From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 3 1:55:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8C137B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA3043E77 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.252.56.169]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021103095544.SWDJ459.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:55:44 +0000 Received: from lfarr (host-194.bka.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.10.194]) by pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA39sudX039009 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:54:56 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Subject: Disconnect and Reconnects using Hostap Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Im running: 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #4: Wed Oct 16 20:54:37 BST 2002 with: wi0: mem 0xffbef000-0xffbeffff irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 wi0: 802.11 address: 00:05:5d:ee:23:57 wi0: using RF:PRISM2.5 MAC:ISL3874A(Mini-PCI) wi0: Intersil Firmware: Primary 1.00.05, Station 1.03.04 Being set up with: ifconfig_wi0="inet 192.168.10.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 mediaopt hostap ssid gate channel 3" That works flawlessly, until a connected machine is idle network wise for a few minutes. The client machine disconnects and then immediately reconnects to the hostap box. Same machines don't do this on a "real" access point. Any ideas anyone? Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 3 11:37:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C3D37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FD343E75 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 188QYq-00009H-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:37:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:37:28 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: FreeBSD Mobile Subject: an driver and promisc mode ? Message-ID: <20021103193728.GD29465@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mobile Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've used promisc mode with a cisco aironet card before with no problems, but two of us here are having problems with 4.7-STABLE (mine is from Thu Oct 17, the other ~ Oct 25th). As soon as anything puts the interface in promisc mode we lose association and have to take hte interface down and bring it back up again to regain association. This could be something at the base station end but it's odd enough that it puzzles me ... Anone seen similar problems ? pir@disapp# ancontrol -S | fgrep Opera Operating mode: [ configured MAC ON RX ON synced associated ] pir@disapp# dsniff dsniff: listening on an0 ^Cpir@disapp# ancontrol -S | fgrep Opera Operating mode: [ configured MAC ON RX ON ] pir@disapp# ifconfig an0 down; ifconfig an0 up pir@disapp# ancontrol -S | fgrep Opera Operating mode: [ configured MAC ON RX ON synced associated ] P. -- pir pir-sig@pir.net pir-sig@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 3 15: 2:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B320937B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971D043E75 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA3N1vpk079129; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:01:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:00:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disconnect and Reconnects using Hostap From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> References: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> "Lawrence Farr" writes: : That works flawlessly, until a connected machine is idle network : wise for a few minutes. The client machine disconnects and then : immediately reconnects to the hostap box. Same machines don't do : this on a "real" access point. Any ideas anyone? That's how hostap is implemented now. After you've been idle for a while, you are kicked off to avoid tables in the kernel growning w/o bound. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 3 15:10:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD22F37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96343E42 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA3NAopk079250; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:09:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021103.160939.17267401.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disconnect and Reconnects using Hostap From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> "M. Warner Losh" writes: : In message: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> : "Lawrence Farr" writes: : : That works flawlessly, until a connected machine is idle network : : wise for a few minutes. The client machine disconnects and then : : immediately reconnects to the hostap box. Same machines don't do : : this on a "real" access point. Any ideas anyone? : : That's how hostap is implemented now. After you've been idle for a : while, you are kicked off to avoid tables in the kernel growning w/o : bound. If that's a big problem for you, I'd accept patches to make it not do that, or to greatly increase the idle time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Nov 3 18: 6:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6648B37B401 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA6943E6E for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com) Received: from BAYSHORE_GSMITH freebsd_mail@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [63.195.114.87] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.14 $ on Novell NetWare; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:06:31 -0700 Message-ID: <200211031806270669.9CCCC342@smtp.myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> <20021103.160046.34602778.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:06:27 -0800 Reply-To: freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com From: "Greg Smith" To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disconnect and Reconnects using Hostap Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner, I have a Cisco 340 AP set up for my neighborhood to use. It seems to let clients stay associated as long as they are within range, even if idle. It has never blown up due to too many associations, since it seems to drop clients after they go out of range. And surely it has less RAM than most of the machines running hostap. I'm no wireless rocket scientist, but I thought that was the intention of 802.11b - that chit-chat between AP and client would confirm that the client was still nearby. Why doesn't hostap do that? It would seem that forcing clients to reconnect might also defeat some of the power saving benefits of infrastructure (non-adhoc) networks. Greg -----Original Message----- >In message: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> > "Lawrence Farr" writes: >: That works flawlessly, until a connected machine is idle network >: wise for a few minutes. The client machine disconnects and then >: immediately reconnects to the hostap box. Same machines don't do >: this on a "real" access point. Any ideas anyone? > >That's how hostap is implemented now. After you've been idle for a >while, you are kicked off to avoid tables in the kernel growning w/o >bound. > >Warner > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 4 10:36: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E530B37B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bam.katlar.com (host.katlar.com [206.80.108.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4654543E6E for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larryw@katlar.com) Received: from katlar.com (localhost.katlar.com [127.0.0.1]) by bam.katlar.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA4IZk2q029423 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larryw@katlar.com) Received: from 66.150.9.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user larryw) by new.host.name with HTTP; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38851.66.150.9.2.1036434946.squirrel@new.host.name> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Solved PCMCIA/Wireless freezes and/or disconnects From: "Lawrence Wickline" To: In-Reply-To: <34812.66.150.9.2.1035842430.squirrel@new.host.name> References: <34812.66.150.9.2.1035842430.squirrel@new.host.name> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Reply-To: larryw@katlar.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The problem ended up being an access point that died at the same time I did the install of BSD. Replaced the access point with a new on and everything works fine. > I am having some problems with my wireless connection disconnecting me > from the > network. first the gory details. > I am using a dell Inspiron 8200 running KDE3 on 4.7-p1. My NIC is a > Lynksys WPC11 > version 2.5 and my access point is a Belkin gateway/firewall/hub. > > What happens is after the card is initialized everything works fine. It > does take a > few seconds for the card to be found and loaded but it does come on ok > and work. In > my pccard.conf file I call a script that executes the various wicontrol > commands to > set key and net.... > > Now after the card has been up for about 5 minutes I stop being able to > make new > connections. I have noticed that applications that were started > immediately after > the card comes up stay connected. like if i open a ssh connection it > will continue > to work and if I fire up Netscape and continually click on links it will > still work. > But if I actual stop and read a page for more than a few minutes > Netscape stops > being able to open up a new connection. > > I always can connect to the access point but I figure that is because > the connection > is always in use. But I cant connect beyond. > > If I rerun the configuration script I call in pccard.conf the problem > goes away for > about 5 mins before appearing again. > > last thing is the card works fine in windows on the same hardware. This > has to be a > BSD thing. > > Does anyone have any idea why this is going on or have a fix? This is > pretty much > the last hurdle I have to getting fully on BSD on my laptop. (minus > getting DVD to > play well:)) > > PS. It does also take several (10-15) seconds for the OS to detect the > card has been > removed. I did find this as a problem that had been reported to this > mailing list > previously. Is it possible these problems are related? > > > Thanks, > Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 4 18:51:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750E437B4A2 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from w2xo.jcdurham.com (18.gibs5.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.184.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F5143E7B for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:51:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durham@jcdurham.com) Received: from jimslaptop.jcdurham.com (jimslaptop.jcdurham.com [192.168.5.14]) by w2xo.jcdurham.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA52pQo30636 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 02:51:27 GMT (envelope-from durham@jcdurham.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jim Durham Organization: JC Durham Consulting To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 3C574 won't work on 4.7-Stable Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:51:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211042151.24830.durham@jcdurham.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I bought a 3C574 3COM 16 bit card for my dell 4000 laptop that is listed=20 in the pccard.conf file and is a 16 bit card to replace my D-Link DFE=20 530 (that was needed elsewhere). Here's what I get when I plug it in: jimslaptop pccardd[65]: driver allocation failed for 3Com(3C574-TX Fast=20 EtherLink PC Card): Device not configured. I didn't see any references to problems with this card on google=20 searches, etc. I used to see messages like that back in the 4.0 and 4.1=20 days, but it was always interrupts or i/o address conflicts. Should I be forcing the i/o address by entering it in the pccard.conf file? I'm running 4.7-Stable. Any ideas? -Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Nov 4 21:57:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA15537B401 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0E143E42 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA55vSpk088566; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:57:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:56:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021104.225639.112717696.imp@bsdimp.com> To: durham@jcdurham.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3C574 won't work on 4.7-Stable From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200211042151.24830.durham@jcdurham.com> References: <200211042151.24830.durham@jcdurham.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <200211042151.24830.durham@jcdurham.com> Jim Durham writes: : I bought a 3C574 3COM 16 bit card for my dell 4000 laptop that is listed : in the pccard.conf file and is a 16 bit card to replace my D-Link DFE : 530 (that was needed elsewhere). Here's what I get when I plug it in: : : jimslaptop pccardd[65]: driver allocation failed for 3Com(3C574-TX Fast : EtherLink PC Card): Device not configured. : : I didn't see any references to problems with this card on google : searches, etc. I used to see messages like that back in the 4.0 and 4.1 : days, but it was always interrupts or i/o address conflicts. : : Should I be forcing the i/o address by entering it in the pccard.conf : file? Yes. : I'm running 4.7-Stable. : : Any ideas? I'd make sure that you are specifying IRQs that are free in /etc/pccard.conf if you are using ISA interrupts. Make sure that the address range for I/O ports you specify is not used by other devices. Driver allocation failure usually means that we couldn't reserve the resources for this device. I've used this card recently on -current, but not on -stable or with OLDCARD. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 6:47:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE837B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5F243E7B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-200-026.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.200.26] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1894zF-0003XV-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:47:26 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7E31310C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADE431310B; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Harding To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Laptop 'short list'? Message-Id: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean - installs - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know if suspend to disk is supported) - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because of a small screen or keyboard. Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look at laptops. Any good deals out there? Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. Thanks! - Mike H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 8: 3:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BD637B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from andromeda.68k.org (callisto.teisoft.com [12.109.66.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5232043E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ayn@AndrewNg.com) Received: from localhost (ayn@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andromeda.68k.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6Woody) with ESMTP id gA5G4fgJ009812; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:04:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: Andrew Y Ng To: Mike Harding Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-CXtb04c/MPSfdalnw1f7" Organization: AndrewNg.com Message-Id: <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.90 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Nov 2002 10:03:35 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-CXtb04c/MPSfdalnw1f7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just setup FreeBSD on my Fujitsu E6550, I've pretty much gotten everything to work besides USB printing. I can play DVD, wireless works (the disconnect/reconnect problem doesn't really bother me), power management with APM works way better than Windows. My ATI video card works well with the "ati" XFree server. I bought mine from Fuji's online outlet, paid less than $1k for it about a year and a half ago. If I were to buy a notebook now I'd probably get an iBook though. =3D) --Andrew On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 08:47, Mike Harding wrote: > I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll > probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into > on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: >=20 > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean > - installs > - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know > if suspend to disk is supported) > - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? > - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that > I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops > seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because > of a small screen or keyboard. >=20 > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > at laptops. Any good deals out there? >=20 > Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I > will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > - Mike H. >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message --=20 andrew y ng http://andrewng.com fingerprint : 46a1 29ff 893a 0381 dc81 1e1e bed8 e882 9bfc 594c --=-CXtb04c/MPSfdalnw1f7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEABECAAYFAj3H69cACgkQvtjogpv8WUyKFwCgnVDu6g3IUSzOTc2W82XLpaQ3 U3gAnRSaEiPmJ/+UdGMXndghuJSNhI3E =fYML -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-CXtb04c/MPSfdalnw1f7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 8:21:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA98537B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9658C43E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.196.6.33]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5400GMO2SJ6I@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:21:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:23:28 -0800 From: richard childers Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? To: Andrew Y Ng Cc: Mike Harding , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=freebsd+%2Bhardware+%2Blaptop http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/11/02/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html (this looks good) ... etc. > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > > at laptops. Any good deals out there? pricewatch.com -- richard -- Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 9: 6:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A44737B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835543E42 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-202-113.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.202.113] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18979l-0000t4-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:06:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16C713145; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7B1313D; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: Mike Harding Reply-To: mvh@welkyn.com To: richard childers Cc: Andrew Y Ng , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 05 Nov 2002 09:06:14 -0800 Message-Id: <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did check _all_ of these references, richard, I'm not lazy. The laptop compatibility guide hasn't been updated in over a year. Google just pulls up pages of problems that people have with a particular laptop. Pricewatch has a lousy interface, and is only useful once you know the exact model you want! It's frustrating even looking for a video card on pricewatch! On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 08:23, richard childers wrote: > > > > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=freebsd+%2Bhardware+%2Blaptop > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/11/02/Big_Scary_Daemons.html > http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html (this looks good) > > ... etc. > > > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > > > at laptops. Any good deals out there? > > pricewatch.com > > -- richard > > -- > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 9:10:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D6337B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lerlaptop.iadfw.net (lerlaptop.iadfw.net [206.66.13.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A2A43E4A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerlaptop.iadfw.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5H9jXY000638; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:09:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: Larry Rosenman To: mvh@welkyn.com Cc: richard childers , Andrew Y Ng , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 05 Nov 2002 11:09:45 -0600 Message-Id: <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:06, Mike Harding wrote: > I did check _all_ of these references, richard, I'm not lazy. The > laptop compatibility guide hasn't been updated in over a year. Google > just pulls up pages of problems that people have with a particular > laptop. > > Pricewatch has a lousy interface, and is only useful once you know the > exact model you want! It's frustrating even looking for a video card on > pricewatch! I'm using a Fujitsu C-6651 (bought at Fry's in March). Works great (neeeded CVS X for the I830). > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 08:23, richard childers wrote: > > > > > > > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=freebsd+%2Bhardware+%2Blaptop > > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/11/02/Big_Scary_Daemons.html > > http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html (this looks good) > > > > ... etc. > > > > > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > > > > at laptops. Any good deals out there? > > > > pricewatch.com > > > > -- richard > > > > -- > > > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 9:15:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B751537B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.multi-ad.com (mail1.multi-ad.com [207.56.32.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD043E4A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmcmichael@multiad.com) Received: from trmbsd.multiad.com ([207.56.32.243]) by mail1.multi-ad.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H5459T00.V0N; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:15:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: "Ty McMichael" Reply-To: tmcmichael@multiad.com To: Larry Rosenman Cc: mvh@welkyn.com, richard childers , Andrew Y Ng , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 05 Nov 2002 11:08:24 -0600 Message-Id: <1036516104.922.48.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using a Dell Latitude 800, works great. I have found ample support for Dell/*nix on several web sites. On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:09, Larry Rosenman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:06, Mike Harding wrote: > > I did check _all_ of these references, richard, I'm not lazy. The > > laptop compatibility guide hasn't been updated in over a year. Google > > just pulls up pages of problems that people have with a particular > > laptop. > > > > Pricewatch has a lousy interface, and is only useful once you know the > > exact model you want! It's frustrating even looking for a video card on > > pricewatch! > I'm using a Fujitsu C-6651 (bought at Fry's in March). > > Works great (neeeded CVS X for the I830). > > > > > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 08:23, richard childers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=freebsd+%2Bhardware+%2Blaptop > > > > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/11/02/Big_Scary_Daemons.html > > > http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html (this looks good) > > > > > > ... etc. > > > > > > > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > > > > > at laptops. Any good deals out there? > > > > > > pricewatch.com > > > > > > -- richard > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator > > > "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > -- > Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler > Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org > US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Ty R. McMichael, Senior Vice President Information Technology MultiAd Services 309-690-5805 Fax: 309-692-6566 tmcmichael@multiad.com http://www.multiad.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 9:52:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3433537B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7539B43E75 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP id MUA74016; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:52:34 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 971C15D04; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:52:33 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Harding Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:47:19 PST." <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:52:33 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20021105175233.971C15D04@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Mike Harding > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 06:47:19 -0800 (PST) > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > > I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll > probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into > on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean > - installs > - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know > if suspend to disk is supported) > - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? > - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that > I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops > seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because > of a small screen or keyboard. > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > at laptops. Any good deals out there? > > Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I > will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. My group just bought new laptops late last summer. We decided that we wanted two spindle systems with hi-res displays and as light as possible. We selected IBM T30s with 14.1 inch 1400x1050 displays and built-in wireless and 10/100 Ethernet. (They have BlueTooth, too, but I have no use for it.) It's very fast. I love the box, even if it's not very sexy looking. It is blazingly fast with a 1.8 GHz CPU and good I/O so that I have done a 4.7 buildworld in under 25 minutes. (Very few tests of overall system performance are really more diverse than a buildworld.) And, at 4.5 pounds, it's not too heavy. APM support is good with V4. I'll have to try current on it some day to see how well the ACPI stuff works. If you create a hibernate partition it will hibernate, suspend and resume. Power management stuff (like performance, screen brightness, and disk spin-down all work. The wireless card I have (Intel branded, but actually Intersil) works with the wi driver with no tweaks. Likewise the Intel 10/100 card (fxp). You can also get the Cisco WI-Fi card, but I have no experience with it. Sound worked with minimal kernel set-up. X setup was easy using the -config option to the X server to create an initial configuration. There is a bug in the ATI/Radeon driver in 4.2.1 which causes come clipping problems that can be fixed by using the CVS drivers. This applies to ANY laptop with a Radeon card. CD/DVD seem to work fine. I have played movies and audio as well al installing FreeBSD from CD and burning ISO 9660 disks. I am looking forward to support for UDF in current so I can do packet operations, but writing UDF is not even in current yet. (This is a universal problem for FreeBSD.) And it's FAST! Problems: 1. The modem in the new Agre WinModem which still lacks a driver. I understand that support is being worked on, but I have no idea when it will arrive. It seems that almost all new laptops are coming with this WinModem, so I expect that someone will get it working before long, almost certainly by building shims to the Agre supplied Linux driver. 2. BIOS settings can be partly accomplished at boot-up time, but many most options must be set up using the IBM PS2 utility which requires Windows, DOS, or a bootable floppy. (And the T30 does not have a floppy and requires a port replicator to plug one in.) 3. The display and BIOS are not a very happy match. The drivers in Windows and APM seem to interact in some manner to make things work cleanly and I am hoping for IBM to fix BIOS so the OS need not get involved. If the display is turned off, it will not re-sync when turned back on. IT can be synced by switching to a text screen (CRTL-ALT-F2) before turning off. If it has turned off in graphics mode, switch to text mode and use to turn the display off. Press ,Shift> to turn the display on and go back to graphics mode (. The latter problem is the most annoying and the one I'd most like to see fixed, but it may be a while as IBM has to do it. Linux has made tweaks to the APM code to work around it and I am looking at ways to do the same thing in FreeBSD, but the APM code is VERY different and the Linux code is far more complex, so I may not succeed. Still, I am very happy with the box. (Did I mention that it is FAST?) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 10: 4: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40B237B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from alvin.unc.edu.ar (alvin.unc.edu.ar [170.210.248.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF01343E3B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meschoyez@gtwing.efn.uncor.edu) Received: from gtwing.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alvin.unc.edu.ar (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5I3pj00535 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:03:51 -0300 Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gtwing.efn.uncor.edu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id gA5I7ef26447 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:07:40 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01294 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:08:38 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:08:37 -0300 (ART) From: Maxi X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? In-Reply-To: <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using an Acer TravelMate 507DX with FBSD 4.6. XFree86 didn't report problems and works fine. Touchpad works as a PS/2 mouse, so no problems. PC-Card isn't supported yet for -RELEASE, but it works perfectly with Lucent and Avaya 802.11 cards. With APM, I have some misconfiguration that I didn't check (I couldn't put in sleep mode). Sound is not working (panics the kernel) and I couldn't test the modem because is broken. Hope that 5.0 will solve some of my problems... Regards, o M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 13:53:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A746F37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4128443E6E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pdb2@u.washington.edu) Received: from u.washington.edu ([12.231.115.57]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021105214729.EDLQ10573.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@u.washington.edu> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3DC83C70.9020900@u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:47:28 -0800 From: paul beard Organization: University of Washington User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021101 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: another suspend/resume anomaly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On my ThinkPAd A20m, the machine will sometimes suspend when I remove the AC power connector. Not always, just sometimes. When it does, I get the klaptop warning popup that tells me the battery is low and offering me the chance to continue or suspend: but it lies. The battery is not low and the machine proceeds to suspend immediately. I still have the problem of the sound chip not being accessible after a suspend/resume cycle. Anyone else seen this or have any suggestions? Any other information I can provide? -- Paul Beard / 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 / paulbeard [at] mac [ dot] com / 206 529 8400 weblog @ We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 15:27:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62C937B401; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (dhcp.looksmart.com.au [210.9.52.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E6243E42; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sarge@snsonline.net) Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA5NRgWd001413; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:27:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sarge@snsonline.net) Received: (from sarge@localhost) by xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA5NRedh001412; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:27:40 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net: sarge set sender to sarge@snsonline.net using -f Subject: Panic on resume from suspend with ATAPICAM. From: Mark Sergeant Reply-To: msergeant@snsonline.net To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 10:27:40 +1100 Message-Id: <1036538860.751.3.camel@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following is what I receive with the latest stable sources and atapicam in my kernel. ata1: resetting devices .. ata1: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00 acd0: ATAPI 14 eb ata1-slave: ATAPI 14 eb ata1: mask=03 stat0=00 stat1=00 ata1: devices=0c ata1-slave: ATAPI identify retries exceeded acd0: success setting UDMA2 on Acer chip done Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x1 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc0148575 stack pointer = 0x10:0xc03294f4 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc03294f4 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = bio trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x30 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc023c6ec stack pointer = 0x10:0xc0329310 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc0329318 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = bio trap number = 12 panic: page fault Uptime: 45s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort This happens after an "apm -z" and the resuming. Without the atapicam in my kernel suspend and resume works fine. Cheers, -- Mark Sergeant SNSOnline Technical Services .:E - msergeant@snsonline.net .:P - +61 (0) 4127 14263 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 16:32:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FFA37B404; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dominion.1my.net (dominion.1my.net [202.56.152.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E0443E4A; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:32:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikechoo@opensos.net) Received: from lifebook ([219.93.84.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by dominion.1my.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA60WTVj027684; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:32:30 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from mikechoo@opensos.net) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:32:27 +0800 From: Michael Choo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60) Personal Reply-To: Michael Choo Organization: OpenSOS Sdn Bhd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1338967582.20021106083227@opensos.net> To: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Harding Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? In-Reply-To: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Mike, MH> I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll MH> probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into MH> on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: I use a Fujitsu B-2562 Sub-notebook, my criteria was super light weight. The notebook dual boots WinXP home (bundled) and FreeBSD 4.7-Stable. As I didn't opt for the CDROM Drive and Floppy, I had to install FreeBSD via NetBoot off my FreeBSD Desktop PC. MH> - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean MH> - installs MH> - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know MH> if suspend to disk is supported) MH> - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? I've pretty much gotten everything to work except :- 1. Touch screen 2. Lucent AMR Winmodem MH> - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that MH> I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops MH> seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because MH> of a small screen or keyboard. For long sessions, i use an external keyboard + monitor. MH> Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I MH> will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. At least 256MB RAM, unfortunately the FJ B-Series only takes up to 256MB RAM. You might want to take a look at the S-6010. -- Best regards, Michael mailto:mikechoo@opensos.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 21:24:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A63C37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.au.itouchnet.net (nat2.au.itouchnet.net [144.135.23.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F06043E4A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ajthomson@optushome.com.au) Received: from nobody by mx1.au.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.36 #1) id 189HYf-0000ER-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:12:49 +1100 Received: from athomson.prv.au.itouchnet.net ([192.168.13.55]) by mx1.au.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 189HYf-0000EH-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:12:49 +1100 Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: Andrew Thomson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 15:08:52 +1100 Message-Id: <1036555732.62425.431.camel@athomson.prv.au.itouchnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Checked: Scanned for any viruses and unauthorized attachments at mx1.au.itouchnet.net X-iScan-ID: 890-1036555969-66811@mx1.au.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not chime in as well aye...! I've had total success with an IBM X24.. sub 2kg.. love it. One of my prerequisites to my laptop choice was ensuring all the peripherals worked. So far so good.. modem ethernet X audio IR apm pccard regards, ajt. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 22:18:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8456037B401 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91A543E75 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsaleh@scs.uiuc.edu) Received: from user-1120593.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.21.35] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189JWI-0006EQ-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:18:30 -0800 Received: from tsaleh by phoenix.tammer.net with local (masqmail 0.2.6) id 189JUs-0l7-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:17:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:17:02 -0800 From: Tammer Saleh To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Andrew Thomson Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Message-ID: <20021106061702.GA2882@phoenix> Mail-Followup-To: Tammer Saleh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrew Thomson References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> <1036515974.615.1.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036516195.412.5.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net> <1036555732.62425.431.camel@athomson.prv.au.itouchnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1036555732.62425.431.camel@athomson.prv.au.itouchnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i x-gpg-fingerprint: C552 643D 5BE8 756B 0EFD BE66 00E5 8494 5BD6 BA13 x-gpg-key: http://scs.uiuc.edu/~tsaleh/cv/tsaleh.at.scs.uiuc.edu.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an Thinkpad X23 that I was running FreeBSD on -- till about a month ago. I stopped because of sporadic crashes when resuming from suspend. That, and consistant crashes when trying to use the Ultraslice dock. I have to say that I love this machine, but it didn't seem to be too happy with FreeBSD's apm support. BTW: I was not the only one to see these problems, but I have yet to find a solution. If one is posted here, I would be very happy (I'm pretty tired of linux). Other than apm and docking, everything worked like a charm. Tammer Saleh ----------- In reply to Andrew Thomson, who wrote... ----------- > Why not chime in as well aye...! >=20 > I've had total success with an IBM X24.. sub 2kg.. love it. >=20 > One of my prerequisites to my laptop choice was ensuring all the > peripherals worked. >=20 > So far so good.. >=20 > modem > ethernet > X > audio > IR > apm > pccard >=20 > regards, >=20 > ajt. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message >=20 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yLPdAOWElFvWuhMRAnvOAJ4smu9gN/VfC5GWESRTyW3vE+dIEwCfX6uS jN//SiAekL2LGorVZ0aZ/3c= =jFfL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Nov 5 22:31:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F56937B406 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877F643E7B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA66V3pk008783; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 23:30:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021105.233054.72730720.imp@bsdimp.com> To: meschoyez@efn.uncor.edu Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <3DC7F080.B2021047@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: Maxi writes: : PC-Card isn't supported yet for -RELEASE, but it works perfectly with : Lucent and Avaya 802.11 cards. I don't understand this statement. Can you clearify. Lucent and Avay are PC Cards. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 0:32:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9857E37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258F143E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com) Received: from BAYSHORE_GSMITH freebsd_mail@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [63.195.114.87] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.14 $ on Novell NetWare; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 01:32:26 -0700 Message-ID: <200211060032270656.A87AD5A0@smtp.myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:32:27 -0800 Reply-To: freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com From: "Greg Smith" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, I haven't installed FreeBSD on my current Thinkpad T23 because I am too busy at work. But I like it just as I liked my Thinkpad 600. http://www.streetprices.com/Computers/search.pl?query=2647hnu is where I check for good prices these days. Who has the best price changes by the day. http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_2647HNU is where I check the configurations of the Thinkpads. [site is 99% accurate] Substitute the model number in the URL's above. If you want a 1400x1050 T23 you probably want a model starting with 26475, 26479, 2647D, 2647H [latter two are the same as former two with Office installed; first and 3rd are Win2K, 2nd and 4th are WinXP]. If you don't know model numbers the first site has items organized by categories. HTH. Greg -----Original Message----- >I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll >probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into >on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: > >- What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean > - installs > - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know > if suspend to disk is supported) > - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? > - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that > I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops > seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because > of a small screen or keyboard. > >Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look >at laptops. Any good deals out there? > >Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I >will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. > >Thanks! > >- Mike H. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 4: 7:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3692837B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from alvin.unc.edu.ar (alvin.unc.edu.ar [170.210.248.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E406E43E4A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:07:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from meschoyez@gtwing.efn.uncor.edu) Received: from gtwing.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alvin.unc.edu.ar (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6C7GO00313 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:16 -0300 Received: from lcd.efn.uncor.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gtwing.efn.uncor.edu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id gA6CB5i18520 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:11:05 -0300 Received: from localhost (meschoyez@localhost) by lcd.efn.uncor.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02087 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:12:17 -0300 X-Authentication-Warning: lcd.efn.uncor.edu: meschoyez owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:12:17 -0300 (ART) From: Maxi X-Sender: meschoyez@lcd.efn.uncor.edu To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? In-Reply-To: <20021105.233054.72730720.imp@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -> : PC-Card isn't supported yet for -RELEASE, but it works perfectly with -> : Lucent and Avaya 802.11 cards. -> -> I don't understand this statement. Can you clearify. Lucent and Avay -> are PC Cards. Ok! That's my mistake... Lucent and Avaya are 16-bit PC-Cards and are well supported on -RELEASE. I can't use a Linksys EtherFast 10/100 (PCMPC200) because it's a 32-bit card. So, that's why I said that. Now, I'm waiting for the first release of the -CURRENT branch... Regards, o M@X To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 10:51:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BEB37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A26043E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-62-203-146.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.203.146] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189VH8-00063Z-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:51:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC66613105 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFA51313A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Laptop short list - and the winner is! From: Mike Harding Reply-To: mvh@welkyn.com To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 10:51:37 -0800 Message-Id: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks like I'll get a IBM thinkpad T30. I thank the list for the input! There were a few things that pushed it towards the T30... - It's supposed to be physically robust, for lots of travel. I have heard things about Dells, etc. have problems with the hinges. - It's has a serial port, which I occasionally need to bootstrap systems (even my desktop FreeBSD box when X locks up) I would otherwise probably get an X series. - I need to do windows stuff to support some security work. Honestly, the new Macs seem much nicer, even for the same money, and draw less power - if I didn't specifically have to support windows apps I would get the Mac. - I do some sales work with IBM, so the politics are better. Thanks again, Mike H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 11:10:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CFD37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pgh.nepinc.com (pgh.nepinc.com [66.207.129.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE8A43E4A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimd@nepinc.com) Received: from jimslaptop.pgh.nepinc.com (jimslaptop.pitt.nepinc.com [192.100.100.107]) by pgh.nepinc.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gA6JAok03819 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:10:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jimd@nepinc.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jim Durham Reply-To: jimd@nepinc.com Organization: NEP Supershooters To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:10:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <200211060032270656.A87AD5A0@smtp.myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <200211060032270656.A87AD5A0@smtp.myrealbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211061410.46796.jimd@nepinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll > >probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into > >on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: > > > >- What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean > > - installs > > - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know > > if suspend to disk is supported) > > - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? > > - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that > > I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops > > seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because > > of a small screen or keyboard. > > I'm happy with my Dell Inspiron 4000. I have KDE running, also Openoffice= ,=20 Gimp, Audacity, jpilot, etc. I can't speak about suspend or 3d. It's not = a=20 lightweight. -Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 12:33:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8108D37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from jmcm.demon.co.uk (jmcm.demon.co.uk [80.177.9.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8AA43E3B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (libretto.local [127.0.0.1]) by jmcm.demon.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6KWs8i008783 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:32:55 GMT (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:32:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Jose Marques To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! In-Reply-To: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Message-ID: <20021106203208.X5493-100000@libretto.local> X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 Nov 2002, Mike Harding wrote: > the new Macs seem much nicer, even for the same money, and draw less > power - if I didn't specifically have to support windows apps I would > get the Mac. VirtualPC? -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 12:44:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CD437B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:44:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156B843E77 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zec@tel.fer.hr) Received: from tel.fer.hr (zg06-039.dialin.iskon.hr [213.191.148.40]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id gA6KhSm21173; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:43:29 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DC97F12.45A5359F@tel.fer.hr> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 21:44:02 +0100 From: Marko Zec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mvh@welkyn.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! References: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Harding wrote: > It looks like I'll get a IBM thinkpad T30. I thank the list for the > input! There were a few things that pushed it towards the T30... > > - It's supposed to be physically robust, for lots of travel. I have > heard things about Dells, etc. have problems with the hinges. > - It's has a serial port, which I occasionally need to bootstrap systems > (even my desktop FreeBSD box when X locks up) I would otherwise > probably get an X series. I recently purchased a nice X30, together with an el cheapo USB to RS232 adapter (for something like $25 or so) for the same reasons. I love the box, it's lightweight, the battery lasts *really* around 4.5 hours, and the 12'1 display is just the right size for 1024x768 resolution. If only RS232 port is an issue, buy an adapter and go with X30. Marko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 14:58:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3080537B404 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C10443E42 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 089103 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:58:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC99B6A.AC33D961@pythonemproject.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:44:58 -0800 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! References: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> <3DC97F12.45A5359F@tel.fer.hr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you don't care about size and weight, the Dell 8200 is a winner. 2Ghz P4, 500meg DDR, 5400rpm HD. It kicks ass! Rob. Zec wrote: > > Mike Harding wrote: > > > It looks like I'll get a IBM thinkpad T30. I thank the list for the > > input! There were a few things that pushed it towards the T30... > > > > - It's supposed to be physically robust, for lots of travel. I have > > heard things about Dells, etc. have problems with the hinges. > > - It's has a serial port, which I occasionally need to bootstrap systems > > (even my desktop FreeBSD box when X locks up) I would otherwise > > probably get an X series. > > I recently purchased a nice X30, together with an el cheapo USB to RS232 > adapter (for something like $25 or so) for the same reasons. I love the box, > it's lightweight, the battery lasts *really* around 4.5 hours, and the 12'1 > display is just the right size for 1024x768 resolution. If only RS232 port > is an issue, buy an adapter and go with X30. > > Marko > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Nov 6 16:12:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C40B37B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from andromeda.68k.org (callisto.teisoft.com [12.109.66.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E26C43E42 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ayn@AndrewNg.com) Received: from localhost (ayn@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andromeda.68k.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6Woody) with ESMTP id gA70DGnE009127; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:13:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! From: Andrew Y Ng To: Jose Marques Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20021106203208.X5493-100000@libretto.local> References: <20021106203208.X5493-100000@libretto.local> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-XILZS2SMD4UygunPaEF5" Organization: AndrewNg.com Message-Id: <1036627929.4503.2.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.90 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Nov 2002 18:12:09 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-XILZS2SMD4UygunPaEF5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 14:32, Jose Marques wrote: > On 6 Nov 2002, Mike Harding wrote: >=20 > > the new Macs seem much nicer, even for the same money, and draw less > > power - if I didn't specifically have to support windows apps I would > > get the Mac. >=20 > VirtualPC? yup, an iBook or PowerBook (if the $ isn't a problem) with Virtual PC would be the way to go. My girlfriend has an iBook with Jaguar and that was what prompted me to get rid of Windows totally on my laptop. *anything* is better than Windows. I ran NetBSD for 4 years back in school and I must say I was impressed how things improved in the open source world in the 2 years I had Windows (too lazy to install something else)... Amazon actually just lowered their price for the iBook to some amazingly low price, hard to resist... =3D) --=20 andrew y ng http://andrewng.com fingerprint : 46a1 29ff 893a 0381 dc81 1e1e bed8 e882 9bfc 594c --=-XILZS2SMD4UygunPaEF5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEABECAAYFAj3Jr9kACgkQvtjogpv8WUyitwCfdO0hQVwDwogCt1GIhJEqUsxQ IDkAoI0eSejX0jWE9Hdg9tX5LhZ/hZM2 =gA0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-XILZS2SMD4UygunPaEF5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 3:28:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E7537B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 03:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (outside.albsmeier.net [212.125.105.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C7343E7B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 03:28:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7BRtxn022066; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:27:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id gA7BRo8d022065; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:27:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (schlappy.albsmeier.net [127.0.0.1]) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6EKG8E000858; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:20:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@schlappy.albsmeier.net) Received: (from andre@localhost) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6EKGCj000857; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:20:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:20:16 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Andrew Y Ng Cc: Mike Harding , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Message-ID: <20021106152016.A807@schlappy.albsmeier.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com>; from ayn@AndrewNg.com on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:03:35AM -0600 X-Echelon: White House, 777, president, Encryption, Nuclear Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 05-Nov-2002 at 10:03:35 -0600, Andrew Y Ng wrote: > I just setup FreeBSD on my Fujitsu E6550, I've pretty much gotten > everything to work besides USB printing. I can play DVD, wireless works > (the disconnect/reconnect problem doesn't really bother me), power > management with APM works way better than Windows. My ATI video card > works well with the "ati" XFree server. I have a Fujitsu E-6595 here and apm fails. I have it in the kernel and started apmd. When I do an apm -Z, it does nothing. An apm -z really seems to suspend it and when I press the button it tries to come back but freezes. I have to reset it with the typical fsck stuff being run later. However, I didn't dig into this a lot so far... Another thing is, that I don't have the button-press function on the touchpad. Under Windoze, I can hit the touchpad with the finger and it behaves like a click on the left button. Under X this doesn't work. Maybe it is only some option missing in the X11 config... Of course, the crappy internal modem is useless under FreeBSD. Apart from that, I am quite happy with this thing. When using an additional battery instead of the CDROM, I can get 5.5 hours of operation (if the CPU is idle most of the time). This is not as much as the 8 hours my old Fujitsu 510AGP did but it is ok. One note here: The E-6595 got a rather power intensive backlight. The operating current drops from 1,23A to 0,89A when the backlight is switched full bright to the darkest mode. -Andre > > I bought mine from Fuji's online outlet, paid less than $1k for it about > a year and a half ago. If I were to buy a notebook now I'd probably get > an iBook though. =) > > --Andrew > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 08:47, Mike Harding wrote: > > I don't currently have a laptop, but I need to get one soon. I'll > > probably be running XP/FreeBSD dual boot. I haven't found much into > > on the web, sorry about bothering the list. Had a few questions: > > > > - What are some good laptops for FreeBSD? By this I mean > > - installs > > - suspend and resume work (or whatever power functions, I don't know > > if suspend to disk is supported) > > - 3d Video is supported (maybe) meaning non-nvidia, right? > > - The ultra-lightweights have some appeal to me, I don't know that > > I'm looking to replace my desktop, so the really small laptops > > seem nice, unless they're not usable for extended periods because > > of a small screen or keyboard. > > > > Any stores that have good stock? I haven't really been able to look > > at laptops. Any good deals out there? > > > > Also, how much memory should I get for XP? I know that it's a pig - I > > will be using powerpoint, but mostly just Office. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - Mike H. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > -- > andrew y ng http://andrewng.com > > fingerprint : > 46a1 29ff 893a 0381 dc81 1e1e bed8 e882 9bfc 594c > > -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 7: 7:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEDB37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from clever.eusc.inter.net (clever.eusc.inter.net [213.73.101.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6843E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:07:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plexus@snafu.de) Received: from cerberus.publity.de ([213.61.128.135] helo=snafu.de) by clever.eusc.inter.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 189oG2-0000yC-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:07:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3DCA81BD.90803@snafu.de> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:07:41 +0100 From: "Fischer, Oliver" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021101 X-Accept-Language: de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mvh@welkyn.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! References: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of my friends has got a Dell one year ago (~5000 Euro) and if I compare the quality of my 3 years old T20 and his one year old Dell, IBM wins! Bye Oliver Mike Harding wrote: > It looks like I'll get a IBM thinkpad T30. I thank the list for the > input! There were a few things that pushed it towards the T30... > > - It's supposed to be physically robust, for lots of travel. I have > heard things about Dells, etc. have problems with the hinges. > - It's has a serial port, which I occasionally need to bootstrap systems > (even my desktop FreeBSD box when X locks up) I would otherwise > probably get an X series. > - I need to do windows stuff to support some security work. Honestly, > the new Macs seem much nicer, even for the same money, and draw less > power - if I didn't specifically have to support windows apps I would > get the Mac. > - I do some sales work with IBM, so the politics are better. > > Thanks again, > > Mike H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Oliver Fischer - plexus[AT]snafu[DOT]de [de] Das Internet stammt aus dem letzten Jahrtausend! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 8: 4:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2BC37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from andromeda.68k.org (callisto.teisoft.com [12.109.66.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD0F43E4A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ayn@AndrewNg.com) Received: from localhost (ayn@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andromeda.68k.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-6Woody) with ESMTP id gA7G5TnE022793; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:05:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? From: Andrew Y Ng To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20021106152016.A807@schlappy.albsmeier.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <20021106152016.A807@schlappy.albsmeier.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/KbYX9q30hsaNz/xki0v" Organization: AndrewNg.com Message-Id: <1036684943.14587.19.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.90 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Nov 2002 10:04:22 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-/KbYX9q30hsaNz/xki0v Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 08:20, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > I have a Fujitsu E-6595 here and apm fails. I have it in the kernel > and started apmd. When I do an apm -Z, it does nothing. An apm -z > really seems to suspend it and when I press the button it tries to > come back but freezes. I have to reset it with the typical fsck stuff > being run later. However, I didn't dig into this a lot so far... I enabled apm in the kernel and turned on apmd and apm in rc.conf and that was it. It suspends just fine and comes back up way faster than Windows. I can send you my kernel configuration file and rc.conf when I get home. But try to turn on apm in rc.conf as well as apmd > Another thing is, that I don't have the button-press function on > the touchpad. Under Windoze, I can hit the touchpad with the > finger and it behaves like a click on the left button. Under X > this doesn't work. Maybe it is only some option missing in the > X11 config... I also figured this one out. in rc.conf, the mouse is configured as "auto", when in auto it doesn't do the tapping right. but if you specify "PS/2", tapping should work. Again I don't remember what the name is exactly, but I can send you my rc.conf when I get home. If you setup your X to use systemmouse, it should work. > Of course, the crappy internal modem is useless under FreeBSD. I never use it, so doesn't bother me. My Linksys wireless PCMCIA card worked out of the box, which was amazing coz I tried Debian and it wasn't supported without a lot of hacking. --=20 andrew y ng http://andrewng.com fingerprint : 46a1 29ff 893a 0381 dc81 1e1e bed8 e882 9bfc 594c --=-/KbYX9q30hsaNz/xki0v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEABECAAYFAj3Kjo8ACgkQvtjogpv8WUwmzwCg1aT7sALDVvE+m9m8DTlD5Vqt lgwAnjzknrYtaWBm3t4JIDS2lOVacFZu =wDTW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/KbYX9q30hsaNz/xki0v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 8:15:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A875A37B406 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.eu.psi.net (relay1.eu.psi.net [154.15.246.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0D343E6E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ada@dokidenki.com) Received: from [212.81.112.98] (helo=doki.helio.lan) by relay1.eu.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189pJW-0006nf-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:15:26 +0000 Received: from noplug.muetdhiver.db4 (muetdhiver.darksnow.org [80.65.225.90]) by doki.helio.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13868; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:15:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: doki.helio.lan: Host muetdhiver.darksnow.org [80.65.225.90] claimed to be noplug.muetdhiver.db4 Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! From: Adrien To: mvh@welkyn.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> References: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 17:15:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1036685721.344.8.camel@noplug> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi mike, I've got a T30, so i can confirm that it'll be a really good choice :) I only have 2 littles problems: - I've to wait the cisco aironet 350 _mini-pci_ driver. (doug ? ;)) - This damn "Ultra Bay +" doesn't look like to be "hot plug"... Don't hesitate to mail me directly if you have more specific T30 questions, it'll be a pleasure to help (if i can) ;) Have a nice day. Le Mer 06/11/2002 =E0 19:51, Mike Harding a =E9crit : > It looks like I'll get a IBM thinkpad T30. I thank the list for the > input! There were a few things that pushed it towards the T30... >=20 > - It's supposed to be physically robust, for lots of travel. I have > heard things about Dells, etc. have problems with the hinges. > - It's has a serial port, which I occasionally need to bootstrap systems > (even my desktop FreeBSD box when X locks up) I would otherwise > probably get an X series. > - I need to do windows stuff to support some security work. Honestly, > the new Macs seem much nicer, even for the same money, and draw less > power - if I didn't specifically have to support windows apps I would > get the Mac. > - I do some sales work with IBM, so the politics are better. >=20 > Thanks again, >=20 > Mike H. --=20 Adrien Auzanneau http://www.netbsd-fr.org/ gpg: C369 AFBB 3A95 4F89 1534 FE64 AB64 E069 6FD6 7F64 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 8:37:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58CF37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A89C43E7B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP id MUA74016; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:37:10 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 243FE5D06; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:37:09 -0800 (PST) To: Adrien Cc: mvh@welkyn.com, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! In-reply-to: Your message of "07 Nov 2002 17:15:18 +0100." <1036685721.344.8.camel@noplug> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:37:09 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20021107163709.243FE5D06@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Adrien > Date: 07 Nov 2002 17:15:18 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi mike, > > I've got a T30, so i can confirm that it'll be a really good choice :) > > I only have 2 littles problems: > > - I've to wait the cisco aironet 350 _mini-pci_ driver. (doug ? ;)) > - This damn "Ultra Bay +" doesn't look like to be "hot plug"... The Ultra Bay is most certainly hot-swappable, but it requires that the system send BIOS a request to disable the drive bay before you can remove any device. I suspect the code would be trivial if documentation was available on the API. IBM is very Linux friendly and has provided that sort of information in the past for Linux development. While they typically won't acknowledge the existence of FreeBSD, the information we need might be out there. Might require some munging on apm.c but should be possible from a modified atacontrol. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 9:49: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99C137B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.2010tech.net (FRCL30116355-08.pari1.eu.psigh.com [62.50.131.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A5443E77 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jacques.Caron@IPsector.com) Received: from jc-xp.ipsector.com ([62.50.159.28]) by athena.2010tech.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA3DKoGo064540; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:21:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Jacques.Caron@IPsector.com) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021103140845.0294e330@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:10:09 +0100 To: "Lawrence Farr" From: Jacques Caron Subject: Re: Disconnect and Reconnects using Hostap Cc: In-Reply-To: <001a01c2831f$2ae87f20$c20aa8c0@lfarr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, This happened to me a couple of times (station constantly disconnecting and re-associating right away), but it disappeared after the next reboot. Didn't happen since, have no idea what the cause for it was... Jacques. At 10:55 03/11/2002, Lawrence Farr wrote: >Hi, > >Im running: > >4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #4: Wed Oct 16 20:54:37 BST 2002 > >with: > >wi0: mem 0xffbef000-0xffbeffff irq 11 at device 19.0 >on pci0 >wi0: 802.11 address: 00:05:5d:ee:23:57 >wi0: using RF:PRISM2.5 MAC:ISL3874A(Mini-PCI) >wi0: Intersil Firmware: Primary 1.00.05, Station 1.03.04 > >Being set up with: > >ifconfig_wi0="inet 192.168.10.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 mediaopt hostap >ssid gate channel 3" > >That works flawlessly, until a connected machine is idle network >wise for a few minutes. The client machine disconnects and then >immediately reconnects to the hostap box. Same machines don't do >this on a "real" access point. Any ideas anyone? > >Lawrence Farr >EPC Direct Limited > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Jacques Caron, IP Sector Technologies Join the discussion on public WLAN open global roaming: http://lists.ipsector.com/listinfo/openroaming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 10:24:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D31837B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dreadnought.cnchost.com (dreadnought.cnchost.com [207.155.248.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0ED43E4A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by dreadnought.cnchost.com id NAA20180; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:24:25 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.15] Message-ID: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: using a laptop as a main machine Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:24:24 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well your current laptop meets your needs and what would you change to make it better. I realize this is a broad topic and there will be different personal preferences but I am in fact looking for different points of views. Thanks! -- bakul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 11:21:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C99F37B404 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0035D43E77 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([66.124.234.63]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5800FDF0FSZR@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:22:46 -0800 From: richard childers Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine To: Bakul Shah Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Message-id: <3DCABD86.64BCA08@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are advantages to desktops, as well as to laptops. Consider the following scenario: you spill some coffee on your keyboard and suddenly your laptop is completely useless without around $200 - $1000 of parts and a week of downtime. What are you going to do? More importantly, what could have been done differently? Suddenly, lugging a cheap $10 external keyboard around and using it - and an external mouse - doesn't seem so bad. In this scenario, you always have a backup keyboard and a backup mouse, which you almost never use. Similarly, a larger display becomes ergonomically desirable. Flat displays are wonderful for reclaiming acres of desktop that you haven't seen since 1985, if you use the same desktop regularly. A cradle allowing graceful transitioning from desktop to mobile mode becomes desirable; then you can leave your external keyboard and high-resolution display permanently plugged in. Really, a cradle at each of your terminii is best. This leads towards the question of spares. Not just a spare hard drive, but also a spare laptop. No kidding; you might find it better to skip the gigahertz model and look for someplace where you can buy two or three of last year's model for the same price (unless you need to play DVDs, watch TV, or some such). Of course, when you do this, you're set. You have multiple cradles; one at home, one at work. If you spill coffee, you buy a new keyboard for $10. If your computer gets damaged, you pull the hard drive and memory and use the chassis for your favorite purposes - educational, ballistic, or both. (-; I haven't mentioned backups, but that's where your desktop server comes in. Your desktop server can incorporate a lot of functionality that your laptop can't. RAID controllers, high capacity disk drives, tape drives and other archival devices (IE, 8mm, 4mm, DLT, Zip, etc). A robust modern desktop environment might include the following. (1) A PDA device replicating via a cable, to a laptop. (2) A laptop replicating via a network, to a desktop. (3) A desktop replicating to hard drives, via a RAID card. (4) The hard drives replicating to an offline storage device. (5) The tapes being stored with other, similar tapes offsite. Hope this is helpful in understanding how your desktop and laptop complement one another. -- richard Bakul Shah wrote: > I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with > noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS > and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops > almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through > the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly > use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do > you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model > recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well > your current laptop meets your needs and what would you > change to make it better. > > I realize this is a broad topic and there will be different > personal preferences but I am in fact looking for different > points of views. > > Thanks! > > -- bakul > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 12:34:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4957E37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (gilmore.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691E043E6E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (IDENT:JDhSJWAjjyeNOegR8g3xVoESrycAqLFp@localhost.nas.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA7KYNud002990; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tweten@nas.nasa.gov) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: tweten@nas.nasa.gov To: Bakul Shah Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine From: Dave Tweten Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:34:23 -0800 Message-ID: <2989.1036701263@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bakul@bitblocks.com said: >So some questions for people who mainly use a laptop and lug it around >everywhere: what features do you find most useful? 1. A battery that lasts a reasonable length of time. My ThinkPad X21 battery lasts almost as long as the spec says. My late NEC's battery only lasted about half as long as expected (which is to say it lasted only about a quarter the time specified). 2. All rechargable batteries rot, but they should rot slowly, and newly manufactured ones should be available. The final straw that sent my NEC to the network in the sky was the only replacement batteries I could buy when one rotted were batteries that had themselves rotted in inventory. 3. Wireless networking support for whatever system you might have available. We have 802.11b and my X21's PCCard slot lets me use an Orinoco card. 4. If you want to leave your laptop on all the time, then you need a good APM BIOS. My ThinkPad is a little disappointing in this regard. It does suspend well, but standby wedges it, and cron jobs suffer from severe slowdowns that I think have to do with CPU Idle processing. I would love to be able to bracket my cron scripts with apm commands to go fast for the duration. Warts and all, I count my switch to exclusive laptop use several months ago to be a success. Good luck on yours. -- M/S 258-5 | 1024-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center | 41 B0 89 0A 8F 94 6C 59 | (650) 604-4416 Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 | 7C 80 10 20 25 C7 2F E6 | FAX: (650) 604-4377 We each earn what freedom of speech we defend for those who most offend us. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 15:26: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940FC37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from msgbas2.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3D843E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8E8208B; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:25:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8A54FD; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_25184)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id PAA12671; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:25:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211072325.PAA12671@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: richard childers Cc: Bakul Shah , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:22:46 PST." <3DCABD86.64BCA08@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.7) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:25:46 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org richard childers wrote: > Similarly, a larger display becomes ergonomically desirable. Flat > displays are wonderful for reclaiming acres of desktop that you > haven't seen since 1985, if you use the same desktop regularly. On a related topic, note that most lower-end laptops have low-resolution screens (1024x768). The screens may be physically large, but the resolution is small. You'll have to pay a significant premium to get a laptop with a decent resolution, and it's possible that you may end up paying twice as much as a comparable desktop. Also, LCD screens aren't as good as CRTs for color reproduction. If you're doing any kind of work that needs good color reproduction, LCDs are probably not a good choice. On the plus side, the price of a laptop with an high resolution screen (e.g., 1600x1200) is pretty good compared to the prices of high-resolution LCD monitors (>1280x1024). LCD screens are also much sharper than CRT screens (in native LCD resolution). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 20:43:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B4537B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B6343E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01565; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gA84hSZo006625; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15819.16623.712241.154618@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:43:27 -0700 To: Bakul Shah Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> References: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with > noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS > and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops > almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through > the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly > use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do > you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model > recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well > your current laptop meets your needs and what would you > change to make it better. A docking station, so I can use an external mouse/keyboard/monitor when it is at home. A decent keyboard (IBM's are great) so you don't go nuts on the road. A decent sized screen so you can actually use the box without squinting on the road. Long battery life, for road trips, and so you can watch a DVD. A DVD drive, so you have something to do on the plane besides hack. If you've got the $$, the IBM Thinkpads are without peer. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Nov 7 23:18:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0DE37B401 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0B243E3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:18:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com) Received: from BAYSHORE_GSMITH freebsd_mail@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [63.195.114.87] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.14 $ on Novell NetWare; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:18:47 -0700 Message-ID: <200211072318450008.B2840B49@smtp.myrealbox.com> In-Reply-To: <1036685721.344.8.camel@noplug> References: <1036608697.93700.26.camel@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036685721.344.8.camel@noplug> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:18:45 -0800 Reply-To: freebsd_mail@myrealbox.com From: "Greg Smith" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop short list - and the winner is! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adrien, >- This damn "Ultra Bay +" doesn't look like to be "hot plug"... As Kevin mentioned, it is indeed hot swappable. Under WinXP you just tell it to shut down (unmount it), then pop it out. When you pop in the alternate drive that drive just works. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 6:26:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A3C37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com [24.93.67.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F5743E6E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bts@fake.com) Received: from mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6 [24.93.67.53]) by ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA8EPeiZ021825; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from this.is.fake.com ([24.162.238.30]) by mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:26:05 -0500 Received: by this.is.fake.com (Postfix, from userid 111) id 2E411BA12; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" To: Bakul Shah , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 References: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> In-Reply-To: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I switched to a laptop as my main (only) computer when my Amiga 1000 bit the dust in 1995 or so (I checked and my first posting to FreeBSD list was in 1996, so I think that 1995 is right since I used Linux for the first six months or so). (I've had *a* laptop since 1992ish -- a Bondwell B200.) So I have some experience with this . . . I'm surprised that nobody else has mentioned this. THE most important feature on a laptop BY FAR is a good warrenty. I insist on a three-year warrenty, which is why I buy Dells. Their service is excellent. I didnt get "on-site" service, but they pick up and deliver via Airborne Express, and if I ship it on Friday I have it back by Tuesday morning, so never without it for more than three days. I do have a desktop at work. It runs Windows and it's old an slow and the display is muddy but it will do in a pinch, so I can survive three (miserable) days without my main machine. If you use your laptop -- really use it, and I carry mine everywhere; in and back to work every day, on my lap with the wireless card outside while watching the kids play, in my car while waiting for people; I even carry it around the house with me from room to room -- then it *will* require service. If it just sits on your desk 90% of the time, maybe not. Other important features: - Display. It should be high-resolution (at least 1400x1050 at this point) and large. - Battery. It should last. My Dell i8000 does not do that well in this regard but it can take two batteries. - All the features of a desktop (CPU, memory, etc). Do not go backwards on anything no matter how tempting for other features or you are almost certain to dislike it. (Well, ok, if you have an 80G drive that's never been more than 50% full you could probably drop back on that . . .) - Weight. The i8000 is not too heavy, but the i7500 I had before was so heavy that it was really hard to lug it around everywhere. I'm really damned lucky that it got stolen so that I got a better replacement. On Thursday 07 November 2002 01:24 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: | I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with | noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS | and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops | almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through | the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly | use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do | you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model | recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well | your current laptop meets your needs and what would you | change to make it better. | | I realize this is a broad topic and there will be different | personal preferences but I am in fact looking for different | points of views. | | Thanks! | | -- bakul | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 6:59:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B576C37B404 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.2010tech.net (FRCL30116355-08.pari1.eu.psigh.com [62.50.131.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715F943E8A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jacques.Caron@IPsector.com) Received: from jc-xp.ipsector.com ([62.50.159.28]) by athena.2010tech.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8EwKWC099447; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:58:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Jacques.Caron@IPsector.com) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021108153834.02b0c2c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 15:57:41 +0100 To: Bakul Shah From: Jacques Caron Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm definitely using a laptop as my main machine (though I'm still running Windows on that one, shame on me...), simply because I like to be able to work at home, at work, or on the road, and always have the same environment, without the need for synchronisation of files and this and that and always something missing etc. The exact specs of the laptop vary quite a bit depending on what you use the laptop for, and how you "travel" with it: just back and forth between home and work, or also on the road/in trains/plains etc, in many different places, and so on. It also depends on your ability to carry something heavy :-) In my case, I really wanted a full desktop replacement, so: - most important thing, a high-resolution screen (1600x1200 is just so great), and a full-size keyboard. This eliminates all the "ultra-portable" laptops for me - a decent processor, a bit of RAM, a decent size HD - a DVD drive is useful for watching DVDs on the road :-) A combo drive allows you to backup things easily - if you use your laptop to connect to devices on the road (headless servers, routers, etc.) don't forget a serial port (apparently there are some decent USB/serial adapters now too, but I've heard about compatibility issues with FreeBSD depending on the chip used), more and more laptops don't have one - if you use it often in places without power (trains, airports...), battery life is important - an infrared port is useful for things like PDA synchronisation, connection to GSM phones, etc. Many laptops don't have one anymore! - the ability to have *built-in* (i.e. mini-PCI) WLAN is good, it avoids having a card sticking out (easy to break, or a hassle to fit in the bag...) - being able to change parts (RAM, HD...) easily is a good thing. Some laptops are just impossible to open... - a firewire port is not absolutely necessary, but it really helps for connecting external hard disks (for full partition backups, for instance) - if you use your laptop on the read (and not only at home/in the office), make sure you like the pointing device :-) I currently use a Dell Inspiron 8200 (had an 8000 before), and it has all of the above (including two batteries). Quite heavy, though, but really a fully-spec'ed machine for a decent price (equivalent config for other manufacturers are really a lot more expensive, even though they probably have their benefits). They also have a much smaller and lighter 4150 (about the same price for a similar config, though), but it does not have a firewire port, and I wanted to be able to have two batteries and the DVD drive at the same time, which is not possible on the 4150. Hope that helps, Jacques. At 19:24 07/11/2002, Bakul Shah wrote: >I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with >noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS >and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops >almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through >the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly >use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do >you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model >recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well >your current laptop meets your needs and what would you >change to make it better. > >I realize this is a broad topic and there will be different >personal preferences but I am in fact looking for different >points of views. > >Thanks! > >-- bakul > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Jacques Caron, IP Sector Technologies Join the discussion on public WLAN open global roaming: http://lists.ipsector.com/listinfo/openroaming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 7: 1:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CD737B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C6B43E3B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([66.124.232.34]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H59000GSJ2183@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:01:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 07:02:24 -0800 From: richard childers Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine To: mobile@freebsd.org Cc: Bakul Shah Message-id: <3DCBD200.F17F4127@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regarding batteries, you can't do any better than to shop around for an after-market laptop battery designed to run for 10 hours or so. That is, there are available on the market, large, flat packages approximately the sise of a laptop, that are actually large batteries. The form factor is intended to correspond to the size and shape of the laptop itself, so that the battery can be slid into the carrying case, next to the laptop itself. The battery is actually an array of smaller, flatter batteries, arranged to be as flat as can be. It is charged up normally, and then attached to the back of the computer where the power supply usually goes. The battery does not supply 120 VAC; rather, when you plug the laptop into the wall, your wall socket delivers 120 VAC to the transformer, which steps its down to, say, 9 or so volts, DC (VDC). So your laptop actually has no problems when a battery delivering 9 VDC is used to replace the wall socket delivering 9 VDC. (I'm using '9 VDC' as an example. Your mileage may vary. Read the labels.) If you are at all familiar with batteries, AC and DC, you might even want to consider building your own battery. It doesn't need to be flat, either. It could be a gel cell, or a motorcycle battery, or even a car battery, provided the power is properly transformed into the format you need - Radio Shack has a wide variety of transformers available. So please don't feel that laptop battery manufacturers have rendered you helpless, if you cannot afford a second battery. The laptop batteries are hideously expensive but the actual batteries inside the packaging are not. -- richard > > On Thursday 07 November 2002 01:24 pm, Bakul Shah wrote: > | I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with > | noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS > | and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops > | almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through > | the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly > | use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do > | you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model > | recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well > | your current laptop meets your needs and what would you > | change to make it better. > | > | I realize this is a broad topic and there will be different > | personal preferences but I am in fact looking for different > | points of views. > | > | Thanks! > | > | -- bakul > | > | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > | with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > -- > Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 7:17:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28DA37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from valen.gwi.net (valen.gwi.net [207.5.128.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C16843E3B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 07:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fkittred@gwi.net) Received: from nexus.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by valen.gwi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8FHI418810; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:17:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211081517.gA8FHI418810@valen.gwi.net> To: Bakul Shah Cc: mobile@freebsd.org From: fkittred@gwi.net Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:24:24 PST." <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:17:31 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:24:24 -0800 Bakul Shah wrote: > I am getting very tired of enegry wasting hot desktops with > noisy, dusty unreliable fans, and the need for a separate UPS > and all that and think it is past time to switch to laptops > almost completely. I am sure a lot of you have gone through > the same transition! So some questions for people who mainly > use a laptop and lug it around everywhere: what features do > you find most useful? I am not looking for specific model > recommendations but it would be nice to know just how well > your current laptop meets your needs and what would you > change to make it better. Synopsis: By and large, I am very happy with a Thinkpad A20m... Most of the answers seem to be from people who use laptops while traveling. My sense from the way you ask the question is that you would mostly use your laptop as a replacement for a desktop. This is the way I use mine. I switched to a laptop a few years ago so that I could have the same environment at work and at home. In this scenerio, battery life is less important. At work and at home, as soon as I get in I plug my Thinkpad A20m into a port replicator. I do find it handy to have a laptop battery during those times when I am feeling like working at the kitchen table, reading in bed, lying on the couch. However, it is unusual that I will do so for more than an hour. In my case, what is most important is that the suspend/resume work well as I usually suspend/resume twice a day. With the Thinkpad A20m, I have really mixed feelings. However, I should point out that I only upgraded from Windows 2000 to FreeBSD 4.7 in early October. I probably don't have an optimal configuration yet. Over all, I find FreeBSD a much more productive environment than Windows 2000. FreeBSD suspend and resume, when it works for me, is *far* faster than Windows 2000. However, some times it seems to wedge. I also really like that I can close my laptop at work, go home and for a few hours, come in the next morning and my NFS mounts from work take up without a hitch. What drives me up the wall is that I use a Lucent 803.11b wireless card (wi) at home and the built-in 10/100 interface at work. With Windows 2000, DHCP would just handle the switch between environments. With FreeBSD, I have never successfully gotten DHCP to recognise the change in environment. Each time I try to use the network at home, it takes about 15 minutes of fiddling by hand to shut the 10/100 interface down, and get the wi0 interface up. I have been unable to locate canonical instructions on how to configure FreeBSD to do this automatically, so perhaps it is not possible. regards, fletcher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 8: 1:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9837B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0369943E3B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP id MUA74016; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:01:15 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 60AC65D04; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:01:15 -0800 (PST) To: "Brian T. Schellenberger" Cc: Bakul Shah , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:25:44 EST." <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:01:15 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > > I switched to a laptop as my main (only) computer when my Amiga 1000 bit > the dust in 1995 or so (I checked and my first posting to FreeBSD list > was in 1996, so I think that 1995 is right since I used Linux for the > first six months or so). (I've had *a* laptop since 1992ish -- a > Bondwell B200.) > > > So I have some experience with this . . . > > > I'm surprised that nobody else has mentioned this. > > THE most important feature on a laptop BY FAR is a good warrenty. > > I insist on a three-year warrenty, which is why I buy Dells. Their > service is excellent. I didnt get "on-site" service, but they pick up > and deliver via Airborne Express, and if I ship it on Friday I have it > back by Tuesday morning, so never without it for more than three days. > > I do have a desktop at work. It runs Windows and it's old an slow and > the display is muddy but it will do in a pinch, so I can survive three > (miserable) days without my main machine. > > If you use your laptop -- really use it, and I carry mine everywhere; in > and back to work every day, on my lap with the wireless card outside > while watching the kids play, in my car while waiting for people; I > even carry it around the house with me from room to room -- then it > *will* require service. > > If it just sits on your desk 90% of the time, maybe not. I have been using ThinkPads for about 7 years and just got my third one. I expect a laptop to last 3 years. By then the technology is just too far behind the power curve for new applications and I get a new one. All of my ThinkPads are still functional and (when running FreeBSD) reasonably usable. None has every needed service except to replace the battery. (They seem to last about 2 years.) The only other failure was a dead row on the LCD of the oldest ThinkPad. More notably, my entire group (7 people) use them and I am only aware of one failure (keyboard dies) and that was after three years while we were waiting for the new ones to arrive. They have always simply worked...on my desk, at home on wireless (at least the last two), on travel at conferences and on planes. If you don't think I take it everywhere, just ask my wife. Our honeymoon and a 6th anniversary trip to Hawaii were probably the only tow time I've been separated from my laptop since we were married. I think you need to look at more reliable laptops. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 8:37:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B36737B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com [24.93.67.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A0D43E42 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bts@fake.com) Received: from mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6 [24.93.67.53]) by ncsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA8GZpiZ016318; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from this.is.fake.com ([24.162.238.30]) by mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:36:17 -0500 Received: by this.is.fake.com (Postfix, from userid 111) id 1DC25BA12; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" To: "Kevin Oberman" Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:35:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 Cc: Bakul Shah , mobile@freebsd.org References: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211081135.56524.bts@babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday 08 November 2002 11:01 am, Kevin Oberman wrote: | > From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" | > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:25:44 -0500 | > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG | > | > | > I switched to a laptop as my main (only) computer when my Amiga | > 1000 bit the dust in 1995 or so (I checked and my first posting to | > FreeBSD list was in 1996, so I think that 1995 is right since I | > used Linux for the first six months or so). (I've had *a* laptop | > since 1992ish -- a Bondwell B200.) | > | > | > So I have some experience with this . . . | > | > | > I'm surprised that nobody else has mentioned this. | > | > THE most important feature on a laptop BY FAR is a good warrenty. | > | > I insist on a three-year warrenty, which is why I buy Dells. Their | > service is excellent. I didnt get "on-site" service, but they pick | > up and deliver via Airborne Express, and if I ship it on Friday I | > have it back by Tuesday morning, so never without it for more than | > three days. | > | > I do have a desktop at work. It runs Windows and it's old an slow | > and the display is muddy but it will do in a pinch, so I can | > survive three (miserable) days without my main machine. | > | > If you use your laptop -- really use it, and I carry mine | > everywhere; in and back to work every day, on my lap with the | > wireless card outside while watching the kids play, in my car while | > waiting for people; I even carry it around the house with me from | > room to room -- then it *will* require service. | > | > If it just sits on your desk 90% of the time, maybe not. | | I have been using ThinkPads for about 7 years and just got my third | one. I expect a laptop to last 3 years. By then the technology is | just too far behind the power curve for new applications and I get a | new one. | | All of my ThinkPads are still functional and (when running FreeBSD) | reasonably usable. None has every needed service except to replace | the battery. (They seem to last about 2 years.) The only other | failure was a dead row on the LCD of the oldest ThinkPad. More | notably, my entire group (7 people) use them and I am only aware of | one failure (keyboard dies) and that was after three years while we | were waiting for the new ones to arrive. | | They have always simply worked...on my desk, at home on wireless (at | least the last two), on travel at conferences and on planes. If you | don't think I take it everywhere, just ask my wife. Our honeymoon and | a 6th anniversary trip to Hawaii were probably the only tow time I've | been separated from my laptop since we were married. | | I think you need to look at more reliable laptops. | | R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer | Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) | Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) | E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message Wow. That is indeed an impressive testimonial. I have owned the Bondwell (which lasted quite a while, actually), a Hyperdata, a Chembook (under some other brandname as I recall but it was the same hardware), Two Dells, and (briefly, because these two failed within the first week so I just sent them back and got a refund) an IBM Ambra and a Compaq. Each of them had to be serviced or replaced at one time or another within their first two years of life. (Within the first year, in fact, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me, though I can't swear to that.) I've never owned a "mainline" IBM laptop, always finding them to be a little bit too expensive for what you get. But perhaps this has been a mistake. By now I've just figured that laptops are like this, period. Regardless, though, I'm make sure I got a good warrenty. As I said to start with, I look for a three-year warrenty; you are correct that more than that is pointless since you will definately want to replace your machine by then anyway. I will seriously consider IBM for my next laptop, though. I'm really quite impressed at what you are telling me; it sounds like you use your laptop just as heavily as I use mine. I'm sure that most people do not use them quite so heavily. -- Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 8:52:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0CE37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57C8A43E75 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kai.luscht@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 4101 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2002 16:52:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:52:27 +0100 (MET) From: Kai Luscht To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: dstumbler stopped working after 4.4-STABLE X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0017054832@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [212.144.204.32] Message-ID: <27739.1036774347@www3.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, dstumbler, from the bsd-airtools v0.2 package, suddenly stopped working (that is, not showing any results when scanning for 802.11b interfaces) after upgrading from 4.4-STABLE. The WiFi card is a Orinoco PC Card Gold and detected all of the access points in the field just fine on 4.4. The kernel source is not patched from what I can tell, and it seems this is not necessary anymore for any FreeBSD release after 4.4. I can see dstumbler jumping from channel to channel while it is scanning (I execute dstumbler simply by "dstumbler wi0"), however, the results screen stays empty. There are APs in the field that I can manually assign to and get the results just fine when running netstumbler (Windows... ahem) with the same card. Any idea what could be wrong? A change to 4.7-STABLE hasn't changed anything. Besides the bsd-airtools version that is in the ports I also tried the latest cvsup source, unfortunately to no avail. Thanks! PS: I'm not subscribed, therefore a direct reply would be nice (just in case...). -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 9:18: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA5337B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFC8243E77 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 078486 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:18:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DCBF073.7A1AFB80@pythonemproject.com> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:12:19 -0800 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine References: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> <200211081135.56524.bts@babbleon.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whats worth the extra 2 grand to me is that I can lay on my bed with a huge pillow and type and/or surf away. I can also SSH into my big machine. So I never have to sit at a desk. I have degenerative disk disorder, so its bad enough to have to sit in a chair all day at work. I refuse to do it at home. Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 9:20:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6728337B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from snoopy.gwr.com (snoopy.gwr.com [198.88.88.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F401C43E75 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welch@igillc.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=rune ident=[zX/s6pzXXastu75wTDR9r5H01nYIoXh5]) by snoopy.gwr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ABzJ-0006lP-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:28:05 -0500 From: "Arun Welch" To: "'Brian T. Schellenberger'" , "'Bakul Shah'" , Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:19:34 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > THE most important feature on a laptop BY FAR is a good warrenty. >=20 I couldn't agree with this more. Get the longest warranty you can. > I insist on a three-year warrenty, which is why I buy Dells. Their=20 > service is excellent. I didnt get "on-site" service, but=20 > they pick up=20 > and deliver via Airborne Express, and if I ship it on Friday=20 > I have it=20 > back by Tuesday morning, so never without it for more than three days. >=20 With a Dell you really need the 3-year warranty. Unfortunately, the last year or so will be a real crapshoot, as Dell doesn't keep enough parts on hand to actually last 3 years after they stop making a laptop. Mine spent a month as a no-longer-portable (the motherboard stopped recognizing the battery) because they'd run out of motherboards and had to get them remanufactured. The local repair techs have been out here so often that I know them by name and coffee preference, and they no longer need directions when I need to call them in. I finally got them to refund the cost of the last year of the warranty by bitching to the BBB. The loophole in their "next-business-day" warranty is that they're not responsible for parts made by someone else, but since the whole thing is made by someone else they're off the hook. My previous laptop was an Acer rebadged as a Samsung, and that thing was solid. Warner's using it for testing purposes now. Everyone I know with Dell's has had to get them serviced, even people I know who leave them on their desks 90% of the time. The one before that was an IBM, and now that you can get them with a touchpad that'll be my next one too. ...arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 9:22:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538F837B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903EF43E42 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06377; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) id gA8HLZob015284; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:21:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15819.62111.450027.558305@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:21:35 -0700 To: "Brian T. Schellenberger" Cc: "Kevin Oberman" , Bakul Shah , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <200211081135.56524.bts@babbleon.org> References: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> <200211081135.56524.bts@babbleon.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ ThinkPad owner ] > | I think you need to look at more reliable laptops. > > Wow. That is indeed an impressive testimonial. Backed up by numerous folks. In the last 8 years, I've been the proud 'owner' of at least 8 different ThinkPads (I had four of them at one point). Only one required me sending it back to the factory, and that was because it dropped off my desk onto the corner of the laptop and it shattered the case and crashed the hard drive. This was certainly not IBM's fault. I've used ThinkPad's as my primary development environment for 5 of the last 10 years, and I have no regrets. Yes, they *are* spendy. But, in this case, you do get what you pay for. The case is better built than most, and IBM has backed up their warranty. The IT dept. at my former employer now exclusively buys IBM's after all the trouble they had with Sony and Dell laptops. I travelled extensively with mine, although I have to admit that I rarely used suspend/resume and instead found it easier just to shutdown/restart the box, since when I travelled it was for the whole day. (And maybe b/c I wrote the original suspend/resume code for FreeBSD I was a bit paranoid about it working right. :) :) :) > I've never owned a "mainline" IBM laptop, always finding them to be a > little bit too expensive for what you get. But perhaps this has been a > mistake. I've used Sony's, NEC's, Dell's, Toshiba's, and Panasonic's, and although I was impressed with the Toshiba's we had, the IBM's were *way* more rugged. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 9:31:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7661737B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.multi-ad.com (mail1.multi-ad.com [207.56.32.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6CE43E6E for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmcmichael@multiad.com) Received: from trmbsd.multiad.com ([207.56.32.243]) by mail1.multi-ad.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H59PZR00.OUS; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:31:03 -0600 Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine From: "Ty McMichael" Reply-To: tmcmichael@multiad.com To: Arun Welch Cc: "'Brian T. " Schellenberger' , 'Bakul Shah' , mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune> References: <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 08 Nov 2002 11:23:33 -0600 Message-Id: <1036776213.3743.159.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Everyone I know with Dell's has had to get them serviced, even people I know who leave them > on their desks 90% of the time. This doesn't bode well for me then, as I am just going on year 3 of my Dell Laptop which has quite literally been around the world several times, as well as a huge amount of domestic travel. I used to dual FreeBSD and Windoze, but have been exclusively BSD for almost a year. Sound, wireless, ethernet, APM, video, ports, etc all work great. The only "real" problem I have encountered is my docking station, which has been a pain in the ass to configure docked/undocked in X. Also, the battery no longer holds a suitable charge after docking with the batter still engaged. I dont know if other brands of laptops and their respective means of docking have the same issues or not, but it is worth considering. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 10:43:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1AD37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from osprey.kermodei.com (kermodei.com [216.103.110.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BE843E4A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd@Kermodei.com) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.kermodei.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id gA8IhXC02531; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15820.1493.67093.68359@osprey.Kermodei.Com> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:43:33 -0800 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <15819.62111.450027.558305@emerger.yogotech.com> References: <20021108160115.60AC65D04@ptavv.es.net> <200211081135.56524.bts@babbleon.org> <15819.62111.450027.558305@emerger.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under Emacs 21.1.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams writes: > [ ThinkPad owner ] > > > | I think you need to look at more reliable laptops. > > > > Wow. That is indeed an impressive testimonial. Another advantage of ThinkPads is that they are designed to be repaired. IBM has the hardware manintaince manuals available for download and parts can be ordered from them. If you confortable opening up computers, one can make repairs. E-bay is a good source for parts for older IBMs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 12:56: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6137B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinebar.hermans.ca (h24-65-98-95.ed.shawcable.net [24.65.98.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F0643E4A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@hermans.ca) Received: from jhermansxp (zinebar.inside [192.168.30.1]) by zinebar.hermans.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 72D4C5561 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:55:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <00ed01c28769$46a7c0b0$3d07000a@jhermansxp> From: "Jamie Hermans" To: Subject: AcerNote 370P (373) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:56:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'Day... I have an AcerNote 370P (373 version) that does not want to play nice with PCMCIA cards. It locks up the screen and keyboard about 3 seconds after inserting a card (right after the beep). Once I eject the card, everything plays catch-up on screen. This occurs with ANY card that I've been able to find and stick in the laptop - modem, nic, wireless, etc. I'd love to provide a DMESG but without a way to get from there to here makes it a little difficult ... I'd rather not hand-type the DMESG :) I've tried leaving only a single IRQ in pccard.conf, reboot, lockup again, try the next IRQ ... rinse, repeat. No luck. Anything to try next? -- Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 13:11:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D8B37B401; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from CRWdog.demon.co.uk (adsl-66-123-232-98.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.123.232.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBAA43E75; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spadger@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by CRWdog.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE05256; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Laptop with fresh -STABLE spontaneously suspends Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-879899836P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 13:11:13 -0800 From: Andy Sparrow Message-Id: <20021108211113.AEE05256@CRWdog.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-879899836P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Since I cvsup'd to a Nov 5th -STABLE, my laptop (Omnibook 6000) has taken to spontaneously deciding to suspend itself if I haven't typed on it for some minutes (probably at least 30 minutes). Oddly, I've also seen it decide to suspend itself within 2-3 seconds of being manually resumed, e.g. before it had actually finished resuming. I've checked the BIOS settings, and those are set to not perform any power-saving at all whilst the machine is on AC power. As it's doing this whilst docked (and thus on AC power), it shouldn't be this... This literally only started happening since the buildworld/installworld, but it's gonna be a problem if it persists... The log messages look entirely normal: Nov 8 12:52:47 tureg apmd[180]: apmevent 0002 index 1 Nov 8 12:52:47 tureg apmd: suspend at 20021108 12:52:47 Nov 8 12:53:11 tureg /kernel: resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:17) Nov 8 12:53:13 tureg /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done Nov 8 12:53:13 tureg /kernel: ata1: resetting devices .. done Nov 8 12:53:13 tureg /kernel: ata2: resetting devices .. done Nov 8 12:53:13 tureg /kernel: ata3: resetting devices .. done Nov 8 12:53:11 tureg apmd[180]: apmevent 0003 index 2 Nov 8 12:53:13 tureg apmd: resumed at 20021108 12:53:13 except that the suspend wasn't initiated by a human hitting the blue button or closing the lid, like it should be... The only other thing I've changed recently is to add a 'sym' device and plug in an ADIC autochanger - but I can't see that that would cause this, and I'm almost positive that I'd done this before the latest buildworld without seeing it. Anyone else seeing anything similar on a recent -STABLE or have any ideas on how to debug this? Regards, AS --==_Exmh_-879899836P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9zChxPHh895bDXeQRAsbRAKCc3IirT5+hGrkoe/aXSSD5sCnkMgCgl8jD 1tG98UOXRZFuiDB777Rf/8U= =yTrA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-879899836P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 13:29:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9753337B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.196.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0107C43E7B for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (unknown [10.1.0.2]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7705A3518F for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2659A28B15; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:29:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:29:12 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Message-ID: <20021108212912.GA68137@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: mobile@freebsd.org References: <200211071824.NAA20180@dreadnought.cnchost.com> <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:25:44AM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote: > > THE most important feature on a laptop BY FAR is a good warrenty. Warranties are probably a good thing. However, I have had no service issues with my two year old Toshiba. It's probably time for a new battery but that is the extent of my hardware problems. I don't use a desk very often and spend at least six hours a day, every day, on the thing. It's a laptop so I keep it in my lap. If it dies, I will be better off spending the extra waranty money on a replacement. After reading your message, I *know* my replacement will *not* be a Dell. :-/ I don't care how good their service is. Doing without my laptop, even for a weekend, would be nerve-wracking. > I insist on a three-year warrenty, which is why I buy Dells. Their > service is excellent. I didnt get "on-site" service, but they pick up > and deliver via Airborne Express, and if I ship it on Friday I have it > back by Tuesday morning, so never without it for more than three days. > > If you use your laptop -- really use it, and I carry mine everywhere; > in and back to work every day, on my lap with the wireless card > outside while watching the kids play, in my car while waiting for > people; I even carry it around the house with me from room to room -- > then it *will* require service. Not in my experience. And I'm famous for breaking solid steel cubes. > - Display. It should be high-resolution (at least 1400x1050 at this > point) and large. I would like more resolution but 1024x768 is still doing it for me on my 13.1" screen. I would want a physically larger screen to go with a higher resolution. > - All the features of a desktop (CPU, memory, etc). Do not go > backwards on anything no matter how tempting for other features or you > are almost certain to dislike it. (Well, ok, if you have an 80G drive > that's never been more than 50% full you could probably drop back on > that . . .) When I bought my laptop I installed more disk and RAM than all but one of my ISP servers. It already had more CPU than all but 3 of the boxes. (2 years ago, small, 20,000 user ISP) It still builds world on 4.7 in 66 minutes. The additional RAM was a good idea. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 14: 5:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A5637B404 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767CC43E4A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parv_fm@mailsent.net) Received: from sdn-ap-010dcwashp0212.dialsprint.net ([63.188.96.212] helo=moo.holy.cow) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18AHEn-0001Db-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:04:27 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4D50ADE2; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:05:25 -0500 From: parv To: Arun Welch Cc: "'Brian T. Schellenberger'" , 'Bakul Shah' , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine Message-ID: <20021108220525.GA18973@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Arun Welch , "'Brian T. Schellenberger'" , 'Bakul Shah' , mobile@freebsd.org References: <200211080925.45799.bts@babbleon.org> <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org in message <000001c2874b$0316ad70$c77ba8c0@rune>, wrote Arun Welch thusly... > > > With a Dell you really need the 3-year warranty. Unfortunately, > the last year or so will be a real crapshoot, as Dell doesn't keep > enough parts on hand to actually last 3 years after they stop > making a laptop. my turn... my current, and first one, is dell inspiron 5000e; it'll be two years in jan. 2003. so far it's serving well for the reasons that i bought it (a desktop replacement): - serial & parallel ports - simultaneous use of floppy & CD drives - type II & III PCMCIA slots - large screen (15", 1024x768 pix resolution) - long battery life (need 2 to run for 6 hours) ...as a result it is quite heavy to be portable. i am willing to go for a 14" screen (at least 1024x768 pix.) to save weight, single battery w/ life =>4.5 hours. only real problem is APM; it causes fsck to be run after suspend/resume cycle. my next laptop would be ibook, or if i am experiencing unusual richness, a powerbook instead. other (intel/AMD) choice would be something lighter which matches above requirements near the price of a richly configured ibook. - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 15:17:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6DD37B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz3.hyperreal.org [209.237.226.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F17B43E4A for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 6631 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 23:17:31 -0000 Received: from localhost.hyperreal.org (HELO yez.hyperreal.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.hyperreal.org with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 23:17:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 48285 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Nov 2002 23:18:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 23:18:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <15819.62111.450027.558305@emerger.yogotech.com> Message-ID: <20021108150910.W8036-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Nate Williams wrote: > [ ThinkPad owner ] > > > | I think you need to look at more reliable laptops. > > > > Wow. That is indeed an impressive testimonial. > > Backed up by numerous folks. It's funny not just how different people can have vastly different experiences, but different circles of people. For me and a couple people I know, the Stinkpad has we richly deserved reputation for falling apart way more often than others in use. Keys failing, the plastic molding coming apart, the video link to the monitor at the hinge going out, and most importantly, the hard drives constantly failing. Even inside other laptops I've used in the last few years, it's been IBM drives that have failed on me. And this is way under 3 years. The warranty service has been a sham, too, with our laptops too often being returned completely unchanged, or with new problems. This has nothing to do with FreeBSD necessarily, though, these are people who were running Linux and Win2k. I know people will say the opposite, but my Sony Vaio C1XS has been a tank (I mean that in a good way, it's actually quite a svelte little tank). I take it everywhere, including in my backpack while I bike-ride to and from work a couple times a week (once while making world!) I cracked the screen once by holding it by the corner, but I don't blame Sony for that. I've not yet got APM working, but the camera works, USB and PCMCIA have worked automatically, the video buffer's too small to do dual-screen correctly but the newer ones have (8MB buffer) enough for it. I'm excited to try firewire soon. Anyways, just a set of data points. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Nov 8 17:56:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038E037B401 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [66.111.41.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EF843E75 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8351D706; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808856EB; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:56:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Ty McMichael Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <1036776213.3743.159.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Message-ID: <20021108175339.T2225-100000@moo.sysabend.org> Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 8 Nov 2002, Ty McMichael wrote: > The only "real" problem I have encountered is my docking station, which > has been a pain in the ass to configure docked/undocked in X. Also, the > battery no longer holds a suitable charge after docking with the batter > still engaged. I dont know if other brands of laptops and their > respective means of docking have the same issues or not, but it is worth > considering. Get a better monitor. I use the my Latitude C810 in and out of the dock all the time, running a full 1600x1200 either way with no problems. The only issue I have with the dock is un/docking while running, but even windows doesn't handle that very gracefully. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 4:50:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FDA37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (outside.albsmeier.net [212.125.105.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B11043E6E for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9CoCxn039913; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:50:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id gA9Co90D039912; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:50:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (schlappy.albsmeier.net [127.0.0.1]) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8Cv7dD000692; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:57:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@schlappy.albsmeier.net) Received: (from andre@localhost) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA8Cv7k3000691; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:57:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:57:07 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Andrew Y Ng Cc: Andre Albsmeier , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Message-ID: <20021108135707.A676@schlappy.albsmeier.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <20021106152016.A807@schlappy.albsmeier.net> <1036684943.14587.19.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1036684943.14587.19.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com>; from ayn@AndrewNg.com on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:04:22AM -0600 X-Echelon: Nuclear, Ortega, COSMOS, NORAD, Pretoria Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 07-Nov-2002 at 10:04:22 -0600, Andrew Y Ng wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 08:20, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > I have a Fujitsu E-6595 here and apm fails. I have it in the kernel > > and started apmd. When I do an apm -Z, it does nothing. An apm -z > > really seems to suspend it and when I press the button it tries to > > come back but freezes. I have to reset it with the typical fsck stuff > > being run later. However, I didn't dig into this a lot so far... > > I enabled apm in the kernel and turned on apmd and apm in rc.conf and > that was it. It suspends just fine and comes back up way faster than > Windows. I can send you my kernel configuration file and rc.conf when I > get home. But try to turn on apm in rc.conf as well as apmd Well, I forgot to mention that apm is enabled as well already. I'll try again when I come home and can put a spare disk in it... > > > Another thing is, that I don't have the button-press function on > > the touchpad. Under Windoze, I can hit the touchpad with the > > finger and it behaves like a click on the left button. Under X > > this doesn't work. Maybe it is only some option missing in the > > X11 config... > > I also figured this one out. in rc.conf, the mouse is configured as > "auto", when in auto it doesn't do the tapping right. but if you specify > "PS/2", tapping should work. Again I don't remember what the name is > exactly, but I can send you my rc.conf when I get home. If you setup > your X to use systemmouse, it should work. Cool, thanks. Will try PS2 for moused next time. X11 already runs using sysmouse. > > > Of course, the crappy internal modem is useless under FreeBSD. > > I never use it, so doesn't bother me. My Linksys wireless PCMCIA card > worked out of the box, which was amazing coz I tried Debian and it > wasn't supported without a lot of hacking. Well, it's just a winmodem. I have put my Xircom CM56 in it and it works great. Thanks a lot, -Andre > > -- > andrew y ng http://andrewng.com > > fingerprint : > 46a1 29ff 893a 0381 dc81 1e1e bed8 e882 9bfc 594c > > -- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation or distribution of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view or forward this message, be forewarned that I am not responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 4:51:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799D037B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (outside.albsmeier.net [212.125.105.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E75343E3B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 04:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from outside.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA9CpDxn039927; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:51:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (uucp@localhost) by outside.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id gA9CouVE039922; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:51:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@albsmeier.net) Received: from schlappy.albsmeier.net (schlappy.albsmeier.net [127.0.0.1]) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA8CxYdD000713; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:59:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre@schlappy.albsmeier.net) Received: (from andre@localhost) by schlappy.albsmeier.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA8CxYPr000712; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:59:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andre) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:59:34 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Bruce M Simpson , Andre Albsmeier , Andrew Y Ng , Mike Harding , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop 'short list'? Message-ID: <20021108135934.B676@schlappy.albsmeier.net> References: <20021105144719.ADE431310B@netcom1.netcom.com> <1036512215.10720.6.camel@natewks2.ad.newisys.com> <20021106152016.A807@schlappy.albsmeier.net> <20021108115746.GA4497@spc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20021108115746.GA4497@spc.org>; from bms@spc.org on Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 11:57:46AM +0000 X-Echelon: Nuclear, Ortega, COSMOS, NORAD, Pretoria Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 08-Nov-2002 at 11:57:46 +0000, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 03:20:16PM +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > Another thing is, that I don't have the button-press function on > > the touchpad. Under Windoze, I can hit the touchpad with the > > finger and it behaves like a click on the left button. Under X > > this doesn't work. Maybe it is only some option missing in the > > X11 config... > > /etc/rc.conf: > [snip] > moused_enable="YES" > moused_port="/dev/psm0" > # enable taps; map button 4 (tap) to LMB, map LMB to LMB. > moused_flags="-3 -m 1=4 -m 1=1" > moused_type="auto" > [snip] Cool, will try this as well later. Interestingly, done of these modifications were needed on my old Fujitsu 510 AGP. Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 10:38:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B122637B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60F1043E88 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pg@eth1.com) Received: from pool-141-154-38-62.bos.east.verizon.net (HELO kjw98se) (kjerstes@141.154.38.62 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 18:38:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3DCD81D7.000003.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:44:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Peter Gatsoulis" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 2.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: XFree86 -configure Reply-To: "Peter Gatsoulis" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi we just finished installing 4.7 on a couple of "older" but quite FBSD able laptops, both are P133's, the first is an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with a 12.1" TFT SVGA LCD and the scond is a Toshiba TECRA 720CDT with a 12.1" TFT SVGA LCD both are capable of displaying at 1024x768 very nicely. in a former life both ran older versions of FBSD with the older 3Xseries of Xfree86 both dispalying excellent with proper pixel depth at 1024x768, unfortunately those older 3X series XF86Config files are long gone.. Now here's the questions; In the case of the Toshiba TECRA, finished installing FBSD 4.7 then did a XFree86 -configure the default autoprobed XF86Config does nothing, that is nothing appears on the screen when doing the reccm test procedure or after copying the produced file into /etc/XF86Config there are no error messages in the log either, it's as if everything was normal. looking at the XF86Config produced by the autoprobe procedure it did identify correctly the chipset as a C&T 65550 but the laptop LCD panel it DID NOT id correctly, it states it just as a default monitor. Suggestions??? In the case of the IBM TP almost the same behavior with thsi exception, we do get a rectangular screened "tile" in the middle of the LCD with the expected bare X-win when doing a startx (after moving the produced XF86Config.new into /etc/XF86Config) All's there but it's just in the center and takes up about a quarter of the screen, doing the to try and cycle thru various resolutions does nothing. Oh and yes for this IBM TP, the chipset was id'd correctly as a Trident TGUI 96xx with the XFree86 -configure autoprobe produced XF86Config.new file. In both cases we kill the X servers with the sequence to get out altho in the IBM we can also type exit at the main Xwin that appears Suggestions to try ?? anyone have a working XF86Config for these LCD's and chipsets? we realize that this new series of Xfree86, now series 4 or whatever is in FBSD 4.7 is a whole new ballgame. thanx -Kj & P To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 10:48:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB1E37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7660843E3B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:48:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pg@eth1.com) Received: from pool-141-154-38-62.bos.east.verizon.net (HELO kjw98se) (kjerstes@141.154.38.62 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 18:48:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3DCD8431.000007.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:54:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Text/Plain X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750710) From: "Peter Gatsoulis" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 2.0 X-CNT: ; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: in 4.7 the new pcmcia procedure is? Reply-To: "Peter Gatsoulis" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org anyone provide a real quick refresher? just finished installing 4.7 onto a couple of laptops i have 2 ol fashioned PCMCIA network cards, a 3COM 3c589E and a Netgear FA410 i believe the 3COM went by ep0 and the netgear went by ed0 in older versions of FBSD i'd edit pccard.conf to put in the correct settings for the right card and then include an entry in rc.conf (forgot the entry & syntax) to start up PCMCIA is this still right ? or has it been more automated? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 11:20:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFA337B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804C943E3B for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([64.171.190.46]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H5B000QJPQOB3@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 11:21:50 -0800 From: richard childers Subject: Re: XFree86 -configure To: Peter Gatsoulis Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-id: <3DCD604E.CEEC2593@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3DCD81D7.000003.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've heard rumors of problems with XFree86 4.0 and suggested workarounds involving the installation of XFree86 from an earlier release of FreeBSD. YMMV, of course. -- richard Peter Gatsoulis wrote: > hi > > we just finished installing 4.7 on a couple of "older" but quite FBSD able > laptops, both are P133's, the first is an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with a 12.1" > TFT SVGA LCD and the scond is a Toshiba TECRA 720CDT with a 12.1" TFT SVGA > LCD > both are capable of displaying at 1024x768 very nicely. > > in a former life both ran older versions of FBSD with the older 3Xseries of > Xfree86 both dispalying excellent with proper pixel depth at 1024x768, > unfortunately those older 3X series XF86Config files are long gone.. > > Now here's the questions; > > In the case of the Toshiba TECRA, finished installing FBSD 4.7 then did a > XFree86 -configure > the default autoprobed XF86Config does nothing, that is nothing appears on > the screen when doing the reccm test procedure or after copying the produced > file into /etc/XF86Config > > there are no error messages in the log either, it's as if everything was > normal. > > looking at the XF86Config produced by the autoprobe procedure it did > identify correctly the chipset as a C&T 65550 but the laptop LCD panel it > DID NOT id correctly, it states it just as a default monitor. > > Suggestions??? > > In the case of the IBM TP almost the same behavior with thsi exception, we > do get a rectangular screened "tile" in the middle of the LCD with the > expected bare X-win when doing a startx (after moving the produced > XF86Config.new into /etc/XF86Config) > All's there but it's just in the center and takes up about a quarter of the > screen, doing the to try and cycle thru various > resolutions does nothing. > Oh and yes for this IBM TP, the chipset was id'd correctly as a Trident TGUI > 96xx with the XFree86 -configure autoprobe produced XF86Config.new file. > > In both cases we kill the X servers with the sequence to > get out altho in the IBM we can also type exit at the main Xwin that appears > > > Suggestions to try ?? anyone have a working XF86Config for these LCD's and > chipsets? > > we realize that this new series of Xfree86, now series 4 or whatever is in > FBSD 4.7 is a whole new ballgame. > > thanx > -Kj & P > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Richard A Childers/KG6HAC -- Senor UNIX System & Network Administrator "Dont forget nothing." Maj Rogers, standing orders, 1st Ranger Bn, 1759 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 11:51:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE1337B407 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.multi-ad.com (mail1.multi-ad.com [207.56.32.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F7C43E4A for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmcmichael@multiad.com) Received: from trmbsd.multiad.com ([207.56.32.243]) by mail1.multi-ad.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H5BR6100.0W1; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:51:37 -0600 Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine From: "Ty McMichael" Reply-To: tmcmichael@multiad.com To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Ty McMichael , mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20021108175339.T2225-100000@moo.sysabend.org> References: <20021108175339.T2225-100000@moo.sysabend.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 09 Nov 2002 13:43:51 -0600 Message-Id: <1036871031.3743.1772.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie, the monitor I wanted to use while docked (19" Dell) I use undocked and it works fine at 1600x1200. When I dock and boot, my monitor goes dead right after issuing the GDM command, but I of course still have the laptop screen. I have read in the past that it was a misconfigured XF86Config file. Any ideas? Thanks! Ty On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 19:56, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On 8 Nov 2002, Ty McMichael wrote: > > > The only "real" problem I have encountered is my docking station, which > > has been a pain in the ass to configure docked/undocked in X. Also, the > > battery no longer holds a suitable charge after docking with the batter > > still engaged. I dont know if other brands of laptops and their > > respective means of docking have the same issues or not, but it is worth > > considering. > > Get a better monitor. I use the my Latitude C810 in and out of the dock > all the time, running a full 1600x1200 either way with no problems. The > only issue I have with the dock is un/docking while running, but even > windows doesn't handle that very gracefully. > > Jamie Bowden > > -- > "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" > Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" > Iain Bowen > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the mess To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 13: 9:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164637B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [66.111.41.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF3A43E6E for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8857574A; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8569C749; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: tmcmichael@multiad.com Cc: Ty McMichael , Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine In-Reply-To: <1036871031.3743.1772.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Message-ID: <20021109130634.S90998-100000@moo.sysabend.org> Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Nov 2002, Ty McMichael wrote: > Jamie, the monitor I wanted to use while docked (19" Dell) I use > undocked and it works fine at 1600x1200. When I dock and boot, my > monitor goes dead right after issuing the GDM command, but I of course > still have the laptop screen. I have read in the past that it was a > misconfigured XF86Config file. Any ideas? Thanks! I can send you my XF86Config file on Monday. Be aware I'm using winter's shim for the Linux Nvidia driver support. If you an have ATI graphics adapter instead, you'll have to make a few minor changes. I should probably switch to the native FBSD Nvidia driver now that it's finally available. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 13:44:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A922937B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.multi-ad.com (mail1.multi-ad.com [207.56.32.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F2543E6E for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:44:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmcmichael@multiad.com) Received: from trmbsd.multiad.com ([207.56.32.243]) by mail1.multi-ad.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H5BWDU00.EWH; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:44:18 -0600 Subject: RE: using a laptop as a main machine From: "Ty McMichael" Reply-To: tmcmichael@multiad.com To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Ty McMichael , mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20021109130634.S90998-100000@moo.sysabend.org> References: <20021109130634.S90998-100000@moo.sysabend.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 09 Nov 2002 15:36:31 -0600 Message-Id: <1036877791.3743.1889.camel@trmbsd.multiad.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks a bunch, I am using the ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF driver so I will make the necessary changes. Again, thanks! Ty On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 15:09, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On 9 Nov 2002, Ty McMichael wrote: > > > Jamie, the monitor I wanted to use while docked (19" Dell) I use > > undocked and it works fine at 1600x1200. When I dock and boot, my > > monitor goes dead right after issuing the GDM command, but I of course > > still have the laptop screen. I have read in the past that it was a > > misconfigured XF86Config file. Any ideas? Thanks! > > I can send you my XF86Config file on Monday. Be aware I'm using winter's > shim for the Linux Nvidia driver support. If you an have ATI graphics > adapter instead, you'll have to make a few minor changes. I should > probably switch to the native FBSD Nvidia driver now that it's finally > available. > > Jamie Bowden > > -- > "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" > Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" > Iain Bowen > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 21: 0:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969A737B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF0D43E42 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAA50Bpk093428; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:00:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:00:05 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021109.220005.44519003.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd@hermans.ca Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AcerNote 370P (373) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <00ed01c28769$46a7c0b0$3d07000a@jhermansxp> References: <00ed01c28769$46a7c0b0$3d07000a@jhermansxp> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <00ed01c28769$46a7c0b0$3d07000a@jhermansxp> "Jamie Hermans" writes: : I have an AcerNote 370P (373 version) that does not want to play nice with : PCMCIA cards. It locks up the screen and keyboard about 3 seconds after : inserting a card (right after the beep). Once I eject the card, everything : plays catch-up on screen. OK. Sounds like we're getting stuck asserting an interrupt during the card's configuration. Sounds like it is pretty generic. What version? : I've tried leaving only a single IRQ in pccard.conf, reboot, lockup again, : try the next IRQ ... rinse, repeat. No luck. : : Anything to try next? Are you trying PCI interrupts or ISA interrupts? hw.pcic.intr_path=1 is for pci interrupts, =2 for ISA interrupts. You might try both of these. What kind of PCIC bridge do you have in your machine? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Nov 9 21: 3:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F6B37B401 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8EF43E4A for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:03:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAA53Qpk097730; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:03:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20021109.220320.129711227.imp@bsdimp.com> To: pg@eth1.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: in 4.7 the new pcmcia procedure is? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <3DCD8431.000007.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> References: <3DCD8431.000007.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message: <3DCD8431.000007.30625@kjw98se.ne.mediaone.net> "Peter Gatsoulis" writes: : anyone provide a real quick refresher? : : just finished installing 4.7 onto a couple of laptops : i have 2 ol fashioned PCMCIA network cards, a 3COM 3c589E and a Netgear : FA410 : i believe the 3COM went by ep0 and the netgear went by ed0 : : in older versions of FBSD i'd edit pccard.conf to put in the correct : settings for the right card and then include an entry in rc.conf (forgot the : entry & syntax) to start up PCMCIA : : is this still right ? or has it been more automated? It is more automated these days. For the most part, I just insert a card and it works. I have 'pccard_ifconfig=DHCP' in my rc.conf file. In fact, here's all the entries that I have: pccard_enable=YES # Enable pccardd pccard_mem=0xd4000 # use alternate memory address since d0000 used pccard_beep=0 # keep quiet on card events pccard_ifconfig=DHCP # use dhclient for all cards Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message