From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 1: 1:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8344137B400 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from imp3-1.free.fr (imp3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.28]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C29917F77 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:01:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp3-1.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3C36CFDA3; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:01:22 +0100 (MET) To: newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: HELP : FreeBSD install Message-ID: <1014541282.3c78abe22af40@imp3-1.free.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:01:22 +0100 (MET) From: Olivier DAVY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.42 X-Originating-IP: 193.51.16.56 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Olivier DAVY Engineer in CS France Hi ! I am new in the world of FreeBSD, and I'd like to now how to install FreeBSD on my slave drive, considering that on my master HD I have : - Win XP - Linux - lilo to boot on the MBR Should I install FreeBSD 4.5 on my slave drive, then not touch on my MBR and finally configure lilo to make it boot FreeBSD form te slave drive ? Or must I install the FreeBSD on my MBR ? But then will it recognize my lilo and windosd partitions (oups, slices) ? What kind of boot manager should I install (BootMgr, standard, none) ? Secondly, is the msdos format in fstab compatible with vfat and vfat32 ? I am looking forward to your answer, since I am not very confident with such installation. Thanks, olive --------------------------------------- Olivier DAVY ENSIMAG engineer - HEC Master E-mail : olivier.davy@free.fr tél : +33/(0)1.39.67.89.39 --------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 1:10:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1-2.free.fr (postfix1-2.free.fr [213.228.0.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42E837B405 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from imp3-1.free.fr (imp3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.28]) by postfix1-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E059FAB120 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:10:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by imp3-1.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id A92F5FDA3; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:10:50 +0100 (MET) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: HELP : Installation Free + Win + linux Message-ID: <1014541850.3c78ae1a99755@imp3-1.free.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:10:50 +0100 (MET) From: Olivier DAVY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.42 X-Originating-IP: 193.51.16.56 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Olivier DAVY Engineer in CS France Hi ! I am new in the world of FreeBSD, and I'd like to now how to install FreeBSD on my slave drive, considering that on my master HD I have : - Win XP ;p - Linux (mandrake 8.0) - lilo to boot on the MBR Should I install FreeBSD 4.5 on my slave drive, then not touch on my MBR and finally configure lilo to make it boot FreeBSD form te slave drive ? Or must I install the FreeBSD on my MBR ? But then will it recognize my lilo and windosd partitions (oups, slices) ? What kind of boot manager should I install (BootMgr, standard, none) ? Secondly, is the msdos format in fstab compatible with vfat and vfat32 ? I am looking forward to your answer, since I am not very confident with such installation. Thanks, olive --------------------------------------- Olivier DAVY ENSIMAG engineer - HEC Master E-mail : olivier.davy@free.fr tél : +33/(0)1.39.67.89.39 --------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 11:54:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A90F37B405 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5836; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:54:26 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6C7BG>; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:53:17 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVD26BA; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:44:13 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Olivier DAVY , newbies@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: HELP : FreeBSD install Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:54:19 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1014541282.3c78abe22af40@imp3-1.free.fr> In-Reply-To: <1014541282.3c78abe22af40@imp3-1.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020224195429.9A90F37B405@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 24 February 2002 01:01 am, Olivier DAVY wrote: > Olivier DAVY > Engineer in CS > France > > Hi ! > I am new in the world of FreeBSD, and I'd like to now how to install > FreeBSD on my slave drive, considering that on my master HD I have : > - Win XP > - Linux > - lilo to boot on the MBR The best place to find out this stuff is the FreeBSD Handbook. Seriously. But I'll give you some bits of advice. Installing FreeBSD on it's own drive is easiest. You lesson the risk of ruining your XP and Linux partitions on the other drive. If you already know LILO very well, then just use LILO to boot FreeBSD. The FreeBSD boot manager does not need to be on the master's MBR. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 18:12:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f165.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4757237B402 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:12:25 -0800 Received: from 24.108.13.173 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:12:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.108.13.173] From: "Matthew Yeo" To: olivier.davy@free.fr, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP : Installation Free + Win + linux Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:12:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2002 02:12:25.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDC3B720:01C1BDA1] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Olivier, >Should I install FreeBSD 4.5 on my slave drive, then not touch on my >MBR >and finally configure lilo to make it boot FreeBSD form te slave >drive? This is what I would do. Installing Free to the MBR will wipe both WinXP and lilo from the map (which I did a couple of times when I first tried Linux) and unless you happen to *like* installing both your other OS products again... >What kind of boot manager should I install (BootMgr, standard, none) ? Use Lilo if you are used to it, and simply configure it after installing FreeBSD. It can handle all three perfectly fine. >Secondly, is the msdos format in fstab compatible with vfat and vfat32? Good question, because I always use my Win98 boot disk to do my formatting (FAT32). I don't know if I can help you with this one. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 21:42:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns6.icdc.com (ns6.icdc.com [208.244.152.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F96437B41A; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra2000 (peco.94.galaxy.icdc.com [208.244.152.222]) by ns6.icdc.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1P5bSf01866; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006201c1bdbe$a2abf9a0$2c14fea9@ultra2000> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: "Paul" , "freebsd.org" Cc: "freebsd.org" References: <200202240508.AAA27239@alpha.vaxxine.com> Subject: Re: installations questions Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:30:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there is something of and issue of the file extenstions which I have to question. I did a man on gzip and fouind that .tgz and tar.gz are both the same format. you cang ungzip them because gzip has shortend the name of the file. so how can you actually tell the diffence? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: freebsd.org Cc: freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: installations questions > > I just have two issues that I am not clear on. > > 1st. Netscape install ... I tried the freebsd.tar.gz file. It did not > work because of an a.out---elf issue. So I tried the Linux.tar.gz file > and it works fine. > I notice that a pkg_ has a .tgz extention not .tar.gz. > Is the .tar.gz file a package? > How can I avoid the a.out---elf issue in the future? > > > 2nd. Apache install ... I tried to install 2.0? and 1.3 from the ports > tree. They did not work. I kept getting error on line 205 LOADMODULE > problem. Sorry I can't be more specific. > So then I deinstall everything Apache and try again. > This time I use the /stand/sysinstall method. > Apache fires up just fine now. > How configureable is this install of Apache? > What went wrong in the ports intall? > > I have soooooo many questions. And I think that I am not sure what the > right questions to ask are. > Thanks for your time. > Paul... > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 22: 5:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 295AC37B402 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from wyldephyre2 (AUTH LOGIN) at unknown (HELO warhawk) (wyldephyre2@202.1.200.213) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 06:05:29 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Matthew Yeo'" , , Subject: RE: HELP : Installation Free + Win + linux Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:04:58 +0500 Message-ID: <000101c1bdc2$65c88630$d5c801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >Secondly, is the msdos format in fstab compatible with vfat and > >vfat32? > I've been able to mount fat32 volumes under freebsd, if that's what you mean. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPHnSXRY2HTS0XwU2EQLHkwCggsUQthAngksQ58F7PmSnQLYuPBsAn2lf FmZ2Jn8Q5e2FEwretJLQdf0q =mliQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 24 22: 5:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C77FB37B404 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from wyldephyre2 (AUTH LOGIN) at unknown (HELO warhawk) (wyldephyre2@202.1.200.213) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 06:05:35 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Chauncey Smith'" , "'Paul'" , "'freebsd.org'" Cc: "'freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: installations questions Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:04:58 +0500 Message-ID: <000201c1bdc2$697efe80$d5c801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006201c1bdbe$a2abf9a0$2c14fea9@ultra2000> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > there is something of and issue of the file extenstions which I > have to question. > > I did a man on gzip and fouind that .tgz and tar.gz are both the > same format. you cang ungzip them because gzip has shortend the > name of the file. > so how can you actually tell the diffence? Aesthetics aside, I don't think there's any difference between the contents of either one. Both are gzipped tars. Why not straight away zip? The zip command can only compress one file, hence the need to tar up the files you want into compress. If you open up a tgz or a tar.gz file under windows with winrar, you'll see that the file has a .tar file in it, which must be ultimately extracted to get at the files you want. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPHnSGRY2HTS0XwU2EQI98ACgnDrVITMzZdnUneT2BGFUSWhEtN4AoJiz zupIt2FCGPSQDoPyCOrUhqRP =OsSG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 25 0: 5:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ares.qdnet.pl (ares.qdnet.pl [62.181.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DFA737B404 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from aninka3.qdnet.pl (62.181.3.230) by aninka3.qdnet.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:43:19 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Virus_Alert?= From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Anti-Viral_Plugin?=" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:43:19 +0100 To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?lingwista@QDnet=2Epl?=" , "=?iso-8859-1?Q?freebsd-newbies@freebsd=2Eorg?=" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: JMail 4.1.2 Free Version by Dimac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Message ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1D25; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:02:51 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6DA1F>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:01:37 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVD29S3; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:52:27 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Chauncey Smith , Paul , "freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: installations questions Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:02:35 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200202240508.AAA27239@alpha.vaxxine.com> <006201c1bdbe$a2abf9a0$2c14fea9@ultra2000> In-Reply-To: <006201c1bdbe$a2abf9a0$2c14fea9@ultra2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020225180302.5175337B400@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 24 February 2002 09:30 pm, Chauncey Smith wrote: > there is something of and issue of the file extenstions which I have to > question. > I did a man on gzip and fouind that .tgz and tar.gz are both the same > format. you cang ungzip them because gzip has shortend the name of the > file. so how can you actually tell the diffence? Traditionally, .tgz is used for a precompiled package ready to use, while .tar.gz is used for uncompiled source code or other stuff. They are the same format, but just think tgz=package, tar.gz=source. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 25 10:19:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web11608.mail.yahoo.com (web11608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2698D37B41A for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020225181947.81189.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.197.74.25] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:19:47 PST Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yu Subject: Can't boot from image CD To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Please help. I downloaded FreeBSD image file "4.5-install.iso" from Web site ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5/ using a Windows machine, then burned it onto a CD-R. But when I inserted the CD into another PC, it can't boot from the CD. I checked and made sure the boot order is CD-ROM Drive first, hard drive second, and floppy drive third. The CD-ROM drive is EIDE, secondary master. My question is: Is *.iso file format bootable in a regular PC? Thanks, Michael Yu mzyu_tx@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 25 13:53:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ocelot.cs.odu.edu (ocelot.cs.odu.edu [128.82.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D761F37B431 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from starsky.cs.odu.edu (starsky.cs.odu.edu [128.82.5.199]) by ocelot.cs.odu.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1PLqDO29488 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sspencer@localhost) by starsky.cs.odu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g1PLqxU19744 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:53:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: starsky.cs.odu.edu: sspencer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:52:59 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Spencer To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: got a USR5686D modem? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you have this modem, US Robotics 56K Fax modem, Product # USR5686D, I need some help. It is an external modem and I have connected it to my second serial port. I am able to connect to the modem using term /dev/cuaa1 and also the tip command, but once I am connected I can't enter anything in. No characters show up on the screen when I type them into the keyboard. Its not a problem with the modem, since I tested it on my windows XP machine and it worked fine. Also the port works since I can connect. I think there is a problem with one of the three following files /etc/remote, /etc/modems or /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. If you have this modem could you dump a copy of each of these files into a text file and send it to me so I can compare. I added an entry for this modem in /etc/modems using the init_string = AT\r. It should work. There is a second init_string for this modem, but that is the one that worked on the XP machine, plus I've tried them both and neither works correctly. When I use the command tip -57600 ####### it tells me that tip can't synchronize with the modem. Scott Spencer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 25 19:57:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns6.icdc.com (ns6.icdc.com [208.244.152.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DD337B400 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra2000 (peco.40.galaxy.icdc.com [208.244.152.168]) by ns6.icdc.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1Q3vFf11570; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:57:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006701c1be79$cdfe4d40$2c14fea9@ultra2000> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: "Michael Yu" , References: <20020225181947.81189.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Can't boot from image CD Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:48:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org that sounds like you've done everything right. I think you may have forgoten a step. You have to check the checksum numbers with md5sum and make sure they match. If you don't do this (I know from experence) you can burn a bad iso because of errors in the download. The IS0's are bootable by a normal computer. I'd check the md5 and see if you'd got a good download first. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Yu To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Can't boot from image CD > Hello. Please help. > > I downloaded FreeBSD image file "4.5-install.iso" from > Web site > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5/ > using a Windows machine, then burned it onto a CD-R. > But when I inserted the CD into another PC, it can't > boot from the CD. I checked and made sure the boot > order is CD-ROM Drive first, hard drive second, and > floppy drive third. The CD-ROM drive is EIDE, > secondary master. > > My question is: Is *.iso file format bootable in a > regular PC? > > Thanks, > > Michael Yu > mzyu_tx@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 26 0:17:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from elaine.ispinfo.fr (elaine.ispinfo.fr [195.115.177.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885B937B41F for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from uriens.ispinfo.fr (smtp0.ispinfo.fr [195.115.177.47]) by elaine.ispinfo.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16343 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:19:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hubert.adgie@ispinfo.fr) Received: from smtpx.ispinfo.fr (smtpx.ispinfo.fr [195.115.177.41]) by uriens.ispinfo.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1Q8Jm683898 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:19:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hubert.adgie@ispinfo.fr) Received: from hubert (unverified) by smtpx.ispinfo.fr (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:19:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c1be9e$3c99b0e0$5201a8c0@accesindustrie.com> From: "Hubert ADGIE" To: References: <20020225181947.81189.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Can't boot from image CD Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:18:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Do you check that CD boot is enable on this PC ? Hubert. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 26 3:42: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web21107.mail.yahoo.com (web21107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C8F237B41A for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020226114158.12986.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.102.85.51] by web21107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:41:58 PST Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Transparent Firewalling with FreeBSD (bridge and ipf) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, I was wondering, if it is possible to do transparent firewalling, with BRIDGE, and IPF support in FreeBSD. Basically, I have to use it in a fiber-optic environment, where security is a very big issue, and a transparent firewall has been suggested. I know OpenBSD can do this, but would be more happy to do it with FreeBSD. [ I am not subscribed to -questions, it would be very kind to CC the copy of the reply to me. ] Thanks, Regards, -- Hiten Pandya -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 26 4:32:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hbgimc03.state.pa.us (hbgimc03.state.pa.us [206.224.21.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10A237B400 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by hbgimc03.state.pa.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <47AF88335955D511820600D0B784A8E001634610@hbgpri37> From: "Reeves, Maurice" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Can't boo from image CD Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 07:32:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ISOs create bootable discs from regular PC's, but a common mistake made by people burning ISO's for the first time is to just transfer the ISO to a disc (ie a direct copy) so the contents of the disc say 4.5-install.iso Most burning software has an option named "Make CD from Disc Image" which then prompts you for the CD Image location and it makes a disc which will have the tools needed to install FreeBSD. Hope that helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 26 10:23:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from corten2.billschoolcraft.com (adsl-63-193-247-201.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.247.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C141F37B423 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from corten8.billschoolcraft.com ([192.168.7.8]) by corten2.billschoolcraft.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 16fhMk-00064x-00 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:09:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Schoolcraft X-Sender: bill@corten8 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't boot from image CD In-Reply-To: <003201c1be9e$3c99b0e0$5201a8c0@accesindustrie.com> Message-ID: System-ID: [en] (I; Linux i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A fix that I would do if this happened out in the "field" is to grab a few floppies and make some boot disks "from" the CD and carry on. -- Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 -o) San Francisco CA 94121 /\ "UNIX, A Way Of Life." _\_v http://forwardslashunix.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 5:23: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.cz (diana.mobil.cz [194.228.200.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD537B405 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ester.mobil.cz (ester.mobil.cz [194.213.62.23]) by mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1RDMs119377 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:22:55 +0100 Received: from roman.mobil.cz ([10.2.0.89]) by ester.mobil.cz (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.7) with ESMTP id 2002022714191021:9852 ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:10 +0100 Received: (from roman@localhost) by roman.mobil.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1RD8wI30601 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:08:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from neuhauser@mobil.cz) X-Authentication-Warning: roman.mobil.cz: roman set sender to neuhauser@mobil.cz using -f Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:08:58 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [freebsd-newbies]Modem Recommendations Message-ID: <20020227130858.GF26730@roman.mobil.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/27/2002 02:19:10 PM, Serialize by Router on ester/Mobil(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 02/27/2002 02:19:18 PM, Serialize complete at 02/27/2002 02:19:18 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Seamus Roche" > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [freebsd-newbies]Modem Recommendations > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:06:16 +0000 > > I upgraded tonight from FreeBSD 4.3 to FreeBSD 4.5 Stable > ("stand/sysinstall" from a bsdmall cd). Everything seemed to go okay > except I in one of my user's home directories I got all these wierd files: > audio@, audio0, dsp@, dsp0, dspW@, and several other wierd characters. > Should I be concerned by this? I don't see how this relates to modem recommendations? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 2:08PM up 5 days, 20:33, 14 users, load averages: 0.11, 0.06, 0.06 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 6:39:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2A537B402 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:39:38 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.101.96.235] From: "TheUaRT" To: Subject: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:40:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 14:39:38.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[9528FFA0:01C1BF9C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! The[UaRT] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 6:57:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web11705.mail.yahoo.com (web11705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE7F337B400 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:57:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020227145733.43695.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.82.72.190] by web11705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:57:33 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: Wade Dixon Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: TheUaRT , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IRC is definitely not a place for newbies, they tend to be rough on us, especially if they perceive that you're coming there for quick easy answers without doing your homework. The mailing lists and FreeBSD's online docs are definitely the best way to get up to speed. WW --- TheUaRT wrote: > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to > computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn > current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it > seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a > concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. > Specially on IRC. > > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! > > The[UaRT] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 7: 7:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (grlu5117.cnet.navy.Mil [160.127.129.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D448437B41F for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from penx68322m1.cnet.navy.mil (pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil [160.125.210.190]) by grlu5117.cnet.navy.mil (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05960 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:06:44 -0600 (CST) Received: by pens0394.cnet.navy.Mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:13:25 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Burt, Randall -CONT(DYN)" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:13:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *Definitely* do the homework. Even here, (though questions sb in -questions) the majority of replies contain pointers to documentation first, then hand holding last. -----Original Message----- From: Wade Dixon [mailto:wmd2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:58 AM To: TheUaRT; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD IRC is definitely not a place for newbies, they tend to be rough on us, especially if they perceive that you're coming there for quick easy answers without doing your homework. The mailing lists and FreeBSD's online docs are definitely the best way to get up to speed. WW --- TheUaRT wrote: > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to > computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn > current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it > seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a > concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. > Specially on IRC. > > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! > > The[UaRT] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 7:16:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from field.videotron.net (field.videotron.net [205.151.222.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5883637B402 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from windows ([24.201.83.93]) by field.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.12.14.10.29.p8) with ESMTP id <0GS7002QX6E9ZB@field.videotron.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:15:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:16:11 -0500 From: Sandro Mancuso Subject: RE: FreeBSD In-reply-to: To: 'TheUaRT' , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000501c1bfa1$b0bcaf00$6400a8c0@windows> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "The[UaRT]" there's a simple reason for this. Too many people act too na=EFve, which can be very irritating for those trying to ask. I may = add that looking for help on IRC is perhaps the worst route. You'll generally get much less help, in that respect I agree with you with respect to their arrogance. Very often they don't know enough to really help you either I've gathered. Those that do, won't. However the perceived arrogance can be justified imho. Like you, I'm a relative newbie. The problem is that all too often, the newbie looks for someone to do everything for him/her. Rather than trying to solve a problem, they will look for someone to solve it for them, and they just expect the perfect answers to all. Its just not like that, and moreover, it is not the best way to learn. Imagine this scenario. You're in school, you have an assignment to do that a teacher hands out to you, but WITH the answers. The result is (no matter what you say, with years of experience you'll wind up agreeing) invariably that one will not actually learn from this assignment if asked about it later. The problem here is twofold. Its nice and all to have the answer, but the steps involved in finding a solution is not known, so the "student" will never know how to come to that answer. Secondly, I personally feel that one's retention of what's going on is lessened by easily just feeding them the answer. Its just too easy to "cheat." But I digress. What I have always told everyone is the following. I have FreeBSD installed on 2 machines. Now that they're working well, I learn nothing. However, for 3-4 months I kept running into little problems with them. I worked at it until they worked to my liking. Its during this period that I learned a great deal about FreeBSD. You see what I'm getting at? Quick example: At one point my IP was assigned to me via DHCP. I was having a very difficult time getting it to work for me. I had to change some stuff with respect to dhclient to get it working without dropping my IP every 12 hrs. Now, had someone simply told me "do this this and this in dhclient.conf" what would I have learned? I still would have no idea why I did it, or why it wasn't working to begin with, so I can deal with it again in the future. One last thing: These people are here to help, yes. However they are certainly not paid for this assistance they provide. Therefore, in order to reduce the number of questions they get, many self help tools have been made available. Thus the "RTFM" statements you'll often get. You get what you pay for in the end (which is not meant to take away from the value of this free operating system) so if you aren't paying 2-300$ for an OS, don't expect there to be someone at the other end of an 800 number holding your hand either. Just "my two cents" Sandro Mancuso "Windows is the virus, Linux is the Vaccine FreeBSD is the cure." > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- > newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of TheUaRT > Sent: February 27, 2002 9:40 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > Subject: FreeBSD >=20 > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. >=20 > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! >=20 > The[UaRT] >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 7:26:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F4837B400 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2injqau.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.233.94] helo=askgar.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16g5yS-0004SZ-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:26:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7CF9F7.52B86A9D@askgar.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:35 -0600 From: Gary Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: What Version (GNOME - gnomeprint034, bonobo018) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not new to Unix, but I'm definitely new to FreeBSD. I have spent somewhere upwards of 20 hours "messing with" a new FreeBSD box. I used my Windows box to make the 2 disk boot start, and my cable modem has done an admirable job of sucking down gigs and gigs of aborted attempts at packages and ports. I got through configuring my XFree86, which took some time because I didn't know I needed the Mach64 version of the server, but that's done. The lesson I learned in that portion of the FreeBSD adventure was "The Handbook is Your Friend. Read the Handbook". Then I went to try to go GNOME, and its a mess. I have been working with 4.5-RELEASE as my version, and my basic problems are that anything I try to do working with GNOME has dependencies on packages that don't exist anymore in the 4.5 trees. "bonobo" and "gnome-print" are the two biggest ones that come to mind. For instance, if you head over to: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/gnome.html you will see that many things on the page require "gnome-print-0.34" "bonobo-1.0.18" if you flip over to: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/print.html#gnomeprint-0.34 you can click on "sources" to find out where to get gnomeprint, and you'll see that all the sources list "gnome-print-0.35.tar.gz" In the various ftp#.freebsd.org sites, you will find that there are sym-links to "gnome-print-0.34.tgz", but guess what? They are sym-links to dead air! No such file! (Examples: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.5-release/gnome/gnomeprint-0.34.tgz (well....as I check my "Examples" I see that bonobo-1.0.18.tgz is available now. hmmmph)) My FreeBSD friends encouraged me not to do packages, but to do ports, so I retrieved the entire ports.tgz (taking everything, lest I omit something critical), and following their instructions do my "make && make install" at various places in the gnome section of the ports tree. They all fail. They are all looking for gnome-print 0.34 and bonobo1.0.18, which as far as I can tell, DO NOT EXIST. Finally my FreeBSD friend came to the house. He said, "OH! Here's your problem! You are trying to run 4.5! You should only run even numbered releases. The odd ones are buggy!" When I emailed the FreeBSD GNOME people, I got the reply: There was a problem with posting certain packages to the FTP sites. This is currently being investigated. However, if you've found updated packages, FTP them down manually, then pkg_add them from disk ------------- Well, I haven't found PACKAGES -- I've found '.tar.gz' files, which can't be pkg_add'ed. So, what does this newbie do? Should I listen to my friends advice and go back to 4.4?? Advice welcome, _-_ gar the newbie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 9:17: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f181.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB9B37B444 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:16:41 -0800 Received: from 63.100.89.35 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:16:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.100.89.35] From: "Gerardo Paredes" To: theuart@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:16:40 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2002 17:16:41.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[86121360:01C1BFB2] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The best advice i can give you friend is read the fine Handbook first after you do that you can ask what you didn't understand, i strongly recommend you the #freebsd channel on irc.openprojects.net that guys are there to support you if you come up with questions after reading the documentation, never understimate the power of the documentation that come with the operating system (/usr/share/doc/handbook) and above all, enjoy the power of FreeBSD. >From: "TheUaRT" >To: >Subject: FreeBSD >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:40:23 -0500 > >I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. >I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new >technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now >a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. >It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. > >There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! > >The[UaRT] > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 10: 9:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.bxscience.edu (voyager.bxscience.edu [167.206.203.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4266A37B400 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 51407 invoked by uid 5415); 27 Feb 2002 18:06:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:06:15 -0500 From: Terry Dignon To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: setting up a nameserver Message-ID: <20020227130615.A51315@voyager.bxscience.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have checked around, read the documentation, and even a few books (Freebsd Unleashed, Unix System Administrators Bible) but still cannot understand the setup of a nameserver or how to get it to interact with the rest of the network. If someone could "lend me a hand" or point me towards a helpful site I would be eternally grateful. thanks -- Terry Dignon "Bush,George: The Greased Pig In The Field Game Of American Politics" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 11: 1:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B3437B426 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA485D; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:00:45 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6DRRX>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:59:28 -0800 Received: from acuson.com (bull.acuson.com [157.226.46.72]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDJN4Y; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:50:24 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Gary Warner Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3C7D2CD7.3EC6417@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:00:39 -0800 Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What Version (GNOME - gnomeprint034, bonobo018) References: <3C7CF9F7.52B86A9D@askgar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Warner wrote: > Then I went to try to go GNOME, and its a mess. > > I have been working with 4.5-RELEASE as my version, and my basic > problems are that anything I try to do working with GNOME has > dependencies on packages that don't exist anymore in the 4.5 trees. > "bonobo" and "gnome-print" are the two biggest ones that come to mind. Gnome has traditionally been a mess under FreeBSD. It's also a nightmare under Linux. The problem is not so much the vast number of dependencies, but the fact that there isn't a single Gnome version. Occasionally Gnome will "release" a version, but for the most part it requires telepathy or a dogged willingness to slog through the Gnome lists to know what versions of X go with what versions of Y. It's very easy to get things out of sync. I don't use Gnome, so I can't help you much. Sigh. The most I can suggest is to update your ports tree, and use ports. > Finally my FreeBSD friend came to the house. He said, "OH! Here's your > problem! You are trying to run 4.5! You should only run even numbered > releases. The odd ones are buggy!" There's nothing wrong with the odd numbered releases. This bit of mythology comes from Linuxland, and has nothing to do with FreeBSD. I would be hesitant about x.0 releases for any project, but odd versus even release numbers is only applicable to Linux. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 11:15:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7CA37B400 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4FD7; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:15:09 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6DRXJ>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:13:52 -0800 Received: from acuson.com (bull.acuson.com [157.226.46.72]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDJNYN; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:04:49 -0800 From: Johnson David To: TheUaRT Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3C7D3037.83811619@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:15:03 -0800 Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org TheUaRT wrote: > > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. Mr. Arrogant here. Have you actually read the FM? It's a wonderful FM. It won't answer all your questions, but it's a very good start. I wasn't always arrogant. Once I was a loving person who volunteered 23 hours out of each day to volunteer answering FreeBSD questions. But my lack of sleep and lagging productivity meant that I needed another solution besides answering every question that came my way. So I decided to perform a grand and noble gesture for the newbies. I wrote a Handbook, a FAQ, and the best set of man pages for any OS yet seen. And what happened? I kept getting a thousand questions a day asking about a topics in the Handbook and FAQ. Questions like "how do I use ports?" and "how do I mount my Windows partition?" I couldn't help myself. Like the Grinch, my heart shrivelled up and I became a crusty old arrogant bastard. There is a cure for my condition. Start reading the documentation. Mr. Arrogant To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 17:45:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56D537B405 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (ppp372.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.218.118]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28037 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:45:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Paul C. Boyle" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie hostname issue. Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:46:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org  I have had problems with prior installs with sendmail. Problem being, when I add a nic card to connect to my other computer, things start to go screwy.   Right now I am woking from a fresh install of 4.5. i know when i configue the nic card sendmail is going to start doing its funky thing.  At boot time the sequence hangs at sendmail looking for hostname or could not resolve hostname.  I know it is doing this because it should. But how can I configure my machine with a name to satisfy all parties concerned.   ie.  little daemons.  My computer is my workstation with only a dial up at 33.6, using ppp.   This works for me.   I like to play cd's while i work, check email, news groups, check gkrellm for nifty info, surf of course and the all importan Setiathome. But most of all study the wokings of FreeBSD. So I want to learn Sendmail, Apache, Mysql, Squid, Jail, DNS, heck you name it I want to learn it.   What I need to know is how should I set up my machine or hostname with out a DNS server?  Or should I or could I install DNS to satisfy my Sendmail issue without being connected to the outside world? I am all ears. Another issue just came up. While I was typeing this email up I was installing kdevelop from the ports tree.  It started fine but I just got some errors. And here is the tail of the build. Any help on this would be great. gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/kdevelop/work/kdevelop-2.0.2' gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. root 03:23:39 Wed Feb 27 /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop 2.05a.0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 18:13:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E47A737B402 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mimerki (AUTH poptime) at adsl-20-121-81.chs.bellsouth.net (HELO Rozinante) (66.20.121.81) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 02:13:51 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: "Paul C. Boyle" Subject: Re: Newbie hostname issue. Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:13:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02022721134703.00331@Rozinante> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Redirected to -questions before someone yells at us for being off-topic... ;-) What I have always done in your shoes is give the box a hostname. This hostname isn't registed anywhere other than on your computer. It shouldn't be used for anything other than your internal workings. But it will make the box quit hanging to look for a hostname. I suspect here on -questions someone with a bit more expertise can actually give you a better suggestion... I've tried to install kdevelop from ports a couple of times. It hasn't worked yet for me. I have to admit that I didn't care enough to do anything about it, but now you have two reports of it not installing properly. (Similar error messages, though it's been long enough since I last tried that I cannot guarantee them to be identical.) Hope this helps, Marci On Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:46 pm, Paul C. Boyle wrote on Newbie hostname issue.: |  I have had problems with prior installs with sendmail. | Problem being, when I add a nic card to connect to my other computer, | things start to go screwy.   Right now I am woking from a fresh install of | 4.5. i know when i configue the nic card sendmail is going to start doing | its funky thing.  At boot time the sequence hangs at sendmail looking for | hostname or could not resolve hostname.  I know it is doing this because it | should. But how can I configure my machine with a name to satisfy all | parties concerned. ie.  little daemons.  My computer is my workstation with | only a dial up at 33.6, using ppp.   This works for me. | I like to play cd's while i work, check email, news groups, check gkrellm | for nifty info, surf of course and the all importan Setiathome. But most of | all study the wokings of FreeBSD. | So I want to learn Sendmail, Apache, Mysql, Squid, Jail, DNS, heck you name | it I want to learn it.   | What I need to know is how should I set up my machine or hostname with out | a DNS server?  Or should I or could I install DNS to satisfy my Sendmail | issue without being connected to the outside world? | I am all ears. | | Another issue just came up. | While I was typeing this email up I was installing kdevelop from the ports | tree.  It started fine but I just got some errors. | And here is the tail of the build. Any help on this would be great. | | gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 | gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/kdevelop/work/kdevelop-2.0.2' | gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 | *** Error code 2 | | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. | *** Error code 1 | | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. | | root | 03:23:39 | Wed Feb 27 | /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop | 2.05a.0 | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? - James Joyce, Finnegans Wake _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 18:17: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f83.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744B537B422 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:16:45 -0800 Received: from 63.100.89.35 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:16:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.100.89.35] From: "Gerardo Paredes" To: djohnson@acuson.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:16:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 02:16:45.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8126230:01C1BFFD] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org by the way RTFM in BSD stands for Read The Fine Manual, but RTFH would be better (Read The hyperFine Handbook). Mr Arrogant, you are right, newbies got to learn the Fine Handbook before they ask lame questions. >From: Johnson David >To: TheUaRT >CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: FreeBSD >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:15:03 -0800 > >TheUaRT wrote: > > > > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. > >Mr. Arrogant here. Have you actually read the FM? It's a wonderful FM. >It won't answer all your questions, but it's a very good start. > >I wasn't always arrogant. Once I was a loving person who volunteered 23 >hours out of each day to volunteer answering FreeBSD questions. But my >lack of sleep and lagging productivity meant that I needed another >solution besides answering every question that came my way. So I decided >to perform a grand and noble gesture for the newbies. I wrote a >Handbook, a FAQ, and the best set of man pages for any OS yet seen. > >And what happened? I kept getting a thousand questions a day asking >about a topics in the Handbook and FAQ. Questions like "how do I use >ports?" and "how do I mount my Windows partition?" I couldn't help >myself. Like the Grinch, my heart shrivelled up and I became a crusty >old arrogant bastard. > >There is a cure for my condition. Start reading the documentation. > >Mr. Arrogant > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 18:38:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D85D37B41E for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA279B; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:38:17 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6DVB8>; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:36:36 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-125.acuson.com [157.226.46.125]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CJVDJQ82; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:27:31 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Gerardo Paredes Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:37:46 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020228023829.7D85D37B41E@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 27 February 2002 06:16 pm, Gerardo Paredes wrote: > Mr Arrogant, you are right, newbies got to learn the Fine Handbook before > they ask lame questions. For any newbies that haven't figured it out yet, there are three fundamentals reasons for checking the documentation before you post a question. First, if you post a question with an answer readily available in the Handbook, you broadcast your lameness to the world. Yes, there will be times where you overlook something and ask a lame question, but one lame question out of ten is much better then ten lame questions out of ten. Second, the people on the ircs and mailing lists are volunteers. They don't get paid for taking the time to look up answers that you could have looked up anyway. FreeBSD Mall offers paid support plans if you wish to access tech support people that actually ARE paid to answer your questions. And finally, learning about your system is a wonderful thing. But you will never learn it if you keep insisting on being spoon fed. David (aka Mr. Arrogant) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 19: 5:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5056C37B405 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from senmonk6 (AUTH LOGIN) at unknown (HELO monk.yahoo.com) (senmonk6@64.240.52.108) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 03:04:19 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227215857.00a0e080@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: senmonk6@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:03:22 -0500 To: Johnson David From: Shaun Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020228023829.7D85D37B41E@hub.freebsd.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That was very well put. I completely agree. I also sympathize with the frustrations of the "core." I am what you might call an intermediate user, who switched from Linux. The main reason that I choose FreeBSD over the other flavors was the extensive documentation and mailing list archive. I have not yet had one thing that I needed to post to a list that I didn't find somewhere else. Much gratitude goes towards the few who run everything. Shaun Newcomer Senior Server Administrator/Webmaster Mentor High School monk@mentorhigh.com At 06:37 PM 2/27/2002 -0800, you wrote: >On Wednesday 27 February 2002 06:16 pm, Gerardo Paredes wrote: > > > Mr Arrogant, you are right, newbies got to learn the Fine Handbook before > > they ask lame questions. > >For any newbies that haven't figured it out yet, there are three fundamentals >reasons for checking the documentation before you post a question. First, if >you post a question with an answer readily available in the Handbook, you >broadcast your lameness to the world. Yes, there will be times where you >overlook something and ask a lame question, but one lame question out of ten >is much better then ten lame questions out of ten. > >Second, the people on the ircs and mailing lists are volunteers. They don't >get paid for taking the time to look up answers that you could have looked up >anyway. FreeBSD Mall offers paid support plans if you wish to access tech >support people that actually ARE paid to answer your questions. > >And finally, learning about your system is a wonderful thing. But you will >never learn it if you keep insisting on being spoon fed. > >David (aka Mr. Arrogant) > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 21: 1:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns6.icdc.com (ns6.icdc.com [208.244.152.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61E737B405 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra2000 (peco.24.voyager.icdc.com [208.244.153.27]) by ns6.icdc.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1S51Qf01712; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:01:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01c1c015$1bb24a40$2c14fea9@ultra2000> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: "TheUaRT" , References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:01:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok. I'm going to wad in here with a middle of the road response. I've read all the posts in this thread. I've been with Freebsd since Christmas of last year. It was my chose of os for my alpha server prodject(not finished yet don't ask.). Since then I've loaded it on a desktop and a laptop. I've found it to be a better os then linux which I loaded on my fileserver to act as a fileserver one time got it running and never touched agien. I think the ppl that are around it have a differnt veiw then the linux crowd and are less arrogant if anything. I like hanging out with the guys in #Bsdhelp and chating and playing quake and making friends. They have been very helpful. When I asked about why my RAID (alpha server agien) wasn't working I got a nice email from the guy that supports all that stuff and he talked to me. And at first I have to admit the response was " is it EISA? that's not supported" when I wrote back to him I showed I'd done some of my homework and read the stuff he'd wrote we had a nice conversation and I got some idea's . (reformat before trying load the os). The hand book I bought from my local computer store I thought was great. The only thing I miss in the paper hand book is an index. (older hand book new one may have index). I also bought from Amazon.com The complete Freebsd. I do computer support for a living so I know it's value to have some paper books to read in bed and on the john you may find what you need by mistake. ----- Original Message ----- From: TheUaRT To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: FreeBSD > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. > > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! > > The[UaRT] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 23:38:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B4737B417 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a109.otenet.gr [212.205.215.109]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1S7btN2013044; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:37:56 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1S45RA48344; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:05:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:05:27 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gerardo Paredes Cc: djohnson@acuson.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020228040527.GB47751@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-02-27 20:16, Gerardo Paredes wrote: > by the way RTFM in BSD stands for Read The Fine Manual, but RTFH would be > better (Read The hyperFine Handbook). > > Mr Arrogant, you are right, newbies got to learn the Fine Handbook before > they ask lame questions. I can't agree more... I had a similar conversation with a Canadian friend, last night. He was asking simple questions, in IRC. Questions that ranged from "where are the settings for my hostname" to "I managed to mess my rc.conf, now what?". After about 10-15 minutes of being asked things that were clearly frequently asked newbie questions, and trying my best to answer, and still chat with those I was on IRC for, I used the following: /msg OK, about 100% of what you asked are things that the documentation already describes. Don't msg me again, until you can provide sufficient proof that you have actually read (at least) the Handbook and the FAQ. The reply to the next msg which was a question too, was a bit worse: /msg Ignore set. Yes, I know that being a newbie on an operating system like FreeBSD, can be intimidating, annoying, hard to cope with. But I can't really tolerate the flood of questions in real time that IRC users are usually keen to ask, especially if these same questions are answered in dozens of places on FreeBSD.org and other sites and I have already provided the relevant pointers to the documentation. Call me arrogant if you wish, but when I'm on IRC, more often than not, I'm there to chat with friends. Spending 200% of my IRC time to answer things that are already answered in dozens of places, seems like a total waste of my time. And it's not like I have nine more lives to live :-P Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 0:37:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f106.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BF137B423; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:37:23 -0800 Received: from 63.100.89.35 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:37:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.100.89.35] From: "Gerardo Paredes" To: dignont@voyager.bxscience.edu Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: setting up a nameserver Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:37:23 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2002 08:37:23.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[24B06690:01C1C033] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry, that's not a newbie question, you should use -questions to ask things like that, i think this links can be help to you: http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/ - The DNS Resource Directory, there you can find pretty good "lend me a hand" kind tutorials, follow the steps on the documentation and if you still run into problems come again and ask on -questions those things that you that still keep you running against the wall. >From: Terry Dignon >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: setting up a nameserver >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:06:15 -0500 > >I have checked around, read the documentation, and even a few books >(Freebsd Unleashed, Unix System Administrators Bible) but still cannot >understand the setup of a nameserver or how to get it to interact with the >rest of the network. If someone could "lend me a hand" or point me towards >a helpful site I would be eternally grateful. > >thanks > >-- > >Terry Dignon >"Bush,George: The Greased Pig In The Field Game Of American Politics" > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 9:53:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF5237B400; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (ppp259.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.218.5]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07233; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:48:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202281748.MAA07233@alpha.vaxxine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Paul C. Boyle" To: Marcia Barrett Nice Subject: Re: Newbie hostname issue. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:49:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> <02022721134703.00331@Rozinante> In-Reply-To: <02022721134703.00331@Rozinante> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On February 27, 2002 09:13 pm, Marcia Barrett Nice wrote: > Redirected to -questions before someone yells at us for being off-topic... > ;-) > > What I have always done in your shoes is give the box a hostname. This > hostname isn't registed anywhere other than on your computer. It shouldn't > be used for anything other than your internal workings. But it will make > the box quit hanging to look for a hostname. I suspect here on -questions > someone with a bit more expertise can actually give you a better > suggestion... Thanks Marcia I found my problem. When I added the entry in the hosts file I only gave it a machine name and not a phony FQDM. So I put one in and also an alias after the phony FQDM. It works fine now at boot time. Windows habbits are hard to break. Must be plexi-glass. > > I've tried to install kdevelop from ports a couple of times. It hasn't > worked yet for me. I have to admit that I didn't care enough to do > anything about it, but now you have two reports of it not installing > properly. (Similar error messages, though it's been long enough since I > last tried that I cannot guarantee them to be identical.) Well Marcia, My 4.5 install is not what you my call a pure install. Many KDE packages were not on the cd set. All I could install from the set was the bare minimum. I had to rip kppp form the 4.4 iso. The install compained a bit but it did do it. I did this from /stand/sysinstall. I managed to download kmultimedia2 and it seems to work fine. So do the games and utilities, I think I took these from the 4.4 iso. Having tried to download kdevelop and kmymoney2 they both failed. Could it be they are dependant on something I don't have installed. BTW when I was running the 4.4 iso installation i had installed kdevleop and it seemed to work for a while. I am not a programmer so I can't really comment on its worthyness. What I would like to try is get all things new KDE and start fresh. What do you think? Should I rip everything KDE out and do a fresh install or could I install on top of what I have now? > > Hope this helps, > Marci > > On Wednesday 27 February 2002 08:46 pm, Paul C. Boyle wrote on Newbie > > hostname issue.: > |  I have had problems with prior installs with sendmail. > | Problem being, when I add a nic card to connect to my other computer, > | things start to go screwy.   Right now I am woking from a fresh install > | of 4.5. i know when i configue the nic card sendmail is going to start > | doing its funky thing.  At boot time the sequence hangs at sendmail > | looking for hostname or could not resolve hostname.  I know it is doing > | this because it should. But how can I configure my machine with a name to > | satisfy all parties concerned. ie.  little daemons.  My computer is my > | workstation with only a dial up at 33.6, using ppp.   This works for me. > | I like to play cd's while i work, check email, news groups, check gkrellm > | for nifty info, surf of course and the all importan Setiathome. But most > | of all study the wokings of FreeBSD. > | So I want to learn Sendmail, Apache, Mysql, Squid, Jail, DNS, heck you > | name it I want to learn it. > | What I need to know is how should I set up my machine or hostname with > | out a DNS server?  Or should I or could I install DNS to satisfy my > | Sendmail issue without being connected to the outside world? > | I am all ears. > | > | Another issue just came up. > | While I was typeing this email up I was installing kdevelop from the > | ports tree.  It started fine but I just got some errors. > | And here is the tail of the build. Any help on this would be great. > | > | gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > | gmake[1]: Leaving directory > | `/usr/ports/devel/kdevelop/work/kdevelop-2.0.2' gmake: *** > | [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > | *** Error code 2 > | > | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. > | *** Error code 1 > | > | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. > | *** Error code 1 > | > | Stop in /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop. > | > | root > | 03:23:39 > | Wed Feb 27 > | /usr/ports/devel/kdevelop > | 2.05a.0 > | > | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 10:19:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6114637B430 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mimerki (AUTH poptime) at adsl-20-121-81.chs.bellsouth.net (HELO Rozinante) (66.20.121.81) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 18:19:04 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: "Paul C. Boyle" Subject: Re: Newbie hostname issue. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:18:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> <02022721134703.00331@Rozinante> <200202281748.MAA07233@alpha.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <200202281748.MAA07233@alpha.vaxxine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02022813185500.18137@Rozinante> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | Windows habbits are hard to break. | Must be plexi-glass. Someone should have that for a .sig. | | Well Marcia, | My 4.5 install is not what you my call a pure install. | Many KDE packages were not on the cd set. All I could install from the set | was the bare minimum. I had to rip kppp form the 4.4 iso. The install | compained a bit but it did do it. I did this from /stand/sysinstall. | I managed to download kmultimedia2 and it seems to work fine. So do the | games and utilities, I think I took these from the 4.4 iso. Having tried | to download kdevelop and kmymoney2 they both failed. Could it be they are | dependant on something I don't have installed. BTW when I was running the | 4.4 iso installation i had installed kdevleop and it seemed to work for a | while. I am not a programmer so I can't really comment on its worthyness. | What I would like to try is get all things new KDE and start fresh. What do | you think? Should I rip everything KDE out and do a fresh install or could | I install on top of what I have now? | Is it possible that this is a problem with the package install of KDE? I believe I installed KDE from the CDs as well (it's been a while and I didn't keep notes on it). It might be worth your while to try uninstalling the packaged KDE and try installing her from the ports. Unless someone has a better solution. (I am not sure, will this also wipe KDE preferences files? Does it really matter? hmmm... I may try this later today, while I'm doing something else. If I do, I'll let you know.) Marci -- So why, pray, sign anything as long as every word, letter, penstroke, paperspace is a perfect signature of its own? - James Joyce, Finnegans Wake _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 10:48:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC2E37B402 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2FF6; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:48:16 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <17X6DZTJ>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:46:54 -0800 Received: from there (dhcp-46-125.acuson.com [157.226.46.125]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id F5L7WVPC; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:37:49 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Marcia Barrett Nice Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: Newbie hostname issue. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:48:05 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200202280145.UAA28037@alpha.vaxxine.com> <02022721134703.00331@Rozinante> <200202281748.MAA07233@alpha.vaxxine.com> In-Reply-To: <200202281748.MAA07233@alpha.vaxxine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020228184836.EEC2E37B402@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday 28 February 2002 09:49 am, Paul C. Boyle wrote: > My 4.5 install is not what you my call a pure install. > Many KDE packages were not on the cd set. All I could install from the set > was the bare minimum. I had to rip kppp form the 4.4 iso. The install > compained a bit but it did do it. I did this from /stand/sysinstall. I think this whole KDE thing will be a pain in the posterior until 4.6 gets out. Due to an unfortunate miscommunication, most KDE packages were not included in 4.5. That doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that they aren't on the official ISO images and CD sets. To get a full up-to-date install of KDE, you have two basic choices: build them from ports, or install the packages available online. Instructions on both are included in the Handbook. The current state of KDE on FreeBSD is not addressed in the Handbook or FAQ (obviously), so it would be nice if someone could put together a brief explanation of the circumstances, where the KDE packages are, then post it in a convenient spot. > What I would like to try is get all things new KDE and start fresh. What do > you think? Should I rip everything KDE out and do a fresh install or could > I install on top of what I have now? Don't install over the top! Take a look at portupgrade. It allows you to easily upgrade/reinstall existing packages and ports in place. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 18:15: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E9E37B405 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA68526; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:02:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: TheUaRT Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, TheUaRT wrote: > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. > > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! > I answered a lot of questions on IRC while I was writing my book, and tried to organize the book in the order in which new users would need the information. And it has an index. It also tries to present information so that the reader will discover how to find out what he/she doesn't know--in combination with lists of specific commands (what to type) to accomplish a specific task. There's the Handbook, the FAQ, tutorials on specific topics on the web, and two other books on FreeBSD. I don't find people on IRC arrogant--sometimes just weary at the same questions from people who want to know what to type next. But not arrogant. IRC is also not a good medium for answering (without error) questions that have multi-part answers, like "how do I upgrade my system?" Annelise (on IRC, xanne) -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 19: 6:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ssimsg01.sitespecific.net (heimdall.sitespecific.net [216.162.207.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A8137B402 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:06:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:06:12 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD Thread-Index: AcHAxuvWkQSXYCJBT7aqvJBWRDbWSgABhZMg From: "Robert C. Blaylock" To: "Annelise Anderson" , "TheUaRT" Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree with TheUart. I have just sat back and watched for the last few = months and it seems like there are a lot of people that dont want to be = bothered with "simple" questions while they are chating with there = friends in IRC. If people dont want to be bothered by simple questions = then why dont they just use a private room? For myself I prefer to = RTFM... but if people are asking questions isnt that a good thing? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Annelise Anderson [mailto:andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:03 PM To: TheUaRT Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, TheUaRT wrote: > I am a newbie to FreeBSD (2nd attempt) but not to computers. > I've always stood for people helping others learn current/new > technologies to it's maximum potential... But it seems now > a days that people keep telling you to RTFM. What a concept. > It would be nice if people weren't so arrogant. Specially on IRC. >=20 > There's my 2 cents. Enjoy! >=20 I answered a lot of questions on IRC while I was writing my book, and tried to organize the book in the order in which new users would need the information. And it has an index. It also tries to present information so that the reader will discover how to find out what he/she doesn't know--in combination with lists of specific commands (what to type) to accomplish a specific task. There's the Handbook, the FAQ, tutorials on specific topics on the web, and two other books on FreeBSD. I don't find people on IRC arrogant--sometimes just weary at the same questions from people who want to know what to type next. But not arrogant. IRC is also not a good medium for answering (without error) questions that have multi-part answers, like "how do I upgrade my system?" Annelise (on IRC, xanne) --=20 Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/=09 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 19:20:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B5537B400 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from scott1.nyc.rr.com (24-168-24-239.nyc.rr.com [24.168.24.239]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with ESMTP id g213JBlu015841; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:19:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020228221053.00c5eec8@pop-server.nyc.rr.com> X-Sender: scottro@pop-server.nyc.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:20:42 -0500 To: "Robert C. Blaylock" , "Annelise Anderson" , "TheUaRT" From: Scott Subject: RE: FreeBSD Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 19:06 2002/02/28 -0800, Robert C. Blaylock wrote: >I agree with TheUart. I have just sat back and watched for the last few >months and it seems like there are a lot of people that dont want to be >bothered with "simple" questions while they are chating with there friends >in IRC. If people dont want to be bothered by simple questions then why >dont they just use a private room? For myself I prefer to RTFM... but if >people are asking questions isnt that a good thing? I think that as anything becomes more popular, it gains an influx of neophyte's---telling them to buy Ms. Anderson's book is probably a bit harsh. Sometimes, it isn't laziness--it's simple ignorance (not meant in a derogatory way) People newer to computers, (this could go for MS systems as well) tend to simply ask for help. A perfect example is a relatively new Linux distribution, Gentoo Linux. At first, questions on the mailing list were almost entirely from people who were obviously somewhat experienced--as the distro has gained in popularity, one now sees frequent questions that are easily found in the faq or elsewhere on their website. It's not laziness on their part--one could say it's stupidity, but that's quite harsh. We all learn one step at a time, and sometimes, the neophyte doesn't realize what is obvious to someone who has played with computers awhile--that the answer is quite possibly relatively easy to find. Actually, if they've read Ms. Anderson's book, she warns that asking on IRC can lead to being insulted. (She phrases it a little more eloquently, IIRC). :) However, I certainly understand Mr. Arrogant's :) point of view. After spending a good deal of time writing a faq for a linux list that is aimed towards newbies, and seeing a post of "How do I..." I sometimes simply answer When you joined this list, you received a welcome message. It had a link to a faq, where your question is answered. In case you forgot to save the welcome message, the faq is at Additionally, after 30 minutes of trying to teach my wife how to retrieve her voice messages from her cell phone, I learned that there are times when telling someone, even in a nice way (honest, I was nice) to RTFM can be a Very Bad Thing (TM) Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 28 20:25: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns6.icdc.com (ns6.icdc.com [208.244.152.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B67537B400 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ultra2000 (peco.94.galaxy.icdc.com [208.244.152.222]) by ns6.icdc.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g214Orf06773; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bf01c1c0d9$2c5097c0$2c14fea9@ultra2000> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: "freebsd.org" , "Robert C. Blaylock" References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:23:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe that the answer lies into what is asked, and how much homework was done. if someone asks "how do I recomplie my kernal". well there is a one page answer to that in the manual. It goes in to the 5 or 6 things to type to get it done and over with but not much into editing. If someone says "I edit and complied my kernel and my xyz doesn't work but the device is in there" well then you get into trouble shooting and more advance answers. Even if the new person has trouble with some unix commands like rm -fr folder that's a really great tool but recursive maybe a word they glance over at first and not understand and believe they'll get it later ( I speak from expericence on that one). Another reson may be lack or resources. If you know something is in a book and you're just going to retype whats in the book but don't have the book in front of you. What's easier? We know this is a none paying job as it is. So hey you go get the book and read what I would have typed. "I don't compile a kernel everyday I know where the cook book commands are when I need them why should you be any differnt? if you get the book. The same book I use your problems are solved." ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Blaylock To: Annelise Anderson ; TheUaRT Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: RE: FreeBSD > I agree with TheUart. I have just sat back and watched for the last few months and it seems like there are a lot of people that dont want to be bothered with "simple" questions while they are chating with there friends in IRC. If people dont want to be bothered by simple questions then why dont they just use a private room? For myself I prefer to RTFM... but if people are asking questions isnt that a good thing? > > Rob > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 1 10: 1:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hercules.worldgatein.com (unassigned-26-64-109-203.worldgatein.com [203.109.64.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5243C37B402; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rivendell.worldgatein.net (interoffice.worldgatein.com [203.109.64.31]) by hercules.worldgatein.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD13C1005218; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:22:57 +0530 (IST) Received: by rivendell.worldgatein.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 02EAA32609; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:31:07 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:31:07 +0530 From: Devdas Bhagat To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: setting up a nameserver Message-ID: <20020301233107.K20456@rivendell.worldgatein.net> Reply-To: Devdas Bhagat Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20020227130615.A51315@voyager.bxscience.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020227130615.A51315@voyager.bxscience.edu>; from dignont@voyager.bxscience.edu on Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 01:06:15PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27/02/02 13:06 -0500, Terry Dignon wrote: > I have checked around, read the documentation, and even a few books > (Freebsd Unleashed, Unix System Administrators Bible) but still cannot > understand the setup of a nameserver or how to get it to interact with > the rest of the network. If someone could "lend me a hand" or point me > towards a helpful site I would be eternally grateful. Wrong list, redirecting to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Basically, a nameserver is a piece of software that implements DNS as defined in its rfcs. DNS == Name to ip address mapping. I'll deal with BIND here because I know it better than I know djbdns (which I don't know at all yet). Bind has its primary config file, usually in /etc/named.conf You will want to use the options: directory "string"; the string is the location where bind will find its per zone files. allow-recursion { your netblocks; }; allow-transfer { your.secondary.server.ips; }; Then you have the keyword "zone" This tells bind what zone is being referred to. zone "foobar.com" { type master; file "foobar.com.forward"; }; This tells bind that for stuff about foobar.com, we are the master (primary) server. The details for foobar.com are in the file foobar.com.forward (which will have an absolute path as string/foobar.com./forward). In this file, you need a SOA record (Statement Of Authority). @ 86400 IN SOA foobar.com hostmaster.foobar.com ( 42 28800 14400 36000 86400 ) Generic domain TTL Record_class record_type zone zone_contact (dns paramters) @ TTL IN NS ns1 ns1 TTL IN A ip.add.re.ss Similarly, you will have other records for Mail eXchangers, other hosts, multiple names for the same host(CNAME). This will be given in the ORA, DNS and BIND book (the cricket book, 3rd edition). To use the DNS servers, just have systems using these servers as DNS servers (/etc/resolv.conf for unix systems). Devdas Bhagat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 1 16:32:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f22.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F3A37B400 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:32:18 -0800 Received: from 67.195.25.59 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:32:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.195.25.59] From: "Seamus Roche" To: gar@askgar.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What Version (GNOME - gnomeprint034, bonobo018) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:32:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 00:32:18.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5603E50:01C1C181] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Gary, I am new to FreeBSD too. I just upgraded from 4.3 STABLE to 4.5 STABLE this past week and yesterday successfully installed GNOME and Enlightenment. However I used Annelise Anderson's FreeBSD An Open Source Operating System For Your Personal Computer, which has very good directions about which packages to add for GNOME to work. Also, since I am stuck with only a dial up at the moment, I used the FreeBSD 4.5 CD set from bsdmall. This has one CD with the Installation another for the fixit and two more with additional packages. It was on these discs that I found the packages for configuring the GNOME. This is not the way for everyone I understand and in the future I plan to config packages and ports from the internet, but for like $60 both the book and the CDs I'm sure have saved me some hours. You might want to check them out. Next I get to configure fbsd to play nice with the new external modem. Then on to some Python development... Regards, _Seamus >From: Gary Warner >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org >Subject: What Version (GNOME - gnomeprint034, bonobo018) >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:23:35 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.136.204.119] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE4645C100CB4004388ED888CC775E2C0; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:27:00 -0800 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18])by >mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 8D3C4557D5; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 >07:26:44 -0800 (PST)(envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id C316037B41A; Wed, >27 Feb 2002 07:26:42 -0800 (PST) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid 244CB2E808A; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:42 -0800 (PST) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:41 >-0800 >Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net >[207.69.200.57])by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F4837B400for >; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) >Received: from user-2injqau.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.233.94] >helo=askgar.com)by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1)id >16g5yS-0004SZ-00for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:26:33 >-0500 >From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:27:35 -0800 >Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Message-ID: <3C7CF9F7.52B86A9D@askgar.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >List-ID: >List-Archive: (Web Archive) >List-Help: (List Instructions) >List-Subscribe: > >List-Unsubscribe: > >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > >I'm not new to Unix, but I'm definitely new to FreeBSD. > >I have spent somewhere upwards of 20 hours "messing with" a new FreeBSD >box. I used my Windows box to make the 2 disk boot start, and my cable >modem has done an admirable job of sucking down gigs and gigs of aborted >attempts at packages and ports. > >I got through configuring my XFree86, which took some time because I >didn't know I needed the Mach64 version of the server, but that's done. >The lesson I learned in that portion of the FreeBSD adventure was "The >Handbook is Your Friend. Read the Handbook". > >Then I went to try to go GNOME, and its a mess. > >I have been working with 4.5-RELEASE as my version, and my basic >problems are that anything I try to do working with GNOME has >dependencies on packages that don't exist anymore in the 4.5 trees. >"bonobo" and "gnome-print" are the two biggest ones that come to mind. > >For instance, if you head over to: >http://www.freebsd.org/ports/gnome.html > >you will see that many things on the page require >"gnome-print-0.34" >"bonobo-1.0.18" > >if you flip over to: >http://www.freebsd.org/ports/print.html#gnomeprint-0.34 > >you can click on "sources" to find out where to get gnomeprint, and >you'll see that all the sources list "gnome-print-0.35.tar.gz" > >In the various ftp#.freebsd.org sites, you will find that there are >sym-links to "gnome-print-0.34.tgz", but guess what? They are sym-links >to dead air! No such file! > >(Examples: >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4.5-release/gnome/gnomeprint-0.34.tgz > >(well....as I check my "Examples" I see that bonobo-1.0.18.tgz is >available now. hmmmph)) > > >My FreeBSD friends encouraged me not to do packages, but to do ports, so >I retrieved the entire ports.tgz (taking everything, lest I omit >something critical), and following their instructions do my "make && >make install" at various places in the gnome section of the ports tree. > >They all fail. They are all looking for gnome-print 0.34 and >bonobo1.0.18, which as far as I can tell, DO NOT EXIST. > >Finally my FreeBSD friend came to the house. He said, "OH! Here's your >problem! You are trying to run 4.5! You should only run even numbered >releases. The odd ones are buggy!" > >When I emailed the FreeBSD GNOME people, I got the reply: > > There was a problem with posting certain packages to the FTP sites. > This is currently being investigated. However, if you've found >updated > packages, FTP them down manually, then pkg_add them from disk > >------------- >Well, I haven't found PACKAGES -- I've found '.tar.gz' files, which >can't be pkg_add'ed. > >So, what does this newbie do? Should I listen to my friends advice and >go back to 4.4?? > >Advice welcome, > >_-_ >gar the newbie > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 1 19:10:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D486237B400 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g223A0g72511 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200203020310.g223A0g72511@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 9:33:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BFD37B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lymond.lvcm.com (cm238.47.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.47.238]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id AAS64202; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dlm@localhost) by lymond.lvcm.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g22HWqN73363 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:32:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:32:51 -0800 From: Dale Morris To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: licq gnomeicu ?? Message-ID: <20020302093251.A72890@lymond.lvcm.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed gnome-icu and licq, yet seem to have problems with them. I can't receive chat requests, nor can I send chat requests in licq. I know this has something to do with security, but don't really know what to do to change it. could someone point me in the right direction? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 11:37: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe68.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696C537B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:37:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.41.159.196] From: "Shawn Halloran" To: "freebsd-newbie" Subject: make: fatal errors encountered Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:44:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1C1DF.9847E1C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 19:37:06.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2BBA3C0:01C1C221] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1C1DF.9847E1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to install the type 1 fonts per the instructions in the Handbo= ok, and I keep getting an error. 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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1C1DF.9847E1C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 11:47: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B6DB37B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20062 invoked by uid 535); 2 Mar 2002 12:47:03 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 1.801465 secs); 03/02/2002 12:47:01 Received: from unknown (HELO tim2) (216.166.138.76) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 12:46:59 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020302124131.00a4b3d0@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:49:08 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Tim Uckun Subject: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20020302093251.A72890@lymond.lvcm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently installed freebsd 4.5. For various reasons I just let the install sit for a few weeks. I had turned off everything except ssh (no other services running). When I tried to do something the other day I noticed that vi was not working properly. The screen was all messed up and it would not show the text file I was working on (on the console text mode). I thought maybe VIM would work better so I did a cvsup and then did a make install on VIM. The install went OK but I still could not edit files because the screen was fscked up vim. So I did the windows thing and rebooted hoping that would somehow dislodge whatever gremlins were lurking around the system. Now I can't log in, not only that but seems to hang up starting the inetd stuff (I think). I suppose I might have forgotten the password but I doubt it. So two questions. 1) I am supposing that I will have to get into single user mode somehow and change the password is that right? 2) How can I find out if I have been hacked somehow? This is what I suspect so turned off the machine right away. If have been hacked I will have to reinstall. ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 18:42:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C54F37B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a174.otenet.gr [212.205.215.174]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g232gHou000048; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:42:18 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g232gF270477; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:42:15 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:42:15 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Shawn Halloran Cc: freebsd-newbie Subject: Re: make: fatal errors encountered Message-ID: <20020303024215.GA69434@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-03-02 11:44, Shawn Halloran wrote: > I'm trying to install the type 1 fonts per the instructions in the Handbook, and I keep getting an error. I'm not sure how I should correct the problem. > > >From root, as su, I type: > > # cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/urwfonts > # make install clean > > I receive the following error report: > > "/etc/make.conf", Line 1: need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > How do I correct this problem?? What do the first few lines of /etc/make.conf include? The error message indicates that there is something wrong with the very first line of your /etc/make.conf file. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 19:27:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ED8137B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from jmdupx (AUTH login) at ppp-225-0-249.friaco.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO jmdoliv) (jmdupx@80.225.0.249) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:27:33 -0000 From: jmdupx@yahoo.com To: Tim Uckun Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 03:24:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3C819788.16419.12FB4C84@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20020302124131.00a4b3d0@mail.diligence.com> References: <20020302093251.A72890@lymond.lvcm.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org looks to me like perfect symptoms of a dying hard-drive, but a virus attack would have much the same visible effect usually Mark jmdupx_@_yahoo.com On 2 Mar 2002, at 12:49, Tim Uckun wrote: I recently installed freebsd 4.5. For various reasons I just let the install sit for a few weeks. I had turned off everything except ssh (no other services running). When I tried to do something the other day I noticed that vi was not working properly. The screen was all messed up and it would not show the text file I was working on (on the console text mode). I thought maybe VIM would work better so I did a cvsup and then did a make install on VIM. The install went OK but I still could not edit files because the screen was fscked up vim. So I did the windows thing and rebooted hoping that would somehow dislodge whatever gremlins were lurking around the system. Now I can't log in, not only that but seems to hang up starting the inetd stuff (I think). I suppose I might have forgotten the password but I doubt it. So two questions. 1) I am supposing that I will have to get into single user mode somehow and change the password is that right? 2) How can I find out if I have been hacked somehow? This is what I suspect so turned off the machine right away. If have been hacked I will have to reinstall. ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 19:47:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44C2137B402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22863 invoked by uid 535); 2 Mar 2002 20:47:31 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.057661 secs); 03/02/2002 20:47:31 Received: from unknown (HELO tim2) (216.166.138.76) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 20:47:31 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020302204519.00a4b2f8@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:49:43 -0800 To: jmdupx@yahoo.com From: Tim Uckun Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C819788.16419.12FB4C84@localhost> References: <4.2.0.58.20020302124131.00a4b3d0@mail.diligence.com> <20020302093251.A72890@lymond.lvcm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:24 AM 3/3/2002 +0000, jmdupx@yahoo.com wrote: >looks to me like perfect symptoms of a dying hard-drive, but a >virus attack would have much the same visible effect usually Well I went into single mode and tried to mount the drives. It said I needed to fsck which was odd because I had shut it down properly. I did an fsck and them mounted the dirves, I changed the root password and the regular users passwd. I ran wipw to make sure no weird accounts were there. I installed cehckrootkit (or something like that) and ran it, it found no root kits. I did an lsof and nothing weird is listening on any port. I don't think I could have gotten a virus because I don't check mail on it except via mutt and I haven't installed anything on it that was not in ports. Is there anything else I need to check? ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 21:10:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [216.187.106.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2337B417; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dan@localhost) by m20.unixathome.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g235AGS95547; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:10:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:10:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203030510.g235AGS95547@m20.unixathome.org> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2002-02-10 - 2002-03-02 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 23-Feb : PostgreSQL 7.2 upgrade and crypto A few small traps for you to avoid http://freebsddiary.org/postgresql-7.2.php?2 16-Feb : ERROR: version of config(8) does not match kernel! What happens if you let source get out of hand http://freebsddiary.org/config.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ - the place for ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 2 23:22:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from diligence.com (diligence.com [216.166.138.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A2F237B417 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25615 invoked by uid 535); 3 Mar 2002 00:22:13 -0700 Received: from tim@diligence.com by pdc.diligence.com with qmail-scanner-0.94 (. Clean. Processed in 0.518405 secs); 03/03/2002 00:22:12 Received: from unknown (HELO tim2) (216.166.138.76) by pdc.diligence.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 00:22:11 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020303001942.00a570a8@mail.diligence.com> X-Sender: tuckun@mail.diligence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:24:23 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Uckun Subject: Re: Have I been hacked? In-Reply-To: <20020303042322.Q330-100000@kmart.ks.palfreman.com> References: <3C819788.16419.12FB4C84@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >One of the thing's I have found really hard with FreeBSD coming from >Linux is how hard the console settings are. With Linux everythign just >works and you never even think about console settings. Here backspace >and delete seeem to do exactly the same thing no matter what stty >command you use - e.g stty erase anythingatall -a nd no change at all to >them both being backspaces. I tend to agree. Although this specific problem has gone away (perhaps due to fsck) I still have some fiddling to do apparently. The arrow keys don't work like I expect in vim. >I don't know if you have been cracked or not. If you think it possible >why not just rebuild the machine? As yuo say, there isn't anything on >it. I thought of it and I still might. I did install some stuff later and I did write some scripts and made some tweaks. I guess I am reluctant to lose all that. At this point I want to resist the temptation for a re-install because I have the debian CD handy and I would have to reinstall freebsd off the net. I want to give freebsd a full and fair try first. ---------------------------------------------- Tim Uckun Mobile Intelligence Unit. ---------------------------------------------- "There are some who call me TIM?" ---------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message