.127.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8283537B417 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from radioactivedata.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core.radioactivedata.org (8.12.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3A01qfD007036 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:01:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mbertsch@radioactivedata.org) Message-ID: <3CB380F0.2090203@radioactivedata.org> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:01:52 -0400 From: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: IPsec section for handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I've been working on http://mbertsch.usefulprojects.com/writing/freebsd/ipsec.html for the IPsec section of the handbook. It's partially derived from an O'Reilly Network article I did on FreeBSD & IPsec. I'd appreciate any questions, comments, suggestions, or concerns. I still need to finish the sections on X.509 certs, tunnel mode, and troubleshooting. The section on creating policies also needs a bit of cleaning up. I hope to do all of this by tomorrow sometime. -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 18: 6:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384F037B400 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c6.depaul-inst.pittsburgh.pa.us [192.168.1.6]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3A16o629843; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:06:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:14:46 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proper tag for kernel options? Message-Id: <20020409211446.67fb6fe1.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <3CB37330.2070607@radioactivedata.org> References: <3CB37330.2070607@radioactivedata.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:03:12 -0400 Mike DeGraw-Bertsch wrote: > Howdy, > > Subject says it all, really. I've looked through the primer for a > while but it's not clear to me what tag I should be using for kernel > options. > > Thanks! > -Mike > > Good evening Mike. Most of the time, I personally use for options that have been listed in LINT and GENERIC. I also think that is the current way that the configuration chapters are doing this. Take care! -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 18:38:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218DE37B416; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3A1cRw06101; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204100138.g3A1cRw06101@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36558: support.html#gnats needs a link to Problem Reports article. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: support.html#gnats needs a link to Problem Reports article. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 9 18:36:48 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Added a link to the article in revision 1.257 of file www/en/support.sgml - Thanks for spotting this one. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Apr 9 18:36:48 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36558 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 19:17:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05137B416 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g39K8us21369; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:08:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:08:56 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Vaughan Moore Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pdf version of the Handbook Message-ID: <20020409210855.V30474@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GGxZz/e2pmGePzrA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from vaughan_moore@was.bm.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:09:23PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --GGxZz/e2pmGePzrA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:09:23PM -0400, Vaughan Moore wrote: > I get errors when I unzip and try to view the pdf version of the > Handbook. I use Acrobat Reader version 4 and have tried it on several > machines. Is the file corrupted, or is it a problem on my end? Known problem. Still working on a fix. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --GGxZz/e2pmGePzrA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjyzSlcACgkQk6gHZCw343Xt/ACfWvd3/9It9jSDi67nvOEZe+WW 27wAnROKeA/5mN89Gof2c+qGjdn+88a+ =taWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GGxZz/e2pmGePzrA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 9 20: 7:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E592F37B417 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.soupnazi.org ([64.168.23.24]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUC0043D0OMID@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by helios.soupnazi.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDCBA3134; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:07:33 -0700 From: Jim Mock Subject: Re: IPsec section for handbook In-reply-to: <3CB380F0.2090203@radioactivedata.org> To: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org Message-id: <20020410030733.GA1718@helios.dub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i References: <3CB380F0.2090203@radioactivedata.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 at 20:01:52 -0400, Mike DeGraw-Bertsch wrote: > Howdy, > > I've been working on > http://mbertsch.usefulprojects.com/writing/freebsd/ipsec.html for the > IPsec section of the handbook. It's partially derived from an O'Reilly > Network article I did on FreeBSD & IPsec. I'd appreciate any questions, > comments, suggestions, or concerns. > > I still need to finish the sections on X.509 certs, tunnel mode, and > troubleshooting. The section on creating policies also needs a bit of > cleaning up. I hope to do all of this by tomorrow sometime. Wow, an actual readable version of the handbook's IPSec chapter. Whodathunkit? Great start Mike, I look forward to seeing the finished product and would be happy to do the import when you're done :-) - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 0:52: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web21107.mail.yahoo.com (web21107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF85837B41A for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020410075148.86487.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:51:48 PDT Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai , Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Poul-Henning Kamp , John Baldwin , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20020410073457.GF22522@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Murray Stokely wrote: > Point those people to the Handbook, tell them to search for 'devfs', > etc.. If they can't find the material they are looking for, then ask > them to submit minor patches to clarify 5.0 functionality, rather than > write a whole new book. I do understand, but wouldn't be useful to have a chapter, which points out the new features with short/medium sized descriptions, rather than bits lurking around the whole handbook? -- Hiten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 1: 1:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E01937B417; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D0EC62170; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:01:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:01:23 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) Message-ID: <20020410080123.GB40979@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20020410073457.GF22522@freebsdmall.com> <20020410075148.86487.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020410075148.86487.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20020410 10:00], Hiten Pandya (hitmaster2k@yahoo.com) wrote: >I do understand, but wouldn't be useful to have a chapter, which points >out the new features with short/medium sized descriptions, rather than >bits lurking around the whole handbook? I think Bruce Mah's Release Notes go a long way in accomplishing that. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org http://www.softweyr.com/asmodai/ | http://www.[tendra|xmach].org/ Buried deep are the Souls that are waiting for you... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 1:12:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851E437B416; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3A8C3eZ038319; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:12:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , John Baldwin , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:34:57 PDT." <20020410073457.GF22522@freebsdmall.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:12:03 +0200 Message-ID: <38318.1018426323@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20020410073457.GF22522@freebsdmall.com>, Murray Stokely writes: >Point those people to the Handbook, tell them to search for 'devfs', >etc.. If they can't find the material they are looking for, then ask >them to submit minor patches to clarify 5.0 functionality, rather than >write a whole new book. When as a kid I first learned about "ghost-writers" I became very very upset. I felt cheated because what I thought were some famous person having written his own memoirs were in fact what some random bloke had written after talking to that person and not 1st hand evidence so to speak. Now, having come to an age where I have learned, often the hard way, that "having an idea", "implementing an idea" and "communicating an idea" are three entirely different things which require three entirely different skill-sets, I feel a lot more relaxed about the concept of "ghost-writers" because I realize that what they do is really translation. Anyone who has listened to a tape-recording of Niels Bohr will know how apt that metaphor _really_ is. I will readily admit that it is certainly not the fault of the doc team that so little documentation has come out of my own effort: whenever I have produced something they have jumped on it like hawks on a slice of roastbeef. Right now for instance, I have a patch to geom(4) sitting in my inbox which as far as I can see changes every second source line or so. And that is not an encouraging batting average for someone like me to sit down and stare at an empty editor... I guess the bit that I feel missing is: to me as a developer "the doc team" is a bit too nebulous an entity to get into a stable and productive relationship with, it becomes an case by case thing which never really finds its own rythm and regularity. My suggestion to the doc-team would be: identify the developers who you want to get documentation from and try to find a ghostwriter who would be a good match for that developer. I think it would work better for at least some of the developers like me. And I am more than willing to take my own medicine. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 1:20:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84F837B404; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16vDKk-000IoG-00; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:20:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:20:02 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Murray Stokely Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ and Indexterm finished Message-ID: <20020410082002.GB71876@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20020409171830.GA65916@submonkey.net> <20020409212304.GC22329@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020409212304.GC22329@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:23:04PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:18:30PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > Big ol' patch at http://www.submonkey.net/patches/faq.full.diff > > I think a lot of these secondary indexterms are unnecessary. For > example, IOMega Zip Drive, etc. That's not really a high level topic > with lots of subtopics. I would change some of those very specific > things to just primaries without a secondary indexterm. If you look > in a normal book index, you will see mostly primary indexterms and > indexterms with secondary entries are usually in the minority. In > this patch, they make up 100% of the indexterms, which is not ideal. > and are available when the organization of the > content requires it -- you shouldn't feel obligated to give every > index term a two-tier designation. Good point. > I think sendmail should be a primary, not a secondary under > software. Somewhere under the "mail" or "email" entries there should > be a to sendmail. grep the Handbook for examples of usage. There are 's ?! Dammit, that's handy! > It is much more likely that someone is going to look under sendmail > for this information in the Index. For some of these, you may want to > add a or element to the index easier to follow. > > > I realise that it's not the most beautiful thing ever, but if I > > get this in, then I'll be more than happy to see people help out > > with tidying it up. > > It's great work, so feel free to commit it with or without my > suggestion above. No, in light of the 's I'm going to redo it, I think. I can do it better with those. Thanks, Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 4: 2:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFE637B419 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3AB2ef87725; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:02:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:02:40 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Jonathan Arnold Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with PDF version of the handbook Message-ID: <20020410070240.A87682@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200204091649440370.002D0534@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200204091649440370.002D0534@mail.attbi.com>; from jdarnold@buddydog.org on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:49:44PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We know, and people are working on it. Should hopefully be resolved soon. ==ml On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:49:44PM -0400, Jonathan Arnold wrote: > I downloaded both the .gz and .zip versions of the Handbook today and > Adobe Acrobat 5.0 could not open either .pdf stored inside. > > "There was an error processing the page. > There was a problem reading this > document(109)." > > > -- > Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) > Daemon Dancing in the Dark, a FreeBSD weblog: > http://jdarnold.tzo.com/FreeBSD > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 5: 1:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3025D37B400; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3AC10w66206; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:01:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , Poul-Henning Kamp , John Baldwin , cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) In-Reply-To: <20020410075148.86487.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Hiten Pandya wrote: > --- Murray Stokely wrote: > > Point those people to the Handbook, tell them to search for 'devfs', > > etc.. If they can't find the material they are looking for, then ask > > them to submit minor patches to clarify 5.0 functionality, rather than > > write a whole new book. > > I do understand, but wouldn't be useful to have a chapter, which points > out the new features with short/medium sized descriptions, rather than > bits lurking around the whole handbook? Those would be the release notes. The typical model is that you want a document that lasts after the release process, and becomes the "normal" documentation. There will be many new chapters for 5.0-RELEASE features, we just need to note that they came into existence in 5.0. That way you get a volume at the end of the day that covers 4.x and 5.0, since they'll co-exist for some time. For the TrustedBSD features, we anticipate a number of new handbook chapters, each carefully marked "FreeBSD 5.0 and higher" :-). I don't see a conflict here: many of the underlying paradigms of the system remain the same from the user perspective. There are marked differences, but they can be clearly identified, and are often in the form of new chapters rather than specific changes to existing management procedure (assuming that libh and sysinstallng don't turn up :-). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 5:32:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C695437B41D for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3ACWia66188 for freebsd-doc; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204101232.g3ACWia66188@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> releases/4.5R ===> releases/4.6R ===> releases/5.0R ===> releases/5.0R/DP1 ===> releng ===> smp ===> conspectus ===> conspectus/stable ===> conspectus/stable/2000 ===> conspectus/stable/2000/05 ===> conspectus/stable/2000/06 ===> conspectus/advocacy ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000 ===> conspectus/advocacy/2000/11 ===> gnome /usr/bin/fetch -qo - http://news.gnome.org/gnome-news/rdf | /usr/bin/sed 's|rdf:RDF|rdf| ; s|xmlns.*[^>]||' > gnotices.rdf /usr/local/bin/xsltproc -nonet -o index.html /c/www/build/www/en/gnome/index.xsl /c/www/build/www/en/gnome/news.xml /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null index.html ===> gnome/docs ===> gnome/images ===> gnome/patches *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> ports cd /c/www/build/www/en/ports; make -f /c/www/build/www/en/ports/Makefile.inc0 all ===> doc ===> doc/articles ===> doc/articles/committers-guide ===> doc/articles/console-server "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. ===> doc/articles/contributing ===> doc/articles/contributors ===> doc/articles/cvs-freebsd /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -d /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -ioutput.html.images -D /usr/obj/c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd -c /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/../../../en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/iso8879/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade:/c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.sgml:50:64:E: general entity "a.joe" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 617.84 real 236.05 user 8.97 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 8:36: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853B237B405; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3AFa3t11311; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204101536.g3AFa3t11311@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36467: ed(4) manual has skimpy synopsis, etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ed(4) manual has skimpy synopsis, etc. State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 10 08:34:29 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: After a brief discussion with Gary, I figure this one is mine. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Apr 10 08:34:29 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: After a brief discussion with Gary, I figure this one is mine. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36467 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 9:40:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA9537B417; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3AGeku25934; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204101640.g3AGeku25934@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joshua@roughtrade.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36602: find.1 should encourage users to DTRT when piping to xargs Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: find.1 should encourage users to DTRT when piping to xargs State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 10 09:39:47 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Applied to CURRENT, I'll apply to STABLE in 2 days, thanks for the submission! 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ESMTP id C088637B400; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3AKt0B89554; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204102055.g3AKt0B89554@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35610: sscanf(3) page has obsolete "this release". Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: sscanf(3) page has obsolete "this release". State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 10 13:53:40 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in CURRENT, and I will apply to STABLE in 2 days. Thanks for pointing this out Gary! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Apr 10 13:53:40 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Fixed in CURRENT, and I will apply to STABLE in 2 days. Thanks for pointing this out Gary! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35610 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 14: 0:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B2C37B404 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16vPCq-0007cc-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:00:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:00:40 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world that you can install FreeBSD from tape. In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems installing 2.1.7. So a few questions : 1) Can you install from tape ? 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or just for 2.1.7 ? 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 16:37:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.e-domainserver.com (dns1.e-domainserver.com [205.219.177.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A172E37B41A for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AndrewRichard (ppp-com127.net-resource.com [216.204.2.127]) by mail.e-domainserver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 34258119E09 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c1e0e8$c64c2cc0$7f02ccd8@AndrewRichard> From: "Andrew Ricard" To: Subject: my 486 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:38:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E0C7.3E1D35E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E0C7.3E1D35E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 486 with a 2GB hard drive.Which i installed the 2GB drive,,a = message came up saying--missing operating system.A flashing -dot is = shone.I tried installing Windows from cd by pressing enter nothing happens. please give me a clue ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E0C7.3E1D35E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 486 with a 2GB hard = drive.Which i=20 installed the 2GB drive,,a message came up saying--missing operating = system.A=20 flashing  -dot is shone.I tried installing Windows from cd by = pressing=20 enter nothing
happens. please give me a=20 clue
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1E0C7.3E1D35E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 18:34:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360A537B417 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3B1Y0v90998; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:34:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:34:00 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020410213400.A90978@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net>; from setantae@submonkey.net on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:00:40PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, IIRC I installed 2.2.1 from tape, so I would *guess* that we started tape installs from 2.1.7 onward? If that's the case, that FAQ can go by the wayside. With brutal prejudice. On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:00:40PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world > that you can install FreeBSD from tape. > > In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems > installing 2.1.7. > > So a few questions : > > 1) Can you install from tape ? > > 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or > just for 2.1.7 ? > > 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? > > Ceri > > -- > get the cool shoe shine > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 18:34:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0837B404 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3B1Ysp91018; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:34:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:34:54 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Andrew Ricard Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my 486 Message-ID: <20020410213454.B90978@blackhelicopters.org> References: <000801c1e0e8$c64c2cc0$7f02ccd8@AndrewRichard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000801c1e0e8$c64c2cc0$7f02ccd8@AndrewRichard>; from aricard@xtdl.com on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:38:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, If you're installing FreeBSD, you could ask over on FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org. If you're just installing Windows, you'll have to ask elsewhere entirely. Good luck! On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:38:08PM -0400, Andrew Ricard wrote: > I have a 486 with a 2GB hard drive.Which i installed the 2GB drive,,a message came up saying--missing operating system.A flashing -dot is shone.I tried installing Windows from cd by pressing enter nothing > happens. please give me a clue -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 18:40:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E04837B405 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636D8816DA; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:10:08 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:10:08 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ceri Davies Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 22:00:40 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world > that you can install FreeBSD from tape. > > In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems > installing 2.1.7. > > So a few questions : > > 1) Can you install from tape ? > > 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or > just for 2.1.7 ? > > 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? I've decided that it probably doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that nobody has tried in a long time. The safest thing to do would obviously be to try it and either succeed or know that the failure was due to the fact that it's no longer functional. The second safest thing to do would be to say that it's no longer "supported". I've taken the corresponding info out of "The Complete FreeBSD". Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 18:49:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547DA37B404; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c6.depaul-inst.pittsburgh.pa.us [192.168.1.6]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3B1nn632966; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:57:44 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-Id: <20020410215744.1dc9e5ec.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:10:08 +0930 "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 22:00:40 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world > > that you can install FreeBSD from tape. > > > > In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems > > installing 2.1.7. > > > > So a few questions : > > > > 1) Can you install from tape ? > > > > 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or > > just for 2.1.7 ? > > > > 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? > > I've decided that it probably doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that > nobody has tried in a long time. The safest thing to do would > obviously be to try it and either succeed or know that the failure was > due to the fact that it's no longer functional. The second safest > thing to do would be to say that it's no longer "supported". I've > taken the corresponding info out of "The Complete FreeBSD". > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To throw my thoughts in, I don't think, with the computer systems around today, that many people will ever try. If so, i'm sure someone would have either reported failure or success... -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 19:14:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF0E37B419 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995B0816D2; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:44:51 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:44:51 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Tom Rhodes Cc: setantae@submonkey.net, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020411114451.I54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020410215744.1dc9e5ec.darklogik@pittgoth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020410215744.1dc9e5ec.darklogik@pittgoth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 21:57:44 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:10:08 +0930 > "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 22:00:40 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >>> >>> On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world >>> that you can install FreeBSD from tape. >>> >>> In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems >>> installing 2.1.7. >>> >>> So a few questions : >>> >>> 1) Can you install from tape ? >>> >>> 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or >>> just for 2.1.7 ? >>> >>> 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? >> >> I've decided that it probably doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that >> nobody has tried in a long time. The safest thing to do would >> obviously be to try it and either succeed or know that the failure was >> due to the fact that it's no longer functional. The second safest >> thing to do would be to say that it's no longer "supported". I've >> taken the corresponding info out of "The Complete FreeBSD". > > To throw my thoughts in, I don't think, with the computer systems around > today, that many people will ever try. Agreed. > If so, i'm sure someone would have either reported failure or > success... No, people only report failure, and then only sometimes :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 19:50:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB8C37B41B for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3B2o1g74384; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7AA37B404 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hiten@localhost) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3B2meV33294; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:48:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hiten) Message-Id: <200204110248.g3B2meV33294@pittgoth.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: Hiten Pandya To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/36985: [PATCH] - Various fixes for the tap(4) manual page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 36985 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] - Various fixes for the tap(4) manual page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Apr 10 19:50:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Hiten Pandya >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD pittgoth.com 4.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #2: Thu Feb 21 23:00:49 EST 2002 root@pittgoth.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PITTGOTH i386 >Description: The below patch makes various changes to the tap(4) manual page. It corrects some grammar mistakes and it puts a .Em macro (emphasise) around the VMNet driver. I think this was needed, as it would clearly show out the VMNet stuff. Tom Rhodes took a look over this, but didn't have time to work with it. :-) -- Hiten Pandya -- >How-To-Repeat: Heh. You know the drill, visit the tap(4) manual page. :) >Fix: Apply the patch provided below. If not, please do not hesitate to contact me regarding this issue. --- tap.4.orig Tue Sep 11 06:08:29 2001 +++ tap.4 Wed Apr 10 21:55:41 2002 @@ -231,7 +231,9 @@ brought down (as if with .Dq ifconfig tap Ns Sy N No down ) -unless the devices is a VMnet device. +unless the device is a +.Em VMnet +device. All queued frames are thrown away. If the interface is up when the data device is not open, output frames are thrown away rather than @@ -239,32 +241,41 @@ .Pp The .Nm -device is also can be used with the VMware port as a replacement -for the old VMnet device driver. +device can also be used with the VMware port as a replacement +for the old +.Em VMnet +device driver. The driver uses the minor number to select between .Nm and .Nm vmnet devices. -VMnet minor numbers begin at +.Em VMnet +minor numbers begin at .Va 0x800000 + -.Va N . -Where +.Va N ; +where .Va N -is a VMnet unit number. -In this case control device is expected to be +is a +.Em VMnet +unit number. +In this case the control device is expected to be .Pa /dev/vmnet Ns Sy N , -and network interface will be +and the network interface will be .Sy vmnet Ns Ar N . -Additionally, VMnet devices do not ifconfig themselves down when the +Additionally, +.Em VMnet +devices do not +.Xr ifconfig 8 +themselves down when the control device is closed. Everything else is the same. .Pp -In addition to mentioned above +In addition to the above mentioned .Xr ioctl 2 -there is one additional one for the VMware port. +calls, there is an additional one for the VMware port. .Bl -tag -width VMIO_SIOCSETMACADDR .It Dv VMIO_SIOCSIFFLAGS VMware @@ -273,7 +284,3 @@ .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr inet 4 , .Xr intro 4 -.\" .Sh BUGS -.Sh AUTHORS -This man page has been obtained from -.Fx . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 10 23:15:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from south.nanolink.com (south.nanolink.com [217.75.134.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E102C37B405 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30922 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 06:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.ringlet.net) (212.116.140.125) by south.nanolink.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2002 06:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 73630 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Apr 2002 06:15:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:15:40 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Andrew Ricard Cc: Michael Lucas , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my 486 Message-ID: <20020411091540.A72988@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Ricard , Michael Lucas , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000801c1e0e8$c64c2cc0$7f02ccd8@AndrewRichard> <20020410213454.B90978@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020410213454.B90978@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:34:54PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:34:54PM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:38:08PM -0400, Andrew Ricard wrote: > > I have a 486 with a 2GB hard drive.Which i installed the 2GB drive,,a m= essage came up saying--missing operating system.A flashing -dot is shone.I= tried installing Windows from cd by pressing enter nothing > > happens. please give me a clue >=20 > If you're installing FreeBSD, you could ask over on > FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org. >=20 > If you're just installing Windows, you'll have to ask elsewhere entirely. >=20 > Good luck! Also, before you ask on freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, please take a look at the "How to get best results from the freebsd-questions mailing list" article at the following URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/artic= le.html G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter. --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjy1KgwACgkQ7Ri2jRYZRVPyLACfXyoaghXRLrVjhAOT+KwVJ1Hi eDEAnj8kPrb+KsW6++k7W+lYyDlkT9Ye =cDts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 0:31:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fja.de (mail.fja.de [194.120.150.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C805137B419 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muc.fja.de (susi02.muc.fja.de [172.16.40.16]) by fja.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3B7Vm307372 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:31:48 +0200 Received: from MUC-SERVER7.muc.fja.de (node1.muc.fja.de [172.16.30.61]) by muc.fja.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3B7VXr30669 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:31:33 +0200 Received: by muc-server7.muc.fja.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:25:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Schoettler, Jan" To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: handbook.pdf with errors? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:31:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there, I downloaded ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/handbook/book.pdf.zip and tried to open the document with Acrobat Reader (Win NT4.0) and I can't display it. AR says: "There was an error processing a page. There was a problem reading this document (109)". All other books work fine. What's wrong? BTW, I'm a linux user and BSD newbie and I'm impressed by the tons of free and high quality FreeBSD documentation. Carry on the good work! Regards, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 3:29:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81BB37B400; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16vbpf-000F7o-00; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:29:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:29:35 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020411102935.GA57959@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Greg 'groggy' Lehey , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:10:08AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 22:00:40 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > > On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world > > that you can install FreeBSD from tape. > > > > In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems > > installing 2.1.7. > > > > So a few questions : > > > > 1) Can you install from tape ? > > > > 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or > > just for 2.1.7 ? > > > > 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? > > I've decided that it probably doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that > nobody has tried in a long time. The safest thing to do would > obviously be to try it and either succeed or know that the failure was > due to the fact that it's no longer functional. The second safest > thing to do would be to say that it's no longer "supported". I've > taken the corresponding info out of "The Complete FreeBSD". I've just checked out the installer, and Tape is an option there, so I guess that it must be supported still ? The only tape drive I've got here is a scsi one, and I don't have a scsi card for any of my PCs. I'll see if I can borrow one before someone ports FreeBSD to the sparcstation4 :), but if anyone has a tape drive that they're in a position to use and can check this out, then that would be cool. I'm not so specifically interested in question 1, as I'm sure the answer is yes, but more in the question of whether 2.1.7 required special treament, or whether the blocksize issue in FAQ3.17 applies to all releases equally. I either want to get rid of the question, or get rid of the 2.1.7 reference therein, unless there are good reasons not to do so. Ceri -- get the cool shoe shine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 5: 2:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0B137B405 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3BC1tE93050; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:01:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:01:55 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: "Schoettler, Jan" Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: handbook.pdf with errors? Message-ID: <20020411080155.A93030@blackhelicopters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Jan.Schoettler@fja.com on Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:31:41AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, This is a known problem. We're having trouble with our latest builds, and hope to have it fixed RSN. Sorry for the inconvenience, Michael On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 09:31:41AM +0200, Schoettler, Jan wrote: > Hello there, > > I downloaded > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/handbook/book.pdf.zip > and tried to open the document with Acrobat Reader (Win NT4.0) and I can't > display > it. > AR says: "There was an error processing a page. There was a problem reading > this document (109)". > > All other books work fine. > > What's wrong? > > BTW, I'm a linux user and BSD newbie and I'm impressed by the tons of free > and > high quality FreeBSD documentation. Carry on the good work! > > Regards, > Jan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 6:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB8F37B416 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020411132915.LVWW1143.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:29:15 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BDTFNk012817; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BDTE5B012816; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204111329.g3BDTE5B012816@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Michael Lucas Cc: "Schoettler, Jan" , "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: handbook.pdf with errors? In-reply-to: <20020411080155.A93030@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020411080155.A93030@blackhelicopters.org> Comments: In-reply-to Michael Lucas message dated "Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:01:55 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:29:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, Michael Lucas wrote: > This is a known problem. We're having trouble with our latest builds, > and hope to have it fixed RSN. Until this gets fixed, we can point people at a temporary copy I'm keeping at the URL below: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/doc/handbook/book.pdf It was generated from the doc files we shipped with 5.0-DP1. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 7:13:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961E437B404 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procyon (procyon [128.130.111.32]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3BEDUW08501 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:13:30 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:13:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Toni Pisjak To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: "make package" ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello ! I hope i didn't read over that, but i missed a hint to "How to create a package from a port" ("make package") in the section "Chapter 4 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports" of the FreeBSD handbook; resp. a link to the "Porters Handbook". Kind regards: Toni Pisjak -- Toni Pisjak Technische Universitaet Wien pisjak@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 7:27:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099BF37B49A for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procyon (procyon [128.130.111.32]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3BEPQW09004; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:25:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Toni Pisjak To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: Gerald Pfeifer Subject: Re: "make package" ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello ! On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Toni Pisjak wrote: > I hope i didn't read over that, but i missed a hint to "How to create a > package from a port" ("make package") in the section > > "Chapter 4 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports" > > of the FreeBSD handbook; resp. a link to the "Porters Handbook". A colleague told me right now: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-trouble.html#Q4. 7.1.23 I didn't look there, because it's more a question of "how do you do it" than "troubleshooting". Kind regards: Toni. -- Toni Pisjak Technische Universitaet Wien pisjak@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 8:36:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (h213-110-85.RM.albacom.net [213.213.110.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0881D37B41C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "gufi@vincenti.net" Date: gio, 11 apr 2002 17.39.53 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: vuoi davvero vincere con Internet? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020411153522.0881D37B41C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vorresti davvero Vincere con Internet? Questo Sistema è diverso da tutti gli altri, ti assicuro che dopo averlo compreso a fondo sarà per te IRRESISTIBILE la voglia di partecipare. QUESTO E` SENZA DUBBIO IL GIORNO PIU` FORTUNATO DELLA TUA VITA !!! IMMAGINA COSA POTRESTI FARE CON 750.000 EURO (1.5 - 2 MILIARDI DI LIRE) ... SEI UNO DEI PRIMI FORTUNATI ITALIANI A RICEVERE QUESTA FAMOSA MLM E-MAIL, DELLA QUALE TUTTI STANNO PARLANDO, E DELLA QUALE LA TELEVISIONE E TUTTI I GIORNALI AMERICANI HANNO DEDICATO AMPIO SPAZIO NELLE SCORSE SETTIMANE !!! 1.5 - 2 MILIARDI DI LIRE IN SOLE 6 SETTIMANE !!! GARANTITO !!! FINALMENTE TRADOTTA ANCHE IN ITALIANO, PER IL TUO SUCCESSO !!! UN SISTEMA CHE ANNULLA COMPLETAMENTE TOTOCALCIO, TOTOGOL, LOTTO, ENALOTTO E LOTTERIE VARIE !!! BASTA GIOCARE E SPRECARE SOLDI INUTILMENTE !!! COMINCIA A VINCERE UNA VOLTA PER TUTTE FINO A QUANDO SARAI STUFO DI TUTTI QUEI SOLDI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! E' il caso di cominciare A TIRARE FUORI I SOGNI DAL CASSETTO !!! 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Michele all' Adige, una cittadina alle porte di Trento, nel nord Italia. Mi sono sposato e trasferito negli Stati Uniti nel 1994, dopo un corso estivo al Campus dell' Universita` del nord Colorado, e tuttora vivo con mia moglie e i miei due figli in una bellissima cittadina chiamata Fort Collins, sempre nel nord Colorado. La ragione per cui ti scrivo e` perche` ormai da 5 mesi la mia vita e quella della mia famiglia e` totalmente cambiata. Perche` ??? Ho vinto la bellezza di $712.455 dollari, equivalenti a 1.426.862.000 lire italiane, senza fare assolutamente nulla !!! Quello che e` successo a me succedera` a tutti quelli che decideranno di partecipare all' ormai famoso "MLM American System": E` GARANTITO !!! Perche` e` l'unico sistema al mondo col quale non si puo` perdere, e` impossibile !!!". 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MLM e` una rete di oneste persone comuni COME TE che hanno tutto l'interesse di tenere in piedi un sistema che genera benessere per tutti. I soldi contenuti nelle lettere vengono spediti direttamente alle case dei partecipanti, e non raccolti da "'anonimi enti" come in altri sistemi. Su questa e-mail, che sara` la tua lista se decidi di partecipare, ci sono i nominativi di 5 persone comuni come te, provenienti dall'Italia e da tutto il mondo. Come hai letto nella testimonianza di Claudio Tommasi, l'italiano che ha avuto la cortesia di tradurre questa famosa e-mail in italiano, stiamo cercando di far rimanere questa e-mail in Italia. Quindi considera la tua posizione: se cancelli questa e-mail toglierai una grande opportunita` a coloro che stanno aspettando che tu gliela spedisca. Anche se non intendi partecipare, spedisci questa e-mail ad almeno 10 persone. E se intendi partecipare, ti chiediamo cortesemente di farla circolare in Italia, affinché si crei un ciclo di giocatori italiani che entrano ed escono, scambiandosi ricchezza a turno ogni 6 settimane, come in altri paesi. Aiutaci in questo tentativo di creare un "ramo" MLM completamente italiano. Ci e` stato reso noto che la scorsa settimana alcuni giocatori italiani hanno rispedito la e-mail ad amici residenti negli USA, tagliando fuori milioni di giocatori italiani in attesa. Ti chiediamo pertanto di evitare che questa e-mail vada persa. Confidiamo nel tuo impegno, e per questo ti ringraziamo in anticipo. Noi siamo due studenti, A&W (che vogliono mantenere l'anonimato), della facolta' di ingegneria di Povo, Trento, amici d'infanzia di Claudio Tommasi e convinti stimatori di questo incredibile sistema che sta gia`funzionando alla grande per noi. Ti auguriamo un in bocca al lupo e buon divertimento come nuovo euro-milionario !!! COSA SONO I 5 "REPORT" PER ENTRARE NEL GIOCO? Un report e` una serie di informazioni utilissime su come scaricare assolutamente gratis costosi software dall' Internet (che potranno risultare di grande aiuto nella gestione e spedizione ad alta velocita` di e-mail) gestire patrimoni senza pagare tasse, ecc., accuratamente tradotti in italiano. Per ogni report spedisci 5 euro. Per qualsiasi ragione, non spedire MAI moneta, solo banconote, altrimenti dovrai pagare una tariffa postale maggiore, dovuta al peso. Per evitare che i soldi spediti vengano intercettati e rubati, da due anni a questa parte, si e` adottato il sistema di "incartare" la banconota in due fogli di carta formato A4, piegati in tre, come si piegherebbe una semplice lettera da infilare in una busta normale da lettera. Su uno dei due fogli, scrivi in stampatello (meglio se stampato al computer) a caratteri chiari e leggibili, il nome e il numero del report che stai ordinando, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, e il tuo nome e indirizzo postale. Quindi: per ogni report spedisci una banconota del valore di 5 euro incartata fra 2 fogli di carta formato A4, il nome e numero di report richiesto, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, il tuo nome e indirizzo postale. Se non vuoi far apparire il tuo nome e indirizzo sulla lista (anonimato), puoi usare una casella postale come indirizzo, e il nome di una compagnia al posto del tuo nome e cognome (ad esempio: XYZ Servizi, Casella Postale 12345, Roma, Italy). Ricorda di scrivere il tuo indirizzo (mittente) sulla busta, nel caso in cui ci siano difficolta` postali. Quando ordini i report, devi ordinare tutti i 5 report, perchè hai bisogno di "cederli atua volta" tramite e-mail alle persone che li richiederanno da te, dandoti 5 euro per ognuno di essi (anche se sono gia` in possesso di essi, nel caso di giocatori che rientrano, ma il sistema richiede il pagamento di 5 dollari in cambio di qualcosa). Quando ricevi i 5 report in 5 differenti e-mail, salva ogni report su un floppy disk o CD, affinchè niente vada perso. Se li perdi, non puoi continuare nel sistema, poiche` non hai niente da "vendere" agli altri giocatori. Il costo totale del tuo investimento e`: 5 x 5 euro = 25 euro è una sciocchezza paragonata a quello che riceverai !!! Nel giro di pochi giorni riceverai, come detto, le 5 e-mail con i 5 differenti report in italiano. Mentre aspetti per I 5 report ( numero 1, 2, 3, 4 e 5), prendi questa e-mail, che hai precedentemente salvato nel tuo computer, e fai quanto segue: 1. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 5. Questa persona ha finito il suo turno e stara` contando i suoi 1.5 - 2 miliardi di lire; 2. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 4 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 5; 3. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 3 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 4; 4. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 2 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 3; 5. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 1 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 2; 6. inserisci il tuo nome e indirizzo accanto al report numero 1. Fatto, ora sei ufficialmente nel sistema. Fai attenzione nel ricopiare tutti gli indirizzi: controlla sempre che tutti i nomi e gli indirizzi siano scritti in maniera corretta (specialmente nel caso di giocatori stranieri). Dopo cio`, salva la nuova e-mail nel tuo computer, e fai anche una copia e salvala su un floppy disk o CD. NON FARE ASOLUTAMENTE ALTRE MODIFICHE. Il prossimo passo e` quello di spedire le e-mail a tutte le persone che le stanno ansiosamente aspettando. Quello che devi fare e` spedire questa e-mail, cominciando dalla lista di amici presente nel tuo Microsoft Outlook Express, o software simile, dove tieni la lista di indirizzi e-mail dei tuoi amici. Tu puoi spedire quante e-mail vuoi: il minimo e` 5. 1: Ok, vediamo come funziona. Supponiamo che spedisci 20 e-mail a 20 persone. Pur essendo tutti in attesa di questa e-mail, soltanto 10 di loro trovano il tempo di ordinare il report numero 1 da te. 2: Quelle 10 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 200 e-mail. Di nuovo, pur essendo tutti in attesa di ricevere questa e-mail ed intascare i loro miliardi, soltanto la meta` di loro, 100 persone, ha il tempo di ordinare il report numero 2. 3: Quelle 100 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 2000 e-mail. Stessa storia, solo 1000 di loro trova il tempo di ordinare il report numero 3. 4: Quelle 1000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail ciascuno, per un totale di 20.000 e-mail. Solo 10.000 di loro ordina il report numero 4. 5: Quelle 10.000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 200.000 e-mail. Solo la meta` di loro ordina il report numero 5. Ora, un po' di matematica. Il totale della vincita in questo caso, dove non si ha il pieno potenziale di giocatori, poiche` si presume che soltanto la meta` della meta` della meta`, ecc. Partecipi, e` il seguente: Per il report numero 1: 10 richieste = 10 x 5 euro = 50 euro = 100.000 lire Per il report numero 2: 100 richieste = 100 x 5 euro = 500 euro = 1.000.000 lire Per il report numero 3: 1.000 richieste = 1.000 x 5 euro = 5.000 euro = 10.000.000 lire Per il report numero 4: 10.000 richieste = 10.000 x 5 euro = 50.000 euro = 100.000.000 lire Per il report numero 5: 100.000 richieste = 100.000 x 5 euro = 500.000 euro = 1.000.000.000 lire Totale: 50 + 500 + 5.000 + 50.000 + 500.000 = 555.550 euro, pari a 1.111.100.000 di lire !!!! Questo è il minimo che ognuno vincerà poichè è stato ormai sperimentato e testato negli anni scorsi: ma se ognuno spedisce piu` di 20 e-mail, e cosi` gli altri partecipanti, la vincita avrà proporzioni stratosferiche che nemmeno potete immaginarvi, ma e` possibile allo stesso tempo, senza dubbio, succede tuttora E SPESSO di avere vincite da 12 zeri !!! Questo dipende da te, se hai il tempo e la voglia di spedire e-mail a persone che conosci, o se trovi indirizzi e-mail su vari siti web gratuiti: non farai altro che incrementare il valore della tua vincita. Quando parliamo di una vincita di 1.5 - 2 miliardi di lire ogni 6 settimane, ci riferiamo ad una vincita media (dati forniti dalle varie trasmissioni televisive che hanno fatto ricerche fra I numerosi partecipanti e redatto delle statistiche) fra tutti I giocatori partecipanti. La media di e-mail spedite e` di 5.4 a persona. Ecco perchè possiamo parlare di una vincita "facile", poche` l'unica cosa da fare e` aprire la propria agenda di indirizzi e-mail di amici e conoscenti, e spedire la e-mail con il prorio nome vicino al report numero 1. Se ci pensate, è proprio un gioco da ragazzi !!! Ma se volete ambire ad una vincita incredibile (centinaia di miliardi) avete la possibilità di farlo, E dipende tutto da voi. Vi sono giocatori nel sistema che arrivano a spedire anche 1 milione di e-mail nel giro di un paio di settimane: vi lascio pensare qual'e` l'entita` della loro vincita !!!! PUOI ORDINARE LA TUA LISTA DEI REPORT IN ITALIANO DA: REPORT NUMERO 1 : "Il nuovo, gratuito e-mail software AGM - Completo" Ordina il report numero 1 da: Franco Zadra Viale Lido, 33 38056 LEVICO TERME (TN) _______________________________________________________________________ REPORT NUMERO 2 : "Il completo setup di un nuovo, veloce e gratuito Internet Provider" Italiano Ordina il report numero 2 da: Canella Matteo Via M.Guidoboni 35/1 44100 Ferrara _______________________________________________________________________ REPORT NUMERO 3 : "Che cos'è una 'Circolare Viaggiante' - Teoria, prassi, necessità della Comunicazione Orizzontale" innovativo contributo di Alessandro D'Agostini su come diffondere in modo efficace informazioni libere con la "mlm comunication" Italiano Ordina il report numero 3 da: Filippo Zanotti Via Darsena, 94 44100 Ferrara (FE) _______________________________________________________________________ REPORT NUMERO 4 : "E-mail Adress Extract" Ordina il report numero 4 da: Maria De Bortoli Via XXIV Maggio, 25 34074 MONFALCONE (GO) _______________________________________________________________________ REPORT NUMERO 5 : "Guida pratica al successo con Multilevel Italian System & Manuale in Italiano su come usare al meglio il nuovo, gratuito e-mail software AGM e E-mail Adress Extract" Ordina il report numero 5 da: Alessandro D'Agostini Via Gregorio VII, 375 00165 - Roma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- In bocca al lupo, e buona vincita milionaria a tutti <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ti informiamo che questo non è uno spamming ai sensi della legge 675/96. Se Ti e' arrivata questa lettera è perchè il tuo indirizzo di posta elettronica è stato acquisito da fonti pubblicamente consultabili. Da noi non riceverai altre e-mail. Il Tuo account sarà eliminato dal nostro database. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 8:39:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (h213-110-85.RM.albacom.net [213.213.110.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2F237B420 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "gufi@vincenti.net" Date: gio, 11 apr 2002 17.40.21 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: vuoi davvero vincere con Internet? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020411153549.BF2F237B420@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vorresti davvero Vincere con Internet? Questo Sistema è diverso da tutti gli altri, ti assicuro che dopo averlo compreso a fondo sarà per te IRRESISTIBILE la voglia di partecipare. QUESTO E` SENZA DUBBIO IL GIORNO PIU` FORTUNATO DELLA TUA VITA !!! IMMAGINA COSA POTRESTI FARE CON 750.000 EURO (1.5 - 2 MILIARDI DI LIRE) ... SEI UNO DEI PRIMI FORTUNATI ITALIANI A RICEVERE QUESTA FAMOSA MLM E-MAIL, DELLA QUALE TUTTI STANNO PARLANDO, E DELLA QUALE LA TELEVISIONE E TUTTI I GIORNALI AMERICANI HANNO DEDICATO AMPIO SPAZIO NELLE SCORSE SETTIMANE !!! 1.5 - 2 MILIARDI DI LIRE IN SOLE 6 SETTIMANE !!! GARANTITO !!! FINALMENTE TRADOTTA ANCHE IN ITALIANO, PER IL TUO SUCCESSO !!! UN SISTEMA CHE ANNULLA COMPLETAMENTE TOTOCALCIO, TOTOGOL, LOTTO, ENALOTTO E LOTTERIE VARIE !!! BASTA GIOCARE E SPRECARE SOLDI INUTILMENTE !!! COMINCIA A VINCERE UNA VOLTA PER TUTTE FINO A QUANDO SARAI STUFO DI TUTTI QUEI SOLDI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! E' il caso di cominciare A TIRARE FUORI I SOGNI DAL CASSETTO !!! Immagina di poterti recare alla banca e chiudere quel mutuo sulla casa o appartamento !!! Oppure di prenderti un paio di mesi di vacanza o crociera in uno di quei posti esotici che hai sempre sognato, poi ritorna a casa a decidere cosa fare con piu` di un miliardo ancora a disposizione !!! Questo potrebbe diventare una PURA REALTA`anche per te grazie all'incredibile sistema MLM americano !!! 6 SOLE SETTIMANE: questo e` quanto ci vuole per accumulare un minimo di $750.000 DOLLARI AMERICANI, PARI A UN MILIARDO E MEZZO DI LIRE ITALIANE, o 750.000 EURO. Ti chiedo soltanto un paio di minuti del tuo tempo prezioso e un invito a leggere questa lettera: e ti prometto che quando l' avrai terminata la tua vita sara` gia` cambiata !!! Questa e` la testimonianza di Claudio Tommasi, l'italiano che ha finalmente deciso di tradurre la piu` famosa e-mail oggi in circolazione: "Chi ti scrive e` un italiano, Claudio Tommasi, nato e cresciuto a S. Michele all' Adige, una cittadina alle porte di Trento, nel nord Italia. Mi sono sposato e trasferito negli Stati Uniti nel 1994, dopo un corso estivo al Campus dell' Universita` del nord Colorado, e tuttora vivo con mia moglie e i miei due figli in una bellissima cittadina chiamata Fort Collins, sempre nel nord Colorado. La ragione per cui ti scrivo e` perche` ormai da 5 mesi la mia vita e quella della mia famiglia e` totalmente cambiata. Perche` ??? Ho vinto la bellezza di $712.455 dollari, equivalenti a 1.426.862.000 lire italiane, senza fare assolutamente nulla !!! Quello che e` successo a me succedera` a tutti quelli che decideranno di partecipare all' ormai famoso "MLM American System": E` GARANTITO !!! Perche` e` l'unico sistema al mondo col quale non si puo` perdere, e` impossibile !!!". La sua testimonianza continua sul sito... http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/interventi/ La differenza fra i vecchi sistemi multi livello e questo, e` molto semplice: Il principio è quasi simile a quello utopico del "se ognuno dei 5 miliardi di persone oggi esistenti sulla terra spedisse 1 dollaro a tutti gli altri, vivremmo in un mondo di miliardari". Il fatto e` che non si può costringere qualcuno a versare dei soldi ad un altro individuo. Ecco che il concetto di MLM entra in gioco: ci vuole una rete di giocatori intenzionati a scambiarsi ogni 6 settimane 5 ?uro a testa, collezionando 750.000 ? a turno. Questo e` il semplice segreto di un sistema che non ha eguali in tutto il mondo: MLM American System. Non c'e` nessuna organizzazione dietro MLM che trattiene percentuali come altri sistemi, dove il solo che colleziona denaro e` l'ente che giostra il tutto. MLM e` una rete di oneste persone comuni COME TE che hanno tutto l'interesse di tenere in piedi un sistema che genera benessere per tutti. I soldi contenuti nelle lettere vengono spediti direttamente alle case dei partecipanti, e non raccolti da "'anonimi enti" come in altri sistemi. Su questa e-mail, che sara` la tua lista se decidi di partecipare, ci sono i nominativi di 5 persone comuni come te, provenienti dall'Italia e da tutto il mondo. Come hai letto nella testimonianza di Claudio Tommasi, l'italiano che ha avuto la cortesia di tradurre questa famosa e-mail in italiano, stiamo cercando di far rimanere questa e-mail in Italia. Quindi considera la tua posizione: se cancelli questa e-mail toglierai una grande opportunita` a coloro che stanno aspettando che tu gliela spedisca. Anche se non intendi partecipare, spedisci questa e-mail ad almeno 10 persone. E se intendi partecipare, ti chiediamo cortesemente di farla circolare in Italia, affinché si crei un ciclo di giocatori italiani che entrano ed escono, scambiandosi ricchezza a turno ogni 6 settimane, come in altri paesi. Aiutaci in questo tentativo di creare un "ramo" MLM completamente italiano. Ci e` stato reso noto che la scorsa settimana alcuni giocatori italiani hanno rispedito la e-mail ad amici residenti negli USA, tagliando fuori milioni di giocatori italiani in attesa. Ti chiediamo pertanto di evitare che questa e-mail vada persa. Confidiamo nel tuo impegno, e per questo ti ringraziamo in anticipo. Noi siamo due studenti, A&W (che vogliono mantenere l'anonimato), della facolta' di ingegneria di Povo, Trento, amici d'infanzia di Claudio Tommasi e convinti stimatori di questo incredibile sistema che sta gia`funzionando alla grande per noi. Ti auguriamo un in bocca al lupo e buon divertimento come nuovo euro-milionario !!! COSA SONO I 5 "REPORT" PER ENTRARE NEL GIOCO? Un report e` una serie di informazioni utilissime su come scaricare assolutamente gratis costosi software dall' Internet (che potranno risultare di grande aiuto nella gestione e spedizione ad alta velocita` di e-mail) gestire patrimoni senza pagare tasse, ecc., accuratamente tradotti in italiano. Per ogni report spedisci 5 euro. Per qualsiasi ragione, non spedire MAI moneta, solo banconote, altrimenti dovrai pagare una tariffa postale maggiore, dovuta al peso. Per evitare che i soldi spediti vengano intercettati e rubati, da due anni a questa parte, si e` adottato il sistema di "incartare" la banconota in due fogli di carta formato A4, piegati in tre, come si piegherebbe una semplice lettera da infilare in una busta normale da lettera. Su uno dei due fogli, scrivi in stampatello (meglio se stampato al computer) a caratteri chiari e leggibili, il nome e il numero del report che stai ordinando, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, e il tuo nome e indirizzo postale. Quindi: per ogni report spedisci una banconota del valore di 5 euro incartata fra 2 fogli di carta formato A4, il nome e numero di report richiesto, il tuo indirizzo e-mail, il tuo nome e indirizzo postale. Se non vuoi far apparire il tuo nome e indirizzo sulla lista (anonimato), puoi usare una casella postale come indirizzo, e il nome di una compagnia al posto del tuo nome e cognome (ad esempio: XYZ Servizi, Casella Postale 12345, Roma, Italy). Ricorda di scrivere il tuo indirizzo (mittente) sulla busta, nel caso in cui ci siano difficolta` postali. Quando ordini i report, devi ordinare tutti i 5 report, perchè hai bisogno di "cederli atua volta" tramite e-mail alle persone che li richiederanno da te, dandoti 5 euro per ognuno di essi (anche se sono gia` in possesso di essi, nel caso di giocatori che rientrano, ma il sistema richiede il pagamento di 5 dollari in cambio di qualcosa). Quando ricevi i 5 report in 5 differenti e-mail, salva ogni report su un floppy disk o CD, affinchè niente vada perso. Se li perdi, non puoi continuare nel sistema, poiche` non hai niente da "vendere" agli altri giocatori. Il costo totale del tuo investimento e`: 5 x 5 euro = 25 euro è una sciocchezza paragonata a quello che riceverai !!! Nel giro di pochi giorni riceverai, come detto, le 5 e-mail con i 5 differenti report in italiano. Mentre aspetti per I 5 report ( numero 1, 2, 3, 4 e 5), prendi questa e-mail, che hai precedentemente salvato nel tuo computer, e fai quanto segue: 1. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 5. Questa persona ha finito il suo turno e stara` contando i suoi 1.5 - 2 miliardi di lire; 2. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 4 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 5; 3. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 3 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 4; 4. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 2 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 3; 5. rimuovi il nome e l'indirizzo della persona accanto al report numero 1 e spostala (con copia/taglia e incolla) al numero 2; 6. inserisci il tuo nome e indirizzo accanto al report numero 1. Fatto, ora sei ufficialmente nel sistema. Fai attenzione nel ricopiare tutti gli indirizzi: controlla sempre che tutti i nomi e gli indirizzi siano scritti in maniera corretta (specialmente nel caso di giocatori stranieri). Dopo cio`, salva la nuova e-mail nel tuo computer, e fai anche una copia e salvala su un floppy disk o CD. NON FARE ASOLUTAMENTE ALTRE MODIFICHE. Il prossimo passo e` quello di spedire le e-mail a tutte le persone che le stanno ansiosamente aspettando. Quello che devi fare e` spedire questa e-mail, cominciando dalla lista di amici presente nel tuo Microsoft Outlook Express, o software simile, dove tieni la lista di indirizzi e-mail dei tuoi amici. Tu puoi spedire quante e-mail vuoi: il minimo e` 5. 1: Ok, vediamo come funziona. Supponiamo che spedisci 20 e-mail a 20 persone. Pur essendo tutti in attesa di questa e-mail, soltanto 10 di loro trovano il tempo di ordinare il report numero 1 da te. 2: Quelle 10 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 200 e-mail. Di nuovo, pur essendo tutti in attesa di ricevere questa e-mail ed intascare i loro miliardi, soltanto la meta` di loro, 100 persone, ha il tempo di ordinare il report numero 2. 3: Quelle 100 persone spediscono a loro volta 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 2000 e-mail. Stessa storia, solo 1000 di loro trova il tempo di ordinare il report numero 3. 4: Quelle 1000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail ciascuno, per un totale di 20.000 e-mail. Solo 10.000 di loro ordina il report numero 4. 5: Quelle 10.000 persone spediscono 20 e-mail a testa, per un totale di 200.000 e-mail. Solo la meta` di loro ordina il report numero 5. Ora, un po' di matematica. Il totale della vincita in questo caso, dove non si ha il pieno potenziale di giocatori, poiche` si presume che soltanto la meta` della meta` della meta`, ecc. Partecipi, e` il seguente: Per il report numero 1: 10 richieste = 10 x 5 euro = 50 euro = 100.000 lire Per il report numero 2: 100 richieste = 100 x 5 euro = 500 euro = 1.000.000 lire Per il report numero 3: 1.000 richieste = 1.000 x 5 euro = 5.000 euro = 10.000.000 lire Per il report numero 4: 10.000 richieste = 10.000 x 5 euro = 50.000 euro = 100.000.000 lire Per il report numero 5: 100.000 richieste = 100.000 x 5 euro = 500.000 euro = 1.000.000.000 lire Totale: 50 + 500 + 5.000 + 50.000 + 500.000 = 555.550 euro, pari a 1.111.100.000 di lire !!!! Questo è il minimo che ognuno vincerà poichè è stato ormai sperimentato e testato negli anni scorsi: ma se ognuno spedisce piu` di 20 e-mail, e cosi` gli altri partecipanti, la vincita avrà proporzioni stratosferiche che nemmeno potete immaginarvi, ma e` possibile allo stesso tempo, senza dubbio, succede tuttora E SPESSO di avere vincite da 12 zeri !!! Questo dipende da te, se hai il tempo e la voglia di spedire e-mail a persone che conosci, o se trovi indirizzi e-mail su vari siti web gratuiti: non farai altro che incrementare il valore della tua vincita. Quando parliamo di una vincita di 1.5 - 2 miliardi di lire ogni 6 settimane, ci riferiamo ad una vincita media (dati forniti dalle varie trasmissioni televisive che hanno fatto ricerche fra I numerosi partecipanti e redatto delle statistiche) fra tutti I giocatori partecipanti. La media di e-mail spedite e` di 5.4 a persona. Ecco perchè possiamo parlare di una vincita "facile", poche` l'unica cosa da fare e` aprire la propria agenda di indirizzi e-mail di amici e conoscenti, e spedire la e-mail con il prorio nome vicino al report numero 1. Se ci pensate, è proprio un gioco da ragazzi !!! Ma se volete ambire ad una vincita incredibile (centinaia di miliardi) avete la possibilità di farlo, E dipende tutto da voi. Vi sono giocatori nel sistema che arrivano a spedire anche 1 milione di e-mail nel giro di un paio di settimane: vi lascio pensare qual'e` l'entita` della loro vincita !!!! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 8:41:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4B437B4FB for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020411154033.HTF21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:40:33 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BFeUNk014966; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BFeUWa014965; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204111540.g3BFeUWa014965@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Dennis B." Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: all inclusive list? In-reply-to: <001101c1dff4$18f61800$a9125142@dcc80y46sjdi7z> References: <001101c1dff4$18f61800$a9125142@dcc80y46sjdi7z> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis B." message dated "Tue, 09 Apr 2002 10:26:40 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:40:30 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, "Dennis B." wrote: > Is your http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.5R/hardware-i386.html hardware > notes page an all inclusive list for FreeBSD or just the latest release's > additional supported devices in some cases? It's an list of hardware that we *know* to work. Anything on the list should work with the corresponding release of FreeBSD. Some other hardware may work too...if you have such "other hardware", we can add it to the list. Cheers, Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 8:49:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB9837B41D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020411154931.PXN21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:31 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BFnVNk015385; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BFnUkZ015384; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204111549.g3BFnUkZ015384@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Notes for 4.5 In-reply-to: <3CAA86DE.6030005@tenebras.com> References: <3CAA86DE.6030005@tenebras.com> Comments: In-reply-to Michael Sierchio message dated "Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:36:46 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:30 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, Michael Sierchio wrote: > I suggest adding to the list of supported 802.11 PCMCIA devices: > > NETGEAR MA401 Wireless PC > > which is supported by the wi(4) driver, and is recognized as > > WaveLAN/802.11 Done...thanks! Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 8:49:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FB237B400; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020411154954.HWQR1901.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:49:54 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BFnsNk015393; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BFnsEC015392; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204111549.g3BFnsEC015392@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020404 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Ernst de Haan Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Notes for 4.5 In-reply-to: <200204062028.WAA04978@smtp.hccnet.nl> References: <3CAA86DE.6030005@tenebras.com> <200204062028.WAA04978@smtp.hccnet.nl> Comments: In-reply-to Ernst de Haan message dated "Sat, 06 Apr 2002 22:27:59 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:49:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, Ernst de Haan wrote: > On Wednesday 03 April 2002 06:36, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > I suggest adding to the list of supported 802.11 PCMCIA devices: > > And to the list of ISDN cards the: > > Dynalink IS 64 PPH+ > > This card is slightly different from the Dynalink IS 64 PPH, which is already > in the list of supported ISDN cards, I believe. Added...thanks! Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 9:27: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web14405.mail.yahoo.com (web14405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9A0C37B416 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020411162659.5123.qmail@web14405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.251.169.58] by web14405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:26:59 BST Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:26:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?bram=20khumalo?= Subject: URGENT To: bramkhumalo01@yahoo.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1740492410-1018542419=:99691" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-1740492410-1018542419=:99691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ATTN; I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION.. MY NAME IS MR.EBRAM ANDERSON NATIVE OF CAPETOWN IN SOUTHAFRICA AND A SENIOR EMPPLOYEE OF THE SOUTH AFRICA MINISTRY OF ENERGY AND MINERAL RESOURCES CURRENTLEY HERE IN AMSTERDAM-NETHERLANDS ON A ONE YEAR STUDY LEAVE. I AM WRITING THIS LETTER TO SOLICIT YOUR COORPERATION IN ORDER TO REDEEM AN INVESTMENT INTEREST CURRENTLY BEING HELD UNDER TRUST WITH THE SOUTH AFRICA MINISTRY OF ENERGY AND MINERAL RESOUSES. THE SAID INVESTMENT NOW VALUED AT US$35.500.00 (THIRTY FIVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS) WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED BY ONE MR ROBINSON MOORE LEASED TO THE FREE STATE CONSOLIDATED MINING CORPORATION IN 1975 FOR 25 YEARS. SINCE THE MATURITY OF THIS CONTRACT IN AUGUST 1999,SEVERAL ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT SUCCESS TO CONTACT MR MOORE OR ANY OF HIS CLOSE RELATIVES,IN WHOSE FAVOURE THE INVESTMENT CASH VALUE COULD BE PAID TO. MY PARTNER WHO IS THE ACCOUNT DIRECTOR AT THE MINISTRY OF ENERGY AND MINERAL RESOURCES AND TWO OTHERS COLLEAGUE, HAVE INITIATED THE PROCESS OF FILLING A CLAIM FOR THIS MONEY,WITH THE HOPE OF HAVING THIS FUNDS TRANSFERRED INTO A SAFE OFFSHORE ACCOUNT . WE COULD FILE A CLAIM FOR THIS MONEY WITH THE MINISTRY CLAIMING THAT YOU WERE APPOINTED BY MR MOORE TO BE THE BENEFICIARY TO THIS FUNDS.AS SOON AS THE CLAIM IS APPROVED,THE STATED SUM OF US$35.5MILLION WILL BE TRANSFERED INTO AN ACCOUNT OF YOU CHOICE, AFTER WHICH MY COLLEAGUE AND I, SHALL MEET WITH YOU FOR THE DISBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS. SINCE THE MONEY WILL BE IN YOUR CUSTODY,YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I RECEIVE 70% OF THE TOTAL SUM WHILE YOU KEEP THE REMAINING 30% FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. PLEASE WE URGE YOU TO KEEP THIS AFFAIR VERY CONFIDENTIAL,BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN ACTIVE GOVERNMENT SERVICE. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT MY PARTNERS ARE IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE PAYMENT OF THIS CLAIM POSSIBLE, PROVIDED YOU AGREE TO MEET WITH US AND GIVE US THE GUARANTEE THAT OUR SHARE WILL BE WELL SECURED IN YOUR CARE . BE REST ASSURED THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IN VIEW OF THIS CLAIM . IT IS PERFECTELY SAFE WITH NO RISK INVOLVED,AND IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY ENQUIRY, AS MY PARTNERS WILL BE HANDLING THE CLAIMS DIRECTLY ON YOUR BEHALF IN SOUTH AFRICA. WHAT WE REQUIRE FROM YOU IF YOU ARE INTRESTED TO ASSIST US IS TO PROVIDE US YOUR FULL DETAILS AS IN (1)YOUR FULL NAME (2)YOUR ADDRESS (3)YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS. THESE INFORMATIONS WILL ENABLE US MAKE YOU THE BENEFICIARY OF THE CONSIGNMENTS AND PREPARE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT WILL ENABLE YOU PUT CLAIMS TO THE FUNDS. LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PROMPT REPLY. YOURS TRULY, EBRAM ANDERSON. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalised at My Yahoo!. --0-1740492410-1018542419=:99691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


ATTN;
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION..
MY NAME IS MR.EBRAM ANDERSON NATIVE OF CAPETOWN
IN SOUTHAFRICA AND A SENIOR EMPPLOYEE OF THE SOUTH
AFRICA MINISTRY OF ENERGY AND MINERAL RESOURCES
CURRENTLEY HERE IN AMSTERDAM-NETHERLANDS
ON A ONE YEAR STUDY LEAVE.

I AM WRITING THIS LETTER TO SOLICIT YOUR COORPERATION
IN ORDER TO REDEEM AN INVESTMENT INTEREST CURRENTLY BEING
HELD UNDER TRUST WITH THE SOUTH AFRICA MINISTRY OF ENERGY
AND MINERAL RESOUSES.
THE SAID INVESTMENT NOW VALUED AT US$35.500.00
(THIRTY FIVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS)
WAS ORIGINALLY PURCHASED BY ONE MR ROBINSON MOORE LEASED TO THE
FREE STATE CONSOLIDATED MINING CORPORATION IN 1975 FOR 25 YEARS.
SINCE THE MATURITY OF THIS CONTRACT IN AUGUST
1999,SEVERAL ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITHOUT SUCCESS TO CONTACT
MR MOORE OR ANY OF HIS CLOSE RELATIVES,IN WHOSE FAVOURE THE
INVESTMENT CASH VALUE COULD BE PAID TO.
MY PARTNER WHO IS THE ACCOUNT DIRECTOR AT THE MINISTRY OF ENERGY
AND MINERAL RESOURCES AND TWO OTHERS COLLEAGUE, HAVE INITIATED
THE PROCESS OF FILLING A CLAIM FOR THIS MONEY,WITH THE HOPE OF
HAVING THIS FUNDS TRANSFERRED INTO A SAFE OFFSHORE ACCOUNT .
WE COULD FILE A CLAIM FOR THIS MONEY WITH THE MINISTRY CLAIMING
THAT YOU WERE APPOINTED BY MR MOORE TO BE THE BENEFICIARY TO
THIS FUNDS.AS SOON AS THE CLAIM IS APPROVED,THE STATED SUM OF
US$35.5MILLION WILL BE TRANSFERED INTO AN ACCOUNT OF YOU CHOICE,
AFTER WHICH MY COLLEAGUE AND I, SHALL MEET WITH YOU FOR THE
DISBURSEMENT OF THE FUNDS.
SINCE THE MONEY WILL BE IN YOUR CUSTODY,YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY
TO ENSURE THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I RECEIVE 70% OF THE TOTAL SUM
WHILE YOU KEEP THE REMAINING 30% FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE.
PLEASE WE URGE YOU TO KEEP THIS AFFAIR VERY CONFIDENTIAL,BECAUSE WE
ARE STILL IN ACTIVE GOVERNMENT SERVICE. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT MY
PARTNERS ARE IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE PAYMENT OF THIS CLAIM POSSIBLE,
PROVIDED YOU AGREE TO MEET WITH US AND GIVE US THE GUARANTEE THAT OUR
SHARE WILL BE WELL SECURED IN YOUR CARE .
BE REST ASSURED THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IN VIEW
OF THIS CLAIM . IT IS PERFECTELY SAFE WITH NO RISK INVOLVED,AND IT IS
NOT SUBJECT TO ANY ENQUIRY, AS MY PARTNERS WILL BE HANDLING THE CLAIMS
DIRECTLY ON YOUR BEHALF IN SOUTH AFRICA. WHAT WE REQUIRE FROM YOU IF
YOU ARE INTRESTED TO ASSIST US IS TO PROVIDE US YOUR FULL DETAILS AS IN
(1)YOUR FULL NAME
(2)YOUR ADDRESS
(3)YOUR TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS.

THESE INFORMATIONS WILL ENABLE US MAKE YOU THE BENEFICIARY OF THE
CONSIGNMENTS AND PREPARE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT WILL ENABLE YOU
PUT CLAIMS TO THE FUNDS.

LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PROMPT REPLY.

YOURS TRULY,
EBRAM ANDERSON.





Do You Yahoo!?
Get personalised at My Yahoo!. --0-1740492410-1018542419=:99691-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 11:28:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (cc40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [217.120.131.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92437B405 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [192.168.1.2]) by CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BIS3kC053541 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:28:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BIRsxg020034 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:27:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: (from jochem@localhost) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BIRsIl020033 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:27:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:27:54 +0200 From: Jochem Kossen To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: GNU emacs 21.2 Message-ID: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Be warned: emacs newbie :-) In the documentation primer is recommended to use Emacs as the editor for the documentation project. It is said that PSGML is loaded whenever opening a document ending in .sgml. Now, when i open a document in GNU emacs 21.2, it starts some kind of sgml-mode, but from what others are telling me, it's not PSGML that's loaded. I noticed it too when indention didn't work after inserting the "(setq sgml-mode-hook blah" from the primer into my ~/.emacs. So, i installed the psgml port, and added this (found in the psgml info file): (autoload 'sgml-mode "psgml" "Major mode to edit SGML files." t) (autoload 'xml-mode "psgml" "Major mode to edit XML files." t) Now, after opening a SGML document, i get: File mode specification error: (error "Autoloading failed to define function sgml-mode") Does anyone know what to put in ~/.emacs to get the sgml support completely working? (including correct spacing and indention?) Thanks, Jochem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 12:33:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ABC37B404; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3BJXaZ24786; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204111933.g3BJXaZ24786@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35951: disklabel(8) manual confuses partitions and slices, etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: disklabel(8) manual confuses partitions and slices, etc. State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Thu Apr 11 12:31:22 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: disklabel(8) does need a good bit of work, I am currently chipping away at it. Thanks. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Apr 11 12:31:22 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: disklabel(8) does need a good bit of work, I am currently chipping away at it. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35951 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 12:35:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDC637B400; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020411193532.HYQX21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:35:32 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3BJZWNk087062; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3BJZWK2087061; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204111935.g3BJZWK2087061@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020411 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: Missing mailing list archives? From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:35:32 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It appears that some lists are archived on the "this week" page [1], they might not get archived in directories for the current year [2]. Two examples I can find so far are freebsd-bugbusters and freebsd-vendors. Can we get this fixed? (I haven't a clue how to do this, which is why I'm asking.) Thanks, Bruce. [1] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/mail/current/ [2] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/mail/archive/2002/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 12:37: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E8737B41B; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3BJb2v25379; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204111937.g3BJb2v25379@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35947: disklabel(8) manual missing "2" in example, etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: disklabel(8) manual missing "2" in example, etc. State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Thu Apr 11 12:35:38 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I shall take this disklabel(8) PR also. Thanks Gary! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Apr 11 12:35:38 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I shall take this disklabel(8) PR also. Thanks Gary! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35947 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 12:49:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED5C37B419; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3BJnFF27511; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204111949.g3BJnFF27511@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35688: fdisk(8) page extraneous "being", etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fdisk(8) page extraneous "being", etc. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Apr 11 12:48:32 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I shall handle this one also, thanks for pointing this out Gary. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35688 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 15:27:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA97337B43D for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3A85dN26858; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:05:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:05:38 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Dennis B." Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: all inclusive list? Message-ID: <20020410090538.W30474@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001101c1dff4$18f61800$a9125142@dcc80y46sjdi7z> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2DJuma0xDHN2clgl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <001101c1dff4$18f61800$a9125142@dcc80y46sjdi7z>; from dcswest@flashmail.com on Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:26:40AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2DJuma0xDHN2clgl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:26:40AM -0800, Dennis B. wrote: > Is your http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.5R/hardware-i386.html hardware > notes page an all inclusive list for FreeBSD or just the latest release's > additional supported devices in some cases? It's a list of hardware which we know works. For example. . . > For example, it lists: > Scanners (through SANE) ( uscanner(4) driver) >=20 > a.. Perfection 636U >=20 > b.. HP ScanJet 4100C, 5200C, 6300C If you have another scanner, and it works with FreeBSD, let us know (using send-pr), so that we can update the compatability list. 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Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204120034.g3C0Y4f87274@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/pkg-confirm.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /bin/mkdir -p -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/adduser1.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /bin/mkdir -p -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/adduser2.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /bin/mkdir -p -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/adduser3.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /bin/mkdir -p -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/mainexit.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /bin/mkdir -p -p /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install install -c -o www -g www -m 444 install/edit-inetd-conf.png /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/handbook.html -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html ===> doc/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 $(/usr/bin/xargs < HTML.manifest) /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 book.html /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook ===> doc/books/ppp-primer install -c -o www -g www -m 444 $(/usr/bin/xargs < HTML.manifest) /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer install -c -o www -g www -m 444 book.html /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer install -c -o www -g www -m 444 docbook.css /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ppp-primer /c/www/build/www/en/doc/faq -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq /c/www/build/www/en/doc/handbook -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en -> /c/www/build/www/en/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 ===> relnotes ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1 ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes ===> relnotes/CURRENT/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha /usr/local/bin/jade -V nochunks -ioutput.html -d /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -ioutput.html.images -V %generate-article-toc% -D /usr/obj/c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha -c /c/www/build/www/en/relnotes/../../../doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/www/en/relnotes/../../../doc/share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/iso8879/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -c /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/../../../en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/../../../share/sgml/catalog -t sgml /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/article.sgml > article.html || (/bin/rm -f article.html && false) /usr/local/bin/jade:/c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/../common/../common/new.sgml:3179:20:E: general entity "man.rc.sendmail.8" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/relnotes/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/relnotes/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/relnotes. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 698.43 real 303.46 user 14.17 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 18:35: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5FF37B417 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F9DD816BF; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:04:56 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:04:56 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ceri Davies , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Can you install from tape or can't you ? Message-ID: <20020412110456.B2344@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020410210040.GA73523@submonkey.net> <20020411111008.E54120@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020411102935.GA57959@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020411102935.GA57959@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 11 April 2002 at 11:29:35 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 11:10:08AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 10 April 2002 at 22:00:40 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >>> >>> On www.FreeBSD.org, right on the front page, we're telling the world >>> that you can install FreeBSD from tape. >>> >>> In the FAQ, we're saying that you can, but you might have problems >>> installing 2.1.7. >>> >>> So a few questions : >>> >>> 1) Can you install from tape ? >>> >>> 2) If you can, is the advice in FAQ 3.17 valid for all releases, or >>> just for 2.1.7 ? >>> >>> 3) If it's just 2.1.7, is it time to nix that FAQ yet ? >> >> I've decided that it probably doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that >> nobody has tried in a long time. The safest thing to do would >> obviously be to try it and either succeed or know that the failure was >> due to the fact that it's no longer functional. The second safest >> thing to do would be to say that it's no longer "supported". I've >> taken the corresponding info out of "The Complete FreeBSD". > > I've just checked out the installer, and Tape is an option there, so > I guess that it must be supported still ? That's not a valid assumption. It's possible that it simply hasn't been removed. > The only tape drive I've got here is a scsi one, and I don't have a > scsi card for any of my PCs. > I'll see if I can borrow one before someone ports FreeBSD to the > sparcstation4 :), but if anyone has a tape drive that they're in a > position to use and can check this out, then that would be cool. I'd be interested to know too. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 11 23:22:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06737B416 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3C6Mrf58984 for freebsd-doc; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204120622.g3C6Mrf58984@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/index.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/x18.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/alpha/x237.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/HTML.manifest ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/article.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/docbook.css ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/index.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/x18.html ? relnotes4/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/relnotes/i386/x237.html ===> security ===> commercial ===> docproj ===> news ===> news/1996 ===> news/1997 ===> news/1998 ===> news/1999 ===> news/2000 ===> news/2001 ===> news/status ===> advocacy ===> events ===> events/2002 ===> internal /usr/bin/perl5 /c/www/build/www/en/internal/homepage.pl > homepage.inc /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' homepage.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /c/www/build/www/en/internal > homepage.html || (/bin/rm -f homepage.html && false) /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null homepage.html *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> java ===> java/dists ===> java/docs ===> java/links ===> copyright ===> search ===> gallery ===> projects ===> projects/c99 /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' index.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /c/www/build/www/en/projects/c99 > index.html || (/bin/rm -f index.html && false) /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:96:45:E: general entity "a.standards" not defined and no default entity /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:97:57:E: general entity "a.majordomo" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/projects/c99. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/projects. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 9.22 real 0.51 user 0.26 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 0:25:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C31037B416; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020412072521.EGOM21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:25:21 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3C7PLNk014976; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3C7PLn7014975; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204120725.g3C7PLn7014975@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020411 with nmh-1.0.4 To: mike@freebsd.org, murray@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en/projects/c99 index.sgml In-reply-to: <200204120716.g3C7GOa75474@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200204120716.g3C7GOa75474@freefall.freebsd.org> Comments: In-reply-to "Bruce A. Mah" message dated "Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:16:24 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:25:21 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If memory serves me right, "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > bmah 2002/04/12 00:16:24 PDT > > Modified files: > en/projects/c99 index.sgml > Log: > Unbreak Web build by defining &a.majordomo; and &a.standards; in this > file. Web documents don't have an equivalent (yet) to mailing-lists.ent > for FDP DocBook documents. Three things: 1. Sorry, mike, I know there's a comment saying to pass changes through you. But this was the second straight Web build that was broken (last time, six hour ago, was my fault). You can yell at me if you like. 2. There's an image named c99.jpg that was missing from murray's initial commit. The document seems to want it, but it's not in my checked-out work area. 3. We've been breaking the Web build a lot lately. Some of it is due to people getting sloppy (and I am most definitely one of those people). We all need to be sure to build our documents before committing, especially since mistakes on the Web site can be pretty darned visible. G'night all... Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 0:38:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A93A37B400; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id EAC5D4B66A; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:37:49 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: mike@freebsd.org, murray@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en/projects/c99 index.sgml Message-ID: <20020412073749.GF27498@freebsdmall.com> References: <200204120716.g3C7GOa75474@freefall.freebsd.org> <200204120725.g3C7PLn7014975@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200204120725.g3C7PLn7014975@intruder.bmah.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 12:25:21AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > 2. There's an image named c99.jpg that was missing from murray's > initial commit. The document seems to want it, but it's not in my > checked-out work area. Doh. I've added this file now. > 3. We've been breaking the Web build a lot lately. Some of it is due > to people getting sloppy (and I am most definitely one of those people). > We all need to be sure to build our documents before committing, > especially since mistakes on the Web site can be pretty darned visible. Or more importantly, to check out after commiting and then build again in a clean directory. I certainly always build before committing, but in this case some local changes were not committed. Sorry about that. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 3:20:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624CC37B41E for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CAK1G19185; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E812837B405 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CAAEe17848; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200204121010.g3CAAEe17848@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Farkas To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/37018: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 37018 >Category: docs >Synopsis: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Apr 12 03:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Andy Farkas >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Wed Apr 10 16:47:36 EST 2002 >Description: The HISTORY section of nl_langinfo(3) says: HISTORY The nl_langinfo() function first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6. >How-To-Repeat: man 3 nl_langinfo >Fix: There seems to be confusion about whether the funtion first appeared in FreeBSD 4.4 or FreeBSD 5.0 (see cvs log). Seeing as how this is -STABLE, it should be "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.4". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 5:30:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC637B404; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6021C6176; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:30:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2804947384; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:30:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id C11BE139A1; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:30:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:30:21 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: kuriyama@freebsd.org, logo@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Update to hubs article Message-ID: <20020412123021.GI24607@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, here's another update to the hubs article in: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/article.sgml I've sent part's of this a while ago, but it did not get committed. Anyway, I've updated it according to the recent changes regarding email-adress entities, etc. The patch fixes a little bit of speech and adds another hint section about, when to mirror and reasonable schedules. Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Eddie would go! - Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="article.sgml.diff" --- article.sgml.orig Fri Apr 12 14:15:08 2002 +++ article.sgml Fri Apr 12 14:23:21 2002 @@ -50,7 +50,7 @@ Depending on the set of releases, architectures, and degree of completeness you want to mirror, a huge amount of disk space may be consumed. Also keep in mind, - that official mirrors are probably required to be + that official mirrors are probably required to be complete. The CVS repository and the web pages should always be mirrored completely. Also note, that the numbers stated here, are reflecting the current @@ -101,7 +101,22 @@ indeed consume some CPU. For AnonCVS it can even be required to set up a MFS of at least 300 MB, so you need to take this into account - for your memory requirements. + for your memory requirements. The following + are just examples to give you a very rough hint. + + + For a moderately visited site, that offers + rsync, you might + consider a current CPU with around 800Mhz - 1 GHz, + and at least 512MB RAM. This is probably the + minimum you want for an official + site. + + + For a frequently used site, a Dual Athlon MP 1800, + with 2GB RAM may be more appropriate. + (Ok, this would be a very smooth configuration, + if you put like DDR-RAM into it ... :-)) You also want to consider a fast disk subsystem. @@ -113,9 +128,9 @@ Services to offer This section describes the services that are - required for you to offer, and those that are + required for you to offer and those, that are optional. It also gives hints, which software - can be used to provide this service. + can be used to provide this particular service. FTP (required for FTP fileset) @@ -131,11 +146,11 @@ the path /pub/FreeBSD. - There is lot of software available which + There is a lot of software available which can be set up to allow anonymous FTP (in alphabetical order). - /usr/libexec/ftpd: FreeBSD's own ftpd, + /usr/libexec/ftpd: FreeBSD's own ftpd will probably do a very good job. Be sure to read &man.ftpd.8;. @@ -156,32 +171,33 @@ ftp/twoftpd: same as above ftp/vsftpd: the very secure ftpd - ftp/wu-ftpd: The widely used ftpd from Washington + ftp/wu-ftpd: The widely used ftpd from Washington University. It became sort of infamous, because of the huge amount of security issues that became obvious in wu-ftpd. - It also around for a long time, which can be positive + It is also around for a long time. This can be seen as positive (experience) or negative (lots of bloated code). - FreeBSD's ftpd, proftpd, wu-ftpd and maybe ncftpd are among the + FreeBSD's ftpd, proftpd, + wu-ftpd and maybe ncftpd are among the most used ones. The others are probably not that much widespread.
RSYNC (optional for FTP fileset) - Rsync is often also offered for convenience, for the + Rsync is often also offered for convenience, for the contents of the FTP area of FreeBSD. The protocol is different from FTP in many ways, and - overall, it can be stated, that it is much more - bandwidth friendly, as only differences between files + overall it can be stated, that it is much more + bandwidth friendly, since only differences between files are transferred, not whole files. - Rsync does require significant amount of memory for + Rsync does require significant amount of memory for each instance. The size depends on the size of the synced module in terms of number of directories and - files. Rsync can use rsh and + files. Rsync can use rsh and ssh (now default) as a transport, - or use it's own protocol for stand-alone access + or use it's own transport for stand-alone access (this is the preferred method for public rsync servers). Authentication, connection limits, and other restrictions may be applied. There is just one software package @@ -197,10 +213,10 @@ If you want to offer the FreeBSD webpages, you need to install a webserver a.k.a httpd. You may offer the FTP fileset via HTTP, as well, if you like. - Some argue HTTP is more efficient for download, but + Some argue HTTP is more efficient for downloads, but I cannot tell. The most commonly - used httpd is Apache, although there are others around, - take a look at /usr/ports/www. + used httpd is Apache, although there are others around. + Take a look at /usr/ports/www. www/apache13 @@ -209,19 +225,20 @@ CVSup (desired for CVS repository) - CVSup is a very efficient way of distributing files. - It works similar as rsync, but was specially designed for + CVSup is a very efficient way of distributing files. + It works similar to rsync, but was specially designed for the use with CVS repositories. If you want to offer the FreeBSD CVS repository, you really want to consider - offering it via CVSup. Still it is possible to offer - the CVS repository via AnonCVS, FTP, Rsync or HTTP, but - people would not benefit from CVSup access. - CVSup was developed by &a.jdp;. + offering it via CVSup. Still it is possible to offer + the CVS repository via AnonCVS, FTP, + Rsync or HTTP, but + people would benefit more from CVSup access. + CVSup was developed by &a.jdp;. It is a bit tricky to install on non-FreeBSD platforms, since it is written in Modula-3 and therefore requires - a Modula-3 environmen. John Polstra has built a + a Modula-3 environment. John Polstra has built a stripped down version of M3, that is sufficient to - run CVSup, and can be installed much easier. + run CVSup, and can be installed much easier. See Ezm3 for details. Related ports are: @@ -254,29 +271,26 @@ CVSup is known to eat some CPU on the server as on the client, since it needs to compare lots of files. - - - Please have look at the CVSup - like &man.cvsup.1; and consider using the - option, as it can reduce the amount of work to be done - a lot. - - AnonCVS (optional for CVS repository) If you have the CVS repository, you may want to offer - anonymous CVS access. There is not that much demand for it, + anonymous CVS access. A short warning first: + There is not that much demand for it, and it requires some experience and you need to know, - what you are doing. Generally there are two ways, how + what you are doing. + + + Generally there are two ways, how to access a CVS repository remotely: via pserver or via ssh (we don't consider rsh). For anonymous access, pserver is very well suited, but some still offer ssh - access as well. There is some custom crafted wrapper - program around, to be used as a login-shell for the + access as well. There is a custom crafted + wrapper + in the CVS repository, to be used as a login-shell for the anonymous ssh account. It does a chroot, and therefore requires the CVS repository to be available under the anonymous user's homedirectory, which may not be possible @@ -291,7 +305,7 @@ cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs cvs -f -l -R -T /anoncvstmp --allow-root=/home/ncvs pserver See the manpage for details of the options. See also the cvs info - page, about how additional ways, to make sure, access is read-only. + page, about additional ways to make sure, access is read-only. It is advisable, that you create an unprivileged account, preferrably called anoncvs. Also you need to create a file passwd @@ -352,7 +366,7 @@ ftp/mirror was very popular, but seemed - to have some drawbacks, as its written in perl, + to have some drawbacks, as it is written in &man.perl.1;, and did have real problems on mirroring large directories like a FreeBSD site. There are rumours, that the current version has fixed this, by allowing @@ -360,7 +374,7 @@ the directory structure. - In general FTP is not really good for mirroring, since it transfers + In general FTP is not really good for mirroring, since it transferes each whole file, if it has changed, and does not create a single data stream, that will benefit from a large TCP congestion window. @@ -375,8 +389,8 @@ rsync is already mentioned in . Since rsync access is not - required, your preferred upstream site may not allow it, - but it already widely used, so chances are small, that + required, your preferred upstream site may not allow it. + Since it is quite common, though, chances are small, that you cannot use it. You can always consider using an upstream server, that offers it, just for the benefits of rsync. @@ -387,7 +401,7 @@ machine, most admins impose limitations on their server. For a mirror, you should ask the site maintainer you are syncing from, about their policy, and maybe - an exception for your host, since you are a mirror. + an exception for your host (since you are a mirror). A command line to mirror FreeBSD could look like that: @@ -433,13 +447,21 @@ way to mirror the archive, in terms of efficiency, but it is only available from few sites. In fact I just know ftp-master.freebsd.org for sure. + + + Please have look at the CVSup documentation + like &man.cvsup.1; and consider using the + option, as it can reduce the amount of work to be done + a lot. + +
Mirroring the CVS repository - Again you have various possibilities, but the most + Again you have various possibilies, but the most recommended one, is to use CVSup. @@ -469,6 +491,13 @@ You should also have a look at /usr/share/examples/cvsup + + + Please don't forget to consider the hint, + mentioned in this note + above. + + Using other methods @@ -478,7 +507,7 @@ anyway. Since most sites offer the CVS repository as part of the FTP fileset under the path /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS, - the following methods can of course be used. + the following methods could be used. FTP RSYNC @@ -493,7 +522,7 @@ - AFAICT, you can NOT AnonCVS to + AFAIK, you can NOT use AnonCVS to mirror the CVS repository, since CVS does not allow you to access the repository itself, but only checked out versions of the modules. @@ -591,7 +620,7 @@ The building of the documentation, as well as lots - of side issues is documented itself in: + of side issues, is documented itself in: fdp-primer. Please read this piece of documentation, especially if you have problems, building the documentation. @@ -605,6 +634,52 @@ + + How often should I mirror? + + Every mirror should be updated on a regular + basis. You will certainly need some script + framework for it, that will be called by + &man.cron.8;. Since nearly every admin + does this his own way, we cannot give + specific instructions. It could work + like this: + + + + + Put the command to run your mirroring application + in a script. Use of a plain /bin/sh + script is recommended. + + + + + Add some output redirections, so diagnostic + messages are logged to a file. + + + + + Test, if your script works. Check the logs. + + + + + Use &man.crontab.1; to add the script the + appropriate user's &man.crontab.5;. + + + + + Here are some recommended schedules: + + FTP fileset: daily + CVS repository: daily to hourly + WWW pages: daily + + + Where to mirror from @@ -617,15 +692,15 @@ Mirrors are organised by country. All official mirrors have a DNS entry of the form - ftpX.CC.freebsd.org. Whith + ftpN.CC.freebsd.org. Whith CC (i.e. country code) beeing the top level domain of the country, where this mirror is located; - and X is a number, - telling that the host would be the Xth + and N is a number, + telling that the host would be the Nth mirror in that country. - (Same applies to cvsupX.CC.freebsd.org, - wwwX.CC.freebsd.org, etc.) + (Same applies to cvsupN.CC.freebsd.org, + wwwN.CC.freebsd.org, etc.) There are mirrors with no CC part. These are usually located in the US, but don't need to. ftp.freebsd.org is currently @@ -718,13 +793,12 @@ for access. If you are already an official mirror, this certainly helps you getting access. In any other case make sure your country really needs another mirror. - If it already has three or more, ask - the &a.hubs; first. + If it already has three or more, ask the &a.hubs; first. - There are just two master sites, for the FTP fileset and - for the CVS repository (the webpages and docs are obtained from CVS, - so there is no need for it). + There are just two master sites, one for the FTP fileset and + one for the CVS repository (the webpages and docs are + obtained from CVS, so there is no need for it). ftp-master.freebsd.org @@ -769,7 +843,7 @@ Set up the required authentication by following these instructions. Make sure you specify the server as - freefall.freebsd.org on the cvpasswd + freefall.freebsd.org on the cvpasswd command line, as described in this document, even when you are contacting cvsup-master.freebsd.org @@ -851,7 +925,7 @@ How to become official then? - An interesting questions, especially, since the state + An interesting question, especially, since the state of beeing official comes with some benefits, like a much higher bill from your ISP, as more people will be using your site. Also it may be a key requirement, to get access @@ -889,13 +963,14 @@ If there is no subdomain delegated, yet, for your country, you probably need to contact hostmaster@freebsd.org, - however, you can try the &a.hubs; first. + however, you can try the &a.hubs; + first. - Then you can ask the &a.doc;, or the &a.hubs; to add your - mirror site to the mirror list in the + Then you can ask the &a.doc; or the the &a.hubs; + to add your mirror site to the mirror list in the FreeBSD Handbook. Make sure you tell them the email address, to list as the maintainer of the site. --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 7:20:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0AD37B420 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CEK1G84244; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from frl.nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6C337B400 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by frl.nisser.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 299AEEA92; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20020412141048.299AEEA92@frl.nisser.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:10:48 +0200 (CEST) From: "ing.Roelof Osinga" Reply-To: "ing.Roelof Osinga" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/37021: typo security(7) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 37021 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo security(7) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Apr 12 07:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: ing. Roelof Osinga >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Organization: EBOA >Environment: System: FreeBSD frl.nisser.com 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Sun Feb 3 23:02:43 CET 2002 toor@frl.nisser.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NISSER i386 >Description: " should never give staff members native wheel access by putting the min" Is the line in security(7). The frase "the min" is surely a typo and should read "them in". >How-To-Repeat: % man 7 security | grep "the min" >Fix: see description >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 7:41:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6B537B416; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g3CEexG49203; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:40:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:40:59 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Philippe Charnier Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/make job.c main.c make.1 Message-ID: <20020412144059.GA47739@sunbay.com> References: <200204121323.g3CDNYO71020@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200204121323.g3CDNYO71020@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 06:23:34AM -0700, Philippe Charnier wrote: > charnier 2002/04/12 06:23:34 PDT >=20 > Modified files: > usr.bin/make job.c main.c make.1=20 > Log: [...] > =20 > Use .Pa and .Ar. Uppercase (first letter) programname after dot. > =20 > Revision Changes Path [...] > 1.49 +18 -14 src/usr.bin/make/make.1 >=20 Uppercasing program name is bogus, please don't do that. Program names should appear exactly as typed. An alternate approach is to use this idiom: The =2ENm program For make(1) that would be: =2ESh NAME =2ENm make =2E.. =2ESh DESCRIPTION The =2ENm program is designed to simplify ... Also, the below change is incorrect: : .It Fl f Ar makefile : -Specify a makefile to read instead of the default : +Specify a : +.Ar makefile : +to read instead of the default : .Ql Pa makefile : and : .Ql Pa Makefile . For example, the reader might want what does "make -f foo" means. This now gives him: -f foo Specify a "foo" to read instead of the default "makefile" and "Makefile". IOW, we are talking about "a makefile" here, not "the makefile". In this context this would be right: : .It Fl f Ar makefile : Specify that the : .Ar makefile : file should be read instead of the default : .Ql Pa makefile : and : .Ql Pa Makefile . Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8tvH7Ukv4P6juNwoRAk6HAKCL1Wkvo+QYvrCDGXx7oBgQTyUoSQCgiO9n 8pKXviInzlNgbBFt05IJ1Yw= =TYZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 9:50:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C8E37B400 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85D1BDD6; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27368; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:36 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g3CGo4464946; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Jochem Kossen Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GNU emacs 21.2 References: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 12 Apr 2002 09:50:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jochem Kossen writes: > Now, after opening a SGML document, i get: > File mode specification error: (error "Autoloading failed to define > function sgml-mode") Looks like it couldn't find a psgml.elc (or psgml.el) file which /usr/ports/editors/psgml/pkg-plist indicates should have been installed in /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/psgml/ Did you do as suggested in /usr/ports/editors/psgml/pkg-descr ? > Does anyone know what to put in ~/.emacs to get the sgml support > completely working? (including correct spacing and indention?) Nope. But I've gotten some kind of PSGML running these ports (I didn't know about your psgml port): xemacs-21.1.14 xemacs-basic-mule-packages-1.4 xemacs-comm-packages-2.6 xemacs-oa-packages-1.5 xemacs-packages-2.1 xemacs-prog-packages-2.6 using some extra .emacs-type elisp I probably found on -questions but too long and messed over too badly to bother either of us with. I used to be happy with my HTML editing setup, but now it's all messed up with the confusion over several HTML/SGML/PSGML modes and have been sufferring with really messed up indentation and occasional problems with DTDs, etc. I notice it seems to keep its PSGML code in /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/psgml/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 10:49: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D63637B420; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CHmjH42542; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204121748.g3CHmjH42542@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/34234: restore(8) man page doesn't explain rrestore Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: restore(8) man page doesn't explain rrestore Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 10:48:05 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I shall take care of this one. Thanks Gary! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=34234 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 12:39:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (cc40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [217.120.131.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC7F37B422 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [192.168.1.2]) by CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3CJcgkC061720; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:38:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3CJcX2N030881; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:38:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: (from jochem@localhost) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3CJcWP4030880; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:38:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:38:32 +0200 From: Jochem Kossen To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GNU emacs 21.2 Message-ID: <20020412193832.GA30803@jochem.dyndns.org> References: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 09:50:04AM -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Jochem Kossen writes: > > > Now, after opening a SGML document, i get: > > File mode specification error: (error "Autoloading failed to define > > function sgml-mode") > > Looks like it couldn't find a psgml.elc (or psgml.el) file which > /usr/ports/editors/psgml/pkg-plist indicates should have been installed > in /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/psgml/ > Did you do as suggested in /usr/ports/editors/psgml/pkg-descr ? Yes we (another user was trying it out too) found that part later on ;) We thought the message should actually be in pkg-message but that's a whole other story ;) GNU emacs seemed to do strange things on my machine, so i deinstalled it this morning. > > Does anyone know what to put in ~/.emacs to get the sgml support > > completely working? (including correct spacing and indention?) > > Nope. But I've gotten some kind of PSGML running these ports (I didn't > know about your psgml port): > > xemacs-21.1.14 > xemacs-basic-mule-packages-1.4 > xemacs-comm-packages-2.6 > xemacs-oa-packages-1.5 > xemacs-packages-2.1 > xemacs-prog-packages-2.6 > > using some extra .emacs-type elisp I probably found on -questions but > too long and messed over too badly to bother either of us with. I used > to be happy with my HTML editing setup, but now it's all messed up with > the confusion over several HTML/SGML/PSGML modes and have been > sufferring with really messed up indentation and occasional problems > with DTDs, etc. I notice it seems to keep its PSGML code in > /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/psgml/ > This afternoon i installed xemacs, and xemacs-mule-psgml, and that seems to work perfectly, the auto indention is real neat so the problem is actually solved :) Here's what i added to my ~/.emacs for it to work: (require 'psgml-startup) (setq sgml-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fill-column 70 indent-tabs-mode nil next-line-add-newlines nil standard-indent 2) (auto-fill-mode t))) Thanks for the responds! jk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 12:50:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D997237B428; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CJnvA70995; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204121949.g3CJnvA70995@freefall.freebsd.org> To: roelof@nisser.com, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37021: typo security(7) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo security(7) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 12:48:04 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I have checked CURRENT, STABLE, and even my workstation, it seems to have been fixed. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37021 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 13:44:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4308D37B416; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CKiuK84667; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204122044.g3CKiuK84667@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/34248: dump(8) man page block/record/other clarifications. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: dump(8) man page block/record/other clarifications. State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 13:44:15 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I will take care of this, thanks Gary. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 13:44:15 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will take care of this, thanks Gary. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=34248 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 14:58:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E932B37B400; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CLwBT98324; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204122158.g3CLwBT98324@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35948: disklabel(8) manual uses archaic "pack" and "packid". Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: disklabel(8) manual uses archaic "pack" and "packid". Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 14:57:13 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: It appears that I have missed a disklabel(8) PR, thanks to Giorgos Keramidas for pointing this out to me. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35948 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 15: 0:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA7D37B47B; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CM0GH98693; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204122200.g3CM0GH98693@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35651: mount(8) man page contains references to LFS Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: mount(8) man page contains references to LFS Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 14:59:46 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take care of this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35651 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 15: 7:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CF637B419; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3CM7mU03584; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204122207.g3CM7mU03584@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36985: [PATCH] - Various fixes for the tap(4) manual page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] - Various fixes for the tap(4) manual page State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 15:06:50 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Applied to CURRENT, I'll apply this to STABLE in 4 days, thanks for the submission! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 15:06:50 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Applied to CURRENT, I'll apply this to STABLE in 4 days, thanks for the submission! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36985 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 15:48:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109A37B405 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEECBD99; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02176; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:48:26 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g3CMlrL69234; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Jochem Kossen Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GNU emacs 21.2 References: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> <20020412193832.GA30803@jochem.dyndns.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 12 Apr 2002 15:47:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020412193832.GA30803@jochem.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jochem Kossen writes: > This afternoon i installed xemacs, and xemacs-mule-psgml, and that seems > to work perfectly, the auto indention is real neat so the problem is > actually solved :) Can you say more about xemacs-mule-psgml? I don't see it on my system and I thought "mule" stuff was only needed for Japanese or something. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 16:29:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (cc40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [217.120.131.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FFF37B400 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com [192.168.1.2]) by CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3CNTZkC064916; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:29:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: from lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3CNTN2N035775; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:29:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jochem@lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com) Received: (from jochem@localhost) by lisa.CC40670-a.groni1.gr.nl.home.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3CNTNgF035774; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:29:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:29:23 +0200 From: Jochem Kossen To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GNU emacs 21.2 Message-ID: <20020412232923.GA35741@jochem.dyndns.org> References: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> <20020412193832.GA30803@jochem.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 03:47:53PM -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Jochem Kossen writes: > > > This afternoon i installed xemacs, and xemacs-mule-psgml, and that seems > > to work perfectly, the auto indention is real neat so the problem is > > actually solved :) > > Can you say more about xemacs-mule-psgml? I don't see it on my system > and I thought "mule" stuff was only needed for Japanese or something. > Well, basically, without xemacs-mule-psgml, psgml wouldn't work for me. According to the xemacs.org website, MULE is for complete internationalization, so not only japanese. Since there is no xemacs-psgml without mule, i took this one, and it worked :) Now, with psgml loaded, i can press [tab] to indent the lines, with only one tab press, the line moves to it's right position wether it would normally need more tabs or not. This is the one feature which makes me love psgml ;) Also, the "C-c e" command for inserting new elements is real nice. There are a few other handy keys like that which come with it too... I don't know if this all is possible with the packages you mentioned, but i'd rather use one small package than 5 or six packages...Do your packages provide anything else which is handy for editing Docbook? jk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 17: 5:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F8637B419; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D04vc21960; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204130004.g3D04vc21960@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37030: Addition to PPPoA section of the Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Addition to PPPoA section of the Handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-ports->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 17:04:37 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Doc stuff. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37030 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 17:42:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A4337B416; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D0gRT33965; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:42:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204130042.g3D0gRT33965@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dominic_marks@btinternet.com, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37030: Addition to PPPoA section of the Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Addition to PPPoA section of the Handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 17:40:57 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Added in rev:1.71 of file doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ppp-and-slip/chapter.sgml Thanks for a wonderful SGML text. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 17:40:57 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37030 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 21:30: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFE237B405 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D4U2i74937; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204130430.g3D4U2i74937@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/37018: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/37018; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37018: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:26:36 +0000 Andy Farkas wrote: > >Description: > The HISTORY section of nl_langinfo(3) says: > > HISTORY > The nl_langinfo() function first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6. > > >Fix: > There seems to be confusion about whether the funtion first appeared in > FreeBSD 4.4 or FreeBSD 5.0 (see cvs log). Seeing as how this is -STABLE, > it should be "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.4". Why 4.4? -STABLE is currently 4.5, so did you mean that? Either way, the version numbers after "FreeBSD" in manual pages are assumed to be release versions, and this function was not present in the last release (4.5); hence it appeared (will appear) in 4.6. -CURRENT said it appeared in 5.0 until a few minutes ago (i.e., I just fixed it). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 23: 2:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE5737B419; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D62Pg87772; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204130602.g3D62Pg87772@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andyf@speednet.com.au, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37018: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: nl_langinfo(3) "first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6" State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Fri Apr 12 23:01:46 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Originator is satisfied with my explanation. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37018 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 12 23:40:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B9937B419 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D6e1B97863; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from green.shallow.net (c16486.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.224.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C142337B405 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by green.shallow.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E80663EDF; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:09:02 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <20020413060902.E80663EDF@green.shallow.net> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:09:02 +1000 (EST) From: Joshua Goodall Reply-To: Joshua Goodall To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/37032: make.conf.5 typo re BDECFLAGS Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 37032 >Category: docs >Synopsis: make.conf.5 typo re BDECFLAGS >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Apr 12 23:40:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joshua Goodall >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD green.shallow.net 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #3: Sat Apr 6 23:01:47 EST 2002 joshua@green.shallow.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GREEN i386 >Description: make.conf.5 says: ... BDECFLAGS is provided as a set of gcc(1) settings suggested by Bruce Evans for developing and testing changes. They can be used, if set, by: CXFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS} ... This almost certainly supposed to say CFLAGS. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: share/man/man5/make.conf.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.39 diff -u -r1.39 make.conf.5 --- share/man/man5/make.conf.5 21 Mar 2002 09:15:39 -0000 1.39 +++ share/man/man5/make.conf.5 13 Apr 2002 04:03:25 -0000 @@ -109,7 +109,7 @@ They can be used, if set, by: .Pp .Bd -literal -offset indent -CXFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS} +CFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS} .Ed .It Va CVS_UPDATE .Pq Vt bool >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 2: 7:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F18037B400; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3D97pd25958; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204130907.g3D97pd25958@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joshua@roughtrade.net, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37032: make.conf.5 typo re BDECFLAGS Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: make.conf.5 typo re BDECFLAGS State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 13 02:07:24 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37032 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 5:40:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C9437B416 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DCe1S71582; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.130.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D8E37B400; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 340B86AA; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:34:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <20020413123407.340B86AA@host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:34:07 +0100 (BST) From: Dominic Marks Reply-To: Dominic Marks To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: keramida@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 37037 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Apr 13 05:40:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dominic Marks >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Organization: Student >Environment: System: FreeBSD gallium 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #2: Mon Apr 8 21:19:28 BST 2002 dom@gallium:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GALLIUM i386 >Description: Most of my changes are relating to the text. Changing the sentences so they flow better, correcting spelling mistakes and so on. Some increased application of the right DocBook tags has also been done. I also spent time reworking the lines so that the wrap less or when they do in a cleaner fashion which makes this file easier to edit. The original file also contains a lot of ambigous statements, using words like "maybe", "probably" and so on. I have attempted to replace these with factual statements where possible. Please give the spelling, grammar and SGML a good checking, since I am likely to have made some mistakes. Thanks. >How-To-Repeat: NA. >Fix: ? article.html ? docbook.css Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -3 -r1.13 article.sgml --- article.sgml 2002/04/01 01:45:14 1.13 +++ article.sgml 2002/04/13 12:28:23 @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ Valentino Vaschetto -
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@@ -57,8 +57,7 @@ state (at 4.5-RELEASE). Further development and releases will only increase the required amount. Also make sure, to keep some (ca. 10-20%) extra space - around, just to be sure. - Here are some approximate figures: + around, just to be sure. Here are some approximate figures:
Full FTP Distribution: 60 GB @@ -80,11 +79,13 @@ estimates here: - Local site, no public access: basically no minimum, - but I guess < 2 Mbps make syncing a pain. - Unofficial public site: 34 Mbps is probably a good start - Official site: > 100 Mbps is recommended, also your host - should be connected as close as possible to your border router + Local site, no public access: basically no + minimum. + Unofficial public site: 34 Mbps is a good + start. + Official site: > 100 Mbps is recommended, also + your host should be connected as close as possible to your border + router.
@@ -99,110 +100,120 @@ impact on CPU and memory requirements. Especially rsync is considered a memory hog, and CVSup does indeed consume some CPU. For AnonCVS it can - even be required to set up a MFS of at least - 300 MB, so you need to take this into account - for your memory requirements. + even be required to set up a Memory resident filesystem + (MFS) of at least 300 MB, so you need to take this into + account for your memory requirements. You also want to consider a fast disk subsystem. Operations on the CVS repository require a fast - disk subsystem (RAID is greatly advised). - + disk subsystem (RAID is greatly advised). A SCSI + controller that has a cache of its own will also + be of value since most of these services incur a + very large number of small modifications to the disk. + + You may also like to experiment with enlarging the portion + of system memory which is used for the filesystem buffer cache. + This will also help to reduce the quantity of disk access. This + can be done with the BUFCACHEPERCENT kernel option. The default is + to use 5% of system memory. Services to offer - - This section describes the services that are - required for you to offer, and those that are - optional. It also gives hints, which software - can be used to provide this service. - + Every mirror site is required to have a set of core services + available. Optionally you can also add additional services. This + section explains which services you can provide and how to go + about implementing them. FTP (required for FTP fileset) - This is one of the most basic services, and - it is required for each mirror, offering public - FTP distributions. FTP access must be - anonymous, and no upload/download ratios - are allowed (a ridicilous thing anyway). - Upload capability is not required (and should - never be allowed for the FreeBSD file space). - Also the FreeBSD archive should be available under - the path /pub/FreeBSD. + This is one of the most basic services, and it is required for + each mirror, offering public FTP distributions. FTP access must + be anonymous, and no upload/download ratios are allowed (a + ridiculous thing anyway). Upload capability is not required (and + must never be allowed for the FreeBSD file + space). Also the FreeBSD archive should be available under the + path /pub/FreeBSD. - There is lot of software available which - can be set up to allow anonymous FTP - (in alphabetical order). + There is lot of software available which can be set up to allow + anonymous FTP (in alphabetical order). - /usr/libexec/ftpd: FreeBSD's own ftpd, - will probably do a very good job. Be sure to read &man.ftpd.8;. - - - ftp/ncftpd: a commercial package, free for - educational institutions. - - - ftp/oftpd: an ftpd designed with - security as a main focus. - - - ftp/proftpd: a modular and very flexible ftpd. - - - ftp/pure-ftpd: another ftpd developed with - security in mind. - - ftp/twoftpd: same as above - ftp/vsftpd: the very secure ftpd - - ftp/wu-ftpd: The widely used ftpd from Washington - University. It became sort of infamous, because of the huge - amount of security issues that became obvious in wu-ftpd. - It also around for a long time, which can be positive - (experience) or negative (lots of bloated code). - + /usr/libexec/ftpd: + FreeBSD's own ftpd, can be used. Be + sure to read &man.ftpd.8;. + ftp/ncftpd: + A commercial application. Available free for educational + purposes. + ftp/oftpd: + An ftpd designed with security as a main focus. + ftp/proftpd: + A modular and very flexible ftpd. + ftp/pure-ftpd: + Another ftpd developed with security in mind. + ftp/twoftpd: + As above. + ftp/vsftpd: + The very secure ftpd. + ftp/wu-ftpd: + The ftpd from Washington University. It has become infamous + because of the huge number of security issues that have been + found in it. If you do choose to use this software be sure to + keep it up to date. - FreeBSD's ftpd, proftpd, wu-ftpd and maybe ncftpd are among the - most used ones. The others are probably not that much widespread. + + FreeBSD's ftpd, proftpd, wu-ftpd and ncftpd are among the most + commonly used. The others do not have a large userbase among + mirror sites. - RSYNC (optional for FTP fileset) + rsync (optional for FTP fileset) - Rsync is often also offered for convenience, for the - contents of the FTP area of FreeBSD. The - protocol is different from FTP in many ways, and - overall, it can be stated, that it is much more - bandwidth friendly, as only differences between files - are transferred, not whole files. - Rsync does require significant amount of memory for + rsync is often also offered for convenience, for the contents + of the FTP area of FreeBSD. The protocol is different from + FTP, specifically, it requires much less bandwidth, as only + transfers the differences between files. + rsync does require significant amount of memory for each instance. The size depends on the size of the synced module in terms of number of directories and - files. Rsync can use rsh and + files. rsync can use rsh and ssh (now default) as a transport, or use it's own protocol for stand-alone access (this is the preferred method for public rsync servers). Authentication, connection limits, and other restrictions - may be applied. There is just one software package - available: + may be applied. At the time of writing there is just one + software package available: - net/rsync + net/rsync + HTTP (required for webpages, optional for FTP fileset) - If you want to offer the FreeBSD webpages, you need - to install a webserver a.k.a httpd. You may offer - the FTP fileset via HTTP, as well, if you like. - Some argue HTTP is more efficient for download, but - I cannot tell. The most commonly - used httpd is Apache, although there are others around, - take a look at /usr/ports/www. + If you want to offer the FreeBSD webpages, you need to + install a webserver. You may offer the FTP fileset via HTTP, + optionally. You may use your own choice of Webserver software. - www/apache13 + www/apache13: + Apache is the most widely deployed Webserver on the Internet. It + is used extensively by the FreeBSD Project. You may also + wish to use the next generation of the Apache Webserver, + available in the ports collection as www/apache2. + www/thttpd: + If you are going to be serving a lot amount of static content + you may find that using an application such as tHttpd is more + efficent than Apache. It is optimized for excellent performance + on FreeBSD. + www/boa: + Boa is another alternative to tHttpd and Apache. It should + provide considerably better performance than Apache for purely + static content. It does not, at the time of writing, contain the + same set of optimizations for FreeBSD that are found in tHttpd. + @@ -214,7 +225,7 @@ the use with CVS repositories. If you want to offer the FreeBSD CVS repository, you really want to consider offering it via CVSup. Still it is possible to offer - the CVS repository via AnonCVS, FTP, Rsync or HTTP, but + the CVS repository via AnonCVS, FTP, rsync or HTTP, but people would not benefit from CVSup access. CVSup was developed by &a.jdp;. It is a bit tricky to install on non-FreeBSD platforms, @@ -222,44 +233,49 @@ a Modula-3 environmen. John Polstra has built a stripped down version of M3, that is sufficient to run CVSup, and can be installed much easier. - See Ezm3 - for details. Related ports are: + See Ezm3 + for details. Related ports are: - net/cvsup: The native CVSup port (client and server) - which requires lang/ezm3 now. + + net/cvsup + : The native CVSup port (client and server) which + requires lang/ezm3 + now. + - net/cvsup-mirror: The CVSup mirror kit, which requires - net/cvsup, and configures it mirror-ready. Some - site administrators may want a different setup, though. + + net/cvsup-mirror + : The CVSup mirror kit, which requires + net/cvsup, and + configures it for use as a mirror. Some site administrators + may require a different setup. - - There are a few more like net/cvsupit and - net/cvsup-without-gui you might want to have - a look at. If you prefer a static binary package, take a look - here. - This page stil refers to the S1G bug, that was present - in CVSup. Maybe - John will setup a generic download-site to get - static binaries for various platforms. + Further information about CVSup can + be found its website. + - It is possible to use CVSup to offer - any kind of fileset, not just CVS repositories, - but configuration can be complex. - CVSup is known to eat some CPU on the server as on the - client, since it needs to compare lots of files. + It is possible to use CVSup to offer any kind of fileset, not + just CVS repositories, but configuration can be complex. + CVSup is more intensive to run on + both the server and client than the other distribution + methods. However it is significantly faster and consumes a lot + less bandwidth than the FTP service. Please have look at the CVSup - like &man.cvsup.1; and consider using the - option, as it can reduce the amount of work to be done - a lot. + documentation, for example &man.cvsup.1; and consider using the + option, as it can reduce the workload + considerably. @@ -274,10 +290,10 @@ pserver or via ssh (we don't consider rsh). For anonymous access, pserver is - very well suited, but some still offer ssh - access as well. There is some custom crafted wrapper - program around, to be used as a login-shell for the - anonymous ssh account. It does a chroot, and therefore + very well suited, but it is possible to offer + ssh access as well. For the + ssh service you can use a login wrapper to + secure the anonymous account. It does a chroot, and therefore requires the CVS repository to be available under the anonymous user's homedirectory, which may not be possible for all sites. If you just offer pserver @@ -287,28 +303,30 @@ FreeBSD. You need to enable access via inetd, so add an entry into your /etc/inetd.conf like this: - -cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs cvs -f -l -R -T /anoncvstmp --allow-root=/home/ncvs pserver + cvspserver stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/cvs cvs -f -l -R -T /anoncvstmp --allow-root=/home/ncvs pserver - See the manpage for details of the options. See also the cvs info - page, about how additional ways, to make sure, access is read-only. - It is advisable, that you create an unprivileged account, - preferrably called anoncvs. - Also you need to create a file passwd - in your /home/ncvs/CVSROOT and assign a - CVS password (empty or anoncvs) to that user. - The directory /anoncvstmp is a special - purpose memory based filesystem. It is not required but - advised, since &man.cvs.1; creates a shadow directory - structure in your /tmp which is - not used after the operation, but slows things - dramatically, if real disk operations are required. - Here is an excerpt from /etc/fstab, - how to set up such a MFS: - -/dev/da0s1b /anoncvstmp mfs rw,-s=786432,-b=4096,-f=512,-i=560,-c=3,-m=0,nosuid,nodev 0 0 + See the manpage for details of the options. See also the cvs + info page, about how additional ways, to + make sure, access is read-only. It is advisable, that you create + an unprivileged account, preferrably called + anoncvs. Also you need to create a file + passwd in your mirror's + CVSROOT subdirectory and assign a CVS password + (empty or anoncvs) to that user. The + example directory /anoncvstmp is a special + purpose memory based filesystem. It is not required but advised, + since &man.cvs.1; creates a shadow directory structure in your + /tmp which is not used after the operation, + but slows things dramatically, if real disk operations are required. + Here is an excerpt from /etc/fstab, how to set + up such a MFS: + /dev/da0s1b /anoncvstmp mfs rw,-s=786432,-b=4096,-f=512,-i=560,-c=3,-m=0,nosuid,nodev 0 0 - This is (of course) tuned a lot, and was suggested by &a.jdp;. + Enabling SoftUpdates on a conventional + /tmp location, or mounting it with the + mode in /etc/fstab + should also help to improve performance marginally. + This was suggested by &a.jdp;. @@ -316,70 +334,86 @@ How to mirror FreeBSD - Ok now, you know the requirements, and how to offer - the services, but not how to get it. :-) - This section explains how to actually mirror - the various parts of FreeBSD, what tools to use, - and where to mirror from. + Ok now, you know the requirements, and how to offer the services, + but not how to get it. This section explains how to actually mirror + the various parts of FreeBSD, what tools to use, and where to mirror + from. FTP - The FTP area is the largest amount of data, that - needs to be mirrored. It includes the distributions - sets, required for network installation, the - branches, that are actually snapshots - of checked-out source trees, the ISO Images - to write CD-Roms with the installation distribution, - a live filesystem, and lots of packages, the ports tree, - distfiles and a huge amount of packages. All of course - for various FreeBSD versions, and i386 - and alpha architecture. + The FTP area is the largest amount of data, that needs to be + mirrored. It includes the distributions sets, + required for network installation, the + branches, the ISO Images + for making CD-Roms with the installation distribution, a live + filesystem, and lots of packages, the ports tree, and distfiles. + All of course for various FreeBSD versions, and + i386 and alpha + architectures. + + You can expect the amount of space required by the FTP + distribution to grow in size as the number of ports and + supported architectures grows. + With FTP mirror - - You can use a FTP mirror - program, to get the files. There are a lot around, and - widely used, like: + You can use a FTP mirror + program, to get the files. There are a lot around, and widely + used, like: - ftp/mirror - ftp/ftpmirror - ftp/emirror - ftp/spegla - ftp/omi - some even use ftp/wget + + + ftp/mirror + + + + + ftp/ftpmirror + + + + + ftp/emirror + + + + + ftp/spegla + + + + + ftp/omi + + + + + ftp/wget + + - - ftp/mirror was very popular, but seemed - to have some drawbacks, as its written in perl, - and did have real problems on mirroring large - directories like a FreeBSD site. There are rumours, that - the current version has fixed this, by allowing - to specify a different algorithm for comparing - the directory structure. - In general FTP is not really good for mirroring, since it transfers - each whole file, if it has changed, and does - not create a single data stream, that will benefit from - a large TCP congestion window. + FTP is not good for mirroring, since it transfers each whole file, + if it has changed, and does not create a single data stream, that + will benefit from a large TCP congestion window. - With RSYNC + With rsync - A better way, to mirror the FTP area is rsync. - You can install the port net/rsync and then use - rsync to sync with your upstream host. - rsync is already mentioned - in . - Since rsync access is not - required, your preferred upstream site may not allow it, - but it already widely used, so chances are small, that - you cannot use it. You can always consider using an - upstream server, that offers it, just for the benefits - of rsync. + A better way, to mirror the FTP area is + rsync. You can install the port + net/rsync and then use + rsync to sync with your upstream host. + rsync is already mentioned in + . Since + rsync access is not required, + your preferred upstream site may not allow it. In this case + you can consider using an upstream server, that offers it, + for the benefits of rsync. Since the number of rsync @@ -396,8 +430,7 @@ Consult the documentation for rsync, which is also available at http://rsync.samba.org/ - about the various options to be used with rsync. - Also you might + about the various options to be used with rsync. Also you might want to set up a script framework, that calls such a command via &man.cron.8;. @@ -405,12 +438,14 @@ With CVSup - A few sites, including the one-and-only ftp-master.freebsd.org - even offer CVSup to mirror the contents of - the FTP space. You need to install a cvsup - client, preferrably from the port: net/cvsup. - (Also reread .) - A sample supfile, suitable for ftp-master.freebsd.org + A few sites, including the one-and-only + ftp-master.freebsd.org even offer + CVSup to mirror the contents of the + FTP space. You need to install a CVSup + client, preferrably from the port: + net/cvsup-without-gui. + (Also reread .) A sample supfile, + suitable for ftp-master.freebsd.org looks like this: # @@ -429,27 +464,27 @@ FreeBSD-archive release=all preserve - It seems CVSup would be the best - way to mirror the archive, in terms of efficiency, but - it is only available from few sites. In fact I just know - ftp-master.freebsd.org for sure. + Distribution via CVSup is only + available from certain sites. Mirroring the CVS repository - Again you have various possibilities, but the most - recommended one, is to use CVSup. + Again you have various possibilities, but using + CVSup is reccomended. Using CVSup CVSup was already described to some - detail in and . + detail in and + . - Here we just describe an example to set up the supfile: + Here we just describe an example to set up the + supfile: # # FreeBSD CVS supfile from master server @@ -467,36 +502,42 @@ cvs-all - You should also have a look at /usr/share/examples/cvsup + You should also have a look at the sample files available in + /usr/share/examples/cvsup/. Using other methods - Using other methods than CVSup is + Using other methods than CVSup are generally not recommended. We describe them in short here - anyway. Since most sites offer the CVS repository as - part of the FTP fileset under the path - /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS, - the following methods can of course be used. + anyway. Since most sites offer the CVS repository as part of + the FTP fileset under the path + /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS, the + following methods can of course be used. - FTP - RSYNC - maybe even HTTP + + + FTP + + + + + rsync + + If you find a site, that supports it, you could use - net/sup, but it is inferior to CVSup - and it's deficiencies caused John Polstra to develop - CVSup in the first place, so - it is clearly not recommended. + net/sup, but it is inferior + to CVSup and it's deficiencies + caused &a.jdp; to develop CVSup in the + first place, so it is clearly not recommended. - AFAICT, you can NOT AnonCVS to - mirror the CVS repository, since CVS does not allow - you to access the repository itself, but only checked - out versions of the modules. + To mirror the AnonCVS repository you will need to use a + method other than CVS. @@ -513,14 +554,14 @@ on a regular basis, maybe just after your repository was updated. Of course, the files need to remain in a directory, available for public WWW access. The installation and configuration of a - webserver is not discussed here. + webserver is not diskussed here. If you don't have a local repository, you can use - CVSup to maintain an up to date copy - of the www pages. A sample supfile can be found in + CVSup to maintain an up to date + copy of the www pages. A sample supfile can be found in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/www-supfile and - could look like this: + looks like this: # # WWW module supfile for FreeBSD @@ -539,8 +580,9 @@ - Using ftp/wget or other web-mirror tools, is - probably not recommended. + Using ftp/wget to index and + mirror the data using FTP or HTTP is not + reccomended. Mirroring the FreeBSD documentation @@ -548,7 +590,7 @@ As the documentation is referenced a lot from the webpages, it is recommended, that you mirror the FreeBSD documentation as well. However, this is not - so trivial as the www-pages alone. + as easy to do. First of all, you should get the doc sources, @@ -573,35 +615,27 @@ - Then you need to install a couple of ports. - You are lucky, that there is a meta-port: - textproc/docproj to do the work - for you. You need to setup some - environment variables, like - SGML_CATALOG_FILES, - also have a look at your /etc/make.conf - (copy /etc/defaults/make.conf if - you don't have one), and look at the - DOC_LANG variable. - Now you are probably ready to run make - in you doc directory (/usr/share/doc - by default) and build the documentation. - Again you need to make it accessible for your webserver - and make sure, the links point to the right location. + Then you need to install a couple of ports. You are lucky, that + there is a meta-port: + textproc/docproj to do the work + for you. You need to setup some environment variables, like + SGML_CATALOG_FILES, also have a look at your + /etc/make.conf (copy + /etc/defaults/make.conf if you do not have + a /etc/make.conf), and look at the + DOC_LANG variable. Now you are probably ready + to run make in you doc directory + (/usr/share/doc by default) and build the + documentation. Again you need to make it accessible for your + webserver and make sure, the links point to the right location. - The building of the documentation, as well as lots - of side issues is documented itself in: - fdp-primer. + The building of the documentation, as well as lots of side + issues is documented itself in: fdp-primer. Please read this piece of documentation, especially if you have problems, building the documentation. - - - XXX MAYBE THIS CAN BE LINKED FROM WITHIN - NOT USING AN ABSOLUTE URL XXX - - @@ -609,28 +643,28 @@ Where to mirror from - This is an important issue. So this section will - spend some effort to explain the backgrounds. + This is an important issue. So this section will spend some effort + to explain the issues you must consider. A few words about the organisation Mirrors are organised by country. All official mirrors have a DNS entry of the form - ftpX.CC.freebsd.org. Whith - CC (i.e. country code) beeing the + ftpX.CC.freebsd.org. Where + CC (i.e. country code) is the top level domain of the country, where this mirror is located; and X is a number, telling that the host would be the Xth mirror in that country. - (Same applies to cvsupX.CC.freebsd.org, - wwwX.CC.freebsd.org, etc.) + (Same applies to cvsupX.CC.freebsd.org, + wwwX.CC.freebsd.org, etc.) There are mirrors with no CC part. - These are usually located in the US, but don't need to. - ftp.freebsd.org is currently - located in Denmark and just another mirror - (i.e. it is NO master site). + These are usually located in the US, but it is not a requirement. + ftp.freebsd.org is currently located + in Denmark and is just another mirror (i.e. it is + not the master site). Additionally there exists a hierarchy of mirrors, which @@ -638,56 +672,54 @@ The master sites are not referred to, but can be described as Tier-0. Mirrors that mirror from these sites can be considered - Tier-1, mirrors of Tier-1-mirrors, - are Tier-2, etc. - Official sites are encouraged to be of a low tier, - but the lower the tier, the higher the requirements in - terms as described in . - Also access to low-tier-mirrors may be restricted, and - access to master sites is definetly restricted. - The tier-hierarchy is not reflected - by DNS and generally not documented anywhere, except - for the master sites. However, official mirrors with low numbers, - like 1-4, are usually Tier-1 - (this is just a rough hint, and there's no rule). + Tier-1, mirrors of + Tier-1-mirrors, are Tier-2, + etc. Official sites are encouraged to be of a low + tier, but the lower the tier, the higher the + requirements in terms as described in + . + Also access to low-tier-mirrors may be restricted, and access to + master sites is definetly restricted. The + tier-hierarchy is not reflected by DNS and + generally not documented anywhere, except for the master sites. + However, official mirrors with low numbers, like 1-4, are usually + Tier-1 (this is just a rough hint, and there's + no rule). Ok, but where should I get the stuff now? - The short answer is: from the - site, that is closest to you in internet terms, or gives you - the fastest access. + The short answer is: from the site, that is closest to you in + internet terms, or that gives you the fastest access. I just want to mirror from somewhere! - If you have no special intentions or - requirements, the statement in - applies. This means: + If you have no special intentions or requirements, the statement + in applies. This means: Look at available mirrors in your country. - The FreeBSD + The + FreeBSD Mirror Database can help you with this. - Check roughly those, which provide fastest access - (number of hops, round-trip-times) - and offer the services you intend to - use (like rsync - or CVSup). + Check roughly those, which provide fastest access (number of + hops, round-trip-times) and offer the services you intend to + use (like rsync or + CVSup). Contact the admins of your chosen site, stating your - request, and asking about their terms and - policies. + request, and asking about their terms and policies. @@ -703,28 +735,26 @@ In general the description in still applies. Of course you may want to put some weight on the fact, that your upstream should be of - a low tier. - There are some other considerations about official - mirrors, that are described in . + a low tier. There are some further considerations about + official mirrors, that are described in + . I want to access the master sites! - If you have good reasons, and good prerequesites, - you may want and get access to one of the - master sites. Access to these sites is - generally restriced, and there are special policies - for access. If you are already an official - mirror, this certainly helps you getting access. - In any other case make sure your country really needs another mirror. - If it already has three or more, ask + If you have good reasons, and good prerequesites, you may want + and get access to one of the master sites. Access to these sites + is restriced, and there are special policies for access. If you are + already an official mirror, this certainly + helps you getting access. In any other case make sure your country + really needs another mirror. If it already has three or more, ask the &a.hubs; first. - There are just two master sites, for the FTP fileset and - for the CVS repository (the webpages and docs are obtained from CVS, - so there is no need for it). + There are just two master sites, for the FTP fileset and for the + CVS repository (the webpages and docs are obtained from CVS, so + there is no need for it). ftp-master.freebsd.org @@ -732,22 +762,23 @@ This is the master site for the FTP fileset. - ftp-master.FreeBSD.org provides - rsync and CVSup - access, rather in addition to ftp protocol. - Refer to and - how to access - via these protocols. + ftp-master.FreeBSD.org provides + rsync and + CVSup access, rather in addition to + ftp protocol. Refer to and + how to access via these + protocols. + + + Mirrors should be encouraged to also allow + rsync access for the FTP contents, + since they are Tier-1-mirrors. + + + To get access to + ftp-master.FreeBSD.org, you need + to contact &a.peter;. - - Mirrors should be encouraged to also allow rsync - access for the FTP contents, since they are - Tier-1-mirrors. - - - To get access to ftp-master.FreeBSD.org, - you need to contact &a.peter;. - cvsup-master.freebsd.org @@ -755,24 +786,23 @@ This is the master site for the CVS repository. - cvsup-master.FreeBSD.org provides - CVSup access only. - See for details. + cvsup-master.FreeBSD.org provides + CVSup access only. See + for details. - To get access, you need to contact &a.jdp;. - Make sure you read - FreeBSD CVSup Access Policy - first! + To get access, you need to contact &a.jdp;. Make sure you read + + FreeBSD CVSup Access Policy first! Set up the required authentication by following these instructions. Make sure you specify the server as - freefall.freebsd.org on the cvpasswd - command line, as described in this document, - even when you are contacting - cvsup-master.freebsd.org + freefall.freebsd.org on the + cvpasswd command line, as described in this document, even + when you are contacting + cvsup-master.freebsd.org @@ -785,14 +815,14 @@ - a) have a freebsd.org DNS entry - (usually a CNAME). + Have a freebsd.org DNS entry (usually a + CNAME). - b) are listed as an official mirror in the FreeBSD - documentation (like handbook). + Are listed as an official mirror in the FreeBSD documentation + (The Handbook). @@ -805,12 +835,11 @@ Special Requirements for official (tier-1) mirrors - It is not so easy to state requirements for all - official mirrors, since the project is sort of - tolerant here. It is more easy to say, - what official tier-1 mirrors - are required to. All other official mirrors, - can consider this a big should. + It is not so easy to state requirements for all official mirrors, + since the project is more tolerant here. It is more easy to say, + what official tier-1 mirrors are required to. + All other official mirrors, can consider this a big + should. The following applies mainly to the FTP fileset, @@ -823,51 +852,57 @@ Tier-1 mirrors are required to: - to carry the complete fileset - allow access to other mirror sites - provide FTP and - RSYNC access + + To carry the complete fileset + + + Allow access to other mirror sites + + + Provide FTP and + rsync access + Furthermore, admins should be subscribed to the &a.hubs;. - See this link for details, how to subscribe. + See this link for details, how + to subscribe. - It is very important for a hub administrator, especially - Tier-1 hub admins, to check the - release schedule - for the next FreeBSD release. This is important because it will tell you when the - next release is scheduled - to come out, and thus giving you time to prepare for the big spike of traffic which follows it. - - - It is also eminent that hub administrators try to keep their mirrors as up-to-date as - possible (again, even more crucial for Tier-1 mirrors). If Mirror1 doesn't update for a - while, lower tier mirrors will begin to mirror old data from Mirror1 and thus begins - a downward spiral... Keep your mirrors up to date! + It is very important for a hub + administrator, especially Tier-1 hub admins, to check the + release + schedule for the next FreeBSD release. This is important + because after a release there is a large load spike on all mirrors. + + + It is also eminent that hub administrators try to keep their + mirrors as up-to-date as possible (again, even more crucial for + Tier-1 mirrors). If Mirror1 doesn't update for a while, lower + tier mirrors will begin to mirror old data from Mirror1 and thus + begins a downward spiral... Keep your mirrors up to date! How to become official then? - An interesting questions, especially, since the state - of beeing official comes with some benefits, like a much - higher bill from your ISP, as more people will be using - your site. Also it may be a key requirement, to get access - to a master site. + An interesting questions, especially, since the state of beeing + official comes with some benefits, like a much higher bill from + your ISP, as more people will be using your site. Also it may be + a key requirement, to get access to a master site. - Before applying, please consider (again) if - another official mirror is really needed for - your region. Ask on the &a.hubs;, if in doubt. + Before applying, please consider (again) if another official mirror + is really needed for your region. Ask on the &a.hubs;, if in doubt. Ok, here is how to do it: - Get the mirror running in first place (maybe not - using a master site, yet). + Get the mirror running in first place (maybe not using a + master site, yet). @@ -886,9 +921,8 @@ in . - If there is no subdomain delegated, yet, for your - country, you probably need to contact - hostmaster@freebsd.org, + If there is no subdomain delegated, yet, for your country, you + probably need to contact hostmaster@freebsd.org, however, you can try the &a.hubs; first. @@ -916,29 +950,38 @@ ftp2.FreeBSD.org - grisha@ispol.com - - (Bandwidth) + + Bandwidth ftp.is.FreeBSD.org - oli@isnic.is - - (Bandwidth) (FTP - processes) (HTTP processes) + Bandwidth + + FTP sessions + + HTTP sessions ftp.cz.FreeBSD.org - cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz - - (Bandwidth) - (FTP processes) - (Rsync processes) + + Bandwidth + + FTP sessions + + rsync sessions ftp4.de.FreeBSD.org - dl@leo.org - - (FTP users) - (RSYNC users) - (Bandwidth) + + FTP sessions + + rsync sessions + Bandwidth @@ -947,19 +990,35 @@ CVSup site stats - cvsup5.FreeBSD.org - staff@blackened.com - (CVSup processes) + + cvsup5.FreeBSD.org - + staff@blackened.com - + + CVSup sessions + - cvsup[23456].jp.FreeBSD.org - kuriyama@FreeBSD.org - (CVSup processes) + + cvsup[23456].jp.FreeBSD.org - + kuriyama@FreeBSD.org - + + CVSup sessions + - cvsup.cz.FreeBSD.org - cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz - - (CVSup processes) + + cvsup.cz.FreeBSD.org - + cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz - + + CVSup sessions + - [cvsup3|anoncvs].de.FreeBSD.org - dl@leo.org - - (CVSup processes) + + [cvsup3|anoncvs].de.FreeBSD.org - + dl@leo.org - + + CVSup sessions + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 7:35:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from x.vwx.com (226.muag.wash.wacdc01r1.dsl.att.net [12.98.110.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC2737B41E; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x.reston01.va.comcast.net (pcp742943pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net [68.49.147.101]) by x.vwx.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-60653U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:58:42 -0400 From: domainmaster@vwx.com Subject: SOS VWX.COM Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 06:58:42 -0400 Message-ID: <20020413105842812.AEO2216@x.vwx.com@x.reston01.va.comcast.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ladies and Gentlmen, Please accept my most humble and sincere apologies if this email has reached you at a bad moment, or is problem to you in any fashion. 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Your email was selected on a spider done on "Prayer" Sincerely yours, Jim Anderson http://vwx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 9: 6:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD0137B41A for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EEEBFDF; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08690; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:06:49 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g3DG7JJ84360; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Jochem Kossen Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GNU emacs 21.2 References: <20020411182754.GA20002@jochem.dyndns.org> <20020412193832.GA30803@jochem.dyndns.org> <20020412232923.GA35741@jochem.dyndns.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 13 Apr 2002 09:07:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020412232923.GA35741@jochem.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jochem Kossen writes: > I don't know if this all is possible with the packages you mentioned, > but i'd rather use one small package than 5 or six packages...Do your > packages provide anything else which is handy for editing Docbook? Nothing particularly for DocBook. Just some extra stuff like gnats, gnus, calc, calendar, many more (most of which I've not investigated). Do: less /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-*-packages/distinfo for a list of things you can get. I don't know where they are described; maybe at xemacs.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 10:20:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C61537B440 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DHK1L39393; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.130.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ABB37B416 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0F52760E; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:15:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <20020413171535.0F52760E@host213-123-130-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:15:35 +0100 (BST) From: Dominic Marks Reply-To: Dominic Marks To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/37042: Further additions to PPPoA section of the Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 37042 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Further additions to PPPoA section of the Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Apr 13 10:20:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dominic Marks >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Organization: Student >Environment: System: FreeBSD gallium 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #2: Mon Apr 8 21:19:28 BST 2002 dom@gallium:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GALLIUM i386 >Description: Added: 1. tags where appropriate 2. section regarding passwords in ppp.conf 3. several manual page references 4. callouts in the ppp.conf example section >How-To-Repeat: NA. >Fix: Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ppp-and-slip/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.71 diff -u -r1.71 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2002/04/13 00:40:12 1.71 +++ chapter.sgml 2002/04/13 17:10:31 @@ -2134,17 +2134,40 @@ /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. You will need to be root to perform both of these operations. An example section of ppp.conf is given - below. + below. For further information on ppp.conf + options consult the ppp manual page, + &man.ppp.8;. adsl: set log phase chat lcp ipcp ccp tun command set timeout 0 enable dns - set authname username - set authkey password + set authname username + set authkey password set ifaddr 0 0 add default HISADDR + + + The username of your account with the DSL provider. + + + The password for your account. + + + + + Because you must put your account's password in the + ppp.conf file in plain text form you should + make sure than nobody can read the contents of this file. The + following series of commands will make sure the file is only + readable by the root account. Refer to the + manuals pages for &man.chmod.1; and &man.chown.8; for further + information. + &prompt.root; chown root:wheel /etc/ppp/ppp.conf +&prompt.root; chmod 600 /etc/ppp/ppp.conf + + This will open a tunnel for a PPP session to your DSL router. Ethernet DSL modems have a preconfigured LAN IP address which you connect to. In the case of the Alcatel Speedtouch Home this address is @@ -2153,7 +2176,7 @@ start a ppp session execute the following command. - &prompt.root; pptp address isp + &prompt.root; pptp address isp You may wish to add an ampersand (&) to the @@ -2168,7 +2191,7 @@ process has confirmed a connection you can examine the tunnel like so. - &prompt.user; ifconfig tun0 + &prompt.user; ifconfig tun0 tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 inet 216.136.204.21 --> 204.152.186.171 netmask 0xffffff00 Opened by PID 918 >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 10:54:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F68C37B404 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.soupnazi.org ([64.168.22.73]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUI00BNKPQI1M@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by helios.soupnazi.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C0AFE3135; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:54:17 -0700 From: Jim Mock Subject: java-tomcat article cleanups To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <20020413175417.GA30518@helios.dub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm in the process of cleaning up this file, both whitespace and some content changes (yes, they will be committed separately). Please try to refrain from committing to articles/java-tomcat/article.sgml until I'm finished (I'll send a follow-up to this message). It will make my life much easier if nobody commits to it while I'm doing this :-) - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 11:10: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7BA37B400 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DIA2n51124; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204131810.g3DIA2n51124@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/37037; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff To: Dominic Marks Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:01:59 +0200 On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 01:34:07PM +0100, Dominic Marks wrote: > I also spent time reworking the lines so that the wrap less or when > they do in a cleaner fashion which makes this file easier to edit. And these changes make it way harder for the translators to see which changes need to be merged into the translations. Just ignore the whitespace (line breaks, intendation) while you are fixing the content. Once the content has been fixed, the whitespace can be fixed by a perl script. /s/Udo -- I have the heart of an innocent child -- in a small jar on my desk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 11:50:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A5637B416 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helios.soupnazi.org ([64.168.22.73]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUI00EJASBS1R@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by helios.soupnazi.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 525E03135; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:50:16 -0700 From: Jim Mock Subject: Re: java-tomcat article cleanups In-reply-to: <20020413175417.GA30518@helios.dub.net> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <20020413185016.GC30518@helios.dub.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i References: <20020413175417.GA30518@helios.dub.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 at 10:54:17 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > I'm in the process of cleaning up this file, both whitespace and some > content changes (yes, they will be committed separately). Please try to > refrain from committing to articles/java-tomcat/article.sgml until I'm > finished (I'll send a follow-up to this message). It will make my life > much easier if nobody commits to it while I'm doing this :-) The whitespace changes are done. I'll go through the tag changes/fixes and grammar/puncuation fixes later. Consider this file fair game again :-) - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 12:10: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319437B404 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DJA2065266; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204131910.g3DJA2065266@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Dominic Marks Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Reply-To: Dominic Marks Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/37037; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dominic Marks To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:03:26 +0100 On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 08:01:59PM +0200, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 01:34:07PM +0100, Dominic Marks wrote: > > I also spent time reworking the lines so that the wrap less or when > > they do in a cleaner fashion which makes this file easier to edit. > > And these changes make it way harder for the translators to see > which changes need to be merged into the translations. Just ignore > the whitespace (line breaks, intendation) while you are fixing the > content. Once the content has been fixed, the whitespace can be > fixed by a perl script. Ok, in future I won't change it. Thanks for the tip. > /s/Udo > -- > I have the heart of an innocent child -- in a small jar on my desk -- Dominic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 15:40:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA49137B405 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DMe5g03871; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204132240.g3DMe5g03871@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/37037; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: kuriyama@freebsd.org, logo@freebsd.org, dominic_marks@btinternet.com, bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:25:14 +0300 On 2002-04-13 20:01, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 01:34:07PM +0100, Dominic Marks wrote: > > I also spent time reworking the lines so that the wrap less or when > > they do in a cleaner fashion which makes this file easier to edit. > > And these changes make it way harder for the translators to see > which changes need to be merged into the translations. I'm already working with Dominic on cleaning up this patch, and bringing the diff in shape. I'll have a patch that looks nice when diff'ed (from a translators's point of view) real soon now ;-) If nobody objects to the change (like, for instance one of the authors of the article, who happens to work on changes and feels a commit would make his life harder), I'll gladly take care of this PR. I also plan a whitespace, indentation, SGML pedantry pass right *after* this has been brought in the tree, if this is ok too. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 15:54:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ultraviolet.epac.to (pa83.chojnow.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.98.151.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5F437B400 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from alex@localhost) by ultraviolet.epac.to (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3E0rCZ01058 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:53:12 GMT (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:53:12 GMT From: Aleksander Fafula Message-Id: <200204140053.g3E0rCZ01058@ultraviolet.epac.to> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hello! Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have the best polish translation about FreeBSD. Here is the link www.freebsd.okey.pl . Please add it to your links in polish links section. There are some well translated chapters from handbook. Can you tell me if it is possible to become the polish main site about FreeBSD, which would be also recommended by you as the official one? What are the rules? Thanks in advance for your reply. Alex ----------------------- www.freebsd.okey.pl [first polish translation of handbook] ----------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 16: 0:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9C637B404 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3DN05O06408; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204132300.g3DN05O06408@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Jun Kuriyama Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Reply-To: Jun Kuriyama Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/37037; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jun Kuriyama To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , logo@freebsd.org, dominic_marks@btinternet.com, bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:59:22 +0900 At Sun, 14 Apr 2002 01:25:14 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > I'm already working with Dominic on cleaning up this patch, and > bringing the diff in shape. I'll have a patch that looks nice when > diff'ed (from a translators's point of view) real soon now ;-) > > If nobody objects to the change (like, for instance one of the authors > of the article, who happens to work on changes and feels a commit > would make his life harder), I'll gladly take care of this PR. > > I also plan a whitespace, indentation, SGML pedantry pass right > *after* this has been brought in the tree, if this is ok too. I don't care to commit any refinement and clean up. Please go ahead. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 17:13:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A16B37B400; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3E0D9523471; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204140013.g3E0D9523471@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37037: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Cleaned and revised the Hubs article Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 13 17:11:28 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I've started cleaning up the patch with Dominic's assistance. Should be ready later tonight. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 19:30:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E27F37B404; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a185.otenet.gr [212.205.215.185]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3E2TqhX010938; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:29:53 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3E2TpUo002337; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:29:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3E2ToqR002323; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:29:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:28:30 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs article.sgml Message-ID: <20020414022829.GA2297@hades.hell.gr> References: <200204140213.g3E2Dgu54409@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200204140213.g3E2Dgu54409@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-04-13 19:13, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Modified files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs article.sgml There is a lot more to be extracted from that PR, but since it's getting very late here (or early in the morning), and I want to carefully review the rest of the changes feel free to make any changes you want to this article. I'm not touching it again for a while. Just until I can cleanup and check the rest of the changes in the PR. I'll happilly merge any recent stuff into the working copy I have at home, when I'm less sleepy. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 19:59:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6564C37B405; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from trevor@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3E2xVU58952; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200204140259.g3E2xVU58952@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trevor@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36690: InfoWorld article for press.xml Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: InfoWorld article for press.xml Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jkoshy Responsible-Changed-By: trevor Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 13 19:58:46 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Joseph Koshy has shown an interest in this file (if not this story). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36690 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 20:54:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from calliope.cs.brandeis.edu (calliope.cs.brandeis.edu [129.64.3.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0646237B400 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (meshko@localhost) by calliope.cs.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03782 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:54:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Kruk To: docs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/c1250.html#AEN1255 says to strip binaries. However INSTALL_PROGRAM script seem to do it for you automatically. Should this section be removed from the docs? 15.1 Strip Binaries Do strip binaries. If the original source already strips the binaries, fine; otherwise you should add a post-install rule to it yourself. Here is an example: post-install: strip ${PREFIX}/bin/xdl Use the file(1) command on the installed executable to check whether the binary is stripped or not. If it does not say not stripped, it is stripped. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 13 21:51:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from subdimension.com (subdimension.com [209.150.29.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 490C537B400 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from subdimension.com ([192.168.0.2]) by subdimension.com ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:55:52 -0400 From: "wyldephyre" Reply-To: wyldephyre@subdimension.com To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: suggestion for the docs X-Mailer: WebMAIL to Mail Gateway v3.0h Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:53:13 GMT Message-id: <3cb91949.4b80.1804289383@subdimension.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's an idea: How about building an index page along with the rest of the doctree? The idea being that you can make install the docs right into a folder on a webserver. The doc could consist of a list of the documents' title and , among others. Any takers? _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message