From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 17: 1: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from newmail.skyrunner.net (newmail.skyrunner.net [208.133.44.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D9B37B41A for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from micron (athena.skyrunner.net [208.150.25.130]) by newmail.skyrunner.net (8.11.2/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g31110G16788 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:01:00 -0500 From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: transmit underflow. Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:01:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, I've got two digital 4 port Ethernet cards in a system acting as a router. I get a lot of these after startup. What does all this mean? Mar 31 19:44:59 zeus /kernel: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow (raising TX threshold to 128|512) I've also recently had a problem with 'too many stray IRQ's' Which effectively took one of these interfaces down. These digital cards run rather hot. Any suggestions on multiport network cards? Thanks, Peter Brezny Skyrunner.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 17:14:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0457F37B419 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16rpbF-0002sJ-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:23:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: transmit underflow. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Peter Brezny wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've got two digital 4 port Ethernet cards in a system acting as a router. > I get a lot of these after startup. What does all this mean? > > Mar 31 19:44:59 zeus /kernel: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow > (raising TX threshold to 128|512) See the archives. The cards are starving for transmit data, so the threshold is increased. You might want to use a motherboard with a better PCI implementation, or multiple PCI buses. Lots of server motherboards have two to three PCI buses. Or, use 64bit PCI motherboard and a single GigE card with VLANs instead. > I've also recently had a problem with 'too many stray IRQ's' Remove or disable the device that is doing that. > Which effectively took one of these interfaces down. These digital cards > run rather hot. Any suggestions on multiport network cards? Better cooling perhaps? 16 ethernet ports is going to generate heat no matter how you do it. > Thanks, > > Peter Brezny > Skyrunner.net > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 17:28:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rack.purplecat.net (rack.purplecat.net [208.133.44.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5092837B416 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 35126 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 01:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO micron) (208.150.25.130) by mx1.skyrunner.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 01:28:51 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: "Tom Samplonius" Cc: Subject: RE: transmit underflow. Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 20:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks a lot Tom. I didn't know you could implement vland on a single card. I suspect that the amount I am carying on this router could be run through two quality 100megabit cards. When you say multiple vlans on a single interface, do you just mean adding aliases to the cards ifconfig to handle multiple subnets? If that's the case, I'm already doing so. We're a wireless isp, and I've been trying to reduce the number of arp broadcasts that go down a physical wireless segment to keep the radio's happy (hence the large number of physically separate ports. What's the preference for multiport cards out there now? I've got two adaptec quartet64 (ana--62044) 4 port cards on the shelf. Freebsd didn't seem to like them on the motherboard I was trying to use (32 bit i think) even though they say they will work fine at 32 bit. Thanks again Peter Brezny Skyrunner.net -----Original Message----- From: Tom Samplonius [mailto:tom@sdf.com] Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:23 PM To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: transmit underflow. On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Peter Brezny wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've got two digital 4 port Ethernet cards in a system acting as a router. > I get a lot of these after startup. What does all this mean? > > Mar 31 19:44:59 zeus /kernel: de0: abnormal interrupt: transmit underflow > (raising TX threshold to 128|512) See the archives. The cards are starving for transmit data, so the threshold is increased. You might want to use a motherboard with a better PCI implementation, or multiple PCI buses. Lots of server motherboards have two to three PCI buses. Or, use 64bit PCI motherboard and a single GigE card with VLANs instead. > I've also recently had a problem with 'too many stray IRQ's' Remove or disable the device that is doing that. > Which effectively took one of these interfaces down. These digital cards > run rather hot. Any suggestions on multiport network cards? Better cooling perhaps? 16 ethernet ports is going to generate heat no matter how you do it. > Thanks, > > Peter Brezny > Skyrunner.net > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 17:37: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A577137B419 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16rpwf-0002uG-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:45:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:45:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: transmit underflow. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, Peter Brezny wrote: > Thanks a lot Tom. > > I didn't know you could implement vland on a single card. > > I suspect that the amount I am carying on this router could be run through > two quality 100megabit cards. I imagine that would also reduce PCI bus contention. > When you say multiple vlans on a single interface, do you just mean adding > aliases to the cards ifconfig to handle multiple subnets? If that's the > case, I'm already doing so. No, VLAN trunking. Run a VLAN trunk into a trunk port on a switch, and break out your VLANs into ports as needed. You need to have a decent switch for this though. A Catalyst 2924XL would do nicely. > We're a wireless isp, and I've been trying to reduce the number of arp > broadcasts that go down a physical wireless segment to keep the radio's > happy (hence the large number of physically separate ports. So does each physical port go to separate wireless bridge/AP? Sounds ideal for VLAN trunking. > What's the preference for multiport cards out there now? I'm not sure. It sounds like many have abandoned such things for GigE cards and trunking. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 31 21:25:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xela.oopz.com (xela.oopz.com [209.20.244.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FA637B405 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:25:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: clustering Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:25:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: clustering Thread-Index: AcHZPaCde0tPWDP3Raajn+/2UcX/SQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 From: "Noah Davidson" To: "FreeBSD-ISP List (E-mail)" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org we want to try to create a cluster mainly for Apache and FTP services. = Does anyone have any suggestions of software for clustering or any = problems that have occurred. Thanks Noah Davidson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Apr 1 1:20:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A96A37B416 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 01:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16rxwF-0006Y2-02; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:17:19 +0200 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.229.208.87]) by fmrl10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 16rxw6-0Z8gUaC; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:17:10 +0200 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g319Gx9X000704; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:17:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200204010917.g319Gx9X000704@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:16:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: clustering To: Noah@oopz.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31 Mär, Noah Davidson wrote: > we want to try to create a cluster mainly for Apache and FTP services. > Does anyone have any suggestions of software for clustering or any > problems that have occurred. http://www.leidinger.net/cgi-bin/search.pl?q=cluster&num=10 Bye, Alexander. -- Intel: where Quality is job number 0.9998782345! http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 7:55: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1785537B436 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 76904 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 15:52:34 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-130-104.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.130.104) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 15:52:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:54:01 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/36) Educational Reply-To: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1815135594.20020401175401@buz.ch> To: "Noah Davidson" Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mirror In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Noah, Friday, January 11, 2002, 7:08:56 AM, you wrote: > We need to mirror some web servers. We are using FreeBSD. Does > anyone have any suggestions of software or any other suggestions to > use? I am hoping someone else has already had experience with this > could give me some pointers. Well that largely depends on what you're trying to achieve. If you don't need realtime mirroring, rsync or cpdup (both in ports) do quite a good job, to mirror other websites, I'd say look into mirror or wget and if you need realtime mirroring, you're going to have to implement something on your own... Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPKh0jcZa2WpymlDxAQFIvggAhKdnfXYveRIdxbrMfK66XRR1fNU39sgq UM/NWPE3ULSEuwwUhJKlZU4UGWI0Bp3RoSEittc8VKqVCuSuikM6qSgifeVF/Rf9 c5GkQjGH3hiV5tNBbtok3VtEJ9ztn8Tg05MzSf2ZcAOAXP1Li9gZjeXAdBQpic5r BVT9SD3vpjIdt7pKLoXX4RIXdNPVxBmQE9DgW0fPeLLFIORT0vBF4cFx8IzreZft UFMNbyqokX2CUd8ipefWPpC3/glxiUlRMs2aOvShGr+XYPFwchpqNkZWGauMWZ1T XsRW2CfzjZrn2BedG4FRTKaUpuNihHfL9jo8urSc0lRmUnchF0uwKA== =tIVE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 12:11: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [65.165.120.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5D337B434 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ADAMKUJ.amplex.net (adam-laptop.amplex.net [65.165.120.146]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g32K8qh15380 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:08:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402143726.02469128@pop3.amplex.net> X-Sender: adamkuj@pop3.amplex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:10:52 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support Subject: kern.ngroups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On a FreeBSD 4.4 system, I want to increase the value of kern.ngroups. I've setup /etc/sysctl.conf to set the value, but it doesn't work -- dmesg reports back "oid 'kern.ngroups' is read only". I tried to override the default value by putting "options NGROUPS_MAX=256" in my kernel config and recompiling, but it fails with "unknown option "NGROUPS_MAX"". Do I have to modify the value in the source code to get this to work? The value is set in /usr/src/sys/sys/syslimits.h. If I make the change there, do I just have to rebuild the kernel, or do I have to 'make world' to get the new value to work? Thanks, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 17:39:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from coloradosurf.com (12-253-160-7.client.attbi.com [12.253.160.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F7B37B419 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coloradosurf.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g331dRm28663 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mike) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:39:21 -0700 From: Mike To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: DNS being really weird Message-ID: <20020402183921.A28646@coloradosurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This just happened: 1.We host a domain: rockwellclub.com. 2.The domain is not expired. Do a whois and it shows our nameservers as having SOA (and it's not expired :). 3.If I "dig" a random nameserver (i.e. my @home isp), for the domain, I don't get it (I just get the root nameserver info). (if I ping it I get unable to resolve hostname). 4.If I dig @ns1.officeonweb.net, I get the correct response. 5.All other domains (well, except for 3 or 4) are resolving fine. The nameserver appears to be working as normal. No recent changes have been made (running named 8.2.3-REL). Network Solutions just took over our registrar :-(. Am I overlooking something stupid?? Is NS jacking with things? Clues for the Clueless? Please Cc: me as I'm not subscribed to -isp TIA, mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 18: 6:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [65.165.120.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233DE37B41D for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ADAMKUJ.amplex.net (ns1.gatordog.com [198.30.156.155]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3324Ff50956 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:04:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020402210334.00acf808@pop3.amplex.net> X-Sender: adamkuj@pop3.amplex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:06:15 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support Subject: Re: DNS being really weird In-Reply-To: <20020402183921.A28646@coloradosurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For whatever reason, your domain does not appear in the global top level domain (.com/.net/.org) zone file. You can verify this with 'dig @a.gtld-servers.net rockwellclub.com'. There is something wrong at your registrar (Network Solutions) and they will need to fix it for you. I'd send you their toll-free support number, but I'm out of the office right now and don't have that information handy. Good luck. -Adam At 06:39 PM 4/2/2002 -0700, Mike wrote: >This just happened: > >1.We host a domain: rockwellclub.com. >2.The domain is not expired. Do a whois and it shows our >nameservers as having SOA (and it's not expired :). >3.If I "dig" a random nameserver (i.e. my @home isp), for the >domain, I don't get it (I just get the root nameserver info). >(if I ping it I get unable to resolve hostname). >4.If I dig @ns1.officeonweb.net, I get the correct response. >5.All other domains (well, except for 3 or 4) are resolving >fine. The nameserver appears to be working as normal. No >recent changes have been made (running named 8.2.3-REL). > >Network Solutions just took over our registrar :-(. > >Am I overlooking something stupid?? > >Is NS jacking with things? > >Clues for the Clueless? > > >Please Cc: me as I'm not subscribed to -isp > >TIA, > >mike > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message Adam Kujawski adamkuj@amplex.net Network Administrator Cell: 419.261.3268 Amplex Internet Services Office: 419.720.3635 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Apr 2 23:19:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B6737B419 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 1872F16B1C; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:19:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from LenConrad.Go2France.com [193.252.44.38] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1DD28D00372; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:40:13 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403090951.026cbdb8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:18:54 +0200 To: Mike From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: DNS being really weird Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020402183921.A28646@coloradosurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >1.We host a domain: rockwellclub.com. absent from the .com parents >2.The domain is not expired. Do a whois and it shows our >nameservers as having SOA (and it's not expired :). absent from the .com parents = inaccessible by Internet :(( >3.If I "dig" a random nameserver (i.e. my @home isp), for the >domain, I don't get it (I just get the root nameserver info). aka a "referral" >(if I ping it I get unable to resolve hostname). are you starting to get the picture? :) >Network Solutions just took over our registrar :-(. > >Am I overlooking something stupid?? not stupid, just fundamental. rockwellclub.com is not delegated by the .com parents. Check with network solutions as to why the domain's delegations records have not been loaded into the .com parents. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 8:50:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from norad.inetu.net (norad.inetu.net [209.235.223.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4680D37B416 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dec2@localhost) by norad.inetu.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25673 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:50:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:50:48 -0500 (EST) From: dec2 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had a quick question for ISP's and Web Hosting Companies out there. We give our hosting customers free access to web reports (Through say webalizer). We measure customer bandwidth usage for unique IP address customers through IPFW - which counts all data for their IP address. Does anyone have good ways to explain to customers why actual bandwidth used can vary greatly from web reports? Sometimes with reports only reporting on 50% of actual bandwidth used? We have tried to explain overhead, real audio files being excluded, etc. However - I think at this point - it might be beneficial to point the customer to 3rd party information. Anyone able to offer any help? Thanks in advance... -Dev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 9:33:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from infiniteloop.ca (infiniteloop.ca [216.126.86.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159B837B41D for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E7561D8; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mia.samurai.com (xtreme4-17.aci.on.ca [216.183.16.17]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F30C61D1; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:05:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403120306.02e0ab68@mailbox.samurai.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:04:10 -0500 To: dec2 From: Blake Crosby Subject: Re: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could it also be FTP/mail traffic? I think also web logs dont take into account the headers that the web server sends as well. Although not a lot of data, I can see it adding up. Blake At 11:50 AM 4/3/2002 -0500, dec2 wrote: >I had a quick question for ISP's and Web Hosting Companies out there. > >We give our hosting customers free access to web reports (Through say >webalizer). > >We measure customer bandwidth usage for unique IP address customers >through IPFW - which counts all data for their IP address. > >Does anyone have good ways to explain to customers why actual bandwidth >used can vary greatly from web reports? Sometimes with reports only >reporting on 50% of actual bandwidth used? > >We have tried to explain overhead, real audio files being excluded, etc. >However - I think at this point - it might be beneficial to point the >customer to 3rd party information. > >Anyone able to offer any help? > >Thanks in advance... > >-Dev > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 9:35:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from norad.inetu.net (norad.inetu.net [209.235.223.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A699237B421 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:35:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dec2@localhost) by norad.inetu.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05449; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:35:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: dec2 To: Blake Crosby Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020403120306.02e0ab68@mailbox.samurai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Blake, It could be. I'm guessing its a combination of excluded URL's (Webalizer does by default). It also excludes Media files (duh!) and protocol headers, which take at least 15% off the top - maybe more depending. We have updated webalizer config files to include audio and media files.. It could also be e-mail and FTP, but Webalizer is only accounting for 50% of the bandwidth being measured at the IP-level, so the customer is asking for more justification. :-) -Dev On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Blake Crosby wrote: > Could it also be FTP/mail traffic? > > I think also web logs dont take into account the headers that the web > server sends as well. Although not a lot of data, I can see it adding up. > > Blake > > At 11:50 AM 4/3/2002 -0500, dec2 wrote: > > >I had a quick question for ISP's and Web Hosting Companies out there. > > > >We give our hosting customers free access to web reports (Through say > >webalizer). > > > >We measure customer bandwidth usage for unique IP address customers > >through IPFW - which counts all data for their IP address. > > > >Does anyone have good ways to explain to customers why actual bandwidth > >used can vary greatly from web reports? Sometimes with reports only > >reporting on 50% of actual bandwidth used? > > > >We have tried to explain overhead, real audio files being excluded, etc. > >However - I think at this point - it might be beneficial to point the > >customer to 3rd party information. > > > >Anyone able to offer any help? > > > >Thanks in advance... > > > >-Dev > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 11:13:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.cksoft.de (ns1.cksoft.de [62.111.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C6037B41C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A2114FBB; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:13:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ns1.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id A9ADB14FBD; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hirvi.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3E6CB1B65E; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hirvi.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8FC18E88; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:06:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:06:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Kratzer To: dec2 Cc: Blake Crosby , Subject: Re: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Spammer-Kill-Ratio: 75% MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, dec2 wrote: > > Blake, > > It could be. I'm guessing its a combination of excluded URL's (Webalizer > does by default). It also excludes Media files (duh!) and protocol > headers, which take at least 15% off the top - maybe more depending. > > We have updated webalizer config files to include audio and media files.. > > It could also be e-mail and FTP, but Webalizer is only accounting for 50% > of the bandwidth being measured at the IP-level, so the customer is asking > for more justification. :-) a good way to deal with something like this would be to provide your customer statistics based on what you are accounting with. Feeding your ip accounting statistics into a database on an hourly or even daily basis could give you enough data to setup to provide montly graphics via mrtg or similar interface as "proof" of traffic. Customers should be far more inclined the trust such finer grained statistics than they would trust a single value. Greetings Christian -- CK Software GmbH Christian Kratzer, Schwarzwaldstr. 31, 71131 Jettingen Email: ck@cksoft.de Phone: +49 7452 889-135 Open Software Solutions, Network Security Fax: +49 7452 889-136 FreeBSD spoken here! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 12:25:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pitr.tuxinternet.com (pitr.tuxinternet.com [208.32.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA6F37B41B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hugme@localhost) by pitr.tuxinternet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g33Kdux44306 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:39:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hugme) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:39:56 -0500 From: Hug Me To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mailing List Message-ID: <20020403153956.U33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from ck@cksoft.de on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 09:06:20PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have attempted to leave this mailing list using the automated system several times and am being told that I am not a member. (odviously I am) I have sent 3 e-mails to to the list manager asking them to take me off the isp-freebsd list, the first was sent a month ago and once a week since then, this being the forth week I am sending my plee to the list hopeing someone on the list knows the list manager and can request my being taken off. -- ****************************************************** John Allman, CISSP hugme@hugme.org http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume PGP Public key: http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 13:45:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from supernova.dimensional.com (supernova.dimensional.com [206.124.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1F437B41A for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from flatland.dimensional.com (valence@flatland.dimensional.com [206.124.0.24]) by supernova.dimensional.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g33Liwx18499; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:44:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:44:57 -0700 (MST) From: Valence Logrus X-Sender: valence@flatland.dimensional.com To: Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020403153956.U33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Message-ID: X-Files: The Truth is Out There K2Y: Is It 1970 Yet? X-Rated: Oh Yeah Baby X-Men: Wolverine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hear ya! Trying to remove yourself from these lists is almost impossible= ! I've written the postmaster three times, each time they say I'm not a membe= r, because the only email address I can send from is my account@domain, not the alias = I used to=20 receive email at. How does one remove themselves from these damn lists? Perhaps I should just start bouncing the mail at spam, which at this point = that's all it is, spam. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Hug Me wrote: =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB I have attempted to leave this mailing list using the automated s= ystem =AD=AD=BB several times and am being told that I am not a member. (odviousl= y I am) =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB I have sent 3 e-mails to to the list manager asking them to take = me off =AD=AD=BB the isp-freebsd list, the first was sent a month ago and once a w= eek =AD=AD=BB since then, this being the forth week I am sending my plee to the= list =AD=AD=BB hopeing someone on the list knows the list manager and can reques= t my =AD=AD=BB being taken off. =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB --=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB =09****************************************************** =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB =09John Allman, CISSP=09=09 =09 hugme@hugme.org =AD=AD=BB =09=09http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB =09PGP Public key: =AD=AD=BB =09=09http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org =AD=AD=BB with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message =AD=AD=BB=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 13:50: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1929537B41C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from int-nj2gw-4.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-4 [3.159.236.68]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id QAA20548; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-4.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id QAA06553; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g33Lndw04396; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (CRD)" To: "'Valence Logrus'" , Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Mailing List Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:49:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You cant expect the mailer to differentiate between an alias that you cant send mail from and a normal addr. Ie joe-bsd@blo.com is a totally different 'person' to the mail than joe@blo.com. So obviously mailing unsubscribe joe-bsd@blo.com from joe@blo.com wont work. It isnt the lists fault that you cant send mail from the alias. -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Corporate Research & Development "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 -----Original Message----- From: Valence Logrus [mailto:valence@symboliq.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:45 PM To: Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List I hear ya! Trying to remove yourself from these lists is almost impossible! I've written the postmaster three times, each time they say I'm not a member, because the only email address I can send from is my account@domain, not the alias I used to receive email at. How does one remove themselves from these damn lists? Perhaps I should just start bouncing the mail at spam, which at this point that's all it is, spam. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Hug Me wrote: --> --> I have attempted to leave this mailing list using the automated system --> several times and am being told that I am not a member. (odviously I am) --> --> I have sent 3 e-mails to to the list manager asking them to take me off --> the isp-freebsd list, the first was sent a month ago and once a week --> since then, this being the forth week I am sending my plee to the list --> hopeing someone on the list knows the list manager and can request my --> being taken off. --> --> --> --> -- --> --> --> ****************************************************** --> --> John Allman, CISSP hugme@hugme.org --> http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume --> --> PGP Public key: --> http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp --> --> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org --> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message --> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 14: 3:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.thinkburst.com (ns.thinkburst.com [204.214.64.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139D437B419 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.thinkburstmedia.com (gateway.thinkburstmedia.com [204.214.64.100]) by ns.thinkburst.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227679B13 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:06:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31298 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 22:03:10 -0000 From: "Jaime Bozza" To: "'Lapinski, Michael (CRD)'" , "'Valence Logrus'" , "'Hug Me'" Cc: Subject: RE: Mailing List Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:03:18 -0600 Message-ID: <007d01c1db5b$5ca66480$6401010a@bozza> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can't you just send a message to majordomo@freebsd.org with the following line? unsubscribe freebsd-isp It'll send back an authorization request. You don't *HAVE* to unsubscribe using the email address you're subscribed as! Jaime Bozza -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Lapinski, Michael (CRD) Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:50 PM To: 'Valence Logrus'; Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Mailing List You cant expect the mailer to differentiate between an alias that you cant send mail from and a normal addr. Ie joe-bsd@blo.com is a totally different 'person' to the mail than joe@blo.com. So obviously mailing unsubscribe joe-bsd@blo.com from joe@blo.com wont work. It isnt the lists fault that you cant send mail from the alias. -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Corporate Research & Development "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 -----Original Message----- From: Valence Logrus [mailto:valence@symboliq.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:45 PM To: Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List I hear ya! Trying to remove yourself from these lists is almost impossible! I've written the postmaster three times, each time they say I'm not a member, because the only email address I can send from is my account@domain, not the alias I used to receive email at. How does one remove themselves from these damn lists? Perhaps I should just start bouncing the mail at spam, which at this point that's all it is, spam. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Hug Me wrote: --> --> I have attempted to leave this mailing list using the automated system --> several times and am being told that I am not a member. (odviously I am) --> --> I have sent 3 e-mails to to the list manager asking them to take me off --> the isp-freebsd list, the first was sent a month ago and once a week --> since then, this being the forth week I am sending my plee to the list --> hopeing someone on the list knows the list manager and can request my --> being taken off. --> --> --> --> -- --> --> --> ****************************************************** --> --> John Allman, CISSP hugme@hugme.org --> http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume --> --> PGP Public key: --> http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp --> --> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org --> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message --> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 14: 7:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from front1.chartermi.net (24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD19C37B419 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.247.40.60] (HELO danrc) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 76294874 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: References: Subject: Re: Mailing List Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lapinski, Michael (CRD)" To: "'Valence Logrus'" ; "Hug Me" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: RE: Mailing List > You cant expect the mailer to differentiate between > an alias that you cant send mail from and a normal addr. > Ie > joe-bsd@blo.com is a totally different 'person' to the > mail than joe@blo.com. So obviously mailing unsubscribe > joe-bsd@blo.com from joe@blo.com wont work. > > It isnt the lists fault that you cant send mail > from the alias. Hopefully this will end this thread: send majordomo@ a piece of email looking like this from any account you wish: unsubscribe listname yoursubscribedemailaddress@yourdomain It'll send you a confirmation to yoursubscribedemailaddress@yourdomain with an authcode. From that same email address you used above, send the exact command it tells you. And then no more mailings will come. It's amazing how asking Majordomo for help will give you a solution. Another prime example why people don't bother to make documentation--because no one can be bothered to read the documentation. > -mtl -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 14:18:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pitr.tuxinternet.com (pitr.tuxinternet.com [208.32.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA037B41B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hugme@localhost) by pitr.tuxinternet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g33MWpi45017 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:32:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from hugme) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:32:51 -0500 From: Hug Me To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Message-ID: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net>; from ircd@wrath.com on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:07:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before replying to it let me explain again. my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he doesn't check his e-mail. I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. gee, I wonder why I want off this list... -- ****************************************************** John Allman., CISSP hugme@hugme.org http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume PGP Public key: http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 14:26: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.thinkburst.com (ns.thinkburst.com [204.214.64.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DD237B417 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.thinkburstmedia.com (gateway.thinkburstmedia.com [204.214.64.100]) by ns.thinkburst.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA29B0C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:29:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31595 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2002 22:26:00 -0000 From: "Jaime Bozza" To: "'Hug Me'" , Subject: RE: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:26:08 -0600 Message-ID: <008c01c1db5e$8d1bc260$6401010a@bozza> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmmm, It looks like you are the person in error. I used the "which" command at Majordomo to find out the following: which hugme.org which tuxinternet.com (For those of you interested, tuxinternet.com is the domain of the SMTP server this particular person uses.) Guess what came back? List Address ==== ======= freebsd-isp hugme@tuxinternet.com Gee, I guess hugme@hugme.org *ISN'T* subscribed to the list! Now, why don't you try sending a message to majordomo@freebsd.org with the following: unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@tuxinternet.com And in the future, may I recommend saving your "subscription" emails so you can reference them when you need to unsubscribe. Sincerely, Jaime Bozza -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Hug Me Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:33 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before replying to it let me explain again. my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he doesn't check his e-mail. I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. gee, I wonder why I want off this list... -- ****************************************************** John Allman., CISSP hugme@hugme.org http://www.tuxinternet.com/resume PGP Public key: http://www.hugme.org/mykey.pgp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 14:39: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from front1.chartermi.net (24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317F237B41C for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.247.40.60] (HELO danrc) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 76305772 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:38:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hug Me" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before > replying to it let me explain again. Well, I was nice and didn't send it to the list last time, I won't be so polite this time. > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? Neither of those two things means that that is your email address. > if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with > unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org > as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with > "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" Yeap, bother to read what I said in the email to you previously. > I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he > doesn't check his e-mail. The administrator/postmaster(s) rarely reads the email. In fact, I'd have everything sent to /dev/null because of the idiots that say "pls hepl me unsubcribe frem mailing lsit". > I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" More than likely. These people actually do have the same problem as you do or they have a problem with aliasing. Oh yeah, after further inspection, your problem is that your email address is actually fuckingdolt@tuxinternet.com. Actually, it's hugme@tuxinternet.com. Now the funny part would be that you set up your own email address and forgot . . . > and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just > send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain > power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. If you only knew how common it is to see people say "pls hepl me unsubcribe frem mailing lsit" you'd understand. Sure, they're wrong for telling you this and not reading all of what you said. I, myself, figured you had a aliasing problem. > gee, I wonder why I want off this list... That's alright, we don't need a three-ring circus sideshow of freaks. I don't know if tuxinternet.com is your website or not, but if it is, it shall bring some entertainment to my life at your expense. Please do not feel free to assert your ineptitude any more. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 15:14:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.cableaz.com (mail4.cableaz.com [66.218.238.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DCC37B419 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from caz (proxy.cableaz.com [66.218.238.31]) by mail4.cableaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g33N67G50483 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Message-ID: <002001c1db64$da799c20$0c0aa8c0@caz> From: "Jeremy Buckner" To: References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:11:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is funnier than watching a car crash.... Can we keep this thread alive please?? My usual boring day is getting better and better by the email ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hug Me" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses > > > > > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before > > replying to it let me explain again. > > Well, I was nice and didn't send it to the list last time, I won't be so > polite this time. > > > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? > > Neither of those two things means that that is your email address. > > > if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with > > unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org > > as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with > > "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" > > Yeap, bother to read what I said in the email to you previously. > > > I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he > > doesn't check his e-mail. > > The administrator/postmaster(s) rarely reads the email. In fact, I'd have > everything sent to /dev/null because of the idiots that say "pls hepl me > unsubcribe frem mailing lsit". > > > I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" > > More than likely. These people actually do have the same problem as you do > or they have a problem with aliasing. > > Oh yeah, after further inspection, your problem is that your email address > is actually fuckingdolt@tuxinternet.com. Actually, it's > hugme@tuxinternet.com. Now the funny part would be that you set up your own > email address and forgot . . . > > > and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just > > send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain > > power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. > > If you only knew how common it is to see people say "pls hepl me unsubcribe > frem mailing lsit" you'd understand. Sure, they're wrong for telling you > this and not reading all of what you said. I, myself, figured you had a > aliasing problem. > > > gee, I wonder why I want off this list... > > That's alright, we don't need a three-ring circus sideshow of freaks. I > don't know if tuxinternet.com is your website or not, but if it is, it shall > bring some entertainment to my life at your expense. > > Please do not feel free to assert your ineptitude any more. > > -Brian > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 15:24:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [65.165.120.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861A037B41B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ADAMKUJ.amplex.net (adam-laptop.amplex.net [65.165.120.146]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g33NK6f56389 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:20:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403182056.00acaa70@pop3.amplex.net> X-Sender: adamkuj@pop3.amplex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:22:10 -0500 To: From: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) In-Reply-To: <002001c1db64$da799c20$0c0aa8c0@caz> References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This thread can't possibly die until somebody calls somebody else a Nazi. So here goes: You are all a bunch of Nazi's. I hope that settles it. -Adam At 04:11 PM 4/3/2002 -0700, Jeremy Buckner wrote: >This is funnier than watching a car crash.... Can we keep this thread >alive please?? My usual boring >day is getting better and better by the email > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:38 PM >Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hug Me" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses > > > > > > > > > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before > > > replying to it let me explain again. > > > > Well, I was nice and didn't send it to the list last time, I won't be so > > polite this time. > > > > > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > > > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > > > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? > > > > Neither of those two things means that that is your email address. > > > > > if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with > > > unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org > > > as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with > > > "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" > > > > Yeap, bother to read what I said in the email to you previously. > > > > > I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he > > > doesn't check his e-mail. > > > > The administrator/postmaster(s) rarely reads the email. In fact, I'd have > > everything sent to /dev/null because of the idiots that say "pls hepl me > > unsubcribe frem mailing lsit". > > > > > I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" > > > > More than likely. These people actually do have the same problem as you do > > or they have a problem with aliasing. > > > > Oh yeah, after further inspection, your problem is that your email address > > is actually fuckingdolt@tuxinternet.com. Actually, it's > > hugme@tuxinternet.com. Now the funny part would be that you set up > your own > > email address and forgot . . . > > > > > and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just > > > send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain > > > power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. > > > > If you only knew how common it is to see people say "pls hepl me unsubcribe > > frem mailing lsit" you'd understand. Sure, they're wrong for telling you > > this and not reading all of what you said. I, myself, figured you had a > > aliasing problem. > > > > > gee, I wonder why I want off this list... > > > > That's alright, we don't need a three-ring circus sideshow of freaks. I > > don't know if tuxinternet.com is your website or not, but if it is, it > shall > > bring some entertainment to my life at your expense. > > > > Please do not feel free to assert your ineptitude any more. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message Adam Kujawski adamkuj@amplex.net Network Administrator Cell: 419.261.3268 Amplex Internet Services Office: 419.720.3635 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 18: 4:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B28D37B420 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b233.otenet.gr [212.205.244.241]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3424FbP007415; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:04:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3424Eci006007; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:04:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3424Cqi006005; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:04:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 05:02:52 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Hug Me Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Message-ID: <20020404020252.GA5819@hades.hell.gr> References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-04-03 17:32, Hug Me wrote: > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail > before replying to it let me explain again. > > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? Read the headers of a message posted "from the list" to your Inbox. Find out what the address that the mail is sent to my majordomo is. Use that address in your unsubscribe request. It's really all in the instructions that majordomo posts back to you when you send a message with "HELP" in the body to the list manager at majordomo@FreeBSD.org. Take the time to patiently read it, and follow the instructions. The lists don't need any 'you all dumbasses' messages. You can spare us that. Pretty please? Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 18: 9:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.pwhsnet.com (adsl-64-164-39-143.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [64.164.39.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD3937B405 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus (patrick@zeus.pwhsnet.com [192.168.0.3]) by apollo.pwhsnet.com (8.12.2/8.11.6) with SMTP id g342EFLs028141; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:14:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@pwhsnet.com) Message-ID: <021901c1db7d$c4b13fb0$0300a8c0@pwhsnet.com> From: "Patrick O. Fish" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" , "Hug Me" Cc: References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <20020404020252.GA5819@hades.hell.gr> Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:09:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -STOP THE THREAD- - Patrick Fish - patrick at pwhsnet dot com PWHS Networks - http://www.pwhsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: "Hug Me" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses > On 2002-04-03 17:32, Hug Me wrote: > > > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail > > before replying to it let me explain again. > > > > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? > > Read the headers of a message posted "from the list" to your Inbox. > Find out what the address that the mail is sent to my majordomo is. > Use that address in your unsubscribe request. > > It's really all in the instructions that majordomo posts back to you > when you send a message with "HELP" in the body to the list manager at > majordomo@FreeBSD.org. > > Take the time to patiently read it, and follow the instructions. > The lists don't need any 'you all dumbasses' messages. > You can spare us that. > > Pretty please? > > Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project > keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 18:24:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from svr-ganmtc-appserv-mgmt.ncf.coxexpress.com (svr-ganmtc-appserv-mgmt.ncf.coxexpress.com [24.136.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03CA37B417 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu (cpe-gan-24-136-48-56-cmcpe.ncf.coxexpress.com [24.136.48.56]) by svr-ganmtc-appserv-mgmt.ncf.coxexpress.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g342O3F07075; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3CABB943.9BABF7A7@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:24:03 -0500 From: Bob Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020403182056.00acaa70@pop3.amplex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You forgot the mandatory spelling and grammar flames. You shouldn't have an apostrophe in "Nazis". See http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif Now I think all of the conditions are fulfilled. - Bob (not the angry flower) Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support wrote: > > This thread can't possibly die until somebody calls somebody else a Nazi. > So here goes: > > You are all a bunch of Nazi's. > > I hope that settles it. > > -Adam > > At 04:11 PM 4/3/2002 -0700, Jeremy Buckner wrote: > >This is funnier than watching a car crash.... Can we keep this thread > >alive please?? My usual boring > >day is getting better and better by the email > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:38 PM > >Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Hug Me" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok... for all of you without the brain power to READ an e-mail before > > > > replying to it let me explain again. > > > > > > Well, I was nice and didn't send it to the list last time, I won't be so > > > polite this time. > > > > > > > my e-mail address is hugme@hugme.org. it's not an alias, I know this for > > > > two reasons, 1 it is the address in the "To" line of each email and 2 > > > > if it was and alias I wouldn't fucking be able to post this would I? > > > > > > Neither of those two things means that that is your email address. > > > > > > > if I send an email to "majordomo@freebsd.org" with > > > > unsubscribe freebsd-isp hugme@hugme.org > > > > as the only line in the body of the message it comes back with > > > > "hugme@hugme.org is not subscribed to this list" > > > > > > Yeap, bother to read what I said in the email to you previously. > > > > > > > I have tried contacting the admin on 3 occasions but aperently he > > > > doesn't check his e-mail. > > > > > > The administrator/postmaster(s) rarely reads the email. In fact, I'd have > > > everything sent to /dev/null because of the idiots that say "pls hepl me > > > unsubcribe frem mailing lsit". > > > > > > > I have had 2 people e-mail me with "I have the same problem" > > > > > > More than likely. These people actually do have the same problem as you do > > > or they have a problem with aliasing. > > > > > > Oh yeah, after further inspection, your problem is that your email address > > > is actually fuckingdolt@tuxinternet.com. Actually, it's > > > hugme@tuxinternet.com. Now the funny part would be that you set up > > your own > > > email address and forgot . . . > > > > > > > and 20 of you fucking idiots e-mailed me with "why don't you just > > > > send an unsubscribe to majordomo" thus you don't have the brain > > > > power to READ so why are you on the fucking list in the first place. > > > > > > If you only knew how common it is to see people say "pls hepl me unsubcribe > > > frem mailing lsit" you'd understand. Sure, they're wrong for telling you > > > this and not reading all of what you said. I, myself, figured you had a > > > aliasing problem. > > > > > > > gee, I wonder why I want off this list... > > > > > > That's alright, we don't need a three-ring circus sideshow of freaks. I > > > don't know if tuxinternet.com is your website or not, but if it is, it > > shall > > > bring some entertainment to my life at your expense. > > > > > > Please do not feel free to assert your ineptitude any more. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > Adam Kujawski adamkuj@amplex.net > Network Administrator Cell: 419.261.3268 > Amplex Internet Services Office: 419.720.3635 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 3 23:38:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobalt.viteks.com (www.viteks.com [216.73.58.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E858E37B417 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 23:38:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from red (red.flare.net [207.10.131.113]) by cobalt (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g33MPUc09035; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:25:32 -0500 From: "Hostmaster" To: "Hug Me" Cc: Subject: RE: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message<<<<<<<<< no where does it say to put your email address in the body of the email............. Maybe you should read before spewing To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 3:30:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5136E37B41A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16t3kw-00050X-03; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:42:10 +0200 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.229.209.136]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 16t3kq-23hZBoC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:42:04 +0200 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g349fvWU000646; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:42:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200204040942.g349fvWU000646@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:41:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination To: dec2@inetu.net Cc: dev@samurai.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Apr, dec2 wrote: > It could be. I'm guessing its a combination of excluded URL's (Webalizer > does by default). It also excludes Media files (duh!) and protocol > headers, which take at least 15% off the top - maybe more depending. > > We have updated webalizer config files to include audio and media files.. > > It could also be e-mail and FTP, but Webalizer is only accounting for 50% > of the bandwidth being measured at the IP-level, so the customer is asking > for more justification. :-) What about producing reports for FTP and mail too and let them add the numbers on their own (ports/textproc/modlogan comes to my mind...)? Bye, Alexander. -- Weird enough for government work. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 7:14:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AE537B41B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g34FDr238487; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:13:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:13:53 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: Hostmaster Cc: Hug Me , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Message-ID: <20020404151353.GG37544@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 05:23:51PM -0500, Hostmaster thus spoke: > >>>>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org<<<<<<<<< > >>>>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message<<<<<<<<< > no where does it say to put your email address in the body of the > email............. > Maybe you should read before spewing > Maybe you should read the help file. You should also have received a notification when you subscribed and it would have had the mail address that you subscribed to in that mail. You will find it good to keep copies of the majordomo replies. And when you have problems you send a quest like this majorodomo@freebsd.org In the body type help end You will get a reply. You WILL see this in that reply. ======== To remove an address other than the one from which you're sending the request, give that address in the command: unsubscribe demo-list jqpublic@my-isp.com In either of these cases, you can tell Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG to remove the address in question from all lists on this server by using "*" in place of the list name: unsubscribe * unsubscribe * jqpublic@my-isp.com ======== All posts have this line - but you can't expect a one line reminded to cover all cases. Majordomo readers are usually expected to real the appropriate documentation. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message And when that didn't work you should have gotten the help file and not posted to the list. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 7:44:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wow.atlasta.net (wow.atlasta.net [12.129.13.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC9C37B41A for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from wow.atlasta.net (localhost.atlasta.net [127.0.0.1]) by wow.atlasta.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g33MBAPE049021; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drais@localhost) by wow.atlasta.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g33MBAYf049018; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:11:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: Valence Logrus Cc: Hug Me , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Valence Logrus wrote: > the only email address I can send from is my account@domain, not the alias I used to > receive email at. How does one remove themselves from these damn lists? Did you, perhaps, by chance, happen to tell them what the email address you subscribed with IS and ask them to unsubscribe THAT address? Or, maybe, follow the normal majordomo unsubscribe instructions by sending a nice email to majordomo@freebsd.org with this brief message in the body: unsubscribe freebsd-isp your-old@address.here and wait for the reply and follow the instructions contained therein? --- david raistrick (no longer deep in the south georgia woods) drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 7:48:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipfnet.net (mail.ipfnet.net [62.138.44.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 856C037B41C for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.94] (localhost.ipfnet.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ipfnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g34FlWP68867; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:47:33 +0200 From: alex Reply-To: alex To: dec2 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Actual bandwidth used vs. statistics reports - customer explaination Message-ID: <28542772.1017942453@[192.168.2.94]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, ipfw also includes IP/TCP/UDP header, ICMP packages. webalizer does not. webalizer just counts the transmitted data from server->client, no recieved headers. no http post operations. several response codes of webserver (all != 200) are also not included. maybe explains some extra % of the real traffic. alex --On Mittwoch, 3. April 2002 12:35 -0500 dec2 wrote: > > Blake, > > It could be. I'm guessing its a combination of excluded URL's (Webalizer > does by default). It also excludes Media files (duh!) and protocol > headers, which take at least 15% off the top - maybe more depending. > > We have updated webalizer config files to include audio and media files.. > > It could also be e-mail and FTP, but Webalizer is only accounting for 50% > of the bandwidth being measured at the IP-level, so the customer is asking > for more justification. :-) > > -Dev > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Blake Crosby wrote: > >> Could it also be FTP/mail traffic? >> >> I think also web logs dont take into account the headers that the web >> server sends as well. Although not a lot of data, I can see it adding up. >> >> Blake >> >> At 11:50 AM 4/3/2002 -0500, dec2 wrote: >> >> > I had a quick question for ISP's and Web Hosting Companies out there. >> > >> > We give our hosting customers free access to web reports (Through say >> > webalizer). >> > >> > We measure customer bandwidth usage for unique IP address customers >> > through IPFW - which counts all data for their IP address. >> > >> > Does anyone have good ways to explain to customers why actual bandwidth >> > used can vary greatly from web reports? Sometimes with reports only >> > reporting on 50% of actual bandwidth used? >> > >> > We have tried to explain overhead, real audio files being excluded, >> > etc. However - I think at this point - it might be beneficial to point >> > the customer to 3rd party information. >> > >> > Anyone able to offer any help? >> > >> > Thanks in advance... >> > >> > -Dev >> > >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 9: 0:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from newmail.skyrunner.net (newmail.skyrunner.net [208.133.44.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB9637B41B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from micron (athena.skyrunner.net [208.150.25.130]) by newmail.skyrunner.net (8.11.2/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g34H0qv16490 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:00:52 -0500 From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: mod_frontpage, running fpexe as non root user Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:01:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it possible to configure mod_frontpage so that it doesn't need to run fpexe as root? TIA Peter Brezny Skyrunner.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 9: 3:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F1FD37B41B for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 97312 invoked by uid 106); 4 Apr 2002 17:04:20 -0000 Received: from 24-90-123-214.nyc.rr.com (HELO station1) (24.90.123.214) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 17:04:20 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:10:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mod_frontpage, running fpexe as non root user Message-Id: <20020404170354.9F1FD37B41B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, but not without hacking mod_frontpage's code. -Simon On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:01:23 -0500, Peter Brezny wrote: >Is it possible to configure mod_frontpage so that it doesn't need to run >fpexe as root? > >TIA > >Peter Brezny >Skyrunner.net > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 11:59:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ra.upan.org (ra.upan.org [204.107.76.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22C637B419 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocsinternet.com ([10.0.0.102]) by ra.upan.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g34JwdV81324; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:58:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikel@ocsinternet.com) Message-ID: <3CACB0BC.30305@ocsinternet.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 14:59:56 -0500 From: Mikel King User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: FBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Webmail App for virtual domains hosting References: <20020315171958.GE97915@ns2.wananchi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know this is rather long after the original, but you really should take a look at phpgroupware in the ports...I've been playing with it for about a month now...and fankly it's a blast. Cheers, Mikel Odhiambo Washington wrote: >Hello people, > >I am stuck here trying to find an app that is relatively easy to setup ;-) > >I have a couple virtual domains whose owners are making me scratch my head >bald. > >Users authenticate via MySQL db and the mail is stored in mbox format in >/var/spool/virtual/$domain.name/$user > >I am currently using tpop3d which I am happy with so far. > >I am basically looking for a webmail app with a few basic qualities: > >1. Can auth via MySQL by taking username@domain as login name >2. Can display sent mail separately from the inbox >3. Can handle attachments > >I've looked at a couple of opts but now I just seem lost! > > >Thanks in advance for your advise. > > >-Wash > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 12:26:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from supernova.dimensional.com (supernova.dimensional.com [206.124.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3B337B419 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from flatland.dimensional.com (valence@flatland.dimensional.com [206.124.0.24]) by supernova.dimensional.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g34KQXx19166; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:26:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:26:30 -0700 (MST) From: Valence Logrus X-Sender: valence@flatland.dimensional.com To: David Raistrick Cc: Hug Me , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Files: The Truth is Out There K2Y: Is It 1970 Yet? X-Rated: Oh Yeah Baby X-Men: Wolverine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes, three times On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, David Raistrick wrote: =AD=AD=BB On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Valence Logrus wrote: =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB > the only email address I can send from is my account@domain, no= t the alias I used to=20 =AD=AD=BB > receive email at. How does one remove themselves from these dam= n lists? =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB Did you, perhaps, by chance, happen to tell them what the email a= ddress =AD=AD=BB you subscribed with IS and ask them to unsubscribe THAT address? =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB Or, maybe, follow the normal majordomo unsubscribe instructions b= y sending =AD=AD=BB a nice email to =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB majordomo@freebsd.org =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB with this brief message in the body: =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB unsubscribe freebsd-isp your-old@address.here =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB and wait for the reply and follow the instructions contained ther= ein? =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB --- =AD=AD=BB david raistrick (no longer deep in the south georgia woods) =AD=AD=BB drais@atlasta.net=09=09http://www.expita.com/nomime.html =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org =AD=AD=BB with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message =AD=AD=BB=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 20:28:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A568837B420 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spark.techno.pagans (spark.techno.pagans [4.61.202.145]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34EB471DA; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by spark.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4F726C12; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:28:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3CAD27F0.46B44950@pantherdragon.org> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 20:28:32 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020403182056.00acaa70@pop3.amplex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support wrote: > > This thread can't possibly die until somebody calls somebody else a Nazi. > So here goes: > > You are all a bunch of Nazi's. > > I hope that settles it. Sorry, Quirk's Exception. Intentional invocation of Godwin's Law is ineffectual. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Apr 4 23:29:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inetcomm.ru (mail.inetcomm.ru [212.152.32.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7FE37B419 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.inetcomm.ru (Postfix, from userid 90) id 850E217CBE; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:29:26 +0400 (MSD) Received: from hit.inetcomm.net (hit.inetcomm.net [212.152.32.74]) by mail.inetcomm.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ED1517606 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:29:25 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:29:25 +0400 From: "Roman Korolyov" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jail , crypt and mod_php X-Mailer: stuphead ver. 0.5.5 (Alternative-cvs) (GTK+ 1.2.6; Linux 2.2.17-14; i686) Organization: INET Communications Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020405072925.5ED1517606@mail.inetcomm.ru> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I'm using jails for our customers, and there's the problem: httpd process starts eating up CPU time up to 99% if someone tries to use crypt() in PHP scripts with MD5 hash, but DES works fine. Also it looks like that apache loose its child processes after timeout. What can be the problem? Apache 1.3.22, mod_php 4.0.6 (file uploads turned off). The same problem was also with older version of apache and PHP. -- Roman Korolyov INETCOMM ISP - Podolsk, Russia http://www.inetcomm.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 3:12: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ksemat.co.ug (g-class.sanyutel.com [216.250.215.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5F837B41C for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.sanyutel.com [127.0.0.1]) by ksemat.co.ug (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEAD28C; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:13:17 +0300 (EAT) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:13:17 +0300 (EAT) From: Sematimba Noah Kevin X-X-Sender: ksemat@delight.sanyutel.com To: Mikel King Cc: Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Webmail App for virtual domains hosting In-Reply-To: <3CACB0BC.30305@ocsinternet.com> Message-ID: <20020405141306.F615-100000@delight.sanyutel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org postaci looks great. Noah Beware! To touch these wires is instant death. Anyone found doing so will be prosecuted. -- sign at a railroad station On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Mikel King wrote: > I know this is rather long after the original, but you really should > take a look at phpgroupware in the ports...I've been playing with it for > about a month now...and fankly it's a blast. > > Cheers, > Mikel > > Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > >Hello people, > > > >I am stuck here trying to find an app that is relatively easy to setup ;-) > > > >I have a couple virtual domains whose owners are making me scratch my head > >bald. > > > >Users authenticate via MySQL db and the mail is stored in mbox format in > >/var/spool/virtual/$domain.name/$user > > > >I am currently using tpop3d which I am happy with so far. > > > >I am basically looking for a webmail app with a few basic qualities: > > > >1. Can auth via MySQL by taking username@domain as login name > >2. Can display sent mail separately from the inbox > >3. Can handle attachments > > > >I've looked at a couple of opts but now I just seem lost! > > > > > >Thanks in advance for your advise. > > > > > >-Wash > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 5:12:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marvin.trident-uk.co.uk (mail.trident-uk.co.uk [195.166.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115DF37B416 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by marvin.trident-uk.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g35Cv4827978 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:57:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from trident-uk.co.uk (root@mufuf.trident-uk.co.uk [194.207.93.63]) by marvin.trident-uk.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id g35Cv3x27969 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:57:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by trident-uk.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g35DG0k08340 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:16:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:16:00 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Which SMTP server best for outlook? Message-ID: <20020405141600.A8325@mufuf.trident-uk.co.uk> Reply-To: jamie@tridentmicrosystems.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, All of our workstation clients run Outlook 97, and our server FreeBSD + Sendmail 8.11av. The problem we have is that outlook occasionally wets its pants with thing such as attachments, and causes quite a lot of grief. Does anyone know the best SMTP server to use that interacts the best with outlook 97? (btw cucipop works eally well on the pop3 side of things) Any pointers, advice, or rtfm'ing kicks appreciated. Thanks in advance! -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jamie Heckford | t: +44(0)1737 780790 | | Network Manager | f: +44(0)1737 771908 | | Trident Microsystems Ltd. | w: www.tridentmicrosystems.co.uk | ---------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 5:15:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68FBB37B405 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 64420 invoked by uid 85); 5 Apr 2002 13:15:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 08:15:48 -0500 From: Alan Clegg To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- (please end this thread) Message-ID: <20020405081548.B64204@shell.wetworks.org> References: <003f01c1db5b$e2bf76b0$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> <000d01c1db60$571ee370$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020403182056.00acaa70@pop3.amplex.net> <3CAD27F0.46B44950@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CAD27F0.46B44950@pantherdragon.org>; from dmp@pantherdragon.org on Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 08:28:32PM -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Darren Pilgrim said:=20 > Adam Kujawski - Amplex Support wrote: > >=20 > > This thread can't possibly die until somebody calls somebody else a Naz= i. > > So here goes: > >=20 > > You are all a bunch of Nazi's. > >=20 > > I hope that settles it. >=20 > Sorry, Quirk's Exception. Intentional invocation of Godwin's Law is > ineffectual. And for that, this thread will go on forever. AlanC --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8raOEyJP8xSfQVdsRAhiMAKCPA/6T/eHToDJz2D5cIAZMY6OBLwCgxa+B 9OPWXf9407otwmxblX4FcEE= =4ydZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pvezYHf7grwyp3Bc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 5:41:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from morgoth.sl.pt (isengard.sl.pt [212.55.140.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A947C37B405 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2325 invoked by uid 500); 5 Apr 2002 13:33:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:33:52 +0100 From: Jose Celestino To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which SMTP server best for outlook? Message-ID: <20020405133352.GC1181@co.sapo.pt> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20020405141600.A8325@mufuf.trident-uk.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020405141600.A8325@mufuf.trident-uk.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0-current-20020401i X-GPG-key-ID/Fingerprint: 0x07B1363B / D3F3 B47B F20C 3B1E 488C B949 1B8B 8141 07B1 363B X-URL: http://xpto.org/~japc X-System: Linux morgoth.sl.pt 2.4.18-pre9 i686 X-By: japc@morgoth.sl.pt Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Jamie Heckford, on Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 02:16:00PM +0100: > Hi, > > All of our workstation clients run Outlook 97, and our server > FreeBSD + Sendmail 8.11av. The problem we have is that outlook > occasionally wets its pants with thing such as attachments, and > causes quite a lot of grief. > > Does anyone know the best SMTP server to use that interacts the > best with outlook 97? > Exchange. So...discard both. > (btw cucipop works eally well on the pop3 side of things) > > Any pointers, advice, or rtfm'ing kicks appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > +--------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Jamie Heckford | t: +44(0)1737 780790 | > | Network Manager | f: +44(0)1737 771908 | > | Trident Microsystems Ltd. | w: www.tridentmicrosystems.co.uk | > ---------------------------------------------------------------+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Jose Celestino Systems::SAPO.pt http://www.sapo.pt --------------------------------------------------------------------- Titanic 1912 / Hindenburg Zeppelin 1937 / Microsoft Windows 2000 Linux morgoth.sl.pt 2.4.18-pre9 #5 Wed Feb 20 23:47:45 WET 2002 i686 unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 6:57: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E31F37B416 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRED ([142.173.43.70]) by priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with ESMTP id <20020405145656.EQBR23644.priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net@FRED> for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:56:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:10:43 -0800 From: Sean Ellis X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Reply-To: Sean Ellis Organization: yes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5560710466.20020405071043@telus.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mod_frontpage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Hello, I'm having trouble getting mod_frontpage to work properly after installing apache13-ssl, mod_frontpage, and frontpage from ports onto my 4.5-STABLE machine. I followed the instructions in the pkg-message, and I have some functionality (ie. I got the site administration pages going), but I can't seem to authenticate from a frontpage(98?) client. To get as far as I am I've had to make edits to my httpd.conf file that are not mentioned in the pkg-message suggestions. Does this installation need tweaking vis a vis the default encryption on passwords as I have seen references to? Any input, or useful links gratefully appreciated, -- thanks, Sean mailto:sellis@telus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 7:56: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.clifftop.net (machassociates-6.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.204.162.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA1637B404 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 07:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf ([192.168.1.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.clifftop.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g35FbfVT007250; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:37:41 +0100 (BST) From: "Danny Horne" To: , Subject: RE: Which SMTP server best for outlook? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:37:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020405141600.A8325@mufuf.trident-uk.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jamie Heckford > Sent: Friday 05 April 2002 2:16pm > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Which SMTP server best for outlook? > > > Hi, > > All of our workstation clients run Outlook 97, and our server > FreeBSD + Sendmail 8.11av. The problem we have is that outlook > occasionally wets its pants with thing such as attachments, and > causes quite a lot of grief. > What do you mean 'wets it's pants'? I'm using Outlook 2000 through a FreeBSD 4.4 Stable / Sendmail 8.12.2 server without any problems. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 9: 7:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.client2.attbi.com [66.31.234.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E9937B417 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by thehousleys.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g35H75a83006; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:07:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@Thehousleys.net) Received: from Thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.125]) (authenticated) by thehousleys.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g35H72F82998; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:07:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@Thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <3CADD9B6.DF0C98C7@Thehousleys.net> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 12:07:02 -0500 From: James Housley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Horne Cc: jamie@tridentmicrosystems.co.uk, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which SMTP server best for outlook? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Danny Horne wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jamie Heckford > > Sent: Friday 05 April 2002 2:16pm > > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Which SMTP server best for outlook? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > All of our workstation clients run Outlook 97, and our server > > FreeBSD + Sendmail 8.11av. The problem we have is that outlook > > occasionally wets its pants with thing such as attachments, and > > causes quite a lot of grief. > > > What do you mean 'wets it's pants'? I'm using Outlook 2000 through a > FreeBSD 4.4 Stable / Sendmail 8.12.2 server without any problems. Not only that, what server is used has absolutely no bearing on email attachments. The mail client takes care of all of that before sending it to the server. Unless the email w/attachment is larger then the maximum email allowed by the server and Outlook does not like the error code. Jim -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign . \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . X - NO Word docs in e-mail . / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- jeh@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power to Serve jim@TheHousleys.Net http://www.TheHousleys.net jhousley@SimTel.Net http://www.SimTel.Net --------------------------------------------------------------------- A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine. -- Jack O'Neill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 9:14:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2620B37B41F for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g35HKk696858; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:20:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:20:46 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: Mikel King Cc: Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Webmail App for virtual domains hosting In-Reply-To: <3CACB0BC.30305@ocsinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Mikel King wrote: > I know this is rather long after the original, but you really should > take a look at phpgroupware in the ports...I've been playing with it > for about a month now...and fankly it's a blast. As a side note, I was troubled with the same type of request several months back. I ended up writing a PAM module that does a username@domain.com --> unique_id translation out of a Mysql DB. The Unique_id is then carried in the password file for use with password authentication (also done in the PAM module). It also does other things as well, like handling duplicate usernames if someone doesn't supply the domain part of the username. So username "paul" and username "paul" could be different users (based on password). What does this gain you? Well, it allows any program that uses this PAM module to authenticate username@domain combos instead of keeping proprietary mappings for each service that needs this functionailty. I currently have FTP/IMAP/POP/Radius all using this module to handle authentication. We use this as the core of our WHolesale ISP business (all powered by FreeBSD of course). It's currently handling requests for about 10-15K users. As far as our webmail, I added squirrelmail for the webmail client. Since it uses PHP which in turn uses the cclient libraries (to access the mailbox) which in turn uses PAM, it works like a charm. I plan on moving this out into the ports collection once I get the documentation and code cleaned up a bit. It will be called pam-vuser. If anybody is interested in more detail, please let me know. > > Cheers, > Mikel > > Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > >Hello people, > > > >I am stuck here trying to find an app that is relatively easy to setup ;-) > > > >I have a couple virtual domains whose owners are making me scratch my head > >bald. > > > >Users authenticate via MySQL db and the mail is stored in mbox format in > >/var/spool/virtual/$domain.name/$user > > > >I am currently using tpop3d which I am happy with so far. > > > >I am basically looking for a webmail app with a few basic qualities: > > > >1. Can auth via MySQL by taking username@domain as login name > >2. Can display sent mail separately from the inbox > >3. Can handle attachments > > > >I've looked at a couple of opts but now I just seem lost! > > > > > >Thanks in advance for your advise. > > > > > >-Wash > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Nick Rogness - Don't mind me...I'm just sniffing your packets To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 18:10:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from yazzy.org (yazzy.org [217.8.140.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B1237B41A for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21309 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lapdance) (192.168.0.10) by yazzy.org with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from yazzy by lapdance with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16t3J7-0001Lt-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:13:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 11:13:25 +0200 To: Hostmaster Cc: Hug Me , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List -- read before replying dumbasses Message-ID: <20020404091325.GA5134@lapdance.solheim> Mail-Followup-To: Hostmaster , Hug Me , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020403173230.C33415@pitr.tuxinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Marcin Jessa Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh c'mon, grow up... * Hostmaster [2002-04-03 17:23:51 -0500]: > > > > > > > >>>>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org<<<<<<<<< > >>>>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message<<<<<<<<< > > no where does it say to put your email address in the body of the > email............. > > > Maybe you should read before spewing > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Apr 5 18:10:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from yazzy.org (yazzy.org [217.8.140.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E0237B41C for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21306 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2002 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lapdance) (192.168.0.10) by yazzy.org with SMTP; 6 Apr 2002 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from yazzy by lapdance with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16tDra-0002Wq-00; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 22:29:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:29:42 +0200 From: Marcin Jessa To: Mikel King Cc: Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Webmail App for virtual domains hosting Message-ID: <20020404202942.GA9099@lapdance.solheim> Mail-Followup-To: Mikel King , Odhiambo Washington , FBSD-ISP References: <20020315171958.GE97915@ns2.wananchi.com> <3CACB0BC.30305@ocsinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CACB0BC.30305@ocsinternet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: YazzY.org, http://www.yazzy.org/ X-Attribution: yazzy Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org qmail+courier+sqwebmail(or squrrelmail) is one of the alternatives postfix+cyrus+squirrelmail is another (i made a howto on ezunix.org) cheers * Mikel King [2002-04-04 14:59:56 -0500]: > I know this is rather long after the original, but you really should > take a look at phpgroupware in the ports...I've been playing with it for > about a month now...and fankly it's a blast. > > Cheers, > Mikel > > Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > >Hello people, > > > >I am stuck here trying to find an app that is relatively easy to setup ;-) > > > >I have a couple virtual domains whose owners are making me scratch my head > >bald. > > > >Users authenticate via MySQL db and the mail is stored in mbox format in > >/var/spool/virtual/$domain.name/$user > > > >I am currently using tpop3d which I am happy with so far. > > > >I am basically looking for a webmail app with a few basic qualities: > > > >1. Can auth via MySQL by taking username@domain as login name > >2. Can display sent mail separately from the inbox > >3. Can handle attachments > > > >I've looked at a couple of opts but now I just seem lost! > > > > > >Thanks in advance for your advise. > > > > > >-Wash > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 6 11:50: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045537B404 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRED ([142.173.43.70]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020406194953.EFYV16639.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@FRED> for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:49:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 12:03:43 -0800 From: Sean Ellis X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Reply-To: Sean Ellis Organization: yes X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11693647526.20020406120343@telus.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mod_frontpage In-Reply-To: <5560710466.20020405071043@telus.net> References: <5560710466.20020405071043@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Friday, April 05, 2002, 7:10:43 AM, I wrote: > Hello, hey, > Hello, I'm having trouble getting mod_frontpage to work > properly > after installing apache13-ssl, mod_frontpage, and > frontpage from > ports onto my 4.5-STABLE machine. Just a follow-up post. I wound up grabbing this tarball, fp50.bsdi.tar.Z, and doing it from scratch, following these instructions for the frontpage component, http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/sharepnt/proddocs/admindoc/owsd02.asp After patching and making the new httpd binary back it up. The install script for frontpage was overwriting mine with bad results. After a little coaxing it seems to be working quite well, administative interface and all. > I followed the instructions in the pkg-message, and I > have some > functionality (ie. I got the site administration pages > going), but > I can't seem to authenticate from a frontpage(98?) > client. To get > as far as I am I've had to make edits to my httpd.conf > file that > are not mentioned in the pkg-message suggestions. > Does this installation need tweaking vis a vis the default > encryption on passwords as I have seen references to? > Any input, > or useful links gratefully appreciated, -- Regards, Sean mailto:sellis@telus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message