From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 13:57: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mice.XGforce.COM (adsl-63-203-118-74.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.203.118.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFC337B400; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ssn (brams.XGforce.COM [63.203.118.78]) by mice.XGforce.COM (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3SL3KQ38752; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mattl3@earthlink.net) Message-ID: <002301c1eef6$5894d940$4e76cb3f@ssn> From: "Matt" To: "Baldur Gislason" , "Terry Lambert" Cc: , References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020426234504.029f7c30@208.141.46.3> <3CCA4004.B9A8D57A@mindspring.com> <20020427161558.CC4CF2744@tesla.foo.is> Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:50:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Matt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You may try some other kind of load balance and fail safe from www.xgforce.com. It's a layer 3 and layer 7 global clustering software for FreeBSD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baldur Gislason" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? > I have tried that fec driver, no luck. I get the interface up, but when I try > to transmit packets over it I get "invalid argument" or something like that, > I had the network cards hooked to a Cisco catalyst and I had grouped the > ports, and I've tried two types of network cards, 3com 905C and Intel > EtherExpress 100 > > Baldur Gislason > > On Saturday 27 April 2002 06:07, you wrote: > > Gary Stanley wrote: > > > Is it possible to split the load of IP traffic with 2 ethernet cards on a > > > 4.x machine? I'm new to "load balancing" in a sense, however, I'd like to > > > try something that seems more "robust" > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~wpaul/FEC/4.x/ > > > > -- Terry > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 17:57:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A238337B400; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0509.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.254] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 171zTz-00013n-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:57:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCC9A61.A154D411@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:57:05 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Cc: Baldur Gislason , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020426234504.029f7c30@208.141.46.3> <3CCA4004.B9A8D57A@mindspring.com> <20020427161558.CC4CF2744@tesla.foo.is> <002301c1eef6$5894d940$4e76cb3f@ssn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt wrote: > You may try some other kind of load balance and fail safe from > www.xgforce.com. It's a layer 3 and layer 7 global clustering software for > FreeBSD. Wrong kind of "load balancing". The original poster wanted channel bonding, not server load balancing. The layer 3 in the referenced product is (apparently) not really layer 3. VIPs alone do not a layer 3 load balancer make. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 18:10:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webjockey.net (mail.webjockey.net [208.141.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9796A37B400 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stormspe.outloud.org (ISSA.cm.gscyclone.com [24.206.5.44]) by mail.webjockey.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3T19vhQ059531; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:10:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gary@outloud.org) Message-Id: <5.1.1.2.2.20020428210937.00b79fc8@208.141.46.254> X-Sender: ancient@208.141.46.254 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1.3 (Beta) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:10:11 -0400 To: Terry Lambert From: Gary Stanley Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3CCC9A61.A154D411@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020426234504.029f7c30@208.141.46.3> <3CCA4004.B9A8D57A@mindspring.com> <20020427161558.CC4CF2744@tesla.foo.is> <002301c1eef6$5894d940$4e76cb3f@ssn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:57 PM 4/28/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Matt wrote: > > You may try some other kind of load balance and fail safe from > > www.xgforce.com. It's a layer 3 and layer 7 global clustering software for > > FreeBSD. > >Wrong kind of "load balancing". The original poster wanted >channel bonding, not server load balancing. > >The layer 3 in the referenced product is (apparently) not >really layer 3. VIPs alone do not a layer 3 load balancer >make. > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message I'm always for new ideas, no matter if it strays off-topic. ;-) /ges To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 19:57:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000D437B41D for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3T2u9S22972 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:09 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:27:17 +0930 Received: from salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au (salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.9]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/8.9.3.LMD.990513) with ESMTP id MAA01462 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:21:09 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JAWMVX26; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:21:22 +0930 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:13:24 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bison Message-ID: <20020429121137.T292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy all, Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? Cheers - Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 21:20:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from slc.edu (weir-01c.slc.edu [207.106.89.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9E737B405 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from anthony@localhost) by slc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3T4N9K06563; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:23:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from anthony) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:23:09 -0400 From: Anthony Schneider To: "Wilkinson,Alex" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bison Message-ID: <20020429002309.A6532@mail.slc.edu> References: <20020429121137.T292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020429121137.T292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au>; from Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:13:24PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i suggest you read the info pages on bison. they are very informative, even somewhat about non-bison exclusive material (i.e. there's a bit of informat= ion about LALR parsing, BNF, etc.). It works on FreeBSD just like it does on a= ny other UNIX clone that it runs on. You should read the info pages, and perh= aps visit the online bison pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/bison.htm= l. -Anthony. On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:13:24PM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > Howdy all, >=20 > Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? > ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? >=20 > Cheers >=20 > - Alex >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message ----------------------------------------------- PGP key at: http://www.keyserver.net/ http://www.anthonydotcom.com/gpgkey/key.txt Home: http://www.anthonydotcom.com ----------------------------------------------- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzMyq0ACgkQ+rDjkNht5F39rwCfVWthYpEp+6O55dvphnQKF7qV TW8AoKhS8tlp2XPbi2szf0VPQi5Ct7Yj =4LZi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 28 22:43: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B243037B41E for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3T5fZS07029 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:11:35 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:12:43 +0930 Received: from salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au (salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.9]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/8.9.3.LMD.990513) with ESMTP id PAA31949; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:09:25 +0930 (CST) Received: from squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au ([131.185.75.211]) by salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JAWMV6N6; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:09:38 +0930 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:01:40 +0930 (CST) From: "Wilkinson,Alex" X-X-Sender: wilkinsa@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au Reply-To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au To: Anthony Schneider Cc: "Wilkinson,Alex" , Subject: Re: Bison In-Reply-To: <20020429002309.A6532@mail.slc.edu> Message-ID: <20020429150117.O292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for that! - aW On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Anthony Schneider wrote: aschne:>>i suggest you read the info pages on bison. they are very informative, aschne:>>even aschne:>>somewhat about non-bison exclusive material (i.e. there's a bit of aschne:>>information aschne:>>about LALR parsing, BNF, etc.). It works on FreeBSD just like it does aschne:>>on any aschne:>>other UNIX clone that it runs on. You should read the info pages, and aschne:>>perhaps aschne:>>visit the online bison pages at aschne:>>http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/bison.html. aschne:>>-Anthony. aschne:>> aschne:>>On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:13:24PM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: aschne:>>> Howdy all, aschne:>>> aschne:>>> Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? aschne:>>> ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 0:20:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC7837B417 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0121.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.121] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1725Sq-0002sF-00; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:20:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCCF434.E8652D81@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:20:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bison References: <20020429121137.T292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Wilkinson,Alex" wrote: > > Howdy all, > > Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? > ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? Is there some reason you can't use the O'Reilly lex/yacc book? You are aware that bison is a non-standard implementation of yacc, right? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 1:26:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gate.nentec.de (gate2.nentec.de [194.25.215.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49B837B400 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nenny.nentec.de (root@nenny.nentec.de [153.92.64.1]) by gate.nentec.de (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3T8Q9l29664; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:26:09 +0200 Received: from nentec.de (andromeda.nentec.de [153.92.64.34]) by nenny.nentec.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id g3T8QEZ15863; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:26:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3CCD03A6.9070106@nentec.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:26:14 +0200 From: Andy Sporner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: de-at, de, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Stanley Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020426234504.029f7c30@208.141.46.3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gary Stanley wrote: > Is it possible to split the load of IP traffic with 2 ethernet cards > on a 4.x machine? I'm new to "load balancing" in a sense, however, I'd > like to try something that seems more "robust" I didn't know about the 'fec' adapter (might be a good starting point). I have a requirement (from a corporate project) to see "Teaming Adapters" (or faster etherchannels) for a network switch I am developing. There doesn't seem to be a driver at the same level as Intel has on the Windoze environment. I want to make a design overview before I start and would be interested in any possible reviewers, Please email if you are interested (for the moment clusters is on hold! :-() Andy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 1:29:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gate.nentec.de (gate2.nentec.de [194.25.215.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0916637B405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nenny.nentec.de (root@nenny.nentec.de [153.92.64.1]) by gate.nentec.de (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3T8TUl29672 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:29:30 +0200 Received: from nentec.de (andromeda.nentec.de [153.92.64.34]) by nenny.nentec.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id g3T8TZZ15916; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:29:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3CCD046F.9050305@nentec.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:29:35 +0200 From: Andy Sporner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: de-at, de, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Sporner , freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: load balancing with 2 nic cards possible? (Never last post) References: <5.1.1.2.2.20020426234504.029f7c30@208.141.46.3> <3CCD03A6.9070106@nentec.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the post about netgraph. All the better when you don't have to do any work... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 1:57:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.waag.org (A20.waag.org [194.134.18.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB57837B400 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pankaj@localhost) by mail.waag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA23213 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:50:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:50:37 +0200 From: Pankaj To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bison Message-ID: <20020429105036.A22995@sarai.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Reader: Look maa I use mutt. In-Reply-To: <20020429121137.T292-100000@squirm.dsto.defence.gov.au> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:13:24PM +0930, Wilkinson,Alex wrote: > Howdy all, > > Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? > ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? http: //www.gnu.org/manual/bison-1.25/bison.html Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is the perfect guide to bison but if you belive in third party stuff oreilly 's lex and yacc also covers bison and flex. hope it helps > Cheers > > - Alex > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Pankaj Kaushal -- "Trompe Le Monde." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 2: 9: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.waag.org (A20.waag.org [194.134.18.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC3637B417 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pankaj@localhost) by mail.waag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23564; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:01:20 +0200 From: Pankaj Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:01:02 +0200 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bison Message-ID: <20020429110102.B22995@sarai.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CCCF434.E8652D81@mindspring.com> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 12:20:20AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Wilkinson,Alex" wrote: > > > > Howdy all, > > > > Can anyone point me to a good paper about Bison ? > > ie What it is, how it works, how it works with FreeBSD etc ? > > Is there some reason you can't use the O'Reilly lex/yacc book? > > You are aware that bison is a non-standard implementation of > yacc, right? IMHO, there is a yacc compatible mode in bison You may even find that bison is the program most talked about in the book, despite the name (although I haven't read it) > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Pankaj "Trompe Le Monde." Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 5:52:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bart.esiee.fr (bart.esiee.fr [147.215.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6063737B405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bonnetf@localhost) by bart.esiee.fr (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g3TCqWE09639 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:52:32 +0200 (METDST) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:52:32 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Connecting a DCF77 receiver to RS232 port ? Message-ID: <20020429145232.A9570@bart.esiee.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I would like to connect a DCF77 radio receiver to the RS232 port in order to build a NTP server. Does xntpd support this ? 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To receive original message please contact postmaster: sysop168@etel.dn.ua Archive record: archive.msg.VO5xQc Antivirus service provided by Dr.Web Daemon (www.sald.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 15:44:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web20204.mail.yahoo.com (web20204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA4737B405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020429224454.67865.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.114.49.49] by web20204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:44:54 PDT Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: radhika sinha Subject: question regarding mrouted error To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: radsinha@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following warning in mrouted: --------------------------------------------------- warning - received IP data field too short(8 bytes) for IGMP --------------------------------------------------- I checked the value of IGMP_MINLEN field in igmp.h and it is 8 bytes, so infact I should not be getting this error. If I am correct, there are only 2 copies of igmp.h. One is in /usr/src/sys/netinet and the other in /usr/include/netinet. Please cc me in the reply since I am not a member of this mailing list. Thanks and regards, Radhika __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 16: 8:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from omta03.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A73537B41A for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta03.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA654A485 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DBD072756; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rohit Grover To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: larger kernel virtual address space Reply-To: rohit@gojuryu.com X-Originating-Ip: [65.194.57.194] Message-Id: <20020429230835.DBD072756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Hackers, I am running Freebsd-4.3RELEASE on a Intel 686 box with roughly 2GB of RAM. I want most of this RAM to be used for the buffer cache. I have been playing with cpu_startup() (i386/i386/machdep.c) with the intention of increasing 'nbuf' but I am limited by the size of the 'kernel_map'. kernel_map is limited to 1GB (am I right?). Is there a way to use >1GB of kernel virtual address space? thanks, Rohit. _____________________________________________________________ http://www.gojuryu.com . What Karate Do was meant to be. _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 16:17:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300BF37B41E for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E431C384F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 00B602756; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rohit Grover To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: larger kernel virtual address space Reply-To: rohit@gojuryu.com X-Originating-Ip: [65.194.57.194] Message-Id: <20020429231718.00B602756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I apologize for not checking the FAQs before asking the question. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/advanced.html#CHANGE-KERNEL-ADDRESS-SPACE How large can we make the KVA? _____________________________________________________________ http://www.gojuryu.com . What Karate Do was meant to be. _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Apr 29 23:12:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from slc.edu (weir-01c.slc.edu [207.106.89.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF2B37B400 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from anthony@localhost) by slc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3U6ErR12463 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 02:14:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from anthony) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 02:14:53 -0400 From: Anthony Schneider To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2903b SCSI card Message-ID: <20020430021453.A12403@mail.slc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline It appears that there is no support for the Adaptec 2903b SCSI card, but of course I could be wrong. I would like to get this card to work, so if anyone could point me to a painfully obvious url or some documentation on how to get it to work that I have clearly overlooked, I would be forever grateful. If not, I would be willing to code the driver myself, depending on the size of the job, as i'd have maybe 2 days to do it (starting in a week or two). If this is the case, could anyone point me to any documentation on an API for implementing SCSI device drivers? I see that people.freebsd.org/~gibbs is somewhat of a place to start as far as studying existing SCSI drivers, but if there's anything else, I'd be happy to know and perhaps even code the thing. Thanks! -Anthony. ----------------------------------------------- PGP key at: http://www.keyserver.net/ http://www.anthonydotcom.com/gpgkey/key.txt Home: http://www.anthonydotcom.com ----------------------------------------------- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzONl0ACgkQ+rDjkNht5F2lTQCeJNUzrGr6hRczlxAVKVdFSHTA ew4AnjYNfjLkmXYpSgfJQnc3s/S1BN+x =sNWA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 30 0:52: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from south.nanolink.com (south.nanolink.com [217.75.134.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8282F37B41A for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12881 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 07:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.ringlet.net) (212.116.140.125) by south.nanolink.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 07:58:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4203 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Apr 2002 07:44:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:44:45 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Terry Lambert Cc: Antoine Beaupre , hackers@FreeBSD.org, The Anarcat , freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: packaging base Message-ID: <20020430104445.E365@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Antoine Beaupre , hackers@FreeBSD.org, The Anarcat , freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.org References: <3CC73F29.1C6B1DA2@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3CC73F29.1C6B1DA2@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 04:26:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 04:26:33PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Antoine Beaupre wrote: > > Le Mercredi 24 avril 2002, a 11:12 , Mike Meyer a ecrit : > > > Your simple shell script has to prompt for floppies. That needs UI > > > code. The people who know have decided that the current UI code isn't > > > up to snuff. Hence libh. > >=20 > > Come on.. The current package system and sysinstall are quite good at > > prompting for a simple yes/no question. The issue is really not there, I > > think. >=20 > Actually, the prompting is problematic. All such questions should, > by definition, be front-loaded. Otherwise, you have to babysit the > installation process, which is never a good thing. Agreed in principle; however, in this particular case - prompting for floppies - it would be kind of hard to insert all the floppies before the start of the installation (cue good ol' "it doesn't fit!" stories ;) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 I've heard that this sentence is a rumor. --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzOS20ACgkQ7Ri2jRYZRVOihwCeInjpjGTBmkpn4LsAZsczXSaF EwcAnibJ1iLlht2jwUKyDFhB/l+W3ajY =O0yg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 30 1:29:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF95C37B400 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3U8SeqF033915 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:28:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD's birth announcement... From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:28:40 +0200 Message-ID: <33914.1020155320@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some time ago we discussed our projects approaching 10year birthday, and couldn't quite agree on the actual birthday. Here is the answer: From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Newsgroups: comp.os.386bsd.questions Subject: Re: What's "FreeBSD"? Date: 25 Jul 1993 21:14:59 GMT Organization: Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman MT, 59717 Lines: 132 Message-ID: <22ut4j$53o@pdq.coe.montana.edu> References: <22up8o$pvb@introl.introl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fubar.cs.montana.edu According to Tim Chase : >What's this "FreeBSD" thing I've been reading about in >the comp.os.386bsd groups over the last week or so? >Do I gather it's another NetBSD-like effort? > (What FreeBSD is about is down a few paragraphs, the next few are just a brief history of time). In the beginning, there was the void. And then the void started to fill with manic Unixites running a semi-OK port of BSD Unix to the 386 architecture. Version 0.0 stunk. It ran, but stunk. Along came 0.1, which worked better, but still needed massaging. The solution? A joint effort between the developer of 386bsd and the user community to provide patches, updates, fixes to aforementioned user community. What really happened? The original developer battened down the hatches, and wandered off into developing something called "0.2", which would do everything you ever wanted in a Unix, and more. So a nice man started putting together something called "the patchkit", which was a semi-organized method of getting fixes to the community. This first pioneer passed the reigns to young Nate Williams, right here at Moo-U, a hyperactive Unix guru wannabee with nothing but time on his hands. However, the demands of classes took their toll, and the patchkit passed on to first one person, and then finally 1 more. At this time, with the original developer of 386bsd off in "0.2-land", refusing to help or participate in any way with making 0.1 any better, the idea to form the "interim" group came about. The Interim Group's stated goal was to provide a "solid" (if that term can be used) 0.1 + all the patchkit baseline release, hopefully getting ready for the promised (and promised and promised) rapidly approaching fabled release of 0.2. Somewhere in this time frame, a few other code wizards got fed up with Jolitz and his general bizarreness, and formed a group called NetBSD. NetBSD is based somewhat on 386bsd, but has several advantages to 386bsd, in that for one thing, you can actually talk to a developer, and they won't wow you with epics about the fabled 0.2 release which will solve all your problems. Source snapshots are readily available, and NetBSD is being ported to other architectures, although I don't know much more about it than that. With what little communication there was between the Interim Group and WFJ rapidly falling by the wayside, (Through no fault of the IG, hell, I was there for a lot of it, and you wouldn't believe some of it), the final straw had been reached. And thus FreeBSD was formed. FreeBSD is essentially: 1) 0.1 with all the patchkits through 0.2.4, and other patches that would've made it into the full 0.1.5 "interim" release. 2) Most, if not all the utilities have been updated to latest releases, including the GNU stuff. 3) Many enhancements to the 0.1 +pk0.2.4 kernel have been incorporated, some of those coming from NetBSD. RockRidge support, New NPX and INTR code from bde, and other stuff has been integrated. 4) Essentially, we tried to pick the best things from 386bsd, NetBSD, and whatever other work people did to provide a new stable baseline to work on 386bsd. In FreeBSD's case, the main goal is stability, and smooth transitions from release to release. 5) FreeBSD is being configured for ease of installation (ie, go to /usr/src, fire off make, and see the world unfold), and configuration. 6) Finally, FreeBSD is being laid out with an eye toward CDROM distribution. What FreeBSD is not: 1) Leading edge/bleeding edge. NetBSD is probably a better choice here if you want to walk the edge. NetBSD is hacked and bashed on quite a bit, and occasionally some major changes are made, and it takes a while to get the kinks worked out. Some of these changes are to support the port to other architectures. FreeBSD is not under this stricture, so we don't necessarily have to make the changes involved. (I am not interested in debating the merits good or bad of the changes, as that appears pointless). 2) Evolving quickly. ie, the FreeBSD group is trying to provide a stable base to work on. Which means that you're not likely to see major changes in any of the code so much as just enhancements, bug fixes, and updates. Things like utilities and stuff. 3) Direct competition to NetBSD. We are not trying to "ace" out NetBSd in any way. In fact there are members of FreeBSD that belong to NetBSD lists, and vice versa. We have NetBSD people looking over our shoulders as well. The goals of NetBSD and FreeBSD differ, and which one you use is entirely up to you. (Before you ask, yes, there was talk of merging the two efforts. I will not go into it any more than to say that there are some strong personalities involved that made the combination difficult. Perhaps in the future). -- Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager (406) 994-4780 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717 osyjm@cs.montana.edu -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 30 4: 2:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-232-222-90.client.attbi.com [12.232.222.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E500E37B405 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3UB3ER11427; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 04:03:14 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Rohit Grover Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: larger kernel virtual address space Message-ID: <20020430040314.A11282@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Rohit Grover , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020429231718.00B602756@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020429231718.00B602756@sitemail.everyone.net>; from rohit@gojuryu.com on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:17:18PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Rohit Grover : > I apologize for not checking the FAQs before asking the question. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/advanced.html#CHANGE-KERNEL-ADDRESS-SPACE > > How large can we make the KVA? This was recently discussed in the thread ``FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?'' on the stable and current lists; you'll probably find the information you want in the archives. The short answer is that KVA + UVA <= 4 GB on x86. So you could raise KVA to 3 GB, for instance, but then any given user process would only be able to address 1 GB of virtual memory. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 30 11:22: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blondie.gower.net (blondie.gower.net [205.230.30.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934BD37B417 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from workbench2 (workbench2.gower.net [207.78.72.244]) by blondie.gower.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3UILpA18300 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:21:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jasonb@gower.net) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20020430132809.006875b0@mail.gower.net> X-Sender: jasonb@mail.gower.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:28:09 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Jason Branscum Subject: crash problem, please help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG reading thru old google news articles, says to email you guys with trace, crash err and dmesg. please let me know if I need to send more. this is all hand copied, please bear with me. is there any way to write the crash/trace to disk in the future? I'm also getting fatal trap 12 errors as well locking this machine up, unfortunatly i don't have one of those dumps handy yet. I've replaced the SCSI controller, scsi cable and NIC in the machine so far. Panic Err: dev = #da/0x2004, block = 9634, fs = /var panic: ffs_blkfree: freeing free frag debugger("panic") stopped at Debugger+0x34: movb $0,in_Debugger.426 Trace: Debugger (c02baf3b) panic (c02cd1c0,c02cd180,c1b3f994,25a2,c1b6e0d4) at panic+0x70 ffs_blkfree (c1c07e00,25a1,c00,0,d91eaecc) at ffs_blkfree+0x397 ffs_truncate (d91e4900,224,0,0,c1cee880) at ffs_truncate+0x92d ufs_setattr (d91eaeb8,d91eaf2c,c01b8653,d91eaeb8,ad178700) at ufs_setattr+0x1de ufs_unoperate (d91eaeb8,d9178700,4,d91eaf80,d91e4900)+0x15 ftruncate (d9178700,d91eaf80,28197427,0,80f1200)+0x113 syscall2 (2f,2f,2f,80f1200,0)+0x1f1 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0.25 dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #5: Sat Apr 27 15:06:32 CDT 2002 root@dithers.gower.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DITHERS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1544513052 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1800+ (1544.51-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x662 Stepping = 2 Features=0x383f9ff AMD Features=0xc0480000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> real memory = 805224448 (786352K bytes) avail memory = 780075008 (761792K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc038b000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00f1750 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 pci0: at 4.3 irq 12 chip1: at device 4.4 on pci0 chip2: port 0xb000-0xb003,0xb400-0xb403,0xb800-0xb8ff i$ ahc0: port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xe5000000-0xe50$ aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs pci0: at 12.0 irq 11 xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xa000-0xa07f mem 0xdf800000-0xdf8$ xl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:04:e3:1c:08 miibus0: on xl0 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3Com internal media interface> on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto orm0:

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--B0D5451A-A4D4-4169-8F97-8AE3C4E57278OPTIN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 16:46:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD1D37B419; Fri, 3 May 2002 16:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by glatton.cnchost.com id TAA15927; Fri, 3 May 2002 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200205032346.TAA15927@glatton.cnchost.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: JJ Behrens , Dave Hayes , Brooks Davis , Michael Sierchio , Drew Tomlinson , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: organic documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 May 2002 11:21:07 PDT." <3CD2D513.C6566342@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 16:46:12 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > JJ Behrens wrote: > > The online documentation for PHP allows users to post comments at the end o > f > > every page of the online documentation. Often times, these comments serve > to > > enlighten others about various quirks of the libraries. Perhaps doing the > same > > thing with the FreeBSD handbook pages (only online) might be a good idea. > > The problem with this (and the similar "FAQ-o-matic") approach > is that they are very deep. > > In other words, you have to go through a large set of branch > points to get to the information. > > Aside from the classification problem (everyone has to classify > the same way for them to be able to get the information out), > the human factors argue that the depth should not exceed 3 on > any set of choices, before you get to what you want (HCI studies > at Bell Labs confirms this number). It is interesting to note that the plan9 people from the same Bell Labs are using a wiki for "information pertinent to installing, configuring, and using the operating system Plan 9 from Bell Labs."! http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 17: 4:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806FC37B431; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0260.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.5] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 173n1X-00077E-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 17:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD3253D.1500D66@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:03:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bakul Shah Cc: JJ Behrens , Dave Hayes , Brooks Davis , Michael Sierchio , Drew Tomlinson , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: organic documentation References: <200205032346.TAA15927@glatton.cnchost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bakul Shah wrote: > > Aside from the classification problem (everyone has to classify > > the same way for them to be able to get the information out), > > the human factors argue that the depth should not exceed 3 on > > any set of choices, before you get to what you want (HCI studies > > at Bell Labs confirms this number). > > It is interesting to note that the plan9 people from the same > Bell Labs are using a wiki for "information pertinent to > installing, configuring, and using the operating system Plan > 9 from Bell Labs."! > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/index.html This is a perfect example of "everyone has to classify the same way". It also demonstrates the other problem of hierarchical categorization, which is that it's impossible to get a single document with all the information on it so it can be linearly searched (e.g. via a browser "find text"). You end up having to provide a seperate search facility (the Plan 9 wiki lacks one of these), and index the content to make it searchable. This generally isn't very satisfactory in realization, even if you provide such a search function, since what's an important keyword or key phrase to you is often not important to the indexing software (simple indexing fails to identify phrase matches at all, and you are stuck with a phrase being treated as unordered keywords). A good example of why simple indexing is bad is the search facility for the FreeBSD mailing list archives. The facility that's there is better than nothing, but it's unfortunately less useful than google (for example) when looking up specific topics and issues (e.g. try and find the OpenVRRP FreeBSD VRRP implementation via the mailing list search -- it's in there: google found it, but the local search engine didn't). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 17:11:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB2237B405 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g440BLf03595 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:11:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:11:21 -0400 From: Leo Bicknell To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP Message-ID: <20020504001121.GA3310@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200205030637.g436bab89675@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <20020503111558.A2534@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020503111558.A2534@alicia.nttmcl.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:15:58AM -0700, JJ Behrens wrote: > The online documentation for PHP allows users to post comments at the end of > every page of the online documentation. Often times, these comments serve to > enlighten others about various quirks of the libraries. Perhaps doing the same > thing with the FreeBSD handbook pages (only online) might be a good idea. Allowing random comments (alone) isn't useful. More often than not PHP comments are not useful, or outright wrong. That said, we need to break down the barriers to good documentation. I think we could learn something from slashdot.org here, in that the right solution might be not only to have comments, but also to have moderators. In this way the user community can not only submit comments, but also rank them so we separate the wheat from the chaff. In the case of documentation it would also be essential to remove highly moderated comments as they are integrated into the documentation. At the end of the day, we need to lower the barrier to adding documentation, while increasing the quality. Far from an easy task. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 17:12:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AB437B41D; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0260.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.5] helo=mindspring.com) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 173n9l-0006XU-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 17:12:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD3273B.1D8F54F4@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:11:39 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "R. David Murray" Cc: JJ Behrens , Dave Hayes , Brooks Davis , Michael Sierchio , Drew Tomlinson , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: organic documentation References: <20020503142917.H32803-100000@twirl.bitdance.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "R. David Murray" wrote: > Sorry for dropping in to the middle of a conversation, but this > comment puzzles me. I fail to see how: > > handbook + per-page comments from readers > > is *inferior* to: > > handbook with no comments > > given that the handbook maintainers do not have infinate time > to polish the handbook, nor infinate knowledge about the > quirks discoverd by the community. 1) Qualification of sources of information. Not every commenting reader is adding something other than "First Post! Nyah!". 2) Classification varies by individual; to present a coherent whole, not everyone can be an editor. This is why published collections of works have editors: to apply a uniform standard. 3) Disinformatoin is not discernable from information. Consider a dictionary created via a wiki: o Some people could order their entries by length, while others could order them alphabetically; o Is the Schlossen before or after the character "S", lexically? o Who checks the facts? o Copyright assignmnet (I guess you could "shrink wrap" this). > Good comments could be properly classified and incorporated into > the text as the maintainers have time. So you need an editor. I guess you are suggesting that they would be incorporated into the handbook itself? > On the other hand, I *can* see that it might be a non-trivial > project to integrate the documentation system with a web > comment system such that the two do not interfere with each other. A web comment system will interfere. It can't help it. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 17:40:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8AE37B41D; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by warspite.cnchost.com id UAA27885; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200205040040.UAA27885@warspite.cnchost.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: JJ Behrens , Dave Hayes , Brooks Davis , Michael Sierchio , Drew Tomlinson , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: organic documentation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 May 2002 17:03:09 PDT." <3CD3253D.1500D66@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:40:06 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > Bakul Shah wrote: > > > Aside from the classification problem (everyone has to classify > > > the same way for them to be able to get the information out), > > > the human factors argue that the depth should not exceed 3 on > > > any set of choices, before you get to what you want (HCI studies > > > at Bell Labs confirms this number). > > > > It is interesting to note that the plan9 people from the same > > Bell Labs are using a wiki for "information pertinent to > > installing, configuring, and using the operating system Plan > > 9 from Bell Labs."! > > > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/index.html > > This is a perfect example of "everyone has to classify the > same way". Agreeing on common convention makes it easier to collectively evolve a document. True for most things done by a large and disparate group. Also note that a plan9 person seems to act as an editor and he does correct/omit/note wrong/misleading entries. Wiki just happens to be a very easy medium to share your tidbit of knowledge. > It also demonstrates the other problem of hierarchical > categorization, which is that it's impossible to get a single > document with all the information on it so it can be linearly > searched (e.g. via a browser "find text"). I agree with you here. Frequently I prefer downloading archived emails when I subcribe to a new mailing list and scan through it linearly. But there is nothing that says you can't provide a linear editing history of the wiki or whatever. > since what's an important keyword or key phrase to you is > often not important to the indexing software (simple indexing > fails to identify phrase matches at all, and you are stuck > with a phrase being treated as unordered keywords). This is an open problem. Unless search engines start "digesting" documents using something like frames (ala Marvin Minsky) to create a structured representation, you don't have anything better. There is only so far you can go with just numerology (counting words, counting links to a webpage and so on). > A good example of why simple indexing is bad is the search > facility for the FreeBSD mailing list archives. The facility > that's there is better than nothing, but it's unfortunately > less useful than google (for example) when looking up specific > topics and issues (e.g. try and find the OpenVRRP FreeBSD VRRP > implementation via the mailing list search -- it's in there: > google found it, but the local search engine didn't). A good search facility is always welcome regardless of how information is organized. As I see it, you first want to make it easy for people to contribute knowledge while minimizing the organization they have to know and follow. Wiki seems to strike a good balance but undoubtedly there will be better ways to do it. When there is a good enough collection, it does make sense to reorganize it in a better format. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 22:45: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-25.dis.org [216.240.45.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F72937B405 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 22:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g445hLh00384; Fri, 3 May 2002 22:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200205040543.g445hLh00384@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Doug White Cc: "PSI, Mike Smith" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PnP OS Problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 May 2002 15:47:00 PDT." <20020501154352.B81172-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 22:43:21 -0700 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > itself (since it likes to). FreeBSD does not have code to handle > assigning PNP resources, or at least code that works well :) (There is the > PNPBIOS kernel option, but I'm not sure that works anymore.) The PNPBIOS option just implements another accessor method; resource allocation is a separate (and unsolved) problem. = Mike -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 3 23:27:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-25.dis.org [216.240.45.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B6637B416 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 23:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g446Q9h00791; Fri, 3 May 2002 23:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200205040626.g446Q9h00791@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: naive i386 && FreeBSD interrupt question In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:27:33 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:26:09 -0700 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This was -stable- but it's really a hacker's question. > > I really am *not* much of an i386 weenie and I'll have to admit that I don't > fully understand the interrupt mask scheme and I ran into a troubling problem > . > > I was running some very extensive tests on a dual processor (but not SMP > configured) system- I was in the middle of calling busdma_load from the isp > driver when I got interrupted and blew up fielding an isp interrupt. You call isp_intr out of isp_watchdog; any chance that the timeout could have gone off and dumped you in there? Otherwise, no, you should not have had your interrupt handler reentered while it was masked. You shouldn't have to call splsoftvm() when calling the busdma code; it should take whatever locks it needs at the time. Knowing the contents of cpl vs. the CAM spl mask and the actual interrupt in question would be useful, as would the stack backtrace from the explosion (ie. when you say "got interrupted" was the backtrace through the actual interrupt entry point?) = Mike -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 3:30:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web21105.mail.yahoo.com (web21105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 308CE37B400 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 03:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020504103026.45812.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 03:30:26 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 03:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: deltas for sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c and sys/kern/vfs_subr.c To: Bosko Milekic , Matt Dillon Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020503180121.A72398@unixdaemons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Bosko Milekic wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 10:45:32PM +0100, Hiten Pandya wrote: > > I am submitting a patch which removes the register keyword from > > sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c. The reason I am doing this is very simple. > > > > The 'register' keyword has no effect, as compilers do enough > optimizations > > on their own. Also, I have seen commits made before which do the same > > thing which I am doing now. I have talked about this patch with > jmallett, > > and various other developers. > > > > This patch is located at: > > http://storm.uk.FreeBSD.org/~hiten/diffs/vfs_syscalls.diff.1 > > Looks good. Cool. Any chance of getting it committed. Note, I also did an md(5) test and both vfs_syscalls.o came out with the same checksum. > > The second issue, is what I am not very sure about, but I had a little > > discussion about this with rwatson. The vfs_subr.c module contains > > a large #if 0'ed section, which basically contains some sysctls. I > > think it has been forgotten for removal, so I am submitting a delta which > > can be used to remove that #if 0'ed section. > > > > Note, I am not very sure about this, that is why I am posting this to > > -hackers. > > > > The patch is located at: > > http://storm.uk.FreeBSD.org/~hiten/diffs/vfs_subr.c.diff.1 > > I don't think that removing the code is a problem. The real person to > ask would be dillon, since he was the one who placed the #if 0 around > the block. Matt, what do you think about it; do you think that there is chance of removing that section of code? It has been lying there for ages. If you think it can be removed, I will be greatful if you can commit my delta for it. Regards, -- Hiten __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 9:31:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2A737B417; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g44GUug26324; Sat, 4 May 2002 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Michael Smith Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: naive i386 && FreeBSD interrupt question In-Reply-To: <200205040626.g446Q9h00791@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 May 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > > > > This was -stable- but it's really a hacker's question. > > > > I really am *not* much of an i386 weenie and I'll have to admit that I don't > > fully understand the interrupt mask scheme and I ran into a troubling problem > > . > > > > I was running some very extensive tests on a dual processor (but not SMP > > configured) system- I was in the middle of calling busdma_load from the isp > > driver when I got interrupted and blew up fielding an isp interrupt. > > You call isp_intr out of isp_watchdog; any chance that the timeout could > have gone off and dumped you in there? The callstack didn't show isp_watchdog- it also calls splcam() > > Otherwise, no, you should not have had your interrupt handler reentered > while it was masked. You shouldn't have to call splsoftvm() when calling > the busdma code; it should take whatever locks it needs at the time. > > Knowing the contents of cpl vs. the CAM spl mask and the actual interrupt > in question would be useful, as would the stack backtrace from the > explosion (ie. when you say "got interrupted" was the backtrace through > the actual interrupt entry point?) > Yes- that's the problematic thingie. I haven't reproduced it yet and didn't save the stack, but basically it was in the middle of call to the budma code when isp_intr was executed. If I see it again, I'll stay in DDB and spend more time. This was at a client's lab and running maybe 5000+ interrupts/sec pumping stuff thru Fibre Channel. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 10:27:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791DD37B4CE for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g44HAfB15326; Sat, 4 May 2002 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200205041710.g44HAfB15326@apollo.backplane.com> To: Hiten Pandya Cc: Bosko Milekic , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: deltas for sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c and sys/kern/vfs_subr.c References: <20020504103026.45812.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> > Note, I am not very sure about this, that is why I am posting this to :> > -hackers. :> > :> > The patch is located at: :> > http://storm.uk.FreeBSD.org/~hiten/diffs/vfs_subr.c.diff.1 :> :> I don't think that removing the code is a problem. The real person to :> ask would be dillon, since he was the one who placed the #if 0 around :> the block. : :Matt, what do you think about it; do you think that there is chance of :removing that section of code? It has been lying there for ages. If you :think it can be removed, I will be greatful if you can commit my delta for :it. : :Regards, : : -- Hiten Yes, the code can be safely removed. I #if 0'd it out last October when I redid the vnode recycling code. We're not going to be going back to the old way of doing things so this code is definitely obsolete and can be removed. 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--B0D5451A-A4D4-4169-8F97-8AE3C4E57278OPTIN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 13:19:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CDA37B405 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFC83F45 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 12:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:19:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: using cvsup to put the same collection in two places Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010505162115.1FFC83F45@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The objective: I want the same collection in two different places, but I want to use two different refuse files. Some parts of the collection I don't want in one location. The background: I'm playing with phpAdsNew. I've just imported it into my cvs tree for my website. I use https to administer the site. As such, I'd prefer not to have the phpAdsNew/admin/ directory in the public section of the website. I'd like to be able to cvsup phpAdsNew to my website into two different locations (this I can do already) and have a refuse file for one and not for the other (this is where I'm failing). What I've tried: At present I have these two supfiles: This puts the collection in the https section of the website: less ~/phpAdsAdmin-supfile *default host=localhost *default base=/home/freebsddiary/admin *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default umask=007 *default preserve fbsd-phpAds This puts the collection in the http section of the website: $ less ~/phpAds-supfile *default host=localhost *default base=/home/freebsddiary *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default umask=007 *default preserve fbsd-phpAds Normally a refuse file would go into /home/freebsddiary/sup/ where col is the name of the collection (in this case it's fbsd-phpAds). With the above setup I can have only one refuse file. I need two. So I tried creating a second collection (fbsd-phpAdsAdmin) which merely pointed at the original collection. Sadly, this didn't create a /home/freebsddiary/sup/phpAdsAdmin as I hoped. Any clues? Thanks. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 14:51:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2AC37B419; Sat, 4 May 2002 14:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g44Lonb5033553; Sat, 4 May 2002 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Request for submissions: FreeBSD Bi-Monthly Development Status Report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a solicitation for submissions for the February 2002 - April 2002 FreeBSD Bi-Monthly Development Status Report. All submissions are due by May 10, 2002. Submissions should be made by filling out the template found at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/news/status/report-sample.xml Submissions must then be e-mailed to the following address: robert+freebsd.monthly@cyrus.watson.org For automatic processing. Reports must be submitted in the XML format described, or they will be silently dropped. Submissions made to other e-mail addresses will be ignored. Status reports should be submitted once per project, although project developers may choose to submit additional reports on specific sub-projects of substantial size. Status reports are typically one or two short paragraphs, but the text may be up to 20 lines in length. Submissions are welcome on a variety of topics relating to FreeBSD, including development, documentation, advocacy, and development processes. Prior status reports may be viewed at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/news/status/ (Yes, I'm aware that February through April is three months, not two months, but for personal reasons, I was unavailable to solicit reports at the end of March. Please go ahead and cover the three-month period, and ignore the fact that the report is entitled bi-monthly, that's because this is a form letter.) Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 4 21:43:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (draco.over-yonder.net [198.78.58.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1532537B425 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 21:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 6E5CAFC4; Sat, 4 May 2002 23:43:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:43:17 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Jeff Jirsa Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bug in pw, freebsd 4.5 Message-ID: <20020504234317.A21048@over-yonder.net> References: <20020502173110.B22449@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5-fullermd.1i In-Reply-To: ; from jjirsa@odin.ac.hmc.edu on Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:38:47PM -0700 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:38:47PM -0700 I heard the voice of Jeff Jirsa, and lo! it spake thus: > > Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but /var/run seems like the more > logical answer. Read-only / filesystems would have a hard time creating > temp lock files in /etc. If nothing else, make it something that's > easily configurable to avoid problems with read only filesystems. Well, read-only / filesystems would have a hard time creating /etc/master.passwd.new in the middle of pw's actions, too :) /var/run isn't a perfect choice, but it doesn't seem a bad one, and there's rather a bit of precedent for using it for state files, which I'd call a lock file (PID files, Apache stores some state, log/named sockets, etc). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message