From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 0: 6: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCD637B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.internet.dk (smtp.internet.dk [194.19.140.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7943E4A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from notino (0x50c48aec.adsl-fixed.tele.dk [80.196.138.236]) (authenticated) by smtp.internet.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id g966pqH04638; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 08:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <086801c26d04$5fbf3b20$6d05a8c0@notino> From: "Leif Neland" To: "Alexandr" , References: Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 08:48:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandr" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > Hi, my question is: > What is the minimum soft to > run a small ISP? > Alexandr. > Depends. Webserver Mailserver Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem pool) You can run all the above on one server. Modem pool Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports for modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS hardware like Lucent is preferrable. Leif What do you want To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 0:20:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C9937B404 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from airnet.com.ua (air.net.ua [193.110.106.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571C43E4A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) Received: from none1 ([10.254.3.4]) by airnet.com.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g967KVKd025916 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:20:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) From: Alexandr To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:15:35 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <086801c26d04$5fbf3b20$6d05a8c0@notino> Message-Id: <54EBB6KJRPKFZVID61YTMG84PSRUQJD.45ad5c97@none1> Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041a Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alexandr" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > > >> Hi, my question is: >> What is the minimum soft to >> run a small ISP? >> Alexandr. >> >Depends. > >Webserver >Mailserver >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem pool) >You can run all the above on one server. > >Modem pool >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports for >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS hardware >like Lucent is preferrable. > >Leif >What do you want > > > I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 9:11:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0510637B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.britesite.net (mx1.britesite.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5576243E42 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Received: from stranger (node-423a192a-mdw-onnet.worldcom.com [66.58.25.42]) by mx1.britesite.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g96G5OT23141; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:05:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Message-ID: <009f01c26d53$0bca36b0$0201a8c0@stranger> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: "Alexandr" , References: <54EBB6KJRPKFZVID61YTMG84PSRUQJD.45ad5c97@none1> Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable?" --- For what exactly ? mail ? = www? or Radius? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net Systems Engineer BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Alexandr" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 18:15 Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: >=20 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alexandr" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM > >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > > >> Hi, my question is: > >> What is the minimum soft to > >> run a small ISP? > >> Alexandr. > >> > >Depends. > > > >Webserver > >Mailserver > >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem = pool) > >You can run all the above on one server. > > > >Modem pool > >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports = for > >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS = hardware > >like Lucent is preferrable. > > > >Leif > >What do you want > > > > > > > I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. > >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. > What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 10:20:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498C537B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577A543E4A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17956; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:33:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:33:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: Alexandr Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. In-Reply-To: <54EBB6KJRPKFZVID61YTMG84PSRUQJD.45ad5c97@none1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Alexandr wrote: > I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. > >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. > What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? Ok, I assume you want this all on one box. I'm also assuming you're attaching the modems to the same server, if not just subtract the serial cards and modems... I recommend you look at a decent PIII, or even a P4 these days. What you get depends on what you can afford, but I'd stick a half gig of ram in there (at minimum, 256m), 80g HD. MB depends on the CPU you get. In any event get the best you can and it will last a while. (FWIW you can run FBSD with a stack of modems on a lot less, I just pulled a terminal server out of service I installed years ago - running FBSD on a 386/40!). To hang the modems off the server, check out Digiboards, or even cyclades. I have used both with a lot of success. USR modems work well. -rf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 11:22:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2348737B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from airnet.com.ua (air.net.ua [193.110.106.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9D743E6A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) Received: from none1 ([10.254.3.8]) by airnet.com.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g96IM8Kd033049; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:22:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) From: Alexandr To: "Edward Shabotinsky" Cc: ISP FreeBSD Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:15:03 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <009f01c26d53$0bca36b0$0201a8c0@stranger> Message-Id: Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041a Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 06.10.02 20:11:33, "Edward Shabotinsky" wrote: > >=============================== >Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net >Systems Engineer >BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net >=============================== > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alexandr" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 18:15 >Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > >> 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: >> >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Alexandr" >> >To: >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM >> >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. >> > >> > >> >> Hi, my question is: >> >> What is the minimum soft to >> >> run a small ISP? >> >> Alexandr. >> >> >> >Depends. >> > >> >Webserver >> >Mailserver >> >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem pool) >> >You can run all the above on one server. >> > >> >Modem pool >> >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports for >> >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS hardware >> >like Lucent is preferrable. >> > >> >Leif >> >What do you want >> > >> > >> > >> I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. >> >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. >> What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > > > >"What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable?" --- For what exactly ? mail ? www? or Radius? For all! And what is RADIUS? - Alexandr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 11:22:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3053737B404 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from airnet.com.ua (air.net.ua [193.110.106.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE40643E75 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) Received: from none1 ([10.254.3.8]) by airnet.com.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g96IMDKd033055; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:22:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) From: Alexandr To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: ISP FreeBSD Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:11:46 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041a Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 06.10.02 21:33:28, Ralph Forsythe wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Alexandr wrote: > >> I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. >> >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. >> What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? > >Ok, I assume you want this all on one box. I'm also assuming you're >attaching the modems to the same server, if not just subtract the serial >cards and modems... I recommend you look at a decent PIII, or even a P4 >these days. What you get depends on what you can afford, but I'd stick a >half gig of ram in there (at minimum, 256m), 80g HD. MB depends on the >CPU you get. In any event get the best you can and it will last a while. >(FWIW you can run FBSD with a stack of modems on a lot less, I just pulled >a terminal server out of service I installed years ago - running FBSD on a >386/40!). > >To hang the modems off the server, check out Digiboards, or even cyclades. >I have used both with a lot of success. USR modems work well. > >-rf > > > Thanks! But, what is RADIUS? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 12:49:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7CD37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E251443E42 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlha@post4.tele.dk) Received: from lethome (0x503e05af.arcnxx9.adsl.tele.dk [80.62.5.175]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5433A484CBB; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> From: "Jorgen Letager Hansen" To: "Alexandr" Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" References: Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:45:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandr" To: "Edward Shabotinsky" Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > 06.10.02 20:11:33, "Edward Shabotinsky" wrote: > > > > > >=============================== > >Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net > >Systems Engineer > >BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net > >=============================== > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alexandr" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 18:15 > >Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > > >> 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Alexandr" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM > >> >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi, my question is: > >> >> What is the minimum soft to > >> >> run a small ISP? > >> >> Alexandr. > >> >> > >> >Depends. > >> > > >> >Webserver > >> >Mailserver > >> >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem pool) > >> >You can run all the above on one server. > >> > > >> >Modem pool > >> >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports for > >> >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS hardware > >> >like Lucent is preferrable. > >> > > >> >Leif > >> >What do you want > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. > >> >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. > >> What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > >"What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable?" --- For what exactly ? mail ? www? or > Radius? > > For all! > And what is RADIUS? > - Alexandr. > Radius is authorisation/accounting regards, Jorgen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 14:37:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8F437B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from I-Sphere.COM (shell.i-sphere.com [209.249.146.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6353943E6A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fasty@shell.i-sphere.com) Received: from shell.i-sphere.com (fasty@shell [209.249.146.70]) by I-Sphere.COM (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g96LbU0b058472; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fasty@shell.i-sphere.com) Received: (from fasty@localhost) by shell.i-sphere.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g96LbUB5058471; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:37:30 -0700 From: faSty To: Jorgen Letager Hansen Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Message-ID: <20021006213730.GA58397@i-sphere.com> Mail-Followup-To: faSty , Jorgen Letager Hansen , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there HOWTO setup the radius for freebsd? I've tried look around seem nothing in handbook on www.freebsd.org. -trev On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 09:45:24PM +0200, Jorgen Letager Hansen wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexandr" > To: "Edward Shabotinsky" > Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:15 AM > Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > 06.10.02 20:11:33, "Edward Shabotinsky" wrote: > > > > > > > > > >=============================== > > >Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net > > >Systems Engineer > > >BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net > > >=============================== > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Alexandr" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 18:15 > > >Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > > > > > >> 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > >> >From: "Alexandr" > > >> >To: > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM > > >> >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> Hi, my question is: > > >> >> What is the minimum soft to > > >> >> run a small ISP? > > >> >> Alexandr. > > >> >> > > >> >Depends. > > >> > > > >> >Webserver > > >> >Mailserver > > >> >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem > pool) > > >> >You can run all the above on one server. > > >> > > > >> >Modem pool > > >> >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports > for > > >> >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS > hardware > > >> >like Lucent is preferrable. > > >> > > > >> >Leif > > >> >What do you want > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. > > >> >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. > > >> What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable?" --- For what exactly ? mail ? > www? or > > Radius? > > > > For all! > > And what is RADIUS? > > - Alexandr. > > > > Radius is authorisation/accounting > > regards, > > Jorgen > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 14:47:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589D037B404 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260AE43E42 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29755 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:59:53 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021006154501.00bcf0b0@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:45:51 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. In-Reply-To: <20021006213730.GA58397@i-sphere.com> References: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doubt it, but I'm using gnu-radius right now with no problems on a 4.6 box. Pretty painless install actually! At 02:37 PM 10/6/2002 -0700, faSty wrote: >Is there HOWTO setup the radius for freebsd? I've tried look around >seem nothing in handbook on www.freebsd.org. > >-trev > >On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 09:45:24PM +0200, Jorgen Letager Hansen wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alexandr" > > To: "Edward Shabotinsky" > > Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > > > > 06.10.02 20:11:33, "Edward Shabotinsky" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=============================== > > > >Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net > > > >Systems Engineer > > > >BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net > > > >=============================== > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Alexandr" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 18:15 > > > >Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > > > > > > > > > >> 06.10.02 10:48:21, "Leif Neland" wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> >From: "Alexandr" > > > >> >To: > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM > > > >> >Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> Hi, my question is: > > > >> >> What is the minimum soft to > > > >> >> run a small ISP? > > > >> >> Alexandr. > > > >> >> > > > >> >Depends. > > > >> > > > > >> >Webserver > > > >> >Mailserver > > > >> >Radius (takes care of user authorisation/accounting for your modem > > pool) > > > >> >You can run all the above on one server. > > > >> > > > > >> >Modem pool > > > >> >Access server. You can get boards which can handle 16/32 serial ports > > for > > > >> >modems, which you can plug into the above server, but dedicated RAS > > hardware > > > >> >like Lucent is preferrable. > > > >> > > > > >> >Leif > > > >> >What do you want > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> I need only webserver, mailserver and user authorisation/accounting. > > > >> >From 10 to 20 modems. 50-100 users. > > > >> What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"What server(CPU,MB,mem,HD) preferrable?" --- For what exactly ? mail ? > > www? or > > > Radius? > > > > > > For all! > > > And what is RADIUS? > > > - Alexandr. > > > > > > > Radius is authorisation/accounting > > > > regards, > > > > Jorgen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 14:47:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8158A37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EE043E7B for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29758; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:59:54 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021006154622.02007c08@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:49:07 -0600 To: "Jorgen Letager Hansen" , "Alexandr" From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" In-Reply-To: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:45 PM 10/6/2002 +0200, Jorgen Letager Hansen wrote: > > For all! > > And what is RADIUS? > > - Alexandr. > > > >Radius is authorisation/accounting Yes, or put differently: RADIUS is a protocol which allows for central authentication on a network. If everything is running from one box and it will always be that way, RADIUS is probably overkill. However if you are using a TC or Livingston box to handle modem communications, you will need RADIUS running on your server so the modems know how to authenticate and account for modem users, assign IP's, etc. Like I mentioned in another email, I use gnu-radius server on my network for modems to authenticate against and it works quite well. There are a few different ones you can run however, depending on your tastes. -rf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 16:55:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3CF37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FED443E6A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g970u2vD072694 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:56:02 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g970u19d072693 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:56:01 GMT Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:56:01 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021007005601.GB72630@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List References: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> <20021003093609.I96307-100000@cox.rosnet.ru> <20021003075602.GA57985@users.munk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021003075602.GA57985@users.munk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:38:13AM +0400, Konstantin M Volevatch wrote: > > Also, you may set 'sunlnk' flag on 'web' subdir I did play around with the 'chflags' command on a dummy user's .history file to see if I could stop the user from deleting the file. Whilst it worked perfectly well in that the user couldn't rm the file, when I later went to unset the 'sunlnk' flag I was unable to (as root of course). I then went on to test the problem / try to recreate it in another directory. The output is as follows: [0:44:16] munk@users /home# cd /home/munk [0:44:19] munk@users /home/munk# mkdir test [0:44:22] munk@users /home/munk# cd test [0:44:24] munk@users /home/munk/test# touch test [0:44:27] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags sunlnk test [0:44:34] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test chflags: test: Operation not permitted [0:44:42] munk@users /home/munk/test# ls -alo total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root munk - 512 Oct 7 00:44 ./ drwx-----x 14 munk munk - 1536 Oct 7 00:44 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 root munk sunlnk 0 Oct 7 00:44 test [0:45:05] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test chflags: test: Operation not permitted [0:45:13] munk@users /home/munk/test# id uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 2(kmem), 3(sys), 4(tty), 5(operator), 20(staff), 31(guest), 1010(epl) What am I missing here? I'm unable to unset the 'sunlnk' flag on the file 'test' at all for some reason. Thanks in advance, Jez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 22:26:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20BA37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D4B43E91 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4FNKL30A>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:30:49 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908457B@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Transferring vnode disks Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:30:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Can you give me hints on how to go about transferring vnode file-backed disks from one computer to another? --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 6 23:22:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7FD37B401 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 23:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E25343E8A for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 23:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dimitry@al.org.ua) Received: from [212.109.32.116] (helo=dimitry.kiev.sovam.com) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17yRHv-0000h5-00 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:22:43 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Dmitry Alyabyev Reply-To: dimitry@al.org.ua To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User limiting Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:22:43 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <871633VRP84WMHRPQOIVTIHGEXULG.45ad4d6c@none1> In-Reply-To: <871633VRP84WMHRPQOIVTIHGEXULG.45ad4d6c@none1> X-NCC-RegID: ua.svitonline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200210070922.43310.dimitry@al.org.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 17 January 2007 00:10, Alexandr wrote: > How to limit users in time > (time per day, month or other)? > Can I do it with only > FreeBSD, or I need some > additional soft? look at login.conf -- Dimitry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 1:55:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AE537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB5D43E3B for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:55:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlha@post4.tele.dk) Received: from fepJ.im.tele.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20021007085516.SZAK23784.fepC.post.tele.dk@fepJ.im.tele.dk>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:55:16 +0200 From: "Jorgen Letager Hansen" To: "faSty" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:55:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> <20021006213730.GA58397@i-sphere.com> X-Mailer: Opasia webmail (version opasia/3.2.4) X-Originating-IP: 193.163.158.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20021007085516.SZAK23784.fepC.post.tele.dk@fepJ.im.tele.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org faSty wrote: >=20 > Is there HOWTO setup the radius for freebsd? I've tried look > around > seem nothing in handbook on www.freebsd.org. >=20 > -trev >=20 At first you have to chose which radius server you would like to use. This = would depend on how you keep track of your users - if these are placed in d= atabase then you should use a radius server that support databases. Most of the radius servers are i the port collection, so they are quite eas= y to install. Personaly I have used xtradius together with a MySQL database for a univers= ity project.=20 Using a database makes it easy to administrate the users with a php based w= ebinterface. (I could send you the description but it is in danish ....) regards, Jorgen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 1:55:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E7B37B404 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0428E43E6A for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlha@post4.tele.dk) Received: from fepJ.im.tele.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20021007085527.SZCK23784.fepC.post.tele.dk@fepJ.im.tele.dk>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:55:27 +0200 From: "Jorgen Letager Hansen" To: "faSty" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 10:55:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003b01c26d70$eb7e6890$0b01a8c0@lethome> <20021006213730.GA58397@i-sphere.com> X-Mailer: Opasia webmail (version opasia/3.2.4) X-Originating-IP: 193.163.158.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20021007085527.SZCK23784.fepC.post.tele.dk@fepJ.im.tele.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org faSty wrote: >=20 > Is there HOWTO setup the radius for freebsd? I've tried look > around > seem nothing in handbook on www.freebsd.org. >=20 > -trev >=20 At first you have to choose which radius server you would like to use. This= would depend on how you keep track of your users - if these are placed in = database then you should use a radius server that support databases. Most of the radius servers are i the port collection, so they are quite eas= y to install. Personaly I have used xtradius together with a MySQL database for a univers= ity project.=20 Using a database makes it easy to administrate the users with a php based w= ebinterface. (I could send you the description but it is in danish ....) regards, Jorgen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 6:24:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC23137B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net (web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net [206.47.131.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4049C43E88 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hawk-systems.com) Received: (qmail 66577 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2002 13:24:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1) (24.157.103.51) by web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net with SMTP; 7 Oct 2002 13:24:27 -0000 From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: "Alexandr" Cc: "ISP FreeBSD" Subject: RE: Minimum soft for ISP. Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Thanks! >But, what is RADIUS? You realy need to pick up the book "ISP Survival Guide" if you are asking these basic questions and hope to have any chance of success. here is an amazon.com link for you. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471314994/002-3996988-2148054 Some of the information is a little dated (with this industry what information isn't) but perfectly relevent and recommended reading for people looking into starting and running an ISP. If you are asking simple question like what is RADIUS (not flaming you here) you are going to go through lost of lost time and wasted resources. Pick up the book(or similar resources) and educate yourself... the industry is far too cuthroat to enter as a total novice, and you may decide that going that route isn't what you wanted to do afterall. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 10:32:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301FD37B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.amigo.net (smtp1.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D84643E77 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from stalker.amigo.net (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by smtp1.amigo.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g97HWfgx020328; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:31:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Randy Smith X-X-Sender: randy@stalker.amigo.net To: Jez Hancock Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem In-Reply-To: <20021007005601.GB72630@users.munk.nu> Message-ID: <20021007112908.M51200-100000@stalker.amigo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jez Hancock wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:56:01 +0000 > From: Jez Hancock > To: FreeBSD ISP List > Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem > > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:38:13AM +0400, Konstantin M Volevatch wrote: > > > Also, you may set 'sunlnk' flag on 'web' subdir > I did play around with the 'chflags' command on a dummy user's .history > file to see if I could stop the user from deleting the file. Whilst it > worked perfectly well in that the user couldn't rm the file, when I > later went to unset the 'sunlnk' flag I was unable to (as root of > course). > > I then went on to test the problem / try to recreate it in another > directory. The output is as follows: > > [0:44:16] munk@users /home# cd /home/munk > [0:44:19] munk@users /home/munk# mkdir test > [0:44:22] munk@users /home/munk# cd test > [0:44:24] munk@users /home/munk/test# touch test > [0:44:27] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags sunlnk test > [0:44:34] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test > chflags: test: Operation not permitted > [0:44:42] munk@users /home/munk/test# ls -alo > total 4 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root munk - 512 Oct 7 00:44 ./ > drwx-----x 14 munk munk - 1536 Oct 7 00:44 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root munk sunlnk 0 Oct 7 00:44 test > [0:45:05] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test > chflags: test: Operation not permitted > [0:45:13] munk@users /home/munk/test# id > uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 2(kmem), 3(sys), 4(tty), > 5(operator), 20(staff), 31(guest), 1010(epl) > > What am I missing here? I'm unable to unset the 'sunlnk' flag on the > file 'test' at all for some reason. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jez > If kern.securelevel is > 1 then no one (even root) can unset an sunlnk, schg, etc. flag. You need to reduce your securelevel to remove the files. -- Randy Smith Amigo.Net Systems Administrator 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 http://www.amigo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 10:56:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEBD37B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485FA43E97 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Received: from M2W085.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.85]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220021017175627681@M2W085.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: jeremy@cableaz.com X-Originating-IP: 66.218.238.31 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "jeremy@cableaz.com" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:56:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 17:56:28.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC372B00:01C26E2A] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quick question for anyone out there=2E I have a mail server that is runnin= g out of space=2E That being said, I have two choices=85 Should I backup all= the necessary info, and add a bigger drive and then reload and restore, or should I add a second drive and move all the excess data to that? Any suggestions would be helpful=2E=20 Thanks, JB -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 11: 6:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F24937B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A121343E88 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97I64XC011068; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97I5vWK003518; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97I5uS03826; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHR3ZP>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'jeremy@cableaz.com'" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:05:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A practice ive usually taken is to keep the dirs where a lot of space is used on different physical devices and keep them redundant (raided /var/spool). -Running a real mail server off of a 1 hard disk install isn't wise. (What happens when your 1 disk mail server loses its disk?) -keeping system bins and config on the same physical device with data that is constatly causing reading and writing to disk (new mail coming in, old mail deleting) isnt a good idea either. As the disks for this take more abuse than the disk that just has the system installed I think you need to architect a real mail server instead of trying to rescue what you currently have. -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: jeremy@cableaz.com [mailto:jeremy@cableaz.com] ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:56 PM ->To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Server out of space -- Need suggestions -> -> ->Quick question for anyone out there. I have a mail server ->that is running ->out of space. That being said, I have two choices... Should I ->backup all the ->necessary info, and add a bigger drive and then reload and restore, or ->should I add a second drive and move all the excess data to that? Any ->suggestions would be helpful. -> ->Thanks, ->JB -> -> ->-------------------------------------------------------------------- ->mail2web - Check your email from the web at ->http://mail2web.com/ . -> -> -> ->To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ->with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12: 6:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D666E37B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.gnulife.org (floyd.gnulife.org [199.86.41.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1327443E81 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@gnulife.org) Received: by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E6ABA432C9; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C3C432C6; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:12:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamie To: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" Cc: "'jeremy@cableaz.com'" , Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007141027.H6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What other suggestions do you have for building a reliable mailserver? And is there a way to set up a couple of servers so that if one goes down, the other automatically takes over with the same mail spool if possible? We also need to re-engineer here, and I would like to take that into consideration. Thanks! - Jamie On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > > A practice ive usually taken is to keep the dirs > where a lot of space is used on different physical > devices and keep them redundant (raided /var/spool). > > -Running a real mail server off of a 1 hard disk > install isn't wise. (What happens when your 1 disk > mail server loses its disk?) > > -keeping system bins and config on the same physical > device with data that is constatly causing reading > and writing to disk (new mail coming in, old mail deleting) > isnt a good idea either. As the disks for this take > more abuse than the disk that just has the system installed > > I think you need to architect a real mail server instead of > trying to rescue what you currently have. > > -mtl > > -------------------------------------------------- > Michael Lapinski > Computer Scientist > GE Research > > > "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 > > > ->-----Original Message----- > ->From: jeremy@cableaz.com [mailto:jeremy@cableaz.com] > ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:56 PM > ->To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ->Subject: Server out of space -- Need suggestions > -> > -> > ->Quick question for anyone out there. I have a mail server > ->that is running > ->out of space. That being said, I have two choices... Should I > ->backup all the > ->necessary info, and add a bigger drive and then reload and restore, or > ->should I add a second drive and move all the excess data to that? Any > ->suggestions would be helpful. > -> > ->Thanks, > ->JB > -> > -> > ->-------------------------------------------------------------------- > ->mail2web - Check your email from the web at > ->http://mail2web.com/ . > -> > -> > -> > ->To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ->with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:10:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795E637B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yama.geminisolutions.com (yama.geminisolutions.com [216.57.214.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1470243E77 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from [192.168.4.254] (internal.openaccess.org [216.57.214.120]) by yama.geminisolutions.com (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97J7TPV042591; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:10:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions From: Michael DeMan To: Jamie , "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" Cc: "'jeremy@cableaz.com'" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021007141027.H6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One way, is to setup a very reliable disk server system and export the mail spool as NFS. This box will do nothing but dish up files. Then, plug in a couple of mail servers with dedicated 100Mbit or 1Gbit ports to that NFS box. The mail servers then mount /var/mail from the NFS server. If the NFS server goes down, you're hosed, but because its behind another layer and not directly on the internet, its not as susceptible to attack. There is some kind of BSD fail-over tool too, that brings up a second box on the IP if the first box fails. On 10/7/02 12:12 PM, "Jamie" wrote: > > > What other suggestions do you have for building a reliable mailserver? > And is there a way to set up a couple of servers so that if one goes down, > the other automatically takes over with the same mail spool if possible? > We also need to re-engineer here, and I would like to take that into > consideration. Thanks! > > > - Jamie > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > >> >> A practice ive usually taken is to keep the dirs >> where a lot of space is used on different physical >> devices and keep them redundant (raided /var/spool). >> >> -Running a real mail server off of a 1 hard disk >> install isn't wise. (What happens when your 1 disk >> mail server loses its disk?) >> >> -keeping system bins and config on the same physical >> device with data that is constatly causing reading >> and writing to disk (new mail coming in, old mail deleting) >> isnt a good idea either. As the disks for this take >> more abuse than the disk that just has the system installed >> >> I think you need to architect a real mail server instead of >> trying to rescue what you currently have. >> >> -mtl >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Michael Lapinski >> Computer Scientist >> GE Research >> >> >> "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." >> - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 >> >> >> ->-----Original Message----- >> ->From: jeremy@cableaz.com [mailto:jeremy@cableaz.com] >> ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:56 PM >> ->To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> ->Subject: Server out of space -- Need suggestions >> -> >> -> >> ->Quick question for anyone out there. I have a mail server >> ->that is running >> ->out of space. That being said, I have two choices... Should I >> ->backup all the >> ->necessary info, and add a bigger drive and then reload and restore, or >> ->should I add a second drive and move all the excess data to that? Any >> ->suggestions would be helpful. >> -> >> ->Thanks, >> ->JB >> -> >> -> >> ->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ->mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> ->http://mail2web.com/ . >> -> >> -> >> -> >> ->To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> ->with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> -> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." > > - Walt Disney > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Michael F. DeMan Director of Technology OpenAccess Internet Services 1305 11th St., 3rd Floor Bellingham, WA 98225 Tel 360-647-0785 x204 Fax 360-738-9785 michael@staff.openaccess.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:42:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC3037B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1C143E88 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23517 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:55:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:55:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org freevrrpd - in /usr/ports/net set up is stupid simple for it, and it allows a server to share an IP address with one or more others, for a failover scenario. Then your only problem becomes keeping the files sync'd on both servers at once, though if they both bang against an NFS share that might work ok actually. Just make that file server box as reliable as you can possible handle (high quality components, lots of drives, etc). On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Michael DeMan wrote: > One way, is to setup a very reliable disk server system and export the mail > spool as NFS. This box will do nothing but dish up files. > > Then, plug in a couple of mail servers with dedicated 100Mbit or 1Gbit ports > to that NFS box. > > The mail servers then mount /var/mail from the NFS server. > > If the NFS server goes down, you're hosed, but because its behind another > layer and not directly on the internet, its not as susceptible to attack. > > There is some kind of BSD fail-over tool too, that brings up a second box on > the IP if the first box fails. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 12:45: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90837B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alistair.scapegoats.org (alistair.scapegoats.org [64.40.92.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F3C43E88 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denny@alistair.scapegoats.org) Received: by alistair.scapegoats.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56BD7246; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:45:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:45:02 -0500 From: Denny Reiter To: Jamie Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Message-ID: <20021007194502.GK30821@reiters.org> References: <20021007141027.H6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021007141027.H6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> X-Uptime: 2:40PM up 41 days, 11:33, 8 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Pooftas: No X-Message-Flag: This message flagged by The Department of Homeland Security X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x997F9D70 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Jamie wrote: > > > What other suggestions do you have for building a reliable mailserver? > And is there a way to set up a couple of servers so that if one goes down, > the other automatically takes over with the same mail spool if possible? > We also need to re-engineer here, and I would like to take that into > consideration. Thanks! If you have the money, put the mail spool on a NetApp filer and export it to several identical FreeBSD systems. Then put those FreeBSD systems behind something like a Foundry ServerIron L4 switch and have it take care of the load balancing and redundancy. You'd definitely want to use Maildir for the storage of mail. Denny -- Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org www.scapegoats.org I know where I'd like _you_ to go today... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 13:14:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55FF37B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net [216.35.73.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F8D43E75 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97KE9ls013314; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97KE2Ng018707; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97KE1S13919; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHRR2G>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:13:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Denny Reiter'" , Jamie Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:12:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No need to try to have a mail server that will automatically failover to get the old boxes ip and what not. That is what MX records and priorities are for (and they work quite well). You may also want to have your secondary mx be at a different physical location than your primary mail server. (usually the network fails before the hardware, if built right) -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: Denny Reiter [mailto:denny@reiters.org] ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:45 PM ->To: Jamie ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions -> -> ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Jamie wrote: ->> ->> ->> What other suggestions do you have for building a ->reliable mailserver? ->> And is there a way to set up a couple of servers so that if ->one goes down, ->> the other automatically takes over with the same mail spool ->if possible? ->> We also need to re-engineer here, and I would like to take that into ->> consideration. Thanks! -> ->If you have the money, put the mail spool on a NetApp filer and ->export it to several identical FreeBSD systems. Then put those ->FreeBSD systems behind something like a Foundry ServerIron L4 switch ->and have it take care of the load balancing and redundancy. -> ->You'd definitely want to use Maildir for the storage of mail. -> ->Denny -> ->-- ->Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org ->So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org -> www.scapegoats.org -> I know where I'd like _you_ to go today... -> ->To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ->with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 13:21:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A8137B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alistair.scapegoats.org (alistair.scapegoats.org [64.40.92.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2413E43E6A for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denny@alistair.scapegoats.org) Received: by alistair.scapegoats.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 01D7A243; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:21:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:21:30 -0500 From: 'Denny Reiter' To: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" Cc: Jamie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Message-ID: <20021007202130.GL30821@reiters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 3:16PM up 41 days, 12:10, 8 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 X-Pooftas: No X-Message-Flag: This message flagged by The Department of Homeland Security X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x997F9D70 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:12:30PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > No need to try to have a mail server that will > automatically failover to get the old boxes ip > and what not. That is what MX records and priorities > are for (and they work quite well). > You may also want to have your secondary mx be > at a different physical location than your primary mail > server. (usually the network fails before the hardware, > if built right) I didn't think we were discussing MX records. That's fine for incoming mail to your users, but does nothing to help your users send or receive mail. And while having separate physical locations would be great for network failures, how are you going to keep the mail spools in sync? -- Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org www.scapegoats.org Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 13:30:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4755837B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net [216.35.73.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953A543E75 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97KUdls029198; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97KUWuG027937; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97KUWS15147; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHRRQ7>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Denny Reiter'" Cc: Jamie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you users can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your primary mail server is up. It is quite easy to config netscape and other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for new mail. I was addressing topic that others had brought up with using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and having one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went down. Its great and all but like I said before, if your mail server is built well then the network turns into the failure point. And with the network being the failure point why bother having redundant mail servers in the same physical location? -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:22 PM ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) ->Cc: Jamie; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions -> -> ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:12:30PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael ->(Research) wrote: ->> No need to try to have a mail server that will ->> automatically failover to get the old boxes ip ->> and what not. That is what MX records and priorities ->> are for (and they work quite well). ->> You may also want to have your secondary mx be ->> at a different physical location than your primary mail ->> server. (usually the network fails before the hardware, ->> if built right) -> ->I didn't think we were discussing MX records. That's fine for ->incoming mail to your users, but does nothing to help your users ->send or receive mail. And while having separate physical locations ->would be great for network failures, how are you going to keep the ->mail spools in sync? -> ->-- ->Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org ->So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org -> www.scapegoats.org -> Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:29: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2555637B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alistair.scapegoats.org (alistair.scapegoats.org [64.40.92.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF9243E75 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denny@alistair.scapegoats.org) Received: by alistair.scapegoats.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B7192243; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:28:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:28:57 -0500 From: 'Denny Reiter' To: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Message-ID: <20021007212857.GM30821@reiters.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 4:15PM up 41 days, 13:09, 8 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 X-Pooftas: No X-Message-Flag: This message flagged by The Department of Homeland Security X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x997F9D70 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you users > can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your primary > mail server is up. It is quite easy to config netscape and > other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for new mail. Don't take this personally, but I find that solution silly in reality. While it's quite possible technically and would definitely solve problems, getting a user to successfully configure one mail account and keep from screwing that up is hard enough. Tell them to configure multiples and their head will start spinning. > I was addressing topic that others had brought up with > using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and having > one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went down. > Its great and all but like I said before, if your mail server > is built well then the network turns into the failure point. > And with the network being the failure point why bother having > redundant mail servers in the same physical location? Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get away with taking down your mail server to add more RAM or upgrading your system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get away with it in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and lucky. Got 60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box and make it ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go sideways on you, you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of things automagically not only will please your customers, but immensely improve your mental health. And the network being the failure point? That's why you have multiple circuits from different providers. -- Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org www.scapegoats.org Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and the Ferengi. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:38:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367C537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960EC43E42 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97LcGXC000166; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g97LcAsQ002796; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g97Lc8S19166; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHRS3Q>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Denny Reiter'" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your users lack clue enough to configure a mail client that is what support helpdesks are for or a well structured support website. Your talking in terms of a very large isp. I am talking in terms of what the original poster (who seems to be running a small to medium mail server) can/should do. Having 2 disparate mail servers is not uncommon, I was also thinking of a colo-swap with another provider, its way cheaper then having to pay loop+bandwisdth commit on a link that you only want for backup mail servers. It all realy boils down to what level of service and redundancy you are looking to get to. Again I was thinking on the cheap and less complicated because I interpreted that is what the original poster was looking to do =) -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:29 PM ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions -> -> ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael ->(Research) wrote: ->> Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you users ->> can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your primary ->> mail server is up. It is quite easy to config netscape and ->> other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for new mail. -> ->Don't take this personally, but I find that solution silly in ->reality. While it's quite possible technically and would definitely ->solve problems, getting a user to successfully configure one mail ->account and keep from screwing that up is hard enough. Tell them ->to configure multiples and their head will start spinning. -> ->> I was addressing topic that others had brought up with ->> using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and having ->> one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went down. ->> Its great and all but like I said before, if your mail server ->> is built well then the network turns into the failure point. ->> And with the network being the failure point why bother having ->> redundant mail servers in the same physical location? -> ->Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get away with ->taking down your mail server to add more RAM or upgrading your ->system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get away with it ->in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and lucky. Got ->60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box and make it ->ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go sideways on you, ->you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of things ->automagically not only will please your customers, but immensely ->improve your mental health. -> ->And the network being the failure point? That's why you have ->multiple circuits from different providers. -> ->-- ->Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org ->So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org -> www.scapegoats.org ->Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and ->the Ferengi. -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:41:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C955437B404 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.gnulife.org (floyd.gnulife.org [199.86.41.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A4243E81 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@gnulife.org) Received: by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 96186432C9; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D66432C6; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:47:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamie To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007164450.J6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the suggestion and the ongoing discussion. It really helps me to weigh different pros and cons and to look at different potentials for setting things up. We have all the hardware we could ask for, so I want to take the time to do this right and it isn't very often we have pretty much all the hardware we could ask for here. I appreciate all of your suggestions and dialogue. - Jamie On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > freevrrpd - in /usr/ports/net > > set up is stupid simple for it, and it allows a server to share an IP > address with one or more others, for a failover scenario. Then your only > problem becomes keeping the files sync'd on both servers at once, though > if they both bang against an NFS share that might work ok actually. Just > make that file server box as reliable as you can possible handle (high > quality components, lots of drives, etc). > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Michael DeMan wrote: > > > One way, is to setup a very reliable disk server system and export the mail > > spool as NFS. This box will do nothing but dish up files. > > > > Then, plug in a couple of mail servers with dedicated 100Mbit or 1Gbit ports > > to that NFS box. > > > > The mail servers then mount /var/mail from the NFS server. > > > > If the NFS server goes down, you're hosed, but because its behind another > > layer and not directly on the internet, its not as susceptible to attack. > > > > There is some kind of BSD fail-over tool too, that brings up a second box on > > the IP if the first box fails. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 14:44:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1418337B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.gnulife.org (floyd.gnulife.org [199.86.41.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E05443E6A for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@gnulife.org) Received: by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07078432C9; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5AA432C6; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamie To: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" Cc: 'Denny Reiter' , Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021007164750.V6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I should have added what we are looking at as far as load and userbase. We have about 3000 mail accounts on the server, and would like to think in terms of building for a larger base of about 6000 or so. We have the equipment all housed at a colo facility. The hardware is so-so. Dual PIII's with Asus VP6 motherboards and a gig of ram if any of that info is userful. - Jamie On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > If your users lack clue enough to configure > a mail client that is what support helpdesks > are for or a well structured support website. > > Your talking in terms of a very large isp. > I am talking in terms of what the original > poster (who seems to be running a small to > medium mail server) can/should do. Having 2 > disparate mail servers is not uncommon, I was > also thinking of a colo-swap with another > provider, its way cheaper then having to pay > loop+bandwisdth commit on a link that you only > want for backup mail servers. > > > It all realy boils down to what level of service > and redundancy you are looking to get to. Again I > was thinking on the cheap and less complicated because > I interpreted that is what the original poster was > looking to do =) > > -mtl > > -------------------------------------------------- > Michael Lapinski > Computer Scientist > GE Research > > > "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 > > > ->-----Original Message----- > ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] > ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:29 PM > ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) > ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions > -> > -> > ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, Michael > ->(Research) wrote: > ->> Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you users > ->> can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your primary > ->> mail server is up. It is quite easy to config netscape and > ->> other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for new mail. > -> > ->Don't take this personally, but I find that solution silly in > ->reality. While it's quite possible technically and would definitely > ->solve problems, getting a user to successfully configure one mail > ->account and keep from screwing that up is hard enough. Tell them > ->to configure multiples and their head will start spinning. > -> > ->> I was addressing topic that others had brought up with > ->> using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and having > ->> one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went down. > ->> Its great and all but like I said before, if your mail server > ->> is built well then the network turns into the failure point. > ->> And with the network being the failure point why bother having > ->> redundant mail servers in the same physical location? > -> > ->Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get away with > ->taking down your mail server to add more RAM or upgrading your > ->system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get away with it > ->in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and lucky. Got > ->60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box and make it > ->ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go sideways on you, > ->you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of things > ->automagically not only will please your customers, but immensely > ->improve your mental health. > -> > ->And the network being the failure point? That's why you have > ->multiple circuits from different providers. > -> > ->-- > ->Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org > ->So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org > -> www.scapegoats.org > ->Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the Borg and > ->the Ferengi. > -> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 15: 7:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E91F37B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B758743E7B for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 7040 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2002 22:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.220) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2002 22:07:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3DA2062B.7060806@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 18:09:47 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: http://www.digitaldaemon.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions , FreeBSD ISP , firebird-announce@digitaldaemon.com Subject: firebird-1.0.2 has been released. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! For those interested/using firebird, just released firebird 1.0.2 which has a test virus signature which will output the text of the email message otherwise send through CGI. Check: http://www.digitaldaemon.com/FreeBSD/firebird/ for more information. Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 17: 3:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1662D37B404 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A6943E4A for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lujan@zgeek.com) Received: from mrd1100.homeunix.org (c17180.livrp1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.28.200.40]) by mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9803SC01745; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:03:29 +1000 Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions From: Patrick Kelso To: Denny Reiter Cc: Jamie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20021007194502.GK30821@reiters.org> References: <20021007141027.H6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> <20021007194502.GK30821@reiters.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 08 Oct 2002 10:03:57 +1000 Message-Id: <1034035438.55433.11.camel@mrd1100.homeunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 05:45, Denny Reiter wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 02:12:18PM -0500, Jamie wrote: > > > > > > What other suggestions do you have for building a reliable mailserver? > > And is there a way to set up a couple of servers so that if one goes down, > > the other automatically takes over with the same mail spool if possible? > > We also need to re-engineer here, and I would like to take that into > > consideration. Thanks! > > If you have the money, put the mail spool on a NetApp filer and > export it to several identical FreeBSD systems. Then put those > FreeBSD systems behind something like a Foundry ServerIron L4 switch > and have it take care of the load balancing and redundancy. > > You'd definitely want to use Maildir for the storage of mail. This is the setup the last ISP I worked for used. For approx 60,000 mail users. A NetApp Filer, running redundant raid, and with tape backup as well. We had 4 dual p3-500s as the mailservers, sitting behind a cisco L4 switch. If one of the servers went down, we still had 3 mail servers. If one of the filers hard drives went down, the raid kicks in. The single point of failure is the l4 switch though. (and it did fail once. We had a spare identically configured so even a helpdesk phonemonkey could swap it in. downtime, less than 5 minutes.) Secondary MX should be on a seperate network and subnet. Often upstream providers can help with that, or look at a deal with another small ISP who uses a different upstream provider to swap secondary MX servers. And to whoever said a well run helpdesk and support site can teach customers how to configure their mail clients for multiple servers, I qoute Douglas Adams; "People who design things to be completely foolproof, often underestimate the ingenuity of a complete fool" Spend six months on a helpdesk teaching home internet users to configure netscape mail or outlook express to check even one account, and maintain your sanity. I dare you :) Cheers, Patrick Kelso > > Denny > > -- > Denny Reiter denny@reiters.org > So I don't hurt your feelings: happydenny@reiters.org > www.scapegoats.org > I know where I'd like _you_ to go today... > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 17:29:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DD537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AAF43E6E for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g981UYvD075927 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:30:34 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g981UYlK075926 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:30:34 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:30:33 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021008013033.GA75840@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List References: <20021007005601.GB72630@users.munk.nu> <20021007112908.M51200-100000@stalker.amigo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021007112908.M51200-100000@stalker.amigo.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:31:54AM -0600, Randy Smith wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jez Hancock wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:56:01 +0000 > > From: Jez Hancock > > To: FreeBSD ISP List > > Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem > > > > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:38:13AM +0400, Konstantin M Volevatch wrote: > > > > Also, you may set 'sunlnk' flag on 'web' subdir > > I did play around with the 'chflags' command on a dummy user's .history > > file to see if I could stop the user from deleting the file. Whilst it > > worked perfectly well in that the user couldn't rm the file, when I > > later went to unset the 'sunlnk' flag I was unable to (as root of > > course). > > > > I then went on to test the problem / try to recreate it in another > > directory. The output is as follows: > > > > [0:44:16] munk@users /home# cd /home/munk > > [0:44:19] munk@users /home/munk# mkdir test > > [0:44:22] munk@users /home/munk# cd test > > [0:44:24] munk@users /home/munk/test# touch test > > [0:44:27] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags sunlnk test > > [0:44:34] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test > > chflags: test: Operation not permitted > > [0:44:42] munk@users /home/munk/test# ls -alo > > total 4 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root munk - 512 Oct 7 00:44 ./ > > drwx-----x 14 munk munk - 1536 Oct 7 00:44 ../ > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root munk sunlnk 0 Oct 7 00:44 test > > [0:45:05] munk@users /home/munk/test# chflags nosunlnk test > > chflags: test: Operation not permitted > > [0:45:13] munk@users /home/munk/test# id > > uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 2(kmem), 3(sys), 4(tty), > > 5(operator), 20(staff), 31(guest), 1010(epl) > > > > What am I missing here? I'm unable to unset the 'sunlnk' flag on the > > file 'test' at all for some reason. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jez > > > > If kern.securelevel is > 1 then no one (even root) can unset an sunlnk, > schg, etc. flag. You need to reduce your securelevel to remove the files. *doh* - bingo that's the problem. Many thanks. Jez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 20:17:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B0537B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CB243E7B for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g983HlXC015101; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g983Henm009548; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g983HeS01305; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAHR4Y4>; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Patrick Kelso'" , Denny Reiter Cc: Jamie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Server out of space -- Need suggestions Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:16:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I blame that on the software not being smart enough, I think no one should ever have to configure their mail client with all kinds of info about servers, The software should figure it out on its own. But I don't want to get started on software =) -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Corporate Research & Development "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 The single point of failure is the l4 switch though. (and it did fail once. We had a spare identically configured so even a helpdesk phonemonkey could swap it in. downtime, less than 5 minutes.) Secondary MX should be on a seperate network and subnet. Often upstream providers can help with that, or look at a deal with another small ISP who uses a different upstream provider to swap secondary MX servers. And to whoever said a well run helpdesk and support site can teach customers how to configure their mail clients for multiple servers, I qoute Douglas Adams; "People who design things to be completely foolproof, often underestimate the ingenuity of a complete fool" Spend six months on a helpdesk teaching home internet users to configure netscape mail or outlook express to check even one account, and maintain your sanity. I dare you :) Cheers, Patrick Kelso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 7 21: 7:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C74037B401 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.chel.skbkontur.ru (sol.chel.skbkontur.ru [212.57.175.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412A843E4A for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:07:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilia@chel.skbkontur.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sol.chel.skbkontur.ru (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9847jQg068674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:07:46 +0600 (YEKST) (envelope-from ilia@chel.skbkontur.ru) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:07:45 +0600 (YEKST) From: =?koi8-r?B?6czY0SD7ydDJw8nO?= To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: accounting system for user-ppp Message-ID: <20021008100347.O68628-100000@sol.chel.skbkontur.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs, is anybody of you using log-analysis software/system/RDBMS ? I've managing incoming connections with user-ppp, so I need to "count" how many minutes/bytes each user has taken. Regards, (=EE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=C5 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1) Ilia Chipitsine (=E9=CC=D8=D1 =FB=C9=D0=C9=C3=C9=CE) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 2:12:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B0137B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newnet.co.uk (newnet.co.uk [212.87.80.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045EB43E81 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Received: from BONG (perry-gw-nat1-eth1.router.trident-uk.co.uk [81.3.89.49]) by newnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g989CEtS012781 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:12:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Message-ID: <007a01c26eaa$b2c9f1f0$3264a8c0@BONG> Reply-To: "Jamie Heckford" From: "Jamie Heckford" To: Subject: Corrupted Emails? Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Newnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Sorry for the slightly OT post..... We have strange problem where some customers are receiving "corrupted" emails. Our servers are running FreeBSD w/ Postfix and Cucipop, Mailboxes in the users home directories mounted of an NFS box. The problem appears to be emails originating from the Far East, and I'm convinced it is something to do with the client. What happens is when they retrieve the message, Outlook 98 (The client this person is using... yuk) just displays the raw message including all the headers. I've asked them to get the sender to send in plain text, remove attachments etc. to try and narrow down the problem. If I paste the raw message into my own mailspool I can view it fine using mutt. My guess is its something to do with the encoding?? Or some kind of language conversion/display bug in Outlook 98?? The customer can view emails from other people fine... its just from the far east which causes the problem. Any pointers appreciated as I'm a bit stuck on what to tell them, as they are blaming our servers. Thanks :-) -- Jamie Heckford jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk http://www.jamiesdomain.org.uk/ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve -- ____________________________________________________ Message scanned for viruses and dangerous content by and believed to be clean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 4:58:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1042437B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 04:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.arc.net.my (nagano.arc.net.my [203.115.225.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0295B43E42 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 04:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick@arc.net.my) Received: from roponggi (roppongi.arc.net.my [203.115.225.83]) by mail.arc.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0H3N0017ZVX5CB@mail.arc.net.my> for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:58:17 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:57:55 +0800 From: Nick Kraal Subject: cvsup/sshd/openssl To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Nick Kraal Message-id: <028201c26ec1$f015cfe0$53e173cb@arc.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007a01c26eaa$b2c9f1f0$3264a8c0@BONG> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to upgrade my ssh deamon to the latest version 'openssh-3.4_4' which has dependencies on 'openssl-0.9.6g'. Have updated my ports collection via cvsup. However I notice that the openssl/sshd used are still the old versions: /usr/local/bin/openssl >new version installed via cvsup /usr/local/openssl >old version installed via CD-ROM *used* /usr/local/sbin/sshd >new version installed via cvsup /usr/sbin/sshd >old version installed via CD-ROM *used* Tried this with pkg_add with the same result. Is it as simple as copying the new version binary into the 'right' directory? Or is there a more elegant method for this? Or should I have just complied the source myself with '--prefix=/usr/local/openssl' and '--prefix=/usr/sbin/sshd' - kind of defeats the purpose of the ports colloection then. Worked fine with apache. Thanks in advance -nick/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 5:13:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBB637B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.boerde.de (relay.boerde.de [213.187.87.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F9643E4A for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 05:13:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shauwn@relay.boerde.de) Received: by relay.boerde.de (Postfix, from userid 639) id 430EEFB5D; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:13:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.boerde.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4128CFB5B; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:13:05 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:13:05 +0200 (MEST) From: Frank Reppin Reply-To: Frank.Reppin@boerde.de To: Nick Kraal Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup/sshd/openssl In-Reply-To: <028201c26ec1$f015cfe0$53e173cb@arc.net.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Nick Kraal wrote: Hi Nick, > I am trying to upgrade my ssh deamon to the latest version 'openssh-3.4_4' > which has dependencies on 'openssl-0.9.6g'. Have updated my ports collection > via cvsup. However I notice that the openssl/sshd used are still the old > versions: > > /usr/local/bin/openssl >new version installed via cvsup > /usr/local/openssl >old version installed via CD-ROM *used* > > /usr/local/sbin/sshd >new version installed via cvsup > /usr/sbin/sshd >old version installed via CD-ROM *used* I would suggest removing the installed (from ports) version and replace them with openssh/openssl (from ports too) but using the OPENSSL_OVERWRITE_BASE and OPENSSH_OVERWRITE_BASE flags. kind regards, Frank Reppin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 9: 0:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8D637B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi [193.166.133.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C165C43E42 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eyurtese@bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi) Received: from localhost (eyurtese@localhost) by bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA44894 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:00:33 +0300 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:00:33 +0300 (WET) From: Evren Yurtesen To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is it possible to archive all sent and received emails in a mail server by using qmail or sendmail? any links or directions? Thanks Evren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 9: 4:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B129837B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from threeprong.com (gw.threeprong.com [206.190.140.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2043E3B for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisi@threeprong.com) Received: from [209.95.33.251] (account ) by threeprong.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 241490; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:03:21 -0700 From: Chris Irvine Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions To: Jamie Cc: X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:03:21 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021007164750.V6069-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just my $.02 ... I've been very happy with a commercial package from Stalker. Scales very well, easy to maintain, and feature loaded. I know it isn't free. But after working on ISP features like SMTP AUTH, and SMTP relay after POP, using sendmail or qmail can be a pain. The software runs on anything, including FreeBSD. One sample config, 16k web users, 100 heavy lan users, all running on a single G4@350 w/ OSX. Load average rarely goes over 0.1 If you want to scale up, front and back end clustering is supported for a price. Let me know if you have any questions. (I don't work at Stalker, but sometimes wonder if I should.) -Chris On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:50:44 -0500 (CDT) Jamie wrote: > > > Sorry, I should have added what we are looking at as > far as load and > userbase. We have about 3000 mail accounts on the server, > and would like > to think in terms of building for a larger base of about > 6000 or so. We > have the equipment all housed at a colo facility. The > hardware is so-so. > Dual PIII's with Asus VP6 motherboards and a gig of ram > if any of that > info is userful. > > > > - Jamie > > > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Lapinski, Michael (Research) wrote: > > > If your users lack clue enough to configure > > a mail client that is what support helpdesks > > are for or a well structured support website. > > > > Your talking in terms of a very large isp. > > I am talking in terms of what the original > > poster (who seems to be running a small to > > medium mail server) can/should do. Having 2 > > disparate mail servers is not uncommon, I was > > also thinking of a colo-swap with another > > provider, its way cheaper then having to pay > > loop+bandwisdth commit on a link that you only > > want for backup mail servers. > > > > > > It all realy boils down to what level of service > > and redundancy you are looking to get to. Again I > > was thinking on the cheap and less complicated because > > I interpreted that is what the original poster was > > looking to do =) > > > > -mtl > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Lapinski > > Computer Scientist > > GE Research > > > > > > "I think there is a world market for maybe five > computers." > > - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 > > > > > > ->-----Original Message----- > > ->From: 'Denny Reiter' [mailto:denny@reiters.org] > > ->Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:29 PM > > ->To: Lapinski, Michael (Research) > > ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > ->Subject: Re: Server out of space -- Need suggestions > > -> > > -> > > ->On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:22PM -0400, Lapinski, > Michael > > ->(Research) wrote: > > ->> Your not goign to keep them in sync, this is so you > users > > ->> can recieve *all* of thier mail, regardless if your > primary > > ->> mail server is up. It is quite easy to config > netscape and > > ->> other mail clients to poll multiple pop servers for > new mail. > > -> > > ->Don't take this personally, but I find that solution > silly in > > ->reality. While it's quite possible technically and > would definitely > > ->solve problems, getting a user to successfully > configure one mail > > ->account and keep from screwing that up is hard > enough. Tell them > > ->to configure multiples and their head will start > spinning. > > -> > > ->> I was addressing topic that others had brought up > with > > ->> using a netapp and sharing it between 2 boxes and > having > > ->> one box grab the ip of the mail server if it went > down. > > ->> Its great and all but like I said before, if your > mail server > > ->> is built well then the network turns into the > failure point. > > ->> And with the network being the failure point why > bother having > > ->> redundant mail servers in the same physical > location? > > -> > > ->Got a couple of hundred users? You can probably get > away with > > ->taking down your mail server to add more RAM or > upgrading your > > ->system. Got 10,000? You still might be able to get > away with it > > ->in the wee hours of the morning if you are quick and > lucky. Got > > ->60,000? No way. You might be able to build one box > and make it > > ->ultra-reliable and ultra-fast, but if things go > sideways on you, > > ->you're screwed. Having multiple boxes taking care of > things > > ->automagically not only will please your customers, > but immensely > > ->improve your mental health. > > -> > > ->And the network being the failure point? That's why > you have > > ->multiple circuits from different providers. > > -> > > ->-- > > ->Denny Reiter > denny@reiters.org > > ->So I don't hurt your feelings: > happydenny@reiters.org > > -> www.scapegoats.org > > ->Actually, Microsoft is sort of a mixture between the > Borg and > > ->the Ferengi. > > -> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the > message > > > > > "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." > > - Walt Disney > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com PGP Fingerprint: 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, Networks Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator ___________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 15: 5:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF42537B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2043E43E65 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b226.otenet.gr [212.205.244.234]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g98M5Tc4022827; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:05:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g98LUW2I083859; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:30:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g98LUWFD083858; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:30:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:30:31 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! Message-ID: <20021008213031.GC83241@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-10-08 19:00, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Hi, > Is it possible to archive all sent and received emails in a mail server by > using qmail or sendmail? any links or directions? I think I've read something similar in the Sendmail FAQ. Please visit http://www.sendmail.org and see if you can find anything in the documentation of Sendmail. This can be done with qmail too, and it is described in the installation instructions that are part of the qmail distribution. You'll have to recompile qmail to enable logging of all mail, though. -- keramida@FreeBSD.org -==- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Wed Oct 2 04:55:42 EEST 2002 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 15:29:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B1C37B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi [193.166.133.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC6943E65 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eyurtese@bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi) Received: from localhost (eyurtese@localhost) by bessel.tekniikka.turkuamk.fi (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA60716; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:28:04 +0300 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:28:03 +0300 (WET) From: Evren Yurtesen To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re:(2) archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! In-Reply-To: <20021008213031.GC83241@hades.hell.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the pointers but in sendmail page there are some links about mailing list archiving only if I didnt miss anything there =) Also the same problem in qmail actually, if you remember can you give the exact links to the manuals or FAQ's which mentioned this? On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-10-08 19:00, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it possible to archive all sent and received emails in a mail server by > > using qmail or sendmail? any links or directions? > > I think I've read something similar in the Sendmail FAQ. Please visit > http://www.sendmail.org and see if you can find anything in the > documentation of Sendmail. > > This can be done with qmail too, and it is described in the > installation instructions that are part of the qmail distribution. > You'll have to recompile qmail to enable logging of all mail, though. > > -- > keramida@FreeBSD.org -==- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Wed Oct 2 04:55:42 EEST 2002 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 15:33:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626CE37B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D37DA43E6E for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos@theshell.com) Received: (qmail 54567 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 22:33:40 -0000 Received: from radium.theshell.com (pavalos@63.236.138.3) by arsenic.theshell.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 22:33:40 -0000 Received: (from pavalos@localhost) by radium.theshell.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) id g98MXdZ7073621 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:33:39 -0700 From: Peter Avalos To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (2) archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! Message-ID: <20021008223339.GE57053@theshell.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20021008213031.GC83241@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 01:28:03AM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Thanks for the pointers but in sendmail page there are some links about > mailing list archiving only if I didnt miss anything there =3D) > Also the same problem in qmail actually, if you remember can you give the > exact links to the manuals or FAQ's which mentioned this? >=20 http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/admin.html#copies --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9o11DKjaxugguz8URAlvoAJ9w0x/FOf1u2YJcf7J6zhTJ6mEJVgCeKYet lWQAjwatwXKvkBo/WLNqzAg= =Zvln -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 8 16: 4:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9919437B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450C943E65 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.2/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id g98N4kDl008334 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bust ([12.38.161.88]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H3OQRY00.8YX for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:04:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:04:44 -0400 Subject: Re: archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Swiger To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <55D6122C-DB12-11D6-9582-000A27D85A7E@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 06:28 PM, Evren Yurtesen wrote: > Thanks for the pointers but in sendmail page there are some links about > mailing list archiving only if I didnt miss anything there =) > Also the same problem in qmail actually, if you remember can you give the > exact links to the manuals or FAQ's which mentioned this? Use the Milter interface to sendmail, which has a site at: http://www.milter.org. I believe that an example to copy messages is one of the basic Milter examples.... -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them." -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 6:17: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5A837B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CB943E42 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g99DGuMH097433 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:16:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id g99DGpEm097432 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:16:51 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: archiving all sent and received emails in qmail or sendmail ?! Message-ID: <20021009131651.GB97164@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When asked his whereabouts on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 19:00 , Evren Yurtesen took the fifth, drank it, and then slurred: > Is it possible to archive all sent and received emails in a mail server by > using qmail or sendmail? any links or directions? I've played with the setting in sendmail that does this. Don't recall the flags as the moment. But it prefaces each line with a line and you get both sides - so think of it as doubling the disk space for each message. If you used that you really need to process the file to get rid of all the cruft. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 9:20:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0737B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.distributel.net (cns2.distributel.NET [66.38.181.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A02243E4A for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@colba.net) Received: from colba.net (nat.MTL.distributel.NET [66.38.181.24]) by smtp.distributel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g99GKJUa012455 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3DA4565C.F7418270@colba.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:16:29 -0400 From: Paul Khavkine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Apache system auth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks. Anyone know a module for apache to do system/NIS authentication that works on FreeBSD ? Thanx Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 9:23:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF3437B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.gh.com (smtp1.gh.com [196.3.64.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0371643E77 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gagbey@ghana.com) Received: from [213.172.132.86] (helo=bgp) by smtp1.gh.com with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zJcE-000CRL-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:23:18 +0000 Message-ID: <010601c26fb0$1ccfc1a0$5684acd5@ghana.com> From: "Agbenya Adotey" To: "Freebsd" Subject: Automation Solution Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:22:50 -0000 Organization: N.C.S MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, Good day. I work in an ISP and we are looking for a solution in which when customers pay their bills, events would be triggered on authentication servers. We have Solaris and Freebsd on our network. Regards, Agbenya Adotey N.C.S PMB Osu - Accra Ghana To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 10: 6:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673E837B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF4C43E6E for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17481 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:18:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:18:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: load balancing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, first off I have not checked into this, so that said... I'm looking for a software based load balancing solution. I'd prefer that it run on FreeBSD, and figure if anyone has done this, they'd be on this list. I would like to have this device sit in front of my other web servers (or at least in parallel), process incoming requests, and automatically bounce between multiple systems for balancing and redundancy. Is there anything out there that will do this for me? Perhaps a happy little ports dir I can make install? :) Preferrably I could do something like this with redundant load balancers as well (single points of failure are bad)... Why not just buy a real balancer/CSS? Well, I have not found anything cheap enough to be a real alternative. If someone knows of a place for this I'm all for that since performance might be better or at least built for the purpose, but in the meantime... thanks! - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 10: 7:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C623E37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange.corp.cre8.com (ns.cre8.com [216.135.81.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C84F43E3B for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sullrich@CRE8.COM) Received: by exchange.corp.cre8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4G1JH6ZT>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <2F6DCE1EFAB3BC418B5C324F13934C9601D237F8@exchange.corp.cre8.com> From: Scott Ullrich To: 'Ralph Forsythe' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: load balancing Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:14:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out LOADD in the HUT project. http://www.bsdshell.net Good luck!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Forsythe [mailto:rf-list@centerone.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:19 PM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: load balancing > > > Ok, first off I have not checked into this, so that said... > > I'm looking for a software based load balancing solution. > I'd prefer that > it run on FreeBSD, and figure if anyone has done this, they'd > be on this > list. I would like to have this device sit in front of my other web > servers (or at least in parallel), process incoming requests, and > automatically bounce between multiple systems for balancing and > redundancy. Is there anything out there that will do this for me? > Perhaps a happy little ports dir I can make install? :) Preferrably I > could do something like this with redundant load balancers as > well (single > points of failure are bad)... > > Why not just buy a real balancer/CSS? Well, I have not found anything > cheap enough to be a real alternative. If someone knows of a > place for > this I'm all for that since performance might be better or at > least built > for the purpose, but in the meantime... > > thanks! > - Ralph > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 12:50:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EFE37B401; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outmail-3.st1.spray.net (outmail-3.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD41A43E42; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from puledi1976@lycos.co.uk) Received: from lycos.co.uk (newwww-37.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.47]) by outmail-3.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7351A06C; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:49:57 +0200 (DST) From: puledi mpezi To: puledi1976@lycos.co.uk Message-ID: <1034192996016884@lycos.co.uk> X-Mailer: Caramail - www.caramail.com X-Originating-IP: [216.139.169.27] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: contact me!! Date: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Caramail_0168841034192996_ID" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_0168841034192996_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MR. PULEDI MPEZI. PACIFIC BANK OF SOUTH AFRICA, 9TH FLOOR, HEERENGRACHT TOWER, STANDARD BANK CENTER, CAPE TOWN, SOUTH AFRICA. I am Mr. Puledi Mpezi, Provincial Director Pacific Bank of South Africa, Johannesburg Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you. 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Sincerely Puledi Mpezi ______________________________________________________ Check out all the latest outrageous email attachments on the Outrageous Email Chart! - http://viral.lycos.co.uk --=_NextPart_Caramail_0168841034192996_ID-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 15:39: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575D637B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D26B43E6E for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g99McrE21581; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:38:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3DA4B009.41EABD4@tcworks.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:39:05 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Forsythe , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load balancing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.4(snapshot 20020706) (mail.tcworks.net) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralph Forsythe wrote: > > Ok, first off I have not checked into this, so that said... > > Why not just buy a real balancer/CSS? Well, I have not found anything > cheap enough to be a real alternative. If someone knows of a place for > this I'm all for that since performance might be better or at least built > for the purpose, but in the meantime... Ebay has some *CHEAP* Alteon equipment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2058801012 -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 9 16: 5:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4378037B401 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ruminary.org (chiku.ruminary.org [216.218.185.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F059543E4A for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clark@ruminary.org) Received: by ruminary.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2946322E13; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:26 -0700 From: clark shishido To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load balancing Message-ID: <20021009230526.GA9190@ruminary.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:18:44AM -0600, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > > I'm looking for a software based load balancing solution. take a look at http://www.backhand.org/mod_backhand/ and http://balance.sourceforge.net/ and don't forget that the recent version of IPFilter has basic round-robin. But of course at my day job we use Foundry ServerIrons. --clark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 4: 5:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA72337B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 467C643E77 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 57258 invoked by uid 85); 10 Oct 2002 11:05:51 -0000 Received: from paulo@nlink.com.br by mirage.nlink.com.br by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.12 (avp. Clear:. Processed in 1.995174 secs); 10 Oct 2002 11:05:51 -0000 Received: from j1.nlink.com.br (200.249.195.30) by mirage.nlink.com.br with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 11:05:49 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Paulo Fragoso Subject: Some questions about LDAP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:05:48 -0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210100805.48949.paulo@nlink.com.br> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We are thinking to change our /etc/(master.)passwd schema to LDAP, but we= have=20 some doubts about security. We will have a LDAP server and some clients f= or=20 only auth requests using pam_ldap. Is possible someone (hacker or root)=20 logged into a client machine request all crypt passwords stored on LDAP=20 server? What is the best way (security) to centralize our passwords for answer au= th=20 requests from a remote host using pam module? Thanks, Paulo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 6: 0: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC0B37B404 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9BC443EA9 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulo@nlink.com.br) Received: (qmail 54755 invoked by uid 85); 10 Oct 2002 12:59:57 -0000 Received: from paulo@nlink.com.br by mirage.nlink.com.br by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.12 (avp. Clear:. Processed in 1.262557 secs); 10 Oct 2002 12:59:57 -0000 Received: from j1.nlink.com.br (200.249.195.30) by mirage.nlink.com.br with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 12:59:55 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Paulo Fragoso To: amutsch@abaid.com Subject: Re: Some questions about LDAP Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:59:54 -0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200210100805.48949.paulo@nlink.com.br> <20021010124317.48272.qmail@fap.abaid.com> In-Reply-To: <20021010124317.48272.qmail@fap.abaid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210100959.54455.paulo@nlink.com.br> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday 10 October 2002 09:43, amutsch@abaid.com wrote: > I would use Radius for that. > Regards Andreas But pam_radius on client send packets without provide secure encrypted=20 communications between clients and servers. With LDAP we can add more specific information this way we can filter tha= t at=20 pam_ldap client, ex: # Filter to AND with uid=3D%s pam_filter ou=3Disdn-client > > Paulo Fragoso writes: > > Hi, > > > > We are thinking to change our /etc/(master.)passwd schema to LDAP, bu= t we > > have some doubts about security. We will have a LDAP server and some > > clients for only auth requests using pam_ldap. Is possible someone > > (hacker or root) logged into a client machine request all crypt passw= ords > > stored on LDAP server? > > > > What is the best way (security) to centralize our passwords for answe= r > > auth requests from a remote host using pam module? > > > > Thanks, > > Paulo. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 7:13:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF9137B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from platinum.daweb.net (platinum.daweb.net [217.158.56.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBB843E75 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jk@burstfire.net) Received: from platinum.daweb.net (jk@localhost.daweb.net [127.0.0.1]) by platinum.daweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9AEEtRa094972 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jk@burstfire.net) Received: from localhost (jk@localhost) by platinum.daweb.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9AEEsNx094969 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:55 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: platinum.daweb.net: jk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:54 +0100 (BST) From: Jess Kitchen X-X-Sender: jk@platinum.daweb.net To: Freebsd Subject: Re: Automation Solution In-Reply-To: <010601c26fb0$1ccfc1a0$5684acd5@ghana.com> Message-ID: <20021010151133.B94792-100000@platinum.daweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Agbenya Adotey wrote: > Hi folks, > Good day. I work in an ISP and we are looking for a solution in which when > customers pay their bills, events would be triggered on authentication > servers. > We have Solaris and Freebsd on our network. Take a look at Optigold ISP from Digital Point Solutions (digitalpoint.com) The interface is a little sucky but you can pretty much butcher it to behave how you like. It's been in maintenance since 95/96 and up til now it just keeps bulging with more and more useful stuff. After you've initially integrated it and settled down it's great, talks to radius, assigns statics for people, yadda yadda. You will need per-seat licenses for Filemaker Pro or similar though. Failing that you can always search freshmeat.net for 'isp billing' or somesuch. Cheers, J. -- Jess Kitchen http://www.burstfire.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 7:21:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED9837B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.britesite.net (mx1.britesite.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB08F43EA3 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Received: from stranger (node-423a192a-mdw-onnet.worldcom.com [66.58.25.42]) by mx1.britesite.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9AEL8E02994; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:21:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Message-ID: <012c01c27068$49d63540$0201a8c0@stranger> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: "Jess Kitchen" , "Freebsd" References: <20021010151133.B94792-100000@platinum.daweb.net> Subject: Re: Automation Solution Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also you can try Emerald ( www.iea-software.com ) or freeside (www.sisd.com ) it free. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net Systems Engineer BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jess Kitchen" To: "Freebsd" Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 09:14 Subject: Re: Automation Solution > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Agbenya Adotey wrote: >=20 > > Hi folks, > > Good day. I work in an ISP and we are looking for a solution in = which when > > customers pay their bills, events would be triggered on = authentication > > servers. > > We have Solaris and Freebsd on our network. >=20 > Take a look at Optigold ISP from Digital Point Solutions = (digitalpoint.com) >=20 > The interface is a little sucky but you can pretty much butcher it to > behave how you like. It's been in maintenance since 95/96 and up til = now > it just keeps bulging with more and more useful stuff. After you've > initially integrated it and settled down it's great, talks to radius, > assigns statics for people, yadda yadda. >=20 > You will need per-seat licenses for Filemaker Pro or similar though. >=20 > Failing that you can always search freshmeat.net for 'isp billing' or > somesuch. >=20 > Cheers, > J. >=20 > --=20 > Jess Kitchen > http://www.burstfire.net/ >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 12: 6: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0E037B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7799143EBE for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from yogi (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> From: "Lewis Watson" To: Subject: Ports or From Source? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:57:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey there, I have been running linux on many of our servers and have looked at bsd a couple of times and decided that I might start moving our servers towards freebsd. I have a couple of questions that I cannot find the answers for and am wanting input as to the pros/cons of each. With linux generally I have bypassed the rpm and compiled whatever services (apache, bind, etc,etc) I wanted from source. On freebsd I see there is a ports collection and I am wondering what to do here and what others do; compile from original source or build from the port. I see that the apache ports are running the latest version of apache so it for example seems to stay current. What is the preferred way to go with this? Thanks Lewis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 12:28:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB61E37B404 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00ECF43E75 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos@theshell.com) Received: (qmail 98646 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 19:28:48 -0000 Received: from radium.theshell.com (pavalos@63.236.138.3) by arsenic.theshell.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 19:28:48 -0000 Received: (from pavalos@localhost) by radium.theshell.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) id g9AJSktP011449; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:28:45 -0700 From: Peter Avalos To: Lewis Watson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? Message-ID: <20021010192845.GK57053@theshell.com> Mail-Followup-To: Lewis Watson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:57:01PM -0500, Lewis Watson wrote: > am wanting input as to the pros/cons of each. With linux generally I have > bypassed the rpm and compiled whatever services (apache, bind, etc,etc) I > wanted from source. On freebsd I see there is a ports collection and I am > wondering what to do here and what others do; compile from original source > or build from the port. >=20 The ports collection is a framework for building software. You can build from source using the ports tree. I usually build anything I need to install from the ports tree. --Pete --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE9pdTtKjaxugguz8URAmS/AJYpOu7fjgqbPfe5D64opTCwlgFfAJ0S9wYJ T54EnolJz8bS3kQ3C3GWmg== =Ehny -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ncSAzJYg3Aa9+CRW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 12:30:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1A637B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mimas.gigguardian.com (mimas.gigguardian.com [216.52.21.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F51543E65 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@io.gigguardian.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mimas.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9AJUeF62655; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@io.gigguardian.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mimas.gigguardian.com: www set sender to vhm3@io.gigguardian.com using -f Received: from vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net ([24.219.11.216]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user vhm3) by mimas.gigguardian.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <21866.24.219.11.216.1034278240.squirrel@mimas.gigguardian.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? From: "Chip McClure" To: In-Reply-To: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> References: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: Reply-To: vhm3@gigguardian.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lewis Watson said: Hello Lewis, I highly reccomend building from the ports tree. If the version of the application that I want to use, is not currently in the directory in the ports tree, I'll snag it from the -current directory from one of the ftp.freebsd.org servers, then install from there. The reason for doing this, is unlike rpm, if you're missing any dependencies, those are automatically downloaded, compiled, and installed for you as well. I prefer to build everything I use, from source, much the same as what you've listed. In the past 1 1/2 years, I've migrated 90% of our servers from linux to FreeBSD. In that time, the amount of time spent locating, and downloading an application, and all the dependencies that it requires, has gone to just about 0. :) The ports collection, in my opinion is the best thing since sliced butter. Chip ----- Chip McClure Sr. Unix Administrator GigGuardian, Inc. http://www.gigguardian.com/ ----- > Hey there, > I have been running linux on many of our servers and have looked at bsd > a couple of times and decided that I might start moving our servers > towards freebsd. I have a couple of questions that I cannot find the > answers for and am wanting input as to the pros/cons of each. With > linux generally I have bypassed the rpm and compiled whatever services > (apache, bind, etc,etc) I wanted from source. On freebsd I see there is > a ports collection and I am wondering what to do here and what others > do; compile from original source or build from the port. > > I see that the apache ports are running the latest version of apache so > it for example seems to stay current. What is the preferred way to go > with this? > Thanks > Lewis > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 10 13: 6:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A506937B401 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905B43E9E for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:06:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from yogi (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00a701c27097$45633f60$a977ca41@yogi> From: "Lewis Watson" To: References: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> <21866.24.219.11.216.1034278240.squirrel@mimas.gigguardian.com> Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:57:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks like the ports are the way to go for most everyone. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions, I appreciate it. Lewis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 0:23:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9606F37B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.retemail.es (smtp01.iddeo.es [62.81.186.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EFB43EBE for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JBIANQUETTI@sadiel.es) Received: from mailscan ([62.81.202.67]) by smtp01.retemail.es (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021011072327.OGML4036.smtp01.retemail.es@mailscan> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:23:27 +0200 Received: FROM CORREO.sadiel.es BY mailscan ; Fri Oct 11 09:20:49 2002 +0200 Received: from bsd.sadiel.es ([172.18.1.41]) by CORREO.sadiel.es with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:23:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:21:53 +0200 From: Jorge Bianquetti de las Heras To: Paulo Fragoso Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some questions about LDAP Message-Id: <20021011092153.7f8040f5.jbianquetti@sadiel.es> In-Reply-To: <200210100805.48949.paulo@nlink.com.br> References: <200210100805.48949.paulo@nlink.com.br> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2002 07:23:17.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[116945A0:01C270F7] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Is possible someone (hacker or root) > logged into a client machine request all crypt passwords stored on LDAP > server? Yes, but you may configure slapd.conf to avoid this. access to attrs=userPassword by self write by anonymous auth by dn="cn=manager,o=XXX,c=ES" write by dn="o=XXX,c=ES" write by dn="Officer, o=XXX, c=ES" write > What is the best way (security) to centralize our passwords for answer auth > requests from a remote host using pam module? > Use SSL connections between clients and servers > Thanks, > Paulo. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Saludos, Jorge. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 1:44:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21E037B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newnet.co.uk (newnet.co.uk [212.87.80.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB3243EAC for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Received: from BONG (perry-gw-nat1-eth1.router.trident-uk.co.uk [81.3.89.49]) by newnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g9B8hLtS039080; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:43:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Message-ID: <005601c27102$1f4e8cb0$3264a8c0@BONG> Reply-To: "Jamie Heckford" From: "Jamie Heckford" To: "Lewis Watson" Cc: References: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:42:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Newnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another thing is that some ports (Samba for example) have various FreeBSD specific patches that improve performance and stability. I never used to be for building from the ports, preferring a source compile, but it is a hell of a lot easier from ports. Once you have learnt how it works with all the make commands, you can make your own modifications to the source code (make extract; vi sourcefiles; make install) and still keep track of it through the ports system. Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Watson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: Ports or From Source? > Hey there, > I have been running linux on many of our servers and have looked at bsd a > couple of times and decided that I might start moving our servers towards > freebsd. I have a couple of questions that I cannot find the answers for and > am wanting input as to the pros/cons of each. With linux generally I have > bypassed the rpm and compiled whatever services (apache, bind, etc,etc) I > wanted from source. On freebsd I see there is a ports collection and I am > wondering what to do here and what others do; compile from original source > or build from the port. > > I see that the apache ports are running the latest version of apache so it > for example seems to stay current. What is the preferred way to go with > this? > Thanks > Lewis > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- ____________________________________________________ Message scanned for viruses and dangerous content by and believed to be clean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 8:33: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04F37B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A48143EAA for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Received: from M2W033.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.33]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <293580-220021051115330397@M2W033.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: jeremy@cableaz.com X-Originating-IP: 66.218.238.31 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "jeremy@cableaz.com" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:33:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2002 15:33:00.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B49ABB0:01C2713B] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I apologize in advance for the way off topic but this is where I turn for advice=2E Does anyone know how I can HyperTerminal using a USB port? Thanks JB -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 8:57:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371AC37B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from threeprong.com (gw.threeprong.com [206.190.140.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E17343E9C for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisi@threeprong.com) Received: from [209.95.33.251] (account ) by threeprong.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 243834; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:56:52 -0700 From: Chris Irvine Subject: Re: (usb terminal) To: jeremy@cableaz.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:56:52 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <293580-220021051115330397@M2W033.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may not be the direct solution you are looking for... but consider some of the usb-serial products from keyspan. http://www.keyspan.com/products/homepage-Serial.spml I would image you could null-modem between two usb-serial converters. Also not sure if Open|Net|FreeBSD support serial off USB devices like this. Not sure why you need to do this. Is an old palm running termal software an option for you? On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:33:00 -0400 "jeremy@cableaz.com" wrote: > I apologize in advance for the way off topic but this is > where I turn for > advice. Does anyone know how I can HyperTerminal using a > USB port? > > Thanks > JB > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com PGP Fingerprint: 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, Networks Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator ___________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 9: 1:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D67E37B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.cableaz.com (mail4.cableaz.com [66.218.238.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AECC43E75 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Received: from admin (proxy.cableaz.com [66.218.238.31]) by mail4.cableaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g9BFxtB09607; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:59:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Message-ID: <001f01c2713f$6ed47190$0c0aa8c0@admin> From: "Jeremy Buckner" To: "Chris Irvine" Cc: "isp@FreeBSD.ORG" References: Subject: Re: (usb terminal) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:01:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well the crud of the whole thing is that I bought a laptop with no serial port (stupid me) but I have 4 USB ports? Can I configure one of the USB's to use a com port and then have HyperTerminal functionality? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Irvine" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Re: (usb terminal) > This may not be the direct solution you are looking for... > but consider some of the usb-serial products from keyspan. > > http://www.keyspan.com/products/homepage-Serial.spml > > I would image you could null-modem between two usb-serial > converters. Also not sure if Open|Net|FreeBSD support > serial off USB devices like this. > > Not sure why you need to do this. Is an old palm running > termal software an option for you? > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:33:00 -0400 > "jeremy@cableaz.com" wrote: > > I apologize in advance for the way off topic but this is > > where I turn for > > advice. Does anyone know how I can HyperTerminal using a > > USB port? > > > > Thanks > > JB > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > ___________________________________________________________ > Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com > sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com > PGP Fingerprint: > 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 > Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, > Networks > Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator > ___________________________________________________________ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 9:21:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305B637B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from threeprong.com (gw.threeprong.com [206.190.140.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EE743E97 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisi@threeprong.com) Received: from [209.95.33.251] (account ) by threeprong.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 243864; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:20:46 -0700 From: Chris Irvine Subject: Re: (usb terminal) To: "Jeremy Buckner" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c2713f$6ed47190$0c0aa8c0@admin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not so stupid I think, my new iBook has no serial, and I couldn't be happier. Keyspan has great Mac support, but most of their stuff should work on Wintel too. On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:01:17 -0700 "Jeremy Buckner" wrote: > Well the crud of the whole thing is that I bought a > laptop with no serial > port (stupid me) but I have 4 USB ports? Can I configure > one of the USB's to > use a com port and then have HyperTerminal functionality? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Irvine" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: (usb terminal) > > > > This may not be the direct solution you are looking > for... > > but consider some of the usb-serial products from > keyspan. > > > > http://www.keyspan.com/products/homepage-Serial.spml > > > > I would image you could null-modem between two > usb-serial > > converters. Also not sure if Open|Net|FreeBSD support > > serial off USB devices like this. > > > > Not sure why you need to do this. Is an old palm > running > > termal software an option for you? > > > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:33:00 -0400 > > "jeremy@cableaz.com" wrote: > > > I apologize in advance for the way off topic but this > is > > > where I turn for > > > advice. Does anyone know how I can HyperTerminal > using a > > > USB port? > > > > > > Thanks > > > JB > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the > message > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com > > sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com > > PGP Fingerprint: > > 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 > > Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, > > Networks > > Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ Chris Irvine mailto:chris@threeprong.com sending spam? mailto:misterX@threeprong.com PGP Fingerprint: 4C3F 9211 1C58 DAA6 ED98 1D85 19CC AAFD 0643 B887 Advanced custom solutions for MacOS X, Solaris, UNIX, Networks Sun Certified Solaris 8 Administrator ___________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 10:31:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB7137B406 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D5343E88 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18873 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:44:10 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:44:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (usb terminal) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, for a network / security engineer, a serial port on a laptop is all but a necessity for configuring switches, routers, firewalls, etc. I don't know what his need is for one, but for someone like me I *absolutely* need RS-232 connectivity. I guess a USB dongle would work, but what a pain... Is anyone making the USB->serial adapter in the form of a USB to DB9F 6 foot cable yet? :) That I could use. Using a palm pilot like someone else suggested wouldn't work for me either, the screen is too bloody small for that. I like the keyspan stuff, but that's a lot hanging off the laptop when you're standing in front of a rack in a data center somewhere. I have enough trouble with those damn 3com dongles as it is! :) - Ralph On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Chris Irvine wrote: > Not so stupid I think, my new iBook has no serial, and I > couldn't be happier. Keyspan has great Mac support, but > most of their stuff should work on Wintel too. > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:01:17 -0700 > "Jeremy Buckner" wrote: > > Well the crud of the whole thing is that I bought a > > laptop with no serial > > port (stupid me) but I have 4 USB ports? Can I configure > > one of the USB's to > > use a com port and then have HyperTerminal functionality? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Irvine" > > > > > > > > Not sure why you need to do this. Is an old palm > > running > > > termal software an option for you? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 10:53:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A03037B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notus.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C943E91 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leth@primus.ca) Received: from dialin-153-145.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.153.145]) by notus.primus.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #16) id 1803yi-0000Jf-0A; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:53:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Hunt X-X-Sender: leth@lethargic.dyndns.org To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Lewis Watson Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? In-Reply-To: <001701c2708e$d1432260$a977ca41@yogi> Message-ID: <20021011133312.T59319-100000@lethargic.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Lewis Watson wrote: > On freebsd I see there is a ports collection and I am > wondering what to do here and what others do; compile from original source > or build from the port. > > I see that the apache ports are running the latest version of apache so it > for example seems to stay current. What is the preferred way to go with > this? Personally, I have always built everything from ports with the exception of Apache+PHP, MySQL, and anything else that I want to make major configuration customizations with. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 11 17:14:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA27237B401 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boreas.primus.ca (mail.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7668143E7B for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leth@primus.ca) Received: from dialin-155-124.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.155.124]) by boreas.primus.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #16) id 1809Yk-0005Qj-0A; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:51:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Hunt X-X-Sender: leth@lethargic.dyndns.org To: Tom ONeil Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports or From Source? In-Reply-To: <3DA74753.9020505@tacni.com> Message-ID: <20021011195616.L60458-100000@lethargic.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Tom ONeil wrote: > >>On freebsd I see there is a ports collection and I am > >>wondering what to do here and what others do; compile from original source > >>or build from the port. > > Building from ports *is* building from source. It pulls down the correct > source and compiles it. Any changes go into the Makefile. > This is true. I did not mean to imply that compiling via the ports is not compiling from the source code. I suppose I just assumed that every knows this. > Or am I missing something? > Maybe I am. :) Take Apache+PHP as an example. I have always liked to statically compile PHP into Apache, as opposed to using the DSO. I've never liked modules in general (ie: in the kernel), because I would think that statically compiling things together is better performance wise. I have absolutely no reasoning or proof behind this idea, as it just seems to make sense in my mind. I'm not sure if there is a way to do a static compile PHP of into Apache with the ports, and I've honestly never looked into it before. Glancing through the ports, it seems to be that PHP is only available through the DSO method. Also, for the past 3+ years I've always done it manually (on Linux and *BSD systems), so that's what I'm used to doing. My two cents. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 12 7: 5:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674BF37B401 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from floyd.gnulife.org (floyd.gnulife.org [199.86.41.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0208543E7B for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@gnulife.org) Received: by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AFDC432C9; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by floyd.gnulife.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D302432C6 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:12:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamie To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Advice: Upgrading Sendmail on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20021012090620.S15224-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, wasn't sure if this belonged in a Sendmail board or here. I am running Sendmail 8.11.6 on FreeBSD 4.5. I want to upgrade to 8.12.6. This is going to be on a production machine so I am a bit nervous about it. Here are my questions: 1) If I install it from ports, will it over-write and replace the original installation, or is there something special I should do? 2) Would anyone advise that I build it from source in /usr/src instead of using ports on an upgrade? 3) Is there anything else I may want to bear in mind? Thanks! "There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 12 8: 5:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C49D37B401 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.britesite.net (mx1.britesite.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99F743E88 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Received: from stranger (node-423a192a-mdw-onnet.worldcom.com [66.58.25.42]) by mx1.britesite.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g9CF5ZX26769 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:05:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lanshark@bsinet.net) Message-ID: <025001c27200$d80b2250$0201a8c0@stranger> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: References: <20021012090620.S15224-100000@floyd.gnulife.org> Subject: Re: Advice: Upgrading Sendmail on FreeBSD Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:05:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Building from ports will put all files in /usr/local/.. and original files is in /usr from src will replace original files except scripts in /etc ( i think = ..) run on some test box and see. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Edward Shabotinsky eshabot@bsinet.net Systems Engineer BriteSite Internet www.britesite.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jamie" To: Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 09:12 Subject: Advice: Upgrading Sendmail on FreeBSD >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi, wasn't sure if this belonged in a Sendmail board or here. I am > running Sendmail 8.11.6 on FreeBSD 4.5. I want to upgrade to 8.12.6. = This > is going to be on a production machine so I am a bit nervous about it. > Here are my questions: >=20 >=20 > 1) If I install it from ports, will it over-write and replace the = original > installation, or is there something special I should do? >=20 > 2) Would anyone advise that I build it from source in /usr/src instead = of > using ports on an upgrade? >=20 > 3) Is there anything else I may want to bear in mind? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: > those who understand binary and those who don't." >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message