From owner-freebsd-firewire Sun Mar 3 14:36:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [198.78.70.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2737B41A for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g23MHOM85420 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik X-Sender: john@www To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Subject: periodic firewire max-out question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I still do not yet own 63 firewire devices, and so, once again, I am wondering if anyone here has ever actually connected 63 devices to a firewire host adaptor and had operational success... (or heard reports of it being successfully done in the wild ?) Comments welcome. thanks. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Mon Mar 4 18:14:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [198.78.70.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927E237B405; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g251tC593459; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:55:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik X-Sender: john@www To: James Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: periodic firewire max-out question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG typo. 63 is the number I intended in both cases. I am basically just inquiring as to the practical problems one might face when actually maxing out the spec, with 63 devices in one adaptor. You are correct - none of those multi-port adaptors actually have two buses. I am not sure if anyone has plans on a multi-bus adaptor. Since posting this question, I have received quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that suggests that actually having 63 devices on the chain at once is _very_ difficult. Most people report running into problems at around 20-30 devices. Power is also an issue, if the devices are bus-powered as opposed to wall-powered. ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, James wrote: > > From: John Kozubik > > > > I still do not yet own 63 firewire devices, and so, once again, I am > > wondering if anyone here has ever actually connected 128 devices to a > > Huh? How did you get from 63 devices to 128? > > I don't know of any multi-bus 1394 adapters on the consumer > market. Adapters have multiple ports but all are on the same bus. I'd be > curious to find one that actually has more than one bus. > > -James > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Mon Mar 4 19:23:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8139D37B416 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from earl-grey.cloud9.net (earl-grey.cloud9.net [168.100.1.1]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A91B28B97; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:23:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:23:10 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Leftwich X-X-Sender: To: John Kozubik Cc: Subject: Re: periodic firewire max-out question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020304222025.X96680-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Organization: Video2Video Services - http://Www.Video2Video.Com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I still own zero (0) firewire devices but one (1) firewire card that was given to me by a friend, and was the major impetus that prompted me to completely break from the tyranny of M$FT WinBlows 98 SR1 and head into FreeBSD 4.3 CDROM country... my question is: What is the driver you use for firewire? Is it freeware/opensource? A search of "firewire" at www.freebsd.org comes up with practically nothing so I joined this list :) -- Peter Leftwich President & Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, John Kozubik wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from mail2.registeredsite.com (mail2.registeredsite.com > [64.224.9.11]) > by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2CA28DB8 > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:42 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mail.video2video.com (mail.video2video.com [209.35.10.22]) > by mail2.registeredsite.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id > g23LgEV27933 > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:42:14 -0500 > Received: from mx2.freebsd.org [209.35.10.22] by mail.video2video.com > (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5777D60144; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:36:39 -0500 > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) > by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 463315599F; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:37 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 47EE837B405; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id 446BD2E807C; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, > 3 Mar 2002 14:36:35 -0800 > Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org > Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [198.78.70.162]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2737B41A > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) > Received: from localhost (john@localhost) > by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g23MHOM85420 > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) > From: John Kozubik > X-Sender: john@www > To: freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: periodic firewire max-out question > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG > List-ID: > List-Archive: (Web Archive) > List-Help: (List Instructions) > List-Subscribe: > > List-Unsubscribe: > > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Precedence: bulk > > I still do not yet own 63 firewire devices, and so, once again, I am wondering if anyone here has ever actually connected 63 devices to a firewire host adaptor and had operational success... (or heard reports of it being successfully done in the wild ?) > Comments welcome. > thanks. > ----- > John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Mon Mar 4 19:27: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [198.78.70.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D6637B419 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2537qq93835; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:07:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:07:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik X-Sender: john@www To: Peter Leftwich Cc: freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: periodic firewire max-out question In-Reply-To: <20020304222025.X96680-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do not currently use firewire with FreeBSD. There is not, to my knowledge, a mature driver available. In fact, there really isn't even an immature driver... If you search on freshmeat.net, I think you will find some projects for linux drivers ... perhaps on sourceforge as well. Linux may not even have mature firewire drivers yet. ----- John Kozubik - john@ozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Peter Leftwich wrote: > > I still own zero (0) firewire devices but one (1) firewire card that was > given to me by a friend, and was the major impetus that prompted me to > completely break from the tyranny of M$FT WinBlows 98 SR1 and head into > FreeBSD 4.3 CDROM country... my question is: What is the driver you use > for firewire? Is it freeware/opensource? A search of "firewire" at > www.freebsd.org comes up with practically nothing so I joined this list :) > > -- > Peter Leftwich > President & Founder > Video2Video Services > Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA > +1-413-403-9555 > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, John Kozubik wrote: > > Return-Path: > > Received: from mail2.registeredsite.com (mail2.registeredsite.com > > [64.224.9.11]) > > by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2CA28DB8 > > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:42 -0500 (EST) > > Received: from mail.video2video.com (mail.video2video.com [209.35.10.22]) > > by mail2.registeredsite.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id > > g23LgEV27933 > > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:42:14 -0500 > > Received: from mx2.freebsd.org [209.35.10.22] by mail.video2video.com > > (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5777D60144; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:36:39 -0500 > > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) > > by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > > id 463315599F; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:37 -0800 (PST) > > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG) > > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > > id 47EE837B405; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) > > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > > id 446BD2E807C; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:36 -0800 (PST) > > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, > > 3 Mar 2002 14:36:35 -0800 > > Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org > > Received: from www.kozubik.com (www.kozubik.com [198.78.70.162]) > > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2737B41A > > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) > > Received: from localhost (john@localhost) > > by www.kozubik.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g23MHOM85420 > > for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) > > (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) > > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) > > From: John Kozubik > > X-Sender: john@www > > To: freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: periodic firewire max-out question > > Message-ID: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG > > List-ID: > > List-Archive: (Web Archive) > > List-Help: (List Instructions) > > List-Subscribe: > > > > List-Unsubscribe: > > > > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Precedence: bulk > > > > I still do not yet own 63 firewire devices, and so, once again, I am wondering if anyone here has ever actually connected 63 devices to a firewire host adaptor and had operational success... (or heard reports of it being successfully done in the wild ?) > > Comments welcome. > > thanks. > > ----- > > John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Mon Mar 4 20:39: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from svr3.applink.net (svr3.applink.net [206.50.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1E737B402 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.ashavan.org. (pri12-10-69.applink.net [216.91.197.69]) by svr3.applink.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g254coHN026273; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:38:51 -0600 Received: from there (IDENT:nDhu5blEbUkxscjTwdiGpcFQ1R32eGae@argent.home.ashavan.org [172.16.10.50]) by home.ashavan.org. (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g254ZIv08459; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:35:25 GMT Message-Id: <200203050435.g254ZIv08459@home.ashavan.org.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Timothy Covell Reply-To: timothy.covell@ashavan.org To: John Kozubik , Peter Leftwich Subject: Re: periodic firewire max-out question Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:38:36 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 04 March 2002 21:07, John Kozubik wrote: > I do not currently use firewire with FreeBSD. There is not, to my > knowledge, a mature driver available. In fact, there really isn't even an > immature driver... > > If you search on freshmeat.net, I think you will find some projects for > linux drivers ... perhaps on sourceforge as well. Linux may not even have > mature firewire drivers yet. > > ----- > John Kozubik - john@ozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com > Linux 2.4.x does have OK Firewire drivers. I've used it for external disk/CD-Rom drives with the SBP-2 protocol. It known to work also with digital cameras. The only problems so far that I've seen are: 0. Usually have to rmmod sbp2 and insmod spb2 to get newly attached devices recognized. That much said, it does automatically "deregister" devices. 1. Using SBP-2 to a cdrom burner and cdrecord caused a kernel panic. 2. Trying to use the IP encapsulation (3rd party driver) mode caused a panic as well. 3. Trying to connect two boxes to the same device, something which is NOT part of the normal Firewire spec, caused two kernel panics. Otherwise, for normal usage, it is OK. -- timothy.covell@ashavan.org. Unix Systems Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Tue Mar 5 23:57:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from mailgwa0.bmwgroup.com (mailgwa0.bmwgroup.com [192.109.190.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDE537B402 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub1.muc ([160.50.97.116]) by mailgwa0.bmwgroup.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AEC52144; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailvsa0.muc by mhub1.muc with ESMTP for firewire@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:26 +0100 Received: from mhub1.muc (mhub1.muc [160.50.97.116]) by mailvsa0.muc (Mirapoint) by mailvsa0.muc (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AFI97133; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail02.muc by mhub1.muc with ESMTP for firewire@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:25 +0100 Received: from partner.bmw.de ([192.168.237.22] (may be forged)) by mail02.muc (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190+no byaddr 2)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13134 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:57:25 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3C85CBDD.8010809@partner.bmw.de> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:57:17 +0100 From: Ralph Hitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: firewire@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message