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Hi all,

Just a quick note to let you know that patchset 7 isn't quite ready.  It
should be ready within the next day or two though.

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I got jdbc working by manually adding the jars to
classpath in tomcat's tomcat.sh. The problem I have
now is that the boot script:
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/020.jakarta-tomcat3.sh
uses tomcat3ctl, which must have it's own mechanism
for starting, because it ignores that classpath. 
(btw although, 020.jakarta-tomcat3.sh does start
tomcat up, tomcat3ctl start doesn't. I've purged and
reinstalled, but the problem remains). 

So is there any way I can get that script to respect
my classpath?

thanks, 

Jay


> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jason End wrote:
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> > I'm having a problem with a java web application
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> > 4.6 Release
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---Reply to mail from Ernst de Haan about Fwd: cvs commit: ports/java/linux-sun-jdk13 Makefile distinfo
> FYI: The Sun JDK 1.3.1 for Linux has been updated to 1.3.1_04.
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
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> Subject: cvs commit: ports/java/linux-sun-jdk13 Makefile distinfo
> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 03:17:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ernst de Haan <znerd@FreeBSD.org>
> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
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> znerd       2002/07/05 03:17:23 PDT
> 
>   Modified files:
>     java/linux-sun-jdk13 Makefile distinfo
>   Log:
>   Port update: 1.3.1_03 --> 1.3.1_04.
> 
>   Revision  Changes    Path
>   1.18      +6 -6      ports/java/linux-sun-jdk13/Makefile
>   1.9       +1 -1      ports/java/linux-sun-jdk13/distinfo
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---End reply
 Dear Ernst,
            will this patch fix the crashes in mozilla-1.0 with jave enabled?
sincerely
Filippo
             





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>  Dear Ernst,
>             will this patch fix the crashes in mozilla-1.0 with jave
> enabled? sincerely
> Filippo

I don't know. Try it and share it with the rest of us! :-)

Ernst

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:43:20AM +0930, Greg Lewis wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just a quick note to let you know that patchset 7 isn't quite ready.  It
> should be ready within the next day or two though.

BTW, I just got HotSpot working last night under -current when I found
and hacked a fixed for a bug in libc_r. :)

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Dear Bill,

>
> > Just a quick note to let you know that patchset 7 isn't 
> > quite ready.  It
> > should be ready within the next day or two though.
> 
> BTW, I just got HotSpot working last night under -current when I found
> and hacked a fixed for a bug in libc_r. :)
>
Way to go!

    Kees Jan

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 12:16:58PM +0200, K.J.Koster@kpn.com wrote:

[HotSpot under -current]

> Way to go!

Heh, it seems to work better under -current too without the funny
SIGUSR1 stuff. That's my suggested platform exploration at this time. ;)

-current seems to be pretty stable enough for my daily use. If anybody
has a different perspective on this, then please speak up.

bill


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On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 12:29, Bill Huey wrote:
 
> -current seems to be pretty stable enough for my daily use. If anybody
> has a different perspective on this, then please speak up.

I'm not so smart to work with -current but trying with 5.0-DP1 i also
got very 'stable' result with my normal apps.
Waiting for DP2 ...

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> Heh, it seems to work better under -current too without the funny
> SIGUSR1 stuff. That's my suggested platform exploration at this time. ;)
Glad to hear it will be supported on -current.
 
> -current seems to be pretty stable enough for my daily use. If anybody
> has a different perspective on this, then please speak up.
I'm also running -current for my day to day work and IMO it's quite
stable. At least after the KSE issues had been solved. And -current need
testers. :-) But, there are _issues_ with -current (broken gcc/g++,
outstanding libc_r problems, ...). Therefore I think p7 should at least
run with -stable, even if it's without HotSpot.

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 12:40:48PM +0200, Massimo Lusetti wrote:
> I'm not so smart to work with -current but trying with 5.0-DP1 i also
> got very 'stable' result with my normal apps.
> Waiting for DP2 ...

The post KSE 3 commit stuff seems pretty stable at the moment. I'm
gonna try and build X so that I can see these demos run natively
instead of over a slow (because of bitmap manipulation) remote
X link.

The results so far have been very encouraging.

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 12:44:57PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> Glad to hear it will be supported on -current.

Also, all further HotSpot development I do will be on
-current if folks don't know this by now. I'm open
to suggestion for and against it.

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 03:10:46AM -0700, Bill Huey wrote:
> BTW, I just got HotSpot working last night under -current when I found
> and hacked a fixed for a bug in libc_r. :)

Folks should note that Dan Eischen's actually fixed the bug after I
pointed out the problem to him from my own experimentation.

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Am Mi, 2002-07-10 um 12.29 schrieb Bill Huey:
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 12:16:58PM +0200, K.J.Koster@kpn.com wrote:
> 
> [HotSpot under -current]
> 
> > Way to go!
> 
> Heh, it seems to work better under -current too without the funny
> SIGUSR1 stuff. That's my suggested platform exploration at this time. ;)
> 
> -current seems to be pretty stable enough for my daily use. If anybody
> has a different perspective on this, then please speak up.
> 
> bill

Yes, that was my opinion, too, about eight months ago. At that time I
jumped in to -current, and I really had a fine time with it.

However, there is this continuous work of keeping up with
"what-is-broken-today" and finding workarounds.  Recently, e.g., there
was some brokenness in fsck(8) and dump(8) which are both pretty vital
to mee.  

So, since you a while ago stated you did your HotSpot work with a
patched libc_r in -stable, I last weekend went back to 4.6-RELEASE (with
the plan to continue on to -stable).

It seems this was really bad timing, as you now prefer -current :-(
...and I have been waiting for HotSpot since sooooooo long.

Do you think there will be a HotSpot patchset for -stable at all? Would
you suggest that I come back to -current now?  I did make a backup of my
-current before I switched :-))))

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:40:46PM +0200, Georg-W. Koltermann wrote:
> It seems this was really bad timing, as you now prefer -current :-(
> ...and I have been waiting for HotSpot since sooooooo long.

It'll work if somebody backports -current's libc_r. I'm not going to do
it since it's not a good use of my time.

> Do you think there will be a HotSpot patchset for -stable at all? Would
> you suggest that I come back to -current now?  I did make a backup of my
> -current before I switched :-))))

The stuff that's in our CVS is only for -stable with a rather bad bug
fix patch of mine to libc_r. It's better all around to use -current or
-current's libc_r for this purpose instead of the -stable's libc_r.
Somebody will have to backport it to -stable like I said before.

I'm about to remove all of that stuff (-stable support) in the CVSs,
so Greg's patch might be dated when it comes out. I think it should be
released regardless, so that folks have an oppurtunity to play with it
and then release something specifically for -current next.

Maintaining trees for two OSes is tedious and time consuming. -stable
is dead. :)

bill


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> The stuff that's in our CVS is only for -stable with a rather bad bug
> fix patch of mine to libc_r. It's better all around to use -current or
> -current's libc_r for this purpose instead of the -stable's libc_r.
> Somebody will have to backport it to -stable like I said before.
> 
> I'm about to remove all of that stuff (-stable support) in the CVSs,
> so Greg's patch might be dated when it comes out.

Why?


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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 05:30:05PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> > The stuff that's in our CVS is only for -stable with a rather bad bug
> > fix patch of mine to libc_r. It's better all around to use -current or
> > -current's libc_r for this purpose instead of the -stable's libc_r.
> > Somebody will have to backport it to -stable like I said before.
> > 
> > I'm about to remove all of that stuff (-stable support) in the CVSs,
> > so Greg's patch might be dated when it comes out.
> 
> Why?

Because working with -stable's libc_r is too problematic. Something
close to the real solution is to backport -current's libc_r or merge
the changes to it to -stable...

bill


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> > > The stuff that's in our CVS is only for -stable with a rather bad bug
> > > fix patch of mine to libc_r. It's better all around to use -current or
> > > -current's libc_r for this purpose instead of the -stable's libc_r.
> > > Somebody will have to backport it to -stable like I said before.
> > > 
> > > I'm about to remove all of that stuff (-stable support) in the CVSs,
> > > so Greg's patch might be dated when it comes out.
> > 
> > Why?
> 
> Because working with -stable's libc_r is too problematic. Something
> close to the real solution is to backport -current's libc_r or merge
> the changes to it to -stable...

I believe Dan is going to do this, but until that happens, why not just
leave the -stable support in place?  It certainly isn't hurting
anything.



Nate

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[A snippet from a private mail I wrote]

More comments...

I've been using -current pretty heavily and it's definitely stable enough
to use everyday. There's build issues, but I've been able to get around all
of them so far without too much effort. Who knows, somebody could commit
something that'll complete break the system tomorrow. That why I kept
the old pre-KSE kernel during the recent roughness with that commit.

You just have to update the machine intelligently.

"How it's running"

1) The Java2Demo is running rather slow and it has me worried.

2) The SIGUSR1 delivery problem is gone now when I run under -current.

3) The only thing that's left is testing out the signal/exception
	framework (stack yellow/red zoning). Hopefully, that won't
	be completely broken.

bill



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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 05:45:59PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> I believe Dan is going to do this, but until that happens, why not just
> leave the -stable support in place?  It certainly isn't hurting
> anything.

There's another subtle bug in -stable that isn't worth it for me to
track it down, which just gives me more reason to abandon -stable
since it won't run correctly on it anyways even with my hacks. It
directly includes a private pthreads header...

I'd like to keep things clean by removing a lot of the sloppiness
in the current tree. What I commited was a snapshot of my development
tree and was in no way designed for general consumption and I don't
expect folks to clean up after me.

If there's a compelling reason for me to keep -stable, then I'm open
to suggestions such as large body of folks that can only run -stable
because they have only 1 machine, etc...

bill


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[resending to the list after forgetting to CC it in the original msg]

Hi there,

I'd like to say thanks for working on this. I work with both Java and 
FreeBSD, and I greatly appreciate anything that gets done to make the 
two work better together. So, thanks! :)

Bill Huey wrote:
 >
 > Also, all further HotSpot development I do will be on
 > -current if folks don't know this by now. I'm open
 > to suggestion for and against it.


I'd like to see it running on -stable if only so I can at least attempt 
to use it in a production environment sometime in the not too distant 
future.

5.0-RELEASE is going to be at least four months away, and the paranoid 
admin in me means I'm not going to be very inclined to move my servers 
from 4.x to 5.x until at least a few point releases after 5.0 comes out. 
So, realistically, if HotSpot does not run on 4.x, I'm looking at 8 to 
12 months until I can use HotSpot on FreeBSD in a stable server 
environment. This, of course, sucks..

:)

/mike.

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 09:47:27AM +0930, Michael Gratton wrote:
> 5.0-RELEASE is going to be at least four months away, and the paranoid 
> admin in me means I'm not going to be very inclined to move my servers 
> from 4.x to 5.x until at least a few point releases after 5.0 comes out. 
> So, realistically, if HotSpot does not run on 4.x, I'm looking at 8 to 
> 12 months until I can use HotSpot on FreeBSD in a stable server 
> environment. This, of course, sucks..

The answer to that is ultimately backporting libc_r (haven't I said this
before ? ;) ). It's not even close being production ready, so getting to
run on a -stable machine isn't really that important since it's only good
for experimentation and development at this time.

bill


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Bill Huey wrote:
> 
> The answer to that is ultimately backporting libc_r (haven't I said this
> before ? ;) ).

Yep, and you've said it a few times now, yeah. ;)

> It's not even close being production ready, so getting to
> run on a -stable machine isn't really that important since it's only good
> for experimentation and development at this time.

That's pretty much what I figured. 8-12 months *is* a long time, but a 
lot of stuff could happen between then and now.. the JDK passes every 
JCK(?) test, HotSpot starts working, libc_r gets backported, Sun assigns 
a few enginneers to give you guys a hand..

Well, at least the first three are realistic..

;)

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> > I believe Dan is going to do this, but until that happens, why not just
> > leave the -stable support in place?  It certainly isn't hurting
> > anything.
> 
> There's another subtle bug in -stable that isn't worth it for me to
> track it down, which just gives me more reason to abandon -stable
> since it won't run correctly on it anyways even with my hacks. It
> directly includes a private pthreads header...
> 
> I'd like to keep things clean by removing a lot of the sloppiness
> in the current tree. What I commited was a snapshot of my development
> tree and was in no way designed for general consumption and I don't
> expect folks to clean up after me.
> 
> If there's a compelling reason for me to keep -stable, then I'm open
> to suggestions such as large body of folks that can only run -stable
> because they have only 1 machine, etc...

IMNSHO, -current is a free-for-all, and people who want to do Java
development shouldn't be expected to play the -current games.


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> 3) The only thing that's left is testing out the signal/exception
> 	framework (stack yellow/red zoning). Hopefully, that won't
> 	be completely broken.

It appears that signals may not be completely working as expected in
-current, so you may have problems there as well.

If the only problems are userland (ie; libc_r), that's a really silly
reason to abandon -stable for -current.



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> > It appears that signals may not be completely working as expected in
> > -current, so you may have problems there as well.
> > 
> > If the only problems are userland (ie; libc_r), that's a really silly
> > reason to abandon -stable for -current.
> 
> First of all, the code (HotSpot + libc_r) works better under -current
> than -stable. I've been tracking -current pretty closely and it's fine
> for what's being done at this point, signals are ok too.

Signals 'mostly work' in -current, regardless of what they do in
HotSpot.  You may end up chasing your tail trying to fix Java bugs that
are in fact kernel bugs.

> A differentiation needed to be made between my own development process
> and what will be available to the general community.

Ok, you can run whatever you like, but don't expect anyone to be able to
help you.  (The latter was sarcasm, since at the moment you're the only
one doing any HotSpot development.)

By jumping to -current, you severely limit both the developers *AND*
testers for the code, so you'll continue to be the one-man show.

If that's what you want, then you'll get your wish.  If, however you
want others to jump in and help you (as well as use the fruits of your
labors), then we need to keep -stable a supported platform, even if it's
non-optimal.

> Right now they are different and it serves me best to continue with
> what I'm current doing otherwise I won't be able to make any more
> forward progress with this project.

Define progress?  Getting stuff working under -stable is progress, and
ripping the code out is certainly not progress.

> As far as abandoning -stable, that'll be corrected once a libc_r merge
> happens. It's not really abandoning it per se as much as waiting for
> an essential component to be migrated over. When that happens, the two
> efforts will be unified.

Fair enough.  Does Dan know exactly what parts of libc_r need to be
merged back in?  Can you help him out there, so that the changes are
made back to -stable, so that other developers (and users) can get a
chance at HotSpot?  That would be a temporary setback for you as far as
bit-twiddling and such, but it would bring the project and other
developers much further ahead.



Nate

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:33:52PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> It appears that signals may not be completely working as expected in
> -current, so you may have problems there as well.
> 
> If the only problems are userland (ie; libc_r), that's a really silly
> reason to abandon -stable for -current.

First of all, the code (HotSpot + libc_r) works better under -current
than -stable. I've been tracking -current pretty closely and it's fine
for what's being done at this point, signals are ok too.

A differentiation needed to be made between my own development process
and what will be available to the general community. Right now they are
different and it serves me best to continue with what I'm current doing
otherwise I won't be able to make any more forward progress with this
project.

As far as abandoning -stable, that'll be corrected once a libc_r merge
happens. It's not really abandoning it per se as much as waiting for
an essential component to be migrated over. When that happens, the two
efforts will be unified.

bill


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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 09:57:51PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> Signals 'mostly work' in -current, regardless of what they do in
> HotSpot.  You may end up chasing your tail trying to fix Java bugs that
> are in fact kernel bugs.

I'm competent enought to know the differences between those bugs. I've
been in libc_r land long enough to figure out what should be working
verses what's broken.

> Ok, you can run whatever you like, but don't expect anyone to be able to
> help you.  (The latter was sarcasm, since at the moment you're the only
> one doing any HotSpot development.)

I'm not. :)

> By jumping to -current, you severely limit both the developers *AND*
> testers for the code, so you'll continue to be the one-man show.
> 
> If that's what you want, then you'll get your wish.  If, however you

Well, I'd like to think of it as destiny, maybe punishment and not a
wish as you say. ;)

> want others to jump in and help you (as well as use the fruits of your
> labors), then we need to keep -stable a supported platform, even if it's
> non-optimal.

Nate !! take a pill dude !! I know what I'm doing.

The answer to all of this is backporting libc_r to -stable.

> Define progress?  Getting stuff working under -stable is progress, and
> ripping the code out is certainly not progress.

Progress is what I deem to be important at this time. By moving to -current
I got around a problem with userspace signals automatically that was
previously effecting the port. That's a good thing, otherwise I'd still
be screwing with stuff that is already fixed in -current.

Next on the list is red/yellow zoning if I choose to do that. My intentions
here are to move into straight kernel programming after this project,
but I definitely intend to get this project working pretty well before I
focus on other things. I'm not exactly abandoning it as you might think
or what was implied in previous emailings, so the concerns aren't
completely fatalistic.

What you've said is valid except that the solution is a backport of libc_r.

> Fair enough.  Does Dan know exactly what parts of libc_r need to be
> merged back in?  Can you help him out there, so that the changes are
> made back to -stable, so that other developers (and users) can get a
> chance at HotSpot?  That would be a temporary setback for you as far as
> bit-twiddling and such, but it would bring the project and other
> developers much further ahead.

Dan shouldn't be doing that stuff either, he's got other crazy stuff to
worry about. I was hoping that somebody else in this project would take
that task on.

[setbacks]

Well, not really. It's *so* pre-alpha at this time that nobody but the
most adventurous can help anyways. Even then you pretty much have to be
pthreads expert (+ OOP language runtimes) to fix any of the serious problems.

The HotSpot sources are completely mind boggling BTW.

For those folks that are willing/capable to work on this, porting libc_r
and/or running -current isn't going to be a serious problem or blockage for
them, however that does cut out the general bug hunting community. That's
a legitmate consideration later on in the project, but not now. Give me
a couple of weeks to mesh out a couple of things.

I know folks are eager to get at it under -stable, but the key component
here is getting libc_r backported.

I'm not sure what else here to say.

bill


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> > Signals 'mostly work' in -current, regardless of what they do in
> > HotSpot.  You may end up chasing your tail trying to fix Java bugs that
> > are in fact kernel bugs.
> 
> I'm competent enought to know the differences between those bugs.

Julian (the person we get to blame for these bugs) can't determine why
sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, so I'm suprised you are
so confident in your ability to differentiate between kernel 'signal'
bugs and JVM bugs.

> What you've said is valid except that the solution is a backport of libc_r.
> 
> > Fair enough.  Does Dan know exactly what parts of libc_r need to be
> > merged back in?  Can you help him out there, so that the changes are
> > made back to -stable, so that other developers (and users) can get a
> > chance at HotSpot?  That would be a temporary setback for you as far as
> > bit-twiddling and such, but it would bring the project and other
> > developers much further ahead.
> 
> Dan shouldn't be doing that stuff either, he's got other crazy stuff to
> worry about. I was hoping that somebody else in this project would take
> that task on.

Dan *owns* libc_r.  If it's done to libc_r, he's the man to commit the
changes after reviewing them.

If you want the changes backported, then Dan is the man to do it.  If
you want it done sooner, let him know what needs to be done, (providing
patches, pointers, etc..)

Otherwise, it won't get done.



Nate

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:49:08PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> Julian (the person we get to blame for these bugs) can't determine why
> sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, so I'm suprised you are
> so confident in your ability to differentiate between kernel 'signal'
> bugs and JVM bugs.

Maybe I'm taking on too much at this time with kernel signals (fix julian's
problems), userspace signals and HotSpot. I am getting wierd pauses and I'm
curious if they're KSE related. If that's the case, then you'll see a
backport effort done by me.

> Dan *owns* libc_r.  If it's done to libc_r, he's the man to commit the
> changes after reviewing them.
> 
> If you want the changes backported, then Dan is the man to do it.  If
> you want it done sooner, let him know what needs to be done, (providing
> patches, pointers, etc..)

True, but the review process doesn't excluded the backport effort itself.

bill


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> > Julian (the person we get to blame for these bugs) can't determine why
> > sometimes it works and other times it doesn't, so I'm suprised you are
> > so confident in your ability to differentiate between kernel 'signal'
> > bugs and JVM bugs.
> 
> Maybe I'm taking on too much at this time with kernel signals (fix julian's
> problems), userspace signals and HotSpot. I am getting wierd pauses and I'm
> curious if they're KSE related. If that's the case, then you'll see a
> backport effort done by me.
> 
> > Dan *owns* libc_r.  If it's done to libc_r, he's the man to commit the
> > changes after reviewing them.
> > 
> > If you want the changes backported, then Dan is the man to do it.  If
> > you want it done sooner, let him know what needs to be done, (providing
> > patches, pointers, etc..)
> 
> True, but the review process doesn't excluded the backport effort itself.

Right, but the commit of the backported changes needs either Dan's
review and (more likely) he'll do the commit himself.


Nate

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:58:59PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote:
> Right, but the commit of the backported changes needs either Dan's
> review and (more likely) he'll do the commit himself.

Dude, you need to chill out and back off. This port just got working
two night ago and I haven't had the chance to even scatch my ass
since then, so I don't really know what I'm going to immediately do
and in the future (but I have a plan). If -current doesn't work out,
then I'll think of another means to forward this project.

I'm not rigid and I've done well for this project. I'm adaptive like
any reasonable human being. So why not just assume that I'm reasonable
because of my project history and then bring up comments about it in
a neutral way without forcing me into anything ?

Is that too much to ask ?

bill


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At some point, Nate Williams said:
> IMNSHO, -current is a free-for-all, and people who want to do Java
> development shouldn't be expected to play the -current games.

people who want to do Java development (including me, since that's my job)
should choose their platforms carefully, recognizing that free software is
at the mercy of other people's free time.

I'm fortunate in that I don't need any features from 1.4, nor do I really
need HotSpot at the moment. even if I did, I understand that Bill knows
what he's doing, and I'd cool my heels using 1.4 on a linux or solaris box
if I really needed to.

things seem be progressing just fine, and I don't think badgering the
developer is really the solution here.

chris



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On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 11:37:12PM -0700, Chris Doherty wrote:
> things seem be progressing just fine, and I don't think badgering the
> developer is really the solution here.

Oh, BTW, did I tell you that he also owes me money ? ;)

He could be right and I might eventually have to move back to -current.

I developed on -current only because i thought it was the best method
of testing out some libc_r things... But if -current is misbehaving,
then i'm moving back.

bill


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Am Do, 2002-07-11 um 05.33 schrieb Nate Williams:
> > 3) The only thing that's left is testing out the signal/exception
> > 	framework (stack yellow/red zoning). Hopefully, that won't
> > 	be completely broken.
> 
> It appears that signals may not be completely working as expected in
> -current, so you may have problems there as well.
> 
> If the only problems are userland (ie; libc_r), that's a really silly
> reason to abandon -stable for -current.
IMHO is targeting -current The Right Thing (tm). 5.0-RELEASE is not _so_
far away and it would be nice if it would come with a native (Sun
approved) binary on the CD. IMHO it would be good for the image of
FreeBSD. Some users were disappointed that it didn't come with the
latest 4.x-RELEASEs.
I don't say -stable should be abandoned, but 5.0-RELEASE should (IMHO)
be the primary target.

Marc



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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 01:07:55PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> Am Do, 2002-07-11 um 05.33 schrieb Nate Williams:
> > If the only problems are userland (ie; libc_r), that's a really silly
> > reason to abandon -stable for -current.

> IMHO is targeting -current The Right Thing (tm). 5.0-RELEASE is not _so_
> far away and it would be nice if it would come with a native (Sun

I see both sides to this issue. The working premise here is that -current
is my prefered platform of choice for pure HotSpot development. If that
fails to serve my purposes then I'll think about moving to -stable.

BTW, I was multiplying the os::sleep() values by 1000x, which made the
Java2D demo slow. ;) I fixed that and it runs more reasonably now with
only a 3.8x slow down from the native Linux JVM on my Debian box. That's
probably because I'm running a debug version of HotSpot. I expect it
to be faster (I got a glimpse of it) with the production version.

The signs are definitely encouraging. I need to quit this project and
move onto something that's more mainstream for my career, so I might
drop it anyways. I'm getting low on cash here. :\

I'll keep you folks informed.

bill


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> I see both sides to this issue. The working premise here is that -current
> is my prefered platform of choice for pure HotSpot development. If that
> fails to serve my purposes then I'll think about moving to -stable.
You should do _whatever_ speeds up your development. :-) It's your
project. :-) (At least the HotSpot part). 

> probably because I'm running a debug version of HotSpot. I expect it
> to be faster (I got a glimpse of it) with the production version.
Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)

> The signs are definitely encouraging. I need to quit this project and
> move onto something that's more mainstream for my career, so I might
> drop it anyways. I'm getting low on cash here. :\
I'm said to hear that. But I don't think that C(++), OS Development, JIT
and OOP does look all too bad on a resume. And Java is also really
demanded nowadays. Ever thought of knocking on Sun's door ?


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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:08:52PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> You should do _whatever_ speeds up your development. :-) It's your
> project. :-) (At least the HotSpot part). 

Yeah, that's what I was thinking and it's why I was blowing off -stable
for right now.

> > probably because I'm running a debug version of HotSpot. I expect it
> > to be faster (I got a glimpse of it) with the production version.

> Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)

Yes, I was cleaning that stuff up last night (3 hours ago). I hope to
commit it and then have it publically available soon for folks to play
with. BTW, I'm starting to run into bugs now, so that might slow things
down.

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:08:52PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)

Another thing that I need to ask is what's the relevance
of me working on HotSpot if you, say, could possibly run
it under Linux emulation ? Would it still be critical if
that was the case ?

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> Another thing that I need to ask is what's the relevance
> of me working on HotSpot if you, say, could possibly run
> it under Linux emulation ? Would it still be critical if
> that was the case ?
Some parts of my application are using the JNI (mostly XSLT via
libxslt). So, it's not a real option for me. At least in this particular
case. But, it would be a big step in the right direction. Would this
also sweep out the Linux JDK 1.4 issues ?

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 05:05:08PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> Some parts of my application are using the JNI (mostly XSLT via
> libxslt). So, it's not a real option for me. At least in this particular
> case. But, it would be a big step in the right direction. Would this
> also sweep out the Linux JDK 1.4 issues ?

The JVM classic option is gone in 1.4 and is entirely built upon HotSpot
as I understand it. I'd assume this port effort would lay some
foundation for 1.4.

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> The JVM classic option is gone in 1.4 and is entirely built upon HotSpot
> as I understand it. I'd assume this port effort would lay some
> foundation for 1.4.
I actually though of does it get the Linux JDK 1.4 running. :-) At the
moment it doesn't run at all... Every application (eg. IntelliJ Idea)
I've tried "stalls". I'm only seeing "pause" in top...


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Bill Huey wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:08:52PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> 
>>Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)
> 
> 
> Another thing that I need to ask is what's the relevance
> of me working on HotSpot if you, say, could possibly run
> it under Linux emulation ? Would it still be critical if
> that was the case ?
> 

I'm not sure if that would really help. Right now support for hotspot under the 
Linux emulation is broken because of the complicated stuff that sun uses to 
make their hotspot compiler running. This has been so ever since 1.3 came out, 
which is about two years ago now. So if you (or someone else) would make it 
work for now, it would propably still be an ongoing effort with every new 
release of the jdk for linux. Or at least that's what I'm afraid of.

I also don't think there is an active maintainer of the emulator right now.

Having a native binary, and the sources, being able to debug the problems, 
instead of reverse engineering the linux emulator with truss is definitely an 
advantage.

Besides, wouldn't we be able to effectively use the (superior, at least one day 
:) when 5.0 comes out), threading system of FreeBSD with the native binary, to 
get superior performance ... :-)

Marc.
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> I'm new to FreeBSD although not new to Java or development in general. What
> exactly is "broken" with the Linux JDK1.4? I installed that port on a box
Every app I try to run on my -current box just "stalls" and is only
killable with "kill -9". I didn't get _any_ app to work with that JDK. 

> just the other day and intend to use it as my base JDK for an application
> server.
>
> Thanks for any tips and also for any recommendations for which JDK version
> and port to use on FreeBSD with the intention of running an application
> server (i.e. JBoss).
I'm running Orion and JBoss with the native JDK without any problem. And
with the upcoming HotSpot it should also be "fast enough".

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http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2002/07/10/javabsd.html

Hope it is error free, because there is no turning back now!

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> > I know several other people have run into the problem where
> > the (Linux) JDK or JRE 1.4 will only run as root.
> > Tracing this with 'ktrace', the issue is a statfs call,
> > which returns 'RESTART'. I don't see that errno listed on
> > the man page for statfs, I guess it must come from the
> > linux_statfs in compat/linux.
> > 
> >  48927 java     CALL  statfs(0xbf1f)
> >  48927 java     RET   statfs RESTART
> 
> OK, after having found out that 'ktrace' isn't appropriate
> for linux executables (use truss or linux_kdump), I found that
> the culprit is actually:
> 
> linux_sched_getscheduler(0xcb18)                 ERR#1 'Operation not
> permitted'
> 
> when root, this is permitted. When non-root, this is not-permitted.
> 
> Suggestions? Is this a problem with the linux emulation? Or is
> there a permissions difference between linux & freebsd here?

I'm having the same problem.  It looks like this has been discussed on -STABLE,
-JAVA, -HACKERS, and -QUESTIONS, but to no avail:

<http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=437107+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2002/freebsd-bugs/20020519.freebsd-bugs>

I'm sorry for the redundant cross-post, but this looks like a hard one to
solve.

-jj

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Has anyone gotten IPv6 working in Java on FreeBSD?  Naturally, Java only 
started supporting IPv6 in 1.4.  Unfortunately, IPv6 doesn't seem to work 
under linux-jdk-1.4.0.

Thanks,
-jj

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:07:48PM -0700, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> > > I know several other people have run into the problem where
> > > the (Linux) JDK or JRE 1.4 will only run as root.
> > > Tracing this with 'ktrace', the issue is a statfs call,
> > > which returns 'RESTART'. I don't see that errno listed on
> > > the man page for statfs, I guess it must come from the
> > > linux_statfs in compat/linux.
> > > 
> > >  48927 java     CALL  statfs(0xbf1f)
> > >  48927 java     RET   statfs RESTART
> > 
> > OK, after having found out that 'ktrace' isn't appropriate
> > for linux executables (use truss or linux_kdump), I found that
> > the culprit is actually:
> > 
> > linux_sched_getscheduler(0xcb18)                 ERR#1 'Operation not
> > permitted'
> > 
> > when root, this is permitted. When non-root, this is not-permitted.
> > 
> > Suggestions? Is this a problem with the linux emulation? Or is
> > there a permissions difference between linux & freebsd here?
> 
> I'm having the same problem.  It looks like this has been discussed on -STABLE,
> -JAVA, -HACKERS, and -QUESTIONS, but to no avail:
> 
> <http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=437107+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2002/freebsd-bugs/20020519.freebsd-bugs>
> 
> I'm sorry for the redundant cross-post, but this looks like a hard one to
> solve.

Not hard at all.  The perms in sched_getscheduler in -stable are silly.
(also sched_getparam).  Just try changing it to something like the patch
below (note that I don't have a stable system at the moment, so I don't
guarantee it works, nor that it even compiles -- take it as a guide only).

--- p1003_1b.c.orig	Thu Jul 11 17:29:55 2002
+++ p1003_1b.c	Thu Jul 11 17:40:51 2002
@@ -211,14 +211,24 @@
 int sched_getscheduler(struct proc *p,
 	struct sched_getscheduler_args *uap)
 {
-	int e;
-	(void) (0
-	|| (e = p31b_proc(p, uap->pid, &p))
-	|| (e = ksched_getscheduler(&p->p_retval[0], ksched, p))
-	);
+	int e = 0;
+	struct proc *targetp;
 
-	return e;
+	if (uap->pid == 0) {
+		targetp = p;
+	} else {
+		targetp = pfind(uap->pid);
+		if (targetp == NULL) {
+			e = ESRCH;
+		}
+	}
+
+	if (e == 0)
+		e = ksched_getscheduler(&p->p_retval[0], ksched, targetp);
+
+	return (e);
 }
+
 int sched_yield(struct proc *p,
 	struct sched_yield_args *uap)
 {

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Hey,

After discovering that I had boneheadedly multiplied the os::sleep()
values by a 1000, it fixed the stall problems I had with the Java2D
demo.

The production/non-debug builds were crashing last night, but I reduced
the optimization level to -O0 and progressively got it to run more
reliably.

At -O0 the HotSpot production version runs reliably for the Java2D demo.
I'm turning off specific optimization options incrementally as I increase
the global level of optimization to find what's blowing things up.

With the no optimizations at -O0, I get within 50 percent of the
native Linux JDK in speed running Java2D. This is really encouraging.

bill


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> The production/non-debug builds were crashing last night, but I reduced
> the optimization level to -O0 and progressively got it to run more
> reliably.
> 
> At -O0 the HotSpot production version runs reliably for the Java2D demo.
> I'm turning off specific optimization options incrementally as I increase
> the global level of optimization to find what's blowing things up.
The system gcc is badly broken. Maybe you should use gcc31 (or even
gcc295) from ports.

> With the no optimizations at -O0, I get within 50 percent of the
> native Linux JDK in speed running Java2D. This is really encouraging.
Wow!

Marc


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On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> The system gcc is badly broken. Maybe you should use gcc31 (or even
> gcc295) from ports.

HotSpot is can only be compiled by a compiler after the 3.0 series.
I'm using gcc 3.1.

> > With the no optimizations at -O0, I get within 50 percent of the
> > native Linux JDK in speed running Java2D. This is really encouraging.

> Wow!

Yes, I'm still trying to track down the optimization bug in gcc 3.1.
There's a lot of funny stack manipulation things that HotSpot does
when using the JVM itself as a library (yes, that's correct believe
it or not) so stack integrity is critical.

Heh, I hope to have the problem nailed by the end of this week and
my most recently changes commited to our CVS.

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> HotSpot is can only be compiled by a compiler after the 3.0 series.
> I'm using gcc 3.1.
The -current system gcc 3.1. And that gcc is broken... The port gcc31
seems to be ok.

> Yes, I'm still trying to track down the optimization bug in gcc 3.1.
Maybe you should use the port gcc31 until all -current gcc problems have
been resolved. Following the discussions at current@ the system gcc
seems to be FUBAR.

> There's a lot of funny stack manipulation things that HotSpot does
> when using the JVM itself as a library (yes, that's correct believe
> it or not) so stack integrity is critical.
This seems to be rather strange. :-) 

> Heh, I hope to have the problem nailed by the end of this week and
> my most recently changes commited to our CVS.
Cool! I can hardly wait to get -p7. :-)

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Am Do, 2002-07-11 um 17.11 schrieb Marc van Kempen:
> Bill Huey wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:08:52PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
> > 
> >>Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)
> > 
> > 
> > Another thing that I need to ask is what's the relevance
> > of me working on HotSpot if you, say, could possibly run
> > it under Linux emulation ? Would it still be critical if
> > that was the case ?
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure if that would really help. Right now support for hotspot under the 
> Linux emulation is broken because of the complicated stuff that sun uses to 
> make their hotspot compiler running. This has been so ever since 1.3 came out, 
> which is about two years ago now. So if you (or someone else) would make it 
> work for now, it would propably still be an ongoing effort with every new 
> release of the jdk for linux. Or at least that's what I'm afraid of.

Oh sure, having the native HotSpot is much prefereable to having Linux
HotSpot -- *BUT* keep in mind that Linux HotSpot is maintained by SUN,
and therefore is available WAY EARLIER with every JDK release.

I think that now that green threads are gone from JDK 1.4+, it is even
more important that we are able to run the Linux HotSpot. Otherwise we
would always have this one-year (or so) gap between the Linux release
date of a new JDK and the FreeBSD availability date.

I'm not saying that the FreeBSD porting is too slow when it takes one
year, this time lag is the sum of several factors.  However fast we are
in porting, we will have to wait for SUNs source release of a new JDK,
and that's usually quite a bit after the first binary releases, or isn't
it?

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Georg-W. Koltermann wrote:
> Am Do, 2002-07-11 um 17.11 schrieb Marc van Kempen:
> 
>>Bill Huey wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 02:08:52PM +0200, Marc Recht wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Cool! Can we've a patch ? Pretty please. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Another thing that I need to ask is what's the relevance
>>>of me working on HotSpot if you, say, could possibly run
>>>it under Linux emulation ? Would it still be critical if
>>>that was the case ?
>>>
>>
>>I'm not sure if that would really help. Right now support for hotspot under the 
>>Linux emulation is broken because of the complicated stuff that sun uses to 
>>make their hotspot compiler running. This has been so ever since 1.3 came out, 
>>which is about two years ago now. So if you (or someone else) would make it 
>>work for now, it would propably still be an ongoing effort with every new 
>>release of the jdk for linux. Or at least that's what I'm afraid of.
> 
> 
> Oh sure, having the native HotSpot is much prefereable to having Linux
> HotSpot -- *BUT* keep in mind that Linux HotSpot is maintained by SUN,
> and therefore is available WAY EARLIER with every JDK release.
> 
> I think that now that green threads are gone from JDK 1.4+, it is even
> more important that we are able to run the Linux HotSpot. Otherwise we
> would always have this one-year (or so) gap between the Linux release
> date of a new JDK and the FreeBSD availability date.
> 
> I'm not saying that the FreeBSD porting is too slow when it takes one
> year, this time lag is the sum of several factors.  However fast we are
> in porting, we will have to wait for SUNs source release of a new JDK,
> and that's usually quite a bit after the first binary releases, or isn't
> it?
> 

I believe they were a bit faster with the jdk 1.4.0 sources, but I think there 
is still no access to the jdk 1.3.1_02+ sources, or is there?

So sure, you're right, and I would be very happy to be able to use the Linux 
hotspot stuff right now.

But shouldn't we be able to get 1.4.x (and hopefully 1.5.x and further) ported 
much faster, once the really hard stuff (hotspot, initial 1.3.x port) is done?
Or do you expect significant internal development to the jvm?

Regards,
Marc.
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Hi Bill & all,

> Also, all further HotSpot development I do will be on
> -current if folks don't know this by now. I'm open
> to suggestion for and against it.

I know, my reaction is a bit late, but anyway:

I think it's wise that you focus on HotSpot self and not on -STABLE support 
just yet. Just let somebody else figure that out, it draws too much 
attention and energy away from HotSpot development. If libc_r gets 
backported then it should be a relatively small effort to make HotSpot 
available on -stable.

Question is: Is there any chance that libc_r get backported to -stable?

Ernst

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I'm having trouble running tomcat 4.0.4 (I tried 4.0.3 as well) under the 
latest build of stable, in the tomcat error log I get the following message 
with tomcat refusing to start:

/usr/local/linux-jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/green_threads/java: error in loading shared 
libraries: libhpi.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory

I've tried this on a few hosts and got the same results.

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Yes, I've seen that as well. There is some kind of problem with loading
the shared libarary when you run as nobody, or as www.

I have written a simple SUID wrapper which sets the the uid/gid and then
execs tomcat--that works.  If instead of my wrapper I use su(8), I get
the same error as you do.

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Am Fr, 2002-07-12 um 18.40 schrieb Paul Dlug:
> I'm having trouble running tomcat 4.0.4 (I tried 4.0.3 as well) under the 
> latest build of stable, in the tomcat error log I get the following message 
> with tomcat refusing to start:
> 
> /usr/local/linux-jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/green_threads/java: error in loading shared 
> libraries: libhpi.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
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> 
> I've tried this on a few hosts and got the same results.
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I am having no problems with tomcat 4.0.3 under -stable with linux jdk
1.4.0.01

www    15727  0.0  9.4 239080 97912  ??  I    12:10PM   0:01.27
/usr/local/linux-jdk1.4.0.01/bin/java -Djava.endorsed.dirs=/usr/loca

i excute it from a script with the following line.

su -f -m www -c "exec /usr/local/tomcat/bin/catalina.sh start"

The only gotcha i had was to make sure that the www was the owner of all the
tomcat dirs.

let me know if there is anything i can do to assist you all to get it
working properly

(Off topic. FYI i have also been able to make Jrun 4.0 for linux run under
freebsd -stable and the latest native jdk 1.3.1 its VERY nice)

thanks

Jeremy Suo-Anttila
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Yes, I've seen that as well. There is some kind of problem with loading
the shared libarary when you run as nobody, or as www.

I have written a simple SUID wrapper which sets the the uid/gid and then
execs tomcat--that works.  If instead of my wrapper I use su(8), I get
the same error as you do.

--
Regards,
Georg.

Am Fr, 2002-07-12 um 18.40 schrieb Paul Dlug:
> I'm having trouble running tomcat 4.0.4 (I tried 4.0.3 as well) under the
> latest build of stable, in the tomcat error log I get the following
message
> with tomcat refusing to start:
>
> /usr/local/linux-jdk1.3.1/bin/i386/green_threads/java: error in loading
shared
> libraries: libhpi.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory
>
> I've tried this on a few hosts and got the same results.
>
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I gave this a go patching both sched_getscheduler and sched_getparam on 
-STABLE...

The result: jdk1.4 works well on non-root account (tested running Java2D 
demo and SwingSet2)

Thanks!

Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:07:48PM -0700, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

<snip>

> 
> Not hard at all.  The perms in sched_getscheduler in -stable are silly.
> (also sched_getparam).  Just try changing it to something like the patch
> below (note that I don't have a stable system at the moment, so I don't
> guarantee it works, nor that it even compiles -- take it as a guide only).

<snip>

-- 
Antony T Curtis BSc     Unix Analyst Programmer
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When i try to compile Openoffice 1.0
my instalation stops when compiling port jdk13
My output looks like:

g++ -Wall -Wno-unused -Wconversion  -c -I/usr/local/include -O
-D_GNU_SOURCE -DXP_UNIX  -DVERSION="\"1.3.1-p6-kwiatek-020712-17:22\""
-DDATE="\"Jul-12-2002\"" -DARCH="\"i386\"" -DRAPTOR_API
-DNEW_STREAMING_API -I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/nspr
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/xpcom
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/caps
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/js
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/raptor
-I../../tmp/bsd/i386/CClassHeaders
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/oji
-I../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/plugin
-I../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common -I../../oji-plugin/src/motif/navig4
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../oji-plugin/src/motif/badapter
-I../../../../src/share/javavm/export
-I../../../../src/solaris/javavm/export -I/usr/X11R6/include  -o
../../tmp/bsd/i386/GetFactory.o
../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/GetFactory.cpp
In file included from
../../oji-plugin/include/solaris/navig4/oji/nsIJVMPlugin.h:34,
                 from
../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/JavaPluginFactory.h:34,
                 from ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/GetFactory.cpp:55:
/usr/local/include/jni.h:17:31: gcj/libgcj-config.h: No such file or
directory
../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/GetFactory.cpp: In function `nsresult
   JPI_NSGetFactory(nsISupports*, const nsCID&, const char*, const char*,
   nsIFactory**)':
../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/GetFactory.cpp:156: warning: cast from
   pointer to integer of different size
../../oji-plugin/src/motif/common/GetFactory.cpp:156: warning: cast to
pointer
   from integer of different size
gmake[1]: *** [../../tmp/bsd/i386/GetFactory.o] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/system/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris'
gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1
*** Error code 2A

My gcc is 3.1 installed from ports:

Reading specs from
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.0/3.1.1/specs
Configured with: ./..//gcc-20020701/configure --disable-nls --with-gnu-as
--with-gnu-ld
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-portbld-freebsd5.0/3.1.1/include/g++
--disable-libgcj --disable-shared --prefix=/usr/local
i386-portbld-freebsd5.0
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.1.1 20020701 (prerelease) [FreeBSD]



Have got any idea ??

Greetings
Kwiatek


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I tried to do that with OpenBSD one year ago.
There was many problems. the two more important are:

1) OpenBSD/NetBSD and Linux uses a different
value for AF_INET6, and, the emulation layer was not doing
the syscall translation. FreeBSD may have the same problem.
 From a NetBSD PR from itojun:

	sys/compat/linux/linux_socket.c does not try to rewrite sa_family
	in sockaddr args to various syscalls that take sockaddr
	(connect, bind, sendto...).  therefore, when LINUX_AF_xx differs
	from AF_xx, linux emulation won't work.  {LINUX_,}AF_INET6 is
	an example.

2) JDK 1.4.0 on Linux try to read a file in /proc/sys/net/interface
or something like that (use truss, I don't remember) to decide if there
are IPv6-enabled interfaces on the host, and to decide whether or not
enabling IPv6 support. This is easy to cheat-around: just copy this
proc file from a linux system and put it under /emul/linux/proc...

Cedric







Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

>Has anyone gotten IPv6 working in Java on FreeBSD?  Naturally, Java only 
>started supporting IPv6 in 1.4.  Unfortunately, IPv6 doesn't seem to work 
>under linux-jdk-1.4.0.
>
>Thanks,
>-jj
>
>  
>




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