From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 9:12:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA68137B404 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 May 2002 09:12:27 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [207.112.2.1] From: "jack xiao" To: Subject: problem on kenerl ppp Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:09:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2002 16:12:27.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B7BE0A0:01C20599] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am using kenerl ppp(pppd) on our DSL server (FBSD 4.2) to accept clients requests. In most of cases, it works fine. Sometimes, especially when clients disconnect and connect frequently in a short time, problems came up. After the tunnel is up, server and the client can't ping each other. On the server side, the ppp interface is up and the routing table is right. One the other side, the client gets the IP assigned by the server, and aslo gets a ppp tunnel. It seems nothing wrong. If I reboot the server box, when the client connects again, it works fine again. So I am afraid the assigned IP or something else "held" by the server in that moment. But how can I release these things when this happens, rebooting the server is not a good idea at all. Any help or hint will be appreciated. Thanks. Jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 11:18:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe72.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0525437B404 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 May 2002 11:18:39 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [207.112.2.1] From: "jack xiao" To: Subject: problem on pppd Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:15:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2002 18:18:39.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECBF3B90:01C205AA] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am using kenerl ppp(pppd) on our DSL server (FBSD 4.2) to accept clients requests. In most of cases, it works fine. Sometimes, especially when clients disconnect and connect frequently in a short time, problems came up. After the tunnel is up, server and the client can't ping each other. On the server side, the ppp interface is up and the routing table is right. One the other side, the client gets the IP assigned by the server, and aslo gets a ppp tunnel. It seems nothing wrong. If I reboot the server box, when the client connects again, it works fine again. So I am afraid the assigned IP or something else "held" by the server in that moment. But how can I release these things when this happens, rebooting the server is not a good idea at all. Any help or hint will be appreciated. Thanks. Jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 17: 2:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE8137B403 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:02:43 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A985C251@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Pre-installing apps in jail environment Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:02:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Are there utilities around that will automate installation of applications in a jail environment? We have a service that offers pre-installed applications like webmin (control panel), apache+php, etc. It's quite tedious to install these apps every time there's a new customer. --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 27 17:52:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pcp01235224pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net (pcp01235224pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net [68.60.242.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF7E37B408 for ; Mon, 27 May 2002 17:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 70893 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 00:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beta) (10.10.128.10) by 192.168.128.10 with SMTP; 28 May 2002 00:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <017a01c205e1$fd1a1280$0a800a0a@edgehosting.com> From: "Joe White" To: , Subject: Re: Pre-installing apps in jail environment Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:52:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Might I just suggest just making your own shell script to run the install for everything. Log the commands that you run to install everything into a jail, put them into a simple script, and then run that script w/ the same version of all the programs as before. Just make sure that if you need to enter in some data somewhere while a program is installing, you make note of it. Worked for me when I needed to setup the same kinda server about 20 times or so. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Pre-installing apps in jail environment > Hi, > > Are there utilities around that will automate installation of applications > in a jail environment? We have a service that offers pre-installed > applications like webmin (control panel), apache+php, etc. It's quite > tedious to install these apps every time there's a new customer. > > --- > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 3:27:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E8E37B407 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay03-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay03-en1 [10.13.10.222]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g4SARPEM016050 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay03-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g4SARKC7007753 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([207.6.134.194]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GWTH1J00.97G for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 03:27:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 03:27:17 -0700 Subject: LDAP/NIS/NetInfo for dummies??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Tom Wiebe To: isp@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <017a01c205e1$fd1a1280$0a800a0a@edgehosting.com> Message-Id: <7BFAB3CF-7225-11D6-AD93-0030658FC1FC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I hope that this is the right place to ask this question. The rollout of our shiny new FreeBSD Boxen has been delayed by Sprint Canada's er, high quality service. ;-) In the couple of weeks while I wait for our new upstream provider to send around the install dude, I thought I'd take the time to further tweak our FreeBSD Setup. We're currently running Mac Classic and OS X boxes, will be adding 2 FreeBSD Boxes shortly and, as I transition away from the Classic Mac OS, those boxes will be retrofitted with Darwin, NetBSD or possibly Yellow Dog Linux, meaning that we'll have about 8 servers running a variety of *nixen. All of this got me to thinking about some sort of authentication server to tie it all together, so I don't have to duplicate stuff across machines etc. My question: is there any resource out there on the internet or any good books that will explain how to do this in a fashion that won't cause my eyes to gloss over and grow crusty. I know that all the above systems will integrate fine (classic mac excluded, but that's not an issue), but I need a real basic put tab A into slot B type tutorial to get me going. Any suggestions??? TIA, Tom Wiebe The Image Foundation http://www.imagefoundation.com/ (604) 688-3124 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 8:28:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5785437B405 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 80099 invoked from network); 28 May 2002 15:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.220) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 28 May 2002 15:22:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3CF3A22E.9040606@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:28:46 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020523 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: IRC server choices & setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did anyone of you ever setup an IRC server? If so, which would you prefer? Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 8:38:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe22.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAFD37B40A for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 08:38:24 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [207.112.2.1] From: "jack xiao" To: Subject: problem on pppd Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:35:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2002 15:38:24.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[B42BF4E0:01C2065D] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am using kenerl ppp(pppd) on our DSL server (FBSD 4.2) to accept clients requests. In most of cases, it works fine. Sometimes, especially when clients disconnect and connect frequently in a short time, problems came up. After the tunnel is up, server and the client can't ping each other. On the server side, the ppp interface is up and the routing table is right. On the other side, the client gets the IP assigned by the server, and aslo gets a ppp tunnel. It seems nothing wrong. If I reboot the server box, when the client connects again, it works fine again. So I am afraid the assigned IP or something else "held" by the server in that moment. But how can I release these things when this happens, rebooting the server is not a good idea at all. By the way, I'm using pppd-2.3.5 with radius function support. Any help or hint will be appreciated. Thanks. Jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 9:12:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from front1.chartermi.net (24.213.60.123.up.mi.chartermi.net [24.213.60.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EB637B404 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.247.40.60] (HELO danrc) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 107043166 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 12:12:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c20662$6ffba680$0b01a8c0@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: References: <3CF3A22E.9040606@digitaldaemon.com> Subject: Re: IRC server choices & setup Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:12:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Knepper" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: IRC server choices & setup > Did anyone of you ever setup an IRC server? > If so, which would you prefer? Well, Hybrid and Bahamut are probably the best two out there. Undernet's IRCd (does it even have a cool name like the rest?) is pretty popular too. There are all sorts of variations out there based on these main three. For example, Bahamut is actually a blending of dreamforge and hybrid but isn't much like either one. I'd recommend DALnet's daemon (Bahamut - http://bahamut.dal.net/) because the support is out there and it's well documented anyway. The latest official release (mandatory upgrade for DALnet's servers) is 1.4.34 and was released about a week ago (ftp.dal.net). On the Bahamut site they tell you all sorts of things and how to install. They even used to have several tutorials on how to secure FreeBSD for IRCd and how to modify FreeBSD to get the most out of the daemon. I can't find all of them but I have found this one http://www.dal.net/admin/vote/seceval.php3 which is relatively new. If you search around you might find some different ones prepared by other DALnet admins/coders. On another note, as you probably know, running an IRC server opens a large can of worms. Unless it's completely private it will get attacked regularly. A lot of people don't plan for this. > Thanks! > Jan -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 15:23: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from farley.org (dsl-64-194-106-77.telocity.com [64.194.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717B837B400 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.farley.org (rsqa8hu3drmkw216@thor.farley.org [192.168.1.5]) by gw.farley.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4SMMnvF095188 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:22:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sean-freebsd@farley.org) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:22:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Farley X-X-Sender: sean@thor.farley.org To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Web site security questions Message-ID: <20020528171331.I87801-100000@thor.farley.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am setting up a commerce site on FreeBSD, but I want to go over my ideas for making it as secure as possible while still usable. Here are my current notes on the security setup: ------------------------------ Steps ----- 1) Run main machine with jails for applications. - Only allow connections via SSH from designated IPs. 2) Run database within jail on non-routable IP. - Turn off all services except for the database. - Only accept connections from the other jails using the configuration file. - Only allow connections to the database from the other jails using the firewall. 3) Run store within different jail. - Turn off all services except for the web server and SSH. - Only allow connections via SSH from designated IPs. 4) Apply, from main machine, 'chflags -R schg' (immutable) to: - /usr/local/pgsql/data/*.conf - /usr/local/etc/apache/ - /usr/local/www/store/ This should prevent anyone from altering the secure flow between the database and the store. 5) Change code to encrypt the credit card numbers with a public key. 6) Change code to decrypt the credit card numbers via an encrypted key stored within the database. 7) Change code to prompt for a password whenever a credit card number is pulled from the database. This will take a bit of work to make this convenient. Weaknesses ---------- 1) The main machine is compromised as root. This would allow a cracker to change flags and therefore any code. 2) The database jail is compromised. As root or the database user, a cracker would be able to stop the database server and create own copy of server for web application to connect against. With this the cracker will be able to log all queries. ------------------------------ Does this look like it would be secure enough? Is there any advice on what I can do to make this scheme better? Sean ----------------------- sean-freebsd@farley.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 16:15:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from lemon.national.com.au (lemon.national.com.au [203.57.241.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B937B406 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lemon.national.com.au (Postfix, from userid 5) id F2BF59FBD8; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:04:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from webjump.national.com.au(164.53.27.38) by lemon.national.com.au via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAAKKayN1; Wed, 29 May 02 09:04:24 +1000 Received: (from nconedd@localhost) by webjump.national.com.au (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g4SN4Lv24667; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:04:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:04:21 +1000 From: Enno Davids To: Sean Farley Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web site security questions Message-ID: <20020529090421.Q23636@webjump.national.com.au> References: <20020528171331.I87801-100000@thor.farley.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020528171331.I87801-100000@thor.farley.org>; from sean-freebsd@farley.org on Tue, May 28, 2002 at 05:22:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 05:22:49PM -0500, Sean Farley wrote: | |5) Change code to encrypt the credit card numbers with a public key. | |6) Change code to decrypt the credit card numbers via an encrypted key | stored within the database. | |7) Change code to prompt for a password whenever a credit card number is | pulled from the database. This will take a bit of work to make this | convenient. | There are some obvious key management issues here and clearly you're at least making the attempt to grapple with them, but there is an alternative which is to simply NOT STORE the credit card numbers to begin with. If they're not stored, they can't be compromised. At least not in the routine manner they might be if they're in a database. This may of course require changes to the business model you're offerring (most people want to do recurring billing and want to do it by grabbing and holding onto their customers credit card numbers). You'll be aware that essentially ALL the anecdotal evidence about theft of credit card numbers devolves to people breaking into systems and accessing stored lists/databases. There is essentially no evidence of them being snooped off wires or stolen by trojans or the various other alternatives so far (which may only mean that no one's been caught of course... but its worth considering). Anyway, just a thought, Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 18:50: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from subterrain.net (subterrain.net [63.104.50.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4216837B406 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from subterrain.net (jbl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subterrain.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4T1nvkb095058 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbl@subterrain.net) Received: (from jbl@localhost) by subterrain.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4T1nv0Y095057 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 28 May 2002 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:49:57 -0700 From: Justin Lundy To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web site security questions Message-ID: <20020528184957.A95036@subterrain.net> References: <20020528171331.I87801-100000@thor.farley.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020528171331.I87801-100000@thor.farley.org>; from sean-freebsd@farley.org on Tue, May 28, 2002 at 05:22:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: There are some additional considerations you may wish to review: http://www.subterrain.net/presentations/sml-bsd-toorcon-2001.html Enough people have asked for this information that maybe we should write and maintain an up-to-date FAQ? Signed, -jbl -- ---=[ Practice is not a matter of years and months. It is concentration. ]=-- ---=[ Email: jbl@subterrain.net o0o Web: http://www.subterrain.net/~jbl/ ]=-- ---=[ PGP fingerprint: 345A A958 67A3 A215 0270 5102 8002 8B4C 3803 A9BC ]=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 19:47:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oubliette.darkspire.net (oubliette.darkspire.net [216.80.25.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E177C37B406 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stardust.darkspire.net ([216.80.25.138] ident=daemon) by oubliette.darkspire.net with esmtp (angarius/aenigma) id 17CtUa-0000ei-00 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:47:16 -0500 Received: (from oneiros@localhost) by stardust.darkspire.net (sol/avis) id g4T2lFN00671 for FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:47:15 -0500 From: James To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: IRC server choices & setup Message-ID: <20020528214715.A612@stardust.darkspire.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP References: <3CF3A22E.9040606@digitaldaemon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CF3A22E.9040606@digitaldaemon.com>; from jan@digitaldaemon.com on Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:28:46AM -0400 X-PGP-Key: On keyservers and Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Jan Knepper (jan@digitaldaemon.com): > Did anyone of you ever setup an IRC server? If so, which would you > prefer? I'd recommend [1]ircd-hybrid. But, your choices are many, so try what looks interesting to you. All the various ircds generally are developed to accommodate for different network's policies, load, topology, etc. 1. ftp://ftp.blackened.com/pub/irc/hybrid/ -- James A pair of young girls. uri: http://oneiros.darkspire.net/ A pair of flying ducks. A 1024D/62C2F77D trout leaps from a dam. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 28 21:21:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1214B37B400 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4001 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2002 04:21:42 -0000 Received: from zux187-249.adsl.green.ch (HELO blaa) (80.254.187.249) by mail.gmx.net (mp001-rz3) with SMTP; 29 May 2002 04:21:42 -0000 From: "thomas vogt" To: Subject: AW: Web site security questions Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:20:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c206c8$36cfa940$2101a8c0@blaa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020528184957.A95036@subterrain.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello This is also very intressting to read. http://draenor.org/securebsd/secure.txt regards Thomas > Hello: > > There are some additional considerations you may wish to review: > > http://www.subterrain.net/presentations/sml-bsd-toorcon-2001.html > > Enough people have asked for this information that maybe we should > write and maintain an up-to-date FAQ? > > Signed, > -jbl > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 1:56:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from westhost30.westhost.net (westhost30.westhost.net [216.71.84.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162C637B404 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 01:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ozzone (CPE-61-9-165-182.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.165.182]) by westhost30.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g4T8u1k22276 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:56:02 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c206ee$50867f50$0100a8c0@ozzone> From: "Arkadi Kosmynin" To: "freebsd-isp" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Announcement!_New_software_released_-_binary_enhanced_News?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?-to-Web_gateway?= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:53:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C20742.1E2B10D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C20742.1E2B10D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oz Insight is announcing release of Ozway - its binary enhanced = News-to-Web gateway.=20 Ozway is designed to provide a WYSIWYG access to Usenet binary groups = carrying images (though it can be used with other newsgroups as well). = It is a fast and scalable application capable of supporting hundreds of = simultaneous connections from users.=20 The main value of Ozway to ISPs is an easy and joyful interface to their = news server that Ozway can provide. We hope that Ozway can help you to = introduce your users to the Usenet, make the Usenet fun and popular = among your users. This may help you to achieve huge savings in external = traffic because if your users start downloading binaries from your local = news server, they won't use your external Web link that much! There are = lots of binary goodies posted in newsgroups! And it is amazing how few = people know about the Usenet and use it.=20 It takes only 10 minutes to install and configure Ozway. It runs as a = separate HTTP daemon and is just another client to your news server. So, = it will not disrupt work of your news server or do nasty things to your = Web server. Ozway has a built-in cache, so, it can be used to take part of the load = off your news server. Also, if you don't have a news server and = outsourcing news service, you can use Ozway as an on-site cache.=20 To read more about Ozway, please visit this page: http://www.ozinsight.com/ozway/index.php=20 We are interested in Ozway reaching end users ASAP. This is why we are = offering free licenses to ISPs who start using Ozway soon. Please read = more here: http://www.ozinsight.com/ozway/start.html=20 There are versions available for Linux 7.1 or later, FreeBSD 4.3 or = later and Win2K/NT. Hope to hear from you, =20 Arkadi. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C20742.1E2B10D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oz Insight=20 is announcing release of Ozway – its binary enhanced News-to-Web=20 gateway. 

Ozway is=20 designed to provide a WYSIWYG access to Usenet binary groups carrying = images=20 (though it can be used with other newsgroups as well). It is a fast and = scalable=20 application capable of supporting hundreds of simultaneous connections = from=20 users.

The main=20 value of Ozway to ISPs is an easy and joyful interface to their news = server that=20 Ozway can provide. We hope that Ozway can help you to introduce your = users to=20 the Usenet, make the Usenet fun and popular among your users.  This may help you to achieve = huge=20 savings in external traffic because if your users start downloading = binaries=20 from your local news server, they won’t use your external Web link = that much!=20 There are lots of binary goodies posted in newsgroups! And it is amazing = how few=20 people know about the Usenet and use it. 

It takes=20 only 10 minutes to install and configure Ozway. It runs as a separate = HTTP=20 daemon and is just another client to your news server. So, it will not = disrupt=20 work of your news server or do nasty things to your Web=20 server.

Ozway has a=20 built-in cache, so, it can be used to take part of the load off your = news=20 server. Also, if you don’t have a news server and outsourcing news = service, you=20 can use Ozway as an on-site cache. 

To read=20 more about Ozway, please visit this page:

http://www.ozinsight.co= m/ozway/index.php 

We are=20 interested in Ozway reaching end users ASAP. This is why we are offering = free=20 licenses to ISPs who start using Ozway soon. Please read more=20 here:

http://www.ozinsight.c= om/ozway/start.html 

There are versions available for = Linux 7.1 or=20 later, FreeBSD 4.3 or later and Win2K/NT.

Hope to hear from you,

 

Arkadi.

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C20742.1E2B10D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 3:11:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from box.microlink.ee (box.microlink.ee [194.106.120.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C0C37B404 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from microlink.ee (aleksei.ml.ee [194.106.100.176]) by box.microlink.ee with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id L544RFR7; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:09:25 +0300 Message-ID: <3CF4A9A6.69C149AD@microlink.ee> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:12:54 +0300 From: Aleksei Davidenko Organization: Microlink Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: about VPN to the FreeBSD Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------49895AD63F5BA4C4C00649F7" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------49895AD63F5BA4C4C00649F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All! Someone build system for connect from W2k to the FreeBSD server by VPN (client have got as fixed internet IP as so and not fixed IP) connection ? Can you send me adviced about VPN servers daemons and conf? --------------49895AD63F5BA4C4C00649F7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; name="aleksei.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Aleksei Davidenko Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="aleksei.vcf" begin:vcard n:Davidenko;Aleksei tel;cell:+372-5-079644 tel;work:+372-6-501778 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Microlink Data;Outsourcing adr:;;Parnu mnt. 158;Tallinn;;;Estonia version:2.1 email;internet:aleksei@microlink.ee title:Oracle DBA/ SUN Sysadmin SCSA fn:Aleksei Davidenko end:vcard --------------49895AD63F5BA4C4C00649F7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 4:41:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B12C37B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119aekg.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.58.144] helo=ns.flncs.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17D1pg-0002vG-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 04:41:36 -0700 Received: from mlevy (cylex [12.27.148.78]) by ns.flncs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 520965422; Wed, 29 May 2002 07:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014c01c20705$c3ac8710$fd6e34c6@mlevy> From: "Moti" To: "Aleksei Davidenko" , References: <3CF4A9A6.69C149AD@microlink.ee> Subject: Re: about VPN to the FreeBSD Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:24:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.daemonnews.org/200101/ipsec-howto.html http://www.itga.com.au/~gnb/vpn/pptp-serv.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleksei Davidenko" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:12 AM Subject: about VPN to the FreeBSD > Hi All! > > Someone build system for connect from W2k to the FreeBSD server > by VPN (client have got as fixed internet IP as so and not fixed IP) > connection ? > Can you send me adviced about VPN servers daemons and conf? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 5:53:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3794137B400 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4804 invoked by uid 85); 29 May 2002 12:52:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wireless) (216.252.230.146) by mail.liberiaonline.com.lr with SMTP; 29 May 2002 12:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c2070f$ce566eb0$04ef10ac@wireless> From: "Max" To: Subject: Firewall Setup Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:53:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2070F.CBB49AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2070F.CBB49AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am just setting up a firewall on my Freebsd 4.4 server that is being = used as a router. Problem is I would just like to have a subset of = machines on my network access that router instread of the whole network. = Could anyone give me some pointers for my rc.firewall file? Max ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2070F.CBB49AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I am just setting up a firewall on my = Freebsd 4.4=20 server that is being used as a router. Problem is I would just like to = have a=20 subset of machines on my network access that router instread of the = whole=20 network. Could anyone give me some pointers for my rc.firewall=20 file?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2070F.CBB49AB0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 5:59: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from park.rambler.ru (park.rambler.ru [217.73.193.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A81737B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 05:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park-gw (park-gw [217.73.193.2]) by park.rambler.ru (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g4TCx0k04085; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:59:01 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from kaa@rambler-co.ru) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:59:00 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Kopeyko X-Sender: kaa@park.rambler.ru To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: Max Subject: Re: Firewall Setup In-Reply-To: <004001c2070f$ce566eb0$04ef10ac@wireless> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 May 2002, Max wrote: > Hi > > I am just setting up a firewall on my Freebsd 4.4 server that is being > used as a router. Problem is I would just like to have a subset of > machines on my network access that router instread of the whole > network. Could anyone give me some pointers for my rc.firewall file? What does it means - "access that router instread of the whole network"?? Can you explain your needs in a few more words? -- Best regards, Andrew Kopeyko Rambler Co. http://www.rambler.ru/ phone : +7 095 745-3619 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 6:24:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FEAA37B400 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 06:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5102 invoked by uid 85); 29 May 2002 13:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wireless) (216.252.230.146) by mail.liberiaonline.com.lr with SMTP; 29 May 2002 13:23:14 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> From: "Max" To: References: Subject: Re: Firewall Setup Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:24:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Kopeyko" To: Cc: "Max" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > On Wed, 29 May 2002, Max wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I am just setting up a firewall on my Freebsd 4.4 server that is being > > used as a router. Problem is I would just like to have a subset of > > machines on my network access that router instread of the whole > > network. Could anyone give me some pointers for my rc.firewall file? > > What does it means - "access that router instread of the whole network"?? > > Can you explain your needs in a few more words? My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few machines to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a client sets this router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the Internet! I am thinking of some IP rules that would do this trick. However when I allow the subset of IPs there is a complaint from natd and routed like this: natd[158]: failed to write packet back (Permission denied) routed[165]: sendto(fxp0, 224.0.0.2): Permission denied That's what i mean! > > > -- > Best regards, > Andrew Kopeyko > > Rambler Co. http://www.rambler.ru/ > phone : +7 095 745-3619 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 7:34:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web000.govital.net (web000.govital.net [209.202.88.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20C937B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 07:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by web000.govital.net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g4TEXhR74532 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from admin@govital.net) Received: from govital.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web000.govital.net (8.11.6/8.11.4av) with ESMTP id g4TEXbi74510 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from admin@govital.net) From: "Administrator" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Proxim 9350 wireless cards 54/100mbps Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:33:37 -0400 Message-Id: <20020529103337.M36418@govital.net> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.64 20020415 X-OriginatingIP: 209.202.68.222 (admin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Do the Proxim 9350 mini pci wireless cards (802.11a 54Mbps/x2 100Mbps) work with FreeBSD 4-Stable? I'm looking into using them as the backbone of a wireless network. Any good or bad word on these cards? Chris Demers admin@govital.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 8:54:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from farley.org (dsl-64-194-106-77.telocity.com [64.194.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E427537B407 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.farley.org (xte88ino8exobq6g@thor.farley.org [192.168.1.5]) by gw.farley.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4TFsjvF099455; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:54:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sean-freebsd@farley.org) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:54:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Farley X-X-Sender: sean@thor.farley.org To: Enno Davids Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web site security questions In-Reply-To: <20020529090421.Q23636@webjump.national.com.au> Message-ID: <20020529104123.T92401-100000@thor.farley.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 May 2002 09:04, Enno Davids wrote: > On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 05:22:49PM -0500, Sean Farley wrote: > | > |5) Change code to encrypt the credit card numbers with a public key. > | > |6) Change code to decrypt the credit card numbers via an encrypted key > | stored within the database. > | > |7) Change code to prompt for a password whenever a credit card number is > | pulled from the database. This will take a bit of work to make this > | convenient. > | > > There are some obvious key management issues here and clearly you're at > least making the attempt to grapple with them, but there is an alternative > which is to simply NOT STORE the credit card numbers to begin with. If > they're not stored, they can't be compromised. At least not in the routine > manner they might be if they're in a database. This may of course require > changes to the business model you're offerring (most people want to do > recurring billing and want to do it by grabbing and holding onto their > customers credit card numbers). At first, the costs are against using an online credit card processor, but I hope to move to using one soon. In the mean time, I think I will change the code to delete the card number when the card has been charged. This should limit the number of cards that can be stolen. The question in my mind is whether my encryption scheme is worth it. Do the thieves dump the database and run? Or will they be more elaborate and do something to obtain the password for the key? You would not happen to have any recommendations for inexpensive yet good processors? Please no Athlon or Pentium suggestions. :) > You'll be aware that essentially ALL the anecdotal evidence about theft of > credit card numbers devolves to people breaking into systems and accessing > stored lists/databases. There is essentially no evidence of them being > snooped off wires or stolen by trojans or the various other alternatives so > far (which may only mean that no one's been caught of course... but its > worth considering). The database is the main target and not the application. That is good to know. It tells me where to focus my efforts, but I will still take precautions against snooping methods. Sean ----------------------- sean-freebsd@farley.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 8:57:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from farley.org (dsl-64-194-106-77.telocity.com [64.194.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4F637B40C for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.farley.org (8khv2g5ldtqlipqe@thor.farley.org [192.168.1.5]) by gw.farley.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4TFv6vF099468; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:57:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sean-freebsd@farley.org) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:57:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Farley X-X-Sender: sean@thor.farley.org To: Justin Lundy Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web site security questions In-Reply-To: <20020528184957.A95036@subterrain.net> Message-ID: <20020529105505.W92401-100000@thor.farley.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 May 2002 18:49, Justin Lundy wrote: > Hello: > > There are some additional considerations you may wish to review: > > http://www.subterrain.net/presentations/sml-bsd-toorcon-2001.html Thank you. I just turned off inetd. No services in it were being used, so there is no point in having it. syslogd is now using -ss for its flags on all my boxes. > Enough people have asked for this information that maybe we should > write and maintain an up-to-date FAQ? That would be very useful. Sean ----------------------- sean-freebsd@farley.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 8:59: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from farley.org (dsl-64-194-106-77.telocity.com [64.194.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F003C37B404 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.farley.org (ezdota1awr7doanz@thor.farley.org [192.168.1.5]) by gw.farley.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4TFwpvF099479; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:58:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sean-freebsd@farley.org) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:58:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Farley X-X-Sender: sean@thor.farley.org To: thomas vogt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AW: Web site security questions In-Reply-To: <001801c206c8$36cfa940$2101a8c0@blaa> Message-ID: <20020529105728.K92401-100000@thor.farley.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 May 2002 06:20, thomas vogt wrote: > Hello > > This is also very intressting to read. > > http://draenor.org/securebsd/secure.txt Thank you. I just finished reading it. Sean ----------------------- sean-freebsd@farley.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 10: 4:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from blue.gerhardt-it.com (gw.gerhardt-it.com [204.83.38.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D553B37B81D for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.100.111] (gw.gerhardt-it.com [204.83.38.103]) by blue.gerhardt-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7760010026; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:47:05 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1331 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:46:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Web site security questions From: Scott Gerhardt To: Sean Farley , Justin Lundy Cc: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020529105505.W92401-100000@thor.farley.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a basic suggestion: If you want to store passwords you can do a few things to make it more difficult for the evil to steal them. Besides encrypting the DB entries you could limit potential exposure by doing something as simple as separating the card numbers as several different entries in separate tables/databases. You can also store the personal information that is require for authentication (expiry date and name) in different locations as well. I guess this could be called low-tech obfuscation. By doing this, the potential hacker will have to breach several DB's and then have to figure out how to assemble the pieces to make a valid credit card. You could also make it more difficult by adding bogus entries in the DB to confuse the hacker even further ;-) -- Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. Gerhardt Information Technologies [G-IT] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 10:16:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF3D37B8A7 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 09:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d1o1000.telia.com (d1o1000.telia.com [217.208.12.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4TGmZB21295; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:48:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from veidit.net (h54n1fls35o1000.telia.com [217.210.234.54]) by d1o1000.telia.com (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4TGmZa12053; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CF50661.8010500@veidit.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:48:33 +0200 From: John Angelmo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020528 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Administrator Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proxim 9350 wireless cards 54/100mbps References: <20020529103337.M36418@govital.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Administrator wrote: > Greetings, > > Do the Proxim 9350 mini pci wireless cards (802.11a 54Mbps/x2 100Mbps) work > with FreeBSD 4-Stable? I'm looking into using them as the backbone of a > wireless network. Any good or bad word on these cards? > > Chris Demers > admin@govital.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message What I have heard is that the 100Mbit stuff works only the first 30 cm from the AP ;) Then it will kickback to 72Mbit but it's "truespeed" is only 2Mbit over the 802.11a standard, it allso uses more channels and well isn't compatible :) /John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 10:22:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.wananchi.com (ns2.wananchi.com [212.49.74.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC6137BE73 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wash by ns2.wananchi.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (FreeBSD)) id 17D6Y4-000F1o-00 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:43:44 +0300 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:43:44 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Free Chat servers?? Message-ID: <20020529164344.GB43398@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: Never call a man a fool X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 7:41PM up 9 days, 10:13, 4 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.29, 0.31 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiya, Any recommendations as to 'free' chat servers out there? I've seen nfc from sourceforge but not any others. I'd like to give my users a web interface to chat out and so looking for recommendations. NFC looks good but so far I have a problem getting it up... Thanks in advance. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington "The box said 'Requires Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com Windows 95, NT, or better,' Tel: 254 2 313985-9 Fax: 254 2 313922 so I installed FreeBSD." GSM: 254 72 743 223 GSM: 254 733 744 121 This sig is McQ! :-) "I've seen, I SAY, I've seen better heads on a mug of beer" -- Senator Claghorn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 10:32:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from starcraft.mweb.co.za (starcraft.mweb.co.za [196.2.45.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC36F37C514 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpt-dial-196-30-178-169.mweb.co.za ([196.30.178.169] helo=genocide) by starcraft.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.01) id 17D7Bn-0008Gp-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:24:48 +0200 Message-ID: <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> From: "Chris Knipe" To: "Max" , References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> Subject: Re: Firewall Setup Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:25:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few machines > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a client > sets this > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the Internet! Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed towards the right router. You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, but that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" router route add if I'm not mistaken. So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned to router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing it back to router 1. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 11: 9:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.kka.com (smtp.kka.com [63.141.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6583D37B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Firewall Setup To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: Eric_Stanfield@kenokozie.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:04:06 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Notes1st/Keno(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 05/29/2002 01:04:08 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Assuming the router in question is a Cisco, you can accomplish what you want by putting a route-map on the default router which sets the packets next hop to the 'other' router based on the source address of the outbound traffic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Eric Stanfield, K2Access Keno Kozie Associates 222 N LaSalle #1500 Chicago, IL 60606 (312) 332-3000 "Chris Knipe" , rg> Sent by: cc: owner-freebsd-isp@F Subject: Re: Firewall Setup reeBSD.ORG 05/29/2002 12:25 PM > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few machines > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a client > sets this > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the Internet! Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed towards the right router. You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, but that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" router route add if I'm not mistaken. So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned to router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing it back to router 1. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 11:45: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stout.eaznet.com (stout.eaznet.com [63.229.182.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E937B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Eddie.eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [63.229.182.16]) by stout.eaznet.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g4TI8Pp35548 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 11:08:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529114250.031d3d78@mail.eaznet.com> X-Sender: eddie@mail.eaznet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:44:57 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: EAZNet - Eddie Fry Subject: Restoring Directories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am setting up a new 4.5 Server and accidently deleted most of the directories in /usr/local. What's the easiest way to restore the directories/files I've removed? Thanks, Eddie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 13:31:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 820CD37B405 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 13:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10475 invoked by uid 85); 29 May 2002 20:30:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wireless) (216.252.230.146) by mail.liberiaonline.com.lr with SMTP; 29 May 2002 20:30:07 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c2074f$c3076dd0$04ef10ac@wireless> From: "Max" To: "Chris Knipe" , References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> Subject: Re: Firewall Setup Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:31:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knipe" To: "Max" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few > machines > > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a > client > > sets this > > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the > Internet! > > Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A > firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the > "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed > towards the right router. > > You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, but > that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would > just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" > router > > route add if I'm not mistaken. > > So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned to > router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing it > back to router 1. > In my terms, here's what I am looking @ I have 172.16.239.0/24 and I would like only 172.16.239.104/29 to access this router In your terms, what would that look like? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:21: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AC637B407 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529212055.ULDO15488.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:20:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TKM3q39480; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:22:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TKLv239472; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:21:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c206e6$0c43a640$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all: I have taken the liberty of making available to you the following competitor's rates for PRI's. I wonder if anyone can comment in terms of why are Bell's PRI's so much more per month particularly for long term, multi services customers.(I'm referring to customers who have, and still do, spent thousands of dollars per month for the last 7 years)(such as my company) I say this with all due respect for all here with whom I have worked many times in the past, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is a SUBSTANTIAL difference in price and I wonder just how does Bell justify that..... Also please note that their installation charge is cut by half on a 2 year contract and WAIVED on a 3 year contract (something which Bell has never been willing to negotiate) (I have always been told that this installation fee cannot be changed, discounted or waived in any way shape or form because it's tariffed).... Aside from that, I will also take the liberty to (in general) let you know that some of us (independent ISP's) are VERY concerned about Bell's practices where it involves high speed Internet. It seems as if from the very beginning, Bell is pricing their ADSL retail services at levels which seem to be designed to eliminate? competition. I am certainly not pointing any fingers here (I can't afford the lawsuits) but I would think that you are all aware of several matters who have (or still are) in front of the CRTC. Anyways, I'm not trying to get into the legalities of this, I guess what I am trying to do is to make you (the group of people who help us, support us, and with whom we work day in and day out)aware of the fact that a number of us (Independent ISP's) are loosing customers every day to Bell because we just can't compete with such ridiculous low rates, giveaways, etc. It would almost make one think about what it is that you guys are going to be doing when there is no more ISP's to support....... Lastly, I have included in this list the two ISP's lists that I belong to because I thought that maybe it's time for everyone to start talking, let's face it, we don't want to be out of business anymore than you guys want to be out of a job so perhaps we can start discussing some of the realities of our everyday working lives. I would like to point out that I speak for myself and not for anyone else and that my comments and/or questions are not of a malicious nature, I am just concerned about the fact that it seems to me there are a number of things which are not as crystal clear as we all expect them to be from an organization as respected as Bell. It also seems to me as if Bell is very aggresively going after the business from which I put food on my family's table, and it seems to me that somehow I have no real means of competing in any kind of fair, levelled playing field..... Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Best regards to you all. I look forward to continue doing business with all of you for as long as I have customers left. George Ramos Durham Net Inc > > > > > > > > > > > These are the Terms and conditions from one of your competitors: > > > > > > 1 Year: $510.00/Month and $700.00 Install. > > > 2 Year: $465.00/Month and $350.00 Install. > > > 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:34: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from abacom.com (kahlua.abacom.com [207.253.160.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A07137B400 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (aparsons@localhost) by abacom.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4TLXYr11838; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:33:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:33:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Alain Parsons To: George Ramos Cc: ispchat@bell.ca, julie.taylor@bell.ca, julie.allain@bell.ca, marc.morin@bell.ca, mike.gosselin@bell.ca, joanne.page@bell.ca, sherwood.flemming@bell.ca, leslie.williams@bell.ca, ken.white@bell.ca, sheila.ward@bell.ca, j.steele@bell.ca, anita.archambault@bell.ca, f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca, joelle.picard@bell.ca, stephanie.riley@bell.ca, diane.cincar@bell.ca, list@iip.ca, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. In-Reply-To: <000f01c206e6$0c43a640$20fea8c0@ddd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I think the reason is that Bell can't realy cut the prices until they have lost a % to the competitors. This was ordered by the CRTC to promote local competition. I guess Bell has spent so much time telling the CRTC that the price had to go up for many reasons over the years that the CRTC told Bell to keep on selling at that price now that some competition exists. I have been told that Bell has to loose something like 30% of the market before that are able to cut the prices and tell their clients that they have been over charging them for years, no? From what i was told by my Bell Rep, thay realy can't cut the price untill the CTRC approves such a price cut. I to have been paying over 300K per year to Bell and will cut my bill by half next year by switching. I understand your reaction. BTW, 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install is a very goor price. Is this In CO or at your location. A guy in Quegec got 368$ per month per PRI from Videotron having close to 50 PRIs. Quite the deal! But Bell can sell you ADSL under cost at home! Have a nice day. On Wed, 29 May 2002, George Ramos wrote: > Hello all: > > I have taken the liberty of making available to you the following > competitor's rates for PRI's. > I wonder if anyone can comment in terms of why are Bell's PRI's so much more > per month particularly for long term, multi services customers.(I'm > referring to customers who have, and still do, spent thousands of dollars > per month for the last 7 years)(such as my company) > I say this with all due respect for all here with whom I have worked many > times in the past, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is > a SUBSTANTIAL difference in price and I wonder just how does Bell justify > that..... > Also please note that their installation charge is cut by half on a 2 year > contract and WAIVED on a 3 year contract (something which Bell has never > been willing to negotiate) (I have always been told that this installation > fee cannot be changed, discounted or waived in any way shape or form because > it's tariffed).... > Aside from that, I will also take the liberty to (in general) let you know > that some of us (independent ISP's) are VERY concerned about Bell's > practices where it involves high speed Internet. It seems as if from the > very beginning, Bell is pricing their ADSL retail services at levels which > seem to be designed to eliminate? competition. I am certainly not pointing > any fingers here (I can't afford the lawsuits) but I would think that you > are all aware of several matters who have (or still are) in front of the > CRTC. Anyways, I'm not trying to get into the legalities of this, I guess > what I am trying to do is to make you (the group of people who help us, > support us, and with whom we work day in and day out)aware of the fact that > a number of us (Independent ISP's) are loosing customers every day to Bell > because we just can't compete with such ridiculous low rates, giveaways, > etc. > It would almost make one think about what it is that you guys are going to > be doing when there is no more ISP's to support....... > > Lastly, I have included in this list the two ISP's lists that I belong to > because I thought that maybe it's time for everyone to start talking, let's > face it, we don't want to be out of business anymore than you guys want to > be out of a job so perhaps we can start discussing some of the realities of > our everyday working lives. > > I would like to point out that I speak for myself and not for anyone else > and that my comments and/or questions are not of a malicious nature, I am > just concerned about the fact that it seems to me there are a number of > things which are not as crystal clear as we all expect them to be from an > organization as respected as Bell. It also seems to me as if Bell is very > aggresively going after the business from which I put food on my family's > table, and it seems to me that somehow I have no real means of competing in > any kind of fair, levelled playing field..... > > Any comments will be greatly appreciated. > > > Best regards to you all. I look forward to continue doing business with all > of you for as long as I have customers left. > > > George Ramos > Durham Net Inc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the Terms and conditions from one of your competitors: > > > > > > > > 1 Year: $510.00/Month and $700.00 Install. > > > > 2 Year: $465.00/Month and $350.00 Install. > > > > 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install. > > > > > Services Internet ABACOM Alain Parsons(Ventes-Sales) sales@abacom.com Tel:+1 819 820 2929 Ext:223 Fax:+1 819 820 8866 http://www.abacom.com http://www.hautevitesse.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:44:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.cabledns.net (internet.edu.nf [64.42.232.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B5C37B407 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OK (bbiz42biy287e.ab.hsia.telus.net [142.59.192.145]) by www.cabledns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28441; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:43:31 -0600 Message-ID: <00df01c20759$e1d28830$91c03b8e@OK> From: "Pamela Patterson" To: "Alain Parsons" , "George Ramos" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , References: Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:43:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. Pamela Patterson * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:44:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7DB37B40F for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529214425.WVPH13554.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:44:25 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TKjYG39550; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:45:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TKjS239542; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:45:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c206e9$5428c5a0$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Alain, thank you. I am sure that the folks at Bell ( the guys and gals like you and I) that go to work everyday to make a living and with whom we all work day and day out can only want what's best for us (after all, we are as a group a HUGE customer) and we all kinda got to know each other. That is the reason why after some thinking I decided to just throw this in the middle and see if there is any hope of having Bell actually work with us and their own staff.... -----Original Message----- From: Alain Parsons [mailto:aparsons@abacom.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:34 PM To: George Ramos Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Hello all, I think the reason is that Bell can't realy cut the prices until they have lost a % to the competitors. This was ordered by the CRTC to promote local competition. I guess Bell has spent so much time telling the CRTC that the price had to go up for many reasons over the years that the CRTC told Bell to keep on selling at that price now that some competition exists. I have been told that Bell has to loose something like 30% of the market before that are able to cut the prices and tell their clients that they have been over charging them for years, no? >From what i was told by my Bell Rep, thay realy can't cut the price untill the CTRC approves such a price cut. I to have been paying over 300K per year to Bell and will cut my bill by half next year by switching. I understand your reaction. BTW, 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install is a very goor price. Is this In CO or at your location. A guy in Quegec got 368$ per month per PRI from Videotron having close to 50 PRIs. Quite the deal! But Bell can sell you ADSL under cost at home! Have a nice day. On Wed, 29 May 2002, George Ramos wrote: > Hello all: > > I have taken the liberty of making available to you the following > competitor's rates for PRI's. > I wonder if anyone can comment in terms of why are Bell's PRI's so much more > per month particularly for long term, multi services customers.(I'm > referring to customers who have, and still do, spent thousands of dollars > per month for the last 7 years)(such as my company) > I say this with all due respect for all here with whom I have worked many > times in the past, however, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is > a SUBSTANTIAL difference in price and I wonder just how does Bell justify > that..... > Also please note that their installation charge is cut by half on a 2 year > contract and WAIVED on a 3 year contract (something which Bell has never > been willing to negotiate) (I have always been told that this installation > fee cannot be changed, discounted or waived in any way shape or form because > it's tariffed).... > Aside from that, I will also take the liberty to (in general) let you know > that some of us (independent ISP's) are VERY concerned about Bell's > practices where it involves high speed Internet. It seems as if from the > very beginning, Bell is pricing their ADSL retail services at levels which > seem to be designed to eliminate? competition. I am certainly not pointing > any fingers here (I can't afford the lawsuits) but I would think that you > are all aware of several matters who have (or still are) in front of the > CRTC. Anyways, I'm not trying to get into the legalities of this, I guess > what I am trying to do is to make you (the group of people who help us, > support us, and with whom we work day in and day out)aware of the fact that > a number of us (Independent ISP's) are loosing customers every day to Bell > because we just can't compete with such ridiculous low rates, giveaways, > etc. > It would almost make one think about what it is that you guys are going to > be doing when there is no more ISP's to support....... > > Lastly, I have included in this list the two ISP's lists that I belong to > because I thought that maybe it's time for everyone to start talking, let's > face it, we don't want to be out of business anymore than you guys want to > be out of a job so perhaps we can start discussing some of the realities of > our everyday working lives. > > I would like to point out that I speak for myself and not for anyone else > and that my comments and/or questions are not of a malicious nature, I am > just concerned about the fact that it seems to me there are a number of > things which are not as crystal clear as we all expect them to be from an > organization as respected as Bell. It also seems to me as if Bell is very > aggresively going after the business from which I put food on my family's > table, and it seems to me that somehow I have no real means of competing in > any kind of fair, levelled playing field..... > > Any comments will be greatly appreciated. > > > Best regards to you all. I look forward to continue doing business with all > of you for as long as I have customers left. > > > George Ramos > Durham Net Inc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the Terms and conditions from one of your competitors: > > > > > > > > 1 Year: $510.00/Month and $700.00 Install. > > > > 2 Year: $465.00/Month and $350.00 Install. > > > > 3 Year: $425.00/Month and No Install. > > > > > Services Internet ABACOM Alain Parsons(Ventes-Sales) sales@abacom.com Tel:+1 819 820 2929 Ext:223 Fax:+1 819 820 8866 http://www.abacom.com http://www.hautevitesse.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:57:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216AB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529215711.LLGZ15871.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:57:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TKwJd39610; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TKwE239602; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c206eb$1de7b1c0$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00df01c20759$e1d28830$91c03b8e@OK> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people at Bell. Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in theory there is no reason for that... -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. Pamela Patterson * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:16:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from brian.reddens.ca (brian.reddens.ca [205.211.152.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDF437B404 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winxp1 (197-153-hse.wireless.redden.on.ca [205.211.153.197] (may be forged)) by brian.reddens.ca (8.11.6/linuxconf) with SMTP id g4TMiSb19412; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c2075e$6f062870$c599d3cd@winxp1> From: "Ian Redden" To: "Pamela Patterson" , , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , References: <002001c206eb$1de7b1c0$20fea8c0@ddd> <013401c2075c$49044f00$91c03b8e@OK> Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:16:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Guys! Myself, I havent had much luck with ISPCHAT as far as pricing goes. But I understand I am rural Ontario (layer 3) and understanding that, the pricing isnt so bad (I am still not going to pay the amount). --Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Patterson" To: ; "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about > this for a comment? > > Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. They > want it all! > > Cheers. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Ramos" > To: "'Pamela Patterson'" ; "'Alain Parsons'" > > Cc: ; ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; > ; ; ; > ; > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 > Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > > > > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support > people > > at Bell. > > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > > theory there is no reason for that... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca > > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and > marketing > > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales > guy > > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & > > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to > issue > > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > > > Pamela Patterson > > > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:25: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts12.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B17F37B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529222454.DQSR19079.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:24:54 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TLQ2g39671; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:26:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TLPu239663; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c206ee$fbdf6560$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <013401c2075c$49044f00$91c03b8e@OK> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You mean, they are happy to sell to us at inflated prices because they don't care if we stay in business or not, Or beter still, they want us out of business? Well, it's possible, this is perhaps one of the main reasons why I think the folks at Bell should be invited into this discussions (at least they will know what our reality is.....) -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:01 PM To: george@durham.net; 'Alain Parsons' Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" ; "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:35:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.cabledns.net (internet.edu.nf [64.42.232.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589B037B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OK (bbiz42biy287e.ab.hsia.telus.net [142.59.192.145]) by www.cabledns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31937; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:35:39 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c20761$2a6f13e0$91c03b8e@OK> From: "Pamela Patterson" To: , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , References: <002401c206ee$fbdf6560$20fea8c0@ddd> Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:35:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You mean, they are happy to sell to us at inflated prices because they don't > care if we stay in business or not, Or beter still, they want us out of > business? All of the above ! > Well, it's possible, this is perhaps one of the main reasons why I think the > folks at Bell should be invited into this discussions (at least they will > know what our reality is.....) Its always good to listen - ! Bell should be involved. Small companies mover faster, don't have to play the games big corp's invent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:40:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBB037B405 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529224025.RBN21842.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:40:25 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TLfXn39694; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:41:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TLfS239686; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:41:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c206f1$27bbcfa0$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001d01c20761$2a6f13e0$91c03b8e@OK> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, hopefully by tomorrow sometime we may have some input from the Bell people regarding these very same issues.... -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:36 PM To: george@durham.net; 'Alain Parsons' Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > You mean, they are happy to sell to us at inflated prices because they don't > care if we stay in business or not, Or beter still, they want us out of > business? All of the above ! > Well, it's possible, this is perhaps one of the main reasons why I think the > folks at Bell should be invited into this discussions (at least they will > know what our reality is.....) Its always good to listen - ! Bell should be involved. Small companies mover faster, don't have to play the games big corp's invent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:41:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7025A37B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529224128.GYWL12468.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:41:28 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TLgaq39707; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:42:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TLgV239699; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:42:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Tom Wiebe'" , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 05:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c206f1$4cf4ecc0$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <72D7460A-7353-11D6-BBC4-0030658FC1FC@imagefoundation.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm really not talking about 10Mb connections here Tom, I'm just talking PRI's. I'm not sure that I understand the comparison...... -----Original Message----- From: Tom Wiebe [mailto:tom@imagefoundation.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:29 PM To: Alain Parsons Cc: George Ramos; ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 02:33 PM, Alain Parsons wrote: > Hello all, > > I think the reason is that Bell can't realy cut the prices until they have > lost a % to the competitors. This was ordered by the CRTC to promote local > competition. > > I'm just going through the process of setting up our own hosting room and my experience with Bell was that they are quoting on very different products than the competitors (AT&T and Group Telecom in my case). I almost choked on my coffee when the Bell rep quoted me something like $5400/month for 10Mb access into the building we're looking at leasing, especially given that they're actually in the same building. This compared to $400-$700 per month plus bandwidth from the competition. There's a very important difference here though, the price from Bell was for a guaranteed, 100% sustainable 10 Mb usage with no additional bandwidth charges. The others were quoting on 10 Mb available bandwidth, in the building! So if there's a bigger fish than you upstairs, you may as well be serving on a cable modem. Should you actually use a sustained 10 Mb of bandwidth with the competition 24/7 (or a substantial portion thereof), the Bell connection would look cheap by comparison. AT&T and GT both also offered similar packages to the Bell connection, at slightly less per month. In fairness to the competion, GT will guarantee that you have 10 Mb available at all times, but the $400 /month connection is only single duplex and if you really need that bandwidth, it's best to go for the whole enchilada. It will be interesting indeed to see what the CRTC says this week. I for one am really glad that I don't have to sign any contracts until next month! Looking at the balance sheets of the Canadian Telco's makes me feel like I'm some sort of genius when it comes to money management cause I've still got $20 free on my visa and rent for June in the bank. At least I know I'll have a roof over my head next month, which would be a stretch for any of the telcos here to claim right now. Tom Wiebe The Image Foundation http://www.imagefoundation.com/ (604) 688-3124 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 15:49:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from starcraft.mweb.co.za (starcraft.mweb.co.za [196.2.45.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB2437B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpt-dial-196-30-178-169.mweb.co.za ([196.30.178.169] helo=genocide) by starcraft.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.01) id 17DCBv-0004GJ-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 00:45:18 +0200 Message-ID: <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> From: "Chris Knipe" To: References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> <001201c2074f$c3076dd0$04ef10ac@wireless> Subject: Re: Firewall Setup Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:40:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Knipe" > To: "Max" ; > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > > > > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few > > machines > > > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a > > client > > > sets this > > > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the > > Internet! > > > > Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A > > firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the > > "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed > > towards the right router. > > > > You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, > but > > that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would > > just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" > > router > > > > route add if I'm not mistaken. > > > > So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned to > > router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing > it > > back to router 1. > > > In my terms, here's what I am looking @ > I have 172.16.239.0/24 and I would like only 172.16.239.104/29 to access > this router > > In your terms, what would that look like? I'm going to presume that Router 1 is on 172.16.239.1 and Router 2 on 172.16.239.105 The default gateway (next hop) of Router 1, is x.x.x.x and the default gateway (next hop) of Router 2, is y.y.y.y Router 1 (Default that everyone use) - You have a normal default gateway, just as any other router route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x Router 2 (Only allowed by 172.16.239.104/29) - Default route routes back into your network, the additional subnet routes to the "gateway". route add 172.16.239.104 255.255.255.248 y.y.y.y route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 172.16.239.1 --OR-- route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x I have not tested this, I don't have the resources to. In theory something like this should work however. Play around with it, read some fine manuals, it is very possible. I've done something very similar on FreeBSD before re-routing a network via two different Internet connections (redundancy type of scenario).... Some things to keep in mind: - Dynamic routing (such as routed, or BGP, RIP, etc) *WILL* break this, so I'd recommend not doing this if you already use any form of dynamic routing. - IP Forwarding and those kind of stuff is obviously required. - On Router 2, it is also essential (under Linux it is, I don't know if FreeBSD behaves in the same way) that the subnet's route (172.16.239.104/29) comes BEFORE your default route. -- me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 16: 0:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.cabledns.net (internet.edu.nf [64.42.232.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B10637B405 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OK (bbiz42biy287e.ab.hsia.telus.net [142.59.192.145]) by www.cabledns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29556; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:00:43 -0600 Message-ID: <013401c2075c$49044f00$91c03b8e@OK> From: "Pamela Patterson" To: , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , References: <002001c206eb$1de7b1c0$20fea8c0@ddd> Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:00:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" ; "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 16:29:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [208.8.16.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E66737B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 69558 invoked by uid 1825); 29 May 2002 23:29:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2002 23:29:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:29:03 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 May 2002, Alain Parsons wrote: > > A guy in Quegec got 368$ per month per PRI from Videotron having close to > 50 PRIs. Quite the deal! I was getting $280 per month plus subscriber charges ($325 total) per PRI from ARBROS until they got cut off from their supplier for non-payment :-/ Just make sure your CLEC has a real business plan or incredibly deep pockets... James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 17:19:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kknd.mweb.co.za (kknd.mweb.co.za [196.2.45.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042F837B40B for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpt-dial-196-30-178-169.mweb.co.za ([196.30.178.169] helo=genocide) by kknd.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 4.01) id 17DDb9-0008Qk-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:15:29 +0200 Message-ID: <014901c2076f$7ed1d400$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> From: "Chris Knipe" To: Subject: FreeBSD / NetBSD / OpenBSD / etc Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 02:13:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Maybe a bit off topic here... But does anyone care to perhaps just in a nutshell explain the significant differences between all the *BSDs... Or maybe know where I can read up on it... I'd really be interested to know the differences, especially between FreeBSD & NetBSD..... -- me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 17:21:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from infiniteloop.ca (infiniteloop.ca [216.126.86.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE2437B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B68622D; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mia.blakecrosby.com (unknown [159.33.1.104]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C946213; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529202014.025b7ea0@mailbox.samurai.com> X-Sender: dev@mailbox.samurai.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:20:29 -0400 To: "Chris Knipe" From: Blake Crosby Subject: Re: FreeBSD / NetBSD / OpenBSD / etc Cc: In-Reply-To: <014901c2076f$7ed1d400$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: using McAfee Virus Scanner and AMaViS snapshot-20020300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You might want to try: http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/thread.php3?subject=Difference+between+BSDs&list=151 Blake At 02:13 AM 5/30/2002 +0200, Chris Knipe wrote: >Hi all, > >Maybe a bit off topic here... But does anyone care to perhaps just in a >nutshell explain the significant differences between all the *BSDs... Or >maybe know where I can read up on it... > >I'd really be interested to know the differences, especially between FreeBSD >& NetBSD..... > >-- >me > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 17:22:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.196.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B998237B403 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.inch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3B93503B for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (TC2-dial-36-195.oldslip.inch.com [216.223.195.36]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0274035028 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8CE5728B11; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:22:33 -0400 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD / NetBSD / OpenBSD / etc Message-ID: <20020530002233.GE66964@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <014901c2076f$7ed1d400$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <014901c2076f$7ed1d400$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:13:53AM +0200, Chris Knipe wrote: > Hi all, > > Maybe a bit off topic here... But does anyone care to perhaps just in a > nutshell explain the significant differences between all the *BSDs... Or > maybe know where I can read up on it... > > I'd really be interested to know the differences, especially between FreeBSD > & NetBSD..... Please visit your nearest search engine and don't post non-ISP related questions to freebsd-isp@freebsd.org. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 18:25:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3DE37B406 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:38 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A985C285@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Web hosting control panel Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:26:37 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, What web hosting control panel would you recommend for the FreeBSD platform? OLM.net is using Ensim's Webppliance -- but this only works for Linux. Do you know of any other web hosting control panels? --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 19: 9:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from altoonanet.altoonanet.com (ns1.altoonanet.com [12.151.19.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A13EF37B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 19:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25772 invoked by uid 2520); 30 May 2002 02:20:49 -0000 Received: from kevin@freedomhosting.com by altoonanet.altoonanet.com with qmail-scanner-1.01 (. Clean. Processed in 0.597064 secs); 30 May 2002 02:20:49 -0000 Received: from cpe0050046558fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (HELO CR1048452A) (24.42.198.254) by freedomhosting.com with SMTP; 30 May 2002 02:20:48 -0000 Message-ID: <054e01c2077f$651a2b10$fec62a18@CR1048452A> From: "Kevin Turner" To: Cc: References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A985C285@mailserver.dagupan.com> Subject: Re: Web hosting control panel Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:11:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Plesk Server Administrator works very well with FreeBSD. www.plesk.com Regards, Kevin Freedom Hosting, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Web hosting control panel > Hi all, > > What web hosting control panel would you recommend for the FreeBSD platform? > OLM.net is using Ensim's Webppliance -- but this only works for Linux. Do > you know of any other web hosting control panels? > > --- > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 20:16:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9391A37B40A for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user-119a7q7.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.31.71] helo=athlon.wsonline.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17DGQh-0000Hu-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:16:48 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529211510.02865ea8@mail.richardh.wsonline.net> X-Sender: richardh@mail.richardh.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:19:16 -0600 To: "Kevin Turner" , From: RichardH Subject: Re: Web hosting control panel Cc: In-Reply-To: <054e01c2077f$651a2b10$fec62a18@CR1048452A> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A985C285@mailserver.dagupan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Plesk runs behind on what version of FBSD is supported by 2-3 months, the=20 guy at www.cpanel.net may allow you a 2 month free license of that, he is=20 beta testing it with FreeBSD, looks like a great program if running RedHat= =20 so he should not have a lot of problems getting it ported over. If you go=20 to http://www.powersurge.net/cp/ there is a demo you can try then get in=20 the forums at cpanel and ask about the BSD beta program. At 08:11 PM 5/29/2002, Kevin Turner wrote: >Plesk Server Administrator works very well with FreeBSD. > >www.plesk.com > >Regards, >Kevin >Freedom Hosting, Inc. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:26 PM >Subject: Web hosting control panel > > > > Hi all, > > > > What web hosting control panel would you recommend for the FreeBSD >platform? > > OLM.net is using Ensim's Webppliance -- but this only works for Linux.= Do > > you know of any other web hosting control panels? > > > > --- > > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph > > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer, a=20 Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and=20 explode once a year killing everyone inside. =97Robert Cringely in InfoWorld=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 20:19:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4155C37B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 20:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manor.msen.com (wayne@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA81290 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 23:19:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Message-Id: <200205300319.XAA81290@manor.msen.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Jail and Amanda Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:19:52 -0400 From: "Michael R. Wayne" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org % man jail suggests killing portmapper on the host IP. But amanda wants portmapper to run. So, assuming one wants to back up using the host's IP address (thus getting all filesysems including the jails), how does one reconcile this? /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 3:20:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-66.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A360437B406 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:20:40 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252624DCE0E@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: 'Chris Knipe' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD / NetBSD / OpenBSD / etc Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:20:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Chris Knipe [mailto:savage@savage.za.org] > > I'd really be interested to know the differences, especially > between FreeBSD > & NetBSD..... Although it's really off-topic here; a short answer: All have derived from 386BSD FreeBSD aims at Intel x86 and Dec Alpha, I think this is the most widespread of the 3. NetBSD aims to port to as many platforms as possible f.e. Mac68k, MacPPC, Atari, Amiga OpenBSD has a focus on security; a good choice for setting up a firewall for example. Depending on what you want, you may choose. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 3:26:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Sixty.hatvany.com (sixty.hatvany.com [168.103.120.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D01837B404 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hatvany.com (h00aa00b76a78.ne.client2.attbi.com [66.31.107.187]) by Sixty.hatvany.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA41910 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:26:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Charles@hatvany.com) Received: from HatvanyDomain-Message_Server by hatvany.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:26:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 06:25:50 -0400 From: "Charles Hatvany" To: aparsons@abacom.com, george@durham.net, pamela.p@opendns.biz Cc: anita.archambault@bell.ca, diane.cincar@bell.ca, f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca, ispchat@bell.ca, j.steele@bell.ca, joanne.page@bell.ca, joelle.picard@bell.ca, julie.allain@bell.ca, julie.taylor@bell.ca, ken.white@bell.ca, leslie.williams@bell.ca, marc.morin@bell.ca, mike.gosselin@bell.ca, sheila.ward@bell.ca, sherwood.flemming@bell.ca, stephanie.riley@bell.ca, caip-members@caip.ca, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, list@iip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know about you guys "North of the Border", but the Telcos South of = the Border have to file their rates and be approved both at the state and = the federal level (two different deals) to get what they call tariffs. = They can sell you at these tariffs, but cannot discount their rates, = except as described in the tariffs (Usually for different length contracts.= ) All others also use the Telcos for the local loop portion of all high = speed connections. Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany Charles Hatvany and Associates, Inc. 25 Newport Street Arlington, MA 02476-6298 Voice: 781-648-4100 Fax: 781-643-1210 E-mail: charles@hatvany.com Web-site: http://hatvany.net and: http://hatvany.com >>> "Pamela Patterson" 05/29/02 06:00PM >>> This happens after a long day at two keyboards, and 4 monitors. How about this for a comment? Its not in the Telco's best interest to sell at great prices to ISP's. = They want it all! Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" ; "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; = ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 02:30 Subject: RE: Excess Capacity > I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, > these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people > at Bell. > Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in > theory there is no reason for that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM > To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos > Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; > marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; > sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; > sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; > f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; > stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca=20 > Subject: Re: Excess Capacity > > > How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing > people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy > wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales = & > Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. > > On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue > a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. > > Pamela Patterson > > * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 3:32: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bhwg-mimeswpr.bhwg.com (mailgate.bhwg.com [194.217.231.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E14037B400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 03:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bhwgexchange.bhwg.com (unverified) by bhwg-mimeswpr.bhwg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:38:12 +0100 Received: from [172.20.101.175] (172.20.101.175 [172.20.101.175]) by bhwgexchange.bhwg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id L5AFBZ67; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:33:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:31:49 +0100 (BST) From: Shashi Dookhee X-Sender: dookhee.s@emerald.traffic.co.uk To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Chat servers?? In-Reply-To: <20020529164344.GB43398@ns2.wananchi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just set up an ircd daemon (efnet, undernet, dalnet, etc)... Then use a java chat client (lots out there) to connect to it. Has the added bonus that standalone clients (like mIRC) can connect too! Thanks S. On Wed, 29 May 2002, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Hiya, > > Any recommendations as to 'free' chat servers out there? I've seen nfc > from sourceforge but not any others. I'd like to give my users a web > interface to chat out and so looking for recommendations. > NFC looks good but so far I have a problem getting it up... > > Thanks in advance. > > > -Wash > > ======================================================== Proximity London Limited 191 Old Marylebone Road London NW1 5DW United Kingdom Registered number: 2617496 Registered in England Tel: +44 (0) 20 7298 1000 Fax: +44 (0) 20 7298 1001 This email its contents and any files or images with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are confidential. If you have received this email in error you may not copy or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender on the number printed above, via the Proximity London switchboard or via email return. DISCLAIMER Material contained in this email may be copyright material of Proximity London or protected by other intellectual property rights. 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Message-ID: <20020530104052.GN43398@ns2.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , Shashi Dookhee , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20020529164344.GB43398@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Disclaimer: Any views expressed in this message,where not explicitly attributed otherwise, are mine alone!. X-Fortune: Never call a man a fool X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 X-Best-Window-Manager: Blackbox X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-Designation: Systems Administrator, Wananchi Online Ltd. X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. 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I've seen nfc > > from sourceforge but not any others. I'd like to give my users a web > > interface to chat out and so looking for recommendations. > > NFC looks good but so far I have a problem getting it up... 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--------------0AD116E438EE2EFDDFF7FFA7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:36:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tchpc01.tcd.ie (tchpc01.tcd.ie [134.226.10.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21BF37B401 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flipflop.tchpc.tcd.ie (hpc04.iss.tcd.ie [134.226.10.47]) by tchpc01.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7233E3401; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:41:35 +0100 (IST) Received: by flipflop.tchpc.tcd.ie (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 59E18178; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:36:40 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:36:40 +0100 From: Robert bobb Crosbie To: "Michael R. Wayne" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jail and Amanda Message-ID: <20020530123640.B41946@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie> References: <200205300319.XAA81290@manor.msen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200205300319.XAA81290@manor.msen.com>; from wayne@staff.msen.com on Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:19:52PM -0400 Organization: bobb Industries Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael R. Wayne hath declared on Wednesday the 29 day of May 2002 :-: > > % man jail > > suggests killing portmapper on the host IP. But amanda wants > portmapper to run. So, assuming one wants to back up using the > host's IP address (thus getting all filesysems including the > jails), how does one reconcile this? You could bind portmap to the host's IP address, portmap -h 1.2.3.4 (portmap_flags="-h 1.2.3.4" in rc.conf) I havn't used amanda in quite a while, but I never thought it needed portmap to work, as its something I would always turn off. - bobb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:41:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pizza.monkeybrains.net (pizza.monkeybrains.net [209.237.231.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E6E37B408 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkeybrains.net (po.monkeybrains.net [66.92.9.55]) by pizza.monkeybrains.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4UBfBC25167 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rudy-bulk@monkeybrains.net) Message-ID: <3CF61249.8080405@monkeybrains.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:51:37 -0700 From: Rudy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free Chat servers?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use http://www.majik3d.org/~namhas/jicra/ in the web page. And, since java can only talk back to the host which served up the applet, you need to run an irc server, or proxy to one. I proxy with 'datapipe' /usr/ports/net/datapipe. Rudy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:43:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.arc.net.my (nagano.arc.net.my [203.115.225.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D03837B412 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roppongi (roppongi.arc.net.my [203.115.225.83]) by mail.arc.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GWX004H39VKTV@mail.arc.net.my> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:42:56 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:43:31 +0800 From: Nick Kraal Subject: Traffic generator To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: Nick Kraal Message-id: <016b01c207cf$38d67a40$53e173cb@arc.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252624DCE0E@NETIVITY-FS> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What we are looking for is to configure a box which will gereate traffic accross links to test for bandwidth/capacity, stress points and others before commissioning the link. I have looked at Traffic Generator Software from http://www.postel.org/tg/. Any other hints and pointers. Thanks in advance. -nick/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:45:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pizza.monkeybrains.net (pizza.monkeybrains.net [209.237.231.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D869837B400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkeybrains.net (po.monkeybrains.net [66.92.9.55]) by pizza.monkeybrains.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4UBjTC25463 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rudy-bulk@monkeybrains.net) Message-ID: <3CF6134B.9070706@monkeybrains.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 04:55:55 -0700 From: Rudy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Competitor's PRI pricing and stuff that maybe you should all know about or already do.....? Rumors about Bell Xpress View way bills, ADSL pricing, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got quotes from 3 telcos in San Francisco for PRIs. I was ordering 2. The quotes I got where $650 for one year from telco A $425 for a one year contract from telco B $401 for a two year contract from telco B $417 for a one year contract fro telco C No install on any of these. After I took the $401/year deal, Telco C offered a free month. It pays to shop around... leave a lot of lead time so you can play offers from one telco's marketing team off the offers from another telco. Rudy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:56: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pizza.monkeybrains.net (pizza.monkeybrains.net [209.237.231.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BEF37B405 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkeybrains.net (po.monkeybrains.net [66.92.9.55]) by pizza.monkeybrains.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4UBtwC26000 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rudy-bulk@monkeybrains.net) Message-ID: <3CF615C0.6070604@monkeybrains.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:06:24 -0700 From: Rudy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Free Chat servers?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI, Here is my /usr/local/etc/rc.d/datapipe-irc.sh: #!/bin/sh su -fm nobody -c 'datapipe www.domain.com 6667 irc.daxnet.no 6667' Rudy wrote: > I proxy with 'datapipe' /usr/ports/net/datapipe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 4:59:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pizza.monkeybrains.net (pizza.monkeybrains.net [209.237.231.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CDF37B403 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkeybrains.net (po.monkeybrains.net [66.92.9.55]) by pizza.monkeybrains.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4UBxVC26172 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 04:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rudy-bulk@monkeybrains.net) Message-ID: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:09:56 -0700 From: Rudy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020510 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp Subject: Please recommend Web based email port Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-3; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients (3) speed. I know Perl better than any other language and therefore am most comfortable with a Perl backend. Rudy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 5:31:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kira.epconline.net (kira.epconline.net [207.206.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81DB37B403 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (carock@localhost) by kira.epconline.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g4UCVEv68946; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:31:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Chuck Rock X-Sender: carock@kira.epconline.net To: Rudy Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port In-Reply-To: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you need the Webmail to check mail on a server other than the web site it will run from? Neomail is very popular, but it only works for accounts on the local server it runs from. I use a free version of Emumail which has many features, but you have some minimal advertising. A banner on the pages the users use, and a 4 line tag added to each message sent using the software. It's incredibly simple to set up, and can handle hundreds of simulateous users if your mail server has a good disk i/o backend. Some of the features are much like Outlook, you have a personal address book, spell check, spam filter, folders and rules, etc. If you want a no ad version that's totally customizable, I believe it was $3500. Every time I complain ab out the price, one of the people always E-mails me back with a deal though, so it seems it's negotiable. It has worked well for us with about 200 users that I know of using it on a P-3 450 with 256 Meg and Ultra SCSI backend. Our mail server is a daul p3 450 with ultra scsi backend as well. We have a school that has 50 users on their machine all day long that's running a pentium 166 MMX with 128 MEg and ATA-66 backend too. http://www.emumail.com Chuck Rock Internet Services Manager EPC, Inc. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rudy wrote: > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > (3) speed. > > I know Perl better than any other language and therefore am most > comfortable with a Perl backend. > > Rudy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 6: 6:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snsonline.net (web.snsonline.net [203.62.158.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9064237B401 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snsonline.net (sarge@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snsonline.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4UD5oed073031; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:05:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sarge@snsonline.net) Received: from localhost (sarge@localhost) by snsonline.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g4UD5m7U073027; Thu, 30 May 2002 23:05:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:05:48 +1000 (EST) From: Mark Sergeant To: Chuck Rock Cc: Rudy , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020530230455.V73003-100000@snsonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use squirrelmail for my client base of 190+ clients and all are extremely happy with it. Contemplating even rolling it out as a replacement to Outlook Web Access. Cheers, Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 6:59:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1028237B41A for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 06:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA49926; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:58:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Hovey To: Rudy Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port In-Reply-To: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I like squirrel mail- but its an imap client - the cool thing is you can install it anyplace, and the folders/emails stay on the mail server you have pop/imap residing on. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rudy wrote: > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > (3) speed. > > I know Perl better than any other language and therefore am most > comfortable with a Perl backend. > > Rudy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 7:20:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from encontacto.net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D365037B407 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by encontacto.net with local; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:20:43 -0700 Received: from 64.173.182.155 ( [64.173.182.155]) as user eculp@encontacto.net@encontacto.net by mail.encontacto.net with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 07:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1022768443.3cf6353b337a1@mail.encontacto.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 07:20:43 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: Chuck Rock Cc: Rudy , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs X-Originating-IP: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Chuck Rock : > Some of the features are much like Outlook, you have a personal address > book, spell check, spam filter, folders and rules, etc. > > If you want a no ad version that's totally customizable, I believe it was > $3500. Every time I complain ab out the price, one of the people always > E-mails me back with a deal though, so it seems it's negotiable. /usr/ports/mail/imp http://www.horde.org for a complete explanation. Sorry no $3,500 price tag. It is php4 though. For perl you might just use the courier suite, smtp, maildir, maildrop, pop3, imap, webmail, auth with sql, ldap, passwd etc. /usr/ports/mail/courier Hope this helps, ed > > It has worked well for us with about 200 users that I know of using it on > a P-3 450 with 256 Meg and Ultra SCSI backend. Our mail server is a daul > p3 450 with ultra scsi backend as well. > > We have a school that has 50 users on their machine all day long that's > running a pentium 166 MMX with 128 MEg and ATA-66 backend too. > > http://www.emumail.com > > Chuck Rock > Internet Services Manager > EPC, Inc. > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rudy wrote: > > > > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > > (3) speed. > > > > I know Perl better than any other language and therefore am most > > comfortable with a Perl backend. > > > > Rudy ------------------------------------------------------------- http://insourcery.com - Mergence of Business and Technology a "Griffin Plaza Partners, LLC" Company To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 8:43:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91D2A37B403 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7588 invoked by uid 85); 30 May 2002 15:42:18 -0000 Received: from 216.252.230.149 ( [216.252.230.149]) as user max@ecotech.com.lr@localhost by mail.ecotech.com.lr with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:42:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1022773337.3cf648595d5ae@mail.ecotech.com.lr> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:42:17 +0000 From: max@ecotech.com.lr To: Chris Knipe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall Setup References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> <001201c2074f$c3076dd0$04ef10ac@wireless> <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> In-Reply-To: <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.252.230.149 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Chris Knipe : > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Knipe" > > To: "Max" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > > > > > > > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few > > > machines > > > > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a > > > client > > > > sets this > > > > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the > > > Internet! > > > > > > Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A > > > firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the > > > "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed > > > towards the right router. > > > > > > You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, > > but > > > that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would > > > just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" > > > router > > > > > > route add if I'm not mistaken. > > > > > > So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned > to > > > router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing > > it > > > back to router 1. > > > > > In my terms, here's what I am looking @ > > I have 172.16.239.0/24 and I would like only 172.16.239.104/29 to access > > this router > > > > In your terms, what would that look like? > > > I'm going to presume that Router 1 is on 172.16.239.1 and Router 2 on > 172.16.239.105 > The default gateway (next hop) of Router 1, is x.x.x.x and the default > gateway (next hop) of Router 2, is y.y.y.y > > > > Router 1 (Default that everyone use) - You have a normal default gateway, > just as any other router > > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > Router 2 (Only allowed by 172.16.239.104/29) - Default route routes back > into your network, the additional subnet routes to the "gateway". > > route add 172.16.239.104 255.255.255.248 y.y.y.y > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 172.16.239.1 > --OR-- > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > I have not tested this, I don't have the resources to. In theory something > like this should work however. Play around with it, read some fine manuals, > it is very possible. I've done something very similar on FreeBSD before > re-routing a network via two different Internet connections (redundancy type > of scenario).... > > Some things to keep in mind: > - Dynamic routing (such as routed, or BGP, RIP, etc) *WILL* break this, so > I'd recommend not doing this if you already use any form of dynamic routing. > - IP Forwarding and those kind of stuff is obviously required. > - On Router 2, it is also essential (under Linux it is, I don't know if > FreeBSD behaves in the same way) that the subnet's route (172.16.239.104/29) > comes BEFORE your default route. > > > -- > me > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 8:46:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4913C37B411 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7670 invoked by uid 85); 30 May 2002 15:44:15 -0000 Received: from 216.252.230.149 ( [216.252.230.149]) as user max@ecotech.com.lr@localhost by mail.ecotech.com.lr with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 15:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1022773454.3cf648ce0fa88@mail.ecotech.com.lr> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:44:14 +0000 From: max@ecotech.com.lr To: Chris Knipe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall Setup References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> <001201c2074f$c3076dd0$04ef10ac@wireless> <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> In-Reply-To: <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 216.252.230.149 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think this is what I am looking for. As soon as I get near those routers, I will be implementing those changes. Thanks Chris Max Quoting Chris Knipe : > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Knipe" > > To: "Max" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > > > > > > > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few > > > machines > > > > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a > > > client > > > > sets this > > > > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the > > > Internet! > > > > > > Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A > > > firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the > > > "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed > > > towards the right router. > > > > > > You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, > > but > > > that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would > > > just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" > > > router > > > > > > route add if I'm not mistaken. > > > > > > So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned > to > > > router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing > > it > > > back to router 1. > > > > > In my terms, here's what I am looking @ > > I have 172.16.239.0/24 and I would like only 172.16.239.104/29 to access > > this router > > > > In your terms, what would that look like? > > > I'm going to presume that Router 1 is on 172.16.239.1 and Router 2 on > 172.16.239.105 > The default gateway (next hop) of Router 1, is x.x.x.x and the default > gateway (next hop) of Router 2, is y.y.y.y > > > > Router 1 (Default that everyone use) - You have a normal default gateway, > just as any other router > > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > Router 2 (Only allowed by 172.16.239.104/29) - Default route routes back > into your network, the additional subnet routes to the "gateway". > > route add 172.16.239.104 255.255.255.248 y.y.y.y > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 172.16.239.1 > --OR-- > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > I have not tested this, I don't have the resources to. In theory something > like this should work however. Play around with it, read some fine manuals, > it is very possible. I've done something very similar on FreeBSD before > re-routing a network via two different Internet connections (redundancy type > of scenario).... > > Some things to keep in mind: > - Dynamic routing (such as routed, or BGP, RIP, etc) *WILL* break this, so > I'd recommend not doing this if you already use any form of dynamic routing. > - IP Forwarding and those kind of stuff is obviously required. > - On Router 2, it is also essential (under Linux it is, I don't know if > FreeBSD behaves in the same way) that the subnet's route (172.16.239.104/29) > comes BEFORE your default route. > > > -- > me > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 9: 2:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cutter.wantabe.com (cutter.wantabe.com [204.2.6.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002A837B405 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cutter.wantabe.com (cutter.wantabe.com [204.2.6.8]) by cutter.wantabe.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g4UG1uA55698; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:01:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:01:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey J. Libman" To: Rudy Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port In-Reply-To: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i've had great results using twig. flexible and configurable...uses imap. cheers, jeff -- | |\ +------------------------------+ Jeffrey J. Libman, ops. mgr. | \ | Wantabe Internet Services | Wantabe, Inc. |__\ +------------------------------+ jeffrl@wantabe.com <-----|------> (281) 345-0215 __,.-=\'`^`'~=-../__,.-= On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rudy wrote: > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > (3) speed. > > I know Perl better than any other language and therefore am most > comfortable with a Perl backend. > > Rudy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 9:19:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE7F37B40A for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 09:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 17DRim-0005QQ-00; Thu, 30 May 2002 08:20:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Nick Kraal Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Traffic generator In-Reply-To: <016b01c207cf$38d67a40$53e173cb@arc.net.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nttcp from ports is good and simple. Tom On Thu, 30 May 2002, Nick Kraal wrote: > What we are looking for is to configure a box which will gereate traffic > accross links to test for bandwidth/capacity, stress points and others > before commissioning the link. > > I have looked at Traffic Generator Software from http://www.postel.org/tg/. > Any other hints and pointers. > > Thanks in advance. > > -nick/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 30 10:32:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9027537B40A for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 10:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inago.swcp.com (inago.swcp.com [198.59.115.17]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4UHVta4083903 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by inago.swcp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26255 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:31:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: inago.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:31:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@inago.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Traffic generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=10.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.21 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org netperf iperf On Thu, 30 May 2002, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > nttcp from ports is good and simple. > > Tom > > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, Nick Kraal wrote: > > > What we are looking for is to configure a box which will gereate traffic > > accross links to test for bandwidth/capacity, stress points and others > > before commissioning the link. 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by unity.copyleft.no with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17DoK1-000JJZ-00; Fri, 31 May 2002 17:28:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:28:09 +0200 From: Martin Eggen To: Rudy Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port Message-ID: <20020531172808.A71981@unity.copyleft.no> References: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net>; from rudy-bulk@monkeybrains.net on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 05:09:56AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Rudy] > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > (3) speed. I'll second the SquirrelMail-recommendations. Nice and clean PHP4, fairly extendible through plugins. Personally, I'm very happy with the combination exim, courier(imap,pop3) and SquirrelMail. -- Martin Eggen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 8:48:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.britesite.net (mx1.britesite.net [63.175.65.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8C237B405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stranger (dsl-209-81-146-23.dsl.iwc.net [209.81.146.23]) by mx1.britesite.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g4VFkx946721 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:46:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Message-ID: <006a01c208ba$a31273f0$0201a8c0@stranger> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: References: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> <20020531172808.A71981@unity.copyleft.no> Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can try openwebmail http://turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw/openwebmail/ very nice and have a lots of pluggins Edward Shabotinsky System Engineer BriteSiteInet Inc. --------------------------------- lanshark@bsinet.net www.britesite.net --------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Eggen" To: "Rudy" Cc: "freebsd-isp" Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port > [Rudy] > > > > What WebMail software do ya'll use? I'd like to offer web based email > > but am wary of (1) security (2) compatablity with existing POP clients > > (3) speed. > > I'll second the SquirrelMail-recommendations. Nice and clean PHP4, fairly > extendible through plugins. > Personally, I'm very happy with the combination exim, courier(imap,pop3) and > SquirrelMail. > > -- > Martin Eggen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 10:42: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from farley.org (dsl-64-194-106-77.telocity.com [64.194.106.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479A237B403 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.farley.org (uhci84e247find5v@thor.farley.org [192.168.1.5]) by gw.farley.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4VHftvF015060; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:41:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sean-freebsd@farley.org) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:41:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Farley X-X-Sender: sean@thor.farley.org To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web site security questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020531123840.Y7412-100000@thor.farley.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 May 2002 10:46, Scott Gerhardt wrote: > Just a basic suggestion: > > If you want to store passwords you can do a few things to make it more > difficult for the evil to steal them. > > Besides encrypting the DB entries you could limit potential exposure > by doing something as simple as separating the card numbers as several > different entries in separate tables/databases. You can also store the > personal information that is require for authentication (expiry date > and name) in different locations as well. I guess this could be > called low-tech obfuscation. > > By doing this, the potential hacker will have to breach several DB's > and then have to figure out how to assemble the pieces to make a valid > credit card. You could also make it more difficult by adding bogus > entries in the DB to confuse the hacker even further ;-) Since I am not a masochist, I will refrain from these methods. :) Sean ----------------------- sean-freebsd@farley.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 12:42:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from lily.ezo.net (lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F58C37B403 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 12:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peony.ezo.net (peony.ezo.net [206.102.130.11]) by lily.ezo.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4VJgBZ52608; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:42:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) From: "Jim Flowers" To: "Edward Shabotinsky" , Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:42:50 -0400 Message-Id: <20020531154250.M57856@ezo.net> In-Reply-To: <006a01c208ba$a31273f0$0201a8c0@stranger> References: <3CF61694.901@monkeybrains.net> <20020531172808.A71981@unity.copyleft.no> <006a01c208ba$a31273f0$0201a8c0@stranger> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.60 20020130 X-OriginatingIP: 24.93.230.119 (jflowers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah - what plug-ins? -- Jim Flowers ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: Sent: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:48:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Please recommend Web based email port > You can try openwebmail > http://turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw/openwebmail/ > very nice and have a lots of pluggins > > Edward Shabotinsky > System Engineer > BriteSiteInet Inc. ... ------- End of Original Message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 14: 5: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com (mailout07.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F8137B406 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17DtZy-0007Hf-0C; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:04:58 +0200 Received: from Magelan.Leidinger.net (520065502893-0001@[217.83.16.248]) by fmrl08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17DtZv-1dOvAWC; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:04:55 +0200 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4VL6GkO002607; Fri, 31 May 2002 23:06:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200205312106.g4VL6GkO002607@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:06:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Restoring Directories To: eddie@eaznet.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020529114250.031d3d78@mail.eaznet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Sender: 520065502893-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29 Mai, EAZNet - Eddie Fry wrote: > I am setting up a new 4.5 Server and accidently deleted most of the > directories in /usr/local. What's the easiest way to restore the > directories/files I've removed? That's easy: use your backup. /usr/local is empty by default. Missing directories normaly get created on demand. To get the removed files in case you didn't have abackup you have to reinstall every third party software you had installed into /usr/local. Bye, Alexander. -- The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 14:33: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [209.53.238.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1E337B401 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.53.238.2] (helo=auth.qcislands.net) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 17Du1A-000AUn-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:33:04 -0700 Received: from ccstore by auth.qcislands.net with local-rmail (Exim 4.04) id 17Du1B-0003cq-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:33:05 -0700 Received: from fisp by dick.ccstores.com with local (Exim 4.04) id 17Du0K-0002Wu-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 31 May 2002 14:32:12 -0700 From: fisp@ccstores.com (FreeBSD isp) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: used equipment X-Mailer: SCO Shell Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a website devoted to buying/selling used ISP equipment? I am looking for a PM3. I signed up to isp-equipment.com, but they don't seem to have livingston/lucent stuff. -- FreeBSD isp directly mailto:paz@qcislands.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 31 15:33:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6173F37B400 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inago.swcp.com (inago.swcp.com [198.59.115.17]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4VMXja4031691 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by inago.swcp.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA13040 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 16:33:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: inago.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:33:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@inago.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: used equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=10.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.21 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 May 2002, FreeBSD isp wrote: > Is there a website devoted to buying/selling used ISP equipment? > > I am looking for a PM3. > > I signed up to isp-equipment.com, but they don't seem to have > livingston/lucent stuff. http://www.portmasters.com/ jake's been selling refurb'd portmasters for a long time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 1 2: 7:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecotech.com.lr (mail.liberiaonline.com.lr [64.110.100.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74FCD37B409 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1081 invoked by uid 85); 1 Jun 2002 08:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wireless) (216.252.230.146) by 64.110.100.164 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2002 08:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c20947$ed75e610$04ef10ac@wireless> From: "Max" To: "Chris Knipe" , References: <005201c20714$220071b0$04ef10ac@wireless> <009201c20736$1b604e80$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> <001201c2074f$c3076dd0$04ef10ac@wireless> <008401c20762$e40ad5e0$0101a8c0@megalan.co.za> Subject: Re: Firewall Setup Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:38:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried using your suggestion but later remembered that I was using routed. I however used the firewalling option and it worked: # Special Birdie Here ${fwcmd} add deny all from not 172.16.239.104/29 to any via dc0 Thanks a mill for all the time and effort especially you Chris and Joe & Fhe Barbish I got the desire results. Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Knipe" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Knipe" > > To: "Max" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: Firewall Setup > > > > > > > > My network has other routers hardware and software. I want just few > > > machines > > > > to use this new router instead of the whole network so that even if a > > > client > > > > sets this > > > > router has his default gateway, he will not be able to access the > > > Internet! > > > > > > Isn't this more of a static-routing option rather than a firewall? A > > > firewall will block the packets, meaning that the clients which use the > > > "wrong" router, will have *no* internet access, rather than be directed > > > towards the right router. > > > > > > You can most probably redirect the packets from one firewall to another, > > but > > > that's limited to a per port basis. I think the simplest solution would > > > just be to re-route certain data from the "wrong" router, to the "right" > > > router > > > > > > route add if I'm not mistaken. > > > > > > So, if you have 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 and want 10.0.1.0/24 to be assigned > to > > > router 1, on your 2, you'll add a static route for that network, routing > > it > > > back to router 1. > > > > > In my terms, here's what I am looking @ > > I have 172.16.239.0/24 and I would like only 172.16.239.104/29 to access > > this router > > > > In your terms, what would that look like? > > > I'm going to presume that Router 1 is on 172.16.239.1 and Router 2 on > 172.16.239.105 > The default gateway (next hop) of Router 1, is x.x.x.x and the default > gateway (next hop) of Router 2, is y.y.y.y > > > > Router 1 (Default that everyone use) - You have a normal default gateway, > just as any other router > > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > Router 2 (Only allowed by 172.16.239.104/29) - Default route routes back > into your network, the additional subnet routes to the "gateway". > > route add 172.16.239.104 255.255.255.248 y.y.y.y > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 172.16.239.1 > --OR-- > route add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x > > > I have not tested this, I don't have the resources to. In theory something > like this should work however. Play around with it, read some fine manuals, > it is very possible. I've done something very similar on FreeBSD before > re-routing a network via two different Internet connections (redundancy type > of scenario).... > > Some things to keep in mind: > - Dynamic routing (such as routed, or BGP, RIP, etc) *WILL* break this, so > I'd recommend not doing this if you already use any form of dynamic routing. > - IP Forwarding and those kind of stuff is obviously required. > - On Router 2, it is also essential (under Linux it is, I don't know if > FreeBSD behaves in the same way) that the subnet's route (172.16.239.104/29) > comes BEFORE your default route. > > > -- > me > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 1 3: 3:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from webmail.emre.de (webmail.emre.de [194.8.203.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F17337B407 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.emre.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g51A3Fd07027 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:03:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from info@emre.de) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.emre.de: www set sender to info@emre.de using -f Received: from 192.168.2.2 ( [192.168.2.2]) as user emre@webmail.emre.de by webmail.emre.de with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:03:14 +0200 Message-ID: <1022925794.3cf89be23a950@webmail.emre.de> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:03:14 +0200 From: Emre Bastuz To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: used equipment References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 192.168.2.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Zitat von FreeBSD isp : > Is there a website devoted to buying/selling used ISP equipment? you might want to check http://www.digitalwarehouse.com/ a.k.a. http://www.usedcisco.com/. Regards, Emre -- Emre Bastuz info@emre.de http://www.emre.de UIN: 561260 PGP Key ID: 0xAFAC77FD ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message