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Call us now 1-888-621-7300 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 6 6:54: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.ar (www.cursosvirtuales.com.ar [200.10.104.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55DE37B416 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 06:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.ar (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g06Et3x71619; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:55:03 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from fpscha) From: "Fernando P. Schapachnik" Message-Id: <200201061455.g06Et3x71619@servidor1.cursosvirtuales.com.ar> Subject: Re: SA_NODEFER and signal nesting In-Reply-To: <3C376D8D.CBEA1BF@mindspring.com> "from Terry Lambert at Jan 5, 2002 01:18:05 pm" To: Terry Lambert Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:55:03 -0300 (ART) Cc: fernando@cursosvirtuales.com.ar, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-From: Fernando Schapachnik Reply-To: fernando@cursosvirtuales.com.ar X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2 - http://www.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL87 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Yes. Signals are persistant conditions, not events. Aha... That explains it. > When you get the first SIGIO, set a flag (volatile) in the > signal handler. In your main loop, check for the flag, and > if it is present, use poll/select to verify that there is > data pending, and while there is data pending, retrieve it. I've recoded this way and it works. Not as clean as I would prefer (because my program is a distributed number cruncher and I'd tried to make a clean separation between main processing and net I/O), but works. Thanks for you help. Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando@cvi.com.ar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 6 12:14:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2AF37B404 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g06KE6u06436 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:14:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:14:06 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: FreeBSD hackers list Subject: buglet in ssh-keygen on 4.5-PRE? Message-ID: <20020106211406.A6416@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This does not seem right to me. wb ~: ssh-keygen -t dsa -p Enter file in which the key is (/home/wkb/.ssh/id_dsa): Enter old passphrase: Segmentation fault (core dumped) wb ~: uname -a FreeBSD freebie.xs4all.nl 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE #3: Fri Jan 4 08:14:34 CET 2002 root@freebie.xs4all.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FREEBIE i386 -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 6 13:12:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (discworld.nanolink.com [217.75.135.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8679A37B41A for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4568 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Jan 2002 20:12:39 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:12:39 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Brian Feldman , FreeBSD hackers list Subject: Re: buglet in ssh-keygen on 4.5-PRE? Message-ID: <20020106221239.D314@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Wilko Bulte , Brian Feldman , FreeBSD hackers list References: <20020106211406.A6416@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020106211406.A6416@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 09:14:06PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 09:14:06PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > This does not seem right to me. > > wb ~: ssh-keygen -t dsa -p > Enter file in which the key is (/home/wkb/.ssh/id_dsa): > Enter old passphrase: > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > wb ~: uname -a > FreeBSD freebie.xs4all.nl 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE #3: Fri Jan > 4 08:14:34 CET 2002 root@freebie.xs4all.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FREEBIE > i386 [CC'ing green, our OpenSSH maintainer] Yeah, see PR bin/32175, which contains a patch. G'luck, Peter -- I am jealous of the first word in this sentence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 6 15:32:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCC037B405 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.11.5/8.11.5) id g06MMNT64865 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22:23 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22:23 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Should pam_ssh and xdm work? Message-ID: <20020107002223.A64504@shale.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm trying to get pam_ssh and xdm to play together, but having a minor problem... First off, environment. -CURRENT from Saturday (2002/01/05), with XFree86-4 port. All ports up to date. I've uncommented the entries for pam_ssh in /etc/pam.conf, and am trying to log in via xdm on my local machine. I can type in my SSH passphrase into the password box, and it authenticates me, and runs my .xsession. So far, no problems. But it's not setting up the ssh-agent properly. Two copies of ssh-agent appear to be run, and the environment variables "SSH_AUTH_SOCK" and "SSH_AGENT_PID" are not passed. They are not available in any xterms, and they do not appear in the environment while .xsession is being executed. Combinations of using "sufficient" and "required" for pam_ssh and pam_unix do not seem to affect things. I can use pam_ssh, the environment variables are set, and ssh-agent forwarding works, using a normal textmode console (i.e. with the 'login' block from pam.conf). I changed the "required" to "sufficient" for the two pam_ssh lines, so that normal password logins still work. Only one ssh-agent process is launched. Setting the two enviroment varaibles manually in an xterm to the settings for the two ssh-agent processes launched by xdm does not help, but if they are set to the varaibles for an ssh-agent launched by a normal console login then ssh forwarding does work. Using gdm, I can login with my SSH passphase, and the two enviroment variables are set, but ssh forwarding does not work. With gdm three ssh-agent processes are started - the third by either gdm or the gnome-session manager. I suspect the two enviroment variables are being set by the third process, which is not run from pam_ssh. So my question. Is this supposed to work? If so, does anyone have the magic. I think there are two problems here. Only one ssh-agent process should be launched, and it's environment varaibles need to be passed by xdm to .xsession. Hope someone can help. -Jeremy -- FreeBSD - Because the best things in life are free... http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Jan 6 16:28:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B4437B41E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070THa90714; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: what slice did I boot from? In-Reply-To: <200201052337.g05NbY701185@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: <20020106162811.Y90176-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't have any explicit configuration in > my loader.conf; this is just the environment that the loader cooked > up all by itself. Each slice has it's own own loader along with a > complete root file system. Oops I didn't notice the kenv :) > > > It would be just fine to have the boot0 boot manager be the mechanism > > > to do all this. That's an easy toggle between the two alternatives, > > > though harder to do an automatic fallback, perhaps. > > > > You try boot0 ... that's where my problem showed up. One would boot but > > the other says "Invalid partition." This is a heavily hacked install > > though (since sysinstall won't let you put a second / into a second slice > > when a first FreeBSD slice already exists). > > What you might try is making sure that the other partition starts on > a cylinder boundary. I've noticed that the BIOS on some machines have > real heartburn when the slice starts at some random location not > coincident with a cylinder boundary. I don't know why, and I'm pretty > sure I don't want to know :=) That's a distinct possibility. I made it with sysinstall but I made the previous slice a wierd size (not a power of 2). sysinstall probably didn't quite justify it to the BIOS's want. I'll have to check the boot0 code though... Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 3:24:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (host213-1-10-79.webport.bt.net [213.1.10.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C77337B41A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: "friends of luke for a cooler world" Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:23:08 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: rare invitation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020107112425.2C77337B41A@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://members.madasafish.com/~lukefictitious/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 3:58:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from void.xpert.com (xpert.com [199.203.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEEA37B41C for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserv.xpert.com ([199.203.132.135]) by void.xpert.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16NYJf-0006Ie-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:51:47 +0200 Received: by mailserv.xpert.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:57:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: Yonatan Bokovza To: "'cjclark@alum.mit.edu'" , Leo Bicknell Cc: "Rogier R. Mulhuijzen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: path_mtu_discovery Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:57:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Crist J. Clark [mailto:cristjc@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 02:39 > To: Leo Bicknell > Cc: Rogier R. Mulhuijzen; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: path_mtu_discovery [snip] > I'd support it if anyone actually has any credible evidence that such > attacks have ever occured. Or if there is are plausible ways to attack > that don't require someone to sniff and inject into a connection in > which the victim is participating (if you can do that, you can do much > worse). The original message of the "old thread" mentioned: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=4186+0+archive/2001/freebsd-sec urity/20010715.freebsd-security Darren Reed's post to BugTraq implied, IIRC, that an attacker can kill (or slow down) a server if he requests a large file with low MSS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 4:45: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from muse.sanewo.dyn.to (pd30459.tkyoea00.ap.so-net.ne.jp [61.211.4.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBA137B404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from muse.sanewo.dyn.to (sanewo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muse.sanewo.dyn.to (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g07Ciq827429; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:44:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sanewo@muse.sanewo.dyn.to) Message-Id: <200201071244.g07Ciq827429@muse.sanewo.dyn.to> To: Jeremy Lea Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Should pam_ssh and xdm work? References: <20020107002223.A64504@shale.csir.co.za> Cc: Takanori Saneto From: Takanori Saneto In-Reply-To: <20020107002223.A64504@shale.csir.co.za> (Jeremy Lea's message of "Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22:23 +0200") MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP User-Agent: T-gnus/6.15.4 (based on Oort Gnus v0.04) (revision 09) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.5 (beta3) (asparagus) (i386-unknown-freebsd5.0) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:44:51 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have my xdm+pam_ssh running as I expected, with following patch applied to xdm: Index: programs/xdm/session.c =================================================================== RCS file: /export/cvsup-xfree86/cvs/xc/programs/xdm/session.c,v retrieving revision 3.33 diff -u -r3.33 session.c --- programs/xdm/session.c 14 Dec 2001 20:01:23 -0000 3.33 +++ programs/xdm/session.c 15 Dec 2001 12:35:52 -0000 @@ -534,6 +534,7 @@ int pid; #ifdef HAS_SETUSERCONTEXT struct passwd* pwd; + extern char **environ; #endif #ifdef USE_PAM pam_handle_t *pamh = thepamh(); @@ -613,6 +614,8 @@ * Set the user's credentials: uid, gid, groups, * environment variables, resource limits, and umask. */ + /* destroy user environment before calling setusercontext */ + environ = verify->userEnviron; pwd = getpwnam(name); if (pwd) { @@ -622,6 +625,7 @@ errno); return (0); } + verify->userEnviron = environ; endpwent(); } else The diff is against the head of XFree86 CVS tree. I hope it works for you. -- $B$5$M$r(B (SANETO Takanori) // [$B // [$BK\6H(B] $B; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:27:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9559 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 18:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 18:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C37B395.2558D84D@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, "Matthew D. Fuller" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Jan-02 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > "Matthew D. Fuller" wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:02:03PM -0600 I heard the voice of >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith, and lo! it spake thus: >> > I want to create a Makefile for a C program that includes some Pentium >> > II specific inline assembler code. How do I tell the compiler whether >> > we are compiling on a i686? >> >> Dunno, how well will your Pentium II specific inline assembler code run >> on my Pentium Pro? >> > > You know, I have no idea. It is someone elses code. These are the > instructions. Can anyone tell me? > > "movl 32(%0),%1\n" > "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" > > Also, from this discussion, what I have decided to do is provide it as > an option for the user to add by editing the Makefile - not to do it > automatically. These instructions are 386 instructions. What we need to see are the contraints (the stuff after the actual instructions with colons in them) to see if it is somehow using Pentium Pro+ specific registers. And actually, just for the record, a PPro is a 686. :) It claims to be family 6 via cpuid at least. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 11:33:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9EE37B404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020107193325.GDQE16463.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:33:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C39F804.43A242DD@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:33:24 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > > > You know, I have no idea. It is someone elses code. These are the > > instructions. Can anyone tell me? > > > > "movl 32(%0),%1\n" > > "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" > > > > Also, from this discussion, what I have decided to do is provide it as > > an option for the user to add by editing the Makefile - not to do it > > automatically. > > These instructions are 386 instructions. What we need to see are the > contraints (the stuff after the actual instructions with colons in them) to see > if it is somehow using Pentium Pro+ specific registers. And actually, just for > the record, a PPro is a 686. :) > OK, this is it in context: register Word32 *_x = x; register int _a = 0; asm("xorl %1,%1\n" /* clear C */ "movl 124(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,124(%0)\n" : : "r" (_x), "r" (_a) ); -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 11:56:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E11337B41A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15038 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 19:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 19:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C39F804.43A242DD@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 Cc: "Matthew D. Fuller" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-02 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> >> > You know, I have no idea. It is someone elses code. These are the >> > instructions. Can anyone tell me? >> > >> > "movl 32(%0),%1\n" >> > "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" >> > >> > Also, from this discussion, what I have decided to do is provide it as >> > an option for the user to add by editing the Makefile - not to do it >> > automatically. >> >> These instructions are 386 instructions. What we need to see are the >> contraints (the stuff after the actual instructions with colons in them) to >> see >> if it is somehow using Pentium Pro+ specific registers. And actually, just >> for >> the record, a PPro is a 686. :) >> > > OK, this is it in context: > > register Word32 *_x = x; > register int _a = 0; > > asm("xorl %1,%1\n" /* clear C */ > "movl 124(%0),%1\n" > "adcl %1,124(%0)\n" > : : "r" (_x), "r" (_a) > ); Looks like rather silly code to double the value at x + 124. I say silly casue it clears carry and then does a addcl. However, since CF is zero, this is the same as doing an addl. Since it is just doubling the value, a shl would make more sense (and only be 1 instruction.) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 12:35:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5812237B402; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020107203501.GBKL6214.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3A0674.5BD4A62C@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:35:00 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: "Matthew D. Fuller" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > > On 07-Jan-02 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> > You know, I have no idea. It is someone elses code. These are the > >> > instructions. Can anyone tell me? > >> > > >> > "movl 32(%0),%1\n" > >> > "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" > >> > > >> > Also, from this discussion, what I have decided to do is provide it as > >> > an option for the user to add by editing the Makefile - not to do it > >> > automatically. > >> > >> These instructions are 386 instructions. What we need to see are the > >> contraints (the stuff after the actual instructions with colons in them) to > >> see > >> if it is somehow using Pentium Pro+ specific registers. And actually, just > >> for > >> the record, a PPro is a 686. :) > >> > > > > OK, this is it in context: > > > > register Word32 *_x = x; > > register int _a = 0; > > > > asm("xorl %1,%1\n" /* clear C */ > > "movl 124(%0),%1\n" > > "adcl %1,124(%0)\n" > > : : "r" (_x), "r" (_a) > > ); > > Looks like rather silly code to double the value at x + 124. I say silly casue > it clears carry and then does a addcl. However, since CF is zero, this is the > same as doing an addl. Since it is just doubling the value, a shl would make > more sense (and only be 1 instruction.) > More likely I am butchering the code by trying to only give you part of it. The whole code is designed to take N 32 bit words and do a left shift on it: register Word32 *_x = x; register int _a = 0; asm("xorl %1,%1\n" /* clear C */ "movl (%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,(%0)\n" #if (N >= 2) "movl 4(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,4(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 3) "movl 8(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,8(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 4) "movl 12(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,12(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 5) "movl 16(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,16(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 6) "movl 20(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,20(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 7) "movl 24(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,24(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 8) "movl 28(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,28(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 9) "movl 32(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 10) "movl 36(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,36(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 11) "movl 40(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,40(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 12) "movl 44(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,44(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 13) "movl 48(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,48(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 14) "movl 52(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,52(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 15) "movl 56(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,56(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 16) "movl 60(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,60(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 17) "movl 64(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,64(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 18) "movl 68(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,68(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 19) "movl 72(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,72(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 20) "movl 76(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,76(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 21) "movl 80(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,80(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 22) "movl 84(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,84(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 23) "movl 88(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,88(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 24) "movl 92(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,92(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 25) "movl 96(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,96(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 26) "movl 100(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,100(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 27) "movl 104(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,104(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 28) "movl 108(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,108(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 29) "movl 112(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,112(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 30) "movl 116(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,116(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 31) "movl 120(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,120(%0)\n" #endif #if (N >= 32) "movl 124(%0),%1\n" "adcl %1,124(%0)\n" #endif : : "r" (_x), "r" (_a) ); -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:15: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADD737B404 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19379 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 21:14:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 21:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C3A0674.5BD4A62C@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-02 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 07-Jan-02 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> > John Baldwin wrote: >> >> >> >> > You know, I have no idea. It is someone elses code. These are the >> >> > instructions. Can anyone tell me? >> >> > >> >> > "movl 32(%0),%1\n" >> >> > "adcl %1,32(%0)\n" >> >> > >> >> > Also, from this discussion, what I have decided to do is provide it as >> >> > an option for the user to add by editing the Makefile - not to do it >> >> > automatically. >> >> >> >> These instructions are 386 instructions. What we need to see are the >> >> contraints (the stuff after the actual instructions with colons in them) >> >> to >> >> see >> >> if it is somehow using Pentium Pro+ specific registers. And actually, >> >> just >> >> for >> >> the record, a PPro is a 686. :) >> >> >> > >> > OK, this is it in context: >> > >> > register Word32 *_x = x; >> > register int _a = 0; >> > >> > asm("xorl %1,%1\n" /* clear C */ >> > "movl 124(%0),%1\n" >> > "adcl %1,124(%0)\n" >> > : : "r" (_x), "r" (_a) >> > ); >> >> Looks like rather silly code to double the value at x + 124. I say silly >> casue >> it clears carry and then does a addcl. However, since CF is zero, this is >> the >> same as doing an addl. Since it is just doubling the value, a shl would >> make >> more sense (and only be 1 instruction.) >> > > More likely I am butchering the code by trying to only give you part of > it. The whole code is designed to take N 32 bit words and do a left > shift on it: Ok. This isn't 686 specific at all. However, one optimization might be to get rid of the xorl, and use 'addl' for the first instruction instead of adcl. Anyways, If I were you, I would do it via a series of rcl (rotate through carry left, it shits in the carry flag instead of 0), thus I would do: "shl (%0),1\n" #if (N >= 2) "rcl 4(%0),1\n" #endif etc. using a single rcl for the rest of the shifts. Using multiple instructions might be useful if you did multiple loads to different destination registers by interleaving movl's and adcl's, and alternating temporary registers to try and use the multiple pipelines on Pentiums and better. Then again, these instructions might not work well for that. *shrug* Or perhaps if it uses suitable temporary registers, this might be doing all the loads in one pipeline and the adcl's in the others to get a jumpstart on each mov. I dunno. :-P -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:22:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F68837B404 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1643 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 21:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 21:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 Cc: "Matthew D. Fuller" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Stephen Montgomery-Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-02 John Baldwin wrote: > Ok. This isn't 686 specific at all. However, one optimization might be to > get rid of the xorl, and use 'addl' for the first instruction instead of > adcl. > Anyways, If I were you, I would do it via a series of rcl (rotate through > carry > left, it shits in the carry flag instead of 0), thus I would do: Erm, it shifts in the carry flag. CPU's usually don't go around abusing their flags like that. :-P -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:28:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664D637B405 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g07LSK655245; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh my god. I don't even *remember* writing this one! This was when I was 18. Google's archive isn't complete but they've done an incredible job getting as much as they have. Pet, C64, DMail, Shell (for the amiga), backup/restore utilities, dme, dterm, AmigaUUCP, DICE, etc. It's all there in bits and pieces, complete with my trademark spelling errors. -Matt :Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP :Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucbvax.ARPA :From: dillon@ucbvax.ARPA (The Sherif "Matt D.") :Newsgroups: net.micro.cbm :Subject: Misc. Discussion 1541/2031/4040/2040 :Message-ID: <3957@ucbvax.ARPA> :Date: Sat, 29-Dec-84 16:29:38 EST :Article-I.D.: ucbvax.3957 :Posted: Sat Dec 29 16:29:38 1984 :Date-Received: Sat, 29-Dec-84 20:04:09 EST :Distribution: net :Organization: University of California at Berkeley :Lines: 73 : : : :Let me tell you a story about these drives. The first, the 2040, is a :duel drive whos age is beyond counting. At one point commodore decided :that the 2040 format was creating errors (It had one extra sector on :several tracks). So, they modified the format slightly by taking out that :sector. That is why the OLD 2040 has more storage than the NEW 1541/2031/ :4040. Now, Commodore tells us that the 1541, 2031, and 4040 have the same :disk format. Bryce pointed out to me one day as we were muling over the :hundreds of errors (not to mention the bad programming style) of the 1541 :DOS, that the 4040 uses a different spacing between sectors. Oh JUST GREAT... :I suggest that to keep read errors at a minimum, you not write on a disk :using a 1541 that was formatted on a 4040. : :Guess what! Commodore did not write a new DOS for the 1541 or the 2031. :In fact, the used the 4040's DOS and attempted to take out all the references :to the second drive. Well, they just didn't get them all and that is why :you get that DRIVE NOT READY error sometimes. Their @replace bug was a :classic, and that was one of the first thing Bryce fixed in his 1541 FLASH. : :But the story does not end there. Word has it that two people worked on :the original DOS for the 1541/2031/4040/2040. One wrote the drive interface, :and one wrote the communications protocal. Word also has it that the two :hardly confered with each other at all... Hence the slowness of drive. : :You have to be an expert on 6502 to be able to understand the drive's DOS, :considering how lousy the guy programmed it. Why commodore used a modem- :speed interface with an intelligent disk drive I could not guess. : :I myself am a PET person. The best transfer speed I've been able to come :up with a PET & 2031 has been 53KBytes/sec ... With sector loading, I've :been able to get a skew factor of 3 and a 130 block load in 6.5 sec. Bryce :has been able to turn the rinky-dink serial interface into exactly the same :speed... Were both stuck on the skew factor. I think that's pretty good :considering the controller Commodore used for the disk (It consists of a :micro-processor, 2K RAM, 16K ROM, and 2 6522's. None of these, by the way, :are dedicated as a floppy controller). : :And now we come to the (quote unquote) Build in RS-232C. The C64 does it all :in software, and the outputs are +5/GND rather than standard -12/12V. Baud :rates below 2400 work fine. Anything after that will not work well unless :you do it by hand. Commodore has this nack of putting everything on the :interrupt, you see; They put the disk-controller of the 1541... on the :interrupt. I'm not kidding, to request a sector you wrote some crap into :some memory and had to wait for a timer interupt to occur before the :interrupt service routine would catch it and get/write the sector. In :anycase, I'm getting off the subject; Commodore has the modem on the :interrupt. So as long as you don't use the disk drive or printer, you :can use the modem. You can either recieve or transmit (but not both at :the same time). In other words, commodore blew it again in terms of the :C64. : : :You might ask if there is anything good about the commodore 64. Well, the :graphics are good and the sound is fantastic. Don't let anyone tell you :the sound is the pits... I've heard very un-computer like voice synthesis :using only that single solitary SID. The graphics are good, considering :that the C64 is only a small home computer. I particulary like the raster :interrupt which makes it all worth while. You probably have heard that at :any time the graphics chip can take 40cc from the processor. Well, using :the raster interrupt, Bryce was able to sync the two and to a VERY FAST :trasfer over the original serial lines sync'd with the drive to within :3cc (On my PET, I used to use a single sync signal to sync the block transfers, :Giving me a 32KByte/sec ifc with 8cc tolerances. Bryce suggested a double :sync to sync the sync, so to speak, which is why I can do 56KBytes/sec over :IEEE and he can do 20KBytes/sec over the original lines. With 1541 FLASH, :the thoretical maximum is about the same as my IEEE transfers. In either :case the transfer is 1000% better than Commodores, and the only holding :factor is that the data must be read off disk before it can be sent over). : : : Matthew Dillon (dillon@vax.Berkeley.ARPA) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:29:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from obstruction.com (CPE00e018983b2f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.157.67.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C28A37B404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from guy@localhost) by obstruction.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA29710; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:29:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from guy) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:29:28 -0500 From: Guy Middleton To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: Guy Middleton Subject: IPSEC with Cisco VPN 3000? Message-ID: <20020107162928.A29684@chaos.obstruction.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anybody successfully set up IPSEC between a FreeBSD box (I am using 4.3-STABLE) and a Cisco VPN 3000 concentrator? The Cisco wants a "group name" and "group password", and I can't tell how this maps to the racoon implementation of IKE keys. Thanks. -Guy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:36:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (12-253-177-2.client.attbi.com [12.253.177.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B012C37B405 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.22.42.2] (freelove.hippie.lan [172.22.42.2]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g07LaWu02582 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:36:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Tell gcc I have a i686 From: Ian To: freebsd-hackers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:02:03PM -0600 I heard the voice of >>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith, and lo! it spake thus: >>>> I want to create a Makefile for a C program that includes some Pentium >>>> II specific inline assembler code. How do I tell the compiler whether >>>> we are compiling on a i686? > > [lots of snippage] Did this original question ever get answered? I think what you need is just -mcpu=i686 on the (g)cc command line. Or, given that other discussion seemed to indicate that a 686 isn't needed for these instructions, -mcpu=pentiumpro should do it. If there's any chance the code needs to run on older CPUs, go for the lower setting, as I believe this option affects the overall codegen and optimization. -- Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:45:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B25C37B405; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail1.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3923C239A06; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:23 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020107214523.GB57358@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E13BgyNx05feLLmH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org Organization: Zer0 X-Purpose: For great justice! Mail-Copies-To: poster Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --E13BgyNx05feLLmH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-01-07 13:28 -0800, Matthew Dillon wro= te: > Oh my god. I don't even *remember* writing this one! This was when > I was 18. Google's archive isn't complete but they've done an incred= ible > job getting as much as they have. Yes, Google is indeed great. Now everyone can go back and find my first USENET posting, which was to alt.life.sucks. Sigh. :) Greg --=20 Gregory S. Sutter My reality check just bounced. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org=20 http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/=20 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD --E13BgyNx05feLLmH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: '' iD8DBQE8OhbyIBUx1YRd/t0RAhdMAJ9DEcb128JCwNhbBkcfYjQE4QZeWACfcmDU 9+SErWlAlLDBfkCkCcGvMp8= =c37q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E13BgyNx05feLLmH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 13:45:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from snow.fingers.co.za (snow.fingers.co.za [196.7.148.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ADA37B417; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by snow.fingers.co.za (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B94317425; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:45:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snow.fingers.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8812811713; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:45:22 +0200 (SAST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:45:22 +0200 (SAST) From: fingers To: Guy Middleton Cc: , Subject: Re: IPSEC with Cisco VPN 3000? In-Reply-To: <20020107162928.A29684@chaos.obstruction.com> Message-ID: <20020107234058.R54527-100000@snow.fingers.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi > Has anybody successfully set up IPSEC between a FreeBSD box (I am using > 4.3-STABLE) and a Cisco VPN 3000 concentrator? > > The Cisco wants a "group name" and "group password", and I > can't tell how this maps to the racoon implementation of IKE keys. They have a linux client available for download if you have CCO access (and access to download 3DES software from them). That might give you some answers. Not sure if you can connect as a vpngroup member without their client. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/index.shtml#vpn3000 might be worth a read, with the index at http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/index.shtml. Regards --Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 14: 5:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.clifftop.net (machassociates-6.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.204.162.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0495237B402 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sisko ([192.168.1.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.clifftop.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g07M5N4p003501; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:05:23 GMT From: "Danny Horne" To: "Matthew Dillon" , Subject: RE: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:06:11 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.0(snapshot 20010925) (odo.clifftop.net) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oooohh!! Those model numbers bring back memories!! I remember drooling over the first Commodore Pet (the one with the rectangular keyboard) in one of the many computer shops that were springing up at the time. If anyone's interested, I've got a 2nd edition of Nick Hampshire's 'The Pet Revealed' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 14:47:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D501737B416 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-33qtmto.dsl.mindspring.com ([199.174.219.184] helo=gohan.cjclark.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NiYO-0003nj-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:47:45 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by gohan.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g07MlDm01278; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:47:11 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Yonatan Bokovza Cc: Leo Bicknell , "Rogier R. Mulhuijzen" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: path_mtu_discovery Message-ID: <20020107144711.A286@gohan.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Yonatan@xpert.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:57:26PM +0200 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:57:26PM +0200, Yonatan Bokovza wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Crist J. Clark [mailto:cristjc@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 02:39 > > To: Leo Bicknell > > Cc: Rogier R. Mulhuijzen; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: path_mtu_discovery > [snip] > > I'd support it if anyone actually has any credible evidence that such > > attacks have ever occured. Or if there is are plausible ways to attack > > that don't require someone to sniff and inject into a connection in > > which the victim is participating (if you can do that, you can do much > > worse). > > The original message of the "old thread" mentioned: > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=4186+0+archive/2001/freebsd-sec > urity/20010715.freebsd-security > > Darren Reed's post to BugTraq implied, IIRC, that an attacker can > kill (or slow down) a server if he requests a large file with low MSS. I took part in that discussion and there was no mention of real exploits. And TCP MSS is not the same thing as the PMTU (though they can be related). As I pointed out in that thread, there are much more devistating TCP attacks to worry about that are still threats like "Daytona" attacks. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's hilarious." Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 15:15:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7E937B405 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from manor.msen.com (wayne@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27723 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:15:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Message-Id: <200201072315.SAA27723@manor.msen.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Issues with /stand & sysinstall Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:15:42 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tried -questions, no response. Verified issue on 4.5 PRERELEASE. Going to /usr/src/release/sysinstall and doing make all make install builds a sysinstall which seems not to include the functionality needed to run as /stand/sh, /stand/fsck and friends. What is the correct way to build and install all of /stand? /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 15:32: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C3237B404 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15596 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 23:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jan 2002 23:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200201072315.SAA27723@manor.msen.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: "Michael R. Wayne" Subject: RE: Issues with /stand & sysinstall Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Jan-02 Michael R. Wayne wrote: > > Tried -questions, no response. Verified issue on 4.5 PRERELEASE. > > Going to > /usr/src/release/sysinstall > and doing > make all > make install > > builds a sysinstall which seems not to include the functionality > needed to run as /stand/sh, /stand/fsck and friends. What is the > correct way to build and install all of /stand? As part of the release process. It's a bit tricky. :) In current sysinstall has moved to src/usr.sbin/sysinstall and lives in /usr/sbin/sysinstall since it's just another program. /stand is basically copied off the boot floppy or CD during the installation process. It's meant to basically be a safety net in case you hose your filesystem so badly you don't have /bin/sh, etc. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 16:27:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2371637B41C for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0392.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.137] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Nk6R-0006SP-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:26:54 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Horne Cc: Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Danny Horne wrote: > Oooohh!! Those model numbers bring back memories!! > > I remember drooling over the first Commodore Pet (the one with the > rectangular keyboard) in one of the many computer shops that were springing > up at the time. Drool away, buddy! Here's mine, and it still works (chicklet keyboard, built in cassette drive, metal filing cabinet company case,40 character B&W monitor, and all): PET 2001-8 SN: 0031620 I have some of the original flyers for the PET and CBM boxes, as well as the yellow folded 4 page 8x11" "BASIC Reference" sheet, too... "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) > If anyone's interested, I've got a 2nd edition of Nick Hampshire's 'The Pet > Revealed' Now that's tempting.... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 16:32:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca (rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.232.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E8937B404 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from munish@localhost) by rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g081QTV75406; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:26:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from munish) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:26:29 -0600 From: Munish Chopra To: Terry Lambert Cc: Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020107192629.C12557@rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:26:54PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:26:54PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Danny Horne wrote: > > Oooohh!! Those model numbers bring back memories!! > > > > I remember drooling over the first Commodore Pet (the one with the > > rectangular keyboard) in one of the many computer shops that were springing > > up at the time. > > Drool away, buddy! Here's mine, and it still works (chicklet > keyboard, built in cassette drive, metal filing cabinet company > case,40 character B&W monitor, and all): > > PET 2001-8 > SN: 0031620 > > I have some of the original flyers for the PET and CBM boxes, > as well as the yellow folded 4 page 8x11" "BASIC Reference" > sheet, too... > > "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) > > > If anyone's interested, I've got a 2nd edition of Nick Hampshire's 'The Pet > > Revealed' > > Now that's tempting.... > Heh. And 386's seem ancient to me. I really *was* born 10 years too late. -- Munish Chopra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 16:50:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from patrocles.silby.com (d108.as6.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net [169.207.128.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FCD37B419 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (silby@localhost) by patrocles.silby.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g07Iqrh31357; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:52:55 GMT (envelope-from silby@silby.com) X-Authentication-Warning: patrocles.silby.com: silby owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:52:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Terry Lambert Cc: Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020107185203.R31122-100000@patrocles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) Does that just have LAN support, or does it support internet play too? I forgot when they made that transition... Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 18:22: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B403937B417 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from TD790@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.20.21dd4868 (1321) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:21:54 -0500 (EST) From: TD790@aol.com Message-ID: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:21:54 EST Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! To: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message dated 01/07/2002 7:32:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, mchopra@engmail.uwaterloo.ca writes: > > Drool away, buddy! Here's mine, and it still works (chicklet > > keyboard, built in cassette drive, metal filing cabinet company > > case,40 character B&W monitor, and all): > > > > PET 2001-8 > > SN: 0031620 > > > > I have some of the original flyers for the PET and CBM boxes, > > as well as the yellow folded 4 page 8x11" "BASIC Reference" > > sheet, too... > > > > "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) > Think they have the code to the C64 "supermon" assembler? I spend 3 evenings poking it in from Compute! and now I can't find the cassette anywhere. db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 18:36:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17F37B404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C96782D0; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:06:15 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:06:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: TD790@aol.com Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108130615.E91528@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [moved to -chat] On Monday, 7 January 2002 at 21:21:54 -0500, TD790@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/07/2002 7:32:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mchopra@engmail.uwaterloo.ca writes: > >>> Drool away, buddy! Here's mine, and it still works (chicklet >>> keyboard, built in cassette drive, metal filing cabinet company >>> case,40 character B&W monitor, and all): >>> >>> PET 2001-8 >>> SN: 0031620 >>> >>> I have some of the original flyers for the PET and CBM boxes, >>> as well as the yellow folded 4 page 8x11" "BASIC Reference" >>> sheet, too... >>> >>> "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) > > Think they have the code to the C64 "supermon" assembler? I spend 3 > evenings poking it in from Compute! and now I can't find the > cassette anywhere. Why not search for it? I got 35 hits on +c64 +supermon. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 18:39:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from artemis.drwilco.net (artemis.drwilco.net [209.167.6.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FD837B41F for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ceres.drwilco.net (docwilco.xs4all.nl [213.84.68.230]) by artemis.drwilco.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g082cpR93877 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO); Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:38:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drwilco@drwilco.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108034646.08065a38@mail.drwilco.net> X-Sender: lists@mail.drwilco.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:47:51 +0100 To: Mike Silbersack , Terry Lambert From: "Rogier R. Mulhuijzen" Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Cc: Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , In-Reply-To: <20020107185203.R31122-100000@patrocles.silby.com> References: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Does that just have LAN support, or does it support internet play too? I >forgot when they made that transition... If it even has LAN support, you should be able to play it over the internet. Just get creative with vtun, tap and ng_bridge =) DocWilco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 19:45:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from public.guangzhou.gd.cn (mail1-smtp.guangzhou.gd.cn [202.105.65.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2773437B419 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ss3([61.140.90.143]) by public.guangzhou.gd.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.1) with SMTP id jm493c3ad434; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:44:48 +0800 Message-ID: <001101c197f6$9bd45f20$8f5a8c3d@ss3> From: "Matthew" To: Subject: sound files Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:43:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG anyone knows how to get free sound files or record sound in FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 20:37:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C97937B420; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id g084bNu72218; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:37:22 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020107203722.A66819@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> <20020107214523.GB57358@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020107214523.GB57358@klapaucius.zer0.org>; from gsutter@zer0.org on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:45:23PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:45:23PM -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On 2002-01-07 13:28 -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > Oh my god. I don't even *remember* writing this one! This was when > > I was 18. Google's archive isn't complete but they've done an incredible > > job getting as much as they have. > > Yes, Google is indeed great. Now everyone can go back and find my > first USENET posting, which was to alt.life.sucks. Sigh. :) Yea, but aren't you STILL posting to alt.life.sucks? I'v move on to alt.freebsd.rocks.microsoft.sucks ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.4 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 21:18:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2391A37B404 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0442.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.187] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NoeD-0007YX-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3A810A.C616A903@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:18:02 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TD790@aol.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG TD790@aol.com wrote: > Think they have the code to the C64 "supermon" assembler? I spend 3 evenings > poking it in from Compute! and now I can't find the cassette anywhere. I have that somewhere. I also have the "Compute!" with it in it. 8-). If you want to download it, you can get it from here: http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/programs/supermon.s I also have "Aztec C" for the C64. I'd give you a copy, but that would violate the license, since mine's paid for... 8^p. http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/ Is a pretty good C64 resource... see also: http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ ...it has all the Waterloo stuff, among other things (schematics, ROM firmware images, etc.). BASIC, FORTAN, Pascal, APL, COBOL... 8-) 8-) -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 22: 4: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B7037B402 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ubik.demon.co.uk ([194.222.125.229]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NpMj-000O1P-0Y; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:04:06 +0000 Message-ID: <4Rb5GNArqoO8IwmC@ubik.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:59:07 +0000 To: Danny Horne Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Anthony Naggs Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Danny Horne writes >Oooohh!! Those model numbers bring back memories!! > >I remember drooling over the first Commodore Pet (the one with the >rectangular keyboard) in one of the many computer shops that were springing >up at the time. When my school bought its 3016 (1980?) it was a revelation. I had seen the big orange ICL mainframe where my dad worked, a room full of big cabinets and whirring disks & tapes, but this was a computer on a desk! >If anyone's interested, I've got a 2nd edition of Nick Hampshire's 'The Pet >Revealed' That, and Zaks' book on programming the 6502, certainly fuelled my enthusiasm and many hours with a switch connected to the NMI line and the MLM. I'm still fascinated by computer schematics, and dabbling with the hardware. ;-) Thankfully Google is missing many of my early postings. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 22:13:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA7337B404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g086DXl73808; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:13:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g086DVx31752; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:13:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:13:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020107.231317.128334888.imp@village.org> To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: gsutter@zer0.org, dillon@apollo.backplane.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020107203722.A66819@mooseriver.com> References: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> <20020107214523.GB57358@klapaucius.zer0.org> <20020107203722.A66819@mooseriver.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020107203722.A66819@mooseriver.com> Josef Grosch writes: : Yea, but aren't you STILL posting to alt.life.sucks? I'v move on to : alt.freebsd.rocks.microsoft.sucks /me does all his popsting in alt.freebsd.daemon.daemon.daemon these days. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Jan 7 23:32: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2249F37B419 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g087VlV14555; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:31:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:31:47 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Silbersack Cc: Terry Lambert , Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108083147.B14488@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> <20020107185203.R31122-100000@patrocles.silby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020107185203.R31122-100000@patrocles.silby.com>; from silby@silby.com on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:52:52PM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:52:52PM +0000, Mike Silbersack wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > "Space Invaders" Anyone? 8-) 8-) > > Does that just have LAN support, or does it support internet play too? I Internet?? UUCP dialup please ;-) ..!mcvax!philapd!wilko :-) I just found out that my first posting in Oct 89 is about the GNU project. Go figure. In those days I built my own SWTPc/09 clone system, running TSC FLEX and later TSC UniFlex. I still have it! Started off with 2 floppys, later grew a Miniscribe 3012, 10Mb @ 155ms average access time. 1Mbyte RAM. Motorola 6809 at 2 MHz. 2 years ago it still ran (OK, it blew a electrolytic cap in the HD power supply but that was an easy fix). 8) W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 0:25:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF09C37B416; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g088Pax67798; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:25:36 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (mark@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g078TAV62670; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:11 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200201070829.g078TAV62670@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Jeremy Lea Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should pam_ssh and xdm work? References: <20020107002223.A64504@shale.csir.co.za> In-Reply-To: <20020107002223.A64504@shale.csir.co.za> ; from Jeremy Lea "Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:22:23 +0200." Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:29:09 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've uncommented the entries for pam_ssh in /etc/pam.conf, and am trying > to log in via xdm on my local machine. I can type in my SSH passphrase > into the password box, and it authenticates me, and runs my .xsession. > So far, no problems. But it's not setting up the ssh-agent properly. Yes this is a known bug. We need to fix it. > Two copies of ssh-agent appear to be run, and the environment variables > "SSH_AUTH_SOCK" and "SSH_AGENT_PID" are not passed. They are not > available in any xterms, and they do not appear in the environment while > .xsession is being executed. > > Combinations of using "sufficient" and "required" for pam_ssh and > pam_unix do not seem to affect things. Nor should they :-) M -- o Mark Murray \_ FreeBSD Services Limited O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 3: 4:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from breg.mc.mpls.visi.com (breg.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B9A37B41A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by breg.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979AD2D05D3; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:04:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g08B4i309583; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:04:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:04:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8a Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com Organization: if (!FIFO) if (!LIFO) break; References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> In-Reply-To: <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> From: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! X-Original-Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.hackers To: tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heh. And I thought I was the only micro-micro-hacker that grew up into Unix! I've got _all_ the original CBM stuff for the VIC-20 and C-64, hardware and hardcopy. Even some aftermarket FDDs. I poked a _lot_ of stuff from Compute!, including the assembler, and have several of their wire-bound books, too. I've got the 6502 monitor and 300bps modem cartridges, and if I dig around, I'll bet I can find the breadboarded interface to an audio cassette player I built so long ago from a Byte article! I soldered "reset wires" to both machines' mobos, too. I've still got all software I accumulated on floppy (even some cool EA games, and MicroProse's Gunship), but I have no idea if any of it is still readable. Those were the days, my friends... Dave In article <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net>, tlambert2@mindspring.com writes: > TD790@aol.com wrote: >> Think they have the code to the C64 "supermon" assembler? I spend 3 evenings >> poking it in from Compute! and now I can't find the cassette anywhere. > > I have that somewhere. I also have the "Compute!" with it in > it. 8-). If you want to download it, you can get it from > here: > > http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/programs/supermon.s > > I also have "Aztec C" for the C64. I'd give you a copy, but > that would violate the license, since mine's paid for... 8^p. > > http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/ > > Is a pretty good C64 resource... see also: > > http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ > > ...it has all the Waterloo stuff, among other things (schematics, > ROM firmware images, etc.). BASIC, FORTAN, Pascal, APL, COBOL... > > 8-) 8-) > > -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 4:19:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E90137B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NvEF-000LCE-0A; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:19:43 +0000 Received: from herring (herring [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g08CIQ998445; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:26 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:18:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <200201072128.g07LSK655245@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Oh my god. I don't even *remember* writing this one! This was when > I was 18. Google's archive isn't complete but they've done an incredible > job getting as much as they have. > > Pet, C64, DMail, Shell (for the amiga), backup/restore utilities, > dme, dterm, AmigaUUCP, DICE, etc. It's all there in bits and pieces, > complete with my trademark spelling errors. That brings back memories. We wrote our own firmware for the 1541 since the commodore DOS was so slow. I forget what transfer rate we managed but it was much better than the standard code. Bit of a sod to debug though. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 4:31:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC87B37B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-134.wobline.de [212.68.69.142]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id g08CV4M28767; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:31:04 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (poison.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.5]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g08CVuX42936; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:31:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08CUgH76148; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:30:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:30:42 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: D J Hawkey Jr Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108133042.A76076@tisys.org> Mail-Followup-To: D J Hawkey Jr , tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain>; from hawkeyd@visi.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 05:04:44AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD poison.ncptiddische.net 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 1:22PM up 1:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.28 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 05:04:44AM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr stood up and spoke: > Heh. And I thought I was the only micro-micro-hacker that grew up into > Unix! > > I've got _all_ the original CBM stuff for the VIC-20 and C-64, hardware > and hardcopy. Even some aftermarket FDDs. Well, I have three working C64's here, along with some badly misaligned 1541-II drives. I also have a CMD FD-2000 somewhere, yes, this lets you use 3.5" HD floppies on the C64, giving you 1.6 MB of data storage (I think the one-sided 5.25" 1541 had about 170 kb). I also have a CMD SuperCPU here, this is a 20 Mhz accelerator (the normal C64 works at around 1 Mhz). Now, the SuperCPU also contains some 16 bit CPU that can work in comaptible mode to work just like the 6510. Still, this thing can also be programmed in "native mode", so if you own this device you have virtually replaced your 8 bit processor at 1 Mhz with a 16 bit processor at 20 Mhz. I actually used my C64 until 1995, then I got a PC and switched right to FreeBSD (after three weeks of Windows 95). I should probably dedicate a weekend to find out if these 200+ C64 disks in my collection are still working (that is, if I get my 1541-II's properly alaigned again...) A few years ago I tried hard to get a look at a real C65, you know, these things that Commodore never really finsished, but which showed up in a few units after Commodore went bankrupt. However, I have never been able to pick up or only look at such a machine. Since only very few of them are available (and they are all very buggy), they are traded at very *high* prices between CBM fans... Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 4:39:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F41437B41B for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1209 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Jan 2002 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (root@laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g08BCxK51603; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@laptop.baldwin.cx) Received: (from john@localhost) by laptop.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08BCRi00686; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:12:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: wpaul@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: [PATCH] Fix endianness bug in YP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG YP didn't work on my sparc64 testbox here until I crafted this patch. It's a simple combination of an endian problem on an arch where sizeof(long) != sizeof(IPv4 address). The patch can be found at http://www.freebsd.org/~jhb/patches/yp.patch and below: I've tested it on both sparc64 and i386. Both work fine. sparc64 didn't work prior to this. Unfortunately, my mailer is going to butcher it, so you probably want to fetch the version above. I'd like to commit it unless there are objections. Index: yplib.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/lib/libc/yp/yplib.c,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -r1.36 yplib.c --- yplib.c 23 May 2001 15:37:10 -0000 1.36 +++ yplib.c 8 Jan 2002 10:30:39 -0000 @@ -402,10 +402,12 @@ bzero(&ysd->dom_server_addr, sizeof ysd->dom_server_addr); ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_family = AF_INET; ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_len = sizeof(struct sockaddr_in); - ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = - *(u_long *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr; - ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port = - *(u_short *)&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port; + bcopy(&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr, + &ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr, + sizeof(ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr)); + bcopy(&ybr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port, + &ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port, + sizeof(ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port)); ysd->dom_server_port = ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port; _close(fd); @@ -497,10 +499,12 @@ bzero((char *)&ysd->dom_server_addr, sizeof ysd->dom_server_addr); ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_family = AF_INET; - ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port = - *(u_short *)&ypbr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port; - ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = - *(u_long *)&ypbr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr; + bcopy(&ypbr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_port, + &ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port, + sizeof(ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_port)); + bcopy(&ypbr.ypbind_resp_u.ypbind_bindinfo.ypbind_binding_addr, + &ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr, + sizeof(ysd->dom_server_addr.sin_addr.s_addr)); /* * We could do a reserved port check here too, but this -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 6:30:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [129.83.20.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AF537B426 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08EU9808260 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08EU8s06623 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-48-37.mitre.org (128.29.48.37) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 8843165; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3B0393.7E7DE887@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:34:59 -0500 From: "PSI, Mike Smith" Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20010313M (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Those of you out there whose memories include CHANGING diapers not WEARING them might appreciate this. At the Smithsonian they have an exhibit on the history of computers. They have all of the old, and I use the term loosely, systems on display, most still working. What's pathetic is that my wife (who is also in this field) and I walked down the ENTIRE line going "used it, programmed it, programmed it, used it". Didn't miss a one. Definitely worth a look see if you are in D.C. area and can take the revelation that you are part of what the Smithsonian considers "HISTORY" :-{ My pride and joy was a Dec Rainbow. It had dual processors! (Z80 and 8086) and single sided quad density floppies. Oh the joy of having your operating system (CP/M), program AND data accessible all at the same time! If you don't know what a .ovl extension represents and have never patched Wordstar, I'm sure this message has no meaning to you. Oh to be young again. Mike Smith mlsmith@mitre.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 7: 1:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.tninet.se (lennier.tninet.se [195.100.94.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2F37B404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from kairos.algonet.se (kairos.algonet.se [194.213.75.171]) by lennier.tninet.se (BMR ErlangTM/OTP 3.0) with ESMTP id 384408.502107.1010.1s5341380lennier for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:01:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 9159 invoked by uid 2493); 8 Jan 2002 15:01:42 -0000 Date: 8 Jan 2002 15:01:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020108150142.9158.qmail@kairos.algonet.se> From: Mats Lofkvist To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote > In those days I built my own SWTPc/09 clone system, running TSC FLEX > and later TSC UniFlex. I still have it! Started off with 2 floppys, > later grew a Miniscribe 3012, 10Mb @ 155ms average access time. 1Mbyte RAM. > Motorola 6809 at 2 MHz. 2 years ago it still ran (OK, it blew > a electrolytic cap in the HD power supply but that was an easy fix). Still have my SWTPc clone built around -83. Wire-wrapped from xerox'd original SWTPc schematics (only problem was that the schematics weren't always correct, took a while to figure out why the floppy controller didn't work :-). Never went beyond FLEX and a pair of floppies though, and cheated by buying a second hand SWTPc ct82 terminal (that's 82x16 on a 9 inch crt). That terminal together with a 300 bps modem was my usenet window for years. _ Mats Lofkvist mal@algonet.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 7:14:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mtbaker.tfm.com (mtbaker.tfm.com [192.231.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EAA37B404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:14:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from db@localhost) by mtbaker.tfm.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g08FBjf03181; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Bruce Message-Id: <200201081511.g08FBjf03181@mtbaker.tfm.com> Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <3C3B0393.7E7DE887@mitre.org> "from PSI, Mike Smith at Jan 8, 2002 09:34:59 am" To: "PSI, Mike Smith" Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:11:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL78 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG PSI, Mike Smith says: > Those of you out there whose memories include CHANGING diapers not > WEARING them might appreciate this. > > At the Smithsonian they have an exhibit on the history of computers. ... > > What's pathetic is that my wife (who is also in this field) and I walked > down the ENTIRE line going "used it, programmed it, programmed it, used We have the Science and Tech museum here in Ottawa. No its not as large, but it also has a computer museum. (http://www.science-tech.nmstc.ca/) But I had the same sad experience. I almost wanted to jump the rope to load the bootloader into a PDP-8... > If you don't know what a .ovl extension represents and have never > patched Wordstar, I'm sure this message has no meaning to you. Oh to be > young again. I never did Z-80 and CP/M but that reminds me of a PDP-11 RT-11 overlay file. -- Diane Bruce, http://www.db.net/~db db@db.net --- I got bored with the last witty aphorism. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 8:50:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF6937B41F for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:50:38 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16NzRW-0003Rc-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:49:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:49:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: To: "PSI, Mike Smith" Cc: hackers Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <3C3B0393.7E7DE887@mitre.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, PSI, Mike Smith wrote: > Those of you out there whose memories include CHANGING diapers not > WEARING them might appreciate this. Heh, yeah, I'm having real nostalgia pangs reading this. Maybe we sould take this to "freebsd-oldfarts@". the amazing nostalgia man (which the incredible power of remembering when this was all fields) -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk (Things I've found in my attic, #2: A hundredweight of pornography.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 9: 2:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F25637B41A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g08H0wA47685; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:00:58 GMT (envelope-from jhs) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:00:58 GMT Message-Id: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Which ftpd for proxy ? From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd - Munich Unix & Internet consultancy X-Web: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? My Background: - I'm not looking for high performance, (it's not a big company, just my home site with some internal hosts). - I will have the usual security concerns with the imminent arrival of a flat rate permanent DSL connection :-) - /usr/libexec/ftpd does not (at least did not) support proxy requests. - I have apache installed on my firewall & am using FTP_PROXY=http://gate but often remote ports distfile ftpd hosts refuse to serve me, perhaps because my apache is asking remote server on port 80, not ftp port. I looked at /usr/share/doc/handbook & faq but noticed nothing. I investigated ports/ftp/* with grep -i prox etc ... POSSIBLES: bftpd: Very configurable FTP server that can do chroot easily CHANGELOG: You can have bftpd bind to only one interface, for example, if you want to run an FTP proxy server on the same port on another network interface. lukemftpd: Enhanced ftp server from NetBSD src/ftpd.cat8: prevents `third-party proxy ftp' muddleftpd: A new ftp server that can perform a variety of ftp tasks src/proxy.c oftpd: A threaded, anonymous only FTP server designed for security grep shows no prox proftpd: Highly configurable ftp daemon grep shows no prox pure-ftpd: A small, easy to set up, fast and very secure FTP server my distfile corrup, so not grepped. vsftpd: A FTP daemon that aims to be "very secure" grep shows no prox wu-ftpd: A replacement ftp server for Un*x systems The zero-length .notar file can confuse some web clients and FTP proxies TO AVOID: ncftpd: commercial yale-tftpd: tftp I'd appreciate comment please. IE which should I use ? Thanks. Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Free Software with Free Sources: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 9: 2:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3D937B41D for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08AVWS46858 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:31:32 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201081031.g08AVWS46858@jhs.muc.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:26:54 PST." <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:31:32 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Re. > PET 2001-8 etc Ancient google archives might be better on chat@ not hackers@ , however, You may want to look at http://www.vintage.org & http://www.vcf.org Vintage Computer Fest http://www.vcfe.org Vintage Computer Fest Europa, http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/vcfe/ A BSD box designed by Bill Jollitz. Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 9: 4:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EE237B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 19A6D2E7; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:04:18 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Julian Stacey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? Message-ID: <20020108170418.A53171@genius.tao.org.uk> References: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@bim.bsn.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 05:00:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 05:00:58PM +0000, Julian Stacey wrote: > TO AVOID: > ncftpd: commercial=20 Just because it's commercial doesn't mean that it's no good. It is actually quite cheap, and we used it a lot at Pavilion Internet. Joe --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjw7JpIACgkQXVIcjOaxUBYrLgCgwXlac5B+WmSG3QRYHGHB7WXo 2k4AoO1YNQNapiL+giglMzGM/B2nhs5O =C4ir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 9:16:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [129.83.20.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363CF37B405 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08HFr820338; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08HFps23855; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-48-37.mitre.org (128.29.48.37) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 8847288; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3B2A6B.A1C4664A@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:20:43 -0500 From: "PSI, Mike Smith" Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20010313M (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Stacey , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <200201081031.g08AVWS46858@jhs.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ancient google archives might be better on chat@ not hackers@ , however, > You may want to look at > http://www.vintage.org & http://www.vcf.org Vintage Computer Fest > http://www.vcfe.org Vintage Computer Fest Europa, Old people don't do chat. Don't worry. Most of us can't even remember where we left our teeth. So by tomorrow, we definitely won't remember any of this and the list will be boring again. BTW, Never send oldfarts links to sites you think may interest them that contain words like "VINTAGE". We are the original hackers! Mike Smith mlsmith@mitre.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 10: 8:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.35.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331BF37B422 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adsl-63-198-35-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08I9Dt00623 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j_guojun@lbl.gov) Message-ID: <3C3B35C9.5D6F89BC@lbl.gov> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:09:13 -0800 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: zh, zh-CN, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Is this TCP tuning information true? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Fund a URL for TCP tuning at http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~dunigan/net100/auto.html At the bottom of the page, it says: OpenBSD/FreeBSD saved ssthresh/cwnd info for a path in the kernel routing table, as I recall? That info could be used to "prime" subsequent connections on the same path. Reference ? I traced the tcp_input.c/tcp_output.c (4.3-RELEASE), and did not found such information. Would someone confirm above information or point to where is the code or document for saving this ssthresh/cwnd information to the routing table? TIA, -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 10:37:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E5237B421 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g08IbJD18497; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: "Michael R. Wayne" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Issues with /stand & sysinstall In-Reply-To: Message from "Michael R. Wayne" of "Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:15:42 EST." <200201072315.SAA27723@manor.msen.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:37:19 -0800 Message-ID: <18493.1010515039@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is no way, currently. It's done by the crunchgen scripts as part of making a release but there's no way to do it for the purposes of repopulating /stand. > > Tried -questions, no response. Verified issue on 4.5 PRERELEASE. > > Going to > /usr/src/release/sysinstall > and doing > make all > make install > > builds a sysinstall which seems not to include the functionality > needed to run as /stand/sh, /stand/fsck and friends. What is the > correct way to build and install all of /stand? > > /\/\ \/\/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 10:46: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0874637B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0031.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.31] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O1Fj-0001vE-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B3E46.610AC5FB@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:26 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Matthew Dillon , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Rabson wrote: > That brings back memories. We wrote our own firmware for the 1541 since > the commodore DOS was so slow. I forget what transfer rate we managed but > it was much better than the standard code. Bit of a sod to debug though. Fastest I ever saw with a firmware hack was 53k... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 10:53:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C271637B483 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:53:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (swordfish.energyhq.org [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75C1724197; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:53:04 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Miguel Mendez Organization: Energy HQ To: Terry Lambert , Doug Rabson Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:52:53 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: Matthew Dillon , hackers@freebsd.org References: <3C3B3E46.610AC5FB@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3C3B3E46.610AC5FB@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020108185304.75C1724197@energyhq.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 08 January 2002 19:45, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > That brings back memories. We wrote our own firmware for the 1541 since > > the commodore DOS was so slow. I forget what transfer rate we managed but > > it was much better than the standard code. Bit of a sod to debug though. > > Fastest I ever saw with a firmware hack was 53k... Now that I'm subscribed to c64-hackers let's do some lda's here an there. I even have some Oxyron demo disks around :) How about BSD for the 6510? ;-P -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11: 6:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC28637B984 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0031.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.31] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O1Sv-0006FV-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:59:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B4185.517C8BC7@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:59:17 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Stacey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? References: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Stacey wrote: > > Hi all, > Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, > from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? man libalias Then install natd. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11: 9:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C0C37B4C9 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0031.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.31] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O1Zk-0001LW-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B432A.ECD7795B@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:06:18 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel Mendez Cc: Doug Rabson , Matthew Dillon , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <3C3B3E46.610AC5FB@mindspring.com> <20020108185304.75C1724197@energyhq.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Miguel Mendez wrote: > Now that I'm subscribed to c64-hackers let's do some lda's here an there. I > even have some Oxyron demo disks around :) > > How about BSD for the 6510? ;-P There's no GCC for it, and some idiot keeps converting things to ANSI C, so I have an incredibly hard time compiling the code on my C64 and Amiga with Aztec C (from Manx software), which are both vanilla K&R compilers. It used to be that UNIX was written in K&R C by the people who invented both C and UNIX in the first place... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11:32:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8585F37B431 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g08JWNF60649; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201081932.g08JWNF60649@apollo.backplane.com> To: Doug Rabson Cc: Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :That brings back memories. We wrote our own firmware for the 1541 since :the commodore DOS was so slow. I forget what transfer rate we managed but :it was much better than the standard code. Bit of a sod to debug though. : :-- :Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com : Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 Yup. Remember Bryce's 1541 Flash? He was working on beefing up the C64 serial link while I was working on beefing up the PET's (software driven) IEEE-488 link. We both managed to increase disk bandwidth by an order of magnitude, mainly by synchronizing the computer's 6502 with the peripheral's 65xx and then just stuffing data into the ports without bothering with any handshakes until the very end. That old usenet posting I posted has some references to it. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11:42:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net (cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net [150.101.236.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C8537B419 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.aus.com (cu518.adsl.adelaide.on.net [127.0.0.1]) by cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08LqY713280 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:22:35 +1030 Message-ID: <3C3B55FA.1020900@ns.aus.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 06:56:34 +1030 From: Richard Sharpe Reply-To: rsharpe@ns.aus.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010917 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Is there anyway from userspace to get the 'enum vtagtype v_tag' for a vnode for an open file? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I want to find out the file system type from userspace for an open file. Can I get at this info? the stat call does not give it to me. -- Richard Sharpe, rsharpe@ns.aus.com, LPIC-1 www.samba.org, www.ethereal.com, SAMS Teach Yourself Samba in 24 Hours, Special Edition, Using Samba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11:47:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE51C37B404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08JljN39263; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:47:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:47:45 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201081947.g08JljN39263@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? In-Reply-To: <3C3B4185.517C8BC7@mindspring.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.4-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Julian Stacey wrote: > > Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, > > from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? > > man libalias > Then install natd. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounded like he is searching for an application-level proxy, not a packet-level one. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11:55:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net (cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net [150.101.236.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38037B41A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.aus.com (cu518.adsl.adelaide.on.net [127.0.0.1]) by cu518.adelaide.adsl.on.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08M5Y713391; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:35:34 +1030 Message-ID: <3C3B5904.5050105@ns.aus.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:09:32 +1030 From: Richard Sharpe Reply-To: rsharpe@ns.aus.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010917 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsharpe@ns.aus.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there anyway from userspace to get the 'enum vtagtype v_tag' for a vnode for an open file? References: <3C3B55FA.1020900@ns.aus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Richard Sharpe wrote: > Hi, > > I want to find out the file system type from userspace for an open file. > > Can I get at this info? the stat call does not give it to me. Hmmm, getfsspec seems to fill the need. Sorry for the noise. -- Richard Sharpe, rsharpe@ns.aus.com, LPIC-1 www.samba.org, www.ethereal.com, SAMS Teach Yourself Samba in 24 Hours, Special Edition, Using Samba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 11:59:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [216.33.66.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF1837B41E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 8012981E11; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:59:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:59:27 -0600 From: Alfred Perlstein To: rsharpe@ns.aus.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is there anyway from userspace to get the 'enum vtagtype v_tag' for a vnode for an open file? Message-ID: <20020108135927.O18706@elvis.mu.org> References: <3C3B55FA.1020900@ns.aus.com> <3C3B5904.5050105@ns.aus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3B5904.5050105@ns.aus.com>; from sharpe@ns.aus.com on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:09:32AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Richard Sharpe [020108 13:55] wrote: > Richard Sharpe wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to find out the file system type from userspace for an open file. > > > > Can I get at this info? the stat call does not give it to me. > > Hmmm, getfsspec seems to fill the need. Sorry for the noise. I think you want fstatfs(2). -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' Tax deductable donations for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 12:12:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-d.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.13.43.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCF737B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by turtle.looksharp.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 3CA463E92; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turtle.looksharp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30722BAA6; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:17:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Julian Stacey Cc: Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <200201081031.g08AVWS46858@jhs.muc.de> Message-ID: <20020108151507.J8886-100000@turtle.looksharp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: >You may want to look at > http://www.vintage.org & http://www.vcf.org Vintage Computer Fest > http://www.vcfe.org Vintage Computer Fest Europa, > http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/vcfe/ A BSD box designed by Bill Jollitz. Add to that a friend of a friend: http://www.corestack.com Brandon D. Valentine -- "Iam mens praetrepidans avet vagari." - G. Valerius Catullus, Carmina, XLVI To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 13:35:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD24337B405 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08LZS535296; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:35:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:35:27 -0500 To: David Miller From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Overriding ARG_MAX Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:54 PM -0500 1/4/02, David Miller wrote: >What I usually want to do is something more like ls *.out |wc -l, >or grep something *.data or cat *.foo | grep something. > >I have rebuilt the system in the past after greatly expanding >ARG_MAX, and that does what I want. I'm just looking for an easy >way to preserve it across cvsups, not looking for alternate ways >to list the files in a directory:) While "greatly expanding" ARG_MAX might do what you want, it is a bad idea as there are a number of side-effects to doing that. You are not "just fixing" your problem, you are greatly increasing the memory usage of many things in the system -- some of which are going to assume the official POSIX setting for ARG_MAX (intentionally or unintentionally) no matter what you change it to. That is a mighty big hammer to swing to fix the problem you're talking about, and it's a hammer that you're going to have to keep "expanding" as you get more files to process. I doubt you'll be thrilled with this answer, as I am also going to ignore your direct question to answer what *I* consider to be "the bigger" question, but I would do this some other way. If it were me, I would write a script in perl or ruby which would do the operations I feel I need to do on these directories of files. Maybe I'd even generalize it, so I could feed it "normal-looking" commands, and the script would know how to break up the list of files to get the right results -- without going over ARG_MAX. This way you don't have to care about changing the size of ARG_MAX. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 13:38:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE47137B404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g08LcFS61637; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> To: hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) Cc: tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Unix! : :I've got _all_ the original CBM stuff for the VIC-20 and C-64, hardware :and hardcopy. Even some aftermarket FDDs. : :I poked a _lot_ of stuff from Compute!, including the assembler, and :have several of their wire-bound books, too. : :I've got the 6502 monitor and 300bps modem cartridges, and if I dig :around, I'll bet I can find the breadboarded interface to an audio :cassette player I built so long ago from a Byte article! I soldered :"reset wires" to both machines' mobos, too. : :I've still got all software I accumulated on floppy (even some cool EA :games, and MicroProse's Gunship), but I have no idea if any of it is :still readable. : :Those were the days, my friends... :Dave Ah yes. By the time I was ready to throw my PET away the hardware inside was so hacked up I don't think anybody but me could boot the thing. I had replaced the character generator ROM with a RAM and wired in a wire select to an unused bank, which meant the screen was spaghetti on power-up until i LOAD'd a copy of the character set. I had the machine language monitor extension rom. I had wired in an extra 16K of dynamic ram, giving me 48K total (bank selected) (imagine piggy-backing a bank of 14 or 16 pin DIPs on another bank and soldering each lead, except for the select, to the one below). I had the NMI button hooked up, of course, and I brought the TTL video lead for the monitor out to act as a poor man's oscilliscope. The insides of that box was a mess. These days traces or so tiny and chip leads are so close together (not to mention the 6+ layer boards!) that hacking a PC's hardware is pretty close to impossible. But it's funny... I never had a desire to hack up my C64's or my Amiga's. I guess there enough fun things to do with them that hardware hacking wasn't necessary. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 13:43:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C7D37B41D for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08LhIl17507; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:43:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:43:18 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Dillon Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108224318.B17465@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com>; from dillon@apollo.backplane.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:38:15PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:38:15PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :Those were the days, my friends... > :Dave > > Ah yes. By the time I was ready to throw my PET away the hardware > inside was so hacked up I don't think anybody but me could boot the > thing. I had replaced the character generator ROM with a RAM and wired > in a wire select to an unused bank, which meant the screen was spaghetti > on power-up until i LOAD'd a copy of the character set. I had the > machine language monitor extension rom. I had wired in an extra 16K of > dynamic ram, giving me 48K total (bank selected) (imagine piggy-backing > a bank of 14 or 16 pin DIPs on another bank and soldering each lead, > except for the select, to the one below). I had the NMI button hooked Ah, but that is easy. I did the same when I got my hands on a free stack of DRAM chips. But mine were J-lead SMD jobs. Interesting... ;-) > These days traces or so tiny and chip leads are so close together (not > to mention the 6+ layer boards!) that hacking a PC's hardware is pretty > close to impossible. Hm. 2 months ago I removed a SMD multifunction I/O chip from a dual CPU slot 1 mainboard. And put a new (well, had to desolder that one from a donor mainboard) chip back on. It *is* doable, but you need a stereo microscope, a Weller fine-pointed thermocontrolled soldering iron and lots of patience. Only downside: people started to dial 112 (our version of 911) when I told them ;)) W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 13:52:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD97D37B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a233.otenet.gr [212.205.215.233]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g08Lq1m19131; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:52:02 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08LpwK76825; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:51:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:51:58 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: SeamyCliff@netscape.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A Helping Hand Message-ID: <20020108215158.GB76159@hades.hell.gr> References: <3C36886B.3040809@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C36886B.3040809@netscape.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002-01-04 23:00:27, SeamyCliff@netscape.net wrote: > Whichever hacker, > > Upon reading section 3.1 in > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RELEASE/floppies/README.TXT, > I learned that you can always use a helping hand. I, however, do not > know how to program just yet. The project aroused my interest, and > I'd like to help out when I can. If you'd like, I'll take any and > all advice provided on how to go about helping the freebsd team > through recommended reads, practices, and people to talk to. > > I learn very fast, and I am quite aspiring. If you're interested, we > could talk more on IRC. The front page of http://www.FreeBSD.org/ has a link to the article titled "Contributing to FreeBSD". http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html That should get you started :-) - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:22: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA66437B41B for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from TD790@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.175.1d34975 (1332) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: TD790@aol.com Message-ID: <175.1d34975.296ccb03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:21:55 EST Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! To: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message dated 01/08/2002 2:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlambert2@mindspring.com writes: > Miguel Mendez wrote: > > Now that I'm subscribed to c64-hackers let's do some lda's here an there. > I > > even have some Oxyron demo disks around :) > > > > How about BSD for the 6510? ;-P > Can I interest anyone in a half box of Elephant Disks (the ones the labels wouldn't stay on)? DB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:31:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69EE37B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O4mE-0004jr-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:31:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B733D.925BA4F2@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:31:25 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? References: <200201081947.g08JljN39263@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oliver Fromme wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Julian Stacey wrote: > > > Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, > > > from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? > > > > man libalias > > Then install natd. > > Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounded like he is searching for an > application-level proxy, not a packet-level one. The natd program has application level proxy code (natd is an application level program) that supports FTP, RTSP, QuickTime, RealAudio, and other application protocols that have the bad grace to pass IP address and port information over a control link. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:36:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (brea.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD0637B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C5D2DDC05; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:36:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g08MYS535122; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:34:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:34:28 -0600 From: D J Hawkey Jr To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108163427.A34988@sheol.localdomain> Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com>; from dillon@apollo.backplane.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:38:15PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jan 08, at 01:38 PM, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > Ah yes. By the time I was ready to throw my PET away the hardware > inside was so hacked up I don't think anybody but me could boot the > thing. > > [SNIP] > > -Matt I've never been much of a hardware hacker, but my buddy, some eight years older than I (with an EE degree), hacked up his PET pretty good. I don't know the particulars, but I remember a wrapped core of wires some inch-think that went all over his house. He had managed to get the little thing to control his garage-door opener, his microwave oven, his stereo system, and I don't remember all what else. You could access it remotely, too. The stereo thang was SO cool. He'd cataloged all his 8'' quad tape reels - which he'd set up with some sort of markers on the "unused" channels - so you could walk up to the PET, select a song from a menu, it'd tell you what reel to mount, and it'd find that song and play it! FF, RW, skip, repeat, all the bells and whistles. Select radio freqs on the tuner, too! I remember all sorts of solenoids and servos he added to the guts of his stereo equipment to pull this off. I was like, 16 or 17, as I recall, and that just blew me away. He goes back to wire-wrapping instructions on CDC test equipment, and now is focused on bleeding-edge HDD controllers. He's the "mad scientist guy" in my life. My "heyday" was back when MS-DOS was still fair game, and DESQview was the cool thing to run on a PC. I hacked their and the BIOS interrupts a lot, and was actually paid pretty well for it. Can't do that no more, though. OK, enough of this Wayback Machine(tm) stuff. See Ya, Dave -- ______________________ ______________________ \__________________ \ D. J. HAWKEY JR. / __________________/ \________________/\ hawkeyd@visi.com /\________________/ http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:37:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B7B37B419 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g08MatK61946; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201082236.g08MatK61946@apollo.backplane.com> To: Wilko Bulte Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <20020108224318.B17465@freebie.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hm. 2 months ago I removed a SMD multifunction I/O chip from a dual :CPU slot 1 mainboard. And put a new (well, had to desolder that one :from a donor mainboard) chip back on. It *is* doable, but you need a :stereo microscope, a Weller fine-pointed thermocontrolled soldering iron and :lots of patience. : :Only downside: people started to dial 112 (our version of 911) when :I told them ;)) :W/ :-- :| / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org :|/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands Ah, that's no fun. Try this: Take a surface-mounted circuit board, turn it upside down, and apply a heat gun to the backside. Now *that* is fun! -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:43:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D3937B41A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108224355.YNOR20395.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:43:55 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08Mhtl78482; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201082243.g08Mhtl78482@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: TD790@aol.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-reply-to: <175.1d34975.296ccb03@aol.com> References: <175.1d34975.296ccb03@aol.com> Comments: In-reply-to TD790@aol.com message dated "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:21:55 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:43:55 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, TD790@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/08/2002 2:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlambert2@mindspring.com writes: > > > Miguel Mendez wrote: > > > Now that I'm subscribed to c64-hackers let's do some lda's here an > there. > > I > > > even have some Oxyron demo disks around :) > > > > > > How about BSD for the 6510? ;-P > > > > Can I interest anyone in a half box of Elephant Disks (the ones the labels > wouldn't stay on)? ; I don't know which is more sad, the fact that I thought of doing this, ; or the fact that I still remember how. COUT EQU $FDED ; character output REPLY LDX #0 :1 LDA TEXT,X BEQ :2 JSR COUT INX BNE :1 ; blows up if string length > 255 :2 RTS TEXT BYT "No thanks, I've got a bunch from my Apple ][ days.", $0D, $00 Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:58:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF76737B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O5CS-0001pZ-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:58:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:58:31 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > Ah yes. By the time I was ready to throw my PET away the hardware > inside was so hacked up I don't think anybody but me could boot the > thing. I had replaced the character generator ROM with a RAM and wired > in a wire select to an unused bank, which meant the screen was spaghetti > on power-up until i LOAD'd a copy of the character set. UGH. You didn't load the RAM from the ROM at power on?!? We had the "high resolution graphics" board in one machine; it's where I did my first ray tracing code, for an Optics class. Now *that* was a cool third party board, replacing the character generator output with bitmapped graphics, and un-overlapping the video memory by actually wiring in the chip select for more RAM. > I had the machine language monitor extension rom. 8-). Quick, what are "A0", "A2", and "A4", and what are their operands? What's the difference between "4C" and "6C"? 8-) 8-). > I had wired in an extra 16K of dynamic ram, giving me 48K > total (bank selected) (imagine piggy-backing a bank of 14 > or 16 pin DIPs on another bank and soldering each lead, > except for the select, to the one below). I paid the $18 (a tidy sum, in those days!) for the 100 pin edge connector from DigiKey, and expanded that way. For the bank select, I had a set of sockets to sit in the sockets between the RAM and the motherboard for the select. Mostly I just ran with the 32K, which was enough for almost anything you would ever want to do... > I had the NMI button hooked up, of course, and I brought > the TTL video lead for the monitor out to act as a poor > man's oscilliscope. The insides of that box was a > mess. Heh. The only ugly thing about mine today is the replacement power diodes are larger so they won't cook, and I replaced the Molex connector do that opening and closing the case didn't short the power supply... > These days traces or so tiny and chip leads are so close > together (not to mention the 6+ layer boards!) that hacking > a PC's hardware is pretty close to impossible. Not to mention incredibly uninteresting. When PCI went in, the "experimentor's cards" became too complicated, as well 8-(, so things aren't nearly as easy as they used to be, even back in the ISA days... > But it's funny... I never had a desire to hack up my C64's > or my Amiga's. I guess there enough fun things to do with > them that hardware hacking wasn't necessary. You never did the "Fat Agnes" surgery, or the "Spirit" memory board thing on an Amiga 1000, so you could see the "double half bright" demo animation of the tap-dancing guy while "In the Hall of the Mountain King" played out the speakers? There's also the 68010 hack for the 1000 (you needed to hack virus code to make the MPSW fixup patch live across a reboot so that you could run the PC and Mac emulators, but it let you run SVR3.2 on the A1000, if you had the Supra SCSI drive and Zorro controller... ah, the first UNIX box I ever owned...). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 14:59:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9752337B41F for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08Mxrf48969; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:59:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:59:53 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201082259.g08Mxrf48969@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? In-Reply-To: <3C3B733D.925BA4F2@mindspring.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.4-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounded like he is searching for an > > application-level proxy, not a packet-level one. > > The natd program has application level proxy code (natd is an > application level program) that supports FTP, RTSP, QuickTime, > RealAudio, and other application protocols that have the bad > grace to pass IP address and port information over a control > link. I thought that natd just parsed the PORT and PASV commands and replies, respectively, and changed them accordingly, while just passing on everything else. That's not what I call an application-level proxy. It's a packet-level proxy with some hacks. ;-) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15: 5: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFBC37B41F for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O5Ii-0004E9-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:05:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B7B1B.2CFED29@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:04:59 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? References: <200201082259.g08Mxrf48969@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oliver Fromme wrote: > I thought that natd just parsed the PORT and PASV commands > and replies, respectively, and changed them accordingly, > while just passing on everything else. That's not what I > call an application-level proxy. It's a packet-level proxy > with some hacks. ;-) What do you want it to do above and beyond that? There's very little else *to* do, I think... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:15:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769C237B42C for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g08NExK62190; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201082314.g08NExK62190@apollo.backplane.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :UGH. You didn't load the RAM from the ROM at power on?!? : :We had the "high resolution graphics" board in one machine; it's :where I did my first ray tracing code, for an Optics class. Now :*that* was a cool third party board, replacing the character :generator output with bitmapped graphics, and un-overlapping the :video memory by actually wiring in the chip select for more RAM. : :> I had the machine language monitor extension rom. : :8-). Quick, what are "A0", "A2", and "A4", and what are their :operands? What's the difference between "4C" and "6C"? 8-) 8-). AAaaahhh Aaaahhhhh take them away! take them away! God, it's all coming back. A2, ldx # immediate.. NO NO! I refuse! The pain, the pain! My favorite is A1 and B1. NO! STOP! But, do you know what '02' does? On an original 6502? The 6502 was a hardwired processor, which means that even the hex codes that didn't have an official instruction did things. Weird things to be sure, but things nontheless. They cleaned it up later on (in the 816) but not in the PET/C64 era and not on the 6502 based 65xx series. Somebody somewhere has a complete list of unsupported instructions that nevertheless do interesting things. I wrote a centipede game entirely in machine language and sent it off to cursor magazine, but they didn't publish it... I think they thought I might have stolen it or something it was so good :-(. The last level was the best... the centipede was invisible and only became visible for a few seconds when you hit it. I *so* wish I still had that code. :You never did the "Fat Agnes" surgery, or the "Spirit" memory :board thing on an Amiga 1000, so you could see the "double half :bright" demo animation of the tap-dancing guy while "In the :Hall of the Mountain King" played out the speakers? No, never did that. :There's also the 68010 hack for the 1000 (you needed to hack :virus code to make the MPSW fixup patch live across a reboot :so that you could run the PC and Mac emulators, but it let :you run SVR3.2 on the A1000, if you had the Supra SCSI drive :and Zorro controller... ah, the first UNIX box I ever owned...). : :-- Terry Ho! -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:15:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (brea.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BBB37B42F for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheol.localdomain (hawkeyd-fw.dsl.visi.com [208.42.101.193]) by brea.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086AE2DDB18; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:15:33 -0600 (CST) Received: (from hawkeyd@localhost) by sheol.localdomain (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g08NFWb35319; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:15:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hawkeyd) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:15:32 -0600 From: D J Hawkey Jr To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020108171532.A35250@sheol.localdomain> Reply-To: hawkeyd@visi.com References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:58:31PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jan 08, at 02:58 PM, Terry Lambert wrote: > > 8-). Quick, what are "A0", "A2", and "A4", and what are their > operands? What's the difference between "4C" and "6C"? 8-) 8-). LDY imm, LDX imm, LDY zpg. JMP abs vs. JMP ind. HA! > -- Terry Dave -- ______________________ ______________________ \__________________ \ D. J. HAWKEY JR. / __________________/ \________________/\ hawkeyd@visi.com /\________________/ http://www.visi.com/~hawkeyd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:16:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE3737B419 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g08NGib62207; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201082316.g08NGib62207@apollo.backplane.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :... :> in a wire select to an unused bank, which meant the screen was spaghetti :> on power-up until i LOAD'd a copy of the character set. : :UGH. You didn't load the RAM from the ROM at power on?!? No extra rom slots. Had to load from tape or floppy. :We had the "high resolution graphics" board in one machine; it's :where I did my first ray tracing code, for an Optics class. Now :*that* was a cool third party board, replacing the character :generator output with bitmapped graphics, and un-overlapping the :video memory by actually wiring in the chip select for more RAM. I seem to recall the CBM business machines (decked out PETs with a larger screen and other cool stuff) had some cool graphics capabilities, but the only time I was ever able to play with one was in the computer store. They were just too expensive for me at the time. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:22:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0611037B41A for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08NM1418032; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:22:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:22:01 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Dillon Cc: D J Hawkey Jr , tlambert2@mindspring.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020109002201.A17998@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <20020108224318.B17465@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200201082236.g08MatK61946@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201082236.g08MatK61946@apollo.backplane.com>; from dillon@apollo.backplane.com on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:36:55PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:36:55PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :Hm. 2 months ago I removed a SMD multifunction I/O chip from a dual > :CPU slot 1 mainboard. And put a new (well, had to desolder that one > :from a donor mainboard) chip back on. It *is* doable, but you need a > :stereo microscope, a Weller fine-pointed thermocontrolled soldering iron and > :lots of patience. > : > :Only downside: people started to dial 112 (our version of 911) when > :I told them ;)) > :W/ > :-- > :| / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > :|/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands > > Ah, that's no fun. Try this: Take a surface-mounted circuit board, > turn it upside down, and apply a heat gun to the backside. Now *that* > is fun! Sure, works. But then you can generally throw the PCB away. I was trying to fix it remember? :-P Instead of a heat gun I saw some adventurous people use an acetylene torch. Now that works quick ;-) Fascinating.. -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:22:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from a.mx.canon.com.au (bergeron.research.canon.com.au [203.12.172.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B38B37B404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (kwanon.research.canon.com.au [203.12.172.254]) by a.mx.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA81339E8; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:22:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blow.research.canon.com.au (blow.research.canon.com.au [10.8.1.4]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685868B2B; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:02:11 +1100 (EST) Received: by blow.research.canon.com.au (Postfix, from userid 683) id C3E533270A; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:41 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blow.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B395032708; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:41 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:41 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Matthew Dillon wrote: > I had wired in an extra 16K of dynamic ram, giving me 48K > total (bank selected) (imagine piggy-backing a bank of 14 > or 16 pin DIPs on another bank and soldering each lead, > except for the select, to the one below). Yes, now imagine doing that with 100 odd pin TSOP's with really small pitch, stacked three high... we have a couple of them at work for some eval boards which didn't have enough memory. Iain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 15:36:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832FB37B427 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108233613.DTZ20395.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:36:13 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08NaCw78995; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:36:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201082336.g08NaCw78995@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Terry Lambert , D J Hawkey Jr , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-reply-to: <200201082314.g08NExK62190@apollo.backplane.com> References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> <200201082314.g08NExK62190@apollo.backplane.com> Comments: In-reply-to Matthew Dillon message dated "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:14:59 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:36:12 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Matthew Dillon wrote: > But, do you know what '02' does? On an original 6502? The 6502 > was a hardwired processor, which means that even the hex codes that > didn't have an official instruction did things. Weird things to be > sure, but things nontheless. They cleaned it up later on (in the 816) > but not in the PET/C64 era and not on the 6502 based 65xx series. I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone ever call the 65816 a cleaned-up version of anything. Talk about a Jeckyl and Hyde processor! (For the uninitiated, it had these mode bits where you could set parts of the processor to be either 8-bit or 16-bit mode, along with things like the 8086's segment registers to give you this pseudo-24-bit addressing. I think they finally did use all 256 opcodes on that one.) Oh yeah, I think someone had to do some amount of "clean up" for the 65C02 since it had a few more (defined) opcodes than the original 6502. [Centipede game] Ob-65XXX hack: I once wrote a spreadsheet, starting from a numerics package, ProDOS, and a GUI toolkit. In assembler. Doing the infix expression parser was especially fun. If anyone remembers Pinpoint Publishing and their still-borne "Digit", well, that was it. I still have my code, in a couple of two-inch binders somewhere. > Somebody somewhere has a complete list of unsupported instructions > that nevertheless do interesting things. I have this odd feeling that such a list was either in the Zaks book or one of the Apple ][ reference manuals. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 16:28: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E1137B43B for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090Rm571116 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200201082314.g08NExK62190@apollo.backplane.com> References: <20.21dd4868.296bb1c2_aol.com@ns.sol.net> <3C3A810A.C616A903_mindspring.com@ns.sol.net> <200201081104.g08B4i309583@sheol.localdomain> <200201082138.g08LcFS61637@apollo.backplane.com> <3C3B7997.205E404A@mindspring.com> <200201082314.g08NExK62190@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:47 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay. Could we move the trip(s) down memory lane to some other mailing list? I'm certainly old enough to wax nostalgic about many things, but somehow freebsd-hackers doesn't seem to be an appropriate place to do that. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:15:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159BA37B419 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g091BBn49734; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:11:12 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201090111.g091BBn49734@jhs.muc.de> To: Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:59:17 +0100." <3C3B4185.517C8BC7@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:11:11 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Julian Stacey wrote: > > Hi all, > > Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, > > from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? > > man libalias > > Then install natd. I don't believe that's the solution I'm looking for. I may be wrong, or things may have changed, but when I built my firewall a few years back I was under the strong impression that NAT was a poor man's cheap & dirty insecure replacement for a proper firewall ? I don't want to secure all my internal hosts, I just want the gate to be secure. I went to the effort of doing the thing right, building all the ipfw rules, getting internal & external named roughly right, getting sendmails on gate & internals to forward (OK, incoming is OK, but I admit outgoing is not yet right), getting apache reconfig'd to support proxying (it didnt used to, might now by default, can't remember), ftp proxy is about the last thing. I'm not be convinced it'd be worth tossing all that work & putting in a NATD security loophole ? I suppose folks on security@freebsd.org might know more about ipfw + proxies V. NAT, but I wasnt really asking to discuss that, I was asking for reccomendations on proxying ftpd's. Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:16:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17BD37B41C for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08NMLn49087; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:22:21 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201082322.g08NMLn49087@jhs.muc.de> To: Josef Karthauser Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd - Munich Unix & Internet consultancy X-Web: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:04:18 +0100." <20020108170418.A53171@genius.tao.org.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:22:21 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > TO AVOID: > > ncftpd: commercial=20 > > Just because it's commercial doesn't mean that it's no good. It is > actually quite cheap, and we used it a lot at Pavilion Internet. I wrote: >> (it's not a big company, just my home site with some internal hosts) I want a proxy ftpd for Home Use. I have no budget & want no licensing hastle now or later. Free software is also easier to later clone, custom config & supply to customers pre config'd with rest of systems. Are there features of ncftpd I can't get for free with the other ftpd's ? Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:16:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD39637B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08Mx9n48972; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:59:09 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201082259.g08Mx9n48972@jhs.muc.de> To: Nils Holland Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: Message from Nils Holland of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:30:42 +0100." <20020108133042.A76076@tisys.org> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:59:08 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nils Holland wrote: > I should probably dedicate a weekend to find out if these 200+ C64 disks in > my collection are still working (that is, if I get my 1541-II's properly > alaigned again...) Doubtless some will have bad sectors by now. Here's a rescue tool: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/valid/valid.c & valid.1 `Valid' runs on FreeBSD, but only rescues when running on MSDOS ! (because read() on DOS3.2 returns the intact buffer even if the CRC fails, so I can then average each bit of each byte in each sector for all reads). `Valid' works at sector level, no knowledge of file systems, so it can rescue/ manipulate BSD FS sectors on floppy, tar images, DOS or Minix file systems etc. Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:16:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A33837B416 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g08N8Qn49002; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:26 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201082308.g08N8Qn49002@jhs.muc.de> To: Mats Lofkvist Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: Message from Mats Lofkvist of "08 Jan 2002 15:01:42 GMT." <20020108150142.9158.qmail@kairos.algonet.se> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:08:26 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mats Lofkvist wrote: > > Still have my SWTPc clone built around -83. Wire-wrapped from ....> > Never went beyond FLEX and a pair of floppies though, and cheated I was part of a 4 man team for a better DOS for the SWTPC M6800 in 79/80, I still have email contact with one of the fellow students who may have a copy of what he wrote back then, if wanted. Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:27:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A89B37B416 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id EF829314; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:27:06 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Julian Stacey Cc: Josef Karthauser , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? Message-ID: <20020109012706.A64196@genius.tao.org.uk> References: <20020108170418.A53171@genius.tao.org.uk> <200201082322.g08NMLn49087@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201082322.g08NMLn49087@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@bim.bsn.com on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:22:21AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:22:21AM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > TO AVOID: > > > ncftpd: commercial=3D20 > >=20 > > Just because it's commercial doesn't mean that it's no good. It is > > actually quite cheap, and we used it a lot at Pavilion Internet. >=20 > I wrote: >=20 > >> (it's not a big company, just my home site with some internal hosts) I believe that you can use ncftpd with a 5 user licence for free. =20 Joe --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjw7nGoACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaRUQCgj0u6ctwUq/xhtHk6D6zfiqmR C8gAnRDgqIY54KGV8/VljlcxfQyzypeQ =R+Ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 17:32:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF22837B417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0630.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.200.120] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O7bc-0001s8-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:32:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3B9DB6.36D9697E@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:32:38 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Stacey Cc: Nils Holland , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... References: <200201082259.g08Mx9n48972@jhs.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Stacey wrote: > Doubtless some will have bad sectors by now. Here's a rescue tool: > http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/valid/valid.c & valid.1 > > `Valid' runs on FreeBSD, but only rescues when running on MSDOS ! > (because read() on DOS3.2 returns the intact buffer even if the > CRC fails, so I can then average each bit of each byte in each > sector for all reads). `Valid' works at sector level, no knowledge > of file systems, so it can rescue/ manipulate BSD FS sectors on > floppy, tar images, DOS or Minix file systems etc. Sounds like the FreeBSD floppy driver needs to be modified to return the full buffer, even if there is a CRC error. This implies a descriptor being passed, so that the CRC and the data are seperate. You could probably just wadd an ioctl that expected the descriptor to be at the front of a data buffer, so that you passed the address of the descriptor + buffer, after the ioctl(). This seems a useful feature... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 19: 0:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NetScum.dyndns.dk (pop-mu-20-1-dialup-366.freesurf.ch [194.230.238.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F5537B416 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk (dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk [172.27.72.27] (may be forged)) by dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NetScum.dyndns.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g092QIF00212 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified FAIL) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:26:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk) Received: (from root@localhost) by beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g092QIN00211; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:26:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:26:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201090226.g092QIN00211@beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk> Subject: console becomes unusable after screensaver -- who is to blame? From: BOUWSMA Beery To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Organization: Men not wearing any pants that dont shave X-Hacked: via telnet to your port 25, what else? X-Internet-Access-Provided-By: TDC Suisse AG, Rumlang X-NetScum: Yes X-One-And-Only-Real-True-Fluffy: No Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [replies sent directly to me may timeout and bounce, since I'm not online as often as I should be, but I'll check the list archives] Howdy This is something that normally hasn't been a problem -- with a different video card, I've loaded the green saver, done all my work on the sc consoles, the saver's kicked in when I've failed at staying awake, the monitor has powered down, and then when I've rolled over onto the keyboard, the monitor comes back on and I can work, or fall back asleep, or whatever. However, after putting in this newer Eeevil Kyro video card (pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 I haven't been able to wake up the display after the saver has kicked in for a length of time. I'm able to manually invoke (shift-pause) the saver and soon after, return to normal. And I've never had any problems with the other video card I've normally used. I made the mistake of falling asleep while listening to an mp3, and I seem to remember that it didn't sound quite right as I slept. When I half-woke, I couldn't get the display to come back on by the keyboard, but the mp3 sounded a bit better (I think, I was mostly asleep and the `music' wasn't something I'd be able to identify as sounding abnormal without being familiar with it, which I wasn't). I then moved the mouse. Then the `music' sounded like the machine had wedged. The monitor didn't come back on. I didn't get any response from a serial port that I thought might have a getty (later I verified it should). So after a reboot, when I got into saver mode again but without any mp3 playing, again I couldn't get the keyboard to wake the monitor. However, this time, whacking the mouse returned the display to life and indeed the mouse cursor was hopping smoothly around. But still the keyboard, a generic IBM clickety-click PS/2 model, could not be used for anything. But what I did notice is that each time I hit a key, any mouse movement would freeze for a few seconds, before returning to normal. Dis- and reconnecting the keyboard (I'm not admitting to doing so) did no good. Usual numlock and scrolllock keys made no difference. Only the serial port could be used, though I could cut and paste from the mouse into the login prompt. Obviously this particular video card seems to disagree with something. But who really is to blame? I don't know enough to say * the video card is responsible for hosing the keyboard * there's some BIOS video power manglement option that I need to change * there's something in the green_saver module or FreeBSD itself I haven't taken the time to try the several BIOS choices to see if they make a difference. But if anyone has any ideas, I'm open to learning. I haven't tried the apm_saver at all. --- Actually, it seems that what is happening with this particular video card and the green saver, is identical to what happens on a different machine with a completely different card and BIOS, when I boot without a keyboard attached at time of the kernel probe, such as when I boot to log to a serial console, and then attach the keyboard later. I have but a single keyboard I must juggle around. So it doesn't seem that the video card is at fault itself. Weird. thanks, barry bouwsma To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 21:37:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from msslpop1.mssl.uswest.net (msslpop1.mssl.uswest.net [207.225.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B53AE37B41C for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15268 invoked by alias); 9 Jan 2002 05:37:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 15258 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jan 2002 05:37:34 -0000 Received: from msslapanas13poolb160.mssl.uswest.net (HELO casey.ccmt.net) (63.227.173.160) by msslpop1.mssl.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 05:37:34 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Casey T.Zednick Reply-To: casey@ccmt.net To: "Julian Stacey" Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:36:13 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de> In-Reply-To: <200201081700.g08H0wA47685@jhs.muc.de> Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010823361300.00562@casey.ccmt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 08 January 2002 10:00 am, Julian Stacey wrote: > Hi all, > Any reccomendations what to install (or avoid) on my firewall, > from 4.4 /usr/ports/ftp/ to be a proxy ftpd server ? > > My Background: > - I'm not looking for high performance, > (it's not a big company, just my home site with some internal hosts). > - I will have the usual security concerns with the imminent arrival > of a flat rate permanent DSL connection :-) > - /usr/libexec/ftpd does not (at least did not) support proxy requests. > - I have apache installed on my firewall & am using FTP_PROXY=http://gate > but often remote ports distfile ftpd hosts refuse to serve me, > perhaps because my apache is asking remote server on port 80, not ftp > port. > Give /usr/ports/www/squid a try, it can proxy HTTP and FTP. http://www.squid-cache.org/ Hope this helps, but if I where doing it I would use NAT and block any incoming from the outside. That way you can use other net apps too. -Casey Z -- This E-mail message was created with Open Source Software. Using: FreeBSD, http://www.freebsd.org KDE's KMail, http://www.kde.org Vist these sites and support O.S.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 22:50:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe34.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ABF37B41C; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:50:36 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [131.179.136.73] From: "Giovanni Pau" To: , , Subject: Very High Speed TCP Session ... How I can achieve ? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:50:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2002 06:50:36.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[F165F280:01C198D9] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like to have a very High Throughput TCP session Between two Free-BSD but I'm unable to get Socket buffer larger than 256 Kbytes. My test scenario is a bulk FTP in a (totally empty) test Pipe of 1 Gbit/s and 170 ms of delay so my pipe size over 2 Mbytes. Thanks for any suggestion or reference you can give. /Giovanni. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jan 8 23:57:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sirius.pc.cis.udel.edu (sirius.pc.cis.udel.edu [128.4.133.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECBC37B419; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.pc.cis.udel.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g097uGg24389; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:56:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jain@sirius.pc.cis.udel.edu) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Manish Jain To: Giovanni Pau Cc: , , Subject: Re: Very High Speed TCP Session ... How I can achieve ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020109022052.E22562-100000@sirius.pc.cis.udel.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello, I tried setting socket buffer to 300 k and and am able to do it. What error do you get when you try to set socket buffer larger than 256 k. What is the version of freebsd u r using ? manish http://www.cis.udel.edu/~jain On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Giovanni Pau wrote: > I would like to have a very High Throughput TCP session Between two Free-BSD > but I'm unable to get Socket buffer larger than 256 Kbytes. > > My test scenario is a bulk FTP in a (totally empty) test Pipe of > 1 Gbit/s and 170 ms of delay so my pipe size over 2 Mbytes. > > Thanks for any suggestion or reference you can give. > > /Giovanni. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 0: 3:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D52337B420; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0983aM52962; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:03:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:03:36 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: TD790@aol.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020109090336.C52675@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <175.1d34975.296ccb03@aol.com> <200201082243.g08Mhtl78482@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hYooF8G/hrfVAmum" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201082243.g08Mhtl78482@bmah.dyndns.org>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:43:55PM -0800 X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 02:43:55PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > ; I don't know which is more sad, the fact that I thought of doing this, > ; or the fact that I still remember how. > COUT EQU $FDED ; character output >=20 > REPLY LDX #0 > :1 LDA TEXT,X > BEQ :2 > JSR COUT > INX > BNE :1 ; blows up if string length > 255 > :2 RTS >=20 > TEXT BYT "No thanks, I've got a bunch from my Apple ][ days.", $0D, $00 That sure brings back memories... I'm not as old as most are around here I guess, but this rings a bell. /me goes off to hunt back his Apple ][ w/ 48k mem, applesoft & 2(!) floppy drives :) --Stijn --=20 I really hate this damned machine I wish that they would sell it. It never does quite what I want But only what I tell it. --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O/lYY3r/tLQmfWcRAg4iAJ4rLC0x6Q5RlXmGvY7s+UICqehsowCggFRL PtYKdz8q0DVqk5jXLS++EwA= =qN8m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hYooF8G/hrfVAmum-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 2:43:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wells.tecc.co.uk (wells.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D8D37B404 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from leven (leven.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.153]) by wells.tecc.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07508; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:43:05 GMT From: "Andy" To: "Wilko Bulte" Cc: Subject: RE: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:43:05 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020109002201.A17998@freebie.xs4all.nl> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Instead of a heat gun I saw some adventurous people use an > acetylene torch. Now that works quick ;-) Lol, not "too" long ago I designed a PCI add in card for an imaging company. It had quite a few DSPs and FPGAs on one side. I had no room on the top side for the Vram chips so I mounted them on the reverse side. Oh how I laughed when I watched the first two prototypes come outa the machine with the 32 previously mounted Vram chips burnt to the conveyor belt having fallen off on the second pass! Ak To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 3:22:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7AA37B405 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OGo0-000FGj-0W; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:22:04 +0000 Received: from herring (herring [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g09BKm903096; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:20:48 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:20:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <200201081932.g08JWNF60649@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : > :That brings back memories. We wrote our own firmware for the 1541 since > :the commodore DOS was so slow. I forget what transfer rate we managed but > :it was much better than the standard code. Bit of a sod to debug though. > : > :-- > :Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > : Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 > > Yup. Remember Bryce's 1541 Flash? He was working on beefing up > the C64 serial link while I was working on beefing up the PET's > (software driven) IEEE-488 link. We both managed to increase disk > bandwidth by an order of magnitude, mainly by synchronizing the > computer's 6502 with the peripheral's 65xx and then just stuffing > data into the ports without bothering with any handshakes until the > very end. That old usenet posting I posted has some references to it. I wasn't really into the C64 scene (it cost significant money just to get Usenet access in the UK in those days). I was working on a C64 game at the time and I remember spending many unhappy hours trying to fix some problems with the drive firmware. That was a pretty cool project actually. The game was a text adventure originally written in 68k assembler and we wrote a 68k emulator and VM system which paged the game's 128k address space from the floppy into the C64's teaspoonful of memory. All the development was done on a Microvax running 4.2BSD. The vax generated C64 disk images which we downloaded via the C64's serial port. Those were the days . -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 4:41:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from relay.office.bezpeka.net (gw.office.bezpeka.net [193.108.112.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59EF37B41A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from vatchenko.office.annaltd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.office.bezpeka.net (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g09Cclkk001957 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:38:47 +0200 (EET) Received: (from admin@localhost) by vatchenko.office.annaltd.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g09CclFV001956 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:38:47 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:38:47 +0200 From: apache@ukr.net To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sound files Message-ID: <20020109143847.A1743@unixbox.office.annaltd.com> References: <001101c197f6$9bd45f20$8f5a8c3d@ss3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001101c197f6$9bd45f20$8f5a8c3d@ss3>; from matthew@netsol.net on Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:43:15PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG pkg_add wavplay.tgz It has wavrec utility to record sound from /dev/dspX. -- e-mail: apache@ukr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 5:17:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.cc (gw.nectar.cc [208.42.49.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70E837B41F for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from madman.nectar.cc (madman.nectar.cc [10.0.1.111]) by gw.nectar.cc (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D1F2D for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:17:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nectar@localhost) by madman.nectar.cc (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g09DHq617345 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:17:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nectar) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:17:52 -0600 From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/termcap termcap.src Message-ID: <20020109131752.GB17306@madman.nectar.cc> Mail-Followup-To: "Jacques A. Vidrine" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200201091313.g09DDpw75388@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201091313.g09DDpw75388@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Url: http://www.nectar.cc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrey also said: > Maybe you have to add AX too, if 39m & 49m can be issued separately. I can't tell whether rxvt supports this (AX) capability. Can someone suggest a test? Cheers, -- Jacques A. Vidrine http://www.nectar.cc/ NTT/Verio SME . FreeBSD UNIX . Heimdal Kerberos jvidrine@verio.net . nectar@FreeBSD.org . nectar@kth.se On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:13:51AM -0800, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > nectar 2002/01/09 05:13:51 PST > > Modified files: > share/termcap termcap.src > Log: > Fix the rxvt termcap entry: > = Get the alternate character set capabilities right. > = Enable color support for `rxvt'. > = Add `rxvt-mono' for no color support. > > Approved by: ache > > Revision Changes Path > 1.116 +6 -2 src/share/termcap/termcap.src To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 6:38:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A2637B420 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (swordfish.energyhq.org [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E07924197 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:38:15 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Miguel Mendez Organization: Energy HQ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Electric fence usage Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:38:01 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020109143815.2E07924197@energyhq.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've installed the electric fence port and it says that to use it you just -lefence, but it seems to me that this does nothing at all, at least for the little test programs that I've written. Is something else needed on FreeBSD to use it? Thanks in advance, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 6:51:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C9837B41C for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from TD790@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id d.41.1675ef78 (4332); Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: TD790@aol.com Message-ID: <41.1675ef78.296db2dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:51:09 EST Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message dated 1/8/02 12:18:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, tlambert2@mindspring.com writes: > > Think they have the code to the C64 "supermon" assembler? I spend 3 > evenings > > poking it in from Compute! and now I can't find the cassette anywhere. > > I have that somewhere. I also have the "Compute!" with it in > it. 8-). If you want to download it, you can get it from > here: > > http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/programs/supermon.s > > I also have "Aztec C" for the C64. I'd give you a copy, but > that would violate the license, since mine's paid for... 8^p. > I had Turbo Pascal with the CP/M cartridge... Uh oh. I just realized that THIS thread will be in google for the next 20 years. and we sound like a bunch of geeks.... good thing Im on an alias! DB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 7:48:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from parhelion.firedrake.org (parhelion.firedrake.org [212.135.138.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2291B37B404 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from float by parhelion.firedrake.org with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16OKy8-0005rV-00; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:48:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:48:48 +0000 To: TD790@aol.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! Message-ID: <20020109154848.GA21811@parhelion.firedrake.org> Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: TD790@aol.com, hackers@freebsd.org References: <41.1675ef78.296db2dd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41.1675ef78.296db2dd@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i From: void Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:51:09AM -0500, TD790@aol.com wrote: > > Uh oh. I just realized that THIS thread will be in google for the next 20 > years. and we sound like a bunch of geeks.... good thing Im on an alias! Right, and we know from experience how difficult it is to figure out that you're dennis@etinc.com. ;-) -- Ben "An art scene of delight I created this to be ..." -- Sun Ra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 8:27:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mailgateb.anheuser-busch.com (mailgateb.anheuser-busch.com [151.145.232.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90BD37B417 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailgateb.anheuser-busch.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g09GRDD12708 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:27:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from stlexgvir004.anheuser-busch.com(10.33.24.97) by mailgateb.anheuser-busch.com via csmap (2.0) id srcAAATtaq0y; Wed, 9 Jan 02 10:27:13 -0600 Received: from STLEXGVIR004.abc.corp.anheuser-busch.com ([10.33.24.97]) by stlexgvir004.abc.corp.anheuser-busch.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CKDPXY0B; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:23:47 -0600 Received: from stlexgims003.anheuser-busch.com ([10.33.24.70]) by STLEXGVIR004.abc.corp.anheuser-busch.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 82) with SMTP id M2002010910234616273 ; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:23:46 -0600 Received: by STLEXGIMS003 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:23:47 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Alton, Matthew" To: "'Miguel Mendez'" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Electric fence usage Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As long as your program isn't overstepping memory boundaries nothing should happen. What were you expecting? -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Mendez [mailto:flynn@energyhq.homeip.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:38 AM To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Electric fence usage Hi, I've installed the electric fence port and it says that to use it you just -lefence, but it seems to me that this does nothing at all, at least for the little test programs that I've written. Is something else needed on FreeBSD to use it? Thanks in advance, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 9: 6:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A6637B421 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (swordfish.energyhq.org [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 793F024197; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:06:48 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Miguel Mendez Organization: Energy HQ To: "Alton, Matthew" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Electric fence usage Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:06:35 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020109170648.793F024197@energyhq.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday 09 January 2002 17:26, Alton, Matthew wrote: > As long as your program isn't overstepping memory boundaries nothing should > happen. > What were you expecting? My bad, I must have been really tired when I wrote the test code, it's now working, thanks :) -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 10:21:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.yahoo.com (lsanca1-ar6-198-190.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.198.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA4AA37B445 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:20:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <104502002139144050223@bsd-global> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 18 X-EM-Registration: #01B0530810E603002D00 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: harrgor@yahoo.co.uk X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From: "Garry" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: email Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:40:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG email =E1=E0=E7=FB =EC=EE=F1=EA=E2=FB, =EF=E8=F2=E5=F0=E0, =F0=EE=F1=F1=E8= =E8 =E8 =EF=F0=2E =F0=E0=F1=F1=FB=EB=EA=E0 email =F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=E9= =2E=20 =F7=F2=EE =E1=FB =F3=E7=ED=E0=F2=FC =EF=EE=E4=F0=EE=E1=ED=E5=E5, =ED=E0=EF= =E8=F8=E8=F2=E5 =EF=E8=F1=FC=EC=EE =ED=E0 harrgor@yahoo=2Eco=2Euk , =F3=EA= =E0=E7=E0=E2 =E2 =F2=E5=EC=E5 =C7=C0=CF=D0=CE=D1=20 (=F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=FF =E1=E5=E7 =F1=EB=EE=E2=E0 =C7=C0=CF=D0=CE=D1 = - =E0=E2=F2=EE=EC=E0=F2=E8=F7=E5=F1=EA=E8 =F3=E4=E0=EB=FF=FE=F2=F1=FF) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 12:16: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from saruman.xwin.net (saruman.xwin.net [205.219.158.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D877537B405 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dp@localhost) by saruman.xwin.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g09KGfm03718 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:16:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:16:41 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Halliday X-X-Sender: To: Subject: burning a system. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I am doing a little project on an old laptop I have. What I am trying to do is generate as much heat as possible inside the unit. Can anyone suggest some things that I can run that will max out the cpu, bus, and keep the hd busy for ~20min? I tried looking in benchmarks but none of those programs seem to do exaclty what I need. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Paul H. "Don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" ___________________ http://dp.penix.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 12:53:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx.wgate.com (mail.wgate.com [66.150.46.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AF4F37B41B for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:53:07 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: From MAIL.TVOL.NET (10.1.1.4[10.1.1.4 port:3941]) by mx.wgate.comMail essentials (server 2.429) with SMTP id: <5500@mx.wgate.com>transfer for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 3:48:42 PM -0500 ;transfer smtpmailfrom X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: rjesup@wgate.com X-MESINK_MailFor: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from jesup.eng.tvol.net ([10.32.2.26]) by mail.tvol.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id C2H3VJJW; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:50:42 -0500 Reply-To: Randell Jesup Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! From: Randell Jesup Date: 09 Jan 2002 15:52:16 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii x-receiver: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG x-sender: rjesup@wgate.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7db8e1f4031d6407d2@[192.168.1.4]> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nils Holland writes: >A few years ago I tried hard to get a look at a real C65, you know, these >things that Commodore never really finsished, but which showed up in a few= >units after Commodore went bankrupt. However, I have never been able to >pick up or only look at such a machine. Since only very few of them are >available (and they are all very buggy), they are traded at very *high* >prices between CBM fans... Really..... I have a few of them in my basement. Along with various other beta and never-produced hardware, including a fabled AAA Amiga chip (Mary) (no board, though), and evil things like Plus-4's and C-1= 6's. Lots of interesting stuff came out of the C64, including PlayNet, which was renamed Quantumlink and then ported to the PC as AmericaOnline. The frightening thing is that AOL still uses the old C64 windowed error-correction protocol I designed to correct bit errors in the modem traffic _when connecting to AOL over TCP/IP_. I was shocked. (article about this somewhere on slashdot recently). (my apologies for the off-topic-ness of this whole thread) -- Randell Jesup, Worldgate Communications, ex-Scala, ex-Amiga OS team, ex-Pla= yNet rjesup@wgate.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safet= y deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 12:58:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA6A37B419 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tamama (loonei.xs4all.nl [213.84.116.228]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id g09Kw3TF000716 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:58:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00fb01c19950$86461da0$9600000a@tamama> From: "Floris 'Tamama' van Gog" To: Subject: gcc 3.0.1 compile on ALPHA Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I tried to install gcc 3.0.1 from the ports, but..... stage1/xgcc -Bstage1/ -B/usr/local/alpha-portbld-freebsd4.4/bin/ -c -DI N_GCC -g -O2 -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-p rototypes -Wtraditional -pedantic -Wno-long-long -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/. -I.././..//gcc- 3.0.1/gcc/config -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/../include .././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/reload.c -o reload.o cc1: warning: *** *** The -O2 flag TRIGGERS KNOWN OPTIMIZER BUGS ON THIS PLATFORM *** This is on all files. It is known that -O2 generates bad code on an Alpha.. so... why is it compiling gcc with it? Sounds bad... Any insight is appreciated. Floris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 13: 6:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from artemis.drwilco.net (artemis.drwilco.net [209.167.6.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D0637B43E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ceres.drwilco.net (docwilco.xs4all.nl [213.84.68.230]) by artemis.drwilco.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g09L6KR53940 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO); Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:06:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from drwilco@drwilco.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020109221238.00b3f0e8@mail.drwilco.net> X-Sender: lists@mail.drwilco.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:15:20 +0100 To: "Giovanni Pau" From: "Rogier R. Mulhuijzen" Subject: Re: Very High Speed TCP Session ... How I can achieve ? Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 22:50 8-1-2002 -0800, you wrote: >I would like to have a very High Throughput TCP session Between two Free-BSD >but I'm unable to get Socket buffer larger than 256 Kbytes. > >My test scenario is a bulk FTP in a (totally empty) test Pipe of >1 Gbit/s and 170 ms of delay so my pipe size over 2 Mbytes. > >Thanks for any suggestion or reference you can give. I recall a thread on freebsd-net@freebsd.org about testing of very high speeds over WAN. I recall it being quite extensive. I suggest you browse the archives for it. Try searching for "internet2", since I recall that being mentioned in the thread. I don't recall using the word recall so often in so small a space. DocWilco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 13:14:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx.wgate.com (mail.wgate.com [66.150.46.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB82737B404 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: From MAIL.TVOL.NET (10.1.1.4[10.1.1.4 port:1506]) by mx.wgate.comMail essentials (server 2.429) with SMTP id: <5582@mx.wgate.com>transfer for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 4:09:15 PM -0500 ;transfer smtpmailfrom X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: rjesup@wgate.com X-MESINK_MailFor: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from jesup.eng.tvol.net ([10.32.2.26]) by mail.tvol.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id C2H3VJQX; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:11:15 -0500 Reply-To: Randell Jesup Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... From: Randell Jesup Date: 09 Jan 2002 16:12:49 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii x-receiver: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG x-sender: rjesup@wgate.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7dcbb25c031dc107d2@[192.168.1.4]> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: >Julian Stacey wrote: >> Doubtless some will have bad sectors by now. Here's a rescue tool: >> http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/valid/valid.c & v= alid.1 >> >> `Valid' runs on FreeBSD, but only rescues when running on MSDOS ! >> (because read() on DOS3.2 returns the intact buffer even if the >> CRC fails, so I can then average each bit of each byte in each >> sector for all reads). `Valid' works at sector level, no knowledge >> of file systems, so it can rescue/ manipulate BSD FS sectors on >> floppy, tar images, DOS or Minix file systems etc. > >Sounds like the FreeBSD floppy driver needs to be modified to >return the full buffer, even if there is a CRC error. > >This implies a descriptor being passed, so that the CRC and >the data are seperate. > >You could probably just wadd an ioctl that expected the >descriptor to be at the front of a data buffer, so that >you passed the address of the descriptor + buffer, after >the ioctl(). > >This seems a useful feature... Yes (if anyone still cares about floppies). The old Amiga trackdisk (floppy driver) could do that, since all the decoding was in software (and via the graphics bitblitter(!)). Do the integrated disk controllers in PC's (still) allow direct raw bit access, or only after MFM decoding? Also, I seem to remember PC's can't recover from bad sector ID's= . If I remember correctly, you can read uncorrected sectors off of ATA (maybe) and SCSI (I think), at least using CAM. Quite honestly, I can see some use for this in HD's; I don't see much use for it in floppies, except maybe for HD-less servers like gnat box= es. -- Randell Jesup, Worldgate Communications, ex-Scala, ex-Amiga OS team rjesup@wgate.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safet= y deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 14:15:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C337B400 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g09MFnn15086; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:15:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:15:49 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201092215.g09MFnn15086@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Randell Jesup Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Randell Jesup Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... In-Reply-To: <7dcbb25c031dc107d2@[192.168.1.4]> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.4-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Randell Jesup wrote: > Yes (if anyone still cares about floppies). The old Amiga > trackdisk (floppy driver) could do that, since all the decoding was in > software (and via the graphics bitblitter(!)). Do the integrated disk > controllers in PC's (still) allow direct raw bit access, or only after MFM > decoding? No, it can't. The FDC in a PC (a NEC µPD765 or a clone of it, nowadays usually embeded within a multi-I/O-controller or the mainboard chipset) is severely limited in what it can do. Basically, it can only read MFM-encoded sectors of several fixed sizes, with a fixed header. You can neither read Amiga floppies nor C64 floppies with a standard PC FDC. I think you can't even read the actual value of the CRC, if I remember correctly. You only get to know whether the check failed. I once wrote a (fairly popular) floppy disk copy program for DOS in assembler, which worked by directly accessing the FDC (no BIOS calls involved). I think I still have the original NEC docs somewhere in a box in the basement. By the way, it's the same FDC that was used in the Schneider CPC 464 back in th 80s, with its 3" (yes 3", not 3.5") floppy drive. In contrast, the FDC of the Amiga was like heaven. You can read the floppies at bitlevel with that beast. The actual data encoding (MFM or GCR) was done by a coprozessor. That's why you can read PC-formatted floppies with the Amiga, but not vice versa. I think that the native Amiga floppies use MFM2 encoding. C64 floppies use GCR encoding. There's no chance to read them with a standard PC floppy disk controller. > Also, I seem to remember PC's can't recover from bad sector ID's. That's true. Basically, when you read a sector from a floppy on the PC, you tell the FDC exactly what sector you expect (sector, track, head, size, and strange things such as a "deleted" flag). If the controller does not find a sector with exatly those contents in the header on the current track, it just fails. That opened possibilities for several sick copy protection mechanisms. I've seen commercial floppies that had a 81st track (floppy drives can read up to two tracks beyond the official limit, some even more), and all sectors on that track marked as being track 99. Standard copy programs just couldn't copy that track -- even if they looked for an 81st track, they couldn't find any sectors, so assumed that the track wasn't formatted. However, there was a copy program (no, not mine) which was able to handle that stuff, but extremely slowly. It used another trick of the PC FDC: The µPD765 a command to look for the next track and return its location data. So you can just look what is there, then read it. And copy it. There were other, even more sick copyright mechanisms, though, which were impossible to copy (such as changing of the bitrate within a track etc.). That stuff wasn't very common, fortunately. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 16:20:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FB837B41C; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from TD790@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id n.17f.1dacc34 (16782); Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: TD790@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.1dacc34.296e3849@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:20:25 EST Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message dated 01/09/2002 10:49:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, float@firedrake.org writes: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:51:09AM -0500, TD790@aol.com wrote: > > > > Uh oh. 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Hot Male Celebs EXPOSED!!! http://www.xpays.com/clients/08862/gay/promo.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 16:41: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-107-4.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B54437B41B for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D76866D47; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:41:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:41:02 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Floris 'Tamama' van Gog Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc 3.0.1 compile on ALPHA Message-ID: <20020109164102.A89256@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <00fb01c19950$86461da0$9600000a@tamama> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00fb01c19950$86461da0$9600000a@tamama>; from floris@vangog.net on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:59:26PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:59:26PM +0100, Floris 'Tamama' van Gog wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I tried to install gcc 3.0.1 from the ports, but..... >=20 > stage1/xgcc -Bstage1/ -B/usr/local/alpha-portbld-freebsd4.4/bin/ -c -DI > N_GCC -g -O2 -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-p > rototypes -Wtraditional -pedantic -Wno-long-long -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. > -I. -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/. -I.././..//gcc- > 3.0.1/gcc/config -I.././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/../include > .././..//gcc-3.0.1/gcc/reload.c -o reload.o > cc1: warning: > *** > *** The -O2 flag TRIGGERS KNOWN OPTIMIZER BUGS ON THIS PLATFORM > *** >=20 > This is on all files. It is known that -O2 generates bad code on an > Alpha.. so... why is it compiling gcc with it? Sounds bad... Blame the gcc people. Kris --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8POMdWry0BWjoQKURApRdAKC57yCuSuiB3Lurdi1VW9cGhzPSPwCeOWD2 NvDPAkJSS2G7bF8BC599oVw= =Kpbl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 9 18:10:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4CA37B402 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from chowder.localdomain (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0A2AiZ35378 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:40:45 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:40:44 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Port hooks for kernel (and world?) builds Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are a reasonable number of ports which build KLD's and it would be nice if they could somehow hook into the kernel build process so that they remain updated when a new kernel is built (or the source is updated). Is there anyway that this can be done currently? If not is anyone working on it? :) I am thinking a smallish modification to /usr/src/sys/modules/Makefile would work.. Or is it more complex than that? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 0:18:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bugz.infotecs.ru (bugz.infotecs.ru [195.210.139.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16E137B400 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by bugz.infotecs.ru (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0A8IAY96391; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:18:10 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vel) From: "Eugene L. Vorokov" Message-Id: <200201100818.g0A8IAY96391@bugz.infotecs.ru> Subject: Re: email To: harrgor@yahoo.co.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:18:10 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Garry" at Jan 09, 2002 05:40:50 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=DISPLAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > email áàçû ìîñêâû, ïèòåðà, ðîññèè è ïð. ðàññûëêà email ñîîáùåíèé. > ÷òî áû óçíàòü ïîäðîáíåå, íàïèøèòå ïèñüìî íà harrgor@yahoo.co.uk , óêàçàâ â òåìå ÇÀÏÐÎÑ > (ñîîáùåíèÿ áåç ñëîâà ÇÀÏÐÎÑ - àâòîìàòè÷åñêè óäàëÿþòñÿ) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Can someone filter this spammer please ? It's email in russian encouraging you to buy some databases of russian companies' email addresses and such. Regards, Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 3:36:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mustard.heime.net (mustard.heime.net [194.234.65.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8C937B416 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (roy@localhost) by mustard.heime.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g0ABaJ821819 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:36:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:36:19 +0100 (CET) From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk X-Sender: To: Subject: Increasing IDE file_readahead? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi all Is it possible in FreeBSD, as it is in Linux, to increase the readahead from IDE drives? Please cc: to me, as I'm not on the list thanks roy -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk, MCSE, MCNE, CLS, LCA Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working when you open Windows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 7:34:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bugz.infotecs.ru (bugz.infotecs.ru [195.210.139.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526A237B41D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by bugz.infotecs.ru (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0AFYHU99684; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:17 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from vel) From: "Eugene L. Vorokov" Message-Id: <200201101534.g0AFYHU99684@bugz.infotecs.ru> Subject: Re: kld question To: coolvibe@hackerheaven.org (Emiel Kollof) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:16 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020110150538.GA26886@laptop.hackerheaven.org> from "Emiel Kollof" at Jan 10, 2002 04:05:38 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I made a kernel module that logs execve system calls by intercepting the > execve syscall, log it and then execute the original syscall. This was > pretty straightforward to do, and it works beautifully on STABLE, but on > CURRENT it bombs on this line: > > uid = p->p_cred->pc_ucred->cr_uid; > > So, my question: how does one obtain the UID from the proc struct in > CURRENT? Preferably in a way that will both work on CURRENT and STABLE. > Before KSE changes went in, it was p->p_ucred->cr_uid, that's what I use in very similar module with kernel from about August 2001. Now it's probably changed again, but I don't cvsup for now, so I don't know exactly. Regards, Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 7:52:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2116337B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [62.49.229.110] (helo=gw1.techiebod.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OhV3-0003Yj-0A for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:17 +0000 Received: by gw1.techiebod.com (zmail, from userid 1000) id 394951931C; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.techiebod.com (zmail) with ESMTP id 35C7836400 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Henry Whincup To: "hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Hacking dump problems Message-ID: <20020110153327.X60043-300000@gw1.techiebod.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; boundary="0-1548065457-1010676893=:60043" Content-ID: <20020110153458.N60043@gw1.techiebod.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1548065457-1010676893=:60043 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-ID: <20020110153458.O60043@gw1.techiebod.com> I am trying to extend dump to allow a script to be run in order to use an autoloader. The hack^H^H^H^Hdiff is in it's early stages but I feel like I have done enough to make the basic functionality work ;) Diff against RELENG_4 and the script is attached. Basically the idea was to replace the query() calls with calls to a script if a flag (-l) is passed to dump. When I try this without the (-a) append option all works as expected. When dump feels it has got to the end of the tape it calls my script and this successfully changes the tape (verified by looking at the LCD display and using chio stat). However when the (-a) append option is passed the first tape is loaded (assuming no tape in the drive) and written to till the end, the script is then called and successfully changes the tape, however when dump tries to write to the new tape I get the error: DUMP: End of tape detected When I do an mt stat I noticed that the fsf goes up by one for each tape (seems sensible) but other than that I see no other problems. I have added an mt rew and mt stat to the script but see no difference and no new clues. Am I being terminally dull? ;) Can someone with more of a clue about tapes/dump/scsi help? Can I provide more info? Henry PS: Yes I know that the script keeping state is stupid I will fix this once I have fixed the current more blatant issue! PPS: Is anyone else interested in adding per file software compression capability to dump? 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-0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194925.19782.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: help wanted with gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 11:49:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EBD837B41B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194925.19782.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: help wanted with gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 11:49:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FD0A37B41D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194925.19782.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:25 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: help wanted with gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 11:50:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFB1D37B41C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194950.19836.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: developers always wanted , join up : gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 11:50:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B958837B41B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194950.19836.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: developers always wanted , join up : gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 11:51:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14408.mail.yahoo.com (web14408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C05DE37B41E for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020110194950.19836.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.41] by web14408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: developers always wanted , join up : gopenports project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hi, > > if anyone is interested in writing a GTK application > to administer and > manage packages and ports in freeBSD, please visit > http://gopenports.sourceforge.net/. > > The project has only been started and we need all > the > help we can get. > It does'nt matter who or what your skill level is, > though C > programming and FreeeBSD experiance will come in > handy. > > we need: > * gtk+ developers > * libxml developers > * a site admin/maintainer ( preferably one of the > developers ) > * pkg_installer/BSD coder > > Its a good chance to get your hands dirty, learn > some > GTK, libxml,bsd > & unix programming and a have a good time and > probably > make some > friends. > > to join , go to the website http://www.sourceforge.net/ > and sign up as a new user ( u need SSL in your > browser > ) > > and i will send you a user name and password for the > phpnuked project > site. > ( or you might wanna sign up for both) > > Currently i am a single father, err .. i mean > single > developer and > would like all the help and support i can get. > > and if you can mail me at the below address that > will > be great as > well. > > if you have any questions or suggestions , please > mail > brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk > > thanks and talk to ya soon > > brijesh krishnan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 12:22: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBDF37B402 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-141.wobline.de [212.68.69.149]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id g0AKLtC28250 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:21:55 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0AKMwX56740 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:22:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0AKMEL59779 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:22:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:22:11 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Two devices, one Interrupt Message-ID: <20020110212211.A59757@tisys.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD jodie.ncptiddische.net 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 9:12PM up 3:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.03, 0.06, 0.31 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I already posted a similar question to -hardware yesterday but received no answer, so I'm trying again on this list. If you look at the below excerpt of my dmesg.boot, you will see that my soundcard and Brooktree / WinTV card share one IRQ: pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe003,0xdc00-0xdcff irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 bktr0: mem 0xdc000000-0xdc000fff irq 5 at device 15.0 on pci0 As far as I have read, this is something that PCI devices can do. However, I've been wondering if there was any advantage of manually assigning a signle interrupt to both of these devices. As far as I have read (but I'm no expert, so I might be wrong), when two PCI devices share the same IRQ and the IRQ gets triggered, the IRQ handler for both devices is called. I've been wondering if this may have some performance implications or some other side effects, although I have seen none (i.e. nothing seems to change if I assign distinctive interrupts to the devices). The only thing I noticed is that if I run "systat -vm 1" while both devices share IRQ 5, I do only get one device entry for IRQ 5, labelled "mux", obviously named after the soundcard. This "mux" entry now seems to count both the interrupts for the sound card and the WinTV board. If, however, both cards use their own interrupts, systat shows two seperate entries, one labelled "mux" and only counting soundcard interrupts, and the other called "bktr0", only counting the interrupts for the WinTV board. That's however the only difference I've seen when comparing the cards with a shared interrupt vs. non-sharred interrupts, but I still wonder if there's any technical reason why it would be beneficial to give both cards their own interrupts, or if I just don't need to care. Any hints are welcome! Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 12:26:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B3F37B402 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0AKQH713398 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:17 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020110202617.GA13083@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a few machines configured for serial consoles (my first), and have found an oddity. Basically I did the "-P" boot.config thing, and the 'set console=comconsole' in loader.rc. This works fine. I then run a getty on the 'console' in ttys. When connected to a Cisco terminal server, all works well. I telnet to the port, get the serial console, can log in. Most importantly for the problem below when I log out the terminal server automatically drops the telnet connection. I believe this is due to DTR going down after the shell exits, but I'm not positive so it may be some other control signal. Anyway, to the problem. This creates two issues, one I can live with, one I want to fix. 1) If the machine is off, you can't open a telnet connection (no DTR high, I believe). So, when someone first turns it on you have to log in quickly, and miss the first few lines of boot. I can live with this. 2) Once you get in while it's booting, you can watch the boot message. However, when the kernel messages are done and the scripts start (eg, the change from bold to regular on a normal CRT) the connection is closed. It looks like init starting resets the serial port in a way that makes it die again. This is what I would like to fix. As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go into single user mode, since you don't get to select that earlier with a serial console. Have others noticed this behavior? Does anyone know a way to work around it? Does some init genuis know why this happens? -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 12:41:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC6937B400 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id 4695D10DDF8; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:41:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:41:45 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Leo Bicknell Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020110124145.J7984@elvis.mu.org> References: <20020110202617.GA13083@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020110202617.GA13083@ussenterprise.ufp.org>; from bicknell@ufp.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:26:17PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Leo Bicknell [020110 12:26] wrote: > > I have a few machines configured for serial consoles (my first), > and have found an oddity. > > Basically I did the "-P" boot.config thing, and the 'set > console=comconsole' in loader.rc. This works fine. I then run a > getty on the 'console' in ttys. When connected to a Cisco terminal > server, all works well. I telnet to the port, get the serial > console, can log in. Most importantly for the problem below when > I log out the terminal server automatically drops the telnet > connection. I believe this is due to DTR going down after the > shell exits, but I'm not positive so it may be some other control > signal. Hmm, you should be able to get your software to ignore hangups. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 12:48:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7106D37B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5746 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jan 2002 20:48:22 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020110202617.GA13083@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Leo Bicknell Subject: RE: serial console + boot blip Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > > I have a few machines configured for serial consoles (my first), > and have found an oddity. > > Basically I did the "-P" boot.config thing, and the 'set > console=comconsole' in loader.rc. This works fine. I then run a > getty on the 'console' in ttys. When connected to a Cisco terminal > server, all works well. I telnet to the port, get the serial > console, can log in. Most importantly for the problem below when > I log out the terminal server automatically drops the telnet > connection. I believe this is due to DTR going down after the > shell exits, but I'm not positive so it may be some other control > signal. If you use -P, you shouldn't need 'set console=comconsole'. Also, if you always want a serial console, use -h instead of -P in boot.config. > As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt > at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go > into single user mode, since you don't get to select that earlier > with a serial console. Sure you can. Interrupt the loader and do 'boot -s' just like you would on a video console. > Have others noticed this behavior? Does anyone know a way to > work around it? Does some init genuis know why this happens? I have not had this behavior before, but as Alfred mentioned, I do use nohup on my terminals. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 12:59: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D80E37B422; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0AKwon14119; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:58:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:58:50 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020110205850.GA14046@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <20020110202617.GA13083@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:47:44PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt > > at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go > > into single user mode, since you don't get to select that earlier > > with a serial console. > > Sure you can. Interrupt the loader and do 'boot -s' just like you would on a > video console. Ok, maybe I'm just not getting in soon enough to see that then, due to it not letting me in until DTR is high. > > Have others noticed this behavior? Does anyone know a way to > > work around it? Does some init genuis know why this happens? > > I have not had this behavior before, but as Alfred mentioned, I do use nohup on > my terminals. Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on the switch from kernel mode to {single,multi}-user mode. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 13:16:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E41237B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ALG1D26604; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: developers always wanted , join up : gopenports project In-Reply-To: Message from =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= of "Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:49:50 GMT." <20020110194950.19836.qmail@web14408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:16:01 -0800 Message-ID: <26600.1010697361@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is ridiculous. Why the hell you felt compelled to fill my mailbox with *nine* copies of this message is beyond me, and spamming in the name of project evangelism is hardly getting things off on the right foot! You've certainly left me without any desire to contribute to or even endorse this project and I seriously doubt I'm the only person who feels this way. You owe this group an apology, I think. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 13:29: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750437B41A; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0ALQeA55983; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:26:40 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201102126.g0ALQeA55983@jhs.muc.de> To: Terry Lambert Cc: Nils Holland , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, joerg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:32:38 PST." <3C3B9DB6.36D9697E@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:26:40 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > Julian Stacey wrote: > > Doubtless some will have bad sectors by now. Here's a rescue tool: > > http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/valid/valid.c & vali > d.1 > > > > `Valid' runs on FreeBSD, but only rescues when running on MSDOS ! > > (because read() on DOS3.2 returns the intact buffer even if the > > CRC fails, so I can then average each bit of each byte in each > > sector for all reads). `Valid' works at sector level, no knowledge > > of file systems, so it can rescue/ manipulate BSD FS sectors on > > floppy, tar images, DOS or Minix file systems etc. > > Sounds like the FreeBSD floppy driver needs to be modified to > return the full buffer, even if there is a CRC error. Would be nice, Joerg W. (cc'd) looked in that direction somewhat I recall, I can't remember how far he got, I do recall some patches I didnt get to try, can't remember quite what for, Joerg, can you recall ? Anyway, if anyone does offer such a read(), I'll add it to valid(). It'd be good PR to have FreeBSD able to rescue floppies, the word would go round inside companies, & occasional colleagues would happily be told for a few minutes just how nice BSD is, while they listened to the drive progressing rescuing their data, (& making more noise & screen output on dodgy sectors). > This implies a descriptor being passed, so that the CRC and > the data are seperate. > > You could probably just wadd an ioctl that expected the > descriptor to be at the front of a data buffer, so that > you passed the address of the descriptor + buffer, after > the ioctl(). > > This seems a useful feature... > > -- Terry > Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 13:33:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx.wgate.com (mail.wgate.com [66.150.46.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BE9837B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:33:08 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: olli@secnetix.de Received: From MAIL.TVOL.NET (10.1.1.4[10.1.1.4 port:3807]) by mx.wgate.comMail essentials (server 2.429) with SMTP id: <14361@mx.wgate.com>transfer for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 4:28:39 PM -0500 ;transfer smtpmailfrom X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: rjesup@wgate.com X-MESINK_MailFor: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from jesup.eng.tvol.net ([10.32.2.26]) by mail.tvol.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id C2H3V7Z8; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:30:41 -0500 Reply-To: Randell Jesup Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... References: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> From: Randell Jesup Date: 10 Jan 2002 16:32:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit x-receiver: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG x-sender: rjesup@wgate.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oliver Fromme writes: >Randell Jesup wrote: > > Yes (if anyone still cares about floppies). The old Amiga > > trackdisk (floppy driver) could do that, since all the decoding was in > > software (and via the graphics bitblitter(!)). Do the integrated disk > > controllers in PC's (still) allow direct raw bit access, or only after MFM > > decoding? > >No, it can't. The FDC in a PC (a NEC µPD765 or a clone of >it, nowadays usually embeded within a multi-I/O-controller >or the mainboard chipset) is severely limited in what it >can do. Basically, it can only read MFM-encoded sectors of >several fixed sizes, with a fixed header. Sounds like what I remember; you tell it to find a sector (sectors?) with this header, and it returns it to you. No control over the inter-sector gap, mark, or header directly. It's amazing how codified the OLD PC hardware spec has become, including all the quirks and stupidities. >In contrast, the FDC of the Amiga was like heaven. You can >read the floppies at bitlevel with that beast. The actual >data encoding (MFM or GCR) was done by a coprozessor. >That's why you can read PC-formatted floppies with the >Amiga, but not vice versa. I think that the native Amiga >floppies use MFM2 encoding. Amiga native uses MFM, but because there are no inter-sector gaps (just marks), it packs more onto a track (880K/disk to 720K with normal PC formatting) - 11 sectors instead of 9. You could also use them for GCR or RLL but then decoding had to be entirely in software. MFM could be done by a few passes of the graphics bit-blitter. (I did a major rewrite of the Amiga trackdisk at Commodore to improve bad-sector recovery and speed.) If you could guarantee that drives were close to spec (not the 5%(?) tolerance we assumed), you could pack in 12 sectors I think. I forget, all my math was in comments in the include files (assembler). The next generation chipset from Amiga (AAA) had an improved disk controller on Mary that could handle 2.88MB (3.4MB in Amiga format) floppies, not that they ever took off, as well as do direct CDROM bitstream decode. Never got past a few sample boards in the lab, though. Back to the original question: do people care about floppies and bad-sector recovery anymore? Aren't floppies on the very verge of disappearing for good, replaced by CDRW's? -- Randell Jesup, Worldgate Communications, ex-Scala, ex-Amiga OS team rjesup@wgate.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 13:46:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from rambo.simx.org (rambo.simx.org [194.17.208.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18CC37B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rambo.simx.org (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.simx.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ALk4X79250; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:46:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@rambo.simx.org) Message-ID: <3C3E0CA2.3010103@rambo.simx.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:50:26 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" Reply-To: listsub@rambo.simx.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randell Jesup Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, olli@secnetix.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... References: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Randell Jesup wrote: [snip] > Back to the original question: do people care about floppies and > bad-sector recovery anymore? Aren't floppies on the very verge of > disappearing for good, replaced by CDRW's? I think we will have to assume that the floppy will hang around for some time still. Look at how people choose to install BSD. There are downloadable ISO images of bootable CD's available on almost every mirror out there, still, most people downloads the floppy images and install via ftp. Look at computer manufacturers. AFAIK, Apple is the only one so far that has dared to step up and ship a new computer without floppy. All PC's still comes with a 3.5" floppy drive. Why? Well, they are slow and error prone, but the floppy is probably the most supported, cheapest and most spread media we have today. Everywhere you go, whatever kind of computer environment you are in, you can almost be 100% certain that you will be able to access information on a DOS formatted floppy. CDRW's is not quite there yet, and making a bootable rescue CD is still to complicated for many users. But I will not cry the day I can remove my last floppy drive and throw it away, thats for sure. Just my $0.02. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 13:49:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.k12us.com (mail.k12us.com [65.112.222.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95A7637B402 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17909 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jan 2002 21:49:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:49:14 -0500 From: Christopher Weimann To: Randell Jesup Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, olli@secnetix.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... Message-ID: <20020110164914.A12342@mail.k12us.com> References: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]>; from rjesup@wgate.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:32:43PM -0500 X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:32:43PM -0500, Randell Jesup wrote: > > Back to the original question: do people care about floppies and > bad-sector recovery anymore? Aren't floppies on the very verge of > disappearing for good, replaced by CDRW's? > Mine will all disapear once I manage do move all the contents onto CDRW :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 14:11:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFE737B405 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0272.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.17] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OnPh-0007Yh-00; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:11:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3E117A.7A4AEC14@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:11:06 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Weimann Cc: Randell Jesup , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, olli@secnetix.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... References: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> <20020110164914.A12342@mail.k12us.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christopher Weimann wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:32:43PM -0500, Randell Jesup wrote: > > Back to the original question: do people care about floppies and > > bad-sector recovery anymore? Aren't floppies on the very verge of > > disappearing for good, replaced by CDRW's? > > > > Mine will all disapear once I manage do move all the contents onto CDRW :) Mine too... only I need to recover sectors on some of them first... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 14:23:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DCB37B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id AJA06953; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:23:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0AMMLo10800; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:22:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:22:21 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: tech@openbsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: strlcat manpage Message-ID: <20020111002221.A571@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-42: On Organization: Dark side of coredump Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There was a fresh discussion in some maillists (security-audit, glibc-alpha) of strlcpy() and strlcat() in context of possible inclusion to glibc. Among others, the question was spoken that strlcat manpage contains a dark moment of strlcat() return value. One should agree with affirmation that strlcat() must not check characters after dst[size-1], the first reason is that memory block can end here; but, James Antill reported that Sun programmers lost their mind and checks full length of dst as a source nul-terminated string. (I didn't check his report.) In this context, I think the following patch should be applied to provide explicit clarification of this moment and full accordance with source code. --- strlcpy.3.0 Thu Jan 10 23:24:42 2002 +++ strlcpy.3 Thu Jan 10 23:48:22 2002 @@ -114,11 +114,9 @@ .Fa src . For .Fn strlcat -that means the initial length of -.Fa dst -plus -the length of -.Fa src . +that means min(size, strlen(dst)) + strlen(src) (but, +.Fn strlcat +never reads memory after dst[size-1]). While this may seem somewhat confusing it was done to make truncation detection simple. .Sh EXAMPLES /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 14:24:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3A137B41E for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16770 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 22:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jan 2002 22:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020110205850.GA14046@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Leo Bicknell Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:47:44PM -0800, John Baldwin > wrote: >> > As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt >> > at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go >> > into single user mode, since you don't get to select that earlier >> > with a serial console. >> >> Sure you can. Interrupt the loader and do 'boot -s' just like you would on >> a >> video console. > > Ok, maybe I'm just not getting in soon enough to see that then, > due to it not letting me in until DTR is high. > >> > Have others noticed this behavior? Does anyone know a way to >> > work around it? Does some init genuis know why this happens? >> >> I have not had this behavior before, but as Alfred mentioned, I do use nohup >> on >> my terminals. > > Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, > right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on > the switch from kernel mode to {single,multi}-user mode. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Pick one or the other. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 15:20:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D3F37B41B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12756; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:26:54 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200201102326.CAA12756@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: Two devices, one Interrupt In-Reply-To: <20020110212211.A59757@tisys.org> from "Nils Holland" at "Jan 10, 2 09:22:11 pm" To: nils@tisys.org (Nils Holland) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:26:53 +0300 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "."@babolo.ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nils Holland writes: ...... > The only thing I noticed is that if I run "systat -vm 1" while both devices > share IRQ 5, I do only get one device entry for IRQ 5, labelled "mux", > obviously named after the soundcard. This "mux" entry now seems to count No. "mux" is for any shared interrupt > both the interrupts for the sound card and the WinTV board. If, however, > both cards use their own interrupts, systat shows two seperate entries, one > labelled "mux" and only counting soundcard interrupts, and the other called > "bktr0", only counting the interrupts for the WinTV board. In this case your soudcard share interrupt with somethig else > That's however the only difference I've seen when comparing the cards with > a shared interrupt vs. non-sharred interrupts, but I still wonder if > there's any technical reason why it would be beneficial to give both cards > their own interrupts, or if I just don't need to care. > > Any hints are welcome! > > Nils > > -- > Nils Holland > Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany > http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 15:50:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009BD37B421 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id AAA02896; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:50:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0ANkr675063; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:46:53 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:46:53 +0100 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Julian Stacey Cc: Terry Lambert , Nils Holland , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... Message-ID: <20020111004653.A69116@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <200201102126.g0ALQeA55983@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201102126.g0ALQeA55983@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@jhs.muc.de on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:26:40PM +0100 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Julian Stacey wrote: > Would be nice, Joerg W. (cc'd) looked in that direction somewhat > I recall, I can't remember how far he got, I do recall some patches > I didnt get to try, can't remember quite what for, Joerg, can > you recall ? Use "fdread -r" for this (FreeBSD-current only). > Anyway, if anyone does offer such a read(), I'll add it to valid(). Well, it's not that simple. Have a look at how fdread implements it... Basically, there's no way how a Unix read(2) can both return (erroneous) data /and/ simultaneously notify the caller there has been an error. The hack is that you explicitly need to turn off driver error reporting once you know about your bad sector, then read the sector with error reporting turned off, and eventually turn it on again to continue. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16: 6:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E54737B48F; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B05vi18869; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:05:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:05:57 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111000557.GA18770@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <20020110205850.GA14046@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:23:22PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, > > right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on > > the switch from kernel mode to {single,multi}-user mode. > > You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Pick one or the other. :) Of course I can, I have the source! :-) What confuses me is I thought the hup/nohup was a function of the shell exiting, but it seems to be a function of init/getty (which is why it happens when init starts). Even if it's a part of init, it looks like it would be relatively simple to tell it not to send the hup the very first time, regardless of the config which would fix my problem. Is that an unreasonable behavior? I want to make sure I'm going down the right road, before I dig in code to patch/fix it. :-) -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16: 9: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5293737B4A5; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1192) id F219710DDF8; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:08:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:08:48 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Leo Bicknell Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020110160848.T7984@elvis.mu.org> References: <20020110205850.GA14046@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020111000557.GA18770@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020111000557.GA18770@ussenterprise.ufp.org>; from bicknell@ufp.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:05:57PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Leo Bicknell [020110 16:07] wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:23:22PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, > > > right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on > > > the switch from kernel mode to {single,multi}-user mode. > > > > You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Pick one or the other. :) > > Of course I can, I have the source! :-) > > What confuses me is I thought the hup/nohup was a function of the > shell exiting, but it seems to be a function of init/getty (which > is why it happens when init starts). > > Even if it's a part of init, it looks like it would be relatively > simple to tell it not to send the hup the very first time, regardless > of the config which would fix my problem. > > Is that an unreasonable behavior? I want to make sure I'm going down > the right road, before I dig in code to patch/fix it. :-) No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore carrier detection :P -- -Alfred Perlstein [alfred@freebsd.org] 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' Tax deductable donations for FreeBSD: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16:12: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78637B68F; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B0BhQ19020; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:11:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:11:43 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111001143.GA19003@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Alfred Perlstein , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org References: <20020110205850.GA14046@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020111000557.GA18770@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020110160848.T7984@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020110160848.T7984@elvis.mu.org> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:08:48PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore > carrier detection :P But then when I log out I'll have to disconnect separately. :-) I want to have my cake and eat it too! -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16:18:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B4C37B405 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30576 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 00:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jan 2002 00:16:41 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020111001143.GA19003@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Leo Bicknell Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:08:48PM -0800, Alfred > Perlstein wrote: >> No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore >> carrier detection :P > > But then when I log out I'll have to disconnect separately. :-) Yes, that's what most of us do. :) ~. in tip/cu isn't but so bad, and ^E c . in conserver is fairly quick. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16:42:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C3437B417; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B0gIB19703; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:42:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:42:18 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111004218.GA19608@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein References: <20020111001143.GA19003@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:16:07PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > Yes, that's what most of us do. :) ~. in tip/cu isn't but so bad, and > ^E c . in conserver is fairly quick. No no no. We need to improve the system! :) I did some digging. init does nothing with the terminals, and although I didn't look I'm going to assume the kernel doesn't given when it's happening (would happen after the serial port probe, if the kernel was initializing wrong). So that leaves getty. I'm a bit confused here, but it appears getty (for the console) looks like this: initialize to getty defaults initialize to configured values (from gettytab) log in user I believe the problem is occuring with the initalize to defaults. I think that's causing the port to lower DTR, and hang up the session, then it gets the gettytab values and is good to go again. I'm not sure if the defaults are needed for some reason (there are a lot of oddball terminals out there), but I find it likely the right thing to do is a single init, that is: get default values merge in configured values (from gettytab) init with default+merged values getty is a bit, well, cryptic to someone who doesn't normally write terminal code, is there a getty expert in the house? -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 16:52:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E2F37B423; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B0qK019944; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:52:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:52:20 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: Lyndon Nerenberg Cc: Alfred Perlstein , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111005220.GA19912@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Lyndon Nerenberg , Alfred Perlstein , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020110160848.T7984@elvis.mu.org> <200201110049.g0B0nu2I044666@atg.aciworldwide.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201110049.g0B0nu2I044666@atg.aciworldwide.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:49:56PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore > > carrier detection :P > > Or just wire CD to DTR on the offending device. For reference, I'm 96% sure the problem in this case is the termainal server paying attention to DTR, I believe the way it's configured now it ignores CD. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 18:25:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B852537B41A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0ANgJ956491; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200201102342.g0ANgJ956491@jhs.muc.de> To: casey@ccmt.net Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which ftpd for proxy ? In-Reply-To: Message from "Casey T.Zednick" of "Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:36:13 MST." <02010823361300.00562@casey.ccmt.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:42:19 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Casey T.Zednick" wrote: > Give /usr/ports/www/squid a try, it can proxy HTTP and FTP. Thanks, hadnt thought to look in www/ > > http://www.squid-cache.org/ > > Hope this helps, but if I where doing it I would use NAT and block any > incoming from the outside. That way you can use other net apps too. Hmm, OK I'll reread man natd later, with a new view, but I'm not keen on natd :-) Julian J.Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant Reduce costs to secure jobs: Use free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 19:23:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0532C37B400 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0B3NDt38028; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201110323.g0B3NDt38028@apollo.backplane.com> To: Alfred Perlstein , "Alan L. Cox" Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Need review of NFS patch set for server .. missing/wrong vput() issues Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heya Alfred, Alan, hackers. Ok, I've been tracking down a bug with A russian news admin and I believe I may have found it (he's testing it), plus a few other bugs. I would like a review of this (for -stable, but applies to -current too): Patch section 1 Here we were previously vput()ing nd.ni_vp only if error == 0. If error is returned non-zero from namei() this would normally be correct. However, we force error on a number of occassions after namei() succeeds, in which case nd.ni_vp may be non-NULL and we must release it. This fixes it so nd.ni_vp is vput()'d if it is non-NULL whether an error is specified at this point or not. (I believe this may have been Alexey's 'NFS hangs in inode state' problem, which occurs if you are running innd over an NFS filesystem) Patch section's 2 & 3 Here namei() is called only with LOCKPARENT, which means that the leaf is not locked. So when releasing the vnodes we should not have the if (vp == dvp) test, we should just vput() the dvp and vrele the vp. (Normally when you LOCKPARENT|LOCKLEAF and vp == dvp, only one vput should be performed, thus the test. But we aren't locking the leaf here). GURUS: Am I reading this correctly or does LOCKPARENT without a LOCKLEAF do something weird when dvp == vp? Index: nfs/nfs_serv.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/nfs/Attic/nfs_serv.c,v retrieving revision 1.93.2.2 diff -u -r1.93.2.2 nfs_serv.c --- nfs/nfs_serv.c 28 Dec 2001 19:57:40 -0000 1.93.2.2 +++ nfs/nfs_serv.c 11 Jan 2002 03:15:51 -0000 @@ -2015,6 +2015,8 @@ error = VFS_VPTOFH(vp, &fhp->fh_fid); if (!error) error = VOP_GETATTR(vp, vap, cred, procp); + } + if (vp) { vput(vp); vp = NULL; nd.ni_vp = NULL; @@ -2467,14 +2469,15 @@ vrele(dirp); if (vp) vrele(vp); - if (nd.ni_dvp) { - if (nd.ni_dvp == nd.ni_vp) - vrele(nd.ni_dvp); - else - vput(nd.ni_dvp); - } + + /* + * since leaf is not locked, we can vput the parent even if + * vp == dvp. + */ if (nd.ni_vp) vrele(nd.ni_vp); + if (nd.ni_dvp) + vput(nd.ni_dvp); return(error); } @@ -2636,10 +2639,11 @@ nfsmout: NDFREE(&nd, NDF_ONLY_PNBUF); if (nd.ni_dvp) { - if (nd.ni_dvp == nd.ni_vp) - vrele(nd.ni_dvp); - else - vput(nd.ni_dvp); + /* + * since leaf is not locked, we can vput the parent even if + * vp == dvp. + */ + vput(nd.ni_dvp); } if (nd.ni_vp) vrele(nd.ni_vp); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 19:59:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B02237B416; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0297.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.42] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OsqM-0001Ji-00; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:59:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3E6302.9EF1ADBC@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:58:58 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leo Bicknell Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip References: <20020111001143.GA19003@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020111004218.GA19608@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Leo Bicknell wrote: > So that leaves getty. I'm a bit confused here, but it appears getty > (for the console) looks like this: > > initialize to getty defaults > initialize to configured values (from gettytab) > log in user > > I believe the problem is occuring with the initalize to defaults. I > think that's causing the port to lower DTR, and hang up the session, > then it gets the gettytab values and is good to go again. No. DTR is dropped fron on-to-off on final close. So that means that if you log out, get the terminal revoked from everyone, then there is an on-to-off DTR as the number of openers drops to 0. The DTR goes high again when the number of opener goes from 0->1 (the first open). Getty opens the tty, but that open doesn't complete unless O_NDELAY is set. What happens instead is that the open hangs, pending off-to-on transition of DCD from the modem (or DTR, if you are using a nullmodem cable to connect to a terminal, and it's correctly wired -- see "Technical aspects of data communication" by McKneely, from Digital Press). In any case, the settings on the port are not set away from the compile time defaults to the gettytab values until *after* the open completes (this is, incidently, after the modem has sent the "my baud rate I connected at is XXX and I got a data/fax/voice call", so that's discarded completely). The reason the open doesn't complete is so that you can open the port from another process: an outbound dialing process (the open is always O_NDELAY), and that open will block the open in the getty from completing. Traditionally, this was managed by setting O_EXCL on the getty open, and, since an exclusive open could not be completed, then when DCD from the outbound call went high, the open would not complete. This was problematic for programs that spawned children to do things like file transfers or terminal emulation, since there was a bug in SYSV where the O_EXCL bit would be set before the open was completed, and not reset if another opener with O_NDELAY opened the port. To get around this, you attempted a blocking open without O_EXCL set, alarmed out of it, and then opened O_NDELAY (this unset the O_EXCL bit in the tty data structure in the driver; eventually, USL moved the 12 lines of code for this 22 lines further down in the driver, fixing this bug). HDB UUCP added "uugetty"; this is sort of like "mgetty"; it opens the port O_NDELAY. This means that it can change the settings, if it wants. But the open in that case was done *always*, so what it had to do was periodically check to see if there was a lock file present, or if data was there; if a lock file was present (outbound UUCP locked the tty), then the getty would back off for a time period, and retry once the lock file went away (as bidirectional port code went, this sucked). FreeBSD has "mgetty". Actually, it would probably be more correct to cause the open to hand until RI went high -- the modem rand because of an incoming call -- instead of DCD going high, but since Apple 8 pin serial cables discard RI, no one has done the code for this yet. Unfortunately, it's even more complicated, since the DCD semantics only effect the first open in a process, so if you set O_NDELAY, then subsequent open attempts succeed. Actually, since on lder systems, you could not turn off the O_NDELAY non-blocking I/O once triggered, you had to: 1) Blocking open with alarm to unset the O_EXCL 2) Open with O_NDELAY to get open without DCD present 3) Open without O_NDELAY to get blocking I/O (the open succeeded because of #2) 4) Close the descriptor from step #2. Wheee! Platform independent UNIX serial I/O is fun! > I'm not sure if the defaults are needed for some reason (there are a > lot of oddball terminals out there), but I find it likely the right > thing to do is a single init, that is: > > get default values > merge in configured values (from gettytab) > init with default+merged values You have to use mgetty for this, if you want to use "standard" stuff to do the job without having to write your own code. An alternative is to open the port with another process O_NDELAY, spam the settings on it, and just keep them there. Alternately, you could change the compiled in default settings at the time you build your kernel. At ClickArray, we used another process to open the serial port and SPAM the settings so that we could echo out boot time messages to the serial port from the startup scripts, without also echoing out the FreeBSD startup code (technical customers kept asking to have all the messages, but there was some insane idea that FreeBSD messages coming out the serial port would be a bad thing marketing-wise; I never understood the paranoia, and I still don't). > getty is a bit, well, cryptic to someone who doesn't normally write > terminal code, is there a getty expert in the house? Just realize that it never does anything until after the init scripts are done running, no matter what (nothing run from /etc/tys can), and realize that it doesn't change the port settings until the open is complete, and that it resets to the compile-time defaults every time the last opener closes it. If you could describe *exactly* what behaviour you wanted and *exactly* when you wanted it, someone could probably give you a better approach to what you are trying to do thatn futzing with the gettytab. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 20: 9:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C0337B417; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0297.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.42] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ot0O-0004s5-00; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3E6570.9506E5EB@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:09:20 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leo Bicknell Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , Alfred Perlstein , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip References: <20020110160848.T7984@elvis.mu.org> <200201110049.g0B0nu2I044666@atg.aciworldwide.com> <20020111005220.GA19912@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Leo Bicknell wrote: > > Or just wire CD to DTR on the offending device. > > For reference, I'm 96% sure the problem in this case is the termainal > server paying attention to DTR, I believe the way it's configured > now it ignores CD. Uh, DTR is the termial equivalent of a modem's DSR + DCD. Your serial port is either DTE or DCE. Off the shelf PC hardware is wired as DTE -- terminals. Your terminal server is probably wired as DCE, unless you actually need a null-modem cable to hook a PC to it? If you want your terminal server to not know when a client machine goes away, you need to make it ignore DTR. The easiest way to do this in hardware (assuming you can't just set the terminal server up to do it in software) is to wire CTS and RTS together with DTR on the server side, and CTS to RTS, DCD and DSR on the terminal side, with only 2,3, and 7 going through, with all other wires unused in the cable and hooked to pin 1 on one side only to avoid ground loops. Probably it would be best if you changed your terminal server settings... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 20:24:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E84F37B41B; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B4Odk24613; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:24:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:24:39 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: Terry Lambert Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111042439.GA24433@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Alfred Perlstein References: <20020111001143.GA19003@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020111004218.GA19608@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <3C3E6302.9EF1ADBC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C3E6302.9EF1ADBC@mindspring.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:58:58PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > If you could describe *exactly* what behaviour you wanted and > *exactly* when you wanted it, someone could probably give you > a better approach to what you are trying to do thatn futzing > with the gettytab. Ok, let me add some detail, because I think this is a fairly common setup: I have a Cisco terminal server (think 2511) connected to the console of a PC running FreeBSD. I am using the standard Cisco 9 pin adapter on the PC. The terminal server is configured a la: line modem Host transport input telnet stopbits 1 flowcontrol hardware On the PC, I do "-P" in /boot.config, "set console=comconsole" in /boot/loader.rc (which I am told is redundant with -P), and I changed the console line in /etc/ttys to: console "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" unknown on secure Now, consider a fully booted PC (with no keyboard, so it used the serial console). If I connect to the terminal server (telnet termserv 200) I get the console login prompt. I can log in, and do normal unixy things. Most importantly, when I type "exit" the telnet session automatically closes. The terminal server is catching some signal (DTR, I believe) and terminating the telnet session. So far this is _exactly_ what I would like. Now, consider the machine is turned off. You cannot connect to the terminal server, because it never gets a signal from the PC (DTR again, I believe). I can live with that. It means if you want to catch the loader prompt you have to keep trying over and over when the tech turns it on, annoying but probably hard to work around (and leave my above logout functionality). So, I get in and see all of the kernel boot messages. As soon as the kernel spawns init (the change from bold to normal video on a CRT) the terminal server closes the connection. You can in fact jump right back in and see the other boot script messages (fsck, network config, etc). You end up right back at the login prompt. It is the getting kicked out between the kerkel and init starting that is bothering me. Something is changing the serial port settings at that time in a bad way. This is a fairly minor problem, but since it works so well "out of the box" with the default Cisco parts, it seems we should be able to make it work 100%. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 10 21:54:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web21104.mail.yahoo.com (web21104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 378B637B417 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020111055448.85256.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:48 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:48 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Subject: Re: developers always wanted , join up : gopenports project To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <26600.1010697361@winston.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This is ridiculous. Why the hell you felt compelled > to fill my > mailbox with *nine* copies of this message is beyond > me, and spamming > in the name of project evangelism is hardly getting > things off on the > right foot! You've certainly left me without any > desire to contribute > to or even endorse this project and I seriously > doubt I'm the only > person who feels this way. > > You owe this group an apology, I think. > > - Jordan He certainly does.. - Hiten ===== SSH Fingerprint: 1024 45:a5:9c:f2:fb:07:da:70:18:02:0b:f3:63:f1:7a:a6 hitenp@hpdi.ath.cx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 2:35:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nelly.internal.irrelevant.org (irrelevant.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BA237B416 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from simond by nelly.internal.irrelevant.org with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16OyyX-0000gp-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:31:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:31:53 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: Randell Jesup Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, olli@secnetix.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD Floppy driver needs enhancement... Message-ID: <20020111103153.GD2529@irrelevant.org> References: <7e04eadc031ed907d2@[192.168.1.4]> <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8303d2c304636007d2@[192.168.1.4]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:32:43PM -0500, Randell Jesup wrote: > Oliver Fromme writes: > >Randell Jesup wrote: > > Back to the original question: do people care about floppies and > bad-sector recovery anymore? Aren't floppies on the very verge of > disappearing for good, replaced by CDRW's? My floppies will be vanishing entirely, after I've finished copying all my Amiga floppies onto HD as adf files (of course, there's the problem that loads are corrupt by now, but most still work much to my surprise!). -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 2:55: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web20707.mail.yahoo.com (web20707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49F0A37B419 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:54:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020111105457.36073.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.200.20.35] by web20707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:54:57 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:54:57 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?vishwanath=20pargaonkar?= Subject: ipv6 help!! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have freebsd 4.2. I configured prefixes as follows. prefix rl0 3ffe:501:ffff:100:: and prefix rl0 3ffe:501:ffff:100:: prefixlen 32 I got some error messages. But when i checked ndp and ifconfig rl0 two prefixes and two addresses were there. Now when i delete them by prefix rl0 delete 3ffe:501:ffff:100:: and prefix rl0 delete 3ffe:501:ffff:100:: prefixlen 32 the address formed from the prefix of prefixlength 32 does not get deleted. Can anybody tell me why is this is happening? Is this a bug in freebsd? If this is a bug and has been already fixed, kindly mail me the link. One more thing, I talked about the error message it is like this for the prefix of length 32 it is giving the message that address is already formed and in6_control failed because address is already in use(EADDRINUSE). I feel that the address formed from the same prefix but of different lengths (in this case 64 and 32) are differnet. So how is this message comming? Kindly update me on this. regards ravi prasad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 3:57:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pios.library.ohyama.toyama.jp (pios.library.ohyama.toyama.jp [61.127.24.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928E337B42B; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.eudoramail.com ([207.93.225.196]) by pios.library.ohyama.toyama.jp (Build 101 8.9.3/3.5Wpl7-pios) with ESMTP id UAA28006; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:48:16 +0900 From: WSCHwatch@eudoramail.com Message-ID: <0000723b1f00$00005805$00006b6e@mx2.eudoramail.com> To: Subject: WSCH: Baby Pharmaceutical on the Rise T Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:45:46 -1800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: WSCHnews25@eudoramail.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG = Investors
<= td width=3D100% height=3D372 valign=3Dtop align=3Dleft>
  &n= bsp;   Key Points about = WSCH:
  • The products and me= dical therapies developed by WSCH represent possibly the most important= breakthrough in the field of Dermatology in the last fifty years.&nbs= p;

  • WSCH anticipates= FDA approval on seven over-the-counter products within the next ye= ar, which will provide significant revenue in the retail drug market.
    =
  • WSCH has experie= nced a success rate of 90% during clinical studies, completely elim= inating skin disease from 90% of all patients treated.

  • By year five, WSCH plans to have annua= lized revenue over $525 million and over $125 million in EBIT.  This does not take into account income from OTC products which wi= ll be substantial.

 <= /caption>
=

Emergin= g Growth Stock Alert
Wasatch Pharmaceuticals: A Company on the Rise

Company Name &n= bsp;Wasatch Pharmaceuticals (OTCBB: WSCH)
Current = Price$0.066
52-We= ek High$27.50
5= 2-Week Low$0.065
<= /div>

Company Background

Wasatch Pharmaceutical, Inc. is a fourteen year o= ld company with a record of outstanding achievements in the field of Derma= tology.  Under the name of its subsidiary, American Institute of Skin= Care (AISC), Wasatch has operated two prototype clinics for the la= st five years where the products and medical therapies have been tested an= d proven on hundreds of patients.  The Company's activities have been= centered on research in the area of serious skin diseases.  A= concurrent discovery and benefit is WSCH's dramatic success in the area o= f skin rejuvenation.  Seeing the high growth potential from major fun= ding, WSCH elected to become a public company less than two years a= go.

Wasatch's major successes i= n the area of skin diseases include: 

Cystic Acne, Eczema= , Seborrhea, Contact Dermatitis, Molluscum, Folliculitis, Acne Rosacea and= less prevalent skin diseases.  

Interestingly, the= se skin disorders account for more than 70% of all business in the = field of dermatology for which there are very few (if any) safe, effective= therapies like those developed by Wasatch.

Because the th= erapies developed by Wasatch dominate this area of medicine, WSCH h= as elected to market its products via company-owned clinics throughout the= United States.  This decision has resulted in the establishment of <= b>two research clinics in Utah for the purpose of implementing procedu= res within the clinics pursuant to testing and confirming the results that= were achieved in past clinical trials.  Due to its success rate o= f 90% on hundreds of patients over a five year period, WSCH's clinics = are now on line with insurance providers independent of HMOs.  Effort= s to establish Preferred Provider ship status with HMOs are presently bein= g pursued. 

Most Recent WSCH News

 

Wasatch Pharmaceutical Inc. Announc= es a New Physician Marketing Campaign and Listing On German Stock Exchange= s

MURRAY, Utah--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov.= 27, 2001--Wasatch Pharmaceutical Inc. (OTCBB:WSCH - news) CEO Gary Heesch announced today a marketing camp= aign directed to physicians. A direct link has been established on a physi= cian recruiting Web site making available therapies for the treatment of c= ystic acne, acne, folliculitis, and skin rejuvenation. Physicians will fin= d the benefits of these treatment therapies by logging on to the "= X Acne" link at physicianssearc= h.com. This physician search Web site typically receives over 2= 00,000 hits per month. Mr. Heesch reminded, "Our treatment therap= y products are also available via the AISC Online Store at restoremyskin.com.'"

These skin treatment products come in kit form providing a = 90-day supply to patients for the full treatment program. Included in the = kit is an instructional video on the treatment therapy allowing the patien= t to use these products in their home. The therapies, when used as instruc= ted, achieve a success rate of eradication in excess of 90% with no sid= e effects of any consequence. Previously, these therapies and associat= ed products were only available through the two prototype clinics in Utah.= The availability of these products will open the way for family practitio= ners, pediatricians, internists and other primary care physicians to retai= n their patients under their care during the treatment of these common ski= n disorders. The benefit to insurance providers is the potential to sav= e millions of dollars in reimbursement costs by freeing the physician and = the patient from ongoing treatment.

In the coming year, six additional therapies will be made availabl= e for a broad range of skin disorders that are badly in need of succes= sful therapies.

Gary Heesch also an= nounced the listing of Wasatch Pharmaceutical stock on the Frankfurt an= d Berlin Exchanges in Germany. Active trading on these exchanges will = take place upon the completion of a research report in Germany. Said Mr. H= eesch, "We feel this is a significant event as Wasatch will gain w= ider exposure as a leader in dermatology and will put buying pressure on its stock to reflect the true value of a company t= hat has committed years of research and development of products that allow= people with serious skin disorders to live normal and more productive liv= es."

There may be forward-loo= king statements in this release. Investors are cautioned that such forward= -looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including, without li= mitation, continued acceptance of the Company's products, increased levels= of competition, new products introduced by competitors, changes in the ra= tes of subscriber acquisition and retention, and other risks detailed from= time to time in the Company's periodic reports filed with the Securities = and Exchange Commission.

Projections, Objectives, and Statistics

 Over a five year period, AISC (WSCH's subsidiary) p= lans to establish 350 clinics in over 100 major population areas.&n= bsp; The company plans to hire over 150 medical doctors for these clinics,= train over 1,000 medical assistants and treat over 2,000,000 patients<= /b>. Also by year five, WSCH plans to have annualized over $525 million= in revenue and over $125 million in EBIT. This does not take into acc= ount income from OTC products which will be substantial. 

<= blockquote>

  As of 1991, there were = approximately 14 million chronic acne and eczema patients annually in the = United States, with the highest percentage between 18 to 44 years of = age. The actual number of patients with any type of acne is significa= ntly higher.  Seven billion dollars is spent annually on derma= tological pharmaceutical products for these disorders. 

=   In 1994, the teen population reached 25 million. During the next d= ecade, it will grow at nearly twice the rate of 
the overall p= opulation (according to U.S. Census Bureau projections). Acne pat= ients are primarily teenagers, whereas eczema patients range from inf= ants to the elderly.

A Look at the Competition

= Dermatologists are the primary competitors of WSCH's clinics. Dermatologis= ts specialize in the treatment of skin disorders and prescribe medications= to treat the disorder.  However, competing products address the s= ymptoms of acne and eczema, not the cause. 

<= font face=3DVerdana size=3D2>The competition's skin care treatments includ= e prescription medications (oral and external use drugs prescribed by derm= atologists and other doctors) and over-the-counter products.  
Several common prescription medications include: 
= 1) E-Mycin for oral and topical use, 2) Cleocin for oral and topical use, = 3) Tetracycline for oral and topical use, and 4) Accutane for oral use onl= y.  

Over-the-counter acne medications include: = ;
1) Clearasil and Oxy creams, 2) generic brand creams, 3) medicat= ed pads, and 4) medicated soaps. 

Many of the competit= ion's oral medications have serious side effects.

Costs for competing treatments range from $2.50 for= medicated soaps to $200 for Accutane oral medication prescription.  = Treatments are on-going.  Over time a person can spend an unlimite= d amount of money on such treatments.  An example would be someon= e who spent $1,500 for a 22 week program of Accutane which includes blood = testing.  Another example would be someone who has had acne for many = years and has spent in excess of $34,000. 

At this time there is no known competitor who treats t= he causes of these skin disorders and no competitor can claim a success= rate equal to that of Wasatch's treatments. 

Final Thoughts on WSCH<= /b>

Wi= th a proven success rate of 90% in a field that affects so many of our liv= es, Wasatch has clearly positioned itself in a market hungry and desper= ate for successful products and treatment.  WSCH has recently exp= anded its marketing presence (as seen in the above press release) and will= continue to aggressively broaden awareness over the near term. The listin= g of WSCH on the German stock exchange is another sign of the compa= ny's credibility and ambitious plans to establish itself as a major glo= bal player in the field of dermatology.  

WSCH has = taken on a completely different approach.  By addressing the causes o= f skin disorders rather than the symptoms, WSCH will help to successfully = eliminate skin disease altogether. Given its 

1. Successful = 14-year history and plans for expansion
2. Impressive revenue projecti= ons ($525 million+ annualized by year 5 and $125 million in EBIT)
= 3. Virtually unmatched success rate of 90%...

...and so much = more, WSCH will certainly watched by savvy investors for some time to come= .

DISCLAIMER= : 
Information within this email contains "forward looking s= tatements" within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of= 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statemen= ts that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, expect= ations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, assumptions or fut= ure events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be= "forward looking statements."

Forward looking statemen= ts are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the st= atements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties wh= ich could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those p= resently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be ide= ntified through the use of words such as "projects", "fores= ee", "expects", "will,"  "anticipates," "estimates," "believes," "understands" o= r that by statements indicating certain actions "may,"= ; "could," or <= font face=3DVerdana size=3D1 color=3D#5F5F5F>"might" = occur.  All information provided within this email pertaining to inve= sting, stocks, securities must be understood as information provided and n= ot investment advice. Emerging Growth Stock Alert advises all readers and = subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities = representative before deciding to trade in stocks featured within this ema= il.  None of the material within this report shall be construed as an= y kind of investment advice.

In compliance with the Securities Ac= t of 1933, Section17(b), Emerging Growth Stock Alert discloses the receipt= of $40,000 cash from a third party for the publication of this report and= additional services related= to WSCH. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such= compensation.  All factual information in this report was gathe= red from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company= Press Releases, and the company's website at wasatchpharm.com. Emerging Growth Stock Alert believes t= his information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accurac= y or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your = acceptance of these terms.



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<= /div> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 4:56:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14BA37B402 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P1Gg-000DKV-00 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:58:46 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: [OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:58:46 +0200 Message-ID: <51242.1010753926@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ This message does not pertain exclusively to FreeBSD and was sent ] [ to this mailing list more for the clue resident here. ] Hi folks, Several people on the exim-users mailing list have reported problems with various Wintendo e-mail clients using SMTP TLS against Exim. A good example is Microsoft Outlook, which sometimes reports: | The server you are connected to is using a security certificate | that could not be verified. | | A certificate chain processed, but terminated in a root | certificate which is not trusted by the trust provider. | | Do you want to continue using this server? It has been suggested that this is caused by Exim's failure to use the OpenSSL API properly. Unfortunately, Philip Hazel (the Exim author) is not an SSL wizard and doesn't know how to handle this himself. The following two messages contain an explanation of the suggested problem, and Philip's call for OpenSSL wizards: http://www.exim.org/mailman/htdig/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20011112/032089.html http://www.exim.org/mailman/htdig/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20011112/032125.html If any OpenSSL wizards here feel inclined to take a look, please contact Philip Hazel and me with any ideas or requests for more information. Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 6:16: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AED37B417 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P2VM-000DaR-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:18:00 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim In-reply-to: Your message of "11 Jan 2002 13:58:30 GMT." Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:18:00 +0200 Message-ID: <52230.1010758680@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11 Jan 2002 13:58:30 GMT, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > I'm not an OpenSSL wizard, but this sounds like either a self-signed > certificate, or a root CA which isn't in Outlook's trusted list of > root CA's. In Outlook's case (although the problem exists with some Netscape messaging client and a recent Eudora as well), the self-signed certificate has been installed into the Trusted Root Certification Authorities store. That said, I'd be more than happy to hear that this is just a Wintendo problem and nothing to do with the Unix components. The murmurings I've read from the Wintendo community aren't convincing. Also, I'm loath to continue discussing the issue on this list, since it's off-topic. I'd rather solicit advice sent in private. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 6:17: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14407.mail.yahoo.com (web14407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C1B237B400 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:16:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020111141659.94693.qmail@web14407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.94.180.94] by web14407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:16:59 GMT Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:16:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Brijesh=20Krishnan?= Reply-To: brij_krishnan@yahoo.co.uk Subject: no spamming intended, apologies! To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <26600.1010697361@winston.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This is ridiculous. Why the hell you felt compelled > to fill my mailbox with *nine* copies of this > message is beyond me, and spamming > in the name of project evangelism is hardly getting > things off on the > right foot! i had no intention of spamming. i apologize for any inconvenience caused. > You've certainly left me without any > desire to contribute to > or even endorse this project i was'nt looking for endorsements. > and I seriously > doubt I'm the only person who feels this way. i realise that a lot of others may have felt the same and i am sorry i ended up sending a lot of mails to everyone. thanks for pointing this out. brijesh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 7:26: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dpbox.dhs.org (dsl-216-227-100-85.telocity.com [216.227.100.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC3D37B41D for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.usa.net ([192.168.0.50]) by dpbox.dhs.org.dpbox.dhs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0B197902110 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:09:07 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: dpuryear@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:03:36 -0600 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Dustin Puryear Subject: sar on FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing something myself. Is there any interest in this? Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 8:17:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EA037B446 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0BGGsx29505; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:16:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:16:54 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Dustin Puryear Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com>; from dpuryear@usa.net on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: > After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool > available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. > However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that > doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is > sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters in the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does it. Sounds like a lot of work to me. W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 8:48:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3363137B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0BGmfM22818; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:48:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:48:41 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Dustin Puryear , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020111164840.GI26342@dan.emsphone.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Jan 11), Wilko Bulte said: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like > > tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities > > of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level > > tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of > > anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't > > available, I may just begin writing Sar and SNMP provide completely different services. Sar gives you historical reports, where SNMP is a network service that gives you only the current value of a stat. > sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters > in the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does > it. Sounds like a lot of work to me. There are already kernel counters for most (probably all) of the things sar would need to measure. The only problem is writing sar, sa1, sa2, and sadc. If you don't mind the GPL, the Linux systat package includes an implementation of sar. In 1999, SCO promised to release their source under MPL, but never did. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 8:53:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dpbox.dhs.org (dsl-216-227-100-85.telocity.com [216.227.100.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336D237B400 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.usa.net ([192.168.0.50]) by dpbox.dhs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0BG84e03538; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:04 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111110039.037a4e10@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: dpuryear@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:02:39 -0600 To: Wilko Bulte From: Dustin Puryear Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:16 PM 1/11/2002 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that > > doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is > > sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing > >sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters in >the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does it. >Sounds like a lot of work to me. It is one tool that would be very useful on BSD systems as it gives a lot more data than similar BSD tools. Anyway, Brandon Poyner sent me an excellent link (although I haven't tried the software yet): http://www.googlebit.com/bsdsar/ Seems to be exactly what I needed. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 8:54:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE437B400; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0BGsG936237; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:54:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:54:16 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: Lyndon Nerenberg Cc: Terry Lambert , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020111165416.GA36184@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Lyndon Nerenberg , Terry Lambert , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Alfred Perlstein References: <20020111042439.GA24433@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <200201111648.g0BGmA2I047791@atg.aciworldwide.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201111648.g0BGmA2I047791@atg.aciworldwide.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 09:48:10AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Okay, on the terminal server side wire DSR, DTR, and CD together. This > should let you open the port at any time ragardless of the state of > the remote sio port. But this will break the 'type exit and the connection drops behavior', because the terminal server will ignore that as well. The software is clearly lowering DTR on the console briefly between the kernel probes and init running. That is the issue here. Yes, it can be hacked around, breaking other things in the process. I'd like to zero in on why the software is doing this and fix it though. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 10:17:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ms54.hinet.net (ms54.hinet.net [168.95.4.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8870E37B41D for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rose.cirx.org (d3m0n@rose.cirx.org [211.72.15.245]) by ms54.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12513 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:17:15 +0800 (CST) Received: (from asee@localhost) by rose.cirx.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0BIGqM88353 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:16:52 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from asee) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:16:51 +0800 From: Daniel Chen-Hsi Lee To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <20020111181651.GB88296@rose.cirx.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 10:19:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dpbox.dhs.org (dsl-216-227-100-85.telocity.com [216.227.100.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918837B43B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.usa.net ([192.168.0.50]) by dpbox.dhs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0BHXNe03582; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:33:23 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111122359.038be4e8@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: dpuryear@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:27:57 -0600 To: Dan Nelson , Wilko Bulte From: Dustin Puryear Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020111164840.GI26342@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <20020111171654.A29484@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:48 AM 1/11/2002 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: >In the last episode (Jan 11), Wilko Bulte said: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > > tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of > > > anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't > > > available, I may just begin writing > >Sar and SNMP provide completely different services. Sar gives you >historical reports, where SNMP is a network service that gives you only >the current value of a stat. Apparently, I wasn't being very clear. I referred to SNMP because it provides a way to collect performance data. By using a tool such as MRTG you can then provide historical performance data, much in the same way as sar. I had left that tidbit as being implied, rather than explicitly stating it. >and sadc. If you don't mind the GPL, the Linux systat package includes >an implementation of sar. In 1999, SCO promised to release their >source under MPL, but never did. Fortunately, I was provided with a link to a tool named bsdsar, which seems to provide sar capabilities. I haven't done any testing yet, but bsdsar looks promising. Anyone else interested may want to take a look. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 10:21: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web21203.mail.yahoo.com (web21203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9AEB37B417 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020111182049.37178.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.249.47.9] by web21203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:20:49 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Thoelen III Reply-To: robert.thoelen@ieee.org Subject: IPsec tunnel between FreeBSD and OpenBSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am looking to set up a secure tunnel between a machine running FreeBSD 4.4 and OpenBSD 3.0. Does anyone have scripts for both platforms that would set up a simple ESP tunnel between the two? The reason I ask is because the commands look different and I haven't used ipsec much before. Thanks, Bob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 10:27:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D799B37B417 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P6Or-0003f2-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:27:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:27:31 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dustin Puryear Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dustin Puryear wrote: > > After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool > available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. > However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that > doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is > sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing > something myself. Is there any interest in this? Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11: 0: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047A737B402 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0BIxpG83638; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:59:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:59:51 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dustin Puryear , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020111185951.GK26342@dan.emsphone.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Jan 11), Terry Lambert said: > Dustin Puryear wrote: > > After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like > > tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities > > of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level > > tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of > > anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't > > available, I may just begin writing something myself. Is there any > > interest in this? > > Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two > back, now. Well, they published a press release saying they would, but the web page referenced in the announcement never had any download links, and is now 404. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11: 3:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4085F37B41C for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([199.243.128.21]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020111190305.UMJI29652.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:03:05 -0500 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0BIr0X73994; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:53:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <012001c19ad2$97c42b70$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:02:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dustin Puryear wrote: > > > > After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool > > available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. > > However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that > > doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is > > sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing > > something myself. Is there any interest in this? > > Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year > or two back, now. If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at SourceForge.) http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns SCO, and a search for "opensource" and "open source" on Caldera's web site only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are included with it. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:19:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF9837B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7CQ-0003ju-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F3A93.C1ECF9B0@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:43 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Dominic Mitchell , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [OT] OpenSSL, certification chains and Exim References: <52230.1010758680@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On 11 Jan 2002 13:58:30 GMT, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > I'm not an OpenSSL wizard, but this sounds like either a self-signed > > certificate, or a root CA which isn't in Outlook's trusted list of > > root CA's. > > In Outlook's case (although the problem exists with some Netscape > messaging client and a recent Eudora as well), the self-signed > certificate has been installed into the Trusted Root Certification > Authorities store. > > That said, I'd be more than happy to hear that this is just a Wintendo > problem and nothing to do with the Unix components. The murmurings I've > read from the Wintendo community aren't convincing. > > Also, I'm loath to continue discussing the issue on this list, since > it's off-topic. I'd rather solicit advice sent in private. I'm continuing it on this list. 8-). The reason is that it's always nice to capture in the archives the domain specific knowledge of how to get FreeBSD to interoperate with Windows, etc.. I'm going to "dumb this down"; not the the point of uselessness, but to the point that it is understandable by a layman, so anyone else out there who us clued enough to take issue with my explanation, but "too clued to answer the question that was asked", go easy on me! 8-) I believe the problem is that the certificate used to sign the server certificate was the installed, rather than the authority certificate. The way certificates work is that they are signed with the private key of a signing authority, providing a public key for verification of the signature. The way this operates is that you assume a trusted public key from a trausted authority. The trusted authority signs a certificate containing a public key of another p[rivate key, and, because you trust the original public key, you verify that the certificate is valid, and thus trust the public key in the signed certificate; so you get: [ trusted public key A ] | V [ trusted private key A ] | V [ certificate containing public key B signed with private key A ] | V [ trusted-by-chain private key B ] | V . . . [ certificate containing public key N signed with private key (N-1) ] | V [ trusted-by-chain private key N ] In addition, the signing certificate contains information as to whether or not it is capable of signing signing certificates. When you send a chain, basically, you send a certificate (usually a "leaf" certificate -- one that is not permitted to sign others), signed with a signing certificate (and the signing certificate public key), all the way to the "root" signing certificate. A certificate is considered a "root" certificate if it is installed in the software as "trusted". Note: Some software insists the "root" certificates be self-signed, so it's not possible to set up an intermediate certificate as a "root" certificate merely by installing it as one, unless it meets this criteria as well; in general, software does this to be a pain in the arse to use with "unapproved" certificate authorities, ones that have not been factory preinstalled as allowed exceptions (you will obviously never see even certificates 4 down from Thawte or VeriSign's certificate servers, even if you are The Pope). So the problem is that the installed certificate is the same as the authoritative (implied trust) certificate, instead of one that was signed by the private key it contains. In other words, you should be able to fix it by creating a signing certificate, trustung the signing certificate, and signing a leaf certficate, which the software then trusts because of implicit trust of the signing certficate. This might be all you have to do. This is (potentially) further complicated by: 1) Your software is throwing a hissy fit intentionally, because the vendor has a contract with a certificate vendor that requires it to throw a hissy fit, unless the authoritative certificate is self-signed, or from a contracted vendor (VeriSign sometimes does things like this). 2) Your verification certificate is *not* a leaf certificate; sometimes software will enforce this, as well. So my advise is: A) Self-sign a signing certficate B) Install it as authoritative in the software C) Sign a leaf certificate (a *non-signing* certificate) with the signing certificate, and use that one in your server software D) Verify that every certificate between the leaf certificate and the authoritative certificate is being sent when the leaf certificate is requested (ther is a big-arse MIME type for doing certificate chains like this). Step (D) should not be necessary, if you are one step away from the authoritative certificate. RFC 1423 is a good starting point, and there are a lot of nice books on the subject, but I don't think any of them are less than ~300 pages. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:34:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A373B37B419; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7R5-00026k-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:33:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F3E1D.F23F9BD7@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:33:49 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leo Bicknell Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip References: <20020111042439.GA24433@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <200201111648.g0BGmA2I047791@atg.aciworldwide.com> <20020111165416.GA36184@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Leo Bicknell wrote: > The software is clearly lowering DTR on the console briefly between > the kernel probes and init running. That is the issue here. Yes, > it can be hacked around, breaking other things in the process. > I'd like to zero in on why the software is doing this and fix it > though. You are likely SOL. The problem is that, with no opens on it, the natural state of the serial driver is "DTR not asserted". I'm guessing that, even though you are not saying it, that the DTR drop occurs *immediately* after the probe and attach, and not some short time after the init scripts have fully rung, and the getty's are started, initiating "first opens" (this is an educated guess from looking at the code). The answer is, as you stated before: you have the source. The magic incantation you want is to modify the serial driver to attach the serial device with the DTR and hardware flow control signals left held high, until the first final close after the first open of the associated tty. This would make the console not drop DTR until after a getty had opened it, and then a final close. You could test it by connecting, and then typing "foo" at the login prompt and "foo" at the password prompt, which gets you to the point where getty has exec'ed login. Then at the next "login: " prompt (assuming you have no account "foo" with password "foo", of course... 8-)), type ^D, and this will cause the login program to exit, which will be a final close, and then the init program will reexec getty on the port, but not after the DTR drop. Note that you will still have to connect during the boot stage, since the normal state of a POST'ed COM1: port is "DTR low", until the boot code initializes the serial console. One of the idiotic things a number of people have wanted in the past is the ability to disable FreeBSD and BIOS boot messages, but still put out boot indications on the serial "console", which was not in fact the OS console. The answer to this is that when you are running the BIOS POST memory test, the only way to achieve this is with a BIOS hack, since the memory test is going to take a comparatively huge amount of time, even if you manage to hack every kernel printf into submission (not a good idea, IMO, since this is exactly what you will want to see, as an engineer, from a failed device in the field in order to diagnose the failure). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:37:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDE937B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7UA-0006mq-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F3EE0.A80F5713@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:37:04 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert.thoelen@ieee.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPsec tunnel between FreeBSD and OpenBSD References: <20020111182049.37178.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Robert Thoelen III wrote: > > I am looking to set up a secure tunnel between a > machine running FreeBSD 4.4 and OpenBSD 3.0. Does > anyone have scripts for both platforms that would set > up a simple ESP tunnel between the two? > > The reason I ask is because the commands look > different and I haven't used ipsec much before. Start with: "A Quick Guide to Configuring IPsec on OpenBSD v2.9" Robert Sigillito, Carol Thompson http://www.daemonnews.org/200111/ipsec.html Once you have the OpenBSD side configured, the FreeBSD should be fgairly straight forward (just make changes until it works 8-)), since most of the code is OpenBSD derived. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:42:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73F737B416 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7ZR-0007L7-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F4026.AE9D2887@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:42:30 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Nelson Cc: Dustin Puryear , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> <20020111185951.GK26342@dan.emsphone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Nelson wrote: > > Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two > > back, now. > > Well, they published a press release saying they would, but the web > page referenced in the announcement never had any download links, and > is now 404. Most intersting SCO web pages have 404'ed since the Caldera take-over. I think they are just taking a huge amount of time to rebadge everything, and the transition is not going very smoothely, as far as their web development team is concerned. All the useful documentation on S51K and other SCO FSs (for example) went away and now returns search results which, if you click them you get 404s. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:44:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F2737B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7bG-0002IE-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:44:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F4098.42B41793@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:44:24 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Emmerton Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> <012001c19ad2$97c42b70$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year > > or two back, now. > > If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO > sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at > SourceForge.) I downloaded them. I have them on tape... somewhere. The cscope code was released by Lucent, not SCO. > http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns > SCO, and a search for "opensource" and "open source" on Caldera's web site > only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are > included with it. Yes, it's incredibly hard to find anything any more, now that Caldera has taken over. Hopefully, it's just "growing pains"; see my other posting. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:45:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E548D37B400 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0BJjib30465; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:45:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:45:44 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: robert.thoelen@ieee.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPsec tunnel between FreeBSD and OpenBSD Message-ID: <20020111204544.A30419@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020111182049.37178.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3F3EE0.A80F5713@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3F3EE0.A80F5713@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:37:04AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:37:04AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Robert Thoelen III wrote: > > > > I am looking to set up a secure tunnel between a > > machine running FreeBSD 4.4 and OpenBSD 3.0. Does > > anyone have scripts for both platforms that would set > > up a simple ESP tunnel between the two? > > > > The reason I ask is because the commands look > > different and I haven't used ipsec much before. > > Start with: > > "A Quick Guide to Configuring IPsec on OpenBSD v2.9" > Robert Sigillito, Carol Thompson > http://www.daemonnews.org/200111/ipsec.html > > Once you have the OpenBSD side configured, the FreeBSD > should be fgairly straight forward (just make changes > until it works 8-)), since most of the code is OpenBSD > derived. But FreeBSD uses racoon (OK, it is a port) iso isakmpd or am I missing something? -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 11:55:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FC937B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0189.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.189] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P7lR-0007dN-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F430F.B031DD6@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:54:55 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: robert.thoelen@ieee.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPsec tunnel between FreeBSD and OpenBSD References: <20020111182049.37178.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3F3EE0.A80F5713@mindspring.com> <20020111204544.A30419@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Start with: > > > > "A Quick Guide to Configuring IPsec on OpenBSD v2.9" > > Robert Sigillito, Carol Thompson > > http://www.daemonnews.org/200111/ipsec.html > > > > Once you have the OpenBSD side configured, the FreeBSD > > should be fgairly straight forward (just make changes > > until it works 8-)), since most of the code is OpenBSD > > derived. > > But FreeBSD uses racoon (OK, it is a port) iso isakmpd or > am I missing something? No, FreeBSD is gratuitously different because of where it got its ISA/KMP code vs. OpenBSD. In general, you should only need to manage keys if you are exchanging them on one server or the other, not both, so my suggestion would be to keep the keys in the ISA/KMP server on the OpenBSD box (for which we have example configuration documentation), and not on the FreeBSD box. Otherwise, the "just make changes until it works" approach is a possible tack to take, or you could beat documentation out of the Racoon people, if you can read Japanese. You might also want to talk to Evan Oldford, who did a FreeBSD<->FreeBSD configuration at Whistle/IBM (he works for a PacketDesign spinoff now; sorry, you will have to search out his email). I can tell you that his advice will probably be to statically configure certificates on both ends, instead of relying on Racoon (don't know if he ever got it working between Windows and FreeBSD with the "preview" version of the IPSec stuff from Microsoft that I found for him, and which they removed from download very shortly thereafter). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 13:26:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hoth.ffwd.cx (hoth.ffwd.cx [216.187.116.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EDD37B404 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from skye by hoth.ffwd.cx with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16P9Bn-0009YZ-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:15 -0800 From: Skye Poier To: FreeBSD 31337 H4X0RZ Subject: Possible problem with timeouts? Message-ID: <20020111132615.A36583@ffwd.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-URL: http://www.ffwd.cx/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Hackers, While doing an audit of the timer code in FreeBSD's kernel one of our developers came across a theoretical bug and I thought I'd run it by the gurus on this list before we hack around it. It seems that it is possible to call untimeout and then have your timer called immediately thereafter. However, we haven't actually seen this in practice, this is a theoretical bug. If this is indeed the case, it will break lots of our code (misunderstood semantics..) If you look at softclock, you will see that the callout_lock mutex is released after we have decided on the callback to call next, but right before we actually call it. Theoretically, the following seems possible: callout thread our kern thread -------------- --------------- acquire Giant try to acquire callout_lock choose callout release callout_lock try to acquire Giant remove callout release callout_lock release Giant untimeout returns caller removes resource callout needs acquire Giant call callout BIG TROUBLE FOR MOOSE AND SQUIRREL With these semantics, things get severely broken, because there's no reliable way to clean up after timeouts except to just never call untimeout and have the timeouts themselves realize they have been cancelled. Now, its possible that this has been fixed since we took a snapshot of -current way back around Feb/Mar 2001. If anyone has some insight into this it would be much appreciated. I have a second question around softclock but I'll save it for later.. Thanks, Skye Poier -- "Natural Gas. It sure gives you some ideas!" - Space Ghost [ www.ffwd.cx ] ffwd internet division To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 14:30:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D054137B416 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3964 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 22:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jan 2002 22:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020111132615.A36583@ffwd.cx> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Skye Poier Subject: RE: Possible problem with timeouts? Cc: FreeBSD 31337 H4X0RZ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Jan-02 Skye Poier wrote: > Hello Hackers, > > While doing an audit of the timer code in FreeBSD's kernel one of our > developers came across a theoretical bug and I thought I'd run it by the > gurus on this list before we hack around it. > > It seems that it is possible to call untimeout and then have your timer > called immediately thereafter. However, we haven't actually seen this in > practice, this is a theoretical bug. If this is indeed the case, it will > break lots of our code (misunderstood semantics..) Yes. > If you look at softclock, you will see that the callout_lock mutex is > released after we have decided on the callback to call next, but right > before we actually call it. Theoretically, the following seems possible: > > callout thread our kern thread > -------------- --------------- > acquire Giant > try to acquire callout_lock > choose callout > release callout_lock > try to acquire Giant > remove callout > release callout_lock > release Giant > untimeout returns > caller removes resource callout needs > acquire Giant > call callout > BIG TROUBLE FOR MOOSE > AND SQUIRREL > > With these semantics, things get severely broken, because there's no > reliable way to clean up after timeouts except to just never call > untimeout and have the timeouts themselves realize they have been > cancelled. Incorrect, there is a reliable way. :) However, it has been fixed since your snapshot. callout_reset() returns a boolean now, true if it succesfully removed the item, false otherwise. We use this to workaround just such a race with msleep and the endtsleep timeout. In msleep, when we resume, if PS_TIMEOUT isn't set, we do a callout_reset(). If that fails, then we know that we have lost the race (i.e., endtsleep is still out there waiting to wake us up), so to workaround the race, msleep sets PS_TIMEOUT and the thread suspends. In endtsleep, if PS_TIMEOUT is set, then we know we've lost the race, so we unsuspend the thread. This synchronization is necessary to avoid having the endtsleep() wakeup the wrong tsleep (imagine a while (!foo) tsleep(.., timo);). Note that this means that the calling software has to use a flag (like msleep/endtsleep uses PS_TIMEOUT) to help detect and flag this condition in cases where this is a problem. For some callouts, however, having it run is harmless. We have to drop the callout lock around the actual timeout function to prevent lock order reversals and allow callouts to grab locks. > If anyone has some insight into this it would be much appreciated. I > have a second question around softclock but I'll save it for later.. Hope this helps. > Thanks, > Skye Poier -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 14:36:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E625837B416 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from grand.canyon.xs4all.nl (canyon.xs4all.nl [194.109.195.185]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g0BMaLvS029863; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:36:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by grand.canyon.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5D1E5FA9; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:36:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from meandrix.tunix.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grand.canyon.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8165DB2; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:36:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:36:23 +0100 Subject: Filtering packets received through an ipsec tunnel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Rene de Vries To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, By experimenting with ipsec and looking at the source of "ip_input.c" a co-worker and I found the following out. When a ipsec tunnel packet is received this (protocol 50/51) packet is passed through ip-filter (& co). After filtering and when it has been determent that the current host is the destination (tunnel end-point), this packet is decrypted/verified. The decrypted packet is then pushed back into the queue that leads to ip_input(...). So far so good.... But once in ip_input(...) the filtering code is skipped and we were wondering why. I know that ipsec has some handles to be able to filter on address, protocol and/or port. But for more complex situations this is not enough. In these situations it would be nice to be able to use ip-filter (& co) on traffic from the tunnel (and also for traffic going into the tunnel). I was wondering why this is implemented the way it is. Maybe someone on this list could shed a light on this? Rene -- Rene de Vries To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 14:45:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA64037B41A for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0202.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.202] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PAQf-0004WS-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:45:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F6B12.452655E3@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:45:38 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Skye Poier Cc: FreeBSD 31337 H4X0RZ Subject: Re: Possible problem with timeouts? References: <20020111132615.A36583@ffwd.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Skye Poier wrote: > It seems that it is possible to call untimeout and then have your timer > called immediately thereafter. However, we haven't actually seen this in > practice, this is a theoretical bug. If this is indeed the case, it will > break lots of our code (misunderstood semantics..) Yes, this can happen. No, it doesn't break anything. Timeouts wake on an address, and if your code is no longer sleeping on it, then it doesn't matter. The only complex case is the case where you have multiple things sleeping ont he same address, and you expect "wake one" instead of "wakeup" behaviour (your expectation is incorrect, if this is the case). If you are using a non-generic callout, then it's possible, if you do not do proper guarding of your code, to have a callout called at the wrong priority. This will only happen if you untimeout at a priority different than the priority of the code being awoken (coding error). Otherwise, the fact of the priority level blocking against itself should be enough to save you. Arew you observing an error in this regard? > Now, its possible that this has been fixed since we took a snapshot of > -current way back around Feb/Mar 2001. Wow. That's *really* old. All bets are off, since that is incredibly unknown-to-the-rest-of-us code you are running, there... > If anyone has some insight into this it would be much appreciated. I > have a second question around softclock but I'll save it for later.. If it's about the ineffeciencies in the fixed intervals for a large number of simultaneous TCP connections, we already know... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 17:25:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A736137B41A; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0C1PTL47392; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:25:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:25:29 -0500 From: Leo Bicknell To: Terry Lambert Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: serial console + boot blip Message-ID: <20020112012529.GA47286@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Lyndon Nerenberg , John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Alfred Perlstein References: <20020111042439.GA24433@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <200201111648.g0BGmA2I047791@atg.aciworldwide.com> <20020111165416.GA36184@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <3C3F3E1D.F23F9BD7@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C3F3E1D.F23F9BD7@mindspring.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:33:49AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > I'm guessing that, even though you are not saying it, that the DTR > drop occurs *immediately* after the probe and attach, and not some > short time after the init scripts have fully rung, and the getty's > are started, initiating "first opens" (this is an educated guess > from looking at the code). No, this is wrong. The probe comes and goes, and I see a long list of probes after it. The drop is after the last kernel probe, and before the first non-kernel message (verified for both single user and multi-user now). Again the best way I know to describe this is that the drop occurs when the "boot sequence" switches from bold print to normal print on a CRT. Hooking up a crt to the same spot, and comparing messages with what I see on the serial port shows this is when it happens. What I have now realized is that this is long before getty runs, since it is not run on the console until the boot scripts complete. I now suspect the bios is leaving DTR high, and when init sets up stdout (for the rc scripts) and/or "opens the console" is when DTR is momentarily dropped. I'll be darned if I can see where that happens in init though. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 19: 1:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp006pub.verizon.net (smtp006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0969137B417 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (pool-151-198-117-31.mad.east.verizon.net [151.198.117.31]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id g0C31XX11831 Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C3FA70C.B42F4CAA@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:01:32 -0500 From: Sergey Babkin Reply-To: babkin@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Matthew Emmerton , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sar on FreeBSD References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020110200054.033683f0@pop.netaddress.com> <3C3F2E93.497D8E54@mindspring.com> <012001c19ad2$97c42b70$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <3C3F4098.42B41793@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > Matthew Emmerton wrote: > > > Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year > > > or two back, now. > > > > If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO > > sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at > > SourceForge.) > > I downloaded them. I have them on tape... somewhere. Did you look at Sourceforge ? The other stuff was published there. In any case, I'll ask about it on Monday (I hope I won't forget about it). > The cscope code was released by Lucent, not SCO. I think it was SCO/Caldera. > > http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns > > SCO, and a search for "opensource" and "open source" on Caldera's web site > > only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are > > included with it. > > Yes, it's incredibly hard to find anything any more, now that > Caldera has taken over. Hopefully, it's just "growing pains"; > see my other posting. The story is that Caldera did not buy SCO: it bought only the OS-related part of it and the rest of SCO has renamed itself to Tarantella. The sco.com domain is owned and run by Tarantella (though the SCO trademark is somehow jointly owned but I guess it only means that www.sco.com contains a link to Caldera's page) and recently they've completed the IS split and wiped out whatever was left on the Tarantella-owned servers. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 20:20:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-201-166.mmcable.com [65.31.201.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D2B137B419 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 37536 invoked by uid 100); 12 Jan 2002 04:20:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15423.47479.755060.834901@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:20:07 -0600 To: Munish Chopra Cc: Terry Lambert , Danny Horne , Matthew Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh my god, Google has a USENET archive going back to 1981! In-Reply-To: <20020107192629.C12557@rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca> Reply-To: chat@"freebsd-chat]".mired.org References: <3C3A3CCE.85BDDEE2@mindspring.com> <20020107192629.C12557@rn-re116a13.uwaterloo.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.43 (Python 2.1.1; freebsd-4.4-STABLE-i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [redirected to -chat from -hackers.] Munish Chopra types: > > Now that's tempting.... > Heh. And 386's seem ancient to me. I really *was* born 10 years too > late. Look at it the other way around, and consider the 10 years worth of hardware you're liable to see that those of us who remember these old things probably won't see. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 23:17:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.humangate.com (211-41-175-189.rev.krline.net [211.41.175.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 118B737B400 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21121 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 17:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO x0m1g9) (211.218.202.253) by ns.humangate.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 17:18:42 -0000 From: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?s6q0qbiu?= To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?KLGksO0pIMDMwaa0wiC9w8Dbx8+8vL/kLi4u?= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:13:34 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0F13A.93A34C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20020112071743.118B737B400@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0F13A.93A34C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ICAgILjewM8gs7u/68DMILq4wMzB9r7KwLi8vL/kLi4uLj8NCr+pseK4piDFrLivx8+8vL/k Li4uIA0KIA== ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0F13A.93A34C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+IA0KPGhlYWQ+IA0KPG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0icmVmcmVzaCIgY29udGVudD0i MDtVUkw9aHR0cDovL2hvbWUuaGFubWlyLmNvbS9+cW5ma2R3azcveG1hcy/G+y5odG1sIj4N CjwvaGVhZD4gDQo8Ym9keT4gDQq43sDPILO7v+vAzCC6uMDMwfa+ysC4vLy/5C4uLi4/PGJy Pg0KPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2hvbWUuaGFubWlyLmNvbS9+cW5ma2R3azcveG1hcy/G+y5o dG1sIj48Zm9udCBjb2xvcj1yZWQgc2l6ZT01PjxiPr+pseI8L2I+PC9mb250PjwvYT64piDF rLivx8+8vL/kLi4uIDxicj4NCjwvYm9keT4gDQo8L2h0bWw+DQoNCg== ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C0F13A.93A34C00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 11 23:54:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.agava.net.ru (ofc.agava.net [213.59.3.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DA937B416 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hellbell.domain (hellbell.domain [192.168.1.12]) by relay2.agava.net.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574B266A60 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:54:34 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellbell.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328A1CD0C for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:54:34 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:54:34 +0300 (MSK) From: Alexey Zakirov X-X-Sender: Cc: Subject: Re: Filtering packets received through an ipsec tunnel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Rene de Vries wrote: > I know that ipsec has some handles to be able to filter on address, > protocol and/or port. But for more complex situations this is not > enough. In these situations it would be nice to be able to use > ip-filter (& co) on traffic from the tunnel (and also for traffic going > into the tunnel). > > I was wondering why this is implemented the way it is. Maybe someone on > this list could shed a light on this? Even worse. 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O P T I C I A 64 Rue de Vaugirard - 75006 Paris Tél : 01 42 22 11 15 Du Lundi au Samedi de 10h à 19h30 Pour ne plus recevoir d'email, envoyer un message vide à opticia@hotmail.com avec REMOVE comme sujet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 10:30:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB4237B440 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22153; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0CIUSQ20777; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:30:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15424.32963.768829.892783@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:30:27 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Amount of free memory available in system? X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a simple sysctl or a command line utility I can use to determine how much free memory is available in a system? I've got an embedded application that has *very* limited memory, and I was trying to figure out how much memory was available for the userland applications. 'top' has something, as well as 'vmstat'. Unfortunately, because of the limited amount of disk space available on this box, I don't have access to either one of those. Is there a sysctl I can use to determine how much free memory is available on the box? Note, I've disabled swapping, since the *ONLY* thing running is an MFS at the point I'm checking. /stand/sysctl vm.defer_swapspace_pageouts=1 /stand/sysctl vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts=1 Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 14:25:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-75.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8812C37B41A for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2579866D43; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:25:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:25:35 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Amount of free memory available in system? Message-ID: <20020112142534.D40866@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <15424.32963.768829.892783@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15424.32963.768829.892783@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:30:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:30:27AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > Is there a simple sysctl or a command line utility I can use to > determine how much free memory is available in a system? >=20 > I've got an embedded application that has *very* limited memory, and I > was trying to figure out how much memory was available for the userland > applications. >=20 > 'top' has something, as well as 'vmstat'. Unfortunately, because of the > limited amount of disk space available on this box, I don't have access > to either one of those. >=20 > Is there a sysctl I can use to determine how much free memory is > available on the box? Why not look how top and vmstat calculate it and do that in your code. Kris --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8QLfeWry0BWjoQKURAmMAAJsEJ29Pcsm1DRtK2nY2mJYG4k0xzgCfcjF0 wemE/ltrP5eEmK2YJ76ITbE= =57s0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HWvPVVuAAfuRc6SZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 15:22: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9A937B417 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03476; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:22:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0CNLxg22519; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:21:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15424.50454.973048.932329@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:21:58 -0700 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Amount of free memory available in system? In-Reply-To: <20020112142534.D40866@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <15424.32963.768829.892783@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020112142534.D40866@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is there a simple sysctl or a command line utility I can use to > > determine how much free memory is available in a system? > > > > I've got an embedded application that has *very* limited memory, and I > > was trying to figure out how much memory was available for the userland > > applications. > > > > 'top' has something, as well as 'vmstat'. Unfortunately, because of the > > limited amount of disk space available on this box, I don't have access > > to either one of those. > > > > Is there a sysctl I can use to determine how much free memory is > > available on the box? > > Why not look how top and vmstat calculate it and do that in your code. I was hoping to get do 'sysctl foo.bar.bletch' to tell me information. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 15:45:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (h24-64-56-135.cg.shawcable.net [24.64.56.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D554437B402 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNjRI69227; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0CNjQS27490; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:45:26 -0700 From: Chad David To: Nate Williams Cc: Kris Kennaway , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Amount of free memory available in system? Message-ID: <20020112164526.A27462@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Nate Williams , Kris Kennaway , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15424.32963.768829.892783@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020112142534.D40866@xor.obsecurity.org> <15424.50454.973048.932329@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15424.50454.973048.932329@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 04:21:58PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 04:21:58PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > Is there a simple sysctl or a command line utility I can use to > > > determine how much free memory is available in a system? > > > > > > I've got an embedded application that has *very* limited memory, and I > > > was trying to figure out how much memory was available for the userland > > > applications. > > > > > > 'top' has something, as well as 'vmstat'. Unfortunately, because of the > > > limited amount of disk space available on this box, I don't have access > > > to either one of those. > > > > > > Is there a sysctl I can use to determine how much free memory is > > > available on the box? > > > > Why not look how top and vmstat calculate it and do that in your code. > > I was hoping to get do 'sysctl foo.bar.bletch' to tell me information. vm.stats.vm.v_free_count will give you a somewhat useful number. As well there are sysctls for active, inactive, and cached (and wired), which you could use to get a more complete picture of whats going on. `sysctl vm` dumps a lot of useful information. I hope that helps. -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 15:47:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fremont.bolingbroke.com (adsl-216-102-90-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.90.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BA337B416 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fremont.bolingbroke.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0CNles6046745; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:47:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Bolingbroke X-X-Sender: ken@fremont.bolingbroke.com To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Amount of free memory available in system? In-Reply-To: <15424.50454.973048.932329@caddis.yogotech.com> Message-ID: <20020112154339.B5440-100000@fremont.bolingbroke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Nate Williams wrote: > I was hoping to get do 'sysctl foo.bar.bletch' to tell me information. From: http://people.freebsd.org/~adrian/sysctl.descriptions hw.physmem: Physical memory in system hw.usermem: Physical memory avaliable to user processes Ken Bolingbroke hacker@bolingbroke.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 15:53:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fremont.bolingbroke.com (adsl-216-102-90-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.90.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952F037B419 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fremont.bolingbroke.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0CNrjs6046775; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:53:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:53:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Bolingbroke X-X-Sender: ken@fremont.bolingbroke.com To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Amount of free memory available in system? In-Reply-To: <20020112154339.B5440-100000@fremont.bolingbroke.com> Message-ID: <20020112155305.A5440-100000@fremont.bolingbroke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pardon me, I just realized I misread the original question. Never mind. Ken Bolingbroke hacker@bolingbroke.com On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Ken Bolingbroke wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I was hoping to get do 'sysctl foo.bar.bletch' to tell me information. > > From: http://people.freebsd.org/~adrian/sysctl.descriptions > > hw.physmem: Physical memory in system > hw.usermem: Physical memory avaliable to user processes > > Ken Bolingbroke > hacker@bolingbroke.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 16:43:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 456EA37B421 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 13 Jan 2002 00:43:44 +0000 (GMT) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Alfred Perlstein , "Alan L. Cox" , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need review of NFS patch set for server .. missing/wrong vput() issues In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:23:13 PST." <200201110323.g0B3NDt38028@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:43:40 +0000 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200201130043.aa90380@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200201110323.g0B3NDt38028@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon wri tes: > Patch section 1 > > Here we were previously vput()ing nd.ni_vp only if error == 0. > If error is returned non-zero from namei() this would normally be > correct. However, we force error on a number of occassions after > namei() succeeds, in which case nd.ni_vp may be non-NULL and we > must release it. This fixes it so nd.ni_vp is vput()'d if it is > non-NULL whether an error is specified at this point or not. I don't think this is necessary, because the cleanup code at the end of nfsrv_mknod() catches any cases where nd.ni_vp was not released earlier. It would be harmless to add it though. > (I believe this may have been Alexey's 'NFS hangs in inode state' > problem, which occurs if you are running innd over an NFS filesystem) Was that a client-side or server-side issue? > Patch section's 2 & 3 > > Here namei() is called only with LOCKPARENT, which means that the > leaf is not locked. So when releasing the vnodes we should not > have the if (vp == dvp) test, we should just vput() the dvp and > vrele the vp. Hmm, it seems that lookup() doesn't actually leave the parent locked in this case (it probably should), so I think the existing code is correct in that distorted sense of `correct'. The exit code in lookup() is: if ((cnp->cn_flags & LOCKLEAF) == 0) VOP_UNLOCK(dp, 0, td); return (0); I tried reproducing the vp == dvp case in nfsrv_link by attempting to create a link called `/somedir/.' to an existing regular file (I did this at the protocol level; I'm not sure if you can do this easily from a normal client). Instrumentation confirmed that the code in question does get executed with vp == dvp, but I saw no problems or panics either with or without your patch (!). It seems we don't have any VFS locking assertions compiled in even with INVARIANTS... When I added some assertions, your patch triggered my "vput: vnode not locked" error as soon as the weird link operation was repeated, but the existing code works fine. We really need some basic locking assertions such as checking that a vnode is locked when you vput it, and checking that it isn't locked when the last reference is vrele'd. This is complicated by the fact that we have at least 3 different types of vnode locking: vop_stdlock (ufs etc), vop_sharedlock (nfs), and vop_nolock (devfs, procfs etc). Maybe a VOP_LOCKASSERT would help, because VOP_ISLOCKED isn't useful for vop_nolock filesystems. Note that there are the `options DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS' assertions, but these are used in ways that can result in false positives. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 16:56:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E27D37B41D for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 13 Jan 2002 00:56:24 +0000 (GMT) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Alfred Perlstein , "Alan L. Cox" , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need review of NFS patch set for server .. missing/wrong vput() issues In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:43:40 GMT." <200201130043.aa90380@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:56:24 +0000 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200201130056.aa91209@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200201130043.aa90380@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>, Ian Dowse writes: >I don't think this is necessary, because the cleanup code at the >end of nfsrv_mknod() catches any cases where nd.ni_vp was not >released earlier. It would be harmless to add it though. Oops, I missed a 'return (0);' when reading the code. You're quite correct here; the first part of the patch looks correct, and could certainly cause vput's to be forgotten. I'll try to reproduce this now. It's just the vp == dvp stuff that is ok as it is. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 18: 1:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0FC37B42A for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0D21Xh49451; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200201130201.g0D21Xh49451@apollo.backplane.com> To: Ian Dowse Cc: Alfred Perlstein , "Alan L. Cox" , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need review of NFS patch set for server .. missing/wrong vput() issues References: <200201130056.aa91209@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Oops, I missed a 'return (0);' when reading the code. You're quite :correct here; the first part of the patch looks correct, and could :certainly cause vput's to be forgotten. I'll try to reproduce this :now. : :It's just the vp == dvp stuff that is ok as it is. : :Ian Ok, cool. I'll get the commit gears started for the first part of the patch. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 18:39:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D47F37B404 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 13 Jan 2002 02:39:35 +0000 (GMT) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Alfred Perlstein , "Alan L. Cox" , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need review of NFS patch set for server .. missing/wrong vput() issues In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:01:33 PST." <200201130201.g0D21Xh49451@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:39:34 +0000 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200201130239.aa98693@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200201130201.g0D21Xh49451@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon wri tes: > Ok, cool. I'll get the commit gears started for the > first part of the patch. FYI, I was able to reproduce this and confirm that the first part of your patch fixes it. All that it takes is for the mknod to fail because the name already exists, but normally this is masked by the client because it does an NFSPROC_ACCESS RPC first. Another nasty bug in nfsrv_mknod that I just spotted is that it doesn't override the S_IFMT bits of the file mode supplied by the client. It should be completely ignoring those bits, and using only the node-type it has in the `vtyp' variable. I just managed to create a node that makes ls say "Bad file descriptor" by passing in a type of NFFIFO and a mode of 0... Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 18:57:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F1337B416; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0D2vTD05789; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:57:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:57:28 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: developers@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Moving to a bi-monthly status report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For a variety of reasons, I think it would make sense to follow a two-month status report cycle, rather than doing it every month. This includes the cost/difficulty of extracting regular and timely status reports, the delays involved in generating reports due to time constraints, waiting for stragglers, etc. As such, the next FreeBSD Monthly Development Status Report will cover the months of December and January, with the report deadline of February 7, 2002. Closer to the time, I'll send out a submission request e-mail, probably in the last week of January. Thanks, Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 12 22:27:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 331B537B419 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:27:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020113062729.45895.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.103.213.142] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:27:29 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: k Macy Subject: How well does EVFILT_AIO work? 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