From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 10 4: 7:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5018F37B417; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1AC70112360; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:07:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200202101207.g1AC70112360@lurza.secnetix.de> Subject: Re: USB "Memorybird" quirks To: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us (Chris Dillon) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:07:00 +0100 (CET) Cc: oliver.fromme@secnetix.de (Oliver Fromme), jhb@FreeBSD.ORG (John Baldwin), groudier@free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard_Roudier?=), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers Mailing List), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hardware Mailing List), olli@secnetix.de (Oliver Fromme), gene@nttmcl.com (Eugene M. Kim), tlambert2@mindspring.com (Terry Lambert), joe@tao.org.uk (Josef Karthauser) In-Reply-To: from "Chris Dillon" at Feb 09, 2002 01:51:32 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Dillon wrote: > On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > I think that would be a very good idea. The boot software issue > > is negligible, because there aren't any USB devices you can boot > > from. > > You mean can't boot from USB devices in just FreeBSD, or anywhere? > I've not actually tried it yet, but many motherboard vendors have > added the ability to boot from USB ZIP drives and probably other USB > mass storage devices to their BIOSes, so it at least should be > possible. Good point. I didn't know that (my BIOSes certainly can't do that). Then I'd be interested how those BIOSes access the umass devices. They certainly don't contain a list of quirks, and I guess they don't try 6-byte commands at all and then fall back to 10-byte. According to Gérard's information, I assume that all USB umass devices are new enough to be able to handle 10-byte commands. USB is certainly newer than the SCSI-2 standard. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 10 17:13:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EB937B43C; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id AA35F3EE; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:13:00 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Oliver Fromme Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: USB "Memorybird" quirks Message-ID: <20020211011300.A22401@genius.tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Oliver Fromme , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200202072046.g17KkSM05459@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200202072046.g17KkSM05459@lurza.secnetix.de>; from olli@secnetix.de on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:46:28PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:46:28PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've got a small problem with a nice little thing called > "USB Memorybird" (Fujitsu-Siemens) ... > I've created a patch to RELENG_4 to include the USB advances that are in -current but which haven't been MFC'd yet. It's at http://www.josef-k.net/misc/RELENG_4-USB-20020210.patch.gz You may find that it helps your problem. I'd be interested in feedback. Joe. p.s. I've not tested this patch set at all on a -stable box. All the usual disclaimers apply. --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxnGpwACgkQXVIcjOaxUBY7qgCfaA4RCxFTwIYjivPwkye/nrE+ MxQAn0zyonYrGWKpjSW0ij2NFUZSPp3Y =Z7zu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 11 23:47: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web13602.mail.yahoo.com (web13602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FB0F37B4EA for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020212073903.5218.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.110.209.122] by web13602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:39:03 PST Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Veysel Koybasi Subject: RE: USB Keyboard... To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Use kbdcontrol to change the console keyboard to > /dev/kbd1. You > can create a script that runs at startup time in > /usr/local/etc/rc.d to automate this. Thanks a lot for your help. But I am a new user in using FreeBSD and therefore I dont know how to automate this. Can you help me about creating scripts in that folder or does it mean that every script written in that directory? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 12 5:10:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web13605.mail.yahoo.com (web13605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7019537B41A for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020212130647.17409.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.110.209.122] by web13605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:06:47 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: Veysel Koybasi Subject: RE: USB Keyboard... To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Use kbdcontrol to change the console keyboard to > /dev/kbd1. You > can create a script that runs at startup time in > /usr/local/etc/rc.d to automate this. Thanks a lot for your help. But I am a new user in using FreeBSD and therefore I dont know how to automate this. Can you help me about creating scripts in that folder or does it mean that every script written in that directory runs automatically at boot time? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 12 23:24: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web13602.mail.yahoo.com (web13602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D740F37B402 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020213072359.44378.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.110.209.122] by web13602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:23:59 PST Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Veysel Koybasi Subject: Re: USB Keyboard... To: David Bogen Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3C694FCC.6050201@bogen.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks a lot for your help... --- David Bogen wrote: > create kbd-redirect.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d with > the following contents: > > #!/bin/sh > > case $1 in > start) > /usr/sbin/kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1 < > /dev/console > /dev/null > echo "USB Keyboard Switchover" > ;; > stop) > ;; > *) > echo "Usage: `basename $0` {start|stop}" > ;; > esac > > As root: > > chmod 555 /usr/local/etc/rc.d/kbd-redirect.sh > > Veysel Koybasi wrote: > >>Use kbdcontrol to change the console keyboard to > >>/dev/kbd1. You > >>can create a script that runs at startup time in > >>/usr/local/etc/rc.d to automate this. > >> > > > > Thanks a lot for your help. But I am a new > user in > > using FreeBSD and therefore I dont know how to > > automate this. Can you help me about creating > scripts > > in that folder or does it mean that every script > > written in that directory runs automatically at > boot time? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 13 4:53:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from t0uch.tps.sk (t0uch.slovenska.sk [195.28.69.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D426C37B400 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 662 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 12:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rovnakova) (195.168.217.131) by gh0st.tps.sk with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 12:52:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:50:55 +0100 From: rdezorzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53t) Reply-To: rdezorzo Organization: DetronicS X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2813667913.20020213135055@detronics.sk> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Lucent Technologies WaveLAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have problem with WaveLAN card on FreeBSD 4.5 stable. Card is installed on system, and no route to network. Network setting is: default dateway 195.168.217.129 interfaces rl0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 wi0 195.168.217.131 netmask 255.255.255.224 - to INTERNET DNS 195.168.1.4 to rl0 interface route use NAT conpiled in KERNEL. office# ifconfig wi0 wi0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 195.168.217.131 netmask 0xffffffe0 broadcast 195.168.217.159 inet6 fe80::202:2dff:fe01:fecc%wi0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7 ether 00:02:2d:01:fe:cc media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect (DS/2Mbps) status: associated ssid detronics01 stationname "FreeBSD WaveLAN/IEEE node" channel 12 authmode NONE powersavemode OFF powersavesleep 100 wepmode OFF weptxkey 1 office# Address 195.168.217.131 from BSD computer have fisical access: office# ping 195.168.217.131 PING 195.168.217.131 (195.168.217.131): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.227 ms 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.121 ms 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.119 ms 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.118 ms 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.127 ms 64 bytes from 195.168.217.131: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.121 ms ^C --- 195.168.217.131 ping statistics --- 6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.118/0.139/0.227/0.040 ms office# setting to my wireless network is: ESSID: detronics01 channel: 12 type: structure net (with access point) list from WaveLAN on BSD: office# wicontrol NIC serial number: [ 00UT37443995 ] Station name: [ office ] SSID for IBSS creation: [ detronics01 ] Current netname (SSID): [ detronics01 ] Desired netname (SSID): [ detronics01 ] Current BSSID: [ 00:60:b3:10:06:bc ] Channel list: [ 8191 ] IBSS channel: [ 2467 ] Current channel: [ 12 ] Comms quality/signal/noise: [ 41 91 50 ] Promiscuous mode: [ Off ] Port type (1=BSS, 3=ad-hoc): [ 1 ] MAC address: [ 00:02:2d:01:fe:cc ] TX rate (selection): [ 3 ] TX rate (actual speed): [ 2 ] RTS/CTS handshake threshold: [ 2347 ] Create IBSS: [ Off ] Access point density: [ 1 ] Power Mgmt (1=on, 0=off): [ 0 ] Max sleep time: [ 100 ] WEP encryption: [ Off ] TX encryption key: [ 1 ] Encryption keys: [ ][ ][ ][ ] office# What is problem, but all is O.K.? Best Regards, from Robert --------------------------------------------- Róbert Dezorzo - Detronics Bystrický rad 1 96001 ZVOLEN SLOVAKIA Tel:+421455401080 Fax:+421455401081 E-mail: rdezorzo@detronics.sk E-mail to mobile: robomobil@detronics.sk WEB: www.detronics.sk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 13 11:56: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ctron-dnm.ctron.com (ctron-dnm.enterasys.com [12.25.1.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B8F37B447; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA19685; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(134.141.72.253) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com via smap (4.1) id xma019644; Wed, 13 Feb 02 15:04:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (roam [134.141.190.162]) by olympus.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00790; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:54:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:51:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Bernie Doehner X-X-Sender: bdoehner@kw.wireless.net To: questions@freebsd.org, , Subject: Re: trouble with PCMCIA running 4.4-RELEASE or 5.0-CURRENT on Tecra 8000 Message-ID: <20020213144712.D370-100000@kw.wireless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just for documentation and whoever reads this thread in the future. All my problems were fixed when I installed 4.5-RELEASE. I can run with the PCMCIA controller set to autoselect or PCIC. Thanks to all of you who chimed in with suggestions. Bernie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- === Bernie Doehner === === Firmware Engineer Enterasys Networks, Inc. === === bdoehner@enterasys.com 35 Industrial Way === === Office: (603) 337-1315 Rochester, NH 03866 === ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan M. Bresler To: bdoehner@enterasys.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org, mobile@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: trouble with PCMCIA running 4.4-RELEASE or 5.0-CURRENT on Tecra 8000 > I am trying to get 4.4-RELEASE or 5.0-CURRENT (I don't really care which one) > running on a Toshiba Tecra 8000 laptop, but Toshiba in their infinite > wisdom seems to have forced all devices to use IRQ 11 (which the > latest BIOS reports are the "PCI IRQ"). Bernie, i am writing this email to you from my toshiba tecra 8000 running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE over a wireless PCMCIA link to my gateway and then out to hub.freebsd.orfg. it works just fine. > This breaks the PCMCIA driver in 4.4-RELEASE and 5.0-CURRENT (default > installation). I have tried various changes, such as using polled mode > for the PCMCIA driver (under BSD), and the closest I got my > Xircom 10/100 PCMCIA ethernet card to work is getting the card to transmit > (and actualy got the transmit done interrupt), but no receipt interrupt. i did not install via the PCMCIA but rather from CDROM. can you do the same? once you have it installed, you can then try the Xircom card. the problem may reside in the card, its driver or some interaction. only two items are different in our dmesg outputs...the quantity of memory and the size of the hard disk. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 14 4:45:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cric.chemres.hu (cric.chemres.hu [193.224.146.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C80737B41E for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuti@localhost) by cric.chemres.hu (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g1ECj5Y06509 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:45:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:45:05 +0100 From: Kuti Zsolt Message-Id: <200202141245.g1ECj5Y06509@cric.chemres.hu> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AC97 on DTK board Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, I have got an MS-6380 LE mainboard with an integrated Sound Blaster/Direct Sound AC 97 audio (quote from manual), but can't get sound card working. I tried to load modules (pcm and every possible additional), compiled pcm into the kernel, changed slot of other PCI devices without success. Has anybody succeeded with audio of such a board? Please cc to me as well, I am not on the list. Many thanks Zsolt $ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Feb 1 2002 15:28:02 Installed devices: My dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #1: Fri Feb 1 15:28:04 CET 2002 root@kuti:/usr/src/sys/compile/TINCA Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (1399.76-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x644 Stepping = 4 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> real memory = 268369920 (262080K bytes) avail memory = 256303104 (250296K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04eb000. Preloaded elf module "libmchain.ko" at 0xc04eb09c. Preloaded elf module "smbfs.ko" at 0xc04eb140. netsmb_dev: loaded Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00f7df0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xd800-0xd87f mem 0xdfffff80-0xdfff ffff irq 10 at device 7.0 on pci0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:04:76:25:79:44 miibus0: on xl0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isab0: at device 17.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xff00-0xff0f at device 17.1 on pci 0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 5 at device 17.2 on pc i0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 5 at device 17.3 on pc i0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 17.4 on pc i0 usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3059) at 17.5 irq 10 orm0: