From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 1:40:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4808437B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail5-sh.home.nl (mail5.home.nl [213.51.128.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6E43E4A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:40:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hypeerion@home.nl) Received: from Homicron ([212.204.154.28]) by mail5-sh.home.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20021117094039.KDP18865.mail5-sh.home.nl@Homicron> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:40:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c28e1d$818380b0$4101a8c0@Homicron> From: "Peter Koeleman" To: Subject: error in handbook Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:41:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, browsing the handbook I found an error: x4738.html contains a link to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ but the HTML is wrong, pointing only to "../../../../ports/index.html", not the www server. Hope to help, Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 4: 0:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B9A37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F5943E97 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHC0Bx3075074 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHC0BYB075064; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DEF37B41C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from skalman.campus.luth.se (skalman.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBA243E9C for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pantzer@skalman.campus.luth.se) Received: from skalman.campus.luth.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skalman.campus.luth.se (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAHBnxHj000503 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:49:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pantzer@skalman.campus.luth.se) Received: (from pantzer@localhost) by skalman.campus.luth.se (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHBnx1g000502; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:49:59 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200211171149.gAHBnx1g000502@skalman.campus.luth.se> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:49:59 +0100 (CET) From: Mattias Pantzare Reply-To: Mattias Pantzare To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/45371: man page for exports lacks information on -webnfs och -public Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45371 >Category: docs >Synopsis: man page for exports lacks information on -webnfs och -public >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 17 04:00:10 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mattias Pantzare >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD skalman.campus.luth.se 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #7: Sun Nov 10 19:04:27 CET 2002 pantzer@skalman.campus.luth.se:/usr/src/sys/compile/SKALMAN i386 >Description: exports(5) fails to state that -public and -webnfs can only be used on one export per server. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Expand the part about WebNFS with: Only one file system per server may use -public or -webnfs >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 7:56:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1809237B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6D143E8A; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (mike@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHFuDx3053289; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from mike@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHFuDxJ053285; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Barcroft Message-Id: <200211171556.gAHFuDxJ053285@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mike@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20528: sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.1b options Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.1b options Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->freebsd-standards Responsible-Changed-By: mike Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 17 07:55:56 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Standards issue. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20528 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 7:57:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397EA37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from staff3.cso.uiuc.edu (staff3.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B67143E3B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fgasper@uiuc.edu) Received: from uiuc.edu (nh-chicory.csh.uiuc.edu [128.174.169.161]) by staff3.cso.uiuc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id gAHFvrJ09436 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:57:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DD7BC7C.4070101@uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:57:48 -0600 From: Felipe Gasper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: NAT coverage in FBSD handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To whom it may concern: Could a section be added to the FBSD handbook's chapter on NAT that would address the necessary rules to add to a custom ipfw ruleset? Right now the only instructions given tell the user to leave his/her firewall wide open, which doesn't strike me as the best setup as far as security. Netfiler.org has nice documentation for manually adding rules to iptables for NAT. Perhaps even just a section suggesting these rules? deny ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any in recv ${natd_interface} divert 8668 ip from any to any via ${natd_interface} allow ip from any to 192.168.0.0/16 allow ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any Thank you for your time. -- ------------------------ Felipe M. L. Gasper http://fgmusic.org Judge ideas, not people. Love people, not ideas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 10:20: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D61F37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAE043E42 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIK3x3025477 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHIK3fj025476; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F5F37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89943E42 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id UFD30010; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:13:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.3) id gAHIBuDn003825; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:11:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Message-Id: <200211171811.gAHIBuDn003825@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:11:56 +0200 (EET) From: Valentin Nechayev To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/45375: Old kernel config lines in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45375 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Old kernel config lines in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Nov 17 10:20:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Valentin Nechayev >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386 >Organization: private >Environment: System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386 >Description: Some samples in handbook contain kernel config lines for 2.* branches. 20:06:38:netch@iv:/usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook>fgrep -w vector book.txt device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq N vector lptintr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty vector lptintr device fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device sio2 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr device sio3 at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr handling of the trap vector for the signal trampoline code, and sever The Linux system call vector contains, among other things, a list of Discovered by: Sergey Zaikov <2:5022/5.66> >How-To-Repeat: Grep ;) >Fix: Trivial. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 13:40: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AB437B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F050843E3B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHLe2x3001936 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHLe28k001935; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211172140.gAHLe28k001935@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: docs/45371: man page for exports lacks information on -webnfs och -public Reply-To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/45371; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Mattias Pantzare Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45371: man page for exports lacks information on -webnfs och -public Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:36:23 -0600 On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 12:49:59PM +0100 I heard the voice of Mattias Pantzare, and lo! it spake thus: > > >Fix: > > Expand the part about WebNFS with: > Only one file system per server may use -public or -webnfs Suggested patch: Index: exports.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/usr.sbin/mountd/exports.5,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.21 exports.5 --- exports.5 20 Sep 2002 20:03:27 -0000 1.21 +++ exports.5 17 Nov 2002 21:35:34 -0000 @@ -178,6 +178,9 @@ .Sm on and .Fl ro . +Note that only one filesystem can be +.Tn WebNFS +exported on a server. .Pp A .Sm off -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 13:47: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EC737B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7E343E6E; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHLl0x3003929; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHLl0WY003925; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200211172147.gAHLl0WY003925@freefall.freebsd.org> To: blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45375: Old kernel config lines in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Old kernel config lines in handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend Responsible-Changed-By: blackend Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Nov 17 13:46:28 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45375 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 14:16:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988D737B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.com (roap.rv.ua [194.44.252.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5C9443E97 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from custserv4435o05@yahoo.com) Received: from 110.206.132.161 ([110.206.132.161]) by mx.loxsystems.net with asmtp; Sun, 17 Nov 0102 20:16:24 +0200 Reply-To: Message-ID: <026d47a56c0c$5433a8c6$5ec72ae8@bolabl> From: To: friend@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make a Great Income as a Music Promoter! 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Please send your NAME, PHONE # and best time to reach you (include TIME ZONE) to the email address below: NOTE: (No info will be sent without a valid phone #) mailto:lovemusic03@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS: To be removed from further mailings, please click on the link below (you will be automatically removed): http://81.9.5.210/remove-me.asp 5842vMLd6-810DKJL8398fFaV7-048TAlP6652KpOQ1-6l42 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 15:39:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1257437B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F5C43E8A; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (luigi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHNdmx3036736; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHNdmrx036732; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200211172339.gAHNdmrx036732@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, luigi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35939: ipfw(8) needs explicit statement about non-IP packets Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ipfw(8) needs explicit statement about non-IP packets State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: luigi State-Changed-When: Sun Nov 17 15:39:19 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: no more relevant, the ipfw manpage now explains clearly which packets are analysed by ipfw and where. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35939 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 16:22:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1A437B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from chat.ru (d036.p9.col.ru [212.248.7.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7142D43E4A; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 123@123.ru) From: 123@123.ru <123@123.ru> Subject: Офисная техника, продажа, ремонт и обслуживание. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 16:22:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1A437B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from chat.ru (d036.p9.col.ru [212.248.7.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7142D43E4A; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 123@123.ru) From: 123@123.ru <123@123.ru> Subject: Офисная техника, продажа, ремонт и обслуживание. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:22:51 +0300 Message-Id: <20021118002242.7142D43E4A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Уважаемые господа! Фирма "Техника для офиса", работающая на рынке более 10 лет, официальный дилер SHARP, экстра - реселлер XEROX, предлагает Вам долгосрочное сотрудничество в области комплексного обслуживания, поставок офисной оргтехники и всего необходимого оборудования оптом и в розницу. Мы предлагаем : 1. Ремонт копировальных аппаратов, принтеров, факсов, заправку картриджей. Возможен выезд инженера. 2. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 16:35:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F29337B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw-rwc.gator.com (gw-rwc.gator.com [63.197.87.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC4F43E6E for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:35:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from service@Gator.com) Received: from [10.1.88.42] by gw-rwc.gator.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18DZw0-0007LF-00 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:38:40 -0800 From: Gator Service Reply-To: support@gator.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:35:13 X-Mailer: Gator Mailer v 1.2 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Gator Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Gator User, According to our records you submitted a request for password retrieval. 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Gator Support To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 19:31:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E457C37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3072343EAA for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a196.otenet.gr [212.205.215.196]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3VRqD027044; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:31:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3VR70004815; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:31:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAI3VRxR004814; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:31:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:31:26 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Peter Koeleman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: error in handbook Message-ID: <20021118033126.GC4534@gothmog.gr> References: <000001c28e1d$818380b0$4101a8c0@Homicron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c28e1d$818380b0$4101a8c0@Homicron> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2002-11-17 10:41, Peter Koeleman wrote: > Hi all, > browsing the handbook I found an error: > x4738.html contains a link to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ but the HTML is > wrong, pointing only to "../../../../ports/index.html", not the www server. It's not really an error or a broken link. The existing use of the elements show that two ways of linking to ports/ stuff are used. The first one uses absolute URLs [ like http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/mail.html ]. The other one uses relative references: $ cd /a/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook $ find . -type f | xargs grep -i 'url=.*\.\./ports' ./l10n/chapter.sgml: url="../../../../ports/index.html">FreeBSD Ports collection has provided ./mail/chapter.sgml: url="../../../../ports/mail.html">ports collection and install ./ports/chapter.sgml: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/. ./ports/chapter.sgml: url="../../../../ports/index.html">ports listing on the FreeBSD The first way (using absolute URLs) will make mirrors of the web site redirect parts of their traffic back to freebsd.org, and it's something I'd like to avoid if possible. The second way is problematic for sites that don't have a ports/ directory set up at the same level as the FreeBSD doc/ hierarchy. I'm not sure which of the two evils I prefer :-/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE92F8O1g+UGjGGA7YRAlp+AJ41TAxgyNdWATYlbboytDo6gFkU8QCdGWYE d9blekkWDP4AWQNCxci774Q= =KjZl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 19:44:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B603137B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA62D43E4A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a196.otenet.gr [212.205.215.196]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3i4qD004539; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:44:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI3i370004956; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:44:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAI3i3P9004942; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:44:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:44:00 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: "Ahmad Faisal M. Nor" Subject: Re: Link to Malaysian user group on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20021118034400.GD4534@gothmog.gr> References: <20021117174718.H13274-100000@WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021117174718.H13274-100000@WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I received from Ahmad Faisal M. Nor a description of the MyBSD user group (BSD and open source group for people living in Malaysia). Does the following look fine to you all? I have to admit I'm reluctant about the bit referring to girls, but that may be my low sensitivity to humour these days. %%% Index: support.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/support.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.273 diff -u -r1.273 support.sgml - --- support.sgml 22 Oct 2002 07:13:47 -0000 1.273 +++ support.sgml 18 Nov 2002 03:39:31 -0000 @@ -871,10 +871,17 @@

- -
  • New Zealand The New Zealand FreeBSD User's - - group is located in Wellington. No meetings have been scheduled - - yet. +
  • Malaysia + The MyBSD Malaysia Project is a + usergroup for BSD users and open-source in general, promoting and + supporting FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and open source usage. We meet + once a month, usually at Universiti Malaya or Restaurant Bahadur Shah + where you can smoke or drink if you like or maybe see "kanchik" + (girls). One of our projects is to develop a UNIX file manager (see + ). + Visit our website or contact + info@MyBSD.org.my + for more information. Our location is in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

    • %%% -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE92GIA1g+UGjGGA7YRAo+/AJ9F4lm4wMrBSELpeauLcy1m8Sf0+gCgxkN/ OSRphSFpTqz3Ac6/6vkqvVg= =8Tfe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 20:39: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3D237B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0142543E6E for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vsevolod_s@mail.ru) Received: from [62.64.118.56] (helo=312271) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18DdgK-000Hrx-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:38:44 +0200 From: "gs kurator" To: "50" Subject: Golden Stream - Дополнение! Reply-To: kurator_gs@torba.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Organization: GS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:36:43 +0200 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Кому надоел - прошу простить! Тем, кто заинтересовался GS - пишите на stegel@hotmail.com или на любой из ранее указанных адресов, кроме yahoo - его уже нет. С уважением. ==================================================================== Рассылка произведена в соответствии с ч.4 ст.29 Конституции РФ, является разовой, и не навязывает платных услуг. Ваш электронный адрес получен из открытых источников. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Nov 17 20:39:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E256337B401; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5243E88; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:39:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vsevolod_s@mail.ru) Received: from [62.64.118.56] (helo=312271) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 18Ddge-000I5x-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:39:04 +0200 From: "gs kurator" To: "50" Subject: Golden Stream - Дополнение! Reply-To: kurator_gs@torba.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Organization: GS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:37:03 +0200 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Кому надоел - прошу простить! Тем, кто заинтересовался GS - пишите на stegel@hotmail.com или на любой из ранее указанных адресов, кроме yahoo - его уже нет. С уважением. ==================================================================== Рассылка произведена в соответствии с ч.4 ст.29 Конституции РФ, является разовой, и не навязывает платных услуг. Ваш электронный адрес получен из открытых источников. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 3:14: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB2737B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (office.sbnd.net [217.75.140.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A6EE43E6E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roam@ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 9632 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Nov 2002 11:13:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:13:08 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.doc Subject: Re: Putting translated release notes onto the web site Message-ID: <20021118111307.GI395@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Udo Erdelhoff , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.doc References: <20021110162524.GZ59222@nathan.ruhr.de> <200211111822.gABIM79h003216@intruder.bmah.org> <20021116165048.GC21777@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021116165048.GC21777@nathan.ruhr.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 05:50:48PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > Hi, [snip] > > > Additionally, it may be neccessary to make some small changes on > > > www. If I read www/en/relnotes/Makefile correctly, only the US > > > version has been checked out on www in /usr/relnotes/doc > > > and /usr/relnotes4/doc, this would have to be changed to support > > > the translations. > >=20 > > As I read the webupdate script on the Web server, I think that all of > > src/release/doc is checked out and available, but it's been awhile since > > I've thought about this. >=20 > Uh, is this 'webupdate' available somewhere in our CVS repo? www/tools/webupdate, I believe :) > If not, > can you slip me an up-to-date copy (or tell me how joe comitter gets > access to the web server for a long hard look at things)? ssh nwww.FreeBSD.org does the trick for me :) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 No language can express every thought unambiguously, least of all this one. --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE92MtD7Ri2jRYZRVMRAuWuAJ9X0GjRSSVp1UfcRrox+TdoJpsZuACeLRky jxIV75CeEcmzQXL8UEZdDn4= =kbyk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 4:50:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F95337B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.gwdg.de (mailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E702B43E3B for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from farrenkopf@mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de) Received: from mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.163.85]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #13) id 18DlMM-0003G0-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:50:38 +0100 Received: from SUB1/SpoolDir by mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Mercury 1.48); 18 Nov 02 13:50:37 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SUB1 (Mercury 1.48); 18 Nov 02 13:50:33 +0100 From: "Stefan Farrenkopf" Organization: Nds. Staats- u. Univ.-Bibliothek To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:50:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: very helpful ipx + freebsd docu could be part of the handbook Message-ID: <3DD8F01F.26820.DFA069@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02, DE v4.02 R1) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD people, what do you think about including a link to or a more generalized version of the IPX + FreeBSD documentation in the handbook? I would be happy to see it there, because it took me a lot of time to find this up to date information and to separate it from the rest of more or less useless information out there. You will find below an e-mail from the author of the text in question and the URL to what I am talking about. best wishes, Stefan ------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded message ------- Datum: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:02:56 -0500 Von: Blake Matheny An: Stefan Farrenkopf Betreff: Re: very helpful Hi Stefan, I'm glad you were able to use the information. I wouldn't be opposed to the information being included in the FreeBSD Handbook, but I won't pursue it. If you would like to ask the appropriate person go ahead. I think a good place to start would be by emailing freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org. Thanks. -Blake Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis? > Hi Matheny, > > I just want to thank you for your very comprehensive and very useful > information regarding FreeBSD and IPX (I am talking about: > http://www.dbaseiv.net/how-to/fbsd-novell.phtml) > I am wondering if it would be possible to link to your page from the > appropriate section of the FreeBSD Handbook or to rewrite it to become a > little bit more general and to include it in the FreeBSD handbook. > I am very new to FreeBSD and I do not know if this is opposed by someone > for some reason. What do you think? Would you ask the responsible person > to look at your IPX support informatin? Shall I? > > best wishes, > Stefan -- Blake Matheny "... one of the main causes of the fall of the matheny@dbaseiv.net Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had http://www.dbaseiv.net no way to indicate successful termination of http://ovmj.org/GNUnet/ their C programs." --Robert Firth --- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht / End of forwarded message --- Stefan Farrenkopf State and University Library Goettingen (SUB) Am Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1 D-37073 Goettingen Tel. : + 49(0)551 39 5827 e-mail: farrenkopf@sub.uni-goettingen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 5:15:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD2737B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp5.jaring.my (smtp5.jaring.my [61.6.32.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5413E43E6E; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaeru@pd.jaring.my) Received: from [61.6.98.201] (j187.crc25.jaring.my [61.6.98.201]) by smtp5.jaring.my (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id gAIDFDw20071; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:15:14 +0800 (MYT) Subject: Re: Link to Malaysian user group on FreeBSD From: Khairil Yusof To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, "Ahmad Faisal M. Nor" In-Reply-To: <20021118034400.GD4534@gothmog.gr> References: <20021117174718.H13274-100000@WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY> <20021118034400.GD4534@gothmog.gr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KBKFwMenWRxEsUdqXNQs" Organization: Message-Id: <1037625224.423.8.camel@daemon.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:15:04 +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-KBKFwMenWRxEsUdqXNQs Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 11:44, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: As a Malaysian, I strongly prefer that the reference to girls and smoking be removed from the only Malaysian user group listing for FreeBSD.=20 A few people might feel like doing the above, but it does not need to be mentioned. It also might put off women from joining by portraying it as a male centric group. I think the following lines should be omitted: + where you can smoke or drink if you like or maybe see "kanchi + (girls). > - -
  • New Zealand The - - href=3D"http://www.nzfug.nz.FreeBSD.org">New Zealand FreeBSD User's > - - group is located in Wellington. No meetings have been schedule= d > - - yet. > +
  • Malaysia > + The MyBSD Malaysia Project is a > + usergroup for BSD users and open-source in general, promoting and > + supporting FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and open source usage. We meet > + once a month, usually at Universiti Malaya or Restaurant Bahadur Shah > + where you can smoke or drink if you like or maybe see "kanchik" > + (girls). One of our projects is to develop a UNIX file manager (see > + ). > + Visit our website or contact > + info@MyBSD.org.my > + for more information. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 10:57:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4E237B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD943E42 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.lonesome.com (cs2876-77.austin.rr.com [24.28.76.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22D1140B4; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:57:31 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark Linimon Organization: Lonesome Dove Computing Services To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: encouraging documentation writing (was: Recently added Jakarta Commons ports) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:58:40 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021118160854.X43606-100000@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr> In-Reply-To: <20021118160854.X43606-100000@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr> Cc: herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211181258.40207.linimon@lonesome.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a post in freebsd-java, in reply to a post asking for volunteers to write documentation, Herve Quiroz (herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) wrote: > English is not my first language so I will not pretend to be able > to handle such a task. Might I suggest a policy to encourage non-native speakers to write documentation under the tutelage of a native speaker? IMHO it's much easier to find people to edit documentation than it is to find people to create documentation in the first place. Yes, I suppose I would have to be the first to volunteer for such a task :-) Mark Linimon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 11: 0: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD4837B425 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC16543E77 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJ03x3076104 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIJ03t8076102 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211181900.gAIJ03t8076102@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 11: 7:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B2437B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CC143E4A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJ76x3084954 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIJ75j9084948 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211181907.gAIJ75j9084948@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [2002/03/09] docs/35723 doc le(4) page doesn't warn about likely syst 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R o [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/04/12] docs/37029 doc The translation in Italian language of th f [2002/05/06] docs/37791 doc Screenshots don't show up on paper when p o [2002/08/20] docs/41824 doc LANG is not documented in setlocale(3) o [2002/08/21] docs/41865 doc [PATCH] XFree86 section should document - o [2002/08/22] docs/41892 doc Patch to fix slowdowns of documentation b o [2002/09/01] docs/42292 doc PPP documentation should use quote marks o [2002/09/02] docs/42339 doc Release process doesn't document required o [2002/09/13] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/10/07] docs/43776 doc /etc/sshd_config settings overridden by P o [2002/10/09] docs/43854 doc undocumented possibiliny of non-zero errn o [2002/11/14] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering 17 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables a [2001/11/16] docs/32041 doc Add point about net.inet.tcp.portange.{fi o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/02/01] docs/34529 doc [patch] Grammar nits in usbd.conf(5) and o [2002/02/03] docs/34577 doc Some man pages still advise using "confli o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/07] docs/35649 doc mount_smbfs(8) page: "See ./examples/dot. o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/12] docs/35823 doc [PATCH] Little Restructuring of the Devel o [2002/03/15] docs/35941 doc cd(4) manual doesn't mention "target" use o [2002/03/15] docs/35942 doc at(1) manual doesn't describe at.allow an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/18] docs/36055 doc [PATCH] adding some help-yourself-info to o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin o [2002/03/28] docs/36459 doc tftp(1) manual's "get" syntax/description o [2002/03/29] docs/36524 doc bad links on handbook index page o [2002/04/01] docs/36628 doc header an footer of openssl manpages are o [2002/04/03] docs/36724 doc ipnat(5) manpage grammar is incomplete an o [2002/04/18] docs/37221 doc obsolete reference to seqpacket in mount_ o [2002/04/25] docs/37457 doc acpi(4) man page references non-existant o [2002/04/25] docs/37470 doc jail field not documented in procfs(5) o [2002/04/29] docs/37557 doc there is no ciss(4) RAID controller man p o [2002/04/29] docs/37558 doc there is no iir(4) RAID controller man pa o [2002/04/29] docs/37559 doc there is no ida(4) RAID man page o [2002/05/02] docs/37693 doc Minor correxion to FreeBSD Porter's Handb o [2002/05/03] docs/37719 doc Detail VOP_ naming in a relevant man-page o [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/11] docs/37952 doc Typos, missing/incorrect accents in Itali o [2002/05/22] docs/38426 doc extra manpage .Xr to locate relevant sysc o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/26] docs/38574 doc CPUTYPE is not documented in make.conf o [2002/05/27] docs/38618 doc Malloc types can be used with multiple al o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/27] docs/38647 doc cvsupit built-in instructions are slightl o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/02] docs/38810 doc Minor change in section 2.13.5 of the Han o [2002/06/02] docs/38815 doc Many typo fixed, and a question left unan o [2002/06/02] docs/38817 doc /usr/share/man/man8/boot.8.gz documents / o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/10] docs/39129 doc handbook; type WRT simulating postscript o [2002/06/11] docs/39164 doc Misprint in units(1).lib (aganist) o [2002/06/12] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/12] docs/39214 doc No my(4) man page o [2002/06/13] docs/39257 doc printf manpage doesn't document error ret o [2002/06/14] docs/39293 doc the dumpon man page incorrectly states th o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/19] docs/39532 doc 'find' man page should o [2002/06/24] docs/39822 doc firewall.7: change "Mbits" to "Mbits/s" a o [2002/06/24] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/04] docs/40196 doc man find does not describe -follow o [2002/07/05] docs/40234 doc Typos and language cleanup in /usr/share/ o [2002/07/07] docs/40311 doc Typos and language adjustments to ipfw.8 o [2002/07/07] docs/40313 doc Grammar, wording, and clarifications for o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/10] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/22] docs/40910 doc [PATCH] Typos & grammer fixes for /usr/sh o [2002/07/22] docs/40911 doc [PATCH] Minor improvements for /usr/share o [2002/07/24] docs/40951 doc Various fixes for the solid-state article o [2002/07/24] docs/40952 doc login.conf should mention that "idletime" o [2002/07/26] docs/41034 doc [PATCH] Typos in /etc/named/named.conf co o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/07/29] docs/41110 doc "apropos linux" doesn't find brandelf o [2002/07/30] docs/41166 doc man page for smp(4) is short on details o [2002/07/30] docs/41167 doc adventure.6 man-page, add section AUTHORS f [2002/07/30] docs/41181 doc Poor grammar in the dialog manpage o [2002/08/02] docs/41263 doc [PATCH] Clarifications and minor grammer o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/07] docs/41423 doc Update FAQ: attrib command for windows du o [2002/08/10] docs/41532 doc [PATCH] Two small fixes to books/design-4 o [2002/08/12] docs/41578 doc Incorrect #include in the usb(4) manpage o [2002/08/12] docs/41580 doc usb(4) manpage: Structures' fields aren't o [2002/08/13] docs/41643 doc New FAQ entry explaining UDMA ICRC errors f [2002/08/16] docs/41703 doc tcpdump manual mistake, with a draft amen o [2002/08/18] docs/41761 doc Update for /ru/internal/ part of site o [2002/08/19] docs/41787 doc man page for route (Section 8) missing de o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/19] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) o [2002/08/21] docs/41879 doc cleanup to DOCROOT/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl o [2002/08/22] docs/41919 doc MINI kernel for bootfloppy (Handbook p.34 o [2002/08/29] docs/42182 doc Making Dedicated Mode disks doc out of da o [2002/09/01] docs/42293 doc copystr(9) man page incorrectly describes o [2002/09/01] docs/42312 doc make release broken without full ports o [2002/09/03] docs/42392 doc Pedantic PPP Primer scheduled for termina o [2002/09/11] docs/42651 doc [PATCH] mount([28]) do not document vfs.u o [2002/09/13] docs/42760 doc [PATCH] Correct the order of fxp devices o [2002/09/26] docs/43410 doc hardware-i386.html doesn't even mention p o [2002/09/27] docs/43416 doc pw(8) -u uidmin,uidmax feature is out of o [2002/10/01] docs/43569 doc src/share/examples/worm/README out-of-dat o [2002/10/03] docs/43622 doc Undocumented modules (missing man pages) o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/04] docs/43678 doc [PATCH] Updates for the pciconf(8) manual o [2002/10/06] docs/43750 doc incorrect "SEE ALSO" references in wi(4) o [2002/10/06] docs/43755 doc Additional examples for vnconfig man page o [2002/10/06] docs/43756 doc chpass(1) manual unclear about alternate o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/09] docs/43864 doc Minor documentation to add o [2002/10/10] docs/43899 doc incorrect info in man page for fetch (8) o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/12] docs/43980 doc ipf(5) missing "gre" keyword o [2002/10/14] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/17] docs/44164 doc [PATCH] Update example CVSup refuse files p [2002/10/18] docs/44206 doc handbook for 4.7-RELEASE mentions devfs o [2002/10/18] docs/44217 doc Problematic PDF version of handbook for 4 o [2002/10/19] docs/44296 doc Contributors page refers to History secti o [2002/10/20] docs/44312 doc Typos in /usr/src/share/examples/ipfw/cha o [2002/10/21] docs/44337 doc [PATCH] netstat(1) manual references none o [2002/10/21] docs/44363 doc /etc/rc.firewall & /etc/rc.firewall6 don' o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/27] docs/44541 doc Many fixes for /usr/share/man/man8/ipfw.8 o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/10/29] docs/44595 doc Handbook only documents UserConfig for bo o [2002/11/11] docs/45213 doc [PATCH] Fix sorting in Additional Contrib o [2002/11/11] docs/45214 doc [PATCH] Fix sorting in Additional Contrib o [2002/11/11] docs/45215 doc [PATCH] Fix sorting in Additional Contrib o [2002/11/14] docs/45294 doc LINT notes are murky re PQ_CACHESIZE sett o [2002/11/14] docs/45295 doc [PATCH] FAQ entry about XEmacs's wheel-mo o [2002/11/17] docs/45371 doc man page for exports lacks information on 158 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 11:53:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C8D37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kain.sumuk.de (Kain.sumuk.de [213.221.86.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4DF43E88 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Moses.earth.sol (Moses.earth.sol [192.168.1.1]) by Kain.sumuk.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIJrlpF012782 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vincent@sumuk.de) Received: from Moses.earth.sol (localhost.earth.sol [127.0.0.1]) by Moses.earth.sol (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIJrkLS044373 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from vincent@Moses.earth.sol) Received: (from vincent@localhost) by Moses.earth.sol (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIJrjo6044372 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:53:44 +0100 From: Martin Heinen To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Moving PGP-keys into share/? Message-ID: <20021118205344.A44150@sumuk.de> Reply-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found three ways to integrate books/handbook/pgpkeys/ into the German handbook: - Duplicate all files in pgpkeys/ Keeping a copy of all files ensures that there are no dependencies to other parts of the documentation set. However, this will yield some repository bloat. - Use pgpkeys.ent from the en_US tree From book.sgml it is possible to use pgpkeys.ent from the en_US tree as done in the French handbook. This adds a build dependency on the en_US tree for translated versions. - Move PGP-keys into share/ With this approach all translations could refer to pgpkeys.ent in share/ which circumvents the dependency on the en_US tree. Adding new keys has to be done in two places now. Especially for the first commits this might be to complicated. The subject suggests that I'm biased towards the last approach, but the second one is easier to implement and much less work. What's the best way to do this? -- Marxpitn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 12:40: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BF637B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D2243E88 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKe1x3013638 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIKe1Wn013637; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B4C37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB0143E3B for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id VAA19358 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:30:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from uriah.heep.sax.de (localhost.heep.sax.de [127.0.0.1]) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIKNgWc072164 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:23:42 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIKNfss072163; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:23:41 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Message-Id: <200211182023.gAIKNfss072163@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:23:41 +0100 (MET) From: Joerg Wunsch Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/45418: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45418 >Category: docs >Synopsis: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Nov 18 12:40:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joerg Wunsch >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD uriah.heep.sax.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #15: Tue Aug 13 21:27:14 MET DST 2002 r@uriah.heep.sax.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/URIAH i386 >Description: NO_CPU_CFLAGS is described in /etc/defaults/make.conf, but not docoumented in the appropriate man page make.conf(5). >How-To-Repeat: man make.conf /CPU >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 13:19:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95E837B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E343E88 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.1.205]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAILJZWt016873 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:19:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAILDuJA001391 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:13:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAILDuB1001390 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:13:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:13:55 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving PGP-keys into share/? Message-ID: <20021118211355.GE202@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20021118205344.A44150@sumuk.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021118205344.A44150@sumuk.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 08:53:44PM +0100, Martin Heinen wrote: > I found three ways to integrate books/handbook/pgpkeys/ > into the German handbook: > > - Duplicate all files in pgpkeys/ > > Keeping a copy of all files ensures that there are > no dependencies to other parts of the documentation set. > However, this will yield some repository bloat. > Really bad :)) We used to do it for images, now we can use images from en_US tree. However it's still possible to use localized images (this should be a little number of file). > - Use pgpkeys.ent from the en_US tree > > From book.sgml it is possible to use pgpkeys.ent from the > en_US tree as done in the French handbook. This adds > a build dependency on the en_US tree for translated versions. > We already have a dependency on images and some other bits. > - Move PGP-keys into share/ > > With this approach all translations could refer to pgpkeys.ent > in share/ which circumvents the dependency on the en_US tree. > Adding new keys has to be done in two places now. Especially > for the first commits this might be to complicated. > In past I was for that approach but now I'm for the previous one for some reasons: - We need the en_US tree for the images, of course we could put them in share/ too but Makefiles would be more "complicated" when it will be the time to use local images. And I know too much that problem, when I had to deal with ghostscript bugs to make possible the use of en_US images from localized docs. - The en_US tree is always up to date, so people will always grab it, so having dependencies is not a problem. > The subject suggests that I'm biased towards the last approach, > but the second one is easier to implement and much less work. > What's the best way to do this? > As I said, to be really independant from the en_US tree, the images problem has to be fixed. Using things from en_US tree is the easiest solution. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 14: 1: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2E637B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37DD43E3B; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (luigi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIM12x3037750; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIM12oj037744; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:01:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200211182201.gAIM12oj037744@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pepper@rockefeller.edu, luigi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40311: Typos and language adjustments to ipfw.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typos and language adjustments to ipfw.8 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: luigi State-Changed-When: Mon Nov 18 14:00:08 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: Most of his suggestions were integrated in a later editing of the file. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40311 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 14: 3: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4177537B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E682E43E77; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (luigi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIM37x3037895; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIM37gX037891; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200211182203.gAIM37gX037891@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pepper@rockefeller.edu, luigi@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/44541: Many fixes for /usr/share/man/man8/ipfw.8.gz Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Many fixes for /usr/share/man/man8/ipfw.8.gz State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: luigi State-Changed-When: Mon Nov 18 14:02:46 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: most suggestions integrated in a later rewrite of the page. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44541 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 18:14:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F9237B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from merkury.pol.lublin.pl (merkury.pol.lublin.pl [212.182.59.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A22943E88 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ni@merkury.pol.lublin.pl) Received: (qmail 41289 invoked by uid 9999); 19 Nov 2002 02:14:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:14:12 +0100 From: Lukasz Bojarski To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: encouraging documentation writing (was: Recently added Jakarta Commons ports) Message-ID: <20021119031412.B40789@merkury.pol.lublin.pl> References: <20021118160854.X43606-100000@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200211181258.40207.linimon@lonesome.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200211181258.40207.linimon@lonesome.com>; from linimon@lonesome.com on Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:58:40PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:58:40PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > In a post in freebsd-java, in reply to a post asking for volunteers > to write documentation, Herve Quiroz (herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) > wrote: > > > English is not my first language so I will not pretend to be able > > to handle such a task. > > Might I suggest a policy to encourage non-native speakers to > write documentation under the tutelage of a native speaker? > IMHO it's much easier to find people to edit documentation than it > is to find people to create documentation in the first place. Yes, I > suppose I would have to be the first to volunteer for such a task :-) In The Polish FreeBSD Documentation Project we are already encouraging people to write the documentation in Polish - that it could be then translated to English by our Translation Team. As far some people offered to write some tutorials - we are waiting for results... I think this will not eliminate the demand mentioned in the Mark's suggestion, because only-Polish writers cannot directly take part in the work of FDP, but could be helpful in finding volunteers to create new documentation, if every translation team encourages people in their counry. Best regards, Lukasz Bojarski Coordinator of the Polish FreeBSD Documentation Project http://tlumaczenie.freebsd.pl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 22: 1:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B48737B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY (MIDFCCS.COM.MY [202.187.88.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098C143E9C; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from faisal@MyBSD.org.my) Received: from MIDFCCS.COM.MY (MIDFCCS.COM.MY [202.187.88.241]) by WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAJ625FQ016399; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:02:06 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from faisal@MyBSD.org.my) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:02:05 +0800 (MYT) From: "Ahmad Faisal M. Nor" X-X-Sender: faisal@WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY To: keramida@FreeBSD.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Link to Malaysian user group on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20021119135717.P16392-100000@WWW.MIDFCCS.COM.MY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just leave any info as it is. Don't remove anything in it. It looks fine to us. I'm one of the authorize person for the MyBSD Malaysia Project group. ----------------------------------------------------------- QUOTES: The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. ----------------------------------------------------------- Ahmad Faisal aka ded1 E-mail : faizal@MyBSD.org.my MyBSD Malaysia Project WWW : http://www.MyBSD.org.my Pantai Hill Park Tel : 018 6822755 58200 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Nov 18 23:50: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40DE37B406 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EB343E6E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ7o3x3004268 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJ7o3Cf004267; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211190750.gAJ7o3Cf004267@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/45418: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/45418; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/45418: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:49:50 +0200 On 2002-11-18 21:23, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > NO_CPU_CFLAGS is described in /etc/defaults/make.conf, but not > docoumented in the appropriate man page make.conf(5). CPUTYPE, NO_CPU_CFLAGS and NO_CPU_COPTFLAGS should all be added. I've started writing something to add in make.conf.5 but anyone who has more time and gets there first should feel free to commit descriptions of all these. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 0:50:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0124237B409 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AE843E88 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ8o1x3021914 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJ8o1Fm021913; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE62037B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.slackerbsd.org (pcp02155875pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.47.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7BA43E75 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@laptop.slackerbsd.org) Received: by laptop.slackerbsd.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id DB2F641BA; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:44:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20021119084449.DB2F641BA@laptop.slackerbsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:44:49 -0500 (EST) From: Carl Schmidt Reply-To: Carl Schmidt To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/45470: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45470 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Nov 19 00:50:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Carl Schmidt >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD laptop.slackerbsd.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Nov 18 17:23:17 EST 2002 root@laptop.slackerbsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP i386 >Description: Make.conf has some knobs which are not documented in make.conf(5). Make.conf(5) also documents some items which are not included in make.conf. There are also some style inconsistencies in the example make.conf which I have resolved in my preferred method. I'm sure a thousand people will object to it. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- make.conf.5.diff begins here --- --- share/man/man5/make.conf.5.old Mon Nov 18 20:07:02 2002 +++ share/man/man5/make.conf.5 Tue Nov 19 02:55:46 2002 @@ -111,6 +111,29 @@ .Bd -literal -offset indent CFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS} .Ed +.It Va CPUTYPE +.Pq Vt str +Controls which processor should be targeted for generated +code. This controls processor-specific optimizations in +certain code (currently only OpenSSL) as well as modifying +the value of +.Va CFLAGS +and +.Va COPTFLAGS +to contain the appropriate optimization directive to gcc. +The automatic setting of +.Va CFLAGS +and +.Va COPTFLAGS +may be overridden using the +.Va NO_CPU_CFLAGS +and +.Va NO_CPU_COPTFLAGS +variables, respectively. Refer to +.Pa /usr/share/examples/make.conf +for a list of recognized +.Va CPUTYPE +options. .It Va CVS_UPDATE .Pq Vt bool Set this to use @@ -144,6 +167,17 @@ make's in .Pa /usr/src in this variable. +.It Va MAKE_SHELL +.Pq Vt str +Controls the shell used internally by +.Xr make 1 +to process the command scripts in makefiles. Three shells +are supported, sh, ksh, and csh. Using sh is most common, +and advised. Using ksh *may* work, but is not guaranteed +to. Using csh is absurd. The default is to use sh. +.Bd -literal -offset indent +MAKE_SHELL?=sh +.Ed .It Va MTREE_FOLLOWS_SYMLINKS .Pq Vt str Set this to @@ -189,40 +223,30 @@ .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard\-supfile . .It Va SUPFILE1 .Pq Vt str The second .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/secure\-supfile . .It Va SUPFILE2 .Pq Vt str The third .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/secure\-supfile . .It Va PORTSSUPFILE .Pq Vt str The ports .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports\-supfile . .It Va DOCSUPFILE .Pq Vt str The documentation .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc\-supfile . .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables @@ -271,6 +295,18 @@ .Pa MINE . It defaults to .Pa GENERIC . +.It Va LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT +.Pq Vt bool +While not a buildkernel-affected option, there is no better place for this. +By default the ``pxeboot'' loader retrieves the kernel via NFS. Defining +this and recompiling +.Pa /usr/src/sys/boot +will cause it to retrieve the kernel via TFTP. This allows pxeboot to +load a custom BOOTP diskless kernel yet still mount the server's `/' +(i.e., rather than load the server's kernel). +.It Va MODULES_OVERRIDE +.Pq Vt str +Set to a list of modules to build instead of all of them. .It Va NO_KERNELCONFIG .Pq Vt bool Set this to skip running @@ -286,9 +322,6 @@ .It Va NO_MODULES .Pq Vt bool Set to not build modules with the kernel. -.It Va MODULES_OVERRIDE -.Pq Vt str -Set to a list of modules to build instead of all of them. .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables @@ -331,6 +364,11 @@ Command to use to fetch files. Normally .Xr fetch 1 . +.It Va KRB5_HOME +.Pq Vt str +If you want to install the MIT Kerberos5 port somewhere other than +.Pa /usr/local , +define this. This is also used to tell ssh1 that kerberos is needed). .It Va MAKE_IDEA .Pq Vt bool Set to build the IDEA encryption code. @@ -361,12 +399,22 @@ Otherwise, .Xr newgrp 1 will not be able to change users' groups. +.It Va ENABLE_SUID_SSH +.Pq Vt bool +Set this to insall +.Xr ssh 1 +with the setuid bit turned on. .It Va MODULES_WITH_WORLD .Pq Vt bool Set to build modules with the system instead of the kernel. .It Va NO_CVS .Pq Vt bool Set to not build CVS. +.It Va NO_CXX +.Pq Vt bool +Set to not build +.Xr g++ 1 +and related libraries. .It Va NO_BIND .Pq Vt bool Set to not build BIND. @@ -375,6 +423,10 @@ Set to not build .Xr g77 1 and related libraries. +.It Va NO_GDB +.Pq Vt bool +Set to not build +.Xr gdb 1 .It Va NO_I4B .Pq Vt bool Set to not build isdn4bsd package. @@ -596,6 +648,14 @@ Mode to use when generating alias and map database files using .Pa /etc/mail/Makefile . The default value is 0640. +.It Va TOP_TABLE_SIZE +.Pq Vt int +.Xr top 1 +uses a hash table for the user names. The size of this hash can be tuned +to match the number of local users. The table size should be a prime number +approximately twice as large as the number of lines in +.Pa /etc/passwd . +The default number is 20011. .It Va WANT_FORCE_OPTIMIZATION_DOWNGRADE .Pq Vt int Causes the system compiler to be built such that it forces high optimization @@ -605,6 +665,15 @@ and above is known to trigger known optimizer bugs at various times \(em this is worse on the Alpha platform. The value assigned is the highest optimization value used. +.It Va WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES +.Pq Vt bool +Set this to build the OpenSSL manual pages. These are not built by +default because they clobber a number of system manual pages with +manual pages describing parts of the OpenSSL toolkit, including +.Xr passwd 1 , +.Xr err 3 , +.Xr md5 3 , +and others. .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables --- make.conf.5.diff ends here --- --- make.conf.diff begins here --- --- share/examples/etc/make.conf.old Mon Nov 18 20:24:03 2002 +++ share/examples/etc/make.conf Tue Nov 19 02:24:57 2002 @@ -31,7 +31,6 @@ # Intel ia64 architecture: itanium # # (?= allows to buildworld for a different CPUTYPE.) -# #CPUTYPE?=i686 #NO_CPU_CFLAGS= true # Don't add -march= to CFLAGS automatically #NO_CPU_COPTFLAGS=true # Don't add -march= to COPTFLAGS automatically @@ -43,28 +42,24 @@ # to the developers. # Note also that at this time the -O2 setting is known to produce BROKEN # CODE on the Alpha platform. -# #CFLAGS= -O -pipe # # CXXFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C++ code. # Note that CXXFLAGS is initially set to the value of CFLAGS. If you wish # to add to CXXFLAGS value, "+=" must be used rather than "=". Using "=" # alone will remove the often needed contents of CFLAGS from CXXFLAGS. -# #CXXFLAGS+= -fmemoize-lookups -fsave-memoized # # MAKE_SHELL controls the shell used internally by make(1) to process the # command scripts in makefiles. Three shells are supported, sh, ksh, and # csh. Using sh is most common, and advised. Using ksh *may* work, but is # not guaranteed to. Using csh is absurd. The default is to use sh. -# #MAKE_SHELL?=sh # # BDECFLAGS are a set of gcc warning settings that Bruce Evans has suggested # for use in developing FreeBSD and testing changes. They can be used by # putting "CFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS}" in /etc/make.conf. -Wconversion is not # included here due to compiler bugs, e.g., mkdir()'s mode_t argument. -# #BDECFLAGS= -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \ # -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline \ # -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \ @@ -74,7 +69,6 @@ # this instead of CFLAGS (which is not applicable to kernel builds anyway). # There is very little to gain by using higher optimization levels, and doing # so can cause problems. -# #COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe # # To build the system compiler such that it forces high optimization levels to @@ -99,6 +93,13 @@ # Without the setuid bit, newgrp cannot change users' groups. #ENABLE_SUID_NEWGRP= true # +# To disable cleaning during ``make buildworld''. This should not be set +# unless you know what you are doing. +#NOCLEAN= true +# +# To run ``${MAKE} clean'' instead of ``${MAKE} cleandir''. +#NOCLEANDIR= true +# # To avoid building various parts of the base system: #NO_CVS= true # do not build CVS #NO_CXX= true # do not build C++ and friends @@ -130,7 +131,6 @@ # built by default because they clobber a number of system manpages with # manpages describing parts of the OpenSSL toolkit, including passwd(1), # err(3), md5(3), and others. -# #WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES= true # # To build sys/modules when building the world (our old way of doing things) @@ -157,13 +157,10 @@ # # If you do not want unformatted manual pages to be compressed # when they are installed: -# #NOMANCOMPRESS= true # -# # If you want the "compat" shared libraries installed as part of your normal # builds, uncomment these: -# #COMPAT1X= yes #COMPAT20= yes #COMPAT21= yes @@ -171,18 +168,14 @@ #COMPAT3X= yes #COMPAT4X= yes # -# # Default format for system documentation, depends on your printer. # Set this to "ascii" for simple printers or screen -# #PRINTERDEVICE= ps # -# # How long to wait for a console keypress before booting the default kernel. # This value is approximately in milliseconds. Keypresses are accepted by the # BIOS before booting from disk, making it possible to give custom boot # parameters even when this is set to 0. -# #BOOTWAIT=0 #BOOTWAIT=30000 # @@ -194,31 +187,24 @@ # a serial port as our console at all. Alter as necessary. # # COM1: = 0x3F8, COM2: = 0x2F8, COM3: = 0x3E8, COM4: = 0x2E8 -# #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 # # The default serial console speed is 9600. Set the speed to a larger value # for better interactive response. -# #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_SPEED= 115200 # # By default the 'pxeboot' loader retrieves the kernel via NFS. Defining # this and recompiling /usr/src/sys/boot will cause it to retrieve the kernel # via TFTP. This allows pxeboot to load a custom BOOTP diskless kernel yet # still mount the server's '/' (i.e. rather than load the server's kernel). -# #LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT= YES # -# # Kerberos IV # If you want KerberosIV (KTH eBones), define this: -# #MAKE_KERBEROS4= yes # -# # Kerberos 5 # If you want Kerberos 5 (KTH Heimdal), define this: -# #MAKE_KERBEROS5= yes # # Kerberos 5 su (k5su) @@ -230,34 +216,31 @@ # Kerberos5 # If you want to install MIT Kerberos5 port somewhere other than /usr/local, # define this (this is also used to tell ssh1 that kerberos is needed): -# #KRB5_HOME= /usr/local # # # CVSup update flags. Edit SUPFILE settings to reflect whichever distribution # file(s) you use on your site (see /usr/share/examples/cvsup/README for more # information on CVSup and these files). To use, do "make update" in /usr/src. -# #SUP_UPDATE= yes -# #SUP= /usr/local/bin/cvsup #SUPFLAGS= -g -L 2 #SUPHOST= cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org #SUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile #PORTSSUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile #DOCSUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile +#SUPFILE1= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/cvs-supfile +#SUPFILE2= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/gnats-supfile # # top(1) uses a hash table for the user names. The size of this hash # can be tuned to match the number of local users. The table size should # be a prime number approximately twice as large as the number of lines in # /etc/passwd. The default number is 20011. -# #TOP_TABLE_SIZE= 101 # # Documentation # # The list of languages and encodings to build and install -# #DOC_LANG= en_US.ISO8859-1 ru_RU.KOI8-R # # @@ -270,7 +253,6 @@ # Avoid using a value of /etc/mail/sendmail.mc as a buildworld will # create /etc/mail/sendmail.cf before installworld installs an # updated sendmail binary. -# #SENDMAIL_MC=/etc/mail/myconfig.mc # # The following sets the default m4 configuration file for mail @@ -280,7 +262,6 @@ # Avoid using a value of /etc/mail/submit.mc as a buildworld will # create /etc/mail/submit.cf before installworld installs an # updated sendmail binary. -# #SENDMAIL_SUBMIT_MC=/etc/mail/mysubmit.mc # # If you need to build additional .cf files during a make buildworld, @@ -288,13 +269,11 @@ # Avoid using a value of /etc/mail/sendmail.mc as a buildworld will # create /etc/mail/sendmail.cf before installworld installs an # updated sendmail binary. -# #SENDMAIL_ADDITIONAL_MC=/etc/mail/foo.mc /etc/mail/bar.mc # # Setting the following variable modifies the flags passed to m4 when # building a .cf file from a .mc file. It can be used to enable # features disabled by default. -# #SENDMAIL_M4_FLAGS= # # Setting the following variables modifies the build environment for @@ -316,7 +295,6 @@ # sendmail.mc file: # # define(`confDONT_BLAME_SENDMAIL',`GroupReadableSASLDBFile') -# #SENDMAIL_CFLAGS= #SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS= #SENDMAIL_LDADD= @@ -327,10 +305,8 @@ # prevent the installation of /etc/mail/submit.cf. # This is a deprecated mode of operation. See etc/mail/README for more # information. -# #SENDMAIL_SET_USER_ID= # # The permissions to use on alias and map databases generated using # /etc/mail/Makefile. Defaults to 0640. -# #SENDMAIL_MAP_PERMS= --- make.conf.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 4:52:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DC337B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from progress-neva.ru (Progress-Neva-1.vmb-service.ru [80.73.195.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E535C43E4A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kubyshkin@progress-neva.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by progress-neva.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07765 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org.KAV; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:59:20 GMT Received: from dmitry ([192.168.20.7]) by progress-neva.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07756 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:59:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: progress-neva.ru: Host [192.168.20.7] claimed to be dmitry Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:49:11 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?B?69XC2dvLyc4g5M3J1NLJyg==?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?69XC2dvLyc4g5M3J1NLJyg==?= Organization: =?koi8-r?B?8NLPx9LF09Mg7sXXwQ==?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5821609187.20021119154911@progress-neva.ru> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org help To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 11:28:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B9C37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from softweyr.com (softweyr.com [209.63.227.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2739E43E77; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from homer.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39] helo=softweyr.com) by softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18EE2U-0000N2-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:28:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3DDA90CD.387D6C9A@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:28:13 -0800 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Johnson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? References: <20021117115616.T301-100000@extortion.peterh.dropbear.id.au> <3DD6EEA0.AD524CA2@ene.asda.gr> <200211171306.31020.stest033@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Johnson wrote: > > On Saturday 16 November 2002 08:19 pm, Lefteris Tsintjelis wrote: > > It sure is misleading. Why is it called -stable then? You would expect > > to stand up to its name. > > It is called -stable because once upon a time it was intended to > BE stable. Commits to -stable were only supposed to happen after > they had been well tested in -current. This still applies, however the additional release branches were created because it is virtually impossible to MFC any feature of substantial size without introducing *some* instability in -STABLE. On the whole, the -STABLE branch is quite stable, but that says little about the stability at any random point in time. The stable branch releases have very little change and no new features at all after the release itself, only critical security and/or stability fixes. > The FreeBSD documentation > specifically recommended running -stable in a production environment. That was before the release branches were created. If the handbook fails to recommend the most up-to-date branch now, it most definitely should be corrected. Would you like to research this and write a PR if necessary? > In those days (not terribly long ago), and -current was the beta test > environment for stuff that had been alpha tested by those who applied > patches on their own. Once code proved stable in -current, it was > moved to -stable. Real effort was put in to keeping -stable suitable > for production environments. And it still is. We face this problem before, in the 2.2.x->3.0 branch timeframe, because -CURRENT had deviated so widely from -STABLE. We'll go through it again (most likely) with the next -CURRENT branch that is wildly different from -STABLE. It is quite easy to see this as a problem, but it is also easy to see it as an opportunity to improve our documentation. > It may be that -stable is no longer stable because it was allowed (for > valid reasons) to diverge considerably from -current. -current > and -stable are almost two separate projects. Or perhaps the idea has > taken hold that -current is the alpha branch, and -stable is the beta > branch because of assumptions carried into FreeBSD from other projects > that various committers have worked on. Or perhaps the rapid pace of > development has made the old model obsolete. Or maybe the old model > was never really a good one, but it was at least a goal that strived for. Some of all of the above. Mostly the project has evolved. The release branches are the result of more people to work on FreeBSD, some of whom are quite interested in making sure that the stable branch releases *are* production ready. Make use of their work, and contribute if you can. > As things stand now, it appears that -current is the alpha branch, > -stable is the not-so-stable beta branch, and RELENG_4_7 is the stable > branch. But it also helps to remember the original (although widely > forgotten) definition of "beta" testing: it is the final testing phase of a > design that is believed to be ready for production, and thus should be > intended to be as stable as a production system, and not as an > experimental testbed for new features. Perhaps by that definition, > -stable always WAS "beta", and it is the definition of "beta" that > has changed. Thanks for the summary, Bob. I look forward to your report on the state of the Handbook on this subject. I'm certain if there is a problem you don't feel up to addressing yourself, one of our wonderful scribes on the -doc mailing list will step up to help you with the task, and to get your/their changes committed. I've cc'd them on this just in case you need the help, and directed replies there. Thanks in advance for your contribution. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 12:30:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2271337B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30E643E97 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJKU3x3088616 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJKU3Rr088615; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211192030.gAJKU3Rr088615@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Carl Schmidt Subject: Re: docs/45470: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. Reply-To: Carl Schmidt Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/45470; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Carl Schmidt To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/45470: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:23:59 -0500 There is a typo in the first patch. A corrected patch follows: --- share/man/man5/make.conf.5.old Mon Nov 18 20:07:02 2002 +++ share/man/man5/make.conf.5 Tue Nov 19 02:55:46 2002 @@ -111,6 +111,29 @@ .Bd -literal -offset indent CFLAGS+=${BDECFLAGS} .Ed +.It Va CPUTYPE +.Pq Vt str +Controls which processor should be targeted for generated +code. This controls processor-specific optimizations in +certain code (currently only OpenSSL) as well as modifying +the value of +.Va CFLAGS +and +.Va COPTFLAGS +to contain the appropriate optimization directive to gcc. +The automatic setting of +.Va CFLAGS +and +.Va COPTFLAGS +may be overridden using the +.Va NO_CPU_CFLAGS +and +.Va NO_CPU_COPTFLAGS +variables, respectively. Refer to +.Pa /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf +for a list of recognized +.Va CPUTYPE +options. .It Va CVS_UPDATE .Pq Vt bool Set this to use @@ -144,6 +167,17 @@ make's in .Pa /usr/src in this variable. +.It Va MAKE_SHELL +.Pq Vt str +Controls the shell used internally by +.Xr make 1 +to process the command scripts in makefiles. Three shells +are supported, sh, ksh, and csh. Using sh is most common, +and advised. Using ksh *may* work, but is not guaranteed +to. Using csh is absurd. The default is to use sh. +.Bd -literal -offset indent +MAKE_SHELL?=sh +.Ed .It Va MTREE_FOLLOWS_SYMLINKS .Pq Vt str Set this to @@ -189,40 +223,30 @@ .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard\-supfile . .It Va SUPFILE1 .Pq Vt str The second .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/secure\-supfile . .It Va SUPFILE2 .Pq Vt str The third .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/secure\-supfile . .It Va PORTSSUPFILE .Pq Vt str The ports .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports\-supfile . .It Va DOCSUPFILE .Pq Vt str The documentation .Ar supfile to use when doing a .Dq Li "make update" . -This defaults to -.Pa /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc\-supfile . .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables @@ -271,6 +295,18 @@ .Pa MINE . It defaults to .Pa GENERIC . +.It Va LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT +.Pq Vt bool +While not a buildkernel-affected option, there is no better place for this. +By default the ``pxeboot'' loader retrieves the kernel via NFS. Defining +this and recompiling +.Pa /usr/src/sys/boot +will cause it to retrieve the kernel via TFTP. This allows pxeboot to +load a custom BOOTP diskless kernel yet still mount the server's `/' +(i.e., rather than load the server's kernel). +.It Va MODULES_OVERRIDE +.Pq Vt str +Set to a list of modules to build instead of all of them. .It Va NO_KERNELCONFIG .Pq Vt bool Set this to skip running @@ -286,9 +322,6 @@ .It Va NO_MODULES .Pq Vt bool Set to not build modules with the kernel. -.It Va MODULES_OVERRIDE -.Pq Vt str -Set to a list of modules to build instead of all of them. .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables @@ -331,6 +364,11 @@ Command to use to fetch files. Normally .Xr fetch 1 . +.It Va KRB5_HOME +.Pq Vt str +If you want to install the MIT Kerberos5 port somewhere other than +.Pa /usr/local , +define this. This is also used to tell ssh1 that kerberos is needed). .It Va MAKE_IDEA .Pq Vt bool Set to build the IDEA encryption code. @@ -361,12 +399,22 @@ Otherwise, .Xr newgrp 1 will not be able to change users' groups. +.It Va ENABLE_SUID_SSH +.Pq Vt bool +Set this to insall +.Xr ssh 1 +with the setuid bit turned on. .It Va MODULES_WITH_WORLD .Pq Vt bool Set to build modules with the system instead of the kernel. .It Va NO_CVS .Pq Vt bool Set to not build CVS. +.It Va NO_CXX +.Pq Vt bool +Set to not build +.Xr g++ 1 +and related libraries. .It Va NO_BIND .Pq Vt bool Set to not build BIND. @@ -375,6 +423,10 @@ Set to not build .Xr g77 1 and related libraries. +.It Va NO_GDB +.Pq Vt bool +Set to not build +.Xr gdb 1 .It Va NO_I4B .Pq Vt bool Set to not build isdn4bsd package. @@ -596,6 +648,14 @@ Mode to use when generating alias and map database files using .Pa /etc/mail/Makefile . The default value is 0640. +.It Va TOP_TABLE_SIZE +.Pq Vt int +.Xr top 1 +uses a hash table for the user names. The size of this hash can be tuned +to match the number of local users. The table size should be a prime number +approximately twice as large as the number of lines in +.Pa /etc/passwd . +The default number is 20011. .It Va WANT_FORCE_OPTIMIZATION_DOWNGRADE .Pq Vt int Causes the system compiler to be built such that it forces high optimization @@ -605,6 +665,15 @@ and above is known to trigger known optimizer bugs at various times \(em this is worse on the Alpha platform. The value assigned is the highest optimization value used. +.It Va WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES +.Pq Vt bool +Set this to build the OpenSSL manual pages. These are not built by +default because they clobber a number of system manual pages with +manual pages describing parts of the OpenSSL toolkit, including +.Xr passwd 1 , +.Xr err 3 , +.Xr md5 3 , +and others. .El .Pp The following list provides a name and short description for variables To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 13: 9:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3C037B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3FE43E6E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (p53056-adsao12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.96.135.56]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743B55A61; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:09:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.allbsd.org (8.12.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id gAJKuRB2018740; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:56:27 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:54:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20021120.055442.27000510.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: ni@merkury.pol.lublin.pl Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: encouraging documentation writing From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20021119031412.B40789@merkury.pol.lublin.pl> References: <20021118160854.X43606-100000@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr> <200211181258.40207.linimon@lonesome.com> <20021119031412.B40789@merkury.pol.lublin.pl> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lukasz Bojarski wrote in <20021119031412.B40789@merkury.pol.lublin.pl>: ni> I think this will not eliminate the demand mentioned in the Mark's suggestion, ni> because only-Polish writers cannot directly take part in the work of FDP, but ni> could be helpful in finding volunteers to create new documentation, if every ni> translation team encourages people in their counry. Good point. Although Japanese folks also have excellent documentations in Japanese, the translating them into English is very difficult---it is possible to translate itself, but reviewing them is difficult due to the lack of native speakers who can review. If anyone volunteers to arrange such works in FDP, I think it greatly helps for both of the translation team and FDP. -- | Hiroki SATO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 15:28:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3362437B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E2B43E6E; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:28:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAJNS3j10440; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:28:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:28:03 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Wes Peters Cc: Bob Johnson , stable@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? Message-ID: <20021119182803.L8853@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3DDA90CD.387D6C9A@softweyr.com> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.9-12smp i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > > The FreeBSD documentation > > specifically recommended running -stable in a production > > environment. > > That was before the release branches were created. If the handbook > fails to recommend the most up-to-date branch now, it most definitely > should be corrected. Would you like to research this and write a > PR if necessary? The handbook does not say this and hasn't for quite a while. It in fact recommends *against* tracking -stable if you only want to track security fixes. I think it puts things quite accurately: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 16:41:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DCA37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3187E43E6E; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK0fux3064027; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK0fuZ8064023; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200211200041.gAK0fuZ8064023@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45470: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Document everything in make.conf(5) and make.conf. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Nov 19 16:41:36 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll grab this one on up. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45470 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 16:43:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D36A37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30B343E77; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK0hCx3064225; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK0hC39064221; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:43:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200211200043.gAK0hC39064221@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45418: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: NO_CPU_CFLAGS not documented in make.conf(5) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Nov 19 16:42:34 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take care of this Giorgos. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45418 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 17:46:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FFA37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A342F43E3B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: from user-2ivfi4r.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.200.155] helo=rover) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EJww-0002oH-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:46:42 -0800 From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: "Rahul Siddharthan" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:46:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20021119182803.L8853@papagena.rockefeller.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rahul Siddharthan > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:28 PM > To: Wes Peters > Cc: Bob Johnson; stable@FreeBSD.ORG; doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? > > > The handbook does not say this and hasn't for quite a while. It in > fact recommends *against* tracking -stable if you only want to track > security fixes. I think it puts things quite accurately: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current- stable.html That is precisly the point, in the past the handbook had a different defination of what constituded an acceptible use of -stable. Look at revision 1.35 of the file. You'll see that the defination has evolved, and not in a direction that implies greater stability, rather it has grown in a direction that implies less stability. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cut ting-edge/chapter.sgml?rev=1.35&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Who needs FreeBSD-stable? If you are a commercial user or someone who puts maximum stability of their FreeBSD system before all other concerns, you should consider tracking stable. This is especially true if you have installed the most recent release -RELEASE at the time of this writing) since the stable branch is effectively a bug-fix stream relative to the previous release. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 17:54:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821737B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28CB43E91 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from user-0cev11d.cable.mindspring.com ([24.239.132.45] helo=bluerondo.a.la.turk) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EK4g-0005Pd-00 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:54:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 2046 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Nov 2002 01:54:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:54:39 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? Message-ID: <20021120015439.GA403@papagena.rockefeller.edu> References: <20021119182803.L8853@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sameer R. Manek said on Nov 19, 2002 at 17:46:41: > > > > > > The handbook does not say this and hasn't for quite a while. It in > > fact recommends *against* tracking -stable if you only want to track > > security fixes. I think it puts things quite accurately: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current- > stable.html > > That is precisly the point, in the past the handbook had a different > defination of what constituded an acceptible use of -stable. Sure. But if you're running today's -stable, read today's handbook. Speaking for myself, while we non-developers are waiting for 5.0-RELEASE, I'd much rather have an evolving -stable with frequent MFC's, than a bugfix-only -stable. People who really need stability can always stick to the release branches. I'm not complaining... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 19:51:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F2637B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDB743E6E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulbeard@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id gAK3paaH005115 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([12.231.115.57]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H5UW1Z00.6BI for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDB06BD.9080104@mac.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:51:25 -0800 From: paul beard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD.org - Document not found Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org anyone know where the primer for new contributors might be? The file http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html does not exist at this server. You are coming from http://www.de.freebsd.org/~wosch/papers/webbuild.html#ch-2. -- Paul Beard / 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 / paulbeard [at] mac [ dot] com / 206 529 8400 weblog @ Mistakes are often the stepping stones to utter failure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 20: 7: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D8F37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528BD43E3B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a186.otenet.gr [212.205.215.186]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK46r44001033; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK46mtJ001380; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK46il2001375; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:06:09 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: paul beard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org - Document not found Message-ID: <20021120040609.GA1319@gothmog.gr> References: <3DDB06BD.9080104@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DDB06BD.9080104@mac.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-11-19 19:51, paul beard wrote: > anyone know where the primer for new contributors might be? > > > > The file > > http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html > > does not exist at this server. 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Regards, Chris Rogert Cheap Domain Registration To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Nov 19 23:19:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6702037B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0596B43E75 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 28267 invoked by uid 10); 20 Nov 2002 07:19:11 -0000 Received: from nathan.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK7HcdU074814; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:17:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue@nathan.internal) Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK7Hbrf074813; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:17:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:17:37 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/sgml man-refs.ent Message-ID: <20021120071736.GF21777@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <200211192233.gAJMX3uv015860@repoman.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211192233.gAJMX3uv015860@repoman.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 02:33:03PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > bmah 2002/11/19 14:33:03 PST > > Modified files: > share/sgml man-refs.ent > Log: > Add entity for sn(4). > > Revision Changes Path > 1.171 +1 -0 doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent Seems it's time for another mme/sme run to catch up on all those man entities not yet in the tree... -- It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 0:22: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4441C37B401; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA01343E4A; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK8M1x3096292; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK8M1BJ096288; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:22:01 -0800 (PST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200211200822.gAK8M1BJ096288@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45516: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Nov 20 00:17:06 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Documentation report. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45516 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 4:54:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990537B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A922043E91 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:54:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:32 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021120125437.A922043E91@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > DEAR FRIEND, > THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE > HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY > SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST > FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. > IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT > I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. > I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS > SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . > MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF > MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS > (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL > ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT > MILLION, FIVE > HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS > SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR > HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY > GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS > A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING > THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT > TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY > WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY > KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I > SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. > I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY > BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL > CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO > IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. > WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF > OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO > REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE > SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION > NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED > TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF > THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. > I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER > ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS > AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY > IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT > CONFIDENTIAL. > YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com > YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN > THE NETHERLANDS ON;davidsavimbi1@hotmail.com > > YOURS SINCERELY, > SANDRA SAVIMBI. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 4:54:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C2A37B408 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6950743EA3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:54:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:33 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021120125440.6950743EA3@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > DEAR FRIEND, > THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE > HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY > SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST > FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. > IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT > I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. > I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS > SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . > MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF > MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS > (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL > ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT > MILLION, FIVE > HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS > SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR > HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY > GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS > A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING > THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT > TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY > WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY > KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I > SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. > I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY > BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL > CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO > IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. > WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF > OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO > REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE > SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION > NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED > TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF > THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. > I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER > ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS > AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY > IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT > CONFIDENTIAL. > YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com > YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN > THE NETHERLANDS ON;davidsavimbi1@hotmail.com > > YOURS SINCERELY, > SANDRA SAVIMBI. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 5:43:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FED137B404; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128F943E42; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:43:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (tom@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKDhex3004117; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from tom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAKDhesv004113; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:43:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Hukins Message-Id: <200211201343.gAKDhesv004113@freefall.freebsd.org> To: tom@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/44870: Most sysconf(3) variables are undocumented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Most sysconf(3) variables are undocumented Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: tom Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Nov 20 05:42:31 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is a documentation PR http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44870 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 9:50: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6437B404; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A71E43E91; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021120175001.VUVN21905.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:50:01 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKHo0IQ059273; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAKHo0Ql059272; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211201750.gAKHo0Ql059272@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20021120 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/sgml man-refs.ent In-Reply-To: <20021120071736.GF21777@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <200211192233.gAJMX3uv015860@repoman.freebsd.org> <20021120071736.GF21777@nathan.ruhr.de> Comments: In-reply-to Udo Erdelhoff message dated "Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:17:37 +0100." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_764700080P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:50:00 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_764700080P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 02:33:03PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > bmah 2002/11/19 14:33:03 PST > > > > Modified files: > > share/sgml man-refs.ent > > Log: > > Add entity for sn(4). > > > > Revision Changes Path > > 1.171 +1 -0 doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent > > Seems it's time for another mme/sme run to catch up on all those man > entities not yet in the tree... It'd be good to do this on a CURRENT system. sn(4) only existed on CURRENT until I MFC-ed it yesterday. Bruce. --==_Exmh_764700080P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE928tI2MoxcVugUsMRAiZkAJ9AJM+iovHnz8S3l3EC/VqeS6P32gCg4YEh 6eDhEBdmnQTSa2WU/aCSwwI= =uY0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_764700080P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 12: 0:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404A337B404; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9069343E9E; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:00:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nk@viteno.net) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Eb1I-0006RI-08; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:00:20 +0100 Received: from viteno.dyns.net (520054833674-0001@[80.131.18.215]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18Eb15-1BO8GmC; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:00:07 +0100 Received: from nk by viteno.dyns.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Eb14-0002Uv-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:00:06 +0100 To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45295: [PATCH] FAQ entry about XEmacs's wheel-mouse support References: <200211141930.gAEJU1LZ099036@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Norbert Koch X-Attribution: viteno X-Face: 5*nyF1\39:,h6Sk1<}(t1O5x!y5y6@XzBRq5LAYj;Xzb*Ak,]@$HL@>: c&#dUFU=U8O(+/6T0k{j{1~uS@GVk4zurEEb.~MoSbG2pM4z!~/<@.tcd `uD`fNR+TM\@++x@!/Bq)24"xD_kGn,jqwVQa|R'|FFxgWa+$0x]p>KE9E /Xk0$%a*2*K]"zOtbk9v0sNgwb2H"IOaEjCVolb5&yW`o#w2}!w!M{Dn&{K0t Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:00:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200211141930.gAEJU1LZ099036@freefall.freebsd.org> (FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org's message of "Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:30:01 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Military Intelligence, i386-unknown-freebsd4.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Sender: 520054833674-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org writes: > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `docs/45295'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-doc. Uhm, sorry for not sending in the correct patch the first time. Here's a patch against en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml. I've also changed Xemacs -> XEmacs, since this is the official way of writing (I'll send in a patch for other sources in a different PR). norbert. --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml Sat Nov 16 19:18:50 2002 +++ book.sgml Wed Nov 20 20:47:34 2002 @@ -7634,7 +7634,7 @@ (optional) If you use emacs or - Xemacs, then you need to + XEmacs, then you need to add a small section to your ~/.emacs file. For emacs, add the @@ -7657,24 +7657,17 @@ ;;; end imwheel section - For Xemacs, add the + For XEmacs, add the following to your ~/.emacs file instead: - <application>Xemacs</application> Configuration + <title><application>XEmacs</application> Configuration for <application>Imwheel</application> ;;; For imwheel -(setq imwheel-scroll-interval 3) -(defun imwheel-scroll-down-some-lines () - (interactive) - (scroll-down imwheel-scroll-interval)) -(defun imwheel-scroll-up-some-lines () - (interactive) - (scroll-up imwheel-scroll-interval)) -(define-key global-map [(control meta \))] 'imwheel-scroll-up-some-lines) -(define-key global-map [(control meta \()] 'imwheel-scroll-down-some-lines) +(mwheel-install) +(setq mwheel-follow-mouse t) ;;; end imwheel section To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 12:10: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165D37B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F295043E9E for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKKA2x3069385 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAKKA2vx069384; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211202010.gAKKA2vx069384@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Norbert Koch Subject: Re: docs/45295: [PATCH] FAQ entry about XEmacs's wheel-mouse support Reply-To: Norbert Koch Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/45295; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Norbert Koch To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45295: [PATCH] FAQ entry about XEmacs's wheel-mouse support Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:00:06 +0100 FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org writes: > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `docs/45295'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-doc. Uhm, sorry for not sending in the correct patch the first time. Here's a patch against en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml. I've also changed Xemacs -> XEmacs, since this is the official way of writing (I'll send in a patch for other sources in a different PR). norbert. --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml Sat Nov 16 19:18:50 2002 +++ book.sgml Wed Nov 20 20:47:34 2002 @@ -7634,7 +7634,7 @@ (optional) If you use emacs or - Xemacs, then you need to + XEmacs, then you need to add a small section to your ~/.emacs file. For emacs, add the @@ -7657,24 +7657,17 @@ ;;; end imwheel section - For Xemacs, add the + For XEmacs, add the following to your ~/.emacs file instead: - <application>Xemacs</application> Configuration + <title><application>XEmacs</application> Configuration for <application>Imwheel</application> ;;; For imwheel -(setq imwheel-scroll-interval 3) -(defun imwheel-scroll-down-some-lines () - (interactive) - (scroll-down imwheel-scroll-interval)) -(defun imwheel-scroll-up-some-lines () - (interactive) - (scroll-up imwheel-scroll-interval)) -(define-key global-map [(control meta \))] 'imwheel-scroll-up-some-lines) -(define-key global-map [(control meta \()] 'imwheel-scroll-down-some-lines) +(mwheel-install) +(setq mwheel-follow-mouse t) ;;; end imwheel section To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 14:30: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9559037B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C585E43E9E for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKMU1x3007816 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAKMU143007815; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8F137B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.65.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14FDA43EAA for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:22:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 20580 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2002 22:22:14 -0000 Received: from p508bced9.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.206.217) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 22:22:14 -0000 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAKMM8Xs000463 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:22:13 +0100 (CET) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAKMM8Iu000462; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:22:08 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200211202222.gAKMM8Iu000462@oak.pohoyda.family> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:22:08 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Pohoyda Reply-To: Alexander Pohoyda To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/45541: Typo in the name of configuration file Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45541 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in the name of configuration file >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Nov 20 14:30:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Pohoyda >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 i386 >Organization: SAP AG >Environment: System: FreeBSD oak.pohoyda.family 4.5-RC3 FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 #18: Mon Sep 30 11:54:15 CEST 2002 apog@oak.pohoyda.family:/usr/src/sys/compile/OAK i386 >Description: There is a typo in the name of an X Session Manager configuration file. `man 1 xsm' or `man 7 X' will prove this. >How-To-Repeat: Open http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-xdm.html and search for the ".xsessionrc" string. >Fix: File should be named ".xsession" >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 14:42: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CDF37B401; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2065543E42; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKMg4x3011748; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAKMg3In011744; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200211202242.gAKMg3In011744@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/45541: Typo in the name of configuration file Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in the name of configuration file State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Wed Nov 20 14:41:18 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: I've changed .xsessionrc to .xsession. Thanks :) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Nov 20 14:41:18 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45541 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18: 8:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5D237B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2F7543E97 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:10:11 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121020817.C2F7543E97@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18: 9: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A85237B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.ORG (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB96343EBE for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:10:50 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121020856.AB96343EBE@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:23:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D5C37B406 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06E6743EEF for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:25:33 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121022342.06E6743EEF@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:24:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E13537B401; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE73743EE5; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL2O4x3076981; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL2O42h076977; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:04 -0800 (PST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200211210224.gAL2O42h076977@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, darrenr@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/43980: ipf(5) missing "gre" keyword Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ipf(5) missing "gre" keyword Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->darrenr Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Nov 20 18:23:04 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: Darren is our ipfilter guy. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=43980 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:24:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254F637B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.ORG (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2C5E43EE1 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:24:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:26:32 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121022438.B2C5E43EE1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:30: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3540037B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E312F43E42 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL2U2x3077163 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL2U2BB077161; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:30:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211210230.gAL2U2BB077161@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/44435: sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/44435; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: slaven.rezic@berlin.de Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/44435: sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:20:42 +0200 The suggested command doesn't work on the tcsh prompt for me, but it does work if put it in my .tcshrc file. Do you mind if I commit a slightly different patch than the one in the PR? One that explicitly mentions .tcshrc like below: %%% Index: sysctl.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/sysctl/sysctl.8,v retrieving revision 1.47 diff -u -r1.47 sysctl.8 --- sysctl.8 6 Jul 2002 19:35:04 -0000 1.47 +++ sysctl.8 21 Nov 2002 02:15:07 -0000 @@ -95,6 +95,15 @@ listsysctls () { set -A reply $(sysctl -AN ${1%.*}) } compctl -K listsysctls sysctl .Ed +.Pp +or if you are using +.Nm tcsh +as your shell, add the following to your +.Pa .tcshrc +file: +.Bd -literal -offset indent +complete sysctl 'n/*/`sysctl -Na`/' +.Ed .It Fl n Show only variable values, not their names. This option is useful for setting shell variables. %%% To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:38:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A0537B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.ca (modemcable040.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.226.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B1CA43E88 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Didier_b__r@yahoo.ca) Reply-To: Message-ID: <005c77b32d5c$4176c4a5$3bb81ce1@jdjbax> From: To: Didier_br@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Йpargnez de 15% а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:25:49 +0700 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Du bureau de Didier Bonneville-Roussy St-Barthйlemy Cher ami et entrepreneur, Ceci est le premier numйro de la Lettre du marketing gйomйtrique. Le coыt de l'abonnement pour un an est de 197$. Par contre, j'ai dйcidй de vous envoyer cette premiиre lettre gratuitement et de vous offrir un abonnement d'essai de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Lisez attentivement les informations que je vous livre dans ces huit pages et dйcidez-vous dans les 15 jours. Il y a 7 ans, lorsque j'ai commencй en marketing, je me suis rendu compte que je pouvais йpargner des sommes considйrables en frais de publicitй en йtudiant de maniиre approfondie la nature de la relation entre les mйdias et les agences de publicitй, ainsi qu'entre les mйdias et les organismes communautaires. J'ai remarquй deux choses: les agences paient toujours moins que les autres entreprises et les organismes communautaires paient toujours moins que les agence de publicitйs pour faire paraоtre leurs annonces. J'ai dйcouvert comment payer en tout temps le mкme prix que les agences (rabais de 15%) et dans certaines circonstances le mкme prix que les organismes communautaires (50% de rabais). Si vous me laissez vous expliquer comment tout cela fonctionne, vous serez, vous aussi, avant la fin de cette lettre, en mesure d'йpargner de 15% а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires, et mкme, dans certains cas, d'obtenir des pages et des pages de publicitйs gratuites. Commenзons par les agences. А peu prиs tous les mйdias, radio, tйlй, journaux, magazines, les agents de listes et les sites internet offrent un rabais automatique de 15% aux agences de publicitй qui placent des annonces. Lorsqu'on regarde dans le CARD (Canadian Advertising Rates And Data) et le SRDS (Standard Rates And Data Service), qui sont les deux rйpertoires des tarifs publicitaires, nous pouvons noter trois types de rabais: 1. Rabais au volume prйsentй sous forme de prix rйduit par ligne agate ou sous forme de prix rйduit pour un nombre prйdйterminй d'insertions en un an; 2. Un rabais de 15% aux agences; 3. Un rabais pour paiement rapide (gйnйralement de 2%). Le CARD et le SRDS portent tous deux la mention «rabais offert aux agences reconnues seulement», lorsque l'agence de publicitй peut bйnйficier d'un rabais. Cette mention ne vaut rien. En fait oui, elle vaut quelque chose, dans la mesure oщ elle vous dissuade de demander le rabais de 15% normalement attribuй а l'agence, si vous ne faites pas partie d'une agence reconnue. Mais зa, les reprйsentants publicitaires dans les diffйrents mйdias ne vous le disent pas. Pourquoi? Parce qu'ils sont rйmunйrйs а la commission et qu'il ont tout avantage а ne pas vous le dire. De plus, si vous faites vraiment partie d'une agence, vous utilisez nйcessairement le CARD et le SRDS et vous savez qu'il y a de tels rabais. Voici le premier secret: il n'existe rien de tel qu'une agence reconnue. N'importe quel zouave de Saint-Clin-clin peut-кtre une agence reconnue. Mon petit frиre de neuf ans pourrait, demain matin, devenir une agence reconnue s'il disait ces neuf petits mots: «Je veux le rabais que vous attribuez aux agences.» Certains mйdias sont plus dйsagrйables que d'autres et ne vous accorderont pas de rabais pour l'agence si votre compagnie ne porte pas un nom qui ressemble vaguement а celui d'une agence de publicitй. Mais, si vous кtes intelligent, ce que je crois puisque vous me lisez, vous allez courir au palais de justice et vous enregistrer un nom d'entreprise du genre «Bingo Marketing» pour 45$ et rappeler ce reprйsentant et lui dire que vous appellez maintenant d'une agence reconnue. Et vous voilа maintenant agence reconnue. Vous avez droit а un rabais de 15%. De plus, vous avez aussi droit au rabais pour paiement rapide de 2% si vos encaisses vous le permettent. C'est, en tout, 17% de rabais sur tous vos achats publicitaires que je viens de vous faire йpargner. Ceci est valable pour les journaux, les magazines, la radio, la tйlйvision, les sites internet, les agents de listes, les posters, les publi-sacs, etc. Maintenant, pour le rabais de type volume, je ne vous conseille en aucun cas de l'utiliser et surtout si une agence vous le propose. D'ailleurs, je dйfie n'importe qu'elle agence sur ce sujet. Prenez votre bottin et demandez-leur comment йpargner de l'argent sur vos achats publicitaires. Йcoutez attentivement la merde qu'ils vous servent et comparez l'information que je vous donne ici. Il n'y a aucune commune mesure. Revenons au rabais de type volume. En gros, c'est une proposition qui ne peut que dйfavoriser l'annonceur. D'abord, les rabais sont ridiculement bas, gйnйralement quelques dollars sur des milliers, ensuite, d'un point de vue strictment marketing gйomйtrique, c'est le meilleur moyen de vous faire avoir. Voici pourquoi: Il s'agit de contrats fondйs sur l'utilisation du mйdia sur une pйriode d'un an. Par exemple vous recevez un rabais de X% si vous placez 4 pleines pages ou plus sur un an. Si vous vous rendez compte que vos annonces ne sont pas profitables et que vous dйcidez de ne pas honorer le contrat, vous paierez le plein prix plus une pйnalitй. Je pourrais vous donner des milliers de raisons pour ne pas honorer un contrat publicitaire. Et il y en a autant de bonnes. Il me suffit simplement de dire que je prйfиre nettement payer un peu plus cher et limiter mon risque. Ensuite, les contrats vous empкchent de prendre d'autres types de rabais non annoncйs que vous DEVEZ demander vous mкme pour les obtenir. Le premier type de rabais que peu de gens connaissent est le rabais «premier annonceur». Lorsque vous contactez un journal, une station de radio, de tйlй, une revue, un site internet ou un gestionnaire de liste, demandez s'il y a un rabais «premier annonceur». Il y en a gйnйralement un. Il varie de 15% а 25%. Maintenant, а la diffйrence des contrats sur le volume, ces rabais «premiers annonceurs» peuvent кtre valides pour une pйriode prйdйterminйe qui peut s'йtendre jusqu'а un an. Lorsque vous demandez ce type de rabais, assurez-vous de sceller le prix pour une pйriode d'au moins trois mois. Par exemple, au lieu de payer 354$ pour un quart de pages dans l'Expression de Joliette, vous ne paierez que 285$ par parution pendant les trois premiers mois. Faites attention. Les reprйsentants publicitaires sont comme des rapaces sans vergogne. Si vous achetez votre publicitй en dйcembre et que l'on vous dit que ce prix est valide jusqu'а la fin de l'annйe, cela ne veut pas dire jusqu'en dйcembre de l'annйe suivante, mais jusqu'au mois de janvier. Un mois au lieu de 12. Cela fait toute une diffйrence. Maintenant, йcoutez-moi bien. Tous ces rabais sont commissionnables, c'est-а-dire que si vous obtenez 20% de rabais comme «premier annonceur» vous pouvez aussi obtenir le 15% de rabais supplйmentaire d'une agence plus le rabais de 2% pour paiement rapide. Une publicitй qui vous coыtait 1000$ vous en coыterait seulement 627,20$, soit un rabais de 37,28%. Comment les organismes а but non lucratif et les services publics peuvent vous faire йpargner gros, TRИS GROS. Nous sommes en pleine campagne de financement de Centraide. Ces deux derniers mois, Centraide а йtй un des plus gros annonceurs au Canada. Et pourtant, Centraide ne paie pas la moitiй de ce que d'autres compagnies paient pour s'annoncer. Pourquoi? Parce que les organismes communautaires et les services publics comme les SADC ont des tarifs prйfйrentiels, quand ils ne se font pas carrйment donner les espaces publicitaires. Vous avez certainement remarquй que depuis quelques annйes, TVA, TQS Global et CFCF 12 passent des infopubs aux heures de basse йcoute. Vous avez sans doute remarquй que, trиs souvent, les stations de radio et de tйlй, les journaux et les revues, annoncent leurs propres supplйments, йmissions spйciales et prйsentent des annonces de services publics. C'est ce que j'appelle des fillers. Ces publicitйs sont lа pour une chose: ne pas vous prйsenter 30 secondes d'йcran noir, de plat sonore ou ne pas prйsenter de pages blanches. Ces temps d'antenne et ces espaces publicitaires ne rapportent rien а la station ou а la publication. А chaque jour ou а chaque publication, а peu prиs 5% а 10% de l'espace publicitaire est invendu ou non utilisй pour cause de problиme technique. C'est lа que vous pouvez йpargner beaucoup. Ces espaces sont gйnйralement donnйs ou vendus а prix ridicules aux services publics et aux organismes communautaires. Une autre preuve courante que les mйdias perdent йnormйment d'argent sur les espaces invendus est la publicitй interne, comme l'annonce d'йmission de radio, de cahiers spйciaux, etc. Par exemple, je sais que la Presse du 16 novembre 2002 avait un inventaire de 21 250$ invendu dans le cahier affaires seulement. Soit 2 demi pages et 1 quart de page. Comme je n'ai pas portй trиs attention aux autres cahiers, je ne saurais me prononcer sur le reste. Ceci йtant dit, n'appelez pas votre reprйsentant publicitaire pour lui demander. Il vous rйpondra non, ou vous dira qu'il ne sait pas de quoi vous parlez. D'abord, il n'a aucun intйrкt а vous dire que des demi pages sont disponibles pour une bouchйe de pain. Ensuite les reprйsentants publicitaires ne sont pas au courant de ce qui arrive aux espaces invendus. Certains pourraient s'йchapper et vous faire dйcouvrir le pot-aux-roses. Je sais, vous ne lisez pas ceci pour connaоtre mon opinion sur les reprйsentants publicitaires, mais pour йpargner un paquet de bidoux sur votre prochaine campagne. Dans ce cas, йcoutez. Vous n'кtes ni propriйtaire de journal, ni dirigeant de services publics ou de groupe а but non-lucratif, mais vous pouvez йpargner jusqu'а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires en suivant ma dйmarche pas а pas. Ce que vous devez savoir est que vous n'avez pas la possibilitй de choisir votre emplacement, ni la date de parution lorsque vous fonctionnez avec les espaces invendus. Il est aussi inutile de demander aux reprйsentants publicitaires comment procйder. Votre publicitй doit кtre prкte et dans les mains dea mйdias au moment oщ ils sont prкt а la faire paraоtre. Autre chose а savoir: les imprimйs ont toujours un coыt intrinsиque а la parution d'une publicitй. Ces coыts sont reliйs а la production de l'йpreuve et l'impression de votre annonce, alors ne leur faites pas l'insulte de leur offrir une somme riducule. Ce n'est pas le cas pour les mйdias йlectroniques tels que la tйlй, la radio et internet. Pour les mйdias йlectroniques vous pouvez facilement obtenir jusqu'а 80% de rabais. Il faut absolument que vous laissiez paraоtre а votre interlocuteur que vous connaissez les rиgles du jeu. Voici ce que vous devez faire: 1. Prйparez votre publicitй. Un mйcanique (nйgatif de votre annonce) pour les imprimйs et une cassette pour les radios et tйlйs. 2. Faites une liste des directeurs de vente chez les mйdias que vous voulez utiliser; eux seuls ont le pouvoir de prendre une dйcision. Vous pouvez obtenir cette liste dans le CARD ou le SRDS qui sont disponibles dans les bibliothиques universitaires et certaines bibliothиques municipales. 3. Prйparez un chиque au nom du mйdia en question pour un montant йquivalent а 42% du tarif normal pour les imprimйs et 20% pour les mйdia йlectroniques. Maintenant rйdigez une lettre d'une page contenant tous les йlйments suivants: ё Expliquez qu'un de vos clients а exprimй sont intйrкt de faire paraоtre sa publicitй dans le mйdia en question; ё Que vous avez dы l'en dissuader aprиs avoir comparй les coыts avec d'autres publications du mкme genre; ё Que dans ces publications, la publicitй n'est profitable que lorsque vous travaillez sur des espaces invendus; ё Expliquez ce qu'est un espace invendu et ce que le mйdia en fait gйnйralement; ё Expliquez que vous avez йmis un chиque йquivalent а 42% du tarif rйgulier (50% + le 15% а l'agence) et que vous avez envoyй un mйcanique de l'annonce. Le montant peut descendre jusqu'а 20% pour les mйdias йlectroniques; ё Dites que le mйdia peut encaisser le chиque dиs qu'il fera paraоtre la publicitй sous ces conditions ou dйtruire le chиque et l'annonce s'il refuse; ё Donnez votre numйro de tйlйphone au cas oщ votre interlocuteur aurait une question; Et envoyez-la par Federal Express, Purolator ou UPS. Voici ce qui va arriver. Une certaine proportion de mйdia vont rejeter votre offre. Certains vont l'accepter et la vaste majoritй va vous contacter pour nйgocier un tarif prйfйrentiel plus йlevй que votre proposition. C'est а peu prиs tout ce que j'ai а dire sur le sujet ce mois-ci. Il me reste quelques trucs dans mon sac а surprise que je vous dйvoilerai dans d'autres lettres. Chaque mois, vous recevrez un numйro comme celui-ci. Plein de trucs et de secrets marketing inconnus du public. En fait, la plupart des consultants en marketing et agences de publicitй n'ont jamais utilisй, ni mкme entendu parler de ces techniques et stratйgies. Abonnez-vous pour trois mois pour seulement 7$ La lettre du marketing gйomйtrique sera vendue а 197$ par annйe dans quelques semaines. Mais, durant la pйriode de lancement, vous pouvez prendre un abonnement de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Je sais trиs bien que les gens d'affaires rйellement interressйs а utiliser les stratйgies que je prйsente reconnaоtront la valeur de la Lettre du marketing gйomйtrique. Je sais qu'aprиs votre abonnement d'essai, vous en voudrez plus et que vous renouvellerez votre abonnement au tarif rйgulier. Pour quelqu'un qui fait un minimum de publicitй, cette premiиre lettre, а elle seule, vaut trиs certainement le prix de l'abonnement. Les stratйgies incluses dans cette lettre ne sont qu'un pвle йchantillon de ce que j'ai а vous offrir. Comme le dit mon ami et client Mathieu Lagarde «En une heure l'information et les idйes de Didier m'ont йtй plus utiles que tous les livres et sйminaires que j'ai lus et йtudiйs sur les affaires». Abonnez-vous avant le 1ier dйcembre 2002 pour seulement 7$, vous recevrez trois lettres comme celle-ci par la poste au cours des trois prochains mois. didierroussy@hotmail.com Envoyez maintenant votre chиque ou mandat poste а l'ordre de: Didier Bonneville-Roussy 692 Rang York, St-Barthйlemy Quйbec J0K 1XO Sincиrement, Didier Bonneville-Roussy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ne plus resevoire ce courriel : Didier_b_r@yahoo.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 18:40: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A22F37B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A9643E9C for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL2e2x3079244 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL2e2BD079243; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211210240.gAL2e2BD079243@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/43864: Minor documentation to add Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/43864; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Khairil Yusof Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/43864: Minor documentation to add Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:38:16 +0200 On 2002-10-09 07:43, Khairil Yusof wrote: > At the start of printing, some text on making sure that the LPD > daemon is running first eg. > > "Make sure that the LPD daemon is loaded and running by adding > lpd_enable="YES" in rc.conf on startup. Part of the "Printing" chapter reads: : Turn on <application>LPD</application> : : &man.lpd.8; is run from /etc/rc, : controlled by the lpd_enable variable. This : variable defaults to NO. If you have not done : so already, add the line: : : lpd_enable="YES" This has been in the book for a while. Do you still think that it needs to be changed? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 19:11:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6852F37B406; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.ca (modemcable040.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.226.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9EE543EAA; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Didier_b__r@yahoo.ca) Reply-To: Message-ID: <030a44b74c7a$2638b4d3$2ae71be5@shtkwy> From: To: Didier_br@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Йpargnez de 15% а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires! Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:07:34 -0000 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Du bureau de Didier Bonneville-Roussy St-Barthйlemy Cher ami et entrepreneur, Ceci est le premier numйro de la Lettre du marketing gйomйtrique. Le coыt de l'abonnement pour un an est de 197$. Par contre, j'ai dйcidй de vous envoyer cette premiиre lettre gratuitement et de vous offrir un abonnement d'essai de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Lisez attentivement les informations que je vous livre dans ces huit pages et dйcidez-vous dans les 15 jours. Il y a 7 ans, lorsque j'ai commencй en marketing, je me suis rendu compte que je pouvais йpargner des sommes considйrables en frais de publicitй en йtudiant de maniиre approfondie la nature de la relation entre les mйdias et les agences de publicitй, ainsi qu'entre les mйdias et les organismes communautaires. J'ai remarquй deux choses: les agences paient toujours moins que les autres entreprises et les organismes communautaires paient toujours moins que les agence de publicitйs pour faire paraоtre leurs annonces. J'ai dйcouvert comment payer en tout temps le mкme prix que les agences (rabais de 15%) et dans certaines circonstances le mкme prix que les organismes communautaires (50% de rabais). Si vous me laissez vous expliquer comment tout cela fonctionne, vous serez, vous aussi, avant la fin de cette lettre, en mesure d'йpargner de 15% а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires, et mкme, dans certains cas, d'obtenir des pages et des pages de publicitйs gratuites. Commenзons par les agences. А peu prиs tous les mйdias, radio, tйlй, journaux, magazines, les agents de listes et les sites internet offrent un rabais automatique de 15% aux agences de publicitй qui placent des annonces. Lorsqu'on regarde dans le CARD (Canadian Advertising Rates And Data) et le SRDS (Standard Rates And Data Service), qui sont les deux rйpertoires des tarifs publicitaires, nous pouvons noter trois types de rabais: 1. Rabais au volume prйsentй sous forme de prix rйduit par ligne agate ou sous forme de prix rйduit pour un nombre prйdйterminй d'insertions en un an; 2. Un rabais de 15% aux agences; 3. Un rabais pour paiement rapide (gйnйralement de 2%). Le CARD et le SRDS portent tous deux la mention «rabais offert aux agences reconnues seulement», lorsque l'agence de publicitй peut bйnйficier d'un rabais. Cette mention ne vaut rien. En fait oui, elle vaut quelque chose, dans la mesure oщ elle vous dissuade de demander le rabais de 15% normalement attribuй а l'agence, si vous ne faites pas partie d'une agence reconnue. Mais зa, les reprйsentants publicitaires dans les diffйrents mйdias ne vous le disent pas. Pourquoi? Parce qu'ils sont rйmunйrйs а la commission et qu'il ont tout avantage а ne pas vous le dire. De plus, si vous faites vraiment partie d'une agence, vous utilisez nйcessairement le CARD et le SRDS et vous savez qu'il y a de tels rabais. Voici le premier secret: il n'existe rien de tel qu'une agence reconnue. N'importe quel zouave de Saint-Clin-clin peut-кtre une agence reconnue. Mon petit frиre de neuf ans pourrait, demain matin, devenir une agence reconnue s'il disait ces neuf petits mots: «Je veux le rabais que vous attribuez aux agences.» Certains mйdias sont plus dйsagrйables que d'autres et ne vous accorderont pas de rabais pour l'agence si votre compagnie ne porte pas un nom qui ressemble vaguement а celui d'une agence de publicitй. Mais, si vous кtes intelligent, ce que je crois puisque vous me lisez, vous allez courir au palais de justice et vous enregistrer un nom d'entreprise du genre «Bingo Marketing» pour 45$ et rappeler ce reprйsentant et lui dire que vous appellez maintenant d'une agence reconnue. Et vous voilа maintenant agence reconnue. Vous avez droit а un rabais de 15%. De plus, vous avez aussi droit au rabais pour paiement rapide de 2% si vos encaisses vous le permettent. C'est, en tout, 17% de rabais sur tous vos achats publicitaires que je viens de vous faire йpargner. Ceci est valable pour les journaux, les magazines, la radio, la tйlйvision, les sites internet, les agents de listes, les posters, les publi-sacs, etc. Maintenant, pour le rabais de type volume, je ne vous conseille en aucun cas de l'utiliser et surtout si une agence vous le propose. D'ailleurs, je dйfie n'importe qu'elle agence sur ce sujet. Prenez votre bottin et demandez-leur comment йpargner de l'argent sur vos achats publicitaires. Йcoutez attentivement la merde qu'ils vous servent et comparez l'information que je vous donne ici. Il n'y a aucune commune mesure. Revenons au rabais de type volume. En gros, c'est une proposition qui ne peut que dйfavoriser l'annonceur. D'abord, les rabais sont ridiculement bas, gйnйralement quelques dollars sur des milliers, ensuite, d'un point de vue strictment marketing gйomйtrique, c'est le meilleur moyen de vous faire avoir. Voici pourquoi: Il s'agit de contrats fondйs sur l'utilisation du mйdia sur une pйriode d'un an. Par exemple vous recevez un rabais de X% si vous placez 4 pleines pages ou plus sur un an. Si vous vous rendez compte que vos annonces ne sont pas profitables et que vous dйcidez de ne pas honorer le contrat, vous paierez le plein prix plus une pйnalitй. Je pourrais vous donner des milliers de raisons pour ne pas honorer un contrat publicitaire. Et il y en a autant de bonnes. Il me suffit simplement de dire que je prйfиre nettement payer un peu plus cher et limiter mon risque. Ensuite, les contrats vous empкchent de prendre d'autres types de rabais non annoncйs que vous DEVEZ demander vous mкme pour les obtenir. Le premier type de rabais que peu de gens connaissent est le rabais «premier annonceur». Lorsque vous contactez un journal, une station de radio, de tйlй, une revue, un site internet ou un gestionnaire de liste, demandez s'il y a un rabais «premier annonceur». Il y en a gйnйralement un. Il varie de 15% а 25%. Maintenant, а la diffйrence des contrats sur le volume, ces rabais «premiers annonceurs» peuvent кtre valides pour une pйriode prйdйterminйe qui peut s'йtendre jusqu'а un an. Lorsque vous demandez ce type de rabais, assurez-vous de sceller le prix pour une pйriode d'au moins trois mois. Par exemple, au lieu de payer 354$ pour un quart de pages dans l'Expression de Joliette, vous ne paierez que 285$ par parution pendant les trois premiers mois. Faites attention. Les reprйsentants publicitaires sont comme des rapaces sans vergogne. Si vous achetez votre publicitй en dйcembre et que l'on vous dit que ce prix est valide jusqu'а la fin de l'annйe, cela ne veut pas dire jusqu'en dйcembre de l'annйe suivante, mais jusqu'au mois de janvier. Un mois au lieu de 12. Cela fait toute une diffйrence. Maintenant, йcoutez-moi bien. Tous ces rabais sont commissionnables, c'est-а-dire que si vous obtenez 20% de rabais comme «premier annonceur» vous pouvez aussi obtenir le 15% de rabais supplйmentaire d'une agence plus le rabais de 2% pour paiement rapide. Une publicitй qui vous coыtait 1000$ vous en coыterait seulement 627,20$, soit un rabais de 37,28%. Comment les organismes а but non lucratif et les services publics peuvent vous faire йpargner gros, TRИS GROS. Nous sommes en pleine campagne de financement de Centraide. Ces deux derniers mois, Centraide а йtй un des plus gros annonceurs au Canada. Et pourtant, Centraide ne paie pas la moitiй de ce que d'autres compagnies paient pour s'annoncer. Pourquoi? Parce que les organismes communautaires et les services publics comme les SADC ont des tarifs prйfйrentiels, quand ils ne se font pas carrйment donner les espaces publicitaires. Vous avez certainement remarquй que depuis quelques annйes, TVA, TQS Global et CFCF 12 passent des infopubs aux heures de basse йcoute. Vous avez sans doute remarquй que, trиs souvent, les stations de radio et de tйlй, les journaux et les revues, annoncent leurs propres supplйments, йmissions spйciales et prйsentent des annonces de services publics. C'est ce que j'appelle des fillers. Ces publicitйs sont lа pour une chose: ne pas vous prйsenter 30 secondes d'йcran noir, de plat sonore ou ne pas prйsenter de pages blanches. Ces temps d'antenne et ces espaces publicitaires ne rapportent rien а la station ou а la publication. А chaque jour ou а chaque publication, а peu prиs 5% а 10% de l'espace publicitaire est invendu ou non utilisй pour cause de problиme technique. C'est lа que vous pouvez йpargner beaucoup. Ces espaces sont gйnйralement donnйs ou vendus а prix ridicules aux services publics et aux organismes communautaires. Une autre preuve courante que les mйdias perdent йnormйment d'argent sur les espaces invendus est la publicitй interne, comme l'annonce d'йmission de radio, de cahiers spйciaux, etc. Par exemple, je sais que la Presse du 16 novembre 2002 avait un inventaire de 21 250$ invendu dans le cahier affaires seulement. Soit 2 demi pages et 1 quart de page. Comme je n'ai pas portй trиs attention aux autres cahiers, je ne saurais me prononcer sur le reste. Ceci йtant dit, n'appelez pas votre reprйsentant publicitaire pour lui demander. Il vous rйpondra non, ou vous dira qu'il ne sait pas de quoi vous parlez. D'abord, il n'a aucun intйrкt а vous dire que des demi pages sont disponibles pour une bouchйe de pain. Ensuite les reprйsentants publicitaires ne sont pas au courant de ce qui arrive aux espaces invendus. Certains pourraient s'йchapper et vous faire dйcouvrir le pot-aux-roses. Je sais, vous ne lisez pas ceci pour connaоtre mon opinion sur les reprйsentants publicitaires, mais pour йpargner un paquet de bidoux sur votre prochaine campagne. Dans ce cas, йcoutez. Vous n'кtes ni propriйtaire de journal, ni dirigeant de services publics ou de groupe а but non-lucratif, mais vous pouvez йpargner jusqu'а 80% sur vos coыts publicitaires en suivant ma dйmarche pas а pas. Ce que vous devez savoir est que vous n'avez pas la possibilitй de choisir votre emplacement, ni la date de parution lorsque vous fonctionnez avec les espaces invendus. Il est aussi inutile de demander aux reprйsentants publicitaires comment procйder. Votre publicitй doit кtre prкte et dans les mains dea mйdias au moment oщ ils sont prкt а la faire paraоtre. Autre chose а savoir: les imprimйs ont toujours un coыt intrinsиque а la parution d'une publicitй. Ces coыts sont reliйs а la production de l'йpreuve et l'impression de votre annonce, alors ne leur faites pas l'insulte de leur offrir une somme riducule. Ce n'est pas le cas pour les mйdias йlectroniques tels que la tйlй, la radio et internet. Pour les mйdias йlectroniques vous pouvez facilement obtenir jusqu'а 80% de rabais. Il faut absolument que vous laissiez paraоtre а votre interlocuteur que vous connaissez les rиgles du jeu. Voici ce que vous devez faire: 1. Prйparez votre publicitй. Un mйcanique (nйgatif de votre annonce) pour les imprimйs et une cassette pour les radios et tйlйs. 2. Faites une liste des directeurs de vente chez les mйdias que vous voulez utiliser; eux seuls ont le pouvoir de prendre une dйcision. Vous pouvez obtenir cette liste dans le CARD ou le SRDS qui sont disponibles dans les bibliothиques universitaires et certaines bibliothиques municipales. 3. Prйparez un chиque au nom du mйdia en question pour un montant йquivalent а 42% du tarif normal pour les imprimйs et 20% pour les mйdia йlectroniques. Maintenant rйdigez une lettre d'une page contenant tous les йlйments suivants: ё Expliquez qu'un de vos clients а exprimй sont intйrкt de faire paraоtre sa publicitй dans le mйdia en question; ё Que vous avez dы l'en dissuader aprиs avoir comparй les coыts avec d'autres publications du mкme genre; ё Que dans ces publications, la publicitй n'est profitable que lorsque vous travaillez sur des espaces invendus; ё Expliquez ce qu'est un espace invendu et ce que le mйdia en fait gйnйralement; ё Expliquez que vous avez йmis un chиque йquivalent а 42% du tarif rйgulier (50% + le 15% а l'agence) et que vous avez envoyй un mйcanique de l'annonce. Le montant peut descendre jusqu'а 20% pour les mйdias йlectroniques; ё Dites que le mйdia peut encaisser le chиque dиs qu'il fera paraоtre la publicitй sous ces conditions ou dйtruire le chиque et l'annonce s'il refuse; ё Donnez votre numйro de tйlйphone au cas oщ votre interlocuteur aurait une question; Et envoyez-la par Federal Express, Purolator ou UPS. Voici ce qui va arriver. Une certaine proportion de mйdia vont rejeter votre offre. Certains vont l'accepter et la vaste majoritй va vous contacter pour nйgocier un tarif prйfйrentiel plus йlevй que votre proposition. C'est а peu prиs tout ce que j'ai а dire sur le sujet ce mois-ci. Il me reste quelques trucs dans mon sac а surprise que je vous dйvoilerai dans d'autres lettres. Chaque mois, vous recevrez un numйro comme celui-ci. Plein de trucs et de secrets marketing inconnus du public. En fait, la plupart des consultants en marketing et agences de publicitй n'ont jamais utilisй, ni mкme entendu parler de ces techniques et stratйgies. Abonnez-vous pour trois mois pour seulement 7$ La lettre du marketing gйomйtrique sera vendue а 197$ par annйe dans quelques semaines. Mais, durant la pйriode de lancement, vous pouvez prendre un abonnement de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Je sais trиs bien que les gens d'affaires rйellement interressйs а utiliser les stratйgies que je prйsente reconnaоtront la valeur de la Lettre du marketing gйomйtrique. Je sais qu'aprиs votre abonnement d'essai, vous en voudrez plus et que vous renouvellerez votre abonnement au tarif rйgulier. Pour quelqu'un qui fait un minimum de publicitй, cette premiиre lettre, а elle seule, vaut trиs certainement le prix de l'abonnement. Les stratйgies incluses dans cette lettre ne sont qu'un pвle йchantillon de ce que j'ai а vous offrir. Comme le dit mon ami et client Mathieu Lagarde «En une heure l'information et les idйes de Didier m'ont йtй plus utiles que tous les livres et sйminaires que j'ai lus et йtudiйs sur les affaires». Abonnez-vous avant le 1ier dйcembre 2002 pour seulement 7$, vous recevrez trois lettres comme celle-ci par la poste au cours des trois prochains mois. didierroussy@hotmail.com Envoyez maintenant votre chиque ou mandat poste а l'ordre de: Didier Bonneville-Roussy 692 Rang York, St-Barthйlemy Quйbec J0K 1XO Sincиrement, Didier Bonneville-Roussy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ne plus resevoire ce courriel : Didier_b_r@yahoo.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 20 22:13:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37BD37B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from services.sendmail.org (services.Sendmail.ORG [209.246.26.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E868D43EA3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@services.sendmail.org) Received: from services.sendmail.org (services.sendmail.org [209.246.26.22]) by services.sendmail.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL6DJrx000144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@services.sendmail.org) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by services.sendmail.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL6DHrh000143; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211210613.gAL6DHrh000143@services.sendmail.org> From: listmanager@lists.sendmail.org (Mailing List Manager) To: doc@freebsd.org X-List-Software: listmanager v2.109, Copyright (c) 1994-2001, M. 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